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Minutes Have Been Seen by the Administration) by Bills Committee on Chief Executive Election (Amendment) Bill 2010 and Legislative Council (Amendment) Bill 2010 立法會 Legislative Council Ref : CB2/BC/3/10 LC Paper No. CB(2)947/11-12 (These minutes have been seen by the Administration) by Bills Committee on Chief Executive Election (Amendment) Bill 2010 and Legislative Council (Amendment) Bill 2010 Minutes of the third meeting held on Saturday, 15 January 2011 from 9:00 am to 1:00 pm and 2:30 pm to 5:00 pm in the Chamber of the Legislative Council Building Members : Hon TAM Yiu-chung, GBS, JP (Chairman) present Hon Jeffrey LAM Kin-fung, SBS, JP (Deputy Chairman) Hon Albert HO Chun-yan Ir Dr Hon Raymond HO Chung-tai, SBS, S.B.St.J., JP Dr Hon Margaret NG Hon CHEUNG Man-kwong Hon Mrs Sophie LEUNG LAU Yau-fun, GBS, JP Hon WONG Yung-kan, SBS, JP Hon LAU Kong-wah, JP Hon Miriam LAU Kin-yee, GBS, JP Hon Emily LAU Wai-hing, JP Hon Andrew CHENG Kar-foo Hon Abraham SHEK Lai-him, SBS, JP Hon Audrey EU Yuet-mee, SC, JP Hon Vincent FANG Kang, SBS, JP Hon LEE Wing-tat Hon CHEUNG Hok-ming, GBS, JP Hon WONG Ting-kwong, BBS, JP Hon CHIM Pui-chung Prof Hon Patrick LAU Sau-shing, SBS, JP Dr Hon LAM Tai-fai, BBS, JP Hon CHAN Kin-por, JP Hon WONG Kwok-kin, BBS Hon IP Kwok-him, GBS, JP Hon Mrs Regina IP LAU Suk-yee, GBS, JP Hon Paul TSE Wai-chun Dr Hon Samson TAM Wai-ho, JP Hon Alan LEONG Kah-kit, SC Hon WONG Yuk-man - 2 - Members : Dr Hon Philip WONG Yu-hong, GBS absent Hon LAU Wong-fat, GBM, GBS, JP Hon Timothy FOK Tsun-ting, GBS, JP Hon Frederick FUNG Kin-kee, SBS, JP Hon WONG Kwok-hing, MH Hon Ronny TONG Ka-wah, SC Hon Cyd HO Sau-lan Dr Hon Priscilla LEUNG Mei-fun Hon LEUNG Kwok-hung Public Officers : Sessions One to Three attending Ms Adeline WONG Ching-man Under Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Mr Arthur HO Kin-wah Deputy Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Mr Freely CHENG Kei Principal Assistant Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Mr Thomas WU Kui-wah Assistant Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Sessions Four and Five Mr Joshua LAW Chi-kong Permanent Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Mr Arthur HO Kin-wah Deputy Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Ms Anne TENG Yu-yan Principal Assistant Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Mr Keith MOK Man-kit Assistant Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs - 3 - Attendance by : Session One invitation Hong Kong Reporter Mr Anthony LAM Producer Victoria Park in Action Mr Christopher LAU Power Voters Mr Ryan CHAN Chi-chuen Spokesman Mr Edmon CHUNG Civic Party Mr Philip TSANG China Youth Service & Recreation Centre Mr LAM Wai-tong Chairman Power for Democracy Mr LI Yiu-kee Exco member Wanchai Community Activities Centre Ms LIU Mei-yan Mr CHUNG Yam-cheung The Judo Association of HK, China Mr WONG Po-kee Chairman East Kowloon Youth Society Mr CHEN Wei-shiung President Redburn Old Bird Association Mr CHIN Wai-lok Charter 10 Miss Virginia YUE - 4 - New Century Forum Ltd Mr CHAN Choi-hi District Affairs Officer Logistics Cargo Supervisors Association Miss LAM Kam-yi Chairperson 香港文職及專業人員總會 Mr WONG Kit-hin, Peter CP English Language Group Ms Jennifer Anne Eagleton Member Session Two Choi Hung Friends' Association Mr MOK Kin-wing Yau Tong Home Land Mr LAU Chong-him Harbour Transportation Workers General Union Ms CHING Ngon-lai Vice Chairman Sha Tin Kin Ching Sports Association Mr TUNG Wai-ming Mr Charles CHONG 政改關注組 Mr CHAN Chung-yau CEO Federation of Hong Kong Gongdong Community Organizations Mr TEO Kong-lap Melody Art Troupe H.K. Ms Alice LI HK Human Rights Monitor Mr KWOK Hiu-chung Officer - 5 - Hong Kong New Territories Commercial and Industrial General Association Ltd. Mr WONG Chun-fai Mr Raymond HO Mr CHAN Hiu-chun Mr FUNG Hon-kwong 香港佛山工商聯會 Mr CHUNG Ka-yuen Secretary Session Three 長沙灣街坊福利會 Mr WONG Kuen-wai Young Democratic Alliance for Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong Mr Derrick TAN Committee member Mr Jacky LEE Mr Clovis SO Ms KU Lai-fong Yau Tsim Mong Federation of Association Mr CHAN Chun-kit Vice-president Yau Ma Tei Concern for Resident Rights Association Mr CHENG Kam-fai, Steven Vice-chairman Hong Kong Federation of Overseas Chinese Associations Limited Mr TSUI Ta-lin The Singapore & Malaysia & Thai Overseas Returned Chinese Mr LEUNG Ping-kwong - 6 - Tsuen Wan Youth Association Mr CHAN Pui-heng Member Hong Kong Starfire Network Association Mr WONG Chi-wa Hong Kong Political Economic and Cultural Society Mr CHAN Kuen-hong Federation of New Territories Youth Mr WONG Man-kit, Sunny Yat Tung Community Network Association Mr KWOK Chung-man Session Four Oi Man Estate Resident Association Mr NG Fan-kam Chairman Shatin Youths Association Mr LI