THE SECOND MEETING OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 10 FEBRUARY 2021

MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO: 201 THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Phandu T. C. Skelemani PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Mabuse M. Pule, MP. (Mochudi East)

Clerk of the National Assembly - Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly - Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel - Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) - Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP. - President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) - Vice President Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. K. N. S. Morwaeng, MP. (Molepolole South) - Administration

Hon. K. T. Mmusi, MP. (Gabane-Mmankgodi) - Minister of Defence, Justice and Security Hon. Dr L. Kwape, MP. (Kanye South) - Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Goodhope-Mabule ) - Minister of Local Government and Rural Development Hon. K. S. Gare, MP. (Moshupa-Manyana) - Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation Hon. P. K. Kereng, MP. (Specially Elected) - and Tourism Hon. Dr E. G. Dikoloti MP. (Mmathethe-Molapowabojang) - Minister of Health and Wellness Hon. T.M. Segokgo, MP. (Tlokweng) - Minister of Transport and Communications Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. T. M. Rakgare, MP. (Mogoditshane) - Development

Hon. A. M. Mokgethi, MP. (Gaborone Bonnington North) - Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs Hon. Dr T. Matsheka, MP. (Lobatse) - Minister of Finance and Economic Development Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP. (Shashe West) - Minister of Basic Education Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. Dr D. Letsholathebe, MP. (Tati East) - Technology Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Hon. L. M. Moagi, MP. (Ramotswa) - Energy Security

Hon. P. O. Serame, MP. (Specially Elected) - Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. M. Balopi, MP. (Gaborone North) - Development

Hon. M. Kgafela, MP. (Mochudi West) - Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development

Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Hon. D. M. Mthimkhulu, MP. (Gaborone South) - Public Administration Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP. (Specially Elected) - Development Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Hon. S. N. Modukanele, MP. (Lerala -Maunatlala) - Development Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Hon. B. Manake, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security

Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP. (Boteti East) - Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. N. W. T. Makwinja, MP. (Lentsweletau-Mmopane) - Assistant Minister, Basic Education

Hon. M. S. Molebatsi, MP. (Mmadinare) - Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. H. B. Billy, MP. (Francistown East) - Development Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP. (Chobe) - Assistant Minister,Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

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RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon. L. Kablay, MP. (Government Whip) Letlhakeng-Lephephe Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. Specially Elected Hon. P. Majaga, MP. Nata-Gweta Hon. J. S. Brooks, MP. Kgalagadi South Hon. C. Greeff, MP. Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. T. Letsholo, MP. Kanye North Hon. T. F. Leuwe, MP. Takatokwane Hon. T. Mangwegape-Healy, MP. Gaborone Central Hon. S. N. Moabi, MP. Tati West Hon. T. Monnakgotla, MP. Kgalagadi North Hon. P. K. Motaosane, MP. Thamaga-Kumakwane Hon. O. Regoeng, MP. Molepolole North Hon. J. L. Thiite, MP. Ghanzi North Hon. P. P. P. Moatlhodi, MP. Tonota Hon. A. Lesaso, MP. Shoshong OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. D. Saleshando, MP. (Leader of the Opposition) Maun West Hon. M. G. J. Motsamai, MP. (Opposition Whip) Ghanzi South Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP. Selebi Phikwe West Hon. Y. Boko, MP. Mahalapye East Hon. Dr K. Gobotswang, MP. Sefhare-Ramokgonami Hon. C. K. Hikuama, MP. Ngami Hon. K. K. Kapinga, MP Okavango Hon. G. Kekgonegile, MP. Maun East Hon. T. B. Lucas, MP. Bobonong Hon. K. Nkawana, MP. Selebi Phikwe East Hon. O. Ramogapi, MP. Palapye Hon. Dr N. Tshabang, MP. Nkange Hon. D. Tshere, MP. Mahalapye West Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP. Francistown West (Botswana Patriotic Front) Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. Serowe West Hon. L. Lesedi, MP. Serowe South Hon. B. Mathoothe, MP. Serowe North Hon. M. Reatile, MP. Jwaneng-Mabutsane (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP. Francistown South TABLE OF CONTENTS THE SECOND MEETING OF THE SECOND SESSION OF THE TWELFTH PARLIAMENT WEDNESDAY 10 FEBRUARY, 2021

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Appropriation (2021/2022) Bill, 2021 (No. 2 of 2021) Second Reading (Resumed Debate)...... 11-42 Wednesday 10th February, 2021 QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER

Wednesday 10th February, 2021 (ii) Mr Speaker,

THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (a) The Mmathethe-Bray/Hereford road has been included in National Development Plans (NDP) (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) 11 during the Mid-Term Review as part of P R A Y E R S the Economic Recovery and Transformation Programme (ERTP). However, the section between * * * * Hereford and Werda has not been included. Preparation of a Project Memorandum for design QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER is ongoing. Floating of tenders to source design CONSTRUCTION OF ROADS IN KGALAGADI consultants is planned for May 2021. SOUTH (b) Motopi-Makalamabedi: the road has been included MR S. J. BROOKS (KGALAGADI SOUTH): asked in NDP 11 during the Mid-Term Review as part of the Minister of Transport and Communications to state: the ERTP and preparation of Invitation to Tender (ITTs) is ongoing. Floating of tenders to source (i) when the ministry will reconstruct the - design consultants is planned for March 2021. road since it is in a bad state; (c) There are no plans to construct the Tsabong- (ii) when construction of the following roads will road during the current development commence; plan. The 7 km access road to Maleshe from Tsabong-- Kokotsha road (A20) can (a) Mmathethe - Werda via Hereford; only be considered for upgrading to bitumen (b) Motopi - Makalamabedi; and standard under the 10 km Policy on Access Roads when the A20 Tsabong-Makopong-Kokotsha road (c) Tsabong - Maleshe. is reconstructed or rehabilitated. Thank you Mr Speaker. MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Thank MR BROOKS: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. you Mr Speaker good afternoon. Thank you Minister and good afternoon. Minister, (i) Mr Speaker, my ministry has no plans to re bolelele gore tsela ya 32 km between Makopong reconstruct Tsabong-Kokotsha road during the and Werda e sale e simolotswe leng go dirwa, e bile current development plan. The road is indeed in rakonteraka o ne a filwe nako e e kae, o solofela gore a poor state as it has exceeded its design life and rakonteraka a bo a e feditse leng go dira this maintenance this has been compounded by an increase in traffic and resealing? volumes on this road. Secondly Minister, a o itse gore tsela e e fa gare ga My ministry continues to undertake periodic and routine Tsabong le is so bad? It is not that e na le maintenance of this road through resealing as well as potholes but ke tsela e e saleng e dirilwe ka 1988, by the pothole patching of badly affected sections. then Road Department. Gompieno ga e a siamela gore e ka bo e dirisiwa le fa e le to be resealed, e batla fela to A 30 kilometre (km) between Draihoek and Omaweneno was resealed in 2017. Currently, a citizen contractor be reconstructed from scratch Mr Speaker. has been engaged for the reseal and road marking of a Mr Minister, tsela ya Tsabong-Maleshe has been like 30 km section between Makopong and Werda. Funds that for centuries, mme le gompieno le palelwa le ke permitting, my ministry will consider undertaking go e akanyetsa because fa re baya policy ya 10 km periodic maintenance of the sections between which was considered ka nako eo, it is still going to Omaweneno and Tsabong and Werda to Kokotsha in disadvantage…(Inaudible)… mo go nthayang gore the 2021/2022 financial year. This include resealing and for the next 20 years or so, Maleshe is not going to be strengthening of pavement layers. It is expected that having an access road which feeds it ka thulaganyo ya these interventions will greatly improve the condition go ka dira sekonetere Mr Speaker. A mme gone re direla and the riding quality of this road. batho ba kgaolo e sentle rraetsho?

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga gona Mopalamente. AWARD OF TENDERS IN SECURITY SECTOR

HONOURABLE MEMBER: O bua…(Inaudible)… MR G. KEKGONEGILE (MAUN EAST): asked the Minister of Finance and Economic Development if MR SEGOKGO: Thank you honourable. I must make he is aware that the award of tenders to lowest bidders an admission that I do not have dates for commencement in the security sector compromises quality of service of works on the Makopong-Werda section and I do and breeds continuous conflict between employee and apologise for that. I will make sure that I make those employer; and to further clarify: available to you and soonest. (i) if the ministry has any intentions of engaging Indeed, as you said honourable, with respect to the status Public Procurement and Asset Disposal Board of the road, we are quite aware that it is in a bad state (PPADB) to change the assessment criteria on the but I want to say this, it would not be correct for me just security sector; simply to comment and say that the section of roads that you are speaking about does need reconstruction. We (ii) if the current assessment criteria makes it will base it on a proper assessment to see which sections compulsory for bidders to be considerate of do need reconstruction. possible minimum wage increments over the contract years; and I note what you said about Maleshe, but really I must just reiterate that consideration of that road will be (iii) if the current assessment criteria makes it under the Access Policy. My hope is that it will not in compulsory for bidders to include relief guards fact, take the 20 years you indicate or allude to; much package and severance pay benefits in their bids. as I do not have a time frame to give you at this point in time. Ke a leboga. MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT (DR MATSHEKA): Mr Speaker, MR BROOKS: Further supplementary. Thank you Mr allow me at the onset to indicate that I am not aware Speaker. Honourable Minister, tanki for the answers that awarding of tenders to lowest bidders in the but my concern is the road e o buang ka yone, between security sector compromises quality of service and Makopong and Kokotsha, the 30 kilometres e e saleng breeds continuous conflict between employees and the e simologile ka October 2018, e e neng e filwe ngwaga, employers. The provision of security services in public are you aware that every time fa re tla Palamenteng, e procurement is classified as a simple service of a standard dirwa five kilometres, every time? Maabane ke ne ke nature where established practices and standards exist. le kwa tseleng eo fa o ne o sa mpone mo Palamenteng Hence, it uses the Least-Cost Selection (LCS) services jaana, e ne e dirwa gape the five kilometres. Every time method of evaluation, which has been provided for fela fa gotwe Palamente e a tsena, e a dirwa. As of now, go setse go dirilwe about 60 per cent, mme e ne e filwe under Regulation 47 of the Public Procurement and nako ya 12 months Minister. A o batla go nthaya o re re Asset Disposal Board (PPADB) Regulations. It is to be tshwanetse re dumele gore madi a Puso a bo a dirisiwa noted that this method, despite it being termed Least- ka tsela e e ntseng jaana, mo nakong e e kanakana mo Cost Selection services, it does not only evaluate price. go sa berekeleng setšhaba le batho ba Kgalagadi, go sa A Two-Envelope submission method is followed, ba sologele molemo ka tsela epe Mr Minister? Thank under which the quality of service, which is technical you sir. evaluation is first assessed and bidders that do not meet the said technical threshold are disqualified. Technical MR SEGOKGO: Honourable Brooks, thank you so evaluation is intended to assess the technical response much for giving me such an informative update about of bidders and their capacity to render services, hence how that process has been going. I wish to say to you the requirement that only bidders that meet the said that, that is wrong. It is absolutely wrong. It does not technical requirements can proceed to cost or financial benefit us as Government or community for example; evaluations stage. if these projects are not running according to their deliberate times. I wish to ask you, that I take what you Mr Speaker, bidders that proceed to cost and financial have informed me, verified, and therefore, see what evaluation stage are then assessed on the reasonableness action we can take to ensure that there is expeditious of prices that they have proposed. Furthermore, the completion of the section of that road. It is wrong sir. assessment ensures that their prices include the various

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pricing components that should be catered for under services, including employee cost as stated in the security services. The Invitation to Tender (ITT) and ITT. Therefore, the assessment criteria set out in bidder’s response are broken down and clearly indicate the ITT with the procuring entities may include the various price components. Mr Speaker, if the bidder guard relief packages and severance pay benefits. awarded a tender, fails to deliver or pay employees, that I thank you Mr Speaker. will no longer be an issue of procurement but a company failing to meet or manage its resources. MR KEKGONEGILE: Supplementary. Tanki Mr Speaker. Honourable Minister, fa re bua jaana, security (i) Mr Speaker, it should be noted that the assessment personnel ya Letsholathebe and the entire Maun criteria used in tenders is determined by procuring District Health Management Team (DHMT) le gone fa entities based on their needs, for example; Parliamentary flats fa re nnang teng fa, ba na le dikgwedi number of guards required, need for relief tse pedi ba sa duelwe. A o raya gore dikompone tse guards, requirement for weekends and holiday tsotlhe tse di mo security, tse babereki ba tsone ba lelang services etcetera. This notwithstanding, PPADB ka go tlhoka go duelwa, tsotlhe ke mismanagement? A has through the pricing instructions that are ga o bone go na le bothata jwa gore, the prices tse go issued as part of the ITT, provided guidance on hirwang security companies ka tsone di kwa tlase, mo e price breakdown and how bidders are to itemise leng gore batho ba, ba palelwa ke go duela babereki? Fa their rates according to the various components o bona di le kwa tlase, go dirwa ke eng? A ga go dirwe that make up their price. The PPADB, the ke gore they bid ka prices tse di kwa tlase just to get a Ministerial Tender Committees (MTCs) and tender? If that is so, what do you think is the solution District Administration Tender Committees Honourable Minister? (DATCs) are required to vet tender documents to ensure compliance with procurement guidelines. DR MATSHEKA: Mr Speaker, ke dumela gore Furthermore, Mr Speaker, procurement entities are Honourable Member o tswa mo potsong e a e boditseng. provided with guidance on how to prepare bidding O mpotsa ka maikutlo a me. O bua ka motho yo o documents, an assessment or evaluation criteria kopileng to provide a service at a particular level and through capacity building workshops. Where won a tender. Ba bangwe ba paletswe ke to win a tender there are capacity gaps that exist at procuring ene a e tshotse, a bo a palelwa ke to manage his tender entities, PPADB will continue to engage and guide outcomes, ka tsela e a kgonang go duela babereki. Go as necessary. raya gore jaanong re fetole ka fa re lebelelang tenders ka teng. Nnyaa, it cannot work like that. The tender process Mr Speaker, the current assessment criteria adequately e diretswe go tlhopha yo o itshupileng a le botoka at provide for evaluation of security services. However, the technical level to deliver the tender and also at the the ministry is in the process of reviewing the current price level. I have said that the price includes all the procurement law and its regulations and accordingly, components that are stated in the ITT. Therefore, we it will reconsider looking at all tender methods with a expect the winner of the tender to manage that contract, view to closing all gaps that may exists. together with the procuring entity to make sure if they (ii) Mr Speaker, allow me to indicate that statutory are unable to provide their service, there is a termination minimum wage adjustments are mandatory in Clause. The entity that procured can terminate that nature and are accordingly provided for on all contract and get a service provider who can do it. Thank contracts as per Regulation 81 of the PPADB you Mr Speaker. Regulations. PPADB has issued Circular No.1 of HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. 2019 to guide procuring entities on the application of price adjustments in running contracts including MR SPEAKER (MR SKELEMANI): Last provision for minimum wage increments over the supplementary. contract period. MR MMOLOTSI: Supplementary. Thank you Mr (iii) Mr Speaker, I wish to state that the PPADB Act, Speaker. Tona, re a lemoga gore go bokete thatathata PPADB Regulations and Procurement Guidelines gore security companies ba duele babereki. A go bokete require that bidders must include all the necessary gore tenders tse jaaka ba di neelwa, fa ba se na go hira, costs that will enable them to perform the required then submit dituelo tsa badiri gore ba duelwa bokae to

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maphata ba dirisa services tsa bone? Goromente e bo e Year No of trips Total Cost (BWP) nna ene a duelang gona le gore go duelwe security madi otlhe, e bo company e sa duele batho. Ke bua se ka gore, 2015/2016 4 69, 484.25 go setse go lebega go pala gore security companies di 2016/2017 8 72,484.75 kgone to manage thulaganyo e ya go duela babereki. 2017/2018 7 108,540.70 DR MATSHEKA: Mr Speaker, tota ga ke tlhaloganye Rre Mmolotsi, a re fa a na le company a e tsamaisa, a bo (ii) The total number of trips undertaken by the a neelwa tender, go bo gotwe jaanong re le Goromente department during the same years are as follows; re duele babereki ba gagwe; nnyaa, Rre Mmolotsi. Re tshwanetse gore fa o na le company… e seng jalo Year No. of trips Total Cost (BWP) you will never ever see an improvement in the quality 2015/2016 14 159,330.65 and composition tsa businesses tsa Batswana. O ka bo gongwe o nthaya o re, le ye go thusa batho ba to run 2016/2017 18 171,069.30 businesses tsa bone ka tsela e ba kgonang go diragatsa 2017/2018 28 304, 594.50 maitlamo a ba neng ba rile ba ya go a dira, ba dirisa babereki bao. Goromente o leka go tswa mo ditirong tsa (iii) The number of officers besides the Director who private sector. You are suggesting gore re simolole re travelled in the same years and the costs are as tsamaise companies tse di private, nnyaa rraetsho, ga ke follows; dumele jalo at least. Thank you Mr Speaker.

INTERNATIONAL TRIPS UNDERTAKEN BY Year No of officers Total Cost (BWP) THE DIRECTOR OF DWMPC 2015/2016 8 89,846.40 MR M. REATILE (JWANENG-MABUTSANE): 2016/2017 8 98,585.55 asked the Minister of Environment, Natural Resources 2017/2018 17 198, 053.80 Conservation and Tourism to apprise this Honourable House on; (iv) The last part of the question Mr Speaker, is asking (i) the number of international trips undertaken by the about the value of these trips to the department, Director of the Department of Waste Management the ministry and the Government as a whole Mr and Pollution Control (DWMPC) during Financial Speaker. Years 2015/2016, 2016/2017 and 2017/2018 as well as the cost of such trips respectively; The Waste Management Sector in the country has benefited in the following ways through these (ii) the total number of international trips undertaken by the department during the same financial years; international trips.

(iii) the number of officers besides the Director who (a) Capacity building; Mr Speaker, these international travelled in the same years and the cost thereof; trips have helped to enhance the department’s and capacity in managing resistant pollutants (iv) the value the trips have added to the waste as in the case of Minamata convention on management sector in the country. mercury, development of policies and inventory management. MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT, NATURAL RESOURCES CONSERVATION AND TOURISM (b) It also enhanced the level of partnerships whereby (MS KERENG): I thank you Mr Speaker, good the ministry was able to undertake research work afternoon. I hope today maranyane a tlaa mperekela in collaboration with other research institutions; botoka. Mr Speaker, for example; collaboration with Canada in doing (i) The total number of international trips undertaken the global scientific research on Global Mercury by the Director of the Department of Waste Pollution, and the partnership with Germany and Management and Pollution Control during the Republic of South Africa on equipment that is financial years 2015/2016; 2016/2017; 2017/2018 being used currently to measure air quality and the stand as follows; level of pollution in the air.

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(c) Again in terms of resources mobilisation Mr (IWM) policies and the Bill which are being drafted mo Speaker, our participation in these meetings and nakong ya gompieno, tse di tlileng go bua, tse e bileng conferences have enabled us to secure funding di le informed ke mesepele ya rona re ntse re ithuta mo from donor agencies for three major projects. mafatsheng a mangwe.

• For the Minamata initial assessment, the project has Ke dumela gore fa o tlaa tsenya tlhogo kana tlhaloganyo been funded at US$145,000.00; ya gago mo Bill eo jaaka e tlaabo e tla rra, o tlaa re thusa gore e fete re tle re fefose dikgang tsa matlakala, re • We also received US$123,000.00 for the Poly- fokotse matlakala a a yang kwa landfills, go dirwe bo Chlorinated Biphenyl (PCBs) elimination project. It recycling project, le businesses di kgone go bona letseno is all about pollution control Mr Speaker. la madi ka to recycle le go dirisa matlakala gape, re • €127, 000.00 for the automated water quality ntse re lebeletse gore re batla go phepafatsa ditoropo le assessment for the Okavango and Chobe Rivers. magae a rona rra. Ke seemo se se re tshwentseng, mme These are occupational projects that are currently mesepele e, e re thusitse gore re nne le bokgoni, re kgone ongoing Mr Speaker. I thank you. go nna le partners tse di re thusitseng gore re tle go bopa this IWP Policy and the Bill. Thank you Mr Speaker. MR REATILE: Supplementary. Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke leboga Tona ka karabo ya gagwe e e tlhapileng eo. COVID-19 FUND Tona, tota background ya potso ya me ke gore, ke ne ke batla go itse gore a mme re a tle re itshwantshanye le MR O. RAMOGAPI (PALAPYE): asked the Minister mafatshe a mangwe, e bile re a tle re etele kwa go one? of Finance and Economic Development to state: Potso ya me ke gore, Honourable Minister, fa ba lephata (i) the amount, equipment and any other assistance le ba ya mafatsheng a mangwe, golo mo ga gore jaanong donated to the COVID-19 Fund and how it has e bo e le gore nako le nako fa o re re nna le lefelo la been utilised; matlakala, le nna mo matlhong a setšhaba, le nna fela fa thoko ga ditsela tse ditona, mabaka a teng ke eng? (ii) how much Government contributed or set aside in the fight against COVID-19 and how it has been Fa o re o lebelela dinoka jaaka melapo ya bo Notwane expended (spent); and mo Gaborone, leswe la teng le tlhomola pelo. A gone fa ga ba nke ba ithuta go bona gore metsi a a tshwanang le (iii) when Parliament will be availed an audited a, re ka simolola gore e re fa ba ntse ba eta jaana, ba ye financial report on the COVID-19 Fund, which go rutegela gore re ka simolola go tsena mo tirisong ya is a public fund and should be audited for the go phepafatsa dinoka tse di tshwanang le tse di leng fa purposes of transparency, accountability and good gare ga rona mo toropong ka tsela e e ntseng jang? Ke governance. a leboga. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister of Finance and …Silence… Economic Development! MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister! …Silence… MS KERENG: Yes! I am trying to unmute, e etla e mute HONOURABLE MEMBER: O a bo a ka sia kana! … gape. (Laughter!)… O kae Speaker? Motlotlegi o e tshwere sentle, kana ke ne ke supa gore MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister of Finance! lephata benefited kana le bona mosola wa trips tse ka ditsela tse di farologaneng tsa go ithuta le gone gore …Silence… ditirelo tse le di dirang e nne tse di tlaa tsamaelanang le selekanyo kana seemo sa boleng sa mafatshefatshe, le HONOURABLE MEMBER: Owai! gone go bona madi a a ka thusang. MR SPEAKER: It looks like there is a hitch. Ke dumalana le wena rra gore seemo sa leswe le matlakala HONOURABLE MEMBER: O siile. ga se itumedise. Ke sone se mo bogompienong re leng mo nakong e developing Integrated Waste Management MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa!

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!)… for teachers in Selebi Phikwe Junior and Senior Secondary Schools, in particular he should state: MR SPEAKER: Rona re a mmona. (i) the number of teachers per school and number HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Laughter!)… Madi a of houses in each school; a mantsi thata, o siile.

…Silence… (ii) the number of teachers sharing houses in each school; HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ramogapi, o a tlhodia. (iii) the number of those sharing houses in each MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister! school and are married; and

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Fa re tšhaisa a sale fa, le (iv) what the effect of this accommodation sale le mo ruta. shortage is on teachers and how he will address HONOURABLE MEMBER: Can we move to the this problem. next question? MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION (MR UNIVERSAL ACCESS TO GENERAL MOLAO): Mr Speaker, thank you. I am audible, but PRACTITIONERS there is some echo somewhere. Mr Speaker, MR T. LETSHOLO (KANYE NORTH): asked the (i) The following are the numbers of teachers per Minister of Health and Wellness whether subject to managing conflict of interest, it is feasible for the purpose school and of houses in each school in Selebi of enabling universal access to General Practitioners Phikwe; for the ministry to allow private General Practitioners to consult at Government clinics and hospitals; and to School Number of Number of Houses further state: Teachers Boikhutso 47 34 (i) what viable best practice examples he can share from other countries for this model; and Phatshimo 49 34

(ii) what retention incentives exist for talented doctors, Meepong 55 36 nurses and other professionals in Government Selebi Phikwe 126 85 healthcare. Makhubu 56 39 MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister of Health and Lebogang 54 34 Wellness! Total 387 262 …Silence… (ii) Mr Speaker, the following are number of teachers MR SPEAKER: Dr Dikoloti! sharing houses in each one of these schools; …Silence… School Number of Teachers Sharing MR SPEAKER: Honourable Minister of Health and Boikhutso 10 Wellness! Phatshimo 4 …Silence… Meepong 4 ACCOMMODATION FOR SELEBI PHIKWE Selebi Phikwe 40 TEACHERS Makhubu 25 MR D. L. KEORAPETSE (SELEBI PHIKWE Lebogang 19 WEST): asked the Minister of Basic Education to brief this Honourable House on the accommodation situation Total 102

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(iii) The following are number of married teachers teng, e tsweletse, e re ka e bonang, wa re e supegetsa sharing in each one of these schools; gore nnyaa mme le fa o bona re le fa jaana, ke e ya go leka to address letlhoko la boroko la barutabana, e seng School Number of Married Teachers fela gore go tlaa agiwa matlo. A ga go na plan e nngwe Sharing besides ya gore fa madi a le teng, go tlaa agiwa matlo Boikhutso 3 ka gore gantsinyana dikarabo tse di fiwang di supa gore madi ga a kitla a nna teng? Phatshimo 4 HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Meepong 0 Selebi Phikwe 15 MR MOLAO: Go na le ba ba buang Mr Speaker, jaanong ga ke itse gore ke tlaa tsena fa kae. Makhubu 8 MR SPEAKER: …(Inaudible)… Lebogang 12 Total 42 MR MOLAO: Ee rra.

