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Volume V, Number 4 ~ NEACA.com 15 March 2005 Single Copy $2.50 ROBINSON RIFLES By Mark B. Cross ing rifles. However, Robinson some type of working relation- was smart enough to realize ship with Robinson to manu- Until 1971, little or noth- the potential for his new rifle. facture the 1870 Model Rob- ing had ever been written ac- At this time in his life, he inson Rifle. curately, about one of the first had neither the funds nor the The new rifle was said to three repeating rifles ever facilities to manufacture his be similar, in some respects, to manufactured. The rifles in new rifle in Upper Jay. For this the Model 1866 Winchester question had been made more reason, he needed and found and the Henry Rifles. It had than a century before this. some financial backers and lo- an ornate trigger guard, which They were designed, patented cated a factory in the Platts- extended rearward, causing it and produced by Orvill M. burgh, New York area, one to be often mistaken for a le- Robinson. Occasionally, a gun capable of mass-producing his ver action. The frame was A collection of Winchester lever action rifles, viewed by publication would have a terse rifle. Mr. A. S. Babbitt owned made in brass or iron. many to be the most popular longarm collectable. entry about the “Adirondack the factory, and he agreed to (continued on page 3) Arms Company” rifles, and indeed some were referred to Winchester Collection, as the “Babbitt” rifles. The Both Sides of the Table ...Can you still afford to build one? Winchester Repeating Arms By Cathy Petronis big fat monkey wrench. By David Petronis my collection as an example Company museum had one of In 1965 we lost a baby, for you. Build your own with these rifles on display, and had I’m sure everyone has lived something I as a mother The short answer to the what you like and can afford it wrongfully labled as a gun through trying times, going thought I would never get over headline question is yes. Then to spend.” with a “lever” action. right back to when we all were but in 1966 we had a healthy you might ask, what kind, at Let me state the obvious Robinson was a young lad kids. You can probably re- son. As adults we are also what cost and how many? and then continue. If you have of 15 years, when he left his member dreading a test in faced with the grief of losing Not too long ago a friend the money you can build a native State of Vermont, dur- school, going on a first date, our parents, some of us much asked if I thought be could still knock out collection of the ing the Civil War, to work in or fortunate of being anxious earlier than others, but we still put together a nice collection best there is. Your purpose the Remington Arms Com- on whether your wedding manage to overcome even that of Winchester rifles similar to may be just to do it and have pany plant, in Illion, New would be perfect. sadness and can look forward my own. Could they still be it or to create an investment York. When the war ended, Over the years we seem to to brighter things including found at a reasonable price? or to preserve something for he returned to his home, mar- be able to handle things more happy memories. My short answer to him was, posterity. All good enough ried and migrated across Lake easily and then life throws in a (continued on page 2) “Perhaps.” And I further reasons, I guess. But probably Champlain to the Adirondack stated, “don’t simply look at (continued on page 2) Mountains of northern New York. He eventually settled in the small hamlet of Upper Jay, Inside this issue - Our New Internet Issue New York and opened a Antique Firearms Information ...... page 2 By David Petronis copy, pictures, artwork and simple shop where he worked advertising, in house. Cathy, as a “wheelwright.” Political News and Views ...... page 7 On July 15, 1985, the our three wonderful helpers, With the equipment re- Show and Event Calendar ...... page 8 North-East Arms Collector our kids Denise, David and quired to run a successful op- and Journal was born with Scott and myself accomplished eration as a wheelwright, he Reenactment News ...... page 10 myself and wife Cathy, my all but the actual printing. also was equipped to do other daughter Denise and friend Every month for five years, types of work with metal and Tail of the Dragon ...page 12 Don Fangboner at the concep- then sporadically then we wood. In 1870, he was tion. By our fourth issue, the ceased in 1992. We just be- granted a patent on a new Arms Collectors Journal PO Box 385 ; 38 N. Main Street banner heading and name was came too exhausted and the “Breech Loading Repeating Mechanicville, New York 12118 changed to Arms Collectors kids had other lives to live. Rifle.” During this period 518-664-9743 Journal. We wrote, or man- And it’s hard to get help from there was a heavy demand for Mail To: aged to coax others into writ- kids you don’t pay! dependable firearms. Hunters, ing, the articles and prose. We We have missed the Jour- settlers traveling west and the typeset, developed film, reset nal, but not the tremendous military all needed good guns. and proofed the whole Jour- effort of its publication. On But the Spencer Rifle, fol- nal in house. We laid out, cor- deadline day, I was a terror! lowed by the Henry, had about rected and inserted the entire (continued on page 4) cornered the market on repeat- “NRA Hunters Drink Beer, Don’t Vote & Lie To Their Wives,” ...The Saga Explained ... Page 7 PAGE 2 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005 Both Sides (Continued from front page) by Journal Specialists In 1998 the monkey Questions about pre-1898 firearms for our specialists come wrench was a tornado that hit by mail and our NEACA.com website. Information requests our house (but not our home) about value must be accompanied by a $10.00 check and SASE. and after we got over the grieving, we focused on the re- Fully describe all marks and stampings on your firearm, also building. barrel length and condition. Basic information and value On September 11th, 2001 will be sent to you. Address check to Arms Collectors Jounal everything else we faced in life and mail to PO Box 385, Mechanicville, NY 12118 became pale and meaningless Q. A collector friend says his Smith & Wesson No. One in the grand scope of things. .22 caliber revolver is the first ever to use a metal cartridge For a week straight we did and is the forerunner of modern day revolvers. Was this not want to move from in front the first ever to use cartridges? of our televisions for fear we would miss a very important A. The Smith & Wesson Number One (First Issue) .22 caliber piece of news. We prayed revolver was the first revolver patented in the United States as along with everyone in the using a self-contained metal cartridge. (The ad shown here is country and across the world a page from an 1864 arms catalog. The gun at top is a .32 rim that there would be many sur- fire No. 2 model; the one below is the smaller .22 caliber No. vivors pulled from the rubble One.) This patent gave S & W exclusive right to produce but that was not to be. So such a revolver for many years, but at least one other revolver many children without parents, had been produced earlier that can claim the distinction of Q. The .32 rim fire revolver that is in my collection, looks so many families losing loved being the first to use a complete metal cartridge. That pistol just like a Smith & Wesson but is marked “L. W. Pond – ones, so many fine innocent was built by Eugene LeFaucheux of Paris, France. His father, Worcester, Mass.” It also has an 1860 patent date. Is this lives lost. Casimir, had produced metal pin-fire cartridges as early as a standard Smith & Wesson with a gun dealers name Buildings can be rebuilt, 1851. Eugene’s revolver was being used by the French Navy stamped on it? Americans are rebuilding their in 1853. The S & W No. 1 was not produced in America until patriotism and somehow all 1857. So it was the first successful cartridge revolver in A. Lucius W. Pond was a manufacturer of rim fire revolvers at those effected families will re- America, not in the world. It is unfortunate, but as in your the same time that Smith & Wesson was producing their famous build their lives. friend’s case, few collectors recognize the significance and im- pistols. His revolvers look very much like the S & W but are On Sunday, October 7th our portance of the work of Eugene LeFaucheux. Jack Mullen somewhat different. Unfortunately for Mr. Pond, his revolver President gave an order for infringed on the patent of the Smith and Wesson Company and attacks against our enemy and Q. The lock on my half-stocked percussion hunting rifle by court decision he was forced to give up their manufacture one of the countries harboring is marked “J. Smith, Newburgh.” I’ve never tried to find and turn over all of the pistols at his factory to S & W. Like those terrorists. To this day, I out who J. Smith was because there must be many Smiths you Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson also felt there was too much of find it difficult to comprehend who were in the gun business over the years. Can you a resemblance between Lucius Pond’s revolver and theirs. JM (Continued on page 6) help? A. You’ve ignored a very important clue. There may have Can You Build a Winchester Collection? been many J. Smiths in the gun business, but how many could (Continued from front page) in history, a mechanical ability you do, lady luck is really on have been from Newburgh? As it turns out, Jacob Smith of none my friend had in mind, and being in the right place at your shoulder, but I rather sus- Newburgh (New York) made guns and locks from 1856 to nor did he have money to burn, a particular time and some pect that the “find” will be one 1861. In 1859 to 1860 he built twenty-five rifles and made a position most close to real- luck. These are some of the of your everlasting “lessons” and sold $200 worth of gun locks. JM ity for the majority of collec- attributes that are part of my of this collecting endeavor. tors. Then I wondered, how make up. Your make up may That is not to say a “real did I start mine and why? be similar or different but deal” cannot still be found. Pictured above are some of something in your past expe- But remember, if it sounds too the lever actions in my own riences gives the desire to pur- good to be true it probably is. Winchester collection. The sue or do something today. The natural thing to say is, top is a Model 71, a newer You first have to have the pre- “first, read about what you version of the 1886 