Minutes Were Taken and Edited by Jarkko Kneckt, Temporary Secretary

March 2010 IEEE 802.11-10/0381r0

IEEE P802.11 Wireless LANs

March 15th Ad Hoc Meeting Minutes

Author(s): Name Affiliation Address Phone email Rakentajainrinne 6, Nokia Jarkko Kneckt 02330 Espoo, Jarkko.Kneckt(at)Nokia.com Corporation Finland

Abstract The document contains meeting minutes for 802.11s TGs meeting .

Submission page 1 Jarkko Kneckt, Nokia Corporation March 2010 IEEE 802.11-10/0381r0

Monday PM2 meeting.

Minutes were taken and edited by Jarkko Kneckt, temporary secretary. The meeting was chaired by 802.11s vice chair Guido Hiertz.

The following informational pointers were given for the patent policy: IEEE Patent Policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Patent FAQ http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/faq.pdf LoA Form http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/loa.pdf Affiliation FAQ http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html Anti-Trust FAQ http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf Ethics http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs/about/CoE_poster.pdf IEEE 802.11 Working Group Policies and Procedures https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/public-file/07/11-07-0360-04-0000-802-11-policies-and-procedures.doc

The Chair reminded everyone that we are operating under the IEEE Patent Policy. The Chair inquired if anyone on the call was personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of TGs and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance. Such persons must either speak up now or provide 802.11 Chair Bruce Kraemer with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or cause an LOA to be submitted.

In response, no one spoke up.

The Chair reviewed the proposed Agenda: 1. IPR and other relevant IEEE policies (see pointers above) 2. Attendance remainder 3. Secretary selection 4. Approval of the meeting schedule, meeting minutes from LA meeting 5. Presentation of 11-10/194r0 6. Presentation of 11-10/0032r5. 7. Suggest to reopen CIDs 2003, 2327 and 2329. 8. Presentation of 11-10/208r1 9. Recess to sub-groups for comment resolutions 10. Reconvene

More detailed minutes of meeting agenda: 4. Approval of the minutes and meeting agenda The meeting schedule was unanimously approved The meeting minutes from LA meeting were unanimously approved The telecom meeting minutes between LA meeting and Orlando meeting were unanimously approved.

5. Presentation of 11-10/194r0 Kazuyuki Sakoda affiliated with Sony corporation presented the 11-10/194r0 that described the status of the 802.11s comment resolution. No comments were given to the presentation

6. Presentation of 11-10/0032r5 Kazuyuki Sakoda affiliated with Sony corporation presented the 11-10/0032r5 and described the 802.11s comment resolutions and details for reading the spreadsheet. No comments were given to the presentation.

7. Suggest to reopen CIDs 2003, 2327 and 2329. Submission page 2 Jarkko Kneckt, Nokia Corporation March 2010 IEEE 802.11-10/0381r0

Kazuyuki Sakoda affiliated with Sony suggested to reopen CID 2003, 2327 and 2329 for reconsideration by the 802.11s group. The comment resolutions are incomplete and would generate work later. Motion to reopen the comments passed.

8. Presentation of 11-10/208r1 David Halasz affiliated with Aclara presented the 11-10/208r1. No Questions from the presentation were given.

Motion to adopt the document 11-10-208r1 to solve comments 2430, 2431, 2461, 2501, 2503, 2605, 2606 and 2607. No discussion of the motion. Motion passes.

9. Recess to solve comments The group was split into MAC, RFI and security groups. The 802.11s recessed at 16:46.

10. Reconvene and status reports of the subgroups The group reconvened at 17:57. Guido asked documents from each subgroup to be sent to him. The group recessed at 17:58.

Tuesday AM1 meeting.

Minutes were taken and edited by Jarkko Kneckt, temporary secretary. The meeting was chaired by 802.11s chair Dee Denteneer. The meeting reconvened 8:10

The following informational pointers were given for the patent policy: IEEE Patent Policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Patent FAQ http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/faq.pdf LoA Form http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/loa.pdf Affiliation FAQ http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html Anti-Trust FAQ http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf Ethics http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs/about/CoE_poster.pdf IEEE 802.11 Working Group Policies and Procedures https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/public-file/07/11-07-0360-04-0000-802-11-policies-and-procedures.doc

The Chair reviewed the proposed Agenda: 1. IPR and other relevant IEEE policies (see pointers above) 2. Attendance remainder 3. Meeting Minutes 4. Presentation of 11-10-207r0 Dan Harkins, affiliated with Aruba Networks 5. Presentation of 11-10-229r0 Dan Harkins, affiliated with Aruba Networks 6. Presentation of 11-10-224r0 Kazuyuki Sakoda, affiliated with Sony Corporation 7. Presentation of 11-10-268r0 Kazuyuki Sakoda, affiliated with Sony Corporation 8. Presentation of 11-10-345r0 Michael Bahr, affiliated with Siemens Corporation 9. Recess to comment resolutions

4. Presentation of 11-10-207r0 Dan Harkins, affiliated with Aruba Networks Submission page 3 Jarkko Kneckt, Nokia Corporation March 2010 IEEE 802.11-10/0381r0

Some discussion of the submission: Guido Hiertz: I can see the benefits for patent policy. What are the technical benefits of having multiple the cofactors?

Dan: The protocol uses elliptical curves that have cofactor parameter. All the curves have cofactor equal to one. Some curves uses cofactor larger than 1. These curves may need larger processing power. The benefits of the larger cofactors than 1 are not known. Dan: I feel that the group does not see value on having curves that are larger than 1.

Dan selected the US ASCII for pass phrase selection, could there be some other mechanism, or reference

John Buffington (ITron) : On IPR issues. Are sure that we can use the submission without patent violations? DAN: all the operations used by the document are referenced by document that is older than 20 years. Dee (Philips): Perhaps, this is appropriate level of IPR DAN: I will generate new version of the document.

5. Presentation of 11-10-229r0 Dan Harkins, affiliated with Aruba Networks No questions were asked.

Motion to adopt the text changes in submission 11-10-229r0 to resolve CIDs 2316 and direct Editor to incorporate the changes into the draft Mover: Dan Harkins Seconder: Guido Hiertz Yes: 10 No: 0 Abstain: 0. Motion passes. No discussion of the motion.

6. Presentation of 11-10-224r0 Kazuyuki Sakoda, affiliated with Sony Corporation No questions were asked.

7. Presentation of 11-10-268r0 Kazuyuki Sakoda, affiliated with Sony Corporation Some discussion:

Michael Bahr(Siemens) : The submission provides new MIB variable for path discovery. Please check that MIB variable is not duplicating already existing information. The MIB variable was included in LA meeting. Kaz: That is true. I will take care of solving the issue.

8. Presentation of 11-10-345r0 Michael Bahr, affiliated with Siemens Corporation No questions were asked.

9. The status of the comment resolutions was checked. Meeting recessed for comment resolutions 9:28. The meeting reconvened at 9:57 and recessed 9:58.

Tuesday AM2 meeting.

Minutes were taken and edited by Jarkko Kneckt, temporary secretary. The meeting was chaired by 802.11s chair Dee Denteneer. The meeting reconvened 10:33

The following informational pointers were given for the patent policy: IEEE Patent Policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Submission page 4 Jarkko Kneckt, Nokia Corporation March 2010 IEEE 802.11-10/0381r0

Patent FAQ http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/faq.pdf LoA Form http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/loa.pdf Affiliation FAQ http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html Anti-Trust FAQ http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf Ethics http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs/about/CoE_poster.pdf IEEE 802.11 Working Group Policies and Procedures https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/public-file/07/11-07-0360-04-0000-802-11-policies-and-procedures.doc

The Chair reviewed the proposed Agenda: 1. IPR and other relevant IEEE policies (see pointers above) 2. Attendance remainder 3. Recess to ad hoc groups to solve comments 10:34 4. The meeting reconvened 11:58 to recess at 11:59.

Submission page 5 Jarkko Kneckt, Nokia Corporation