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Public Session PUBLIC SESSION MINUTES OF ORAL EVIDENCE taken before HIGH SPEED RAIL COMMITTEE On the HIGH SPEED RAIL (LONDON – WEST MIDLANDS) BILL Wednesday, 21 October 2015 (Morning) In Committee Room 5 PRESENT: Mr Robert Syms (Chair) Mr Mark Hendrick Sir Peter Bottomley Mr Henry Bellingham Geoffrey Clifton-Brown Mr David Crausby _____________ IN ATTENDANCE Mr Timothy Mould QC, Counsel, Department for Transport Witnesses: Mr Andrew Boniface Mr Charlie Clare Ms Belinda Naylor Ms Natalie Merry Ms Edi Smockum Mr Joe Hodges Mr Tim Smart, International Director for High Speed Rail, CH2M Hill _____________ IN PUBLIC SESSION INDEX Subject Page Presentation by the Promoter 3 Andrew John Boniface Submissions by Mr Boniface 7 Response by Mr Mould 17 Belinda Naylor, Charlie Clare, et al. Submissions by Mr C lare 22 Evidence of Ms Merry 26 Ms Merry, cross-examined by Mr Mould 27 Further submissions by Ms C lare 28 Submissions by Ms Naylor 30 Further submissions by Ms C lare 31 Response from Mr Mould 32 Mr Smart, examined by Mr Mould 38 Mr Smart, cross-examined by Mr Mould 47 Closing submissions by Ms Clare 55 Steeple C laydon Parish Council Submissions by Ms Smockum 56 Evidence of Mr Hodges 59 Response from Mr Mould 61 2 (At 09.30) 1. CHAIR: Order, order. Welcome. Good morning to the HS2 Select Committee. Before we start on you, Mr Boniface, I think we’ll have another go with the fly-through since the Department for Transport spent a fortune on doing it. Roughly where are we now? 2. MR MOULD QC (DfT): Five minutes in. Right, so we’re coming in to Buckinghamshire from the north. 3. CHAIR: Right. Good. 4. MR MOULD QC (DfT) : Co uld so meo ne te ll me whe n it ge ts to Chetwode? I’ll start speaking when we get to Chetwode. We’re now over Chetwode. If we can just stop here. The main elements of the settlement of Chetwode are off to the left, that is to say to the east or the north of the railway line, depending on your favoured point of orientation. And we can see Manthorn Farm. The buildings of that farmstead are being pointed at now. The hermitage, which is a listed building that features in the petitions, is being pointed at now. That’s Mrs Wiltshire’s property, I believe. And you can see clearly the line of the former Great Central Railway running at this point just to the south of the HS2 trace, which is, as you will be hearing and may already know, an area that is being brought into Bill limits in order to enable significant landscape screen planting to be provided within that area. So if we carry on. 5. MR BELLINGHAM: Where’s the church? 6. MR MOULD QC (DfT): Oh, we’ll have to go back a little bit. 7. MR BELLINGHAM: Okay. 8. MR MOULD QC (DfT): The church is off to the left. I’m not sure we’ll pick it up very clearly. If we just carry on a touch further. You can’t really see it very clearly but if you just stop there it’s broadly in this area here, the church. And there are premises along this road here. You can just see to the south of this belt of trees, those are premises that are affected by noise. And then, as you will recall from your visit to Chetwode, there are some scattered properties in and around the hamlet which we’ll be hearing about later. So that’s essentially the Chetwode area. And, as you will recall, 3 there are some even further scattered properties to the south of the railway line. I’ve pointed out Manthorn Farm but there are other properties which are mentioned in dispatches, as it were, to the south of the line. 9. MR CLIFTON-BROWN: What are those white lines by the side of the trace? 10. MR MOULD QC (DfT): These lines here? 11. MR CLIFTON-BROWN : Yes. 12. MR MOULD QC (DfT): I think they’re probably a cartographical feature so they won’t actually appear on the ground when the railway has been constructed. 13. SIR PETER BOTTOMLEY: Presumably there’s a barrier somewhere. 14. MR MOULD QC (DfT): There’s a barrier running, as you can see, starting at this point running eastwards along the north side of the trace. And the proposal, following the noise mitigation review which you’ll be hearing about later which was reported publically at the end of last week, the noise barrier on the north side of the railway as it passes beyond Chetwode is going to be increased and lengthened to a 5 metre barrier so as to increase the noise mitigation as the line passes through this area. But more of that later on. 15. CHAIR: Shall we go a little bit further? I think some of the lines are Bill limits. 