LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)

Eighth Scries, Vol. Ill No. 13 Wednesday, March 27, 1985 Chaitra 6, 1907 (Saka)

Second Session (Eighth Lok Sabha)

(Vol. Ill contains Nos. 11 to 20)

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW D ELH I P r ic t: At. 4.00 [Original English proceedings included in English Version and Original Hindi proceedings included in Hindi Version will be treated as authoritative and not the translation thereof.] CONTENTS

No. 13, Wednesday, March 27, 1985jChaitra 6, 1907 (Saka)

COLUMNS

Obituary Reference Oral Answers to Questions ;

•Starred Questions Nos. 201 to 203 and 206 to 208 2— 29

Written Answers to Questions ;

Starred Questions Nos. 204, 205, and 209 to 220 ... 29— 44 Unstarred Questions Nos, 1173 to 1262 and 1264 to 1291 44— 202

Papers Laid on the Table 206— 209

Calling Attention to matter of urgent public importance—

Situation arising out of reported violent activities of hostile - elements and attack by armed tribal guerillas on non-tribal villagers in the North-Eastern States. 209— 225

Shri Dharam Pal Singh Malik 212

Shrimati Ram Dulari Sinha 212.

Shrimati Jay anti Patna ik 216

Shri Zainul Basher 218

Shri C. Madhav Reddi 221

Shri Lalit Maken 222

Matters Under Rule 377— (i) Increasing use of narcotic drugs in Delhi, especially by students

Shri Jai Parkash Agarwal 225

(ii) Need to open a T.V, relay Centre at Bidar (Karnataka)

Shri Narsingrao Suryawanshi 226 * The Sign -f- marked above the name of a Member indicates that the Question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member.

(i) (ii>

Co l u m n s

(iii) Need to issue a stamp on Chittorgarh Fort Prof. Nirmala Kumari Shaktawat 227

(iv) Financial assistance to construct godowns in Kerala for proper storage and distribution of essential commodities. Shri V.S. Vijayaraghavan i n

(v) Need to provide financial assistance for the construction of Obra-Ghorawal Road, U.P. in the Seventh Plan. Shri Ram Pyare Panika 228

(vi) Executing of New T.V. tower and Providing ENG equipments for Panaji Relay Station, Shri Shantaram Naik 229

(vii) Need for a uniform power tariff for the entire country. Shri S.M. Bhattam 229

(viii) Mismanagement in Gaya Cotton and Jute Mill under N.T C, in Gaya, Bihar, Shri Ramashray Prasad Singh 230

(h') Directions to Coffee Board to purchase Coffee from producers of Idukki and to provide Godown facilities at Idukki Pi of. P,J. Kurien 231

Report of the National Transport Policy Committee 232— 241 Shri Z. R, Ansari 232

Statutory Resolution Re. Disapproval of Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster (Processing of Claims) Ordinance and Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster (Processing of Claims) Bill 241 —320

Motion to Consider,

Shri C. Janga -Reddy 241

Shri Veerendra Patil 245 i Shri D.B. Patil 247

Shri Virdhi Chandei' Jain 253

Shri K.N. Pradhan 255 COLUMNS

Shri S.M. Bhattam ... 262

Shri Chintamani Panigrahi ... 265

Shri Mool Chand Daga ... 269

Shri Lai Vijay Pratap Singh ... 273

Shri Saifuddin Chowdhury ... 275

Shri Girdhari Lai Vyas ... 279

Shri A jay Mushran ... 281

Shri Balkavi Bairagi ... 284

Shri R. Anna Nambi ... 286

Shri Aziz Qureshi ... 288

Shri Narayan Choubey ... 290

Shri K. Ramachandra Reddy ... 294

Shri Abdul Rashid Kabuli ... 297

Shri K.P, Unnikrishnan ... 300

Shri H.A. Dora ... 303

Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster (Processing of Claims) Bill

Clauses 2 to 12 and 1

Motion to Pass

Shri Veerendra Patil ... 320

Statutory Resolution Re. Disapproval of Requisitioning and Acquisition of Immovable Property (Amendment) Ordinance and Requisitioning and Acquisition of Immovable Property (Amendment) Bill ... — 328 Motion to consider

Prof. Saifuddin Soz ... 321

Shri Abdul Ghafoor ... 324

Shri Sudhir Roy ... 325

Prof. N.G. Ranga ... 326

Shri C. Janga Reddy ... 327

Shri Girdhari Lai Vyas ... 327 LOK SXBHA DEBATES

1 2 - * LOK SABHA ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

[English] Development of GIR Forest Wednesday March 21, 1985/Chaltra •201. SHRI RANJIT SINGH GAE, 6, l ‘>07 (Saka) KWAD : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : The Lok Sabha met at Lit ven o f the Clock (a) whether Government propose to develop Gir Forest as a ‘Safari’ Park for [M r. D ep u ty SpEaKBR in the Chair] promotion of tourism;

(b) whether any funds have been OBITUARY REFERENCE earmarked for the the purpose; and

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I have (c) if so, the details thereof ? lev inform the. House of the sad demise of Shri Dajiba Balwantroo Desai who was a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE member of the Sixth Lok Sabha during MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND 1977-79. He had also been a member FORESTS (SHRI BIR SEN) ; (a) to of the Rajya Sabha during 1960-66. (c). The Gujarat State Government has a proposal to develop a safari park at A well-Jtnown political and social Gir and has made a provision of Rs. worked, he worked for adult 12,52 lakhs for this purpose during education amongst Scheduled Castes und 1984-85. weaker sections of the Society and was President of Dakshin Maharashtra Shikh- SHRI RANJIT SINGH GAEKWAD : shan Mandal, Belgaum. He was (he The Gir forest is already a sanctuary, editor of a monihly and a weekly. part of it at least; and the other part is a national park where tourists are already Shri Desai passed away at Alibag, visiting. By making -this a Safari park, Raigad district of Maharashtra on 19 I would like to know from the boo. March, 1985, at the age of 59 years. Prime Minister what additional advantage would this particular forest get, and whether the organizations which are experts We deeply mourn the loss of Shri in this particular subject would get any Desai and 1 am sure the House will join further advantage say, in the running of me in conveying the condolences to the this Safari park. bereaved family. The House may stand • * in silence for a short while to express its sorrow. SHRI BIR SEN : It is primarily an educational project. People are educated about the natural history of the land; and The Member i then stood in silence tourists who visit it also know about the for a short while ways of animals— how they live and how they behave. This is a general, education for people— for children, students etc. 3 Oral Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Oral Answers 4

SHRI RANJIT SINGH GAEKWAD : entire Asia. Therefore, I would like to 1 asked about the organizations which are know whether the government proposes supposed to be knowledgeable in the to pay special attention with more alloca- particular subject. Would they also be tion of fun^Js for development of these given any extra powers in the running of forests, because there is poaching and these Safari parks 7 there is no resettlement for rthe people, who stay there, anywhere else. There- SHRI BIR SEN : This will require fore, the natural habitat of Jhe lions is. notice. gradually diluted making the atmosphere more incongenial for their growth. I want SHRI RANJIT SINGH GAEKWAD ; to know whether government is aware of The late Prime Minister and the present this fact and is paying proper attention Prime Minister both have been taking a and allocating more fund. lot of interest in our cultural heritage. I think these Safari Parks and natural SHRI BIR SEN : These national sanctuaries are also part of our heritage. parks are meant for preserving the wild Our Prime Minister is present here. I life, particularly parks and the Safari would request him through you to let me Park are meant for that. know whether there are any further programmes to strengthen these forests so THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI that the felling of trees and all that in RAJIV GANDHI) : Forests and wild the forests does not take place and the life are an integral part of our richness of natural habitat for the wild animals wealth and they have to be preserved. which are there in these forests is not The Government will be taking all possi- diminished. I would like to know from ble steps to preserve our wild life and the Prime Minister what he has to say our forests. There is a tremendous about it. Are there any other programmes danger to the parks coming under the also ? pressure fr*im the population surrounding these parks. We looking into how wc PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : can protect these parks. One idea which You add one more Prime Minister also — is already there to some extent is to have Pandit Nehru. a buffer zone around parks with reducing control as you go further away from the SHRI BIR SEN : For conservation .1 core area. We are looking into every of the wild life, we are deciding about a aspect and will see how we can develop number of projects, particularly sanctu- this protqption, how we can educate peo- aries and national parks. ple about the importance of protecting ft. our environment; and ultimately ail this will decide the question of the survival SHRt RANJIT SINGH GAEKWAD ; of people in India because if we wipe out Is there any national organisation to look all our pcology and environment it will be after the interest of these forests ? very difficult for us to survive. The answer w lies only in educating people and bringing SHRI BIR SEN : We have no propos- the subject at the school level so that al to form such organisations so far. there is an understanding and perception of - the dangers which are involved and SHRI B.K. GADHVT; The entire House is we will try to do that as well, aware that just like our prized animal one- horned Rhino, the Asian lion exists only SHRI D.B. PATIL : The main thrust in

I would like to know from the Govern- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ment whether the Central Government MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND is going to help the Gujarat Government FORESTS (SHRI BIR SEN) ; (a) to (c). in this project. Survey using remote sensing techniques have been conducted in the country. The data collected is being interpreted and the SHRI BIR SEN : The Central Govern- results are likely to be received soon. On ment gives grants for non-recurring receipt of the aforesaid report, areas for expenditure for building of roads, fencing, development under Wasteland Develop- etc. The Central Government has given ment Scheme will be demarcated. State so for Rs. 9.24 lakhs for this purpose, Governments have also been advised to i ideniify such wastelands which could be [Translation] covered under "'the afforestation pro- SHRI BANWARl LAL BAIRWA : gramme. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there are two ♦ ‘ very important game sanctuaries in Raj- (d) The following institutional arran- asthan— one is the Ranlhambore Sanctury gements are alrealy available for imple- in Sawai Madhopur District and the menting the scheme by the State Govern- oihcr is at Siraska in Alwar District, * ments ; — They are serving as a habitat for various kinds of animals like lion etc. on a largtf (i) Forest Department; , scale and the animals are being looked after very well there. Do Government (ii) District Rural Developraept have any scheme to develop boih these Agency; game sanctuaries ? As these are places of tourist attraction and residential (iii) Soil Conservation Department; accomodation is inadequate there, will Government look into it ? ‘ (iv) Special Area Development Au- thorities. SHRI BIR SEN : A separate notice is required for this. In addition, it is proposed to utilise non-government organisations and others [English] to complement the efforts of the State Methods to Locate Wasteland for Governments. Afforestation The scheme will be funded through *202. SHRIMATI K1SHORI SINHA : institutional finances and aid received Will the the PRIME MINISTER be from bilateral/multilateral aid agencies. pleased to state : Different tree species would be selected

• * on the consideration of soil and climatic (a) whether any survey being con- conditions. ducted for demarcating the areas for development under Wasteland Develop- SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA ; I ment Scheme of Government; would like to know whether it is possible for our hon. Prime Minister to inform (b) if so, the State in which it is the House about the time that is likely to being conducted; be taken for the submission of the report about the demarcation of the area (c) if not, the other methods being Have the Government received any in- followed to locate the wasteland for its formation from the State Governments afforestation; and ' about the ‘ time likely to be taken for that 7 (d) the institutional arrangement and species of trees to be used under this SHRI BIR SEN : This information scheme ? • is not yet available. 7 Oral Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Oral Answers 8

•SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA : I MR. DEPUTY- SPEAKER ; You can would-like to know the likely investment put 6 separate question for that. which will entail and what will be the employment potential. [Translation) SHRI V. TULSIRAM : Mr. Deputy SHRI BIR SEN : Detailed estimates Speaker sir, 1 wan,ted to put this supple- have not yet been worked out; also, a mentary question on the previous question separate notice is required for this. but you' always look to that side and rarely look to (his side. Much is said SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : I would about afforest a tipn, which is all right; but like to ask the hon. Prime Minister the animals that live there kill human about the demarcation of wasteland for beings and other animals; so a scheme afforestation, which is very essential be- should be drawn up for their protection. cause 'our rainfall is going, down year A Project Tiger’ his been launched in after year. . Achampet Tehsil of my constituency Nagarkurnool in Andhra Pradesh where The first problem is that the demarca- human beirigs and animals are killed by tion is done by the Forest and other animals ...... Departments at the State level. There are lot of people— millions of people— [Envllsh] who are ploughing their land and are in MR. DEPUTY-SPEA.KER : Do not a dangerous position of being evicted. go to the previous question. I f ; you Another thing is, in the name of affores- want to put any supplementary on this, tation some of the species which are you can do so. . injurious to our country are also being planted. One of them is eucalyptus, [Translation] which is only suitable for places which are watery or hilly areas. In the other SHRI V. TULSIRAM : I would like areas also ihey are being planted. Some to know whether there are any arrange- research done shows that eucalyptus plant ments for this protection of human beings will dry away ground water. I would and animals. - like to know from the Prime Minister whether any guidelines have been issued [Engl isli\ to the States where these lands have to DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : The be demarcated, to protect the farmers Minister has already replied about the there, and about the plantation of trees remote sensing research laboratory. Has which are of specified varieties. he taken the help of NRSA. Hyderabad which can delineate • geological informa- SHRI BIR SEN : Encroachments are tion in the country and tell about the there and the State Governments have waste land which can be utilised for been requested to find oui actually how growing flora and fauna in different part% much land i» available. So demarcation 'of the country ? Has this survey been and identification of the land is being made by the Department with the help done by the State Government. As far of NRSA which had been* initiated by Pt. as the second part the question is con- Jawaharlal Nehru ? If not, will the cerned, for every soil and climatic condi- Minister deposit funds with the NRSA to tions, species of trees are recommended get a picture of the whole sub-continent ? . by the State Department. Ai far ns India is not a country but it is a sub- eucalyptus trees are concerned, i think, continent. Will the Minister take the it is a much maligned tree, and the views help of NRSA to delineate geological that are expressed by the hon. Member information and then advise the Stale are not correct.' Government to have afforestation programme accordingly ? SHRI K RAMAMURTHY : He has not replied...... (Interruption) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You put CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10 9 Oral Answers 4

a specific question. You cannot go on [Translation] making a statement like this. You ask a SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN : I specific question, would like to know the total area of the barren land in the country which is not DR. KRUPAS1NDHU BHOI : I have under cultivation end whether the Go- asked. You are not able to understand vernment have foimulated any scheme to it. {Interruption) make such land fertils ? If so, what is the scheme ? Besides, there is a large area SHRI BIR SEN : I have already said of land which remains submerged in flood waters for as long 9 months in a year in my reply that survey is being conduc- and as such cannot be cultivated it. Do ted through remote sensing techniques and services of NRSA Hyderabad are also you have any scheme to make that land fertile and cultivable ? being utilised.

DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : Whe- SHRI BIR SEN ; Mr. Deputy speak- ther you had instructed the State er, Sir, this question is about the affores- Governments . ... tation of wasteland. The question of cultivation of the land does not arise out MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Please sit of it. down. [English'] DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI ; You SHRI SOMNATH RATH ; Mr. must protect my right. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to know from the hon. Minister whether any spe- i 1 MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Already cific steps have been taken to convert the you have put a question and he has re- wasteland into social forestry, and if so, plied. If you want anything further, you what steps have been taken and in which can write to the Minister, he will answer, States. . * • you. . [Translation] ' DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : The SHRI BIR SEN : The name of the late Prime Minister wanted it, Pandit agency through which the job is being Jawaharlal Nehru wanted, Shri Rajiv done, and is still in progress, has been Gandhi wanted it__..(Interruption). clearly mentioned in Part (b) of the answer. The work on forestry is being MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I have carried on for the last 30 years since already protected you and got you the 1951. answer. I have given you the chance which you have spoiled. Please sit down [English] now. SHRI SOMNATH RATH : My specific question is about social forestry, PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Sir. ' . * Sir, he is using past tense for the present Prime Minister also. [Translation] OR KRUPASINDHU BHOI : I can SHRI BIR SEN : Yes Sir, I have sit down but you have not protected me. already said about social forestry. The couniry will be at a loss. .. You must understand the gravity of the [English] question ...... \ Interruption). SHRIMATI PRABHAWATI GUPTA : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wouKff like to MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; I have know from the hon. Prime Minister already protected you. I have to give whether Wasteland Development program- chance to ofhers also who are me will be linked to industrial processing awaiting their turn. of agricultural or forest produce to ensure 11 Oral Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Oral Answers 12 that optimum utilisation of resources and SHRI BIR SEN : Survey is being diversification of employment potential conducted in Bihar also. takes place. [English] SHRI. BIR SEN : I could not follow Ticket Racket by I.A. Staff the question, Sir. + THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI *203. SHRI SANAT KUMAR RAJIV GANDHI) ; I think the answer MANDAL : is yes. SHRIM \TI GEETA MU- KHERJEE ; SHRI .S. KRISHNA KUMAR : Sir, afforestation is an area where constructive Will the Minister of TOURISM AND schemes can be thought of for providing CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state ; employment to the unemployed youth in this country. It is possible to generate (a) whether his attention has been a mass movement with employment po- drown to a report published in “ Business tential as well as social objectives in view. Standard” of Calcutta, dated 1 March, I would like to kiow whether Govern- 1985 under headline “Ticket Racket t>y ment has any imaginative scheme in this Indian Airlines Staff; regard. (b) if so, the points made; SHRI BIR SEN : Under the Social (c) whether any enquiry has been Forestry Programme, the cooperation of made by C.B.I. and culprits caught/ individuals, farmers and the educated charge sheeted; unemployed' will be sought in raising nurseries and supplying saplings to the (d) if so, the details thereof; and farmers and other forest areas. In this way they will be getting employment and (e) further action being taken on the money also. basis of published report ?

t THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [Translation] . MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL SHRI RAMASHRA.Y PRASAD AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : SINGH : I would like to know the (a) Yes, Sir. places in Bihar where survey has been conducted under the Wasteland Develop- (b) It has been alleged in the article ment Scheme, because there is a vast that a group of employees of Indian area of Wasteland in Bihar...... [Interrup- Airlines at Calcutta are for consideration tion?)...... Is Bihar a part of India pr indulging in malpractices such as helping not ? the passengers to travel without confirmed tickets, to carry excess baggage at con- Has any survey been conducted in cessional rates and to travel on trunk Bihar or not ? Will you give information routes at half fares, etc. fl about Bihar or not ? (c) to (e). The alleged malpractices of the Airlines staff had come to the SHRI BIR SEN : Mr. Deputy Speaker notice of the CBI even prior to the publi- Sir, 1 have given the answer that we cation of the article in the 'Business are conducting a survey throughout the Standard*. The CBI is seized of the country. matter, They have completed investigation of three cases against IA staff for SHRI R.S. KHIRHAR : The hon. irregular allotment of seats to passengers. Minister should reply whether any survey The CBI are also investigating into other has been conducted in Bihar or not. cases referred to them. 13 Oral Answers CHA1TRA 6, 1907 (SAKA ) Oral Answers 14 international flights operating in and out SHRI SANAT KUM^R MANDAL : of Calcutta. As he has raised this ques- 1 would like to know from the hon. tion, I would like to answer this question. Minister the institutional safeguards From the Central Government, we have against such malpractices. What is the been trying to force the airlines to go» to status of the staff involved and what Calcutta, but they are refusing to go to steps have been taken to plug the loop-^ Calcutta. We forced Scandinavian Air- holes, which render such malpractices lines; they want to come out of that...... practicable ? If no steps have been taken (interruptions) Let me finish, please. And is i( because of the throughly irresponsi- it is my information that some more air- ble statements from the seat of the Prime lines, during the next few weeks, will be Minister of the country, rejecting sugges- withdrawing from Calcutta. But, what tions for more international flights from can we do about it ? We cannot just Calcutta ajrport charactering a lively city force international airlines to go to Cal- like Calcutta as a dying city? (Interruptions) cutta.

KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE : AN HON. MEMBER : You ask Air It is not a question. It is a politically India or Indian Airlines. motivated question...... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You put SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : We have a supplementary Regarding this question. increased two international flights by our own airlines from Calcutta during the Do no go further. past few days. (Interruptions) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : AN HON. MEMBER : The modesty They have preferred Bombay and Delhi. of the opposition parties is being assaul- ted by the lady Member...(Interruptions) SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : Yes, they prefer Bombay and Delhi and we cannot MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I wou'd do any thing about that, if they prefer request all hon. Members to maintain Bombay and Delhi. There is more silence. _ activity in Bombay and Delhi, they get more traffic from Delhi and Bombay. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL : We can not force them. We can force What arc the institutional safeguards Indian airlines to run empty against such malpractices ? What is the planes, but we cannot force the British status of the staff involved ? What steps Airways, Scandinavian and other inter- have beed taken to Dlug the loopholes national carriers to run empty planes to which render such malpractices practica- Calcutta. It is for you to build up Cal- ble ? If no steps have been thken, it is cutta and they will automatically come, because of the thoroughly irresponsible ft is no use whining out here. The other statement from the seat of the Prime day some of the hon. Members in the Minister of the country, rejecting such other House made such...... suggestions... (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You are \ making allegations. State what you want. SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : Let me Why are you going further ? finish please. The other day some hon. Members made a noise about what I THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI said in the Upper House about Calcutta. RAJTV GANDHI) ; I think the hon. I would like to just clarify the point be- Member is totally confused and has not cause obviously the same thing is hurting understood the first question, in the first you. One Member, I believe from West place. He miglrt like to understand that Bengal from the Opposition, said that some malpractices taking place in the Calcutta has been exploited throughout Indian Airlines are not related to the the ages, first by the British, then by so 15 Oral Answers MARCH 27, J985 Oral Answers 16 and so and then by so and so. thtv way; Nothing will go on record. Then I added that it was- still being Why are you taking the time of the exploited by a certain political party. House. Now, it is in...... (Interruptions) * * * . (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Are you MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; Pleise going to your seat or not ? sit down. Please order. All of you sit down. ' (Interruptions)

(Interruptions) . MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You first take your seat, SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : I will answer anything they have to ask. {Interrup- (Interruptions) tions) Please ask a question;' I will answer it. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I have to defend the right of all the Members. ■ (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : All of you sit down, please. Let him finish. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : First you (Interruptions)** take >our seat. You can put supple- mentaries. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; Nothing is going on record. Please sit down. The (Interruptions) Prime Minister is on his legs. I_ would not allow like this. Let him finish. In MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Hease reply to that you can raise questions. sii down. I am on my legs, you please sit down (Interruptions) (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : If you want to say anything, you can put supple- . MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I would memory, but he has a right to finish. request all the Members to behave in orderly manner. This is not the way. (Interruptions)s * (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; Nothing goes on record. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : All of you please sit down. The Prime Minister (Interruptions)** is on his legs. (Interruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Please take your seats first. Go to your seat PROF.MADHU DANDAVATE : I first. want to raise a procedural point. 1 would like the Prime Minister to yield {Interruptions) for a second. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; First, (Interruptions) . you go to your seat. MR, DEPUTY-SPEAKER : No, . (Interruptions) please. ■

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Are you PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : He going to your seat or not Y This is not has yielded, * •‘Not recorded. 17 Oral Answers ’ CHA1TRA 6, 1907 (S4KA) Oral Answers 18

I want to raise a procedural point for MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Mr. record. 1 do not want to enter into the Chowdhury, what is this ? Please sit controversy Fortunately, he has yielded down. because I am raising a procedural point. The procedural point is that the leader of (Interruptions) the House is free (o put forward his own point of view while replying to the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; You are question, but. Sir, according to the set taking away the time during the Question procedure, he cannot make any reference Hour. Go to your seat. 1 request all ' to what he said in the other House. He the Members to be silent. May I request can answer independently. (Interrupti&ns). all the Members to he silent. This is the point they are making. (Interruptions) (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : This is MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am on not the way. Please sit down. He never my legs, please sit down. quoted anything from what he said in that Hou

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Mr. He has never quoted anything or. said Chowdhury, please take your seat. It is that he was quoting a Question Hour. The Prime Minister is on his legs. He never quoted exactly (Interruptions), what he said there. SHRI AMAR ROY PRADHAN ; He (Interruptions) has quoted the record. ■ SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN : He (Interruptions). has already referred to that. He cannot deny it. ■MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Listen to me. Why are you shouting like that ? (Interruptions) Nothing will go on record.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I am (Interruptions) * * going to read the rule. Please sit down. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He has (Interruptions) never quoted anything. Please sit down.

** Not recorded. 19 Oral Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Oral Answers 20

Don’t shout like this; Let him speak. If at all hon. Members like, I would If you want anything, you can raise it request the Prime Minister not to refer to afterwards. Why are you rising now ? anything from their record. Please sit down". I won’t allow any Member to behave like this. Please THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sit down. MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI ^ GHULAM NABt AZAD) The hon. Prime Minister has SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : Mr.. De- made only a reference to that. He has puty-Speaker. Sir I have not quoted from not quoted the proceedings of the other the proceedings of the other House. House. ( Interruptions). MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; That is true.’ MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER :* You must listen to him If the Members be- * have like this, I will take action First SHRI AMAR ROY-PRADHAN : He listen to the other Member and then you has quoted from the record . of the reply to that, but not like this. This is other House not the way of Members behaving. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He has {Interruptions) not quoted.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Are you allowing me to conduct the proceedings SHRI AMAR ROY PRADHAN : If or not 2 you go through the proceedings, you will find it. It is in the record. (Interruptions'. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE ; I am referring to the Rule, Sir. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You please sit down. I am on my legs, Allow ■ SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO : Mr. me to speak. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, there is no point of order during the Question Hour. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE' : Sir, we leave it to you. You check the re- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I know. cord and if anything attracts Rule 354, only that part should be removed. We* (Interruptions). have no objection. (Interruptions).

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : Sir, I Sir, you have given your Ruling. I have would just like to add that the Central stated that in terms of Rule 354,—after- Government has no intention of according wards you can checfc up the record and stepmotherly treatment to Calcutta. There if there is any reference to the speech are numerous projects which we have made in the Rajya Sabha by the Prime started for Calcutta and we will continue Minister, in terms of Rule 3 54 if you doing this. find anything objectionable, it can be expunged. Unfortunately, Many of the projects MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Of which we start, in which the local Govern- roursc, he referred to... ment gets involved, take tremendous amount of time for completion. This (Interruptions). is something we cannot help. You have to see thnt your Government completes MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Order these projects and takes enough interest please. in them. 21 Oral Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22

[!Translation] SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : Sir, it has been estimated that by the end of Expansion of Atomic Power Plants this century, we would be able 10 generate *206. SHRI DILEEP SINGH about 1.20 lakh Megawatt of electricity BHURIA : Will the PRIME MINISTER in the country. At that time we would be pleased to slate : generate 10,000 Megawatt of electricity through nuclear technology with the help (a) whether Government have formu- of nuclear reactors. The electricity which lated any scheme ,for the expansion of would be generate would be through atomic power plants to meet the power thermal, hydel and nuclcar power stations. requirement of the country and ta provide Today, we are trying to tap non-conven- electricity at cheaper coit ; and tional sources of energy to generate electricity. Apart from the known (b) if so, the number of new . atomic sources of energy th^t have been used power plants proposed to be set ,up during for generating electricity so far, we are Seventh Five Year Plan period and the trying to generate electricity through names of States where Uiese will be solar energy, agricultural produce, gobar set up ? _ gas, wind power and tidal waves. We are conducting' research to find out new [Enghsh] sources through which electricity could be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE generated. . MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA : NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as the hon. MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT Minister has said. 40 per cent of the total ATOMIC ENERGY SPACE AND ELEC- requirement of energy is met through TRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : wood, animal dung and human waste. (a) Yes. Sir. A 15 year profile has But while replying to a question earlier, been drawn up for increasing the instolled he had mentioned that our forests were nuclear power capacity to *10,000 MWe being denuded. Keeping this in view, by 2000 A.D. we may not be able to get wood after some time. Similarly, coal is being used (b) As per the profile, approved by to run thermal power stations and our the Government, in principle, it is pro- coal reserves are fast getting depleted. posed to commence work on twelve more Therefore, you would not be able to meet units of 23 5 MWe each and six units the target of generating 10,000 Megawatt of 500 MWe each during tlje Seventh of electricity by the start of the 21st Five Year Plan period Out of the ad- century. Have you kept in miad this ditional 235 MWe units, it has been situation, while fixing the target ? decided to locate two units at Rawat- bliata in Rajasthan and two at a new SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL-: We site at Kaiga in Karnataka. Final deci- have just estimated the .quantum of ato- sion on other sites is yet to be taken. mic or nuclear energy likely td be generated by the end of the this * century. [Translation'] , This is only planting. Only time will SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA : * tell, us how far our new technology would Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I tViank the develop and the extent to which it could Hon. Prime Minister for fixing the target be used to produce more electricity than of power generation at ten thousand estimated, If the need arose. We have Megawatts by the turn of this century. fixed the targets in the prevailing circum- Electricity has today become a necessity stances. If need be, we would acquire of human life, in the 21st century we and adopt new technology and sources may possibly need electricity for walking so that the shortage of electricity could too! I would like to know the quantum be met. of electricity which would be required at that time and also the sources from which [English] we would generate it. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : May I ■ ♦ 23 Oral Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Oral Answers 24

know whether the hon. Minister is aware distribution of atomic power stations. It of the representation of Andhra Govern- means distribution according to energy ment for location of atomic power plant requirements- and energy sources. We at Nagarjunasagar and, secondly, whether are looking into this question. . the Government realise the need for evolving a formula by which the atomic MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Put power projects are divided among various specific question. You want to put a States ? ^ question. ■ -

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : There DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : The is a Committee constituted for deciding Prime Minister has categorically staled upon the sites where the reactors would about the requirement of .^..(Interrup- be established. We have set certain tions) hydel power energy. The Prime criteria for the Committee to take into Minister has categorically announced account to decide about the sites. We that there is requirement of hydel power have received representations from diffe- energy' and. thermal power energy. rent State Governments, including Andhra Pradesh, and those representations are MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; What is looked into by the Committee. the clarification you want ? I do not want anything from you. What exactly As far as the electricity produced in you want ? ^ these atomic reactors is concerned, it is shared by the States which are in the DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI ; I anr vicinity. We are feeding the electricity talking about...... produced by Rajasthan in the northern grid and we are feeding the electricity MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Put your produced in. Tarapur in the western grid. question. Otherwise, I would not allow. In this fashion, the electricity produced I do noi want anything. You please put is shared by different States. the question,

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : I refer- DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : I red to the need for evolving a general would like to know whether the hon. formula by which power projects can be Minister is aware of the fact that the distributed between various States. The mineral which is used for the atomic Government knows about the dispute power station is available 625 KM off that arose in regard to the distribution of the coast of Orissa and this quantity of power from Kalpakkam project. Will mineral is much more sufficient to have the hon. Minister therefore look into this an atomic power station in Orissa because matter ? hydel power is always...... (Interruptions) According to international law and the THE PRTME MINISTER . (SHRI norms of our country, hydel power is RAJIV GANDHI) : The hon. Member always kept in reserve when the thermal is very right that there is a need for power and atomic power energy is not proper distribution of power. But we available in the country. Orissa has the must keep in mind that there is a need maximum hydel power capacity. for the distribution of power, not the distribution of power sources. This is MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I would important. We have to keep in mind not allow. You are not specific. You that hydro energy is available in some are not following what T am saying. You parts of the country; coal is available in are not putting the question You are - other parts of the country. We have to making statements, make a balance between hydro, coal, nuclear and other types of energy and DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOT : I produce a composit picture so that every- would like to know whether the hon. body gets the requisite amount of power. Minister is aware.of the fact that atnmic This does not necessarily mean a political power station can be set up jn Orissa 25 Oral Answers CHATTRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26 because alt the atomic minerals and all wardness of the State. Nuclear techno- infrastructure are available in Orissa. I logy will make the State usher into would like to know whether the hon. modernity Minister will consider the question of setting up atomic power plant in Orissa Therefore, I would like to know from or not. the hon. Minister whether the proposal was there and why this proposal has not SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL : Avail- been accepted. ability of power is one thing and conserving the v mineral is another th-ng. I may also draw your attention...... Unless the mineral is turned into fuel and unless a reactor is established, it is not . MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : That is possible to produce power. enough. One supplementary is enough.

Hon. Prime Minister has clarified that PROF. K.K. TEWARY : We have it is the requirement of power which will submitted a memorandum to the Central be taken into account. Government. I would like to know whe- w ther the Government will look into it. We will be producing electricity by using hydel, thermal and nuclear methods SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : This has and^eeding into the grid and then supply- already been answered in my previous ing it, The question of establishing the answer. We have a Committee looking atomic or nuclear reactor in a particular into where the power plants will be loca- urea on the basis of the requirement of ted. The Committee will look into the electricity is something different from various parameters which include cost of establishing it at a particular place. transportation of the mineral cost of transmission of the power and The hon. Member wants to know whe- all the other things that are involved ther the power station will be set up in in any such major project. I am sure Orissa because the mineral is available the Committee will look -into the pro- there. blems of Bihar sympathetically,

SHRI SOBHANADREESWARA RAO: If the Committee comes to the con- The hon Prime Minister has stated that clusion that it can be established and that the Committee’s recommendations will be other facilites and infrastructures are taken into consideration. Our informa- available, that is a different thing. tion is that the committee appointed for selecting suitable sites has recommended But simply because mineral is availa- a place near Nagarjunasngar in Andhra ble, it will not help us. . Pradesh. Will the Prime Minister kindly take a decision in the matter and deoide (Interruptions) to locate one nuclear power plant near Nagarjunnsagar ? The Committee has MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; Please already recommended. sit down. SHRI SHIVRAJ V. FATIL : The PROF. K.K. TEWARY : I would Committee has visited different places like to know from the hon. Minister and the report is beint, discussed. No whether there was a proposal before the final decision has been taken. Until a Central Government for setting up a final decision is taken, it will be wrong nuclear power plant in Bihar in view of to say that we arc going to -jM;sb*ish here the fact that nuclear material is found or that we are not going to establish only in Rihar at a place called Jadupuda there, at any particular place The and also bccause Biliar is a chronically results of the Committee would be known deficient State in power peneralion and and would be available to the Members also bccause of the general level of back- at lh-' appropriate time. - 27 Oral Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Oral Answers 28 *

Collaboration with Frontier of India joint venture hotel projects with State Limited, London by I.T.D.C. Governments &' State Tourism Corpora- tions. They have also entered into agree- *207. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRA- ments with some privaie sector companies SAD SINGH : Will the Minister of for rendering technical cunsuJancy, and TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be managerial services. pleased to state : • [Translation] . (a) whether a Senior Vice-President SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH: of the India Tourism. Development Cor- Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the reply given poration entered into a collaboration deal by i he hon Minister is not dear; he should, with the Managing Director of ‘Frontier therefore, clarify it. of India Ltd ’ (F1L) based in London for starting ‘Speciality Restaurant* in SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT : If the hon. London; • Member goes through the whole reply he would understand it. (b) if so, the (tet'dils of the agreement and date on which the agreement [English] was signed and place of signing the agreement; SHRI H. A. DORA ; There are some expressions used in the House like *as far as possible’, ‘very soon’...... (c) when the .first proposal was received by ITDC in this regard; MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Isit on (d) whether ITDC had discussed at . this Question ? any time any proposal for collaborating SHRI H. A. DORA ; I want a clari- .in hotel business; and ‘ fication. Is there any dictionary or any- • (e) if so, the details thereof ? thing in the political parlance which would go to show that -as far as possible’ means 30 years or 40 years or that ‘very soon’ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE means 25 years 7 Is there any such thing MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) ; in the political parlance ? ' (a) to (e). A statement is laid on the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : If you Table of the House. want to put any supplemantary on this Question, you may. Otherwise, please sit Statement * down.

(a) and (b).- An agreement with Next Question. * ‘Frontier India Limited’ (FIL) was signed by the Senior Vice President (Hotels) on Appeal try NAM to destroy all behalf of ITDC in New Delhi on 31st Nuclear Weapons October, 1984 for providing consultancy services in setting up a speciality Indian *208. SHRI C. D. GAMIT : Will Restaurant by FIL in London. As per the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS the terms of agreement, ITDC will render be pleased to state : advice on its design and planning. ITDC will also manage the Restaurant on com- (a) whether some senior leaders of non- mercial terms. • aligned nations have approached the Prime Minister of India to appeal to the super (c) The proposal was first received by powers in his capacity as the Chairperson ITDC in September, 1984. , of NAM, to wipe out fear of nuclear war from the world and destroy all nuclear (d) and (e). The ITDC have discused weapons which they have kept in iheir from time to time several proposals for arsenals; and 29 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 30

(b) if so, the details of the response, that they are supplying to the market 1 2" if any, received by Government of India plastic cabinet portable TV ■ sets in the in this regard ? quantity range of two to three thousand sets per month and they are available for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE purchase through their authorised MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS dealers. * (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM K HAN): (a) and (b). No specific approach has, (b) Does not arise. been made, by senior non aligned leaders that PM make a separate appeal to the (c) UPTRON has confirmed that USA and the USSR, However, the Se- they have not received any specific com- venth Non-aligned Summit in New Delhi plaint on either misuse of plastic cabinet had called upon nuclear weapon states to or cornering of stock. UPTRON has halt and reverse the nuclear arms race, confirmed that they have not sold these and for an immediate prohibition of the TV sets to other manufactures and these use or threat of use of nuclear weapons. are being sold only through their authorised dealers and arc available to bonafide buyers from any of the authorised dealers across the country. WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS (d) Does not arise. [English] . Availability of TV Sets in the Market Functioning of National Sports a Federations * *204. SHRI G, VI.1AYA RAMA RAO : Will the PRIME MINISTER be *205. PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE: pleased to state : Will the Minister of YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS be pleased to state ; (a) whether Government are aware that popular 1 2 " portable TV sets in (a) whether it is a fact that the affairs plastic cabinets such as ‘‘Uptron’1 Make of various national sports federations are have disappeared from the market; ' not in order; and

*(b> if so, the reasons therefore; (b) if so, what remedial steps are being taken to tone up their functioning (c) whether Government are aware in the interest of promotion of sports in that many unscrupulous TV units have the country ? cornered these supplies and are selling at high prices, by putting the same THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE machines in henvy wooden frames under DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS new trade names instead of the original AND SPORTS (SHRI R.K. JAl- Up'ron plastic cases; and CHANDRA SINGH) : (a) The Go- vernment is aware of the unsatisfactory (d) if so, the corrective steps taken/ functioning of a few national sports proposed to be taken to eliminate this federations. * malpractice ? (b) The Government has issued cer- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tain guidelines for bet*er functioning of MTNISTPY OF SCTFNCE AND TECH- ’ the federations. Tn specific instances, NOLOGY AND IN THF DEPART- for a federation which is affiliated to the MENTS o r OCEAN DEVELOPMENT. Indian Olympic Association, the Govern- ATOMIC ENFRGY. SPACE . AND ment brings unsatisfactory functioning of ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRA.I V the frdf’ration to the notice of the Oi>m- PATIL) : (a) UPTRON has informed pic Association, requesting it to take 31 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 3 2

appropriate action. In the casei of ihe cational institutions. remaining federations, the Sports Autho- rity of India is requested to use its good The Government Resolution on Natio- offices for remedial action. nal Sports Policy adopted by the Govern- € ment of India with the support of the Provisions of Playgrounds in Schools/ Stale Governments and laid on the Table Colleges in Urban Areas of the two Houses of Parliament on the 21st August, 1984 states, inter-alia. that *209. SHRI PRIYA Ra NJAN DAS no programme of promotion of spirts MUNSI : Will the Minister of YOUTH and physical education on a large AFFAIRS AND SPORTS be pleased to scalc cun succeed unless the minimum state : sports facilities such as playfields, etc. are provided in villages and towns alike for (a) whether it is a fact that more the general public, industrial workers and than 80 per cent of the total schools, in eJucaiional institutions. 'The Reso- colleges and universities do not have their lution also piovides : - own playgrounds, especially in the urban areas; “ PRESERVATION OF PLAY-FIELDS AND OPEN SPACES : The Central (b) if so, whether Government, in and State Governments should make consultation with State Governments, efforts to ensure, if necessary by suit- would take up a programme launch ‘more able legislation, that existing playfields playgrounds movement’ in this Interna- and stadia in rural and • urban areas tional Youth Year taking the advantage are preserved for sports purposes and os Urban Land Ceiling Act, Rural Land progressively more existing open spaces Ceiling Act and if necessary, by normal are made available for sports and acquisition of land for sports purposes; physical education aelivities”. and The expectation is that in consonance (c) the number of stadia and play- with ihe above policy statement, the State grounds available in each State ? Governments would take appropriate steps for providing more playfields in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE educational institutions and also generally. DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS The Union Government has, on its part, AND SPORTS (SHRI R.K. JA1CHAN invited the attention of the State Govern- DRA SINGH) : (a) to ic). According ments to this need in the contcxt of the to the latest All India Educational Survey National Sports Policy and has urged (Fourth) brought out by the National them to take suitable steps for progres- Council of Educational Research and sively making more play-grounds avail- Training with the 30th Ssptempber, 19 78 able for sports purpi«es. as the reference date, 52.74 per cent of the 6,34,144 schools in the country had With a view to assisting the State Go- playfields.' Of these, 77,271 schools vernments for providing stadia and were in the urban areas and 55,86 per play-fields, the Department of Youth cent out of these had playfields. Accord- Affairs and Sports operates a scheme of ing to a survey conducted by Association grant of financial assistance to State of Indiau Universities in 1978, there were Sports Councils, local bodies, etc. on a 1 12 universities and 874 colleges in the sharing basis. An allocation of Rs. 247 country. While the percentage of uni- lakhs for this purpose has been proposed versities and colleges having playfields is in the budget for 1985-86. While the not available, it would be seen that when numbor of play-fields and stadia in the the universities, colleges and schools in whole country is not available, there were the country are put together, the per- 125 stadia in districts headquarters in centage of the educational institutions 1982, It is proposed to assist the State having playfields would be a little over Governments for providing each district 52'. These figures underline the need for headquarter with a stadium during the provision of more playfields in our edur Seventh Five Year Plan. Written Answers 34 33 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) has been conveyed to both the Govern- Pollution of Kali River by Modi Distilleries ments of the United States and Pakistan. Government are monitoring with utmost vigil all developments having a bearing *210. SHRT RAM BHAGAT PAS- on the country’s security. WAN : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : Development of Technology in (a) whether Government are aware Rural Areas that Messers Modi distilleries have pollut- ed the water of Kali River which is *212. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : harmful to the health of the people living Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased in neighbouring villages ; and to state:

(b) if so, what action Government (a) whether the laboratories under propose to take in the matter ? C.S.I.R. are concentrating on developing such processes which serve the elite sec- THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI tions of society and little attention has RAJIV GANDHI) : (a) Yes, Sir. been paid towards the development of technology to benefit people belonging (b) U.P. Pollution Control Board to economically weaker sections of society presented in October 1983 this industry like artisans, small and marginal far- under the provisions of the Water (Pre- mers, etc, ; vention and Control of Pollution) Act, 1974 and the case is still continuing. (b) if so, action taken by Govern- ment to make CSIR work in this res- Acquiring of Cobra Helicopter Gun- pect ; and ships by Pakistan from United States (c) the action C.S.I.R. proposes to *211. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL : take to popularise its programmes in the Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- rural areas ? FAIRS be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether Government are aware MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- that Pakistan has received a first batch NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- of cobra helicopter gunships from the MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, United States ; ATOMIC ENBRGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. (a) whether Government are also PATIL) : (a) No, Sir. aware of Pakistan’s continuing nuclear development ; and (b) Does not arise.

(c) if so, the reaction of Indian (c) * CSIR is popularising its pro- Government thereto ? gramme in the rural areas through films, mass media and publications and pamph- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lets in regional languages. It has estab- MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS lished direct linkages wjth rural develop- (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : ment agencies. Several National Labo- (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. ratories, their extension centres and Poly- technology Transfer Centres are engaged (c) Government are concerned at the in the development and dissemination of continued acquisition of sophisticated CSIR technologies in the rural and back- arms by Pakistan and at the possibility ward areas. Seminar, Conferences and of Pakistan's nuclear programme having Workshops are held for popularising the a non-peaceful dimension. Our concern relevant CSIR technologies. 35 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 36 \ Antl-PoIIutlon Measures in Kota has registered a modest growth at the (Rajasthan) Calcutta air port as compared to Delhi and Bombay airports where it has been *213. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOW- very substantial. This is because of the DHURY : Will the PRIME MINISTER relatively poor generation of traffic in Calcutta as compared to Delhi and be pleased to state ; Bombay. (a) whether Kota in Rajasthan is under threat of ‘Chemical Rains* due to There has been an overall augmenta- effluents discharged by the industries and tion in the servicing and overhauling faci- their lack of interest in taking effective lities at Calcutta. Several major faci- anti pollution measures ; and lities for servicing of jet aircraft and engine components have been set up at Calcutta by the Indian Airlines. An (b) the steps Government are con- investment of about Rs. 7 crores has templating to ensure that public safety is been made by the Indian Airlines in the not endangered by these industries ? past five years for creating new facilities. f THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI Coordination between Union and State RAJIV GANDHI) : (a) No, Sir. Governments for Development of Tou- rism during the Seventh Five (b) Water Pollution Year Plan So far, 6 out of a total of 8 major industries and 1 out of a totaJ of 4 *215 SHRI B.V. DESAJ : Will medium industries have put up treatment the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL systems. AVIATION be pleased to state :

Air Pollution (a) whether the Slate Tourism Deve- lopment Corporations have been advised The State Pollution Control Board has by his Ministry to formulate proposals to directed all the 9 air polluting industries promote private sector investment ; to control their emissions.

(b) if so, whether a meeting of the Calcutta Airport various State Tourism Development Cor- porations was held in October, 1984 ; *214. SHRI AMAR ROY PRA- DHAN : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased (c) if so, the main subjects discussed to state : and the decisions arrived at the meeting ; and • (a) whether the position of the Calcutta Airport in terms of passenger (d) whether the main purpose of the and cargo traffic and servicing and over- meeting was to discuss the question of hauling operatons has shown steep dec- coordination between the Union and the line since fifties and is trailing behind State Governments for the development Delhi and Bombay ; and of tourism, particularly during the Seventh Five Year Plan ? (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND MTNTSTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT1) ; GEHLOT) : (a) to (d). The Approach (a) and (b). The traffic data since 1968 Paper on the Seventh Five Year Plan as is at present readily available. It indi- formulated by the Planning Commission cates that the passenger and cargo traffic and subsequently approved by the Na- 37 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 38 tional Development Council has made (iir) Play an active role in the the following recommendation — ‘ introduction of water sports and other sports in their States. ' ‘There is a vast potential for development of tourism in the country. Tourism should be accorded the (iv) Try to provide budget hotels, status of an industry. Private if necessary, jointly with sector investment will have to be ITDC or the private sector encouraged in developing tourism and offer adequate way side and public sector investments amenities like toilet blocks should be focused only on deve- and snack bars on the na- lopment of support * infras- tional highways. tructure.” (v) Take advantage of training ’ facilities offered by the Insti- This recommendation was brought to tute of Hotel Management. the notice of the Managing Directors of Catering Technology & Ap- Tourism Development Corporations of plied Nutrition. State/Union Territories at a meeting held on 12th October, 1984 at New Delhi. (4) The architecture and decor of the accommodation constructed by The salient points emerged from the the Corporations should reflect discussions in the meeting were ;— the environment/culture and other special features of the place. (1) While formulating Seventh Five (5) The importance of coordination Year Plan proposals, the State among various agencies involved Tourism Development Corpora- in the development of tourism, tions should keep in view the both at the Centre and the State recommendation of the NDC and levels and from the private sector • outlines of the tourism plan of were also emphasised in the the Central Government for the meeting, Seventh Five Year Plan so that the efforts and the resources of [Translation] the Central and the State Govern- ments complement each other to Persons Murdered during Lok Sabha avoid duplication of facilities. and Assembly Elections • *216. SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR: (2) Each State should' identify one or SHRI HARISH RAWAT : two festivals celebrated in their States for publicising in India Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS . and abroad. be pleased to state-:

(3) The State Tourism Development (a) the State-wise number of persons Corporations were also request- ' murdered during the last elections % to cd to : Lok Sabha and Legislative Assemblies and the number of polling booths _ (i) Co-ordinate with the other captured ; Corporations to market each (b) whether it is a £act that unlicens- others’ tours to increase ed firearms were used in these, cases of . domestic tourism. murder and booth-capturing ;

(ii) Re-activate their association (c) if so, the action taken by Govern- for mutual exchange of views ment to check the use of unlicensed wea- and experience. pons and curb such incidents ; and 39 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 40 (d) whether the highest number of able with the Central Government based unlicensed weapons are reported to be in on reports received from the State Bihar and West Bengal 7 Governments so far, the number of persons murdcred/killed during the last elec- THE MINISTER OF HOME AF- tions to the Lok Sabha and the Legisla- FAIRS (SHRI S.B. CHAVAN) : (a) tive Assemblies is as under :— to (d). According to information avail-

Name of State No. of persons murdered/ No. of persons murdered/ killed during Lok Sabha killed during Assembly Elections. elections. •

1. Andhra Pradesh 7 21

2. Bihar 28 ' 51 3. Gujarat Nil 2 4. Haryana 1 Nil 5. Kerala 4 Nil 6. Mdharashtra 2 3 '7. Uttar Pradesh 6 6

2. Information is ‘Nil’ in respect of These raids and recoveries were moni- J&K, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Sikkim and tored by senior officers of the State all the Union Territories. Government, Entry points with neighbouring States and in different districts of 3. According to information received the .State were sealed and thorough check- from the Election Commission of India, ings were conducted to ensure that illegal the Statewise number of Polling. Stations fire arms were not brought. where fresh poll was ordered due to booth capturing during the Lok Sabha 5. The Government of Uttar Pradesh elections is as follows :— have reported that no definite information is available in regard to use of unli- Name of State/U.T. Number cenced fire arms. However, 22 factory made weapons were seized in cases con- 1. Andhra Pradesh 29 nected with poll violence during Lok Sabha elections and the number of such 2. Bihar 155 factory made weapons seized during the , 3. Manipur 2 Assembly elections was 18. Instructions 4. West Bengal 2 regarding the regulations of licenced and unlicenced fire arms and their checking 5 Haryana 3 with a view to avoiding poll violence 6. Jammu and Kashmir 30 had been issused by the State Govern- 7. Uttar Pradesh 38 ment to all concerned before the Lok Sabha and Assembly 'elections.

