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IN THE MATTER OF THE JOINT REVIEW PANEL ("JOINT PANEL")

ESTABLISHED TO REVIEW THE SITE C CLEAN ENERGY PROJECT

("PROJECT") PROPOSED BY BRITISH COLUMBIA HYDRO

AND POWER AUTHORITY ("BC HYDRO")

CANADA ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AGENCY

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BRITISH COLUMBIA ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OFFICE

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PROCEEDINGS AT HEARING

Topic-Specific Session

(Day 2)

Local and Socio-Economic Environment

January 21, 2014

Volume 26

Pages 1 to 285

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C o p y

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Held at:

Pomeroy Hotel - Scott Pomeroy Ballroom 11308 Alaska Road Fort St. John, British Columbia

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APPEARANCES JOINT REVIEW PANEL: Dr. Harry Swain - Chairman Ms. Jocelyne Beaudet Mr. Jim Mattison

Brian Wallace, Esq. (Legal Counsel)

THE SECRETARIAT:

Courtney Trevis (panel Co-Manager) Brian Murphy (panel Co-Manager)

PARTICIPANTS:

Craig Godsoe, Esq., BC Hydro (Legal Counsel) Peter Feldberg, Esq., BC Hydro (Legal Counsel) Ms. Bridget Gilbride, BC Hydro (Legal Counsel)

REALTIME COURT REPORTING:

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Nancy Nielsen, RPR, CSR(A), RCR Diane Huggins, OCR

AUDIO/SOUND SYSTEM:

AVW-TELAV Audio Visual Solutions

Alex Barbour. Technical Services Representative.

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INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS

DESCRIPTION PAGE NO.

Opening remarks by the Chairman: 7

BC Hydro Panel: 7

Susan Yurkovich. Siobhan Jackson. Alex Izett. Trevor Proverbs. Judy Reynier. D'Arcy Green. Daryl Harrison. Gary Robinson. Steve Nicol. Jeff Lundgren.

Opening remarks by BC Hydro: 9

Presentation by Kwadacha First Nation, 13 by Maya Stano, Legal Counsel:

Presentation by Dr. Charl Badenhorst: 27

Presentation by Penny Gagnon, Fort 47 St. John Child Development Centre:

Ministry of Forestry, Lands and Natural 61 Resources Operations Panel:

Ben Naylor (Legal Counsel). Jennifer Davis. Peter Harrison. . Dr. Kristy Ciruna.

Introduction of the Ministry of Forest, 61 Lands and Natural Resources Operations Panel by Mr. Ben Naylor:

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Presentation by Ms. Jennifer Davies, 63 Ministry of Forestry, Lands and Natural Resources Operations:

BC Hydro Panel: 129

Susan Yurkovich. Siobhan Jackson. Alex Izett. Trevor Proverbs. Judy Reynier. Bettina Sander. Celesa Horvath. Jeff Lundgren. Brent Mossop. Dave Mormorek.

Presentation by Mr. Brian Churchill, 130 Peace Conservation and Endowment Trust:

Presentation by Dr. Kristy Ciruna, 160 Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations:

Presentation by Mr. Neil Thompson, 202 (Atmospheric):

Saulteau First Nations Panel: 229

Jesse McCormick (Legal Counsel). Rick Palmer (via telephone). Alyssa Murdoch (via telephone).

Presentation by Jesse McCormack, Legal 229 Counsel for Saulteau First Nations:

Introduction of the Saulteau First 231 Nations panel, by Mr. Jesse McCormick:

Presentation by Mr. Rick Palmer, 238 Saulteau First Nations:

Continued presentation by Mr. Jesse 243 McCormick, Saulteau First Nations:

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Presentation by Ms. Alyssa Murdoch, 245 Saulteau First Nations:

Continued presentation by Mr. Jesse 248 McCormick, Saulteau First Nations:

Comments by Mr. Brent Mossop, BC Hydro: 252

Closing comments by BC Hydro: 262

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INDEX OF UNDERTAKINGS

DESCRIPTION PAGE NO.

UNDERTAKING 88: To confirm air quality 9 numbers in Volume 2, Appendix L, Table G8

UNDERTAKING 89: Provide link for 84 guidelines for dealing with overlapping tenure holders on the Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations website

UNDERTAKING 90: Provide the source of 115 information for the study within the land and resource management planning boundary for Dawson Creek and how far back that information goes

UNDERTAKING 91: Provide the suite of 183 species and more information about the results and what the species were in the study

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1 Tuesday, January 21st, 2014

2 Fort St. John, British Columbia

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4 Topic-Specific Session:

5 (Day 2)

6 Local and Socio-Economic Environment

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8 (Proceedings commenced at 9:00 a.m.)

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10 Opening remarks by the Chairman:

11 THE CHAIRMAN: Good morning, everybody. And

12 welcome to the final day of the consideration of

13 local and socio-economic topics.

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15 BC Hydro Panel:

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17 Susan Yurkovich.

18 Siobhan Jackson.

19 Alex Izett.

20 Trevor Proverbs.

21 Judy Reynier.

22 D'Arcy Green.

23 Daryl Harrison.

24 Gary Robinson.

25 Steve Nicol.

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1 Jeff Lundgren.

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3 THE CHAIRMAN: I will spare you my usual opening

4 speech in favour of a leftover question on air

5 quality from my colleague, Madam Beaudet.

6 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

7 There was one more question of clarification

8 of verifications, if you want, that I forgot to

9 ask, I think it was yesterday. It's in the EIS,

10 volume 2, Appendix L, air quality technical data

11 report.

12 In table G.8: maximum predicted

13 concentrations of particulate matter with

14 background at schools. The column of particulate

15 matter, 2.5, 24-hour, gives for all the schools a

16 value of 16 microgram per cubic metre.

17 Now, when -- I was wondering why it's like

18 that? Is it a mistake or if chosen a basic

19 quantity, or ...

20 So if you can look at that and come back,

21 please. You may not have your air quality person

22 here.

23 There he is.

24 If there is an answer to that right away,

25 maybe we can just deal with it.

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1 MR. DAVID CHADDER: Good morning. I'm David

2 Chadder from RWDI. I'll have a look at and

3 reconfirm the numbers, but I'm pretty sure they are

4 correct. You'll see likewise amongst the PM10 5 numbers, and also the -- and several averaging

6 periods, the numbers are fairly consistent. So the

7 model is suggesting not much change amongst the

8 receptors, but I will reconfirm those numbers for

9 you.

10 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you very much.

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12 UNDERTAKING 88: To confirm air quality numbers in

13 Volume 2, Appendix L, Table G8

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15 THE CHAIRMAN: And I'd like to turn now to

16 Hydro for their opening remarks.

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18 Opening remarks by BC Hydro:

19 MS. YURKOVICH: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

20 Good morning, panel. My remarks this morning will

21 be brief, as we are carrying on from the local

22 socio-economic topics.

23 I note we have a number of presentations from

24 parties today, and I just would make a few comments

25 about a couple of them.

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1 Today, we will hear from Northern Health. We

2 have had very constructive discussions with

3 Northern Health representatives about what health

4 services BC Hydro should plan to provide directly,

5 such as first-aid and physician care. And which

6 health services are appropriately delivered by

7 Northern Health such as specialized hospital

8 services.

9 We appreciate the leadership of Northern

10 Health in conducting recent and ongoing research

11 into camps from a perspective of both worker and

12 community health.

13 We look forward to working with Northern

14 Health, further incorporating the results of their

15 research and recommendations into our plans and

16 policies as we move forward.

17 We'll also hear from the Fort St. John

18 development centre. We do understand there are

19 existing stresses on social service agencies,

20 particularly, non-profit groups like the Fort St.

21 John development centre.

22 For that reason, BC Hydro has proposed a

23 number of measures to support Social Services,

24 including providing, amongst other things, $100,000

25 each year of construction to support non-profit

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1 organizations in the north and south Peace. These

2 funds will be provided -- will provide resources to

3 be determined by the local non-profit sector to

4 areas of greatest need.

5 We've also committed to provide financial

6 support to emergency and transition housing service

7 providers, and these are outlined in the draft Fort

8 St. John proposal for mitigation.

9 We'll hear from Saulteau First Nation and

10 their fisheries consultants, who were rescheduled

11 from our aquatic session on January 13th.

12 We understand they will present this

13 afternoon on fish and fish habitat. I would note

14 that we met with Saulteau to review the preliminary

15 findings with them in October. Preliminary

16 findings of our effects assessment on fish and fish

17 habitat in October of 2012 prior to filing our EIS.

18 Our fisheries experts are back with us today,

19 and will be available to answer questions. And we

20 look forward to working with Saulteau to continue

21 our discussions around mitigation measures for fish

22 and fish habitat.

23 And, finally, I would just like to respond to

24 a question raised by Madam Beaudet yesterday. You

25 asked about our sustainability reporting and

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1 whether there were indicators for addressing

2 Aboriginal group social issues as part of being a

3 good corporate citizen.

4 We do report on our social performance as

5 part of our annual service plan, and benchmark our

6 performance against the Canadian electricity

7 associations sustainable electricity program.

8 In our service plan, we have a measure of

9 succeeding through relationships, which includes

10 Aboriginal groups.

11 We measure our performance for that through

12 the progressive Aboriginal relations program, which

13 is a program of the Canadian council of Aboriginal

14 business. This program includes a comprehensive

15 independent external verification and measures an

16 organization success in four key areas, including

17 Aboriginal employment, business development,

18 community investment, and community engagement.

19 BC Hydro has an annual target of achieving

20 the gold level of standard, which is an indication

21 of sustained excellence in four areas. We achieved

22 that level in 2012, and we are committed to

23 maintaining it.

24 As well as part of the Canadian electricity

25 association's sustainable electricity program, we

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1 report each year on our sustainability performance,

2 including a social category that includes health

3 and safety, community investment, stakeholder

4 engagement, and Aboriginal Relations. This program

5 measures BC Hydro against other utilities.

6 And, finally, while not a measure, I just

7 would like to tell you about a program -- or a

8 committee that we have recently established. It's

9 a strategic engagement committee consisting of

10 First Nation leaders selected -- self-identified

11 and then selected by a group of Chiefs who will be

12 advising us on building stronger, enduring

13 relationships with First Nations in BC. And we

14 look forward very much to the advice that this new

15 committee will provide us as we move forward.

16 Thank you for the opportunity to make these

17 opening remarks. We look forward to today's

18 discussion.

19 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much.

20 I would now like to call on Kwadacha First

21 Nation.

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23 Presentation by Kwadacha First Nation, by Maya Stano,

24 Legal Counsel:

25 MS. MAYA STANO: Good morning.

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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Good morning, Ms. Stano.

2 MS. MAYA STANO: My name is Maya Stano, and I

3 am here today to speak as legal counsel on behalf

4 of Kwadacha First Nation.

5 Before beginning my presentation, I would

6 like to recognize and thank the Treaty 8 First

7 Nations on whose Traditional Territories we are

8 here today.

9 Now, there are two key points that I will

10 raise with the panel today.

11 First, the cost and availability of goods and

12 services to the Kwadacha community of Fort Ware.

13 And, secondly, the cumulative effects of the

14 proposed Site C project, along with other past,

15 existing, and reasonably foreseeable projects in

16 the Peace region.

17 Now, although I'm here today --

18 THE CHAIRMAN: Could you pull the mic a

19 little closer to you.

20 MS. MAYA STANO: Yes.

21 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you.

22 MS. MAYA STANO: Although I'm here today to

23 speak specifically to concerns for Kwadacha and its

24 members in Fort Ware, similar considerations may

25 also apply to other Peace River -- Peace region

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1 communities located more remotely from the project

2 site.

3 Turning to my first point. Kwadacha is

4 particularly concerned of the effects of Site C on

5 the increased use of regional goods and services,

6 and, in particular, the availability and cost of

7 construction materials, trades, trucking services,

8 community infrastructure, and social services in

9 Fort Ware and the surrounding centres.

10 Kwadacha already struggles with meeting the

11 needs of its stressed housing market and community

12 infrastructure needs in Fort Ware.

13 If the Site C project goes ahead, the long

14 projected construction period, coupled with the

15 current and projected boom of industrial activities

16 across the region, will further impact Kwadacha's

17 ability to meet its members' basic housing,

18 community infrastructure, and service needs with

19 likely and substantial cost increases and supply

20 complications for food and other important supplies

21 and materials to Fort Ware.

22 Today, virtually everything supplied to Fort

23 Ware comes in by truck over gravel road from Prince

24 George and Mackenzie. Now, this adds significant

25 costs to goods, fuel, and materials of every kind.

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1 Already, some companies are not willing to

2 come to Fort Ware at the best of times. Those that

3 do come, have to charge high enough rates to make

4 it worthwhile and to compensate for rough road

5 conditions and the associated damage to their

6 equipment.

7 Now, whether unstable road conditions also

8 compress Fort Ware's building season and can

9 dictate trucking schedules, this makes it

10 particularly critical that Kwadacha finds suppliers

11 that are both willing and able to work within these

12 severe constraints.

13 So it is reasonable to expect that these cost

14 and supply problems to Fort Ware will further

15 exacerbate as companies have the option to pursue

16 larger and more attractive and lucrative

17 opportunities with Site C and other projected

18 projects across the region.

19 In its EIS, BC Hydro has not adequately

20 assessed these potential impacts from the Site C

21 project, either alone or cumulatively with other

22 existing and projected projects. Instead, BC Hydro

23 has focused on the population levels in Fort Ware,

24 and the lack of projected change thereof as a

25 result of the Site C project.

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1 Now, Kwadacha does not suggest that Fort

2 Ware's population will experience significant

3 changes if the project goes ahead. This is not the

4 concern that it has repeatedly raised.

5 Instead, it is the effects of the Site C

6 construction and the cumulative impacts from other

7 projects in the region on the availability and the

8 cost of community infrastructure and services,

9 construction materials, and trades to Fort Ware.

10 Now, Kwadacha notes that, although the

11 spatial boundaries of the LAA used in the Site C

12 EIS include Fort Ware, BC Hydro did not include

13 Fort Ware or other rural communities in its

14 assessment. Instead, the assessment focused on

15 Fort St. John and those communities from which

16 workers would commute to the project site during

17 construction.

18 Similarly, BC Hydro did not consider the

19 drain on goods and services from Prince George and

20 other similar centres in the region to support the

21 construction of Site C, as well as other existing

22 and reasonably foreseeable projects.

23 Now, Kwadacha members secure many of their

24 goods and services from Prince George. And, thus,

25 the impact on the availability of these goods and

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1 services will also have a significant impact on

2 Kwadacha members.

3 BC Hydro does note that training and

4 recruitment of new workers may partly offset labour

5 market imbalances. Kwadacha is, however, concerned

6 that this does not adequately address lag times

7 until those new workers have been adequately

8 trained, or until they have arrived into the

9 region.

