Testimony of Janice Dickinson
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IN THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF MONTGOMERY, PENNSYLVANIA CRIMINAL DIVISION COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA: vs. NO. 3932-16 WILLIAM H. COSBY, JR. TESTIMONY OF JANICE DICKINSON Courtroom A Thursday, April 12, 2018 Commencing at 11:27 a.m. Virginia M. Womelsdorf, RPR Official Court Reporter Montgomery County Courthouse Norristown, Pennsylvania BEFORE: THE HONORABLE STEVEN T. O'NEILL, JUDGE AND A JURY COUNSEL APPEARED AS FOLLOWS: KEVIN R. STEELE, ESQUIRE District Attorney M. STEWART RYAN, ESQUIRE KRISTEN GIBBONS-FEDEN, ESQUIRE Assistant District Attorneys for the Commonwealth LANE L. VINES, ESQUIRE THOMAS A. MESEREAU, JR., ESQUIRE KATHLEEN BLISS, ESQUIRE JASON HICKS, ESQUIRE BECKY S. JAMES, ESQUIRE RACHAEL ROBINSON, ESQUIRE JAYA GUPTA, ESQUIRE for the Defendant ALSO PRESENT: JONATHAN PERRONE, Computer Operations Supervisor Montgomery County District Attorney's Office INDEX COMMONWEALTH'S EVIDENCE Witness VDire Direct Cross Redir Recr JANICE DICKINSON 4 37 83 EXHIBITS COMMONWEALTH'S Number Description Marked Rec'd C-11 Photograph 19 20 C712 Photograph 19 20 C-13 Photograph 19 20 C-14 Declaration of Pablo Fenjvez 87 Ct-15 Declaration of Judith Regan 94 4 1 JANICE DICKINSON - DIRECT 2 THE COURT: Okay. You may call your 3 next witness. 4 MR. RYAN: Thank you, Your Honor. 5 Janice Dickinson. 6 - - - 7 JANICE DICKINSON, having been duly 8 sworn, was examined and testified as 9 follows: 10 DIRECT EXAMINATION 11 By MR. RYAN: 12 Q Good morning, Janice. 13 A Good morning. 14 Q Can you tell me where you live? 15 A I live in Tarzana, California. 16 Q And who do you live with? 17 My husband, Rocky Gerner. 18 Q And do you have any kids? 19 A I have two children: A son, Nathan. He's 30. 20 He's happily married. He just got married. And my 21 daughter, Savannah, she's 24. Both reside in Los 22 Angeles. 23 Q, Andiwhat about grandchildren, do you have any 24 grandchildren? 411 25 A I have three grandchildren that I adore, Fritz and 5 1 JANICE DICKINSON - DIRECT 2 Abraham and Jacob. 3 Q Now,, did you always live in California? Did you 4 grow up somewhere else? 5 A Oh, I was born in Brooklyn, New York in 1955. And 6 I moved to -- the family moved to Hollywood, Florida 7 when I was 18 months old. 8 41 And is that pretty much where you grew up? 9 A Yes, until I was 18 -- 17. 10 Q, And who did you grow up with in your household? 11 A I have two sisters. I'm a middle child. My older 12 sister is five years older. Her name is Alexis Mayer. 13 My younger sister, Debbie Dickinson, is five years 14 younger than I am. She resides in New York and she has 15 a son. 16 Q You said you lived in Florida until you were 17 17 years old? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q1 Tell me at that time when you moved from Florida, 20 where did you move to? 21 A We drove to New York. 22 Q And who is "we"? 23 Ac Edna Grolnick and her daughter, Wendy, who is a 24 friend of mine from high school. We drove from 25 Hollywood, Florida to New York City. It was fun. 6 JANICE DICKINSON - DIRECT 411 2 Q And you had graduated high school at that point? 3 A Yes. 4 Q4 And what was your purpose? Why did you go to New 5 York? 6 A I wanted to become a model. 7 Q And why did you want to become a model? 8 A Ever since I was nine years old looking at the 9 pages of Vogue Magazine, I wanted to be in the picture 10 as a model. I saw Lauren Hutton and that's what I 11 decided I wanted to be. I wasn't very good at school, 12 so -- 13 Q And so, Janice, tell me, when you got to New York, 411 14 did you have any success at trying to become a model? 