4. According to information received [English] from the Govt, of Bihar unlicenced fire arms and explosives were used during the Participation of politicians and Lok Sabha and Assembly elections. Raids antisocial elements in lotteries were conducted for recovery unlicenced *217. PROF. MADHU DANDA- arms and ammunitions and the following VATE : weapons were seized SHRI NARSINGRAO SUR- YAWANSHI : Country made revolver (36), Pistol (148), Rifle (14), Guns (83), Cart- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS ridges (H 85) and Bombs (174). be pleased to state : 41 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 42

(a) whether Government have taken MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, note of the recent disclosure of the active ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND ELEC- participation of politicians and anti-social TRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : elements in the administration of several (a) and (b). An application has been bumper and super bumper lotteries in the received from one parly for an in prin- various parts of the country ; ciple approval for the concept of electronic city near Palam at Gurgaon, Haryana. The proposal visualises setting (b) whether State Officials and Union- up of integrated facilities for Non-Resi- territory officials have permitted lottery dent Indians/Scientists/Entrepreneurs and organisers to organise these lotteries ; is aimed at providing infrastructure in ' and . terms of land, buildings, services, equipment, markets, funds, consultancy, etc. (c) whether there is any proposal to in areas of electronics. This approach, it *ban private lottery business ? is anticipated by the promoters, will enable the entrepreneurs to concentrate THE MINISTER OF HOME on production, planning, development, AFFAIRS (SHRI S.B CHAVAN) : (a) quality control rather than organising the to (c). Government have seen certain facilities. reports published in a section of the Press alleging association of some politicians with the lotteries authorised by some of (c) The proposal does not envisage the States and being conducted by Private industrial approvals. Hence the question agcncies. As the private lotteries fall of giving clearance does not arise. The within the jurisdiction of the State Department of Electronics, however, Governments the question of the Central welcomes the concept of an electronic Government banning private lotteries does city. All applications for Industrial not arise. Licences/registration will be considered in accordance with the Government Setting up of electronics city near policies. .Palam Airport

*218. SHRI G.G. SWELL : (d) The proposal envisages an esti- PROF. P.J. KURIEN ; mated cost of the project at Gurgaon,— as per enterpreneur’s proposal,— as Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased Rs. 72.71 crores to be financed through to state : equity capital and sale of built up area. ‘ (a) whether Government have received proposals from various groups/organisations to set up an electronics city in the 50-sealer Commuter Planes vicinity of Palam Airport ; for Vayudoot ■

.(b) if so, the details thereof ; *219. SHRI LAKSHMAN MAL- LICK : Will the Minister of TOURISM (c) whether the Department of Elect- AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to ronics has given its clearance for ihe state : setting up of such a city ; and

(d) the estimated cost and how it is (a) whether there is any proposal going to be financed ? under the consideration of Government regarding Vayudoot, the country’s third THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE level airlines, to have 50 seater comm- MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- uter planes to ensure economies of scale ; NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- and 43 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 44

(b) if so, the details regarding the lopment of the requisite infrastructure plan of Government in this regard ? and availability of suitable spare aircraft capacity. The likely date, by which THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Vayudoot services to these stations might MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND be introduced, cannot be indicated at this CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK stage. GEHLOT) : ia) Vayudoot is presently operating its services with its own Dornier Fate of Silicon- Deal aircraft and F-27 and HS-748 aircraft leased from Indian Airlines, The capacity 1 I 73. SHRI MANIK REDDY : Will of the F-27 and HS-74 8 is 40 and 48 the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to respectively. Vayudoot has projected the state : - need for acquiring two <*0-50 scater aircraft during the Seventh Plan period, (al whether Prime Minister is to one each in 1987-88 and 88-89. decide the fate of silicon deal {Times of India, 21 February, 1985); and (b) Government have not taken a decision inf this regard. (b) whether the claims made by Mettur Chemicals have been confirmed Introduction of Vayudoot Service to by Secretary, Scientific and Industry West Bengal Dinajpur, Jalpaiguri Research and if so, whether Government and Malda in West Bengal will entrust this job to the firm as a part of national self-reliance ? *220. SHRI ANANDA PATHAK : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND THE MINISTER OF STATE TN THE CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- slate : NOLOGY 'AND IN THE DEPART- MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, (a) whether Government have consi- ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND dered the proposal for introducing ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. Vayudoot air sJrvice to district head- PATIL) : (a) and (b). The Depart- quarters of West Dinajpur, Jalpaiguri and ment of Electronics had finalised its Malda in West Bengal for the improve- technical collaboration agreement with ment of communication facility in this M;s Hemlock Semiconductor Corpora- region ; and tion, USA. The required import clearance from US Government had not been received till November 1984; in the (b) if so, the likely date by which*the meantime some information was brought Vayudoot service will be introduced in the to the notice of the Department of Elec- region ? tronics in November, 1984. These inputs were studied in depth and the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE decision has now been taken that the MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL Department of Electronics will take steps AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : to acquire the process know-how, basic (a) and (b). Suggestions received from engineering and proprietory equipment time to time for introducing Vayudoot from M/s Hemlock. Simultaneously, services to the district headquarters of full support would be given to indigenous West Dinajpur, Malda and Jalpaiguri development efforts to establish the tech- have been considered and it was decided nology on a commercial basis. that these services will not be introduced in the first phase of the expansion plans The claims made by Mettur Chemicals of Vayudoot. Vayudoof has been asked regarding availability of cost effective to undertake a traffic survey of these indigenous technology as an alternative stations, Services to these stations would, for setting up the. polysilicon plant of however, be considered for introduction National Silicon Facility, have been subject to viability of operations, deve- examined in detail .by Secretary, Depart. 45 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 46

mcnt of Scientific and Industrial Research (c) The Government has constituted and it was found that Mettur Chemicals a Committee on the prevention- and have very recently operated a pilot plant control of marine pollution. An action of 2 tonnes per annum capacity for few plan has been drawn up which will be rnomhs and they may be able to set up implemented by the different concerned a production plant of about 25 tonnes departments and agcncies to control per annum capacity. However, they pollution. would need to instal several facilities to further improve current pilot plant tech- Selection of Remunerative and Non- nology so that it can satisfactorily Remunerative Railway Line produce high quality material in economic and consistent manner. He consi- 1175. SHRI GADADHAR SAHA,: dered it desirable to obtain proven Will the Minister of PLANNING be technology from abroad as soon as pleased to state the basis of selecting possible for establishing National Silicon remunerative and non-remunerative Facility. However, a decision on setting railway line by the Planning Commis- up NSF’« plant in India would be taken sion ? only after evaluating the results achieved by the production unit of 25 TPA being THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE set up by the Mettur Chemicals. MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K R . NARAYANAN) : Proposals for Sjteps to Check Marine Pollution the construction of new railway lines are formulated by the Ministry of Railways 1174. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA : and are referred to the Planning Commis- SHRI MOHANLAL PATEL : sion for approval. Lines which yield a return of 10% on investment, calculated Will the PRIME MINISTER be under the Discounted Cash Flow tech- pleased to state : nique, are categorised as remunerative. Clearance of the projects is decided by the Planning Commission broadly on (a) whether marine pollution has considerations such as traffic require- upset the coastal cco-system; ments. strategic needs, access to under- developed areas, provision of alternatives (b) the various factors responsible for congested routes or extension of for marine pollution; and « existing lines to cover missing links. (c) the steps being taken by Go. vernment to check marine .pollution and ' Recommendations of National Police save the marine industry from destruc Commission on Police Public tion ? Relationship

1176. SHRI ANIL BASU : Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be NOTOGY AND TN THE DEPART- pleased to stale : MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND (a) whether the National Police ELFCTRONICS 'SHRI SHIVRAJ V. Commission has made some recommen- PATIL) : (a) No Sir. dations for eliciting public cooperation and improving police-public relationship;

(b) The causes of marine pollution are the relcise of different types of (b) if so, the nature of such recom- wastes into the sea. These include mendations; ' domestic wastes from large fcities industrial wastes, agricultural wastes (c) whether Ihe said recommenda- thermal and radio-active wastes, oil tions have been sent to the St ite Go- spills as well as washing of tankers. vernments for implementation; and Written Answers MARCH 27, 19-85 Written Answers 48

(d) if so, the names of the States Government including the Government of who have implemented the said recom- Uttar Pradesh; and mendations ? (e) the detail of the amounts Indian THE MINISTER OF STATE IM THE Airlines has lost this way since 1980 MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS year-wise ? * (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (f) to (d). The National Police Com- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE nf ission which was set upto make recom- MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL mendations for improving the police AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : administration in the country, has (a) to (e). Credit facilities for the recommended that a health police-public issue of tickets were withdrawn from the relationship on a continuing day-today Wesr Bengal Government from 1980-83 basis is vital to sccure a desired measure due to non-payment/delayed payment of of public involvement and cooperation bills. These facilities were, however, for police work to make it meaningful restored in the year 1983. and acceptable to society and to further the cause of law enforcement. To (d) Credit facilities to the Govrnmenls achieve this objective, the Commission of Maharashtra and Pondicherry and has made some suggestions in Chapter various Departments of Uttar Pradesh XLI of its 5th Report. Copi.s of the Government had been suspended with- reports have been laid on the Table of drawn but were restored in respect of the House on 30th March, 1983. The Pondicherry and Uttar Pradesh and reports containing the recommendations certain Departments of Maharashtra. made by the Commission have been sent to the State Governments,UT Adminis- trations for taking appropriate action. (e) Indian Airlines have not made As ‘police’ is a State subject, it is for any loss on this account during the the Stale Governments to impliment the period, recommendations made by the National Police Commission. Pri2es to States for Implementing 20-point Programme Credit facilities to West Bengal Government by Indian Airlines 117*8. SHRI AMARSINH RAT- HAWA : Will the Minister of PLANNING 1177. SHRI PIYUSH T1RAKY : be pleased to state : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : (a) the measures being taken for the implementation of the 20-Point Prog- ramme in the country ; (a'» whether sometimes during the last year Indian Airlines had refused to issue air tickets on credit to the Govern- (b) the names of the States which ment of West Bengal as Indian Airlines have occupied topmost three positions had doubts about the financial capabili- performance-wise in each of the 20-Points ties of West Bengal Government for the during the year 1984 ; and payment of air tickets issued' (c) the norms and guidelines for (b) if so, details of such a decision awarding prizes to the States for best and the orders issued in that connection; performance in implementing the 20- Points Programme ? (c) when and on what basis the ban . 1 was lifted; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI (d) whether Indian Airlines has stopped K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) Implement- issuing credit tickets to any other. State ation and Monitoring Committees for 49 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 50 the 20-Point Programme have been set performance-wise in each of the Points up in all States/UTs to keep a constant during 1984-85 (Upto February, 1985) waich on the progress of the Programme. is attached. Monitoring machinery has also been set up in all States/UTs and in the concerned (-c) There is no scheme for awarding Central Ministries. prizes to the States for the best perfor- (b) A statement giving the names of mance in implementing the 20-Point the three States at the top position Programme. „

Statement

■ Statement showing first three States in performance during 1984-85 (Upto February, 1985) under each o f the 20 Points.

Point No. Name oWJtates

IA. Irrigation Potential Information will be available after the close of the year. , * » IB. Dry Land Farming , * Information will be available after the close of the year. » ■ 2. Pulses and Oilseeds Production Information will be available after the close of the year.

3A. IRDP Assam, Bihar, Karnataka.

3B. NREP ' Karnataka, Rajasthan, Assam.

3C, RLEGP Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu. < 4. Surplus Land Rajasthan, Maharashtra, Punjab

5. Minimum wages for Agricultural Non-target item. Labour

6. Rehabilitation of Bonded Labour Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra.

7A Scheduled Caste Families Assisted Gujarat, Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan.

7B. Scheduled Tribes Families Assisted Karnataka, Himachal Pradesh, Tamil Nadu.

8. Drinking Water . Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh.

9A. House Sifes Allotted Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat. ,

9B. Construction Assistance Provided. Rajasthan, Assam, Uttar Pradesh.

10A, Slum Population Covered Punjab, Himachal Pradesh, Haryana,

10B. Houses to Economically weaker Madhya Pradesh, Kerala, Manipur. Sections. 51 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 52

Point No. Name of Slates

11 A. Villages Electrified Himachal Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Madhya Pradesh.

1 IB. Pumpsets Energised ~ Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh.

12 A. Tree Plantation Rajasthan, Kerala, Maharashtra.

12B. (i) Biogas Plants (States) Rajasthan, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu. (ii) Biogas Plants (KVIC) Assam, Kerala, Maharashtra.

13. Sterilisations Assam, Sikkim, Tamil Nadu.

14 A. Primary Healffe Centres Set-up Rajasthan, Assam, Bihar.

14B, Sub-Centres set-up Tamil Nadu, Meghalaya, Uttar-Pradesh.

15. ICDS Blocks All the Blocks in all the States have been set-up.

16. Elementary and Adult Education Information will available afier closc of the >ear. .

17. Fair. Price Shops opened Uttar Prudesh, Andhra*Pradesh; Bihar.

18A. Streamlining of Industrial Policies/ Non target item. • Procedures etc.

18B. Village and Small Scale Industries Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Units set-up Pradesh. "

19. Checking Black Money etc. Non-target item. •

20. Public Sector Undertakings. Non-target item. •

Dissolution of Dandakaranya Develop- (c) the extent of responsibility of va- ment Authority and Rehabilitation rious installations in the Koraput District of Displaced Persons of Orissa being entrusted to the State Government of Orissa ; and 1179. SHRI K. PRADHANI : Will (d) whether Central Government will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be ask the Stale Government to encourage pleased to state : the setting up of some agrorbased industries in this area aimed towards the uplift of the rural economy, training and deve- (a) whether Government have since lopment of skills not only among the dis- 1aken a final decision on the dissolution placed, persons but also the local t riba Is Df the Dandakaranya Development with a view to provide some seasonal em- Authority ; ployment to agriculturists and rural artisaps ? (b) if so, broad details thereof and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE its impact on the operational activities of MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS the project in the Koraput District of (SHRIMATI RAM DULART SINH^ : Orissa ; a) No, Sir. 53 'Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 54

(b) As_the work relating to resettle- Travel Management and National Council ment of displaced persons is‘more or less of Hotel Management conduct seminars, complete in the threvt zones of the workshops, executive development pro- Dandakaranya Project namely, Paralkate grammes etc. The facilities offered by andiCondagaon in Madhya Pradesh and various International bodies like Pacific Umotkoto in Orissa, it has been decided Area Travel Association, World Tourism to transfer the assets and institutions in Organisation etc. are also availed of for these zones to the respective State Govern- training purposes. The Department of ments free of cost. The Fourth Zone Tourism also has a scheme under which namely Malkangiri in Orissa, the Project foreign exchange is released to candidates Authority itself and all the Zonal Offices sponsored by Hotels and Restaurants for will continue to function for some trainings in various Universities abroad. more time. To meet the demand for professionally (c) After transfer of the as^ts and in- skilled personnel in the field of travel and stitutions, the State Government will be tourism, the Ministry has requested the responsible for the m.iintenanee thereof. State Governments/Union Territories to The Government of India will however, consider the question of providing educa- provide funds to meet the deficiencies in tional facilities in Tourism in the uni- the assets and institutions to be taken versities, colleges and vocational insti- over by the State Government and will tutions in their areas. also bear the expenditure on maintenance for a period of five years. Warehouse Sales of Colour T.V. Sets

(d) No, Sir. 1181. SHRIMATI MADHURI SINGH: Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased Proposal to Professionalise Tourism to stated Services (a) whether “Warehouse Sales’* of 1180 SHRIMATI JAYANTT PAT- colour and black and white TV sets will NA!K : Will the Minister of TOURISM start very soon ; and AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to slate : (b) if so, the details in this regard and when it will be started ? (a) whether there is a proposal to professionalise tourism services in the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE country ; MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- (b\ if so, the steps taken in that MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, direction ; ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) and (b). Government has (c) the guidelines sent to various . no proposal to start were house sales of States in this regard ; and colour and black & white TV sets. However, under the MTB Scheme launch- (d) the details thereof ? ed by Electronics Trade & Technology Development Corporation (ET&T), the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE member manufacturers have been MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL advised by ET&T to resort to warehouse AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK, GEHLOT) : sales conveniently in course of time in (a) to (d). In the Seventh Five Year order that the end-users have the option Plan special emphasis will be given to the and facility to buy TV sats at the manu- training and professionalisation of tourism facturers1 sale counters located in their services in the country. For this pur- warehouses. Such sales would be at pose Indian Institute of Tourism and prices without adding distribution costs 55 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 5 6 or atiy other additional charges unlike sales on the study of bird hazards at the two made through distributors or retail shops, civil airports of Delhi and Bombay and This is by way of suggestion given by three Defehce airports of Hindon, Agra ET&T to its MTB member. and Ambala, the Bombay Natural History Society have made the following jgpom- It is too early to predict when the mendations : ^ manufacturers will start warehouse sales on the above pattern. 1. Water logging should be completely eliminated from these Implementation of anti-pollution airfields. measures in Kerala 2. The existing vegetation of the 1182. SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHA- infield areas should be replaced VAN : Will the PRIME MINISTER be with the lDhub’ grass, a variety of pleased to state ; short lawn grass.

(a) whether there is any laxity in the 3. All existing building constructions implementation of anti-pollution measures and the new ones to come up in Kerala ; ' within and adjoining the aerodromes should be pigeon-proofed. (b) whether any complaints have been received in this regard ; and 4. Open garbage dumps, open garbage huts or even closed garbage (c) if so, the steps being taken to huts within and adjacent to the tighten the machinery which is entrusted aerodromes should not be per- with the task of implementing the Jaw on mitted. pollutions ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 5. All edible garbage should be temporarily stored in covered MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND containers within the buildings FORESTS (SHRI BIR SEN) : (a) to (c). and sent promptly to incinerators The information is being collected and will be laid on the table of the in closed bags. Food-vans of House. , catering agencies should compul- sorily be made bird-proof.

' Bird Hazards at Airport 6. Landing and taking off around 1183. SHRI MAHENDR A SINGH : sunrise and sunset should be Will the Minister of TOURISM AND avoided. CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 7. The incinerators at Delhi and (a) whether the Bombay Natural Bombay airports should be up- History Society has made some recom- graded to make them air-pollution mendation to Government for preventing free conforming to inter-national bird hazards at airports ; . standards.

(b) if so, the details thereof ; and 8. Carcass Processing Centres should be set up on priority basis at (c) the reaction of Government Delhi as well as Agra and thereof ? Ambala. -

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 9. The existing slaughter houses MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL should be repl ced with modern AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : abattoirs at Delhi/Hindon ani (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. In their report Agra, * * 57 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 5 8

10, It should be made mandatory for completed and the estimated cost thereof; all large hotels and large eating and houses in Delhi, Bombay and Agra to have their own incinera- ‘ . (c) the time by which the work is tors to dispose of their edible likely to be started ? garbage, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 11. It should be made compulsory MINISTRY OF S. IENCE AND TECH- for every large meat and fish NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- market in Delhi, Bombay and MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, Agra to have its own functioning ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND incinerator within the premises of ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. the market. PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir.

1 2. Pumping the edible chicken wastes (b) These units are expected to be in open by chicken dressing yards commissioned in 1994. The cost of the should be made a serious offence. two units is estimateJ at about Rs. 609 crores at 1984 price levtl. i 13. Piggeries at Delhi should be bird- proofed at least with wire mesh (c) Work on these units relating to from all sides as well at the site mobilisation is expected to commerce top. i during 1 985. ■

14. Bone drying . yards of all bone [English] mills and other bone processing Modernisation of Police Force units including glue factories must be completely bird-proofed from 1185. SHRI K. KUNJABU : Will all sides. the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be * " i * # pleased to state : 15. All meat canning factories ^should send thebones only to authorised (a) whether any comprehensive plan bone Processing Units and meat is being formulated for modernising the wastes to Carcass Processing police force in the country; and Centres. / (b) if so, the details thereof? (c) Government have accepted the* recommendations. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS [Translation] (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : Expansion of Rawatbhata Atomic (a) Yes, Sir. . Power Station (b) A statement giving the required 1184. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER information is enclosed. JAIN : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : . ■ Statement

(a) whether Government have decided With the growth of industrialisaJion to expand the Rawatbhata Atomic Power and advance in sciencc and technology, Station in Rajasthan by setting up two cryme has become sophisticated and com- units of 235 JMW each ; plex. With a view to maintain law and older and preserve peace in such circums* (b) if so, the time by which the work lances, police must also modernise its in respect of these units is likely to be technique by using the latest develop- 5 9 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 60 ments ia science and technology for better (v) Equipment for Finger Print crime detection and investigation. Keep- Bureaux; ing this objective in view, a scheme for Modernisation of State police forces was (vij Equipment for examination of undertaken as non-plan scheme by the questioned documents; Government of India in 1969-70. Cen- tral Assistance of Ihe order of Rs.. 52 .24 (vii) Construction of buildings for crores was released to the State Govern- State Forensic laboratories upto ments under this scheme from 1969-70 a ceiling of Rs. 10 lakhs for each to 1979-80. The scheme stood termi- State; nated during 1979-80. However, keeping in view the importance of the modernisation programme, the Government decided (viii) Data processing machines for to revive the scheme for another period crime records, statistics and ac- of 10 years with a total outlay af Rs. counts. 100.00 crores from 1980-81 to 1989-90. 2. The State Governments have been The pattern of Central Assistance is 50% requested to give special preference to loan and 50% grants-in-aid. The loan the problem areas as indicated below :— is repayable over a period of 25 years. (i) Communally sensitive Districts/ 2. The Central Assistance is intended Places;areas;i » to meet expenditure of a non-recuring nature for purchase of vehicles, wireless (ii) Districts/Places prone to atro- equipments, computers, scientific aid for cities on Harijans; investigation and training equipment. The Central Assistance under the moder- (iii) Towns with a population of 5 nisation scheme is designed to supplement lakhs and above; the efforts of the States for improving the functioning efficiency of the State police (iv) Areas of intense labour problems machinery which is basically their res- and industrial complexes; ponsibility. The list of items admissible under the scheme indicating their relative (v) Areas with specific problems like priorities is indicated below : — disaster prone areas;

(i) Wireless equipment : capital ex- (vi) Areas with large educational com- penditure on line-communication plexes and prone to frequent including teleprinter service; wire- student trouble; less items for use in cities and elsewhere; objective being each (vii) Very backward rural areas; police station to be fitted with wireless set; (viii) Areas on international borders.

3. The funds released to the States (li) Mobility-provision of vehicles; it during the last 5 years (Upto February, should be the endeavour to sup- 1985) are indicated below ;— ply each Police Station with a jeep; Year Rs. in Lakhs

(iii) Equipment for training institu- 1980-81 - 750.00 ' tions; 1981-82 800.00 % 1982-83 • 733.7775 (iv) Equipment for forensic science 1983-84 838.10 laboratories and equipment for other scientific aids to investiga- *984-85 630.16 (upto Feb. 1985) tion; . 61 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 62

Announcements in Telugu at 4irports THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE in Andhra Pradesh DEPARTMENTS OF PERSONNEL AND ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS 1186. SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- AND CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH WARA RAO : Will the Minister of DEO) : (a) Yes, Sir. ' TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : (b) and (c). The existing instructions regaHing appropriate training for SC ST (a) whether presently announcements employees of the Government are being at Hyderabad Airport are made only in reiterated to the Ministries and Depart- English and Hindi, causing lot of incon- ments. So far as the public enterprises venience to passengers who know only and banks are concerned, the nodal Telugu; and agency is being suitably advised.

# ' Setting up of Language Development (b) the steps Government propose to Board take to ensure that the announcements are also made in Telugu at Hyderabad 1188. PROF. NARAIN CHAND airport as well as at other airports in PARASHAR : Will ihe Minister of Andhra Pradesh ? CULTURE be pleased to state :

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Sahitya Akademi has MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL taken any steps for the promotion of such AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : languages (and their literature) as are (a) and (b). Indian Airlines have re- still not recognised by the Akademi and ported that they are making announce- are seeking recognition including the ments at all the airports In Andhra setting up of a Language 'Development Pradesh in Telugu, Hindi and English. Board; and

(b) if so, the concrete steps taken in Adequate Training for SC and ST this regard so far for each such language Staff during the last three years ?

1187. SHRI BANWARI LAL : Will THE MINISTER OF STATE INf THE the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to DEPARTMENTS OF PERSONNEL state : AND ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS AND CULTURE (SHRI K P. SINGH (a) whether Government’s attention DEO) : (a) and (b). The Sahitya has been drawn towards a news item Akademi has formed a Language Develop- published in tbe Times of India dated ment Board for the Development of 8th February, 1985 wherein the Com- languages not recognised by the Akademi. mission for SCs and STs has said that Further development of such languages not much is being done by the various will be considered by the Sahitya Aka- ministries/departments/public enterprises demi on the advice and recommendations or banks in imparting extra in-service of the Language Development Hoard. training to SC and ST employees, despite the Home Ministry's instructions; Nuclear Deviee by Pakistan 1189. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH (b) whether it has also advised that MALIK : adequate steps in this regard should be taken by different Ministries/Departments; SHRI M. MAHFOOJ AM and KHAN : DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : (c) how Government propose to set Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- the malter right 7 FAIRS be pleased to slate : 63 Written Answers MARCH 27, 19S5 Written Answers 64

(a) whether attention of Government of several countries which has claimed has been drawn to the news item appeared to have acquired capability to produce in the Hindustan Times of 23rd Febru- enriched uranium. Any country with a ary, 1985 wherein it has been st;ited that capability to produce enriched uranium Islamabad is on the threshold on being can in principle, produce nuclear weapons, capable of exploding a nuclear device; if it so desires. .

(b> is so, the details thereof; and (b) No, Sir.

4 (c) the steps being taken to meet the (d) The Bhabha Atomic Research situation ? Centre continues to keep abreast of all relevant developments in peaceful uses TlfE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of atomic energy. Government’s concern at reports regarding Pakistan’s quest MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS for nuclear weapofts has also been (SHRI KHURSHEEL) ALAM KHAN) ; expressed repeatedly. In this context. (a) Yes, Sir. Government will cont nue to maintain the utmost vigilance and will take all (b) and (c). Government are moni- measures necessary to safeguard this toring with utmost vigil all developments country’s interest. having* ' a bearing on the country’s security. Recognition of Associations of Central Government Employees Development of Nuclear Power by Pakistan 1191. SHRI ZAINAL ABEDIN : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : . 1190. SHRI ANAND SINGH : Will the PRIME MINISTER b< pleased to state : (a) whether it is a fact that the Conduct Rule 4B had been struck down . > by the Supreme Court in 1962 ; (a) whether attention of Government fias been drawn to the reports that (b) whether it is also a fact that Pakistan has become the sixth country in following this, according of formal dejure produce enriched uranium, at a the world recognition to Associations of Central to plant near Islamabad; Government employees and of autonomous bodies fully financed by Governmeni of (b) if so, whether with this develop- India has since been stopped and Only ment Pakistan has gone ahead of India in de-facto and ad-hoc r^pcguition is berng the matter of development of nuclear accorded;f and power; (c) if so, the reasons thereof?. (c) whether Pakistan is now nearer to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE producing atom bombs; and* DEPARTMENTS OF PERSONNEL AND ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS AND (d) if so, the Government reaction CULTURE (SHRI K P. SINGH DEO) ; thereto ? (a) Yes Sir. ■

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) and (c). Consequent on Rule MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- 4-B of the CCS (Conduct) Rules, 1955 NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- having been struck down by the Supreme MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT Court, the Central Civil Service (Re- ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND cognition of Service Associations) Rules, ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. 1959 are at present treated as inoper- PATIL) : (a) and (c). Pakistan is one ative. Accordingly, the Government now 65 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) WHtien Answers fftf' are following, the policy that Ministries/ (iv) Momtoi ing ahd control of indu- Departments may deal with service strial effluents. ’ ' associations of their employees, -without ■ i ■ ■ , • > ■ * i insisting on formal recognition, if they (d) Sevemee’ri'Cfties in West Bengal fulfil the conditions prescribed in the (excluding the Municipal Corporations of relevant guidelines on the subject. Calcutta and Howrah) where sewage treatment.plants will be installed/augmented * ‘Environmental Problems in Gan yet ic under the Ganga Action Plan 'are" : Basin in West Bengal’' Bharampur, Nabadwip, Hugli, Chuchura, Chandannagar, Bhaipara, Barrackpore, Sriramour Titagarh, Panihati B^i, 1192. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN: Kamarhati, Baranagar, South Dum Dum, Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased Jadavpur, Garden Reach, , Naihati and to state : South Suburban, t, : . i . t (a) whether number of pollutants Manufacturing of Uranium by * mainly industrial wastes go into the Ganga Pak with U.S. Aid as it flows through West Bengal ; 1193. SHRI BALASAHEB V1KHE (b) If so, details thereof ; PATIL : SHRI R.P. GAEKWAD : , ■ i (c) the solution to the enviromental problems threatening the Gangetic basin Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state : in West Bengal ; and (a) whether Pakistan has started (d) the steps taken/proposed to be manufacture ofenriched uranium with taken in this regard ? the assistance of USA which has beeto acknowledged by the Pak Government ; . THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE * MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (b) whether in addition China is als$ FORESTS (SHRI BIR SEN; :

(c) Some of the major solution are :— (d) if so, the reaction of Government in this regard vis-a-vis the security requi- (i) Building up of sewer system rement of our country ? equipped with secondary treatment - plant in urban units THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE particularly in the municipal MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS towns; building up of low cost (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : waste stabilisation ponds and (a) to (c). Government have*seen reports common treatment facilities in the to this effect. municipal towns. (d) Government are monitoring with utmost vigil all developments having'a (ii) Improvement and augmentation bearing on the country’s security. ■ - of the indequate sewer systems existing in the municipal towns, Central assistance for development of Darjeeling hill areas (iii) Provision and increase of the quantum of organised water supply 1194. SHRI ANANDA PATHAK : in the towns which have sewer Will the Minister of PLANNING pleased systems. to state : 67 Written Answers , M A R C H 27, 1985 ' Written Answers 68

(a) whether , Government are consi- Vaikunth Mehta National Institute of dering the proposal for increasing the Cooperative Management, Pune in 1982, rate of central assistance for the develop- Evaluation of administrative structure in ment of Darjeeling hjll areas in the Integrated Tribal Development Projects Seventh Plan ; and by Indian Institute of Public Administra- tion, New Delhi in 19.81 and an inter- state study on Tribal Education by the (b) if. so, what would be the main Centre ior Social Studies, Surat in 1984. thrust'of this assistance ? The Tribal Research Institutes have also conducted a good number of selective THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE evaluation studies in Various Stales. The MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI working group on Tribal Development K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b). during the Seventh Five Year Plan Increased allocation of Central assistance reviewed tribal development during the for the hill areas, including Darjeeling, Sixth Five Year Plan. The Commissioner will be considered at the time of formula- for- Scheduled Castes and Scheduled tion of the Seventh Plan. Tribes and {he Commission for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes also examine Funds for uplifting of tribals tribal development programmes and incorporate their views/recommendations 1195. SHRI M. MOHFOOZ ALI in their Annual Reports placed in both KHAN : Will the Minister of HOME Houses of Parliament periodically. The AFFAIRS be pleased to state : total outlay for tribal development during the Sixth Plan period is about Rs. 5,535 (a) whether Government have made crores which includes Special Central any assessment about the achievements Assistance of Rs 485.50 crores. Ex- made so far in the upliftment of tribals in penditure out of State Plan resources various parts of the country ; during Sixth Plan is estimated to be about Rs. 3,520 crorcs, ’ • (b) if so* the details thereof and the amount of funds allocated by Government (c) The programmes on tribal deve- for tribal development durirg the Sixth lopment are implemented by the State Plan period and the actual amount spent Governments. In the Ministry of Home by the State Governments on the pro- Affairs, there is a Monitoring Cell to grammes ; and monitor the implementation of the programmes periodically. Each State having Tribal population have their own moni- . (c) the nature of the existing machi- toring set-up under their charge. The nery, if any, to monitor the implementa- working of the Monitoring Cell at the tion of the programmes and to what Centre and at the States is proving extent if has proved effective in carrying effective. out its tasks ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE - . Conversion of Bangalore Airport MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS into International Airport (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. As against revised target 1196. SHRI VS. KRISHNA IYER : of 27.59 lakh families, 39.67 lakh Will the Minister of TOURISM AND families have been assisted under econo- CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : mic schemes during the Sixth Plan period upto December, 1984. (a) Whether a number of ’ passengers of Bangalore City and Karnataka State are experiencing great hardship due to

into an International airport since one of the two ,VVF personnel travelling Bangalore has become big industrial and in the vehicle was injured while the other commercial centre with a number of managed to escape. The, NSCN , under- public sector industries of the Union grounds also carried away some arrps and Government located there ? ammunition besides the belongings of the 1 t ambushed personnel. .The, undergrounds THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are reported to have escaped to Burma. MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL \ • i • AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): (c) Security on the bprder has been (a) Indian Airlines have a wide, network tightened and strict, vjgil being main- of daily flights between Bangalore and the tained on the trans-border movement of international airports of Bombay, Delhi extremists...... : ” and Madras from where passengers of - 1 ; 1 Bangalore can get convenient connections Six Nation Supigiit Appeal for Nuc- on international flights, • ■ lear Disarmament 1 * i " , • (b) No, Sir. Such a proposal is not 1198. SHRI SATYENDRA.NARAIN presently under consideration. SINIIA ; Will the Minister of EXTER- I NAL AFFAIRS be p\eas$d to.$tate ; Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland M6n Escape to Burma (a) whether the Six-nation summit appeal for nuclear disarmament has Received; 1197. SHRI BASUDE3 ACHARYA : any response from |he nuclear P'Owe^s Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS , ( , - - ' • ' • be pleased to state ; : (b) if so, the details thereof ; and . ■ 1 (a) whether attention of Government (c) the Steps being taken to .keep up has been drawn to the news report ap- the pressure on thp nuqlear, powers to peared in, the Telegraph daibd *23rd dismantle their nuclear weapons ? i February, 1985 regarding escape of the Notionalist Socialist Council of Nagaland THE MINISTER,OF STATE IN THE ILmen • to * Burma; . . . MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN' ! (b) if so, the details theteof; arid' (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The USSR has supported the Delhi Declaration and has (c) the reaction of Government there- expressed its solidarity with the approach to ? . ,, expressed in it China has also welcomed f ■ ■ > V ■ ■ the Declaration but has r$iieratec^ its THE MINISTER*OF ISTATE IN THE position that the USA and USSR nqust t MINISTRY OF , HOIytE \ AFFAIRS first reduce their nuclear arsenals substan- (SHRIMATI RAM DU LARI SINHA) : tially before China iii brought into the (a) Yes, Sir. ; , - process. ' • ‘ The U.S.A. has said . that,it respects- (b) On February 18; 1985, a vehicle ‘‘the sincerity of purpose, and commit- belonging to. the Security Forces pro- ment to peace of the six world statesman ceeding from Kangpat to Kamjdng who have issued the, Declaration” but village . in the Ukhriil District was am- has expressed reservation's about thfe bushed by u group of Naga undergrounds steps outlined in the Declaration, belonging to the National Socialist \ ■ Council of 1 Naga and (NSCN) near There has been no official , reaction .Nampisha village about 10 Kms. Soufh from the U.K. and Franc*. ‘ of Chassed. 13 SF porsonnel (hicludmg a JCO) »nd a Circle Officer' of the village (c) The Government of India are. ■ Volunteers Force (VVF) were killed and continuing their efforts in the Conference 71 Written Answers MARCH 27,' 1985 Written Answers 7 2 0" . v • > on Disarmament in Geneva and other having foreign equity not exceeding forty international forums to press for a halt ’ per cent, in the private or public sector. to ’the miclda'f 'arms race and for the gradual reduction 'and eventual eliriiina- The Manufacture of CPU of main- tiofr of nuclear'weaports. ■ l' 5/ ‘ ■ : - ■ ■■ .. - • • ■’ ■ 1 : frames and super mini-computers will be

^ ‘ - I . I • T ' i l l , "1 , . i ■ ) I reserved for a period of two years for specific sjeps have also been taken by manufacture by public sector. the Government' tci promote 'the’ t)dlhi Declaration adopted by the leaders of No separate policy provision exists for Argentina,1 Grefede, 'Mexico, SWederi,’ transnational organisation. Integrated po- Tanzania and Tndla dri Jahiiary 28t 1985. ■j. :: I r J . ■ ' J - . ■ . ' j! ■ ‘ ‘ 1 1 licy measures were also announced in Parliament on 21st March, "1 985. Inclusion of Trans-National Organisa- tions into New Electronics and International Arrangements to Restrict r ' Computer Policy '* 14 ■ Nuclear'Technology Distribution

1199. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH : 1200. SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO : Willvthe PRIMfc MINISTER be pleased Wi]l the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- to state : 1 * - 1 ' ■ ; j ■). t ■.Jt ■■ . , FAIRS „.'. be i / pleased "1 to stale ' 1 : _

(a) whether the new eleQtronjcsi and (a) whether Government are aware compdfer policy will also include trans- that international arrangements to restrict national organisations who have speciali- nuclear technology cJistributoin discrimi- sation fn thii field ; : ...... nate agiiinsl India and other countries of the developing world ; . ■ i J. > I 1 1 ' ■ ! (b) if so, which of the trans-national organisations areproposedto.be included . (b) whether the present arrangements in thfs policy ; ' ' " ’ ■ ' not *only legitimize the possession of ij . •: ■ 1 ...... >•■■■ nuclear weapons by certain countries but • ■ r» t -1- t■ -■ * • ■ -•••■ (c) whether some progress has been also give them a permanent technological made in dealing with such organjs^ti^ns ; and economic advantage over the rest of the countries ; and l * ! f w if so, the _ detailsv ... I of the said' j deals and ~ (c' if so, reaction of the Government to this and steps contemplated in this , - ,, ' I • -x ' i ■ . - . \ regard ? , (e). whether the deals are in -the pri- > IS ) vate sfefior or public sector or both ? • - , THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ; MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS THfc'MItfrofeR OF STAT'E’ TNTHp ‘ ;(SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KH AN) : MINISTRY OF SCIENCE An £»' TECH- i(a) to (c). Government are aware of NOLOOY AND DEPARTMENTS 1 6 F' ' •(several attempts to restrict the transfer of OCEAN DEVELOPMENT ATOMIC?' nuclear technology which simultaneously ENERGY SPACE AND ELECTRpNICS seek, to legitimise the possession of nuc- (SHRl^HlVRXr V.* P'XtILV: (a) to (e)^ ' ''lear weapons by the nuclear weapon As perthe'new cbmpute*1 pdlicy arm nun c- '('powers. • India is not a- party to any of ed in ftoveitiber, 1984', manufacture of i*.these arrangements and has made known micro/itoini cbmputers including^ personal its views regarding the discriminatory na- computer^, micro computers, and VLSI # i ie pleased to slate : 73 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 74

(a) the number of refugeesv arrived in Tamil origin without citizenship rights India from Bangladesh and Sri Lanka; and in Sri Lanka, who have come into India; and (b) the steps taken by Government (c) the steps taken to rehabilitate for their settlement and how much them ? ' . financial assistance has been so far to West Bengal and Tamil Nadu ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY GF HOME AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (a) Based on Tamil Nadu Government's (SHRIMAIT RAM DULARI SINHA) : information, upto 20th March, 1985, (a) A total number of 98.99 lakh since the eruption of ethnic Violence in persons arrived in India from Bangladesh that country in July, 1983, 85610 in 1971. refugees have arrived in India.

(b) The information is being collected. As informed by the Govrenment of Tamil Nadu, 85,610 refugees have come to India upto 20th March, 1985 since (C) As per the decision of the Govern- the erup.ion of ethnic violence in Sri ment of India, no rehabilitation assistance Lanka in July, 1 983. is being provided to these refugees. However, those refugees who have sought assistance from the Government of Tamil (b) The families from Bangladesh Nadu are being provided with all the being foreign nationals, are not entitled relief facilities as are admissible to the to rehabilitation assistance in India. repatriates and are being admitted in various camps of Tamil Nadu. With regard to.refugees from Sri Lanka no settlement assistance is under consider- Problem of Infiltration of Foreign ation but they are eligible for relief Nationals assistance which is being provided. As regards financial assistance, a total amoijUt 1203. SHRI R.P. DAS: Will the of Rs. 60.78 crores has been given to Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased the Government of Tamil Nadu so far to state : towards relief and rehabilitation assistance to both repatriates as well as refugees. (a) whether more force is required to The break-up of expenditure incurred on be deployed to tackle the problem of refugees towards relief is not possible as infiltration of foreign naubnals in the the State Government have not been country; maintaining separate figures in this regard. (b) whether the BSF have suggested Rehabilitation of Refugees Families that the villagers of lfje borders can be ‘ From Sri Lanka suitably trained to identify infiltrators and hand them over to the Force; 120?. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : Will the MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (c.) whether Government propose to be pleased to state : chalk.out any scheme for increasing the force? as well as train villagers ; (a) the number of refugee families that have entered Indip from Sri Lanka (d) if so, the details of the said since the eruption of ethnic violence in scheme; and July, 1 983 ; ' (e) if not, the reasons therefor ? (b) the details as to the number rf THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Sri L.anknn Tamils who arc the cittzcps MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- of Sri Lanka and the Stateless people of MATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) 75 Written Answers MARCH 27. 1985 Written Answers 76

Anti-infiltration measures and strength of 2. Bhopal^Sanchi - Vidisha-Udaigiri- BSF are reviewed by Government from Bhopal - (Bhimbetka, Bhojp.ur)- time to time and border cut-posts of BSF Ujjiin-Indore-Mandu-Maheshwar- have . been increased. Six additional MandleshWar - Omkareshwar- battalions were sanctioned by Government lndore. . . * f in 1983. ► 3. Jabalpur-Bheraghat - Cher'aldongri (Hot Springs) - Mandla-Kanha (b) No, Sir. National Park-BharamdeO-Jabal- . pur/Raipur. „ - (c) Strength of para-military forces is reviewed -by Government from time to (b) and (c). There is no sys.tem of time. No proposal for training villagers collecting state/place-wise statistics by is under consideration of Government at the Department.. However, occasional present. special surveys are conducted and according to the Foreign Tourist Survey 198 2- (d) Does not arise. , 83, there were moje than 200 places in India where Ihe foreign Tourists spent at (e> Constant vigil is maintained by least one night, 4.37% of them spent at BSF in the border. Additional BSF units least a night in Madhya Pradesh, the have been inducted and more border out- important places being Khajuraho . posts have been established. More watch (3.33%) and Bhopal (0.50%). ■ • ‘ ■ towers are being erected and patrolling I r ' ■ i over land and riverine routes has been Target Achieved in Setting op Bio-gas intensiBed. ■ Plants During Sixth Plan v -

Place of Tourist Interest in Madhya 1205. DR. PHULRENU GUHA : Pradesh Will the PRIME MINISTER be , pleased * ' to state : ■ . * t r 1204. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND (a) whether Government had fixed ’ CIVIL AVIATION bjs pleased to state : . any target for setting up family size and community size Bio.Gas Plants during the (a) the various places of national Sixth Five Year Plan period ; Tourist interest located in Madhya Pradesh; (b) if so, what were the a^ipual. targets and the achievements during the (b) the number of tourists who visited Sixth Plan ; and * each of those places during the last three years; and (c) State-wise break up of the targets, and achievements mentioned above ? (c) the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- . AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, (a) In consultation with the Government ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND of Madhya Pradesh, the following three ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. \ travel circuits have been identified for PATIL) : (a) The National Project for development by the Centre, State and Biogas Development (NPBD) was launch- Private sectors as being places of national ed during Sixth Five Year Plan period tourist interest :— starting from 1981-82'with an indicative target of 4 lakh individual biogas plants. 1. Gwalior-Shivpuri-Datia - Orchha- . For Community and institutional biogas Khajuraho - Bandhavgarh-Khoju- plants, the Sixth Five-Year Plan envisag-.. raho/Jabalpur. ed setting up of 100 plants. 77 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 78

(b) Stale-wise targets for NPBD were and achievements of NPBD are given as fixed on year to year basis which total under : upto 3.35 lakh plants. Year-wise targets .

Year Number of Plants

t Targets Achievements

1981-82 35,000 25,369

1-982-83 75,000 ‘ 57,498

1983-84 75,000 92,590

1984-85 150,000 * 1,17,820 (upto Feb.,

m 1985)

So far as community and institutional given in Statement.I attached. While biogas plants are concerned, year-wise State-wise targets of community and in- targets were not fixed. ^ stitutional biogas plants have not been fixed, State-wise achievements of the pro- (c) Information indicating State-wise ject completed upto February, 1985 is targets and achievements of NPBD is given in Statement-U attached. Statement I ' ^ Statement Showing Statewise Target and Achievement Under National Project on Biogas Development (Family Size) During the Sixth Plan Period

SI. No. State 1981-82 1982-83 1983-84 1984-85 §

------— ------:------^ Target Achieve- Target Achieve- Target Achieve- Target Achieve- ^ ment ment ment ment 3 (Upto Feb., 1985) (Completed)

1. Andhra Pradesh 2,000 515 5,000 3,324 6,000 7,669 24,500 13,037 * 70 23 200 180 200 208 500 388 2 2. Assam > # 3. Bihar 2,400 2,064 6,000 5,312 6,500 6,001 10,500 2,766 O X 4. Gujarat 3,000 1,807 6,700 5,217 8,000 7,004 8,900 6,374 Ki ■* 5. Haryana * 700 47 2,500 2,259 2,500 2,551 2,500 2,409 vo oo 6. Jammu & Kashmir 100 3 200 2 100 67 * 200 131 U\ 7. Karnataka 3,500 1,282 5,000 3,037 5,500 7,274 13,500 5,668

8. Kerala 500 262 2,500 392. 1,000 1,277 4,000 2,024 9. Maharashtra 3,000 3,061 7,000 8,615 10,000 24,009 28,500 37,014 I Madhya Pradesh 2,000 468 7,000 5,154 7,000 5,602 7,500 3,050 , 10. r* Orissa 1,000 280 3,000 1,152 5,000 1,552 2,750 1,474 11. a t f . 12. Punjab 700 505 2,500 1,082 2,500 1,356 1,500 1,57-1 X 13. Rajasthan 2,000 1,220 5,000 2,404 3,000 2,581 4,000 ,6,501 00 14. Tamil Nadu 3,500 1,275 5,000 5,005 6,000 7,326 11,500 12,237 o 15. Uttar Pradesh 10,000 12,188 14,000 12,502 12,000 15,239 23,000 19,811

16. West Bengal 400 274 3,000 1,315 2,000 1,665 4,000 . 553 rte Answers Written 17. Tripura 47 4 100 6 10 — 10 — 18. Pondichehry 10 10 100 87 100 95 100 74 19. Goa 20 46 100 109 200 190 250 190

20. Himachal Pradesh 2 10 15 270 300 800 2,500 2.483 1907 6, CHAITRA

21. Manipur 5 -— 5 7 15 9 5 —

22. Meghalaya 1 1 5 9 10 * 5 — 23. Nagaland 5 8 15 1 5 13 2 6 24. Andaman & Nicobar — — 5 2 5 1 5 — 25. Chandigarh 10. ■ — 10 12 10 24 5 ' 3 .26. Delhi 10 5 15 8 5 34 140 6

27. Dadra & Nagar Havel i 15 9 25 27 15 23 10 Answers — Written (SAKA)

28. Mizoram 5 . 2 5 8 10 1 10 —

29. Sikkim —— — — 10 10 15. —

30. Anmachal Pradeefa —— — — — — 3 —

31. Lakahdweep .— — — — 5 — — —

Total : 35,000 25,369 75,000 57,498 75,000 92,590 1,50,000 1,17,820

♦In addition 37,236 plants were reported to be under construction upto Feb., 1985.

oo 83 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 84

Statement II

Statewise Number of Community and Institutional Biogas Plants set up During the Sixth Plan Period upto February, 1985

S. No. State Completed

1 . Andhrp Pradesh 000 6 2. Assam 1

.• 3. Bihar • • • —

4. Delhi • * * 1

5. Gujarat . m * 0 2

6. Haryana 9 0 0 2

7. Himachal Pra losh *0 0 —

8. Karnataka 0 m m 2

9. Kerala - » * t 1

10. Madhya Pradesh 0 0 4 6 1 1 . Maharashtra 5

12. Orissa • • ■ 1

13. Punjab • • 0 3

14. Pondicherry 0 0 0 1

15; Rajasthan , 0 0 9 11 m

16. Tamil Nadu ' * 000 2

17. Uttar Pradesh 90 0 15 00 . • 1 West Bengal 00 0

Total :— 60*

* I d addition 182 community /institutional biogas plants were under construction in February, 1985.

