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House of Lords Official Report Vol. 791 Thursday No. 149 7 June 2018 PARLIAMENTARYDEBATES (HANSARD) HOUSE OF LORDS OFFICIAL REPORT ORDEROFBUSINESS Leave of Absence .............................................................................................................1399 Questions Brexit Transition: European Parliament Membership ..................................................1399 Online Material: Identification of Promoters...............................................................1402 Chronic Lymphocytic Leukaemia: Ibrutinib ................................................................1404 Psychiatrists: Referral Fees ...........................................................................................1407 Business of the House Timing of Debates.........................................................................................................1409 Procedure Motion to Agree............................................................................................................1409 Palestinian Territories Motion to Take Note.....................................................................................................1410 Heathrow Airport Statement......................................................................................................................1454 Northern Ireland: Supreme Court Ruling Statement......................................................................................................................1458 University Admissions: Equality Question for Short Debate.............................................................................................1462 Vulnerable Persons Resettlement Scheme Motion to Take Note ....................................................................................................1479 Lords wishing to be supplied with these Daily Reports should give notice to this effect to the Printed Paper Office. No proofs of Daily Reports are provided. Corrections for the bound volume which Lords wish to suggest to the report of their speeches should be clearly indicated in a copy of the Daily Report, which, with the column numbers concerned shown on the front cover, should be sent to the Editor of Debates, House of Lords, within 14 days of the date of the Daily Report. This issue of the Official Report is also available on the Internet at https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2018-06-07 The first time a Member speaks to a new piece of parliamentary business, the following abbreviations are used to show their party affiliation: Abbreviation Party/Group CB Cross Bench Con Conservative DUP Democratic Unionist Party GP Green Party Ind Lab Independent Labour Ind LD Independent Liberal Democrat Ind SD Independent Social Democrat Ind UU Independent Ulster Unionist Lab Labour LD Liberal Democrat LD Ind Liberal Democrat Independent Non-afl Non-affiliated PC Plaid Cymru UKIP UK Independence Party UUP Ulster Unionist Party No party affiliation is given for Members serving the House in a formal capacity, the Lords spiritual, Members on leave of absence or Members who are otherwise disqualified from sitting in the House. © Parliamentary Copyright House of Lords 2018, this publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 1399 Leave of Absence [7 JUNE 2018] Brexit Transition 1400 House of Lords to reallocate the number of Members of the European Parliament from the United Kingdom until and unless Thursday 7 June 2018 the United Kingdom is no longer either part of the EU or involved in any of its processes? 11 am Lord Callanan: As the noble Lord is well aware, Prayers—read by the Lord Bishop of Carlisle. Article 50 states: “The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question … two years after the notification”, Leave of Absence of Article 50. The UK notified its intention to leave Announcement the European Union on 29 March 2017 and will therefore leave on 29 March 2019. After that date, we 11.07 am will no longer have MEPs. The Lord Speaker (Lord Fowler): My Lords, the 19th meeting of the Association of European Senates LordWallaceof Saltaire(LD):MyLords,theGovernment is to take place in Bucharest next week. Accordingly, I have heard a lot from the European Research Group seek leave of absence from your Lordships’ House on about how appalling it would be for Britain to become Thursday 14 June. a rule-taker rather than a rule-maker. As we are heading towards a rather extended implementation or transition period of at least two years, does it not sound sensible Noble Lords: Oh! to make sure that Britain continues to have some influence over decisions taken in that period, rather The Lord Speaker: I take that as full-hearted consent. than cutting ourselves off but then continuing to follow alltherules,includingthosethatcontinuetobenegotiated, Brexit Transition: European Parliament for that implementation or transition period? Membership Lord Callanan: During the implementation period, Question we have agreed to establish a joint committee of representatives from both sides, which will be able to 11.08 am resolve concerns if and when they arise. Of course, we Asked by Lord Kirkhope of Harrogate have also agreed a duty of good faith on both sides. To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town (Lab): Might I they have made in the event of a transition period ask the Minister to quote Article 50 accurately in or extension of time in the European Union withdrawal future? It does not say that we will leave two years process to extend the terms of the present United afterwards, it says two years afterwards or such date as Kingdom members of the European Parliament to is agreed in the withdrawal agreement. Given that the ensure ongoing democratic accountability and to Government seem to be quite unable to get that withdrawal protect United Kingdom interests in the negotiations. agreement anywhere near ready, can the Minister also say—in agreeing to the wording I have just given—whether Lord Kirkhope of Harrogate (Con): My Lords, I beg they have discussed perhaps reverting to appointing leave to ask the Question standing in my name on the Members of the European Parliament, as we used to Order Paper. In doing so, I declare my interests as a do, should that be necessary? former Member of the European Parliament and a person in receipt of a European Parliament pension. Lord Callanan: No, we have not agreed to that Noble Lords: Declare! because we are leaving on 30 March 2019. The Minister of State, Department for Exiting the Lord Pearson of Rannoch (UKIP): My Lords, is the European Union (Lord Callanan) (Con): I am not in Minister aware that the UK has been outvoted on all receipt of a European Parliament pension. 77 laws that we have opposed in the Council in the last 20 years? We have been outvoted more than any other Noble Lords: Yet. country in the so-called Parliament. Does this Question not make the fundamental mistake of suggesting that Lord Callanan: As the Prime Minister set out in her there is any democratic accountability in the EU, Florence speech, from 30 March 2019 the UK will no which it is designed to expunge? longer be a member state of the European Union. The United Kingdom will no longer sit at the European Lord Callanan: The noble Lord will no doubt be Council table or in the Council of Ministers, and we very happy that we are leaving on 30 March 2019. will no longer have Members of the European Parliament. Lord Cormack (Con): My Lords, what arrangements Lord Kirkhope of Harrogate: Is my noble friend have been made for representation on the committee aware of the decision taken and published on 7 February, to which my noble friend referred and which will which was a proposal to the European Council—currently operate during the transition period? Are there going going through the consent procedure between the to be Members of both Houses or of one House on European Council and the European Parliament—not that group? What parliamentary input will there be? 1401 Brexit Transition [LORDS] Online Material: ID of Promoters 1402 Lord Callanan: The details of the membership of Lord Garel-Jones (Con): My Lords, is it not the case that committee are still to be resolved. that the Supreme Court has ruled that while Parliament did indeed authorise the referendum, it has yet to authorise Lord Hannay of Chiswick (CB): My Lords, will the the outcome of these discussions? Minister perhaps go a little beyond his very selective quotation from Article 50, because he invariably takes LordCallanan:Well,Parliamentwillgettheopportunity out the reference in it to the possibility of prolonging to do so when we have negotiated the withdrawal. We the period of two years? I know that is not government have said that we will put it to a meaningful vote in policy, but the Government appear to be doing both Houses. contingency planning on a lot of eventualities. What contingency planning are they doing about the Lord Wigley (PC): My Lords, in answering me membership of the European Parliament, if a decision yesterday the Minister said the Government felt it were taken by unanimity to extend the period of two was important that they planned for all eventualities. years? Why is he not planning for this one? Lord Callanan: We are not doing any contingency Lord Callanan: Because we think this is an eventuality planning on it because we are not going to apply for that is not going to come about. an extension. An extension is not going to be granted because, as I have said on
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