10 Now, to more substantially mitigate the

11 likely impacts, Kwadacha recommends that BC Hydro

12 promptly initiate trades and equipment training for

13 its community members.

14 Empowering community members with the

15 necessary skills may help alleviate some -- and I

16 stress "some" -- of the impacts on the availability

17 of services in Fort Ware.

18 Further, in light of the uncertainty of

19 impacts associated with the long-term construction

20 period and the new projects, training opportunities

21 must also be guaranteed over the long-term, through

22 legally-enforceable commitments such as conditions

23 attached to the EA certificate, if it is issued.

24 In addition, training; although, an important

25 aspect, is not enough on its own. Efforts are also

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1 required to ensure that the quantity of general

2 goods and construction materials are adequately

3 maintained in the region such that surrounding

4 communities are not deprived of these essential

5 materials.

6 Notably; although, BC Hydro repeatedly

7 indicates that the bulk of goods and services would

8 not be procured locally, BC Hydro concurrently

9 highlights the millions of dollars that the

10 proposed project would generate for the regional

11 economy and local trades persons and contractors.

12 So these conflicting statements create

13 further uncertainty and jeopardize the credibility

14 of assessments and commitments made in the EIS.

15 I will now turn to my second point, which

16 pertains to the lack of adequate cumulative effects

17 assessment in the EIS.

18 Notably one of the key purposes of CEAA 2012

19 is to encourage the study of the cumulative effects

20 of physical activities on a regional basis.

21 The concerns I've raised today will only be

22 exacerbated by the other existing and reasonably

23 foreseeable physical activities across the Peace

24 region.

25 In addition, as I mentioned at the wildlife

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1 session, a cumulative effects assessment cannot be

2 limited to only existing and reasonably foreseeable

3 projects and physical activities.

4 It must also take into account past

5 activities as contextual evidence to determine the

6 seriousness of the potential impacts on the

7 proposed development that is under consideration.

8 This need is also clearly articulated in CEAA

9 2012 with provisions that speak to physical

10 activities that both have been and will be carried

11 out.

12 Thus, the temporal scope of the EA for the

13 Site C project should have been addressed from the

14 pre-industrial context, which is the only context

15 from which total cumulative effects over time can

16 be reasonably measured. So this means before the

17 Williston Reservoir was created.

18 Unfortunately, the EIS fails to provide an

19 adequate cumulative effects assessment. Instead,

20 it repeatedly concludes that there will be no

21 residual effects, leaving the cumulative effects

22 analysis of important aspects, including the labour

23 market and the regional economy incomplete.

24 Now, clearly, the duration and the size of

25 this proposed project would create significant

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1 impacts to the region. Being a Crown corporation,

2 BC Hydro is well-positioned to consider the

3 cumulative impacts of its proposed project along

4 with those of past, existing, and reasonably

5 anticipated projects in the Peace region.

6 So this leads me to the need for a broader

7 regional planning approach for northern British

8 Columbia.

9 Douglas Eyford, the Special Federal

10 Representative on West Coast Energy Infrastructure

11 recently released his report titled Forging

12 Partnerships; Building Relationships, based on his

13 discussions with numerous First Nations and

14 regional stakeholder representatives across British

15 Columbia and Alberta.

16 In his report, Mr. Eyford acknowledged the BC

17 government's call for Canada to collaborate with it

18 on flexible and innovative approaches to address

19 Aboriginal issues.

20 Concurrently, Mr. Eyford noted that both

21 industry and Aboriginal groups have urged

22 governments to engage in land use planning on a

23 regional basis to identify and manage cumulative

24 effects.

25 Ongoing regional planning processes that

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1 establish desired environmental outcomes and

2 identify environmental thresholds to manage

3 subsequent land use decisions would help achieve

4 these goals in northern British Columbia.

5 It could also help to successfully build

6 prospering long-term relationships, which

7 Mr. Eyford described as requiring a foundation of

8 trust built on constructive dialogue, understanding

9 interests, and commitment to find solutions.

10 In Mr. Eyford's words:

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12 "Shared interests encourage

13 constructive relationships."

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15 In summary, I would like to provide the

16 following recommendations to the panel.

17 First, to address concerns about costs and

18 supply impacts on remote communities from drains on

19 regional goods and services, we recommend that a

20 forum or other mechanism be implemented through a

21 legally-binding agreement between BC Hydro and

22 communities in the Peace region, such as Kwadacha.

23 Such a mechanism would provide that if there

24 was a period during which the community needed to

25 meet a community need, such as building a new

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1 school, and was unable to get reasonable and

2 effective contractors to bid on that project, the

3 community could seek and obtain assistance from

4 BC Hydro, be it financial or other.

5 Now, admittedly, this would appear to be a

6 bit of an unusual request of a project proponent.

7 However, the Site C project, with its long

8 projected construction period and its purpose to

9 supply electricity to numerous projects across the

10 region is ideally situated to deal with persistent

11 and more long-term impacts in the Peace region.

12 Further, as a Crown corporation, BC Hydro is

13 an important public sector organization. The

14 British Columbia policy, which is entitled

15 Government's Expectations For British Columbia

16 Crown Agencies specifically acknowledges the vital

17 role that BC's Crown agencies play in advancing the

18 government's policy priorities and strategic

19 objectives.

20 In addition, on an annual basis, the

21 provincial government publishes a letter of

22 expectation, which provides a formal means of

23 communicating direction and priorities to the

24 boards of Crown agencies, such as BC Hydro.

25 The government's recent letter of

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1 expectations to BC Hydro for 2013 and 2014

2 specifically notes that it is up to the boards and

3 the senior management teams of organizations such

4 as BC Hydro to manage in the best interests of the

5 Province and the Province's citizens.

6 Thus, BC Hydro is ideally situated, and even

7 mandated, to play an active role in ensuring the

8 citizens and communities in the Peace region are

9 adequately protected and supported from adverse

10 impacts associated with the Site C, if approved.

11 Engaging in a mechanism to ensure communities

12 have adequate access to affordable goods and

13 services would be one means of exercising this

14 role.

15 Now, secondly, as mentioned above, Kwadacha

16 recommends that BC Hydro promptly initiate trades

17 and equipment training to its community members.

18 As stated, empowering community members with

19 the necessary skills may help alleviate some of the

20 impacts on the availability of services in Fort

21 Ware, whose availability and cost would be very

22 likely impacted by the proposed Site C project.

23 And, finally, there is clearly a need for

24 broader regional planning for northern British

25 Columbia.

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1 Although this must be government driven, it

2 needs to include proponents of projects in the

3 region, such as BC Hydro, and must provide First

4 Nations with meaningful roles in shared

5 decision-making over the future use of their

6 traditional territories.

7 We request the panel consider making the

8 recommendation to both the federal and provincial

9 levels of government regardless of the

10 recommendation on the Site C project.

11 With the boom of activity across the Peace

12 region, further delay on this matter is not an

13 option. Action was required yesterday, and it is

14 imperative today.

15 In summary, these recommendations are

16 consistent with the approach that Kwadacha has

17 adopted throughout its participation in this

18 regulatory process.

19 Kwadacha does not wish to be prescriptive,

20 but is willing to sit down with BC Hydro,

21 government representatives, other First Nations,

22 and more general stakeholders to further discuss

23 the project and plans for going forward should the

24 project be approved.

25 Thank you very much.

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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much.

2 Are there questions from the floor?

3 Then thank you very much, Ms. Stano.

4 MS. MAYA STANO: Thank you.

5 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Feldberg.

6 MR. PETER FELDBERG: Mr. Chair, I believe that

7 Mr. Chadder can answer the question now that Madam

8 Beaudet asked, so maybe while the next presenter is

9 coming up, he could do that.

10 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. While, Dr. Charl

11 Badenhorst is coming up, could we hear that

12 response?

13 MR. DAVID CHADDER: Thank you.

14 The results of the PM2.5 modelling in Table G8 15 are the sum of the maximum model concentrations

16 presented in Table G7, and the numbers are very

17 close to one microgram per cubic metre.

18 If you look at Table 3.3.5, that's where we

19 summarize the ambient background concentrations of

20 PM2.5. And for that averaging period, the 21 background value is 15. The modelling is estimated

22 at a contribution of 1 from the project. So the

23 sum of the two is close to 16 all the time.

24 There is some rounding in there amongst the

25 numbers, but the ambient background of 15 accounts

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1 for most of the total of sums to 16 all the time.

2 So the numbers are correct as presented.

3 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you.

4 What prompted this question is that it's only

5 for the schools. We don't have I believe something

6 similar for childcare facilities or hospitals. You

7 have for -- okay, you have for childcare

8 facilities.

9 The table you're referring is in the EIS

10 proper text, not in the appendices; is that what

11 you're saying?

12 MR. DAVID CHADDER: All of the tables I just

13 mentioned are in our technical report, in L.

14 MS. BEAUDET: Okay. I usually look at the

15 appendicis more than the EIS proper.

16 Thank you very much.

17 MR. DAVID CHADDER: You're welcome.

18 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you.

19 And welcome Dr. Badenhorst.

20

21 Presentation by Dr. Charl Badenhorst:

22 DR. CHARL BADENHORST: Good morning to the panel and

23 everybody present. And thank you for the

24 opportunity to present some outcomes of a very

25 special workshop that was presented and conducted a

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1 few months -- a few weeks ago in October last year

2 organized by all the medical officers of BC as part

3 of the health offices council and in collaboration

4 with Northern Health.

5 I'm wearing various hats. I'm also a

6 practising physician in this community. I'm a

7 public health physician, and I'm sitting on the BC

8 medical association board, as well as the board of

9 North Peace division of family practice, and also

10 the public health Association of BC.

11 So I'm hoping to bring some perspective on

12 what we understand the socio-economical impacts are

13 from a public health point of view.

14 And to be clearly recognized, the boom and

15 bust cycles have a significant impact on

16 communities, and we have to recognize that.

17 I just want to ask the panel a few questions.

18 Number one is: how many reps do we have

19 around here from the northeast? I just want to see

20 to help myself.

21 Anyone in the northeast?

22 Does anyone know how many oil and gas wells

23 we have in the northeast? And will be drilled in

24 the northeast?

25 What is the child poverty rate in BC?

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1 Is this project about revenue, or is it about

2 what is the right thing to do?

3 Is this a quick fix?

4 And, as a member of this panel, what is your

5 understanding of the socio-economical impact of

6 this intervention on the local community?

7 And how will this consequences of this

8 project influence health budget in the next to five

9 to ten years.

10 As a medical officer in BC, we are appointed

11 under the order of council in BC under the

12 government, and, actually, are an extension of the

13 Minister of Health. So our roles and

14 responsibilities are depicted in the public Health

15 Act. And, particularly, Section 3 of this Act

16 cites that even if a medical officer is concerned

17 about any health impact or health concern, it may

18 request the Minister of Health to develop a health

19 plan.

20 And with this in mind, I just want to bring

21 to your attention that from a public health point

22 of view, it would be recognized, as public health

23 physicians, that policies may significantly impact

24 community health.

25 It may be also a health hazard, and may also

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1 pose health risks to people.

2 And as I've mentioned, the child poverty rate

3 in BC is 20 percent and more; although, we say that

4 BC is one of the best places in the world to live.

5 In BC, the revenue from the northeast plays a

6 significant role from this area. But, as a public

7 health physician, when I looked at the health

8 indicators when I came to this region about eight

9 years ago, I was really concerned about looking at

10 the health status. And this data that came from

11 the Stats Canada community health surveys, they do

12 every second year, and if you look at these health

13 indicators, we win most of the prizes for poor

14 health.

15 THE CHAIRMAN: Dr. Badenhorst, can I get you

16 to bring the mic a little closer. Thank you.

17 DR. CHARL BADENHORST: Sure. Thank you.

18 Now, for me, it was a conflicting thing

19 because on the one side, I hear -- and if you look

20 around you, you see a lot of health -- wealth. And

21 you see the vehicles people use, the toys they buy,

22 and so on. Then you don't think about poverty.

23 But if you look at the health indicators, it

24 clearly doesn't jive with that impression.

25 If we look at the unemployment rate in this

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1 area, it's less than 4 percent. So -- and the

2 past, they said if you can pass a pee test and you

3 can have a driver's licence, you could get a job.

4 Today, they say if you can breathe over a meadow

5 and you can make fog, that means you can get a job.

6 So we call it the fog test.

7 But that means that if you want to work, you

8 can work.

9 So people from all over the country who've

10 got hope will come to this region for work.

11 And as a physician -- and I'm also involved

12 with addiction services in community; I'm running a

13 methadone clinic in this region, you see the

14 problems that come to this community by means of

15 this route.

16 So why do we have this paradox then?

17 Firstly, I thought, well, I was very smart to

18 figure out, though, I understand what's going on,

19 until someone said to me, no, you have to go back

20 in the literature and see, in the 1800s, this was

21 very well described; that boom and bust cycles in

22 New York and other northern part of the countries,

23 and the States, showed these cycles very clearly

24 and what they mean.

25 And, also, if you look in the old gold rush

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1 history, there's not much difference between the

2 economic rush today and the gold rush. And the

3 question is: did we really learn from the past?

4 So Henry George was a journalist and wrote up

5 all these cycles, and what it means to communities,

6 with a clear understanding of is it really

7 necessary? It can be addressed and it can be

8 mitigated and we could optimize the resource

9 development in the same time.

10 There's things we can do and there's things

11 we can't change.

12 If we look at the policies from the BC

13 government industry regulatory bodies, local

14 authorities, health authorities, the BC medical

15 association, the Canadian medical association, the

16 division of family practice, they all have one word

17 in common. It's about community.

18 If the well-being of the community is so

19 important, so why is it so difficult, then, for

20 key-role players to work together to form

21 partnerships and respect communities as you heard

22 from the previous presenter? To plan and prepare

23 for communities for what is coming.

24 I went on a road show, and I talked to all

25 the Mayors in the different towns in the area, and

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1 their story was very clear. And part of our health

2 offices council workshop is -- I made a joke one

3 day, and I said, "But there's no airport in Fort

4 St. John; he has to fly into Prince George and then

5 take a bus to Fort St. John", and then actually it

6 became a story, and we made this Northern Health

7 trip with all the medical offices and other people.

8 And we actually -- the Mayors from the region, each

9 stop along the road, we picked them up and they

10 tell their story. And then we took -- picked up

11 the next guy and so on.

12 So it forced people to sit on the bus, to

13 listen to people in the community, and to

14 understand what is really going on.

15 So to plan and prepare for communities, the

16 one way to do it is really to understand what is a

17 socio-economical impact?

18 We use these words very widely, and sometimes

19 irresponsibly, the same with environmental impacts,

20 and even with health impact studies.