Circular Re : Observance of 12 Jannary (b) if so, whether this instruction baa as National Youth Day been complied with by the State Govern- • t ■ ments 7 1206 KUMARI MAMTA BANER- JEE : Will the Minister of YOUTH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AFFAIRS AND SPORTS be pleased to DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS state : AND SPORTS (SHRI R.K. JAICHAN- DRA SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir, Detailed guideline were circulated to State (a) whether Central Government had Governments for observance of the 12th issued any circular to State Governments January as National Youth Day in the to observe January 12, the birthday of country from 1985 onwards. Swami Vivekananda, as National Youth Day this year ; and (b) Reports received by Government 85 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 86 indicate that the National Youth Day was THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE observed in all the States,. MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND FOREST (SHRI BIR SEN) ; (a) The Flights of British Airways * following steps have been taken/are through Calcutta proposed to be taken to conserve the forests in the country :— 1207, SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : (i) The Forest (Conservation) Act, Will the Minister of TOURISM AND 1980, has been enacted to check CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : diversion of forest lands to non- forest purposes. (a) whether British Airways have cut down their flights through Dum Dum (ii) Guidelines have been issued to Airport from four to one per week ; the States and Union Territories for the preparation of working (b) if sof tjie reasons given by the (management) plans, the working Airline for their avoiding Calcutta, despite of forests, and to strengthen the Government of India's assurances to the enforcement machinery at the contrary ; and field level.

(c) whether the responsibility for this (iii) The National Forest Policy is situation is due to negative attitude of being reviewed with a view to travel agents, officials and businessmen ? provide the needed thrust in favour of forest conservation and - THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to create a massive peoples’ move- MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL ment for this purpose. AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) British Airways are presently operat- (iv) An indepth study is being under- ing two services per' week to/through taken with a view to work out the Calcutta. In their Summer schedule modalities for relieving the press- effective from April 1985, they propose ures on forests, specially by en- only one service per week to/through couraging the use of substitute Calcutta. materials.

(b) They have not given any reason (b) During the Seventh Five Year Plan for reducing the frequency of their service (1985-90), it is proposed to step up to one. substantially the pace of afforestation in the oountry. A National Land Use and ,(c) No, Sir. Wasteland .Development Council under the Chairmanship of the Prime Minister Preservation of Forests is being established to plan and coordinate all matters concerning the health and 1208. SHRI HUSSAIN DALWAI: scientific management of the land resour- Will the PRIME MINISTER be ces of the country. A National Waste- pleased to state : lands Development Board, is being set up with the object of bringing 5 million (a) The pteps Government propose hectares of land under fuel wood and to take to preserve the forests of the fodder plantations. oountry, which has so far being destroyed on account of excessive felling of trees Forest Project to check soil and burning of Jungles for the purposes m sioa by Gandhi Sugar of charcol; and and Chambal rivers

(b) the steps the Union Government 1209. SHRI JUJHAR SINGH : propose to take for afforestation of barren Will the PRIME MINISTER bo pleased areas of the country ? to state : 87 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1985 Written Answers 88

. (a) whether a Forest Project has been Criteria for Giving Tribal Status to launched to check and reduce soil erosion a Particular Area by Gandhi Sagar and Chambal rivers and if so, the area under this project; * 1210. SHRI KRISHAN PRATAP SINGH : Will the Minister of HOME (b) the number of employees working AFFAIRS be pleased to state : in this Forest Project ; (a) the grounds on which people of (c) whether even after launching this an area or community are given tribal 'project, deforestation has increased and status; - the forests have . nearly been destroyed ; and (b) the names of areas and comm- unities the people of which were declared (d) further steps Government propose as tribals during the last five years and to take to protect forests and check sojl reasons thereof ; and erosion under this project ? (c) the nanrtes of areas and comm- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE unities which are presently demanding MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND tribal status and reaction of the Govern- FORESTS (SHRI BIR SEN) : (a) A ment thereto ? Centrally sponsored scheme of soil Conservation in the catchments of various THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE livers including Chambal has been under MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- implementation since 1962 to check soil- MATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) erasion. The Chambal river has a catch- The general criteria followed to give ment area of 2.6 million hectares and tribal status to any community under includes the catchment area of Gandhi- Article 342 of the Constitution are (i) sagar. Indications of primitive traits, (ii) disti- nctive culture, (iii) geographical isolation, (b) The* total number of employees (iv) shyness of contact with the comm- working ynder the scheme in Chambal unity at large and (v) backwardness. catchment is 443.

(c) The local demands for fuelfood (b) - No new community was declared and cattle fooder exceed the sustainable as Scheduled Tribe during the last five * capacity of the forests, which is tending years. to have an adverse effect on them. (c) The proposals received from the (d) The following important steps have State Governments are being considered already been taken to protect the forests in the context of the proposed compreh- ?nd to check soil-erosion : — ensive revision of the lists of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes and at this (i) Patrolling vulnerable forest areas stage, are not disclosed in the public through special teams to prevent interest. illicit cutting of trees. . [Translation] (ii) Intensifying soil conservation and Deployment of BSF and CRPF to Check afforestation programmes. Culprits From Nepal

(iii) Undertaking the programme of 1211. SHRI ABDUL HANNAN ANS* social forestry inclusive of farm ART : Will ■ the Minister of HOME forestry on an extensive scale in AFFAIRS be pleased to state : non forest areas to supplement the supply of fuclwood and fooder (a) -whether it Is a fact that Jai Nagar and thereby mitigate pressure on district Madhubani and district Sitamarhi forests. are situated on the broders of Nepal; 89 Written Answer* CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answer* 90

V (b) whether the culprits often flee to GRAHI : Will the Minister of Nepal after committing murders, dacoities PLANNING be pleased to slate : and thefts in Madhubani and Silamarhi districts; and (a) whether Orissa Government has presented its Seventh Plan to Union (c) whether Government propose to Government; and deploy BSF and CRPF to check such incidents and to stop the culprits coming (») if so. the outlays suggested by the from Nepal ? State Government and whether discussion THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has started thereon ? MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAlRS(SHRI- MATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Yes, Sir. . MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b). (b) Government have not received any The outlays proposed by the Government such reportstorts. of Orissa for their Seventh Plan are given in the Statement enclosed. Though official (c) No, Sir. level discussions on these proposals have [English] ■ ' already taken place, the meeting with the . Chief Minister for finalising the Outlay for Seventh Plan for Orissa Seventh Plan of the State is proposed to 1212 SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIr be held in April, 1985.

Statement

Details of outlays proposed hy the Government of Orism for the VHth Plan (1 985-90)

VII Plan (Rs. Lakhs) (1985-90)

I. Agriculture and Allied Services 1000 Research and Eudcation. <

Crop Husbandry 9580

Dry land/Rainfed farming . 1050

Soil and Water Conservation 1537

Animal Husbandry 2990

Dairy Development $70

m Fisheries 3070

Forests T962

Investment in Agricultural Fin. Institutions. 800

Marketing . 174

Storage and warehousing 60 TOTAL (t) 28593 91 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers

II. R m l Development * V Integrated Rural Development Programme (1PDP) .. 11047 National Rural Employment Programme (NREP) .. 5000 Drought Prone Area Programme (DPAP) ... 1463 Desert Development Programme (DDP) • Other Programme* (to be specified) ... 5000** Community Development and Panchayat* ... 1341 Land Reform* 7149

Special Programme/ for Ana Dev, (State programed) (I) Development of Backward Area* (II) Other* (to be specified) , TOTAL—(II) 31000

III. Cooperation ... 6600 IV. Irrigation &^Flood Control

(a) Irrigation (I) Water Development (Survey, Investigation and ... Research ) ... 1476 (II) Mutti-purpose River Valley (Projects Irrigation ... Portion only) ... 17290 (ill) Major & Medium Irrigation Project* ... 67234 Sub-Total (f-f/i+/tf) ... 86000 (b) Minor Irrigation ... 29950 (c) Command Area Dev. ,,, 2255 (d) Flood Control Project (inculuding Anti-Sea ... Erosion) ... 3700

TOTAL—(IV) ... 121905

V. Power (i) Power Development (Survey, Investigation & ... Research) ... 400 (ii) Multi-purpose River Valley Projects (Power ... Portion only) ... 38358

(ii) Power Projects (Generation) ... 1706

(iv) Transmission and Distribution ,,, 44500 (v) General (including Rural Electrification) ... 36100 (vl) New Sources of Energy Including Bio-gas and ... * Integrated Rural Energy Programme (1REP) ... 29479 TOTAL— (V) ... 150543 93 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers

VI. Industry and Minerals Villages and Small Industries ... 7500 Medium and Large Industries 15500

Mining . . / 2280 TOTAL—(VI) ... , 25280

VII. Transport Minor Parts & Light Houses 2471 Shippiog ... — Civil Aviation ... 474 Roads and Bridges ... 20950 Road Transport ... * 4401 Inland Water Transport ... 143 Tourism ... 1500

Others (to be specified) ... ToUl—(VII) 29939

Vm . Scientific Services & Research. * S & T Programmes ... 9$0 . Environmental Programme (excluding Wat«r Pollution Control) * ... 4523

Water Pollution Control 200 Total-(VIII) 1803

IX. Social aad Co m s h Mj Services

»Education * * General Education 38939

Art and Culture — Technical Education ■ 2050 Sports St Youth Services ' 760 Sub-Total {Pdaca/ion) ... 42349 Medical (Excluding ESI) ... , 11838 Employees State Insurance Scheme ... 49 Public Health Si Sanitation ... 561 Sub-Total {Health) 12448 Sewerage and Water Supply 26433 95 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 96

Housing (excluding Folicc Housing) ... 4 9 9 8

Police Housing ... 65 0 * prbqn Development (excluding Stale Capital Projects) 5476 State Capital Projects 3000 Information and publicity 613

Labour and Labour Welfare 1395 Special Employment Schemes (State Programme) Welfare of SC, ST and Others Backward Classes 2 500 Social Welfare 4 ft6 Nutrition 9 424 Other Social & Community Services (to be specified) *

■ ' Total—(IX) 109783

X. Economic Services

Secretariate Economic Services ... 156 \ Economic Advice and Statistics ... 287

Weights and Measures ... 32 ’ Other General Economic Services (to be specified)

T o tal- (X) 475

XI. General Services

Stationery and Printing ... 444

Public Works ... 1428 Civil Supplies* ... 1078 Others (to be specified) ... —

Total—(XI) 2950

* Grand Total ... 508871

♦Including Public distribution system, Civil Supplies Corporation. **For Economic rehabilitation of rural poor and Small and Marginal (armors scheme. 97 Written Answers ■ CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 98

[Translation] meet to work out procedures for imple- Development of Places of Pilgrimage menting its provisions.

1213. SHRI NIRMAL KHATRI : (b) An Indian delegation visited the Will the Minister of TOURISM AND United States of America from 4th March CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : to 8th March 1985 to discuss the implementing procedures. The members of (a) whether Government are taking the delegation were the following : measures lo develop the places of pilgrimage; and 1. Shri Mani Shankar Aiya; Joint Secretary, Prime Minister’s Office; Leader of the delegation. (b) if so, whether the Union Govern- . ment are considering any proposal for 2. Shri A. Pande, Joint Secretary, the development of Ayodhya, a place of Prime Minister’s Office pilgrimage ? 3. Shri G.V.G. Krishnamurthy, Joint THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Secretary, Minister of Law MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL 4. Shri K* Santhanam, Joint Secre- AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) Yes, Sir. tary, Ministry of External Affafts 5. Shri N.W. Nerurkar, Joint Sec- (b) The State Government had in retary, Department of Electronics September, 1984 submitted a proposal for beautification of all park in Ayodhya 6. Dr. K.G. Narayanan, Scientist, at an estimated cost of Rs. 23.70 lakhs. Office of Scientific Advisor to Clarifications have been asked for, and Minister of Defence. further response from the State Govern- ment is awaited. 7. Shri L. Prasad, Joint Chief Con- troller of Imports and Exports, [English'] Ministry of Commerce. US Technology to India 8. Shri A.K. Chabra, Officer on special Duty to Chairman, Central 1214. SHRI LAKSHMAN MAL- Board of Excise and Customs, L1CK : Will the Minister of EXTER- Ministry of Finance. NAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state : 9. Dr. S. Jaishankar, Under Secre- (a) whether the United States have tary Ministry of External Affairs.; apreed to break the deadlock over the Secretary to the delegation. ticklish issue of transfer of high technology of India; and Enquiry Regarding Overturning of a Tanker Transporting Ammonia Gas (b) if so, the details of the* report of in Delhi the Indian team which visited America recently in this regard ? 1215. SHRI B.V. DESAI ; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS to state : (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAPfl KHAN) : (a) The Government of India and the (a) whether a tanker transporting United States concluded in November ammonia gas to an allegedly unauthorised 1984 a Memorandum of Understanding plant in Alipur, Delhi overturned on 19 (MOU) on technology transfer to India. February, 1985 breaking its pressure The MOU envisaged that the representa- guage valve which caused a strong tives of the two Governments would leakage of gas; 99 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 . Written Answers 100

O’) if so, whether an acute burning (f) whether Government are aware sensation in the eyes and the pungent that in India, UK and USA it has been smell could be felt even thirty yards away found that 50 per cent of compl ints, from the site of the mishap; signel or anonymous, turn to be correct ? (c) if so, whether dny enquiry has been conducted into the incident; and ' THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF PERSONNEL (d) if so, the persons held responsible AND ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS and the action taken against them ? AND CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO) : (a) and (b). The Conference of Chief Secretaries, held on 4th end 5th THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE February, 1985 reviewed various ad- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS min istfative reform measures. These in- (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : cluded reforms in the delivery of sup- (a) Yes, Sir. plies and services to the public, improvement in personnel management and train- (b) Yes, Sir. ing, increased delegation of powers with better supervision and monitoring, simpli- (c) and (d). An enquiry was conduct- fication of rules and procedures and ed into the matter and it was found to modernisation of government offices. a case of road accident and nobody in Arrangements for redress of public griev- ances were also discussed. particular was held responsibe for it. 4 '

Administrative Reforms (c) Yes, Sir.

1216. SHRI G. VIJAYA RAMA (d) A person who has a genuine com- RAO : Will the PRIME MINISTER be plaint of corruption or Jack of integrity pleased to state : on the part of a Central Government servant can approach the Central Vigi- lance Commission with the assurance that (a) whether administrative reforms are prompt and adequate action will be taken on the anvil arising from Conference of when found justified. Chief Secretaries, (Newstime— 7th Feb- ruary, 1985) ; (e) Instructions have been issued to * * Ministries that informants and witnesses (b) if so( the details thereof ; should be afforded sufficient protection and should be saved from harassment. (c) whether Government will ensure As per existing instructions, no action that dedicated and motivated public ser- is to be taken on anonymous or pseudo- vants are not harassed but given en- nymous complaints. couragement ; (f) No such study has been made in (d) whether Government will create India. Information about the position an effective watch-dog set-up where in U.K. and U.S.A. is not known. honest citizens, including • public servants can.pass on information involving cor- Retirement Age of Central Govera- ruption by public servants, including « ment Servants Ministers ; 4 ' . d 1217. SHRI LAKSHMAN MAL- (e) whether Government will provide LICK : Will the PRIME MINISTER full protection to such citizens and re- - be pleased to state : . introduce earlier system'of receiving complaints without the sender revealing his (a) whether Central Government pro- identity ; and pose to raise" the retirement age of Central 101 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 102

Government servants from 58 to mulated in 1978 ; and 60 years ; and (d) if so, the detailsrthereof ? (b) if so, the details thereof ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE * THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- DEPARTMENTS OF PERSONNEL AND NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS AND MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO) : ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND (a) No, Sir. ' ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) to (d). Government policy (b) Does not arise. for manufacture and sale of low cost digi- tal Electronic watches was announced in Electronic Watches fur Mass Parliament on March 2 1^ 1985, as part Distribution of “ Integrated Policy Measures on Electronics". 1218. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL : SHRI ANANTA PRASAD Capital Output in Private Vis-A-Vis SETHI : Public Sector SHRI CHINTAMAN1 JENA : 1219. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN- Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleas- DAL : Will the Minister of Planning be ed to state : pleased to state the average capital output ratio in the private vis-a-vis public sectors (a) whether low priced (between during the First to Sixth Plans ? Rs. 40 and Rs. 90) electronic watches ind igenously made would be made avail- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE able for mass distribution ; MINISTRY OF PLANNING ' (SHRI K.R. NARAYANAN) : The Average (b) if so, the progress made so far Capital Output Ratio for the Private and in this regard and time required for mak- Public Sectors are not available. Only ing such watches available in the the Incremental Gross * Capital Output market ; Ratios (1COP), at 1970-71 prices, for the first 5 Five Year Plans and the 4 (c) whether there will be any change years of the Sixth Plan (1980— 84) are in electronic watch policy which was for- available. They are indicated below : —

Plan Period ICOR (Gross at 1970-71 ‘ ‘ Prices)

First Plan 1951-52 to 1955-56 3.2

Second Plan 1956-57 to 1960-61 4.1

Third Plan 1961-62 to 1965-66 * 5.4

Annual Plans 1966-67 to 1968-69 4.9

Fourth Plan .1969-70 to 1973-74 5.7

Fifth Plan 1974-75 to 1978-79 3.9 * Sixth Plan (first 4 years) 1980-81 to 1983-84 3.9 103 Written Answers MARCH 27,.1985 Written Answers 104

U.N. Convention on Steps to Check Racket in Lottery Business in India Torture * 1221. SHRIMATI GEETA MU- ’ KHERJEE : 1220. SHRI G.V. RAMA RAO : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFF- SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH AIRS be pleased to state : MALLICK : SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA: (a) whether the attention of Govern- SHRI HANNAN MOLL AH : ment has been drawn to U.N, Convention SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : on steps to check torture appearing SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN /. ‘Newstime’ 6 February, 1983 ; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (b) if so, details of this convention ; be pleased to state : and (a) whether Government’s attention (c) whether India is a party to this has been drawn to a report in ‘Sta- convention and if. so, whether any tesman’ dated February 20, 1985 regar- independent watchdog committee/organi- ding lottery business; sation has been set up or proposed to ensure implementation of this humane (b) if so, whether Government have convention ? made any inquiry into this so-called racket ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if so} the details thereof and the MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS thereof ? (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : (a) . Yes, Sir. The United Nations General Assembly adopted the Con- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE vention against Torture and other Cruel, MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : Punishment on December 10, 1984 (a) Yes, Sir. without a vote, (b) and (c). Lotteries are of two types, i.e. those organised by the Central (b) The text of the Convention is Government and State Governments and available in the Parliament Library. those organised by private individuals/ institutions etc. The lotteries in the (c) The Convention was opened for letter category are in the State List of signature, on February 4, 1985. The thq Seventh Schedule to the Constitution question of India s:gning the Convention pnd are authorised by the State Govern- is under active consideration. ments.

The Convention provides for the The report published in the Statesman establishment ; after its entry into force, of the 20th February, 1985 relates of a Committee againBt Torture whose mainly to the private lotteries. functions will include consideration of periodic reports by States Parties on Certain guidelines were issued in June, measures they have taken to give efTect ,1984 for the conduct of State Lotteries to their undertakings under the Con- and the Slates were requested to keep vention. The Committee shall consist of in, view jzuidd'nes m?ant for the State ten experts of high moral standing and Governments and the Union Territory rccognised competence in ihe field cf Administration have, by and large, adhered human rights. They shall serve in the to the guidelines in so far as State Ci mmittee in their personal capacity. . Lotteries concerned- They have again 105 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) - Written Answers 106

been urged in February, 1985 to ensure resembling in intensity the 1983 Rangoon strict adherence to the guidelines and to bang that took away the lives of five take other measures to make the entire South Korean visiting cabinet Ministers and mechanism fool-proof. many others, occurred in the afternoon of 2 February, 1985 ; Indo-US Memorandum of Understanding on Technology Transfer (b) whether the bang has been meas- ured on the Richter scale ; and 1222. SHRI Cr.G. SWELL : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFI-'AIRS (c) whether the epicentre and the be pleased io state : cause thereof has been located and whether any damage took place ? (a) whether his attention has been drawn to the Statement of the US Deputy Assis- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tant Secretary of Defence. Major General MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND Kenneth D. Burns, before the House TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE DEPAR- of ‘Representatives’ Sub-Committee on TMENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, South Asia that he was -heartened by the ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND Indo-US memorandum of understanding ELECTRONICS (SHRT SHIVRAJ V. on technology transfer ; PATIL) : (a) No, Sir. ■fr m (b) the areas of technology that the . (b) Question does not arise. memorandum of understanding covers ; (c) Question does not arise. (c) whether a team from India is being sent to discuss details; and Review of Silicon Projcct

(d) if so, when is the team leaving 1224. SHRI ANAND SINGH : for Washington ? SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleas- MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS ed to state : (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. (a) the decision taken, if any, after (b) The Memorandum of Under- review of the so called Silicon Project standing will cover all items on the U.S. involving collaboration with an American Commodity Control List and the Muni- firm; and ' tions List, and’ all controlled technical data on such lists. (bV if a decision in the matter has not yet been taken, at what stage the (c) and (d). An Indian delegation matter stands at present; and the time by visited the United States of America from which a final decision in the matter is March 4—8, 1985 to discuss the im- likely to be taken ? plementating procedures of . the Memorandum of Understanding. It has THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE already returned. MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- NOLOGY AND IN THE DFPA&T- Bang in Delhi MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMTC ENERGY, SPACE AND 1223, SHRT G.G. SWELL : Will ELHCTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to PATIL) : (a) and (b). The Department state; of Electronics had finalised its technical collaboration apreement with M s Hem- (a) whether a bang that shook mnny lock Semi-conductor Corporation. USA, houses Delhi Ricluding Parliament House The required import clearance from US 107 Written Answers MARCH 27, J 985 Written Answers 108

Government had not been received till in Pakistan. The trial of five hijackers November, 1984; in the meanwhile some of the first hijacking fhcident of Sep- information was brought to the notice of tember 1981 has begun in Lahore on the Department of Electronics. These 9lh March, 1985. inputs were studied in depth and the decision has how been taken tn at the Government remain committed to the Department of Electronics takes steps development of cordial and cooperative to acquire the process know-how, basic relations with Pakistan and hope that engineering and proprietory equipment Pakistan's actions would be consistent from MjS Hemlock. Simultaneously* with their professed desire for friendship full support would be given to indigenous with India. development efforts to establish the technology on a commercial basis and the [Translation] investment decision in regard to the National Silicon Facility will be taken National Forest Policy only after evaluating ihe results achieved by the production unit'of 25 TPA being 1226, SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHU- RIA : Will the PRIME MINISTER be set up by ihe Meitur Chemicals. pleased to state : Handing Over of Hijackers of Indian Airlines Planes to India (a} whether any National Forest Policy has been chalked but; 1225. SHRI B.V. DESAI : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (b) whether the work relating to be pleased to state : forest conservation is being carried out smoothy in the country through State whether Pakistan President has Governments; refuted to accept India’s demand for the return of hijackers of Indian Airlines (c) whether Government have under planes; consideration any proposal to entrust the forest development and conservation work (b) whether this attitude of Pakistan to private sector on trial basis under the is unhelpful in improving the relations new policy keeping in view the environ- between the two countries; mental requirements;

(c) if so, the measures Government (d) whether any provision is likely to propose to take for ihe return of the be made in the new policy that tribals, who hijackers by the Pakistan Government; eatn their livelihood by collecting forest produce in tribal and backward areas, (d) whether this has further streng- may get reasonable price of the forest thened the view that hijackers arc being produce; and trained by Pakistan; and (e) whether the laws to this effect (e) the action proposed to be taken prevalent in various States are likely to be in this regard ? reviewed ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : FOREST (SHRI BIR SEN) : (a) Yes (a) to (e). Government have on several Sir, the National Forest Policy was enun- occasions requested the Government of ciated in 1952. Pakistan to eulier return the. fourteen hijackers apprehended in the two hijack- (b) Forest Conservation is being ing incidents of September 1981 and carried out by the State Governments July 1984, or at least put them on trial . within the framework of the National 109 Written Answers CHAITRA 6r 1907 (SAKA) Written An.rwers 110

Forest Policy. The Forest (Conservation) [Translation] Act, 1980 requires prior approval of the Fuel for Tarapur Atomic Central Government for the diversion of Power Plant any forest land to non-forest purposes. 1228. SHRI DILEEP SINGH (c) No, Sir, BHURIA : Will the Minister of EXTER- NAL AFFA1I4S be pleased to siate : (d) and (e). AIJ relevant aspects will be taken into account while revising the (a) whether any alternative arrange- policy. ment of fuel for Tarapur Atomic Power Plant has been made ; [English] (b) whether any agreemept concluded Statne of ‘‘Surya Dev*' with the United States of America in regard to its operation has been comple- 1227. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS tely repealed ; MUNST : Will the Minister of CUL- TURE be pleased to state : (c) if not, the points which are yet to be settled ; and (a) whether during British days the original stone Statue of “ Surya Dev’* of (d) whether Government propose to Konark temple Orissa was taken away move the international court for settlement from India and now kept Lin British of these issues ? Museum; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (b) if so, the steps Government pro- (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN)^ : pose to take to bring back the statue for (a) to (c). Pursuant to the Agreement the glory of Indian culture; and concluded between India and France in November 1982. France, in lieu of the (c) steps proposed to be taken by U.#.A., is supplying enricbcd- uranium for Government to maintain the Konark the Tarapur Atomic Power Station, with- temple and save it from erosion ?' in the framework of the 1963 Coopera- tion Agreement. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF PERSONNEL (d) No, Sir. AND ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS AND CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH Utilisation of solar energy DEO) : ^a) According to researches it has not been established that the surya 1229. SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHU- Dev image in the_ British Museum is from RIA : Will the PRIME MINISTER be Konark Temple. pleased to state ;

(a) the State-wise details of the pro- .(b) Question does not arise. gress made in regard to utilisation of solar energy in the country ; fc) Structural, chemical, conservation and horticultural operations are in pro- (b) whether Central Government gress in the Sun Temple at Konark In propose to set-up n r.olar energy board addition, it is proposed to bring 11.4 with a view to encourage the utilisation hectares of archaeological Innd under of solar energy ; casuarina and casbewnut plantation to serve as wind breakers and prevent ero- (c) if so, the composition of the sion of (he surface of the temple by salt Board and whether the Board will set- laden winds. * up its ollices at Slate-level also; and I l l Written Answers MARCH 27r 1985 Written Answers 112

(d) the .details of other steps being sources of energy. Several systems and taken by the Union Government for devices based on solar thermal and solar maximum utilization of solar energy ? photovoltaic technologies have been developed in the country and their use THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE is being promoted through a variety of MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- measures such as incentives for manu- NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- facturers and users, subsidy, awareness MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, promotion, training pfogrammes, etc. A ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND number of systems have been installed ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. in different parts of the country for PATIL) : (a) The State-wise break up „ purpose of demonstration, field trial and of some important solar energy systems popularisation. These include solar water installed or supplied upto 28.^.1985 is pumping systems, lighting units, com- given in the statement attached. munity TV sets, water healing systems, drying units, solar cookers, solar timber (b) No, Sir. kilns and solar stills. Solar thermal systems have already developed to an expension stage. A Commission ' for (c) Does not arise. Additional Sources of Energy was established in 1981 to formulate policies and (d) The Department of Non.Conven- programmes and intensify research and tional Energy Sources of the Union development efforts in this area. Nodal Government is implementing a country- Agencies for renewable sources of ene igy wide programme of Research and Deve- have been established in several States in lopment, Demonstration, and Utilisation order to implement the programmes at of solar energy and other renewable the State level. Statement 113 List o f Systems and Devices based'on solar energy installed

under installation as on 28,2.1985 Answers Written

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systems Systems 1907 6, CHAITRA

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3. Bihar 2 — 30 3 — — 5 4. Gujarat 7 1 30 108 26 3 3 * 5. Haryana 2 — 1 7 — 1 2

6. Himachal Pradesh 2. 2 60 3 — — — Answers Written (SAKA)

7. Jam mo & Kashmir 1 3 — 2 — — — 8. Karnataka 2 — — 3 — 1 2 9. Kerala 2 -— — — — 1 — 10. Madhya Pradesh 10 4 114 119 8 2 2

11. Maharashtra 15 — 40 15 — — — 12. Manipur 2 — 20 — ' — — — Meghalaya 4 — — — — — 13. 114 — — 40 — — ■ — — 14. Nagaland s' is; Orim 13 3 64 11 1 —. — +

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[English] ' City. Detailed information is being Survey of poverty eradicating collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. programmes by Indian Institute Socio-Economic Studies Antarctica Team ♦ 1230. SHRI B.V. DESAI ; Will the . Minister of PLANNING be pleased to 1231, SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA : slate ; Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : . (a) whether Government's programmes to eradicate poverty such as the (a) whether the fourth Antarctica 20 point programme and the Integrated team has completed its work; Rural Development Programme have not reached the people for whom they were (b) if sot what are its findings; meant ; (c) whether part of this team would (b) whether the Indian Institute of stay on in the region during winter Socio-Economic Studies conducted a season ; survey which revealed that even in air urban area like Bangalore people were (d) whether any scientific advantage ignorant about the programme itself ; • , was obtained by the previous team’s stay during winter; and , (c) if so, the other main features of the survey conducted by them ; (e) if so, details thereof ? (d) whether ihe Director of the Indian Institute of Socio-economic Studies THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has recommended decentralisation of MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND economic and administrative power to TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE tackle the problem of poverty effecti- DEPARTMENTS OF OCEAN DEVE- vely LOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) ; (a) Yes Sir, the 83 member (e) if so, to what extent the sugges- expedition team -haa accomplished its tions have been examined and accepted by task fully. It has carried out scientific

Government 7 : and experiments in the fields of geology, geo-physics, glaciology, meteorology, biology Aid oceanography. It has also (f) the measures being taken to see conducted geophysical surveys and that the 2C-point programme reaches the experiments to identify th e' mineral poor people for whom it is meant ? potential of u.c area.► It has established' a direct high frequency (HF) communi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cation link between India and Antarctica. MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI This is in addition to the satellite link K R. NARAYANAN) : (a) The targets already in operation for the last three of families to be .assisted under the years. It has also carried out mainte- Integrated Rural Development Programme nance of the permanent Indian Antarctic have been achieved more than 100 per Station, constructed additional accommo- cent during the years 198Z-83, 83-84 dation and laboratory space, erected a and 84-85. The achievement under other large garrage for parking of vehicles and items of the 20-Point Programme is also storage of equipment. The team has satisfactory. * built a small field station consisting-of three cottages in the hills at a distance (b) to (f). It is und'ratood that such of about 60 kilometres from the per- a survey was conducted in Bangalore manent Indian Antarctic Station. 119 Written Answers MARCH 27. 1985 Written Answers 120

(b) The data and samples which tries to prevent them from entering have been brought back' by the team interior areas of the State so as to would be analysed in various laboratories. facilitate movement of extremists in the The results from these will be known interior. Further the strategy of TNV thereafter. seems to be to instil fear in the minds of those extremists who have surrendered or are likely to surrender. By indulging (c) While the earlier 12-member in violeot activities the TNV also wants team has returned, a team of 13 persons to show that it is the only extremist has been left behind. group under its present militant leadership.

(d) and (e). We have now data on (c) Security measures have been Ihe Antarctic weather conditions for tightened and strict vigil is being main- the whole year and particularly for tained. The strength of the Central the winter months which are very crucial Security Forces has been augmented. for our future activities. We also have Intensive combing operations have also annual data on glaciology, microbiology, been undertaken. communication system, human adap- tation, difficulties faced by our team 1992-Olymplcs while staying in Antartica, food and oil needs, personal requirements, clothing, living and silrvial conditions etc. These 1233. PROF. RAMKRISHNA are to our best advantage for future * MORE : Will the Minister of YOUTH planning and the results will be known AFFAfRS AND SPORTS be pissed after the analysis has been completed. to state ; Some data on meteorology and micro- . biology have afready been processed in (a) whether India has decided to bid our Antarctic laboratories. Other for 1992 Olympics; and material and samples collected during the year will be analysed by different (b) if so, the details thereof ? institutions in the country and the results will be known thereafter. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF YOUTH AFF- Insurgents in Tripura AIRS .AND SPORTS (SHRI R K. JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) and (b). 1232. PROF. RAMKRISHNA As selection of venue for holding ■ 1992 MORE ; Will the Minister of HOME Olympic Games would be considered by the AFFAIRS be pleased to state : International Olympic Committee in 1986, the stage for the Government taking a (a) whether insurgents in' Tripura decision the matter has not been reached. have again become more active ;

Setting up of Larger Heavy Water (b) if so, the reasons thereof; and Plants in the Country (c) the steps being taken to curb the meanace ? - 1234. PRPF. RAMKRISHNA MORE ; Will the PRIME MINISTER THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE be pleased to state : MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) whether Government propose to (a) The Tripura Nationalt • Volunteers set up larger heavy water plants at Thai have been engaging in theirterrorist in Maharashtra, Manuguru in Andhra activities in the recent months, , Pradesh and Hazira in Gujarat; and

(b) By attacking forest guards and (b) if so, when-ihe above plants are other Government employees the TNV likely to be set up and commissioned? 121 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 [SAKA) Written Answers 122

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : MENTS OF OCE'VN DEVELOPMENT, (a) The 'Seventh Finance Commission a t o m i c En e r g y s p a c e a n d awarded a sum of Rs, 3071.00 la£h as ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. Compensatory Allowance to 1 3 States for PATIL) : (a) Work on setting up of a officials working in tribal areas under up- 110 te/yr heavy waler plant at Thal- gradation of administration in tribal areas Vaishet in Maharashtra and a 185 te/yr for the period 1979-84. The details of heavy water, plant at Manuguru in Andhra Compensatory Allowance released by the Pradesh has already been started. Ministry of Finance to 1 ? States during Setting up of another plant for 110 te/yr 1980-81 to 1983-84 is given in the heavy water at Hazira in Gujarat is under enclosed statement. This takes into consideration. account diversions asked for by States and agreed to by Government of India.

(b) The plant at Thai is expected to be commissioned Feb. 1987 and the plant at Manuguru in April, .1988. (b) Initially a sum of Rs. 1056.00 lakh was allocated for Compensatory [Translation] Allowance to the Government of Madhya Pradesh. Later on, on the request of Funds allocate to states for special the Govt of Madhya Pradesh that field allowance to government diversion of fund from Compensatory employees working in Tribal Allowance to the construction of quarters Areas would be a desirable proposition and a better incentive in their contcxt, a diversion of Rs. 695.00 lakh was allowed for 1 235. SHRI DILEEP SINGH construction of staff quatters in the tribal BHURrA : Will the Minister of HOME areas of the State, by the Ministry of AFFAIRS be pleased to state : Home Affairs in consultation with Ministry of Finance. (a) the amount allocated by Central Government to each State during the period from 1981 to date for giving special field allowance, to Government . (c) According to information avai- employees working areas; lable ‘with the Ministry, in Madhya Pradesh the employees working' in tribal areas are paid special allowaace which is (b) whether it is a fact that Madhya calculated on the basis of basic pay of Pradesh Government have instead of dis- ■the concerned officials. The rates of bursing this amount among employees special allowance vary from area to area spent it under same other heads; depending upon concentration of tribal population of the area, level of development, local difficulties and disadvantages (c) whether all .the employees working faced by the field officials. in tribal areas in Madhya Pradesh are not being given field allowance on a uniform basis; ’ * * (d) and (e). No guidelines have been (d) whether there are some guidelines issued by the Central Government to the of Central Government regarding disburse- States in regard to disbursement of com- ment of this allowance; and pensatory allowance and it has been left to the discretion of the State Government to prescribe rates keeping their respective (e) if so, the dctaifs (hereof? tribal context in view. 123 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 1 24

Statement

Alloca'ion of Campensatory Allowance made by the seventh finance commission for (Jpgradation o f tribal Administration and Released by the Ministry o f Finanre to tht stale governments during the years 1980.81, 1981 -82, 1982-83 and 1 983-84

(Rs. in lakhs)

Si. State, U.T. Total Amount released by the Ministry of Finance No. alio. during 1979-84 ' cation 1979-84

-' 1979-80 1980.81 1981.82 1982-83 l<»83-84

1 2 3 4 5 6 * 7 8

1. Andhra Pradesh 165.00 — 41.00 41.00 41.00 42.00

Assam 146.00 — 36.50 36.50 36.50 ■ 36.50 •

3. Bihar 621.00 — 85.00 J 77.00 1 ?9.00 180.00

4. Himachal Pradesh 20.00 — 5.00 2.10 7.Q0 5.90

5. Kera la 20.00 — 3.45 • 4.00 6.00 6*55

Madhya Pradesh 1056.00 — 220.00 6. 226.00 255.00 — • 7. Manipur * ‘ 74.00 — —— — * m " *

8. Orissa 603.00 — 115.00. 122.00 133.00 133.00

9 Rajasthan 150.00 — . — — — . —

10. Tamil Nadu 22.00 0.27 3.28 3.2^ 9.28 5.89

11. Tripura ‘95.00 — 8.50 — 62.83 23.67

12. Uttar Pradesh 1 00 — 0.25 0 25 0,25 0.25

13. West Bengal 98.00 — 5.50 14.50 . — 38.00

Grand Total 307 1.00 0.27 529.48 655.63 474.86 691.76

[Engl ish] sportsmen would be constructed by Construction of Sports Hostels Govei nment in each State alongwith a modern Gymnasium to promoe sports 1236, SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS jn* the country ; MUNSl : Will the Minister of YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS be pleased to (b) if so, whether these hostels would slate : be cohstructed solely by Central Govern- ment or through the State Govern- (a) whether in the Seventh Plan ments ; period a large number of sports hostels providing accommodation for atleast 150 (c) whether Government would name 125 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 126

such hostels after famous Indian players 9 travellers’ lodges and 4 forest lodges who are no more ? in India. These are located in the following places :— ■ ' * THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS Place (States) AND SPORTS (SHRI R K. JAI- Hotels CHANDRA SINGH) : (a) to (c). The proposed development programme for 1. New Delhi (9 hotels) sports and games during VII Five Year 2. Patna (Bihar) Pldn includes inter-aiia a scheme of es- 3. Jammu (J&K.) tablishment of Sports Hostels in close 4. Bangalore (Karnataka) - proximity to the Regional Sports Coach-^ ing Centres of the Netaji Subhas National 5. Mysore (Karnataka) Institute of- Sports. The scheme is pro- 6. Hassan (Karnataka) posed to be implemented in cooperation 7. Kovalam (Kerala) with the State Governments. The stage for taking a decision on naming 8. Aurangabad (Maharashtra) these sports hostels has not 'been reached. Place (States) 9. Khajuraho (M.P.) - ' Construction of Tourist Homes in Beaches 10. Bhubaneshwar (Orissa) in Orissa, West Bengal and Kerala 11. Jaipur (Rajasthan) 1237. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS 12. Udaipur (Rajasthan) MUNS1 : Will the Minister of TOU- 13. Mamaliapuram (Tamil Nadu) RISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : 14. Madurai (Tamil Nadu) 15. Varanasi (U.P.) (a) the total number of tourists who 16. Calcutta (West Bengal) came to India in 1983 and 1984 ; • ' Forest Lodges ‘ (b) the number of tourist hotels and 1. Kaziranga (Assam) hostels of ITDC in India and locations 2. Sasangir (Gujarat) thereof; and 3. Mukki (M.P.) (c) whether Government propose to 4. Bharatpur (Rajasthan) build a tourist home with itiodern amenities at Puri sea beach in Orissa, Digha Travellers* Lodges beach of West Bengal and Kovalam 1. Bijapur (Karnataka* beach of Kerala during the Seventh Five 2. Bodhgaya (Bihar) Year Plan to provide opportunity for the youth to travel and stay at moderate 3. Kulu (H.P.) expenses ? 4. Mdnali (H.P.) 5. Konark (Orissa) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 6. Kancheepuram (Tamil Nadu) MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK 7. Thanj^vur (Tamil Nadu) GEHLOT) : (a) Foreign tourist arri- 8. Tirucbirapalli (Tamil Nadu) w vals, excluding the nationals of Pakistan 9. Kushinagar (U P .) ^ and Bangladesh, were 884,731, and 852,503 during the years 1983 and (c) In the Seventh Plan the Depart- 1984 respectively. ment has proposals to provide moderately priced boarding facilities at major sea (b) The India Tourism Development resorts including Puri (Orissa), Digha - Corporation is now operating 24 hotels, (West Bengal) and Trivandrum (Kerala). 127 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written i'nswers 128

Plans to Promote Tourism io (b) the future plans of his Ministry Rajasthan and ITDC to promote tourism in Rajasthan ? 123 8. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : Wi 1 the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL (a) the details of amount spent in AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) ; Rajasthan by the Central Department of (a) The details of the amount spent in Tourism and ITDC during the last three Rajasthan by the Central Department years giving year-wise break-up, sepa- of Tourism and ITDC in the last three rately ; and years is g ven as under :—

(Rupees in lakhs) 1981-82 i 982-83 1983-84

Department of .■ Tourism 6.76 16.30 14.28

I.T.D.C. ' 12.40 17.36 0.29

During the current year, the Department (h) Construction of Dharamshalas, of Tourism have released Rs. 23.17 Sarais in Rajasthan including lakhs and ITDC Rs. 1 ? lakhs f>o far Ajmer and Nathdwara. in the State of Rajasthan. “ 3. For the promotion of tourism in (b) The development and promotion Rajasthan, the Department of Tourism of Tourism is a continuous process. through ITDC produces publicity material However, the Department of Tourism in including film etc. on various States in- consultation with the State Govt, have cluding Rujasthan. Under the Hospitality identified three travel circuits comprising programme of the Department, Travel 20 tourist centres in the Siate of writers, Travel agents/Tour operators are Rajasthan for the development of tourist invited to visit important places including facilities thro.ugh the combined resources Rajasthan. These people on their return of Centre, State and Private Sector. publicise India in the overseas markets. * The future plan of ITDC includes the 2. The Department of Tourism have expansion of their existing Laxmi Vilas already requested the State Govi. to sub- Palace Hotel at Udaipur by addition of a mit details on the following schemes new block'of 19 rooms at an estimated which could be taken up by the Depart- cost of Rs, 32 lakhs. The scheme also ment during the VII Five Year Plan :— envisages' up-gradation of the hotel from 3-star to 4 -star standard. (a) Development of Mewar Complex

(b) Flood-lighting of monuments Construction of Barbed Wire Fence Along Indo-Bangla Border (c) Preparation of Master Plans 1239. SHRI AMAR ROYPRA- (d) Development of Jodhpur Complex DHAN ; SHRI AMARSINH RATHA- (e) Water Sports facilities at various WA : Lakes ■ Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (f) Development of Pushkar Ghats be pleased to state ;

(g) Provision of basic - facilities at (a) whether Government have allowed Talchappar construction of the barbed wire fence 129 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 130 along the Indo-Bangla border to stop (b) The Sri Lankan daily ‘The Island1 illegal entry in India; and published a report by Lasantha Wickre- mentunge entitled ‘Lalith flies to I'elbi to talk with Rajiv’ on 8th February, (b) if so, the details thereof and pro- 198 . The report had stated that Presi- gress made so far in the matter ? dent Reagan's roving Ambassador had given the Government of Sri Lanka a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE guarantee that the U.S. would use eco- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS nomic pressure on India to'decamp the (SHRIMATI RAM DULa RI SINHA) : terrorist bases. USA has not applied any pressure on India with regard to our (a) Yes, Sir.

• » relations with Sri Lanka. The Govern- ment of India has clearly stated that 'it (b) The Government decided in fully respect the unity and territorial August 1 98 3 to construct a wire fence on integrity of Sri Lanka and does not sup- Indo-Bangladesh border. The actual port any form of terrorism. India would survey work was started on 27th March, like to see an early political solution to 1984 by the CPWD in Dhubri district the ethnic problem in Sri Lanka so that of Assam after receipt by the report of all the refugees could return home in safety a Technical Commit'ee which advised and with dignity. that survey work is to precede before construction work can actually be taken (c) After the press report had ap- up. The work continued upto the last peared in the Sri Lankan daily, the US week of April 1984 af er which it was State Department issued a press guidance suspended. The work could not be con- on the subject, which stated that the tinued later due to floods, monsoon, etc. story was a complete fabrication and The Government hr

<°) if so, whether India has ascer- (b) whether t he solution will be .ex- tained the facts from the US about these plored in a timebOund mannner ? reports 7 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : (a) The Government of India are of (a) Yes, Sir. . the view that the dispute can be resolved 1 31 Written Answers MARCH 2 7, 1 985 Written Answers 132 only with the willing cooperation of the which they have undertaken in the past two state Governments and that towards or they are planning to undertake in this end the Central Government would future. Their facilities do not s;cm to be glad to extend all possible assistance have possible application in biological to'them. The Chief Ministers of Maha- warfare., . rashtra and Karnataka have met thrice and discussed the problem. The outcome of their efforts is awaited. Highlighting of small accidents in India Airlines by the Press (b) It is difficult to lay down any time-limit in this regard. 1243. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL : Will the Minister of TOURISM Centre's Approval to R. & D Centre AND Cl\tfL AVIATION be pleased to state : of Union Carbide, Bhopal

1242 SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: . (a) whether press has been highlight- Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased ing even small accidents in Indian Airlines to state : operations and thereby eroding public confidence ; (a) whether the R & D Centre of the Union Carbide at Bhopal had received (b) if so, the number of accidents approval of his department ; that occurred during the. last two years and number thereof attributed to negli- (b) if so, whether the Centre had gence in supervision and the number out provided annual report about the type of of them which were serious j research projects it was undertaking ; and (c) whether the safety measur s and supervision correspond to international (c) whether any projects with possible norms ; and application jn biological warfare were being conducted therein ? (d) if not, whether Government would make sure that supervision and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE checks are really effective so as to make MINISTRY OF SCIENCE A.ND TECH- flying safe for passengers ? NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL PATIL) : (a) While ths approval of AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : Government is not required to establish (a) Reports in the press have been a research centre, under a scheme of appearing on accidents and incidents providing encouragement to industry to to aircraft of Indian Airlines. engage in the industrial research, the Union Carbide Research Centre at Bhopal (b) In the preceding two years Seven has been recognised in 1974. notifiable accidents occurred. The investigation into six of these has been (b) The Centre piovides periodical completed and none of them has been returns on the facilities, staff and attributed to negligence in supervision. activities ai the time of renewal oPiecog- One out of these accidents was of a some- nition what serious nature.

(c) Under ^he Recognition Scheme, (c) Yes, Sir. it is not mandatory for in-house R & D units to disclose all the programmes, (d) Does not arise. •133 Written AnswersCH A IT It A 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written answers 134

Renaming of Willlngdon Cresent as (I* if so, the reaction of Government Indira Gandhi Marg thereto ?

