Minutes Have Been Seen by the Administration) by Bills Committee on Chief Executive Election (Amendment) Bill 2010 and Legislative Council (Amendment) Bill 2010

立法會 Legislative Council

Ref : CB2/BC/3/10 LC Paper No. CB(2)947/11-12 (These minutes have been seen by the Administration) by Bills Committee on Chief Executive Election (Amendment) Bill 2010 and Legislative Council (Amendment) Bill 2010

Minutes of the third meeting held on Saturday, 15 January 2011 from 9:00 am to 1:00 pm and 2:30 pm to 5:00 pm in the Chamber of the Legislative Council Building

Members : Hon TAM Yiu-chung, GBS, JP (Chairman) present Hon Jeffrey LAM Kin-fung, SBS, JP (Deputy Chairman) Hon Albert HO Chun-yan Ir Dr Hon Raymond HO Chung-tai, SBS, S.B.St.J., JP Dr Hon Margaret NG Hon CHEUNG Man-kwong Hon Mrs Sophie LEUNG LAU Yau-fun, GBS, JP Hon WONG Yung-kan, SBS, JP Hon LAU Kong-wah, JP Hon Miriam LAU Kin-yee, GBS, JP Hon Emily LAU Wai-hing, JP Hon Andrew CHENG Kar-foo Hon Abraham SHEK Lai-him, SBS, JP Hon Audrey EU Yuet-mee, SC, JP Hon Vincent FANG Kang, SBS, JP Hon LEE Wing-tat Hon CHEUNG Hok-ming, GBS, JP Hon WONG Ting-kwong, BBS, JP Hon CHIM Pui-chung Prof Hon Patrick LAU Sau-shing, SBS, JP Dr Hon LAM Tai-fai, BBS, JP Hon CHAN Kin-por, JP Hon WONG Kwok-kin, BBS Hon IP Kwok-him, GBS, JP Hon Mrs Regina IP LAU Suk-yee, GBS, JP Hon Paul TSE Wai-chun Dr Hon Samson TAM Wai-ho, JP Hon Alan LEONG Kah-kit, SC Hon WONG Yuk-man - 2 -

Members : Dr Hon Philip WONG Yu-hong, GBS absent Hon LAU Wong-fat, GBM, GBS, JP Hon Timothy FOK Tsun-ting, GBS, JP Hon Frederick FUNG Kin-kee, SBS, JP Hon WONG Kwok-hing, MH Hon Ronny TONG Ka-wah, SC Hon Cyd HO Sau-lan Dr Hon Priscilla LEUNG Mei-fun Hon LEUNG Kwok-hung

Public Officers : Sessions One to Three attending Ms Adeline WONG Ching-man Under Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs

Mr Arthur HO Kin-wah Deputy Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs

Mr Freely CHENG Kei Principal Assistant Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs

Mr Thomas WU Kui-wah Assistant Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs

Sessions Four and Five

Mr Joshua LAW Chi-kong Permanent Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs

Mr Arthur HO Kin-wah Deputy Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs

Ms Anne TENG Yu-yan Principal Assistant Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs

Mr Keith MOK Man-kit Assistant Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs

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Attendance by : Session One invitation Hong Kong Reporter Mr Anthony LAM Producer

Victoria Park in Action Mr Christopher LAU

Power Voters Mr Ryan CHAN Chi-chuen Spokesman

Mr Edmon CHUNG

Civic Party Mr Philip TSANG

China Youth Service & Recreation Centre Mr LAM Wai-tong Chairman

Power for Democracy Mr LI Yiu-kee Exco member

Wanchai Community Activities Centre Ms LIU Mei-yan

Mr CHUNG Yam-cheung

The Judo Association of HK, China Mr WONG Po-kee Chairman

East Kowloon Youth Society Mr CHEN Wei-shiung President

Redburn Old Bird Association Mr CHIN Wai-lok

Charter 10 Miss Virginia YUE

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New Century Forum Ltd Mr CHAN Choi-hi District Affairs Officer

