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DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Third Session – Forty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Myrna Driedger Speaker Vol. LXXV No. 43A - 10 a.m., Tuesday, April 6, 2021 ISSN 0542-5492 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Second Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ADAMS, Danielle Thompson NDP ALTOMARE, Nello Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma Union Station NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian Keewatinook NDP CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy, Hon. Kildonan-River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Roblin PC EICHLER, Ralph, Hon. Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne, Hon. Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GORDON, Audrey, Hon. Southdale PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah, Hon. Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg, Hon. Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek, Hon. Interlake-Gimli PC JOHNSTON, Scott Assiniboia PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMONT, Dougald St. Boniface Lib. LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya Notre Dame NDP MARTIN, Shannon McPhillips PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC MOSES, Jamie St. Vital NDP NAYLOR, Lisa Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine, Hon. Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Turtle Mountain PC REYES, Jon Waverley PC SALA, Adrien St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron, Hon. Springfield-Ritchot PC SMITH, Andrew Lagimodière PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Vérendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff, Hon. Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC 2145 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Tuesday, April 6, 2021 The House met at 10 a.m. to support because it doesn't adequately address the situation, and, therefore, I hope that the bill does not Madam Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from move forward. Whom all power and wisdom come, we are assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to Thank you. the welfare and prosperity of our province. Grant, O Mr. Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official merciful God, we pray Thee, that we may desire only Opposition): It is always a pleasure and an honour to that which is in accordance with Thy will, that we may get a chance to speak in the esteemed Chamber here, seek it with wisdom and know it with certainty and and I wanted to take some time this morning to speak accomplish it perfectly for the glory and honour of about the bill that has been brought forward by the Thy name and for the welfare of all our people. Amen. members opposite. Please be seated. You know, I think it's really telling about this Good morning, everybody. government's priorities, particularly during a pan- ORDERS OF THE DAY demic in which working people have borne a dispro- portionate burden of the impacts of COVID-19, that PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS the government would bring forward this bill. Hon. Cameron Friesen (Deputy Government Because again, if you were to actually talk to people House Leader): I would call Bill 222, The Lobbyists who have to go to work through the pandemic, who Registration Amendment Act, for debate. have to be on the front lines, people who fall into that essential-worker category, the things that they're DEBATE ON SECOND READINGS– asking for are starkly different from what the govern- PUBLIC BILLS ment backbench is trying to legislate with this bill Bill 222–The Lobbyists Registration before us today. Amendment Act The priorities the working people have outlined Madam Speaker: It has been announced that the during the pandemic are things like paid sick leave, House will resume debate on second reading of being able to stay home when you're sick so that you Bill 222, The Lobbyists Registration Amendment can do your part to slow down on community spread. Act, standing in the name of the honourable member It's things like being able to ensure that you receive for River Heights, who has nine minutes remaining. your vaccination in a timely fashion, which seems to be the latest failure of this government in responding Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Yes. Good to the pandemic. morning, Madam Speaker. And I want to finish my comments on this bill. It's things like having a living wage. Again, to me, it makes no sense, certainly not from a progressive One of the major problems with this bill is that perspective, but I would argue from a conservative when it comes to unions, there's not an adequate perspective also, why should anyone who works full differentiation between what is bargaining and what is time have to live in poverty? Doesn't make any sense lobbying. The result is that it would be very easy for to me. Again, even if you're a conservative, it seems things which are bargaining to get caught up in and be like the whole idea behind, you know, economic called lobbying. motivation and economic incentive is to provide The–it has been pointed out that the Manitoba people some sort of, like, stimulus so that they take Teachers' Society is registered as lobbyists, but they part in the workforce. And so why would you want to don't bargain with–provincially, at least not at this pay people a wage that condemns them, even if they point. They may be in the not-too-distant future. work full time, to living in poverty? But for the moment, because there's not an And what we've seen highlighted time and time adequate distinction between what is lobbying and again in the pandemic is that many of those folks who bargaining, this bill is not one what we would be able are earning a poverty wage unfortunately–a minimum 2146 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA April 6, 2021 wage that's been kept artificially low by this govern- members opposite actively participated in that golf ment–are those people who are essential workers: course fundraiser that I'm talking about where grocery store workers, people who work in the logistic improper and illegal contributions from corporations supply chain, people who work in meat processing were made. plants, people who work in warehouses. It's also those people who work in the care economy: child care, * (10:10) early childhood educators, people who care for our And when we go beyond that and think about seniors, those people who were on the front lines of what that says about a government that would not those facilities most deeply impacted by the pan- only, I guess, participate and encourage, but in fact demic, those who work in long-term care. promote somebody who had engaged in that sort of, Those folks have been asking, justifiably so, for a you know, I guess–not even in the grey area, but on living wage. And we've all seen within the past year the wrong side of improper lobbying–then I that we the rationale for why they should be paid: they provide see that there's a real issue there. some of the most important, unreplaceable work in And I note that the members opposite are now our society, and certainly they should get a living beginning to find their courage and try to speak up for wage. their departed colleague, but, of course, it's too late for And so these are the sort of priorities that working that seat. And so, perhaps, there's other ministers that people in the province are asking for and so rightly they'll endeavour to try and save the political careers deserve. And yet, this government misses the mark of, but we'll have to see. again by empowering one of their backbenchers to Again, when we're talking about issues with bring forward a piece of legislation that doesn't even lobbying, why is there nothing in this bill that would really live up to the title when we're talking about address the ongoing saga of Bell MTS appearing to lobbyists. Because in the five years that I've been here control all the levers of government with the PC Party there's been a few issues around lobbying, improper in place on the other side of this House? lobbying, but they've all been on that side of the House, Madam Speaker. Again, during the break, I was speaking to many Manitobans who were encouraged by the huge And it's all involved corporations having undue investment that Valley Fiber is going to be making influence to the levers of government. And yet and expending–and extending broadband connectivity nowhere in this Bill 222 that we're being asked to in the Morden-Winkler area. Certainly, that was a debate here today, nowhere is there any measure that good news story for the region; certainly, that's a good would rectify those situations. news story for that business. But you have to wonder, You know, the Conservative ministers on the with such a good news story happening in such a deep other side, I'm sure they remember their former blue Conservative part of the province, where was colleague well, Colleen Mayer.
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