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137 Calling Attention to [ 3 MAY 1978 ] a matter of urgent 138 public importance that there should not only be a Calling ed friend who said that not only should we Attention discussion on the Agra-matter but discuss this Calling Attention Motion but that that there should be a general discussion on we should alsa-immediately discuss the law the atrocities perpetrated on the Scheduled and order situation and the police firings, in the Caste persons. country. In fact, Sir, I feel that the time is ripe when the Government should form a new SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI (Assam): My Ministry which may be named Ministry of friends, Shri Maurya and Dr. Bhai Planning for police firings. We should, discuss Mahavir, have raised some points on which a this Agra matter and connected with it the law ruling is called for. My point is that when and order situation in the rest of the country. you reject a Calling Attention Notice given by the Members, you do not give the reasons SHRI PILOO MODY (Gujarat); In the for doing so and you do not consult the Ministry of Police firings Shri Goswami Members also. Therefore, as a matter of should be appointed a Minis, ter and' Shri procedure, may I know from you—and I Kulkarni a Deputy-Minister. would like to have a ruling on it—, when I feel that the matter is so urgent that it should not MR. CHAIRMAN; Now, after hearing the have been rejected, to draw your views of the various Members from the attention to the urgency 0f it- I want to draw various sections of the House, I would request the attention of this House to this important one or two1 Members to meet me in my matter of following the Rules of Procedure. chamber and I would discuss the matter with, When Mr. Maurya wanted to draw the them and decide it. attention of the House to this important matter through a Calling Attention Notice, the rejection, behind the back of the Member, if he CALLING ATTENTION TO A MATTER wants to impress upon the Chair the OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE importance of the matter, has he violated any Rules of procedure, which Dr. Bhai Increase in th8 price of milk supplied by Mahavir alleges. I want a ruling on this ques- the Delhi Milk Scheme tion. I do urge upon, you, Sir, that this subject-matter is not only important so far as SHRIMATI SAROJ KHAPARDE Agra or U.P. is concerned but that every (Maharashtra): Sir, I call the attention of the citizen of this country today is feeling Minister of Agriculture and Irrigation to the insecure so far as his life and liberty are substantial increase in the price of milk concerned. Are we to remain silent supplied by the Delhi Milk Scheme with spectators when Harijans and others are effect from the 2nd May, 1978 and conse- being killed? Has this House not the duty quential resentment among the common to__.discuss these important matters? The people. rise in the price of milk in Delhi is an important matter but let us also not forget THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE that we have oeen discussing such AND IRRIGATION (SHRI SURJIT SINGH matters pertaining to Delhi for the last two BARNALA); Sir, the Delhi Milk Scheme consecutive days and, therefore, (D.M.S.) was established as a departmental should we not divert our attention to what is undertaking of the Government of India in happening in the rest of this country? So, November, 1959 to supply Wholesome milk Sir, I feel that you should admit this to consumers at reasonable prices and at the Calling Attention Motion. And, I do same time ensure a reason- support my learn- 139 Calling Attention to [ RAJYA SABHA ] a matter oj urgent 140 public importance [Shri Surjit Singh Barnala] necessary to revise the sale prices of milk able return to the rural milk producers. The Scheme as follows w.e.f. 2nd May, 1978: — was intended to run on a "no profit no loss" basis. The initial capacity of the Central Dairy was 2.55 (1) Toney milk ................... Rs. 1.80 lakh litres of milk per day which has since been per litre. expanded to 3.75 lakh litres of liquid milk/ day and 0.60 lakh litres of milk/day for production of dairy (2) Double Toned milk Rs. 0.90 products. The capital investment in the scheme as on per litre. 31-3-1977 was Rs. 426.41 lakhs. Since its inception in 1959, the DMS has been running at a loss (except during 1969-70 and 1970- 71). The loss for the current year (1977-78) has been estimated to be Rs. £08.60 lakhs. The selling price of D.M.S. both toned milk and double toned milk has been revised from time to time. The last revision took place on 5-11-73 when the selling price of toned milk was fixed at Rs. 1.30 and double toned milk at Rs. 0.70 per litre. Since 1973, there have been increases in the raw materials such as milk, skimmed milk powder and butteroil. Indeed, the cost of raw materials alone accounts for about 81 per cent of the total cost of production. Additionally, there has been escalation in the prices of petroleum products since 1973 which has also contributed to substantial increases in the cost of processing and distribution of milk by the D.M.S. Due to upward revision of salaries and wages of employees, based on the Pay Com- mission's recommendations, there have been further increases in the cost of production. The sale price of toned milk in large cities of Baroda, Calcutta and Madras ranges from Rs. 1.80 to Rs-1.90 per- litre and double toned milk from Rs. 1.26 t0 Rs. 1.42 per litre. In order, therefore, to enable the Delhi Milk Scheme to run on a 'no profit no loss' basis, it has become 141 Calling Attention to [3 MAY 1978] a matter of urgent 142 public importance 143 Calling Attention to [ RAJYA SABHA ] a maUer oj urgent 144 public importance laints that the people in Delhi have about the Delhi Milk Service. He is also a very pleasant and capable-Minister and, therefore, one does not like to be very hard, specially when he is new. But I should like to point out to flfm that the Delhi Milk Scheme for the last so many years, has been distinguished by reeking— corruption, stinking inefficiency and scrupulous mismanagement and you want the people now to pay the price for this inexcusable corruption and mismanagement, because what you are really asking .the people is to pay the price for mismanagement and corruption there. Sir, the Janata Governr ment has proclaimed with great fanfare, and publicity that it wants to ensure the supply of basic needs cf the people, the essential commodities of life, at fair and reasonable prices, even if they have to be subsidized. But I am wondering how item after item is going up, the prices are being increased by the Government of one item after another and it reminds me of Alice in Wonderland. Things do not seem to be what they are expected to be. You say one thing, but when we go out into the market and into actual life it is quite another thing. First you taxed the beedi of the common man. Then you hiked the electricity charges. Now you are coming down heavily on milk. Is it not a fact that for a poor family of four to five members it is going to be very hard? lifter all, whom is it going to hurt? Certainly, not me, not the other irllna's here, it is going to hurt the lo'west middle class and the poorer sections who are below that class even. A family with four or five children, or a family of four or five members will be spending at least Rs. 30 more on milk. In other words, what you are going to do is to make the milk out of reach of these people. And probably, other things like tea will also go for them because milk prices have gone up. I am quite sure that the price of tea will also go up. Now you have said that the Delhi Milk Scheme under- [Mr. Deputy Chairman in the Chair] DR. V. P. DUTT (Nominated); Mr. Deputy Chairman, Sir, the hon. Minister is new to Delhi and actually he doet not know the kind of coir.p 145 Calling Attention to [ 3 MAY 1978 ] a matter of urgent 146 public importance taking's business was to provide wholesome I was happy to learn that the hon.. Minister is milk and you have compared the prices with himself looking into ttus. So I would like to Bombay. I do not know if the hon. Minister is ask, if you are yourself looking into it, getting his milk from the Delhi Milk Scheme would you stop the increase in prices until you or not, but I would like to ask; What kind of have fully gone into the whole question, until milk is being provided by the DMS? Is it you have fully investigated it, until you have wholesome milk? In fact, sometimes one won- found out the proportion of mismanagement ders whether it is milk at all because all I and the increase in the prices of the so called see—I hpve been using this service for many raw materials—that is the price of the milk years—is powder and water mixed together.