21 Health impact is very complex. Environmental

22 is very complex, and socio-economic or economic

23 tools, we don't really have a formal tool in BC

24 that we can really use for most industries.

25 How do we ask citizens for their

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1 perspectives? If you ask them, they will probably

2 give you most of the answers.

3 How do we ask industry for what they need in

4 order to do their job in the community?

5 Well, I did that. I talked to bigger

6 industries, and I learned a lot from them, their

7 frustrations, because on the one side, as they want

8 to develop, and the other side, there's not

9 supportive infrastructure for them. How do you ask

10 local governments what they need? And how do we

11 ask healthcare providers what they need?

12 Most of the time, communities involvement is

13 about window-dressing, and sometimes let's take

14 what we can and get out of there.

15 Can these cycles be better managed?

16 Yes. We have basic project management tools.

17 It's been done in big industries, so why can't you

18 do it in the community?

19 And the boom and bust cycles are economic

20 laws. Like, what's happening now with oil and gas

21 drilling; we have new technology now, so everybody

22 is on the bus to develop as fast as they can, now

23 we build pipelines. Now that pipelines has got

24 more capacity, now we have to have -- add more

25 wells. And now we produce more gas, and -- so on

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1 -- and then they got competitiveness and the

2 industry becomes so competitive that it becomes

3 sometimes not lucrative.

4 And if you laid down people, if the price

5 drops a few dollars [indiscernible] centre, then

6 people are in trouble and a lot of people lose

7 money. And it's usually the unskilled people that

8 pay the price.

9 If you look at what the boom cycle really

10 means from a political point of view in this --

11 from a political point of view is they win

12 elections on this, they promote job creations,

13 stimulate economy. This leads to migration of

14 people and money to a community. This includes

15 revenue for the province. We've just been used for

16 a lot of industries to get involved in the

17 communities as the carrot.

18 Income in the region. There's some money

19 coming back to the region like BC fair share. Who

20 makes the real money?

21 It's not always the local people that's

22 making the money, it's usually -- it creates

23 poverty in many aspects, which I will show it to

24 you later on. And this creates a battle between

25 the old-timers and the newcomers.

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1 The bust phase is also, as I mentioned, part

2 of the economic laws. We overproduce and prices

3 drop and then people get laid off and they invested

4 in their equipment and so on.

5 The loss of jobs, people move out, they left

6 them in debt, family crisis, single parenthood,

7 substance use, alcohol use, and my list can go on.

8 So this leaves the community usually in a

9 socio-economical health dilemma and a crisis.

10 At-migration of people and money have

11 significant impacts of industry, and like -- if a

12 city council developed land, they have to take

13 loans, and suddenly people leave, the prices might

14 drop and plunge and keep -- and increase the

15 poverty rates.

16 And one of the biggest problems we see is

17 young people leave school very early because they

18 can make much more money than their moms and dads,

19 and they leave school in Grade 10, 11, 12. And

20 when the prices drop after four, five years, or

21 their health get impacted, or they make too much

22 money and they don't know how to use this money

23 wisely, they get in trouble with the law, they lose

24 their driver's licence, they get criminal records

25 for substance use and alcohol use. So that group

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1 of our young people get into trouble. And when

2 they get laid off, they don't have education.

3 So without planning, the quick buck we intend

4 to make out of resource development does sometimes

5 outweigh the socio-economical disasters it created.

6 It's like a credit card's philosophy: it's nice to

7 buy, but you pay back an interest later.

8 Unplanned community development will cost the

9 government probably more at the end from a

10 socio-economical point of view.

11 For instance, if you look at the one case of

12 Hep C or the one case of HIV or a single parenthood

13 and so on costs lots of money.

14 So if we just look quickly in -- at northern

15 health and the health indicators, despite the thing

16 is economic growth.

17 A lot of money is invested in this community.

18 We have a low unemployment rate, and significant

19 projects coming into this region.

20 So this project will actually just add up to

21 the activities in this community.

22 Now, if you look at the population profile,

23 in yellow, you look at northern health regions for

24 First Nations. The yellow line means that on the

25 one side you have more young people in the younger

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1 age group. And the blue line is northern

2 residents. If you look on the right side of the

3 graph, we follow more or less that of BC, but we

4 drop down at the end, so we have less older people

5 in the community. And we have more younger people

6 in the community compared to the rest of BC.

7 If you look at Fort St. John, specifically,

8 we have record birth rates. For the first time, we

9 are to create a prenatal clinic because it couldn't

10 accommodate the number of births and the loss of

11 physicians in the community. We have a record low

12 of physicians in the community because of policy

13 change of recruitment by the colleges that makes it

14 very difficult for people to recruit physicians.

15 Like in Hudson's Hope, we had a long time

16 that we didn't have a physician in that area. And

17 the government throw money out to physicians to

18 attach patients to the clinics. Although, we are

19 already working very hard, now you have to take

20 more patients on. Now, what's the balance between

21 good health care and taking on more patients? We

22 have more working clinic hours than ever before.

23 So this spill over to the ERs, where people

24 seen in the ER and put a lot of pressure on the

25 staff there; we had to deal with very difficult

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1 things, and don't have the time to do that

2 properly.

3 If you look at these figures, the blue is for

4 the northeast: northern interior and northwest.

5 And the red line is that for the average for BC.

6 The percentage of youth receiving employment

7 insurance. Does that tell a story? Does this

8 reflect employable, but not working people because

9 they work for three, four weeks, make enough money,

10 and sit at home and do something else, get in

11 trouble?

12 Lots of injuries, driver's licence suspended,

13 elicit drug use, and so on.

14 If you look at the motor vehicle accident

15 hospitalization rate per thousand; again, the blue

16 line is our areas. With the northeast very high

17 compared to the rest of the BC and Vancouver areas.

18 Total serious crime. Look at the blue lines

19 again. We win all the prizes there.

20 If you look at the percent of 18-year-olds

21 who did not graduate. That reflects what I've said

22 before, we lose a lot of people to the industry at

23 a very early age.

24 Alcohol sales also very high compared to the

25 rest of BC. So with this in mind, then, let's look

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1 at specific health issues.

2 Now, this shows the standardized mortality

3 ratio. That means death rates due to different

4 causes, motor vehicle crashes sky high.

5 And then for all those on the left side:

6 suicide falls, digestive system, chronic diseases

7 and all that list, we are over the average compared

8 to BC. So overall, we have a sicker population

9 compared to the rest of BC.

10 Potential years of life lost. The north are

11 the highest compared to BC and other areas in BC.

12 Motor vehicle crashes due to deaths due to

13 crashes. Look at our figures in the north: sky

14 high.

15 Deaths attributable to alcohol in northern

16 BC, it's also very high; although, it's coming

17 down, but this is only numbers, it's not the rate,

18 so it's very difficult to interpret this data.

19 Hospitalisation due to elicit drug use. If

20 you look at over the years, from 2002 to 2008,

21 significant increases. And this year, because of

22 illegal Fentanyl that came into the market from

23 other countries, we have record deaths in the past

24 three years in these regions because of overdose.

25 If you look the reports from the RCMP, that

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1 clearly state that, from the police chief,

2 "gastrolyne causing increase in crime locality".

3 If you look -- work in the walk-in clinics and

4 addiction clinics, you see that very clearly.

5 So this panel must ask themselves today do we

6 really care for those 300,000 people living in the

7 north? Or do we care more about what we can take

8 from them?

9 Will our interventions add to the health care

10 concerns, or will it make a difference?

11 How do we work with the BC medical officers

12 to develop policies and regulations to help plan

13 better in communities, to prepare communities

14 better for what's coming?

15 Accept that citizens and minority groups have

16 a democratic right to determine how the communities

17 will be used or abused.

18 How new projects may affect their health.

19 Unfold our health -- how do we unfold our

20 communities rather than how do we mold them into

21 something they don't want to be?

22 Prepare our communities better for economic

23 boom and bust cycles.

24 Leave something behind for the community. So

25 once your dam is done, what do you leave behind?

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1 How many of the people is going to work here,

2 live here, or going to fly in? When the VIPs and

3 executives fly in for a meeting and go out, how do

4 they understand the dynamics of that community?

5 And then realize that economic growth may

6 pose one of our biggest public health challenges.

7 And that came from Dr. -- the chief medical officer

8 from the north, Dr. David Bowering.

9 And today's exercise, I said with all

10 respect, is it just a window-dressing? Or do we

11 really understand the impact of this in the

12 community? Long-term effects? How do we consult

13 with communities? How do we develop plans to make

14 it sustainable, to make the life for the people who

15 live here, before the dam and before any other

16 project, that's an impact them forever?

17 And with this in mind, I say thank you very

18 much for the opportunity to present this to you.

19 Thank you.

20 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much,

21 Dr. Badenhorst. Those are pretty shocking numbers.

22 Madam Beaudet.

23 MS. BEAUDET: The motor vehicle crash

24 that's for the north is very high. I was wondering

25 if you have any data for Fort St. John?

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1 DR. CHARL BADENHORST: It's always difficult to

2 break it down by smaller areas, but I think, with

3 some effort, it can be done. But I suppose -- if

4 you look at the Trans Alaska Highway, it's just

5 impacted with high vehicles. If you drive, and you

6 just count the number of big trucks on the road

7 compared to normal small trucks or small vehicles,

8 it's impressive.

9 If they closed this road for an hour, I

10 wonder what the back-up will be in an hour's time.

11 So this is difficult to say, but it reflects

12 some of the problems we have, but I think there's a

13 lot of safety also in place, to make sure driver's

14 rest a lot, and there's a lot of work done.

15 But the big truck -- the drivers -- the truck

16 drivers have, it's a problem of his own. It

17 creates, from a men's health point of view, a big

18 concern because people don't exercise, they eat the

19 wrong foods, they become overweight, they have

20 sleep problems, and that causes crashes.

21 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you.

22 THE CHAIRMAN: One of the earlier slides

23 showed that this is a younger population than the

24 rest of BC. If you normalized the statistics for

25 age and education, would the picture for BC -- I

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1 think it would still be fairly grim in northeast

2 BC, but possibly not quite so much so.

3 DR. CHARL BADENHORST: I think that it improved a

4 bit. I've talked to some of the school board

5 members in the past. It didn't improve a lot.

6 But, again, this explained to us that there's

7 a -- so if people, young people, get lost to

8 school -- from schools to communities, then same

9 with public health; why don't we take the services

10 to the camps? Why don't we take the services to

11 school services or school educations or internet

12 education or other means, to give people the

13 opportunity to get the education off -- on the

14 website? Why can't we do that? We can have mobile

15 clinics, there's many ways to do that.

16 So your question is clear. It can be

17 addressed. And people don't do well -- there's a

18 lot of slides I didn't show in terms of

19 mathematical skills and learning abilities; we have

20 low performance rates compared to BC.

21 THE CHAIRMAN: Are there questions from the

22 floor for Dr. Badenhorst?

23 Or comments from Hydro?

24 MS. SIOBHAN JACKSON: Yes.

25 Thank you, Dr. Badenhorst.

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1 We definitely look forward. And we already

2 have sought the advice of Northern Health, and one

3 of our team attended the workshop that

4 Dr. Badenhorst is talking about.

5 And in our EIS, it may look like just one

6 line, but we have also focussed on making available

7 -- or, sorry, having Northern Health's programs

8 that are relevant to the health indicators of our

9 workforce be provided to our workforce at the camp.

10 And that was at the advice of Northern Health, and,

11 in particular, the programs that are focused on a

12 young and male population. And I think that that

13 will be a great partnership, and provide a good

14 opportunity to deliver to the workforce, those

15 programs.

16 THE CHAIRMAN: These are very deep problems.

17 And, I must say, your panel is a long way from

18 having solutions for them; you've thought about

19 them much more than we have.

20 I'm encouraged by the fact that you're

21 talking pretty closely with Hydro about specific

22 concrete things that might be done in the present

23 circumstances.

24 DR. CHARL BADENHORST: Thank you. And I think it's

25 important because this will be one project, but

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1 there's lots of other projects going on in the

2 community.

3 What forum are we going the use to work

4 together and plan together and pool forces because

5 there's a lot of goodwill from all industries. And

6 I -- there's not a blame game to play because I

7 went out and I talked to them. And I think we need

8 the forum where all the industries work together

9 and join forces with the city council and the

10 health professionals and say how can we make it

11 better?

12 Like, if we have an apartment block, and we

13 have cheap accommodation for healthcare providers,

14 for other people who want to come in. Young

15 people, we need creches where people -- young

16 couples people come in.

17 If you look at this, they pay $1,000 a day --

18 a month for one kid in a creche, or a daycare. Why

19 can't we have that services to them on a cheaper

20 way of doing that? If people live like that, they

21 will be happy, and they will stay.

22 So we spend a lot of money recruiting health

23 care professionals, but they leave because it's

24 expensive to live here.

25 If you look at the taxes for this year, we

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1 have the highest tax per property, I think, in the

2 whole BC. So for a young couple to come in here,

3 it's almost impossible to get a place to stay and

4 to start a living.

5 So if we make it easier for them to get their

6 roots in the community, they will stay. People

7 don't leave because of money; they leave because

8 they are unhappy.

9 THE CHAIRMAN: Dr. Badenhorst, I'm struck by

10 the crosswalk between your message about let's

11 think and plan and engage in some foresight and the

12 comments made by the previous witness, Ms. Stano.

13 I'm also struck by the reference to Henry

14 George, and the notion that we are all prisoners of

15 dead economists.

16 Thank you very much.

17 DR. CHARL BADENHORST: That's true, yeah. Thank

18 you.

19 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you.

20 Is Penny Gagnon in the room?

21 Ms. Gagnon, would you be willing to do your

22 presentation now rather than -- thank you.

23

24 Presentation by Penny Gagnon, Fort St. John Child

25 Development Centre:

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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Welcome, Ms. Gagnon. I had a

2 feeling that what you were going to tell us about

3 might relate to what Dr. Badenhorst just said.

4 MS. PENNY GAGNON: Yeah. I was going to say

5 it's a great privilege to actually follow

6 Dr. Badenhorst. I had the privilege to work with

7 him for a short period of time before I left

8 Northern Health and went to the child development

9 centre seven years ago. So he really does set the

10 stage for what is happening in north-eastern BC

11 and, particularly, in Fort St. John.

12 I'm originally from Prince George, and I

13 moved here eight years ago. And I have to say that

14 Fort St. John has been an amazing community to live

15 in. It cares about its people. And people

16 generally stand together for what we believe in.

17 And I've really become entrenched in this community

18 partly because of the work that I do with children

19 and families, but partly because Fort St. John

20 really welcomes newcomers and I -- you know, just

21 listening to Dr. Badenhorst talk about the health

22 determinants of this area, it really does sort of

23 link with what I have to say today about the

24 children and families that we serve.

