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HOME NEWS & MEDIA JOIN / UPDATE / RENEW CBA.ORG CONTACT US FRANÇAIS SEARCH : SEA SIGN IN MY CBA WHO WE ARE OUR WORK SECTIONS & PROFESSIONAL PUBLICATIONS MEMBERSHIP & FOR THE PUBLIC COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT & RESOURCES BENEFITS SECTIONS & COMMUNITY THE THREE CHIEFS: INTERVIEWS WITH THE THREE CHIEF JUSTICES OF ONTARIO ON THE COURTS' Join Sections RESPONSE TO COVID-19 AND THE MODERNIZATION OF About Sections THE JUSTICE SYSTEM Civil Litigation January 12, 2021 About Chief Justice George R. Strathy, Court of Appeal for Ontario; Chief Justice Georey B. Morawetz, Executive Ontario Superior Court of Justice; Chief Justice Lise Maisonneuve, Ontario Court of Justice; and Professional Development David Milosevic Fundamental Sunrise Series News Share Articles Articles 2019 As we start the new year with hope for an emergence from COVID-19 in 2021, we are witnessing rapid changes to Articles 2020 the justice system. Articles 2021 Resources The challenges posed to our justice system by the pandemic, and the courts’ response to those challenges, have Submissions and been a central feature of our lives this past year and will continue into 2021. Legislative Updates But as we look ahead, we see that long-delayed reforms are now underway, with the support of the Chief Justices Galleries of the Ontario Court of Justice, the Ontario Superior Court of Justice and the Court of Appeal for Ontario. Awards E-Discovery At the end of 2020, I interviewed Chief Justice Lise Maisonneuve of the Ontario Court of Justice, Chief Justice Section Constitution Georey B. Morawetz of the Ontario Superior Court of Justice and Chief Justice George R. Strathy of the Court of National Section Appeal for Ontario. Discussion Board The Chief Justices looked back to the early days of the pandemic and described how quickly the challenge of the COVID-19 crisis descended on our institutions, and recounted the urgent response required by the courts in the initial stages of the pandemic. In our interviews, the Chief Justices provide updates on current court operations and challenges the courts are currently facing. Then we look ahead and discuss the future of the justice system in Ontario. Our profession is changing. Court modernization spurred by the pandemic oers real benets in eciency, reduced costs and, it is hoped, greater access to justice. But as with all changes, there are risks as well as benets. The Chief Justices discuss the risk of change, and how to ensure that change benets all Ontarians, not just those with access to the technology that will dene our system going forward. By way of brief introduction, Chief Justice Maisonneuve was appointed Chief Justice of the Ontario Court of Justice in April 2015. Chief Justice Maisonneuve heads Canada’s largest Court, which hears over 200,000 criminal cases (almost 480,000 criminal charges), millions of provincial oences such as trac tickets, and serves over 20,000 families in crisis annually. The Court sits in over 150 locations throughout the province. Prior to her appointment as Chief Justice, Her Honour was associate Chief Justice since 2013, and a judge of the Court from 2001-2013. Chief Justice Morawetz was appointed to the Ontario Superior Court of Justice in 2005. The Superior Court is the busiest superior court in Canada, with nearly 200,000 new matters commenced in the Superior Court each year. His Honour served as the court’s team leader of the Commercial List from 2010 to 2013, when he was appointed Regional Senior Justice for the Toronto region. In this role, he heard civil, commercial and Divisional Court matters. He was appointed Chief Justice of the Court on July 1, 2019. Chief Justice Strathy was appointed to the Court of Appeal for Ontario on April 25, 2013, and was subsequently appointed as Chief Justice of Ontario and President of the Court of Appeal for Ontario on June 13, 2014. The Court of Appeal for Ontario hears some 1000 appeals and over 1000 motions each year. From 2007-2013, Chief Justice Strathy served as a judge of the Superior Court of Justice in the Toronto Region, where he presided over civil, class action and criminal matters. David Milosevic: Can you tell me when you rst recognized that COVID might pose a signicant threat to normal court operations? Chief Justice Maisonneuve (OCJ): I think you can imagine when COVID hit, it was quite a shock to the system. For our world and courts, it was probably like everyone else, mid-February to the end of February. And then right in the beginning of March, within six days, everything had to come almost