Logistics Cargo Supervisors Association Miss LAM Kam-yi Chairperson

香港文職及專業人員總會 Mr WONG Kit-hin, Peter

CP English Language Group Ms Jennifer Anne Eagleton Member

Session Two

Choi Hung Friends' Association Mr MOK Kin-wing

Yau Tong Home Land Mr LAU Chong-him

Harbour Transportation Workers General Union Ms CHING Ngon-lai Vice Chairman

Sha Tin Kin Ching Sports Association Mr TUNG Wai-ming

Mr Charles CHONG

政改關注組 Mr CHAN Chung-yau CEO

Federation of Hong Kong Gongdong Community Organizations Mr TEO Kong-lap

Melody Art Troupe H.K. Ms Alice LI

HK Human Rights Monitor Mr KWOK Hiu-chung Officer - 5 -

Hong Kong New Territories Commercial and Industrial General Association Ltd. Mr WONG Chun-fai

Mr Raymond HO

Mr CHAN Hiu-chun

Mr FUNG Hon-kwong

香港佛山工商聯會 Mr CHUNG Ka-yuen Secretary

Session Three

長沙灣街坊福利會 Mr WONG Kuen-wai

Young Democratic Alliance for Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong Mr Derrick TAN Committee member

Mr Jacky LEE

Mr Clovis SO

Ms KU Lai-fong

Yau Tsim Mong Federation of Association Mr CHAN Chun-kit Vice-president

Yau Ma Tei Concern for Resident Rights Association Mr CHENG Kam-fai, Steven Vice-chairman

Hong Kong Federation of Overseas Chinese Associations Limited Mr TSUI Ta-lin

The Singapore & Malaysia & Thai Overseas Returned Chinese Mr LEUNG Ping-kwong - 6 -

Tsuen Wan Youth Association Mr CHAN Pui-heng Member

Hong Kong Starfire Network Association Mr WONG Chi-wa

Hong Kong Political Economic and Cultural Society Mr CHAN Kuen-hong

Federation of New Territories Youth Mr WONG Man-kit, Sunny

Yat Tung Community Network Association Mr KWOK Chung-man

Session Four

Oi Man Estate Resident Association Mr NG Fan-kam Chairman

Shatin Youths Association Mr LI Lok-fai

Hong Kong Information Technology Joint Council Dr P T HO Vice President

Lam Kwo Entertainment Co. Mr LAM Kwo

Hong Kong Book & Magazine Trade Association Ltd. Mr TSANG Hip-tai Chairman

Hong Kong Muay-Thai Association Ltd. Mr CHAN Man-yee Chairman

Mr Wade CHAN

The Hong Kong Printers Association Mr YEUNG Kam-kai Chairman - 7 -

HK Federation of Fujian Associations Mr HUI Ching-on

Zhang Zhou District Association of HK Mr SHUM Man-chuen

The Naman (Hong Kong) Association Ltd. Mr TAI Hung-yu, Duncan

Hong Kong Fukien Sanming Association Limited Ms LEUNG Ngan

順利區社區事務促進會 Mr LAU Hon-man

青言社 Mr CHEUNG Yiu-pan

Southern Social Service Association Mr WONG Choi-lap Treasurer

Session Five

Mr David LAI Member of Wan Chai District Council

Southern Keen Youth Mr PANG Siu-kei Vice-President

Hong Kong Fishermen Consortium Mr HO Chun-yin, Steven

彩雲邨居民促進會 Mr CHEUNG Wing-leung

East Kowloon District Residents' Committee Mr WONG Kwun-lun Community Supervisor

San Po Kong Residents Association Ms LUI Kai-lin, Wendy Secretary

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The Hong Kong Federation of Students Miss YIP Cho-yan Secretary General

Lingnan University Students' Union Mr Leo TANG External Vice President

Mr CHAN Kin-yip

Ngau Tau Kok Teen Network Mr WAT Chi-wah

Hong Kong Motion Picture Industry Association Mr Brian CHUNG Chief Executive

Association of HK Dance Organization Mr LAW Yiu-wai Vice Chairman

樂民新村居民協會 Mr CHIK Chun-wah

Mr WONG Kwan

Mr SIU Yu-ken

Democracy & Reform Resources Center Mr Michael K T MO Senior Project Executive

Union of Refusing Legislation for False Universal Suffrage Mr Raymond KO

Federation of New Territories Youth Miss YIU Sze-yan

Clerk in : Miss Flora TAI attendance Chief Council Secretary (2)3

Staff in : Mr Arthur CHEUNG attendance Senior Assistant Legal Adviser 2 - 9 -

Miss Ivy LEONG Senior Council Secretary (2)3

Mrs Fonny TSANG Legislative Assistant (2)3

Miss Lulu YEUNG Clerical Assistant (2)3

Action

I. Meeting with deputations and the Administration [LC Paper Nos. CB(2)811/10-11(01) to (18), CB(2)820/10-11(01) to (18) and CB(2)869/10-11(01) to (22)]