1244. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PATIL : Will the Minister of HOME MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AFFAIRS be pleased to state : AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) and (b). Representation from various (a), whether Delhi Administration quarters have been received from time to had recommended to his Ministry a time for the introduction of Air India proposal to name Willingdon Cresent in flights between Goa and points in Gulf, New Delhi as ‘Indira Gandhi Marg’ ; which are considered but because of the inadequacy of traffic this was not found (b) whether as reported in Hindustan feasible. Air India, however, on the Ximes dated 21st February, 1 985, the basis of a market survey conducted Ministry has not favoured the idea and recently have indicated their desire to feel that only new roads should be named commence a once-weekly flight between after national leaders ; and Kuwait and Goa which will receive consideration. It has also been decided, in principle, to promote international (c) if so, the guidelines to be followed tourist charters to Goa. in this regard ? Insufficient Facilities at Airports due ' THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to Increasing Traffic MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 1246 SHRI FDUARDO FALEIRO: Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : (b) The proposal received from Delhi Administration is under consideration. (a) whether the facilities available at (c) According to ihe guidelines con- many airports in the country are ' * • veyed to the Delhi Administration in iU'UlTuient in view of increasing traffic; 1975, the names of existing strceis roads and etc# are not normally to be changed. Only new streets/roads and such old (b) if so, the steps Government streets roads as are in existence, without . contemplate to improve the facilities at specific names, could be considered for airports 7 . being named after eminent personalities, local, national or international, to honour them. Only in special and exceptional THE MINISTER OF STATE IN T rE circumstances, a deviation from these MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL guidelines can be permitted with the AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): approval of the Government of India. (a) The Department of Civil Aviation provides infrastructural facilities and Landing of International Flights passenger amenities at domestic airports at Uabolim, Goa and the Civil enclaves with reference to the type of aircraft opera- 1245. SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: tions and the volume of passenger Will the Minister of TOURISM AND traffic. The provisioning of adequate CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to facilities at the airports including their state : modernisation and optimisation is a continuous process and its extent depends (a) whether Government have received upon the availability of funds. a representation requesting for arrange- . * ments for landing of international flights (b) It has been the effort of Govern- at Dabolim, Goa ; and ment to upgrade and improve the facilities 135 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 13 6 at all domestic airports. The attached' the availability of funds, adequate statement lists the improvements eff&rted * provision has been made in the draft in regard to passenger facilities during Seventh Plan for development of 10 the Sixth Five Year Plan period. Keeping airports for Boeing 73 7 operatojn and itt view the requirements of Indian 11 airports for Airbus operations. Airlines, Yayudoot and Air-India and

Statement

Works relating to terminal building which have been completed during Sixth Plan period.

1. Agartala Extension and modification of terminal building. Completed

2. Agra Extension of terminal building. Completed

3# Amritsar Extension of terminaJ building. Completed

4. Amritsar Construction of International Arrival Hall. t ' Completed

5. Aurangabad Modification of terminal building. Completed ft ' 6. Bangalore Extension of terminal building. Completed

7. Baroda Modification of terminal building; Completed

8. Bhavnagar Expansion and modification of terminal builidng. Completed

9. Chandigarh Modification of terminal building. Completed

10. Cochin Expansion of terminal building. Completed

11. Dabolim Construction of new terminal building. Completed

12. Gauhati Extension and modification of terminal building. Completed

13. Hyderabad Modification of terminal butlding. . Completed

14. Imphal (a) Construction of Arrival Hall, (b) Modification/ extension of terminal building. Completed

15. Jamnagar Extension and modification of terminal building. Completed

16. Jorhat Construction of terminal building. Completed

17. Khajuraho Expansion of terminal building. Completed

18. Patna Extension of Internal Wing. Completed

19. Rajkpt Expansion/modification of terminal bujliding. Completed

20. Trivandrum Extension of terminal building. Completed 137 Written Answers CHAURA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers n i

Works relating to terminal building (b) if not, the names of the countries whith are in progress. where such posts are lying vacant and when these appointments will be made ? 1. Expansion and modification of terminal building at Bhubane- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE shwar. MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : 2. Construction of new Terminal (a) and (b). Heads of Mission have Complex at Jammu. yet to be appointed to our Missions in Beirut, Bogota, Lilongwe and London. 3. Extension of terminal building at These appointments are under consi- Dibrugarh (Mohahbari). deration. 4. Extension of terminal building at Dabolim (Goa). [English] Airc/afts Damaged by Monkeys in 5. Construction of new International Delhi Workshops Terminal Building at Trivandrum 1248. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : 6. Construction of new Terminal Will the of Minister of TOURISM AND Building at Leh. CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : ’

7. Extension and modification of (a) whether it is a fact that aircrafts terminal building at Lucknow. of the Indian Airlines sheded for repairs in Delhi workshops were damaged by 8. Extension and modification of monkeys; and terminal building at M ntaiore.

9. Extension/modification of terminal (b> if so, he extent of damage caused building al Patna. anu th? steps b^ing taken by the Ministry to che^k such monkey menace ? 10. New Terminal Buifding at Ranch;. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 11. Extension and modification of MINISrRY%OF TOURISM AND CIVIL terminal building at Srinagar. AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) and (b). There have been a few 12. Extension and modification of incidents w^ere damage was caused by termin-il building at Varanasi. monkeys to the upholstery and seat cushions of Indian ‘Airlines’ aircraft, 13. Construction of new terminal while these were in the hangar for major building at Visakhapatnam. chccks. International Airports Authority of India, who were apprised of the matter, are maku.g arrangements for catching [Translation] the rm>nke\s. Simultaneously efforts Appointment -of Ambassadors and are .being made io educate people not High Commissioners to throw catabics and garbage in the ■ft open as these a'tract monkeys. 1247. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL .AFF- Policy Regarding Computers and AIRS be pleassd to state : Electronics

1249 SHRI R.P. DAS,: Will the. (a) whether Ambassadors and High PRIME MINISTER bj pleased to state : Commissioners have been appointed in all those countries with which we have t'a) the details of policy regarding diplomatic relations and where we have Electronics and Computers for coming Embassies; and years; 139 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 140

(b) the position of the indigenous (b) The computer polic$ announced sources thereof; and in November, 1984 has removed capacity constraint jon indigenous production so (c) in case of allowing foreign colla- as to make the unit more viable. Liberal boration in this field, steps taken to import of design and drawings has been protect the interests of the indigenous provided for to up-giade the indigenous industry ? technology. *

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) AH technical aspects relating to MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- foreign collaboration are scrutinized by NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- the Inter-Ministerial Standing Committee MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, (IMSC). While examining each case ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND due consideratioh is given to the indige- ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. nous expertise available keeping in view PATIL) : (a) The policy of the Go the overall objective of the computer vernment regarding computers is aimed policy announced on 19.11.1984. a t :

(i) Enabling manufacture in the Atrocities on SC/STs country, of computers based on the latest technology, at prices 1 250. SHRI R.P. DAS : Will the comparable with international Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased levels and progressive increase in to state : indigenisation, consistent with economic viability. (a) whether atrocities on the Sche- duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes are on (h) Simplifying existing procedures to the increase; enable users to obtain computers of their requirements either from • indigenous sources or from over- (b) if so, the comparative „ statement seas sources mainly regulated showing State and Union Territory-wise through fiscal measures. break-up of atrocities committed on Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (In; Promoting appropriate applica- during 1979, 1980, 1981. 1982 and tions of computers which are of 1983, separately; and development catalysing nature with due regard for long term (c) the feasons thereof ? benefit of computerisation to the country as a whole. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (ivj A Statement on Integrated Policy MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Measures for Electronics was also (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : announced in Parliament on 21st (a) to (c). A statement is laid on the March, 1985. Table of the House. Statement 1 4Wr ! i t t e nA n s w e rCH s A. I T RA6 ,1 9 0 7Wr( S AK i A t ) t e nA n s w e r s 14 2 « The number of cases of crimes against Scheduled Caetes and Schaduied Tribes during the years 1979, I 980, 1 981. 1982 and 1983.

SI. Name of State/UT. No. of cases of crimes agajnst No. • ■ * Scheduled Castes Scheduled Tribes

* 1979 1^80 1981 1982 1983 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983

1 T 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

1. Andhra Pradesh 92 152 206 213 181 13 14 29 31 31 2. Assam 03 — — — 01 N.A. Nil Nil Nil Nil

3. Bihar 2152 1890 1983 2073 1809 200 196 174 85 116 4. Gujarat 475 498 654 455 476 87 130 °5 101 94 5. Himachal.Pradesh ■ 83 68 69 73 47 Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil

6. Haryana * 80 78 74 144 113 Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil 7. Jammu and Kashmir 114 120 124 45 23 N.A. N.A. N.A. N.A. Nil 8. Karnataka 500 377 397 363 194 54 Nil 05 04 04

9. Kerala 887i 478 260 145 149 33 04 09 10 18 10. Madhya Pradesh 3866 3877 4033 4749 5292 1373 1429 302 3110 3119 Maharashtra 503 518 695 169 146 231 11. 680 704 222 i 240 12. Orissa 43 80 80 150 147 16 14 11 43 53 13. Punjab 171 79 51 73 36 Nil Nil Nil 01 Nil 14. Rajasthan 760 1180 1562 1731 1604 205 318 384 472 439 ------*— 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 143

15. Tamil Nadu 115 140 199 153 299 Nil Nil Nil 02 Nil rte Answers Written 16. Tripura — — 18 03 Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil 17. Uttar Pradesh 4102 . 4279 3865 3977 3851 Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil 18. Wesl Bengal 02 33 23 17- 17 02 12 25 19 20

UNION TERRITORIES

19. Delhi . 03 03 06 01 02 Nil Nil Nil Nil. Nil 20. Goa, Daman and Diu 03 01 02 01 Nit Nil . Nil Nil Nil Pondicherry 21. 19 16 08 07 03 Nil Nil Nil Nil Nil

• - 1985 27, MARCH Total • 13973 13866 14308 15054 14948 2152 2263 1267 4098 4184 Note : 1. N.A.— Not available. 2. Information in respect of other States/Union Territories,

’# rte Answers Written 144 145 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 146

Death of a British National in Corbett (a) whether Government are aware Park, Nainital of the problem of sound pollution in Metropolitan cities due to loud horn used 1251. SHRI MOHAMMAD MAH- by some vehicles ; . FOOZ A LI KHAN : Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to stale : (b) if so, the directives given to different Slate Governments to restrict (a) , whether, a British national Mr. or prohibit the plying of the vehicles David Hunt was recently mauled to death using such' loud born ; and by a tiger at ih<; Corbett national park, Nainital; (c) the guidelines issued by Govern- ment to reduce pollution due to loud (b) if so, whether Government have sound ? made any inquiry into the matter; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND (c) if so, the result thereof; and FOKEST (SHRI BIR SEJS; : ^a) Yes, Mad:im. (d) whether Government have made any review of the existing arrangements for the safety of the visitors to the Natio- (b) and (c). The motor vehicles acts of different States have suitable provisions nal Parks ? for prohibiting horns which produce l >ud noise/sound and compulsory use of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THF silencer for reducing the noise level. MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Municipalities and police authorities are FOREST (SHRI BIR SEN) ; (n) Yes, limiting the time of use of loud speakers' Sir. and prohibiting heavy vehicular traffic in some localities and banning very loud (b) Yes, Sir. horns on Vehicles. Avenue-tree-plantation being planted on road sides also act i s (c) Mr. David Hunt violated she re- barticr and reduces noise levels. gulations of the Park by going far into the fo.est on foot on his own. The Central assistance for pre-matric actual circumstances leading to his death stipend to S.C. and S.T. arc under investigation. The preliminary students inquiry reveal? that he was killed by a tigress which has no previous rccord of 1 253. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PAT- man killing. NAIfC : Will the Minister of HOME Ah’FAlRS be pleased to state : (d) The regulations of the Coibett m Notional Park clearly L*y down ihat (a) whether Central Government have visitors should not move into ihe forest been sharing some expenditure with on foot. The State Government have Stale Governments in paying the pre- been advised to enforce this regulaiiori matric stipend to the Scheduled Caste strictly and lo ensure full safety of the and Scheduled Tribe students of those visitors. Similar regulations exist in States ; other national parks. * . (b) whether any request has been ‘ Pollution in Metropolitan cities made by Government of Orissa to due to loud Horns used provide Central assistance to that State by vehicles” * for awarding pre-matric stipend to the S.C. & S.T. students ; and 1252. SHRIMATI JAYANTJ PAT- NAIK : Will the PRIME MINISTER be (c) if so, the steps taken by Central pleased to stale : Government thereon ? . 147 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 1^8

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE & Performing Arts is being organised in MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS the U.S.A. in I985-S6. (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA): (a) No, Sir, The schemes for grant of pre- Preservation of Wildlife and matric scholarship to Scheduled Caste;' Environment Scheduled Tribe Students are formulated and operated by State Governments and Union Territory Administrations and not 1255. SHRIMATI MADHURI by the Central Government. The Central SINGH ; Will the PRIME MINISTER Government, therefore, is not sharing any be pleased to state ; expenditure with the State Governfrients in paying the pre-matric stipend to SC (a) whether there was a workshop to and ST students ©f those States. The educate army personnel on the impor- Central Government lst howsver, sharing tance of wild life preservation in 50% of the expenditure for awarding Rajasthan ; pre-matric scholarships to the children of only those who are engaged in (b) the measures taken to promote unclean occupations, v/z., scavenging of preservation of wild life and environ- dry laterines, tanning, flaying, irrespective ment ; of their casts under a centrally sponsored scheme. • (c> whsther there is a proposal (b) and . (c) Yes, Sir. The State have such a workshop for other people Government of Orissa had requested the working in different scctors to preserve Central Government in May -1982 to wild life in their areas also ; and share the burden of expenditure incurred m paying pre-matric stipend to SC/ST (d) if so, the details thereof and if students with the State Government on not, the reasons thereof ? 50 : 50 hasis. But, the Central Govern- ment had expressed its inability to accede THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to the request of the State Government. MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND The State Government has reportedly i-OREST iSHRI BIR SEN) : (a) Yes, taken up the matter with the Planning Sir. Commission.

Cultural ties with U.S.A. (b) A statement is attached.

1 254. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PAT- (c) and (d). Several steps are being NAIK : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL taken for creating general awareness to AFFAIRS be pleased to state : enlist public support for wildelife conservation. The mass media, films audio- (a) whether efforts have been made visuals, publications and other publicity by Government to estbalish cultural ties material are being used for this purpose. with U.S A. ; and Special programmes aie arranged on the All-India Radio and the Dooidarshan, (b) if so, the details of the lies pro- Visitor information and education centres posed to be established to have better are being established in selected wildlife understanding with USA ? reserves and zoos. Leading non-govern- mental organisations like the World THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Wildlife Fiind— India and the Bombay MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL At FA IRS Natural History Society have been orga- (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) ; nising nature camps and other educational (a) Yes, Sir. programmes for children and the youth. During the Wildlife Week, held in (b) A festival of the American Pcr- October every year, special attention is foiming Arts was organised in India in focussed on these efforts all over the 1984 and a Festival of Indian Visual country. 149 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 150

Statement (vii) A national level institute called the Wildlife Institute of India 1 Some of the main initiatives taken has been established for pro- in recent years for promoting wildlife moting wildlife training, edu- conservation are given below : cation and research.

(viii) The Wildlife We*k is observed (0 A Central legislation called the Wild Life (Protection) Act, every year in the first week of 19;?, has been enacied to October for creating general promote a legal’basis for wild- awareness and * eliciting public life conservation on a country- support for conservation. wide basis. The Forest (Con- servation Act, 1980, checks (ix) India is a signatory to five in- indiscriminate diversion of ternational conventions — the forest lands which is the main Conventions on* International habitat of' wildlife in ihe Trade in Endangered Species country. of Wild Flora and Fauna (CITES), Wetlands, Whaling, (») The .Indian Board for Wild Life, Migratory species, and with the highest advisory body in the USSR on Migratory Birds. this field in the country, has acquired stature and influence (*) A National Wildlife Action Plan after the Prime Minister took has been adopted recently, over as its Chairperson since which provides the framework, 1980. of strategy, programmes and projects for wildlife conserva- (in) From 19 National Parks and tion in the future. Its main 205 Sanctuaries in 1980, the components are : network of protected areas in the country has been expanded — esiflblisbment of a represen- to include now 5 3 National tative network of protected Parks and 247 Sarfoiuaries areas ; ■ covering about 3% of the total land area and about 12% of — management of protected the forest area of the country. areas and habitat restoration ; . (iv) Special Projects like Project Tiger and Crocodile Project have — wildlife protection in multi- been launched to save en- . pie use areas ; dangered species. Project Tiger is one of the well known — rehabilitation of endanger- conservation successes of mo- ed and thieatened species ; dern times. — captive breeding prog- (v) Trade and commerce and ex non rammes ; and import of wfid animals, blrdi, plants and their deriva- — wildlife education and inter- tives are strictly controlled. pretation ;

(vi) Centrally-sponsored schemes have .— research and monitoring ; been launched to aid the development of national parks and — domestic legislation and sanctuaries (including tiger re- international conventions ; serves) and zoos and to promote conservation awareness —■ national conservation stra- and education. tegy: and 151 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 1 52

— collaboration with volun- Estimates of Loss of Forests due to tary bodies'non-governmen- , use of Firewood tal organisations.

Implementation of the Action Plan has 1256. SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHA- been taken up and several steps have VAN : WiUthe PRIMii MINISTER be. been initiated already. The nodal agency pleased to stafe : ' is the Central Directorate of Wildlife Preservation and the Wildlife Institute of (a) whether any estimate has been India with the active help of the State/ mede as to the loss of forest as a result Union Territory Governments and the . of the use of firewood in the country; cooperation of voluntary bodies and other national and international agencies. (b) ^ f so, the details thereof; The Actioa Plan has been made the central theme of the wildlife conservation (c) whether any effort is being made programme* for the Seventh Five Year to popularise other forms of fuel; and Plan (1985-90). 2. The Department of Environment (d) if so, the details thereof ? has taken several measures for environmental conservation and protection. En- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE vironmental Research Committee and MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND Man and Biosphere Committee in the FOREST (SHRI BIR SEN) ; (a) and Department of Environment have com- (b). No accuarte estimate of the exact missioned research programmes in priority of loss is available. areas for promoting environmental protection and maintaining ecological balance. Several programmes are focussed (a) and (d). The Government has on pollution monitoring and control. laid great stress on promotion of biogas Central Board for prevention and Control plants in the country. A National Project for Biogas Development was of Water Pollution and state Boards for Prevention and Central of launched as a Central Sector Scheme Water Pollution have been set up. in 1981-82. The target for 1,50,000 These Boards are acting as regulatory plants has been set up for 1984-85 agencies for controlling pollution from against which 1,17,820 plants have industrial effluents and emissions. A been set up upto February, 1985. In particular mention may be made of the case of community biogas plants the recently constituted Central Ganga Au full capital cost and cost of operation thority. A network of biosphere reserves for one year given. In case of institu- has been planned for conserving biological tional biogas plants subsidies ranging diversity in representative bio-giograpbic from 33^% to 75% is given. regions of the country. Eco-Development programmes are being taken up in criti- Change* in Service Rules of Officers cally degraded or fragile ecosystems fnr of LA S. and I.P.S. Cadres demonstrating restorative protective me- thodologies. Programmes of environ- 1257. KUMARI MAMATA BANE- mental education, training and awareness RJEE : Will the PRIME MINISTER be have been launched to promote environ- pleased to state : mental oonsciousnesa-among various sections of society. Advanced centres of studies in disciplines relevant to environ- (e) whether Government have any m ent! management have been planned., proposal to bring about change in the A particular mention may be made of service rules of the officers belonging to the proposed Institute of Himalayan En- IAS and IPS cadres; and vironment and Development. Programmes for environmental management are being (b) is so, what arc the changes intensified in the Seventh Plan. proposed ? 153 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 fSAKA) Written Answers 154

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE changes are effected in the rules as and DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL AND when necessary, in consultation with ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS AND the State Governments. Details of CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO) : important amendments to the rules which (a) and (b). Service rules applicable are presently under consideration in to ihe officers of the All India Services, consultation with the State Governments which include the IAS and IPS, are are given in the enclosed statement. reviewed on a continuous basis and Statement 155

S. No. Particulars o f the rule proposed Subject matter of the proposed amendments, ^ brief rte Answers Written 1. Rule 20 C of All India Services (Leave) Rules 1955 To allow encashment of leave in case of voluntary retirement on the same scale as applicable to officers of the Central Services. 2. Regulation 9 of All India Services (Study Leave) To regulate the manner in which cases of non-completion of

Regulations, I960 study for which study leave was sanctioned should be decided. 3. Rule 12 of the All India Services (Provident >) To liberalise the eligibility conditions for withdrawal for house Fund) Rules, 1955 building purpose.

4. Rule 13 of the AH India Services (Provident Fund) j Rules, 195 5 J 1985 27. MARCH 5. Rules 11, 1 3f 14 and 27 of the All India Services To regulate cases .of over-withdrawal wrongful use of advances (Provident Fund) Rules, 1955 or withdrawals from Provident Fund,- 4 6. Rule 13 of the All India Services (Conduct) To regulate the participation of officers in organisation connected Rules, 1 968 with sports activities 7 Rules, 19 A of the All India Services (Deaih-cum- To liberalise the provisions relating to payment of interest Retirement Benefits) Rules. 1958 on delayed payment of gratuity JDeath-cum-Retirement gratuity. 8. Rule 9 C and Schedule III C of the the Indian To include the post of Director in the Central Secretariat Administrative Service (Pay) Rules. 1954 in Schedule 1II-C of Indian Administrative (Pay) Rules, 1954 simultaneously deleting Rule 9 C ibid.

9. Schedule II to the Indian Administrative Service "] To provide fpr the languages to be taught to probat oners Answers Written (Probationers Final Examination) Regulations, 1955 | borne on the Sikkim Cadre. y 10. Schedule III to the Indian Police Service (Proba- tioners Final Examination) Ruglaiions, 1955. J l l i Rule 6 of the Indian Police Service (Cadre) Rules, To regulate the deputation of officers to the Central Govern- 156 1 954. ment or another State in the same manner as in the case of Indian Administrative Service officers under Rule 6 of the Indian Administrative Service (Cadre) Rules, 1954. 157 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 158

Transfer of technology of USA (a) the State-wise number of educated to India and un ducated unemployed persons a well as under-employed persons during 1 258. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS each Five Year Plan period ; MUNSI ■ Will the PRIME¥ MINISTER be pleased to s late ; (b) the number of persons provided employment, category-wise, during each (a) whether efforts have been made Five Year Plan ; to transfer some technology of U.S.A. to India ; (c) the number of the persons that ■ will remain jobless by the end of Sixth (b) if so, which are these areas and Five Year Plan in each State ; and terms and conditions thereof ; and (d) the details of the concrete steps (c) whether in energy equipments ( being taken the Seventh Five Year Plan also we are bringing in their techno- to provide employment to these people ? logy ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OP SCIENCE AND TECH- MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART. K..R. NARAYANAN) : (a) and (b). MEMTS Ol OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, The attached Statement-1 shows the ATOMIC ENERGY SPACE AND ELEC- estimates of unemployment, net'additions TRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : to the labour force, “employment poten- (a) Yes, Sir. tial** and actual employment generation ■ presented in successive Plan documents (b About 200 collaborations havi upto the Fourth Plan Draft outline as been approved .during the years 1983 and givun in table-1 chapter-II of the Report 1984. in the area of industrial machinery of the Committee of Experts on Unera- clectrical and electronics, chemicals and ployment Estimates set up by the mechanical ongneering industry etc. The Planning Commission in 1968. The terms and comlhions pertaining to the report of the Committee is available in payment vary from- ease to case ; some the Parliament Library. As regards the of them will include financial participa- First Plan (195 1-56), the Committee tion, some lumpsum payments ; some noted that at the time of formulation of royalty arrangements or comoinations .the First Plan, there were hardly any thereof The duration of the agreement, statistical data On employment and un- generally agreed to, is 8 years In employment, except the Employment addition there are standard conditions Exchange statistics limited to a few applicable to all collaborations covering towns and major cities. No estimates issues such as : Royalty payments, of unemployment in the economy as a standard instalments for lumpsum pay- whole were therefore attempted in the ments, import of Equipments arid mate- First Five Year Pkin but the likely impact rials related to the ■ pr-,>j-3ct* applicable of the Plan on the employment situation law and use of brand names. wris -estimated separately for some sectors. The Committee also recommen- (c) Yes, Sir, ded lhai the earlier practice of presenting estimates of growth in the labour force, In the area of energy equipments as ■ of additional employment generated by well technology has also been knpottcd the Phns and of unemployment at the from USA. end of the Plan period, presented in one dimensional magnitudes, be given up. In Unemployment under each Plan ihe light of the improvements suggested by the Committee, the National Sample I 259. SHRI O.D. GAMIT ; Will ihe Survey Organisation developed and Minister of PLANNING be pleased to standardised the relevant concepts and state : definitions and adopted them in its 159 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 160 quinquennial surveys of employment and employment os observed in the 32nd unemployment from 1972-73 (27th round of NSSO survey of 1977-78, the Round). . estimate of unemployment in March 1980, according to Usual Status for the A table giving the Daily Status Un- age group 5 + was 12.02 million. The employment rates by States based on net addition to the labour force during the NSS 32nd round (1977-78) has been 1980-85 was placed at 34,24 million in presented in the Sixth Plan Document the Sixth Plan Document. The expected (page 216). increase in employment in the Plan period has been estimated at 32.44 Figures of the number of job-seekers on million standard persons years. The the live register of Employment Exchanges actual number of beneficiaries is expected and placements effected by the Employ- to be more since not every member of ment Exchanges are given in statements- the labour force rray be a- full time II, III and IV [Placed in Library see worker during the entire year. No. (LT-693/85]. laid on the table of the (d) The Seventh Five Year Plan is House. It may be stated that ^11 job- under formulation. The approach to seekers registered with the employment the issue of employment in the Seventh exchanges are not necessarily unemployed. Plan has been indicated in the Document Likewise, all unemployed do not register “ The Approach to the Seventh Five Year with the employment exchanges. Plan 1985-90'’ which has been pi^ced on the Table *bf the House on July JO, (c) Assuming the same rates of un- 1984. Statement-I

Estimates of Unemployment, Net Additions to the Labour Force, “Employment Potential" and Actual Employment Gen. ration presented in Successive Plan Documents (Figures in Millions)

Second Plan Third Plan Fotirih Plan (195661) (1961-6C) Draft Outline •(1966-7t)

Unemployment at the start of 5.3 9.0 9.0 — .0 each Plan (7.0>

Net additions to the labour 1 0.0 17 0 21 0 force during the Plan period (11.7)' Employment potential of the Plan (a) Total 10.0 14.0 18.5 — 1 9.0 (b), No r Agricultural 8.0 10.5 14.0 (c) Agricultural 2.0 3.5 4.5 5.0 Employment generated by the Plan (a) Total 8.0 14.0 (10.0) (b) Non-agricultural 6.5 10.5 (c) Agricultural 1.5 4.0

Source : Govt, of India, Planning Commission, Report of the Committee of Experts on Unemployment Estimates, 1970, Table 1, Chapter I[t (Note : Figures in parentheses show the revised estimates). * 161 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 {SAKA) Written Answers 162

■ • ‘Pollution by Steel/Cement Plants in Outlay for Minimum Needs Programme the Country” for West Bengal

1260. SHRI BALASAHEB V1K.HE 1261. SHRI BHOLA NATH SEN : PATIL : Will the PRIME MINISTER Will the MINISTER OF PLANNING be pleased to state ; ' be pleased io state ;

(a) whether West Bengal is lagging (a) whether the major stecl/cement behind in achieving the objectives of the plants of our country have now been Minimum Needs Programme included in surrounded by habitation; the States Sixth Five Year Plan; and

(b) whether these industrial units are (b) if so i not fully equipped to control pollution (i) the sectors/objectives in caused by smoke/gas and effluents; and which West Bengal is lagging behind; (c) whether a thorough survey of these units will be made and steps taken (ii) what was the target for to check the present pollution ? achieving th^e objectives by 1984-85;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (iii) to what extent this objec- MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND tive has been achieved so FORESTS (SHRI BIR SEN) ; (a) No, far, and Sir. . (iv) what was the total outlay approved by the Planning (b) All the major steel plants are Commisson for [such Pro- equipped with pollution control facilities. grammes in West Bengal Majority of crment plants have pollution for the period 1980-85 ancf control systems which are functioning to what extent this outlay satisfactorily. Some of them need im- was utilised by the Govern- provement in their performance, ment of West Bengal ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 9 (c) A survey has been made on the MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI effluents of steel plants and the concerned K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) and ( b \ authorities have been directed for necess- j* Attached statements I and II show ary action. An inventory on pollution respectively the financial anc| the physical control status in cement plants has also targets and achievements under the beeh made. Standards have been pre- different components of the Minimum scribed for control of emissions from the Needs Programme in West Bengal dur.ng steel and cement plants. the Sixth Plan (1980— 85). 163 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 164

Statement-I

• Minimum Needs Programme

Sixth Plan ( 1980— 85)— West Bengal (Outlay J Expenditure)

(Rs. lakhs) ■

Name of the Programme Sixth Plan Sixth Plan 1980— 85 1980 — 85 likely Agreed Outlay expenditure

I • 2 3

Rural Eletcrification 1388 1127

Rural Roads 3750 2900

Elementary Education 1 12750 8184

Adult Educatioa * • 467

Rural Health 2588 1984

Rural Water Suppfy 4800 3002

Rural House-sites-cum construction schemes 1200 ' 775

Environmental improvement of slums 2700 1895 i Nutrition 2500 2205

Total 31670 22539

Statement-11 4 ' • Minimum Needs Programme

Sixth P/bn (1980— 85)— Targets Likely Achievements—- West Bengal

Programme Unit Sixth Plan (1980— 85)

Target m Likely Achievement

1 2 . 3 4 Rural Roads Villages with

(i) population 1500 and above No*. 3753 3723

(ii) population 1000-1500 i* 2056 1969 165 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 166

Rural Health

Sub-Centres Nos. 3000 4316

Primary Health Centres 30 22

Subsidiary Health Centres »» 150 70

Community Health Centres 45 16

Elementary Education

Classes (I-VIII)

Boys 000’s 5663 5973

Girls »» 4317 4352

Total 9980 10325 # »>

Adult Education Lakh persons Not fixed 18.73

(Approximately)

Housc-sites-cum-House ' Construction

(a) House-sites allotted Number 60,000 37,752

(b) Construction Assistance 85,000 54.886

Environmental Improvement o f Slums

Slum dwellers benefited Number 18,00,000 6,39,000

Nutrition

SNP ’ Lakhs Not fixed «.5

MDM Lakhs Not fixed 35

Rural Water Supply

No. of problems villages covered Nos. 10687 11758 Rural Electrification (Upto Dec. 1984)

Villages Electrified No. 3060 2521

Pumpsets energised 6800 .1187 167 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 168

Plan for Bringing Waste Land under lakh Improved Chulhas. Centra! support Cultivation, Setting up of Bio-Gas of Rs. 64 1 crores for the Biogas Pro- Plants and [ntrodjction of gramme and Rs. 85 crores for the Im- Improved Chultias proved Chulhas programme has been proposed. The Solar Thermal Energy 1262. SHRI K. PRADHANI ; Will Programme includes extension and de- the PRIME MINISTER be pleased monstration of various solar thermal sys- to state : tems such as solar water heaters, timber ♦ ' kilns dryers, desalination systems, pilot (a) whether the Deptt. of Non-Con- scale solar power plants, solar cookers ventional Energy Sources had prepared a and promotion of “passive architecture.*' plan for bringing under cultivation 1.5 The Solar Photovoltaic* Programme aims million hectares of waste land for fast at expanding production facilities, con- growing fuel wood varieties ; if so, the struction of pilot plants, electrification of broad outlines thereof ; . remote and isolated villages aud provision r of solar powered water pumps. An out- (b) whether the Deptt. had also pre- lay of Rs. 1004 crores has been propos- pared a programme for setting up bio-gas ed for the entire Solar Energy Program- plants, introduction of improved chulhas me. Under the Micro Hydel Programme, and tapping of the solar and hydel re- tfie proposal is to be set up small sources, if so, the broad outlines of this hydro power plants with a total generat- programme ; ing capacity of 200 MW of electricity at an estimated cost of Rs. 506 crores. (cl the estimated capital outlay involved in the above plan programme ; and (d) The proposals of the Department have not been finalised by the Planning (d) how ths expenditure will be Commission as yet. The question, there- met in view of the drastic reduction fore, of reduction in the Plan outlay by made in the outlay by the Planning the Planning Commission does not arise Commission ? at this stage. ( THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- [Translation] MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT Persons Arrested under Officia ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND Secrets Acts ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. A draft 1264. SHRI KRISHAN PRATAP Seventh Five Year Plan has been prepared. SINGH ; Will the Minister of HOME The Plan inter-aiia has proposed energy AFFAIRS be pleased to state : plantation on !.5 million hactares of sub- standard soil or waste land where no agricultural farming is done at present. (a) the number of persons arrested The programme is proposed to be imple- since 1st January, 1985 under the provi- mented through State Government, Public sions of official Secrets Act ; and Corporations and similar agencies. Suit- able sites for the energy plantations will (b) the steps taken to formulate a be identified by the State Governments fool proof system for the maintenance and other competent agencies. An out- and custody of official classified docu- lay of Rs. 1 200 crores has been propos- ments ? ed for the entire Energy Plantation and allied programme for the Seventh 1 i Plaii period. The draft Plan document THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has also proposed setting up 15 lakli family MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI- size Biogas Plants and 1 200 community' MATI RAM DULARI SINHA): (a) institutional Biogas Plants. It further Information is being collected and ^ill be cf> Visages construction/installation of 50 laidjon [the Table of the House. 169 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 170

(bl Government has initiated a series (b) and (c). A statement incorporat- of measures to ensure the security and ing in brief the main proposals accepted secrecy of classified documents in the at the two meetings and action in regard various Ministries and Departments. The to the implementation thereof is laid on matter has been gone into a t. the highest the table of the House. [Placed in Li- levels and a Committee has been consti- brary. See No. LT-694/85]. tuted to streamline security procedures, in particular, to go into the treatment- [English] . atid handling of all classified information. . Annual Plan from Orissa for 1985-86

1266. SHRI CHINTAMANT PANI- Hindi Advisory Committee Meetings GRAHI : Will the Minister of PLAN- During 1984 NING be pleased to state :

1265. SHRI KRISHAN PRATAP . (a) whether the Orissa Government SINGH : Will the Minister of TOU- has sent its proposal for oullays for the RISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleas- annual plan 1985-86 ; ed to state : * .

(b) if so, the details thereof; (a) the number of meetings of Hindi Advisory Committee of his Ministry held during 1984 ; (c) whether its proposed outlay has been accepted ; and (b) the proposals accepted at these meetings ; and (d) amount of resources which the State Government has indicated to raise (c) the details in regard to the imple- for its annual plan ? mentation of these proposals ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) to (d). AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : The outlays proposed by the Government (a) Two meetings of the Hindi Salahkar of Orissa for their Annual Plan 1985-86 Samiti of the Ministry were held during are given in the statement enclosed. The 1984 on 14th March and 31st August, Plan size including the State’s contribu- 1984. tion to it is yet to be finalised.

Statement

Annual Pkm (1985-86) I. Agriculture and allied services

Research and Education 155 Crop Husbandry 1210 Dry land/Rainfed farming 70 Soil and Water Conservation . * 250 Anim-il Husbandry 375 Dairy Development * 25 Fisheries ■ 300 Forests 969 Investment in Agricultural Fin. Institutions 100 Marketing 30 Storage and Warehousing 15

TOTAL— (I) 3499 171 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Written Answers 172

II. Rural Development Integrated Rural Development Programme (IPDP) 2085 National Rural Employment Programme (NREP) 1200 Drought Prone Area Programme (DPAP) 293 Desert Development Programme (DDP) Other Programmes (to be specified) 1000** Commanity Development and Panchayats 130 Land Reforms 855 Special Programmes for Area Dev. (State programed) (i) Development of Backward Areas (ii) Others (to be specified) TOTAL—(II) 5563 f? III. Cooperation 1055 IV. Irrigation & Flood Control (a) Irrigation '

(i) Water Development (Survey, Investigation and Research) 232 (ii) Mutti-porpose River Valley (Projects Irrigation Portion only) 2946

' (iii) Major & Medium Irrigation Projects 8022 Sub-Total (/-j- ii+ iii ) 11200

(b) Minor Irrigation ' 3209 (c) Command Area Dev, 300 (d) Frood Control Projects (including Anti-Sea Erosion) 700

TOTAL—(IV) 15409

V. Powdr (i) Power Development (Survey, Investigation & Research) 50 (ii) Multi-purpose River Valley Projects (Power Portion only) 5330

(ii) Power Projects (Generation) # 1100 (iv) Transmission and Distribution 3900 (v) General (including Rural Electrification) - 2000 (vi) New Sources of Energy Including Bio-gas and Integrated Rural Energy Programme (IREP) 2761

TOTAL— (V) 15141 173 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) - Written Answers 174

VI. Industry and Minerals •

Villages and Small Industries ... 950

Medium and Large Industries * ... 2310

Mining ... 530

TOTAL—(VI) > ... 3790

• „ VII. Transport Minor Parts & Light Houses . ... 1500

Shipping — Civil Aviation ... 33 Roads and Bridges ... 3437 Road Transport ... ' 687 Inland Water Transport ... 50 Tourism ... 150

Others (to be specified) ... —

TOTAL—(VII) . 5857 % VIII. Scientific Services & Research. S & T Programmes ... 125 Environmental Prograrnnis (excluding W.itir ' Pollution Control) ... 51 4 Water Pollution Control • ... 24

TOTAL —(VIII) 200

IX. Socipl and Community Services . Education

General Education ’ ... 5173

Art and Culture ... 120 Technical Education ... 320 Sports & Youth Services ... 150 Sub-TQtal (Education) ... 5763 . Medical (Excluding ESI) ... 2316 Employees State Insurance Scheme ... 10 Public Health & Sanitation ... 92

Sub-Total (Health) . . . 2418

Sewerage and Water Supply 2125 . 175 Written Answers MARCH 27> 1985 Written Answers 176

- Housing (excluding Police Housing) ... 745

Police Housing ... 150

Urban Development (excluding State •. Capital Projects) ... 460 State Capital Projects ... 350 Information and Publicity * ... 150 Labour and Labour Welfare ... 240 •

Special Employment Schemes (State Programmes) ... — Welfare of SC, ST and Others Backward Classes ... 500 Social Welfare ... 66 Nutrition ... 442 l Other Social & Community Services ’ (to be specified) ... —

TOTAL—(IX) 13409

X. Economic Services

Seczel&riate Economic Services ... 34

Economic Advice and Statistics ■ ... ■ 45

Weights and Measures ... 10

Other General Economic Services (to be specified) ... —

lOTAL— (X) 89

XI, General Services . '

Stationery and Printing ... 175

Public Worlts ... 360 Civil Supplies* • ,.. 515

Others (to b« specified) ... —

TOTAL—(XI) 1050

• Grand Total ... 65062

^Including Public distribution system, Civil Supplies Corporation. **For Economic rehabilitation of rural poor and small and marginal farmers. 177 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) ' Written Answers 178

[Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Proposal to connect Faizabad with DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS AND SPORTS(SHRI R.K. JAI- Vayudoot Service CHANDRA SINGH) : (a) to (e). 1267. SHRI NIRMAL KHATRI ; 1 985 has been designated by the United Will the Minister of TOURISM AND Nations General Assembly as International CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : . Youth Year (IYY) with the theme “ Participation, Development and Peace” . As an active Member State of the UN, (a) the purpose behind introducing Government of India have decided to Vayudoot service in ihe country; and observe the year in a befitting and appropriate manner. The year is being (b) whether there is any proposal to celebrated in India as the Year of the connect Faizabad with Vayudoot service Youth. . " to attract tourists to Ayodhya a place of pilgrimage ? Government have set up a Working Group on International Youth Year THE MIMISTER OF STATE IN THE inter-alia to draw up a programme for MINISTRY OP TOURISM AND CIVIL IYY, The Working Group included AVfATION (SHRI ASHOK. GEHLOT) : representatives of voluntary organisations (a) Vayudoot services have been working in the field of youth activ ties ; introduced in the country to connect namely, Climbers and Explorer’s Club, remote and inaccessible • areas of the New Delhi, R K. Mission Ashram, North-Eastern Region and to provide Narcndrapur. Bharatiya Adimjjti Sewak air connections to such stations outside Sangb, New Delhi and Tala Institute of North-East as are important from the S ocial Sciences, Bombay. point of view o! trade, commerce and • tourism .and are not scived by lnd an Special programmes for observance of Airlines * the International Youth Year in the country including the Eastern Region have been drawn up. These include (b) Such a proposal is not presently inter-alia :— ‘under consideration of Government.

(i) Observance of the birthday of [English] Swami Vivekananda (K th Jan- Observance of National Youth Year uary) as the National Youlh Day.

1268. SHRI ANIL BASU ; Will (ii) Observance of January 12 to the Minister of YOUTH AFFAIRS AND January 19 as National Youth SPORTS be pleased to slate : . Week.

(a) whether any programmes have (Hi) Holding of National and Inter- national Seminars. been chalked out Union Government to observe 1985 as “International Year (iv) Organisation of National Integra- of Youth" in the country and specially tion Camps. in the Eastern region of the country; (v) Organisation of Exhibitions. (b) if so, details thereof; (vi) Holding of National Sports Festival, (c) whether Youth Organisations were consulted in the matter; (vii) Holding of National Theatre Festival (d) if so, their names; and {Viii) Organisation of National Youth (e) if not, reasons thereof ? • Festival. 179 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985. Written Answers 1 80

(ix) Setting up of more Youth Hostels. ceedings of their talks confidential. The other three nuclear weopon powers— (x) Holding of International Youth the United Kingdom, France and Cultural Festival. China—are not parties to these talks.

(xi) Issue of ' commemorative coins Grant of Pension to Freedom Fighters and stamps. ' 1270. SHRI NARSINGRAO SUR- (xii) Organisation of special pro- YA WANSHl : Will the Minister o£ grammes by the National Service HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to slate : Scheme Units and the Nehru Yuvak Kendras. (a) how many cases of grant of pension to Freedom Fighters have been re- (xiii) Institution of National Youth ceived by Government during the last Awards. ' . three years from Karnataka and Bidar respectively;

Arms Talks Between USA and^TfSSR (b) how many of these have been in Geneva settled and pension orders released year- wise so far; and 1269. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH f Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- (c) what problems are being encoun- FAIRS be pleased to state : ' tered in disposing'of unsettled cases ?

(a) whether arms talks between USA THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and USSR scheduled to be held in MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Geneva on March ]2, 1985, have taken (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : place and whether we have received (a) 54 89 applications have been authentic reports about the proceedings received from Karnataka (including Bidar thereof; district) till 28th February, 1985 under the liberalised Pension Scheme affective from 1st August, I 9.>w. (b> if so, the d tails of the subjects discussed and the outcome thereof; and lb) The number of cases in which pension to Freedom Fighters of Kar- (c) the prospects or arriving ai an nataka State (including Bidar district) agreed settlement about nuclear disarma- was sanctioned and rejected are as ment involving all the nuclear powers ? follows :

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Year No. of pensions MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS- (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : Sanctioned Rejected (a) to (c). The USA and USSR com- menced arms negotiations in Geneva on 1982 434 620 March 12, as scheduled. According to 1983 344 440 the joint statement issued by the U.S. 1984 " 301 1954 Secretary of State and the Soviet Foreign Minister on 8th January, 1 985, the (c) Most of the cases are pending subject of these negotiations will be “ a because of Non-receipt of reports from complex of questions conccrning space the State Government. and nuclear arms—both strategic and in* rmediate range-^with all the questions Setting up of One Stbr Hotels by considered and resolved in their inter- I.T.D.C. relationship” . 1271. SHRI K. PRADHANI : Will By mutual agreement the two negotia- the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL *ing parlies have agreed to keep the pro- AVIATION be pleaded to stale : 181 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 182 m (a) whether ihe Indian Tourism De- (c) the role to be assigned to both velopment Corporation has revived the the private and public sectors in boosting idea of a boat hotel and ply the Ganga electronics and the particular lines/fields yatra boat between Varanasi and Allaha- to be assigned to each sector ? * r ^ bad. with a view to promote holiday tourism; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE * MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- (a) whether this project has been NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- worked out in detail; MENTS OF OCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND (c) if so, the details thereof and the ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL) : (a) to (c). Details are capital outlay involved therein; covcred in the “ Integrated Policy Mea- sures on Electronics” announced by the id) how long will it take to start Minister of S(ate for Electronics in Par- this; liament on 21st March, 1985.

(e) whether the ITDC will also con- Spurt In activities of . sider the need for setting up of one-star Mizo Rebles hotels at places like Chilka lake in * Orissa, Hardwar, Rishikesh, Mathura and 1273. SHRI K. PRADHANI :Will, other places of pilgrim Centres; and the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state ; (f) if so, Ihe broad details of their plan and when it will be implemented ? (a) whether there has lately been a spuit in the activities of the Mizo

reb^s ; ., THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION iSHRl ASHOK GEHLOT) ; (b)‘ whether the Mizo insurgents (a) to (d). ITDC has a proposal for a raided a magazine of the Boarder Roai River Guise on the Ganga in a floating Task Force, located inside the camp of hotel The proposal is Ht a very preli- the 5th Batallion of Manipur Rifles at minary stage, and the details havo not * Uchathel, Imphal district on the 10th been worked out, March, 1985 and decamped with a large quantity of detonators, fuse wires and (e) For the present ITDC has no gelatine i * * such propos il, fc) whether any clue has been found to this daring and biggest loot of (f) Does not arise. explosives by insurgents in Manipur ; and % * Broad-Banding for Electronics Growth (d) what effective steps are * being 1272. SVlRl K. PRADHANI : Will taken to meet this situation ?' the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (a) whether a series of measures, (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) ; including “ broad-banding” of production (a) No, Sir. licences, are under examination of Go- vernment to encourage the growth of (b) and (c^ On the morning of March electronics in the country; 9, 19.85, the Border Roads Task Force authorities detected that 10,000 detona- (b) if so, the broad outlines thereof; tors 25 Kgs. of gelatine and 250 metres and ’ of fuse wire were missing from their I 83 Written Answers MARCH 4.7 1V8> H rltien Answer > 184 explosiycs dump located inside the pre- (c)* whether the Boards of Air-India cincts of the 5tb Mahipur Rifles Camp and Indian Airlines have since been re- Uchathal, Jiribam (Imphal district) constituted ; if so, their composition ; and reported the theft to the. Police. and Enquiries made so far have not Mtabli- (d) if not, the reasons therefor and shed involvement of the Mizo National when will this be done ? Front. » THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) A court of enquiry has been MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL ordered by Border Roads Organisation. AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : (a) and (b) The common Part-time Executive Powers of the Chairman Chairman of the three airlines has various of three Airlines functions to perform. He presides over the meetings of the Board of Directors 1274. SHRI SANAT KUMAR and is expected to provide general guid- MANDAL : Will the Minister of TOUR- ance to the Chief Executives of the ISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased Airlines. to state ; ‘ (c) The Board of Directors of Air- (a) whether the common chairman of India and Indian Airlines have been the three airlines (Air India, Indian reconstituted for a period of two years Airlines and Vayudoot) does not have any with effect from 23 7.1984 The com- executive powers ; position of the two Boards is given in the attached statement. (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; (dj Does not arise.