(iv) Lastly Mr Speaker, my ministry does not have HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… sufficient housing to provide individual houses for MR MOLAO: Potso ya ntlha Mr Speaker, fa ke ntseng all of its employees, even though that is our desire. I teng fa ga ke a tshwara dipalo Honourable Member, am aware of the effects of sharing accommodation tsa gore ba ba ka tswang ba nna kwa ntle ga sekolo which can lead to stress, low morale and currently ba kae, mme re ka di batla. Se re se dirang ke gore, re with the COVID-19 pandemic, an increased risk leka ka bojotlhe gore re nne re isa barutabana, le bone of infection for those who live in one dwelling. fa gongwe ba ikopela gore nna ke batla go isiwa kwa My ministry will continue to procure and build houses Selebi Phikwe e le sekai, ka gore ke na le ntlo ya me for teachers, subject to funds availability as we move teng, fa ke ka tlhoka boroko kwa sekolong ke ka ya go along. I thank you Mr Speaker. nna teng. Kgotsa bangwe ba lelwapa ba teng kwa, ke ka ya go nna koo, jaanong nkisang teng. Ke sengwe se HONOURABLE MEMBERS: Supplementary. e leng gore we encourage it across our schools gore ba ba kgonang, ba na le maroko a bone gautshwane le fa MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Ke a leboga ba berekelang teng, re nne re ba thuse, ba ye gone koo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Minister, go re thusa kgang e ya boroko. Ba bangwe ba kgona go ke botse gore mo dipalong tse o re di fileng tse tsa dira jalo, fa gongwe ga go kgonege, but ke ka go batlela barutabana who are sharing, a go na le ba gongwe o dipalo tsa gore ba ba nnang kwa ntle ba kae. nang le palo ya bone ba sa nne mo matlong a sekolo, gongwe e le go leka to avoid kgang ya sharing, ba bo ba Availability ya matlo a BCL; I must be honest gore e felela ba nna kwa ntle ga sekolo? Ke santlha. re ntswa re itse gore BCL go fudugilwe, kana se se teng re ntse re itse fa moepo o le ka fa tlase ga process Sabobedi; kana toropo ya Selebi Phikwe re na le ya liquidation. Ke dumela gore we can talk to the dingwaga di tsamaela four, moepo wa BCL o ntse o liquidators, go bona gore a ke matlo a ba ka a hirisetsang tswetswe since 2016. Go na le matlo a mantsi a BCL a maphata, ra bona fa re ka kgonang teng gore a re ka a e leng gore ga a dilapidated, a a ka bong gongwe a ne hirisang ke afe. We will pursue that option. Ga re ka a dirisitswe gore barutabana ba name ba le mo go one. ke ra tsamaya re reka matlo kana re aga a a lekaneng, Ga ke itse gore a o ne o kile wa utlwalela sengwe ka mme gongwe fela as a matter of fact, ka 2014, go ne ga availability ya matlo a, kana ga o ise o ke o e utlwalele? rekwa matlo a le 18 kwa Botswana Housing Corporation (BHC), kwa Selebi Phikwe, a rekelwa barutabana. Sabofelo; ke go botse Tona, seemo se ke karabo e e Mo nakong ya gompieno mo ngwageng o wa madi motlhofo, e e nnang e fiwa ke Matona ka go farologana, o re tsenang mo go one, e le ka fa tlase ga lenaneo la le wena o le mo teng ya gore funds permitting, re tlaa Public Private Partnership (PPP), we will be procuring a nna re leka gore re se dire. A go na le plan e e leng gore transactional advisor, yo o tlaa re thusang gore lenaneo it is in place, go baakanya kana go tokafatsa seemo sa la PPP la to provide accommodation for teachers across barutabana sa boroko? A go na le plan nngwe e e leng the country, re ka le dira jang, kwa mafelong a a ntseng

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jang. Ke plan e re setseng re na le yone. Le mo budget e re e kopileng, we have a component ya go leka go aga matlo kwa re ka kgonang go aga teng. Dipalo ga di ke di lekane go boammaaruri, mme fela dikakanyo tse dingwe le fa e ise e nne plan e re ka e dirang re le nosi, ke tsa gore gongwe fa go kgonegang teng, ntleng ga go aga matlo, gongwe go nne le dipuisanyo le ba Department of Public Service Management (DPSM) go bona gore fa go kgonegang teng, barutabana ba ka fiwa sort of an allowance gore ba ipatlele matlo fa ba ka a bonang teng, e nne something to pursue. Ke sengwe se se tlhokang tshekatsheko le dipuisanyo tse di ka dirwang, go akareditswe le one makgotla a barutabana le banaleseabe botlhe. Like I am saying, ngwaga le ngwaga we procure certain amount of houses, mme gompieno re lebile yone ya PPP jaaka ke ne ke bua, gore e ka re thusa go oketsa matlo across the country. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker.

MATERNAL MORTALITY

MR T. B. LUCAS (BOBONONG): asked the Minister of Health and Wellness to update this Honourable House on the state of maternal mortality in the last five years; and to further state: (i) the contributory factors to maternal mortality in order of significance;

(ii) initiatives to prevent maternal mortality and whether such are effective; and

(iii) the top five health facilities in the country that have had the highest number of maternal deaths in the last two years.

ASSISTANT MINISTER OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS (MR LELATISITSWE): Thank you Mr Speaker. Let me first apologise, we had technical problems this side when Letsholo’s question was asked and we were still battling these Information Technology (IT) gadgets.

Mr Speaker, the state of maternal mortality in Botswana for the last five years is as follows:

Category 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 Maternal Deaths 73 85 75 71 87 Maternal Mortality Ratio (per 100, 000 127.0 156.6 143.2 133.7 166.3 live births)

Mr Speaker,

(i) the contributory factors to maternal mortality in order of significance are as follows:

(a) Strategic Consideration and health facility related factors

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MR SPEAKER: Technical problems?

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MR SPEAKER: …(Inaudible)…

MR LELATISITSWE: (a) Health facility related factors

• Inadequate blood and blood products at health facilities

• Inadequate supplies and equipment

• Inadequate Intensive Care Unit (ICU) facilities

• Inadequate air services at night in remote areas

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(b) Health worker related factors 2019 Facility Total • Delayed service provision or interventions Princess Marina Hospital 33 • Delayed referrals Nyangabgwe Referral Hospital 10

• Supervision and monitoring Sekgoma Primary Hospital 6 Ghanzi Primary Hospital 4 (c) Patient factors Letsholathebe Hospital, and • Poor Health Seeking behaviour in respect to delayed Primary Hospital action and seeking help 3 each

• Late or failure to book for antenatal care 2020 Princess Marina Hospital 23 • Poor adherence to medical advice Nyangabgwe Referral Hospital 13 (ii) Mr Speaker, some of the initiatives that are undertaken to prevent maternal mortality are: Sekgoma Primary Hospital 4 Letsholathebe and Scottish 3 each • Strategic change of direction with focus being put on Hospital primary health care I thank you Mr Speaker. • Promotion and expansion of family planning services, for example, the introduction of inplanon; MR LUCAS: Supplementary. Thank you very much Mr Speaker. Tona, kgang e ya gore e re bomme ba ya • Provision of youth friendly services within clinics, kwa peleging ba bo ba tlhokafala, e tshwenya thata. with the sole aim of educating young people about On average ka dipalo tse o di buileng, go supafala sexuality; gore gongwe bomme ba le 140 out of every 100 000 • Capacity building of health care workers, to improve ba a tlhokafala mo Botswana ka nako ya pelegi. Mme quality of care; go supafala gore go na le mafatshe jaaka Norway a go tlhokafalang bomme ba le babedi fela out of 100 000; • Maternal mortality monitoring system to understand Sweden go tlhokafala four out of every 100 000. Go what caused or contributed to the deaths so as to supafala gore mabaka a dirang gore bomme ba tlhokafale prevent such occurrences; nako ya pelegi a kgona go fokodiwa gore dipalo tse di wele kwa tlase. Ke go botse gore plan or target ya lona • Providing a comprehensive post abortion care: ke eng go ya kwa bofelong jwa National Development women or couples are counselled and offered Plan (NDP)11 ya gore le batla gore bomme ka mabaka family planning, or referred for other services as the a pelegi le bo le fokoditse 140 o le 100 000 ka batho ba situation may require; le kae? Ke potso ya ntlha. Rraetsho ka go na le mafatshe a a supang sentle mo kgannyeng e ya gore bomme ba • The implantation of the Maternal Mortality se ka ba tlhokafala ka nako ya pelegi, a go na le dingwe Reduction Initiative (MMRI), a strategy designed to tse le setseng le di ithutile kwa go bone tse gongwe le improve quality of care by instituting high impact ka kgonang go di diragatsa ka kwano go fokotsa palo e? interventions during antenatal, delivery and post- natal periods; Sa bofelo ke gore, target ya lona for 2036 ka re nna re bua gore ka 2036 batho ba tlaabo ba tshela botoka, • The involvement of males in sexual reproductive a mme re na le target ya gore ka nako eo le tlaabo le health matters, this is aimed at ensuring that men fokoditse go le kae bomme ba ba tlhokafalang ka nako and women sexuality and can assist and support the ya pelegi? Ke a leboga. partners in an informed way. MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Go (iii) Mr Speaker, the top five facilities in the country araba mokaulengwe, ke supe jalo gore ke letshwenyego that have had the highest number of maternal le mo go rona gore bomme ba bo ba tlhokafala ka nako death the last two years are: ya pelegi. Honourable Member o file dikai tsa mafatshe

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a matona thata, e bile if we compare them le la Botswana ke gone e neng e isiwa kwa go bone ka jeko. You are in terms of education ya batho teng, go lebelela dikgang right Honourable Matho, you ought to be informed. I tsa botsogo, ke gore people are health conscious. Ga was of that impression that you were informed. I am gona the delay ya go tla go ikwadisa, mo batho ba sorry that happened. It should never happen because itlhokomolosang fa gongwe ba nna kwa merakeng o ne o tla o ipaakantse gore gongwe o tlaa botsa le jalojalo, dilo tse tsotlhe. Ga di yo kwa mafatsheng ao. supplementaries, only to find that there is a corrigendum Re le lefatshe la Botswana, ke tsaya gore go araba potso and your question is removed. It was wrong. ya gago ya ntlha ke re, le rona re tshwenyegile jaaka o bona mo potsong ya gagwe ya bobedi ya supplementary DR GOBOTSWANG: Further procedure Mr Speaker. ke tsaya gore ke tlaabo ke boelela se ke se buileng mo Kgang e ya gore Matona ba amogela dipotso ba bo ba part (ii) of his question e a e boditseng ya strategies, lemoga gore ga se tsa maphata a bone, ba bo ba nna initiatives tse re lekang go di dira re le lephata go thibela go fitlhelela motsotso wa bofelo ba bo ba supa gore di gore bomme ba tlhokafale ka bokete. Ke tsaya gore tseo tshwanetse gore di isiwe kwa maphateng a mangwe, we focused mo go tsone mo seemong se sa gompieno. tota e re ntsha mo tsamaisong ka gore fa e setse e le mo Ke supe jalo gore maikaelelo a rona globally, go leka go Order Paper, re na le tsholofelo le ba ba eletsang go itse fokotsa ntlha e, e a supa gore ke 70 per 100 000 e e leng dikarabo tseo. Ba a bo ba na le tsholofelo ya gore potso gore ke yone target ya rona ya 2030, le rona re gone foo. eo e ya go bodiwa e bile karabo e tlaa ya go nna teng Mr Jaaka o buile gore we are hovering around 140, se o se Speaker. I thank you. buang ke boammaaruri, mme target ya rona rra ke yone MR SPEAKER: Honourable Dr Gobotswang, you are ya at least 70 in 100 000 population. Strategies ke tsaya quite right. The questions appear on the Notice Paper gore re setse re di buile, fa re ka di boelela re ka tsaya nako e ntsi. Ke a leboga. and sent to the ministries ahead of even the Notice Paper. That means we are lax. Those responsible, the MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, we have administrators in the ministries ought to pick that thing overshot the runway. We have only done six questions, the up immediately gore potso e ga se ya rona and not at rest should move on to tomorrow. Regarding tomorrow, the last minute. If that is so, it is also an indication that when we look at the questions which have been noticed the answers we are getting di a bo di apeilwe ka bofefo and indeed…(Inaudible)…to the Ministers, it appears jo bo gakgamatsang, ka motsotso wa bofelo. That is not that there may be not enough questions to cover two how it works in any Government. That message had hours. Therefore, what we are going to do is that we will been relayed to the Permanent Secretaries (PSs) that move these questions to tomorrow, and I think that may it should not happen that way. Therefore, you are right be around 12. We will also then put the appropriation Honourable Dr Gobotswang, it is very disturbing. after the questions; not before, not to interfere with the Question Time, so that those who want to speak should HONOURABLE MEMBER: One more procedure Mr come prepared. Speaker.

MR MATHOOTHE: On a point of procedure Mr MR SPEAKER: Let us not waste time because ga re Speaker. Mr Speaker, ke botse gore a go mo tsamaisong na go boelwa ke sepe, it concerns laxity which we have gore e re ke tsentse potso e bo e ntshiwa in today’s Order seen. We do not have time for debate. I will rather… we Paper ke sa bolelelwa? go on with the debate.

MR SPEAKER: Obviously not, ga go ka ke ga nna mo MR MOTSAMAI: Procedure. Mr Speaker, go go tsamaisong. You ought to have been informed why that khutshwane fela. Sa me ke kgakololo ya tsamaiso Mr is so. The information I got Honourable Mathoothe was Speaker. Mapalamente ba botsa dipotso, mme fa ba sena that your question had as of today been referred to another go di botsa, Matona gongwe ba ya go tsaya dikgang di ministry. As I read it also, the Ministry for Presidential sele tse dintsintsi ba araba potso e khutshwane fela. Se Affairs, Governance and Public Administration was ke ka se kopang ke gore Matona ba nne ba khutsafatsa saying that it is not their question but rather that of (summarise) dikarabo tsa bone gore Mapalamente ba Defence, Justice and Security. However, you ought kgone go nna le follow-ups mo dipotsong ka gore ba a to be informed that Ministry of Defence, Justice and bo ba busetsa feedback kwa batlhophing. Ke a leboga Security was not able to answer your question because Mr Speaker.

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MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Motsamai. tsamaelane, it is one thing to be explained and debated. Yes, I was almost tempted twice to direct that the answer What I did after that debate was to contact ba Finance be given to the Honourable Member who asked because gore kgang ke e, I cannot as a Speaker debate these I did not think that some of the things we are being figures myself in the way I understand them. It is better told in attempt to answer a simple question were really if they come and make a statement before they reply to necessary. Ke kgang e re tlaa e buang when we have the general debates on the Second Reading. That is what more time to indicate how answers could be shortened I expected the Minister would do today. Go fitlhelela and the extra information which is really unnecessary re tsena in the House, I had not seen the statement and should not come. therefore in terms of the Standing Orders, I would not allow anybody to come and read a statement I have not There was an addendum indicating the issue of the seen. Hence the Minister has just indicated that it will be statement by Finance. I think they have disappeared; they tomorrow, regarding that very issue. are not ready. Therefore, we move on to appropriation. MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC HONOURABLE MEMBER: Statement seo se tsoga DEVELOPMENT (DR MATSHEKA): Thank you se dirwa kamoso. Mr Speaker. I think it is very important Mr Speaker, APPROPRIATION (2021/2022) BILL, and I appreciate that you have made it clear that there is 2021 (NO. 2 OF 2021) nothing wrong with the numbers. Unfortunately, there have been other misinterpretations that were made by Second Reading Members during the debates. Given the gravity of what Honourable Reatile has said, we will indeed share the (Resumed Debate) statement with you this evening Mr Speaker, for us to MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members. deliver it tomorrow. Thank you. The debate is resuming. When the House adjourned MR SPEAKER: There you are Honorable Leader of yesterday, Honourable Mathoothe was on the floor. He the Opposition (LOO), we should be able to deal with is left with 17 minutes 56 seconds. the matter tomorrow. MR MATHOOTHE (SEROWE NORTH): Thank HONOURABLE MEMBER: Thank you sir. you Mr Speaker… MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much. LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR SALESHANDO): On a point of procedure Mr Speaker. MR MATHOOTHE: Thank you Mr Speaker, ke Mr Speaker, o tlaa gakologelwa gore maabane fa tswelele fa ke emeng teng maabane. Re letse re kgaogane Mopalamente wa Jwaneng-Mabutsane Rre Reatile a ke ne ke bua ka gore, dingwe tse di tshwanetseng go bua, o ne a supa dilo dingwe tse di sa tsamaelaneng le se lebiwa fa re bua ka to empower Batswana, bogolo jang se mo Mid-Term Review, mme di tsentswe mo Estimates mo mohameng wa agriculture. Kwa Serowe re na le tsa gompieno. I do not want to second-guess, ga ke itse kwa go bidiwang gotwe kwa Radihemelo, ke gone kwa gore a statement se nneng Minister wa Finance a batla go tlhatswiwang metsi a a leswe a a tlaabong a dirisiwa go se bua se tsamaelana le kgang ya teng kana nnyaa? ke balemi gore ba tle ba leme dijwalo ka go farologana. Re tlhomamisetswe gore re ya go tlhalosetswa leng ka Re na le letamo la Dikabeya kwa Palapye, le balemi ba dipalo tse di beilweng fa pele ga Palamente ka gore we leng teng koo. Ditsha tse di tshwanetse gore e re fa go may be debating a budget e kamoso go tsogang gotwe re dirwa lease agreements, le balemi ba ba tlaabong ba boela morago se re neng re le se beile pele, mme malatsi batla go lema, dingwe tse di tshwanetseng go tsenngwa a go buisanya budget a setse a re siile. A ba tlhalositse mo teng ke gore, go tlhomamisiwe gore yo o batlang gore ba tlaa tla ba re bolelela leng ka dipalo tse di sa go lema, a ke molemi tota. Gore re se ka ra iphitlhela tsamaelaneng le se se mo Mid-Term Review? Ke a re feletse re neela motho setsha, se kamoso jaanong leboga. a tlaabong a batla go se hirisetsa yo mongwe. Ke one mathata a re kopanang le one, these policies fa di dirwa MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, ga go na go tshwanetse go tsenelelwa kwa teng. Go nne le Clause dipalo tse di sa tsamaelaneng. There is a position by fela e e tlhamaletseng gore, fa o palelwa ke go lema, re Honourable Reatile gore dipalo ga di tsamaelane. a se tsaya re se neela yo mongwe. Ke gone ka fa e leng That is one position. Gore a ke boammaaruri ga di gore we can ensure production ka teng.

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Fa ke bua jaana, fa o ya kwa Dikabeya o ya go fitlhela e farologana thata le e e kwa Aferika Borwa. Fa o bua ka batho ba neetswe ditsha, they have signed the leases tsa 95 per cent effectiveness ya one, o kgona go bona gore o 25 years, mme motho tota a sena maikaelelo a go lema. botoka thata. Fa o lebelela gore fa re bua ka molemo o re Fa a tswa foo o tlaabo a hirisetsa yo mongwe, kana tsayang gore ke one o o kareng fa o tlisitswe Batswana fa a sa leme jalo, yo a bapileng le ene a tlhwaafetse a ba alafiwa ka one, o ka dira gore economy e boele. O lema, o fitlhela ene fa a neetsweng teng a tlogetse go fitlhela projects tse dingwe re tsweletse ka tsone, tse go na le thaga, go bo go raya gore diji di kgona go tswa neng go tlhokafala gore re name re di emisitse. Fa ke ka ka koo, di tsena mo go yo o tlhwaafetseng. Ke dilo tse fa sekai, fa o tsaya project e go tokafadiwang the office di tshwanetseng go lebelelwa thata fa re batla serious of the President ka madi a a kana ka P42 million, e ka production le gore ba ba lemang ba tle ba kgone go hira bo e kgamilwe. Go dirisiwa ga madi a a kana ka P70 ba bangwe. Jaanong kgang e, e tshwanetse e lebelelwe million go reka armored cars, madi a a ka bo a tserwe jalo. E rile kwa tshimologong fa go dirwa kgang e ya ra ntshetsa deposit kwa pele, ra kgona go reka molemo Dikabeya, go ne go tilwe lefatshe leo ke la Agriculture. o e leng gore o ka tla wa thusa Batswana. Fa o lebelela, Gore Agriculture e tle e nne le dithata tsa gore ba ba sa population ya Botswana ga e tona thata, mme fa go ntse kgoneng go lema, ba bo ba kgona gore ba ntshiwe. Go jalo ba le bantsi ba ne ba ka thusega, ka gore mo nakong na le tiro e e tona thata e ba Local Enterprise Authority ya gompieno re tsene mo seemong se se thata. Fa o ya (LEA) ba e dirang, e ba neng ba ikopela kwa Dikabeya. kwa Serowe kwa isolations, kwa batho ba beilweng Ba ikopela jalo ba neela banana, ba bolelela banana bao teng, o ya go fitlhela le bone ba ba tlhokomelang gore tiro ya gago ke gore o leme. Banana bao fa o ya batho ba ba leng koo, dipalo tsa bone di le kwa tlase. teng, they are the ones producing. Ke bone banana ba Ba bereka bosigo le motshegare, o fitlhela e le mathata Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture fela a matona, molemo o tshwanetse go itlhaganelwe, o Development o tshwanetseng go ba sala morago. Rre batliwe ka pela, pele ga setšhaba sa Botswana se nyelela. Rakgare o tshwanetse go sala banana bao morago, go MR LUCAS: Elucidation. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Rre bona gore a tiro ya bone ba e dira sentle, a ba tlhokomele. Mathoothe, kana o bua ka melemo e e ka nnang le bogadi A se ka a tla a diiwa ke gore a bo a ntse a bua ka the jo bo kwa godimo thata bo Pfizer. Gakologelwa gore e former President. Ke yone tiro e tona e a tshwanetseng rile fa re botsa potso ka December, gore re ipaakantse go go lebagana le yone. Fa re bua ka unemployment, re bua le kae go tla go amogela melemo e e tshwanang Pfizer ka 60 per cent e e amang banana. Ke tiro e e tona, e a e e batlang go bewa mo temperatures tse di kwa tlase. tshwanetseng to focus mo go yone. Ke yone kgang e ke Ra bolelelwa gore e bile gongwe re ka se ka ra tlhoka neng ke re ke fete ka yone gore, tota go mosola thata melemo e e ntseng jalo, ka gore go na le e mengwe fela gore ba ba tlhwaafetseng mo temong, re tshwanetse go e o ka e tsayang ka cooler box wa ya go kenta batho. ba tsaya, re ba tshegetse, re ba ise fale. Mo kgaolong ya Golo fa o bua nnete, ga gona tlhwaafalo mo go batleng me ke na le balemi ba ba farologanyeng, ba bantsi ba ba molemo o o tlhwaafetseng, o o ka kgonang go tla go batlang thuso. Ba o bonang gore batho ba ba tlhwaafetse bula itsholelo ya rona. Ke a leboga rra. ba mo temong. O fitlhela e kete re a ba ikgatholosa, ga re ba tlhokomele gore dinako tse tsotlhe re bo re ba thusa MR MATHOOTHE: Thank you sir, go ntse jalo gore ba ye kwa pele. mokaulengwe. Kgang e ya go batla molemo, ke kgang e re neng re tshwanetse gore mo nakong ya gompieno… Ga ke ka ke ka tlhoka go feta ka kgang ya gore, go botlhokwa gore re le lefatshe la Botswana, mo nakong HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ke ne ke ya gompieno re bo re setse re itse gore re beile ditsela tsholeditse ka mafaratlhatlha, mme ga ke arabiwe, ga tsotlhe tsa gore re tle re bone molemo wa COVID-19. le a mpona. O e tla o ipotsa gore dingwe ditshwetso tse di tsewang ke Goromente, a tota go tlhwaafetswe mo go reng go MR SPEAKER: Okay, Honourable Morwaeng, on batliwe molemo. Fa o ka lebelela mo dikomponeng tse what point sir? di setseng di ipapaditse kana di setse di supile gore di na MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL le molemo, go na le molemo o mongwe o o bidiwang AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC gotwe Pfizer, o ba tlhalosang gore it is 95 per cent ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): Ee rra, effective. E bile o ja madi a a kana ka $15, gongwe fa o a ke kopa clarificationmo go Motlotlegi Mathoothe. isa kwa Pula a ka tsamaya fa go P150. Ke yone melemo e mo nakong ya gompieno re ka bong re e leba, ka gore MR MATHOOTHE: Nnyaa, ga ke mo neele.