1. The Bills Committee received views from a total of 78 individuals and organizations (index of proceedings attached at Annex).

2. The Bills Committee noted that the next meeting would be held on 18 January 2011 at 8:30 am.

II. Any other business

3. There being no other business, the meeting ended at 4:30 pm.

Council Business Division 2 Legislative Council Secretariat 3 February 2012 Annex

Proceedings of the third meeting of the Bills Committee on Chief Executive Election (Amendment) Bill 2010 and Legislative Council (Amendment) Bill 2010 on Saturday, 15 January 2011 from 9:00 am to 1:00 pm and 2:30 pm to 5:00 pm in the Chamber of the Legislative Council Building

Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required Session One (9:00 am - 10:15 am)

000625 - 001010 Chairman Opening remarks

Meeting with deputations to receive views on the Chief Executive Election (Amendment) Bill 2010 ("CEEB") and the Legislative Council (Amendment) Bill 2010 ("LCB").

001011 - 001303 Chairman Summary of views presented by Hong Kong Hong Kong Reporter Reporter –

(a) CEEB and LCB should have been scrutinized separately;

(b) the size of electorate for the Chief Executive ("CE") election was too small; and

(c) the Democratic Party (“DP”) should not have supported the package of proposals concerning the draft amendments to the specific methods for selecting CE and for forming the Legislative Council ("LegCo") (the "two electoral methods") in 2012.

001304 - 001600 Chairman Summary of views presented by Victoria Park in Victoria Park in Action Action –

(a) the proposed new District Council functional constituency ("DC FC") was a retrogressive step in democratic development; and

(b) it was a grave disappointment that DP supported the package of proposals concerning the draft amendments to the two electoral methods in 2012.

001601 - 001847 Chairman Summary of views presented by Power Voters – Power Voters (a) the two Bills were not supported; and

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Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required (b) DP should not have supported the motions concerning the draft amendments to the two electoral methods in 2012 on 24 and 25 June 2010.

001848 - 002204 Chairman Presentation of views Mr Edmon CHUNG [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(01)]

002205 - 002508 Chairman Summary of views presented by Civic Party – Civic Party (a) the constitutional reform package was not in compliance with Article 25 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights;

(b) the nomination threshold for the new DC FC and the CE election should be lowered so as to increase the pool of candidates;

(d) the size of the Election Committee ("EC") was still too small.

002509 - 002720 Chairman Presentation of views China Youth Service & [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(01)] Recreation Centre

002721 - 003002 Chairman Presentation of views Power for Democracy [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(02)]

003003 - 003205 Chairman Summary of views presented by Wanchai Wanchai Community Community Activities Centre – Activities Centre (a) the constitutional reform package should be supported as it had taken the constitutional development of Hong Kong a step forward; and

(b) the proposal for allocating 75 of the 100 new seats in the fourth sector of EC to elected DC members was supported.

003206 - 003511 Chairman Summary of views presented by Mr CHUNG Mr CHUNG Yam-cheung Yam-cheung –

(a) CEEB and LCB were supported;

(b) the proposal for increasing the number of members of the four sectors of EC by the same proportion was supported; and - 3 -

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003512 - 003655 Chairman Presentation of views The Judo Association of [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(02)] HK, China

003656 - 003934 Chairman Presentation of views East Kowloon Youth [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(03)] Society

003935 - 004247 Chairman Summary of views presented by Redburn Old Bird Redburn Old Bird Association – Association (a) the proposed candidature and nomination of the new DC FC under the "one-person-two-votes" proposal would create inequality among the right to vote, the right to nominate and the right to stand for election; and

(b) DP and the Hong Kong Association for Democracy and People's Livelihood ("ADPL") should not have supported the package of proposals concerning the draft amendments to the two electoral methods in 2012.