to a halt in the system. So it came quickly, like the rest of society, I think. Everyone was quite shocked how quickly the virus could spread, and the impact that could have on our society. And more specically for me, on the courts. Chief Justice Morawetz (ONSC): I would liken it to a snowball coming down the hill. It started o quite slowly, and I think it was around January when we heard the rst report of a positive case in Canada. It was in Toronto - an individual who I recollect had been traveling overseas. But by that point, given that it was starting to get into the press each day, we did get in touch with the Ministry of the Attorney General to review whatever plans they had in the event of community transmission. We also had a meeting with the Ministry ocials in mid-February. I think it is fair to say that both my Executive Legal Ocer, Mohan Sharma, and I were concerned about the suciency of the Ministry's plan. It's always great to look at these things with the benet of hindsight, but I think right across society generally, there was a lack of appreciation as to how serious this issue would become. Chief Justice Strathy (ONCA): It came on very suddenly. I distinctly remember ying back from Ottawa on the evening of the 12th of March. By the time I woke up on Friday, the 13th of March, it was pretty clear that we were going to have to take immediate steps to address the pandemic. On the following Monday we canceled all hearings scheduled for that day. On the Tuesday, Ontario declared a state of emergency. We immediately cancelled hearings for the balance of the week, and then essentially for the balance of the month of March. Ultimately, we didn't hear any matters other than urgent matters, until about the end of April. David Milosevic: What were the rst measures the court undertook to respond to the pandemic? Chief Justice Maisonneuve (OCJ): It quickly became apparent to us that the one thing we had to do was reduce the amount of trac in the buildings themselves. So we had to reduce the amount of people coming in. From my perspective, the rst thing we did is we looked at our busiest court. Which courts attract most people? Well, of course, in the criminal those are remand courts, are plea courts. And then to a lesser extent, the trials and the preliminary hearings. And of course the same with family. The case management court for family, the emergency motions for family. So right away those courts, we tried our best to make them virtual. And in some instance, we could not set up the virtual appearance fast enough, so we automatically developed directives to have automatic adjournments. So if you were to appear in a certain court for your case management court in criminal, you were automatically adjourned for 10 weeks, let's say, at the beginning, without the need of appearing, so that we would stop people from appearing. And at the same time, however, we realized that there's some courts that needed to continue at the beginning, and still do now, which was the bail court, for example. People who are arrested overnight and have a right to their bail hearings, we just couldn't stop that operation. So we immediately tried to do everything we could remotely. And that was quite a challenge, because unfortunately, the courts and the jails are not equipped with the proper infrastructure to have a call like you and I are having now. That was not in place, we were not doing that before COVID. So we had to quickly react to make sure that those people were served, and that there was still access to justice, even though we were in a pandemic. We did our best, but yes, some were delayed, especially in our larger centers. And we even went to doing bail hearings by phone, which is not the optimal conditions to have for a bail hearing. A bail hearing is a very important part of the process. We have to remember that people are presumed innocent, and they haven't been found guilty yet. And the bail hearing needs to be accommodated. So we did our best to do everything we could. We did many by phone until we could get the infrastructure to be able to use more of our video capacity. We did have some capacity in before, but we never counted on the volume to have to deal with all of the bail hearings. Because before COVID, of course, we were bringing people into the building, and we were just doing our remands by video, not actually running a full bail hearing, which sometimes could last two to three hours in any court. So if you look at Ontario as a whole, and you start having everyone appearing by video, the system couldn't handle it. We didn't have the infrastructure.