Statement

Composition of Board of Directors <*/ Air India and Indian Airlines

AIR. INDIA INDIAN AIRLINES

1. Part-time Chairman Chairman Part-time Chairman Air India Chairman* Indian Airlines ■ 2. * Chief of the Air * Director Chief of the Director Staff . Air Staff

3. Secretary, »» Secretary, Civil Aviation Civil Aviation 4 .' Foreign Secretary Secretary, (Expenditure) Ministry of Finance

5. Secretary .(Expenditure) Representative of Ministry of Finance Department of Economic Affairs

Additional Secretary, Director General • I (Banking) (Tourism) Ministry of -Finance

Director General 7, Managing (Tourism) Director, Air India 185 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 fSAKA) Written Answers 186

_____ AIR INDIA INDIAN AIRLINES 8. Managing Director Director 8. Managing Director Air India " Direclor} , 4 Indian Airlines 9. Chairman, ,, 9. Chairmanj ,, International Airports ‘ International Authority of India Airports Authority of India 10. Part-time Chairman ,, 10. Part-time ,, Indi in Airlines Chairman, ■ Air India 11. Managing Director, ,, 1 r. Mrs. Kishwar Non- Indian Airlines Shabbir Khan Official Director 12. SHRI J.R.D. Tata Non- - Official Director 13. Shri Zain G. ,, Rangoonwala

Disturbance in Southern Sefi Waters (a) whether Government’s attention has been drawn to the statement of Sri 1 275. SHRI N DENNIS : Will the Larkan Prime Minister made in an Minister of LXTERNAL AFFAIRS be interview with the State-run television pleased lo state . broadcast on February 22-23, 1985 night it) the effect that the call for a (a) the steps taken by Governir.ent political solution to the Tamil ethnic pro- to intensify the activities of the Coast blems is very unfair and not practicable Guards in view of the prevailing disturb- in the given situation; and • ed circumstances in bur Southern sea waters ; and . (b) if so, Government’s reaction thereto ? (b) if so, the details thereon ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : (a) Government have seen reports (a) and (b). With a view to providing appearing in a section of the press, about full protection to our fishermen inside Sri Lankan Prime Minister’s interview to India's own maritime zone, Government the Singapore Television on 22 nd have strengthened its Coast Guard and February. Naval presence in the Pa Ik Strait and organised regular patrolling in the area. (b) Government of India continues From last month, additional air to believe that the ethnic problem in Sri surveillance has also been introduced. Lanka can only be solved through a peaceful negotiated settlement acceptable Statement of Sri Lankan Prime Minister to all concerned. against. Political Solution of the Ethnic Problems Padayatrd Undertaken by ISC ON

1276. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH : 1277. SHRI R.P. DAS : Will the Will the Mintster of EXTERNAL AFF- Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased AIRS be pleased to state : to state : Ji7 Written Answers M \R CH 27, 1985 Written Answers 185;

(a) wheihet Government arc aware (a) whether Government of Sri Lanka \hat 1SCON has undertaken a Pndayutra have sent fresh ptoRp.sals for settling the of 4000 Kms. covering ten States right question of T.imils in Sri Lanka through from Dwarka in Gujarat to Mayapur % its High Commissioner in New Delhi; West Bengal since 2nd September, 1984; m (b) whether Government have consi (b) what this international organisa- dered these proposals and found them to tion aims at in organising padayatras on be a step forward from the past position; such a gigantic scale in India; and

(c) the sources of its funds; (c) whe her as a rcfult Government now propose to take a new initiative to (d) whether any other religious bring about an amicable settlement ? society, institutions or groups or individuals ,are connected with this endeavour THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of 1SCON in any wpy; and MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) ; (a) No, Sir. (e) if so, the names of the asso- ciates 7

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THF Varadaraja'iwami Gndl Irrigation, MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Andhra Pradesh (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : (a) Yer, Sir. 1279. SHRI M. SUBBA RED D Y ; Will the PR1MI MINISTER be pleused whether cleaning of forests land (d) and (e) As per reports no other will be limited to a bare minimum of 20 religious societies, institutions or groups hectares only; and or individuals are connected with this endeavour of ISKCON in organising the (e) if so, whether the Project will be Fadayatra. cleared by Government at the earliest since Andhra Pradesh Government has Settlement of Sri Lanka's Ethnic already incurred an txpenditure of almost Problem Rs, 30 lakfas ?

1278. SHRI G.G SWEJX : THE MlNISTtR OF STATE IN THE SHRI AMAL DATTA : MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND SHRI K P. UNNIKRISHNAN ; FORESTS (SHRI BIR SEN) • (a) Yes, Sir. ' Will the Minister of EXTERNAL (b) to (e). The proposal received AFFAIRS be pleased to state ; from the Government of Andhra Pradesh 1 i>9 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 190 in February. 1981. for release of 260 Ha. (a) the number of daily rated cletks o f forest land for ihe Voradarajaswami wording in central Passport Offices; Ciudi Irrigation Project in Kurnool Dis- trict was considered by th-* Central Go. - (b) whether Government have decided vernm ent and not agreed to. The State to regularise suoti employees as have ful- Government sent a revised proposal in filled the conditions for absorption in August, 198?, in which the requirement regular employment including those who of forest land was reduced to 200 ha. have become over aged; and This revised proposal was considered by the Advisory Committee set up un ler Section 3 of the Forest tConservation) (c) if so, the procedure being adopted Act, 1980, and it was found necessary to for such regu lari sat ion 7 have the project ^cleared first by the Central Department of Environment from THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the environmei.t angle. The Department MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS of environment consiituted an expert (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : group for this purpose On the basis of (a) 307 daily rated lower division clerks the recommendations of the expert group, are working in 19 Passport Offices all the Dep^rtmen^ of Environment recom- over India under the Central Passport mended in January, 1983, that the irriga- Org misation, of ihe Ministry of External tion project nt the proposed site should Affairs. not be taken up considering the impor- t i n g 1* of preserving the wildlife habitat. Th area coming under subm ênce (b) and (c). It has since been decided forms pari of Nagarjunasagar—- to regularise such employees, (including Srisailam Wildlife Sanctuary, which those who were overage at the time of hiis -llso been c-inîituicd into a Tiger their initial appointment or have since Reserve become overage* who qualify in the Departm nt Competitive Examination Before taking a final view in the • indludtng *yping test) scheduled to be matter, .*n intcr-departmental team con- held on the 24th March. 1985 at 5 sisting of representatives of the Ministry centres viz Delh\ Lucknow, Bombay, of Agriculture, Director (Tiger Project) Madras and Cochin. This will also be and Conservator of Forests (Wildlife), ■ subject to availability of regular vacan- Government qf Andhra Pradesh, was cies of Lower Division Clerks. Services constituted to carry out a site inspection of those Daily Rated Clerks who do not of the area and to submit its recommen- qualify in the above mentioned examina- dations. The team recommended the tion as well as the typewriting test will lowering of the height of the dam and the have to be terminated accordingly. release of only 160 ha. of forest ând subject to certain safeguards, including the shifting of a village to a place outside Free Tickets to Foreign/Indian the sanciuary area The State Govern- Journalists ment has been requested to initiate action for the relocation of the village. The 1281 SHRI SANAT KUMAR Slate Govcrnmem has al o been request- ' . MANDAL: ed, to examine und report immediately SHRIMATI CEETA MU. the implications of lowering the height of KHERJEE : the dam. As soon as the required information is made available by the State Government, ti e case *ill be decided. Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be pleased to state : Kegularfoation of Daily Rated Clefks V . in Central Passport Offices (a) whether there is any scheme or 1280. SHRI GADADHAR SAHA : guidelines laid down for issuing of free SHRI AJIT KUMAR SAHA : tickets to foriegn/Indian journalists and Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AF- i heir families by Air-India, if so, the FAIRS be pleased to state ; broad outlines thereof; 191 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 Writien Answers 192

(b) whether a written complaint has Conservation of Wild Life been made to the Air-India management in India about the preferential treatment 1282 PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Will Jp atleast three London based correspon- the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to dents of some Indian national newspapers stale : In the issue of free tickets for themselves and their families as mentioned in the (a) whether many rare species of wild news item appearing in the ‘Business life are facing threat of extinction in Standard' Calcutta Issue dated 11 Feb- India; ruary, 1985; and (b) if so, whether effective con- (c) if so, whether the matter has been servative measures are not- being imp- investigated aod its outcome 7 lemented; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the details of the steps being MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL contemplated by Government in this regard ? AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) ; * (a) Free tickets can be given to foreign/ Indian journalists by an airline in terms THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of .a contract signed between the airline Ml MSTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND $nd news-papers magazines, in lien of ihe FORESTS (SHRI BIR SEN) • (a) Of advertisements in such news papers and Ihe flbny idenitfifd species of wild life magazines. Free tickets can also be in India some are rare and some are provided under a similar contract signed endangered. None of the identified species between Air-India and an individual are facing extinction. journalist in lieu of articles publised in national news-papers. In these ca&es the (b) and (c). Does not arise. Corporation in return for free tickets receives the benefit of ad vet lisement and Negotiations witlj A kali Leaden on publicity. In. certain cases facility of Punjab Problem casual credit is provided to the journalists to ebable them visit India to obtain a 1283. SHRI S.M, BHATTAM : proper perspective of Indian National' Will the Mimst-r of HOME AFFAIRS be International events while reporting on pleased to state ; such events and also to counter adverse publicity on such events in the foreign press. (aj whether Government intend to resume negotiating with the A kali Leaders on the Punjab problem ; (b) Yes, Sir. (b) whether the high powered com- h.ittee formed to study the various (c) It was felt necessary by Air Indi* --opects of the problem for* finding a that the adverse publicity in the foreign peaceful solution ha* made any recommend- press relating to conditions in India, ations; and which tended to discourage foreigner from visiting India, should be countered in the interest of promoting tiaffic to (c) whether Government intend to India and for this purpose tickets against release the remaining Akali Leaders who casual cradit were issued to ceitain jour- are now in prison ? nalists so that on iheir return from India their reporting of the conditions in India THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE in the foreign press w.ould be in the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS proper perspective. The facts being (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : known, Air-India did not consider it (a> Government have throughout beep necessary to make any investigation. keeping the door open for negotiated 193 Written Answers CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 194 settlement keeping in view the larger and indigenous manufacture of nuclear considerations of preserving the unity fuel ; and integrity of the country. * (b) if. so, the steps taken and/or to ’ (b) The Cabinet Committee is curr- be taken by Government ; and . ently looking into various aspects of the matter and it also proposes to visit (c) the progress in the matter ? some places in Punjab.

(c) Cases of Akali Leaders who are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE now in prison will be reviewed at MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECH- appropriate time. NOLOGY AND IN THE DEPART- MENTS OF CCEAN DEVELOPMENT, ATOMIC ENERGY, SPACE AND Clearance of Public Sector Projects ELECTRONICS (SHRI SHIVRAJ V. by Planning Commission PATIL) : (a) to(c). Government have progressively increased the indigenous 12SA, SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOW- content of nuclear power reactors con- DHURY : Will the Minister of structed in India India is also in a PLANNING be pleased to s!ate • position to meet her needs for nuclear fuel indigenously. As a result India is (a) ihe number of big industrial and today one of the few countries in the developmental projects in public sector world which can indigenously design, cleared by the Planning Commission construct, operate nuclear reactors with- durfnt: the last tiftcerv years; out relying on external inputs.

(b) the scheduled time for their _ i Environmental clearance in irrigation completion; Project in Madhya Pradesh

(c) the number out of 'them completed on schedule; 1286. SHRI SHIVENDRA BAHA- DUR SINGH : Wifi the PRIME MINI- (d) the number still incomplete; and STER be pleased to state :

(e) the reasons for the delay in the (a) whether Government are aware completion ? that the irrigation projcct works financed by World Bank in Chhirpani, Kawardha THI MINISTER OF STAtE IN THE in the district of Rajnandgaon, Madhya MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI Pradesh are held up due to non-clearance K.R. NARAYANAN) : (a) to (c). In of the case by his Ministry ; iht absence of any indication as to whether Ceulral or State projects or both (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; arc to be covered and of any indication and regarding the cut oO bize of the projects^ referred to. it would not be possible to (c) the number of such cases pending provide information on the question. with his Ministry from the district of Rajnandgaon relating to Departments of Self reilancc In Nuclear Technology Powerf P.W.D. and irrigation ?

1285. SHRl BHOLA NATH SEN : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND to state : ■ FOREST (SHRI BIR SEN) ; (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether Government have taken steps for achieving self reliance in sophi- (b) The detailed project Report has sticated and front line nuclear technology not been referred to the Department of 195 Written Answers MARCH 27, 1985 ' Written Answers 196

Environment. It will be considered as (d) to (f). A letter dated 10-1-1985 and when it is received, * from the same correspondent enclosing

■ therewith a photocopy of his letter addressed to the Chairman, Air-India, (c) No other project for the District has been received in . CBI, The matter of Rajnandgaon is pending with the is under.verification. Department of Environment. f

A T.A. bills for visiting.senior officials Hazards of Nuclear Power Plans of-Air India in London 1288. SHRI MANIK REDDY : Will 1287. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKH- the PRIME* MINISTER■ be pleased to ERJEE : Will the Minister of TOURISM state : AND CIVIL AVIATION bte pleased to state : ' , ■ (a) whether Government are aware of the view that Nuclear Power PJants pose ’ (a) whether Chairman of Air-India no hazards or lease hazards as claimed had received personally in Westbury by Ch’airman, Atomic Energy Regulatory Hotel in London on November 19, 1984 Board and two other scientists and if so, a complaint by a non-resident Indian reasons for setting up a separate Board based in London regarding T.A bifls for Nuclear Power only (Newstime drawn for visiting senior officials of Air- " *4V2.8 5 );‘ • • _ T- India in London ;

'b) It should be noted that no fatali- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ties resulted from the Three Mile Island MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL incident. Reports by the concerned U.S. AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) ; authorities regarding the incident at (a) Yes, Sir. Three M.le Island have been received and ’ ^ i studied by the authorities in India. Besides, immediately after the Three (b) The allegations mentioned in the * Mile Island incident the Department of ‘ news item were investigated and it was Atomic Energy constituted a Committee found that there was no substance in to draw appropriate -lessons from the them, incident. These lessons have been applied in the design, construction and (c) and (d). Yes, &r. This question’ operation of nuclear power plants in was considered and taking all relevant India. factors into account it was decided to keep the identities of Hotel Corporation (c) The Department of Atomic Energy of India Ltd, and India Tourism Deve- participates in op?n discussions on lopment Corporation separate. nuclear safety and continues to make * . relevant information available to the public. Pakistan Efforts to Make Bomb

% Bungling In Centaur Hotel 1290. SHRI A.P. SETHI; Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 1289. SHRI SANAT KUMAR be pleased to state : MANDAL : Will the Minister of TOURISM AND CIVIL AVIATION be (a) whether Government are aware pleased to state : that United States of America has ex*, pressed its feeling that Pakistan has not (a) whether his attention has -been abandoned - its efforts to make the atom drawn to the news items appeared in the bomb and that any nuclear activity by the Hindustan Times, New Delhi dated fhe South Asian country would be counter- 1 Mh January, and 16th February, 1985 productive ; pointing out alleged financial bungling, misuse of materials, misuse of foreign ex- (b) whether it is a fact, that Mr. change and other irregularities in the Richard P. Cronin, an expert on South Centaur Hotel, Delhi. Asian Affairs, had recently visited India and expressed his views in this regard ; (b) if so, whether he got the matter investigated and fixed responsibility for (o) whether he has also said that U.S. the various irregularities pointed out Government had told Pakistan not to therein ; the outcome thereof and reme- make the bomb and instead depend oa dial measures taken ; Washington for its security ; and (c) whether Government had at any stage considered a proposal to bring the (d) if so, the details regarding his Centaur Hot

(b) if so, what are the details in this THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE * MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS regard ; and * (SHRI KHURSHEED ALAM KHAN) : (c) if not, what facilities were pro- • (a) In congressional t testimony on vided to States for development of trans- 28-2-1985, a representative of the U.S. port during all the Five Year Plans ? Administration had stated that the U.S. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE security assistance to Pakistan was de- MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI K.R. * signed to strengthen Pakistan’s confidence NARAYANAN) : fa) No, Sir. in its security, and thereby convince (M Does not arise, ~ ' Pakistani leaders that the nuclear option was neither necessary nor in Pakistan’s * (c) There are two Centrally sponsored broader interest. It was added that the programmes in the Transport Sector Administration have made clear to . under which financial assistance Is provid- Pakistan that a lack of restraint in the ed to States. These schemes are ii) the nuclear area would have a very serious development of roads/bridges of inter- and negative impact on U.S. ability to state and economic importance, and continue the programme of economic and (ii) development of inland water military assistance which commenccd transport,’ For mads/bridgc* of inter- * \ in 1981. ' Slate importance, Central financial assistance is provided to the extent of (b) to (cl) Mr. Richard P. Cronin, 100% of the original cost of the works. a specialist on South Asian Affairs with For Intra-State roais of economic, im- the Congressional Research Service visited portance 50 V pf the cost is provided as India from January *24 to February 14, Centnl financial assistance to Slates. 1985. According to newspaper reports For the development of inland water in India, Dr. Cronin expressed the view transport, 50% of the cost is given to the that Pakistan has not abandoned its effort States concerned for selected schemes J:o make a bomb and that any ntoclear under this programme. activity by that South Asian country The Centre also contributes to the would be counter-productive. The press capital of State Road Transport Corpora- reports state that Dr. Cronin had said tions under the Road Transport Corpora- that U.S. Government have told Pakistan tions Act. Presently, this contribution not to make the bomb and instead depend is 50% of the concerned State Govern- on Washington for its security. . ment’s construction. Development of Transport in States The Centre’s outlay/expenditure on

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12.01 hrs. also tabled a notice and asked the Speakec and the Speaker was good DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI (Sambal-, . enough to assure me on the floor of the pur) : Sir I have given a minimum of House that he will look into it. 8 call attention notices, The first is about the Akali agitatipn, second is MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; I will howlers in Lok Sabha and Assembly see, ’ polls, the third is the harassment of Tamils in Sri Lanka,... SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Doctor, (Hindupurj : I have given a call why can’t come to my Chamber attention notice in rcspect of the famine conditions prevailing in Rayalaseema and discuss ? where people are dying for want of waterf etc. I have given notice on Monday. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI : Then, So far it has not been taken up, * Sir, about piling up of arms by Pakistan, etc. But nothing is admitted. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I . will consider your request. MR, DEPUTY SPEAKER : 1 will consider it. 1 will refer them to the SHRIK.P. UNNIKRISHNAN *Bada- Business Advisory Committee and let gara) ; Ever since this session began you know... < Interruptions) Please we have been Liying (o move and I come to my Chamber. I will let you have moved a number of notices know. ' under different heads on the condition of Tamil refugees as well as SHRI SO BH ANA DREES WAR A RAO the Tamils in Sri Lanka. I am sure (Vijayawada) : I have given one you would agree with me that it is a notice. The Information and very serious matter...... BraudcMting Ministry has selected 30 to 40 films lo be exhibited outside our country in USA and France. Not MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Regar- a single film has been selected from the ding Sri Lanka matter I told you films produced in South India—Tamil, yesterday what action the Government Telugu, Kannada or Malayalam. This was taking... is rank discrimination shown against the South Indian film Industry. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN This is a critical thing. I will request -you to arrange for a discussion or call MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : If you attention, whatever it is, in your give any notice, I shall consider it. ■ discretion. *

SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bank- ura) ; In the teeth of stiff opposition . MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I will from experts and scientists of our country Government of Indian have decided to . SHRI K*P, UNNIKRISHNAN : It buy polysilicon technology from the US can no longer wait, That is my point. firm, Hemlock. I have given a caH attention notice. This will stifle indigenous technology, . MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I shall consider it. * MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I will SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER (Bang- find out and let you know. J will. alore South) : Regarding closure of consider the Member’s request, the Films Division in Bangalore and in West Bengal— Mr Indrajit Gupta raised it SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mehboob- the other day— the hon. Minister said nagar) : Achariaji referred to that. I that he will make a statement...... 205 Written Answers * CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Papers Laid 206

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : You MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Mr. give nolice. I will see. Rangarajan, I have already assured ihe House I hat 1 will consider it at eaily SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAIT as possible. , (Manjeri) : You are aware that we have moved an adjournment motion SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM : regarding the Ahmedabad riots but the Mr, Deputy Speaker, we want it quickly.- Speaker, in his wisdom, did not allow We do not want it next month, that. But, at the samp time, Prime • Minister had visited Ahme iabad, and SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY we are happy about it. We want a (Puri) : Sir, passengers travelling by discussion under Rule 193 on Ahmedabad Neclachal Express . and reaching here riols and that too, at the earliest possible yesterday have reported that Neelachal time. Express met with an accident near about Tata Nagar. Let the hon. Railway MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; I will Minister make a statement about it 4nd consider it. tell the House about the casualities also.

SHRI ABDUL RASHID KABULI : MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : You Sir, I have already given notice in regard to give notice and 1 shall consider it, Ahmedabad episode. We have demanded * (hat there should be discussion under (Interruptions)* * Rule 193. 11 is very important because the situation is sitil beyond control, MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER ; Nothing will go on record without my permission.- MR. DtPUTY SPEAKER : I have I shall consider your request. already said that I shall consider it,

SHRI PR. KUMARAMANGALAM (Salem) : Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, there 12.08 hr s. is a point which 1 would like to bring • * f to your notice that members of the Treasury beochcs should also have an [English] ‘ ' opportunity to speak once in a while, PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE (Interruptions') • 0 Air Corporations (Amendment) Rules, 1984 PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE -« (Rajapur) : You give notice of an • * « adjournment motion and you will ' be THE*MINISTER.OF STATE IN. THE allowed. MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL AVFATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT) : SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM ; I beg to Jdy on the Table Even during the Question Hour we raise our hand but no notice is taken. The* A copy of the Air Corporations (Amed- Sri Lankan issue is very important. As ment) Rules, J984 (Hindi and roy friend, Shri K,P. Unnikrishnan has English versions) published in said unfortunately it is being covered by Notification No. .S.O. 2542 in other issues. It is vbry serious. It is Gazetle of India dated the 4th August, 19,54 topeiher aiih an in a crisis state. Let* this . matter come• up tomorrow for discussion otherwise explanatory . *le, under sub sec- things may get out of our hands, and tion (3) of section 44 of the Air it may be too late for Parliament to Corporations Act, 1 953 [Placed discuss it. in Library. No. CT-593/85 ].

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Annual Accounts of Central Board-for published in Notification Prevention and Control of Water No. GSR 38(E) in Gazette Pollution, New Delhi for of India dated the 19th 19&3-84 January, 1985. •

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (iii) The Indian Forest Service MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT AND . (Appointment by Competi- FORESTS (SHRI BIR SEN) : I beg to tive Examination) Amend- lay on the Table ment Regulations, 1985 - • pu&lished in Notification A copy of the Annual Accounts (Hindi ' ‘ No, GSR 39(E) in Gazette . and English versions) of the Cen- ! of' India dated the 194h tral Board for the Prevention and January, 1985. . ^ Control of Water Pollution, New Delhi, for the year 1983-84 together with Audit Report there- (iv) GSR 144(E) published in Gazette of India dated the on, under sub-section (6) of 8th March, 19.85 contain- section 40 of (he Water (Preven- ing Corrigendum to Noti- tion and Control of Pollution) fication No. GSR 102(E) Act,* 1974. [Placed in Library. dated the 261h February, See No. LT-594/85J. 1985. [Placed in Library, See No. LT-595/85], Notifications under Xll India Services Act, 1951 and Statement for delay (2) A statement (Hindi and English in laying the Annual Report and versions) showing reasons for Audited Accounts of Salar Jung • delay in laying the 'Annual Re- Museum, Hyderabad for 1983-84 port and Audited Accounts of the Salar Jung Museum, Hydera- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE bad, for the year 1983-84, DEPARTMENTS OF PERSONNEL AND [Placcd in Library. See No. LT- ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS AND 596/85], - CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO) : I beg to lay on the Table * Annual Report ■ and Review jon the (1) A copy each of the following Working of Special Organising Com- Notifications (Hin8i and English mittee, IX Asian Games, New Delhi versions) under sub-seclion (2) of for 1983-84 and-Statement for delay section 3 of the All India Ser- in laying these papers. vices Act, 1951 :—

(i) The Indian Administrative THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Service (Appointment by DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH AFFAIRS Competitive Examination) AND SPORTS (SHRI R.K. JAICHAN- Amendment Regulations, DRA ; SINGH) ; I beg to lay on the 1985 published In Notifica- Table-— > tion No. GSR 37 (E) in * Gazette of India dated the (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Re- 19th January, 1 985. port (Hindi and English i versions) of the Special (ii) The Indian Police Service Organising Committee, IX ■ (Appointment by Competi- , Asian Games, New Delhi, tive Examination) Amend- for the year 1983-84 along , ment Regulations, * 1985 with Audited Accounts. i i >141 ■■ ♦The Annual Report and Audited Accounts were laid on the Table on the ■ 25th January, 1985, ' 209 Situation arising out of CHAITRA , 1907 (SAKA) armed tribal guerillas 210 reported violent activities of on non-tribal villagers in the hostile elements and attack by North-Eastern States (C.A.) ■ (ii) A statement (Hindi and House will now take up Calling Attention English versions) regarding motion. Review by the Government on the working of the Spe- SHRI A JOY BISWAS (Tripura West) ; cial, Organising Committee, IX Asian Games, New Delhi, Sir, I rise on a point of order telating to for the year 1983-84. Calling Attention. (Interruptions)

(2) A statement (Hindi and English MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I have versions) showing reasons for already said that the House will take ' up delay in laying the jpapers men- Calling Attention motion, - tioned at (1) above. [Placed in Library. See No. LT,-597/85]. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN (Bada- Notifications und6r Arms Act, 1959 gara) ; Sir, his point of order relates to this item of the agenda, namely, Calling THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Attention. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA); I beg to iay on the Table— MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : What is# your point of order ? ' '

A copy each of the following Notifica- t tions (H-ndi and English versions) SHRI AJOY BISWAS ; Sir, my point under sub-section (3) of section of order ralates to the language of this 44 of the Arms Act, 1959 ;— Calling Attention. I draw your attention to line 3 wherein it has . been said : (1) The Arms (Amendment) Rules, * ‘attack by armed tribal guerillas on the 1985 published in Notification non-tribal villagers.” Now, this is not . No. GSR 283(E) ita Gazette of proper. It has a communal approach. India dated the 18th March, 1 985. SHRI SOMNATH RATH (Aska) ; (2) G S.R, 673(E) ' published ,io Sir, is it a point of order ? Gazette of India dated the 19th September, 1984 making certain amendment to the Arms Rules, SHRI AJOY BISWAS ; Sir, give me 1962. [Placed in Library. See * two minutes and let me complete. In * ’No, LT-598/85J the north-eastern region there is a serious situation......

SHRI SOMNATH RATH : Sir, I rise on a point of order on the point of 12.08 hrs. . order raised by Hon. member on the [English] other side. Can he make a statement in the name of a point of order ? CALL ATTENTION TO MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC MR. DEP.UTY-SPEAKER ; IMPORTANCE . Ho fe not making a statement. Situation arising out of reported violent activities of hostile elements . (Interruptions) and attack by armed tribal guerillas * on non-tribal villagers in the North- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : I am Eastern States 4 not allowing any statement to ba re- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The corded. 211 Situation arising out o f MARCH 27, 1985 armed tribal guerillas 212 reported violent activities o f on non-tribal villagers in thp hostile elements and aitack by • North-Eastern States lC.A.) ■ * (Interruptions)** MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : There is no point of order. Please sit down. SHRI SOMNATH RATH : Generally only when a rule is infringed, point of Now, only Shri Dharam Pal Singh order can be raised. * Malik.—Calling Attention. • ' Mr, Deputy Speaker, will you please SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH ask the Hon. Member which rules is MALIK (Sonepat) : Sir, I call the atten- infringed ? ■ tion of the Minister of Home Affairs to ‘ the following matter of urgent public (Interruptions) importance and I request that he may make a statement thereon :— . SHRI AJOY BISWAS : I have already ■» * raised my point of order. “ The situation arising out of the SHRI AJOY BISWAS : The extre- • reported violent activities of mists in that region are creating hostile elements and attack by communal tension. We can very well have armed tribal gugrillas on non- a debate on extremists activities in N.E. tribal villagers in the North region. 1 Eastern States and the steps taken by the . Government in the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; The hon. - matter. Member has given notice. I cannot help it. . • THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFATRS Now, Shri Dharam Pal Singh Malik. (SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA) : Sir, the situation ‘in the North Eastern ■ All others may please sit down. ' - i region is generally unde4 control barring Nofbing will go on record. a few violent ^ incidents in Manipur and Tripura. There has. been some increase (Interruptions) * * in the violent activities of Tripura National Volunteers (TNV) in Tripura in SHRI AJOY BISWAS : What is the recent months.. National Socialist Council rulling ? ■ of Nagaland (NSCN) is another violent group indulging in violent incidents MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : You have during This year in Manipur and told us what you wanted to say. When Nagaland,' In the remaining States and the Minister replies he will answer it. ' Union Territories of the North Eastern Please sit down. .region, i.e. Assam, Mephalaya. Arunachal Pradesh, Mizoram, the situation is peace- (Interruptions). ful. ' * SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN 2. The TNV in. Tripura has killed ' (Cooch Behar) ; The main question is 24 persons in 19 incidents in the current regarding the armed tribal guerillas, year as against 72 incidents in which 64 persons were killed during 1984. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; I have* As the attacks of TNV ate mainly ruled it out’ There is no point of directed against non-tribals resulting in order. . the death of 18 non-tribah during the current year we have advised the. State SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN : This Government to take suitable - measures to subject should not come up in our 1 ensure that harmony prevails among national interest. I request you about different sections of people In the this. ■ I also fequest the Minister-. Let *it beginning of this year,’ i.e. on 8lh be changed. r January the TNV killed ( 6 non-tribal -' “" ' i 9 ■ . ** Not recoided. - 213 Situation arising out of CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) armed tribal guerillas 214 reported violent activities of on non-tribal villagers in the hostile elements and attack by North-Eastern States (C.A.) m labourers in North Tripura. In another available with the State Government of major incident which occurred on i9th/ Trip\ira. The recommendations of the 20th March, 19&5, 7 non-tribals of Study Team regarding deployment are Village Chhetrai under police station being implemented on the ground. A K-'imalpur, North Tripura had gone for . belt in Tripura-Mizoram border has been fishing. T h e / did not return till 20th declared as ‘ "disturbed area” since March and were reported missing.- September 1982 and Army inducted in Following a search by the police, four this area. ’The incidents of violence dead bodies were traced on the 20th reported from this area are negligible. March and three more dead bodies were recovered in the morning of 21st March . 4. Manipur has already been declared from a jungle near Sakrail under ' PS , as disturbed area under the Armed Kamalpur, North Tripur^. These seven Forces (Special Powers) Act, 1958 and persons are suspected to have been killed * the Army, has been inducted in aid of by the TNV extremists'. The NSCN civil power to deal with the situation. _ extremists have been responsible for two The extremist organisations operating in violent incidents in Manipur this year. Manipur valley namely the Peoples In a majnr incident on 18th February, Liberation Army and other Meitei orga- 13 security force personnel and a circle * nisations have been declared ‘unlawful officer of the Village Volunteers Force associations’. The activities of-these orga- were killed in an armbush in Ukhrul nisations are on a low key. District. However, in Nagaland there has been only two violent incidents in the' 5. Government is keen that .the " current year. Following a raid on a hide sensitive North Eastern region should be out of NSCN undergrounds in a village free from violent activities. With this about 6 Kms away from Dimapur on end in view Government have already the 22nd/23rd February 1985 the police initiated a dialogue with MNF leader party was fired upon by NSCN under- Shri LaJdenga who has agreed to abide grounds and in the resultant exchange by the two conditions laid -down by the of fire three NSCN extremists including late Prime Minister namely cession of ‘Self Styled’ Lt. Col. Ihoshe Sema, an hostilities and a solution to the Mizo important functionery of NSCN was also problem within the parameters of the killed. A havaldar of Nagaland Police Indian Constitution. An understanding was however killed in tHe encounter. has been reached with MNF that it will The Nagaland Police recovered from the not assist/extend any help to TNV and hideout 4 carbines and more than 230 other extremist organisations during the empty cases of pistols and carbines round currency of talks. Government is also keen besides some documents which, amorig on creating confidence among the tribals other things, revealed the involvement of in general and meeting their aspirations. NSCN in three bank robberies which One of the major steps in this direction had taken place in Nagaland since is the extension of the provisions of the September, 1984. - * . Sixth Schedule to the Constitution to Tripura with a view to giving greater 3 * The Government is closely moni- autonomy in the day to day administra- toring the situation in the North Eastern tion of tribal areas. Government have region. In Tripura the strength of para recently notified that the Act extending military forces has been augmented . the Sixth Schedule will come into force recently. The State Government have from 1st April, 1985. The socio-economic been advised to use the CRPF strictly for development of the region is also receiv- counter insurgency operationst Security ing due attention. The States in the on border with Chittagong Hill Tracts North Eastern region are treated as * has been tightened and the number of special category States. The North Border Out Posts has been increased in Eastern Council set up to ensure integ- the Tripura Sector, A Study Team was rated economic development of North sent to Tripura in September 1984 to Eastern region has been doing useful study the insurgency, operations and to work by funding various development suggest effective deployment of forces schemes, * 215 Situation arising out o f MARCH 27, 1 985 armed tribal guerillas 216 reported violent activities o f on non-tribal villagers in the hostile elements and attack by North-Eastern States (C.A.) SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA : MALIK : Sir, the hon. Minister has No information about this. said in her Statement that the Tribal National. Volunteer Extremists cowardly SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK killed seven non-tribal innocent persons (Cuttack) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, problems on the 19th March 1985 and this is the specially pertaining to violence in the nineteenth such incident in the last six ' North Eastern region have been persisting months in which 24 persons in all have * for many years. We are glad that the been killed. In this way the matter is Minister has stated that various steps of a very serious concern. May I know have been taken by Government to pre- from the hon. Minister if there is any vent these incidents. Actually, in some foreign hand in such activities by the form or the other violence erupts quite miscreants ? If so, I would like to know ofteti in this area, and we are always the names of the countries or missiona- very much apprehensive of the activities ries indulging in such activities and their of the extremists. But Government must motive behind preparing such forces in see that ethnic balance is preserved at all the Border States. What action has been costs. taken by the Government to prevent such incidents in future so that the threat to the national unity is removed ? * The Minister has stated that on the 19/20th March, 1985, some non-tribals SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA : had gone for fishing and afterwards their As regards involvement of any foreign dead bodies were recovered. Besides hand, the Ministry of External Affairs this, there have been so many incidents. have stated that so far as the Bangladesh Even in December last an attempt was is concerned, they have some reports of made on the life of Chief Minister, arms and ammunition handed over to Manipur. I just wanted to know if our MNF and TNV by Banlad-sh Govern- intelligence is working to find out the ment. The report could not be con- real details of this incident of 19/20th firmed. However, there appears to be March this year in which seven non- definite evidence that small groups of tribals were killed. Has our intelligence TNV activists have received training in smell anything out of this incident ? A MNF camps under the supervision of Study team was sent to Tripura in Sep- Bangladesh army instructions. tember, 1984. Was any Study Team sent this time also to find out ths facts and suggest various measures as they Government of India had taken up the used to do in the past ? matter with Bangladesh Government repeatedly including at the highest level. The tripura-Mizoram border has The Bangladesh High Commissioners in New Delhi was called by Foreign Secre- been declared as a distributed area since September, 1982. I would like tary on the 2nd August, 1984 lo protest to know, whether the Government is about TNV operating from- within the going to extend the Disturbed Areas Act CHT in Bangladesh. The Bangladesh Additional Foreign Secretary soon there- to any other areas also. I would like to know whether this is purely a law and after called our High Commissioner in Dhaka to convey that Bangladesh was not order problem, or a political one. It is giving any assistance or help of any kind a law and order problem, can we have permanently the army or para-military to the TNV. He said that Bangladesh Government looked into the matter raised personnel deployed ? Or, if there is any by the Foreign Secretary and that he political problem, what hre the steps being wished to convey the assurance from taken to deal with it ? ' Bangladesh Government that Bangladesh was not giving any other kind of assis- SHRIM \TI RAM DULARI SINHA : tance‘to TNV. - I have already state’d that in respect of these problems, various steps have been SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH taken by the Government. About the MALIK : What about missionaries ? development of para-military forces also, 217 Situation arising out o f CHAITRA. 6, 1907 (SAKA") armed tribal guerillas 218 reported violent activities of on non-tribal villagers in the hostile elements and attack by , North-Eastern States (C.A.) I have dealt in my previous statement in Chief Minister of Tripura is not agreeable detail. to that. He has said that this will not solve Ihe problem; there should be some Af far as the Study Team to Tripura political solution to this problerrt. So, is concerned, the hon, lady Member at this stage, there is no proposal to should know that a Study Team was sent declare any part of it as disturbed. to Tripura in September 1984, to study the insurgency situation and suggest elfi-c- SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIIC : tive deployment of the forces available Is this a purely law and order problem, with the Government of Tripura. The or a political problem ? recommendations of the Study Team regarding deployment are being implemented on the ground by BSF, CRPF SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA : and the State police. The hon. lady Member can very well understand it. As per the recommendations of the Committee for border fencing and strengh- [Translation] thening border measures which have been SHRI ZAINUL BASHER (Ghazipur) : accepted by the Government, the number Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it has been of outposts has been increased to 107 stated by the hon. Minister in her state- at the rate of one Border Out-Post for - ment that there is peace in Assam, Meg- every 8 Kms. The length of the border halaya, Arunachal Pradesh and Mizoram, in Tripura sector is 861 Kms. but sporadic incident of violence are taking place in Tripura, Nagaland and Manipur. The Central Government have been It is a matter of . satisfaction that only closely monitoring the situation in Tri- three States in the North Eastern Region pura, and they have taken the following are experiencing violent incidents From steps to meet the insurgency situation ; time to time we learn through newspaper reports about the killing of some Last year initially for the border secu- persons. Incidents continue to take pi cc rity duties, six battalions of BSF were and of the two organisations which h^ve deployed on Bangladesh border in Tripura been mentioned by the Minister in the sector. Taking into consideration the Connection, the Tripura National Volun- request of the CM, Tripura and the situa- teers is active in Tripura and which the tion in Tripura, an additional battalion National Socialist Council of Nagaland is was made available'for border security active in Manipur and Nagaland. What duties and for preventing infiltration and do these two organisations want ? I exfiltiration of extremists. Security on would like to know from the Government border with QHT has been strengthened, whether they have ever tried to hold as the extremists are using various routes "talks with them to ascertain their de- on this border to infiltrate into Tripura. mands ? So far as the entire North Eastern Region is concerned, a political The CRP forces were also suitabJy solution must be found out. It should, augmented for undertaking counter-in- not be treated as merely a law and order surgency operations. In February 1985, problem. Government had taken -steps an additional battalion of CRP has been earlier also for finding a political solution sent to Tripura. This battaljon will be and even now they are taking steps in trained in Tripura in counter-insurgency this direction. Government is holding operations, and to stop assistance to talks with the Mizoram leader, Mr. Lai TNV. * Denga, who is here in Delhi. I would like to know from the hon. Minister the As regards its declaration as a disturb- stage which these talks have reachrd. ed area as desired by the hon. Member, Why do you not hold talks with similar I have already stated that the whole of organisations in other States also as is Manipur has been declared as a dis- being, done with Mr. Lai Denga in turbed area. But as regards Tripura, the Mizoram ? 219 Situation arising out of MARCH 2 7, 1985 armed tribal guerillas 220 reported violent activities of * on non-tribal villagers in the hostile elements and attack by Nonh-Eastern States (C.A.)' . [Shri Zainul Basher] • Govarn.Tient are taking steps in this direc- Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is a tion. The development of North-Eastern great difficulty before the Government and * States is-being dorie on a priority basis we are all aware of it. Whenever Govern- - and developmental works have already ment initiate talks with an organisation been undertaken there, and I hope the and that organisation also responds, diffe- economy of these States would improve rences crop up within that very organisa- •considerable. Their complaints about tion, resulting in a split. The breakaway economic backwardness will be removed section resorts to violent activities to create after.some time, I would1 also like to hurdle in talks. But we should not get know whether any initiative has been, disappointed by that. Talks should . taken to hold talks with the organisations be continued. Violent activities should functioning in Tripura, Manipur and be suppressed with an iron hand 'and on Nagaland. Are they prepared to hold the other hand it would be better if an talks ? Are they ready to hold talks agrpement is reached within the frame- with other organisations also 7 At what work of thj Constitution of Iudia and level are talks being held with Mr, Lai without affecting the unity and integrity Denga ? Will the details and the stage of the country. . of thess talks be revealed to the House and the country and, if so, when ? The I would like to give one more sugges- l(ves of the people who go to the North- tion that the North-Eastera States and Eastern States from other parts of the the other States in the rest of the country country to work on different projects or should be brought closer together. There to undertake the job of teachers are not is no need to keep them isolated. The secure. Have you ‘made some special North-Eastern Stales are very beautiful. arrangements for them ? If not, what There arc a number of tourist spots there. are the special arrangements proposed to If these tourist spots are developed and be made by you to that effect ? We people in large numbers from other parts_ receive letters from them with the request of the country visit them "and stay that they be withdrawn from there as their there, it would be possible to bring about lives are in danger there. I would like emotional integration between these areas to know what arrangements are pro- and the other parts of the country Simi- posed to be made by you for them, larly, people from that area should be taken in groups to the other parts of the SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA : country There should be exchange of So far as the question of removal of cultural activities. Government should backwardness of the North-Eastern Re- endeavour to establish better relations bet- gion is concerned, the hon„ Member has ween the people of the North-Eastern States himself accepted that d-velopmental and the people in the other parts of the works are taking place there on a priority country so that they could come closer to- basis and we are quite vigilant in this gether and also be able to mix more and regard. So far as the question of provid- more with one another. It would, create * ing security to the persons going there greater awareness amongst them, -It would from the other States is concerned, it is be helpful in isolating the extremists who engaging our attention. Arrangements are very few in number. As most of the have been made to provide full protec- people of that region are peace-loving tion to them. If the hon. Member brings people, they would not help them in ' to our notice any specific case, imme- their activities but would rather condemn diate arrangements will be made for their them. I would like to know whether the security. So far as the question of Government of India propose to take any holding talks with Mr. Lai Denga is con- step, as I have suggested, to bring the „ cerned, the talks with him are in progress people of the North-Eastern States and and I would not like to disclose here the the people in the other states ? Closer details of these talks till these are com- 4 together, so that there could be more & pleted. > The next round of talks is due more (culiural) exchanges between them. and the same is going to be held in the second week of April. As regards the So far as development is concerned, question of having talks with other ex- 221 Situation arising out of CHAITRA 6„ 1907 (SAKA) armed tribal guerillas 222 reported violent 'activities of .. on non-tribal villagers in the hostile elements and attack by North-Eastern States (C.A.) tremists groups I would like to tell the see. that these hide-outs are destroyed ? hon. Member. I know that we are going to have some sort of a new policy which i§ called [English] neighbourhood diplomacy of the Ministry of External Affairs. We want to have The question of having talks with other good relations with our neighbours. But extremists does not arise at this stage un- ' as a good neighbour, why is the Bum ese less they stop violence and accept the Government not able to help us in ciush- Indian Constitution ing the*e insurgency activities qcross the border ? [Translation] - * , , Talks with Mr. Lai Denga are in pro- [Translation] ' gress within the framework of the Con- SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA : stitution, " Sir, after getting training from Burma side they enter Nagaland. 'I had told you SHRI ZAINUL BASHER : , What that the Government were vigilant and. steps are you taking to strengthen the re- several steps has been taken to seal the lations between the people of these States border. So far as the question of main- and the peole ip the rest of India ? * taining friendly relations with the neighbouring country Burma is concerned, we SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA : are trying our best to maintain such All possible efforts are being made to relations with them and we have written strengthen the relations. The Minister of to the Burmese Government also in this Tourisn^ is not present here, Your sug- regard. gestions will be forwarded to him, Do not think that those people arc secluded. This [English] • * ■ . North-East Region is a beautiful part of India. Its culture and heritage is unique. SHRIC. MVDHAV REDDl': Mast We are proud of this region. Mutual of the employees who go to the North visits are taking place coptinuously. Every East Frontier Agency are from Somh effort is being made to establish peace in India as North Indians do.not go there at all. I would like to know what that region. * ■* * * measures are being taken to see that these employees and workers who go [English] : there for \vork, are protected. . SHRI* C. MADHAV REDDI (Adila- * bad) ; I do not want to look at this SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA ; as problem between tribals and non- All possible steps have been and will be tribals. I look at it as only an insur- taken, to protect them. gency problem. And it should be treated that way. Secondly, I want to draw the attention of the Minister to the reports [Translation] that we have been getting recently that •SHRI LALTT MAKEN (South Delhi) ; the ONGC operations there are going to M r’ - Deputy Speaker, Sir* it is a very be affected as the Students Federation of serious matter and the noteworthy point Nagaland has given an ultimatum that is that these agitations are being organis- they should pack up. I want to know ed in our border States only, i.e., Assam, the steps that have been taken by the Tripura, Mizoram, Naizaland and Punjab. Government to see that the drilling ope- I referred to border States, been use in my rations there are not affected because of f view the foreign powers have selected the insurgency activities in that part These border States intentionally so as to insurgency activities go on because -of encourage agitations and activities of their hide-outs across the borders in the sabotage in order to weaken our country Burmese territory. This being so, what from within and to endanger national action is being taken by the Government integrity In all our border States you to talk to the Burmese Government and will see one thing in common. This has * 223 Situation arising out of MARCH 27, 1985 armed tribal guerillas 224 reported violent activities of on non-tribal villagers in the hostile elements and attack by North-Eastern States (C.A\) [Shri La lit Makcn] people have also been killed. Last year been mentioned in the Calling Attention 64 persons were killed and during the Motion also that the tribals are attacking last 3 months of the current year 24 per- the non-tribals. In these States, out- sons have been killed. According to this siders are being made the target. The ratio, 96 persons will be killed during the local people are making the people of the current year. This ratio is higher as com- other States their targit. Agitations are' pared to last year. organised against them and conditions are created against them. I feel it is a se- I would like to know from the hon. rious challenge to the integrity of the Minister whether Mr. Lai Denga has any country. Foreign powers are behind all control over the situation there, because, these activities, who want to weaicen our in spite of therfact that our Government country in this manner. is having talks with him, people are being killed there. Besides, you will notice one thing more' in these States.- An atmosphere against Even if any agreement is reached with the Indian Constitution and against the him after the talks, the moot point is integrity of the country is being created whether the problem will be solved or and agitations are being organised to not. ‘ meet this very end. There is no doubt that the people of these States have It has been mentioned in the statement certain problems such as economic back- that Mr. Lai Denga agreed to abide by wardness. etc., but it is also a fact that two conditions, namely the cessation of foreign powers are taking advantage of hostilities and solution of the problem all these things. An atmosphere is being within the parameters of the Indian Con- created there so that the people there stitution. I is a good thing and we may rise in revolt, they may refuse to " appreciate it. In this context, I would . accept the constitution of our country like to know for what purpose the amount and they may raise there voice to drive of Rs. 50 lakhs has been collected for- out the people of the other States. Just cibly. For what purpose will it be now, mention was made about foreign utilised? Will it be utilised to purchase countries, particulary Bangla Desh and arms for killing people? I would like to Burma. It was reported in the news- know whether it is correct that this papers about two or four days back that amount has been collected.* l500 persons had been recruited and not only T.N.V, but also the name of the [Translation] - leader of the Mizo National Front, with SMT. RAM DULARI SINHA ; Sir, whom talks are being held, has been during the course of talks with mentioned therein, Out of these 1500 Mr. Lai Denga, this point was also persons, 400 persons have been sent to raised and he has instructed them that Burma for'training so that after training donations should also not be collected. they could attack and butcher the people in the North Eastern States. So far as the news-item referred to by you is concerned — It has also been reported in the Press [£>ig/i.y/r] that the Mizo National Front has forcibly collected an amount of Rs. 50 lakhs from According to a news item from Agar- the local businessmen and employees and, tala which appeared in the ‘Time of similarly. T.N.V. has also collected Rs. India* dated 25th March, 1985, security 31' lakhs. officials are apprehensive of fresh onslaughts by Mizo National Front and It has just been stated that talks are TNV elements as both the underground being held with Mr. Lai Denga in Delhi. organisations have intensified their tax The moot point is that talks with Mr. collection drive apparently to bolster up Lai Denga have been going on for the their financial resources for purchase of last many years and during this period arms from international rackets. The 225 Matters Under CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) - Matters Under 226 Rule 37 7 * ’ * Rule 377 news-item states that the underground addiction continue to be a serious pro- MNF have collected ‘taxes’ .to the tune blem. Of late, it has taken Increasingly of Rs. 50 lakhs in the past seven jnonths dangerous proportions in Delhi, parti- * from the areas in South and West cularly in Chandni Chowk, Pahar Ganj Mizoram since the talks with Shri and other areas. The situation has been Laldenga started. TNV activities are also ■ aggravated by production of a new reported to have raised Rs. 25 lakhs psychotiopic substance known as SMIKE. from private contractors, businessmen in Tripura in the past four months. The above news-item .seems to * be highly exaggerated.- According to available Sir, it is said that of all the types of reports, the MNF have collected ‘dona- dri gs, namely, opiate, cocaine, cannabis tions’- (not ‘taxes’ | to the tune of Rs. 11 and psychotropic substances, the SMIKE lakhs since the talks started in November, is the most deadly drug. According' to 1984, Regarding TNV’s collection, well-informed opinion, addition to this information available with us shows - that drug immediately affects the mental facul- they have collected Rs. I lakh only. ties, thus leaving the body dead within The news item #lso refers to the TNV a short time. r v squads slipping in through the untenanted % ’ stretch. I can say/his much.” They were since instructed that the donations should 12.52 hrs. also not be collected. [Translation] As I have already stated, talks will be [Shri Somnath Rath in the Chair] resumed in the second week of April. SHRI LALIT MAKEN : I am referring to the earlier period when in spite of The situation in Delhi has already talks with Mr. Lai Denga, violent acti- reached alarming heights and calls for vities were talking place, and people were immediate action, particularly because being killed, During the last 3 months this ‘disease’ has spread more amongst 24 persons have been killed. I would tha student community. Apart from these again like to know whether the situation problems arising out of the present there is under the control of Mr. Lai situation, the problem of illicit traffic in Denga or not, this drug, particularly in the areas of SHRIMATI RAM DULARI SINHA : Chandni Chowk and Paharganj in Delhi I have already said that there are a calls for immediate attention, because number of groups which are operating illicit traffic serves as a channel, connect- there. One is the Mizo National Front, ing production with demand. Illicit traffic the other is T.N.V. and then there is in drugs involves the link between illicit the People’s Liberation Army. Some demand and illicit supply. Its organisers, in most cases, do not themselves handle of them are banned and the: others are• * engaged in their activities. the drugs, but provide finance and direct the operations. It is particularly this [English] aspect of the problem that requires a But I can say that there is no violence ^deeper probe, may be by the Central in Mizoram now-a-days. Rather now-a- Bureau of Investigation, days. Mizoram is peaceful.

MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 [Translation] ' [English] * . • (ii) Need to open a T.V. relay centre 1 at Bidar (Karnataka) - (i) Increasing use of narcotic* drugs In Delhi especially by students

SHRI JAI PARKASH AGARWAL SHRI NARSINGRAO SURYAWA- (Chandni Chowk) : Drug-abuse and drug NSHI (Bidar) ; Sir, Bidar district is 227 Matters Under MARCH 27, 1985 Matters Under 228 Rule 377 Rule 377 [Shri Narsingrao Suryawanshi] an important item in the 20-point pro- about 750 kms away from Bangalore, the gramme. But the Centre does not have capital of Karnataka. It borders touch an effective scheme to strengthen the Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh, There system except distributing certain copimo- are no T.V. facilities available in Bidar. dities at controlled prices. The State The T.V. relay centre at Gulbarga is of Civil Supply Corporations are an integral no use for Bidar. Despite 6eing in the • part of the public distribution system, list of ‘No Industries’ districts, Bidar is but the responsibility for streng- the most backward district of Karnataka thening it has fallen entirely on the State It was hoped that the provision of a Governments. While subsidy is given T.V. relay centre would benefit the to Central agencies like FCI, STC etc., undeveloped district in every respect ; no such assistance is being given to the the farmers, the students, and women „State Civil Supplies corporations by the would all have a medium for their educa- Centre. tion. The information received from the Ministry concerned reveals that there is The Kerala Civil Supplies Corporation no hope of the setting up of a T.V. relay is storing the commodities in rented go- centre in the coming few days. downs in the headquarters of all districts ' * _ and Talukas. It requires Rs. 10 crores Si^ through you, the Ministry of * to construct godowns intall Taluk head- Information and Broadcasting is request- quarters of the State. Similarly, trans- ed to provide the facility of a T.V. . portation of these commodities would relay centre in this district in 1 985 on a require an amount of Rs. 1 /- crore. priority basis for the benefit of the people Ap^rt from these, for effective monitoring of this district, ' Tan amount of Rs. 50/- lakhs is required. Thus, these three schemes require an in- (iii) Need to issue a stamp on vestment of Rs. 12/- crores. These Chittorgarh Fort schemes are very essential for the effective PROF. NIRMALA KUMAR I SHAK- functioning of the public distribution TAWAt (Chittorgarh) : Under Rule 377, system in Kerala. I would like to draw the attention of the Ministry of Communications to an impor- Therefore, I would request the Cenlre tant matter. You have issued postal to provide the necessary assistance to the stamps in respect of several old forts and * State Civil 'Supplies Corporation im- historical sites. Chittorgarh Fort is also mediately, a historical place where many brave men and women sacrificed their lives for the ' sake of their motherland and left behind * (v) Need to provide financial assi- a saga 6f loyalty and bravery. So, a stance for the construction of postal stamp in respect of this famous Obra-Ghorawal road, U.P. in Chittorgarh Fort must be issued. The the Seventh Plan - postal stamp should be of the denomina- tion of 50 Paise, so that even the SHRI RAM 'PYARE PANIKA (R o - common man could know about it. Such bertsganj) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, U.P. a step will further enhance the importance Government have requested the Central of this Fort from the historical as well as Government to provide funds on priority tourist point of view. basis for the construction of Anapara,

9 Obra-Ghorawal road with a view to link (Iv) Financial assistance to construct the largely tribal inhabited areas of * godowns in Kerala for proper District Mirzapur and to provide the in- storage and distribution of essen- frastructure for industrial development ( tial cothmodities, in this district This road on the one hand will link many Central projects such ♦SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN as the Singrauli Coal Fields, Shaktinagar, (Patghat) : Public distribution system is Vindhyachai, Riband, Anapara and Obra

* The specch was originally delivered in'Malayalam. 229 Matters Under CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Matters Under 230 Rule 377 Rule 377 Power Stations and on the other hand it It is requested that two TV relay sta- will provide a short cut to Allahabad, In tions of appropriate capacity be erected the absence of this road, a considerable in these two districts at the earliest, amount is spent because of the remoteness b of the Central and State Projects. Be- 13.00 hrs. desides, this road will link those villages which are predominantly tribal and eco- (vii) Need for a uniform power tariff nomically and socially backward. . ' for the entire country.

I, therefore, would like to draw the SHRI S.M. BHATTAM (Visakha- attention qf the Union Minister of Ship- patnam) : The Government have not so ping and Transport to this important road far implemented the recommendations of and request that necessary funds may be the Rajadhyaksha Committee for a uni- sanctioned for it during the Seventh Five form povyer tariff for the entire country Year Plan. for the energy being supplied from the Central stations irrespective of whether (vi) Erecting of a new T.V. tower they are conventional, coal-based thermal and providing ENG Equipments stations or hydro-stations or nuclear sta- for Panaji Relay Station tions. .The National Thermal Power Corporation contrary to the recommendations of the Rajadhyaksha Committee, [English] ' initiated proposals for entering into diffe- SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji) : ‘ rent agreements with different tariffs for In the Union Territory of Goa, Daman different regions which will be dis- and Diu, Panaji has a TV transmitter of criminatory in nature because of. which 10 k.w. However, due to insufficient Andhra Pradesh stands to suffer. The he ght of the present TV tower, only 1 k.w. central stations and the associated grid capacity of the. transmitter is being lines are being set up with the resources utilised. The work of erecting anew that belong to the entire country and not tower has recently begun. contributed by any particular region or State. No discrimination should, therefore, be attempted in regard to the sale It is prayed that the work of erection of power from these stations to a region of the new tower, be expedited with spe- or regions. The intention of a single cific and strict instructions to the con- tariff is to see that no discrimination is tractor concerned. involved between one State 1 and another * . irrespective of where the power station Secondly, it-is a .well-known fact that is situated in the region. The concept of G oa has its own art and culture. Even a uniform tariff for the entire country will also ensure that the thermal stations Pandit Jawaharlal#» Nehru had laid stress on preserving the same. In this regard, in particular are not located haphazardly I would like to request the hOn. Minister all over the country, but are confined to for Information and Broadcasting to see locations where it would be most econo- to it that ENG equipments with edit and mical to set up power stations and trans- play-back facilities arc provided to the fer predetermined blocks of power to the Panaji Relay Stafion to enable them to individual States. The above propo. produce programmes, to start withtj of sals need to be implemented imme- small duration, using local talent. diately.

[Translation] Thirdly, Daman and Diu, the two dis- (viii) Mismanagement in Gaya Cotton tricts of the Union Territory, which lie and Jute Mills under NTC In far away from Goa pistrict, on the West * Gaya, Bihar Coast of Gujarat, are not covered by any of the transmitters, recently installed SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD in the country. * SINGH : Mr, Chairman> Sir, the Gaya 231 Matters Under . MARCH 27, 1985 Report of National 232 Rule 37 7 .• Transport Policy Committee [Shri Ramashray Prasad Singh] immediately from the pooled depots, Cotton and Jute Mills in the Gaya district purchase the coffee produced by the of Bihar is being run ,by N.T.C. This growers' and take, necessary sipps for Cotton and Jute , Mill , is almost on the providing additional godown facilities brink of closure. The Mill has been wherever necessary in the district of running at loss for'years together. 400 „ Idukki. * workers of this Mill h ive constantly been urging the management of the Mill to Also as coffee cultivation is jnot pro- develop it and increase the production. fitable in the present context of high They have constantly been urging the costs of cultivation, I request that the management to make available the raw minimum release price of coffee may be Material and replace the obsolete machi- ' enhanced and the excise duty on coffee nery. The workers who insist upon the may be lifted. ; aforesaid 'improvements are retrenched. *• . ■ 1 The condition of the Mill is so bad . that the workers have not been paid their salary for as many as four months, with 13.t-4 Iirs. the result that the children of the workers are suffering from malnutrition as* well as REPORT OF NATIONAL lack of education. - TRANSPORT POLICY CO M MITTEE— Con td. Government should take appropriate action and have the Mill run properly. [English] MR, CHAIRMAN : Now, hon. Minis- [English] , ter, Shri Z.R. Ansari may continue his speech. (ix) Directions to Coffee Board to purchase Coffee from producers of Idukki and to provide godown facilities at Idukki . THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND ; PROF. P.J. KURiEN (Idukki) : Sir, TRANSPORT (SHRI Z.R. ANSARI) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, this is a partly-heard I raise* the following mattert of public importance to draw the attention of the speech. Minister of Commerce. In my constituency, Idukki, there are a large number of The other day while taking part in* (he coffee growers who own small holdings. debate on the Report of the Naiinnnl In fact, a major chunk pf coffee pro- Transport Policy Committee, I just had duced in Kerala is from Idukki District. time to meet a few questions which have Coffee produced by growers is ^collected been raised by hon Member regarding by the Coffee Board through their agents. the port sector. With ; regard to port The collection season is from January to sector there is only orie point which I March. This year the collecting agents just want to clarify regarding minor ports. are not able to purchase the coffce from The management of minor and inter- growers on account of the fact that the mediate ports is the responsibility of the coffee already purchased by these agents State Governments, The upkeeping and have not been lifted by the Coffee Board. improvement of the minor poits and Sufficient transportation arrangements are their development is under the control of also not provided by : Coffee Board for • the State Governments But the Working lifting coffee from pooled depots to main Group on Ports set up by the Planning storage depots. This is a period of Commission for the Seventh Five Year repayment of' loans to the cooperatives Plan has recommended a scheme to and other banks and the farmers are in provide Central assistance to the States a predicament They are not able to for the development of n^inor and inter- sell their yield. I want the hon. Minister mediate ports. Now, those recommenda- to pay his immediate attention to this tions are incorporated in the Seventh matter I request him to direct the Ccffee Five Year Plan.. The implementation of Board to take urgent steps to lift coffee ' the recommendation, namely the quantuoj 233 Report of National CHAITRA 6, 1 907 (SAKA) Transport Policy Committee 234

of central assistance to be given from the Now, if you divide it into three* Centre to the State Governments for the ■ stretches, one stretch is.between Haldia development of minor and intermediate and Farakka. The scheme for providing ports under the scheme would involve ' infrastructure facilities has been sanc- Rs. 100 crores. Then, we will certainly tioned by the Government and it is under take care of those minor and interme- implementation. The scheme includes diate ports and give assitance to those : river conservation works and channel ports. markings. The CIWTC has already • started running river services on this As far as the inland water transport' stretch. sector is concerned, this august House * * is very much aware that the Government As regards the second stretch between of India, in pursuance of accepting the Farakka and Patna, a scheme costing recommendations of the National Trans- Rs. 390 lakhs covering this, stietch has port Policy Committee, has declared one already been approved only recently and water-way as national waier-way and an the work will begin very shortly. Act* to this effect has been passed by Parliament. And on commissioning of Farakka lock-gate, the notification will Regarding the third stretch between be issued, Now, 10 river systems and Patna and Allahabad, it requires some canal systems have been identified for further indepth studies and some more taking up as national water-ways, one ' measures to be taken for the introduction after the ■ other. In the Seventh Five * of river service. FOr this stretch, a pilot Year Plan, the Working Group has ' project lias been approved at a cost of recommended 5 such systems to be Rs, 10 crores with the Dutch assistance. taken up and declared as national water- Rs. 4 crores is the component of Dutch ways. m assistance and Rs. 6 crores is our confri- f bution. This scheme includes procure- Hon. Member, Shri S. Krishna Kumar ment of survey vessels, raising units, has raised a question regarding West surveying instruments, barges and train- £oast Canal to be developed as national ing. water-way. I may just inform the House and through you the non. Member that Some hon. Member also raised the the West Coast Canal system from - matter of inland water transport on the Cochine to Quilon is one of those Narmada river. I may inform the hon. systems which have been identified by Member that the feasibility report for the Working Group to be included in • the development of that stretch between the Seventh Five Year Plan. The deve- Hoshangabad and the sea. for carrying lopment in the sector of inland water bulk commodities like coal is* under study. transport has been very fast during this This scheme is also being assisted by the Plan period. In the First Five Year Plan, • * Dutch exports. ■ . there was no allocation for the inland water transport. In the Second Five Ycai There was a question raised regarding Plan, there was an allocation of*Rs, 143 the Inland Waterways Authority of India. lakhs. In the Third Five Year Plan, Since we are going to take up inland there was an allocation of Rs. 760 lakhs. water transport in a big way as an In the Fourth Five Year Plan, there was alternative to our other modes of trans- an allocation of Rs. 900 lakhs and in port which is for bulk transportation the Fifth Plan, it was, Rs.*2,4^2 lakhs. In which is much cheapcr, which is pollution the Sixth Plan period, the- allocation was free and which requires lesser power, the Rs. 4,500 lakhs. , National Transport Policy Committee has recommended the establishment of Inland * . 1*3 1 The.first National water-way which we Waterways Authority of India As far have declared is < Ganga-Honghly-Bhapi- as we are concerned, we have accepted ^ v rati river system from Allahabad to this recommendation. The Commitee has Haldia. This portion has been'declared also recommended it in principle and^ a as national water-way. draff legislation for setting up the 235 Report of National MARCH 27, 1985 Transport Policy Committee 236

[Shri Z.R. Ansari] , our commuters. A p^posal for ETB Authority has been prepared. ■ It is under system as recommended by National finalisation i>i consultation with the Transport Policy Committee from Sahdara Ministry of Law. * to Janakpuri is under consideration and feasibility study for M-Bahn system I just want to add that for the Inland in Delhi is being prepared. It 'is a new Water Transport Corporation' a scheme system which will ease the problem of has already been sanctioned for acquisi- Delhi’s commuters. Feasibility studies tion of 50 vessels. This scheme was of this system for Srinagar and Trivand- intended to augment the one-way carry- rum have already been done. ing capacity of the Corporation from 2.04 lakhs tonnes to 5.80 lakh tonnes. The NTPC has very strongly recom- With the growing awareness of enor- mended the replacement of the present mous advantages of 1WT, particularly for Act by a coherent legislation for prono- the movement of bulk cargo, the demand ting adequate and efficient road transport. for the movement of cargo by IWTC has As the House knows, the present Motor increased considerably. In order to meet Vehicles Act is quite old and there is lot the demand of the Seventh Five Year of patch work. The recommendation of Ptan, the capacity of Central Inland the National Transport Policy Committee * Water Transport Corporation is planned has been accepted by the Government to be increased to 1 2 lakh tonnes by the and action has been initiated. The Mini- end of the Seventh Five Year Pl^n, The stry of Shipping and Transport has Rajbagan Dock Yard under this Corpo- constituted a Working Group to go into ration is being modernised in order to the question of provisions of the present meet the growing demand of the con- Act, as also to Turing the provisions in turn with modern needs. struction of vessels as well as repairs of m the inland vessels. The question regarding misuse of All As far as road transport is concerned, India tourist bus permits has been raised. in the metropolitan cities with a popula- .This question was also raised in the tion of 5 lakhs and above, it is the bus Transport Development Committee in system which caters to the needs of the which alf the Ministers from the States commuters In Delhi and in many other are members. This question was dis- metropolitan cities, there is no alternative cussed in that Committee also and a to this road transport and no other decision was taken that present system of system supplements the road transport, ■ All India tourist bus permits required some changes. They recommended that • As far as the growth of DTC is a revised scheme should be prepared. concerned, in 1980-81, the DTC had a The revised system provides for the grant fleet of 3.091 buses and in 1984-85, of permit to the operator where he can we have 5,040 buses. The number of choose a minimum number of five States, passengers carried during 1980-81 was including the home State for operation 25.5 lakhs and during 1984-85 it was and cao add any number of States as and 40.86 lakhs. I just want to make a point when he desires. We are just trying to that the activities of the DTC are improve that system instead of saying increasing. The number of routes in good-bye to that system. The Transport 1980-81 was 456. Now we have 660 Development Committee has also taken routes. If you see the route KM per- a view that, until the revised system comes formed, it was 8,570 in 1980-81 while into operation, the number of national • in 1984-85 it was 13,220. So, the area tourist permits should not be increased. of activity and the quantum of service of This is all regarding transport sector. * the DTC to the commuters of Delhi has very much increased but I do agree . The recommendation for creating a that there is a demand that more needs single transport authority for metropolitan to be done because the present bus cities has been accepted by the Govern- system cannot fully meet the demands of ment of India with the modification that 237 Report of National CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Transport Policy Committee 238

the sub-urban rail service run on sections we are just facing. There are demand? common to trunk rail service would rer and I do agree there are genuine de- main a part of the railway concerned. ’ mands from the hon. Members and from The implementation of this recommenda- some State Governments for declaring tion has been assigned to the Ministry certain State Highways as National of Works and Housing, Recently a .Highways and the Working Group has Working; Group has been constituted already made some recommendations under the Chairmanship of Secretary, regarding that. The working group has Works and Housing including among recommended 7500 km io be taken up others the Secretary of State Government in the Seventh Five year Plan as national of West Bengal to study in detail the highways. various aspects and problems relating to metropolitan transport. As you know, Sir, recently in Lucknow there was a road transport is essentially a State meeting of the top engineers and they subject and whatever is the outcome of have prepared a respective plan upto the the Working Group, certainly may cover end of this century According to that recommendations to the State Govern- perspective plan the increase of the ments for follow-up action. The recom- .national highways should be upto 66,000 mendation regarding the introduction of km. This is the position. the CTD and the National Transport Policy has been accepted and as I have Sir, presently our position is that we already said in Delhi in one corridor we do not know as to what extent the are just going to study to get that system recommendations of the" working group included. of the Seventh Five Year Plan will be accepted by the Planning Commission. The only sector which remains and in We will not know the clear picture which my hon. friend, Mr Vyas is very before the finalisation of the Seventh much interested— this is also a sector in Five Year Plan but certainly there which all of us are interested— is the are two conflicting claims. One is road sector Before I deal with the road to increase the Jength of the national sector, a question was raised regarding highway system and the other is to the improvement of the bullock-cart and improve and to remove the deficiencies of the recommendation of the National the present national highway system. Transport Policy Committee also regard- The present position it that our stress is ing some development of the bulock more for removing the deficiencies in the cart. Research and studies have already present national highway system. been carried out by the Road Research Institute and the Indian Institute of Sir, a question has been raised Management, Bangalore and a number regarding allocation of funds for repairs of efficient designs have now been deve- and maintenance of national highways. - loped and these are now on field trials. [Translation] . * I just want to apprise the hon. Member. SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS The major question in which the hon. ' (Bhilwara) : We have demanded a new Members are very much interested is the National Highway. Please tell us some- condition of the National Highways and thing about it. . increase in the kilometrage of the National Highways. The position as it exists today is that we have about 32,000 km of [English] ' National Highways and just for removing the SHRI Z. R. ANSARI : My friend deficiencies which are there in our national does not realise my difficulty. My diffi- Highways, we would require an amount culty is that if I concede, because of of Rs, 4 500 crores. Again it is the same friendship, his demand then I shall be question of nine maunds of oil being in troubled waters. The position is that Rvailable and Radha danc:ng only when all these roads which have been recom- it is available. So this is the problem., mended by the hon. Members as well as 239 Report o f Natlorfal MARCH 27, 1985 ^Transport Policy Committee 240

[$hri Z.R. Ansari] t SHRI Z R. 'ANSARI : Leave that the State governments are before the aside. . . * Planning Commission and the Planning * - Commission will take a view on the * - * recommendations of the working group * There was a question raised by hon. and unless the final position of the Member, Shri Indrajit Gupta and also Seventh Five Year Plan is known I can- probably by Prof, Madhu Dandavate not say anything about it. • regarding the seoond Hooghly Bridge, I cannot give a better, reply than what I think that there appears to be some the hon. Member Shri Das Munsi has misconception in the minds of some hon. given. .* Members that thpre are no criteria laid down for providing for the maintenance SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY (Midna- of the national highway. pore) 4 Make him a Minister.

Sir, when we aftocate ihe funds for the SHRI Z.R. ANSARI : This is not in maintenance cf the national highway, the my hands. Otherwise I would have questions which have to be considered, appointed you. are, the rainfall in that area,_ the terrain of that area where the national highway ' SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS : How exists, whether it is hilly area or desert can you appoint him ? You can’t do it. area, what sort of soil it is, the intensity . a of the track, the condition of the road, SHRI Z.R. ANSARI : This project, elc. We hive to go into the question as 1 second Hooghly bridge, is not a national to what is the actual condition of the project, but it is a State project. For, road. All these factors are being taken that State project, Central Government into account while allocating funds for • is giving assistance. It is to be executed maintenance, and development of any by the State Public Works Depart- national highway anywhere. ment.

Although it does trot fall strictly under “Pakde jate hain farishton ke kahe the Ministry of Shipping and Transport, par na.huni** J I miy add that Government of India attaches considerable importance to the [Translations] provision of accessibility to the villages SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS : But under the Minimum Needs Programme. at least find out whether they have spent Plan targets have been prescribed ‘ for that money or not because we are not achievement by 1990. All villages with satisfied...... (Interruptions) population of about 1500 should be connected by an all-weather road and 50 [English] ' per cent of the villages with the popula- SHRI Z.R. ANSARI ; I am not. tion of 1000 to 1500 should be con- • in the habit of giving any sort of nected by all-weather roads, The funds reply to running commentary. The earmarked cannot be diverted to other position is this, that we have given programmes So, this decision has been . assistance .to the State Government for taken. Considerable progress has been that bridge. It is a loan assistance given made in the implementation of this pro- within the parameters which have been gramme.- (Interruption's). I do not think laid down, that I can give a better reply. . I do not say that I have covered all [Translation] the points. Bat I have covered the major SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS : How points which were raised by the hon. mahy villages with 1500 population have Members, Sir, with these words, I am been provided with these roads...... thankful to the hon. Members for a very 2 41 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing o f claims) Bill 242

purposeful discussion and again I should There are two or three clauses about say that I am advocating the cause of which it has not been made clear why tlie .Ministry of Shipping and Transport they have been.included in the Bill. for more allocation of funds for this sec! or by the Planning Commission. ¥In the Statement of Objucts and Rear Thank you. sons it has been stated that—

[Translation] ' [English] • SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS : The “ Government Has been anxious to hon. Minister should tell us whether he ensure that the interests of the would implement our suggestions or viptims of the disaster are fully not ? * protected and that the claims for compensation or damages for loss SHRI Z.R. ANSARI : Why shall we of life or personal injuries or in not do so when you are pleading our respect of other matters arising cause ? out of or Connected with the disaster are processed speedily, effectively, equitably and to the best advantage of the clai- 13.4-1 hrs. mants.” STATUTORY RESOLUTION RE : DIS- APPROVAL OF BHOPAL GAS LEAK [Translation] DISASTER (PROCESSING OF Government want to file claims in the CLAIMS) ORDINANCE law court on behalf of the people who * AND have been affected by the- gas, have BHOPAL GAS LEAK DISASTER suffered personal injuries or have been (PROCESSING OF CLAIMS) lying sick, and to ensure expediiious pay- BILL ment of compensation to the victims.

[English] ■ ( I would like to submit that there are MR. CHAIRMAN : Now, the House other multinationals also like this Com- will take up items No. 10 and 11 of the pany. We know what kind of people List of Business together for which three these Union Carbide owners are. They hours have been allotted. Now, Mr. C. have their factories all over the world. Janga Reddy to move his Statutory In India also they have faciories at Resolution. different places. Only yesterday I came to know that in Delhi also similar things are happening in Sriram Fertilizers. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY (Hanam- konda) : I beg to move : For the last two or three days Telugu papers have been publishing reports that “ This House disapproves of the Bhopal there afe similar factories near Hydera- Gas Leak Disaster (PrQcessing of bad also and the people of the area are Claims) Ordinance, 1985 (Ordi- in the grip of fear on this account. The nance No. 1 of 1985) promul- people all over India who are residing gated b) the President on the near factories of the type of Union 20th February, 1985,” Carbide, Bhopal, are quite apprehensive. From the Telugu paffers it appears that [Translation] another Bhopal-typa incident is going to SHRI C. JANGA REDDY : Mr. occur in Hyderabad. > Chairman, Sir, the Bill, as passed by Rajya Sabha, seeks to authorise the Bharat Tobacco Company, Sriram Central Government to fight cases in Fertilizers, Delhi, Laxmi Star Factory, courts on behalf of the victims of the Golden Tobacco Company, Hyderabad, Bhopal Gas Tragedy. etc,, are the factories'in India which are 243 Bhopal Gas Leak Disastet MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing of Claims) Bill 244

[Shri C. Janga Reddy] papers that many people have died at several places because of this vpry reason. jointly owned by Indians a* well as No foolproof provision has been made multinationals. in this Bill about this. There are two aspects of this issue. The first is the Union. Carbide has factories both Ml monetary aspect, i.e.* the payment of Bombay and Bhopal. In Bhopal many compensation to< the victims. The second tonnes of chloride was in store whereas 'aspect is initiating criminal proceedings it-was stated that theje was only, two against the company in ‘ connection with tonnes of gas when this incident occurred the deaths that have taken place. Can on the 2nd and 3rd December. Had you not make any provision in. the law this incident occurred on the 14th, whnt .in this regard afjer consulting any would have been done then ? Our advocate ? Government propose to take over that factory instead of cancelling their licence. Now, the Central Government and the No guarantee is being given that such a Madhya Pradesh Government are trying gas tragedy will not recur. We should to shift the responsibility for haying issued ensure at the time of giving licence or the licencc to each other.' Usua.ly all the setting up of factories with foreign tech- details should be examined at the time of no4ogy that no harm is likely to be issuing the liccnce. This aspect should caused thereby. Nothing has been also be examined namely, if an industry mentioned in this Bill to that effect. We is closed down what the consequent are told that the case should be filed in the losses will be. These thinps were not ‘American courts and American advocates looked into by the Central Government should be consulted. We do not know and the Madhya Pradesh Government at what the American advocates have the time of issuing the licence. It. was, advised in this regard. The Cause of therefore, an offence to issue the licence Action has taken place in Bhopal in to thorn We know that this Company, Tndia. How can we fight the case in instead of conducting research For manu- America ? . facturing new drugs and insecticides, wns manufacturing chemicals This company [English] was trying to cheat us in a very elever , AN HON MEMBER: It is there manner. We ?hoiil>1 have tf*kcn pre- where the defendant resides. ' ventive measures. After seeing the victims of Bhopal Gas Tragedy wc arc SHRI C. JANGA REDDY : But they reminded of the tragedy of Nagasaki . should be prosecuted here. when an atom bomb was dropped on it. As in Nagasaki, here too, the people have [Translation] • been dying of different ailments, like You say that we can claim compensa- stomach ache, nose pain, etc. People tion from America but in America people* have been afflicted with different diseases, are making fun of us. In India and out- and medicines are not available to cure side, it is being said it is because Ameri- them. In Bhopal, the patients are lying can Courts will award more compensation in front of^hospitals. The Medical Board that we are fighting our case thefe. had recommended a drug named Sodio- m " thio-sulphate>but that is not being used. [English] ' Doctors are not ptescribing that medicine. ' The patients are, therefore, in difficulty. They say that Indian Government We should have been informed by the . wants to file the suit in America, because Government of what is being done to the compen‘ation awarded in America is provide that medicine. What is going to more. Union • Carbide people want 10 be the fate of thfs company ? The shift the ca?es here. We have been reading in the papers, t ' poisonous material is still lying their. 90 tonnes of chlorine is still lying there. We shall have to think about that. [Translation] » . TIere have been news-items in the In th/s Bill, there is no mention about 245 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6,, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing o f Claims) Bill 246

the setting up of special Courts. Thou- of the unprecedented disaster which sands of people haVe died there. Dead resulted from the leakage at Bhopal on bodies were found in paddy fields, wheat the 2nd and 3rd‘days of December, 1984. fields, trains and in buses. Attorneys The House is also aware of the firm and advocates from America* went there intenation of Government to ensure that and secured Power of Attorney from the the claims arising out of. or connected people. What did you do. to stop them with the disaster, are dealt with speedily, from doing so ? When foreigners were ' effectively, equitably and to the best doing such things you should have told advantage of the claimants. the people that there was no need to do that because Government themselves For the purpose of giving effect to this would take up their case. Certain cases intention, the legal position was examined of this nature are being heard in Ameri- carefully and it was felt that special can courts. You should have told us provisions are required to be made for about the steps proposed to be taken by - processing the claims. Accordingly, the you. Special courts should be set up for Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster (Processing of this purpose and claims filed in India, Claims) Ordinance, 1985 was promulga- These courts should be in Madhya Pra- ted on 20ih February, 1985. A Bill was desh and High Court Judges should be introduced on 15th March, .1985 in appoipled for the purpose. There should Rajya Sabha to replace this Ordinance. be a provision for appeal to the Supreme *■ I would like to inform the House that the Court. It is not proper to go to America Bill was passed unanimously by. the Rajya for filing the suits with the expectation Sabha on 18th March, 1985 without that more compensation would be award- any amendment. The Bill has nou been ed by them. Special Courts should be transmitted to this House for its consi- constituted for this purpose. There is deration. no provision to this effect in the Bill. Such incidents can occur again,. There- In brief, the Bill enables the Govern- for, provisions should be made in this ment to assume the exclusive rights to regard. represent and act, whether within or outside India, in place of every person who . This is an incomplete Bill and I oppose has made or is entitled to make a claim . in relation to. the disaster and to •t institute any suit or other proceedings or enter into a compromise as mentioned in [English] Clause 3 of the Bill. THE MINISTTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY The Bill also provides for appointment AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI of a Commissioner for the welfare of the VEERENDRA PA'TIL) ; I beg to victims of the disaster and for the for-, move : mulation of a Scheme to provide for ‘ various matters necessary for processing “ That the Bill to confer certain powers of the claims. Such a scheme, inter-alia, on the Central Government to contemplates creation of a fund for secure that claims arising out of, meeting expenses in connection with the . or connected with the Bnopai administration of such a claim and also gas leak disaster are dealt with utilization, by way of disbursal or other- • ‘ speedily, effectively, equitably and wise, of any amounts received in satisfac- to the best advantage of the tion of the claims. The Bill also provides ■ claimants and for matters inci- for laying of every scheme so framed dental thereto, as passed by before each House of the Parliament. ' Rajya Sabha, be taken into consideration.” , I am sure, the Bill will receive the support of the- hon. members of the While moving this Bill, I would like to House, as it did in Rajya Sabha, keeping saya few words. The House is aware in view the objects for which it has be- 247 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (processing of Claims) Bill 248

[Shri Veerendra Patil] . it is going on very severely. This is also a mpn-made disaster; and not only man- come necessary to enact such a legisla- f made because of criminal negligcnce on tion. I commcnd the Bill for the the part of somebody, but thousands of consideration of this House. lives have been lost and lakhs of people MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved : are suffering and wovld be suffering The damage that has been caused could (i) “That this House disapproves of not be gauged at this stage because, acc- the Bhopal Gas Leak Diaster ording to experts and scientists, it has (Processing of claims) Ordinance, and will have a longstanding eftect on the 1 985 (Ordinance No 1 of 19B5) population which has been affected there- promulgated by the President on by, The !eakage of gas was taken place the 2Cth February, 1985, on 2nd und 3rd December. 1984.; The gas that has leaked out is a highly noxious (ii) “That the Bill to confer certain and abnormally dangerous gas which .is . powers on the Central Govern- callcd M thyl Isocyanate, and in short ment to secure that claims arising from it is called MIC. This has been out of, or connected with the caused at the Union Carbide plant at Bhopal gas leak disaster are dealt Bhoral, and continued to cause enormous with speedily, effectively,, equitably loss to the property as well as to the lives and to the best advantage of the of the people. It Is .reported that many claimants and for matters inciden- lakhs ol people* have fled from Bhopal tal thereto, as passSd by Rajya after this disaster. How many have been Sabha, be taken into considera- affected it is not certainly known. I tion.” . would like to know from the hon. Minister whether any attempt has been SHRI D.B. PATIL (Kolaba) : At the made to find out how many people have outset, I would like to welcome the Bill been affected how many people are and the intention of the government for likely to be affected blill, hccause of this bringing forward this Bill. It is very disaster; because in the beginninfi it was necessary that the persons 'who are being said and nrgutd by the Union suffering or are likely to suffer and the Carbide’ experts and some of the Indian relatives of the dead should be given Government officers also that the leakage assistance; and for this purpose, this Bill of this particular gas wrrs nor likely to is being brought forward by the govern- . cause any bodily damage But actually ment. it has caused bodily d3mg? at a ve-y large scale. So, it is of exfvem i impJrtance, and I would like to the attention of Nearly 2,500 people had died although the Government to it, that it has to be that figure is not correct; it cannot be found out as to how many p20ple have correct-. Not only thousands, -but lakhs been affected. It is a very important of people are suffering because of this question. . . disaster; and when we talk of this disaster, it is very wejl known that this is- a The Government of Madhya Pradesh man-made disaster. There are calamities has promulgated an Ordinance to the like syclones, floods and storms. No- effect that the persons who have fled body can help there. In those calamities, from Bhopal after this tragedy and who thousands of lives are lost; and in those have sold their moveable property while cases, government also tried to help the fleeing, would be entitled to the proper relatives of the victims and the persons price of the property if the property had who suffer from these calamities. There b*en sold at a lesser price. Th.it means are also man-made calamities such as war that the State Government of Midhya setbacks. In these cases, nobody can Pradesh is aware of the fact that after help. At present, a war is going on the disaster many people have fi:J from bstw.cn lean and Iraq. Our Prime Bhopal. It is (he duty of the Govern- Minister ha, Hied to intervene in that ment of Madhya Pradesh and also the war. Hut wc have read in the papers t