Winches- ponderance to collect then a want to collect.” Great advice, ter. The rest being 1892 mod- desire and an inner quality in the books in print today are els, including a takedown rifle pursuit of building what you outstanding. You can build a 2 Col x 5” Adv. = 10” Adv. = $60.00 ( $6.00 per inch ) and a carbine. If you added a want. Having some disposable collection of those alone. My model 1873, 1886, 1894 rifle income goes a long way to ful- own library is downright huge! and saddle ring carbine, you filling any of those traits. So, But what really happens is that have a pretty good lever ac- what about money? you find something, buy it and tion rifle collection, with less Today you can still build a then read about what’s in your than ten guns. Where to go nice collection on a shoestring lap. My suggestion is to try from there? Your choices are budget. It does take time, ef- to find out the basics of what almost endless, one of the fort and knowledge. It is get- you want to collect, by read- beauties of a beginning collec- ting much more difficult but ing of course, but also by view- tor and especially of guns by still possible. What is a nice ing the real things in shops, at Winchester. Or you can sim- collection? It is for you to de- shows or in friend’s collec- ply stop and enjoy them, or cide. This is reality; you will tions. You must garner knowl- possibly “upgrade” what you not find a near new model edge of your field, but you started with. Back to my com- 1873 on a dealer’s table at a can’t do it all from a book. ment, “build your own, with gun show for $500. You will And a mistake or two along what you want and like!” not find a mint model 1892 in the way is all part of the over- I think my meager collec- a gun shop for $1000, nor find all learning. We just don’t tion began because of my love an untouched model 1866 in a want to make too many. for the outdoors, my interest newspaper ad for $1500. If (Continued on page 11) SUBSCRIBE TO THE ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL PAGE 3 The Adirondack Rifles of Robinson (Continued from Page 1) these “ears” between the fin- In 1872, he applied for and PO Box 602 Tonawanda, NY 14151 Cartridges were loaded gers, pull them smartly to the was granted, a patent on an- through the bottom of the rear, which fed a fresh car- other “Improved Breech 585-865-5055 breech on some, or through a tridge from the magazine, into Loading Rifle.” Presumably, hinged port on the right side a carrier block. When the a decline in sales was a major Shooters' Committee On Political Education on others. It was made in cali- “ears” were pushed forward, factor for Robinson to seek to What part of “..shall not be infringed” don't bers .38 and .44 rim-fire. the live round was fed into the improve the 1870 model, due you understand? The majority of rifles had chamber. When the rifle was to complaints regarding its re- JOIN TODAY www.SCOPEny.org octagon barrels but some were fired and, again, the “ears” liability under conditions re- round. There are some re- pulled to the rear, a single quiring severe use. letters “P.T.” are found on all the files of the Board of Di- ported with half round and half hook type extractor removed The changes in the 1872 of the engraved models. An- rectors of the Winchester Cor- octagon type, although I have the fired case. A skilled opera- Model Rifle were primarily in other big change was in the poration. Mr. Winchester had never seen any. Magazines tor could thereby sustain a the action. The new action trigger guard, which was de- previously purchased the were of the tubular type, se- rapid rate of fire. operated by use of two small signed much like those of a Spencer repeating rifle, later cured by a single barrel band. One of the features found buttons at the top of the re- modern rifle. Also, some of known as the Henry and the They are found in half, three in the Robinson Rifle, not ceiver that acted as an operat- the 1872 models were known Model 1866 Winchester. He quarters and full length. Sights found in any of the other re- ing handle. The bolt was of to have been silver-plated. now was negotiating for his were brass or iron. No hand peaters, was the ability to use the toggle type and hinged in Robinson named the com- only other competitor of re- guards were the norm on the mixed ammunition. At the the middle and when pulled to pany, which consisted of him- peating firearms by purchasing 1870 model rifle. Stocks were time bullet heads were made a rearward position it proved self and his financial partners, the Robinson Company. mainly of cherry with some in in a conical shape or round. In to be smoother and more reli- the “Adirondack Arms Com- Almost nothing is known walnut, and fitted with cres- other repeaters, mixing the dif- able than the type in use on the pany,” located in Plattsburgh, of the sale of Robinson’s com- cent type metal butt plates. It ferent shaped cartridge heads 1870 model in spite of the fact New York. During the period pany to Winchester, except it is not unusual to find a metal would cause them to jam. The it was operated in much the 1872 to 1874, Mr., Babbitt, took place in 1874. No shield, with a game animal en- Robinson Rifle, however, in- same manner. When the small and the other owners of the amount is known but the Win- graved on same, inletted into cluded a feed system that al- bolt handle was moved rear- company were bought out by chester purchase was thor- the stock. lowed use of mixed shaped ward and forward manually, it Robinson, who then became ough and complete, including Operation of this rifle was bullet heads without the jam- performed the same function sole owner. patents, rifles in production accomplished by putting the ming problems. as the older model. Wooden Some time in 1874, Rob- and, apparently, a prohibition hammer in a half-cock posi- During the period from fore-ends were added to the inson must have been ap- against Robinson ever produc- tion, which unlocked the ac- 1870 to 1872, Orvill Robinson new models and more than a proached by Mr. Oliver Win- ing any more rifles. tion. A large set of metallic was busy designing a proto- few are found with engraving. chester himself regarding the Following the sale of the “ears” protruded from the ac- type of an improved version of No amount of research was sale of the Adirondack Arms Adirondack Arms Company, tion, and was found covering his first rifle. He completed able to determine the identity Company. This is speculated Robinson moved back to his both sides of the exposed ham- approximately 12 of these, of the engraver. What is by the fact that no record of home and family in Upper Jay, mer. The shooter had to grasp before settling on the final one. known, however, is that the this transaction is recorded in New York. He built a home there, which still stands today. He did make a few “one of a kind” rifles, one of which is pictured in this article. For whatever reason, Orvill Rob- inson left his family and moved for a short time to Bath, New York where he remarried. Another short period of time passed and he moved to Min- neapolis, Minnesota. Robin- son opened up a store at that location and sold violins, which he made himself. These musical instruments were of a high quality and obviously made him a comfortable living. He spent the remainder of his life in that area making and selling his violins. The 1870 and 1872 mod- els, invented and produced by Orvill Robinson, represent an important segment of firearm history. As is the case with many inventors, Robinson failed to reach the level of be- ing a famous gun maker. He was just another of the many thousands of inventors who tread the borderline of becom- ing famous, but for many rea- sons never quite made it to a full success. Like many other PHOTO OF SIDE of receiver showing 1870 model Robinson same location, however, it is marked, “Robinson Pat. APR. antique items, the Robinson Repeater and stamp indicting A.S. Babbit & Co. as manufac- 23-72 - Mfg. by Adirondack Arms Co. Plattsburgh, NY.” rifles represent an extremely turer. The 1872 models of this rifle all bear the stamp in the (Continued on page 11) ADVERTISE IN THE ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL PAGE 4 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005 Internet Issue Arms Collectors (Continued from front page) That I don’t miss, as I’m sure Journal my family doesn’t. Many, Copyright Oc 2005 by NEACA, Inc. many people still ask when are we bringing it back. Today, ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL, Northeast Edition you can see the result of our PO Box 385; 38 North Main Street, Mechanicville, NY 12118 ACJonLine.com ~ Phone: 518-664-6071, Fax: 518-664-9743 resurrection of the old and cre- ation of the new, Arms Col- The Arms Collectors Journal is published each Month on lectors Journal. the 15th by subscription for $30.00 per year mailed First This new effort is not be- Class to the Continental US. Send to above address. cause we have more time but Application to mail at Second Class postage rates is because we can do today what pending at Mechanicville, NY 12118. Postmaster : we couldn’t do then. Instead Send address changes to above address. of typesetting, developing and DAVID PETRONIS ~ Publisher & Editor In Chief manual layout on expensive CATHY PETRONIS ~ Advertising & Subscription Manager and quite temperamental Compugraphic Typesetters, Incidentally, Cathy has a we have the computer and few openings for new income desktop publishing software. NEACA Member Message tax preparation clients due to The time spent is much less By David Petronis uled our show a week earlier and I usually manage to sell a few departed vacancies. If while accomplishing even to relieve the pressure off pretty well also. We only have you are paying an arm and leg more. Isn’t technology grand? I hope this New Year President’s week-end. About room for about 50 eight-foot for service rest easy that she Today the staff consists of brings continued growth in our 40 six-foot tables will again be tables so first come first only requires a normal fee and Cathy and me. But now we wallets and diminished stature available for our exhibitors on served. The VFW treats us sends electronic returns also. can create a 16 page tabloid in in the posterior it rests upon. Sunday, February 12th. Per- well with good food and avail- Twenty odd years experience print, a standard 8 ½” X 11" Rather than the other way haps we can revive our Toy able drink. It is a gun com- and considerable help to a magazine of innumerable round if a certain John had to Show for the Saturday of