16. MR MOULD QC (DfT): There are fence lines as well, aren’t there? We come towards Twyford which is coming into view on the south side of the railway. You can clearly see the line of the old Great Central Railway all the way through here. I should perhaps just point out that if we stop now that we can see the settlement of Twyford to the south. As you’ll be hearing later, the alignment here was… during the development of the scheme prior to the deposit of the Bill, the line was moved away from Twyford. One of the issues raised, I think, was whether it was moved far enough. But, just for information, this represents the maximum curvature consistent with a 360 mph operational speed. So that’s just worth pointing that out, what you see in front of you. I think it was always going to be to the north of the old railway alignment but it was closer to the settlement than is currently shown. That was part of the route development prior to the deposit of the Bill. 4 17. And you can see here, as we saw with Chetwode, there’s quite a substantial series of false cuttings of earthworks that are proposed on the south side of the line between the HS2 trace and the planted former line of the Great Central Railway which is where the cursor is pointing now. 18. And then if we carry on to the now relatively familiar sight of the infrastructure maintenance depot just in the quadrant to the north-east of the railway and the East West Line. The former sustainable placement area. The Grebe Lake to the south. School Hill just up there. 19. Can I just go back actually? Sorry, there is one feature I ought to just point out to you. If you just go back a bit further. As we approach the depot, you’ll see, if we stop now, this crossing, this bridge, is West Street. That’s one of three existing roads connecting Twyford and other lands to the south with Steeple Claydon and, further afield, Buckingham to the north. So West Street. And, just beyond it, Perry Hill which you’ll recall from yesterday. And then beyond the East West Line where we stopped a few moments ago, School Hill. 20. And the sequence of works to these bridges under the Bill scheme is as follows. The Bill provides that two of the three crossings will remain open to vehicles throughout the construction. But what we do is we close West Street for about 18 months, early in the construction phase, so that we can take a bridge over the new railway there. Perry Hill and School Hill remain open during that period. And then, having completed the works to reconnect West Street, we then close School Hill. So that’s the sequence. So Perry Hill remains open throughout. West Street is closed initially for a period of 18 months. O nce that’s been completed and re-opened then we close School Hill so that the bridge over School Hill can be constructed. So that’s relevant to later on today. 21. So if we carry on then. Calvert Green coming into view to the south of the line here. And you’ll recall our proposal for the FCC sidings under the AP4 scheme just to east or to the north of the trace. And then we have the old brickworks areas, the landfill sites to the south. Sheephouse Wood just to the north of the east of the line here. And the alternative FCC’s proposal for the relocation of the sidings just broadly in the area beyond the balancing pond on the eastern side. There’s the energy for waste plant site coming in to view. And then we carry on through the countryside down towards 5 Aylesbury. 22. We’re now coming through the area with Waddesdon to the south; Quainton to the north. I think those two parish councils are programmed to be before the Committee next week, if I remember rightly. 23. CHAIR: Oka y. 24. MR MOULD QC (DfT): And here just a foretaste: you can see Quainton just to the east here and this is the area which is the subject of a debate about taking Station Road over the railway line which you’ll hear more about next week. 25. And Aylesbury is just now coming into view. And I’m conscious that Mr Boniface lives in Aylesbury, so I’ll just take you up to that. 26. SIR PETER BOTTOMLEY: If you spot the Thame Viaduct you might just point it out to us.
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