004248 - 004612 Chairman Summary of views presented by Charter 10 – Charter 10 (a) the two Bills were not supported; and

(b) DP and ADPL should not have supported the package of proposals concerning the draft amendments to the two electoral methods in 2012.

004613 - 004921 Chairman Presentation of views New Century Forum Ltd [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(16)]

004922 - 005031 Chairman Summary of views presented by Logistics Cargo Logistics Cargo Supervisors Association – Supervisors Association (a) the eligibility criteria for candidature for the new DC FC seats should be relaxed;

(b) the proposal that candidates for the new DC FC seats must be nominated by elected DC members and the proposed nomination threshold were supported; and - 4 -

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(c) the proposal for returning the new DC FC seats from the whole territory through a single constituency in accordance with the proportional representation list system was supported.

005032 - 005144 Chairman Presentation of views 香港文職及專業人員總會 [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(03)]

005145 - 005443 Chairman Summary of views presented by CP English CP English Language Language Group – Group (a) the two Bills were not supported;

(b) all FC seats should be abolished by 2020;

(d) the five new DC FC seats should be returned from five constituencies instead of one single constituency.

005444 - 005728 Chairman Dr Margaret NG advised that the Civic Party would Dr Margaret NG propose Committee Stage amendments ("CSAs") to CEEB and LCB. Ms NG invited deputations' views on the expansion of the electorate base of the traditional FCs.

005729 - 010035 Chairman Expression of views on the broadening of the Redburn Old Bird electorate base of the traditional FCs. Association Power Voters Mr Edmon CHUNG Charter 10

010036 - 010344 Chairman Ms Emily LAU said that while she respected freedom Ms Emily LAU of expression, she disapproved any use of abusive language and personal attack. Ms LAU pointed out that many members of the public had expressed support for the "one-person-two-votes" proposal for returning the five new DC FC seats with which the constitutional development of Hong Kong had taken a step forward. DP would continue to strive for the implementation of dual universal suffrage. It would also encourage electors to vote in the coming elections. She invited views on ways to encourage voters to come out to vote on election days.

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Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required 010345 - 010504 Chairman Expression of views by Hong Kong Reporter on how Hong Kong Reporter to encourage more voters to come out to vote.

010505 - 011100 Chairman In response to Ms Audrey EU's enquiry, Mr Edmon Mr Edmon CHUNG CHUNG elaborated on his view on the broadening of Ms Audrey EU the electorate base of the EC subsectors.

011101 - 011424 Chairman The Administration's response to views of Administration deputations as follow –

(a) the proposed increase of the membership of EC from 800 to 1200 would enhance the representativeness of EC;

(b) the composition of the four sectors of the current EC was broadly representative and was consistent with the principle of balanced participation;

(c) the proposal for allocating 75 of the 100 new seats in the fourth sector of EC to elected DC members would enhance the democratic elements of EC;

(d) the proposal for returning the five new DC FC seats from the whole territory through a single constituency in accordance with the proportional representation list system would enable the participation of smaller political parties in the election;

(e) it was appropriate to set the nomination threshold for the new DC FC at 15; and

(f) it was appropriate to set the maximum amount of election expense for the new DC FC at $6 million.

Session Two (10:15 am - 11:30 am)

011642 - 011859 Chairman Opening remarks

011900 - 012211 Chairman Summary of views presented by Choi Hung Friends' Choi Hung Friends' Association – Association (a) the eligibility criteria for candidature for the new DC FC seats should be relaxed such that persons who had served as elected DC members in the past would also be eligible;

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Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required (b) the proposal for returning the new DC FC seats from the whole territory through a single constituency in accordance with the proportional representation list system was supported; and

012212 - 012312 Chairman Presentation of views Yau Tong Home Land [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(04)]

012313 - 012522 Chairman Presentation of views Harbour Transportation [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(05)] Workers General Union

012523 - 012629 Chairman Presentation of views Sha Tin Kin Ching Sports [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(04)] Association

012630 - 012952 Chairman Presentation of views Mr Charles CHONG [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(05)]

012953 - 013107 Chairman Summary of views presented by政改關注組 – 政改關注組 (a) DP should not have supported the package of proposals concerning the draft amendments to the two electoral methods in 2012; and

(b) the FC system should be abolished.