25 So we are a non-profit organization in Fort

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1 St. John. We are one of the larger, maybe the

2 largest, non-profit organization next to North

3 Peace community resources. We have been in this

4 community for 40 years. We're celebrating our 40th

5 anniversary this year. And we are governed by a

6 board of directors, who are very well-established

7 in our community.

8 We are very, very embedded in Fort St. John.

9 We have excellent partnerships with industry. We

10 have very well-established partnerships with

11 individuals, small businesses. We do two big

12 charity events every year that raise quite a

13 substantial amount of fundraised dollars.

14 We recently did an expanded project on our

15 building. We operate under about 20,000

16 square feet, and we're actually starting to burst

17 at the seams.

18 Our expanded project that we call Project

19 Build a Fort was completed about four years ago,

20 and we are now in a situation where we're starting

21 to look for more space.

22 We have a golf tournament that brings in lots

23 of fun, and we also have a talent show coming up in

24 March.

25 We really focus on inclusion in our

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1 community. We want all children and their families

2 to flourish at their most highest capacity. And we

3 work very, very hard to provide a service that not

4 only works with the individual child, but works

5 with the family, as a whole.

6 We know that families are the best advocates

7 for their kids. And we know that at the end of the

8 day, they move on from our services, and we want

9 them to make experts in the health of their own

10 children.

11 So John Lennon says:

12

13 "You may say I'm a dreamer,

14 but I'm not the only one.

15 I hope some day you'll join

16 us, and the world will live as

17 one."

18

19 So it speaks to the notion that we all need

20 to be working together for the betterment of our

21 community.

22 We offer a number of services; particularly,

23 our main focus is early intervention and paediatric

24 rehabilitation for kids 0 to 5.

25 We focus on early childhood development.

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1 We've been sort of switching gears a little bit,

2 and really taking a -- sort of a more well-rounded

3 approach, looking at parent caregiver attachment

4 and child and youth mental health.

5 We offer preschool to 240 kids in our

6 community. We do infant development, life skills,

7 respite, and services for children with autism.

8 I'm just going to show you a couple of

9 numbers.

10 So when I started at the child development

11 centre seven years ago, I think we were sitting

12 around serving about 450 children annually. In

13 2009/2010, we served 694 unique clients; meaning,

14 children. So from -- when you're working with a

15 child, usually you have a sibling, you have a mom

16 and a dad or a grandma or a caregiver. So when you

17 have a unique client, there's typically about two

18 or three other people wrapped around that child.

19 In 2012 and 2013, we served over 1,200 unique

20 clients. So we are a very, very busy centre. And

21 Dr. Badenhorst spoke to the birth rate in Fort St.

22 John. We can talk about numbers, but, you know, I

23 invite you all to spend a day in our centre and

24 watch. There's probably about 160 kids every day

25 that come through our centre. So these are just

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1 some historical comparisons.

2 In March 2013, in our infant development

3 program, we had a caseload of 255. Two years ago,

4 that caseload was only 125. I'm not going to go

5 through them specifically, but you can just kind of

6 see that our number of clients accessing our centre

7 is on the rise.

8 We have not seen an increase in our staffing

9 levels of any sort of, you know, big sort of jump

10 in the whole seven years that I've been there.

11 We've seen little leaps of having, you know, .8 FTE

12 increased to a -- you know, a full-time FTE,

13 but ...

14 You know, we also struggle with the

15 recruitment and retention of qualified

16 professionals, as they do in the sort of acute

17 health care system.

18 And if you look at the numbers of the unique

19 clients that are accessing our centre, without, you

20 know, proper growth in terms of our staff, that

21 does impact, you know, what our waitlists look

22 like.

23 So if you just go over across and compare it,

24 you know IDP in -- two years ago, we -- at the end

25 of the year, in March, we had 19 children on our

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1 waitlist. In March of last year, we had 162.

2 So those numbers are very disturbing, you

3 know, and -- and, like I said, numbers are numbers,

4 but, you know, when you come into our centre, and,

5 you know, we're sitting around every Wednesday

6 morning at a team meeting, and, you know, I see the

7 grave faces on the clinicians and the therapists

8 and consultants that work directly with these

9 children and families, and we have, you know, 50

10 new referrals that we've just received in a week,

11 children being referred with no feet, children

12 being referred -- haven't even left the hospital

13 yet because they have been born at 33 or 32 weeks,

14 have, you know, rare syndromes that we haven't

15 even, you know, ever heard of before, and, you

16 know, we're all looking at each other, and I have

17 to remind them, you know, we're not an acute

18 centre. But there's a lot of pressure put on our

19 staff at the child development centre because there

20 is no paediatrician --

21 Slow down? Okay.

22 There is no paediatrician in this community;

23 although, we have the highest birth rate.

24 Just a couple of images of some of the

25 children that we work with.

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1 Again, some more historical comparisons:

2 March 2011: 771. March 31st, 2013: 1,208. So you

3 can see that the pressures on our centre continue

4 to rise; they are not changing, if you look at sort

5 of the graph over a period of time. Again, new

6 referrals increasing every year.

7 So I just wanted to point to a couple of

8 general concerns that I have. You know, when I

9 listen to Dr. Badenhorst speak today, it -- you

10 know, definitely we don't want to sort of --

11 everybody repeat what we have to say, but the

12 information that he provided is -- really needs to

13 be considered in the context of this community.

14 And I'm really hoping that BC Hydro can sit

15 down with the non-profit organizations because --

16 you know, although, we've had some general

17 conversations; we've had -- you know, I've met with

18 BC Hydro staff, and we've -- you know, they know

19 about our services, but we really have not sat down

20 and just really hashed out what our -- the real

21 short- and long-term impacts of Site C on all of

22 the non-profits in Fort St. John, not just the

23 child development centre.

24 The concern for daycare is always a concern.

25 However, there has been some recent changes in Fort

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1 St. John. We've had a couple of expanded services;

2 a new private daycare opened, so we're really

3 excited about that. It is still a concern. I'm

4 just wondering if it's still the most important

5 concern -- or the primary concern.

6 Accessible, affordable daycare definitely is

7 something that needs to be examined.

8 And, although, I've been provided with some

9 stats from BC Hydro in terms of what the number of

10 children will be at the height of the project, I

11 just -- it's really hard for me to fathom or agree

12 that it will only bring, you know, around that 40

13 new additional children to our community under the

14 age of 5.

15 I'm no scientist; I'm no statistician, but

16 I've been in this community long enough to know

17 that big projects bring a lot of people and a lot

18 of families. And I think what happens is there's

19 this idea that people will come and stay in camps.

20 They come to this community; they realize how great

21 it is, and they bring their families.

22 I only have two -- actually, if I can just

23 speak to a couple more things around the general

24 concerns.

25 The accessibility of our service for, you

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1 know, any new workers -- you know, if I can be so

2 blunt to say that, unfortunately, new families

3 coming to Fort St. John, you know, needing our

4 services, unless their children are very, very

5 complex, and they hit a prioritization for our

6 services that is extremely high, they will sit on a

7 wait list. They will not have access to service.

8 That's how stretched we are right now.

9 When I left the office yesterday, I just did

10 a quick poll of where our waitlists were, and we

11 have about 300 kids sitting on our waitlists right

12 now.

13 Sorry.

14 So my two recommendations are that I would

15 like a formal discussion from BC Hydro to assist

16 with the mitigation of short- and long-term impacts

17 of Site C project; particularly, on our

18 organization and children and their families that

19 access our services.

20 I would also like, after that conversation or

21 several conversation happens, some type of formal

22 agreement made with the child development centre

23 about the state of affairs, and what things will

24 look like at the end of the day.

25 And so that's my --

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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much.

2 It sure looks like you've got your hands

3 full.

4 MS. PENNY GAGNON: M'mm-hmm.

5 THE CHAIRMAN: Rather than waiting until the

6 end of the day, I wonder if Hydro has any comment

7 on that right now?

8 MS. SUSAN YURKOVICH: Thank you.

9 Thanks for your presentation.

10 As Penny mentioned, we have had discussions,

11 and, you know, we understand that the existing

12 services are stretched, as I mention now. We look

13 forward to having further discussions and seeing

14 how we can be of assistance in this area.

15 I think part of, you know, putting together a

16 fund was hopefully to allow communities to make

17 choices about where the need is greatest, and so

18 that was what we have proposed, but we absolutely

19 are interested in having further discussions.

20 I think we've had some really helpful

21 suggestions already. And I think there is a

22 recognition that Site C is part of it, but there's

23 also some existing conditions. And so we look

24 forward to following up with you.

25 Thanks.

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1 MS. BEAUDET: I want to know if you have

2 statistics on the parents, if -- to what extent

3 they come from the region, to what extent they are

4 locals that have grown up and lived here all their

5 lives, parents that are attached to a company

6 working here. Do you have any data?

7 MS. PENNY GAGNON: No, we don't actually keep a

8 lot of stats on the people around the child,

9 per se. We keep the stats on the child. We,

10 obviously, have the information around the parents,

11 but we don't track whether they are local

12 individuals or people who have sort of migrated in,

13 but, you know, from a -- just a -- the experience

14 of being there, I can very comfortably say that --

15 you know, I don't even know what the percentage

16 would be, but most people who are coming to our

17 centre probably are not born and raised here.

18 Because we know who those people are. Right? They

19 come and they tell us they don't have any family,

20 they don't have any help, they can't find childcare

21 because, you know, grandma and grandpa don't live

22 in town.

23 We are looking at hiring a contract

24 clinician, and she's actually going -- because we

25 don't have a physiotherapist, and, you know,

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1 childcare is an issue for her, and so she's

2 bringing a family member from a different city to

3 come and help with childcare.

4 So, you know, we see a lot of people from the

5 eastern provinces come and need some assistance,

6 so ...

7 MS. BEAUDET: The reason why I'm asking is

8 because usually when there's a bigger centre in the

9 region, and it offers services that you don't find

10 in more rural areas, then more people come to that

11 big centre.

12 MS. PENNY GAGNON: M'mm-hmm.

13 I know that some employers do use the child

14 development centre as one of their sort of

15 marketing strategies for recruitment efforts, but,

16 you know, like I sad, unless their children are

17 very, very highly complex right now, they're not --

18 they're sitting on waitlists way longer than they

19 should be.

20 So if you have a child with a, you know,

21 fairly simple articulation problem, they probably

22 will maybe get one appointment with the speech

23 language pathologist, and then they will be sent

24 home with a home program. And the days of weekly

25 therapy, or coming for therapy three days a week,

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1 are far gone. Whereas, you know, some of these

2 children with very sort of easy-fix problems, that

3 could be addressed in a block, and make great gains

4 in a shorter period of time are, unfortunately, not

5 being seen because of the kids that are, you know,

6 born premature with rare syndromes, you know, and a

7 whole other host of problems.

8 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you.

9 THE CHAIRMAN: Are there comments from the

10 floor?

11 Mr. Little.

12 MR. JAMES LITTLE: Anyway, CDC does provide a

13 great service here, but my question is is that --

14 and I think I know the answer, but I'd like it

15 stated, is that you basically are the only service

16 that does what you're doing? And that's what I

17 want in the record, please.

18 MS. PENNY GAGNON: M'mm-hmm. Yeah, we are the

19 only service in Fort St. John that offers this type

20 of paediatric rehab, and I think, as well, to build

21 on what the gentleman had to say was that the

22 concern that we have, and will continue to have, is

23 there is no paediatrician in Fort St. John. Not

24 saying that's a BC Hydro problem, but it is a

25 community problem.

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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you very much.

2 MS. PENNY GAGNON: Thanks.

3 THE CHAIRMAN: I'm going to suggest that we

4 take a somewhat early coffee break, come back in

5 15 minutes, at 25 after the hour, and then spend

6 some time with the Ministry with the impossible

7 name. Thank you very much.

8

9 (Brief break)

10

11 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Good morning, again.

12 We now have an opportunity here from the

13 Ministry of Forestry, Lands and Natural Resources

14 Operations; principally, on tourism. We're in your

15 hands.

16

17 Ministry of Forestry, Lands and Natural Resources

18 Operations Panel:

19 Ben Naylor (Legal Counsel).

20 Jennifer Davis.

21 Peter Harrison.

22 Chris Addison.

23 Dr. Kristy Ciruna.

24

25 Introduction of the Ministry of Forest, Lands and Natural

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1 Resources Operations Panel by Mr. Ben Naylor:

2

3 MR. BEN NAYLOR: Good morning, Mr. Chair,

4 esteemed panel members.

5 My name is Ben Naylor. I'm legal counsel for

6 the Province of British Columbia, and I'm here to

7 introduce a panel that's been convened to speak on

8 tourism topics and questions that were raised by

9 the panel.

10 Principally, in the centre of the panel, we

11 have Ms. Jennifer Davis, who is the executive

12 director of the tourism branch of Ministry of Jobs,

13 Tourism and Skills Training.

14 On the panel's right, we have Mr. Peter

15 Harrison, who is the director of partnership

16 marketing of Destination British Columbia.

17 And on the panel's left, we have a familiar

18 face, Mr. Chris Addison, who is the director of

19 resource management for the Ministry of Forests,

20 Lands and Natural Resource Operations.

21 So I will leave you in their hands. But

22 before I turn the presentation over into the

23 capable hands of Ms. Davis, I would just like to

24 add that if there are any follow-up questions that

25 need to be addressed in the form of undertakings, I

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1 note that today is the last day to submit those

2 undertakings. So if there are any questions that

3 do fall within that category that we do have a

4 brief discussion about the timing of that after the

5 panel speaks.

6 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, we'll do whatever ad hoc

7 thing we need to do.

8 Thank you very much.

9 MR. BEN NAYLOR: Thank you.

10 THE CHAIRMAN: Ms. Davis.

11

12 Presentation by Ms. Jennifer Davies, Ministry of

13 Forestry, Lands and Natural Resources Operations:

14

15 MS. JENNIFER DAVIES: Thank you. Merci.

16 Thank you for letting us come here in person

17 and answer the questions that you put to us. There

18 were seven questions, and what we thought we would

19 do is go through them in a bit of a systematic

20 manner, going from the provincial context down to

21 the local context and work through them that way.

22 But, first, I wanted to talk a little bit

23 more, you've gone from the agency, as you said,

24 that has the indescribable name, to having

25 additional people with another agency --

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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Now, Ms. Davis, I'm going to

2 have to tell you right away that --

3 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: Slow down.

4 THE CHAIRMAN: -- you're being transcribed

5 and the speed must be moderated.

6 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: Thank you, sir. I appreciate

7 the reminder.

8 So, as Mr. Naylor mentioned, you've got

9 representatives here from three government groups.

10 I'm with the Ministry of Jobs, Tourism and Skills

11 Training. This is the ministry that is responsible

12 for the provincial agenda for tourism, that

13 includes setting the strategic direction.

