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Monday Volume 634 15 January 2018 No. 78 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Monday 15 January 2018 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2018 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 589 15 JANUARY 2018 590 organisations that can best support them if they are House of Commons suffering from loneliness or need other additional help. May I take this opportunity to thank the Royal British Monday 15 January 2018 Legion—at Leigh-on-Sea and at so many other branches across the country—which continues to do so much for our veterans, day in and day out? The House met at half-past Two o’clock Carol Monaghan (Glasgow North West) (SNP): The PRAYERS armed forces covenant is currently more of a statement of intent than a statement of action, and it does not [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] guarantee the support that serving personnel and veterans require. Does the Secretary of State agree that putting an armed forces representative body on a statutory Oral Answers to Questions footing would be a bold commitment to ensure proper representation of personnel and veterans? Gavin Williamson: What we have done is to create the DEFENCE veterans board. It was previously co-chaired by my right hon. Friend the Member for Ashford (Damian The Secretary of State was asked— Green) and me, and it will now be co-chaired by me and the Minister for the Cabinet Office. We have found that Armed Forces Covenant the feedback about what we have been doing and trying to achieve in creating the board has been very positive. 1. Mary Creagh (Wakefield) (Lab): Whether he has This is about not just the Ministry of Defence, but every plans to strengthen the armed forces covenant. [903255] Department, every local authority in the country and businesses helping and supporting our veterans and our 5. Sir David Amess (Southend West) (Con): What service personnel. progress he has made on establishing an armed forces covenant and veterans board. [903259] Dr Andrew Murrison (South West Wiltshire) (Con): Housing regularly tops the list of concerns expressed by The Secretary of State for Defence (Gavin Williamson): the Army Families Federation, as my right hon. Friend The Ministry of Defence published the armed forces will know.Since 2014, CarillionAmey has been responsible covenant annual report in December 2017, which outlined for 50,000 service homes, and its website boasts that the progress made to strengthen the covenant. Notable 1,500 calls are taken from concerned service families achievements include the establishment of a new ministerial every day. What will he do, given that Carillion is about covenant and veterans board, which had its first meeting to collapse, to ensure that those calls are responded to in October 2017. The next ministerial covenant and appropriately in the immediate term and that service veterans board meeting is due in the spring. housing is dealt with in the longer term? Mary Creagh: I thank the Secretary of State for that Gavin Williamson: I thank my hon. Friend for his reply.Before Christmas,I visited the Community Awareness question. There were some problems, and the Under- Project in Wakefield, and many of its homeless clients are Secretary of State for Defence, my right hon. Friend the former armed services personnel. The Veterans Association Member for Bournemouth East (Mr Ellwood), has UK estimates that there are 13,000 homeless veterans. done an awful lot of work with CarillionAmey to tackle They are guaranteed priority access to social housing these issues. We will be making every effort to ensure under the armed forces covenant, but it is impossible to that the accommodation provided by the partners with know that unless they are counted in the census. Will he which we work and from which our service personnel commit—here, today—to count armed forces personnel benefit is of the highest standards. and veterans in the census, as recommended by the Office for National Statistics? Nia Griffith (Llanelli) (Lab): Housing for our armed Gavin Williamson: I thank the hon. Lady for highlighting forces families is indeed an important part of the covenant. that, and I assure her that, yes, we will do so. I recognise that CarillionAmey is a separate entity from the parent company, Carillion, but, given the concerns Sir David Amess: Will my right hon. Friend tell the about its capacity and performance and today’s worrying House what his Department is doing to support wonderful news, what contingency plans does the Minister have in local charities, such as the Leigh-on-Sea branch of the the event of unforeseen knock-on effects on armed Royal British Legion and Help for Heroes, in helping forces housing? veterans to tackle isolation and loneliness? Gavin Williamson: I assure the House that we have Gavin Williamson: The point my hon. Friend raises is been monitoring the situation closely and working with very valuable. We have to be reaching out to so many our industrial partners. There will be a Cobra meeting veterans, who have given so much to our country over later today to discuss addressing some of the most so many years, and the work of Help for Heroes and the immediate issues, and the Under-Secretary of State Leigh-on-Sea branch of the Royal British Legion is for Defence, my right hon. Friend the Member for absolutely pivotal to that. Wehave recently seen investment Bournemouth East, will do what he can, working with of £2 million to create the veterans’ gateway, which is Amey and the separate business, to make sure that there to make sure that veterans are signposted to the standards are driven up and no one notices a fall in charities, support organisations and of course Government service. 