that pany area and has been for the number of you dealers already pages and an Internet readable, wake up each morning facing week-end. last two hundred years with should put her on top of your downloadable web PDF paper an uncertain Teresa in the The following month is our Savage Company of Utica and list for income tax preparer. all at the same time. We can White House boudoir. Life is Saratoga Show, March 19 and Remington in Illion. Flyer is Don’t call on April 5th though write, proof and correct in the good after all. 20 week-end and it will be an- also in mail. Incidentally, don’t – we are booked till the end. computer. Articles and stories I thought the new boy wait- other sellout, this being the lose them – I’m not sending Our www.NEACA.com can be e-mailed into our com- ing in the wings was the next seventh in a row. Always our out another. website had 1,006,233 hits in puter where they can be man- Gun Show savior but I hear best attended show and a Again we’ll be in Platts- December, first month we aged simply and efficiently. much displeasure from the money-maker for our dealers. burgh at the Knights of Co- broke the million mark. It has The hard part was getting rank and file. When I hear, Flyer is being sent and I sug- lumbus Hall on Boynton Av- been doing quite well but I started again and to make the “Better than nothing” I guess gest your response for tables enue. About the same time as need more guns and stuff for commitment. it means I’d better dust off be immediate for those of you last year, the show will be on my Hudson River Trading We have hundreds of past some old locations and revive not already deposited. Please April 30 and May 1 with a Fri- Company business on the site. articles we wish to resurrect. a few shows. Upstarts come note the upcoming dates for day set-up this time. We were So, I’m going to accept con- Some of the authors have since and go like the seasons. the year as there has been a full last year and had a real nice signments at 20% commission passed away and we wish to Right to the point, on Feb- change from the norm. We are show. Some great stuff but the items have to be in my remember them. Some of our ruary 20th we were at Lake also adding an Antique Arms walked in and I believe all the store where I can see and feel contributors of stories and col- George, NY during their busy Fair on Fathers Day week-end, dealers did fine. I’m sure it will them. I have buyers for fine umns have been or will be con- Winter Carnival Festival. The June 18 and 19. sell out soon. The flyer is also guns and quality militaria. Go tacted to renew their efforts. Holiday Inn, with their new The month of April will in the mail. to the site and have a look. New people will be ap- management, treated us won- find us back in Herkimer, New As usual, you all should Also, we are very close to proached to create and add derfully, as had been our ex- York on April 9 & 10 with Fri- know by now that I accept getting our Arms Collectors new insights. As Mr. Bill perience over past years. day set-up. This has always deposits for all these shows, Journal on-line. It may be O’Reilly asks, if you wish to Next year we have sched- been a fine show for buying you don’t have to send in the ready by early March if all goes “opine,” please do so. Letters full amount for things four well. On line subscriptions for of commentary and questions months down the line. But I $12.00 a year and first class, are always welcome. do like to know who is plan- tabloid size mail at $24.00. We Many persons helped, sup- ning on coming so send in your also need advertisers. Similar ported and contributed to our application with a few bucks format to the old Journal. Journal in those years past and and pay the balances prior to Lots of things going on this we are grateful. Many bud- two weeks of the show date. year so I hope you all stick ding authors got into print be- We’ll see what we develop around with memberships, cause of it. Much praise and for June and beyond with a take tables at our shows and comment was received be- new mailing in April or so. If check the website. We’ve had cause of our hometown, earthy you haven’t renewed your our fraternity of individualists style. We hope to continue the 8” adv. $48.00 memberships I suggest send- for over twenty years now and venue and the style. In this ing it in so you can benefit I hope we all make it another new age of technology and from the reduced table costs. twenty. Good hunting. twenty-first century thoughts, we’re still a little “old fash- ioned.” And remain we shall. We did our political views $18.00 3 inch and reported the “gun worthy” BUYS DISPLAY news. I editorialized, patron- ized and visualized to mem- THIS ADV. ! bers and subscribers. Cathy viewed her table from both (Continued on page 5) SAY YOU SAW IT IN THE ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL PAGE 5 Our New Internet Issue Some Taxing Thoughts... by Cathy Petronis (Continued from page 4) Journal and putting that up on The beginning of each year have out of pocket expenses tain a statement from the bank sides. The “Fang” “techno- our web pages could cut the is dreaded by some and wel- that reach over 7.5% of your indicating what the interest is cized” his military answers and time frame scenario in half. comed by others. It all de- adjusted gross income. I’m being paid for. reviewed tomes sent. Jack We’re actually beginning to pends on whether you may sure we’re all thankful if we Many of us make cash con- Mullen answered for antiques talk real advertising potential. have to pay taxes or anticipate don’t have high medical ex- tributions and never think while Bill Holbein catered to We’ll keep you all informed. a refund. penses. So, this is just our twice about getting a receipt. fishing collectors. While things But we still need our first of- For taxpayers whose busi- beginning of taxing thoughts Whenever possible write a “Overheard at the Frog Pond” ficial subscriber and many ness is set up as a corporation, for the new year. check. If you give clothing or rocked us off our chairs. more thereafter. there’s a bit more pressure. New for the 2004 tax year household items to the Salva- Stories of soldiers, artillery, You should start seeing our Corporation tax returns must is the ability to deduct state tion Army or other charitable guns and trapping abounded. 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We hope papers” are actually printed. you might have paid in 2003, travel trailer and financed it, dard mileage deduction that I to at least break even with its’ So 5000 Journals can be read mortgage interest, interest on you may be able to claim the mentioned above, you can al- cost. So, future subscribers by fifteen thousand people if home equity loans, cash and interest paid as mortgage in- ternate between that and the and advertisers, we will be they are distributed properly. non cash contributions before terest on a vacation home. actual expenses incurred each coming for you. Naturally, distribution by sub- you get into the miscellaneous The rules state that if it has year to give you the best de- My thoughts had been scription is what Cathy and I deductions. Medical deduc- sleeping quarters, cooking fa- duction. 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You can learn Brian Perazone is a Major You can find the true story sionally peeking around 15%. about the on-line version and in the United States Army and of what is now and has been $18.00 That relates to about “30,000 how you can subscribe, adver- in Command of A Company, going on within the country of BUYS Visits” a month and by next tise or tie in a link to your web 414th Cavalry Battalion now Iraq. His latest excerpt was hunting season we could eas- site by going to NEACA.com on station in the “Green Zone” published on our web site on THIS ily be generating 100,000 vis- or to ACJonLine.com. in the newly liberated, Free February 22nd and he tells of its. That is akin to having sev- I hope you enjoy our re- Country of Iraq. He and his the recent elections. You can 3 inch eral million people walk by newed effort to bring you our men, along with 200,000 or so see photos of shops and DISPLAY your front door and one hun- Journal. Show it to your other brave and daring US schools; of people working, dred thousand of them coming friends. I know we’re going Army, US Marine, US Air shopping and living a better ADV. ! in for a look every month! to enjoy bringing it back and Force, US Coast Guard and life than they were under the Really not too bad since we publishing our new Arms Col- US Naval personnel have Baathist regime of Saddam started from nothing about two lectors Journal both in print earned their place in history Hussein. He sent a story about years ago. The onset of our and on the internet. and in the hearts of Freedom (Continued on page 15) SUPPORT ADVERTISERS IN THE ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL PAGE 6 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005 NEACA by David Petronis Both Sides LETTERS to of the Table EDITORIAL by Cathy Petronis the EDITOR Nearly twenty years ago I attempted my first Editorial for (Continued from page 2) what was then our brand new Journal. I envisioned what we why there were protesters in David Petronis, hoped to do with our paper, looking forward to good and gran- our country. I know they have I would like to thank you for returning my phone call in diose things. Years later I find we have accomplished many of every right to do it but are they regards to the Albany gun show. I realize that it’s not one those aspirations, failed in a few but, have in general traveled so naive that they think if we you sponsor, and yet you were kind enough to fill me in on a wonderful journey. My intent now, was to find an aspiring play ostrich and stick our the dates. Regrettably, I was unable to attend due to a conflict topic of interest in this editorial rebirth, or one that pertained heads in the sand that the ter- of scheduling. Perhaps I may catch the next one. I will to our troubled times or that might be so inspiring it would rorism will stop? attempt to find out when your shows are happening, astound my readers. But, as I gleaned over a good sectional I have had a difficult time particularly the Saratoga show. layer of our prior issues, I couldn’t help but remember our dealing with news about an- So till then, happy collecting. own past; my journey along with my wife and partner, Cathy, thrax and planes that have Thanks Again, pursuing this fascinating and wonderful hobby of arms col- landed as fast as they took off Gary