013108 - 013416 Chairman Presentation of views Federation of Hong Kong [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(01)] Gongdong Community Organizations

013417 - 013511 Chairman Presentation of views Melody Art Troupe H.K. [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(06)]

013512 - 013825 Chairman Summary of views presented by HK Human Rights HK Human Rights Monitor – Monitor (a) the Administration's proposals in CEEB and LCB had not enhanced the democratic elements in the CE and LegCo elections;

(b) the Administration should have proposed a timetable for the abolition of FC system which did not comply with the principles of universality and equality; - 7 -

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(c) the "one-person-two-votes" proposal for returning the five new DC FC seats was a retrogressive step in democratic development; and

(d) the nomination threshold for the new DC FC was too high.

013826 - 014054 Chairman Presentation of views Hong Kong New [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(02)] Territories Commercial and Industrial General Association Ltd.

014055 - 014223 Chairman Presentation of views Mr Raymond HO [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(03)]

014224 - 014511 Chairman Presentation of views Mr CHAN Hiu-chun [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(05)]

014512 - 014618 Chairman Presentation of views Mr FUNG Hon-kwong [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(06)]

014619 - 014717 Chairman Summary of views presented by香港佛山工商聯香港佛山工商聯會會 –

(a) the two Bills were supported;

(b) the Administration should enhance the publicity and public education relating to constitutional development; and

014718 - 015207 Chairman Discussion on the CSAs to LCB to be proposed by Dr Margaret NG the Civic Party in relation to the FC system. HK Human Rights Monitor 政改關注組

015208 - 015827 Chairman Discussion on the merits of and deficiencies in the Mr Paul TSE FC system including the existence of sex Dr Margaret NG discrimination and its inconsistency with the HK Human Rights principles of universality and equality. Monitor

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Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required 015828 - 020225 Chairman Discussion on enlarging the eligibility for Ms Emily LAU candidature for the new DC FC seats and the Mr Charles CHONG definition of "substantial connection" in the Yau Tong Home Land provisions governing the eligibility for candidature Choi Hung Friends' for traditional FC seats. Association

020226 - 020345 Chairman The Administration responded that – Administration (a) the election for the five new DC FC seats would be FC election, as opposed to GC direct election. If the "substantial connection" provision was applied to the new DC FC election, each of the 3.2 million registered electors could be nominated as a candidate and could be a subscriber to a nomination for a candidate of DC FC, which would depart from the characteristics of the FC system; and

(b) the "one-person-two-votes" proposal for returning the new DC FC seats in 2012 would enhance the democratic elements of the FC system as only elected DC members would be eligible to nominate and be nominated as a candidate and candidates would be elected by a large electorate base of over 3.2 million registered electors.

020346 - 020442 Chairman Mr WONG Kwok-kin sought clarification on why Mr WONG Kwok-kin sex discrimination existed in the FC system and why the candidature for the new DC FC seats could not be enlarged to cover persons who had served as elected DC members in the past.

020443 - 020619 Chairman Elaboration of views by HK Human Rights Monitor HK Human Rights on why sex discrimination existed in the traditional Monitor FCs.

020620 - 020836 Chairman The Administration's explanation on the corporate Administration votes of the traditional FCs and the eligibility for candidature for the new DC FC seats.

020837 - 020904 Chairman Mr WONG Kwok-kin's view that it would be unfair Mr WONG Kwok-kin to the community of the DC constituency areas concerned if the primary purpose of the elected DC members concerned was to stand for the new DC FC election rather than to serve the community of the relevant districts.

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Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required 020905 - 021007 Chairman The Administration's elaboration on the proposed Administration eligibility for candidature for the new DC FC seats.

021008 - 021734 Chairman Discussion on the criteria adopted by HK Human Mr Jeffrey LAM Rights Monitor in assessing whether an organization HK Human Rights had complied with the principles of universality and Monitor equality in conducting an election.

