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A Conversation with US Rep. Liz Cheney Hudson Institute Dialogues on American Foreign Policy and World Affairs: A Conversation with U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney Discussion……………………………………………………………………….……..………….………2 • Representative Liz Cheney, U.S. Representative from Wyoming’s at-large congressional district • Walter Russell Mead, Ravenel B. Curry III Distinguished Fellow in Strategy and Statesmanship, Hudson Institute • Lewis Libby, Senior Vice President, Hudson Institute Hudson Institute, Washington D.C. Headquarters 1201 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Suite 400 Washington, DC 20004 May 14, 2019 TRANSCRIPT Please note: This transcript is based off a recording and mistranslations may appear in text. A video of the event is available: https://www.hudson.org/events/1685-dialogues-on-american- foreign-policy-and-world-affairs-a-conversation-with-u-s-rep-liz-cheney52019 A Conversation with U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney | May 14, 2019 SCOOTER LIBBY: Thank you all for coming. I'd like to welcome our live and our video audience to Hudson Institute. I'm Scooter Libby, senior vice president here at the Hudson Institute. Some of you may know me better in my former role as a novelist. (LAUGHTER) LIBBY: We have two bestselling authors here. I don't like to brag, but my sales exceeded triple digits. (LAUGHTER) LIBBY: It's a pleasure to be in the presence of Representative Liz Cheney from Wyoming in her second term. She is a member of the Armed Services Committee and the Natural Resources Committee and most recently named chairwoman of the House Republican Conference, which makes her the third-ranking Republican in Congress - in the House. And it also makes her the highest-ranking woman in the House ever. LIZ CHENEY: Republican. LIBBY: Republican woman in the House, sorry. (LAUGHTER) LIBBY: Thank you for the correction. According to a widely cited publication, The Hill, when she got this appointment, her... WALTER RUSSELL MEAD: She was elected. LIBBY: When you were elected to this appointment... (LAUGHTER) LIBBY: I'm about to prove the point of this comment. Your father said to you, don't screw it up. Liz, you used to say that to me daily, as I've now demonstrated. And I'm sorry to say that I never took this as a sign of affection. Now, it may not surprise you that Liz's first campaign for the House came in 1978, when she was 12 years old, and she got lost at the Douglas, Wyo., state fairgrounds. Liz has never been lost when it comes to issues important to our country. It's my pleasure to have worked alongside her three times, notably, when she was the principal deputy assistant secretary of state for the Middle East. There were some tense times back in those days, but she was always informed, insightful, calm and commanding. Her meteoric rise in the House and in the nation is no surprise to those of us who have worked with her. We're also lucky to have with us Walter Russell Mead, my colleague, the Ravenel Curry distinguished fellow in strategy and statesmanship and the global view columnist at The Wall Street Journal. I recommend to you today's column on the U.S. foreign policy and Secretary Pompeo's speech, which is typical of his great work. He's also the author of two outstanding books, "Special Providence: American Foreign Policy And How It Changed the World" and "God And Gold: Britain, America, And The Making Of The Modern World." These have been praised by reviewers, historians and diplomats. In short, he's an insightful columnist and a careful historian and as you may see today, a man with a great sense of humor. The Czech-born novelist Milan Kundera wrote during the era of totalitarian socialism. And he begins his greatest novel by exposing the dangers of airbrushing history - that is changing history for political ends. 2 A Conversation with U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney | May 14, 2019 Decades earlier, the British novelist George Orwell did the same. We don't have totalitarian socialism or socialists in America today. But now, as then, there are the dangers of rewriting history and distorting issues. We have, still, dangers posed by authoritarian states like Iran, China and North Korea. We still have to foster economic growth and alliances and protect our environment. And technology continues to change our military needs, our economy and our world. We're lucky to have today a talented historian and a brave and insightful chairwoman here to help us understand what lies ahead. Walter, we'll begin with a discussion. And perhaps at the end, there'll be time for questions. Walter. MEAD: Great. Thanks, Scooter, for that introduction. And thank you so much, Representative Cheney, for coming to be with us this morning. Let me just say to the audience that the representative has agreed to take questions at the end. And so in order to make this process a little more orderly, we have - interns will be passing out pieces of paper for you to write questions. You can write your name and affiliation, if you'd like, on the question. And then afterwards, I'll take a look and see if I can't group the questions or otherwise do it in a sensible way. Also, she has to leave at 12:50, and we are holding an elevator for her. So I'd ask that all of us stay put until she has a chance to get away. These dialogues that we have here at Hudson with policymakers and significant figures in public life are intended, really, not to try to get away from the normal format of Washington journalistic or television interviews and sort of gotcha - trying to sort of force people to respond in soundbites and so on. Our purpose here is to give you a chance and give our friends watching on video and television a chance to really get your own sense of what a figure in public life thinks, how they look at the world. And then you come to your own conclusions about whether or not you agree with this person's point of view. So I'm not here - I'm actually here to try to draw out this shy flower here and see if we can't encourage her to speak her mind with us. And the first question I've got is, you look around the world today, and I don't know when I've seen as many crises. Now the China trade talks are causing the stock market to whiplash every day. I guess we've got drones attacking Saudi petroleum facilities. We've got ships in the Persian Gulf being hit, sabotaged. We've got Venezuela in chaos. We've got Ukraine situation. So a lot of things everywhere you look around the world are in chaos, so what should American priorities be at this time? CHENEY: Well, thank you, first of all, Russell - or Walter for having me here today. Thank you to Hudson. Thank you to Scooter for the great introduction. And thanks for the opportunity to talk about these issues. You're right. I completely agree with you. If you look at the world we face, you look at the complexity of the challenges, you look at the threats, you look at the number of them, I don't think we've had as complicated of a threat environment, globally, since, certainly, World War II as the one we face today. And it's complicated for a number of reasons that you - you've mentioned some of them. If you look at the threats that we face, you know, we've got the threat continuing, ongoing from radical Islamic terrorism, the threat from Iran, from North Korea, obviously the return of the great power conflict with Russia, with China. And in many cases, these threats have arisen during a time period in which our own capabilities were diminishing. And I think you can clearly look at the period of the Obama administration. You can see the determination - frankly, the combination of the Obama administration policies and what was going on in Congress and our ability to put in place the kind of defense budgets that are necessary. And so you had a period of decline in the United States in our capability while you were, at the same time, seeing a pretty rapid increase in our adversaries' capabilities. And I think there's a 3 A Conversation with U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney | May 14, 2019 real disconnect, in many ways, between sort of what the American public generally believes about our capabilities - I think we've become very accustomed to thinking that we're going to have dominance in every domain at all times - and the disconnect between that general belief and the reality we're facing where, you know, you've got things like the threat of hypersonic weapons. You've got, obviously, what's going on in the cyberworld. You've got what's happening in space. You've got what's happening with respect to nuclear modernization that we've seen both the Chinese and the Russians, in particular, involved with. And so, you know, we - President Trump made the right decision over the course of the last two years in terms of allocating the resources, requesting the resources necessary, Congress approving those resources and appropriating them for the defense budget. But we have to recognize that's going to be an ongoing challenge and one that, you know, we can't just say we've provided resources necessary for two years. We have to ensure that we continue that build-up.
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