Johnson, North River, NY lecting. And of our writings, rantings and revelry that became because of incidents of pos- our Arms Collectors Journal. sible terrorism. Editor: It’s nice to be nice… and then thanked it’s even In reading past writings of my own and Cathy’s “Both Sides I came to the realization nicer. Look for our schedule in your mailbox. of the Table” insights, I remembered people I’d forgotten, re- recently that what really has called pleasant memories with friends while also reminded of me in the mood I’m in is be- ******* the tribulations we all face in business and in life. I reviewed a cause I felt let down by our story of a good portion of our life; experiences shared, visits government prior to the Sep- Dear Dave, made, places we’ve been, even what fine restaurants we found. tember 11th attacks. Partisan Just a note to tell you that the Thompson Center .54 But most of all I saw the lives of people we touched; or politics are not the thing to caliber Hawken performs beautifully. It hits center at 150 rather, I was reminded of the many fine folks who had entered pursue at this time but some- yards with a .435 grain conical bullet. our lives and thus generated many warm memories. Of course, where along the line our de- I have always enjoyed your gun shows and hope you fare in our journey I was also reminded of how naive we were fenses dropped. But then I well and beyond. when we began and of some memories not so fine. realized that we all should My Best to you and Cathy, Overall, however, I felt this feeling of accomplishment; that have been more vigilant. We Steve Shako, Brentwood Farm, Schoharie, NY our publication journey brought insight, knowledge and joy to have become so comfortable our subscribers and readers. This, we want to continue. with our freedoms that we’ve Editor: I am very happy that your new Hawken works well. I tried to treat my editing and composition of our Journal taken them for granted. Thank You! as reality in our lives. In keeping with our stated title I needed I’ve also realized that, as stories about collecting arms; that is, firearms, blades and mili- we’ve been hearing from tary accoutrements. 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IF YOU’RE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM 15 MARCH 2005 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL PAGE 7 Will Cuomo’s ‘Inartful’ Remark Our Gallant Military By David Petronis By Cathy Petronis Viet Nam Memorial in Wash- Awake the Sleepy Lion? ington, DC and searched for (This article is a re-print from of a lengthy interview regard- it possible, however, that the I was born during World his name on the wall. It was our first Journal but history ing New York State’s manda- Governor actually feels that War II to a family very famil- chilling to find it. seems repetitive so a current tory seat belt law, I was asked way about NRA hunters and iar with the military. My old- This fighting occurring in reading shows how time really to characterize some of the beer drinkers and that being est brothers were serving in the the world today seems quite changes very little.) bitter correspondence sent to 3,000 miles away from New Pacific Theater and didn’t different. It isn’t always sol- me by opponents of this law, York did not guard his remarks (meet) me until I was two. diers in uniform that our I find it truly amazing how the first such law in the nation. about the state seat belt law? Two more brothers served American troops are facing. someone could alienate so My res-ponse was Inartful and And his forceful push to raise in the Navy during the Korean The majority of battles are many people with so few could leave a false impression the state drinking age from 19 War and my youngest brother against faceless terrorists, ani- words. Imagine for a moment of dis-respect for the National to 21 is therein an indication was drafted and served in the mals who are too gutless to the conceivable amount of Rifle Association and its many of contempt for beer drinkers? Army just before Vietnam. show their faces. feelings that can be touched by members. I regret that. I Was his push for the seat belt Intertwined in those years one The respect I have for our the words, “NRA Hunters, would not like to be perceived law an indication of possible brother-in-law was in the troops is immeasurable. We Who Drink Beer, Don’t Vote as disparaging any large future restraints he wishes to Army, one in the Sea-Bees and must all let them know how And Lie To Thier Wives.” group. That would be unin- put on the people of New one in the Navy. much we appreciate what they First, “NRA”: About three telligent and unfair. I certainly York, or of the population in I can only imagine the an- are doing and that we do real- million nationally, 200,000 or don’t agree with all of the general in 1988? Questions I guish my parents felt while my ize why they are fighting. so in New York State. Sec- many public policy positions of would certainly like answered brothers were serving. I was While they are in the streets ond, “Hunters”; you’ll have the NRA, nor would I expect if I was a voter, but I’m an too young to realize but I do and alleys far from home, bat- to pick your own figure, some- that your members would NRA member and you know remember waiting for my two tling to protect us from new where around 60 million. agree with all of mine.” what they do. middle siblings to come home terrorist attacks, they also Third, “Who Drink Beer.” I He goes on to say, “I have around the holidays. I was old teach people of other countries wouldn’t touch that figure also enclosed a transcript from enough to know by then that how to fight for the freedoms with a ten-foot pole. How the opening of a statewide ra- This article was my lead they were my heroes. that we enjoy and sometimes about, “Don’t Vote.” That’s dio call-in show in which I political story in our First Is- I was married and we take for granted. an easy answer, if you’re a participate each month. At the sue of our tabloid “North East started a family. During the In our great country of politician, who cares! “Lie To start of the April 18 program, Arms Collector and Journal” Viet Nam War we lived in a these United States we have Thier Wives?” Our women I took some time to publicly then to be our new Arms Col- development in Bay Shore, all been bequeathed the right don’t expect us men to lie to correct any misimpression cre- lectors Journal. I penned it New York, which is on Long and privilege of agreeing or them, do they? Well, I lost ated by my remark.” The ra- almost twenty years ago but I Island near where I grew up. disagreeing with anything we count of the alienated masses dio transcript reads in part, “I was amazed at how some We had the experience of wit- want, all without fear of gov- anyway so the number of was quoted somewhere as dis- things seem never to change. nessing first hand the grief of ernment retribution. This, our people who don’t wear seat paraging if you will, National Recently Mario Cuomo’s son losing a loved one in combat. legacy, was given by our men belts doesn’t matter and what Rifle Association Members. Andrew had his hopes set on Our next door neighbors’ son and women who went in harms about that sleeping lion? Con- Somebody took a quote of following in father’s footsteps. was first listed as missing in way. Their fight was for us. fused? Well, read on. mine about use of seat belts No doubt his politics and per- action and then 24 hours later Remember to keep our The lion, naturally is rep- and I don’t remember the ex- haps his future policies were the family was notified that he Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and resentative of the mass of vot- act quote, but it was some- strongly influenced by the past was a casualty of the war. Airmen in your hearts and ers, who could be agitated by thing like the Governor saying, Governor. And perhaps An- Years later, in 1998 to be prayers as you enjoy the free- remarks made by NY Gover- ‘Well, the guys who don’t use drew perceives the NRA, its’ precise, our family visited the doms of this great Nation. nor Mario Cuomo, that were the seat belt are NRA people members and hunters, in the by his description, “Inartful.” who go hunting and lie to their same light as my article about Whatever that means (“Artful” wives about where they are his father. FANG’S ADVICE is tricky and crafty). The and are drinking beer some- Today in New York State catchy phrase was used in an where in the woods.’ Now, I we have the seat belt law, you interview about NY State’s regret very much that if any- must be 21 to drink, the NRA to the COLLECTOR seat belt law while the NY body took that to mean a con- has more than the three mil- EDITOR’S NOTE: Through the years Don Fangoner has Governor was about as far demnation of all NRA mem- lion members and it took a ter- been Curator of several Museums or Historic Sites and away from the Empire State as bers because I certainly don’t rorist event in September of has been asked many questions. he can get and still seek sup- mean that.” He continues, “I 2001 to perhaps once again He is quite knowledgeable on many military and fire- port for a possible Presiden- wouldn’t want to be perceived awake the sleeping lion; the arms subjects and, through this Journal, will attempt to tial bid in 1988. The Los An- as disparaging any whole combined mass of each answer your queries about them. He knows where and geles Times reported the re- group. That’s unintelligent individual’s intellect. This how to find an answer for you. Send questions to Don, in marks in April and the kettle and if that’s the way this ban- awakening of the thought pro- care of “Fang’s Advice” and enjoy his column. has been brewing since. Mr. tering quote was heard, then I cess that germinates in each of Cuomo has sent an apologetic very much regret it.” our minds may be the one posi- Here’s a question we didn’t print from our first Journal. letter to then National Rifle If I were a politician, I cer- tive aspect, if there could be Association President, Mr. tainly wouldn’t want to be per- any, from a tragedy with such Dear Don, Howard Pollock on April 22. ceived as treating any large a scope. Perhaps enabling the Q. I have a Japanese helmet from the war but it is In it he explains, “In the course group with contempt either. Is unresponsive electorate to in- light weight, olive drab in color and has a woven like liner. quire, to think, to act and to What is it? use that newfound knowledge to exercise their right and duty A. Well, you have the famous Japanese work helmet. to vote responsibly. As I said From the photos you sent I saw that there was no place for a so many years ago about vot- star or other insignia. I owned one that was taken from a 2 col x 2’ = 4” Adv. $24.00 ing, I’m still a NRA member work crew after they were discovered in a cave on one of the and you probably know what Pacific Islands. It was given to me by the veteran who liber- I do. Recently, one of the ated it. The tell tale identifying mark was the liner that was other liberal clones discovered almost like a pot-holder type of open weave, attached crudely what a lot of our people do to the inside. The helmet was about half the weight of the behind closed voting drapes. regular infantry one and very crude in construction. SUBSCRIBE TO THE ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005 ARMS COLLEC