021735 - 022147 Chairman Dr Margaret NG's enquiry and the Administration's Dr Margaret NG explanation on the eligibility for candidature for the traditional FCs and the new DC FC seats.

022148 - 022655 Chairman Expression of views on the election system in the Mr Paul TSE Catholic Church and the FC system's inconsistency HK Human Rights with the principles of universality and equality. Monitor 022656 - 023041 Chairman Yau Tong Home Land and Choi Hung Friends' Yau Tong Home Land Association's enquiry and the Administration's Choi Hung Friends' response on the eligibility for candidature for the new Association DC FC seats and the voting right of electors of Administration traditional FCs.

023042 - 023059 Chairman Closing remarks

023100 - 024724 Break

Session Three (11:45 am - 1:00 pm)

024725 - 024944 Chairman Opening remarks

024945 - 025231 Chairman Presentation of views 長沙灣街坊福利會 [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(09)]

025232 - 025551 Chairman Presentation of views Young Democratic [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(08)] Alliance for Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong

025552 - 025850 Chairman Summary of views presented by Mr Jacky LEE – Mr Jacky LEE (a) a slightly higher nomination threshold for the new DC FC would enhance cooperation among different political parties; and

(b) the proposal for returning the new DC FC seats from the whole territory through a single constituency was appropriate.

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Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required 025851 - 030109 Chairman Presentation of views Mr Clovis SO [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(06)]

030110 - 030320 Chairman Presentation of views Ms KU Lai-fong [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(10)]

030321 - 030532 Chairman Presentation of views Yau Tsim Mong Federation [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(08)] of Association

030533 - 030730 Chairman Presentation of views Yau Ma Tei Concern for [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(09)] Resident Rights Association

030731 - 031042 Chairman Presentation of views Hong Kong Federation of [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(11)] Overseas Chinese Associations Limited

031043 - 031316 Chairman Presentation of views The Singapore & Malaysia [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(12)] & Thai Overseas Returned Chinese

031317 - 031447 Chairman Presentation of views Tsuen Wan Youth [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(09)] Association

031448 - 031756 Chairman Presentation of views Hong Kong Starfire [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(11)] Network Association

031757 - 032056 Chairman Presentation of views Hong Kong Political [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(12)] Economic and Cultural Society

032057 - 032402 Chairman Summary of views presented by Federation of New Federation of New Territories Youth – Territories Youth (a) the constitutional reform package had taken the constitutional development of Hong Kong a step forward; and

(b) the proposed election expense limit of $6 million for the new DC FC was not too high.

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Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required 032403 - 032701 Chairman Summary of views presented by Yat Tung Yat Tung Community Community Network Association – Network Association (a) the GC boundaries should be re-delineated;

(b) the DC subsectors in EC should adopt the list proportional representation system, not the bloc voting system as proposed; and

(c) half of the 10 "Special Member" seats in the fourth sector of EC should be allocated to elected DC members and the remaining five seats should be left vacant.

032702 - 032840 Chairman The Administration's response that – Administration (a) it was considered appropriate to retain the number of GCs at five; and

(b) recommendations on the GC boundaries and allocating the 35 seats to five GCs would be made by the Electoral Affairs Commission independently in accordance with the relevant statutory criteria.

032841 - 033235 Chairman Discussion on the composition of the National Mr WONG Ting-kwong People's Congress subsector Yat Tung Community Network Association

033236 - 033320 Chairman Closing remarks

033321 - 052950 Lunch break

Session Four (2:30 pm - 3:45 pm)

052951 - 053207 Chairman Opening remarks

053208 - 053435 Chairman Presentation of views Oi Man Estate Resident [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(13)] Association

053436 - 053718 Chairman Summary of views presented by Shatin Youths Shatin Youths Association Association –

(a) the proposal for creating 10 "Special Member" seats in the fourth sector of EC to make up the difference of 10 seats until the number of LegCo seats increased from 60 to 70 in October 2012 was supported; - 12 -

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(b) the proposal for retaining the number of GCs at five was supported;

(d) the proposed nomination threshold of 15 for the new DC FC and the proposal for returning the five new DC FC seats from the whole territory through a single constituency in accordance with the proportional representation list system were supported.