14 Tourism is one of the eight jobs plan sectors

15 for British Columbia. And it has its own strategic

16 plan, which is called Gaining the Edge, which we've

17 provided to the Secretary as well.

18 Gaining the Edge kind of sets out where we're

19 going. It runs from 2012 to 2016.

20 In delivery of Gaining the Edge, we've got a

21 core partner called Destination British Columbia.

22 This is a Crown corporation. It's newly-minted.

23 It started out just a year ago. And Destination

24 British Columbia's primary focus is to work on the

25 demand side of tourism marketing us locally,

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1 nationally, and internationally with the goal of

2 increasing revenue and jobs and businesses all

3 across British Columbia.

4 The third component, we have some operational

5 delivery elements. One of the most important being

6 our colleagues at the Ministry Of Forests, Lands

7 and Natural Resource Operations.

8 They have, in summary, kind of two roles for

9 us: one, they do the integrated resource management

10 for the natural sectors, that includes tourism.

11 And, two, they have straight-line delivery of

12 some programs, including outdoor recreation.

13 There's a branch that deals with the mountain

14 resorts in British Columbia, heritage, and a few

15 others.

16 So in the Province of British Columbia, it

17 kind of links the three groups together to really

18 deliver tourism, and why you've got the panel here

19 that you have today.

20 So the first question that you asked was a

21 little bit about the basis for BC tourism

22 promotion. I have five slides that quickly go

23 through this, and they will set the context for the

24 remaining questions.

25 So the first point is that we define tourism.

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1 We use a standard methodology both here in BC and

2 Canada. It's the definition that the world tourism

3 organization uses and the UN. And it's written

4 there for you.

5 So it's the activities of persons travelling

6 to and staying in places outside their usual

7 environment for not more than one consecutive year

8 for leisure, business, and other purposes.

9 There's three quick points I want to add to

10 this. There is a distinction between tourism and

11 public recreation.

12 Tourism is generally about generating

13 revenue, employment, and businesses.

14 The second point is that, as the definition

15 states, there is both leisure and business travel

16 in tourism.

17 Sometimes I use the definition "a travel

18 economy" to help people understand what's in

19 tourism, that seems to resonate more easily to

20 understand: "a travel economy."

21 On that one, I just want to note that the

22 definition says for not more than one consecutive

23 year, here, in British Columbia, we understand that

24 there are areas of the Province, and this being

25 one, where there's a lot of long-term business

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1 travel. So we use statistics that separate out

2 anybody who is staying for more than 30 days. So

3 we don't want to overestimate what's going for

4 tourism, so we net those folks out here in BC.

5 The third point, is that, for us, this

6 includes domestic travel. So people in BC, we

7 don't view them just as circulating money around

8 the Province.

9 In the tourism lens, quite often those are

10 people who might go elsewhere: to Mexico, to

11 Hawaii. We'd rather they spent their money here at

12 home on our wonderful products.

13 So continuing on. This slide, I wanted to

14 talk a little bit about -- there's a suite of

15 industries that are part of tourism. Sometimes

16 people hear the word "tourism" and think of our

17 adventure tourism business operators, but that's

18 only a part of how we define tourism.

19 This pie chart in front of you is just an

20 example about employment. So it shows -- the big,

21 yellow chunk is accommodation and food services.

22 There's transportation, retail, and some other

23 services in there as well.

24 Again, we are using a globally-standard

25 methodology. And in that, it's important to note

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1 that not all sectors are fully linked to tourism.

2 So we talked about accommodation earlier.

3 Accommodation is, you know, more than 95 percent

4 visitors are coming and staying in your hotels.

5 But taxis, for example, taxi services, about

6 25 percent of that is accrued to tourism.

7 Retail is, again, proportionately less.

8 So, again, it's very important that we don't

9 overestimate how much of this industry is accruing

10 to, what we call, tourism.

11 So, again, we use some standard methodology

12 that BC Stats handles for us.

13 Just to give you a quantum here in British

14 Columbia, given all those industries pooled

15 together, it's a 13.4 billion-dollar industry in

16 British Columbia. That's why it's one of our eight

17 job sectors, jobs plans sectors.

18 But the question really asked around how we

19 promote British Columbia. We have our BC brand.

20 It is Super, Natural British Columbia. We've had

21 it for more than 30 years. And we continue to

22 analyze the relevance of this brand. It's a

23 highly-competitive marketplace out there.

24 In the 1950s, there was about 15 countries

25 that had 90 percent of the travellers. And Canada

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1 was in there.

2 Now, we're finding a lot of, what's called,

3 exotic locations: Thailand. New Zealand. The

4 marketplace is becoming increasingly crowded. So

5 Canada is dropping in its destination in terms of

6 the percentage of travellers of the world coming

7 into Canada; ranking, that is, not in volume.

8 We're still growing.

9 So we continue to take a look at our brand,

10 and how we action that brand on the marketplace.

11 And it's important to know the essence of what

12 British Columbia has, and how we market ourselves.

13 We're seen as a welcoming place. We're

14 sophisticated. We have a great diversity of

15 cultures, city experiences, small-town experiences.

16 All in a very safe environment. We're seen as a

17 very safe destination. And all of this is in the

18 backdrop of breathtaking beauty and exceptional

19 experiences. That's our brand, and our brand

20 promise.

21 So we'll touch on British Columbia's key

22 markets. And I've provided you two pie charts:

23 one that looks at the volume. So who is coming?

24 And the second one is the expenditures; who's

25 paying?

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1 You can see that British Columbia

2 domestically is our -- continues to be our key

3 volume market. But when we're looking at who's

4 paying more, we can look at Asia Pacific, which is

5 the purple slice, and Europe, which is the blue

6 slice, which are proportionately more. This is

7 really important because Canada and British

8 Columbia are considered high-cost destinations for

9 people coming elsewhere.

10 So we have a target client; it's the people

11 that can afford to come, and, ideally, like to

12 enjoy spending their money here. We're not a

13 Disneyland that works on volume. We're a high-cost

14 destination. So we operate giving exceptional

15 experiences, high quality.

16 Just to give you a flavour: in 2011, which is

17 kind of our best statistical information right now,

18 there was 4.3 million international tourists coming

19 to British Columbia. So we've got lots of people

20 coming, even in those smaller slices.

21 So this is my last slide on question one,

22 which was how do we promote and really focus

23 promotion of tourism in British Columbia?

24 Really, we need to look at the marketing

25 side, and this is where my colleagues in the Crown

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1 corporation Destination British Columbia play a

2 pivotal role, and we really want to convert

3 awareness of British Columbia as a destination,

4 both for people here in BC and elsewhere, and

5 convert that awareness into actually coming.

6 And through our programs, we also want to

7 profile and market our businesses.

8 We have key products, these are in our

9 Gaining the Edge strategy, which I referenced

10 earlier, touring vacations -- and we'll talk a

11 little bit more about that as we talk about the

12 local economy -- city stays, skiing and

13 snowboarding. There's a picture there of our Ski

14 It To Believe It winter campaign, that's on right

15 now. Aboriginal tourism, conventions, outdoor

16 adventure and ecotourism.

17 We have about 50 products in British Columbia

18 that we're looking at, tending, monitoring, but

19 those are our key ones that we're focusing on right

20 now.

21 Moving to question two. And the question was

22 around the northern regions, is the basis for

23 tourism a cultural frontier experience?

24 And I've taken the liberty of providing a

25 picture of British Columbia. And we divide it into

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1 six tourism regions, each with their own unique

2 characteristics, each with their own branding

3 flavour, all of which together come to make the

4 Super, Natural British Columbia brand.

5 So the next slide is about northern BC, but

6 keep in mind that's the red on this one. It's

7 pretty much everything Prince George and up, is,

8 what we call, our northern region.

9 So I have very good -- we've got good

10 information by regions. We don't have very good

11 information slicing the regions down into a more

12 granular level.

13 So for the northern region, here's how we can

14 describe it. It's an expansive, diverse, and

15 spectacular world for outdoor enthusiasts. The

16 visitor who visits northern BC is drawn to the

17 frontier of the north by its beauty, the uncrowded,

18 wide-open spaces, the abundance of wildlife, and

19 unique Aboriginal culture.

20 No problem.

21 Of course, in the north, there's some

22 seasonality: May to September. We know the key

23 markets for the north, they are listed here: BC,

24 Alberta, Alaska, Germany, and Washington.

25 We have travel motivators. Those are the

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1 things that make you decide to go to a certain

2 place. It may not be all that you do when you're

3 there, but it's the lure that brings you there.

4 The travel motivators for the north is that

5 sightseeing, the nature viewing, there's a huge

6 piece around visiting relatives and friends.

7 That's a little different than some of the other

8 regions in the Province.

9 And that's also reflected in accommodation

10 pattern. There's more people that actually go and

11 stay with family and friends in the north.

12 Now, we have products. It's a bit of a busy

13 slide, but I wanted to give you a flavour of the

14 regional products, number one, and that's the

15 northern region.

16 And then we look at number two, which is the

17 northeast products. And number three, the local

18 area products.

19 So you can see from the regional products,

20 that great big, blue slice is touring. People

21 taking long-term treks through the north, lots of

22 RV travels and that sort of thing. A huge and

23 important component of tourism in the north.

24 It's also an incredibly important component

25 in this part of the country. The Alaska Highway

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1 traveller is the most critical visitor to the

2 market here locally. That's not to say there

3 aren't other products.

4 Again, outdoor recreation, parks trails,

5 wildlife viewing. But from a tourism market,

6 demographic, and traveller, the Alaska Highway is

7 number one for this area.

8 I did -- we do have a listing of businesses

9 affiliated with tourism. It's our approved

10 accommodation and attractions listing. We use that

11 with our partners in Destination British Columbia

12 to help promote businesses.

13 And I did a query on our listing. And for

14 this area, of course, there are hotels,

15 accommodations, that sort of thing. But I

16 specifically looked for -- because the question had

17 asked -- ecotourism and outdoor recreational

18 businesses. And there were none on our listing.

19 That's not to say there are none in the area, but

20 there are none currently accessing our marketing

21 side of things.

22 For example, I also know there are guide

23 outfitters in the area, that they are not on our

24 tourism business listings. So I've got a takeaway

25 there for some follow-up work with the local area.

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1 So moving to question four, which was around

2 the market in the area. So given the information

3 that we've got so far, I think you can see that

4 there's definitely an existing market

5 proportionately to British Columbia; it's small.

6 It's got definite potential to grow. And I've

7 given a few statistics there.

8 Again, BC generates 13.4 billion in revenue

9 for tourism. The entire north is 1.1 billion, so

10 about 8 percent. We don't have comparable stats

11 for the Peace area, but I do know we have a report

12 that I believe one of the communities submitted

13 earlier, and it's called the Value of Tourism Study

14 for the North Peace Region. Again, that report was

15 done through colleagues in my ministry.

16 It's a good report, but it's the little

17 apples to oranges in terms of comparative. But if

18 you look at it, the Peace is about 10 percent of

19 the north.

20 And then I've also done visitors overnight

21 and expenditures, which are about 5 percent each.

22 If you compare this to Vancouver, Whistler, and

23 Victoria, they represent about 70 percent revenue,

24 visitors, and expenditures. That's not to say that

25 tourism is not important in this area.

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1 It's very important in every part of the

2 Province, and it's certainly an area we'd like to

3 grow, but the question was how does this compare

4 provincially?

5 I wanted to touch a little bit, as well, on

6 the traveller profile for this area.

7 So, again, it's sliced up here around Canada,

8 U.S., and international travellers to this area.

9 BC and Albertans are about 70 percent.

10 And what was interesting -- and I'm going to

11 say these are leisure travellers, this is not the

12 business traveller.

13 Again, the demographic of -- or the profile

14 of this traveller represents often that Alaska

15 Highway traveller. A little bit older, a little

16 bit more time on their hands, fewer children with

17 them, because often you need, you know, a couple of

18 weeks at least to start taking that touring

19 adventure.

20 So question five asked about whether or not

21 we expected major changes in clientele. So you can

22 see the Site C project isn't really expected to

23 have major changes in the clientele. We continue

24 to have business travellers here. We'll continue

25 to have the Alaska Highway. We'll continue to have

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1 some local businesses. And from my provincial

2 perspective, we would like to continue to

3 definitely grow the tourism in the area.

4 Question six was a very interesting and very

5 good question. And asked a little bit about

6 changes and comparability to things like the

7 Revelstoke Dam.

8 So comparing a potential Site C here to the

9 Revelstoke Dam was a bit difficult for us because

10 they are, again, different regions from our tourism

11 perspective. They have different clientele,

12 different key products. So we were a little

13 challenged to give you a good, crisp answer on that

14 one. But what we do know, visitor centres at the

15 dams are definitely tourism attractions. People

16 like to go there. But just creating a visitor

17 centre unto itself doesn't meaningfully help

18 tourism. It has to be aligned with the marketing

19 and promotional side of things.

20 So the final question we were asked was

21 perspective on the proposed mitigation measures.

22 And in looking at it, you know, the -- as we've

23 talked about, the key issues are around scenics,

24 visual management, replacement of some of those

25 infrastructure elements that might get impacted:

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1 camp sites and boat launches, I know are specific

2 ones. The visitor centre potential at the site,

3 they all seem to be -- you know, Hydro has looked

4 at all of those aspects and come up with some ways

5 of going forward with them.

6 What we did note, though, is that at a more

7 operational level, if the project was to go

8 forward, there's some additional opportunities that

9 we should be looking at.

10 And I know the communities yesterday talked a

11 lot about traffic flow. And I ask you to put your

12 tourism lens on it. You've got the big RVers, that

13 Alaska Highway traffic coming through. It's a

14 bucket-list trip for people. We want them to have

15 a great experience. And we want them to have it

16 easy to get into the local communities and enjoy

17 the facilities here. So traffic management becomes

18 a really big point.

19 And I said earlier on the slide around a

20 visitor centre, great idea to look at a visitor's

21 centre from BC Hydro. And we'd love to do some

22 more discussions around how we can build that into

23 what we do provincially with visitor centre

24 networks.

25 So this is a picture of an RV on the Alaska

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1 Highway.

2 And we hope that that's answered the

3 questions you put at us. And we're here if you

4 have any further questions or things that we can

5 help with.

6 THE CHAIRMAN: That's very helpful, thank

7 you.

8 Jim's got one question.

9 MR. MATTISON: I just want help to

10 understand the business traveller that's part of

11 tourism. I looked in the parking lot of the hotel,

12 and I watch people -- and we've been here for some

13 time -- I've watch people get up in the morning,

14 and there's a lot of guys putting on hard hats and

15 reflective vests and boots and going out to get

16 into well service trucks or communications trucks

17 or whatever. That's not your business traveller, I

18 assume?