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RE-ENACTMENT NEWS NEACA BOOK tory enactors will be on site NYS Capital District with a period military encamp- Living History Events ment and display area. The REVIEW event will also have food ven- By Chris Petronis dors on site as well as various U.S. Army European Theater of Operations - dealers in military vehicle parts COLLECTORS GUIDE ~ by Henri-Paul EnJames Billed as the Armed Forces and general militaria. All pro- Publisher – Historie & Collections, 2004 Weekend May 21 and 22, The ceeds from admission will go Price: $44.95 ~ 9”x 12” ~ HC, Color Gloss, 272 pgs. Empire State Aerosciences to the non-profit ESAM. ISBN: 2-913903-87-8 Museum in conjunction with Some items of special in- the Hudson-Mohawk Military terest that will be on display This excellent product by French author and collector, Vehicle Preservation Assoc. includes a restored M-7 Priest Henri-Paul EnJames, will certainly become the standard will host “Wings, Wheels and Self Propelled Gun and Sher- reference book for collectors of WWII USA G.I. web gear, Tracks.” This event will com- man Tank. Memorial Day Parade and insignia and equipment. In fact, booksellers of collector ref- bine the impressive aircraft The show will run Satur- Display, Town of Nassau erences on militaria have told us this was one of the best selling exhibit of the museum with day from 9:00am to 5:00pm books of 2004. over 35 military vehicles from and on Sunday from 9-3. 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VITTLES .... so you can discover all the fas- cinating aspects of World War The Bowie Knife ~Unsheathing an American Legend Two re-enacting. They have by Norm Flayderman ~ Published by Andrew Mowbray put together a myriad of links Lincoln, RI, 2004 and information. And please Price: $79.95 ~ 9”x 12” ~ Hard Cover, DJ, 512 pgs inform them you saw it in our ISBN: 1-931464-12-X Arms Collectors Journal. The Bowie Knife; it can be pictured as the long clip point by John Ferrannini, Public blade with rugged handle as the original maker, Jim Bowie, Cathy Petronis Relations Director for the 24th himself or a long thin double edged blade with fancy silver Regiment of Foote will be at molded hilt or a folding blade housed between slabs of brass OLD FASHIONED HUNTER’S DINNER the March 19 and 20 Saratoga and ivory, all can be different but all are known as bowie knives. How to Turn a Bunny Into a Tasty Meal Springs, NY Arms Fair in the Amid this confusion, mystery and story telling, the most City Center. The 24th is a re-nowned of antique arms authors, Norm Flayderman, pierces This recipe is from the “American Weekly Household Revolutionary War reeancting the folklore and relates to his readers the true story of the Almanac” circa 1930’s. unit that is headquartered in Bowie and its place in American history and its use in expanding Saratoga. They will be in pe- civilization upon our continent. “Whenever some one brings in a rabbit,” writes Mrs. riod dress and man a table at The collecting of some type of martial arm must always William Fisher, Jr., La Salle, Illinois, “you may be sure that the show for the purpose of re- have been a part of history – even with ancient man, if only to Old-Fashioned Hunter’s Dinner will be on the day’s menu.” cruiting for the Regiment. accumulate an assortment of one or many weapons, simply for Here is the way that it is made: protection and defense. Haphazardly this collecting became a SEND US EVENT INFO sign of power and superiority and became relegated to the rich Cut a 3-lb. Rabbit in pieces for serving. Place in a and most powerful men of early to recent history. Norm kettle with 5 or 6 minced onions, a bit of bay leaf, ½ cup minced We are always seeking in- Flayderman was among the first collectors and dealers to bring celery, ½ tablespoon salt. Cover with cold water and allow to formation about upcoming order to this amalgamation of warring objects. First, with his cook slowly until almost tender, or about 2 to 3 hours. Add 2 events, or living history pre- dealer catalogs and then his authoritative books on American cups diced carrots, 8 quartered potatoes, a few grains of pepper. sentations, re-enacting dis- arms collecting and its’ evolutions as, Flayderman’s Guide to Continue cooking gently until vegetables are tender. Thicken plays or where to find new Antique American Firearms. Like Thomas Edison who with 3 tablespoons flour, blended with 3 tablespoons cold water. things related to the hobby. harnessed electricity, a force that was always present in nature, Add 1 tablespoon finely chopped parsley and serve immediately. Norm Flayderman gave us order in the field of arms collecting. Serve with hot baking powder biscuits, or we sometimes serve BOOKS FOR REVIEW With the gained knowledge of over fifty years of handling with dumplings, made as follows: antique arms, he brings forth what will be the definitive treatise Take 1-cup flour, 2 teaspoonfuls baking powder, pinch CAN BE SENT of Bowie Knife history and will undoubtedly further this art of of salt, sifted together, beat 1 egg till light. Add egg and enough IN CARE OF THE collecting for years to come. This latest in his books is a must milk to make a stiff batter. Drop by spoonfuls on top of meat, for the serious student of the subject or for anyone interested let rise, and then put on lid and cook about 15 minutes longer. ARMS COLLECTORS in American expansion history or lore. Superbly done both in They will be very light and fluffy. This dinner is fit to serve a JOURNAL printing, prose and pictures, this new book captures the Bowie king. That’s the way it was in the good ol’ days. knife and places it in its’ rightful realm of history. SUBSCRIBE TO THE ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL PAGE 11

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vernier tang sight lends a won- collectors with well-healed derful silhouette to the wall. bank accounts. To me, it just looks nice and I In other countries this one have a strong fondness for it great criteria of condition is Continued from page 3) and the circumstance. Makes not foremost. Rarity, histori- limited edition of what might what someone is willing to pay son of Robinson, Mr. Paul a wonderful addition to my cal association, esthetics, de- have been a historical break- for it. No more, no less! Due Robinson of Upper Jay, New collection. Would it all hap- sirability all can be reasons for through into the world of suc- to the limited production of the York where he operated a pen again today? Probably perceived collectability. But in cess and fortune. At present, two models of Robinson’s store and gun shop. Mark not. But there will be some- any part of the world, put they only represent a quality Rifles, which probably was less Cross was the owner and op- thing else that occurs. Things those attributes together and item of New York State vin- than 1500 total, these rifles erator of the M&M Gun & happen, they always do. you have the “holy grail” of tage, about which very little is offer a choice collectible. Sports Shop, Inc., of AuSable Some guns will cost you collector guns. known. Most certainly they are a prime Forks, NY. He was a retired relatively little, others quite a Condition is important for Only in recent years, have piece of historical evidence NY State Police Officer and an bit. Buy what you like, tem- three reasons. Shootable con- books on antique firearms from the Adirondack Moun- early member of the New East- pered with your gained knowl- dition makes your gun func- listed the rifles of Orvill M. tains of New York State. In coast Arms Collectors Asso- edge you will begin to see a tional as a tool. Fine looking Robinson. Flayderman’s the right situation the rifles of ciation as well as other gun collection grow. What kind of condition, or bluing, makes it “Guide to Antique Firearms,” O. M. Robinson might well related organizations. Mark collection? No one can tell pleasing to the eye and affords third edition, lists these rifles have been world famous as wrote other articles for our you. And it all depends on protection to the metal. Ex- as being worth $750 to $1000. well as a gun collector’s Journal, this was his first and where you go, what you find cellent condition, or like new, The sixth edition of “Blue dream. The problem with this we printed it in 1985. The and how much money you brings a certain rarity to an old Book of Gun Values” by S. J. is that what might have been, facts remain the same. The want to spend. item that conveys the well Fjestad, shows the guns of the is a loser to what really hap- gun shops are gone, the val- I could have said invest, but cared for or thoughtfulness of “Adirondack Arms Company” pened. ues are higher and the guns are your collection should first be its prior owners and is a con- valued at $605 to $2310 for even scarcer. Mark was my what you want. If it happens dition people can appreciate 1870 models and $495 to (Editor’s note:) The au- friend, his passion for the A- that a few buys are also an in- and will pay dearly to own. $2200 for the 1872 models. thor of this article had a de- dirondacks was foremost, and vestment for future earnings You can make a table of While publications regarding tailed story published about he loved guns and shooting. on dollars spent today, that will variants to the above and in- gun values are important to the the Rifles of O. M. Robinson Sadly, Mark Cross passed be great. Don’t count on it. clude “restored” in your list, collector, they are most valu- in major gun publications. He away in September of 2001. My shop is full of investments but it all comes back to the able as a guide only. It has had seen many of these rifles His memory will live on in our other people thought they three above. And remember, been my observation