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MR MORWAENG: Nnyaa, mme ke a leboga. Fa ke feta ke tswa mo dikgannyeng tseo, kgang ya maabane e buiwa fano ke Honourable Reatile ya MR MATHOOTHE: Ke tswelele Mr Speaker, jaaka ke exploration of oil kwa Okavango, ke kgang e re bua ke re ga go a tlhwaafalwa. Potso e e ne ya botswa tshwanetseng ra e bua kana e se ka ya nna sephiri. Ke mo Palamenteng gore, le ipaakantse go le kae? Go ne ga dingwe tsa dikgang tse gongwe fa re bua ka itsholelo, tsewa go le motlhofo fela. Mo nakong ya gompieno… e kare fa oil eo e ya go bonala, gongwe e nne le dilo MR SPEAKER: Honourable Reatile, your hand is up, tse di ka tokafatsang itsholelo ya Botswana. Rona on what point? kwa Botswana Patriotic Front (BPF), ga re tsamaye re tsaya dikgang mo dipampiring, re latela dikompone MR REATILE: I am standing on a point of elucidation. kwa websites tsa bone, re tseye dikgang mo go bone. Ba Botswana ba neetse company ya ReconAfrica MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mathoothe, kgang ke eo. exploration licence ya gore e dupe oil ya go tsena le MR MATHOOTHE: Ke a mo neela. kwa Tsodilo. United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) e e tlhokometseng MR REATILE: Elucidation. Thank you Mr Speaker. historical sites jaaka re itse gore it is a heritage site, ba Honourable, kgang e o e tshwere ka matsetseleko a a ne ba supa gore…(Interruptions)… kwa godimo thata. A mme o lemoga gore fa o bua ka HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, I am Pfizer e e jang $15per dose, ga o bone gore mo go P2.4 standing on a point of order. billion yo o duleng, re ka bo re ne re tsere madi a a kana ka P400 million re bo re a isa kwa komponeng e? Kana MR SPEAKER: Honourable Morwaeng, yes. re ka bo re tshwere melemo e e kana ka 1.9 million, ka MINISTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL P400 million. Gompieno Batswana ba ka bo ba tsamaya AFFAIRS, GOVERNANCE AND PUBLIC ba letsa megolokwane, mongwe le mongwe o ka bo a ADMINISTRATION (MR MORWAENG): On ipoka ka bo Domkrag fa a leng teng le ba Botswana point of order. Mr Speaker, ke ne ke re mokaulengwe, Patriotic Front (BPF) tota. A ga o ka ke wa gakolola fela allegation ya gore dikoloi di rekilwe ka P70 million, gore, ba ye go tsaya madi fa ba a beileng teng, ba ye go ke tlhomamisetse Batswana gore ga se boammaaruri, o dirisa P400 million, ba bo ba tsamaya ka P2 billion fela timetsa setšhaba. It is not correct. Ke bua ke le Minister gore P400 million bogolo ene a ye ka fa Batswaneng. yo o responsible for presidency gore kgang eo is totally Ke a leboga. misleading setšhaba.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wa re ke Pfizer? MR SPEAKER: I think it is a question of correction, rather than order. MR MATHOOTHE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Go ntse jalo mokaulengwe, re ne ra itlhaganela thata go MR MORWAENG: Oh! Ke kopa maitshwarelo tswalelela batho mo matlong, ra simolola ra dirisa madi mongwame. Ke ne ke re ke tlhalose gore madi ao ga ka fa a neng a dirisiwa ka teng. Jaanong gompieno ka se one, ga ke itse kwa a a tsayang teng, a ntse a supa bolwetse bo ile kwa godimo, ke yone nako e madi a ka gore phathi ya bone ya difonkong ga e dumele mo bong a dirisiwa jaaka o bua gore e ka bo e le one a a dipampiring. yang go reka molemo o o lekaneng, Batswana a bo e le gore ba sireletsegile. HONOURABLE MEMBER: One ke bokae?

Fa ke tswelela mo go yone e, kana seemo se re leng MR MATHOOTHE: Mma ke tswelele Mr Speaker. mo go sone gompieno jaana se bokete. Batho ba tewa LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION (MR gotwe nnang kwa malwapeng le nne mo isolation, go le thata go le tlala, ba sena le fa e le dijo. O fitlhela SALESHANDO): On a point of order. Mr Speaker, ke e le gore Batswana ba ba dirileng jalo, ba nna ka go tsaya gore le lemoga se Tona Morwaeng a neng a se letsa, gongwe ba leletsa Mapalamente le Makhanselara dira, Standing Orders tsa re ga o ka ke wa bitsa point e ba re re kopa dijo, le re beile mo malwapeng. Go bo nngwe jaaka a ne a dirile, e re go ise go ye gope, a bo go tsaya sebaka se se leele gape gongwe gore ba tle ba o e fetola o re point of order. Le fa wena o mmolelela tlhatlhobiwe. Ke raya gore ke dikgang tse di thata, ga re gore it was not a point of order, o gataka Standing molemo o senkiwe ka pela. Orders ka dinao a itse, re buile kgang e mo nakong e e

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fetileng. Mr Speaker, ke tsaya gore go botlhokwa gore ba tla ba tsaya information e e tlaa reng kwa morago, Minister Morwaeng a kgalemelelwe go boelela selo se a bo ba ka kgona to apply gore ba drill. So ke ne ke re re tlwaetseng go nna a se dira kgatlhanong le Standing ke tlhatswe golo foo gore ga go a nna jaaka wena o e Orders. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. bolela. Ke a leboga rra.

MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! I thought when he was MR MATHOOTHE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ga gona asking for the floor, Honourable Mathoothe was not gope fa ke timetsang batho teng, I have got facts. You debating this issue of the vehicles. So he could not have issued an exploration licence that included the Tsodilo tried to anticipate something he has never said. I do not Hills. Ba UNESCO, ke bone ba ba neng ba tsenya kgang see how he could have done that. gore you cannot include the historical sites tsa Tsodilo. E e leng gore previously, the licence was covering 9 MINISTER OF YOUTH EMPOWERMENT, 921 square kilometres. Fa ba sena go nna ba complain, SPORT AND CULTURE DEVELOPMENT (MR RAKGARE): On a point of order. Thank you very much ke gone le bo le dumalana le bone, lona le ne le ba Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, I am rising on a point of order, neetse fela. Ba bo ba dumalana le bone and then you I do not think it is right for Honourable Mathoothe gore amended the exploration licence e gompieno that will now exclude the Tsodilo Hills, which originally le ne le a eme mo Palamenteng and say ke diiwa ke go tlhola ba neetse e ntse jalo. Go raya gore UNESCO fa e ne e sa ke bua ka Khama. That is incorrect. Fa a bua gore ke bua, le ka bo le sa baakanya. Gompieno jaana licence ya ‘tlhola,’ the word go ‘tlhola’ le supa gore consistently teng has been reduced from 9 921 square kilometres to 8 and persistently, ke nna ke bua ka Khama and that 990 square kilometres. Ke yone e ntšha jaanong e le ba e is not correct because se a lekang go se romela e le neetseng morago fa ba mafatshefatshe ba sena go nna ba molaetsa kwa setšhabeng, ke gore ke tletse Khama fela mo Palamenteng. So I think he must withdraw mafoko gakolola. Ke gone mo ke reng, fa dilo tse di nna jaana, a, ke mafoko a a sa supeng boikarabelo Mr Speaker. Ke go tshwanetse gore go bewe mo mpaananeng. E bile a leboga. re tlhaloganya gore ReconAfrica e filwe exploration licence e nngwe on the other side kwa Namibia, e ba MR SPEAKER: Honourable Rakgare, that is not a setseng ba simolotse drilling. Ke gone mo ke reng, ke point of order. Ga le dumalane ka tse le sa dumalaneng dingwe tsa ditswammung tse di tshwanetseng go bewa ka tsone, it does not affect the order of this House. di papametse, Batswana ba itse gore go diragala eng. MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN Sengwe le sengwe se tle se nne mo mpaananeng ka gore TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY (MR ke dingwe tse Batswana ka bontsi ba nang le kgatlhego MOAGI): Thank you Mr Speaker. I am rising on a mo go tsone gore fa e le gore oil e ka felela e fitlhetswe, point of elucidation please. e ka thusa itsholelo ya Botswana.

MR MATHOOTHE: No, nako ya me e tšhaile. Mma ke boele kwa dikgannyeng tse nneng di ntse…

MR MOAGI: Ke tlaa tsaya 30 seconds fela or less, ga MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mathoothe, Honourable o ka ke wa ntima o a itse…(Inaudible)… Dr Tshabang is asking for clarification.

MR MATHOOTHE: Mma ke mo neele 30 seconds. MR MATHOOTHE: Yes.

MR MOAGI: Ee rra. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke a DR TSHABANG: On a point of clarification. This leboga Honourable Mathoothe. Tota a ko nte re nne drilling ya oil from the Namibian side, fa o setse o le re baya dilo sentle gore re se ka ra timetsa Batswana. underground, are you allowed to drill go ya go tsena, Rotlhe re bogogi, re tshwanetse go bolelela Batswana o bo o gopa mo Botswana, and then oil exit from the se e leng nnete. Reconnaissance Energy Botswana Namibian side? Kana you need to come to Botswana (ReconBotswana) was issued exploration licence then drill o le this side? How is the geology ya drilling to explore petroleum minerals kwa North West of in that matter? Just a clarification. Thank you. Botswana, from the first of June 2020 for four years. E MR MATHOOTHE: Thank you sir. bile area ya teng does not cover the buffer zones tse di tsenyang Okavango Delta le Tsodilo Hills because those HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke kopa elucidation Mr are protected sites. Jaanong ba ya go dira seo fela ba bo Speaker.

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MR MATHOOTHE: Thank you sir. Kgang eo Minister MR SPEAKER: There is no time. o letse a tlhalositse gore ga ba letlelele fracking. Rona pelaelo ya rona … MR MATHOOTHE: There is no time. Ke yone kgang e re e buang, e re tlhabang the Minister podi matseba MR SPEAKER: Honourable, Honourable Dikoloti is gore dilo tse di ntse jalo, ba di tlhalositse jalo. Go mo asking for elucidation. go ene, rona re mo neetse kgang. Fa re riana, re tlhapa diatla. MR MATHOOTHE: My time is up ga ke mo neele. Mma ke siane ka bofefo ke bue ka ditlhabololo tsa MR SPEAKER: Please proceed. Serowe; mongwe wa Mapalamente e rile a bua, a re MR MATHOOTHE: Yes, o letse a arabile maabane o fitlhela headquarters e le gone kwa ditlhabololo gore mo Botswana ga ba letlelele fracking. Se ke lekang di lebileng teng. Fa ke lebelela gore Serowe ke go se bua ke gore, re nne re butse matlho a gore re headquarters ya Central, ditlhabololo tse batho ba di tlhokometse. Le ene Minister re mo fa dikgakololo tsa buang, rona ga re di bone. Ga re di bone ka mabaka a gore a nne a tlhokometse ka gore the other side kwa gore fa o tsaya old Sekgoma Memorial Hospital, e sale Namibia, ba setse ba simolotse to drill. A nne a lebile, a e agilwe ke Magosi pele ga puso ya batho ka batho, ya katile se Batswana ba mo neetseng boikarabelo mo go diphathi e nna teng. Ke batho ba ba neng ba itirela. Fa o tsena kwa Swaneng Hill School; se ne se agiwa ke sone. Ke tsaya gore o tlaa se dira sentle ka manontlhotlho bana, mo maphakeleng ba rutiwa, maitseboa ba ya go gore re se ka ra fitlhela ba ba ka kwa bale, ba gogaoil mo aga classroom. Fa o tsaya Farmers Brigade, o kgona go lefatsheng la Botswana underground. Ke yone fracking bona gore ditlhabololo di sale di dirilwe ke Makgoa. e re sa e letleleleng mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Fa o tsaya matamo a a kwa Serowe, a sale a dirilwe ka HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation Honourable mephato ya boTshekedi. Ke one a a thusang Batswana, Mathoothe. a re buang gompieno re re, ba agriculture ba ye go a katolola. Ke one a ke buang ka one gore go tshwanetse MR MATHOOTHE: Ke mang? go nne ka tsela e e ntseng jalo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Jwaneng-Mabutsane. Serowe ga a na ditsela, o dikhuti gongwe le gongwe. Ga go na le fa le ditlhabololo tse di leng teng. Le tsone tse re MR SPEAKER: Reatile. neng re di solofetse tsa the airport e e leng gore jaanong MR MATHOOTHE: Ee rra. Ke a go neela sir. go buiwa ka the airstrip e e kwa Palapye, rona re ne re bua ka ya kwa Serowe, go padile. Fa re bua ka tsela ya MR REATILE: Elucidation. Thank you Honourable Serowe-Palapye, go padile. Thank you sir. Speaker. A mme o lemogile Honourable Mathoothe MR SPEAKER: Honourable Balopi! gore mo website, ba Reconnaissance Energy Africa (ReconAfrica) are celebrating gore ba letleletswe …Silence… go dira fracking kwa Okavango? Ba ya to drill 40 MR SPEAKER: Honourable Balopi! kilometres (km) go tsena mo Botswana ba latela oil. Mo Botswana go supile gore it is 42 per cent, kwa Zambia MINISTER OF EMPLOYMENT, LABOUR is between 10 and 12 per cent, the rest ke kwa Namibia. PRODUCTIVITY AND SKILLS DEVELOPMENT A seo ga o ka ke wa se rurifatsa? Ke bone ba ba ipokang (MR BALOPI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke tsaya ba rialo mo website ya bone. Thank you sir. gore ke a utlwala Mr Speaker.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mathoothe! MR SPEAKER: Indeed, Minister.

MR MATHOOTHE: …(Inaudible)… MR BALOPI: Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, mma ke simolole ka go go dumedisa, ke bo ke leboge MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mathoothe! batlotlegi. Mr Speaker, ke tsibogele pego e re e beilweng pele ke Tona wa tsa Kabo ya Madi, Rraetsho Dr MR MATHOOTHE: Sorry. Thank you Mr Speaker. Matsheka. Ke batla go simolola ka go supa sengwe fa o Ke yone kgang e re e buang e e tlhabang the Minister ntetlelela Mr Speaker, ka gore Rre Matsheka o re beile podi matseba. pele pego mo dinakong tse di thata. Fa o ntetlelela, ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: Elucidation. tlaa simolola ka to quote from the Holy Bible.

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MR SPEAKER: Please do. MR SPEAKER: Rona re a go utlwa.

MR BALOPI: Mr Speaker, ke tlaa e bua ka Sejatlhapi, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke tlaa tla ke go bolelela Proverbs 16: 1 ya re, “we made our plans but God has gore go ne gotweng. the last word.” Fa ke bala mo go Isaiah 55:8 ya re, “my plans are not your plans nor your ways, says the MR SPEAKER: No! No! You cannot do that. Ke Lord.” Mr Speaker, ke bua jaana ke nopola ditemana dumela gore le mmogo mme you cannot do that. tsa Thamaga ka gore, ngwaga o o fetileng ka dinako MR BALOPI: Mr Speaker, fa ke tswelela rraetsho, e ne tsone tse, ngwaga wa kete pedi le masome a mabedi, e le dibeke di ka nna pedi go ya kwa go tse tharo re se na Rre Matsheka o ne a baya pele pego ya Kabo ya Madi go bewa pego le dikeletso tsa go tsaya lefatshe le, re le le dikeletso tsotlhe fa pele ga Ntlo e e tlotlegang e. E isa pele ke Rre Matsheka mo ngwageng e e fetileng, re le dikeletso tse di ka tsayang matshelo a Batswana le bo re tlhagelwa ke bolwetse jwa COVID-19. Mongwe go isa lefatshe la rona pele. Ke bala ditemana tse ka le mongwe o itse manokonoko a jone le fa ba bangwe gore COVID-19 e re supegeditse gore re ka nna le ba simolotse ba sa tlhaloganye. Jaaka Baebele e bua, dikakanyo… dikakanyo le dikeletso ga se tsa rona, ke tsa Modimo. Le fa batho ba ne ba nyatsa kana ba sa lemoge gore bogale HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ga go jo bo tlang ke bofe, kwa bofelong ba lemogile, e bile utlwale le fa e le sepe. ba simolole go itatola. Ba boela mafoko a mangwe a MR BALOPI: …gore re kgone go tsena mo seemong ba neng ba a bua morago. Ka jalo, ke dumela gore Rre sa gore re dire se re se eletsang. Go na le mongwe yo o Matsheka mo temaneng ya boraro go ya kwa temaneng buang Mr Speaker, o kare ke Rre Molao. Ga ke itse o a ya borobabobedi, o tlhalositse ka bophara tsotlhe tse utlwa kana go rileng. Ke ka tswelela Mr Speaker ke re… di amileng itsholelo ya rona ka ntlha ya bolwetse jo. Mo tshetlaneng ya lesome le ya lesome le bongwe, o MR SPEAKER: Somebody is saying they cannot hear supa tharabololo ya gore re ne ra tsibogela jang. Re tlaa anything. gakologelwa re le mo Palamenteng re bewa pele the MR BALOPI: Ga ke itse gore ke… review of the National Development Plan (NDP) 11, jaanong e lebelela ka fa re ka dirang ka teng go tsibogela MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND diemo tse re neng re di bona, ka re setse re itse mathata RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): Ke a a teng. nna Mr Speaker. The network is so bad, I cannot hear a thing. Ra boa gape go boelwa kwa Palamenteng go ya go supiwa gore review e re neng re e dira maloba e, re HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke wena fela, a re tla ka mo gongwe gape mo e leng gore it is review tsweleleng. Ke wena fela o sa utlweng. of a review, mo go supang gore mathata a ne a ntse a tsenelela, a nwela kwa pele. La bofelo re bo re tla le MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molale, mathata a kwa Economic Recovery and Transformation Plan (ERTP), go wena. Mongwe le mongwe o a utlwa. Kwa Local e le dikeletso tse di tsamaelanang le madi. Jaanong re Government and Rural Development ke gone kwa go bona gore madi a rona ga a tsene ka bokete jo re neng nang le mathata. re bo eleditse. Re simolole go bona gore re ya go dira MR BALOPI: Ke tsaya gore le santse le emisitse nako jang go fitlhelela dilo dingwe tse re ka di dirang ka Mr Speaker. matsetseleko, re dirisa se re nang le sone. Re kgaogana tlhogwana ya ntsi jaaka Motswana a e tle a bue. Re tle MR SPEAKER: Go ahead, it is frozen. re fitlhelele tse re di batlang.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re tsweleleng, o tlaa Rotlhe re a lemoga, e bile re a itse gore se se buiwang, re dia. ga e sa tlhole e le dipuo fela, re a di bona di diragala mo MR BALOPI: Mr Speaker, Rre Matsheka malatsi lefatsheng la rona. Re diragaletswe re le bantsi, re bona morago fa a se na go re baya pego… matshelo a tsamaya letsatsi le letsatsi, e bile le maloba fa moeteledipele wa diphathi tsa Kganetso Rraetsho MR MOLALE: I assume o bua le nna Mr Speaker, Saleshando a ema ka dinao, o ne a supa bagaka bangwe mme ga go utlwale le fa e le sepe. ba re neng re sa solofela mo nakong ya gompieno gore

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ba ka tswa ba re latlhegetse. A boa gape a galaletsa, e Speaker, re bue ka lentswe le le lengwefela, re bontshe bile a bo a rotloetsa gore bangwe ba ba tsamaileng ka Batswana gore ba tshwanetse go fetola ka fa ba ntseng ntata ya mathata a, re simolole re akanye gore re ka dira ba dira dilo ka teng. Ba fetole ka fa ba solofelang gore eng go ba galaletsa le go ba leboga ka tse ba neng ba Puso e ka ba direla dilo ka teng. Go supafala gore se se di dira. Seo se supa gore go ne go lemogiwa bokete ba diragetseng se, se ya go felela se re busetsa kwa goreng kgang e re e tshwereng. re ye kwa malapeng a rona, re itlhokomelele bagarona, re laole metsamao ya bone. Le tsone dikwarantini, Se se neng sa dira gore ke swabe nko go feta molomo, ke Goromente ga a ka ke a tswelela go ya go ileng a baya kgang ya gore e re fa a sena go tsiboga jalo, a bo a boela batho mo mafelong a a rileng, a ba kgobokanya, a ba kwa budget ya 2020, a supa tse di sa dirwang. Kana fa alafa. Go tlaa raya gore mongwe le mongwe a simolole o supa tse di sa dirwang, o a bo jaanong e kete ga o go ithuta, a ikiteye ka thupana, a tseye kgatlhego mo tlhaloganye gore go tlhoka go dira dilo tseo, go tsetswe go boneng gore fa a na le molwetse kana motho yo o ke eng. Re a itse Mr Speaker, gore letseno la rona le amegileng a nna le ene, ke motho yo e leng gore o ka mo dirwa ke maphata kante makalana a a farologaneng, a thusa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Seemo se tlaa tla, e bile se e leng gore otlhe re ntse re bolelelwa gore a amegile, e setse se gorogile gore re bolelele batho boammaaruri go bile ga re a kgona go nna le letseno le le lekaneng go ka ya kwa pele gore Goromente ga a ka ke a tlhola a kgona tsibogela dikgang tsone tseo. Jaanong fa re batla gore go dira se a ntseng a se dira. e nne business as usual, mme re ntse re bona gore it is business unusual, re tlaabo re iphatlha ka diphuka e le Kgang e nngwe Mr Speaker, e ke batlang go feta ka yone tsa rona. ka bofetshwana fa ke bua ka kgang yone ya COVID-19, ke ya gore, Goromente wa lefatshe la Botswana yo o Ka jalo, nako e Mr Speaker, jaaka fa ke tsibogela kgang eteletsweng ke party ya ga Domkrag, fa e sale re tsaya e, e bile re e bewa, ke e e tlileng go lekeletsa boleng boipuso, has never failed this nation, and it will never jwa rona, le gore re Palamente kana baeteledipele ba fail this nation. Mr Speaker, re lwantshitse matlhoko a ba ntseng jang mo setšhabeng sa Botswana ka nako e e le mantsi a bo Tuberculosis (TB), mmokwane, smallpox thata e. Gore re ya go dira eng go fa Batswana tsholofelo, le malwetse a makgwafo a seruiwa se Motswana a neng go ba supegetsa gore mathata a re lebaganeng le one, a ikaegile ka sone, re bona se amegile ka tsela e e leng ga se mathatanyana, ke mathata a matona, a a yang go gore, gore di tle di atle gape, ke gore go tsewe dikgato fetola seemo ka tsela e e farologaneng, jaaka re setse tse di neng tsa tsewa. re bona seemo se fetoga, mo e leng gore o na le motho gompieno, kamoso ga a yo. Kamoso o tsaya gore o na Re lwantshitse HIV/AIDS, go tlhoka kitso le tlala; ga nna le tiro, kamoso ga e yo, ka gore ga go na letseno. Re le barutegi; professors, doctors, economists, scientists bolelelwa letsatsi le letsatsi gore metsamao ya batho ke jaaka o bona di le teng kwa Kganetso le mo party ya yone e oketsang; kante kamano le metsamao ya batho, e ga Domkrag. Seo ke go lwantsha bothata jo bo neng bo oketsa go anama ga bolwetse jo. le teng fa re simolola lefatshe le. Ka jalo, ke batla gore Gape re a itse gore metsamao le kanamo ya batho le go re fe Batswana botlhe tsholofelo re le baemedi ba bone kopana ga bone go rotloetsa itsholelo. O ka bona gore mo Palamenteng, le Makhanselara gore we will never jaanong dilo tse di dirisang batho, kante ke go tsamaya fail to rescue this nation, and we have never failed re ga batho le go amana ga bone, go amana ga dithoto, go le party ya ga Domkrag. Ka jalo, se se nnang se buiwa tsamaya bogolo jang tsa itsholelo, jaanong go ama le gore nnyaa re paletswe, go ya go nna jaana, le itse gore bolwetse. Mo go rayang gore, go raya gore mohama o wa re tswa kae le lona Batswana re dira eng, le dira eng, re bolwetse o re bonang o re tseneletse thata mo lefatsheng fa kae mo bogompienong. la Botswana, kante bolwetse jo jwa COVID-19, bo ama Se sengwe se ke batlang go bua ka sone Mr Speaker, itsholelo mo go tseneletseng. ke go tsibogela gore tota mme go ka dirwa eng. Selo se Mongwe le mongwe o a amega. Re tshwanetse go ema setona ke gore re itshekatsheke re le lefatshe la Botswana, ka dinao re le boeteledipele re supe gore, ga se fela gore gore a tota mme tsamaiso ya rona ya ditlhabololo tse re re ikgatlha ka bone, kante re bo gogomosa maikutlo, ntseng re di dira, a nako ga e a tla ya go simolola go kana re dirisa mafoko a lenyatso, kana go kgotlana ka pepetletsa Motswana gore a tsene mo dikgwebong, kana megopolo kana mafoko a a sa siamang fela ka gore go dira dingwe tse di ka ntshang maduo a a ka busetsang re mapolotiki. E ke nako ya gore re tshwaragane Mr ene le go tshetsa ba bangwe. Ke gore Batswana e nna

