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Cofnod Y Trafodion the Record of Proceedings Cofnod y Trafodion The Record of Proceedings Y Pwyllgor Menter a Busnes The Enterprise and Business Committee 24/02/2016 Agenda’r Cyfarfod Meeting Agenda Trawsgrifiadau’r Pwyllgor Committee Transcripts Cynnwys Contents 4 Cyflwyniadau, Ymddiheuriadau a Dirprwyon Introductions, Apologies and Substitutions 4 Craffu ar Waith y Dirprwy Weinidog Sgiliau a Thechnoleg Scrutiny of the Deputy Minister for Skills and Technology 20 Craffu ar Waith Gweinidog yr Economi, Gwyddoniaeth a Thrafnidiaeth Scrutiny of the Minister for Economy, Science and Transport 50 Papurau i’w Nodi Papers to Note Cofnodir y trafodion yn yr iaith y llefarwyd hwy ynddi yn y pwyllgor. Yn ogystal, cynhwysir trawsgrifiad o’r cyfieithu ar y pryd. The proceedings are reported in the language in which they were spoken in the committee. In addition, a transcription of the simultaneous interpretation is included. 24/02/2016 Aelodau’r pwyllgor yn bresennol Committee members in attendance Mick Antoniw Llafur Bywgraffiad|Biography Labour Rhun ap Iorwerth Plaid Cymru Bywgraffiad|Biography The Party of Wales Mohammad Asghar Ceidwadwyr Cymreig Bywgraffiad|Biography Welsh Conservatives Jeff Cuthbert Llafur Bywgraffiad|Biography Labour Yr Arglwydd/Lord Plaid Cymru Elis-Thomas The Party of Wales Bywgraffiad|Biography William Graham Ceidwadwyr Cymreig (Cadeirydd y Pwyllgor) Bywgraffiad|Biography Welsh Conservatives (Committee Chair) Eluned Parrott Democratiaid Rhyddfrydol Cymru Bywgraffiad|Biography Welsh Liberal Democrats Joyce Watson Llafur Bywgraffiad|Biography Labour Eraill yn bresennol Others in attendance Ella Davidoff Pennaeth Datblygu Polisi a Rhaglenni, Llywodraeth Cymru Head of Policy and Programme Development, Welsh Government Edwina Hart Aelod Cynulliad, Llafur (Gweinidog yr Economi, Bywgraffiad|Biography Gwyddoniaeth a Thrafnidiaeth) Assembly Member, Labour (the Minister for Economy, Science and Transport) Teresa Holdsworth Dirprwy Gyfarwyddwr, Ymgysylltu a Chyflogaeth Ieuenctid, Llywodraeth Cymru Deputy Director, Youth Engagement and Employment, Welsh Government Julie James Aelod Cynulliad, Llafur (y Dirprwy Weinidog Sgiliau a Bywgraffiad|Biography Thechnoleg) Assembly Member, Labour (the Deputy Minister for Skills and Technology) 3 24/02/2016 James Price Dirprwy Ysgrifennydd Parhaol, Llywodraeth Cymru Deputy Permanent Secretary, Welsh Government Swyddogion Cynulliad Cenedlaethol Cymru yn bresennol National Assembly for Wales officials in attendance Rachel Jones Dirprwy Glerc Deputy Clerk Andrew Minnis Y Gwasanaeth Ymchwil Research Service Gareth Price Clerc Clerk Anne Thomas Y Gwasanaeth Ymchwil Research Service Dechreuodd rhan gyhoeddus y cyfarfod am 10:24. The public part of the meeting began at 10:24. Cyflwyniadau, Ymddiheuriadau a Dirprwyon Introductions, Apologies and Substitutions [1] William Graham: Welcome now to the formal session of our committee. I have apologies from Gwenda Thomas and Keith Davies. The meeting is bilingual and headphones can be used for simultaneous translation from Welsh to English on channel 1, or for amplification on channel 2. The meeting will be broadcast and a transcript of the proceedings will be published later. In the event of a fire alarm, I ask people to follow directions from the ushers. 10:24 Craffu ar Waith y Dirprwy Weinidog Sgiliau a Thechnoleg Scrutiny of the Deputy Minister for Skills and Technology [2] William Graham: Our first item is scrutiny of the Deputy Minister for Skills and Technology. I might ask the Minister just to give her name and title for the record. [3] The Deputy Minister for Skills and Technology (Julie James): I’m Julie James and I’m the Deputy Minister for Skills and Technology. 4 24/02/2016 [4] Ms Davidoff: I’m Ella Davidoff, head of policy and programme development. [5] Ms Holdsworth: I’m Teresa Holdsworth, deputy director for youth engagement and skills policy. [6] William Graham: Thank you very much. Part of this is an opportunity to follow-up the inquiry on assisting young people into work. So, on that basis, Deputy Minister, could I ask you—? In terms of the numbers and percentage of young people who are not in education, employment or training, they’ve decreased in the last two years, which is clearly welcome. However, over 10,000 young people aged 16 to 18 and 47,300 young people aged 19 to 24 were still not in education, employment or training at the end of 2015. So, what more do you think you can do? [7] Julie James: The two age groups are very different in fact in the approach that we have. We’re very pleased with the decrease in numbers and we do think that it shows that a large number of our programmes are working. They are travelling in the right direction, though everybody would like to see them travel