053719 - 054000 Chairman Presentation of views Hong Kong Information [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(10)] Technology Joint Council

054001 - 054254 Chairman Presentation of views Lam Kwo Entertainment [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(11)] Co.

054255 - 054516 Chairman Summary of views presented by Hong Kong Book & Hong Kong Book & Magazine Trade Association Ltd. – Magazine Trade Association Ltd. (a) the proposed increase of the number of members of EC from 800 to 1 200 and the proposed nomination threshold of 150 EC members for the CE election were supported;

(b) the Administration's proposal that only elected DC members could register as voters, nominate candidates and be nominated as candidates in the DCs subsectors was supported; and

054517 - 054801 Chairman Presentation of views Hong Kong Muay-Thai [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(13)] Association Ltd.

054802 - 055149 Chairman Presentation of views Mr Wade CHAN [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(12)] Kwong-shik

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Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required 055150 - 055517 Chairman Presentation of views The Hong Kong Printers [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(14)] Association

055518 - 055813 Chairman Presentation of views HK Federation of Fujian [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(13)] Associations

055814 - 060021 Chairman Presentation of views Zhang Zhou District [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(15)] Association of HK

060022 - 060345 Chairman Presentation of views The Naman (Hong Kong) [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(14)] Association Ltd.

060346 - 060628 Chairman Presentation of views Hong Kong Fukien [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(15)] Sanming Association Limited

060629 - 061006 Chairman Summary of views presented by 順利區社區事務促順利區社區事務促進會進會 –

(a) the arrangement that the fourth-term CE and the fifth LegCo would work together to deal with the issues relating to the implementation of universal suffrage for the selection of CE in 2017 was appropriate;

(b) the proposals for increasing the number of members of EC from 800 to 1 200 and increasing the number of members of the four sectors of EC by the same proportion were supported; and

(c) the proposal for creating 10 "Special Member" seats in the fourth sector of EC to make up the difference of 10 seats until the number of LegCo seats increased from 60 to 70 in October 2012 was supported.

061007 - 061205 Chairman Presentation of views 青言社 [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(16)]

061206 - 061444 Chairman Summary of views presented by Southern Social Southern Social Service Service Association – Association (a) the proposal for allocating 75 of the 100 new seats in the fourth sector EC to elected DC members was supported; - 14 -

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(b) the proposed creation of the five new DC FC seats would enhance the representation of elected DC members and the democratic elements of the FC elections;

(c) the proposal for returning the new DC FC seats from the whole territory through a single constituency in accordance with the proportional representation list system was supported; and

(d) the proposals for setting the maximum amount of election expense limit for the new DC FC at $6 million and for increasing the rate of financial assistance to eligible candidates of LegCo election from $11 to $12 per vote were supported.

061445 - 062221 Chairman The Administration's response to views expressed by Administration deputations.

062222 - 062310 Chairman Closing remarks

062311- 064156 Break

Session Five (3:45 pm - 4:55 pm)

064157 - 064457 Chairman Opening remarks

064458 - 064631 Chairman Presentation of views Mr David LAI, member of [LC Paper No. CB(2)811/10-11(14)] Wan Chai District Council

064632 - 064906 Chairman Summary of views presented by Southern Keen Southern Keen Youth Youth –

(a) the proposal for retaining the existing number of EC subsectors was supported;

(b) the proposal for allocating 75 of the 100 new seats in the fourth sector EC to elected DC members was supported;

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Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required increased from $11 to $13 per vote with the cap of financial assistance payable be set at 60% of the declared election expenses.

064907 - 065031 Chairman Summary of views presented by Hong Kong Hong Kong Fishermen Fishermen Consortium – Consortium (a) the proposal for retaining the existing number of EC subsectors was supported;

(b) the idea of not introducing substantial changes to the traditional FCs was supported; and

(c) the proposal that consular posts and international organizations should no longer be eligible to be registered as corporate electors was supported.

