IEEE P802.11 Wireless Lans s73

September 2007 doc.: IEEE 802.11-07/2395r0

IEEE P802.11 Wireless LANs

TGy September 11th Telecon Minutes

Date: 2007-09-11

Author(s): Name Company Address Phone email 170 W. Tasman Dr. Peter Cisco Systems MS SJ-10-5 +1-408-527-0815 [email protected] Ecclesine San Jose, CA 95134-1706

Abstract This document contains the minutes from the September 11th 2007 TGy teleconference call

Submission page 1 Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems September 2007 doc.: IEEE 802.11-07/2395r0

Minutes from September 11th 2007 TGy Teleconference Call

Agenda:a

Preliminary 11 September Agenda: 1) Roll call 2) Approval of agenda 3) "Are you aware of, and understand the IEEE patent policy", if not "Refer the correct section or IEEE Patcom URL" http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt 4) Review and approve July plenary minutes, (07/2269r1), August 28 (07/2353r1) and September 4 (07/2366r0) teleconference minutes 5) Review of comment validity rules and obligation to file a valid vote a) Comments on changed text b) Comments on text affected by changed text c) Comments on text referred to by outstanding unresolved comments d) 07/0360r3 Section 6.4

6) Discussion of P802.11y D4.0,

LB-94-104-106-109 Comment spreadsheet, D4 comments, 07/2333r3, submissions 07/2364r0 (misc PHY comments),

07/2365r1 LB109 Submission for ECSA comments,

07/2382r1 LB109 non-Editorial comments,

07/2383r1 LB109 Editorial comments and

07/2384r0 LB109 DSE comments and Public Action.

Please post any submissions you want to discuss on the 11 September teleconference to document server and announce on the TGy list by end of Monday (23:59 ET) . 7) Plans to work at Waikoloa session and after Waikoloa 8) Any other discussion – next teleconf 25 September 13:00 ET for up to 1 hour, discussing procedure for going to Sponsor Ballot, LB109, LB106, LB104 and LB94 comments and submissions

9) Adjourn at or before 16:00 ET

Proceedings:

. Chair calls telecon to order 13:02 ET

. Roll call – Peter Ecclesine (Cisco), Rich Kennedy (ETS-Lindgren), Scott Blue (unaffiliated), Dan Lubar (Relay Services), Douglas Chan (Cisco)

. Chair reviews proposed telecon Agenda and asks for approval of same

. Chair asks if anyone objects to accepting the agenda as stated. Hearing no objection, the telecon agenda is approved.

. Chair asks if anyone has not read the IEEE patent policy (Patcom Statement)

. Chair asks: "Are you aware of, and understand the IEEE patent policy? If not refer the correct section or IEEE Patcom URL: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt ” Submission page 2 Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems September 2007 doc.: IEEE 802.11-07/2395r0

. Chair asks: “..does anyone not understand the IEEE patent policy as read?" No reply is heard

. Chair asks: “Are there matters that the WG chair needs to be informed of related to essential patents?” No reply is heard

. Chair asked if there were any matters arising from the posted minutes of the July plenary (07/2269r1) or the August 28 (07/2353r1) and September 4 (07/2366r0) teleconferences. Hearing none, the chair asked “Is there any objection to approving the aforementioned minutes by unanimous consent.” Hearing no objection, the minutes are approved.