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bagwebi ba mmantota, e bile ba patikiwa gore yo o sa re, goo motho go thebe phatshwa. Motswana fa a setseng a bone gore o ka nna mogwebi, kante ba ba ungwela mo lefatsheng la Botswana, fa e le gore o tswa nang le keletso, ba rutuntshiwe. Fa ba dira diphoso, ba kwa Charleshill, kana Ncojane, o tlaa batla gore e re bontshiwe diphoso tsa bone, ba pepetlediwe go fitlhelela kwa Ncojane kwa a tswang teng, a ye go aga sengwe, ba tsena mo seemong se e leng gore ba tlaa nna bagwebi kana a nne a godise botshelo ba gagwe, kgantelenyana ba batona, ba tlaa nna batsayakarolo mo kgodisong ya o tlaa batla gore a ye go aga kgwebo gape golo gongwe itsholelo. Motswana fa a rua, o a rua, kante fa e le gore mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Mo go rayang gore o nna o na le kgwebo ... a godisa letseno le ditiro tsone tse re di tlhokang ka bokete. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai, your hand is up, on what point? Ke ne ke tsaya gore Rre Matsheka, fa re ntse re sekaseka dilo tse, re simolole go ipotsa. Ke a itse gore re setse re MR BALOPI: Gatwe mang Mr Speaker? tsweletse mo go reng bo Mme Serame ba dire melao e MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai, your hand is e yang go tsamaelana le gore e rotloetse gore Motswana up. I want to know on what point? a tsene mo dikgwebong, e bile a tlhwaafalelwe go bona gore o a rudisiwa mo go tsone. Ke dilo dingwe MR BALOPI: Ke tlaa mo utwa Mr Speaker. tse re tshwanetseng re di bue le Batswana, mme re ntse re itse gore go tshwanetse go nna le ba ba dirang mo MR MOTSAMAI: Ke ne ke kopa clarification ka gotweng; jaaka sejatlhapi se a tle se bue, ‘mind-set boikokobetso mongwame. shift’, or shifting ka fa ba ntseng ba akanya ka teng MR BALOPI: Ee rra, o ka e kopa ka bofefo re tle re kana ba ikakanya ka teng e le Batswana. Re tswe mo fete. dikakanyetsong tsa gore o kgona gore o re o modidi yo o mabela, kante o tswe mo go fufegeleng yo mongwe, MR MOTSAMAI: Through you Mr Speaker, a sena o tsaya fela ka gore o a mo itse gore o ne a ja bogobe le go ntetelela, ke re, re a utlwa gore Motlotlegi Balopi o wena, a tshameka le wena, o ka se ke a ungwelwe, mme bua jang mabapi le tse ba di kgonneng jaaka a ipolela. o ka humisa o sele yo e seng Motswana. Dilo tse tsotlhe, Jaanong ke ne ke re, gongwe ba nne ba tlhatswa kgang re tshwanetse go itse gore re le Batswana, re ikiteye ka e gore nnyaa, batho ba Modimo, ke lefatshe lefe fela thupana, re simolole go lemogana. mo lebopong le le kileng la neelwa boikarabelo, la se ka la tsenya batho dikole, la se ka la aga dipatela, la se ka Re le Batswana re tshwanetse go dira dilo tse di ka la aga ditsela, fa e le gore mo Botswana re tlaa nnelwa re sologelang molemo segolobogolo, tsa re aga, di re ka kgang ya gore re dirile se, re lwantshitse go tlhoka tshwaraganya re le tšhaba ka gore the only time e re tlaa kitso? Ke lefatshe lefe fela le e ka reng le bona botlhoka kgonang go godisa itsholelo e rotlhe, re ungwelwe re le kitso bo le teng, mme le neetswe madi, la bo lebelela Batswana, ke fa re tlogela bo Pull Him Down (PHD), fela? Ke a leboga. or her syndrome, lefufa, re tlogela gore re itsege ka go ilana. Re tshwanetse go simolola go itsane ka gore MR BALOPI: Mr Speaker, tlaa ke tswelele. Rre re a rotloetsana, jaaka re bona batho ba bangwe ba Motsamai, o tlaa tshwanelwa ke go tsamaya, e bile o dire ditšhaba tse dingwe ba dira dikgwebo kwano, ba nna ba dipatlisiso tse di tseneletseng, o bone gore mafatshe a tshwarana, ba godisana, ba rotloetsana gore dikgwebo Africa a le mantsi, le a mangwe fela gongwe le gongwe, tsa bone di ye kwa godimo. Ke tse re tshwanetseng go ba dirile go le kana kang mo nakong e re dirileng mo simolola go bua ka tsone ka tlhoafalo e e tseneletseng lefatsheng le la Botswana. Ke gone o tlaa kgonang go gore re tle re kgone go ungwelwa. nna le dikarabo, mme re tlaa buisana ke tle ke kgone to Ke itumetse thata gape Rre Matsheka fa o bua ka dikgang sponsor you, o ye go bona mafatshe mangwe, e tle e re tsa PPP, mo Goromente a tshwanetseng go simolola go fa o boa, o bo o ikaraba tsala ya me. rotloetsa dikgwebo tse di ikemetseng ka nosi go tsena Mr Speaker, ke ne ke bua gore Batswana ba tshwanetse mo ditirong tse di ka godisang itsholelo ya rona; a ke go nna batsayakarolo ba ba lolameng mo itsholelong ya ditsela, dikole, a ke eng, private sector e simolole go lefatshe la Botswana. Re se ka ra tlhabiwa ke ditlhong tsena. Segolobogolo re simolole go bona gore dikole tse gore re ba tshware ka letsogo, re ba pepetletse, fa ba di agilweng tse, ke bomang ba ba ka tlang ba ipaya pele, kgopiwa ba wa, re ba emeletse, re ba tlhotlhore. Setswana ditsela tse di dirilweng tse, ke bomang ba ka tlang ba di

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tsaya ba di dira tsa seemo se se kwa godimo, ba tsenya lebelela gore fa age ya bone ke fa a le 18 years, 20 years tollgates gore ba tle ba kgone to service these roads. Fa o monnyennyane, re itse gore ke nako e ba a bong ba re ka dira jalo, we will be a high quality country with akanya thata gore ba dire. Rre Rakgare ke a itse gore o very high quality infrastructure, re bo re kgatlhegelwa tshwere thata go leka go rotloetsa banana gore ba tsene ke mafatshe a le mantsi, le batho ba bo ba simolola ba mo mananeong a a farologaneng. dira ditiro tse di farologaneng, ba itse gore infrastructure ya rona ke ya maemo a a kwa godimo. Ga re na go Le bone bo Citizen Entrepreneurial Development iphitlhela e le gore re mo mosing ka ntata ya gore jaaka Agency (CEDA) jalojalo, go ntse go na le mananeo dipula o bona maloba di ne di na jaana, di re beile mo a a lebaneng le banana segolobogolo. Re tshwanetse seemong se ditsela tsotlhe bontsi jwa tsone, segolo jang gore ka ke bone maoto a nong a rona re le lefatshe la mo Gaborone le Gaborone North, ga go sa tlhole go na le Botswana, re ba rotloetse mo go tseneletseng nako le ditsela. Jaaka go ntse go buiwa, ke ntata ya gore re ntse nako go bona gore ba ka dira eng e bile ba ka se dira re dira ditsela tse gongwe e seng tsa lebaka le leleele. Ke jang. Re ba amanye le ba dikgwebo ba ba setseng ba nako ya go simolola go thulanya megopolo le ba private le teng, ba dire le bone gore kwa bofelelong, ba bo sector gore re nne le ditlhabololo tsa sennelaruri gore ba ithutile mo go bone ka gore gatwe dilo makwati di kamoso re ipele ka tsone. Le bana ba rona e re fa ba di kwatabolotswa mo go ba bangwe gore kamoso re bo re fitlhela, ba re Palamente ya Bolesome le Bobedi e ne ya na le a very young and vibrant business community ya tla ya dira diphetogo tse di tseneletseng, tse gompieno bana ba rona re le Batswana. jaana re bonang gore go ya pele, re tlaabo re baakanya Kgang e nngwe rraetsho e ke batlang gore ke itebaganye fale le fale mme foundation ya maemo a a kwa godimo le yone ke ya go lebagana le tsa kgaolo ka kwano Rre e dirilwe. Jaanong ke tsaya gore dilo tse rraetsho fa o ka Matsheka, ke buile ka the quality of infrastructure. Ke di sala morago wa di dira, o di rotloetsa o le Tona ya tsa tsaya gore nako gongwe e gorogile rraetsho go sekaseka Morero wa go aba madi le go Rotloetsa Ditlhabololo, tsamaiso ya go dira ditlhabololo. Fa e le gore ga re na o tlaabo o rotloetsa isago e e molemo ya lefatshe la madi a mantsi a go dira ditlhabololo mo ngwageng o, Botswana. re se ka ra a phatlalatsa thata go leka go kgotsofatsa Kgang e nngwe e re tshwanetseng gore re e bue rraetsho, mongwe le mongwe mo constituencies di le 57. Go ke go lebelela makalana otlhe a a abelang Batswana buisanngwe gore re ya go dira eng se se ka nnang bogadi madi go ba thusa gore ba nne le dikgwebo. Makalana bo gaufi go sologela lefatshe le mosola ka bofefo, go na a a tshwanetse gore a rotloediwe thata gore ba se ka ba le dinako tse di fetileng. Re tshwanetse gore re dire jalo. neelwa madi ka gore ke tshwenngwa thata ke bo ‘in the Mr Speaker...(Interruptions)... matter between,’ ba re ba bonang mo dibankeng tsa Puso ba adimisana madi le ba ba ikemetseng ka nosi. Gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Kablay! Kablay! ba dirile go le kana ka eng, ba dirile eng, go supegetsa motho gore fa o dira jaana go raya gore o tlaabo o dira MR BALOPI: Network ya Palamente ke mathata, e a sengwe se se sa siamang, kgwebo ya gago e ka se ke e bo e gorosa disele jaanong. Re betsa bana on television ungwelwe. Ba dirile eng go supa gore ba a ba pepetletsa jaanong. gore kwa bofelelong, ba felele ba bona gore ba kgonne mo go se ba tlaa se dirang ka gore o tlaa fitlhela batho …Silence… ba Modimo, motho a simolotse a na le kakanyo e MR BALOPI: Ehee! ke tsaya gore go tlaa utlwala ntle, ka ntata ya gore gongwe go ne ga se ka ga nna jaanong. le mentoring, e bo e felela e le gore o latlhegetswe ke sengwe le sengwe, o a gapelwa. Ke tsaya gore fa o ntse Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse go itse gore infrastructure o tla ka ditshetlana tsa molao tse di tlaa thusang batho ya rona fa re ka tswelela ka this model wa go dira gore se ba neeleng madi fela, charge them interest mme ditlhabololo tsa gore mongwe le mongwe fa a re ke e tsamaelana le gore o ya go ba pepetletsa jang, e bile o batla sepatela, re bo re batla go se dira ka bofefo, yo tlhokomela jang mo nakong e e tseneletseng go kgona mongwe a re ke batla tsela re e dira, yo mongwe a re re dikgwebo tsa bone. batla go dira eng, re ya go felela e le gore nako le nako Se sengwe rraetsho se ke batlang go se bua, ke gore morago ga dingwaga tse dikhutshwane, re boa gape re Batswana ba bannyennyane; banana, re tshwanetse ya go baakanya kante re senyolola se re neng re se dirile gore re ba fe chance e e tseneletseng. Re se ka ra ba ka gore re tshwanetse go itse gore go phatlalatsa letseno

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mo go kalokalo, re felela re sena quality products. le kgang ya go simolola go sekaseka gore how we can Gongwe mongwe o ka botsa gore sekai e ka nna eng. accommodate them, kante ba nna karolo ya ditlhabololo Ke ka a fa sekai; go tshwana le go dira tsela ya A1. Fa e tsa rona ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Wards tsotlhe fela bo le gore ra re gompieno re batla go gokaganya Botswana Ledumang, go ya go tsena kwa Marapoathutlwa, Block gore batho ba ba tswang kwa south ba ya north, re lebile 10, Tsogang, Tsholofelo, Marang East, ga di na ditsela Kazungula, Mohembo, sengwe le sengwe jalojalo, re mongwame, and the storm water drainage ke mathata. bo re dira gore A1 e nne le lanes tse di bulegileng, a Ke dumela gore re tshwanetse go nna le a master plan very high quality, madi otlhe a ditsela a tsene gone foo. ya reticulation of storm water mo Gaborone le ditsela, Ngwaga o o tlang re bo re dira ditsela tse dingwe ka gore e e tseneletseng ka gore this is the city of Botswana. Fa fa re ka se ke re dire jalo Mr Speaker, re ya go nna re boa re sa dire jalo rraetsho, re tlaa nna re felela e le gore le re petšha, re dira potholes, re dira dilo tse re di dirang mo bagwebi ba popota, ba ba ka tlang kwano go beeletsa go bogompienong. Sekai; maloba go ne go diriwa tsela ya utlwala, ba felela ba sa beeletse. Ramotswa dual carriage from Gaborone. Ba le itseng, Ke batla gape go tsena mo dikgannyeng tsa tshotlo tse di le tlaa lemoga gore tsela nngwe e setse e tswetswe teng neng di buiwa tsa bo sugar tax, go buiwa gore batho ba mo tseleng e, ga e ise e bo e fetse ngwaga mme e dirwa a sotlwa, ba a reng. Rotlhe re dumalane gore re batla go sesha. Go raya gore kwa tshimologong go baakanyetsa nna le tšhaba e e nonofileng. Re ne re dumalane jalo fa go dira tsela e, go ne go sa lebelelwa gore go diriwe ya go diriwa Vision 2016, re dumalane jalo re nna le Vision quality e e kwa godimodimo. Dilo tse tsotlhe tse fa re ka 2036. Ke kopa mo batlotleging gore ba simolole go tswelela re di dira ka tsela e e ntseng jaana Mr Speaker, rotloetsa Batswana go tshela botshelo jo bo lolameng, re tlaabo re boela kwa morago re sa ye kwa pele. a healthy life, e e tlaa fokotsang gore malwetse a a a ba tsenang a mangwe a e leng gore fa go tsena malwetse Ke batla go tabogela gore mo Kgaolong ya Gaborone a tshwana le bo COVID-19…re bone go le gontsi gore North, e ke dumelang gore e na le moemedi yo o batho ba ba ntseng jalo ba ne ba felela mogare o ba tsaya bidiwang Mpho Balopi… ka bofefo ka ntata ya gore ba ne ba ntse ba na le makoa mangwe a ba bongaka ba e tleng ba re a lifestyle, kana a HONOURABLE MEMBER: Hello! tsamaelanang le ka fa o tshelang ka teng. Re tshwanetse MR BALOPI: …e na le mathata a a tsitsibanyang gore re simolole go bua re tlhoafetse, re se ka ra bua re mmele, a ke tsayang fa re itse gore maloba khansele e nyatsa gore batho ba timiwa tee, batho ba timiwa eng, jaaka tsala ya me Rre Nkawana a ne a bua. Re simolole ne e santse e e fa batho ditsha, ba ba tsentseng dikopo go bua re tlhoafetse, batho ba tlhaloganye gore re tsa bone mo Gaborone ka 1990. Re bo re boa re nna le boeteledipele jo bo ba eleletsang botsogo jo bo ntle. Re bangwe Mr Speaker, ba ba itheketseng ditsha tsa bone. boeteledipele jo bo eleletsang batho ba, bokamoso jo bo Re a itse e bile re a tlhaloganya gore ka nako ya ba di ntle, gore re tle re kgone go gola, re thuthuge re le tšhaba reka, ba ne ba reka mo gotweng freehold, ba tshwana le e e itekanetseng, e e nonofileng. ba Gaborone North Farms. Potso ke gore Mr Speaker, fa re bua jaana, go na le malwapa a ka tshwara 2,700 plus Ka jalo rraetsho, ke tsaya gore dilo tse dingwe tse di or minus kwa Gaborone North, jaanong fa o tsaya on tshwana fela jaaka tse dingwe tse di fetileng tse di neng average, multiplying about three or four, o bona batho di dirwa gore di fokotse kana di lemotshe batho gore go ba ba nnang koo ba itikile gore ba thuse mokgweleo wa dira dilo dingwe ga go a ba siamela. Ka jalo, fa gongwe Puso wa go tlhoka go nna le lefatshe le le ka abelwang fa o le Puso o na le boikarabelo, ke gore o ba bontshe gore go na le manokonoko a gore fa o tsena mo dilong batho ba ba batlang go nna mo Gaborone. E le batho ba ba tse dingwe... mme gape a bue nnete gore ga go ise go dirang mo Gaborone, e le batsayakarolo ba ba lolameng buiwe ka bo sukiri le phaletshe. Re a itse gore when mo itsholelong ya lefatshe la Botswana. Re simolole go some things are taxed, go na le dithoto tse dingwe tse ba akanyetsa, re ntse re itse gore our land tenure system e Rre Matsheka a e tleng a re, nnyaa tse tsone ga di tsene bua e reng. Bo Rre Mzwinila ba sekaseke gore fa go ntse tax, ka gore ke tse di dirisiwang malatsi otlhe. Go na jaana, re kopana fa kae le batho ba go thusana le bone le dinotsididi, le tse dingwe tse di tsentsweng sukiri e ka gore ba tshwanetse go nna le ditlamelo tsa bonno, e seng ya tlholego, ke sukiri e e natetshang, mme e na ditsela, metsi a a lolameng jalojalo. Re tshwanetse go le mathata a gore e ka tloga ya lwatsa batho go ya kwa itse gore le bone ba tshwanetse go nna batsayakarolo pele. Ka jalo, dilo tse fa re nna re di bua rraetsho, re bue ba ba lolameng mo itsholelong ya lefatshe la Botswana, re tlhoafetse, ka gore Batswana ke tšhaba e re batlang ntswa go na le ditshetlana tse di teng ka fa molaong, e gore e gole e itekanetse, e nonofile.

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Fa ke taboga ka bofefo rraetsho, bodiredi jwa lefatshe e bile baeteledipele botlhe ba community; Magosi, bo kokonetswe thata ka mabaka a gore le bahiri ba ne ba Mapalamente, Makhanselara, ba tshwaraganela thuto ya kokonelwa ke itsholelo. Ka jalo re le lephata la Labour, bana ba bone, maduo a nna a kwa godimo. Ke bua jaana re ikiteile ka thupana thata gore re ya go tsamaya re bona Mr Speaker ka gore mo Gaborone North, six primary gore go katweng ka puisanyo, morero le ba ba emetseng schools, the average pass mark ya Gaborone North is bodiredi, le jone bodiredi le bagwebi. Kwa bofelong re 83.37 per cent, number one e le 96.3 per cent, yo o neng bone tharabololo ya sennelaruri, ka gore ga o ka ke wa a le kwa tlase e le 75.2. Se se neng sa rotloediwa from 2014/2015 ke partnerships tsa bo Adopt-a-School, go patika motho go ka nna le madi a a sa kgoneng go a dira. bereka Makhanselara, ba bereka le bagwebi ba ba neng Gape re tshwanetse gore fa go na le tsamaiso... ba ithaopile ka nako eo gore ba tshwaraganele go thusa MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND batho. Ke batla go galaletsa batho botlhe le barutabana fela jaaka le ene Minister Molao a ne a ba galaletsa, gore INDUSTRY (MS SERAME): Point of clarification. ba bo ba dirile go tlala ka diatla mo Gaborone North, Thank you Mr Speaker. Honourable Balopi, mo ntlheng ba bone gore bana ba nna le bokamoso. Segolobogolo ele ya provision of infrastructure, ke ne ke re kgang e ke batla go galaletsa sekole sa Motswedi Community o neng o e bua ya gore re le Goromente re sekaseke Junior Secondary School se e leng gore ke number 10 mo how we provide infrastructure even kwa mafelong a a lefatsheng la Botswana e le lantlha mo ditsong, ka ntata tshwanang le bo Gaborone North, kana go na le dikai ya gore ba ne ba ipeetse seelo, ra se tshwaraganela mo tse di setseng di le teng jaaka gore they can provide kgaolo gore re dire jalo. Mogokgo wa sone mmaetsho Mme Mpho Lesego, barutabana botlhe le batsadi, ke a motlakase. Mme e bile ke re, a o ne o raya tse di le akgola gore le bo le dirile jalo, ka gore... tshwanang jaaka Botswana Power Corporation (BPC) le gore the residents there ba duela at cost? Jaanong o HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. raya gore le tse dingwe tse di tswanang le bo metsi le MR BALOPI: Ke yone peo ya rona e e tlaa reng tseo, di kgone to be provided at cost because some of kamoso e bo…(Inaudible)…e re solegele molemo. Ke those people, ba re re le Goromente re thuse go tsenya mang wa clarificationnako e tšhaile? ditlamelo mme ba tlaa duela. Gakere o raya gore ga se selo se se ka palang, e bile se setse se ntse se diragala, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke nna ngwana wa ga ke gore ba bangwe ba ithute mo go bone? Ke a leboga. nkgonne.

MR BALOPI: O e iteile mo lenakeng mmaetsho MR MOATLHODI: Point of clarification. Ke a leboga Honourable Serame. Ke bua fela jalo gore, ka fa go Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. setseng go diragala…(Inaudible)…at cost le bone ba Ke leboga Motlotlegi Rraetsho Tona, e bile ke a mo ipopa, Goromente le ene a tsene a tle go bona gore o galaletsa mo maduong a mantlentle jaana a nkgopotsang ka thusanya jang le bone, ba duele ba iketlile. Ba kgone dikole tsa Tonota. Ke re rra, ke kope mongwe le mongwe gore ba nne le bonno le ditsela tse di lolameng. Ke tlaa a ntheeditse, re kopa three schools to be adopted kwa Tonota. Thank you sir. taboga Mr Speaker ka gore nako e setse e mpeile mo mosing. Ke ne ke bua ka gore re tlaa leka ka bojotlhe …Silence… gore re tswelele ka go buisanya le ba ba emetseng bodiredi le bone ba dikgwebo le Puso, re bone gore re MR SPEAKER: I will give the floor to Honourable ka dira jang go rarabolola mathata a aparetseng batho Molale, who will be followed by Honourable Mmolotsi. ba le bantsi a go tlhoka go duelwa, gore ba bangwe ba MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND sale tsamaiso e e siameng ya dikgang tsa pereko, le RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MR MOLALE): Thank dikgang tse di ntseng jalo. Ke dikgang tse morero o ka you Mr Speaker. di rarabololang, ga se fela gore re tle go shakgala, re omane, ke gone o ka di rarabololang, mme re ikaeletse HONOURABLE MEMBER: Letsogo la me le a supa ka koo fa ke tsholeditse Mr Speaker, kana ke maranyane? fela ka bojotlhe gore re kgone go dira jalo. MR MOLALE: Ramogapi, didimala ke a bua monna... Kwa bofelong Mr Speaker, ke batla gore ke bue ka education. Rraetsho Rre Molao maabane o letse a re MR RAMOGAPI: Ke botsa fela, gakere technicality… baya pele pego ya gore tsa thuto di tsamaile jang. Ke (Inaudible)… ke raya gore a go na le mathata Mr batla go bua gore tshwaragano fa gare ga botsadi le Speaker? I am not trying to be funny Honourable barutabana le bana ba sekole fa e nna e e lolameng, Speaker.

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MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, le a supa. Emergency, ba ba neng ba latola gore bolwetse bo teng, ba re ke ditsiabadimo. Ga ke itse gore mafoko ao o a MR RAMOGAPI: Okay, thank you sir. tsaya kae ka gore ga a na boammaaruri. Ke kopa gore a MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molale, can you switch withdraw mafoko a a ntseng jalo ka gore o a itse le ene on your video. gore ga a na boammaaruri Mr Speaker.

MR MOLALE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Pele fa ke MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molale, tswelela. simolola Mr Speaker, connection ya rona ka kwano ga e Honourable Molale, ga ke bone gore is that a procedure. a nitama, so go a ne go tla go kgaoga. Ke kopa gore fa MR MOLALE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo go diragala jalo, o nne o nkgakolole gore ke boelele fa tsa Palamente. Ga ke itse gore Honourable Gobotswang go nang le fa go kgaogileng ke sa utlwala. o tshwenngwa ke eng ka gore fa e le gore ga a bua Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, sepe, o bajwa ke eng? Mma e re gone fela foo ke le nna ke ema fa ke eme nokeng Tshutiso ya ga Tona ise ke tswelele, ke supe gore Honourable Tshere ke Thapelo Matsheka ya go re baya pele Molao-kakanyetso mongwe wa Mapalamente a a ka kwa kganetsong a e o wa go kgaoganya madi for 2021/22. Ke simolola fela rileng bolwetse jo bo simologa, a ema ka dinao and ka gore ke ema Tshutiso e nokeng, ka e supa gore go he was very consistent in saying gore bolwetse jo bo akantswe, go ntswe fa fatshe go rerilwe, e bile e mo tshwanetse go lwantshiwa ka dinako tsotlhe ka bokete motlhaleng wa ERTP, the one we approved maloba re jo bo tshwanetseng. Ke mo leboge ka gore he was very le Palamente. Se ke se buisiwa ke gore, fa go dirwa consistent in his messaging. He was very forthright gore ditogamaano, di tshwanetse go salwa morago. Di salwa bolwetse jo ga se jo go tshamekelwang mo go jone. morago ka tsela e go tlaa thusang gore go lemogiwe gore Fa ke tswelela Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, kana ga se sengwe le sengwe se se ka dirwang ka nako bontsi jwa ditlamorago tsa bolwetse jo di dirilwe ke e le nngwe, mme fa o dira ditogamaano jaana, o a bo o gore re ne re sa ipabalele, re sa itibele, ntswa Motlotlegi direla gore o nne o ngathe o tswelele fa pele, o ngathe o Tautona a ne a buile ka lebaka le le leele, nako le nako, tswelele fa pele, mo gotweng di fitlhisa go beng. kgapetsakgapetsa gore go tlhapiwe diatla, go dirwe Ke boa ke dumalana le Rre Matsheka fa a re, e ne ya social distancing le gore go rwalwe masks. Go sa tsaya re re sena go dira se re neng re se dira, re ithaya re re ditaelo le dikgakololo tse go re fetlhisitse fa re leng teng fa. Ntleng le dikgakololo tseo, bangwe o kare ba kaya jaanong re simolola go tlhatlosa mosepele, ga bo go gore Puso ga e a dira sepe. Golo moo go tshwanetse ga nna kgang ya gore bolwetse bo a re tlhasela. Ke batla re ruta sengwe re le Batswana gore fa dikgakololo di tla, go remelela fa bolwetseng metsotsonyana Motsamaisa bogolo jang ka boeteledipele jo bo tshwanang le jwa ga Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Re leke go nankola dintlha Motlotlegi Tautona, di tshwanetse tsa tsewa tsia. dingwe tse di supang gore re dule kae, ra ya kae, re fa kae mo twantshong ya bolwetse jo. Re a gakologelwa Go botlhoko Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente gore kwa Boipuso Hall e ne ya re fa Puso e baya Ntlo e ka gore bangwe ba e neng e le bone bo Thomas, bo ile pele dikakanyetso tsa gore bolwetse bo ka lwantshiwa jwa ba tsena. Ga re re re a itumela gore bo ne jwa ba jang, go ne ga nna le bo Thomas, ba ba neng e bile tsena. Ra re bo ile jwa ba tsena jwa ba kaetsa gore ka bangwe ba bua gore bolwetse jo ke ditsiabadimo fela, boammaaruri bolwetse jo bo teng. Ke tsaya gore golo ga go na bolwetse jo bo ntseng jalo. Motlotlegi Tautona moo ke go ithuta sengwe se e tlaa reng kamoso fa gotwe o ne a kopa, a rapela, a kgalema, a dira tse tsotlhe go pasop... leka go supa gore… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molale, go na le HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. Honourable Nkawana.

“EXCHANGE OF SPEAKERSHIP” MR NKAWANA: I am standing on a point of order.