tant to ascertain to be affected or injured. So, I would the fact as to ‘ how many persons have like the Minister to make certain provi- been affected by this particular disaster. sion about this. Taking into considereration all these facts and the attitude of the .company in this About the withdrawal of cases or suits regard, I will urge upon the Government and entering into a compromise, it has been to be very careful on its part and to pro- provided in the Bill that the Government vide a foolproof legislation so far as this will be entitled to withdraw any suit or tragedy is concernd. enter into a compromise, I agree that the Government should be entitled to do -* 1 have suggested certain amendments so, but when the Government is taking to the Bill but as I am not like to be this power, I would suggest that when a here in this House to move those amend- compromise is arrived at or when a suit ments because sotne communal riots have is withdrawn, it should be done with the taken place in my constituency and I consent of the affected party. Because, will have to rush«back by 5,30 p.m., unless and until the party which has been I would draw the attention of the affected is consulted, it is- quite likely Government to some of the amendments that it will be put to a loss. So, I would which should be considered. The hon. request the Government to take this as- Minister has stated that the Rajya Sabha pect into consideration. 253 Bfiopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing of Claims) Bill 254
Having said so, I would request the The tragedy of Bhopal is the firsi of Government to take into consideration its kind in the history of India. I think all these things and to be very careful this disaster is the only one of its kind bccause the management is not likely to even . in the world, which has greaiely agree to a compromise. I will give only pained us. one or two examples, without ôing into '■ * the details. One 16-year old girl, wlv The Central Government have brought was affected by this tragedy, claimed forward a bill in this respect In this damages *from the Company, The Com- Bill .provision has been made regarding pany argued that there is no dcfect in the the mode of compensation to be given plant and so the Company is not bound to tire gas victims or the dependents of to give any compensation to the cliamant, the deceased. Goverement have token a who claimed it on the ground of damage d.cision to file a suit in America after of the lungs. When this is the attitude processing the claims of t*Te claimants and of the Company, the Government have . collect inp the necessary information. This to be very caref.,1 and see where they can is the decision which hag been taken pinpoint them for negligencc, Now the question is whether we can take action against the Union Carbide Then, apart from the persons who arc in our own country or n:)t. Is it nece- rilready suffering, even the children who ssary to go to the courts in America have not yet been born will also be when the cause of action has taken .suffering. It is the opinion of the experts place in Bhopal ? In view of this; the that the pregnant women are most likely matter should h* taken up in the courts to be affected : not only the mother, but of Madhya Pradesh and Bhopal But the unborn child in the womb of the the question is that the defender belongs woman is also likely to be affected. The to (hat country and therefore the action Bhopal gas tragedy will hnve its impact can he take» there. We should enact a on the children still unborn The first lenislati'n uflder which actton could be child which was bojn after the tragedy taken in InJia ilself ns* ihe mu!tina- had no eyes or orgahs to identify the tionjl companies, or the foreign companies operating here. srx : there was abnormality to that extent * - and that was-the direct resuU of thjg tragedy. The most important po;nt in the matter is that at the time of filing of the When the lungs are affected, the claims the burden cf proof will lie on us kidneys arc affected, the heart is affected, and we shall have to prove that the dis- naturally the child in the womb will aster occurred only because of negligence also be affected to a large extent. This is on the part of the Union Carbide. When a very serious matter. we file the suit we shall have to establish that they failed to lake precautions- ... (Interruptions) I know that the onus of It is heartening that the Government proviru!: the case lies on one wjio files have taken the right step. But, after the claims. It will have to be proved ,having taken the ripht step, certoin that there has been negligence on the part precautions have j o be taken which, of the Union Carbide factory. We shall according to me, have not been taken. have to collect information about the So, I would request the hon. Minister to neglTgence on the part of the Union Cgr- take into consideration all these factors. hide in connection with the suit to be I*support the B'll, filed by us There is a provision in the Hill that the claim nt can al'O engsge his [Translation] * own lawyer besides the advocate to be appointed by the Central Government. SHRT. VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN. This provision is a welcome step because (Barmer) ; Mr; Speaker, Sir, J support incase the Government advocate d« es the Bhopal Gas Le;ik Disaster Bill, 198 5 not plead effectively then the claimant which has been prescmed here. wi.'l have the right to enga; e his own 25 5 Bhopal Gas Leak Dhaste/- MARCH 27, 1 985 (Processing of Claims} BUI 256
[Shri Virdhi Clunder Jain] by those who were present there, who wire a witness to the disaster and its lawyer. This is an appropriate provision after-effec>s, and it is they who know and it should be there what the need of the hour is, I am that unfortunate Member of Parliament who Seconflly, a National Calamities Fund has been elected from that constituency. should be created in order to provide The poor and the aggrieved people have relief to the victims of calamities like elected me. I have also suffered a loss earthquakes, famines, and disasters, such because I could oecome a Mfember of as have accurred in Bnopal The Centre this House only a month later. It is should collect contributions from all the because of that tragedy that I have be- States for this Fund The Centre had come junior to other Members by one collected funds from all the States when month. We want compensation. A plan Bihar was rocke^ with earthquake. The should definitely be chalked out in this people hid generously donated money respect and maximum compensation and in this way it was possible to provide should be given. Unless we assess the relief to the victims of the fragedy in an extent of compensation to be claimed and effective manner. . In a disaster like this, on which counts it has to be claimed, we in which 2? 00 persons have lost tlicir cannot succeed in our efforts. So fas as lives and lakhs of people have been the claiming of the compensation is con- affected and their ' fu ure Jus become cerned my impression is that everyone is bleak, an appeal should be made on a of the opinion that compensation should national lev.l to faê such a tragedy. be claimed for ihe loss of life and personal We shall get crores of rupees m response injuries. There have been two types of to our appeal and thus we may be able to. personal injuries i.e., grievous injuries help the affected people. Arrangements and simple injuries. When the proposal for medicines and for thefr rehabilitation for granting relief was un^.er the consi- would have 40 be made. About 95 per deration of the Government, the Madhya cent of the people dwelling in jhuggies Pradesh Government had decided to and jhopries have been affected by this grant Rs. 10,000 to the heirs of the disaster. Schemes should be prepared deceased. It was also decided to grunt to rehabilitate thjm ' The* Madhya Rs. 2000 to those who suffered grievous Pradesh Government should formulate injuries and Rs. 1000 to those who such a scheme and the Central Govern- suffered simple injuries. Sir, I was also ment should give special assistance for it. a member of the Relief Committee, and I They should* be provided with evfcry availa- had asked the officers as well the doctors -ble facility. The most competent lawyers how they would define a simple injury. should be engaged to plead their cases. They only said that it referred to oniy In this connection, the services of a good those whose eyes have been affected by lawyer from America can be availed of. the gas. When I asked them how they Efforts should be mode to compensate would find the numbers of persons whose the1 victims cf the gas nagedy. The need eyes were affected, who took medicines of the hour is to give them relief at the and for how many days they took medi- earliest and to take positive steps in this cines, and the number of persons who respect. With these words, I suppoit the suffered after-effects, they had no reply# Bill. to all these questions. * This is the reason why except in a few initial cases when SHRI K, N PRADHAN (Bhopal) ; some people got Rs. 2000 and some got Mr. Chairman, Sir, no Member of this Rs. 1000, I his relief was stopped because ouse will disigree with this Bill. Hon. it was not possible to reach any con- Members of the House have drawn their clusion till the survey work was comp- conclusions about the tragedy in Bhopal leted and till the extent of assistance or about the extent of compensation, that could be decided. * should be claimed, by depending on hearsay, the newspaper reports or by The survey work was entrusted to the talkiag to one another. The real enor- personnel of Tata Institute but it is yet mity of the disaster cao be gauged only incomplete. Sir, what I mean to say is 257 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing of Claims) Bill 258
that it is not possible to gauge the enor- have seen not one but many such mity of the tragedy caused by the Gas instances. Previously also, a similar leakage in Bhopal. mishap had occurred in Bhopal in 1982 in which some employees of the factory were [English] killed. I was the first to raise the matter in the Madhya Pradesh Legislative SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY (Mid- Assembly and had warned of the con- napore) : Sir, where is the Minister ? sequences which the city of Bhopal would have to face if this poisonous gas leaked MR. CHAIRMAN : It is the joint from the factory some day. Yesterday responsibility. Some hon. Ministers are when one of our colleagues was saying sitting in the House. while discussing Sriram Chemicals......
SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY ; It SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN : seems we have not given the importance When did you raise this question in the that it deserves. Madhya Pradesh Legislative Assembly ?
MR. CHAIRMAN : It is the joint SHRI K.N. PRADHAN : I hid responsibility. Ministers are present in raised this question in March, 1982 and the House. They are taking note of had pleaded for effective measures to con- the points raised in the speech. A tain it. Yesterday, Lalitji was saying in Minister can do so even mentally. this House in regard to the Sriram Che- micals factory that the history of Bhopal SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : The might be repeated in Delhi. Believe me, victims have not died mentally. They I shuddered at the reply because a similar have died physically. Is it a hem gas from reply was given to me in the Madhya the Ministers ? Pradesh Legislative Assembly that everything had been taken care of and every- [Translation] thing was all right and that the factory SHRI K.N. PRADHAN : I would was not a stone which could be shifted to like that a survey should be conducted to any other place. find out the number of persons who suffered personal injuries on account of Sir, I would like to plead that no rule the gas and the extent of damage caused or law or Government can come in the to property. way of saving human lives. Government should take the incident which occurred Sir, when this tragedy occurred during in Bhopal seriously. Safety measures the night of the 2nd and 3rd December should be adopted with regard to Sriram people were running about in every street Chemicals factory also at the earliest. and on every road from 12 O’clock in The Madhya Pradesh Government had the night to 5 or 6 O’clock in the set up a committee and that committee morning in the Bhopal city as if death submitted its report also but no action was bounding them. Everybody was in the was taken thereon. grip of panic so much so that the son did not bother about his father and the husband Many of our colleagues have raised a did not bother about his wife. Every one doubt that when tne suit for the com- was running as fast as he or she could pensation is filed, we shall have to estab- with the sole object of saving his or her lish that the Company has been responsi- life. ble for the tragedy. The company is definitely responsible. I would like to urge SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Pali) : upon the Government that, alongwith the Who were the wives who did not bother diplomacy of decency, we should also about their husbands at that tim e...... examine whether it was not an experiment on this poor country, on poor Bhopal SHRI K. N. PRADHAN : Had you and on the poor people of Bhopal to find been in Bhopal at that time, you would out the cffects of this poisonous gas on 259 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (processing of Claims) Bill 260
[Shri K.N. Pradhan] which might hamper their escape. This fear made them run for safety. The human beings and also its after- result was that the people sold their effects utensils, cycles, livestock and other belongings at throw away prices and fled In America, MIC gas is stored in tanks from Bhopal. made of good quality stainless steel because it has been mentioned in their re- The day ‘‘Operation Faith” was start- port that if water in pure forms enters ed in the old city of Bhopal, where about MIC gas tanks then it would not affect four to five lakh people reside, every it but if iron-mixed water enters the door was locked and there was an eerie tanks, it would react. Here carbon steel silence everywhere. Only two to three tank was used. thousand people were left behind who were traffic policemen or hospital person- Similarly, earlier five specialists used nel doing their duties. Otherwise, the to work in the factory. Within one year, whole of Bhopal was a deserted city. four specialists were withdrawn and only one specialist was there when this inci- Tn T.T. Nagar and HEL more than dent took place 80 ner cent of the people had sent their families out Thus, out of a population In the name of rationalisation, INTUC of nine lakhs, more than seven lakh Union was pressurised by the factory- people had left the city. So far as its owners to get its staff-streogth reduced. impact is concerned there was not a When INTUC Union did not agree, the single town or village of the three districts other Union was enticed into agreeing to of Bhopal, Schore and Raisen where the reduction in the strength of the people of Bhopal had not taken shelter. workers with the allurement of increase In shivering cold, people tried to save in the emoluments of the workers. The their children by burninc fire. The prob- office-bearers of the INTUC Union were lem before them was, if they returned to gheraoed and they were pressurised to Bhopal, where they would find any means sign the agreement. of livelihood. Business had come to a standstill and factories had been closed. At the tank where the leakage occurred, Even today, 50 thousand families are fac- there used to be 19 people on the job ing the problem of unemployment, Gover- and they were all trained. After the ment have, no doubt, done a lot, for which agreement, 1 1 persons were posted, out I am thankful to them and specially to of whom only four were trained. Does the Hon. Prime Minister who visited Bho- this not indicate that it was all deliberate- pal on the 4th instant and saw the wailing ly done to give it appearance of an acci- humanity with his own eyes and extended dent, whereas actually they wanted the to them all possible assistance. The gas to spread outside so as to observe its scheme which was formulated for sup- effects on the people— how they will writhe plying free ration for three months, will and die inch by inch ; they wanted to remained operative only up to the 3 1 st find out the treatment for it and observeits March. This aspect should also be looked after-effects. We shall have to look into into. this aspect also. You may formulate a scheme of com- The extent of damage can be gauged pensation, which is, of course, a good from the fact that on the night the inci- step. But when will it be finalised ? When dent took place, about four lakh people will the people get employment ? What fled from Bhopal and out of them one about their treatment ? These matters Jakh people have not returned. Till the should be considered at the earliest. The day “Operation Faith” was started, most regrettable thing is that the doctors people continued to flee, fearing that sitting in America and Calcutta are writ- the tank might burst at any time and ing strange things about the disease which there might be consequent leakage of gas has instilled a sense of .fear among the , 261 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing of Claims) Bill 262
people of Bhopal and they do not know [English] what is in store for them. The people SHRI S.M. BHATTAM (Visakhapat- who have been affected physically are, of nam) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I fully course, suffering but those who have not support the aims and objects of this piece betn physically affected are suffering men- of legislation which is now before the tally. It is quite necessary to alleviate House. The Minister has undertaken their sufferings. Treatment is being given this great responsibility on his shoulders to them, dispensaries are working but of ensuring and protecting the interests everything should be done systematically. of all those people who were affected A big hospital should be opened. A during the recent greatest tragedy and scheme should be prepared for them and disaster which has overtaken Bhopal, it should be decided as to what treatment which is unprecedented, which is first of and medicines would be required to cure its kind in the entire world. I only wisb them. If this is not done, their problems that he succeeds in discharging the great will go on multiplying. There should be responsibilities which he has undertaken. a research centre. Similarly, the people who have I am happy that this piece of legisla- bccome victims of this gas tragedy, tion has been introduced on the question whose eyes, legs or lungs have of protecting the interests of the victims been damaged should be provided with and other relatives of the affected mem- employment. The factories which have bers of families in the Bhopal tragedy. been closed, should be reopened to pro- But to meet similar situations God vide employment to the people there. forbid, it should not recur—Government J.K. Batteries has been closed down, must have a permanent piece of legisla- Straw Products is also closed. You should tion just as in the case of accidents on examine the question of expansion of account of fire where there are permanent H.E.L. Funds should be provided for instructions issued for rushing help and underground trenches, slum clearance assistance to the victims; Government and for water supply. must have a standing and permanent Statute whereby they undertake the res- After the reorganisation of States in ponsibility of safeguarding and protecting India, Bhopal has been allocated the least the interests of all people concerned, amount among the new capitals. This whoever be the victims and in whichever aspects should be looked into. Today, part of the country it may occur, in Shri Rajiv Gandhi is at the helm of whatever circumstances it may occur. affairs and he has a lot of sympathy for This is the first suggestion which I place Bhopal. When he visited the city, he before the Minister for his due conside- promptly said that assistance to the City ration. should not be confined only, to the scheme of compensation, but the people The Minister, as I stated earlier, has should be provided with medical treat- got a very onerous responsibility on his ment and employment also. shoulders. How many people were affected, how many died, how many were If the sufferings of the citizens of injured, how many people are yet to Bhopal are not mitigated and employment suffer, how many people suffered serious is not provided to them, then it will only and severe injurious, how many genera- mean shedding crocodile tears. tions are going to be damaged and dis- With these words, I support the Bill abled—these are all things which he and hope that the Central Government, should take into consideration and he besides implementing the scheme, of com- should see that necessary compensation pensation, would also prepare a scheme is paid to them. We must have statis- for the resettlement, employment and tics about these. The Minister, pre- medical treatment of the people of viously, on a different occasion, pla#ed Bhopalf where we feel that an experiment before the House the statistics which were has been made. We hope that Govern- then available, but they are not complete ment will take steps to provide relief to figures. The complete data are perhaps the people. in the process of being collected. A 263 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27f 1985 ( Processing o f Claims) Bill 264 [Shri S.M, Bhattam] Not merely that, another aspect the separate body has been constituted for Minister must consider. There are two this purpose; the Tata Institute of Social things open for the Minister. Either he Sciences was named here; the responsibi- may go to a court of law on behalf of lity has been entrusted to them of collect- all such affected persons in this country ing the information and placing it before or he may go before a court of law in the concerned authorities. That process the USA. Or the third alternative is is still perhaps going on. Even without that he can arrive at a settlement out of knowing the number of persons who were court—a compromise may be effected. affected, how is it possible for the Go- There are the there courses open to him. vernment to safeguard their interests Which course exactly is he going to and undertake such measures as are adopt ? Is he going to prefer an appeal necessary to go before a court of law to a court of law here in this country ? and establish their case for payment of Or is he going to a court of law in proper compensation ? Therefore, this America ? What is it exactly he pro- is the basic essential data which the poses to do ? Minister must be able to collect and keep ready as expeditiously as possible. This I am conscious of the fact that the is the basic minimum requirement which Attorney-General was sent on a previous is absolutely and highly necessary. This occas:on to America to study the legal is what I would like to point out in the ?ystem there, to consult the necessary beginning. legal luminaries there and also other organisations and bodies in ths field. Again, the question of limitation Similarly, the Secretary, Law Depnrtment comes. The Limitation Act. of course, was again deputed to USA to study the is there. The Minister has stated that in situation. What is the result ? What the Limitation Act 1963 under See. 8 (1) has happened ? And what is the deci- certain period is prescribed for going in sion taken ? For a common man like appeal before the competent court. But me, our information goes to show that here he makes an exception and he pro- after all the amount of compensation vides for a belated application before the which is generally and normally conceded court of law. All right. But I do re- and paid to such victims in America will quest him to once again consider whether be much bigger. A huge sum is paid to it will be legally valid at all to provide them normally. Then why not we go in for such exemption in this piece of legisla- appeal to America ? Why in India ? tion and not in the original Act, that is, So, this is still a subject matter for dis- in the Limitation Act of 1963 and with- cussion. Has something been done ? out providing for it there and providing Has some decision been taken ? Has for exemption in this piece of legislation some stand been taken in this regard ? would it be valid at all ? ... I would like the hon. Minister to enlighten the House on this particular MR. CHAIRMAN : This is a Special issue. legislation whereas Limitation Act is a general Act. Again there are some people whose cases were pending before the courts of SHRI S M. BHATTAM : May be a law in America. What happens to those special Act, but will it over-ride whatever cases ? Now here under this piece of is contained in that act ? This ia a legislation the Government has conferred matter for consideration. After all I am all powers and authority, exclusive autho- making a submission for him so that he rity to go before a court of law with a can make his case foolproof It is only view to protect the interests of ,the af- in the best interests of people concerned fected pertons. But what happens to and not with a view to pick holes and those people whose cases are now pending find fault with anybody in this regard. before the courts of law in America ? So on this aspect he may also give due Will all pieces of legislation you under- consideration again. take here, you implement here and you 265 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing o f Claims) Bill 266
enact here be binding there in that witnessed. Like George Orwell’s 1984 country where the courts ore already perhaps India. witnessed some of the seized of the matter and the cases are biggest tragedies in the year 1984. Here pending and the matter is sub judice ? I would like to quote what the Japanese This is also another aspect which the people thought about this Bhopal tragedy Minister should consider and decide and how they demonstrated in Tokyo whether it has got any legal validity and before the Head Office of this the killer application to all outstanding cases which Corporation union carbide. I quote ; are now pending before the Federal Court or State Courts in America. '‘We cannot restrain our anger at the report that more than 2500 Sir. three months have elapsed now. people were killed and hundreds In the course of these three months what and thousands of people are is it that the government has done with suffering as a result of the leakage regard to this issue. Has the government of poisonous gss. We have seen appointed the Commissioner as envisaged no suvh other example of mass- in the Act to prepare a scheme and pro- acre committed by one private cess the claims ? At what stage does enterprise at one time so far.” the matter stand ? Has the Commissioner been appointed for the purpose of ensur- The Japanese have correctly expressed ing welfare of the victims of the disaster ? their anyer at the tragedy that the people of our country have faced. I would like Sir, the Minister is credited to have to know till today has the government stated on the Floor of Rajya Sabha that been able to place before the House or if and when such a scheme is prepared ii before the people as to who are really will again be placed before the Hous;. accountable for this disaster ? I was trying That goes to show no such scheme has so to go through the publications that have far been prepared. What does it indicate. been made and reports published during No doubt, the Minister is anxious to the last three months but nowhere I could expeditiously deal with the matter come across that such and such person so that justice is done to them or such and such department has been as speedily as possible but as it is held responsible for such a disaster. the scheme has not been prepared and the cases of the claimants not projected I would also like to know from the in the proper forum. hon Minister that had this happened in the western countries what would have Sir, instead of dilating on the subject happened to this multi-national cor- at length before I conclude I would poration ? once.again endorse the main aims of the Bill and as stated earlier I earnestly wish that Minister may profourdly succeed in 15.00 hrs. discharging the responsibility which he Perhaps they would have been asked has taken over his shoulders. Afterall he to close down everything. We are a is doing a great service to the people who sovereign and independent country. Have are very innocent, poor, helpless and we got no right to exercise our sovereign illiterate and nobody else to support them. rights ? Why could you not make any May he succced fully and profoundly provision while granting licence to in it. multinationals that if such a disaster happens you can confiscate their entire pro- SHRI CHTNTAMANl PANIGRAHI perty ? There were demands from all (Bhubaneswar) ; Sir. ! welcome this sections cf the House and the people Bill and I can say that the Government also that gradually we must have majority has taken a very serious and right attitude equity participation in all multinational so far as the Bhopal tragedy is concerned. corporations. In fact, in nrany of these This is one of the greatest tragedies that corporations India got rinajority participa- our country witnessed or perhaps the world tion of 51 per cent. But why that in 267 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing of Claims)'Bill 268
[Shri Chintamaai Panigrahi] One hon. Member pointed out that the case of Union Carbide, they are re- those who will suffer after this hap- taining still 51 per cent of equity share ? pening, have not been taken care of. I 1 don’t understand this and 1 request the find that those have been taken care of.The hon. Minister to enlighten the House on hon. Minister has said that the victims of this point. the disaster who have managed to survive are still suffering from adverse effects and I want to know as to who granted licence the further complications which may for setting up of this factory in the heart arise in their case in course of time can- of Bhopal city which is heavily populated. not be fully visualised even at this stage. I hope the hon. Minister has gone Therefore, provision has been made in the through all these aspects of the matter. Bill for taking care of those who will These multinational corporations are suffer as a result of after-effects of this now spearheading neo-capi'.alism in the tragedy. third world countries. In the third world countries today every year nearly 25,000 These multinational corporations have people die from the use of pesticides their ways of doing things. Many ex- which are not being manufactured in the perts come who are utilised by Union West because they are considered poiso- Carbide. They know very well how to nous and hazardous for safety. Now utilise these spokesmen. They can speak they say that it is better to control these out as if all the blame lies on the part of things by natural process instead of using the Indian Government and not on any these poisonous pesticides. In the third of them. One of their very noble laurea- world countries, because the labour is tes came to India and somebody asked very cheap, they set up their factories him about the Bhopal tragedy. He said earning more profits. In the western ‘this may happen because Government of countries, they are more conscious about Iodia always insists on having the equip- their safety than ourselves. So these ments manufactured in India itself and multinational corporations are trying to perhaps those equipments utilised in this see that such poisonous gases are manu- Union Carbide Plant must be of Indian factured in the developing, third world manufacture’. As if it is a crime on our countries where labour is very cheap, and pait to insist on indigenous manufacture where they could get many concessions of equipments and plants and machineries. also. MR. CHAIRMAN : Utilising that In this connection I would like to quote kind of the equipment may be culpable what Dr. P.N. Haksar has said. It is negligence. an interesting observation. He said :— SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI : “ Research work done at the Union Now, they are trying to build up a case. Carbide Centre at Bhopal was of dubious nature and it might be Now, I would like to know from the hon. Minister—it is good that the Government linked with the research in che- has taken a very serious view of this mical warfare.” tragedy—as to how much claims have Dr. P.N. Haksar has written an arti- been processed for the last three months cle about it. Now, the question which and what is the actual amount of com- arises is this. Who granted this licence pensation that the Government of India for this MIC Gas production ? Why were has in view for the extensive damage that 100 tonnes of MIC stored at a time has been caused ? I think some figures in the factory ? Was there no system should be given so that we know to what of monitoring and supervision there ? extent the damage has been caused. The usual process adopted is to manufacture a tonne every hour or so, instead Sir, 1 was reading an American news- of storing hundred tonnes at a time. paper. Perhaps hundred of cases have These are very vital questions which have been filed in different courts in America. got to answered. Sir, you have experience that in regard to 269 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6,1907 (SAKA) (Processing of Claims) Bill .270 the court matters one court may differ tonnes of gas leaked within a day and from the other and the judgement flowed close to the the earth, it caused of one court may differ from inflammation in the eyes and pain in the that of the other. So, ultimately, chests of the people, due to which many they will have to go to the Federal Court people died. It took three weeks for and if the judgement of the Federal Court ths Govern n:nt to constitute a C j n nis- is in their favour, where do we stand ? sion of Inquiry. Eleven weeks have The multinational corporations have been since passed and we do not know what so powerful and they have accomplices repott that commission has submitted. also in the Third World countries to Even after 1 1 weeks; We do not know support them. Today, they are the big- who has been found guilty according to gest exploiters of the Third World coun- the report. tries. Therefore, as a sovereign country, can we not immediately ask for taking Now, you have brought forward this over 51 % equity share of the Unit and Bill. You have said that after this Bill start functioning on our own without is passed and it becomes an Act, you will waiting for the judgement of the American do the needful. How much time will it Courts? We do not know what the take ? I do not know whether your Federal Court’s judgement would be. Department of Law have thought about Nobody knows about it. all the powers which are proposed to be vested with the commissioner—about PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur) ; How which clause 6 says— can we do that ? [ English ] SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI ; “ For the purpose of assisting it in dis- Ours is a sovereign country and we can charging its functions under this do that. All the Third World countries Act, the Central Government may today are unitedly fighting against all the appoint an officer, to be known multinational corporations. It is not that as the Commissioner for the India alone will do that. It is the biggest welfare of the victims of the challenge of the 21st century that we are Bhopal gas leak disaster, and such going to face. Therefore, I am happy other officers and employees to that this Bill is brought forward and our assist him as that Government Prime Minister has taken a very serious may deem fit.” view of this Bhopal tragedy and the Government is seized of this matter as to Who will be that officer and what will be how to provide adequate compensation to his qualifications ? Will he be a High the victims. Here only India's sove- Court Judge, or an SDO or Collector ? reignty comes. It is not the What do you mean by an officer ? question of getting compensation of $2 million or so for our victims. It is how we exercise our sovereignty when such a Then sub-clause (2) : disaster has overtaken our people. So, we i must take care of these multinationals “ The Commissioner shall discharge corporations in the future. such functions as may be assigned to him by the Scheme.” With these words, I support this Bill.
T i Where is the scheme ? [Translation] [Translation] SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Pali) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, on the night of 2nd Now, what would be this scheme 7 and 3rd December, the demons of death You have brought forward this Bill, but ran amuck and claimed many lives in your scheme is not ready. When the Bhopal. These 45 tonnes of gas were scfre.ne Is “not ready, what work can bt flowing close to the earth. When 45 1 doDe on it, * 271 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 {Processing o f Claims) Bill 272
SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS (Bhil- [ English] wara) : You have not gone through this MR. CHAIRMAN : Mr. Daga, may Bill. I invite your attention to clause 9 (3) ? Please go through it. It says that after SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA ; If the scheme is framed, it shall be laid on you have gone through it, please do tell the Table of the House. me. It is now over months, but your scheme is not ready as yet. You tell me SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : It the number of people who died in this will be laid after this Bill is passed. disaster, the number of people who became blind, the number of those who are MR. CHAIRMAN : Definitely. suffering from eye diseases and the number of people whose property was des- SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : Is troyed. What figures have you got in the scheme available ? this regard ? MR. CHAIRMAN : After it is pre- You have said in clause 9— pared it will be laid. Hon. Minister will lay it on the Table of the House. [English] “ The Central Government shall, for SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : What carrying into effect the purposes is the harm if we can do it along with of this Act, frame by notification this Bill ? in the official Gazette a scheme as soon as may be after the commen- [Translation] cement of this A ct/’ When you have not prepared the scheme as yet, naturally you cannot tell Where is that scheme ? i us the details of the suit which you are going to file for compensation. If a [Translation] person dies in an air crash, you pay him This is how you are preparing that Rs. 1 lakh as compensation. In case scheme. You have brought forward this of a death caused by an accident— Bill in the House and you are going to delegate all these powers, but so far you [English'] do not have any scheme as to what you ‘‘Under the Workmen’s Compensation are going to determine. The powers Act, the amount payable to Work- proposed to be veste dare— men in the event of death ranges from Rs. 10,000 to Rs. 40,000 [English] and in case of permanent total disablement from Rs. 10,000 to Then, “ A scheme may provide for all Rs. 42,000. Naturally, this or any of the following matters, relates to compensation payable namely : only to workmen and not to members of the public. In the (e) amounts which the Central case of India Railways, liability is Government may, after due limited to Rs. 1 lakh in the event appropriation made by of death. Indian Airlines, how- Parliament by law in this ever, offers compensation of Rs. behalf credit to the fund 2 lakhs for death or injury which referred to...... ** results in permanent total disablement.” [Translation] From the aforesaid it appears that it [Translation] is still hot clear as to what compensation So, please tell us how you would pay will be paid to the people. them the compensation or what your 273 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing of Claims) Bill 21A
formula would be for that. You cannot 1500 human lives but has also directly even tell us what the extent of compensa- affected about 1.5 lakh people. More tion would be. The people say that if a than this number have been affected in suit for compensation is filed in India, other ways. Apart from those who have commensurate with India's conditions directly suffered, there are a large number comparatively less amount of compensa- of people who have suffered pychological tion would be granted and now that you damage, It is difficult to describe in are filing the suit in the U.S.A., would words ths atmosphere which prevailed in you be getting more compensation ? The the entire city of Bhopal at that time. doctors who diagnosed also have said Not only human lives were lost, but a that ihey could nol identify the substance large number of cattle also perished. At which caused the deaths. This could be this stage, I feel it my duty to mention utilised by the defence to challenge the that soon after this tragedy occurred, our claim for compensation on the plea that State Goverment promptly took all steps Dr. Gopal and his wife were able to find to deal with the situation. Orders were traces of cyanate and could cure the issued at once to all the 21 hospitals of patients by neutaralizing this cyanate. the city and all the dispensaries to treat Since it was not done earlier, the deaths the victims of the gas tragedy with selfless in Bhopal continued to occur and no devotion. Here, I also want to tell the treatment for this could be given. You House that 700 doctors were pressed into tell me what are the statements of yojr service, out of whom over two hundred experts. The experts are telling us that were called from outside. Many mobile all this happened due to our negligence and permanent dispensaries were opened, and our mistake. Wny were the provi- through which proper treatment was sions of the Factory Act not complied provided to the people. With a view to with ? Did the Government ever take savery the people from hunger, many any action against the offenders ? This camps were set up where arrangements matter was never investigated into. So, were made to provide free food and milk. all these points go in favour of the Our State Government of Madhya Pra- defence. Are the Government in a posi- desh made arrangements to provide 200 tion to reply to all these points ? Are the ml, of milk per unit...... ( Interruptions) Government in a position to tell us how Not only this the Government also made many people have been affected by this arrangemnts to provide compensation of gas leakage, how many children to be Rs. 10,000, Rs. 2000 and Rs. 1000 born in future would be affected, how respectively, to those whose lives could n any of then would become disabled, not be saved or who were seriously how many of them would be deformed ? infuced The Government made proper Nobody is tell us all this. As long as arrangements to provide relief to the our scheme is not completaly ready and people. This helped in restoring a sense the Government do not fiile the suit, it is of confidence in the minds of the people of no use of it. You want to delegate to a great extent. Owing to this confidence, the powers, you may do so and a Bill for you have seen that the people have this purpose has come before the House elected Shri Pradhan to this House with but there are certain aspects of the Bill a massive majority. [ want to mention which should be finalised in the House this also because I know very well that itself. The scheme is not yet ready and the intention of our Government is to I went that full details thereof should be provide all possible relief to the people. incorporated in the Bill. We should not delegate all the powers to the bureaucrats. Our Rajiv ji is fully aware of the tragedy and on the 4th instant he met the SHRI LAL VUAY PRATAP SINGH people in Bhopal and listened to their (Sarguja) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I rise to tales of woe and issued appropriate support the Bill introduced by the hon. orders in this regard. Minister. It will not be an exaggeration if I say that the Bhopal Gas Tragedy was Mr. Chairman, sir. keeping in view the most horrifying tragedy of this cen- the catastrophic tragedy that accurred tury. it has not only claimed 1400 or in Bhopal and the various steps taken * 275 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (processing of Claims) Bill 276
[Shri Lai Vijay Pratap Singh] U.S.A. ? They have their own law, by the Government in this regard, it is for their own citizens. We are not their my belief that the facilities provided to citizens. It is difficult to understand the victims of the tragedy are negligible how their law of paying compensation as compared to the horrowing experi- will app'y to our citizens. So, what ence and trauma which they had to . is required is, and that is what we ask undergo. These facilities need to be the Government to do,to set up immedi- enhanced. ately tribunals to dispose of these matters. That is the first question. So far as the question of filing a suit In the Courts in our country or in foreign The second question is, that so far as countries is concerned. it is for the the victims care concerned, in the contents Government to take a decision in this it is said that the Government act on regard. But I must say this much behalf of the victims, and that they will that ours is a backward State andthe take care of the victims ; that is all voice of the people of that state cannot welcome. But the point is how to assess be raised here but through this Bill, the damage that has been done ? We that backward area would receive suitable have been officially told that the death attention and the people there would toll is not more than 2,500. But there feel secure. are reports that more than 7,000 have died. That is the report. [English] There are reports that 7,000 coffiins were used. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY (Katwa) ; Mr. Chairman, this Bill reflcets the confuscd mind of the Gover- AN HON. MEMBER : Who has ment. In the Statement of Objects and reported ? ’ Reasons it has been said : SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY ; We know. We have our agencies also. Why are they defending when such a “The legal position examined carefully large scale disaster took place ? with reference to the laws obtaining in the United States of America and in our country MR. CHAIRMAN : Please address and in the light of the exami- the Chair. nation it was felt that/spccial * provisions should be made for SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY : processing the claims ** They should not act as an agent of Union *i. Carbide.
It means, disposal of the claims also. MR. CHAIRMAN : If any Member ■ Now, if that is so, where is that provision speaks sitting, please do not attach any in this Bill ? What is required for this importance to that. And please address is) to set up a special tribunal which will the Chair and not the Member. go into the aspect of compensation and that tribunal will dispose of everything. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY : * r There is an attempt to destroy the «>Iow one point has been raised, that evidence. We want to know the people is, to go to the U S.A. and to file the . who are doing that. Union Carbide case. The argument advanced is that has ar, interest to show the contamination we will get more money. What actioh in,a very lower level. Actually reports J has been taken for the grant of relief ? 1 are coming from different corners that It is difficult to understand from this ? the gravity of disaster is much more. Bill. - We have our own law. If we 5 We have to assess it. Has the Govern- feel that it is insufficient to ; achieve 1 ment set up any machinery to assess desired compensation, we can make the extent of the disaster ? ‘Hundreds amendments to the • Act, if that is what of "reports are coming in the presi that ‘ intended. What is the law of the due to this disaster blindness is taking ' i - * \ ■ ... 1 w. / i 277 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing of Claims) Bill 278
place. Union Carbide has denied that. Those who will be born in future will be I am afraid that Government has also bearing the reaction of this gas. For denied that some time or the other. them also you have to make laws so that ICMR and Tata Institute of Social those who are making so much money Sciences have conducted surveys. They and transferring in to their country, they have proved that blindness is taking have to pay a. certain amount in the com- place. It is affecting kidney and the ing so many years for the benefit of the brain. The oxygen carrying capacity of people of that area who have suffered' the cells is being destroyed. That will \ because of their negligence. An attempt lead to leukaemia and cancer. Another is being made by Anderson and others horrifying report has come that cyanide also that we Indians are at fault and what poison has been traced in the victims. That they are feeling is that their reputation has been confirmed by the doctors. Union has been damaged because of this inci- Carbide is trying to deny that. But the dent. They are trying to say that they the patients, who are treated with sodium are not at fault and it could be an act of thiosulphate, have shown some improve- sabotage. I must say that some people ment, That suggests that they had on their behalf are trying to say that they cyanide p *isoning. Two years ago, in do not have any responsibility and some the Company’s journal they had that suggestions are being made that it is for report published the MIC can decompose the victims of for our country to prove into cyanide in a particular degree of that there has been some negligence on temperature. But they with held that their part and then only we can sue them information from their people in- Bhopal. in the court. That is a very wrong inter- It came in ‘The Times of India. pretation of the law. The fact is that they had stored MIC in their plant. The We must assess the extent of damage, English law is there which was applied its reaction on vegetable, water, flora in the case of Royland V/s Flature. and and fauna and future generation. It is that law is commonly applied by other not a question of compensation alone, countries also. That is the law of strict lia- For that we have to set up something of bility. Union Carbide is responsible for our own. We do not know whether this disaster and they have to pay for the US court will accept or reject our this. They have employed 400 persons claims. How is it that a foreign company, to propagate that they are not guilty. which has established its plant here, is Their line of propaganda is we poor not bound by our law ? They were doing Indians are not very intelligent people research, but we did not have any access and those Indians who were in charge of to know about that. We could not this plant, are responsible for this. monitor that. They did it in the name MR. CHAIRMAN : Indians but appo- of trade secret. In that plant they used inted by them. to do research for chemical warfare. They could keep it secret and we do not SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY ; have any law to know about that. What Yes, appointed by them. But the point were the terms of reference when this is, as admitted by Union Carbide’s spo- plant was set up ? That is all secret ; kesman Jackson Browning, no advance we know nothing about that. We have warning computer system, obligatory for to take it very seriously. We have to their enterprise in U.S., was there at make amendment in our law to get the Bhopal. I want to know how is it that due compensation. We will have to before giving permission to instal such a assess the damages. We can charge plant, we did not care to see whether them punitive compensation also. Union' safety measures are being taken or not* Carbide is the seventh among the world Who is responsible for that ? Central chemical giants and 17th among 200 Government is responsible or the Madhya top multi-nationals. They take away Pradesh Government 7 I want to know crores of rupees from our country. It when collaborations are entered into with is very difficult to fix certain compen- foreign companies, do we have a model sation. It has certain future repercussions Act to regulate these companies, Do wo also. have any scope for a public scrutiny of 279 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing of Claims) Bill 280 [Shri Saifuddin Chowdhury] arising out of, or connected with, ' the Bhopal gas leak disaster are those companies ? . Now comments have been offered by many scientists that they dealt with speedily, effectively, were using obsolete technology for manu- equitably and to the best advantage of the claimants and for facturing the pesticides. There was a safer technology, Why that was not matters incidental thereto." used ? Because they had nothin}? to do [Translation] with the pesticides, they had the intention to do something more heinous in our The aforesaid points form the basis country, which they are not permit- of the Bill. As regards the provisions of ted to do in their own country. the Bill, has any agency been set up to So, they are culprits and we must give complete information with regard to deal with them as culprits. You the people who have died because of may try to sue them in a court, you may this gas leakaee, or who have been try to get some compensation, that is all affected or have fallen sick or have been right, but my point is that you have disabled or have become blind or fallen made a provision in the Bill regarding victim to other diseases ? From this entering into a compromise. You may side, it was said that the number of say it is a legal term or a technical term persons who loet their lives is 2500; or anything, but T am very much op- This is the official figure. But from the posed to that, We cannot enter into any other side it was claimed that 7000 compromise with them. You can say persons had died. So Government settlement out of the court or something should provide information m this regard else, but the word compromise hurts our so that the people could know about the reputation. Therefore, you have either number of- persons who lost their lives, to drop this word or substitute it with who were affected by the gas leakage, any other word. who lost their eye-sight and, in case of pregnant women, the number of cases MR. CHAIRMAN : If they concede where the baby either died in the womb to all the claims ? or became blind, or was disabled. Have you set up any machinery to collect such SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY : infor'mation ? So long as this assessment But the word compromise is the reflection is not made, how can you file a suit for of a very bad mind, Sir. No compro- compensation in America or here ? Unless mise should be there. this information is available, to whom At the end, I must say that whatever will you pay the compensation ? There- has happened at Bhopal, should not recur fore, it is absolutely necessary for the in our country and for that we require a hon. Minister to make arrangements model Act which will monitor all such for the Collection of this information on foreign collaborations and provide for the the basis of which claims can be processed public scrutiny of such companies also. and paid to the people. I,‘Want to know what are you going to do in that regard. With these words I Our Government have all along been conclude. providing relief wherever such calamities have occurred. The Government of India [Translation] and the State Governments have always been providing relief. You must have SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS (Bhil- seen in today’s 1Times of Ind'd1 about the wara) : Mr, Chairman, Sir, I support relief arrangenments made by the State the Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster (Processing Government. They spent Rs 10 crores of claims) Bill 1985, Through this Bill, for this purpose. Compensation to the the hon. Minister wants to acquire tunes of Rs. 1000, Rs. 2000 or Rs. 3000 some powers : was provided. Arrangements for food [English] and medicines were made and medical facilities were also provided. But what “ to confer powers on the Central is happening today ? The State Govern- Government to secure that c/amis ment do not have the resources to fur- 281 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing of Claims) Bill 282
ther provide medicines and food for pensation. When all of us sitting here, them. Then, who will make these ihcluding you, Mr. Chairman, were fight- arrangements ? Thousands of people ing our grim battle on the ballot boxest have been affected by this gas tragedy Bhopal was undergoing one of the big- and they are unable to earn their liveli- gest disasters ever recorded in the history hood. The Government should ponder of the world industrial units. On the over it and, make some arrangements for night of 2nd and 3rd December, there them. These arrangements have not been was a gas leakage from the plan belong- made so far. I would like to invite the ing to the Union Carbide. As a result attention of the hon. Minister to this fact hundreds of persons who came in the and request him to make some way of gas flow died. In the case of arrangements in this regard, other- several others, there was damage to their wise thousands of people would die vital part9-eycs, chests and limbs, Thou- of starvation. Thousands of people have sands of people left Bhopal on the 3rd of died in this holocaust and their families December in panic. This grim tragedy have been given some monetary help by has left certain prominent scars on the you but this cannot provide them a living town of Bhopal which was once the gar- for ever. Now their ration, mlik and den city of India. It has not only created medical facilities are being stopped be- problems of compensation, but has also cause they eannot be provided on a per- created certain health and environmental petual basis. The Government of Mad- problems, in front of which, in my hum- hya Pradesh also cannot make perpetual ble opinion, the compensation problem arrangements for all these things. I would .is very neglegible, ' therefore, like to know what arrangements have been made for the widows and the Even though this Bill deals only with orphans there 7 compensation, I feel that apari from the compensation aspect, there are other aspects, which should also be brought into There is one more thing which has light in this august House. been mentioned by other hon. Member also. The Union Carbide is an American There was an element of fear and sus- Company and it has pleaded that this gas picion created among all the citizens of leakage was caused by sabotage. What Bhopal. And it goes to the full credit steps are being taken by our Government of the State Government which rose to to prove that the gas leakage was not due the occasion. It never allowed the law to sabotage but due to negligence on the and order problem to go out of hand. part of the Company 7 The health cover and other reliefs were given by the Government, semi-Govern- The last thing I want to say is regard- ment and social organisations and the m ing compensation. Lakhs of people have situation was controlled. been affected by this tragedy and in future Though the situation was controlled, also, the effects of the gas would be felt you will agree with me that the disaster on vegetation and human health, What and its demages could not be arrangements are being made to pay com- controlled, they can only be cured. pensation for this 7 In what way would Unfortunately wrong publicity was you ask that company to pay compensa- given about the number of people tion to ths people so that they could get who have died and the number of people some relief ? I would request the hon. who are suffering from health hazards. I Minister to pay special attention to this think one of the victims of wrong publi- aspect. With these words, I support the city was our hon Member who was say- Bill. - ■ * i ' * < * ing that >0,000 people have died and 7000 coffins were counted!. It is on fEnglish] record of the State Government, they SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN (Jabalpur) : have taken the statistics from various Mr. Chairman, Sir, I welcome the Bill burial grounds and cremation grounds and which has been introduced by the hon. the figures which have been given officially Minister for the Bhopal gas disaster com- are found correct. In this Bill which is 283 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing o f Claims) Bill 284
[Shri Ajay Mushran] stmctionist activities of the multinational Union Carbide must be arrested and 1 am to be enacted I feel that it is not the very sure the hon. Law Minister is very number of deaths, but it is the impact very conscious of this problem and the which this disaster has left, temporary or hon. Health Minister will make a declara- ever-lasting, which is to be fought and I tion or a statement in this House. If he personally feel that when this compensa- is serious about arresting the ill-effects, tion is to be paid and this Bill has been the far-reaching effects of this gas tragedy, brought forward, it cannot encompass all he should immediately dcclare opening of things and all provisions. Therefore, a health research centre so that he will rules will be made and certain other sche- come to know as to what are the effects mes will be formulated. As Shri Dagaji of this gas on the human and animal' life was saying, it is not possible to include in Bhopal, and the future generations all the things here, but 1 am sure the hon. will bless this House for taking such a Minister will take note of ihis and as farsighted decision, soon as it is possible, those rules will be made and those schemes will be formulated. Otherwise this enactment will [Translation] not serve any purpose at all. SHRI BALKAV1 BAIRAGI : (Mand- saur) : Mr Chairman, Sir, I support Today the problem is as I was sub- this Bill. As the time is short, I there- mitting earlier, more of health rather than fore, fully endorse the views expressed by anything else. Beside what the Stale my colleague, Shri K.N, Pradhan, who Government has done, there is an has been elected from Bhopal. He gave immediate need to insti'ute a research a poignant description of the conditions centre and infrastructure for this should be prevailing there and the House has also created The hon. Health Minister is come to know of the sufferings of the here So, research facilities should be people of Bhopal through him. There- immediately created in Bhopal so that fore, this problem must receive our atten- today when you have the people who are tion. I would begin with the suggestion suffering, it will create a ready-made res- that whether you file the suit in India or earch work on objects that will be availa- in America, you must contest the case ble to you. The more the delay, Mr. with full determination and spend what- Health Minister, the more you lose the ever money is required to realise the value of research work, and if this dis- maximum possible compensation from aster has taken place in Bhopal, there is the multinational company which has ^ no point in setting up a research centre played with human lives in India, consi • in Delhi or Bangalore or Madras. It dering that the country is backward and should be set up in Bhopal only. The poor. It is quite necessary to do so earlier the better; you will serve the peo- and for this purpose you may come be- ple of Bhopal not only from the com- before this House as many times as you pensation point of view, but from the feel necessary and get the necessary legis- health point of view and the generations lation passed. In this matter, the House of people in Bhopal will be indebted to reposes its confidence in you and I am the House for having taken a step which sure that the entire country is with you. will go a long way in arresting all the ill- effects which have been created by the Now, I want to raise an important leakage of MIC. matter to which attention has not been paid so far and I am sure that 1 am rais- So far as the compensations are con- ing this matter in the House for the first cerned, the State Government has paid a time. As a result of this disaster, many very meagre sum which it could afford children have been orphaned and they from its own funds, but the other schemes are the children of Hindus, Muslims and which the hon. Minister will be having in Christians and no one is there to look mind for quick compensation should after them, or to wipe off their tears. include easy representation by the claim- No one is left to think about their edu- ants and the effective and deliberate bo- cation and treatment. In such a situa- 285 Bhopal Gas te a k Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing o f Claims) Bill 286 tion an international conspiracy can be he should consider the setting up of a hatched and foreign agencies might take Medical Research Centre in Bhopal, for these children out of the country in the which we would be thankful to him. * name of adoption. I appeal to all the political, social and religious in situations ♦SHRT R. ANNANAMBI (Pollachi) : to ensure that these children are adopted Mr. Chairman, Sir, on behalf of my by some institutions or families and they party the All India Anna Dravida remain in this country following their Munnetra Kazhagam. I rise to say a few respective religions and live with respect. words on The Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster If these children go out of India, their (Processing of Claims) Bill, 1 985. names, religion, etc., would be changed, and when they grow up, they would spit Sit, this lethal gas leak took place on on our faces thinking that these were 2nd and 3 December, 1984 at Bhopal, the people who in their youth and old At the same lime in Tamil Nadu and in age threw them out of the country and Andhra Pradesh there was disastrous did nothing to wipe off their tears. cyclone in which thousands of common I would request the Government of people were afflicted. In Tamil Nadu Madhya Pradesh that at least for the ■ our beloved leader Puratchi Thalaivar next 20 years they must make provision Dr. M G. R’s State Government took in their Budget for the education, em- prompt steps for alleviating the misery ployment and special facilities for these of the masses. Similarly. in Andhra children so that they may not feel help- Pradesh, Shri N.T. Ramarao’s Stale less and the Central Government should Government rendered immediate relief also advise the Slate Government to this assistance to the afflicted people. Here, effect. on tl e 4th of December, 1984, the worthy son of the former great Prime This legislation which has been brought Minister Mrs. Indira Gandhi who today here has a specific purpose and relates personifies in himself the hopes and to the Bhopal gas tragedy. Therefore, aspirations of young India and who is I would like to submit that keeping in at the helm/of affairs of the country, view all the multinational companies rushed to Bhopal to console the people working in our country, a new Bill in distress. He took personal interest should be drafted which should provide in the relief measures. He assured for prompt action in case of recurrencc through Press and Radio that the Govern- of such a tragedy. • ment of India will spare no efforts to ensure immediate relief to the victims Endorsing the views of Shri Daga, of this tragedy. From his Relief Fund, Shri Vyas and Shri Mushran, I would he gave financial assistance. Our Prime say that it should be investigated whether Minister, Shri Rajiv Gandhi, has end- it was a conspiracy or whether we were eared himself to the entire nation by subjected to some experiment in Bhopal. taking prompt and quick decisions in this regard. The State Government of Lastly, I would say that in Bhopal Madhya Pradesh also deserves appro- there are three categories of people affect- bation for maintaining law and order ed by the poisonous gas : those who during the two days of chaos. have died ; those who are dying ; and those who will be still-born or will take 16.00 hrs. birth but will die due to this reason. The hon. Minister should coosider all Sir, I have to say that these two days these aspects and make some arrangements were the days of total gloom in human to heal their wounds. In these efforts all history. These two days also revealed of us will share your burden. how human greed does not hesitate to exploit human misery also. From all If the hon. Health Minister is listening over the world the newspaper men and to me, then I would submit to him .that photographers descended upon this city — . — . . T 1 *The speech was originally delivered in Tamil.
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[Shri R. Annanambi] declared Rs. 10,000 for the dependents .of deceased, 2000 for the grievously of misery. They took photographs of injured and Rs. 1000 for those suffering the suffering people ; they mindlessly from simple injuries. Only a few people asked questions of the people in sorrow. got this financial assistance. There was Many lawyers from the USA also came some confusion about the definition of to Bhopal. They took thumb impressions grievous injury and simple injury. The and signatures of the victims, assuring Government of Madhya Pradesh ordered them that they would file against Union a survey to be completed first. Carbide in U.S A. and get them com- Unfortunately that survey came to a pensation. They did not bring the much grinding halt in the middle and the finan- needed medicines with têm; on thi other cial assistance has also stopped I hand, they wanted to drag the Company demand th;.t this survey should be into endless litigation. We cannot just completed expeditiously and the financial say ihat this tragedy occurred as a assistance must be rendered to the victims consequence of Union Carbide’s neglig- of this tragedy. I would also suggest ence. We have to condemn the callous that N.K. Singh Commisson’s report approach of the Company in extending should be expedited. The guilty should instantaneous medical advice to the be punished at the earliest, before the private Doctors who were beseiged by relevant evidence is destroyed. With the victims. Those living outside the these words, 1 once again support this* compound of the factory perished. When Bill pf human compassion and resume the gas started moving many others felt my seat. the irritation in the eyes. The Company Doctors knew the palliatives for this. But they did not advise rhe private SHRI AZIZ QURESHI (Satna) : Mr. medical practitioners to adopt such Chairman, Sir, Bhopal, which is the treatment. These Company Doctors capital of a very large Stale of Madhya should be proceeded against in the Courts Pradesh, which is surrounded by the hills for this blatant crime. of Vindhyachal, which is beautified by ponds and lakes, where the evenings arc Again it is our young Prime Minister. pleasant and the atmosphere is melodious Shri Rajiv Gandhi who rushed the and full of piety, became the victim of a Attorney General to the USA fur big disaster. Sir, that same beautiful getting a personal assessment of the city became the city of death on the night development in the USA. Immediately of 2nd and 3rd December. No one he has ensured the promulgation of the remained to take care of the widowed, the Ordinance by the President for getting uprooted and the helpless people and the claims dealt with speedify, effectively, women who lost their children; equitably and to the best advantage of the claimants. He has brought this Sirp I agree that no words are adequate Bill to substitute the Ordinance. Now to commendthe work done by the Madhya the Central Government will have the Pradesh Government and the Chief Mini- necessary powers for protecting the ster and particularly by our Prime Mini- people afflicted in this tragedy and for ster to provide relief to the frightened preventing legal deception. I am sure people of Bhopal. But there are ceitain that the Central Government will rescue doubts which still frighten the ' people of the hapless victims from unscrupulous Bhopal and compel them to live under lawyers. I will take the opportunity to the shad<9w of death. I want that the suggest the constitution of National hon. Minister should pay heed to those Calamities Fund, both for natural questions and assure the House that the calamities like earthquake, floods etc. Government would take action in that and also for scientific disasters like thrs. regard. 16.04 hrs. Sir, the first question which is still [Mr. Deputy Speaker tn their chair] causing fear and apprehension in the minds of the people and about which The Madhya Pradesh Government had prominent newspapers of Madhya Pradesh 289 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) {Processing of Claims) Bill 290