065032 - 065151 Chairman Presentation of views 彩雲邨居民促進會 [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(16)]

065152 - 065458 Chairman Presentation of views East Kowloon District [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(17)] Residents' Committee

065459 - 065536 Chairman Presentation of views San Po Kong Residents [LC Paper No. CB(2)820/10-11(18)] Association

065537 - 065632 Chairman Summary of views presented by the Hong Kong The Hong Kong Federation of Students – Federation of Students (a) the constitutional reform package was not supported as it failed to provide any roadmap nor timetable for the implementation of full universal suffrage in Hong Kong; and

(b) dual universal suffrage should be implemented and the FC system should be abolished.

065633 - 065825 Chairman Summary of views presented by Lingnan University Lingnan University Students' Union – Students' Union (a) the constitutional reform package was not supported; and

(b) universal suffrage for the election of CE and all Members of LegCo should be implemented in 2012.

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Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required 065826 - 065952 Chairman Summary of views presented by Mr CHAN Kin-yip – Mr CHAN Kin-yip (a) the two Bills were supported;

(b) there should be gradual and orderly progress for the CE election to move towards universal suffrage and the proposed increase in the number of members of EC from 800 to 1 200 was appropriate;

(c) the arrangement that the fourth-term CE and the fifth LegCo would work together to deal with the issues relating to the implementation of universal suffrage for the selection of CE in 2017 was appropriate; and

(d) the proposal for retaining the number of GCs at five was supported.

065953 - 070043 Chairman Presentation of views Ngau Tau Kok Teen [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(18)] Network

070044 - 070121 Chairman Presentation of views Hong Kong Motion Picture [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(19)] Industry Association

070122 - 070421 Chairman Summary of views presented by Association of HK Association of HK Dance Dance Organization – Organization (a) the scrutiny process of the two Bills should be expedited;

(b) there should be a gradual and orderly progress for the CE election to move towards universal suffrage and the proposed increase in the number of members of EC from 800 to 1 200 was appropriate;

(d) the proposal for creating 10 "Special Member" seats in the fourth sector of EC to make up the difference of 10 seats until the number of LegCo seats increased from 60 to 70 in October 2012 was supported; and

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Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required (e) the proposed adoption of the bloc voting system for the DC subsectors in EC was supported.

070422 - 070715 Chairman Presentation of views 樂民新村居民協會 [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(20)]

070716 - 071028 Chairman Summary of views presented by Mr WONG Kwan – Mr WONG Kwan (a) the proposals for increasing the number of members of EC from 800 to 1 200 and for increasing the number of members of the four sectors of EC by the same proportion were supported;

(b) the proposed increase in the number of LegCo seats for the fifth LegCo in 2012 to 70 was supported; and

(c) the proposals that candidates for the new DC FC seats must be nominated by elected DC members and that the nomination threshold should be 15 were supported.

071029 - 071209 Chairman Presentation of views Mr SIU Yu-ken [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(22)]

071210 - 071441 Chairman Summary of views presented by Democracy & Democracy & Reform Reform Resources Center – Resources Center (a) the proposal that consular posts and international organizations should no longer be eligible to be registered as corporate electors was supported;

(b) it was not appropriate that multinational companies with foreign investment were still eligible to be registered as FC electors;

(d) the FC system should be abolished.

071442 - 071801 Chairman Summary of views presented by Union of Refusing Union of Refusing Legislation for False Universal Suffrage – Legislation for False Universal Suffrage (a) the proposed increase of the membership of EC would not enhance the representativeness of EC and the CE election remained to be a "small circle" election; - 18 -

Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required

(b) the proposed allocation of the 10 "Special Member" seats in the fourth sector of EC was not supported; and

071802 - 072018 Chairman Summary of views presented by Federation of New Federation of New Territories Youth – Territories Youth (a) the scrutiny process of the two Bills should be expedited;

(b) the proposal that Registered Chinese medicine practitioners should be eligible for registration as voters in the Chinese medicine subsector of EC was supported; and

(c) the proposals that candidates for the new DC FC seats should be nominated by elected DC members and that the nomination threshold should be 15 were supported.

072019 - 072756 Chairman The Administration's responses to views expressed Administration by deputations.

072757 - 073049 Chairman Expression of views on corporate electors in FC. Democracy & Reform Resources Center Administration

073050 - 073121 Chairman Date of next meeting on 18 January 2011 at 8:30 am.

Closing remarks

Council Business Division 2 Legislative Council Secretariat 3 February 2012