MR SPEAKER (MR PULE): Good afternoon HONOURABLE MEMBER: Le nna ke a kopa Mr Honourable Members. Procedure Honourable Molale. Speaker.

DR GOBOTSWANG: On a point of procedure Mr MR SPEAKER: P.P.P, le nne le kopa virtually, e seng Speaker. Tanki Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke utlwa Rre Molale go tsenelela. Honourable Nkawana, what point are you a re go ne go na le bo Thomas fa go buiwa ka State of standing on?

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MR NKAWANA: Point of order or procedure. I am not HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga o a mpona Rra Neo? quite sure gore e wela under which between the two. MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, ke tlaa tla kwa go wena P.P.P. MR SPEAKER: Mma re utlwe gore wa reng. Ke tsamaya ke le setse morago.

MR NKAWANA: Thank you Mr Speaker. A go MR MOLALE: Ke tsaya gore nako ya me e emisitswe parliamentary gore Motlotlegi Molale o ka bitsa Mr Speaker. Mapalamente a mangwe a re ke bo Thomas? A ko o re thuse gone foo Mr Speaker gore a go parliamentary? MR SPEAKER: Ee Honourable Member. Honourable Yandani Boko, what point are you standing on? MR SPEAKER: I have ruled against that. Kana bo Thomas go tewa batho ba ba dumelang ba bona. I do MR BOKO: Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, ke not think that is a derogatory statement. Ke se re se ema ka point of order. Ke eletsa Mr Speaker gore o leke tlwaetseng gore ke batho ba ba dumelang ka go bona. go ka ela tlhoko mafoko a ke a buang a gore mongwe Fa a ne a rile batho ba ba dumelang ka go bona, ga ke o ne a emelela, ke Nkawana, ka point of procedure itse gore o ne o tlaa akanya eng. Thomas go tewa motho kgatlhanong le dipuo tse di maswe tse di buiwang yo o dumelang ka go bona. Ga ke bone anything faulty ke Honourable Eric Molale tsa gore ‘bangwe,’ kana about that statement. Honourable Molale, go ahead. bangwe a raya Mapalamente a a mo Ntlong e, ba ne ba MR MOLALE: Ga ke a utlwa Rre Nkawana. dismiss bolwetse jo jwa…

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kekgonegile. MR MOLALE: Mr Speaker, ga go na sepe sa order foo. Ke dielwa nako fela. MR KEKGONEGILE: Tanki Mr Speaker. Ke kope clarification mo go Honourable Molale. MR BOKO: Ke sone se ke se buang Mr Speaker gore fa gongwe fa ke bua ke tsenwa ganong ke mogolo. Mr MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molale a re ga a utlwa Speaker, fa mogolo a bua mafoko a a buang fa gore Honourable Nkawana. Honourable Molale, a go na le bangwe ba ne ba dismiss, a raya Mapalamente, o a bo a phoso ka communication ya gago somehow? latlha setšhaba ka gore ga go na ope yo o kileng a nyatsa MR MOLALE: Ke buile kwa tshimologong Mr kana a latofatsa bolwetse jo. Mapalamente botlhe ba ne Speaker… ba dumela gore bolwetse jo bo teng. Ke sone se o neng o bona ba ya go kataganngwa kwa Avani ba sa tsenya MR SPEAKER: Rre Nkawana stood on a point of dingalo dipe ka gore ba ne ba itse gore bolwetse bo teng procedure a re is it parliamentary for a Honourable gareng ga rona. Mr Speaker, go botlhokwa gore a boele Member of the House to say, ‘batho ke bo Thomas?’ Ke mafoko a kwa morago ka gore bana ba rona ba ba tlang bo ke re interpretation ya me ke gore Thomas ke motho kwa morago, ba tlaa bala dilo tse ba bo ba lemoga gore yo o dumelang ka go bona. Ke raya gore at least from go raya gore Mapalamente bangwe ba ne ba se moono the biblical interpretation. Jaanong ga ke bone anything mongwe mo kgannyeng ya COVID-19, mme re ne re le wrong gore motho a bo a re o Thomas. Ke lefoko le moono gore e teng, e maswe, e a tlhasela. Jaanong fa o re le tlwaetseng fela le le dirisiwang conventionally ka mo kgalemela Mr Speaker, gore a a boele morago ka gore fa motho a dumela ka go bona o bidiwa Thomas. gore ke go leswafatsa Mapalamente ba bangwe mme a That is how I understand it. Therefore, there is nothing ntse a itse gore ga go na boammaaruri mo kgannyeng ya unprocedural about it to be honest. Unless gongwe teng. O sale kgang e morago Mr Speaker. bagolo ba tshwana le bo Rre P.P.P ba ka re bolelela gore a ke lefoko le le duleng mo tseleng. Rre Molale, MR SPEAKER: Honourable Member, ke le reetse Honourable Kekgonegile is standing on a point of ka re gore motho a bo a dira statement sa gore clarification. Ga ke itse gore are you yielding for him. Mapalamente mangwe ba ne ba sa support, le wena fela o le Honourable Boko, ga o ka ke wa mpolelela gore MR MOLALE: I am not yielding for him Mr Speaker. you are sure gore all of us supported this. Bolwetse bo Ba ntse ba bua re sa ba tsene ganong. Ga re na nako. ne bo le bošha, mongwe le mongwe a na le doubts tsa MR SPEAKER: Go ahead Honourable Molale. gagwe. Ke tsaya gore Honourable Molale is not wrong Honourable Molale, gape go na le Honourable Yandani to say bangwe ba ne ba sa support. It is how he sieved it, Boko, ga ke itse gore o ema ka point efe. Gongwe re tle so he is not out of order, strictly speaking he is not out re mo utlwe le ene gore o ema ka efe. of order. He is making a statement, se ke tsayang gore

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it is based on his views, jaaka le wena o na le your own HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke go utlwile Mokgatla, views. Your view is re ne re support ba rotlhe, but his mma ke tsamaye. view is some of us did not support. I do not know what MR SPEAKER: So we are not taking any physical is wrong with that. Can you allow him to go on re se ka break ya 30 minutes e re ntseng re e tsaya, re ne re e ra ja nako. tsaya ka gore re ne re le golo go le gongwefela. Re batla go tswela kwa ntle to observe that moment ya health HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... break. MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, Honourable Boko… MR MOLALE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)... Se ke…(Inaudible)… ka mananeo a go namola batho, mme e namola Batswana jalo go tletse dipuo MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molale, can you go ahead. tsa gore madi ga a a dirisiwa sentle, a jelwe, madi a ikgagapeletswe ke bangwe ba ba rileng... MR MOLALE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Se ke neng ke se bua ke gore, go tlhagogeng ga bolwetse jo, Puso e MR SPEAKER: Motlotlegi Molale? ya ga Domkrag e ne ya ema ka dinao. Re tlhola re bala MR MOLALE: Rra? kana go buiwa gore madi a ne a dirisiwa, mme ga go itsewe kwa a teng... MR SPEAKER: Ke ne ke bona Motlotlegi Motaosane a tsholeditse letsogo, mme o le digile gape. Motlotlegi MR SPEAKER: Motlotlegi Molale, go na le Motlotlegi Motaosane! P.P.P. o tsholeditse letsogo. Ke bona le la ga Motlotlegi Leuwe. Tla re utlwe Motlotlegi P.P.P gore a reng. MR MOLALE: …(Inaudible)... MR SPEAKER: Ke ne ke re Motlotlegi Motaosane o MR MOATLHODI: Procedure. Ke a leboga tsholeditse letsogo, jaanong o le digile, ga ke itse gore a Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke go ithaopetse Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa o santse a na le point e a emang ka yone. Palamente, to see to your success on that chair, and ke MR MOTAOSANE: Procedure. Thank you. Ga ke a tiisitse. Ga ke batle Dr Masupu kana Professor Mosepele utlwa maabane go raya gore fa re bua, mme gone go ba tla ba go sotlaka mo pele ga rona gore ga o obamele tlaabo go sa nna sentle, ka gore jaanong fa Honourable dinako tsa COVID-19. Fa e sale maloba o ntse o fapaana Molale a sala a debate nna ke batla go boa fale, kana le mogoloo ka four, o gataka COVID-19 ka dinao. Ke ke refresh ke tsaya kopi ya tee ke riana, go raya gore o a rapela Mr Speaker, a re tlotle dinako tsa COVID-19, tlaabo a bua ke sa mo utlwe. The 30 minutes break tota please. fela it should be mandatory, gore re kgone go itshidila MR SPEAKER: So you are standing on a point of maoto re boele fa re tle go reetsa sentle. Fa ba bua re procedure? Kana re letse re e buile kgang e motlotlegi, seyo, go tlaabo go sa nna sentle. Thank you sir. ga ke itse gore ga o a e utlwa. Re dumalane gore, ka gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Seconded. batlotlegi ba mo diofising tsa bone, assumption ke gore ga ba na le ope… MR SPEAKER: Ka go setse go diragetse, ke eng re sa tswelele re tlaa baakanya kamoso fela, re tle re e MR MOLALE: Mr Speaker, ke tsaya gore watch e buisane. Ba ba ka kgonang go emela fale ba tsaya tee emisitswe. ya bone ba reng, please go ahead and do that kana o kope ba o nang le bone foo ba go tlisetse tee. Motlotlegi MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, re emisitse watch. Ka gore Molale, go ahead. ga ba na le ope, assumption ya rona ke gore we have already observed the protocols tsa COVID-19. Mo go MR MOLALE: Mr Speaker… rayang gore fa go na le motlotlegi mongwe gongwe a MR SPEAKER: Ke bona Honourable Leuwe o batla go tsaya health break, a cup of tea or a tsena mo tsholeditse letsogo le ene ke yoo. bathroom, o ka dira fela koo kwa ofising ya gagwe. Re dumalane gore re se ka ra ja nako, ka gore ga re na nako. MR MOLALE: Ke ne ke re ga nna le namolo, mme go A re diriseng nako e profitably, ka gore malatsi a rona na le dipuo tsa gore madi a tshotswe ga go itsewe kwa a gaufi le go fela. Ke ne ke tsaya gore re dumalane, ga a teng, ga gona yo o ka supang gore madi a dirisitswe ke itse gore a go na le fa re sa utlwanang teng. Re letse jang. Batswana bone ba a itse gore ba ne ba namolwa e re e buile... bile ba tsweletse ba a namolwa…

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MR SPEAKER: Ke ne ke re Motlotlegi Leuwe o rona a le kwa tlase mo region ya rona, a re oketse go tsholeditse letsogo, ga ke itse gore o raya gone gore re se kae fela gore re tle re…(Inaudible)… a bo a bua mo mmone kana jang? Palamenteng o kare o kwa dipepereng…

MR MOLALE: …(Inaudible)…go na le 1.3 billion… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of procedure Mr Speaker. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker… MR SPEAKER: Can you raise your hand virtually. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leuwe, ke ne ke re a go na le sengwe se o batlang go se akgela motlotlegi? MR MOLALE: …(Inaudible)… o tlaa nona…

MR LEUWE: Elucidation. Ke a leboga, tota ke MR SPEAKER: That is Honourable Reatile. ngongoregela go kgoreletsa Rre Molale gantsi. E ke Honourable Reatile, procedure. neng ke re ke bua ka yone you covered it, e ne e le ya gore gotwe ga gona batho bao. Se ke se lemogileng ka MR MOLALE: …(Inaudible)… paragraph 134… borre ba ba ntseng ba re ga gona batho ba ba neng ba MR REATILE: Yes, Mr Speaker, Honourable Molale ganetsa ka bontsi, ba batla to expose maina a batho ba golo fa o tshwaraganye le bothata, fa a re o a debate, bangwe ka gore clips di teng tse di supang gore batho maranyane a ganetsana le ene. Jaaka o bona ke bua, ga a ba ne ba latola bolwetse. Ke kopa gore ba tlogele and re utlwe ka kwa, o bua fela and o ntse o tlhalosa fela re sa let us generalise jaaka Rre Molale a bua gore bangwe mo utlwe. Go na le echo e ntsi, o a kgaoga, go ka tweng ba ne ba re. Let us not victimise ba bangwe, ba buiwa ka Mr Speaker? Ga se gore gongwe le mmolelele gore o maina ka bongwe ka bongwe. Clips di teng le Hansard tlaa tla a tsena a setse a le golo gongwe fa maranyane a teng e a supa, fa ba batla masupi a ka ntshiwa. Ke eletsa sena go tokafala la neela mongwe yo o ka nnang audible, gore re se ka ra batla masupi a a ntseng jalo, re lebe way ra utlwa Mr Speaker ka gore Honourable Molale ga a forward. Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. utlwale gotlhelele, le ene ga a re utlwe fa a leng teng? MR SPEAKER: Ke lebogile thata motlotlegi. MR SPEAKER: You are quite right Honourable Reatile Motlotlegi Molale. because le rona re tshwere bothata. Re ne re romile MR MOLALE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo. some technicians gore ba mo thusa. Go lebega a na le Go ne ga tswa P1.3 billion wa Industry Support Fund, mathata. O setse ka 20 minutes 44 seconds, gongwe re e le jaana go ntseng go namolwa Batswana. Go ne ga mo emise re batle somebody yo o latelang gore a tsene tswa madi a a neng a ka nna P23 million, mo go one so that fa re sena go nna re baakanya fault ya gagwe a bo kwa Ministry of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture a tswelela. Motlotlegi Molale, o a nkutlwa? Development, P16 million a ya kwa creative sector. Kwa lephateng la me ga ntshiwa madi a dijo, madi a go ya …Silence… go baakanya dikole le kwa Lephateng la Thuto. Madi HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga a utlwale Mr a mantsi a dule, it can be accounted for, ga gona ope Speaker, ke ready mma ke tsene. yo o ka reng go ikgagapeletswe madi, madi a jelwe. Nnyaa, moo e a bo e le go iphatlha ka diphuka fela. Dilo MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, e seng wena. tse di teng, ka gore gape selo se se sitang ke gore go ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL buiwa jalo gotwe madi a tshotswe a jelwe, mme le one GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT Molaomotheo ga o letle gore ope o ka ipha madi fa a se a kopa mo Palamenteng e re leng mo go yone e. Golo (MR AUTLWETSE): Mr Speaker, re na le bothata moo go a gakgamatsa e bile go tlhabisa ditlhong gore golo ka kwano, ga gona ope wa rona yo o utlwalang. Ga re bo re utlwa batho ba bua ka jaaka ba e tle ba bue. Se ke itse gore a o a nkutlwa? ke batlang go bua ka sone ke gore, mme one madi… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ga o utlwale. (Inaudible)… go tswa golo gongwe. E rile fa bolwetse jo bo tsena…(Inaudible)… le gone. Re tshwanetse MR SPEAKER: Ke a go utlwa. Honourable Molale, jaanong ra simolola go akanya gore fa diteemane di sa can you retreat, gongwe re tlaa go fa nako ya gago rekwe, madi a tlaa tswa kae. Ke sone se Rre Matsheka kamoso; 20 minutes 44 seconds o sena go bona service a simolotseng go akanya a re, e re ntswa makgetho a e e siameng?

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, le ene six Ke batla go tsaya nako e go leboga batlhophi ba kgaolo minutes yoo ga re a mo utlwa. ya me ba Francistown South ba ba dirileng gore ke kgone go goroga kwano, gore ke nne lentswe la setšhaba MR SPEAKER: Iketle pele Honourable Lesaso. mo dikgannyeng tse di farologanyeng thata le tse di HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke tsholeditse Mr buiwang ke bagaetsho ba phathi e e busang. Speaker, re ja nako. Motlotlegi Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke MR SPEAKER: A ga gona yo o ka buang le ene ka batla go tsaya nako e go gopola ba ba re tlogetseng ba mogala? re neng re ba rata thata. Ke batla go tsaya sebaka se go gopola Rre Sebati Sebati wa Maun yo o neng a tsamaya …Silence… mo bekeng e e fetileng. Ke gopole Rre Philip Butale wa Francistown South le Mmaetsho Uyapo Mokgopo yo e HONOURABLE MEMBER: Molale ke yo o a bonala neng e le nurse kwa Francistown. Ke leboge Mmaetsho Mr Speaker, a ko o bue le ene foo. Patricia Kabelo yo o nnang mo kgaolong ya me yo o MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molale! neng e le mokgweetsi wa ambulance le Mme Tebby Sethomo yo lotlhe le mo itseng, o ne a le direla albums MR MOLALE: Mr Speaker! tse le neng le di bina thata lona ba le ka koo.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mma re tswelele Mr Kwa bofelong ke gopole Major David Bright yo o Speaker. fetotseng seemo le selebego sa ball mo lefatsheng la Botswana. A mewa ya bagaka ba e robale ka kagiso. A MR SPEAKER: Rre Ramogapi, a ko o iketle pele. Ke ba malwapa a bone le bone Modimo o fape dipelo tse di wena o tshelang o re batho ba a ntshwenya, mme ke utlwileng botlhoko. tshwenngwa ke wena gompieno. Honourable Molale. Mr Speaker, o na positive note, ke eletsa go tsaya MR MOLALE: Mr Speaker. nako e go leboga dikole tsa kgaolo ya me; sekole sa Montsamaisa le sa Goldmine tse di dirileng sentle mo MR SPEAKER: Can we give you a break gore re maduong a ditlhatlhobo tsa Junior Certificate (JC). baakanye system ya rona? O setse ka 20 minutes 44 Sekole sa Montsamaisa se tsere position one in the seconds. O ka tswelela when you are ready, gongwe region. Ke belaela gore performance ya bone e ntle later today or kamoso because gotlhelele batlotlegi ga mo go kanakana ke e e goditseng ya Mopalamente wa ba go utlwe, le nna ke tshwere bothata. bone. Ke rata go leboga mogokgo wa bone wa pele Rre MR MOLALE: Ke a dumalana. Ntaise le badiredi botlhe ba sekole se ba ba neng ba tshwaraganetse tiro e. Ke lebogela gape gore Rre Ntaise MR SPEAKER: Thank you very much motlotlegi. yo o neng e le mogokgo, gompieno o tlhatlositswe Motlotlegi Mmolotsi, the floor is yours. maemo go ya go nna mogokgo kwa Francistown Senior Secondary School. LEADER OF THE MINORITY (MR MMOLOTSI): Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke rata go tsaya nako e santlha Ke rata gape go leboga Mme Mma Keagile wa Goldmine ke leke go leboga Modimo ka mašhetla otlhe a ke ka a Junior Secondary School e le yone e tsereng number 8 kgonang. Ke mo lebogele gore a bo a santse a re beile mo region out of 23 schools. Ke mo leboga le bodiredi mme e bile a beile lefatshe la Botswana le Batswana fa jotlhe jwa sekole seo gore ba bo ba dirile ka botswerere ba leng teng. Re rapela gore Modimo a re neele botsogo jo bo kanakana. mme e bile a tseye taolo mo seemong se se re tlhasetseng sa COVID-19. Gape ke batla gore ke leboge dikole tsotlhe tsa primary tse di kwa kgaolong ka gore ke tsone tse di dirang gore Ke rata go tsaya nako go leboga Tautona wa phathi ya performance ya dikole tsa secondary e nne yone e re e me Rre Gaolathe, bagogi le maloko otlhe a phathi e ka bonang mo nakong ya gompieno. Dikole tsa Mokaleng, kemonokeng yotlhe e ba e nneelang nako le nako ya Phatsimo Primary School, Mahube Primary School, gore ke itsise Batswana ka tse ba neng ba di ikitsa mo Phase 4 le Moremogolo di tsweletse ka go dira bontle nakong ya ditlhopho fa ba ne ba sa kgone go re neela mo go gakgamatsang. Ke a ba leboga, Modimo o tlaa tshono ya go busa lefatshe le. ba duela.

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Mr Speaker, ke ema jaana go tsibogela mafoko a ga Tona Tona, re lebogela gore tsela ya Nata-Francistown e bo e wa Madi le Ditogamaano a a a beileng setšhaba pele le mo tsamaisong ya gompieno. Se se tshwenyang fela mo bekeng e e fetileng. Ke tshwenngwa ke gore ke na ke gore, tsela e Tona fa e le gore e ya go dirwa ka PPPs, le lebaka ke kopa Goromente go diragatsa dilo dingwe re ya go nna le mathata a tiego. Fa e le gore maikaelelo tse di tshwenyang mme di ne di le mo mananeong a a a ga Goromente ke to partner le Batswana kgotsa go ba kileng a dirwa tse di ka bong di tlhabolola kgaolo ya hira go dira projects tse, a re lekeng go bona gore ga di Francistown. tseye nako e telele go simolola. Fa di tsaya lebaka le le leele, re ya go nna le mathata. Re ya go nna 20 years re Re sale re kopile Tona gore re eletsa gore sengwe sa ntse re letetse tsela e. Fa o lebelela tsela ya Francistown- dikole tse di kwa kgaolong ya Francistown South; e Nata, ke potholes tse e leng gore ba ba itseng go tshwara ka nna Montsamaisa kana Goldmine, di fetolwe gore e nne sekole se se simololang ka Form 1 go ya go felela ditlhapi, ba ka nna ba felela ba tshela mo go tsone ba di ka Form 5 gore re fokotse go ya go kopa boroko jwa tsaya letsatsi le letsatsi jaaka dipula di na jaana. sekole kwa dikgaolong tse dingwe. Go lebega Tona a ise Ke rata go tsaya nako e, go leboga ba botsogo gore ba a sekegele kopo e tsebe. Re a kopa gore sekole sengwe bo ba lekile thata kwa tshimologong ya bolwetse jwa sa junior secondary se fetolwe go nna an integrated COVID. Ba lekile thata go bona gore contact tracing secondary school. e a dirwa. Ka nako e re leng mo yone gompieno, go Re kopile gangwe le gape gore nngwe ya dikokelwana lebega o kare ba botsogo ba setse ba imelwa ka gore tse di kwa kgaolong ya Francistown South; e ka nna contacts mo nakong ya gompieno, ba iphitlhela ba ntse Masego Clinic kana Lapologang Clinic, e fetolwe go nna kwa malwapeng gotwe, “re tlaa tla go le tlhatlhoba.” Ga kokelwana e e berekang 24 hours gore batho ba kgaolo go na yo o tlang go ba tlhatlhoba. Kwa bofelong jwa ya me ba se ka ba re bosigo ba ya go kopa bongaka kwa letsatsi, morago ga malatsi a le 15, fa ba ntse ba letsa kgaolong ya ga Rre Moswaane le Rre Buti Billy. gatwe, “nnyaa, le setse le fodile, go raya gore le ka tswa mo malwapeng.” Golo moo go supa gore system Mo lenaneong le le fetileng, go ne go supilwe gore re tlaabo re ya go agelwa sa Francistown District Hospital e setse e imelwa. Kana fa e le gore system ga e imelwe, se se neng se tshwanelwa ke gore se simolole ka 2021. go tlhoka gore go emiwe ka dinao go bonwe gore go ka Ga ke kgone go bona mo mealong ya gompieno gore dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. O kare management ya sepatela se se fa kae. Lefatshe le tshwanelwa ke gore le contacts ga e sa tlhole e tsamaya ka tsela e e simolotseng itse gore re le ka Francistown ka population e e kana, ka yone. ga re na sepatela se e leng sa rona. Sepatela se se kwa Francistown sa Nyangabgwe is a referral hospital that Mr Speaker, a go lekwe gore ba botsogo ba bone gore tiro covers the entire north of the country. Ke sone se o e, e diragala sentle. Batho ba ba at the hotels and guest bonang bontsi jwa nako se tletse, balwetse ba bangwe houses ba bolawa ke tlala e e gakgamatsang. Goromente ba robala fa fatshe ka lebaka la gore Francistown ka o tsere tshwetso ya gore o ya go duela hotels tseo le boene ga a na sepatela se se lebaganeng le ene. the lodges madi a a kana ka P500.00 fela. Kana P500. 00 yo, go tewa go duelelwa motho yo o jang breakfast, Re kopile gore kgaolo ya rona ya Francistown e ka nna lunch le supper. Motho yo o dirisang motlakase le metsi le mo go tshwanang le SPEDU kwa Phikwe, mo go ka motshegare otlhe le bosigo. Jaanong ka lebaka leo, bidiwang gore Francistown Economic Diversification P500. 00 ke madi a mannyennyane a e leng gore batho Unit mo go ka kgonang go nna lekoko kgotsa lekgotla le le tlaabong le ipaakanyetsa e bile le ipaakanyeditse ba, ga ba ka ke ba kgona to support dikgwebo tsa bone gore le senke babeeletsi ba ba ka tlang ba dira ditiro tse ka one. Ke go bolaya dikgwebo tsa Batswana go dira di faphegileng tse di ka direlang batho ba Francistown jalo. Mr Speaker, ke solofela gore Goromente dilo o tlaa ditiro ka gore jaaka batho ba kwa Phikwe, re nnile le di baakanya. mathata a gore mines tse re neng re tshela ka tsone di Go itebaganya le bolwetse jwa Corona go butse phatlha tswale mo nakong e e fetileng. Ke sone se re neng re e tona gape kwa dipateleng tsa letsatsi le letsatsi, kopa jalo. tsone tsa Nyangabgwe, Masunga, Tutume, jalojalo. Mo lenaneong le le fetileng go ne go na le Francistown Baoki ba ba neng ba le kwa dikokelong tse, ba ile kwa Customary Court, e le gore e ya go agiwa kwa kgaolong dikwarantining kwa Matsiloje jalojalo. Go raya gore ya Phase 4. Re na le lefatshe koo le le setseng gore go golo mo, go bula diphatlha mo dipateleng. Jaanong agiwe mo go lone. Ga re itse gore kago e ile kae ka gore diphatlha tse, di re diretse mathata. Goromente o tsere e ne e ntse e le mo lenaneong. tshwetso ya gore Batswana ba ba kwa dipateleng tse,