19 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: From a statistical

20 perspective, if they are here for less than 30

21 nights, they are --

22 MR. MATTISON: Okay.

23 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: -- because we can't get

24 it so granular to really define it out any tighter

25 than that. And the reality is that business travel

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1 is often the welcome mat to leisure travel. We

2 know there's a tight correlation in terms of them.

3 So, again, we use the 30-night marker to break it

4 down.

5 MR. MATTISON: Okay. That's helpful, thank

6 you.

7 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

8 It is very helpful to put things in

9 perspective for us.

10 The reason why we ask if you could look at,

11 for instance, the Revelstoke reservoir, is from the

12 comments we had and we read, was people would come

13 and tell us it's different if you are a river

14 person or a lake or reservoir person.

15 We had other comments saying a reservoir is

16 not a lake. And we wanted to know from a previous

17 experience of a change from a river to a reservoir,

18 if there had been noticeably a change in -- not

19 just the type of clientele, but also a drop in that

20 region? But maybe we are getting here too much in

21 the details of what northern BC offers. Or maybe

22 you can answer more precisely to that.

23 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: Well, I can certainly comment

24 that if we were in another area of the Province

25 that had a river that had a number of established

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1 businesses on it, that would change the perspective

2 on it.

3 Here, as I said, when we look at this part of

4 the Peace River, there's not an existing number of

5 tourism-related river-based businesses.

6 So from a development perspective, you're

7 definitely going to impact the river-use enjoyment

8 largely from a public recreation, not to

9 marginalize that.

10 From a tourism business development, you

11 don't have a number of businesses that are

12 currently going to be impacted.

13 So if you're an entrepreneur, looking to

14 develop, it's a bit of a net -- net, you know,

15 gain/loss perspective. Whereas -- and I don't know

16 about the number of existing businesses in the

17 Revelstoke area that may or may not have been

18 impacted.

19 So we tried to take a look at it specific to

20 this area, and the existing product, or lack of

21 product, in terms of tourism, ecotourism, and

22 river-based businesses.

23 MS. BEAUDET: We had a few presentations in

24 writing or orally of outfitters. Would that

25 category fit in the ecotourism, or in the outdoor

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1 recreation?

2 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: I'm sorry, I'll answer that;

3 guide outfitters are my client.

4 So they are -- I don't think that they

5 necessarily see themselves as being either of those

6 things. They are a sustainable resource use

7 tourism business, you know. I would expect that

8 the half dozen of them or so who would be impacted

9 would need to change how they operate, but I don't

10 know that it would have a net impact overall.

11 MS. BEAUDET: In a way, they have fallen

12 through the crack?

13 THE CHAIRMAN: But it seems as if they don't

14 register with you and get on the list of approved

15 accommodations. Why is that?

16 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: It's an excellent point.

17 We've just started working with another

18 program with the guides and outfitters, to look at

19 how we might help themselves market themselves a

20 little bit. The program is called Experiences BC.

21 Guides and outfitters are definitely -- we

22 view them as part of tourism because many of them

23 bring in external clients and often high-paid

24 clients. So back to our target demographic.

25 But I'll leave it to Chris to talk about

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1 whether the specific development of Site C would

2 have a meaningful impact on their business or not.

3 And we're currently thinking probably not.

4 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Yeah. In terms of an overall

5 impact, it would be difficult to see a direct

6 effect there.

7 I know that there are individuals, for

8 instance, who are -- we heard from Gary Drinkall

9 last week specifically about this, that he's got a

10 camp that's within the project area, that sort of

11 thing. Those kinds of effects would be certainly

12 important to individuals. But as an overall

13 tourism thing within the area, it's difficult to

14 see that direct line.

15 MS. BEAUDET: I believe you have a guide

16 for compensation for outfitters, and I was

17 wondering if we could get a copy of that, please.

18 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: I'm sorry, we do?

19 MS. BEAUDET: BC Hydro said that you do

20 have a guide if outfitters, for instance, here,

21 lose part of their business because of the flooding

22 of the river, and we were told that your Ministry

23 has a guide. Can we -- did I understand well?

24 MS. JUDY REYNIER: On the -- on the internet

25 site, or the website, there's a reference, and I

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1 forget the exact name of it, but it's guidelines

2 for dealing with overlapping tenure holders. And

3 what it does, it deals with the category of tenure

4 holder, like oil and gas or guide outfitters or

5 trappers. And there's a page on each, very, very

6 general. What it says is just sort of make -- form

7 an agreement between the two overlapping interests.

8 It doesn't actually give compensation guidelines.

9 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: For guide outfitters, in

10 particular, there is no compensation mechanism

11 within the Wildlife Act.

12 We rely on where there is an impact between

13 two tenure holders. We rely on those people to

14 work together to come to a common understanding.

15 But we don't insert ourselves in that.

16 MS. SUSAN YURKOVICH: Madam Beaudet, we could

17 provide you the link, if you'd like that.

18 MS. BEAUDET: Yes, please, I would

19 appreciate it. Thank you.

20

21 UNDERTAKING 89: Provide link for guidelines for dealing

22 with overlapping tenure holders on the Ministry of

23 Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations

24 website

25

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1 MS. BEAUDET: My last point is with respect

2 to, I would think, promotion of activities up here.

3 And you did explain very well where it is based,

4 like -- you know, it's a safe place, breathtaking

5 views, exceptional experience.

6 What we heard, for instance, from the

7 outfitter, one of the groups, anyway, here, it's

8 really "adventure". I mean, they have foreign

9 clientele, I suppose, fairly at ease with their

10 finance.

11 And I know that instead of concentrating on

12 breathtaking views, I mean, that level of clientele

13 usually has seen the world very often, and they

14 want an exceptional experience. And I was

15 wondering if you have a little niche for that type

16 of clientele? And how do you promote it for BC

17 and, especially, I suppose, northern BC?

18 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: It's an excellent

19 question. Two parts to the answer.

20 From the tourist clientele to this part of

21 the country, we have to make sure we're taking care

22 of the Alaska Highway traveller. They are the

23 bread and butter, the volume user, the ones that

24 generate the most revenue, particularly, for these

25 communities. But you talk about that niche

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1 clientele.

2 And, as I mentioned earlier, we're just

3 engaging with the Guide Outfitters Association of

4 British Columbia to talk more about how do we

5 actually help with their promotions? Because they

6 are often dealing with our BC ideal customer,

7 exactly as you said, a high-pay affluent person.

8 There's a comparable to our heli-ski client.

9 So it's an area that we know is an opportunity, and

10 one that we're starting to action. We actually

11 started last year to work with that association.

12 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you.

13 MR. MATTISON: I'm astounded to get this far

14 into this presentation and no one has said the word

15 "parks." Does that not matter in the north?

16 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: Parks are incredibly

17 important in the north and across British Columbia,

18 of course. It's a great question.

19 Parks -- and, again, the questions were

20 around the impacts of Site C. If the questions

21 were around how we action the tourist advantage in

22 the north, then certainly the answer would be an

23 inclusion of areas like the parks and whatnot.

24 So, again, the Alaska Highway traveller

25 certainly accesses the parks along the routes.

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1 We know that the parks interpretive and

2 visitor stops are part of our, what we call,

3 visitor servicing and network. So it's very much

4 part of the tourism fabric. It just didn't come up

5 from the questions that we were asked here.

6 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Hadland.

7 MR. RANDAL HADLAND: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

8 I've got a couple of questions.

9 The first one is for this panel. And I'm

10 wondering if they have any information on the

11 potential for agritourism in the Peace Valley, that

12 we've heard the impact of the flood reserve on

13 agriculture itself. And agritourism is,

14 apparently, a growing industry. Have you looked at

15 that potential?

16 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: Provincially -- again,

17 great question. Provincially, agritourism is on

18 the radar as a really important product. We're

19 finding more market seeking it in the Fraser

20 Valley/Lower Mainland area. It hasn't emerged yet

21 as a market-ready product for the north. That's

22 not to say it's not important.

23 Again, earlier on, we track about 50

24 products. And we have to -- we pick and choose

25 where we put our energy. We certainly both want to

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1 invest our energy in those new and emerging

2 markets. And we want to invest our energy in those

3 existing markets that draw clientele.

4 So agritourism in this area, again, we

5 haven't got much in the way of businesses aligned

6 to that in our inventory. I personally think it's

7 a great growth opportunity that we should be

8 actioning, particularly. I'm going to talk with my

9 tourism hat. We've got, in a way, this wonderful

10 influx of people to the north to experience it.

11 And a great place to live is a great place to

12 visit. So I think there's a great tourism

13 opportunity in this area.

14 MR. RANDAL HADLAND: Thank you.

15 Mr. Chairman, my second question is for

16 Hydro. And this comes out of the Section 25 on

17 recreation. And I can't get a more specific

18 reference to it, I was looking for it a minute ago

19 and I couldn't find it.

20 But Hydro established a series of points from

21 which they tried to determine the aesthetic impact

22 of the project, but none of those sites were on the

23 river. And I wonder if Hydro could comment on what

24 they might be missing by not having any of those

25 sites from the river itself.

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1 MS. SUSAN YURKOVICH: Are you speaking about

2 the visual resources, Mr. Hadland?

3 MR. RANDAL HADLAND: That would be -- that sounds

4 reasonable to me.

5 MS. SIOBHAN JACKSON: I'll ask Mr. Harrison to

6 follow-up.

7 I will note that the Joint Review Panel asked

8 us to provide additional viewscapes from the view

9 of the river, and while Mr. Harrison is talking,

10 I'll find the reference.

11 MR. RANDAL HADLAND: Well, Mr. Chairman, I wasn't

12 aware that the panel had already done that, or

13 asked that question.

14 THE CHAIRMAN: Earlier on you had asked for

15 synthetic pictures of the landscape from the river.

16 MR. RANDAL HADLAND: Oh. Oh, I didn't --

17 THE CHAIRMAN: Once it had been flooded in

18 comparison with the existing --

19 MR. RANDAL HADLAND: And has Hydro provided that?

20 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, they did.

21 MR. RANDAL HADLAND: Okay. That's good for me.

22 Thank you very much.

23 MS. SIOBHAN JACKSON: The reference is JRP IR

24 number 13.

25 MR. JAMES LITTLE: Thanks.

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1 Jim Little. Just a couple points, the first

2 one is the other day, I didn't get -- have the

3 opportunity to come up when Mr. Drinkall finished

4 because things got speeded along, so ...

5 The point on that one was they were talking

6 about compensation for outfitters, and one of the

7 points that I wanted to make on that is that an

8 outfitter like Mr. Drinkall, or a high country

9 outfitters, they have actually have several

10 tenures, not just the one he's -- under the

11 applications where he'll have a guide outfitters

12 certificate. And he also has a commercial back

13 country recreation tenure. And there are two

14 different tenures and they both have evergreen

15 clauses in them.

16 So Hydro had suggested that they would only

17 negotiate to the term of the tenure, but they

18 actually have -- in the midterm, they can apply

19 for -- to start again, type of deal, go to the --

20 whatever the term of the tenure is, so that's the

21 point I wanted to make there.

22 The other thing I wanted to add on the Alaska

23 Highway tourist thing is that the Northern Rockies

24 regional municipality, which is Fort Nelson, they

25 actually changed the name of their community to

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1 represent what was happened in the Fort Nelson

2 LRMP, the Northern Rockies is one of the zones, and

3 then included the Muskwa Kechika.

4 So the Northern Rockies has a significant

5 tourism thing on their website. If you went to the

6 Northern Rockies' deal, you would see

7 significant there. And, also, the Alaska Highway

8 Tourist Association has significant advertising and

9 stuff within that.

10 In addition to that, the guide outfitters

11 themselves are fairly successful in doing their own

12 advertising for their own businesses and beyond

13 that, even the Ministry environment -- Chris'

14 organization -- in their annual hunting synopsis,

15 they actually have advertising in there to say

16 people can have back country experiences being

17 whether you're just going out to take photography,

18 et cetera. So there's some substantial advertising

19 out there for that. So I just wanted to mention

20 that.

21 Thank you.

22 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Atkins.

23 MR. TONY ATKINS: One of the reasons people

24 come here on their way to Alaska is to drive the

25 section between Hudson's Hope and Fort St. John.

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1 It is a valley that's worthwhile looking at, and

2 it's probably one of the better drives or the nicer

3 drives or the most scenic drives in British

4 Columbia.

5 We already have two visitor centres at two

6 existing dams. So if people wish to go and have a

7 look at the dams and the visitor centres, we've got

8 two of them. We've only got one road by the river

9 in the Peace, and we'd like to keep it that way.

10 Thank you.

11 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir.

12 Mr. Boon, I'm sure you have an opposite view.

13 MR. KEN BOON: No, I concur with that.

14 My comment and question is in regards to the

15 response to the question number six.

16 I would suggest that the two previous dams

17 have had a tremendous impact on tourism that could

18 have taken place in the Rocky Mountain Trench

19 section that's now all inundated.

20 You know, like, we seen a presentation this

21 morning from Kwadacha. Like, you know, how

22 different would things look up at the north end of

23 the trench around Fort Ware if that was not a

24 reservoir, and, you know, the tourism potential up

25 there would have been just tremendous. And, you

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1 know, it could be argued that Fort St. John might

2 have been almost like the Calgary of Alberta with

3 all the mountains to the west. You know, we're --

4 we are really missing out on a huge potential there

5 because of those two dams, and I'm just wondering

6 if this panel could maybe comment on that a little

7 bit.

8 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: I don't think we're prepared

9 to speculate about what might have happened if we'd

10 made other decisions.

11 THE CHAIRMAN: I think there's wisdom in

12 that. The question was a bit of a set-up.

13 Madam Beaudet.

14 MS. BEAUDET: I would be interested to

15 know -- for me, I'm discovering, in these last few

16 months, British Columbia. We always -- you have

17 the reputation of being a very beautiful province,

18 and, you know, you look at Vancouver, the Rockies,

19 I mean -- and I was wondering in the planning of

20 promoting for tourism if the northern part has been

21 a little bit neglected to some extent because you

22 have so much to offer in other places.

23 If you look, for instance, just agro-tourism,

24 you have the Fraser Valley. If you want to ski,

25 you have Whistler. And so in the planning, you

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1 have to look, first, for your bread and butter, and

2 you have to concentrate more on the assets that you

3 know will bring a lot of tourism.

4 So I would like to hear your comments on

5 that, please.

6 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: Again, excellent

7 question. And it's a delicate balance between --

8 to be blunt, if we just wanted to raise revenue for

9 tourism in British Columbia, we would only focus on

10 Vancouver, Whistler, and Victoria. We could up the

11 numbers very quickly by doing that. It's existing

12 markets; people come. It's got global reputation.

13 But that is not what the Province is doing.

14 The Province is investing extreme resources

15 around supporting each of those six regions so they

16 can market themselves to their target clients.