and ex- and was furnished information Journal with future reprinted made. When and if you need condition is all in your own perience that any gun is worth and data from the great-grand- articles. “pork chop” money out of one perception, all in your own of your darling collectable in- values in what you want and vestment pieces, you are go- eventually, what you are will- Can You Build a Winchester Collection? ing to find out what your gun ing to pay for. Continued from page 2) an acquaintance came up be- The stock was at least three X is really worth. A distressed Yes, you can still build an I can’t remember the last side me, put a rolled newspa- burled walnut, a few nicks here sale makes a depressed seller. equitable collection today for gun I found at a garage sale. per under the table and told me and there. The large barrel I can’t help the little giggle a reasonable amount of money. Other guys tell me of great to give him $75. “For what,” was split and open (I’ve since when I recall my friend Dave And with some effort spent to finds. The ones I pass must I asked? “Just give me the had it pressed together) about Harris uttering something like, acquire knowledge and in do- be the ones they visit. Gold is money, you’ll be glad you did. one third the way up and the “If you think you can get more ing the footwork you will en- still “where you find it,” I sup- And you’ll double it in no loading tube was missing. for that, bring it to the super- joy the finds that create your pose. I also suggest you start time.” Or something very Case colors were evident on market and see if you can get collection. Interests do change stopping at them “and ask” similar was actually spoken. I the receiver but mostly turn- pork chops.” as well as purpose, so may when you do. Same rule for got quite busy and an hour or ing silvery. The almost black, Not to infer that what you your collection. You will estate sales. If you think you so later I finally opened the brass feeding mechanism had buy won’t maintain or realize probably sell a few of the trea- can get a good buy at the lo- package. A Winchester deluxe a “50” stamped into the bot- a value when and if you go to sures you couldn’t live with- cal auction remember, there model 1876 appeared. The tom. Now, a Winchester col- sell your guns, in fact they out to either upgrade condi- are plenty of other “collectors” only problem was that its 26" lector knows what this is and probably will. And, if you buy tion or differing interests. But, out there thinking the same octagon barrel was split! even a novice could tell from right, can make very good in- when you become a collector, way. And perils await those About the same time my friend its outward appearance that vestments. But this story is you no doubt will continue as who believe the consignors returned and asked whether I this gun is probably not too about collecting, not investing. one as long as the things you simply don’t want their guns was pleased. Money well bad a deal for $75.00. In itself, that’s another whole own still give you satisfaction anymore. The best deals come spent, I agreed. “Where did I still have that gun. Turns new game. and pleasure. When this when you least expect, out of you find this?” “It’s been in a out to be a deluxe, 1876 rifle, What about condition, wanes, move on. Let another the blue and by sheer luck. cellar for years and I just got 3rd model, in .50-95 express what’s that? Someone once budding novice build his or her The rest of your collection will it from a widow cleaning caliber. Only about 10,000 said, there’s nothing more own collection in another time probably come from a dealer house,” was his reply. It was ‘76’s were made, that is rela- valuable than the amount of and place. Then, perhaps you know or an acquaintance. dirty, full of grime and dusty tively few, not many in .50 cali- blue on an old Colt, or similar you’ll start another. Quite a number of years but the parts alone were well ber and very few of those in prose. Meaning, of course, the ago I was at my table at the worth the money. I thanked deluxe configuration. So, more close to new, the more Have a Story? Saratoga Springs, New York him for the gift. what about the barrel and desirable, the more money. Gun Show, involved in some A few days later at my shop such? Still sits pretty much the However, this may be an Send it to ACJ transaction I can’t recall, when I started cleaning the grime. way I got it. The long-range anomaly found in American ADVERTISE IN THE ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL PAGE 12 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005 Tail of the Dragon ... the Burgoyne Campaign By Hal Sheehan had promised he would deliver In addition, there were 4000 They lived off the rations given rendered when the Continen- to those who opposed him or German mercenaries who had them by soldiers who were tal Militia and Regulars Kettledrums thumped. refused to flock to his King. neither a liking for England nor willing to share. After the sur- stormed the British fortifica- They beat a deep echoing ca- The mighty tail of this a dislike for America. They render at Saratoga, it is pre- tions and took them away. dence. The quick stepping dragon moved slowly, rested did well the job for which they sumed that many of these As he looked up at the British Grenadiers picked up and made its way laboriously were paid and their paymaster women died on the field of American position on the for- the beat, their scarlet coats, through the tall prairie grass in this case was the British. battle as bodies of women tified Hudson River bluffs at drenched in a high noon sun, which was now beginning to One hundred Hesse Hanau were found on the battlefield, Bemis Heights, Burgoyne was added bright reds to the spec- give way to a heavy forest Artillerymen, who had been many with their aprons filled still cocky. Confident he still trum of flying flags and regi- which was split by a narrow pressed into service, marched with cartridges. Other bodies had a powerful tail that could mental banners. The sun logging road. One hundred on foot because the English found in the woods were never blast these farmer-rebels from sparkled off the bright helmets thirty-seven of the finest can- had taken their cannon away explained. their log enclosures, he real- of the German Dragoons. It non ever assembled on the in Montreal. Several hundred Of such was Burgoyne’s ized that he couldn’t do it from reflected from the highly pol- American continent brought Canadian and American vol- powerful dragon as it wound the River Road. Up there, on ished arms and highlighted the up Burgoyne’s rear. It was unteers made up the rest of this slowly south from Montreal. the bluffs, American cannons burnished artillery lumbering England’s finest artillery, siege serpent’s belly. SEPTEMBER 19, 1777 frowned down on him and along in the rear. and field guns and mortars, all THE DRAGON’S HEAD dared the arrogant English Mercenaries with clay of which were fine tuned to a On September 19, when commander to his Armaged- greased pigtails sweated. The deadly pitch. General Simeon Frasier, Johnny Burgoyne arrived at don, through the narrow river bands of their gorgets choked. “Artillery Lends Dignity” Burgoyne’s finest officer, com- Saratoga and looked up from road gates of hell between the The white crossed belts across manded the crack advanced the Hudson River Road to the river’s muddy flats and the their chests were drawn too Burgoyne believed, “Artil- guard units, which made up heavily fortified American de- bluffs. tight and checked their breath- lery lends dignity to what oth- the head of this dragon. Its’ fenses of Bemis Heights, he Contempt for Colonials ing. Their gaiters were dusty erwise might become a vulgar eyes and forked tongue were could count only forty- two of white now and much too tight. brawl.” Magnificent, best de- the few hundred savages his original cannon. He had three choices; risk Then there was the heavy brass scribed the General’s artillery strung out ahead in the woods, He lost four of those decimation on the narrow river ornamentations and the tall as his army left Canada. His whom Burgoyne had threat- shortly at Bennington where road, fight the homespun clad hats with the bronze shields were beautiful pieces, al- ened to turn loose on the set- the Germans, under Colonel farmers in the woods on top and the long swords which though he had been urged not tlers. Actually, these natives Henrich Breyman, met disas- of the Heights or pick up his trailed in the dust, all of which to take many of the larger guns had no real stomach for battle ter. Colonel Baum was to lose tail and retreat back to reduced their marching ability on the field of march because as fought by the white man. his life at Bennington and Canada. Always articulate, to two miles an hour. of the American terrain. The During the evening campfire Breyman died later defending Burgoyne never failed to down Unmounted Chasseurs of artillery showed considerable stops, they bought stolen am- his own redoubt in the second grade the Americans’ ability to Baron DeReidesel marched handwork and polishing. Art munition and liquor from camp Battle of Freeman Farm on the fight. “Britons never retreat,” along the ragged road leading work consisted of raised cast- followers. Stillwater Battlefield when he said, throwing out the out of Montreal in high black ings, coats of arms, exquisite Also in the belly were a Benedict Arnold stormed the choice of retreating to Canada. boots designed for horse and tooling and engraving. number of women. They were position. “Any coward can shoot not marching. They never did They bore the intertwined the kind that the soldiers sung This left him with 37 guns, from behind a stone wall or a get the mounts that the Brit- rose, shamrock and thistle, the about in their lusty ballads. which were captured or sur- (Continued on next page) ish had promised they would crown Rege Victoria of Great have as soon as this invading Britain. Some of them bore army reached New England. the Royal Initials GR on the chase. Also the monogram SUCH A STIRRING… “M” for Duke of Montague, Montreal had never before Master of General Ordinance witnessed such a stirring and from 1730-1755. Most had colorful scene as the power of two ornate dragon handles. the British on the American Engraved on the chase was continent moved out. Never “Honis Soit Qui Malay Pense was there higher excitement u Et Mon Droit.” nor bustle of war as when Gen- But Burgoyne was des- eral John Burgoyne marched tined to reach Saratoga with out and headed south with