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Legislative Assembly of Manitoba ISSN 0542-5492 Second Session - Thirty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba STANDING COMMITTEE on PRIVILEGES and ELECTIONS 31-32 Elizabeth 11 Chairman Mr. A. Anstett Constituency of Springfield VOL. XXXI No. 32 - 7:00 p.m., TUESDAY, 20 SEPTEMBER, 1983. Printed by the Office of the Queens Printer. Provmce or Manitoba MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Second Legislature Members, Constituencies and Political Affiliation Name Constituency Party ADAM,Hon. A.R. (Pete) Ste. Rose NDP ANSTETT, Andy Springfield NDP ASHTON, Steve Thompson NDP BANMAN, Robert (Bob) La \'0rendrye PC BLAKE, David R. (Dave) Minnedosa PC BROWN, Arnold Rhineland PC BUCKLASCHUK,Hon. John M. Gimli NDP CARROLL,Q.C., Henry N. Brandon West IND CORRIN,Brian Ellice NDP COWAN,Hon. Jay Churchill NDP DESJARDINS,Hon. Laurent St. Boniface NDP DODICK, Doreen Riel NDP DOERN, Russell Elmwood NDP DOLIN,Hon. Mary Beth Kildonan NDP DOWNEY, James E. Arthur PC DRIEDGER, Albert Emerson PC ENNS,Harry Lakeside PC EVANS,Hon. Leonard S. Brandon East NDP EYLER,Phil River East NDP FILMON, Gary Tuxedo PC FOX, Peter Concordia NDP GOURLAY, D.M. (Doug) Swan River PC GRAHAM, Harry Virden PC HAMMOND, Gerrie Kirkfield Park PC HARAPIAK,Harry M. The Pas NDP HARPER, Elijah Rupertsland NDP HEMPHILL, Hon. Maureen Logan NDP HYDE, Lloyd Portage la Prairie PC JOHNSTON, J. Frank Sturgeon Creek PC KOSTYRA,Hon. Eugene Seven Oaks NDP KOVNATS, Abe Niakwa PC LECUYER,Gerard Radisson NDP LY ON, Q.C., Hon. Sterling Charleswood PC MACKLING, Q.C., Hon. AI St. James NDP MALINOWSKI,Donald M. St. Johns NDP MANNESS,Clayton Morris PC McKENZIE, J. Wally Roblin-Russell PC MERCIER, Q.C., G.W.J. (Gerry) St. Norbert PC NORDMAN, Rurik (Ric) Assiniboia PC OLESON, Charlotte Glad stone PC ORCHARD,Donald Pembina PC PAW LEY, Q.C., Hon. Howard R. Selkirk NDP PARASIUK,Hon. Wilson Transcona NDP PENNER, Q.C., Hon. Roland Fort Rouge NDP PHILLIPS,Myrna A. Wolseley NDP PLOHMAN,Hon. John Dauphin NDP RANSOM, A. Brian Turtle Mountain PC SANTOS, Conrad Burrows NDP SCHROEDER, Hon. Vie Rossmere NDP SCOTT, Don lnkster NDP SHERMAN, L.R. (Bud) Fort Garry PC SMITH, Hon. Muriel Osborne NDP STEEN, Warren River Heights PC STORIE, Hon. Jerry T. Flin Flon NDP URUSKI, Hon. Bill lnterlake NDP USKIW, Hon. Samuel Lac du Bonnet NDP WALDING, Hon. D. James St. Vital NDP LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANI TOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON PRIVILEGES & ELECTIONS Tuesday, 20 September, 1983 TIME - 7:00 p.m. capable of fulfilling and guarding the above mentioned principles. LOCATION - Brandon, Manitoba We believe that the most profound and essential purpose of a Constitution is to unite and hold together CHAIRMAN - Mr. Andy Anstett (Springfield) in one common bond of respect with devoted dedication to all peace-loving people under its jurisdiciton. ATTENDANCE - QUORUM - 6 We, of the Grand Orange Lodge of Manitoba, urge Members of the Committee present: the honourable gentlemen, whom the people of Manitoba have elected, to morally and truthfully keep Hon. Messrs. Adam, Bucklaschuk, Evans, the monarchy as the first means of uniting Canadians Penner and Uruski of all persuasions in direct realization of harmony, trust, Messrs. Anstett, Blake, Graham, Malinowski, good will and pride in their country, and keep English Nordman; Mrs. Oleson as the official language of this province, allowing French as a viable voluntary option to be learned and used WITNESSES: Mr. W.H. Ryan, Grand Orange Lodge as people desire, the same as all othere minority of Manitoba. languages. Because, if it is not and is put into law, we Mr. H.H. Yo ung, Private Citizen will then create an elite group of bilingualists who will Mr. David McConkey, Private Citizen be able to hold all executive jobs and run the Mr. Dave Campbell, Private Citizen government with no input from other qualified people who are not bilingual, but it will urged that we can Ms. Gail Campos, Private Citizen always go back to the old days when university entrance Reeve Allan M. Rose, R.M. of Whitewater required an entrant to be fluent in both English and Mr. Te rry Penton, Private Citizen French. Reeve Albert Chapman, R.M. of Daly I might say, in closing, that the Grand Orange Lodge of Manitoba has always stood for freedom of speech, MATTERS UNDER DISCUSSION: freedom of rights, freedom of religion, and no special Proposed Resolution to amend Section 23 privileges to none. of The Manitoba Act I thank you. MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Ryan. Questions for Mr. Ryan from members of the committee? Seeing none, Mr. Ryan, thank you to you and to the Grand Orange Lodge of Manitoba for making this MR. CHAIRMAN: Committee come to order. We have presentation this evening. a quorum. Ladies and gentlemen, unfortunately several of our colleagues