17 And we have a few other programs, I mentioned

18 one called Experiences BC, which focuses on key

19 sectors, guide outfitters is one. We also have

20 other programs for community development. And we

21 have our visitor centre networks.

22 So you make an excellent point around is

23 enough resources being put to the north? And I

24 think that's always a debatable question. But we

25 certainly from a provincial perspective are

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1 focusing, in fact, a little more of our provincial

2 resources outside of those three centres of

3 Vancouver, Victoria, and Whistler because, frankly,

4 they are taking care of themselves quite well. And

5 we are trying to look at our promotional activities

6 in these other areas.

7 But if we have no supply, then there's not

8 much to market. We want to make sure people come,

9 have a great experience, and the product is

10 developed in a way that the supply and the demand

11 match up.

12 MS. BEAUDET: What year did you start

13 investing, for instance, in the region of northern

14 BC? I mean, you say the strategy is to look at the

15 entire province, but when did northern BC start

16 getting funds to look at this particular area?

17 MR. PETER HARRISON: Yeah, we've worked very

18 closely with the six tourism regions in the

19 Province, and, obviously, northern British Columbia

20 is very important. And we've had a partnership

21 program with northern British Columbia tourism

22 probably for about 30 years, and it's close to

23 about $1 million that's provided to the region to

24 do cooperative programs with the different tourism

25 stakeholders that operate throughout the Province.

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1 The other thing that we do primarily for

2 northern British Columbia, but also the Cariboo

3 Chilcotin Coast Tourism Association as well, is

4 that there's a program called Tourism North, which

5 is targeted directly towards the RV consumer that

6 is done in the lower 48, that's wanting to drive up

7 to Alaska for that trip of a lifetime. And we've

8 been involved in that program for probably about

9 15 years. And that's trying to encourage those

10 consumers to come up and be able to enjoy all the

11 different experiences that are available in British

12 Columbia. And there's a very important market here

13 right in northern British Columbia, and especially

14 along the Alaska Highway.

15 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you.

16 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you.

17 Maya.

18 MS. MAYA STANO: Thank you very much.

19 I wonder if the government panel could just

20 bring some slides back here. There was one

21 question on impacts, and the answer was no.

22 Could you just bring that one back up.

23 Here we go. Okay.

24 So I just want to make some comments, and

25 then I hope the government panel could perhaps

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1 respond to these comments.

2 So, first, there was the comment about the

3 promotion of the northern area, and that the area

4 has got beautiful wide open spaces, and it's a big

5 draw to also show Aboriginal cultures.

6 I just want to stress that Aboriginal

7 cultures are not frozen in time. They are not just

8 what happened pre-European contact or in the last

9 hundred years ago or so on. It is well-recognized

10 that the Aboriginal rights and Aboriginal cultures

11 are meant to evolve over time. There's

12 Constitutional space for that. And those are still

13 a culture worth promoting.

14 And when there's this discussion of wide open

15 spaces, I think that's perhaps maybe a bit of a

16 narrow characterization of that because these wide

17 open spaces are covered with traditional

18 territories of First Nations where they exercise

19 their traditional rights to hunt, trap, gather,

20 exercise spiritual and cultural uses.

21 So I think there needs to be some clarity on

22 that.

23 But then that leads me to this issue of who

24 are the tourists that come to northern BC?

25 Now -- and the government representative

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1 mentioned that this is usually an older population,

2 a touring population.

3 But what I'm wondering is, in answering this

4 question here that no major changes are expected,

5 has the government panel considered whether the --

6 sorry, there was a mention earlier about a great

7 place to live is a great place to visit. So I'm

8 wondering how the government panel in answering

9 this question has considered the impacts of the

10 increased population, construction population, for

11 both Site C and all other projects in the area,

12 recognizing that that can be a short-term

13 population. Some workers will be here for that 30

14 days or less period; some will be here the less

15 than a year period. But as the panel had mentioned

16 earlier, often business travel leads to

17 recreational travel.

18 And there was also reference to heli-skiing

19 as the ideal traveller. Well, this is a

20 population -- construction population that will be

21 making high salaries. So, ideally, they will

22 actually be this type of population, this ideal

23 recreational use population.

24 And I note, too, the reference to Whistler

25 area, which, yes, is great proximity to

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1 Vancouver --

2 Sorry.

3 To Vancouver and so on, but not far from

4 Mackenzie. There's Powder King, which is I think

5 one of the best named resorts in the Province. It

6 truly is Powder King. And many people come to

7 Powder King and they discover the back country uses

8 in that area.

9 So all of these implications I wonder if the

10 government panel could just speak to those, please.

11 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: I love the questions.

12 I'm happy to speak to this all day.

13 The question that I was asked to come back to

14 was a very specific question that the panel asked

15 of us, which is around expecting major changes in

16 clientele with a change from a river environment to

17 a reservoir, a lake environment. And with that

18 specific question, I think we answered it fairly

19 clearly.

20 The questions, though, that come up

21 specifically around -- I've got three notes here.

22 Aboriginal culture. We know that one in four

23 people coming to British Columbia would like to

24 experience some component of Aboriginal culture in

25 their stay. We know that's a wonderful product

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1 that British Columbia has. And we work very

2 closely with an association called Aboriginal

3 Tourism British Columbia. And we're working both

4 with them on both marketing and product

5 development.

6 For example, I've got one of my directors

7 working directly with them around youth

8 entrepreneurship.

9 We really support Aboriginal tourism not only

10 from wanting to have that cultural product, but

11 continuing to have Aboriginal business people in

12 tourism. So there's -- that doesn't have to be

13 limited to the culture experience.

14 And the work that we've done with Aboriginal

15 Tourism British Columbia has led -- well, hasn't

16 led, that's overstating it, but their work has led

17 them to be international renowned as leaders in

18 Aboriginal culture. British Columbia is very

19 pleased that we are helping -- we are hosting the

20 International Aboriginal Tourism Forum this April.

21 And part of my team will be working with Aboriginal

22 Tourism BC on that.

23 So the question was an excellent segway to

24 talking about Aboriginal tourism and culture,

25 businesses and products.

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1 Just a note that Aboriginal Tourism British

2 Columbia is currently doing regional profiles.

3 They didn't have the work done for their north

4 region in time for -- to share with me for this

5 panel, but what they are trying to do is an

6 inventory of all of the businesses and interests,

7 and then we can start looking at what's in the art

8 of possible to help grow those businesses.

9 The other question that came up was with the

10 construction, the inflow of people. And as other

11 presentations have talked about, Site C is one of

12 many industrial developments in this area. And

13 that's bringing a lot of people to the area, and a

14 lot of affluence to the area. And the speaker

15 rightly pointed out that we want those people to be

16 enjoying the area.

17 Coming back to my very first slide. Tourism

18 is not about public recreation in how we define it,

19 so we want those people to either come back and

20 visit, have their relatives come and visit, we

21 want -- one of the northern BC's critical

22 challenges is the consumer's lack of awareness of

23 what we've got here up in the north.

24 So we would like the booms to help deal with

25 that problem a little bit.

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1 Now, how we action that into targeted

2 marketing and promotion, we need -- that's not for

3 the Province to impose on the communities or the

4 regions. We work in partnership with the

5 communities and the regions around how that may

6 evolve in the future.

7 And the last point was around Powder King.

8 I've skied it. I love it. Powder King is part of

9 the Ski It To Believe It campaign, that is our

10 winter campaign under way right now. But the point

11 that the more awareness we can get of our product

12 outside of those three centres, the better.

13 Couldn't agree more.

14 MR. MATTISON: The panel is charged with,

15 among other things, determining the impacts of the

16 proposed development on heritage resources. And

17 one of the -- there's a couple of sites in the

18 valley where Alexander Mackenzie passed through

19 here in 1792 on his way to the coast and camped,

20 and he came back and camped in 1793. Simon Fraser

21 camped in the valley. David Thompson camped in the

22 valley; they set up forts.

23 When I think of, I don't know, Fort McLeod,

24 Fort St. James, other sites; now, there's nothing

25 left of the encampments that those people made in

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1 the valley, but the viewscapes are largely

2 untouched probably because they've been in a flood

3 reserve for several decades, but, nevertheless,

4 they are undeveloped.

5 The question for us is what are we losing

6 here by inundating those sites and changing the

7 nature and character of that valley from a tourism

8 perspective?

9 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Forests, Lands and Natural

10 Resource Operations has a heritage branch that may

11 be posed to provide some information on that

12 question. I don't think that we are today.

13 We don't -- like, the tourism, the Ministry

14 of Tourism that Jennifer represents doesn't have

15 that information on that scale. We don't have that

16 degree of resolution.

17 THE CHAIRMAN: But if those sites were

18 developed or reconstructed or an historical

19 tableaux set up around them, it might be something

20 which could be promoted and enter into a regional

21 tourism strategy; is that it?

22 MS. JENNIFER DAVIS: Absolutely. Heritage

23 attractions are a great product. It's not existing

24 yet, so ...

25 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. Yes. Okay. Well,

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1 look, unless there are other pressing questions

2 from the floor, I think we will break a little

3 early with the idea that we might reconvene a

4 little early.

5 Sorry, do we have another presentation on

6 wildlife?

7 MS. BEAUDET: Well, we have questions.

8 THE CHAIRMAN: We have questions. All

9 right. We're not going to break.

10 Okay. Mr. Addison, in particular.

11 Madam Beaudet.

12 MS. BEAUDET: I hope you were prepared that

13 we would go on with the conversation and questions

14 we were having with you last time and it was a very

15 long day and we said we would come back some other

16 day and I think it was planned for this morning.

17 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Okay.

18 MS. BEAUDET: You, yourself, had a long

19 list -- and I hope you still have it -- of points

20 that you had heard through the different

21 presentations and discussions that you wanted to

22 clarify or correct the information, so maybe we can

23 start with that.

24 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Sure.

25 I think there were several, I think, that we

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1 really wanted to touch on. And I think it's

2 important to note, in particular, when we talk

3 about moose hunting and regulation proposals, and

4 this idea that I've raised about how we can grow

5 more moose within the region, and make more people

6 happy with the resource that we have for moose.

7 I want to make it clear that it's my

8 intention and my preference to change moose harvest

9 within in this region regardless. I mean,

10 irrespective of Site C, I believe that changing how

11 we manage moose, in particular, can solve a lot of

12 problems that we have internally and with all the

13 stakeholders and with First Nations as well.

14 So I'm hoping to do that over the

15 coming years, but it's important to recognize as

16 well that my intention is to do that both

17 thoughtfully and with intent and from a position of

18 knowledge. And there are a lot of things that we

19 don't know about our moose population today,

20 particularly, around demographic questions. And we

21 need to answer those before we can intentfully move

22 forward with how we manage moose.

23 MS. BEAUDET: Regarding that, we had

24 started with looking at a population density or

25 numbers. You had mentioned that, for instance, for

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1 moose, it was stable.

2 You also gave us a fair amount of details on

3 grizzly bears. I think you had said -- I can't

4 remember if it was mule deer or elk, the population

5 had dropped extensively --

6 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Yeah.

7 MS. BEAUDET: -- and recently. Was it mule

8 deer or elk?

9 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: It's both over recent

10 periods. But over, say, 20 or 30 years, elk are

11 probably higher than they have been. Elk are not

12 new to the area specifically, but they are -- over

13 time since about the '70s or '80s, they have

14 increased in number. And then over the last five

15 or six years have decreased, and I'm kind of

16 expecting Jim little to stand up and correct me

17 about that as well.

18 Mule deer are a bit of a different story in

19 that over longer timeframes, there have always been

20 quite a few mule deer here, and, in particular, in

21 the valley. And then they've declined since about

22 '06 with a major decline in that winter, '06/'07.

23 MS. BEAUDET: You took an undertaking about

24 looking at the waterfowl corridors, and if --

25 anywhere, can you notice if there's another

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1 corridor that could take, you know, the place of

2 the Peace River?

3 And I was wondering also for ungulates

4 because we've heard a lot of people say they don't

5 move, others say they move, they cross the river;

6 they don't cross the river. So I was wondering if

7 you could sort of make a statement so that we can

8 understand in a way who is right. I mean, you know

9 about the populations here. You know where they

10 move, what they do.

11 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: I'm a firm believer that all

12 generalizations are false. And there are generally

13 populations within populations of mule deer, some

14 of them might move in elevation, some of them might

15 not.

16 Without some fairly detailed collaring

17 exercises, it's difficult to tell exactly which --

18 you know, which individuals might choose to move to

19 higher elevation or move to different areas.

20 So I guess the short answer there is that

21 both of those things are true. Some elk cross the

22 river; some mule deer cross the river; some don't.

23 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you.

24 I would like to look at another area of your

25 expertise here, unless my colleague has some

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1 questions about populations.

2 No? Okay.

3 Licensing and permitting. We heard, for

4 instance, that a trap line -- I mean, the trappers

5 would use also the islands on the river, and I was

6 wondering when you give a license for trapping, a

7 trapping area, do you include also the licenses

8 of -- I mean, the rivers on -- sorry, the islands

9 on the river?

10 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Generally, yeah.

11 The trap line boundaries will generally be

12 one shore or the other. And they can trap any land

13 that they have permission for within that area. So

14 if it's private land, then they need the permission

15 of the landowner. But if it's Crown land, then

16 they can trap it.

17 MS. BEAUDET: I'd like a side question with

18 BC Hydro, then. When you determined the percentage

19 of the trap line that is lost by the flooding of

20 the river, did you also calculate in the hectare

21 number, of the islands?

22 MR. STEVE NICOL: Steve Nicol.

23 Yes, we did. It's based upon the reduction

24 or the overlap between the project activity zone

25 and the territory of the trap line, was based upon

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1 the total area of the trap line, so that would

2 include the islands.

3 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you.

4 We had several presentations concerned with

5 the change in the bag limits or the catch or -- in

6 terms of the judgment passed by BC Hydro from their

7 analysis, saying that there'll be no effect because

8 the bag limits would be taken into consideration,

9 of course, you know, the population that rises or

10 is lowered. And they were worried about the

11 magnitude of that because -- you say there's no

12 effect because it would be adjusted. But then if

13 you have less number that you can hunt, it is an

14 impact.

15 And I was wondering, first of all, what do

16 you look at when you determine these numbers. And

17 has there been historically big changes that, you

18 know, people would feel the impact? In

19 recent years, of course.

20 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: I'm not sure I understand.

21 Are you asking if the regulation changes over

22 time more generally? Or just bag limits? Or.

23 MS. BEAUDET: Bag limits.

24 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Yeah. Bag limits for all

25 ungulates are one -- no, sorry, that's not true.

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1 It's different for deer. Bag limits for deer are

2 actually quite complicated. But for elk and moose,

3 you know, a licensed hunter can take one per year.

4 The same applies to mountain goat and sheep.

5 In terms of the harvest itself has, you know,

6 fluctuates over time for sure.

