'Please Don't Call Me a Pensioner!' Says Sue Lawley
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'Please don't call me a pensioner!' says Sue Lawley By Kathryn Knight Newsreader and broadcaster Sue Lawley, 62, presented Desert Island Discs on BBC Radio 4 for 18 years before resigning in 2006. Since then she has largely remained out of the public eye, but is back on our screens as a participant in Bridge: Celebrity Grand Slam on Sky TV, hosted by Clive Anderson. She has two grown-up children from her first marriage to solicitor David Ashby, but since 1987 has been married to TV producer Hugh Williams. The couple live in London and Devon. News reader and broadcaster Sue Lawley - presenter of Radio 4's Desert Island Discs for 18 years - says that at 62, she still feels like a 37 year old You seem to have been away for a long time… I still do my bit - I chair the Annual Reith Lectures for the BBC and I do quite a bit of travel journalism. But yes, by and large I stay out of the public eye. Producers ring up and say things like, 'We'd love to get the old Nationwide team back together', and I think, 'Actually, can we not?' I suppose, fundamentally, I don't really feel the need to do any more, so unless I really enjoy something, like the bridge programme I've just worked on, then there's no point. I like my privacy too much. I hate seeing interviews printed - there's always something in them you don't like. I've been happier since I haven't been putting myself about. You’re a bit of a dab hand at bridge, by all accounts? I’m an amateur, but I have played for years, on and off, and I do enjoy it. I tried for years to get the game on TV and never managed to, as it’s so complicated. Then this show came along and I thought, ‘Why not?’ It was a great experience – there were seven of us holed up in a country house hotel for two days, competing for a share of £20,000 in prize money that gets awarded to charity. We were a pretty motley crew, though, it must be said. [Model-turned-photographer] Pattie Boyd was my partner, and she was actually surprisingly good. There was a degree of humiliation to it all, of course. I was so nervous that I made a couple of fundamental errors – the people I play bridge with back in Devon will be stopping me in the Do you spend most of your time in Devon? Actually, we’re in London more as my husband still works in television, and I do a certain amount too – although not as much as I used to. So we move up and down as we feel like it. We do spend summers in the country, though, as well as family Christmases. We’ve owned our home in Budleigh Salterton, near Exeter, for 14 years. It’s wonderful, a proper house by the sea – we turn left out of our front gate and we’re on the beach, where we rent a hut from the council in summer. Hugh and I dreamed about living somewhere like this a long time ago, and when we started talking about actually doing it, I remembered that I’d been to Budleigh Salterton when I was working on Nationwide. I said, ‘There’s this lovely little place down in Devon, let’s go and take a look at it.’ It was just as charming as I remembered, and Hugh loved it, too. Eventually, this house came on the market. It’s smaller than the one we owned in Putney, southwest London, but the children were leaving home so we didn’t need so much space. We sold up and bought a smaller place in Chelsea. Sue Lawley, centre, with fellow Nationwide presenters Bob Wellings, left, and Hugh Scully, right. 'Producers ring up and say things like, 'We'd love to get the old Nationwide team back together', and I think, 'Actually, can we not?' Do you miss presenting Desert Island Discs? No, not at all. I’m not one for going back or revisiting things. I had been thinking about leaving for some time because it had dominated my life for so long, both in terms of the hours I put in working on it, and also as it was the only thing anyone would ever want to talk to me about. I just got bored with it. Do you still listen to the show? When I come across it by chance, which isn’t that often. I didn’t listen to myself presenting much, either. I did surprise myself by feeling nostalgic about it after I left and not, at first, wanting to hear Kirsty Young presenting it. I felt temporarily proprietorial, but that feeling soon slipped away. I think the baton has been passed on to a very worthy successor. You could go back to newsreading, of course… I don’t think so. Years ago, when I was reading the news, I used to say that I’d be interested to see if I would still be doing it when I was 56 or 60, when I had what I used to refer to as ‘luggage around the eyes’, which is what they used to say about the late newsreader Peter Woods in the 1970s. The fact is that the way women look on television is deemed far more important than the way men look – ’twas ever thus and it’s still the case. The other thing is that if a woman is a tenacious interviewer she’s criticised for being a bit of a headmistress, but if a man is like that, people just say he’s good at his job. It’s an ever-present bias. How have you found being in your 60s? I have to admit that I don’t like being over 60. I’d never been that bothered about age before, but, suddenly, you get the bus pass and the winter fuel allowance and it comes as quite a shock. I find myself reading newspaper articles where they describe a 60- year-old woman as a ‘pensioner’, which sounds so old, and then thinking, ‘I’m older than her.’ I like to think I don’t look my age – in my head I’m 37. I reckon this is the perfect age: old enough to know who you are and still young enough to exploit your potential. Have you ever been tempted by the surgeon’s knife? Whenever I meet someone who’s had a bit of Botox or a nip ’n’ tuck, I’m riveted – and, of course, one looks in the mirror and is tempted. But I don’t really think I could go through with it myself – in fact, I know I couldn’t. I shall stick with walking and playing golf, and hope the years are kind. .