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1 IN THE MATTER OF THE JOINT REVIEW PANEL ("JOINT PANEL") ESTABLISHED TO REVIEW THE SITE C CLEAN ENERGY PROJECT ("PROJECT") PROPOSED BY BRITISH COLUMBIA HYDRO AND POWER AUTHORITY ("BC HYDRO") CANADA ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AGENCY AND BRITISH COLUMBIA ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OFFICE _______________________________________ PROCEEDINGS AT HEARING December 14, 2013 Volume 7 Pages 1 to 240 ___________________________________ C o p y ________________________________________ Held at: The Pearkes Centre Gymnasium 10801 Dudley Drive Hudson's Hope, British Columbia Mainland Reporting [email protected] 2 APPEARANCES JOINT REVIEW PANEL: Dr. Harry Swain - Chairman. Ms. Jocelyne Beaudet. Mr. Jim Mattison. Brian Wallace, Esq. (Legal Counsel) THE SECRETARIAT: Courtney Trevis (Panel Co-Manager) Brian Murphy (Panel Co-Manager) PARTICIPANTS: Craig Godsoe, Esq., BC Hydro (Legal Counsel) Peter Feldberg, Esq., BC Hydro (Legal Counsel) Ms. Bridget Gilbride, BC Hydro (Legal Counsel) REALTIME COURT REPORTING: Mainland Reporting Services, Inc. Diane Huggins, OCR. Steve Lee, OCR. Leanne Kowalyk, OCR. AUDIO/SOUND SYSTEM: AVW-TELAV Audio Visual Solutions Alex Barbour. Technical Services Representative. Mainland Reporting [email protected] 3 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS DESCRIPTION PAGE NO. Opening remarks by the Chairman: 5 Presentation by Dr. Christoph Weder, 5 Heritage Angus Presentation by Grace Setsuko Okada 18 Presentation by William Lindsay 30 Presentation by William Lindsay and 33 Ross Peck, Hudson's Hope Historical Society Presentation by Former Chief George 49 Desjarlais Presentation by Katherine Burseth 62 Questions from the floor 89 Presentation by Derrek Beam 118 Presentation by Stephie Ackroyd 141 Presentation by Rev. Fay Lavallee, St. 147 Peter's Church Presentation by Douglas Summer 157 Presentation by Judy Duff 168 Presentation by Steven Metzger 180 Presentation by Terry Webster 190 Questions from the floor 203 Responses and conclusion by BC Hydro 230 Mainland Reporting [email protected] 4 INDEX OF UNDERTAKINGS DESCRIPTION PAGE NO. There were no undertakings given during this day. Mainland Reporting Services Inc. [email protected] 5 1 2 December 14, 2013 3 Hudson's Hope, British Columbia 4 (Proceedings commenced at 9:00 a.m.) 5 6 Opening remarks by the Chairman: 7 THE CHAIRMAN: Good morning. 8 Can I invite people to -- could I invite 9 people to take their chairs, please. Small persons 10 can take off their hats. 11 Good morning, and thank you for spending your 12 Saturday morning with these hearings. I have no 13 opening remarks today, having said far too much 14 yesterday. And I would like to proceed directly to 15 our first witness. 16 There's been a slight change in order. 17 Dr. Christoph Weder is going to lead off this 18 morning, exchanging places with Derrek Beam, who 19 will be first off this afternoon. 20 Dr. Weder. 21 22 Presentation by Dr. Christoph Weder, Heritage Angus: 23 DR. WEDER: Which one do I use? This 24 one? Whichever one? 25 THE CHAIRMAN: Yeah. Mainland Reporting Services Inc. [email protected] 6 1 DR. WEDER: Okay. 2 THE CHAIRMAN: That will do fine. You 3 can -- 4 DR. WEDER: My memory stick -- can 5 everybody hear me? 6 THE CHAIRMAN: I'm sorry, you must use a 7 microphone. 8 DR. WEDER: Okay. 9 THE CHAIRMAN: You are being transcribed. 10 DR. WEDER: So I'll just wait for my 11 presentation to be put into the system, and I'm 12 just going to move up so I can see which slide 13 we're going to use. Oh, it's right there too. 14 Okay. 15 THE CHAIRMAN: Push the button on your mic. 16 DR. WEDER: Okay. Well, thank you very 17 much for having me here today. 18 I'll just explain who I am and where I'm 19 from. My name is Christoph Weder, and my family 20 and I just actually recently moved to Hudson's 21 Hope. We purchased a ranch up on Beryl Prairie 22 Road, and we moved in from Alberta at Rycroft, so 23 pretty much 300 kilometres straight to the east of 24 us. 25 And so I'm going to talk a little bit about Mainland Reporting Services Inc. [email protected] 7 1 our business and what we do and why we chose to 2 come to Hudson's Hope and how this whole dam fits 3 with us and actually the whole environment and what 4 we're doing here. 5 So part of my presentation I'm giving you 6 guys is we have a branded-beef program. We're the 7 only company in Canada that exports beef to Europe. 