his only 42 of his 137 guns. He invading army. dropped off pieces in his trek Handsome Jack rode at the southward at the defensive head of this brilliant pageant points. He transferred some of changing colors on this June to lake duty. He surrendered 8, 1777 morning bent on snuff- 37 of his magnificent cannon ing out the flame of American at Saratoga and lost four when rebellion in the Hudson Valley. they were taken by General He was leaving Montreal with John Stark’s Militia at all the pomp and glitter of war Bennington. with the arrogance and trap- Thirty-one of these guns pings of a conqueror. surrendered have been located Behind him, as he pushed during an extensive and re- out into the plains, was a warding search that covered a mighty English dragon of thirty-year span. troops, ammunition and sup- The belly of this dragon A Burgoyne Gun - Seemingly almost too small for its long carriage, this Burgoyne cannon is plies and an armored tail that now snaking its way south, mountd on the standard mount which was attached to forward wheeled section. Guns had no could spit devastating fire. It was made up of 4200 British recoil system and recoiled six to eight feet, depending on size. Not studded wheel rims. This could deal death and destruc- Regulars who had been tested replica of Freeman’s Farm log cabin, one of the key pointsof British defences, is located at tion of the kind that Burgoyne on the battlefield of Europe. Freeman’s Farm at Saratoga National Historic Park in Stillwater, New York. SUBSCRIBE TO THE ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL PAGE 13 COLLECTING CONSERVATION LICENSES Overheard at the FROG POND per license and it was to be When you have decided One of my gun dealing friends called me recently from By Chester A. Smith worn all times while hunting. that your collection is top Florida and relayed, “I told you that you should have been This practice lasted until grade, you might want to start down here on the farm with me.” He has a big place with The finding and collecting 1922 when the button was collecting the buttons with about a hundred acres and a nice fish pond out near his or- New York State Conservation dropped for lack of funding. their matching paper licenses. chards. Well, naturally I asked about what I had missed. Then Department licenses and There became such an outcry Every year except 1922 and he told me about his “peach pickin” experience a few days badges can be both challeng- from sportsmen for the return 1923 had a button to go with ago. He said he was going down to the peach and apple trees ing and rewarding. Not too of the button that in 1924 the the paper license. out back when he heard a bunch of laughter and giggling out many years ago this hobby was commission brought it back. It Special Deer Licenses had by the pond. Well, pond is an understatement, because this is almost unknown. A few remained a part of the com- a quarter tag attachment, more like a natural in-ground swimming pool all decked out books were written on the sub- plete license until 1941, when which consisted of four quar- and dressed up for serious pleasure. He had brought a five ject and it usually happens, a it was retired for good at the ters. To acquire a Deer Li- gallon bucket with him for the fruit but nothing else if there new collecting craze is born. outbreak of World War II. cense with all the quarter tags was to be some kind of confrontation. The first year a person in In 1926 the law was again attached is an added plus. To But, with bucket in hand he went to investigate. Low New York State actually amended to include fishing to collect all these will probably and behold one of his dreams had come true. There in his needed a license to hunt was the hunting and trapping li- drive you crazy, but you will pond were six little luvlies skinny dipping with glee and aban- in 1908. The licenses were cense. This was justified be- have fun doing it. don. When the young ladies saw him they all went to the deep distributed quite effectively cause all hunters were paying After you have completed end and dropped down in the water. One of the women and very few men went to field to maintain fish hatcheries. these collections you might shouted, “We’re not coming out of here till you leave.” An- without theirs. This was de- Durring 1927 still another want to consider collecting other yelled, “We don’t care how long you wait.” Well, I’ll spite the fact that licenses were change occurred when a “spe- Non-Resident Buttons or tell you, these ol’ gun dealin’ freinds of mine must eat tacks only obtainable for six months cial” license and button was maybe even Guide Badges or for breakfast, they are still pretty swift and smart when they of the calendar year. Judging issued for deer hunters. This Fire Warden Badges. As you need a comeback. He told me what he hollard back, “I’m not from reports by Game War- was the first year that hunters can see, it goes on and on. here to watch you ladies swim naked in my pond.” Holding dens, the only hunters who had were required by law to report Happy Collecting. up the bucket he just said, “I’m here to feed my alligator.” not taken out licenses were direct to the NYS Conserva- And what do you think I missed? And that’s the truth, I swear. farmers who were privileged tion Department upon the tak- Editors Postscript – You may to hunt on their own land with- ing of a deer. have seen Chet’s license dis- out the new license. Collecting these License play at our Saratoga Springs Licenses were required for Buttons has been a very re- Arms Fair. It is quite exten- 6” Adv. = $36.00 any kind of game hunting with warding hobby for me. To sive but he seems to manage firearms. The charge for the complete a collection of resi- to find a few more. Chet used first resident license was $1.10 dent buttons consisting of 45 to write for our Journal about and for non-residents or aliens, pins is a very time consuming the 1849 Colt and its’ varia- $20.50. At that time no license and expensive task. If you tions. was required to trap or fish but manage to acquire them all, One thing I may add about that would change. In 1913 then you can begin to upgrade “paper” licenses to Chet’s the Conservation Commission to get the very best one for story in that viewing my own added trapping to the regular each year. When you have collection the 1909, 1910, hunting license. managed to do this, then you 1911 licenses I have are, in In 1917, in order to eradi- might want to go for low se- fact, “oilcloth” with an em- cate the practice of hunters rial numbers. It would surely bossed seal for the Conserva- going afield without their pa- be nice to have a collection tion Department. The reverse per hunting license, a button with two, three and four digit is signed in ink by the license There had been intentional within eight paces of the was issued along with the pa- numbers. holder. overloading of Pauch cannon mouth of the cannon, which at Montreal when he had been were loaded with grape shot “On the Heights” ordered to use his guns in fir- and cleared the German forti- Tail of the Dragon... ing a salute for the queen’s fications to get them. From a tree or a fence, but there is no face the Americans on the He gave Captain Horg birthday. While he had not field littered with dead they man under the sun nor among Heights caused him to parlay Pauch two light three pound- suspected it at the time, he turned the guns on a relief them who has the courage to his artillery to advantage. Us- ers and two six pounders later wrote in his diary, “Each force, which was arriving un- face the charge of British cold ing a newly cut log road to his which Pauch was later to drag cannon was charged with fully der Colonel Breyman. steel. We move to the right, he sent General Frasier through the woods and ravines three pounds of powder, a One of these cannon was Heights,” he said. with the 24th Regiment, Brit- and save the first day of battle charge which the cannons had located at the Bennington His- But it was these very farm- ish Grenadiers, American Vol- for Burgoyne. never before contained. I was torical Museum during a ers and Continental Militia, unteers, Canadian Rangers, Pauch had lost all of his given to understand that this thirty-year search. It had been outgunned two to one, at the and the savages. To his right guns at Montreal. In spite of was a test for the guns.” transferred to the State of Ver- deserted stump strewn wing, he assigned ten guns, his protests, he had been or- As the invasion moved mont by an Act of Congress Freeman’s Farm along with its four three pounders, which dered to leave his cannon be- south out of Montreal, Pauch in 1845. A second Bennington two log huts and its fortified could be carried on horseback. hind, Burgoyne insisting that wrote in his diary, “All of my cannon was located at the frame house, who took away Burgoyne took the center of German gunners fire British cannon are at Montreal. We capital building in Montpelier, the guns assigned to the Hesse the line with the Royal Artil- artillery for uniformity in drill are using English cannon.” Vermont. A third captured Hanau. They captured the lery, 9th, 21st, and 62nd Regi- and in battle. The Germans As Burgoyne positioned cannon was found in Boston, batteries of the English ments, Jager Company, and had no love for the British his mighty artillery at Bemis New Hampshire. It was also artillerist. They answered the Chaussiers. He placed the method of firing, sponging or Heights, he left six mortars, given to that state by an Act British command, “Fix bayo- Hesse Hanau and the reserve minute firing. They them- too big for mobility, on the of Congress. The where- nets and charge the dam artillery near the river along selves, using their methods bateaux in the river. They abouts of the fourth cannon is rebels” with “We can play the with two light 24 pounders, could get off 12 to 15 shots a were intended as siege guns. still unknown. game too, and by god, we will four medium 12 pounders, minute and did it without Four of his splendid six try it.” two 8 inch howitzers and two sponging. The best the En- pounders were captured by The Americans on the 5.8 howitzers, Colonel glish artillerists were able to do General John Starks and Seth Ending of this Bemis Heights had 21 pieces Breyman with the Regiment of was 11 shots a minute. Of Warner in a violent and des- article will be of light artillery. Spetch, Regiment of Reidesel course the Germans also had perate charge at Bennington. Burgoyne’s decision to and Regiment of Rhetz. a high rate of accidents. New Hampshire men rushed in our next issue. ADVERTISE IN THE ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL PAGE 14 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005 NORTH-EAST Get Your ADS CLASSIFIEDS out F-A-S-T! ITEMS FOR SALE pearance, tight action, $1500. fore-end. Fine line, hand cut config. but bolt miss-matched, 5) M1894 Winchester deluxe checkering, double triggers, also WWII Nazi upgrade with RATE CARD FOR SALE:1) NEW Rem- .30WCF, XXX wood, PG, 28” bbls., simple engraving of S/42 plus acceptance marks. 