faster. So, in terms of the 19-24 age group, that’s a much more difficult group because they’re the ones who have largely left compulsory education and it’s difficult—a large part of the problem we have is with data. So, we’ve been developing some data tracking tools. [8] As part of the younger cohort and the youth engagement and progression framework, we’ve developed some really good information sharing data protocols with all of the local authorities, and it’s a question of extending some of those good practices up into the later cohort of people. The problem is that a lot of it will be down to them—whether they want to stay in touch. So it’s about having the lead assessors from the youth engagement and progression framework, as these young people move through into the 19-24, staying in touch with them really and making sure that they want to stay in touch with us and that we have good systems in place for tracking them on that basis. [9] It’s partly an issue about how you keep them engaged. So, what we’re looking to do is to extend some of the things that have worked really well with the younger cohort up into that older age group. I will say that one of the big things about the data is how reliable it is. We’ve done a great deal of work on the data here in Wales to make sure that it is as reliable as we can 5 24/02/2016 make it. We’re a bit frustrated by the fact that that data isn’t being tracked in England to the same extent, so the comparability is lost to us. The committee will know that we’ve had some argument with the English systems about the comparability data and the fact that they’re not tracking it in quite the same way as us. So, that’s been a bit of an issue for us. [10] But we’re also developing—I think I shared an early copy of it with the committee—our skills and employment route-map. Do you remember the thing that looks a little bit like a tube map? That was an early version. We’re very much developing that. The idea of that is to give a streamlined picture to everybody involved—the people who are involved as lead workers and assisters, but also the training providers, the education establishments and the young people themselves—as to how that system works, with a view to keeping people much more engaged. I’m sure we’ll go on to talk about that a bit later on. [11] William Graham: On the reduction in funding for both local government—well, particularly for local government—any particular impact on your— [12] Julie James: We directly fund the youth progression and engagement framework work in order to keep it there, because we want it to underline the importance of it to us. The committee will also know that we’ve been doing a review of youth work, which I’m hoping will report very soon now, about how we can ensure that youth work funding stays in place. One of the reasons that the youth progression and engagement framework works is that it’s just rearranging existing resources and giving better guidance to local authorities as to how to use their resources. So, the lead workers, for example, can be a youth worker, a careers advisor, a specialist teacher or a carer. It can be a large number of people. Numbers of them aren’t actually in the Welsh—we don’t fund them directly. So this is much more about corralling your resources, if you like, and making sure we’re all going in the same direction. Our youth work review will be part of that as well. Obviously, everything is affected by diminishing resources, but in as much as you can say it isn’t affected, then it isn’t. [13] William Graham: Though your programme is, as you say, very flexible, there are some, shall we say, local authorities who could do better. How are you going to influence those? [14] Julie James: Actually, all the local authorities have now implemented 6 24/02/2016 the youth progression—I always get it the wrong way around—the youth engagement and progression framework. I always say it backwards for some reason. [Laughter.] They’ve all implemented. We’ve had some really good conferences where we’ve shared good practice and so on, and actually I think it’s demonstrable that the system works. The better authorities have been assisting the authorities who are slightly further back on the track. But we’re very happy that good progress has been made, that it’s embedded, and that everybody accepts that it’s a good framework. It’s been well received. It’s clearly giving results and so we’re happy that people are moving along that route well. 10:30 [15] William Graham: Thank you very much. Jeff. [16] Jeff Cuthbert: Thank you. Linked to this question, I appreciate the issue of data and the importance of getting that as well as you can, but, of course, there’s then, also, the offer of opportunities for young people.
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