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ga ba tlholwe ke masika a bone. Masika fa a ne a tlhola rona. Go a itshupa gore mo nakong ya gompieno, re ne balwetse kwa dikokelong tse, ba ne ba ba thusa ka go ra nyafala. Ke sone se o bonang mafatshe a mangwe a ba tlhapisa, go ba neela dipilisi tsa malwetse a bone a setse a tsere vaccines, mme rona re ise re goroge foo. sukiri le high blood. Ba ne ba thusa gape ka tse dingwe Re tshwanetse re boele kwa nakong e re neng re itsiwe tse molwetse a di tlhokang le go mo fa lerato. Fa e le re le lefatshe la Botswana gore mo Aferika, re bangwe gore phatlha eo e tswetswe jaaka e tswetswe jaana, ba e leng gore fa gotwe go garumela dilo ka mashetla, mme baoki ba tlhaela, go raya gore re na le mathata a re go kgona thata. Golo moo fa go nyelela jaana, go balwetse ba ba kwa dipateleng gompieno. Ga ba bone utlwisa Motswana botlhoko. Batswana ba ikitse e le batho ba e leng gore ka itsholelo ya bone e tswa kgakala tlhokomelo e e siameng. Ba bangwe ba tlhokafala e se e itekanetse, dilo tse di tshwanang le vaccine, di ka bo ka nako ya gore ba ka tlhokafala, e le ka lebaka la gore di goroga kwa go bone pele. Jaanong gore go bo go sa baoki ga ba kgone go ba thusa ka tse ba di tlhokang. O nne jalo gompieno, go ka tloga ga supa gore gongwe fitlhela yo mongwe a bapile le dipilisi, a sa di nwe. Yo boeteledipele jwa nako ya gompieno, bo repisitse mo mongwe a bapile le dijo, a sa kgone go ja. Go raya gore go feteletseng. kwa bofelong jwa letsatsi, fa e le balwetse ba sukiri, ba felela ba tlhokafetse ba bolawa ke tlala, go na le gore Batswana ba tlhobaetse thata go utlwa gore madi a ba ba bolawe ke bolwetse jo ba bo etseng kwa sepateleng. a beileng kwa mafatsheng a dirisitswe ka bokete mo dikgweding tse di lesome fela. Tota go tlhobaela mo, Mr Speaker, Goromente a akanye gore go ka dirwa ka go tsalwa ke gore ga go na tlhaloso ya gore madi a, a tsela e e ntseng jang gore ba masika ba tswelele ka go dirisitswe ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Re ne ra ngongorega tlhola balwetse. Go neela molwetse lerato fela go kgona thata gore Puso ya State of Emergency (SOE), e neela go tlisa pholo. Kakanyo ya me ke gore, a re lekeng go Tautona boikarabelo jotlhe. Ka tsela e ntseng jalo, ke dira rapid test. Ba masika a a gaufi ba tlhatlhobiwe ka sone se se dirang gore dilo e nne o kare di direlwa mo bofefo mme fa ba se na go e dira, ba letlelelwe go tlhola lefifing kana mo sephiring. O ne wa bua o le Tona ka balwetse ba bone, go ba thusa gore ba tlhokomelesege. April gore o ntshitse madi a a fetang P2.4 billion go reka Re itse rapid tests fa gongwe di kgona go nna le diphoso. ditlamelo tsa botsogo, go akarediwa Personal Protective Go rotloediwe gore go salwe protocols morago gore fa Equipment (PPE) le tse dingwe. Gompieno ga re ise re go nnile le phoso ya gore yo o yang go tlhola molwetse bone pego e e lolameng. Ke sone se Mapalamente ka o na le mogare, go bo go fokotsega gore o ka fetisetsa bontsi ba tsweletseng ka go ngongorega gore ga ba ise mogare yo kwa go ba bangwe. Ke yone kopo e re nang ba bone pego ya gore gatwe madi a a dirisitsweng eng. le yone. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mmolotsi! Gape kwa kwarantining ya Matsiloje, tlala e bolaya batho ba ba koo. Setšhaba ga se letlelesege go ba isetsa MR MMOLOTSI: Mr Speaker… dijo gore ba thusege. Kwa ntle ga moo, kana fa o isiwa MR SPEAKER: Ke bona letsogo la ga Honourable kwa Matsiloje, o ya sepatela to test, fa o fitlhelwa o le Yandani Boko. Honourable Boko, what point are you positive, o a tsewa o ya koo. Ga o letlelelwe go ya kwa rising on? lelwapeng go tsaya tse di tlhapang jalojalo. Ke sone se e leng gore fa o tsena kwa Matsiloje, ba bangwe ba tlhapa MR BOKO: Clarification Mr Speaker. Ke kgantele fa ka the shirts le t-shirts tse ba tlileng ka tsone. Golo moo Member of Parliament (MP) a simolola. Ga ke itse gore ba botsogo ba tshwanetse ba go emele ka dinao go tle a ke ka tswelela ka yone. go siame. MR MMOLOTSI: Ke tsaya gore go setse go le late. Batswana ba ne ba solofetse gore pego ya madi e Tona a re MR BOKO: Go thari. neelang, e lekane mo tekodisong ya tsotlhe tsa bolwetse ka gore ke jone konokono mo nakong ya gompieno. MR SPEAKER: Go ahead Honourable Mmolotsi. Palamente e tlhoka morero o o atologileng gore e kgone go rebola madi a a lekaneng letlhoko la rona. Re ka MR MMOLOTSI: Jaanong go sa ntshe pego ya gore dira jalo fa pego e supile tsotlhe tse di tlhokafalang go P2.4 billion o dirile eng, ke gone mo go dirang gore lwantsha bolwetse jo bo re tlhasetseng. Re tswa kgakala gompieno Batswana ba ipotse gore madi a ile kae. re ikemetse mo go tsotlhe tse di tlhokafalang le tse di Fa e le gore Tona o dumela gore madi ao o a dirisitse tlhokang go garumelwa ka mashetla mo lefatsheng la sentle, setšhaba se tlhoka go itse gore gatwe a dirile eng.

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Fa o ya kwa dikokelong, ventilators ga di a oketsega. kgonagale ka ntlha ya gore ga go na maranyane a a Gompieno jaana, re na le clinic ya Ntshe, e e tshwereng ikanyegang. Gompieno ke bua fa ka gore Honourable balwetse ba COVID kwa Francistown. Ga go na le Molale o ntse a palelwa ke go bua a kgorelediwa ke fa e le a ventilator e one. Motho o ne a ka solofela one maranyane, mme re batla gore ditirelo tsa rona di gore mo P2.4 billion yo, kokelo eo e ka bo e bone a tsamaye sentle. Re tshwanelwa ke go dira kgang ya ventilator bogolo fa gotwe go padile, e le nngwefela. maranyane ka botswapelo gore e kgone go tlisa maduo Kwa Matsiloje go na le more than 100 patients, ga go na ka gore le dikgwebo di ka dira botoka under those a ventilator. Fa molwetse a ka tshoganyediwa ke seemo circumstances. sa khupelo, go raya gore o tlhokafala a ise a goroge kwa Sir Ketumile Masire Hospital (SKMH) kwa go nang le Bolwetse jwa Corona bo fitlhetse mohama wa rona dilo tseo. Jaanong, Tona o tshwanetse a itlhaganelele go wa botsogo o tlhotsa, jaanong bo re kgaotse maoto. ntsha pego e e phatlaletseng ya gore madi a, a dirile eng, Se re neng re tshwanetse go se dira ka lepotlapotla Mr re kgone go tlhalosa. Speaker, ke go sekaseka mealo ya rona, re bo re e aga sesha. E seng tsa botsogo fela, mehama yotlhe, segolo Re gakolotse re le ba Alliance for Progressives (AP) ka jang tsamaiso ya Puso, go fetlha itsholelo le tokafatso kgwedi ya March ngwaga o o fetileng gore selekanyo sa ya seemo sa thuto. Tota COVID-19 e fitlhetse dilo tsa madi a a beetsweng fa thoko go lwantsha le go ritibatsa rona di ntse di sa siama sentle, mme ya tla ya di oketsa. seemo sa bolwetse, a kwa tlase thata. Re ne re beetse around 2.5 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product Puso e tshwanetse e ipotse gore tshokamo e e ntseng e le (GDP) at the time. Mafatshe a mangwe ba beetswe madi teng, e ka baakanngwa jang go ya pele ka gore ke yone a a tsamaelanang le 10 per cent wa GDP ya bone go mathata a lefatshe la Botswana. Re buile gangwe le lwantsha bolwetse jo ka gore ba ne ba lemogile, le rona gape re le neela moalo wa gore itsholelo e agiwa ka tsela re ne re lemogile gore bolwetse jo bo ya go re tsenya e e ntseng jang, e bile e ka godisiwa ka bonako, mme dingalo. Re ne re bua jaana re sekasekile ka fa mafatshe e bile e le kgolo e e nonneng. Kwa AP re ne re ipeetse a mangwe a dirang ka teng, mme e bile re lebile gore seelo pele ga Batswana ba re gana kwa ditlhophong baitseanape ka nako eo, ba ne ba supa gore seemo sa gore e tlaare mo dingwageng tse thataro, e bo itsholelo itsholelo se tlaa tshikinyega le go wela tlase mo go e phophoma, e gola ka selekanyo sa 10 per cent ngwaga tseneletseng. le ngwaga. E ne e se ditoro fela, le ba mafatshe a bo Asia, a gotweng Asian Tigers, ba kgonne go gola ka Tona, lenaneo la gago le o neng wa le dira la go leka go selekanyo sone se, le go feta mo nakong e khutshwane. rudisa dikompone thatathata tse di kwa tlase, mosola wa Re ka ithuta go le gontsi thata fa re ka leba re bo re lone ga o kalokalo. O ka ipotsa gompieno gore bomma tsaya tsela e ba e tsereng, ka gore golo ga teng go bidiwa le borradimausu, mechanics, ba ba rekisang morogo fa benchmarking, ga se go kopa. thoko ga tsela, fa o re o ka ba neela madi a a kana ka P1000.00 go rudisa dikgwebo tsa bone, P1000.00 o ka Ga go na pelaelo epe ya gore lefatshe la rona o kare rudisa kgwebo go simolola leng? boeteledipele bo repisitse thata, mme e bile o kare re beile mo Modimong fela gore bokamoso jwa rona e Re ne re tshwanetse ra dirisa nako e re leng mo go yone tlaa nna jo bo nametsang. Tona wa Madi ga a kgone go go loga lenaneo le le tsepameng la itsholelo, mme e bile supa tsela e e lolameng ya gore morudiso wa itsholelo ra fetola thata mokgwa wa go dira ditiro, mo gotweng e e golafetseng o tlaa tswa kae. Ga go supafale gore project implementation and delivery. E bile ra baya Goromente o tlaa fetolwa fa kae gore itsholelo e gole ka pele go dira projects tse di busetsang, maduo a tsone a gore mo nakong ya gompieno, lefatshe le tšhonne thata. aname; mo go bidiwang ka Sekgoa gotwe high impact Lefatshe le le setseng fela ka madi a kana ka P5.6 billion, projects. Mr Speaker, itsholelo ya lefatshe le e tlhoka go le tlhoka dikakanyo tse di tseneletseng tsa morudiso. Fa agiwa, ga e ka ke ya ikaga. Gape re le lefatshe, ga re ka re lebile ka fa re tsamayang ka teng, go a bonala ga re ke ra tswelela ka go dirisa madi re sa ipotse gore mme a kitla re fitlhelela maikemisetso le maitlamo a setšhaba a dirwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Vision 2036 a go nna a high income country.

Goromente o tlhoka go tsaya sebaka se Mr Speaker, Baitseanape botlhe ba tsa itsholelo ba supa gore itsholelo go aga le go tsholetsa selebego sa tiriso ya maranyane; ya rona e tshwanetse ya gola ka selekanyo sa 8 per cent mo go bidiwang gotwe digitisation. Re lemogile gore kana go feta, ngwaga le ngwaga gore re kgone go goroga le fa gotwe batho ba berekela kwa malwapeng, ga go kwa high income economy e re e batlang. Tona o supa

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gore ga a ka ke a kgona go isa kgolo ya itsholelo kwa maikaelelo a gore le tsosolose mohama wa agriculture. dipalong tseo, mme fa a rialo fela, Tona o raya gore high Lenaneo le ga le supe gore le tlisa maduo, e bile ga le income status e padile, we will never be able to achieve supe gore le na le madi a a tswang mo go Goromente a Vision 2036 e re buang ka ga yone. a itebagantseng le lone. Ka tsela e e ntseng jalo, ga go supafale gore lenaneo le le lone re ka re ke lengwe le le Mo pegong e, Tona o supa fa sekgoreletsi segolo e ka tlang la rudisa manufacturing and agriculture. nnile bolwetse jwa Corona. Ga go na nnete mo go se Tona a se buang. Fa o leba dingwaga tse di lesome tse Paragraph 34 e o neng o bua ka ga yone mo ngwageng di fetileng Mr Speaker, ga go na nako epe e itsholelo e o o fetileng, o ne o rile le dirile a sub-committee kileng ya gola go feta 8 per cent. Bolwetse jwa Corona go sekaseka ka fa le ka agang sesha maphata a Puso bo ne bo seyo ka nako eo. E ne e le mananeo a party ya kgotsa parastatals ka teng. Ga go na le fa e le sepe se se Domkrag a a paledisitseng lefatshe le go gola ka bofefo dirilweng mo nakong ya gompieno. Le gompieno Tona jo e leng gore fa boeteledipele e ne e le bo sele, bo ka ga o bue sepe ka yone. bo bo dirisitse madi a a kanakana a re neng re na le one Kwa Paragraph 50, Tona o ne o bua gore ka June 2020, go tlisa kgolo e e gaisang ka fa lefatshe la Botswana le re tlaabo re na le mo gotweng e-commerce strategy, godileng ka teng gompieno. le gompieno re ema fela ka go gakgamala, ga go na Mo pegong ya ga Tona ya ngwaga o o fetileng, o ne a sepe se o se buang ka e-commerce strategy e o neng bua mafoko a mangwe, a ke dumelang gore gompieno o e solofeditse. Kwa Paragraph 55, o ne o buile gore o a lebetse. O ne a re “it is not going to be business as Decentralisation Policy e mo tseleng, gompieno o usual.” Re tsweletse ka go bona dilo di dirwa fela ka didimetse, e bile ga go na sepe se se supang gore go tlaa tsela e di ntseng di dirwa ka yone. Ga go na phetogo epe, tlhola go nna le sepe sa mohuta o. mme e bile ga go na le bofefo bope jo re bonang o kare Paragraph 60, o ne o buile gore Employment Policy bo tsweletse. Se ke dumela gore Tona go tlaa re a se lebe e mo tseleng, mo bogompienong re lebile tsela, go ka bofefo. Go botlhoko thata Mr Speaker, ka jaana Tona raya gore ke tsela e telele thata. Wena le Tautona mo a supa boitlhobogo mo pegong ya gagwe ya madi ya go Paragraph 65, le ne le rile le tla tlisa molao wa Citizen ka fetola seemo se. Economic Empowerment (CEE), wa go tsenya dikhumo mo matsogong a Batswana, molao o o ntse ga o yo, re Mo ngwageng o re tswang mo go one, Tona o dirile eme ka go gakgamala. ditsholofetso tse dintsi thata, mme dingwe tsa tsone ke tlaa di supa. Se se utlwisang botlhoko ke gore, e re Tona Le ne le supile mo Paragraph 72 gore le tlisa Forbes a ne a dirile ditsholofelo tse di kana, e bile le budget Under 30 Conference kwano, gongwe legale le tlaare e ne e dirilwe re kgaogantse madi, e bo dilo tse di ise COVID-19 e ne ya tla, nnyaa e ka nna seipato se se di dirwe. Ga ke dumalane le mafoko a ga Rre Balopi botoka. a kgantele a neng a bua gore re tshwanelwa ke go itse gore dilo ga di diragale gompieno ka lebaka la gore Le sale le solofeditse ka 2019 gore le tlaa sekaseka go ne ga nna le bolwetse. Re dirisitse P2.4 billion mo Molaomotheo, le bua gore le ya go o sekaseka otlhe, bolwetseng, mme budget e re neng re e ntsha, e ne e le e seng ka maketoketo. Go a tshwenya gore gompieno Molaomotheo o sekasekwa fa go na le sengwe se se ntsi mo ngwageng o o fetileng, ditirelo tse dingwe di ka babalelang party ya Domkrag, le batla go se baakanya bo di ne di tsweletse. kgatlhanong le maikaelelo a lona a go ya go sekaseka Tona mo Paragraph 24 o supile gore Puso e tlaa Molaomotheo otlhe ka fa le ne le solofetsa Batswana. itebaganya le mohama wa temothuo le wa manufacturing. Sekai ke molao wa floor crossing wa maloba fela o tla Fa o lebelela mo nakong ya gompieno gore a temothuo re sa itse gore o tabogile o tswa kae, e le letshogo fela la kana manufacturing di tlhabologile, ga go a nna jalo. Fa gore le ne le na le kakanyo ya gore Mapalamente ba tlaa o kopanya seabe sa agriculture and manufacturing, se tswa mo Domkrag ba ya kwa diphathing tsa Kganetso. ntse se kwa tlase ga 5 per cent. Fa le sena go dira floor crossing, e bile Tautona a ne a ipokile thata gore fela ‘fa o feta ke o baya monwana,’ Mr Speaker, maiteko a ga Tona a go tsholetsa mohama ga re ntse kgwedi o sa saeniwe, le tsamaya le o tsere mo, a bonale. Re lemoga gore go na le lenaneo le lesha la ga recruiting batho ka one, jaaka o bona gompieno le ne la Tautona, kgotsa le le eteletsweng pele ke Tautona la go tabola fale le fale, mme legale le sa re ntsha mo tseleng aba diphoko le diphelehu, gongwe ke lone le le teng ka mo go kalokalo.

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Fa re le mo lebelong la ditlhopho tsa 2019 Mr Speaker, lefatshe ka bophara. Ga se nako e Tona a ka bong a bua Tautona le ene o ne a dira ditsholofetso, mme gompieno ka downsizing and rightsizing. Ke ya gore Tona a bo a o kare di lebalesegile. Dingwe tsa tsone ke tse di bua ka gore ditiro di ka okediwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang latelang; Tautona o ne a rile o ya go direla Batswana mo lefatsheng la Botswana. ditiro tse dintsi. E ne ya re fa re tswa kwa ditlhophong, Tautona o tlhalositse gore tiro ya ga Goromente ga se Maloba fa ke tsibogela mafoko a ga Tautona a State go dira ditiro, ke go dira environment go nna conducive of the Nation Address (SONA), ke ne ka tlhalosa gore ga re ka ke ra kgona go fetola itsholelo ya rona fa re gore go dirwe ditiro. Go raya gore tsholofetso e nne sa itebaganye le kgang e tona e e maleba, ya go fetola Tautona a e solofetsa Batswana ka nako ya teng, o ne a e Molaomotheo. Go fetola Molaomotheo Mr Speaker, ga fetogela. Le wena gompieno, go supa gore le e fetogetse re reye jaaka lona le dira mo ga go ketlolaketlola, re raya gotlhelele ka gore o tlhalosa gore diphatlha tsotlhe tsa a comprehensive review of the Constitution. Go fetola mebereko tse di neng di tshwanetse gore di kabiwe, le Motheo fa re ka go tsaya ka bongwe ka bongwe, ga go tlaa bolaya half ya tsone mo ngwageng o o tlang. Gape ka ke ga re thusa. Re tlhoka gore lefatshe le tswelele o tlhalosa gore go ya kwa pele, le tlaa se ke le hire mo kwa pele le nne le dipoelo, Molaomotheo e nne one o bathong ba ba tlogelang tiro, diphatlha tsa bone ga le o simololang ka go aga se re eletsang go se dira gore na go di kaba. Go raya gore mo boemong jwa go direla lefatshe le kgone go fetoga. Re a itse gore Constitution Batswana ditiro mo le go solofeditseng, tota jaanong le e e dirilwe ka dingwaga tse di kwa morago thata, ka tshwanelwa ke go ema ka dinao go bolelela Batswana tsela e e ntseng jalo, ga e ka ke ya tsamaelana le ka fa gore re ne re sa bolelele ruri, tota boammaaruri e ne e re batlang go dira dilo ka teng mo nakong ya gompieno. le go batla go fokotsa bodiredi jwa ga Goromente mo Re tshwanelwa ke gore phenyo e re batlang go e dira mo tirong. itsholelong, re simolole ka go e aga ka Molaomotheo wa lefatshe le. Any transformation strategy e e dirwang go Le rile le ya go sekaseka Molaomotheo, eo ke buile sa nna le tshekatsheko le go dira sesha Molaomotheo, ka yone e padile. Le ne le rile le ya go fetisa molao re a bo re ise re simolole ka gore leago la rona ga le wa economic empowerment, o padile. Le rile le ya a siama gotlhelele. Tsaya sekai gompieno ka tsela go boela morago molao wa bokgokgontshi wa Media ya go dira Pego ya Madi a Setšhaba; re solofela gore Mapalamente ba buise jang Pego ya Setšhaba ba kopana Practitioners Act. Mopalamente Keorapetse o ne a tla ka le yone maabane mo Palamenteng, ba sena dikitso le Tshutiso maloba ya gore molao o o boelwe kwa morago, fa e le bodiredi jo bo ka ba thusang go bala le go buisa re tsaya gore e bile go ya go nna motlhofo ka gore ke pego e ya madi? Kwa AP, re buile gangwe le gape gore tsholofetso e Tautona a neng a e dira letsatsi le letsatsi. re tlhoka mo go bidiwang gotwe Parliamentary budget Le ganne le gone. Le mo nakong ya gompieno, ga le bue office, e e ka thusang Mapalamente gore ba kgone go sepe ka to reverse Media Practitioners Act mme la re re tlhaloganya, interrogate le go buisa pego e ya madi. Golo mo e re ntswa re tswa kgakala re gakolola, go tswelele ka go le tshepa gore le Goromente yo o nang le wela fela mo mmung o o sa ntsheng maduo. Kana re boammaaruri. tshwanelwa ke gore gompieno jaana, Palamente e bo e Le ne le rile go ya go nna le lenaneo la go fetola lefatshe, ne ya nna yone e ntshang mo go bidiwang gotwe budget mo go bidiwang gotwe transformation strategy. E kae priorities, mme gompieno re kopana le yone e ntse jaaka gompieno? Le ne le rile le ya go lwantsha tshenyetso- e ntse, e ya go feta e ntse jaana. setšhaba. Letsatsi leno jaana tshenyetso-setšhaba mo Pharologanyo e tona gareng ga rona le mafatshe a lefatsheng la Botswana, e tsamaya ka dinao e bile le fa mangwe Mr Speaker, a a kgonang go itirela sentle o leba mabela a teng, a o bona gore a ke a segompieno. ke boeteledipele fela. Ke yone pharologanyo. The difference between successful nations and our own Mr Speaker, Tona o re beile pele pego e e sa lomaganang, country is leadership. Kana boleng jwa boeteledipele Mr e e senang tebelopele, e sa supe gore re mo seemong Speaker, bo tlisa pharologanyo e e gakgamatsang. Tsaya sa lepotlapotla e bile re tshwanetse ra siana go alela sekai ka lefatshe la Singapore; le kgonne gore le tswe lefatshe la rona moalo o o tsepameng, go ntsha batho mo lehumeng le le neng le ba apere ka ngwaga wa 1965. ba rona mo lehumeng. Go dira ditiro tse di nang le Ngwaga wa teng ke o le rona re neng re ipaakanyetsa go boleng, go abela batho ba rona lefatshe la bonno le la tsaya boipuso. Gompieno Singapore ke sekgantshwane kgwebo, go nonotsha puso ya batho ka batho le go nna sa ditlhabololo. It is a first world country, mme rona re sekgantshwane sa go tsamaisa itsholelo ka bokgabane santse re le fa re leng teng.

