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PACIFIC WAR My name is Richard Misenhimer and today is May 7, 2004. 1am interviewing Mi. James

B. Brown at his home at 346 County Road 315, Orange Grove, Texas 78372. His phone number is area code 361-384-3166. This interview is in support of the National Museum of Pacific War, Center for Pacific War Studies, for the preservation of historical infonnation related to World War II.

Mr. Misenhimer

Mr. Brown, I want to thank you for taking time to do this interview today.

Mr. Brown

Thank you.

Mr. Misenhimer

Let me ask you first, what is your birth date?

Mr. Brown

July 16, 1923.

Mr. Misenhimer

Where were you born?

Mr. Brown

Yoakum, Texas.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you have brothers and sisters?

Mr. Brown

Yes. I have two half-brothers and two sisters and one brother.

Mr. Misenhimer

Were either of your brothers in the service? Mr. Brown

Yes. Joe was; my real brother. One of the others was in the service in Germany. My brother was in Germany. He got captured in France and then they hauled him to

Germany. But he got liberated and came back.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did both of them come home?

Mr. Brown

Yes they came home. They were lucky.

Mr. Misenhimer

Where did you go to high school?

Mr. Brown

I didn’t go to high school. I went through the fifth grade.

Mr. Misenhimer

At Yoakum?

Mr. Brown

No. I started there but then I moved to Nordheim. I had to make a living the best way I could so I had to quit school after fifth grade.

Mr. Misenhimer

What did you do after that?

Mr. Brown

Picked cotton. Then after that I drove a truck and hauled cattle from Victoria to Houston and San Antonio for ranches in an 18-wheeler.

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Marines and here’s Army, pick which one?” I picked the Navy of course. I didn’t want in the Marines.

Mr. Misenhimer

Let me back up a minute. December 7, 1941 as you recall Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

Do you remember where you were when you heard about that?

Mr. Brown

I was in Cuero driving a cattle truck.

Mr. Misenhimer

What was your reaction when you heard that?

Mr. Brown

I was shocked; really shocked.

Mr. Misenhimer

You were about 18 at that point.

Mr. Brown

No, I was a little younger.

Mr. Misenhimer

You were born in 1923?

Mr. Brown

1923.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you think that would cause you to go into the service when you heard that?

4 Mr. Brown

I figured that later on I might have to, yes. It didn’t bother me none. I figured it was supposed to be that I would take care of things and do that for my country.

Mr. Misenhimer

When you went in at San Antonio, where did you go from there?

Mr. Brown

I went back home and took what little clothes they said to bring and I caught a train there and went to , .

Mr. Misenhimer

To boot camp?

Mi. Brown

To boot camp for twelve long weeks. I thought I would never get out of walking and marching. When I got out of there then I went to .

Mr. Misenhimer

What all did you do in boot camp? Tell me about boot camp.

Mr. Brown

It was mostly just marching and the guns. We got a gun and all that. And swimming; of course, I didn’t know how to swim but I learned how to swim.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you have knot tying and that sort of thing?

Mr. Brown

Oh yes. We had all of that. They told us everything about what to do and we went to

movies at night and all that.

5 Mr. Misenhimer

What did you live in there?

Mr. Brown

They had so many that we were in a tent. They had wood walls but the top was canvas.

Then after I stayed there about four weeks they moved us into a barracks. The name of it was Paul Jones I think.

Mr. Misenhimer

How was the food there?

Mr. Brown

It was good. It was pretty good except on Friday they would give us cold cuts.

Mr. Misenhimer

Anything else that you recall from your time in boot camp?

Mr. Brown

No, just that they put us in a boat like a life boat and made us row in the bay there a little bit. We would march out to Pacific Beach and it was about 10 miles out there. Sometimes we would jog. Then we would have to break step when we came to the bridges so it wouldn’t fall in under the weight. After that I went to San Francisco.

Mr. Misenhimer

You went from San Diego to San Francisco?

Mr. Brown

Yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

On a train again?

6 Mr. Brown

Yes, on a slow train. We got there and I didn’t know what, I had never been there before.

They took us on a ferry from Oakland across to San Francisco. Then a bus picked us up and took us halfway back and we went to Treasure Island.

Mr. Misenhimer

What did you do there?

Mr. Brown

I thought this was the best place that I had ever been because they said, “You can relax here. You can go swimming. You can go see a show. You can go ashore.” That’s what we did for about a month. I thought I had it made. Then one day they came and said, “Get all your stuff, we have a place for you.” They took me to this old ship and when I say old, to me it was old. I wasn’t assigned to the ship. They put us in cots up in one of the holds.