591 Oral Answers 15 JANUARY 2018 Oral Answers 592 Defence Industry Gavin Williamson: The refresh has broadly been welcomed by industry. I am sure that it will be followed by further refreshes, and we will be happy to look at 2. Chris Green (Bolton West) (Con): What steps his different options. Department is taking to increase defence exports and protect defence industry jobs. [903256] Andrew Percy (Brigg and Goole) (Con): One way to support defence exports is to make more of the “Five Eyes” 13. Dan Carden (Liverpool, Walton) (Lab): What relationship and the sharing of platforms. A great way steps he is taking to support the defence industry. to do that would be to have three, or perhaps four of the [903267] “Five Eyes” powers operating the same platforms, potentially on the same frigates. Will my right hon. 16. Stephen Morgan (Portsmouth South) (Lab): What Friend assure me that every effort will be made at the steps he is taking to support the defence industry. top of Government to support Type 26 exports? [903270] Gavin Williamson: My hon. Friend makes an important The Secretary of State for Defence (Gavin Williamson): point about exploiting the “Five Eyes” relationship in The strategic defence and security review created a terms of defence exports. I have raised that with my national security objective to promote our prosperity, Australian and Canadian counterparts. We need to supporting a thriving and competitive defence sector. create a platform that uses not just British products, but Wehave now published our national shipbuilding strategy Canadian and Australian products, to encourage them and refreshed defence industrial policy; industry has to purchase the platform. welcomed both. Exports are now also a defence core task, and I was delighted last month to sign the biggest Mr Stephen Hepburn (Jarrow) (Lab): In any defence Typhoon order in a decade, worth £6 billion. contract, what conditions do the Government put in to ensure the use of British labour, new apprenticeships Chris Green: Our NATO allies should be living up to and British components? their commitment to spend 2% of gross domestic product on defence, including 20% of defence expenditure being Gavin Williamson: The Ministry of Defence has created on major equipment, as agreed at the 2014 NATO 20,000 apprenticeship places in the past few years. Wales summit. Does my right hon. Friend agree that, if Everything we do in our negotiations with firms, both all members of NATO lived up to their commitments, UK based and international, aims to bring as much there would be a boost to the British defence manufacturing work content as possible into the United Kingdom. sector and therefore to high-skilled British jobs? Jeremy Quin (Horsham) (Con): Will my right hon. Gavin Williamson: My hon. Friend makes a valuable Friend welcome the often innovative work done in this point. He is right that, if everyone lived up their field by smaller UK companies? Does he agree that they commitments on NATO spending and capital equipment, have a valuable role to play in procurement? Britain could be a major beneficiary. I have made that point repeatedly to NATO Defence Ministers. It is Gavin Williamson: We need to work out how to bring about making sure that we have the right product on more small and medium-sized businesses into the MOD offer, so that we can sell it around the globe. That is supply chain. Sterling work has been done in the past something we in this country can be proud of as we few years, but we have to double down on that and continue to make significant and important deals across make sure that more small and mid-sized businesses the globe. benefit from MOD contracts. Dan Carden: Will the Secretary of State confirm that, Emma Hardy (Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle) by 2020, 20% of our defence budget is set to be spent in (Lab): As the Defence Secretary will know,the Government the United States, not supporting UK jobs in design, recently signed a letter of intent with the Qatari Government engineering and manufacturing? Will he look again at for six new Hawk aircraft, but workers at the BAE defence procurement policy, which currently excludes Brough plant say that, even if that deal goes through, social, economic and employment policies? there will still have to be a headcount reduction in line with future aircraft production rates.