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Turkey gun, single shot, 12ga, 1/16") wood is Beautiful, tory pad, slide-action single in 1985, $299. 15) Jennings Send Copy To: $145; 5) Ruger 10/22, semi- $2995. 6) M1876 Winchester shot, 30” vent rib bbl. with J-22 Pocket Pistol, .22 caliber NEACA Advertising auto 22LR, used $125; 518- 1/2 Oct, 1/2 full mag, .40-60 double bead. In like new con- by Bryco Arms, blue with PO Box 385 868-4662. Bill & Dee Dwyer, caliber, very nice Teddy dition, unfired, no box. Dis- ivory style grips, NIB, $139. Mechanicville, NY 12118 Good Gun Buys, Sloansville, Roosevelt’s rifle, only 91 ever continued in 1986, early gun, 16) Jennings J-25 Pocket Pis- 518-664-9743 NY. See us at Saratoga Arms made! P.O.R. 7) Newhouse & $850. 5) Remington M-1100 tol, .25ACP caliber by Bryco Phone or Fax Fair this March 19 and 20 at hand forged Bear Traps; other LT-20, semi-auto 20ga shot- Arms, blue with black grips, tables A13-17. 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Will be at Sa- L/LR Slide Action Rifle. 1947 Magnum Dan Wesson, 8” Re- $45.00; 1940 Special Deer ratoga, NY Arms Fair this Mfg., 23” round bbl., in 99% volver with walnut grips and at Saratoga Arms Fair this Button at $40.00; 1941-1962 March at tables E7-8 original condition, probably interchangeable barrel system. March 19-20, tables C3-4. Licensed Guide Badge for unfired, very slight edge wear In orig. styro pack but no box, $200.00; WANTED: NYS Li- FOR SALE: A) Browning, on high spots from rubbing on looks to be as NIB with some ITEMS WANTED censed Guide Buttons & early Belgium, BAR Gr.II, .338 inside of original, serial num- acces., $995. 20) Czech CZ52 Fire Warden Badges. Also mag, very good, $800; B) bered, red & blue box. Very semi auto pistol, 7.62 x 25mm WANTED: Autumn Leaf need 1941 Resident Hunting Browning, Belg., Safari bolt, hard to find guns like this, with special hard chromium China made by the Hall China License Button with Matching .30-06, exc. $825; C) Win- $1695. Military Rifles: 7) US finish done by Sal Bal.of Mass Company for Jewel Tea. Paper License. Chet Smith, chester M92 rifle, oct. bbl., Rifle Model 1917, Eddystone, about ten years ago. In as new Looking for excellent to mint Altamont, NY, 518-765-4963. .25-20, VG cond, $1995; D) WWI use, .30-06 cal., bbl. date condition with holster and ac- condition will buy a few pieces See my display at the Saratoga Rem. #4 .22 cal., VG to ex- 5-18, original rifle with wood cessories, $450. Stop by our or an entire collection. See me Arms Fair on March 19-20 at cellent, $695; E) Win. M69, & metal in fine cond., $695. shop, C & D, 38 N. Main St., at the Saratoga Arms Fair, tables M1-2. .22 cal., bolt, #97 peep sight, 8) Winchester M1885 Low Mechanicville, NY 12118; March 19-20 tables E1-4 or $295; F) J. Stevens #49 wal- Wall, thin side, US Ordnance www.CDPetronisInc.com, all call 518-664-7610. FOR SALE: 1) 1871-1971 nut hill .22 cal., excellent, marked Winder Musket, .22 guns require FFL. Dave at Limited issue of 1000 (serial $4995. Charlton Gun Shop, short, 28” bbl. Proper Lyman 518-664-9743, see us at the WANTED: Need 26” octa- No. 32) Springfield Armory 600 Charlton Rd., Charlton, peep receiver sight, exc. cond., Saratoga, NY Arms Fair on gon barrel for Winchester Museum SILVER CARBINE- NY 12020, 518-399-4481. exc. bore, circa 1914, $1495. March 19, 20 at tables D1-4. 1876 Rifle in .50 caliber. Also, N.I.B. (wooden-felt lined- See me at Saratoga Arms Fair 9) German K98 Mauser, dou/ full magazine tube and doved cherry?) Silver plated, en- on March 19-20, tables K1-4. 44, 8mm, matching numbers, FOR SALE: 1) Krebs Cus- bearing. Also need front and graved, fancy tiger striped fat stock, Nazi proofed, exc. tom Inc. Russian RPK74S, middle bands for 1858 Enfield walnut wood, beautiful! FOR SALE: 1) Emelio cond., $1295. 10) Springfield 5.45x39. This is a semi auto Rifle. Call 518-664-9743 or e- Unfired .45-70, sold new in Rizzini, 20ga over/under, 27” US Rifle M1903 .30cal., 4-18 plum stocked version of the mail [email protected]. 1971 for $1000 (equal to bbls., Mod/Imp, ejectors, en- date, #8570xx, 24” bbl., all current Squad Light Machine $5000 today) price $1295; 2) graved sidelocks, cut checker- original with fine metal, fine Gun in use in Russia, complete WANTED: Dealers - See our Matching Colt 45’s, (two ing, semi-beavertail, pistol bore, exc. stock has been glass with mags, pouch and sling. internet customers wanted list guns) 125th anniversary, made grip, factory pad & selective drawn and oiled probably dur- New In Hard Case, $1650. 2) on www.Neaca.com , perhaps in 1961, first Colt commemo- gold trigger. This fine Euro- ing war to end all wars, $1495. Vector Arms RPD, 7.62x39 you can supply our needs. We rative, 2nd Generation, Colt pean shotgun mfg. in 1970’s 11) Remington Contract US Drum Belt Fed Squad Light have on-going and updated list Single Actions, consecutive is in new, unfired condition. Rifle M1903-A3, .30 cal., bbl. Machine Gun. This firearm of parts, items, guns and other serial numbers, unfired. With Two very small wood dings date 9-43, near perfect metal, usage dates from 1944 into the things. See “Wanted Page.” mother of pearl grips plus from storage, no box, $1795. all matching, near new stock Vietnam era. Made from unis- original walnut grips, N.I. 2) Andelo Zoli, Field Grade, with all clear proofs, simply a sued parts set on a new made This Classified Section is Wooden Box; some patina on 20ga over/under, 3” Magnum, great gun, $1595. 12) British US receiver to fire semi auto probably the fastest and gold wash, beautiful pair, 26” bbls., single gold trigger, Enfield Rifle, No4 MK1, .303 only. Special set as this is one least expensive of any $5000 firm. Will trade for old top/Modified bottom/Full British cal., mfg. 1943 & with of the first 70 made. Comes specialized media out Winchesters at fair value for Choke. Nice lightweight shot- correct spike bayonet and with Drums, Pouches, Sling, today. You can get a two partial. 3) M1886 Winchester gun, engraved receiver, scabbard, excellent condition Carry Bag, Tool Kit, Oil Bottle week turn around and .40-82, half oct., full mag., Greener style crossbolt, pistol with matching magazine, arse- and more, $2995. 3) Argentine adv placement at a very single set trigger. No extra grip. Like new condition on nal refurbished for Home Land FAL, Pre-Ban .308 2#s off cheap price. Not only holes, grey brown, smooth this fine Italian gun but has two Defence in 1953, $525. 12) from matching serial #140x. metal & nice even wood, 1” scratches on left fore stock. Krag, US Model 1898 .30 cal. Overall condition is 85% or will it be in our Journal $2500 firm. 4) M1873 Win- About ten years old, $795. 3) Rifle, #2489xx, 1900 cartou- better, $1800. 4) Ohio AK in print but will also chester .38-40, round barrel, Charles Harvan, Castillian che, fine o/a condition with but Receiver in 7.62x39, New, appear on our web at full mag., 60%+ blue on bar- Grade, 20ga, side by side 1” long ding on left wrist, $75. Sherwoods French Vil- NEACA.com where we rel and receiver, nice wood double, Mod. 114. Fancy Eu- $995. 13) Mauser GEW 98 lage Guns, 56 Chaney Ave, get a minimum of 30,000 lightly sanded; bore about 6- ropean walnut stock with WWI 8mm Rifle, marked Tupper Lake, NY 12986. 518- visits a month. 7/10, No extra holes, nice ap- round pistol grip & beavertail Amberg/1917 full military 359-3821, 4 to 7pm. See me SUBSCRIBE TO THE ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL PAGE 15

But don’t kid yourself into commentary that you could SAVE THESE DATES Real News thinking this outcome could find enlightening. have come about by any other And for Brians’ story and GREATER (Continued from page 5) way than by United States Sol- of what he sees and reports to the school children who now diers being on the ground. us, it can be found on The GUN SHOWS can learn about how to make And that event was only pos- Current Iraq Report page NEW EASTCOAST ARMS COLLECTORS ASSOCIATES a better life. And how even sible in this day and age be- from www.Neaca.com web *Friday Evening for Exhibitors or Members Only. girls and women can now be cause our President, George site Home Page. Please visit SINCE 1982 NEACA.com among the cherished citizenry. W. Bush was in the oval of- and learn the true story in the Michael S. PlisekVFW Post #4915 Voting took place among fice. You, and I, may not al- words of our liberation Army 131 Mohawk Street sniper fire, bombs exploding ways agree with every policy Major, Brian Perazone. and the smell of death in the that comes from that office but Herkimer, New York streets. Most people, not all, at least we all know where he traveled the harried roads and stands and what he means. April *8, 9, 10, 2005 alleys to polling places, stood We also may not always in long, vulnerable lines and agree with each other when we Mohawk Valley Show ~ I-90, Exit 30, Rt. 5 voted! They exercised a task talk to friends or colleagues many barely understood, about this war in general or Knights of Columbus Bldg., 106 Boynton Ave. something foreign and strange even with specifics. Often I I-87 Northway Exit 38, Right on Boynton to most, but accomplish it they hear how Bush lied and got us did. All the while among risk into this Viet Nam style quag- Plattsburg, New York and uncertainty. Our men and mire. To me, nothing is fur- our women gave and secured ther from the truth than that. that right for those Iraqis to On our web pages we also April *29, 30, May 1 stand in line and vote. You have a page named “America’s Adirondack ~ Lake Champlain Gun & Militaria Show won’t hear that on the Six New War” where we do a little O’clock News! reporting of the truth and some Yes, our troops had help tongue in cheek things too. NEACA, Inc. from other countries too, even You can also find some PO Box, 385, Mechanicville, NY 12118 from the Iraqis themselves. links to other sites and other Table Info/ Availability: David Petronis 518-664-9743 ADVERTISE IN THE ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL PAGE 16 ARMS COLLECTORS JOURNAL 15 MARCH 2005

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