We stayed there for about three days and then they sailed. We went under the Golden

Gate Bridge and we didn’t know where we were going. I got a little nauseated. Most of the guys got sick because the old ship did all that rocking. They headed north and they fmally told us we were going to the Aleutian Islands.

Mr. Misenhimer

What kind of a ship were you on?

Mr. Brown

It was a transport. It was PA-3, the USS Zeilin.

Mr. Misenhimer

APA-3?

7 Mr. Brown

Just PA-3, Pacific Attack. I was supposed to be stationed on the place after they fought the Japs. But there was not a Jap there. They had abandoned it and left. I didn’t blame them because it was so cold. Then I couldn’t be on the island there so they brought me back. I was doing watches all this time; look-out watches with binoculars. When I got back to San Francisco they assigned me and some other boys.

Mr. Misenhimer

On the Zeilin when you went up there, what were your duties aboard ship?

Mr. Brown

Just scrubbing paint and painting and stuff like that.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you have any special schooling in boot camp or anywhere?

Mr. Brown

No.

Mr. Misenhimer

You were just a Seaman?

Mr. Brown

Yes. I was an Apprentice then a Second and then a First at the end. That’s all I had. We had 32 boats, landing craft on the ship, the davits and all and 4 tank lighters, what they called tank lighters, 50 foot. Personnel carriers were 30 foot.

Mr. Misenhimer

This was on your PA?

8 Mr. Brown

Yes. That’s when we took off for .

Mr. Misenhimer

After you came back from ?

Mr. Brown

Yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you stay on the Zeilin?

Mr. Brown

Yes. I was still on it; I was assigned to it then. We went there and I was amazed at the sunsets and how beautiful they were. We stayed on the ship and we stayed there about a week or so; maybe a little longer. I can’t remember just exactly. I got to go ashore and all that. Then one day we sailed.

Mr. Misenhimer

When you were in Pearl Harbor was there much wreckage still left there from the attack?

Mr. Brown

The Arizona was sitting there. That’s where we went in the harbor.

Mr. Misenhimer

Was there much other wreckage anywhere else?

Mr. Brown

Yes. They were cleaning up. This was 1943 but it took a long time to clean it up. Then we sailed all the way to New Zealand. But on the way our evaporator that made the drinking water and for showers and all that water, it went out. We stopped at the Hebrides

9 Islands and we had to haul water on one of the tank lighters for drinking but we took saltwater showers. (laugh) That wasn’t too good. It was hot down there.

Mr. Misenhimer

When you went down there, were you in a convoy or by yourself?

Mr. Brown

By ourselves. That was kind of scary. We had a lot of GQ’s on the way; general quarters.

Mr. Misenhimer

What was your battle station?

Mr. Brown

I was on the look-out; the same that I had been; right off the bridge, on the end of the bridge on each side there. I had big binoculars.

Mr. Misenhimer

That was your battle station?

Mr. Brown

That was it then.

Mr. Misenhimer

When you crossed the Equator did you have any kind of a ceremony or anything?

Mr. Brown

Yes. I got my head shaved and they put two coke bottles, they taped them together and made me use them for binoculars, and I shined shoes for the guys that had been across and all that. They threw us in a coffin and raised us up, we didn’t know this because we were blind-folded, but they raised us up and it had holes in it and they said, “We’re going to put him overboard.” And they took a saltwater hose and sprayed us and we thought we

10 were in the water. (laugh) We had a time. That was funny for them, but not us. There were quite a few of us that hadn’t been across.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did they give you a certificate or something like that?

Mr. Brown

Yes. I’ve got it here somewhere; I don’t know where it is.

Mr. Misenhimer

That made you a sheilback, huh?

Mr. Brown

That made me a trusty sheilback. (laugh) Then we got our evaporators fixed and went on to New Zealand.

Mr. Misenhimer

Now on your ship, were you taking troops too or what?

Mr. Brown

Not then. We were empty; just the crew.

Mr. Misenhimer

How big is the crew?

Mr. Brown

I guess it was about 100 people or something like that. We had a lot of officers and I couldn’t figure out why they had so many officers, but they did.

Mr. Misenhimer

What was the armament on that ship?

11 Mr. Brown

We had four 3 inch guns, two forward and two aft and two quad-40’s, one forward and

one aft. Then we had six 20 single mm’s. Then we had the 50’s. We had about ten 50’s

lined up on each side. Usually whenever we had soldiers they knew how to operate those,

when we had those on there, they would man them.

Mr. Misenhimer

But as far as going to New Zealand the sailors manned them then, is that right.

Mr. Brown

Yes, just sailors on there then. Then we took on Marines. I think it was the 2nd Division.

Then we joined a convoy. They had a big convoy.

Mr. Misenhimer

Tell me about your time in New Zealand. What all did you do down there?

Mr. Brown

We went ashore.

Mr. Misenhimer

Was that at ?

Mr. Brown

Wellington, yes. It was cold. It was summer here but it was winter there. I couldn’t get over that because nobody had ever told me about that. We took off then for .

Mr. Misenhimer

Were the people friendly in New Zealand?

Mr. Brown

Oh yes they were, real friendly.

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Mr. Misenhimer

Were you there the first day when the initial raid went in or when?

Mr. Brown

Yes. They fired at the ship with the big guns and the ship had to take off and get out of the range of those big guns. I think the island was about 2 ‘/2 miles long and about half or a quarter of a mile wide. They were dug in real deep, I mean it was unreal how bad it was. These pill boxes had concrete covered up with sand and they would have just a little hole sticking out. The way that the Marines fmally got control was to stick a flame thrower in that hole and bum them. We found out that a lot of the officers that were in those particular things put a gun in their mouth and killed themselves rather than give up; but that’s what happened. I want to say that being at the Equator and being that hot, you can imagine the bodies lying on the beach there, all the dead people that were there.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did your troops go on the first raid, the Marines on your ship?

Mr. Brown

Yes. They had what they called ducks that would go in the water and go up there.

Mr. Misenhimer

Right, the tracked vehicles.?

Mr. Brown

Yes they had tracks on them and they would go real slow, about 5 miles an hour.

14 Mr. Misenhimer

They had a real problem at Tarawa because of that reef. They weren’t aware of it and the tide was low.

Mr. Brown

It lasted three days. One destroyer got too close and the tide went out and they expended every bit of his ammo that night on there; it was just point blank you know. They would fire every so often, those 5’s were broadside; every ten minutes or something like that.

Then they expended every bit of their ammo that night. Finally they got off.

Mr. Misenhimer

How close did you get to the shore?

Mr. Brown

It wasn’t too close. You couldn’t get all the way you know because they had mines and all these barricades and wire and all kinds of things out there where you couldn’t get in.

Mr. Misenhimer

The Invasion of Tarawa was November of 1943.

Mr. Brown

That’s when it was. It was still hot there.

Mr. Misenhimer

Yes, that’s the same as May here.

Mr. Brown

Yes that’s right.

Mr. Misenhimer

And it’s close to the Equator so it’s hot there all the time.

15 Mr. Brown

Yes it is. You are right on the Equator.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did your ship fire on the shore with your 3 inch guns or not?

Mr. Brown

No. They had a pier and there was an old ship there and just before daylight we had a battle wagon that blew it up. Then they started landing. We had some dive bombers come in. We had a flat top with us; I think we had two if I can remember right and they came in and softened them up a little bit because we didn’t know it would be that tough to get on to. That was where instead of being a boy I became a man. That was bad.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did they bring the wounded back to your ship?

Mr. Brown

Yes, we had some of them. They gave them Red Cross clothing because all of theirs was shredded and tore up and everything. We had a few but not many, not too many of them.

Mr. Misenhimer

You mentioned the bodies on the beach; did you get into the beach to see that?

Mr. Brown

No, you could smell it. It was bad though.

Mr. Misenhimer

You were what, probably a mile or two off the shore?

Mr. Brown

No about a half mile or maybe less. I can’t just exactly tell because I don’t know distance

16 on water but you could just look. It wasn’t easy.

Mr. Misenhimer

The Marines from your ship went in on those LCVP’s?

Mr. Brown

Yes and a lot of them didn’t make it. I think we lost about 2,000. I think there was about

4,000 Imperial Japanese Marines on there; what they called the best ones they had. Then we went back to Pearl.

Mr. Misenhimer

In a convoy?

Mr. Brown

I think it was a convoy but not very many ships though. Some of them stayed. I guess they wanted to pick up the remaining Marines. They classified our ship as a second class hospital ship. I guess that’s why we had a lot of officers; they were doctors. We went to

Pearl and then we went to the Marshall’s.

Mr. Misenhimer

What did you do at Pearl this time, anything?

Mr. Brown

Just unloaded and loaded up again. Then we went to the Marshall’s to Kwajalein and

Eniwetok. It’s not on here but it’s there somewhere.

Mr. Misenhimer

Yes it’s in the Gilbert Islands there.

Mr. Brown

Marshall Islands are just north of the Gilbert’s. It wasn’t too bad there. We didn’t have

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We had enough room that we put it in back of it and we were supposed to hook it up whenever we went ashore. We went ashore but we didn’t go all the way. We went as far as we could because we hit bottom. There were a few of those amtracks and ducks and they blowed those up all around. We let the ramp down and I said, “I don’t know whether they can drive that thing out.” They had to fix where the exhaust would go in and out.

They drove it out and they said, “Stop.” And they stopped and this one guy and me had to hook up that 37mm behind them. It went underwater of course. Before we got it, we had a cable on the ramp and the wheel went between and there were two of us. That thing was heavy. Do you know we literally picked it up because they would put one mortar here and one there and one over here, like rain drops all around. I thought, “Boy this is going to be it.” I was so scared. But we picked it up and set it over there and hooked it up and they went on. I told that guy, “Let’s get out of here.” The guy running the boat, the coxswain, “Get out of here.” “Okay” and he got those twin engines going backwards. The ramp was still down and they dropped one right where we were. It would have been right on top of me. Then another one over here and another over here and they swung it around and put one just exactly where we had been. They just kept following us. They had our range almost but they just didn’t put it far enough. We went out and I had my buddy, he was on another one and he went in and he got hit in the stomach. It didn’t kill him but he got hit.

Mr. Misenhimer

With a bullet or with shrapnel?

19 Mr. Brown

Shrapnel. He was lucky there. A guy named Turner. He was a good friend.

Mr. Misenhimer

The tank lighter, was that an LCT or LCM?

Mr. Brown

No it was a 50 footer but not quite as wide as this room. It was 50 foot long and had a big ramp. It had two sets of 50 calibers on it. The engineer and I were supposed to fire but the guys were already on shore so we couldn’t do that. Then we stayed there in the boat for seven days and nights. We would eat C-rations. One day I was eating there and my buddy said, “Look.” I looked and there was a dead man floating right by us. I said, “Well I can’t help him.” So I just kept eating. We would haul fuel and ammo. One night we had a 50 gallon drum sitting there and it was full. I was lying on top of it and they had a firefight on top of the hill. You could hear the bullets hit all around. One of them hit near us and we could hear ping, ping, ping and I said, “That’s getting close.” We were sitting on a hook at anchor. They said, “Yes, but we can’t move.” “Well, okay.” I got off of there and got on the tail end. I got off of all that fuel. That fuel could blow up.

Mr. Misenhimer

That was on the Zeilan right?

Mr. Brown

Yes but we were on the little boat, the 50 footer. We had been in the water hauling stuff in and out and in and out. I think it was about when they had a whole lot of the hill there; it was real high and they had a lot of it secure and we looked back and this battle wagon was firing broadside. It was firing over our heads. We could see them go over if I looked

20 fast enough. They were about that big and about that long (showing with his hands) and they were firing up at that hill. I said, “They ought to have that place secure up there.”

The Army called in and said to give them some firepower. Guess what? They made a mistake and it landed on our troops. They called us to the beach and said to pick up the wounded. “What?” “Why?” We went over there and those guys were pretty mad at us.

They said, “Do you know what kind of a Navy you have?” I said, “Well, it wasn’t my fault.” But they landed on them.

Mr. Misenhimer

This was on , right?

Mr. Brown

Yes, on Guam. We finally got away from there and went back to Pearl. We stayed I guess maybe two weeks or more and then we went to ,,down here at Hollandia. It’s on the bottom end (pointing to a map).

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you take troops down there?

Mr. Brown

Yes. We moved them up the coast. It wasn’t bad there at all we just moved them. They had been there and we moved them up the coast.

Mr. Misenhimer

When you went down to New Guinea did you take troops down there?

Mr. Brown

No. We were just assigned to move them.

21 Mr. Misenhimer

So you went empty down there?

Mr. Brown

Yes and we moved them to a forward area. They said we had a lot of time to kill and I

wondered why they didn’t come down and take us to Australia and let us have a little

time off. But they didn’t. From there we went back to Pearl and then loaded up and went

all the way to Luzon in the .

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you go to Luzon for the fighting there?

Mr. Brown

Yes. It wasn’t too bad. We went in the boat and they didn’t tell us but the tide went out

and we were on the beach for what seemed like forever.

Mr. Misenhimer

You were still in your small boat?

Mr. Brown

Yes I was on the 50 footer, the tank lighter, I was assigned to it. We stayed on that beach for I don’t know; the tide went out at least 500 yards. I guess it would go down ten or more feet. We sat there and they had I guess a Jap spotter and every ship out there fired on him but they couldn’t hit him, he was too high. He was way up there. Then we loaded up and after we unloaded everything, we left the guys there. Some of them were wounded and we took them back; about 10 or 15 of them. We sailed that evening and all night and we got to I believe about Manila and that morning at sunrise we had GQ, general quarters. I ran to my gun up the stairs and this gny, Jap, came out of the sun, he had the

22 sun behind him. We had a convoy and it was ironic. He went up and picked my ship out.

We were on the right flank and we had an Admiral on there too. Maybe he knew it, I

don’t know but anyway, we couldn’t get him. He was coming right at me. I was on the

bridge on the gun loading it. I said, “Well, this is it.” At the last minute he cut it to the

right a little bit and then he done like this (gestured) and we were in a turn, a fast turn,

and if it would have been another minute he would have missed us, but he hit right where

my buddy was. That was it. He blew a hole you could put a garage in there. He went

through three decks and knocked three of our boats off in the water. We put the fire out.

Mr. Misenhimer

This was your friend Turner that was killed?

Mr. Brown

Yes and about eight more of them. They weren’t as good of friends as he was. I had been

on that gun lots of times. You would change around. I could have been there, but I wasn’t. But he lost his life and we buried him at sea; him and all the rest of them. But there was a bunch of wounded soldiers up there and they got killed. He went right down through. It was bad. They were on their way home. Then we went back to the States to get this fixed.

Mr. Misenhimer

How did you get back? What did they do to your ship there?

Mr. Brown

They put a board across the hole; I think it was 2 X 8’s and bolted them on and put canvas over them and painted it gray so it would look like the deck but you couldn’t walk across it. We would go around. We sailed around all the way back to Pearl.

23 Mr. Misenhimer

But there was no hole in the side of the ship?

Mr. Brown

No.

Mi. Misenhimer

Just strictly down through the deck.

Mr. Brown

Just through the deck. He wanted to go down through the stack but he didn’t make it. He would have blown us up completely if he went in there. We went all the way back to

Pearl.

Mr. Misenhimer

I think you said that you stopped somewhere along the way, maybe to get repairs?

Mr. Brown

Yes I think it was one of the islands, I can’t remember the name of it, and it’s been so long. I did know it. It was one that had a shipyard but I can’t remember which one.

Anyway they fixed us up there and we sailed back to Honolulu and then to San

Francisco. I got a 14 day leave and rode a slow train all the way to Mississippi where my sister was and stayed there for two or three a days. Then I went back to see my dad in

Yoakum and then I rode a train to Dallas. I think it took me 4 ‘/2 or 5 days to get back and

I was late. Of course I had a paper to show them what happened. From there we went all the way and boarded up.

Mr. Misenhimer

You’re back on the Zeilan again?

24 Mr. Brown

Yes I’m back on the Zeilan, my ship and we went to Iwo Jima.

Mr. Misenhimer

You weren’t back there very long because Luzon was invaded in January of 1945. Did you get to Iwo Jima for the start of the fighting or when?

Mr. Brown

It was after; we were the second wave. That’s why I’m still here I think because they lost a lot of sailors there. I wasn’t in the main one, I was one of the reserves and we came in later. Since we were in reserve we came in later. We dropped supplies. It lasted so long. I think a month or something like that.

Mr. Misenhimer

So you got there about halfway through the fighting or about the end of the fighting?

Mr. Brown

About nearly the end. But I could see Mount Suribachi and the flag up there where they had put the flag. Then I also saw the B-29 that was there. It had landed crippled from bombing Japan. Then we loaded up and went all the way back to the States. I got off and went back to San Francisco. We changed Captains, I don’t want to say this but it happened to us, we ran aground with the new Captain (laugh). We got off; tugboats pulled us off and we went down to San Diego and that’s where I got off the ship. I think I spent maybe six months in the desert. I’ve forgotten the name of the camp but it was out there about 20 or 30 miles. It was hot.