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Lantlha ke tsamaiso ya Puso Mr Speaker, mo go bidiwang Mr Speaker, gore re tlaa tsenya dikompone tsa gotwe governance. Fa boeteledipele bo sa tlhaloganye megobagoba tse di dirang P10 billion ka ngwaga di le selo se, ga re ka ke ra ya gope. Moeteledipele wa bone pedi, ke mo re go buileng fa re ipapaletsa ditlhopho gore wa lefatshe leo, wa nako eo, yo o neng a bidiwa gotwe fa re ka tlhophiwa, re tlaa tsenya dikompone tsa mofuta Lee Kuan Yew, o ne a na le tebelopele e kgolo thata. oo di le pedi ka ngwaga, mme e bile re na le maikaelelo Puso ya gompieno ga e na tebelopele Mr Speaker. Tsaya a go tsenya tse di lesome tse ka ngwaga di dirang go sekai fela ka pego e re leng mo go yone; e lebela gaufi, feta P2 billion mo dingwageng tse six. O kgona go bona e bua dikgang tsa gompieno fela, ga e lebele kwa pele, gore tebelopele ya rona, e ne e ka ntsha lefatshe le la ga e lebele dingwaga tse pedi tse di tlang. Ka tsela e e Botswana mo mathateng ka ponyo ya leitlho. ntseng jalo, ga re ka ke ra kgona go tswa mo mathateng fa e le gore re lebela mo bogautshwanyaneng jo bo Tota rona Mr Speaker, re tshwanetse ra itebaganya kanakana. thata le go godisa dikgwebo tse di potlana. Nngwe ya matshego a re ka a dirisang go kala kgolo ya tsone, ke Fa ke boela kwa Singapore Mr Speaker, ba ne ba gore ke di le kae tse di kgonneng go tsena mo mmarakeng eteleditse kwa pele go hira batho ba ba nang le boleng, wa mafatshe a mangwe? Tona, o tshwanetse gore fa o bokgoni le botsipa jwa go dira tiro. Ke gore ba hira kopa madi jaana, o bo o supa gore ke dikompone di le the best and the brightest. E seng tsamaiso ya Puso ya kae ngwaga oo, tse o nang le maikaelelo a gore e nne rona mo lefatsheng la Botswana, e bontsi jwa nako go multinationals. E bile o di thusa ka tsela e e ntseng jang hiriwang ka lebaka la gore o wa party efe, mme e bile go gore di goroge mo status seo sa go nna multinationals sa engwe gone foo, fa gongwe e le gore o wa lekgamu ka gore go dira jalo, go ya go tlisa revenue le ditiro. lefe la party e e busang. Ba ne ba ipeela seelo ba kwa Bagwebi ba babotlana ba arametse diemo tse di bokete Singapore sa gore ga ba na go tsamaisana gope le tshenyetso-setšhaba. Ga o ka ke wa fitlhela baeteledipele mo nakong ya gompieno, segolo jang fa re lebile ba Singapore ba amega mo dikgetsing tsa tshenyetso- dikiletso tse di leng teng tsa lockdown le curfews. Tona, setšhaba jaaka e le tlwaelo kwano. Re a itse gore mo o tshwanetse gore o bo o supa mo pegong ya gago gore lefatsheng la Botswana le mo Palamenteng e, re ne re dikompone tse o di thusa ka tsela e e ntseng jang gore kgona gore e re phakela Tona a bo a seka corruption kwa di tsoge mo mathateng a di leng mo go one, mme e bile court mme maitseboa a bo a na le rona mo Palamenteng. o beetse bokae fa thoko go di thusa. Golo moo ga ke go Kwa Singapore go hirwa ba ba dirang tiro ba lebile bone mo pegong ya gago. yone, ba itse gore ke tiro fela ga ke na protection ya boeteledipele. Segolobogolo ba ne ba itebaganya le go Re buile gangwe le gape re le AP gore re ka dirisa aga dikompone tse ditona. Re buile gangwe le gape re le dikompone tsa Puso; state-owned enterprises or AP gore e ke yone tsela e e tsepameng ya go aga itsholelo parastatals, e le tshimolodiso ya go aga dikompone tse e e ka phophomang, e fetlha ditiro ka mmetela e bile e tsa megobagoba, tse di bidiwang gotwe multinationals. duela dikatso tse di bonalang. Kana kwa Singapore Mr Pele... Speaker, tla ke go sebetse; fa gotwe motho ga a duelwe, MR SPEAKER: Your time is up Honourable Member. ke yo o amogelang madi a a kana ka US$4,000. Ke gore P40,000 ka kgwedi. Ga go pale sepe gore le rona mo MR MMOLOTSI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. lefatsheng la Botswana, re ka kgona gore re tsene mo seemong se se ntseng jalo. MR SPEAKER: Thank you Honourable Member, thank you so much. Honourable Molale, ga ke itse gore Fa o lebelela kompone e e kwa Singapore ya Temasek, o fa kae to be ready to take the floor, but if you are not ke parastatal. Ke kompone ya ga Goromente, e dira ready then we can call the next...(Inaudible)… dipoelo tse di fetang US$100 billion ka ngwaga mme e bile boleng jwa dithoto tsa bone, mo gotweng assets HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ke teng. worth, ke go feta US$300 billion. The net profit ya HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, o nne o kompone e ke US$10 billion. Molekane wa kompone e lebelela mabogo, virtual hands. mo Botswana Mr Speaker, ke Botswana Development Corporation (BDC) mme o a itse gore performance le MR SPEAKER: Oh! you are quite right; I did not see net worth ya yone e ntse jang. Dilo tse re buang ka ga your hand. Go raya gore o tsholeditse fela a setse a tsone tsa Singapore, di ka diragala mo lefatsheng la tsamaela go fetsa. I am very sorry about that, I apologise Botswana. Honourable Member.

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi, you have the floor. MR SPEAKER: What point are you raising on Honourable Segokgo? ASSISTANT MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR MOLEBATSI): We MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AND have swapped Mr Speaker. COMMUNICATIONS (MR SEGOKGO): Mr Speaker, legale mma ke itlhalose fela, ke ne ke tsholeditse MR SPEAKER: Le batla go ntsietsa jaanong, the list after he cited dilo tsa Singapore, it was on clarification, I have does not have…oh okay! She was the next one. jaanong kana o feditse. So it is a bit unfortunate. Alright, go ahead Honourable Monnakgotla.

MR SPEAKER: I really apologise as well, I did not MS MONNAKGOTLA (KGALAGADI NORTH): see your hand…(Inaudible)… Honourable Molale Thank you Mr Speaker. Good afternoon and mma ke where are you, are you ready or we should call the next leboge sebaka se ke se neetsweng se gore ke eme Tona Member? Matsheka nokeng. Ke ema pego e ya madi nokeng ka ke tshepa Tona Matsheka ke itse gore he dealt with MR MOLALE: Mma ke leke gape Motsamaisa money, o kile a dira ka madi, mme e bile o kile a ruta Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. ka madi, bogolo jang kwa University of Botswana. The MR SPEAKER: Go ahead Honourable Member, you accountants tse re nang le tsone tsa Batswana, Tona have 20 minutes 44 seconds. Matsheka o di rutile. Jaanong re itse gore o tshwere madi a Batswana sentle, e bile o ka a isa kwa pele. MR MOLALE: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo Ke simolole ka go leboga gore Multi Topic Household tsa Palamente. Ke ne ke re, mme e rile fa bolwetse jo Survey e a dirwa, e bile ke yone e ka kgonang go re bo tlhasela, ga ntshiwa madi a go ntse go buiwa gore bontsha gore letlhoko la ditiro le a gola. Jaanong Tona ga go itsewe gore go dirilwe eng ka one, ga namolwa Matsheka o ne a bona gore e re letlhoko la ditiro le ntse Batswana, industry support fund, food relief, dilo tsa le gola jaana, ba bo ba batla mananeo a a nonofileng, a tourism, for instance... a ka thusang letlhoko la ditiro. Mananeo a a tshwanang HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ntse o re batho ga ba le Young Farmers Fund, mme survey e ya Multi Topic utlwale, ke wena o sa utlwaleng. Household, ke dumela tota e a supa gore kwa Kgalagadi North letlhoko le le ntsi thata la ditiro, bogolo jang mo MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molale, I am told mathata bananeng. Tsholofelo ya me Tona ke gore o ise jone a gago a ntse a tsweletse. Jaanong gongwe tla re go fe bonnyennyane jwa madi bogolo jang gone ka fa Young break until you correct mathata ao completely. Let me at Farmers gore letlhoko la ditiro le tle le fokotsege. this juncture call upon Honourable Molebatsi. Fa ke tsena mo go tsa COVID-19, ke leboga ba MR MOLALE: Ahh! Go padile. essential services botlhe le COVID-19 Taskforce Team ...(Interruptions)... re bone gore this team e tshwere ka …Silence… matsetseleko. Re a bona gore dintsho tsa rona di ile tlase, HONOURABLE MEMBER: Good afternoon Mr di ya tlase. Le bone ba ba re tlogetseng mo Botswana ka Speaker... COVID-19 ke ba beye fa pele ga ga Ramasedi. Ke reye sekole sa Matsha College se se kwa Kang ka se amilwe MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi. thata ke COVID-19 maloba ke re, Ramasedi o teng, o tlaa ntsha COVID-19, bana bale ba tlaa fola, ba tlaa pasa. …Silence… Bolwetse jo bo babaletse itsholelo lefatshe ka bophara. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Talita Monnakgotla, you Fa go ntse jaana bagaetsho dikgwebo di ile tlase, batho did not raise your hand. Ga re tsene fela Honourable ba latlhegelwa ke ditiro. Kgwebo e nnyennyane go ya Member. Tsholetsa letsogo. go ema ka e tona e a babalelwa ke bolwetse jo. Ka Tona Matsheka e le motho yo o itseng ka tsa dikgwebo, ke re HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nne a re o go bolelela Puso e tlaa tswelela ka go re senkela mananeo bogolo gore they have swapped le Honourable Molebatsi. jang ERTP madi, gore e tle e tsose one mohama wa HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Interruptions)… itsholelo. Ke re a tswelele fela jalo Tona Matsheka ka

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gore tota madi gone mme o a itse, e bile ke a tshepha Fa ke tsena mo road infrastructure, seemo sa ditsela gore le dikgwebo tsa Batswana tse di babaletsweng mo dikgaolong tse dingwe jaaka tsa Kgalagadi, re a itse di tlaa thusega, e bile di tlaa namoga, ka gore, gore gore se kwa tlase e bile ga se a siama, bogolo jang fa re itsholelo e kgone go nna botoka ke fa dikgwebo di dira ya kwa settlements. Ke rotloetsa Puso go tsenya leitlho sentle, ka ke tsone tse di duelang makgetho ao. kwa Kgalagadi North mo ditseleng, di baakanngwe. Fela jaaka le ne le utlwa ba Ntlo ya Dikgosi ba bua jaaka Fa ke tsena mo budget implementation, ke rotloetsa e ne e tsene maloba gore tsela ya Hukuntsi-Tsabong e maphata a a tshwanang le bo Botswana Fibre Networks setse e batla go dirwa ka gore ke yone e e ka tsholetsang (BOFINET) le Botswana Telecommunications bojanala e bile e ka fokotsa letlhoko la ditiro. Tona, Corporation (BTC) go tswelela ka go sekaseka mafoko a Kgosi a agelwa mosako. Dilo tse di ka tshusa ditlhwatlhwa tsa ditlhaeletsanyo, data pricing. Ka thata gore re nne le bojanala jo bo tsweletseng kwa ntlha ya gore batho ba le bantsi gompieno, bogolo jang Kgalagaid North. kwa dikgaolwaneng, ba setse ba simolotse go dirisa Fa ke tsena mo Paragraph 86 e e buang ka tsa thuto, maranyane a a tlhokang data packaging. Jaanong pego ya budget e supa gore Lephata la Thuto le filwe batho ba ba dikompone tsa bo BTC, ba lebelele dilo madi a a kana ka P9.52 billion. Budget e e ya go thusa tse. Ke lemoga gore Puso jaanong e tsweletse ka radio go oketsa barutabana le go dira dikago. Golo mo ka broadcasting coverage expansion, mme ke re kwa bogone, go ya go thusa letlhoko la ditiro. Bana ba ba Kgalagadi North bogolo jang at the settlements, re a feditseng Degree ba barutabana, ba ntse ba sa bereke, itse gore ga gona coverage ya radio, mme e botlhokwa ba tlaa kgona go bona ditiro le ba ba agang. Ke selo se bogolo jang gone mo baneng, jaaka re ne re bona sentle Tona. gore e rile ka lockdowns bana ba ne ba rutwa ka tsone Ke tsena mo Paragraph 88, botsogo. Mo kgaoganyong diromamowa. Jaanong dilo tse di ntseng jaana, radio ya madi a setšhaba, ke eletsa go bona setšhaba sa coverage, jaaka mo pegong go ne go bolelwa gore e Botswana se bona dipilisi le melemo mo dikokelwaneng setse e akaretsa Kweneng West, ke solofela gore e tlaare le primary hospitals tsotlhe mo Botswana, bogolo jang e tswa ka koo e ye kwa Kgalagadi North. ke bua ka settlements. A re se ka ra bona motho a tswa Go tlhabisa ditlhong gore mo nakong eno e lefatshe le kwa a ya kwa Hukuntsi a latela dipilisi. Selo se se lwantshang bolwetse jwa COVID-19, go bo go santse botlhoko ka gore go sa tsaya melemo kgotsa dipilisi tseo go na le maphata mangwe a gotweng ga a dirise madi a ka nako, ke dingwe tse di fokotsang botshelo jwa batho. Puso sentle. Ke re selo se a re se baakanye Tona, mme e Pego e bua sentle gore e tlaa lebelela dilo tseo. Mo go bile report e bua ka puo “value for money.” Seemo se se tsa botsogo, e ya go lebelela gore clinics di ya go nna le batla go tsenngwa leitlho thata. A re se tokafatse Tona, dipilisi le melemo. Tona, o tlaabo o dirile sentle. fa re ka tsenya leitlho mo mading, tota go ka tswelela. Fa ke tsena mo Paragraph 89 e e buang ka Local Ke solofela gore go tsenngwa ga Information and Government, ke bua ka rraarona le mmaarona. Fa ke re Communications Technology (ICT) mo dikoleng go tlaa ke rraarona e bile ke mmaarona, ke ka gore lephata le tokafatsa maduo thata lefatshe ka bophara, bogolo jang le simolola go godisa ngwana, le a mo thusa le bo le mo baneng, from primary, secondary fela jalo, bogolo ye go feleletsa ka mogodi kana monalebogole. E bile jang at the settlements. Ke selo se se ntle ka gore kgang re a itse gore ke lone le le nang le Village Development e ya tlhaelo ya dibuka, e tlaabo e le selo sa maloba. Ke Committees (VDCs) e bile le lebeletse ditlhabololo tsa a itse gore ga gona motlakase at the settlements, mme magae. Re bua ka batho ba e leng bo mmaboipelego ba e re fa mafaratlhatlha a ntse a tsena a ICT, a motlakase ba lebeletseng batho ba ba mo magaeng; fa dilo di sa le one o tsene at the settlements, ba se ka ba salela kwa siamang fale le fale. morago, ka gore ga ke batle gore e re ditlhatlhobo di tswa e bo e le gore Kgalagadi North e kwa tlase, jaaka Gareng ga ditiro tsotlhe tsa lephata le, ke lemoga fa Tona wa Thuto Molao a letse a supa gore e kwa tlase Puso e tlhagafaletse dikgang tsa Gender-Based Violence mo maduong one a primary le junior certificate. Fa go (GBV). Ke dikgang tse dintle gore GBV e ya go fiwa ka lebelelwa gore e re mafaratlhatlha a tsena ka kwano, madi gore seemo se sa yone se wele tlase. Fa go tla go le gone ka kwa Kgalagadi North a bo a setse a tsene. A tla mo kgokgontshong, Batswana, ke motho wa mme go tsenngwe motlakase pele ka gore le ICT e tlhokana e bile ke ema le ba ba latlhegetsweng ke matshelo le le one. ba ba gobaditsweng ka ntlha ya kgokgontsho. Selo se

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botlhoko. Fa Puso e lemogile gore mo mathateng a otlhe mo dikgaolong tse dingwe. Ke le mme e bile ke le e bone gore kgokgontsho e a lebelelwa, ke selo se sentle Mopalamente wa Kgalagadi North, ke utlwa botlhoko ka gore setshwarwa ke ntša pedi ga se thata. Ke solofela gore ga go a buiwa sepe ka metsi a a tswang kwa gore kgokgontsho e e tlaa fokotsega mo lefatsheng le la Ncojane Wellfield go ya kwa Macheng Villages. Selo Botswana, bogolo jang mo baneng. se se nkutlwisitse botlhoko ka gore ga go na metsi kwa Macheng. Re nwa metsi a a tswang kwa Kang. Re 15 Paragraph 93; Transport and Communications; fa ke 000, mme potso ke gore re ya to be bowsed go fitlhelela bua ka lephata le mo go fokotseng tiriso ya madi le gore leng? Tona, ke ne ke solofetse gore project e e mo le ka tsenya jang madi, ke gore Department of Road pegong ya madi. Ke nngwe ya dilo tse ke neng ke di Transport and Safety Department e ikemele fela jaaka solofetse, mme legale o tlaa tswelela, o tlaa e lebelela. re ne ra bona Puso e emisa Civil Aviation Authority Re tlaa nna re ntse re tswelela re di bua, ka gore le one of Botswana (CAAB). Go tshwanetse ga tlhamiwa Mapalamente a Kgalagadi North a a duleng ke fitlhela Botswana Road Transport Authority mo nakong e e ba ntse ba e bua, e ne e le pina mo go bone. Selo se, se gaufi. Re tlaa bona ditsela, bogolo jang tse di nang le lebelele Tona. potholes, potholes tseo di nyelela. Fa ke tsweletse ke lebelela pego ya gago ya madi, fa ke Ke utlwile Mapalamente ba le bantsi ba ngongorega ka bua ka agriculture, Puso e supa fa e tlaa lebelela thata ditsela le bus ranks. Bus ranks tsa bone ga di a siama. balemi-barui, gore ba tseye temothuo e le kgwebo. Ke Fa Puso e ka lebelela selo se, ya tlhama lephata le… ke puo e ntle Tona, e bile o bua gore kwa go tshwanang le a itse gore Puso ka nako e e batla go fokotsa parastatals. kwa Gantsi jaaka ba lema ditapole, fa ditapole tsa bone Ee, go na le tse di sa berekeleng Puso. Go na le tse Puso di setse di le mo thekisong, ga gona go nna le ditapole tse e batlang go di kopanya. Lephata le la Road Transport di tlaa tswang kwa ntle ga lefatshe la Botswana. O ya go and Safety fa le ka ikemela, ra bona ditsela di dirwa, re ya go emisa dilelo tse dintsi tsa ditsela le bus ranks. A lebelela bone ba Gantsi ba rekisa ditapole tsa bone, go Puso e tsenye selo se leitlho Tona Matsheka, ke wena o fitlhelela ba di fetsa. Dilo tse di di ntle fa go tla go tsena tshwereng madi a setšhaba. Gore re bo re re Puso e ka mo temothuong, gore a e nne kgwebo e e ka tsenyetsang kgona e le nosi, ga e ka ke ya kgona. Re lebelele gore lefatshe madi. Ke santse ke na le kutlobotlhoko e Puso e ka kgona go dira ditsela tse le bomang. nngwe, ka gore maloba ke bone peo e goroga thari. Ke ipotsa gore balemi ba ba kwa Kgalagadi, fa e le gone ba Fa ke tsena mo Paragraph 95 e e buang ka Lephata bonang peo, ba ya go lema leng mme Puso e batla go la Agriculture; mo pegong ya madi, Tona o buile tsaya go lema e le kgwebo. Ba ya go lema leng, ka gore gore madi mangwe a ya go ya kwa Botswana Meat pula ke e, e a na e bile e tloga e fetsa, ba tlaa dira jang. A Commission (BMC) and other facilities. Ke kope Tona e re re bua jaana Tona, le rona re le Puso re dire re bone gore “other facilities” e nne Artificial Insemination gore balemi ba rona ba tsaya dilo jalo le badirelapuso. (AI) ya Phuduhudu e e kwa Kang. Ke kopa gore AI, e e dirang kgodiso ka seatla le go tlhabolola leruo e e Fa ke tsena mo go tsa bojanala; pego e supa gore e tlaa kwa Phuduhudu e lebelelwe mo go other facilities. Ke tlhabolola bojanala bogolo jang mo ditoropong. Tona, nngwe ya ditsholofetso tse re ka di lebogelang ka gore re a utlwa mme ke re lebelela le kwa dikgaolong tsa Puso jaanong e lebeletse mohama wa agriculture. rona, bogolo jang kwa Phuduhudu kwa batho ba teng ba saleng ba solofediwa cultural village. Dilo tse, a di Fa ke tsena mo Land Management; pego ya madi e supa lebelelwe le tsone e le ditsholofetso tsa batho. Le kgoro fa e ya go itebaganya le kabo ya ditsha le kgaoganyo ya ya the Central Kalahari Game Reserve (CKGR) e e ka fa lefatshe (land demarcation). Tsholofelo ya me ke gore Kang, e ka tsenyetsa lefatshe madi ya tsosa itsholelo... mafelo a a senang mafudiso jaaka Kgalagadi North, a tlaa sekasekelwa ka potlako. Selo se ke sone sa maloba HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure Mr Speaker. Motlotlegi Brooks a se bua gore mafelo a a senang mafudiso a lebelelwe. Re lebogela gore pego e lemogile MR SPEAKER: You have not raised your hand. gore go ntse go sena mahudiso kwa Kgalagadi North. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke tsholedise rra. Mr Ke nngwe ya kgatelopele e ntle kwa Kgalagadi North. Speaker, are we quorated?

Ke tsena mo Development Budget. Mo Lephateng la MR SPEAKER: Tlaa re tlhole, are we quorated? Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services, madi a tsweletse ka go dirisiwa; go gokelwa metsi …Silence…

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nna ke teng T.K. gore gatwe ke ya go ema only 45 years ke gone ke tlaa tlang ke tsaya madi. Lebelela seo Tona, ba ba batlang go HONOURABLE MEMBER: O batla go re bona T.K. tsamaya ba tsamaye, ba neelwe bonnyennyane gore ba MR SPEAKER: Just hold on, re santse re bala. Re ye go simolola dikgwebo tsa bone. Ke ka fa go ka dirwa emisitse watch ya gago, o se ka wa tshwenyega. Thank ka teng, e tlaabo e le selo se sentle se se ka ba fokotsang. you T.K. for that intervention. Tender ya 100 megawatts solar power plant, e e yang go HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne a batla go dirwa kwa Phikwe le Jwaneng, ke selo se sentle. Bone tlhwaafala. ba ba mo dikgaolong tsa Jwaneng, Sekoma, Mabutsane, Kokong, Keng le Khakhea, ba tlaa bona ditiro. Ke dilo HONOURABLE MEMBER: Thank you Mr Speaker. dingwe tse e leng maitlamo a Puso, a e reng e ya go fokotsa letlhoko la ditiro. Projects tse ke a bona gore HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke motho wa bofelo to di ya go fokotsa letlhoko la ditiro, tswelela fela jalo. intervene. A go dirwe gore ba ikwadise kwa labour, gore ba ba HONOURABLE MEMBER: O tswa kae kante T.K? tsileng pele ke bafe, gore ba tle ba kgone gore botlhe mo kgaolong ba bone ditiro. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke raya gone, o tswa kae? Ke sa ntlha a tla Palamenteng. Pego ya ga Tona Matsheka ke e ema nokeng thata, mme ke kopa gore o lebelele tiriso ya madi a. O e tsenye leitlho HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker, ga ke itse Tona, madi a dirisiwe sentle, ka gore letseno la madi le gore le bala jang. Apologies for go tsena jaana. O ka bo ile kwa tlase. Ke tlaa bua selo se le sengwefela se tota o kopa batho gore ba tsholetse matsogo virtually. ke ka se keng ka tlhoka go se latlhela. Ke tshenyetso- setšhaba, a e kgalemiwe go sa kgalwe mathe. Ka ntlha MR SPEAKER: The Clerk’s table is counting. ya gore letseno la madi le lone le kwa tlase. Se se ka isa Honourable Segokgo, do you want to say something? itsholelo ya rona golo gongwe, mme le Batswana ba ba Clerks ba a bala. kgonang go tsena mo dikgwebong, re ba rotloetse go MR SEGOKGO: Ba bala eng, participants? dira jalo. Le ba ba kgonang go rekisa sweets, bogolo jang bagwebi ba ba botlana, a ba se ka ba fela pelo ka MR SPEAKER: Ba lebeletse your images. I think it is gore bogwebi go simologa go le gonnyennyane, go ye confirmed, we are quorated T.K. Continue Honourable teng. Fela gore motho a kgone go nna le itshetso. Ka a Monnakgotla. le kalo, ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Tona o e tshwere sentle, MS MONNAKGOTLA: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke a leboga. ke bua ka bojanala ke re, a bo lebelelwe thata le kwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke sale ke tsholeditse dikgaolong. Pego e supa gore e ya go lebelela bojanala Mr Speaker. mo ditoropong thata. Le kwa Kgalagadi North, a bo lebelelwe ka gore ke dingwe dilo tse di tsenyang madi MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi Molebatsi, the mo lefatsheng la Botswana. floor is yours.

Fa ke tsena mo kagong ya 19 million litre fuel depot, e e HONOURABLE MEMBER: Pele ga o bitsa yang go dirwa kwa Kgaolong ya Ghanzi, e ya go thusa Honourable Molebatsi Mr Speaker, ke sale ke thata western region mo letlhokong la diesel, petrol tsholeditse Mme Monnakgotla a bua, o bo o… le ditiro. Tona, ke dilo dingwe tse dintle go lebelela MR SPEAKER: …(Inaudible).. ga ke itse. Ga ke western region. a go bona fa o tsholetsa, and there are many of you. Pego e supa go kgaolwa ga badirelapuso, moo gone Honourable P.P.P, what point are you rising on? Tona a go lebelelwe bone badirelapuso bogolo jang ba MR MOATLHODI: Clarification. O tsamaile Mr ba batlang go ya go simolola dikgwebo. Ba letlelelwe Speaker, ke tlaa botsa mang? Tota ke ne ke batla a go ya go simolola dikgwebo, ba santse ba na le maatla. ntlhalosetse, a re ka gore letseno la madi le kwa tlase, a Nna yo ke buang yo, ke ne ke le modirelapuso, ka tshenyetso-setšhaba e kgalemiwe. Jaanong go raya gore tlogela bodirelapuso ke santse ke na le maatla ka ya go fa e le gore le ka nna kwa godimo e tlogelwe fela. Is this dira kgwebo. E rile fa ke tlogela bodirelapuso e bo e le what she means?