have also reported, is that in the Union of gas. I feel it may not be possible foe Carbide factory, gas is still left in the the committee to go into this aspect be- tanks and it has not been completely cause Union Carbide authorities can use neutralised and at any time the gas may their influence at any level. I would leak and Government may have to get the like the hon. Minister to constitute a whole of Bhopal vacated to get the gas committee of the Members of Lok Sabha tanks emptied. The newspapers there have to get this aspect examined. I want that published a news to this effect and have the hon. Minister should clarify the given figures. I am saying this because position in this regard. so far neither the Madhya Pradesh Government nor the Central Government Sir, I have said earlier also that the have given any clarification about it nor Government of Madhya Pradesh have * have they contradicted it. Thus, the done a lot which is commendable but people there are still living in the shadow you must go and see the condition of the of death. thousands of poor workers who are living a hapless life. You should prepare a Sir, the second thing towards which I scheme for their rehabilitation. Unless would like to draw the attention of the we guarantee continued employment to House is that a large section of the those widows and orphans who have lost people feel that the incident which has all their family members, the purpose of taken place in Bhopal is not an ordinary this Bill will not be served. I would, one and that it was a rehearsal and an therefore, urge the hon. Minister in the experiment in chemical warfare which the name of the widows and the orphans and imperialists carried out in Bhopal. I am other people of Bhopal in distress that not the only one to say this; the Chair, you may bring forward whatever Bill you mail of the World Peace Council said want, you may file any case in the Indian this in Bhopal at a press conference where or the American Courts, but your decision correspondents of ail the Indian news- will not be fruitful till the affected people papers were present. This has not been accept it fully. There is a court above contradicted by the Government of India all the courts and that is the historian of or the Madhya Pradesh Government. Not the future. It is he who will analyse your only this, a prominent leader of an all as well as our actions and it is posterity India recognised party, who belongs to that will decide whether we discharged Madhya Pradesh, disclosed in Bhopal our responsibility properly or not. I that two American Military Generals had would like to say to the hon. Minister visited Bhopal and stayed in the Union that if we fail in discharging our duties Carbide factory two days prior to this then the historian as well as posterity incident. This has been published in the will put us in the dock and curse us for newspapers. This experiment was con- ever. I would urge the hon. Minister ducted under their supervision and this not to disappoint posterity and the future too has not been contradicted or clarified historian, and our course of action should by the Government. be such, as may not give a chance to the future historian to raise finger against us. Sir, the third thing which I would like With these words, I support the Bill. to submit is that the Union Carbide have levelled charges against the Madhya Pra- desh Government and Vice Versa, which [English] have yet to be decided. I would like to SHRJ NARAYAN CHOUBEY (Mid- ask the hon. Minister whether he has napore) : Sir, while introducing this made inquiries to find out whether the Bill, the Minister has said that it is the electrified system in the Union Carbide firm intention df the Government to se- factory in Bhopal which is installed in cure just and fair compensation either every factory of this type, was function- inside India or outside India, either in the ing Under this system, there are arrange- Indian court or in the U.S. court. This ments to burn ths gas automatically with is a limited Bill ; the Bill has the' limited electric current in case there is leakage intention of securing compensation only. 291 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing o f Claims) Bill 292
[Shri Narayan Choubey] who were healthy at that time are now But the tragedy of Bhopal is not limited weak. People who were not having ail- to this thing only, The Government is ments are now having ailments. People quite silent on this matter. The Bhopal who should work at that time cannot gas leakage tragedy is the biggest environ- work now. So all these effects are mental disaster in India—not only in continuing. Labourers cannot go to their India but in the whole world. Do you places of work. Women cannot perform know how many people died ? They say their duties. This is what is going on. 2,500, but some people say that the number is much more ; people maimed Regarding treatment, the ICMR had and injured—more than two lakhs ; an extensive and rigorous testing and they people who are suffering from acute have prove that cynade poisoning is very troubles—more than 50.000. For three much present in Bhopal. Even the post- days continuously the Times o f India mortem conducted by the Government was giving reports-and illustratively it is has proved that cynade poisoning was quite clear what suffering Bhopal is going present in those bodies. But the medi- through. These 50,000 people have cines which are being supplied are not serious ailments of kidney, eye, liver, the corrcct medicines. The main medi- brain, respiration, etc and a vest majo- cine which is required is Sodium dio- rity of the people have lost iheir power sulphate is not being supplied in many to work. They cannot go to work. All places. Not only that, what ihe ICMR these things have been done in Bhopal. has proved after extensive and rigorous Even some of our friends of the Congress testing, attempts are made to dilute it. Party are saying very correctly that it is Such is the influence of this multi- the act of the mulii-national corporation national corporation that they have been whom Communists regard as enemies of successfull in influencinp a large number the world people... (Interruptions). So of physicians and doctors at Bhopal. you also regard them as enemies. It is And now the Bhopal doctors or at least fine. To-day you are inviting multi- a section of them are propagating that nationals in other ways if not these chc- cynade poison is not present or attempts mical people. You are inviting multi- are being made to create confusion, And nationals in other ways. Perhaps such a naturally the scientific ; treatment which tragedy has never taken place anywhere is supposed to be given there to the pain the world afier Hiroshima and Naga- tients is now turning into a symptomatic saki. And this trapedy is not atragedy treatment and the scientific treatment like an earthquake or flood or any other thpt is suggested by ICMR is yet to come natural disaster. It is man-made. And to these people of Bhopal who are still this gas which was leaked was a gas suffering. Naturally, I do want as our which some people say this company has other friends also have wanted that some been using in preparation of weapons, special hospitals to meet the occasion or gas weapons which are used in Vietnam. at least one such hospital should be set Such things were perhaps being prepared up in Bhopal so that the real treatment here and perhaps just now as my friend can be given. It has been proved that of the Congress Party said that perhaps the treatment given by ICMR is much it was their testing ground. You know more effective than the one being given pretty well that these multi-national cor- by other doctors only on symptoms. porations use the third-world countries i j as their guinea pigs for their tests and Regarding relief the less said the better. ' perhaps it was their testing site. So I Paper reports give a picture of an appall- hope that the Government should rise to ing state of affairs. Several thousands of the occasion. As yet the Government people affected by this tragedy as yet ;1 has not risen have received no relief because they have no ration cards. Only ration card holders The suffering of Bhopal has not ended. have been given relief and ?rc be:ng given It is still continuing. The reports in the relef. Those people who have no ration Times of India have said that when they cards did not ge' relief Sir. much talk visited Bhopal three months ago people has been made about 1 2 kg wheatj milk,
J 293 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6 1907 (SAKA) (Processing o f Claims) Bill 294 etc. having been given to these people. i* May be we are sorry that he is an Indian Already about wheat it has appeared in as he is serving his white masters more the Press thot the quality of wheat is than he serves the people of India. We very bad. It is full of stones and then are also hearing— I do not know why— what actually reached them was only one- that out of court compromise is being fourth. The middlemen are minting attempted. Why 7 Is it not humiliating money whereas Government is spending on the part of Government of India to the money. come to an out of court compromise with Union Carbide, I submit that this thing should stop. Thess cases will take a long I would also like to point out that time to get settled. Mr. Anderson has relief is being given on ad hoc basis, that declared that they are not going to accept is, month to month basis. The last ad hoc any responsibility for these losses; he said relief was ordered to be given just prior that his plant was not at all at fault in to ihe Assembly elections. I beg the any way. He said this categorically in Government of India kindly to continue the USA. Now, if the cases linger in the giving relief. Since elections have ended USA like this, what will happen to the and you hav^ got votes so relief should victims who are numbering lakhs ? How not end. I would also like to say that long can they wait till the cases get settled this relief consisting of wheat, etc. only in the courts 7 What I feel is this. would not do. Suffering people must Government of India, on its own, should have proper medicines and nutritious take steps to compensate the people and food That attempt should be made by then adjust the amount when the case is the government. finally decided. If the case is lingering for 5 or 6 or 7 years the people will be Regarding this case I fail to understand finding solace only in death; compensation why you should go to USA. They did the for them will be only quicker death. I mischief here and why are you going to hope that Government of India will take USA ? Why .can’t you bring them here ? needful action in these matters. With I want to say that the Government is these words I conclude, Thank you. adopting a very callous attitude. Mr. Anderson,, Chairman of this company SHRI K. RAMACH ANDRA REDDY while he came to India was arrested and (Hindupur) : Sir, I am very happy that there was a big flash in the newspapers the Central Government has come for- about his arrest but in the evening he ward with this legislation But the ques- was released. He was not only released tion is, what is it that can be achieved ^ but also brought to the airport and given Is the legislation free of all loopholes ? a VIP goodbye. He was allowed to go Can the court in America or in India in an executive class. So, how can you twist the case and make use of other catch hold of them. loopholes in the Act to the detriment of the claimants ? Sir, I find that three are Sir, the Union Carbide is not going to number of clauses here which are vere bow down easily. Already they are trot- loosely worded. They can be interprtedy ting out their theory that they are not res- in any way you like. What is the real ponsible and sabotage is the main reason intention and thinking of the Government for death to which this thing took place. to help these victims ? The Chairman of So, our Government must be cautious. To- Union Carbide came here; a show of day’s papers state that the Union Carbide arrest was made; he was released on bail people at Bhopal have even refused to and a VIP treatment was meted out to submit the statement before the court at him. This only shows the real intentions Bhopal saying that CBI people have been of the Government. Rash and negligent putting restrictions on their entry into the act has been there on the part of Union factory. Such things are being done. In Carbide. Because of that lakhs and lakhs the meantime we are hearing our Indian of people have suffered; thousands lost brethern who are serving in Union Car- their lives. In such a case what should bide like Shri Harish Mahendra who has have been done by the Government ? said that he is sorry that he is an Indian, They should have immediately launched 295 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing o f Claims) Bill 296
[Shri K. Ramachandra Reddy] that is, entering into compromise, what criminal prosecution under section 304 of is the locus standi ? Are they going to IPC or sections 332'to 336 of the IPC. take the victims into consideration ? But the Government did not do any such All these things have been left out. The thing. The Chairman of Union Carbide intention of the Government is a little was just allowed to go away on bail. If doubtful. By enacting this Act, the the case had been registered under the Government is trying to take a locus above sections he would not have been standi to represent the plaintiff who will allowed to go to the USA. This is only a sue the defendants. case of rash and negligent act on the part of Union Carbide. This factory emits Now, you are amending this Act and gas which is obnoxious. All safety pre- you are trying to say that you have not cautions should have been taken but they the locus standi. Probably this Act may were not taken. I am told that the safety be binding upon the Courts in India. If system became inoperative. That means, you are not going to' prosecute them they did not choose to repair it. Nearly in India but only in America, how is 3 or 4 times earlier there was leakage of this Act binding on American Courts ? gas and some people died. AU these You are supposed to make the claims in things clearly show that Union Carbide American Court. But is this Act binding has not been taking proper precautions in on American Courts ? I do not know the matter. So, there was rash negilgcnce whether the Government has taken due on their part. They did not choose to care in this matter. take necessary precautions to safeguard thepublic against this obnoxious gas. As far as the jurisdiction is concerned, These people should have been prosecutcd now, the cause of action occurred in as I said, under the relevant section which India, victims of the gas stragedy are Imentioned. But the Government did here, the factory is here and the owners not choose to do that. who are the defendants are here. But I do not know why we should go to I will now substantiate my point how America. The reason is that by going this Act is loosely worded. to America, you may get a few chips more, the compensation may be more. Sub-section (3) of Section 3 states ; — But the degree of compensation is not only consideration It is only for a few ‘‘Provided that in the case of any such chips more that they are going to suit or other proceeding with America. If the Government is taking respect to any claim pending into consideration the value of those who immediately before the commence- have lost their lives, those who hwe lost ment of this Act in or before any their parents, lost their wives husbands court or other authority outside and children, I feel the whole money at India, the Central Government the disposal of the Union Carbide will shall represent, and act in place not be a fit compensation for the loss, of, or along with, such claimant, anxiety and torture suffered by the people. if such court or other authority A number of people have suffered a lot so permints.” of injuries and the Government which is so intent to come forward with such a Now, Sir, this is with respect to those legislation, what is it they have done to cases which have been launched prior to safeguard the victims ? What will they the coming of the Act. If the Court do with regard to the victims 7 You permits this, they will act and if the Court did not provide relief to the victims. does not permit, what are they going to You did not get them treated properly. do ? In this way it is highly doubtful if Probably you made a semblance of any justice can be done or they will be treatment and relief till the elections left to their fate. were over.
The second thing is that in the Sub- Now, with regard to those people who Section (2) clause B of the same Section, have suffered injuries, what are the 2$7 Bhopal Ga ? Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing of Claims) Bill 298 as the magnitude of the calamity is con- evidence ? Have you got post mortem cerned, as per the press reports, more certificates or the people who have died ? than two lakh persons have become Have you got certificates of those who are victims of different kinds of diseases injured ? It is said that over 2,500 and no one knows for how many people have died. Some have run away generations the poisonous effects of the from Bhopal immediately after the gas would be felt, as had happened after tragedy, some have died in the fields, the atomic explosion. It was reported in some have died on the way. How are the press some time ba:k thit a child born you going to take these things into after the Bhopal tragedy was found to be account and how are you going to deformed. This is not only a disaster of obtain certificates for them ? After the our time but it will have its impact in the tragedy was over did you make a search coming years as well. of the Union Carbide premises with the help of some experts to find out whe- I am greatly pained to say that the ther the leakage is due to negligence or Central Government have not given due otherwise ? You should be able to prove importance to the tragedy which has taken that the ghastly tragedy occurred due place in Bhopal, the capital of Madhya to negligence of the Union Carbide. Pradesh and one of the biggest cities of What is the proof for this ? You did India. The Government have not treat- not know how the disaster has occurred. ed it as a national tragedy Everything How are you going to prove your has been left to the Madhya Pradesh claim ? Government. So far as Madhya Pradesh is concerned, it appears from the press In any case, it appeirs that this Bill reports and from what the hon. Members has been brought forward to satisfy the have stated in this House, the Madhya public at large and it is not intended to Pradesh Government have also failed in benefit the victims. If you really want their duty. Apparently, the Madhya to benefit the victims, in that case all Pradesh Government spent Rs. 10 crores, the loopholes pointed out by me and but according to the newspaper reports, other hon. Members should be plugged. even the survey work has not been com- Anyhow, I commend this Bill because pleted. The survey work was to be at loast some steps have been taken in undertaken by the Tata Institute of this direction. Bombay in cooperation with Colleges of Social Studies. But they have also given up the job of preparing the report since [Translation] last month. It seems that the incident SHRI ABDUL RASHID KABULI is being presented in a distorted way. (Srinagar) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, A great tragedy has taken place but the Sir, in this august House, a detailed agencies involved in the survey of it are account has been given about the not carrying on their work properly. tragic incident which took place in the A report to this effect has appeared in Metropolitan city of Bhopal, which is a the three consecutive issues of the Times centre of the civilization and the culture o f India in a serialised form and in of India. The disaster which took place other newspapers also. Now the situation there was in no way less intense than is that most of the items of ration which what had happened in Hiroshima and were being provided so far, e g. 15 kg. Nagasaki or the explosion of 1976 in foodgrains, £ kg. sugar, -J kg. oil per Italy which resulted in leakage of gas head, have been discontinued. We are from a pesticide plant and caused not receiving full reports regarding those immense havoc. The tragedy which our thousands and thousands of people who country had to face due to the plant of have died or have been rendered the Union Carbide of U S. A. was a great homeless. The sad part of the whole tragedy. We are “being informed that matter is that in the Bill which has been about 2,500 persons have died there brought forward by the Government there but the correct figure is not being is no mention of compensation. That revealed. It seems that the number of is why we are opposing this Bill. This persons who died is much more. So far Bill is not related to compensation, it 299 tihuihj. I Uus Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing of Claims) Bill 300 [Shri Abdul Rashid Kabuii] the survey is completed early so that you is about litigation. The Bill seeks to can fund out the total number of persons confer certain powers on the Govern- who lost their lives or who suffered per- ment of India to secure claims in the sonal injuries and thereafter take the litigation against the Union Carbide of matter to the courts. Firstly, you should U.S./V. for compensation for loss of try to find out how many persons have life or personnal injuries. Outwardly, suffered in this tragedy and are suffering it appears that a big step is being taken even now or how many persons are not but how much time would the litigation getting meals and whose children have with the Company of the United States been deprived of education or what the take ? Another fact which has emerged numbers of those widows and orphaned from this Bill is that the process was ini- children who have no means of livelihood tiated after studying the 4aw of the are. After getting all this information, United Slates and of this country ; but you should take steps to solve their how much time would it take ? You problems. have specified an amount in this Bill and have decided to appoint a Commissioner. So far as litigation with the multi- Regarding expenditure on this account, national company, Union Carbide, is you have stated in the Financial Memo- concerned, what is the number of deaths randum ; in respect of which claims are being filed against the Company ? Some say that [English] 10,000 persons have died and some say appointment of Commissioner for that 15,000 persons have died. Some welfare of the victims of the are still facing death in their own homes. Bhopal gas leak disaster and of So, you should do contest tight the other officers and employees to case with the Union Carbide after prepar- assist him ...” ing a full report in this regard.
[Translation] It has a moral aspect also. You It has been stated in the Financial should take up the matter with the Memorandum that Rs. 1,25,000 would United States at Government level also. be spent on the salaries and you have Our country is not a money-making placed the demand for it before the market where big companies may open House. Along with it you have stated : their factories without adopting any safety measures. The facts have come [English] out that this machine was meant for making money, as a source of increasing “The provisions of the Bill do not in- income. The Union Carbide, factory volve any other expenditure of did not care for the lives of lakhs of the a recurring or non-recurring people of this country. So, I think you nature.” should take up the issue at the United Nations level. [Translation] But there is no mention of providing With these words, I conclude my assistance. You have simply said that speech. you want to start litigation. I want to say that the whole approach is wrong. In fact, it is the duty of the Government [English] to find out about the individuals who lost SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN (Bada- their lives or about the entire families gara) ; Mr, Deputy Speaker, I am which perished. There are hundreds grateful to you for giving me this oppor- of houses where not a single person sur- tunity to speak on this subject. I war- vived. Besides, the where abouts of la- mly welcome this Bill. I think there bourers or persons who worked on daily has been a misunderstanding amonp wages are not known. So I think the the members about the aims and Government of India should ensure that objects and it has not been clari- 301 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing of Claims) Bill 302
fied in aims and objects that negligence of the subsidiary company have been set out here I welcome which is responsible for this tragedy. it because it , is only an enabling There are certain important issues.. I do legislation to process claim and seek not want to go into all this. One is claim. Since the time at my disposal is about the jurisdiction of court which will short, I do not want to go into the vari- come up, because the Indian lawyeis ous dimensions of this tragedy which has as well as the American lawyers on this on parallel in the post-industrial history point, I am sure the lawyers will agree of the world nor shall I go into various with me, is based on English comon law. moral and other aspects because I know Therefore, the case must be heard here that you will ring the bell. So, 1 would in Indian court because the incident like to confine myself to certain essential occurred in India: both the plainiiff as points which are very important when we well as the primary defendant that «s consdcr and approach this problem of Union Carbide are in India. The basic claim, that is to provide meaningful relief and idated evidence can also be related for thousands of families who have suffe- to from the Indian environment. You red in Bhopal. I shall not go into the will have to argue that in exceptional various consequences and other related circumstances it can be heard in Ameri- matters which are of tremendous impor- can couits. because we wjJI have to then tance, whether of industrial safety opera- sr.y that justice will be denied in Indian tion of multi-nationals or level of techno- courts, the claimants will have to say that logy and so on. because Indian cou’ts and the Civil Pro- ccduie Code require that ten per cent be paid of the claimed amount,— unless You mu?t have observed that there has you are goiny to change that also But, been an invasion of United States law- c;tn the Government of India-be a party yers to Bhopal and India-People who to such a thing which will soil our own have never been here before. I have a reputation, and go into an American grave misgiving and suspicion about this court, and say that justice will be denied invasion and 1 do not want to go into the in India, ‘‘so we are seeking jurisdiction details of this now. But I must share here” ? So, therefore, even if all these this information with the Minister and claims and counter claims are made be- the House that at least in some of these fore U.S. courts, it will take at least two cases-I do not want to discuss it publicity to three years for the primary issues of because it is not proper—these lawyers jurisdiction matter alone to be settled. have been inspired by Mr. Kelley, Dryer and Warren, Leading corporate law firm of New York, who is also attorney for Then there is an important and funda- Union Carbide, US. Therefore, we have mental question of the liability of a foreign to be very careful in dealing with this company in such circumstances Now, it problem because we cannot allow Union will depend upon lot of evidence, but Carbide, US or its delinquent subsidiary here also there is a pitfall, Mr. Deputy- in India to trade in blood and misery. Speaker, that it will be heard by an Therefore, the Government of India will American jury, if it is to be heard. And have to take care. I wish the Law Mini- 1 cannot imagine a situation, given the ster was here today. I would have liked context of American economy and in- to pose certain questions to him more fluences that are at work in the United than the Minister of Chemicals and Fer- States, where any jury in the United tilizers, These questions in terms of claim States would award a verdict or a judg- of compensation ought to have been ment which would have far-reaching con- clarified by the Law Minister. We have sequences for them ? This again you , to understand certain things of the legal have to look at ftom a time-frame. You . framework of this case. The Union myst be prepared for a long-drawn legal Carbide, US, which is a very big multina- baitie. , tional is the parent company and the > parent company is only supplier of tech- Then there is the question of quantum nology. They would go and say, as they of .damages. In many cafes in the United are doing now, that it is a contributory | States you will find, as well as in tndia in 303 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing o f Claims) Bill 304
[Shri K.P. Unnikrishnan] Subsidiary company is a separate some cases, the question is the reasonable company it as has always been Thdt expectancy of life. That will be a deter- is why I have been saying for a long minant factor which in the case of India lime-long before this tragedy-that this or Bhopal I do not know what it could problem will have to be looked into be, how it will be interpreted and there is and that we will have to tie down these algo the real danger that if an exceptional multi nationals with certain amount for award is given, the Company can go such contingencies if they want to invest bankrupt. Please do not think that it is here. I do not want to take much of not possible. If you examine the cor- your time I only wish that the hon, porate history of ihe United States, Minister for Chemicals and Fertilisers several such cases have been there. Re- as well as the Ministers of Law and cently, there has been a case of a huge Finance will look into this problem. It multi-national John Mansville going bank- is also possible to get not merely legal rupt. And then there is a question of advice from the Ministry of Law or the secured creditors whose claims will have Attorney-General, but to get such legal also to be verified. Therefore, Sir,.., advice as is required in this case.
SHRI H.A. DORA (Sri Kakulam) : A reference has been made that we He went bankrupt after alienating pro- should rule out the question of any settlement or compromise. In this case, perties in favour of his w fe. I am. primarily interested in providing meaningful relief for the victims. 1 do SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : not think that we should tie down the Therefore, we have to tread very warily Government by saying that we should not here. talk to this Company or we will only settle it in the Indian court or the US There is also a very related problem. court. You cannot rule out any possi- I am sure, you may not be able to ans- bility. And to rule out such a possibility wer some of these points. I would have would only get you involved in a situation preferred if the Law Minister was here, to where you would not be able to provide reply to 9ome of these questions. There any relief for the victims at all. There- is also the question of insurance companies fore, judging it purely from a political that is, the liability of Indian insurance angle, that we should rule out any settle- companies who have insured this plant, ment or any negotiation with the Union even though there must have been-re- Carbide which is a multi-national, would insuranee witb other insurance companies be counter productive. I do not want must have occurred and we might be the Government to be tied down in any recovering some part of the damages manner because this wiil have to be dealt from the Indian companies, nationalised with at various levels and I am sure that companies themselves. So, the quantum our Government will be able to deal of such an exposure will also have to be with it. weighed. . ' -1 'l * SARI VEERENDRA PATIL : I am These are some of the problems which happy that almost all the hon. Member*, will come up and which will have to be who have participated in this discussion, studied at length, before we process have welcomed this piece of legislation. these claims. It is not enough for us I need not repeat what many of the hon. to be careful. Please remember one Members have said. thing. I have seen some reference to the Boeing case which is going on. The So far as this legislation is concerned, Boeing company is a company located its purpose is very limited. The purpose, in and operating from the United States. as has been made very clear in the Bill Here in this case the legal framework is is to take powers so that claims should be essentially different because the plant processed and dealt with speedily, effec- was owned and operated by a subsidiary tively, equitably and to the best advantage of a multi-national. of the claimants. 305 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing of Claims) Bill 306
The tragedy that occurred in Bhopal option. That is why after the Bhopal on 2nd and 3rd of December, 1984 was tragedy a Cell has been created in the unique and unprecedented in character Law Ministry to go into the legal aspects and magnitude not only for our country of the problem and whatever measures but for the entire world, N •'body had have to be taken in order to safeguard anticipated the magnitude of this tragedy. the interests of those victims, all those So it is a disaster. After this disaster measures are being taken. 1 am going to has occurred, whether it is the State give the detail’s just now. There are some Government or the Central Government, eminent lawyers on the other side who that way the entire society is responsi- were arguing why we want to go to the ble to see that those who are victims of American courts; if necessary, why not this tragedy are looked after very well have a tribunal here and file the cases and and their interest is safeguarded. get the settlements as early as possible ? Supposing for argument’s sake I say all 17.ro hrs. right, we file the cases in Indian courts and get a decree. Then where to execute I do not wish to go into the details that decree ? If we want to execute that about the relief measures that have been decree in India, then to the extent the taken by the State Government and to property belonging to the Union Carbide what extent the Central Government has is available in India, we can recover, we gone to the rescue of the State Govern- can realise and then pay to the victims. ment in providiag relief to the victims. But is that enough ? Then again for The relief work is still continuing. execution we have to go to the American courts and there we have to say that this Some hon. Members wanted to know is the decree our court has given and we why Government should not file the want to get it executed because the com- cases in Indian courts, some hon. Mem- pany is in their country. One doubt was bers have already come to the conclusion expressed by Mr. Unnikrishnan. I must that Government has taken a decision to make it clear now that it is a parent com- file the cases in American courts. So far pany ..... (Interruptions). as this Bill is concerned, nowhere it is said that Government is going to file SHRI H.A. DORA (Srikakulam) : I these cases either in Indian courts or in may be permitted to say one thing at this United States courts. But this Bill, particular stage. The Act is quite silent as the hon. Member Mr. Unnikrishnan on the charge created on the properties has pointed out just now, only enables of the Union Carbide Ltd. What I mean the Central Government to have three is suppose a charge is not created and options. It gives three options to the attachment of the properties before judge- Central Government. One option is to ment is not there and suppose the profile the cases in Indian courts, the second perties are alienated by the company in option is to fife the cases in American favour of some third party, then the courts and the third option is that wha- composition that is to be awarded by the tever course the Government takes, it courts will become infructuous. So, is should be to the best advantage of the there any provision which provides the claimants. So, the interest of the clai- attachment of the properties before mant or the victim is uppermost in the judgement about the compensation is mind of the Government of India. given ? Supposing an offer comes that the company is prepared for a compromise, and SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : The if that offer is going to be the best offer hon. Member is referring to the attach- in the interest of the victims, as the hon. Member Shri Unnikrishnan has pointed ment of propetry. out, why not we consider that option ? So, these three options are open to the SHRI H. A. DORA : Suppose the Government of India. Whichever option property is alienated in favour of a third is in the best interest of the victim, party ? Then, we cannot attach the pro- Government will certainly consider that perty after the verdict has come. 307 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing of Claims) Bill 308 SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : The courts there. In this Bill we are taking hon. Member is referring to the question exclusive right. With regard to cases of attachment of property. If it is a which have already been filed, I invite question of attaching property in our the attention of the hon. Members to country, certainly we can consider it. But, the proviso to clause 3(3\ which reads: can we, sitting here, attach a property which is situated or located in other “ Provided that in the case of any sue1! countries ? Can we do that ? suit or other proceeding with respect to any claim pending imme- SHRI H. A. DORA ; Suppose a diately before tha commencement charge is created on the properties of this of this Act in or before any court company in India with retrospective oper- or other authority out side India, ation, that will safeguard our interests. the Central Government shall re- Otherwise, suppose it is alienated, what present, and act in place of, or would be the fate of the victims ? along with, such claimant, if such . court or other authority so SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : I want permits.” to make it very clear that our proposal has been to proceed against the parent So, we have already taken these powers company. I will clarify the position. I under this Act We are going to repre- do not know whether it is correct to say sent to the courts whether we can repre- that company here in India is a subsidiary sent the claiments. We want to put it company. It is a FERA company in before the couris. Supposing the court India and the Union Carbide of America does not permit it, then, sitting here, by has got 51 per cent shares in it. So, there passing a legislation here in our Parlia- is no question of parent company and sub- ment, we cannot bind the hands or tie sidiary company and the parent company down the hands of the courts in other saying that it is not their responsibility, it countries. That is why we have to make is the responsibility of the subsidiary a provision. We can do that only if the company. We are proceeding against court permits. Therefore, the problem the main company, the parent company. of the cases which have already been filed That is the problem we are now dealing has been looked into and it has been with. taken care of by this proviso.
The hon. Shri Janga Reddy wanted to Hon. Members wanted to know the know why Government has not proceed- details about death and injuiy, how many ed with or prosecuted the Union Carbide. people have become disabled and how In my statement last session, I made it many are still suffering. I can only say very clear that the State Government has that so far as immediate effect of the prosecuted the company and the case is poisonous gas is concerned, the State pending. The State Government entrust- Government is collecting that informa- ed the investigation to the CBI, which is tion. About the number of deaths, what- going into the matter. So far as the ever figures the State Government had causes and other things are concerned, been able to collect, I have already given. as the hon. Members are aware, they are Still the State Government is collecting being enquired into by a commission ap- this information They have already pointed under the Commission of Inquiry entrusted this work to the Tata Institute Act. of Social Sconces. They are still collecting this information According to my Another doubt expressed by some hon. information, I do not think the organisa- Members was, what will happen to the tion to which this work has been entrust- cases which have already been filed. It ed, has made a final report. As I made is true that immediately after the pccident it very clear in the beginning thi* is an some advocates, lawyers and attorneys unprecedented tragedy, we cannot fix a came here, tried to collect some signa- time limit and say that before that timi tures, went back and filed the cases in ihe limit is over, the report should be re nJy, 309 Bhopal Ga<: Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing of Claims) Bill 310
On the effect of this poisonous gas on the court is concerned, I think we have to health of the people several studies are take a decision very quickly, because I being conducted by the State Government am told the cases which are already filed and several other organisations and these in American courts, athough those cases studies are going on. But, as Govern- have been adjourned, not those cases are ment of India, we are concerned about coming up for ferther hearing on 16th of the long-term effect of leakage of this gas April. So, before that date, it appears on the health of the people. That is why that a decision has to be taken. recently the Government of India has taken a decision to appoint a Commis- sion for the purpose of medical and So, I want to give some information scientific studies on the life systems. It because although the options are open, is for the purpose of obtaining authorita- it does not mean that we are still con- tive information and producing valid sidering and we have not taken any hypothesis with the objective of devising action. We are taking all precautions the best of therapy for restoration and and we are taking all necessary actions in relief They will ensure a well-conceived this regard so far as filing the cases in and well formulated approach for conti- American courts is concerned. If it nuing the studies already initiated so that becomes necessary and if it is in the apart from the affected persons, posterity interest of the victims, then the time is may stand to benefit from the data so very short; so we have to take a decision. obtained. So. the Government of India has already taken a decision to appoint such a commission and such a commis- Hon. Members are aware that in this sion is going to be appointed very shortly. connection our Attorney General had been to the United States of America and Some hon. Members suggested if there very recently our Law Secretary also had is an> compromise, then the consent of been to the United States of America. the affected party should be obtained So far as filing the cases in the United before compromise is effected or settle- States courts is concerned, the Govern- ment is arrived at. I do not think this ment of India has already appointed M/s is possible, because we are taking this Robins Zelle, Larson & Kaplan, a re- power for collective action. When we nowed top litigation firm of U.S.A. to are going to file the claims on behalf represent the Government of India in case of thousands and thousands of victims it is decided to file a suit in the U.S. who have suffered because of this tragedy court. With the assistance of this firm and if we are going to have a compro- a draft complaint has been prepared. mise on their behalf, is it possible for us To finalise this draft complaint, represen- to go to everybody and seek their con- tatives of this law firm have already sent ? Physically it is not possible The arrived in our country. Today they have Government is doing all this in good faith come to our country, for representatives and not for any other purpose. We are of this law firm have arrived in India not here to safeguard the interests of the today. The purpose is to finalise this Union Carbide. We are not working draft complaint so that we are in a posi- here as their agent. On the other hand tion to file the complaint well before the we are very sorry that such a tragedy has next date of pre-trial hearing of the case occured in our country and it becomes already filed in the U.S. court. The next the duty of everybody to see that the date of bearing is 16th April 1985. interests of those who have suffered should be safeguarded at our cost. Therefore, the Government of India is Sir, hon. Members wanted to know bearing the entire cost so far as the how much damage we are going to pay litigation is concerned. for, what is going to be the quantum of compensation. I want to make one point clear that although three options are left, so far as SHRI H.A. DORA : Irreperablo the option of filing the cases in American damage has already been caused. • • 311 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing o f Claims) Bill 312 SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : Sir, suffer. So it is very difficult to guess ; in all these matters we are guided by it is very difficult to arrive at a figure. our legal experts, we are guided by the Therefore, a scheme is being prepared and officers who are working in the cell and many Members wanted to know when if the cases are going to be filed in U.S. the scheme is going to be prepared. court we are naturally to be guided by The scheme is already being prepared in the attorneys who have been appointed consultation with the Law Ministry and or the law firm which has been appointed we have made it very clear in the Bill for this purpose. I can assure you, be- itself that as soon as the scheme is pre- cause I do not wish to go into the de- pared, that would be placed before the tails, as Mr. Unnikrishnan said that if House and the hon. Members will have my colleague the Law Minister had been full opportunity to discuss about this here, he would have been in a better po- scheme. If they feel that there is need sition to explain all that because I do not for any modification, they can suggest at know whether compromise is possible ; if that time. So, we are not doing any- it is not possible ; anyhow the cases thing to keep the hon. Members in dark. have to go to the court. Therefore, I do It is because, this is meant not only for not want to... those who have suffered, not only for those who are suffering but also for those who are fikelv to suffer in future So, SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY : this scheme is being prepared only for We can claim exemplary damages. that purpose.
' SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : That SHRI H.A. DORA : Under clause is why I said, while filing the cases (9) of the Bill, >ou have mentioned that whether it is necessary for us to mention the Central Government shall frame by the quantum of compensation. That is notification in the Official Gazette a * why I said I do not wish to go into the Scheme as soon as may be after the details. Some experts said that it is not commencement of this Act. I request necessary to mention the quantum of that this phrase ‘‘as soon as may be compensation at this stage. Therefore, after” be replace with “soonafter". ‘‘As it is all left to the legal advisers and we snon as may be” means, it may be 30 ' will go according to the advice that we years or 40 years. receive from time to time from the legal advisers, from the law firm. That is all SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : That I want to say. At this stage I do not is why. I havemade it clear that the Wish to go into the details about the scheme is being piepared. quantum of compensation, on what basts we are going to claim the compensation,
on whatti basis we are going to calculate the Some hon. Members, I think, Mr. compensation, what are the criteria, what Chintamani and other hon Members, are the guidelines—these are not the have wanted to know why this unit was matters which have to be discussed here allowed to be located in Bhopal or very when the matter is likely to go before near to Bhopal or very near to a thickly ihe court and the purpose of the Bill populated area. In 1972, a letter of is not to decide about the quantum. intent was granted to this company and We are not discussing anything about the it was converted info licence in 1 975. At claims and all that ; we are only taking thaf time, there was no location policy power so far as these three options are as such or decision taken as such by the concerned. Government of India. But I can only say from my information that at the Some hon. Members wanted to know time of giving licence or converting ihe the details of the scheme. Th it is why letter of intent into licence, the St.ite I said a lot of people have suffered and Government was taken into confidence they are still suffering and wc do not and everythin * done was in consultation know in tfhe near future and in the long with the State Government, But the loca- run also how many people are going to tion policy decision must have been taken 313 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 KT-4) (Processing o f Claims) Bill 314
by the Government of India subsequently day the unit is completely closed down. No in 1977 or 1978. So, before that, they activity is going on in the unit. I have approached the Government of India for visited this unit immediately after I took converting it into a licence and they select- charge of this Ministry The State ed a site. The State Government also Government and the Central Government okayed the site That is how. they came have got enough powers. Tt is not that and started their activities there. we are incompetent. It is not that we are lacking tn powers. In the past hon. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANTGR AHI : Member, Mr. Chintamani and the entire What about the supervision of this MIC House must be aware— we have thrown storage ? out several multi-nationals. I do not wish to name the multi-nationals which have been thrown out of our country. We SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL ; So can throw them out. But is it only the far as the supervision of storag or so remedy ? By throwing the Union Car- far os safecuarding the health and life of bide out, can we find a remedy to all the workers is concerned, it is the res- these problems that have been created ponsibility of the State Government. So, because of this tragedy. under the Factories Act, the State Government is expected to send its factory inspectors to visit the factories and Now, we are thinking about the relief to find out whether safety measures have that has to be provided to those been taken and whether the unit is func- people. That is why this Bill is before tioning properly or not. us for our consideration. As to whether that should be nationalised, whether that SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : Were should be allowed to continue in our all these things done correctly ? country, that is a different matter.
SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : They I have already told the House on the have inspected several times. In the past, last occasion that so far as the State I agree, as one Or two Members referred Government is concerned, they do not to, some incidents, some accidents did want any activity of the Union Carbide happen. Some injuries were there. In in the State. They have made it very clear. this, in one case, one worker was killed; The Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh and action was taken. They have been has already written to the Prime Minister prosecuted and the cases are still pending saying that this unit should be nationa- in the courts. It is not that the State lised and it should not be allowed to Government is keeping quiet or shutting exist in Madhya Pradesh. That is under its eyes. It is taking action under the examination. That is a different matter. Factories Act and wherever it has found I wanted to make it very clear that, as that security measures, wanting, in such a sovereign State, we are quite compe- cases, it has proceeded against the fac- tent to take whatever decision we like tories and the cases are still pending in which is in the interest of the country. the courts. SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : Mr. Chintamani wanted to know, “ be- When the case lingers on, what relief are cause they are a multi-pational company, you going to give to the victims ? why do you not confiscate their property and throw them out as we are a sovereign SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : Whether State ?” I agree, we are a sovereign the case lingers on and it prolongs, we State We have got enough powers. We are not in a position lo say ; if it is filed can lake over this unit ; we can nationa- here or in U.S. coiiit ; when the case lise this unit. That wayt immediately is going to be decided— it is very difficult after this tragedy, the Slate Government for anybody to prcdict it. But the re- have already proceeded against them. lief measures fire going on. The relief They have issued notice and they have has already been given fcy (be Smte asked them to close down the unit. To- Government. To the extent possible, the 315 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing o f Claims) Bill 316
[Shri Veerendra Patil] SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY : But there are so many other factories. Central Government has also helped them in providing relief Ex-gratia payment SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : The also has been made, not that it is factory is closed now. It is too early compensation. for me to say whether the Government of India or the State Government is going SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : Will to permit them to resume their activity. relief works continue beyond 31st March, But 1 know the mind of the State Go- 1985 ? vernment that they are not for allowing SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : The this Company to carry on their activities. hon. Member has put a pointed question Th&y have mad that very clear. as to whether relief works are going to continue beyond 3 1 st March, 1985. To Now, the que&tion is : What about that, my reaction is that 1 will be in a sefety measures for all such units which position to tell the House only afier I have health hazards. We have already get in touch with the State Government taken several measures. It is not cor- to know what is their programme, how rect to say, as some hon. Members said, long they want to continue this relief that these multi-nationals are producing work. My own feeling is that if the this dangerous material only in develop- people are suffering and the relief has to ing countries. A similar unit to that be continued, then I will certainly have a which we have in Bhopal is in America talk with the Chief Minister. I will con- also. I understand that unit has been vey the feelings of the hon. Members of closed down (Interruptions) and lot of this also, whatever, they have expressed agitation is going on, on the issue whether about the relief measures, to the Chief it should be allowed to be re-opened or Minister of Madhya Pradesh. not. That is a different matter. There are several chemical industries and most I do not wish to take more time of the of the chemical industries are health House. It is not necessary also because hazards. Now this Bhopal tragedy opened it is a simple and non-controversial Bill. the eyes of not only our country but of 1 want to again assure the House and, the entire world. Everywhere people are through the House, the entire nation that very much worried about this problem of the Government of India is quite alive to pollution. We have, therefore, already this problem. undertaken studies in this regard. We have already written to the State Go- SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOWDHURY : vernments to suitably amend the Factories They could keep their method of pro- Act. We have already asked the State duction secret in the name of trade secret. Government to activise their Pollution So, I want to know whether the Govern- Control Board. All these measures are ment is going to have a model Act to necessary in order to see that the indus- regulate all such collaborations to set up tries which are producing these dangerous such units so that our people can also chemicals are completely pollution-free scrutinise the methods that are being used and absolutely safe. This aspect also is by them. We have so many intelligent being studied and whatever measures are scientists. They can tell us what they are being adopted in the technologically doing, whether it is good or bad for advanced countries are also being studied. country. That is very much important for the safety of our people. Is the hon. I can only tell the hon. House that Minister in a position to give a reply to in view of the tragedy that has occured that ? That is the need of the hour to in Bhopal, whatever is necessary in order prevent such disasters in future. to safeguard the health of the people working in factories is being done. We SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : So far are also ensuring that the environment as the method of production is concerned, round about the factory and the entire the question does not arise because the country is free from pollution. All such factory is closed now. measures are being considered and all 317 Bhopal Gas Leak Disaster CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) (Processing o f Claims) Bill 318
possible measures will be taken in due those who will suffer in future will also course of time. be taken care of.
SHRI KP. UNNIKRISHNAN ; I SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI ; just want to seek a.clarification about the I would like to know from the hon. claims of Indian Insurance Company to Minister whether in view of the national which I referred. Will you let us know ? disaster in Bhopal, Government of India is considering to review the functioning and the administration of the multi- SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : I am ' national corporations in this country in sorry. I do not have that information. , future or at present and whether any Therefore, I am not in a position to give fresh thinking is there on the part of the it. Government.
SHRT K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : You SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : If a can give it later. tragedy occurs in a particular factory, simply because it belongs to multi- SHRI VEERENDRA PATrL : I will nationals, I do not think it is corrcct to pass on your query to the Ministry of condemn all multi nationals who are Law. functioning in ourcountiy but so far as multi-nationals and foreign participation PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (Biramu1la\ and collaboration is concerned, we have The damage that has been clone has to got a Board, the Foreign Investment be properly assessed. Government will Board. All such proposals are studied pay compensation to those families whose and only when they are found feasible, people died and those who will be ob- when they are found to be in the interest viously sick. But one category of people of the country, they are approved. have been left out. There are women who complain and they are get- SHRI S.M. BHATTAM : Registration ting medical help through private, of claims, maintenance of claims, pro- doctors. It seems that the babies cessing of claims—all these form the in the wombs are adversely affected. basic data on which the Government may Government have not organised medical have to proceed in future as far as insti- termination of pregnancy. Therefore, tution of suits is concerned. There is no women are going privately and getting knowing as to when this will be com- pregnancies terminated. It is a great plete. The Minister himself does not national loss. Who will pay compensa- seem to be in a position to give us any tion to them ? Who have assessed the inkling as to the final date by which this damage ? (Interruptions) will be done. Again, the Minister has also not made it clear whether they pre- SHRT VEERENDRA PATTL ; It is fer to go to the USA and file suits there not only a question of compensating or whether they will be taking a decision those who have suffered but it is also a in favour of going to the courts here. question of compensating those family What is the stand of the Government on members whose people have died. I these two issues ? When are we going have already mentioned that point. We to complete all this and when do they are not only trying to help those are hope to render the necessary relief or still suffering but we are also tjiinking of initiate action in this regard ? a scheme for those who are likely to SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : I am suffer in future also. sorry if the hon. Member has not followed whatever I have said. I PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ • Deformed have answered this point. I have babies are in the wombs. said that, so far as filing of the case in U.S. courts is concerned if we SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : While have to tnke a decision, we have to rake formulating the scheme, the problems of that decision very shortly. I have already 319 BhopaI Gus Leak Disaster MARCH 27, 1985 (Processing o f Claims) Bill 320 [Shri Veerendra PatilJ SHRI C. JANGA REDDY : I am read that note. We have already appoin- not pressing. ted a law firm for that purpose and lour attorneys have already arrived in our The Resolution was, by leave, withdrawn. country and they are in Delhi now; they want to familiarize themselves with the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The whole thing, they want to discuss about question is : the plans they have prepared. All that is being done, If we have to file a suit “That the Bill to confer certain powers in U.S. court, we have to file it before the on the Central Government to 1
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : In view MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The of the reply given by the hon. Minister, question is : would the hon. Member, Shri Janga “That the Bill be passed.’* Reddy, like to withdraw his Resolution ? Or, abould I put it to the vote of the The motion was adopted. House ? f 321 Requisitioning and AcqnU CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) Immovable Property 322 sition o f (Amdi.) Bill 17.41 hrs. Parliament. The question is : when Parliament was meeting on the 13th, why STATUTORY RESOLUTION RE : was the ordinance promulgated on the DISAPPROVAL OF REQUISITION- 8th ? Now people outside Parliament ING AND ACQUISITION OF do not know these niceties. Now they IMMOVABLE PROPERTY (AMEND- want to extend the requisition period by MENT) ORDINANCE 2 years. Instead of 1 5 years they would AND like to make it 1 7 years and who knows REQUISITIONING AND ACQUI- after 2 years they will not come forward SITION OF IMMOVABLE PRO- again for another amendment for an ex- PERTY (AMENDMENT) BILL tension by 2 years because they are not definite. It is not a question of the [English] Works Ministry. It is a question of all MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Now we Ministries put together and I think this go to the next item. We take up itens is a great encroachment on the authority 12 and 13 together. The time allotted of the Parliament and the slackness in the is one hour for this discussion. Department gets extended to the Presi- dent’s table where there is no option for Prof. Saif-ud-din Soz. the President but to promulgate the ordinance and thereby the dignity of the PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (Baiamulld) : Parliament gets eroded. I beg to move : Then a further question arises. For 1 5 years they can requisition a properly ‘‘This House disapproves of the Re- or knd. That was the period They quisitioning and Acquisition of were not sure how much more time they Immovable Property (Amend- would require. This time they have come ment') Ordinance, 1985 (Ordi- forward with an amendment that they nance No. 2 of 1 58 ) promulga- would require a further 2 years. But for ted by the President on the 8th all these years they have requisitioned March, 1 985.” properties and lands and already they have '00 properties under requisition Why I move this resolution is that this involving some MOO acres of land and ordinance was promulgated by the Presi- most of it is waste because it is not used dent on 8th March and- Parliament was for anything It is a national loss. So, meeting on 13th March. The President the departments have to be vigilant and has powers to promuJgue ordinances but take decisions in time and not organise normally ordinances will be promulgated the process whereby the dignity of Parlia- when there is an emergency Now the ment is eroded and then come foiward Bill and the ordinance that is .available wit ft Ordinances. with me is a very small amendment. Since the period of 1 5 years which was Sir, the general public have a feeling the period for which they could requisi- that Parliament has become a rubber tion a property or land was expiring on stamp. On fcth March you promulgated 1 Oth March, there was some urgency. an Ordinance and on 13th Mar^h the Therefore, President promulgated .the Parliament was meeting It is only for ordinance on 8th March. But I would the sake of this principle that I have like to ask a question as to why this Bill moved this Resolution and I want to was not put before the House in the remind not only the hon. Works & Hous- earlier session. We met in January. It ing Minister but also the entire House shows that in the departments there is how long ago Mr. Mavalankar, perhaps terrible slackness and when this ordinance the greatest man who sat in this Chair, was passed ultimately by the President, had raised this issue ituthe Conference of the Parliament was taken for a ride. the Presiding Officers and I quote :
I take this ordinance and many such “ It was obviously a wrong convention ordinances as an affront to the dignity of ' for the executive Government to 323 Requisitioning and Acqui- MARCH 27, 1985 Immovable Property 3 24 sition o f (Arndt.) BlU [Prof. Saifuddin Soz] to rise to the occasion and protect the promulgate Ordinance merely be- honour and dignity of this House. So, I cause of shortage of time. That press this Resolution. power was to be exercised only .when there was an emergency and THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND the legislature could not meet. HOUSING (SHRI ABDUL GHAFOOR) It was not a desirable precedent Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move : to promulgate Ordinance for want of time as inconvenicrit legislation “That the Bill further to amend the might also be promulgated in that Requisitioning and Acquisition of manner.” Immovable Property Act, 1^52, as passed by Rajya Sabha, be So, many wrong things could be done taken into consideration.” through Ordinances if you form the habit of issuing Ordinances before the Parliament Sir, the power of the Government to is to meet. I would also like to quote requisition immovable property has been what Mr. Mavalankar wrote to the Parlia- in existence for over four decades. Acc- mentary Affairs Minister ut that time in ording to the Act as amended by the this respcct. I quote : Amending Act of 1980, properties requisitioned on or before 10th March, “The procedure of the promulgation 1970 are to be de-rcqisitioned within 15 of Ordinance is inherently unde ye.srs, i.e., by 10th March, 1985. tnocratfc. Whether an Ordinance After the passing of the Amendment is unjustifiable or not the issue of Bill in Parliament in ihe year 1980, the a large number of Ordinances has Ministry of Works and Housing ■ h:ts psychologically a bud effect. The released from the requisition during the people carry ihe impression tfut period April 1980 till now, 102 pro- Government is carried on by perties, The Ministry of Works’aml Ho- Ordinances. The House carries using id also taking steps to release from a sense of being ignored and the requisition ihe remaining requisitioned Central Secretariat perhans get properiies early. into the habit of slackness which necessitates an Ordinance and ;\n The total number of properties requi- impression is created that it is sitioned by various Ministries Depart- desired to comiriit rhe House to ments all 'over the country is less than a particular legislation as the 200 in number and about 8,400 acres of ■ House has no alternative but to land. Most of the land, however, has put its seal on matters that have been requisitioned by the Ministry of been legislated upon by ordinance. Defcnce. It is, however, the intention of Such a state of things is not con- Government to keep a strict watch over ducive to the development of best the properties requisitioned by various parliamentary traditions,” departments and Union Territories so as to ensure that all the properties requisi- Sir, in reply to the above letter this is tioned on or before 10th March. 1970 what Jawahar Lai Nehru as Prime Mini- are released from requisition within two ster wrote on 13 th December, 1950. I years and timely action is taken for relea- quote ; sing the other properties, within the period specified in the Act. Considering the “ I think all my colleagues will agree revision of compensation and the pro- with you that the issue of Ordi- gramme releasing the properties, the nance is normally not desirable amendment proposed to be made will not and should be avoided except on act harshly against the individuals whose special and urgent occasions.” properly is under requisition.
And, now hereafter I can only request In view of this position, it is necessary you, Mr. Deputy Speaker^ that you have to amend the Act so as to extend the 325 Requisitioning pnd (A cqut- CHAITRA 6, 1907 (SAKA) . Immovable Property 326 sit ion o f ‘ . (Arndt,) Bill maximum period of retention of requisi- the promulgation of this Ordinance was tioned properties by a period of two extremely unhappy because the Govern- years. As the period of retention of ment could have brought the Bill earlier such properties requisitioned on or be- before the House, In a democratic State fore 10th March, 1970 would have ex- the Government has to respond to the pired on 10th M5rch, 198 5 and some various needs of the people.. It has to of the properties including land are make requisitioning and acquisition of under occupation of Ministries like properties of private citizens. But, it is Defence and- Communications and often found that rich people are spared Delhi Administration, etc., and Ordinance at the cost of the poor people. was promulgated on the 8th March, 1985 to enable Government to retain requisi- When requisitions are made in respect tioned properties for a further period of of properties of individual citizens, it is two years. The Bill seeks to replace the often found that poor farmers, marginal Ordinance. farmers and people belonging to low- income groups suffer because their pro- With these words, I commend the perlies are requisitioned and they do not Amending Bill, as passed by the Rajya get rent at the prevailing market rate. Sabha, for the consideration of the If they move the Courts, th.y do not get House. justice. In this country, getting justice is a time-consuming process. It is be- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Motions yond the reach of the common people. moved • Therefore, what I ask for is a cate- gorical assurance from the hon Minister First one is the Resolution moved by that when properiies are requisitoned, Prof. Saifuddin Soz : the poor people should be paid rent or prii* at the prevailing market price. “ This House disapproves of the Re- There siiould be full justice rendered to quisitioning and Acquisition of them. Tllfs is my request* Immovable Property (Amendment) Ordinance, 1985 (Ordinance No. With these words I conclude. 2 of 198*) promulgated by the President on thi 8 th Marcl* 1985.” PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur) ; Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, 1 would like to Next is the Amendment Bill moved by say a few words. I would be untrue to Shii Abdul Ghafoor : myself if I were to let go this opportunity r to advise the Minister for Parliamentary “ That the Bill further to amend the Affairs in regard to the proclamation of Requisitioning and Acquisition of these Ordinances. It is a wrong proce- Immovable Property Act, 1 952, as dure and the late Speaker, Mr, Mava- passed by Rajya Sabha, be taken lankar, gave a proper warning to the . into consideration.” Government. as a whole and to the only Ministry which can be expected to advise the Ministries in the Government or.their — Both the Resolution and the Bill are Administrations to ensure that they would before the House. come to the House in proper time for its sanction for whatever measure they w.mt SHRI SUDHIR ROY (BURDWAN) ; and they should not resort to this lazy Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Government man’s undemocratic method of promul- has introduced the Bill further to amend gating Ordinance a few weeks, a few days, the Requisitioning and Acquisition of before the Parliament meets and there- Immovable Property Act, 1952, as pass- after place this kind of legislation more ed by Rajya Sabha. or less as a kind of fait accompli and short-circuit the procedure. Therefore, 1 agree wUh Vrof. Saifuddin Soz that I would like to advise the Parliamentat-y 327 Requi itioning and Acqiti- MARCH 27, 1985 Immovable. Property 328 sit ion o f (Amdt,) Bill [Prof. N.G. Ranga] this connection, he has also cited the Affairs Ministry to circulate it to all the ruling of Shri Mavalanker. I want to Ministries so that they tfbuld not coun- ask him how many times the Kashmir tenance this kind of procedure to be GovernmeLt have promulgated .ordi- followed hereafter and they should ensure nances V Has he ever raised any objec- that every piece of legislation, first t f all, tion against those ordinances ? goes through the usual normal coursc for approval by Parliament by placing the Why have these ordinances to be Bills in tin.e before Parliament and the issued ? Has the Professor Sahib ever administration should not be allowed to tried to find out the number of ordinanc- go on waiting until almost the last minute es promulgated in India and in his State ? or date and then embarrass the poor The need for promulgation of such Minister and force him to resort first ordinances arises because our officers fail to Ordinance and thereafter to be to apprise the Government of the position taken to task by Parliament. I hope the in time. They have to be promulgated Ministries concerned would take propei because of such lapses. , These ordinances warning from the protest made by my are promulgated because officers fail (o hon. friend in right time. I congratulate warn the Government about some wrong him. work being done. This is the reason. Therefore, warning should be given to [Translation] those officers who are woiking in that department and because of whose lapse SHRI C. JANGA REDDY (Hanam- the ordinance was promulgated. The kOnda) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the hen Minister has done all this to save Bill seeks to extend the period for which them. Hence, theie must be some pro- a peasant's land could be requisitioned vision to procced against those vs ho are from 15 years to 17 years. You want at fault. This type of provision is ab- to extend the acquisition period for »wo solutely necessary. „ more years, for which also they should be given compensation. Aio $ou gfving [English] • that or not ? MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER ; You may SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS (Bhil- please continue tomorrow. wara) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I »' ’ support the Requisitioning and Acquisi- 18.01 brs. tion of Immovable Property (Amendment) The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Bill. Eleven of the Clock on Thursday, March 28, 1985/ Chaitraly 1 907- Prof Soz has taken strong objection to the promulgation of the Ordinances., In
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