Mr. Misenhimer

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Mr. Brown

I was coxswain. They gave it to me right at the last. It was kind of like wanting me to stay

in. They told me I could be a Chief but I said, “No, I’m not a sailor. I’ve done my part and now I’m going to go home.” I did.

Mr. Misenhimer

What medals and ribbons did you get?

Mr. Brown

Let me show you.

Mr. Misenhimer

He is showing me a picture of himself here in his sailor uniform about the time he was going to get out in San Diego. On his left shoulder was the Amphibious Patch, and on the right a Seaman Ribbon.

Mr. Brown

Then I got my Crow before I got out of California. I said, “No, I’m not staying in.”

Mr. Misenhimer

You’ve got five Battle Stars.

Mr. Brown

I don’t know where all of this went. I have no idea where all that went, the suit and everything. That was a long time ago. I’m not young anymore.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you get home with any souvenirs?

27 Mr. Brown

Yes I got a piece of that Jap plane but I lost it somewhere but I don’t know where.

Mr. Misenhimer

A piece of the metal off of it?

Mr. Brown

It was a piece of aluminum; the wing or something. I had it for a long time. I moved out

of Corpus. I was getting in trouble down there thinking about all this. I moved to East

Texas with my other sister and I went to work in logging. Weekends I would go and

drink terrible. Finally I got a job with AT&T. They were putting cable from Dallas to

Houston and I worked for them driving one of their trucks. I was a truck driver. The same

work as the other guys but I had to drive while they slept. Then we went all over the

country. I stayed with them I guess it was two years. They moved us every month or so. I

got tired of that. I got married to my first wife and that didn’t last long; a mistake. I quit

them and I drove an 18 wheeler tanker for about a month and then I quit it. I said, “No

more truck driving for me.” I haven’t driven one since.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you ever see any USO shows?

Mr. Brown

In New Guinea they had one there. No big stars just a bunch of guys acting crazy, I called it acting crazy. In San Diego I saw the Marx Brothers; they came and entertained us a little bit. They’re gone now.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you have any experience with the Red Cross anytime?

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there and got his water.

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If he would have put you on report and put you in the brig you would have been better

off.

Mr. Brown

Well yeah, I could have gotten back on the ship. (laugh) That was the only time that I had

any clash with any of them.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you think most of them knew their job pretty well?

Mr. Brown

Yes.

Mr. Misenhimer

How about the one that ran you aground?

Mr. Brown

Oh that was a new Captain. I bad gotten off the ship at San Diego. I have an honorable discharge somewhere around here. My wife has it put away somewhere.

Mr. Misenhimer

What was your feeling when you came home?

Mr. Brown

Very happy. Real happy.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you have any trouble adjusting to civilian life?

33 Mr. Brown

No not really.

Mr. Misenhimer

You mentioned awhile ago that you started drinking or something.

Mr. Brown

I did, I drank.

Mrs. Brown

You said that you used to sleep under the trees a lot.

Mr. Brown

In East Texas I would go on weekends, you know I would work all week then I would go to a show and then I would get me a fifth of Jim Beam and I would walk home eight miles. Sometimes I would get there and sometimes I wouldn’t. I went fishing a lot.

Mr. Misenhimer

Have they had any reunions for your ship?

Mr. Brown

No.

Mr. Misenhimer

Did you ever use your GI Bill?

Mr. Brown

Yes. We bought a house in Corpus, that’s right we did. It’s been quite a while ago. It’s been 50 years. We’ve been living together 51 years.

Mrs. Brown

I remember that. We got the house. We got the loan.

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They were sewn in canvas bags with weights and holes in the canvas so they would sink.

It was in the South China Sea near Luzon. That was kind of bad.

Mr. Misenhimer

It would be.

Mr. Brown

That’s where the tide went way back. There was this guy that was in the Air Force. They

didn’t call it Air Force then it was Army Air Corps. He was in I think it was a P-38 and

he was chasing a Zero. He never pulled out and the Zero hit the ground and he went right

in behind him. Both of them. Apparently he was wounded or he had killed his friend or

something and they went right into the ground.

Mr. Misenbimer

Did you see many dogfights between our planes and theirs?

Mr. Brown

That was about the only one.

Mr. Misenhimer

This one time the kamikaze got you, were you attacked by Japanese planes more than that?

Mr. Brown

Just that once.

Mr. Misenhimer

You were never bombed or anything?

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