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MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa ka gore …(Inaudible)… a re Re ne ra kopana ngogotlola fa re ne re tshwanetse mo tlogele, o setse a feditse, she has retreated. go lebelela Togamaano ya Ditlhabololo ya Setšhaba (National Development Plan) ka fa gare ga yone, re HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… tshwanetse go e sekaseka gore a mme re tsamaya sentle. MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa Honourable Monnakgotla, o Ra bona re tshwanelwa ke go e sekaseka, re tsenele kwa feditse. Honourable Molebatsi, the floor is yours. teng, e bile fa re e sekaseka, ka gore jaanong COVID e ne e tlile, re e kopanye le mogatlana (addendum) gore ka ASSISTANT MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, COVID ke ye e teng, jaanong e re tlhasetse, e re ntsha TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR MOLEBATSI): mo mananeong a rona, re dire jang. Ra dira mo gotweng Mr Speaker, ba ntswetse kana kwano. O a nkutlwa Mr ERTP. Speaker? Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, se ke se MR SPEAKER: Ke a go utlwa thata. lebelelang mo Budget e, sa ntlha ke gore a mme e tsamaelana le se re se dumalaneng fa re dira Mid-Term MR MOLEBATSI: Ehe. Ke ne ke re ke go leboge Mr Review ya NDP 11, gore a mme madi a a dirisetswa tse Speaker, ke go dumedise. Ke dumedise bakaulengwe ba re di dumalaneng le gore gape e tsamaelana le ERTP e ba leng teng, go tswa kwa diphathing tse di farologanyeng. ke reng ke mogatlana wa Mid-Term Review. Ke sone Ke leboge Modimo gore o bo o mpontshitse thabo ya letsatsi leno. Ke leboge botlhe bagarona ba Kgaolo ya sa ntlha se ke se lebelelang. Fa ke ka bona e le gore Mmadinare, ba ba ntlhophileng le ba ba santseng ba jaanong e tla ka di sele, gongwe tse re sa di dumalanang, tshwere ba na le nna malatsi otlhe go bona gore mme ke gone ke ka nnang le mathata le yone. Ka nako yone yone tiro e, ya go ba emela, ke e dira sentle. Ba mpha e, ke kgotsofalela gore e setse morago tsone tse re di dikgakololo ka gore ba teng ba tsweletse ba dira jalo. dumalaneng.

Mr Speaker, go tlhoka go diya nako, ke lebogele go fiwa Gape ke lebelela le gore a Budget yone e, e re isa gone sebaka sa gore le nna ke akgele, ke ntshe la mmotlana kwa go tse re di solofetseng, tse re solofeditseng gore mo Kabong ya Madi ya ngwaga wa 2021/2022. re tlaa di dira kana tse Batswana ba di solofetseng ka Vision 2036. A e tsamaelana kana it supports the policies MR SPEAKER: Order! Honourable Molebatsi, ke and programmes tse re reng re tlaa tsenya Batswana bona Honourable Moswaane a tsholeditse letsogo. Ga gore ba nne le letseno, Batswana ba tswe mo lehumeng ke itse gore a ke le a saleng a le tsholetsa kgantele kana (achieving prosperity for all our people). Re bo re o ntse o tsholeditse. Ke raya ka gore ke gone o buang. lebelela gore a e support policies tse di re isang kwa go MR MOLEBATSI: Ee rra. kabakanyeng itsholelo ya rona le gore itsholelo ya rona e phadisane le mafatshe a mangwe, e nne itsholelo e e MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, o le digile, o ka tswelela. boleng, e bile e le productive. Gape gore a e dira gore MR MOLEBATSI: Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa re nne le itsholelo e e ikemetseng ka dinao, e e kgonang Palamente, ke go leboge ke re, kana kabo e ya madi, gore re phadisane le mafatshefatshe (global economy). e tla go le thata fela mo go rotlhe fela jaaka bangwe re Gape e dira gore Batswana jaanong ba ikemele ka setse re buile gore e tla re le mo mathateng a COVID-19. bonosi, ba se ka ya re ka dinako tsotlhe, a bo e le gore Pele ga COVID-19, re ntse re supa gore tota itsholelo ba ikaegile ka Goromente kana ka tenders. Re bone gore ya rona e mo mathateng, diteemane tsa rona ga di sa jaanong re godisa private sector economy. tlhola di rekiwa, re dira letseno jaaka re ne re tlwaetse. Fa re santse re re re lebile one mabaka ao, re kopantse Mr Speaker, gape e re fa re lebile tsone tse ke di buang ditlhogo re le babusi le bangwe ba ba re gakololang ba tse, re bone gore e tsamaelana le tumalano ya rona e diphathi tse ka bo madimabe ba seng mo Pusong, ga tla re e dirileng ya mafatshefatshe (Stainable Development mmaba, bolwetse jwa COVID-19. Ga dira gore jaanong Goals), targets tse re rileng re tlaa fa Batswana ba seemo se bife le go gaisa. rona education, botsogo le metsi tse di siameng le infrastructure e e tlaa dirang gore fa e le gore ba lemile Go ne ga nna thata Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa kana ba kae, ba kgone gore ba tsamaye. Fa e le gore e Palamente. Ke petso e kgolo, mme ga re a ka ra rwala tsamaelana le tsone tseo, ke yone e re tshwanetseng go mabogo mo tlhogong ra re nnyaa, mme letsatsi leno e opela diatla gore Rre Matsheka ga a ise a tswe mo Modimo o a re otlhaya, o re itaya ka seme se se botlhoko. tseleng.

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Gape ke bo ke lebelela gore a e tsamaelana le Agenda MR SPEAKER: O a e ja, what point are you rising on 2063 ya African Union (AU), e re rileng re batla gore Honourable Manake? Go ka re thusa thata gore re bone Africa re mo tshwaraganye ka papadi le sepolotiki, re gore o ema ka point efe, re tle re bone gore o ka go jela tswe mo dintweng, mme re ntshe lehuma. Fa ke bona nako kana re ka e emisa. e le gore e a re thusa le gone kwa lephateng la rona la Trade, gore le rona re tseye karolo mo agreements tse HONOURABLE MEMBER: O go jela nako motho di tshwanang le bo Africa Continental Free Trade, a re yoo. letlelele e bile a re fe madi gore re dire jalo. Ke tseela MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi, can you go gore mme re ntse re e tshwere sentle gone foo. ahead.

Mma ke riane ke re pele fa ke tsena mo go yone Budget, …Silence… ke tsena mo dintlheng tse ke batlang go tsena mo go tsone, ke supe gape gore a e tsamaelana le se re se MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi, ke ne ke kopa solofeditseng Batswana, re le ba Phathi ya Domkrag. gore o unmute…Go ahead. Kana re rile Motswana mongwe le mongwe o tlaa fiwa …Silence… tshono ya gore a supe bokgoni jwa gagwe, a ke jwa entrepreneurship, arts, tsa go tshameka ball, sepolotiki MR MOLEBATSI: O a nkutlwa Mr Speaker? kana ke eng, re mo fe tshono eo gore a itshupe, a MR SPEAKER: Yes sir, go ahead. itshidise. MR MOLEBATSI: Ke ne ke bua jalo ke re ke alela Ke dumalana le Honourable Mmolotsi, e kile ya re kgang ya me gore selo sa ntlha fela ke gore fa re ka se kgantele a bua mafoko mangwe, gore kana fa lefatshe ke re sale tsone tse re rileng re tlaa di dira, planning, e le tsamaya, mme le sena Puso e e lolameng (good e neng e buiwa ke Honourable Molale, ga re ka ke ra governance), ga le ka ke la ya gope. ya gope.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ba re senang di video re Se sengwe, go simolola ka rona babusi le Batswana fela dira jang Mr Speaker? ka kakaretso, re nne le mo gotweng mind-set change from the leadership perspective… MR MOLEBATSI: Re ka di bua tse, ra di kwala, lefatshe le humile, mme fa le sena good governance, MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi, I can see ga le ka ke la ya gope. Kana good governance e raya matsogo a mabedi a ga Honourable Lemogang Kwape. dilo tse dintsi. Good governance e raya participation Motlotlegi Kwape, o ema ka point efe? ya batho ba lefatshe leo mo Pusong, e raya rule of …Silence… law, gore a molao o a dirisiwa, ga o kgetholole. E raya transparency, Puso e e leng gore mongwe le mongwe o MR SPEAKER: Ke kopa motlotlegi gore fa re go bitsa, a bona gore go diragala eng, e raya institutions gore a o bo o re bolelela gore which point are you standing on, gona le processes…(Interruptions)... so that re bone gore a re ka emisa nako. Fa e le point of order and procedure, re emisa nako. If it is elucidation, MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi, ke bona clarification, or correction... letsogo la ga Honourable Manake. MINISTER OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a mo neela Mr Speaker. AND COOPERATION (DR KWAPE): Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, kana rona ga re kgone go MR SPEAKER: Ga re ise re itse gore o ema ka eng. ntsha video, jaanong we are marking ourselves present. MR MOLEBATSI: Ee, ke mo neela fela. Jaanong fa re tshuba, signal e nna bokoa.

MR SPEAKER: Honourable Manake! MR SPEAKER: Which point are you standing on?

…Silence… HONOURABLE MEMBER: A re, he is marking himself present sir. MR MOLEBATSI: A mme ga a je nako ya me a didimetse jaana Mr Speaker? MR SPEAKER: Honourable Healy, your hand is up.

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MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Thank you Motlotlegi MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leader of the House, re Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. I stand on a dumalana le wena, re dira jalo. We stop the watch and point of procedure. then re bo re utlwa gore o ema ka point efe. Fa e le gore it is procedure, then we stop it completely but if it is MR SPEAKER: Procedure. others, then we continue with the watch ticking. Re dira MR MANGWEGAPE-HEALY: Procedure. Thank jalo sir. you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, re lebelele kgang e MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga. Ke ne ke santse ke bua ya maranyane. Ke lemogile gore go le gantsi fa gore re tshwanetse le rona re fetole ka fa re akanyang Mopalamente a sutela yo mongwe for procedure or ka teng ka gore malatsi ga se a maloba. Gongwe re whatever reason, e kare connectivity gets lost. Jaanong le bogogi, re nne le clear expectations of delivery re leke go e baakanya ka gore gakere o a bo setse o standards. Re itse gore re batla eng mo maphateng le mmiditse, go raya gore nako ya gagwe e simolola go performance e le mo teng. Gape re tseye ditshwetso bala mme ene a sa utlwale. Re e lebe mongwame. Ke gore fa go na le ba ba palelwang, pele fa go ya kgakala, a leboga. go bonwe gore re dira eng, re ba thuse ka tsela e re ka MR SPEAKER: You are correct. Se re ntseng re se ba thusang ka teng. dira, the practice has been fa re ise re go utlwe gore Se sengwe re lwantshe tshenyetso-setšhaba; zero o ema ka point efe, re nama re eme. When you start, tolerance to corruption. Fa tshenyetso-setšhaba e leng the clock then continues to tick fa e le gore ke point of teng, go kgoba batho marapo. Ga go na productivity correction, elucidation or whatever. When it is point of e e nnang teng. Batho ga ba duelwe se. Ga go na ope order and procedure, then we stop the watch completely. yo o batlang go tsenya letsogo rra. Corruption mo Re leka go dira jalo, but your point is noted Honourable lefatsheng la rona e santse e le teng rra. Re a e bona kwa Member. dikhanseleng le parastatals. Golo moo fa go ka se ke go MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi, can you go lwantshiwe, ga re na go ya gope. Re tlaa nna re ntse re ahead. botsa gore tota gatwe mathata a lefatshe le ke eng? Ke eng re na le the plans, re bo re sa kgone go di fitlhelela? MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke re go ne go tshwanelwa ke gore… MR SPEAKER: Honourable Motsamai is standing on something. MR SPEAKER: Honourable, go na le motlotlegi who is on, Leader of the House. MR MOLEBATSI: Hei! Batho ba Modimo!

LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi, mma re utlwe Point of order. Ke gatelela ntlha e e buiwang ke gore Rre Motsamai o eme ka point efe. Honourable Healy. Kana golo fa re dirisa boranyane, we cannot be conventional and do things as we used MR MOTSAMAI: Point of procedure Mr Speaker. to do them. Selo sa ntlha ke gore, for security of the MR SPEAKER: Go ahead Honourable Motsamai. Members’ time, a e re fela motho a supiwa, go emisiwe nako. Fa e le gore ga se procedure, ke gone e tlaa nnang MR MOTSAMAI: Procedure. Mr Speaker, Rre e tswelela, especially fa go na le this teething problem Molebatsi ga ke itse gore a o itheeditse e le Tona, a re ba ya Information Technology (IT). I thank you. eme ka dinao go lwantsha tshenyetso-setšhaba…

MR SPEAKER: Ke dira jalo Vice President (VP), ke MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa! Nnyaa! ntse ke netefatsa gore that is exactly what we do. MR MOTSAMAI: …(Inaudible)… MR TSOGWANE: Nnyaa, se o neng o se bua Mr MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, Honourable Motsamai, Speaker, wa re, o botsa motho gore a re emise nako. O ga se procedure golo moo. Ga se point of procedure. botsa gore a ke point of procedure ene a sa utlwale mme Honourable Molebatsi, go ahead. nako yone e ntse e tsamaya because of these gadgets. Ke ne ke re immediately fa o supa motho, emisa nako. MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga. Motho o a bo a tla Fa e le gore o a utlwala, ke gone o bo o ka simolola. Fa tshamekisa nako fela jaana batho ba Modimo. Ke go e le procedure, e bo a tswelela e eme, fa e se yone, nako leboge Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke a go e bo e tsamaya. Ke sone se ke se buang. Thank you sir. utlwa Rre Motsamai. Se o se buang wa re, e kare ke

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le Tona, ke bo ke bua jalo. Se ke se buang, ke se se nne teng. Re nne le dipilisi le bodiredi jwa dipatela jo teng. Fa go na le tse di sa tsamayeng sentle, ga re ka ke bo emeng malala a laotswe, bo siame, bo bereka sentle. ra di fitlha, ke yone good governance. Re di bone, re Ke bue gore go na le bana ba rona kwa dipateleng ba di tshwaragane le wena gore re tswe ka megopolo. Le ba tshwereng fela sentle. Kwa Mmadinare Primary wena o le Mopalamente, re bone gore re ka dira jang Hospital bolwetse jo rra re a bo lwa. Fa dilo di ka ka tsone. tlhaela, o tlaa bona ba tsentse marapo mo dinameng ba lwa fa ba lwang teng. Motlha mongwe ba gakologelwe Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, mo pegong ya bana ba, ka ke masole a a tshegeditseng lefatshe ka nako madi a ga Rre Matsheka, o buile ka dikgang tse dintsi ya ntwa. Kana baoki le dingaka ba mo ntweng. Dingaka gore re tsenye leitlho fa kae fa re dira budget ya fa re tse di tlamelang balwetse ba rona le fa ba bangwe ka tlhasetswe ke segajaja. O simolotse a bua gore madi a bomadimabe ba tlhokafala kwa Sir Ketumile Teaching mantsi a Recurrent Budget o a isitse kwa thutong. Go Hospital (SKTH), mme le bone re ba akgole fela thata. maleba rra gore o dire jalo. Thuto ka fa e ntseng ka teng, re tlhoka gore economy… Infrastructure le yone ke nngwe ya dilo tse di tsentsweng leitlho thata. A economy ya rona re tswe fa re leng MR SPEAKER: Honourable Leader of the House, I teng, ka gore ga re sa tlhole re na le madi a diteemane, see your hand is up. gongwe fa ditsela di tsentswe fa gare ga masimo a rona, MR MOLEBATSI: …re fetole thuto ya rona. re ka kgona gore re siane, re tswe fa re ye kwa, re itirele, a e tswenngwe leitlho thata. MR TSOGWANE: Thank you Mr Speaker. I am following on your ruling. Ke gakolole whoever is Tsela e tshwana le ya Plaatjan road connecting kwa holding the floor gore when you have ruled gore ga Mathathane, kana go dirilwe bridge, mme ga go na tsela se procedure, a Member ga a tshwanela go tswelela that connects bridge joo. Tsela ya Mmadinare-Tonota a arabisana le ene. That thing has been ruled out of e ke dumelang gore le Honourable Pono Moatlhodi o dumalana le nna gore e ka dira gore go nne le trade procedure. Jaanong le bone ba itse jalo gore once you between matamo a mantsintsi ao. Go a lengwa, re kgone are ruling another Member out of procedure, ga go gore fa re e dirile, e kgaola mosepele gore go se ka ga tlhokafale gore the Member a bo a re nnyaa, jaanong ke nna go iwa kwa A1. Diteraka e kare di tswa kwa South a go araba. I thank you Mr Speaker. Africa di tlola kwa Plaatjan, di ka tsena ka Mmadinare, MR SPEAKER: Ke a leboga thata motlotlegi. Jaanong tsa feta kwa Tonota, tsa fetela kwa Mmandunyane, mme re tsweletse ka workshop. Re ne re ba tsentse workshop ga dira gore gongwe ditsela tsa rona di nne lebaka ka maloba, go raya gore dilo tse dingwe ga di a tsena sentle. gore jaanong go na le mo ka Sekgoa gotweng alternative roads. MR MOLEBATSI: Ee, ke ne ke shaba ka ene fela. Ke go utlwile Honourable Leader of the House. Jaaka re ne Rraetsho, kgang e ke tlaa e kopang, e re saleng re e re dumalane gore a re tsenyeng leitlhong kwa thutong, kopile kwa Mmadinare, e re dumelang gore fa re ka a go dirwe. Projects re di bone di diragala. Those thusiwa, ke infrastructure kwa metseng ya rona. Kana e-learning technologies le digitalisation of dikole di kwa bo Mmadinare, re lebetswe; go thata. Go dinoka, nne teng. A re oketseng classrooms kwa dikgaolong tsa melapo e feta mo Mmadinare, ngwaga le ngwaga re rona. Go se ka ga diragala kwa dikgaolong di sele fela tshwanetse go fitlha. Fa ke ka supa fela, ke dumela re sa bone go diragala kwa go rona. Re batla go bona gore mo lefatsheng la Botswana motse wa Mmadinare dikole; puisanyo ya Motlhasedi… Dikole di tshwana le ke one o o nnileng le dintsho fela tse dintsi thata tsa Kgatladimo jaana, kwa bana santseng ba kgobakana, ga batho ba tsewa ke melapo. Melapo e mme kana e fa gare go na maroko sentle. A go nne fela jalo bagaetsho, re ga motse. Go simolola ka dingwaga; ga ke itse gore ke bone go diragala. ngwaga mang, Kgosi ya rona a tsewa ke molapo, e nna bana ba sekole, e kile ya nna masole a le six, a tsewa ke Ke leboga gape gore o tlisitse madi a mantsi kwa go molapo wa Letlhakane gone mo Mmadinare. Re kopa tsa botsogo. Rraetsho, fa bolwetse bo ntse jaana, fa re gore re direleng infrastructure kwa Mmadinare. Ke ka bo kgona… Gongwe go tlaa tla malwetse a mangwe motse fela o motona, o o re sielang metsi mo Gaborone, a a tshwanang le jo, a wela re sa itse. Go re tsositse o re direla tse tsotlhe. Ao batho ba Modimo! Ditsela fela matlho gore re tsenye madi mo health sector. Dipatela gore segolo re utlweleng botlhoko gore dintsho tse di tsa rona di nne malala a laotswe. Medical equipment e kana di se ka tsa nna dintsintsi mo go kalo.

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Re bone maloba tsela e e golaganyang Selebi Phikwe- operates on the notion of collective responsibility. So, if Serule e tserwe ke noka. Tlhaloganyang gore re mo Honourable Ministers are going to be allowed to stand seemong se se thata, re fa gare ga dinoka. Tobane- in the House and attack Government e ba e eteletseng... Chokwe bridge jwa Molabe, go na le jwa Motloutse; fa o tsena, ga go na bridge, 5 km apart go na le noka e MR SPEAKER: Honourable Keorapetse, o rile point nngwe, mme ga go na bridge, go raya gore bridge jwa... has been noted. Minister has noted your point.

DR GOBOTSWANG: Procedure Mr Speaker. Mr Ke bona Honourable Tsogwane. Honourable Leader of Speaker, jaanong ke a tsietsega, ke tsaya gore le Batswana the House, your hand is up? ba tshwanetse ba tsietsega. Tsamaiso e re e dirisang HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR jaanong, o kare ke e ntšha, ke ya Puso ya ga Rre Masisi. TSOGWANE): Mr Speaker, o tlaa intshwarela. The Ke ipotsa gore a mme go mo tsamaisong gore Matona a point I want to raise, I can take two from what you bo a tla mo Palamenteng ba filwe Puso le mandate gore have just said. Just allow him to continue, I will ask for ba goge lefatshe le, ba bo ba tla mo Palamenteng go lela elucidation. gore mongwe o ba tima ditlhabololo Mr Speaker? MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi, can you go MR SPEAKER: What is out of procedure Honourable ahead. Gobotswang? When a Member of Parliament who happens to be a Minister, requests the Minister MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a ... responsible for roads, a kopa ditsela, what is wrong MR SPEAKER: I see Honourable Kekgonegile’s hand, with that? He is not out of procedure. Can you go it is up. ahead Honourable Molebatsi? There is nothing out of procedure. MR TSOGWANE: Mr Speaker, I thought you heard me, my hand was still up, but for procedure, o ne a MR KEORAPETSE: Procedure. Ke botsa gore a tshwanetse gore a tswelele, ke bo ke kopa elucidation o le Speaker, fa a Cabinet Minister departs from the mo go ene. notion of collective responsibility; the reason why Honourable Molebatsi a ka nna a arabela Honourable MR SPEAKER: Honourable Molebatsi, can you go Segokgo potso, is because ke Cabinet. They operate on ahead? collective responsibility. Jaanong go tla jang gore Tona a emelele mo Palamenteng a bo a tlhasela Goromente yo MR KEORAPETSE: Nnyaa, Honourable Vice President ga se ene a tsamaisang. O supile Honourable e leng gore ke bontlha bongwe jwa one? ‘Re utlweleng Kekgonegile. Vice President ga a tsamaise Palamente. I botlhoko, re neeleng ditlhabololo.’ O raya mang ka gore think that must be... ke ene tota yo ditlhabololo di ka batliwang kwa go ene? Jaanong wena o le Speaker, a ga o na thata ya gore e re MR TSOGWANE: Ke ne ke supilwe rraetsho. O nne o Minister a tswa mo responsibility ya gagwe ya collective reetsa, ke ne ke supilwe. responsibility, o bo o mmusetsa gore nnyaa, you are collectively responsible, the Executive power, that is HONOURABLE MEMBER: Ke ne ke kopile procedure. the power to govern, e mo go President le Cabinet ya gagwe; you are part of the Executive? HONOURABLE MEMBER: Mr Speaker...

MR SPEAKER: Point ya me e fa Honourable MR SPEAKER: Honourable Members, o kare jaanong Keorapetse, is it something that can be said to be out of le tswa mo tseleng. Gakere ke ne ke boetse kwa go procedure, kana you want to correct? He is not out of wena Honourable Molebatsi, ke bo ke re Honourable procedure, gongwe fa e le gore le a mo correct, le ka mo Kekgonegile, and then somebody intervened. Jaanong correct, not to say he is out of procedure. Fa e le gore ke ne ke tsaya gore go raya gore fa a tsholetsa letsogo, o le batla go mo correct, then you should stand on a point tsena ka point e sele. I can still go back to Honourable of correction. Kekgonegile. HONOURABLE MEMBER: He is out of order! MR KEKGONEGILE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke ne MR KEORAPETSE: Mr Speaker, it cannot be ke re o re tsenye mo tseleng gore fa e le gore tsamaiso correction, with the greatest of respect. Cabinet ke gore budget e pele ga e tla mo Palamenteng, e fetile

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ka Cabinet, mme Matona ke a, ba tsweletse ba kopa MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members, projects tsa budget e e fetileng ka bone, they endorsed nako e tšhaile, le e tsere le e kgarameditse. At this it, a mme go mo tsamaisong Mr Speaker? juncture, I am going to call upon the Leader of the House to move a Motion of adjournment. MR SPEAKER: Kana Honourable Kekgonegile, o boelela mafoko a ga Honourable Gobotswang le MOTION Honourable Keorapetse. All these Cabinet Ministers, I have been listening to them, they have actually been ADJOURNMENT debating the same way, and ga le ise le bue. Jaanong LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): ke ipotsa gore gompieno fa le tlhasetse Honourable I thank you Mr Speaker. Ke tlaa kopa gore batlotlegi Molebatsi, la re go reng? Ba ntse ba ikopela projects ba ye go ikhutsa jaanong, ba ye go ikhuletsa Motlotlegi kwa dikgaolong tsa bone, that is why ke re, ke ne ke Molebatsi. Ba tlogele go mo tlhasela jaaka ba mo sa e tseye e le point of procedure, ke ne ke tsaya e le tlhasetse jaana. point fela ya correction. Bo Minister botlhe ba ntse ba ikopela as Members of Parliament. So, I thought there Question put and agreed to. is nothing unprocedural about that. So let me allow The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:05 p.m. until Honourable Molebatsi to go ahead ka debate ya gagwe Thursday 11th February, 2021 at 11:00 a.m. bagaetsho, a ko re mo tlogeleng.

MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke ne ke bua ka infrastructure, ke gatelela gore ...

MR TSOGWANE: Elucidation. Mr Speaker, I want elucidation on the point e e leng gore the Minister is talking to. I elucidate...

MR MOLEBATSI: Nnyaa, ga ke a go neela. Mr Speaker, ga ke a neela Leader of the Opposition. Ke wena o mo neelang mo go nna jaanong?

MR SPEAKER: Ehe, ga o a mo neela? Are you yielding Honourable Molebatsi?

MR MOLEBATSI: Leader of the House, ke a go neela jaanong.

MR TSOGWANE: Thank you Honourable Minister. I just wanted to elucidate on a point that you are raising, e e leng gore it means batho ba bangwe get agitated when you raise it. I want to say you are right in order. There is nothing about collective responsibility fa o bua ka kgaolo. Kana ga o a farologana le sepe, e bile ga o re go kgaolwe project nngwe mo NDP. So, you are just talking like a Member of Parliament. Gape we must be national leaders. Ke ka nna ka bua ka ditlhabololo tsa Selebi Phikwe, ka gore ke itse gore go ntse jaana le jaana, le fa ke se Mopalamente wa Selebi Phikwe. We are national leaders, so ga go senye sepe fela, Matona ba reeditse, budget e fetile ka wena, ga go na molato, batho ba gago ba batla go itse gore se ba se go rometseng kwa Palamenteng, a mme se a utlwala. I thank you.

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