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House of Assembly Wednesday 4 July 2018 Wednesday 4 July 2018 The Speaker, Ms Hickey, took the Chair at 10 a.m. and read Prayers. RECOGNITION OF VISITORS Madam SPEAKER - Honourable members, I introduce the honourable Rob Molhoek MP and the honourable Mark Boothman MP from the Queensland Parliament who will be visiting our parliament for our question time - obviously interested in how well disciplined we are - and they are seated in the Speaker's Reserve. Members - Hear, hear. QUESTIONS Reproductive Health Services for Women Ms WHITE question to MINISTER for HEALTH, Mr FERGUSON [10.03 a.m.] Yesterday you tabled the report on termination of pregnancies in your response to the fact that safe, accessible and affordable terminations in Tasmania have been unavailable since January. It confirms the submissions received included one from Pregnancy Counselling and Support Tasmania, a group which has now also received an increase in its annual funding from government. Pregnancy Counselling and Support Tasmania is a pro-life organisation which does not offer counselling or information about termination for women looking for advice. In 2013 a senior counsellor with this organisation told the parliamentary committee on the access to terminations bill, and I quote - Should the current bill under inquiry become law we would have to close our counselling service because we are a life pregnancy counselling agency and as such our counsellors hold a conscientious objection to referring directly to an abortion provider or indirectly to another counsellor who will do so. In responding to the need to increase and provide access to termination, why would you as Health minister increase funding to an organisation which does not support this legal procedure and does not have anything to offer in relation to providing greater access? ANSWER Madam Speaker, I thank the member for her question. It is very disappointing that the member is rubbishing an organisation that does provide valuable support to Tasmanians. It is a shame that a question of that nature would be asked that deliberately tends to damage the organisation. It may surprise the member who has asked this question that this organisation has been funded by the Tasmanian government for many years. I am advised that this organisation has been in place since 1975 and has had a continuing relationship with the Tasmanian government for all those years. 1 4 July 2018 Ms O'Byrne - Why do they need more money to increase access, when they do not need the access? Mr FERGUSON - It may surprise the member who asked the question that the member sitting next to her who was the health minister funded the organisation as well when she was the health minister. Members interjecting. Madam SPEAKER - Order. Mr FERGUSON - I can advise that Pregnancy Counselling and Support Tasmania is an organisation that this Government supports. It is a worthy organisation. It is a longstanding, non- government organisation that offers wonderful support to women throughout pregnancy, also to families who are unable to conceive. It provides support to women who are considering abortion and provides full options counselling, and also provides counselling to women who have had an abortion and want that support. That is to be supported. It should be encouraged. Rather than judging and being so harsh to these people who provide wonderful care - Ms White - Not about increasing access, though, is it? Mr FERGUSON - and concern for people. It is the case if this is to be the political attack - Ms O'Byrne - This is how you skewed the report. Madam SPEAKER - Order. Mr FERGUSON - then unfortunately it falls to me to also tell members opposite that it was funded under Ms Giddings as health minister, and by Ms O'Byrne as health minister. Members interjecting. Madam SPEAKER - Order. I understand this is a contentious issue, but I ask that you show decorum in this parliament. Mr FERGUSON - Thank you Madam Speaker. I expected this question may come along. I asked for some advice and I can advise this House, and particularly the member who has asked this question, that as health minister Ms O'Byrne provided this organisation with more than $25 000 each year and since 2006 just going back two terms only, under Labor, $200 000 overall. This is in addition to the more than $2 million of funding Ms O'Byrne had provided annually to the three non-government organisations that are prescribed health providers, being Women's Health Tasmania, Family Planning Tasmania and The Link Youth Health Service. We all understand the member's interest in this issue - Members interjecting. Madam SPEAKER - Order. 2 4 July 2018 Mr FERGUSON - I do not want to see this kind of rank hypocrisy in this House. It is hypocrisy from members opposite who are choosing to conveniently forget their own history on this, and ignore facts. I wonder if Ms O'Byrne funded this organisation because she shares my view that they do provide valuable support to women and families in Tasmania. ______________________________ Recognition of Visitors Madam SPEAKER - Honourable members, I advise that we have students from the Legal Studies Course at Rosny College. Welcome to parliament. ______________________________ Reproductive Health Services for Women Ms WHITE question to MINISTER for HEALTH, Mr FERGUSON [10.08 a.m.] You claim to be in negotiations with a private terminations provider to begin operation in Tasmania by October. You know that Tasmanian women, particularly women from regional areas, will be no better off if these negotiations are successful. In fact, they will be hampered by the requirement to travel to access services. Why have you proven yet again that you are hell-bent on prohibiting women's reproductive services in this state by not delivering terminations in the public health system? ANSWER Madam Speaker, I will attempt to be fair-minded in my response to this question. We are seeing rank hypocrisy from the Leader of the Opposition on this issue. I again say that I completely recognise that this is a very deeply difficult decision for women considering whether or not to continue with a pregnancy. This Government also recognises that we needed to offer more support and we have been doing that in the most responsible, sensitive and professional way we can. No- one has been helped by the political attacks that we are seeing on this issue from members opposite. I have been asked a question about the in-principle agreement that has been reached between the department of Health and a private provider. I would have thought, now wrongly, that Ms White would welcome that. She has not welcomed it. Yesterday, the department of Health announced that it had reached an in-principle five-year agreement for a new private provider to deliver exactly what Ms White has been calling for - locally provided, low-cost surgical termination of pregnancy services in Tasmania. The moment an update has been provided from the department of Health that an in-principle agreement around that has been reached, we are seeing more politicking from the Labor Party in the House today. My advice is that the service would commence by October. It has more matters that are being followed through now that the in-principle agreement has been reached. They include finalising terms of the agreement, as well as licensing and accreditation requirements, which are important and necessary. 3 4 July 2018 One thing the Leader of the Opposition again failed to include in her question was what her shadow health minister had to say about this an hour or so ago on statewide radio. It may shock the Leader of the Opposition to know that the shadow minister for health, Sarah Lovell, agreed today on ABC radio that this is exactly the service Labor had in place when they were in government. I believe the words that were used were, 'That is absolutely right', or, 'That's correct'. What we are seeing is rank political hypocrisy and an attempt to score points on what everybody in this House should recognise is a deeply sensitive issue. Opposition members interjecting. Mr FERGUSON - There are no interjections coming from over here. All the noise is coming from over there. We recognise this is a sensitive issue but trying to play divisive politics on this helps no-one. Zero people are being helped by Labor's politicking. One thing Labor did not have in place was PTAS for intrastate travel to the service. We are saying that should be provided. As well as that, as the first question briefly hinted at, there is funding going to Pregnancy Counselling and Support Tasmania but the Leader of the Opposition failed to reference the additional funding also being provided to the prescribed health services. That includes Women's Health Tasmania, Family Planning Tasmania - she did not mention that. It includes The Link - she did not mention that. Ms White - You are dishonest. I mentioned the pro-life organisation you funded. It does not increase access one bit. Mr FERGUSON - The Government has been handling this to be sensitive, professional - Madam SPEAKER - Order. I am very conscious that this is a sensitive issue. I am, with great indulgence, allowing interjection here, but it has to calm down. Minister, if you could wind up, that would be good. Ms White - Sit down. Mr FERGUSON - I will sit down when I am ready. I have effectively concluded my answer but it is important that we be allowed to exchange respectful points of view on this. I conclude by inviting the Opposition to be more respectful of everybody in this space. Let us not rubbish certain organisations and let us instead take some of the politics out of this, because the number of people being helped by your policy is zero - Time expired.
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