15 A Not at all. I didn't have an agent. And back in 16 those days, 1974, the girls that were working that were 17 very -- the everyday model was blond, blue-eyed. And I 18 don't fit that mold. And I was rejected for -- daily 19 for two years. I mean, I was so poor, I walked to all 20 of my appointments and begged people to take my 21 picture. And it wasn't working out. 22 S) So after those two years, did you go somewhere 23 ease? 24 A( I went to -- I was offered a ticket to go to 25 Paris, France to join an agency. And that's what I 7 1 JANICE DICKINSON - DIRECT 4111 2 did. I flew to Paris and lived there roughly for about 3 two years. 4 And so at that point in time, were you getting 5 regular work as a model? 6 A At that time, yes. But prior to that, no. 7 Q So after those couple years in Paris, did you 8 return to the United States? 9 A I did, yes. 10 Q And where did you return to? 11 A, Well, New York City. New York City. 12 Q . Andi, again, you continued working as a model 13 there? 411 14 A, Yes, 15 Q Now, what year, if you can remember, would that 16 have been when you came back from Paris to the United 17 States? 18 A I want to give you the exact year, but I'm not 19 quite sure. 20 Q. It's okay. Why don't you just try and ballpark it 21 for me. 22 I don't like to do that. 23 Okay. Let's try it this way. 24 A I would say two years, so -- 25 So this would be about 1978 or so? 8 1 JANICE DICKINSON - DIRECT 2 A Late '77, '78. 3 Q Okay. So I want to talk to you -- I want to fast 4 forward a little bit to the year 1982. Were you still 5 a working model at that time? 6 A Yes, I was. 7 Q And were you living in New York? 8 A Yes, I was. 9 Q Now, were you represented by an agency in 1982? 10 A. Yes, I was. 11 Q What agency was that? 12 A The Elite Modeling Agency. 13 Q And in that year, did you learn that a person 410 14 named Bill Cosby contacted that agency seeking to meet 15 with you? 16 A. I heard from my booker that Cosby wanted to meet 17 me. 18 Q And do you remember when you first did meet with 19 the defendant, Bill Cosby? 20 A, Yes. 21 Q Can you tell me about that? 22 A It was at his townhouse. 23 Qv And where was the townhouse? 24 A On the Upper East Side of New York City. 25 Qi When you went there to meet with him, how was that 9 1 JANICE DICKINSON - DIRECT 2 arranged? Were you told to go to that address? 3 A Yes. 4 Q And were you with anybody? 5 A Yes. 6 Q Who was that? 7 A My business manager at the time, Charles Haugk, 8 Senior, a former retired New York City policeman. 9 Q Can you spell that last name for me? 10 A H -A -U -G -K. 11 Q So you were there with him. And when you arrived 12 to the house, who was present at the house? 13 A Cosby. 411 14 4c Okay. Was anybody else present? 15 A No. 16 Q And what -- 17 A Well, I think he might have had a chef. 18 Okay. And what happened during the course of this 19 meeting? 20 A, I was very excited, you know. I was told that Mr. 21 Cosby mentored people and he was taking an interest in, 22 you know, checking me out, seeing what I was like, 23 suppose. 24 Q, And, you said you were excited about it. Why were 25 you excited about that? 10 1 JANICE DICKINSON - DIRECT 2 A Oh, America's Dad. He was, you know, very 3 well -respected, you know, from T.V., happily married 4 man, five children. 5 Q And so what was discussed at the meeting that you 6 had with him at his house? 7 A Pleasantries. Pleasantries. He took an interest 8 in my singing career which never got off the ground 9 because I can't sing. Seriously, I can't sing. 10 Q. I won't ask you to do it here. 11 A You don't want to hear that. 12 Q So you talked about that? 13 A That, and acting. And I remember distinctly that 14 hp said,. You have to be prepared; you have to be smart 15 and prepared and know you're -- you know, your craft. 16 So he went upstairs and he brought down a book written 17 by Kostantin Stanislayski called An Actor Prepares. It 18 was a big thick book. And I really wasn't good at 19 rememberLng things from a book because I just basically 20 had a high school education. 21 Q4- And;so after that meeting concluded, you left the 22 house, I take it? 23 A With Mr. Haugk, yes. 24 Q When was the next time that you had any contact 41, 25 with the; defendant that you remember? 11 1 JANICE DICKINSON - DIRECT 2 It's so long ago.