8 In fact, we started 10 years ago with a group of 9 producers shortly after BSE, and now we've become 10 the largest beef exporter in Europe. Our company 11 now sells in excess of $20 million of beef a year, 12 and I'm going to talk a little bit about that, and 13 this is -- what I'm going to show you is a 14 presentation that I give to my customer on what 15 sets our beef apart, and it's -- our story is more 16 than just beef. 17 We have a slogan in our company. Our company 18 is called Heritage Angus, and our slogan is "Be 19 Part of Something Good," which can be construed as 20 many things from how it's raised to the quality of 21 the beef and the story behind it. 22 THE CHAIRMAN: Dr. Weder, slow down. You're 23 being transcribed. 24 DR. WEDER: All right. So this is what I 25 show my customers, where we are in Canada, and Mainland Reporting Services Inc. [email protected] 8 1 obviously these are where our two ranches are: one 2 in Alberta and one in British Columbia. 3 There is my family. We have four children: 4 Pasco, Nero, Oro and Luna. And Erika is my wife. 5 And what we're all about and how we ranch is 6 about sustainable agriculture. We look after our 7 lands, and if we want to talk about ranching, 8 ranching is probably one of the most 9 environmentally friendly ways of producing food in 10 the world, because one thing about having cattle is 11 it allows for biodiversity to be completely around 12 us. As I always spoke about our ranch in Alberta, 13 we had 145 bird species, 45 mammal species, 14 7 amphibians, 1 reptile and 4 rug rats. And that's 15 what our business is about. 16 We concentrate on cost of production, 17 specialization and value adding. We are also about 18 pasture-based systems and without concentrate 19 supplements. In essence, our business is about 20 four-wheel drived, solar-powered forage 21 biodigesters with a built in forage harvester and a 22 manure spreader in the back end. That's how we 23 make our living. 24 And our goal in agricultural is to work with 25 nature and not against it. Mainland Reporting Services Inc. [email protected] 9 1 And that -- I'll let him finish that, or 2 we're going to get feedback. 3 So, you know, our goal is to work with nature 4 and not against it. And, you know, what I'm 5 getting here is our beef is more than just beef. A 6 lot of people just look at beef in a store as a 7 product that you eat, but what they forget is that 8 the environment that it supports -- and I often 9 get -- hear about we should go visit national parks 10 and so and such forth to see wildlife, and I'd like 11 to argue that we have more biodiversity and more 12 biodiverse lands on ranches than we see in any 13 national park if it's managed correctly. 14 So I talk about our neighbours when I talk to 15 our customers. That's -- you know, that's again 16 what we're about, you know, little creepy crawlies. 17 To the migratory. To these guys. To the big guys. 18 And obviously these guys I have a problem with once 19 in a while as well, but, you know, they're part of 20 the ecosystem. 21 So these are pictures. This is what I sell 22 when I sell our beef. These are the images and the 23 stories that people want to know about. We supply 24 some of the highest five-star hotels in the world 25 including Kempinski and Grand Hyatts and Park Mainland Reporting Services Inc. [email protected] 10 1 Hyatts of the world. And not only do they want a 2 quality beef product in terms of guaranteed 3 tenderness and flavour every time they serve it to 4 their customer, they also want a beef with a story 5 behind it and a story that's real and not just a 6 nice billboard that gets thrown up. They want 7 something that's real, has got substance behind it. 8 And that's really what we have to do as a company 9 in ours. We're a small branded beef program. We 10 can't compete with the likes of the Cargills and 11 the JBSes of the world for producing beef at a 12 cheaper cost, but we can compete by authenticity 13 and maintaining the values of beef production and 14 communicating that to the end users. 15 So again, just pictures here that I want to 16 show. This is how we raise the whole thing and 17 where it comes to. 18 So I worked as a beef specialist for 10 years 19 for the Alberta government, and during that time 20 the only story I could tell the farmers and 21 ranchers I worked with that to be successful and 22 continue, you have to find ways of lowering your 23 cost of production, always find a way to limbo 24 lower, because in essence the producer doesn't have 25 a lot of impact in terms of the price he gets for Mainland Reporting Services Inc.