. The chair briefly reviewed comment validity rules and obligation to file a valid vote . Chair displayed the comment resolution spreadsheet (07/2333r3) and reviewed the responses, and discussed the document submissions 07/2384r0 - DSE, 07/2383r1 – Editorial, 07/2382r0 – Non-Editorial, 07/2365r0 – ECSA and 07/2364r0 – (still being formulated, will discuss the email trail) . Chair discussed rewriting that will be done to separate ECSA from the CSA clause in the transition from D4.0 to D5.0. . Chair reviewed comments and resolutions in 07/2384r0: o CID 3002 – Reject; clause 3 is for definitions, not full descriptions o CID 3004 – Reject; use of “shall” in clause 7 has precedents, need not be removed for . 11y o CID 3184 – Accept in Principle o CID 3052 – Accept in Principle o CID 3098 – Accept in Principle o CID 3061 – Accept in Principle o CID 3153 – Reject; the length is 20 because Element ID and Length are excluded o CID 3063 – Accept in Principle o CID 3085 – Accept in Principle; rewrite the text o CID 3086 – Accept o CID 3062 – Accept in Principle o CID 3064 – Accept in Principle o CID 3087 – Accept in Principle o CID 3061 – Accept in Principle o CID 3096 – Reject; the enabling STA is not necessarily aware of dependent STA locations, but uses the 16-bit DEI when an interference report includes a DEI. It is much simpler than maintaining the MAC address fields of all dependent STAs, and requiring the interference reports to include the MAC address fields. o CID 3171 – Reject; CIDS 3061 and 3135 result in explicit interBSS messages. Will change the sentence to note it is beyond the scope of this standard to specify the details. o CID 3025 – Accept in Principle . Chair asked if there were any questions or comments on the resolutions of 07/2384r0; hearing none he proceeded . Chair reviewed comments and resolutions in 07/2383r1: o CID 3008 – Accept in Principle o CID 3100 – Accept in Principle o CID 3028 – Reject; no hypens needed o CID 3163 – Accept in Principle . Chair asked if there were any questions or comments on the resolutions of 07/2383r1; hearing none he proceeded . Chair reviewed comments and resolutions in 07/2382r0 o CID 3003 – Reject; this was added in TGk o CID 3158 and 3159 – Reject; VendorSpecificInfo set by SME, just like CSA 7.4.1.5 and 10.3.15.1 o CID 3160 – Reject; specifically is needed in situations where regulatory requirements differ from the LCIDSE that is being standardized. VendorSpecificInfo set by SME, just like CSA 7.4.1.5 and 10.3.15.1

. Chair asked if there were any questions or comments on the resolutions of 07/2382r0; hearing none he proceeded . Chair reviewed comments and resolutions in 07/2365r0: o CID 3146, 3150 and 3151 – Reject; regulatory class specifies this o CID 3154 and 3155 – Accept in Principle; text removed in CID 3176 o CID 3111 and 3112 – Accept in Principle o CID 3060 – Reject; no additional field is proposed o CID 3152 – Reject; Element ID and length are excluded so it is 4, not 6 o CID 3162 and 3042 – Accept o CID 3065 – Accept in Principle o CID 3036 – Reject o CID 3156 – Reject o CID 3009 – Accept in Principle o CID 3010 – Accept in Principle o CID 3041 – Accept in Principle o CID 3180 – Accept in Principle . Chair stated that all but one part of 11.9.7.1 would be deleted, and a new clause would be inserted with the removed text: 11.9a – ECSA . Chair continued the discussion of comments ane resolutions: o CID 3078 – Accept in Principle o CID 3077 – Accept in Principle o CID 3097 – Accept in Principle . Chair asked if there were any questions or comments on the resolutions of 07/2365r0; hearing none he proceeded . Chair reviewed comments and resolutions in the still pending 07/2364r0: o CID 3026 – Accept in Principle o CID 3027 – Accept in Principle o CID 3109 – Accept in Principle o CID 3110 – Accept in Principle . Chair asked if there were any questions or comments on the resolutions of 07/2364r0; hearing none he proceeded . Chair discussed the plans for Waikoloa – two 2-hour sessions . Chair asked if there was any other items to be discussed. . Scott asked about the timeframe for the new draft (D5.0); chair stated we would vote it in at the Waikoloa meeting, and a recirculation ballot would be started. This should be completed by the November meeting and we can go to Sponsor Ballot. . Dan asked when 07/2364 would be uploaded. The chair responded that it is up to the author. . Chair asked if there was any other questions or discussion. . Scott initiated a discussion of adjacent channel interference, like that of TGp, with the “on the bus” scenario; with 10MHz channels, intermodulation can break the network. . Chair stated that 5MHz channels is the answer. . Chair asked if there were any more questions or comments. Hearing none, Scott made a motion to adjourn, seconded by Rich. Chair asked if there were any objections to adjourning. Hearing none, the meeting was adjourned at 14:18 ET

References: FCC 05-56 ( http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-56A1.pdf ) FCC 07-99 ( http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-99A1.pdf )

IEEE 802.11 Drafts (in IEEE 802.11 Member Area) 802.11-2007 P802.11k-D7.0 P802.11n-D2.02 P802.11r-D6.0 P802.11y-D4.00.pdf

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Acronyms/Abbreviations CBP – Contention-Based Protocol CCA – Clear Channel Assessment CSA – Channel Switch Announcement CSMA/CD – Carrier Sense Multiple Access/Collision Detect DFS – Dynamic Frequency Selection DSE – dependent station enablement E-CSA – Extended Channel Switch Announcement ED – Energy Detect LCI – Location Configuration Information PICS – Protocol Implementation Conformance Statement STA – Station TPC – Transmit Power Control

Submission page 6 Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems