Ansteorran College of Heralds Does Estrill Swet, Retiarius Pursuivant, Make Greetings
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Here are the decisions about ILoI0009 made on December 9, 2000 (AS XXXV) at Stargate Yule Revel, as typed by Kathri (who has corrected the item headers where Bordure needed it, which explains why some of the comments seem to be about problems that don't exist.) Griffon, Bordure (and deputy-Asterisk-for-the-day) Unto the Ansteorran College of Heralds does Estrill Swet, Retiarius Pursuivant, make greetings. For information on commentary submission formats or to receive a copy of the collated commentary, you can contact me at: Deborah Sweet 824 E 8th, Stillwater, OK 74074 405/624-9344 (before 10pm) [email protected] Commenters for this issue: Magnus von Lübeck - Raven's Fort. All items were checked against the on-line O&A. Mari Elspeth nic Bryan - Solveig Throndardottir, Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan, Free Trumpet Studies in Heraldry & Onomastics 87 (Albuquerque, NM: The Outlaw Press, 1994). Andrew W. Nelson, The Compact Nelson Japanese-English Character Dictionary, abridged by John H. Haig. (Rutland, Vermont: Charles E. Tuttle Company, 1999). The documentation for a number of the name submissions in this ILoI is not presented in enough detail to be reviewed by the College of Arms without problems. It is not simply enough to (for example) state that a name is in Withycombe. Even "Withycombe, page (page #)" is not enough. Different editions of Withycombe have the headers on different pages. Even the 3rd edition hardback has entries on different pages than the 3rd edition paperback. Name documentation has to be summarized clearly and completely enough that: 1) a commenter can quickly and easily look up the reference and 2) it is clear why this reference supports the registration of the submitted name In a number of the comments below, I refer to the Annals of Connacht. That source is: Mavis Cournane, Vibeke Dijkman, Ivonne Tummers, ed., "Annála Connacht" (WWW: CELT: Corpus of Electronic Texts: a project of University College, Cork, Ireland., 1997) [URL:http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/G100011/] Wilim Penbras ap Gurgeneu Da’ud ibn Auda - al-Jamal Herald Francois la Flamme – Estencele Pursuivant. Used the online O&A. Names were not checked. Northkeep - Commenters this month were Robert Fitzmorgan, Etienne de St. Amaranth, Rosamund Blaunchfleur, Anawyn Bardolphe, Yoshi Hakamori, Ren the Gimpy, Timothy of Northkeep, and Cunovinda ingen Coinnich. All items were checked for conflict against the on-line O&A. Items for which we had no comment, and no conflicts were found, have been omitted. Bryn Gwlad - Present: Gwenllian ferch Maredudd, Mari nic Bryan, Andri de Chartres, Johann Kiefer Hayden, Daniel de Lincoln (y'r humble scribe and first-person comments). Unless noted, we checked all armory against the Ninth edition Ordinary and we found no conflicts. Maridonna Benvenuti 1) Almaith ingen Chormaic (Trelac) New Device. Name registered 6/99. Azure, a schnecke issuant from dexter base argent. Magnus von Lübeck [Device] The name was registered June 1999. The point where the schnecke enters the shield needs to be blazoned. Francois la Flamme [Device] Nice and clear; only 2 others registered. Northkeep [Device] No conflict found. This was checked both as field-only armory, and as if the schnecke were an ordinary. Nice, simple armory! Bryn Gwlad [Name] Name reg in this spelling 6/99 via Ansteorra. [Device] 10/98 LoAR, Middle ret., cited in Jaelle bootleg prec. s.v. Field Division: Briana Fallon. Device. Argent, a rose proper, a schnecke issuant from sinister azure. This question was raised as to whether a schnecke was a charge or a field division. Just as you can have a field gyronny, while a gyron is a charge, you can have a field divided schneckenweise, or a schnecke as a charge. Therefore, this conflicts with Judith the Rose Argent, a damask rose slipped and leaved proper., with one CD for the addition of the schnecke. Note: while blazoned as a damask rose proper, it is in fact gules, and has been reblazoned as such on this month's letter of correction. Schnecke is categorized in the Ordinary only under Field Division--Other, which therefore appears misleading. Since I have no idea what a "field divided schneckenweise" might look like, I don't know whether the instant submission would be field-only and therefore conflict with any blue-and-white field-only armory (e.g., Daniel de Lincoln), or whether it's a charge, in which case the only two schneckes registered as of 3/00 were: Melusine of Windhill Wood (1/91), "Purpure, a schnecke issuing from sinister chief ermine, in chief two mullets counterchanged." And Peter Schneck (1/97), "Sable, a schnecke issuant from dexter chief argent." So it would be clear. I certainly don't have a clue; if nobody else does either, it's a "send it to Laurel and ask" case. [Kathri believes that a "field divided schnechenweise" would look like a "per fess" division with the schnecke rising in the middle, and that therefore this device has a charge. Her faintly remembered source was Fox-Davies or one of Gwenllian's books on continental armory.] Mari Elspeth nic Bryan [Name] The documentation here is incomplete. Need to add: Name registered 06/99 via Ansteorra. 1. COLLEGE ACTION: Device: Forwarded to Laurel. 2) Arabella of the Plains (Wastelands) Resubmitted name. Resubmitted device. Per bend wavy azure and vert between a bend wavy a mistral and a horse argent. Magnus von Lübeck [Name] Arabella - Withycombe page 29-30 under Arabella gives the name as Scottish. It dates from 1255 "Magdalen Laver was held by Arabella wife of John de Montpyncon" and Arabella Stuart dated (1575-1615). Plains - Reaney & Wilson, page 354 under Plain gives William de Planes from 1200 in Essex. Encarta World English Dictionary at http://dictionary.msn.com under Plains dates the word from the 13th century. This should clear up the problem that caused the return. [Device] Blazon as "Per bend sinister wavy azure and vert, a bend sinister wavy between a mistral contourny and a horse passant contourny argent." The horse posture needs to be blazoned. The narrow bend sinister is still a problem that may cause a Laurel return. Da’ud ibn Auda [Device] Either the emblazon has been reversed, or the field division, bend, mistral, and horse are all "sinister", "to sinister", or "contourny". Because the bend completely covers the line of division of the field, there is not way to tell whether or not it is "per bend wavy"; I recommend dropping "wavy" from the description of the field division. Per bend sinister azure and vert, a bend sinister wavy between a mistral contourny and a horse passant contourny argent. Francois la Flamme [Device] Clear; add sinister to the blazon. Northkeep [Name] Arabella is also found on p. 29 of Withycombe (3rd Ed.). Would like to see some documentation for the surname, but it should be acceptable based on commentary from the previous submission attempt (ILoI 1298). [Device] Suggest drawing the bend a bit wider. Reblazon: "Per bend sinister wavy azure and vert, a bend sinister wavy between a mistral contourny and a horse passant contourny argent." Bryn Gwlad [Name] To be precise, the name and device were listed as pended in both 2/99 and 3/99 (AGs 3/99 and 4/99), and no final disposition was shown. [Device] Did this device get reversed in scanning? [Nope.] 'Cause it's "Per bend sinister wavy azure and vert, a bend sinister wavy between a mistral contourny and a horse passant contourny argent". Maridonna Benvenuti [Name] Withycombe, s.n. Arabel(la)"…In 1255 Magdalen Laver was held by Arabella, wife of John de Montpyncon. The name occurs in the 13 C in the forms of Arable, Orable, Orabell. The Lady Arabella Stuart (1575-1615) was commonly called Arbell by her contemporaries…" R&W, s.n. "Plain, playne, plane: William de Planes, 1200; Roger Playne, 1293; Robert Playn, 1383. From Plasnes ." Hey, I won't quibble where it comes from. Mari Elspeth nic Bryan [Name] Arabella: Withycombe (3rd ed., p. 29 under Arabel(la)) dates "Arabella" to 1255 and "Lady Arabella Stuart" to "1575-1615". of the Plains: The documentation in the ILoI is, "Locative by name. No other information provided." This is not enough information to send the submission on to Laurel. Reaney & Wilson (354 under Plain) dates <William de Planes> to 1200, <Roger Playne> to 1293, & <Robert Playn> to 1383, and says that this name refers to the location "Plasnes (Eure)". As such, the particle "the" is not appropriate because this is not a toponymic. <Arabella de Plaines> or <Arabella of Plaines> should be registerable. 2. COLLEGE ACTION: Name: Forwarded to Laurel with agreement to drop "the" if necessary to register the name. Device: Forwarded to Laurel reblazoned as "Per bend sinister azure and vert, a bend sinister wavy between a mistral contourny and a horse passant contourny argent" with a note that submitter will be advised to draw the bend wider and the waves deeper. 3) Cunovinda ingen Coinnich (Northkeep) New name. Magnus von Lübeck [Name] The last name is a form you might still see in 13th century Gaelic. It would be difficult to translate Cunovinda from the 4th century to the 13th. If the name survived at all, I am not sure whether it would be in Gaelic or Welsh or how the spelling would change. If there is any concern about temporal problems with the name, earlier forms would be ingen Cainnech or inigena Cainnech (from Tangwystyl's article). Cunovinda - This is from "Some British Names in Roman Inscriptions" in The First Thousand Years of British Names by Tangwystyl www.panix.com/~mittle/names/tangwystyl/british1000.