will be delayed in joining us, apparently MR. W. RYAN: Thank you. there was some mix-up in the dining room and their orders were just arriving when the rest of us left, so MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. H.H. Yo ung. Mr. Yo ung, please. they'll be hurrying through their meal and joining us Please proceed. shortly. So after extending their regrets for being as few MR. H. YOUNG: Mr. Chairman, I must apologize to minutes late, I would like to return to where we left off the committee for not having any copies of my brief. this afternoon. Reeve Norton Cassils, R.M. of lt started out to a short one, but I found through Winchester, Reeve Cassils, please. Mr. W. Ryan, attending your meetings that I have had to add and Manitoba Orange Lodge, Mr. Ryan, please. Please add, so I'm glad I didn't send in the first one. proceed. My name is Horace Yo ung. I must apologize for the poor quality of my voice, but I think my wife tried to MR. W. RYAN: On behalf of the officers and members choke me for this one. I'm sitting here as a taxpayer­ of the Provincial Grand Orange Lodge of Manitoba, I citizen of Manitoba. I represent no group and I would wish to present this brief. just like to present a few of my own opinions. Dear Sirs: We are strongly opposed to the French lt is with the deepest regrets that I find myself language question on the grounds that only 4 percent embroiled in the controversial subject to be discussed of the people of Manitoba speak French. at this meeting. I refer here to the subject of the We , the members of the Grand Orange Lodge of imposition of the French language upon the people of Manitoba, believe and are dedicated to the preservation Canada and over the people of Manitoba. I feel that of the democratic principles of liberty, justice and I, as a Canadian citizen, must take a strong stand in freedom for all people, regardless of colour, race, or opposition to this matter. creed. We believe that the Constitution of the country I would like first to make it clear to all persons that is the instrument of governmental administration, not I do not take this stand through malicious or 576 Tuesday, 20 September, 1983 discriminating attitudes toward any person, or through Libere," causing and encouraging discontent and unrest feelings of prejudice or bigotry towards race, religion, among the people of Quebec and other parts of Canada, colour or political affiliation. I am a staunch supporter while the great Canadian Liberal Leader, "Lisping of equal rights to all persons, provided these rights are Lester," sat on his duff making only minor objections, not superimposed upon the rights of others. I have no when he should have thrown him back across the objection to persons using their own language or culture Atlantic Ocean. in their own home, or ethnic groups. I also have no Now we have the holiday king, "Roaming Pierre," objection to any person having a sense of pride in their so busy holidaying and selling Candu reactors to our racial background, whatever it may be, but I do object potential enemies that he does not have time to tell to the imposition of bilingualism on the people of this Rene Levesque to go soak his feet, because his head country to satisfy the whims and desires of power­ is soft enough, with his talk of bilingualism and seceding seeking persons or politicians, whereby the unity of the Province of Quebec from the rest of Canada. it is this country is placed in jeopardy and regional time someone pointed out to him that this area on our differences magnified for personal or political gain. seacoast is vital to our economy, and more so to our To take this question back to the original position defence of this country, and our seacoast and the St. of what language must be recognized on the basis of Lawrence Seaway and we, as Canadians, will never who first set foot in this country and/or the continent, tolerate the seceding of this area for one's personal first we must recognize the position of the Canadian or political gain. Native, in which we find many different languages; Fifthly, returning to the subject of enforced namely, the Mohawk, lroquis, the Blackfoot, the Cree, bilingualism here, let us remember that the English lnuits, and many others. I ask you, do they not have language is recognized throughout the world as an a prior claim? important language for the conducting of business and Secondly, upon the arrival of the white man to these negotiations. Why must we now inject a third language shores, would we not be required to recognize the arrival problem? and language of the Vikings and Leif Ericson? Do they Also, this is Canada, the working language here is not have a previous claim? English and any immigrant must have a working Thirdly, comes the day of the arrival of and/or the knowledge of it to enter this cour.try.
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