Lok-fai Hong Kong Information Technology Joint Council Dr P T HO Vice President Lam Kwo Entertainment Co. Mr LAM Kwo Hong Kong Book & Magazine Trade Association Ltd. Mr TSANG Hip-tai Chairman Hong Kong Muay-Thai Association Ltd. Mr CHAN Man-yee Chairman Mr Wade CHAN The Hong Kong Printers Association Mr YEUNG Kam-kai Chairman - 7 - HK Federation of Fujian Associations Mr HUI Ching-on Zhang Zhou District Association of HK Mr SHUM Man-chuen The Naman (Hong Kong) Association Ltd. Mr TAI Hung-yu, Duncan Hong Kong Fukien Sanming Association Limited Ms LEUNG Ngan 順利區社區事務促進會 Mr LAU Hon-man 青言社 Mr CHEUNG Yiu-pan Southern Social Service Association Mr WONG Choi-lap Treasurer Session Five Mr David LAI Member of Wan Chai District Council Southern Keen Youth Mr PANG Siu-kei Vice-President Hong Kong Fishermen Consortium Mr HO Chun-yin, Steven 彩雲邨居民促進會 Mr CHEUNG Wing-leung East Kowloon District Residents' Committee Mr WONG Kwun-lun Community Supervisor San Po Kong Residents Association Ms LUI Kai-lin, Wendy Secretary - 8 - The Hong Kong Federation of Students Miss YIP Cho-yan Secretary General Lingnan University Students' Union Mr Leo TANG External Vice President Mr CHAN Kin-yip Ngau Tau Kok Teen Network Mr WAT Chi-wah Hong Kong Motion Picture Industry Association Mr Brian CHUNG Chief Executive Association of HK Dance Organization Mr LAW Yiu-wai Vice Chairman 樂民新村居民協會 Mr CHIK Chun-wah Mr WONG Kwan Mr SIU Yu-ken Democracy & Reform Resources Center Mr Michael K T MO Senior Project Executive Union of Refusing Legislation for False Universal Suffrage Mr Raymond KO Federation of New Territories Youth Miss YIU Sze-yan Clerk in : Miss Flora TAI attendance Chief Council Secretary (2)3 Staff in : Mr Arthur CHEUNG attendance Senior Assistant Legal Adviser 2 - 9 - Miss Ivy LEONG Senior Council Secretary (2)3 Mrs Fonny TSANG Legislative Assistant (2)3 Miss Lulu YEUNG Clerical Assistant (2)3 Action I. Meeting with deputations and the Administration [LC Paper Nos. CB(2)811/10-11(01) to (18), CB(2)820/10-11(01) to (18) and CB(2)869/10-11(01) to (22)] 1. The Bills Committee received views from a total of 78 individuals and organizations (index of proceedings attached at Annex). 2. The Bills Committee noted that the next meeting would be held on 18 January 2011 at 8:30 am. II. Any other business 3. There being no other business, the meeting ended at 4:30 pm. Council Business Division 2 Legislative Council Secretariat 3 February 2012 Annex Proceedings of the third meeting of the Bills Committee on Chief Executive Election (Amendment) Bill 2010 and Legislative Council (Amendment) Bill 2010 on Saturday, 15 January 2011 from 9:00 am to 1:00 pm and 2:30 pm to 5:00 pm in the Chamber of the Legislative Council Building Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required Session One (9:00 am - 10:15 am) 000625 - 001010 Chairman Opening remarks Meeting with deputations to receive views on the Chief Executive Election (Amendment) Bill 2010 ("CEEB") and the Legislative Council (Amendment) Bill 2010 ("LCB"). 001011 - 001303 Chairman Summary of views presented by Hong Kong Hong Kong Reporter Reporter – (a) CEEB and LCB should have been scrutinized separately; (b) the size of electorate for the Chief Executive ("CE") election was too small; and (c) the Democratic Party (“DP”) should not have supported the package of proposals concerning the draft amendments to the specific methods for selecting CE and for forming the Legislative Council ("LegCo") (the "two electoral methods") in 2012. 001304 - 001600 Chairman Summary of views presented by Victoria Park in Victoria Park in Action Action – (a) the proposed new District Council functional constituency ("DC FC") was a retrogressive step in democratic development; and (b) it was a grave disappointment that DP supported the package of proposals concerning the draft amendments to the two electoral methods in 2012. 001601 - 001847 Chairman Summary of views presented by Power Voters – Power Voters (a) the two Bills were not supported; and - 2 - Time Marker Speaker(s) Subject(s) Action required (b) DP should not have supported the motions concerning the draft amendments to the two electoral methods in 2012 on 24 and 25 June 2010. 001848 - 002204 Chairman Presentation of views Mr Edmon CHUNG [LC Paper No. CB(2)869/10-11(01)] 002205 - 002508 Chairman Summary of views presented by Civic Party – Civic Party (a) the constitutional reform package was not in compliance with Article 25 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; (b) the nomination threshold for the new DC FC and the CE election should be lowered so as to increase the pool of candidates; (c) the proposed election expense limit of $6 million for the new DC FC was too high; and (d) the size of the Election Committee ("EC") was still too small.
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