7 And, I'm sorry, can I ask for clarification

8 about -- is there something else that's missing

9 from my answer?

10 MS. BEAUDET: Well, if you look, for

11 instance, I think we heard from BC Hydro that there

12 would be, let's say, 25 percent loss of habitat

13 that could affect moose. I don't think it's

14 necessarily the figure, but let's take that as an

15 example.

16 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Okay.

17 MS. BEAUDET: And then hunters -- and also

18 Aboriginal groups would be worried that, you know,

19 the number of moose will go down.

20 Now, we know the moose population is stable,

21 and you said that, you know, there's enough at the

22 moment. But if it does go down, and you can't even

23 hunt a moose per year, or you have to be three

24 hunters for one moose.

25 So, first, how do you determine, you know,

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1 that suddenly you have to go down in the number

2 that you are allowed? Could there be one year you

3 can't hunt moose or you can't hunt elk? To what

4 extent the users of the land could be impacted?

5 I mean, we say, okay, there's no change or

6 there's no residual effects, but to what extent is

7 that true?

8 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Okay. With respect to

9 moose, specifically, we use a regulation for

10 hunting moose that we consider -- we call them

11 "safe regulations" because they are

12 density-dependent.

13 So if there are only a certain proportion of

14 the moose that we have, and it's about 20 percent

15 or so, of the moose that we have on the landscape

16 are vulnerable to harvest, based on the animal

17 configuration they have.

18 If there are fewer moose out there, then

19 there'll be fewer moose vulnerable to harvest, and

20 harvest will go down.

21 If we were to see that, then, it's certainly

22 possible that we would change regulations to effect

23 that.

24 The point that gets asked of me quite

25 commonly is to forecast what that's going to be,

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1 what the appropriate tool is going to be in the

2 future, and that's a difficult question for me to

3 answer.

4 It's somewhat like -- you know, you're trying

5 to build a house and you've got a plan and then

6 somebody comes and says, well, go hammer those

7 boards together, you know, and without really

8 understanding if that's going to be the right tool

9 or not.

10 MS. BEAUDET: Just one more thing on that

11 subject.

12 The regulations will not change, but there

13 was somebody -- I think it was Dr. Nagy who

14 suggested, like, what they do in the Northwest

15 Territories, that they can have a limited number

16 for certain years with the tag, that you can't hunt

17 more than this or that when there's an influx of

18 population.

19 And so, let's say, the people that do come in

20 are restricted more than the users of the land or

21 any other proposal that would sort of counteract

22 the possible effect. Have you envisaged that?

23 Have you ever done it here?

24 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Differentiate between local

25 people from British Columbia?

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1 MS. BEAUDET: Yes.

2 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: No, we don't. We

3 differentiate between a resident of British

4 Columbia and someone who is not a resident, but we

5 don't differentiate between the residents.

6 You know, a moose licence or an elk licence,

7 you can go into, you know, any Service BC or any

8 sport store, most Wal-Marts, buying an elk licence

9 or a moose licence, and it's good wherever there is

10 a season in BC.

11 MS. BEAUDET: Regarding the moose that are

12 infected, and that we heard from the Aboriginal

13 groups, you had brought some documents. And I

14 don't think you gave them to us. I think they are

15 not on the Registry.

16 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Around the health?

17 MS. BEAUDET: Around the health of the

18 moose. And I was wondering if you could give that

19 to the Secretariat. Maybe you don't have it today.

20 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: For sure. Yeah, I certainly

21 can.

22 I believe I forwarded them to Gelita, to the

23 Secretariat.

24 MS. BEAUDET: Oh, okay. Because we tried

25 to look at the documents, and we didn't have them.

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1 So I thought -- okay. If you've done it, it's

2 okay.

3 Maybe we can -- my last point was on

4 watershed restoration. We've heard several

5 presentations trying to explain to us how it should

6 be done and what should be preserved and it should

7 be a rallying concept, you know, for the problems

8 that you have with all the different industries

9 here.

10 And I believe -- I don't know if it's

11 Minister of Environment or your Ministry, but you

12 do have quite a lot of involvement in watershed

13 restoration, and I was wondering how you function

14 when you have a huge project adding to the other

15 local industry that is happening here?

16 Do you have any strategy with respect to

17 Site C concerning watershed restoration?

18 Do you intend to look at all the different

19 planning tools that exist here on the land?

20 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: I don't think I'm the person

21 to answer that.

22 MS. BEAUDET: Okay.

23 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: That may be a Ministry of

24 Environment question. I'll confer with the people

25 here, and get back to you.

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1 MS. BEAUDET: Yes, please. Thank you.

2

3 UNDERTAKING 90: Provide the source of information for

4 the study within the land and resource management

5 planning boundary for Dawson Creek and how far back

6 that information goes

7

8 THE CHAIRMAN: You have a point, I think,

9 probably on what was just being talked about?

10 MR. JASON LEE: Yes, I do. Thank you, panel.

11 And Jason Lee, my instructor at the Treaty 8

12 Tribal Association.

13 So in regards to trapping, and the question

14 about trapping, to FLNRO and to the proponent,

15 BC Hydro, was the panel aware that although there

16 is the provincial trap line system, Treaty 8 First

17 Nation members, throughout the Treaty 8 Territory,

18 which makes up a third of this Province, do not

19 require a trapping licence to trap in the Treaty 8

20 Territory.

21 And so although some members and communities

22 do participate in the provincial trapping system,

23 members, any member, can trap anywhere. So was

24 that taken into the assessment when you asked that

25 question about the islands?

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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, we are certainly aware

2 of that.

3 MR. JASON LEE: Okay. Thank you.

4 The second question I -- a point I would just

5 like to make is when you asked Mr. Addison about

6 moose and moose harvest, you did mention First

7 Nations. I didn't hear in that response how it's

8 taken into account the First Nations moose hunt

9 considerations? Was that answered? Or did I

10 miss --

11 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Addison?

12 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: No, I didn't.

13 Currently, we consider that we have a

14 sufficient surplus, you know, on broad spatial

15 scales, especially to meet the Aboriginal need.

16 What we do is consider that -- and this is

17 another question that has come up quite a bit, is

18 this issue of how do we assess what a community

19 needs to meet their Aboriginal Right? And that's a

20 complicated question. And we're just starting to

21 have that conversation with communities now. It's

22 more than a number.

23 And it's, you know, how we assess it today is

24 that we have this fairly restricted harvest for

25 licensed hunters. And then the Aboriginal hunt is

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1 essentially unrestricted. They have access to the

2 whole population of moose over the whole year.

3 Certainly, you know, recognizing that, you

4 know, I -- I do hear that they are -- you know,

5 there are individuals at least who have -- you

6 know, who bring to my attention to this perceived

7 decline in moose populations. We need to be

8 thoughtful about how we address that in the future.

9 So the -- you know, over the coming year or

10 so, I'm expecting to have a fairly in-depth

11 conversation about Treaty 8 needs.

12 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Lee, one gap in the

13 system that I think I've been hearing is that there

14 is incomplete data about the Aboriginal take, which

15 needs to feed into the demographic of the moose

16 population.

17 MR. JASON LEE: M'mm-hmm.

18 THE CHAIRMAN: Treaty 8 is alive to that

19 proposition, or problem?

20 MR. JASON LEE: It is, yes. And that is an

21 outstanding question.

22 And, as I mentioned the other day, I have

23 been in this position full time since 2004. And

24 this question has been asked and requested over

25 the years since I've been there by the Treaty 8

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1 communities, and still it has not been answered or

2 addressed with the communities. We're hopeful in

3 the future our government will sit down and have a

4 that dialogue. But as to my recollection, there is

5 no data on that.

6 Thank you.

7 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you.

8 MR. JASON LEE: Now, I do have two questions

9 for FLNRO in regards to our conversation the other

10 day, and I thought today would be the day to ask

11 those two. Should I wait for that, or could I ask

12 them now?

13 THE CHAIRMAN: No, you're there, carry on.

14 MR. JASON LEE: Okay. So two, quick

15 questions.

16 I'm aware, and we're aware, and we mentioned

17 the other day the collaring project. And I talked

18 about how Treaty 8 had been involved in the

19 consultation for that permit, and also in the study

20 design; although, they tried early on to be

21 involved.

22 I know there was collaring was done and there

23 was line transects done throughout Stage 2, but I'm

24 wondering at any time did BC government or the

25 proponent -- I've heard about FLIR -- no, I'm not

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1 an expert on that, but that's using infrared,

2 forward-looking infrared image scanning. And I'm

3 just wondering did the proponent ever consider that

4 or do that for this project, for the islands or the

5 studies?

6 THE CHAIRMAN: That's a factual question?

7 MS. SIOBHAN JACKSON: I need Mr. Simpson to come

8 and respond to that. He's here somewhere.

9 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: In advance of that, I might

10 be able to address it. This use of FLIR is not

11 currently within the accepted protocols of the

12 British Columbia; mainly, because we don't know how

13 to index it. Like, we know that regardless, you're

14 not going to see 100 percent of animals in your

15 scanning area. And we don't know how to index that

16 to what the actual population is.

17 THE CHAIRMAN: I suppose it's difficult to

18 tell an elk from a moose, too, with a FLIR

19 instrument.

20 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: It can be, yeah.

21 THE CHAIRMAN: Can you comment on that?

22 MR. KEITH SIMPSON: Yes. I think the question

23 was had used or considered using infrared imaging

24 for doing surveys?

25 MR. JASON LEE: For this project.

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1 MR. KEITH SIMPSON: No, it's not required. The

2 visibility of the animals is high enough in this

3 area that it's quite easy to do a standard survey.

4 MR. JASON LEE: So it was not done?

5 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Lee, your second

6 question.

7 MR. JASON LEE: Yes. That's regards to -- we

8 had a lot of dialogue about grizzly bears in the

9 past week, and I know you've heard this a lot.

10 So when Mr. Addison was here last week -- and

11 just paraphrasing -- he talked a bit about the Fort

12 St. John area, and not wanting grizzlies really in

13 this area. We talked a bit about -- he talked a

14 bit about the management unit where they are

15 currently, quotation marks, "considered

16 extirpated."

17 I did have dialogue with the staff who

18 originally were tasked many years ago, and I

19 believe it was Tony Hamilton, at that time about

20 saying -- looking into the grizzly bear population

21 of that management unit. My understanding was

22 there was no field research ever done to come up

23 with that decision.

24 In our experience at Treaty 8, just saying

25 they are extirpated has become more of a problem

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1 and that's because it's allowed a lot of activities

2 to go on in that area that may have not in the past

3 because the understanding is there is no grizzly

4 bears. So I understand there was no actual field

5 research done to make that decision.

6 What I'd like to ask Mr. Addison is I know

7 Treaty 8 First Nation communities, members, Elders,

8 and Chief and councils have raised this for a long

9 time about their understanding that there is a

10 population there, and there is, you know, a lot of

11 sightings by grizzly bears. I received the

12 pictures anywhere from April all the way -- I have

13 pictures up until December of grizzly bears within

14 this area.

15 I also heard from the proponent for -- that

16 they mentioned -- that they talked about when they

17 were in Doig that it was the FLNRO office that had

18 not recommended or didn't think there needed to be

19 a study of grizzly bears, but I know the

20 communities have raised that with government.

21 So how was that taken into consideration by

22 FLNRO and the ecologists in the office when they

23 were hearing from the Treaty 8 First Nations that

24 there should be a grizzly bear study; was that

25 considered?

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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Addison?

2 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: There are -- a "grizzly bear

3 study" is a pretty loose term. I'm not exactly

4 sure what the specifics of that would be.

5 If we were to do a population assessment --

6 and, again, we know that there are bears in there.

7 In the spring, when a grizzly bear walks by a

8 school bus stop, I'll certainly hear about it. And

9 those are fun, fun phone calls to have. If we were

10 to do a population inventory within the Peace, it

11 would not be my top priority.

12 We know that the mortality of them is quite

13 high within this region. It's really -- the

14 extirpated applies to a management strategy. We

15 are -- there are only three classifications for,

16 what we call, grizzly bear population units within

17 the Province. And in this case, it's three

18 management units running from the border to about

19 the Halfway River or so.

20 And we have no real intent to manage these

21 grizzly bears like we do in the rest of the

22 province. To have a hunt there, it's just not

23 appropriate for this area.

24 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Lee?

25 MR. JASON LEE: Sorry, I asked about how

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1 Treaty 8 First Nations were considered in that --

2 in the decision not to go ahead with the grizzly

3 bear study, so --

4 THE CHAIRMAN: But we're now getting a

5 little far afield from the Site C question. You

6 may have a --

7 MR. JASON LEE: Okay. It's in regards to

8 those management units in that area.

9 So I guess my understanding that there wasn't

10 a study recommended by FLNRO, or it was recommended

11 they did not require to do a study, but I heard

12 from our communities there should -- there needed

13 to be a study to be done. And I just -- is it all

14 science-based, or does FLNRO consider the Treaty 8

15 First Nations' interests or recommendations? I

16 think that's important.

17 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Addison, do you have

18 further comment on that?

19 MR. CHRIS ADDISON: Yeah, I mean, we would look

20 at it in terms of what the information need was to

21 answer the questions in front of us. And a grizzly

22 bear research program -- you know, I mean, they --

23 they are included as a VC within the EIS. You

24 know, there's -- to say that we need a study of

25 them is a very broad statement, and I don't know --

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1 you know, I wasn't involved in the decision to do a

2 study or not do a study, perhaps Keith can answer

3 that. I see him actually interested in it.

4 MR. KEITH SIMPSON: I think I can clarify what

5 happened with grizzly bears. We did consult with

6 the provincial specialists for grizzly bears, both

7 Tony Hamilton and Matt Austin, and what should be

8 done in this area. They were quite happy with the

9 habitat-based assessment that we did, which was

10 totally consistent with the current assessments

11 that the Province had done for grizzly bears,

12 recognizing that there are very few in the area.

13 And in terms of potentially capturing grizzly

14 bears and collaring them and tracking them in an

15 area like that is a considerable effort involved to

16 capture animals, even in a normal bear population

17 because they are quite widely dispersed, and they

18 don't occur at high densities, even in a healthy

19 population.

20 In an area like this, it would take an

21 extreme effort, months to capture a bear probably,

22 and all you would find out is what we really

23 already know.

24 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Lee, I think we'll call

25 that one there. Thank you very much.

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1 MR. JASON LEE: Okay. Thank you.

2 Mr. Little.

3 MR. JAMES LITTLE: Thanks. I got several

4 points. I appreciate the opportunity.

5 I'm also representing the North Peace Rod &

6 Gun Club also, one of my questions are.

7 Just to -- Chris had talked the other day

8 when they presented that basically how they

9 allocate populations basically, first of all, you

10 have to have a huntable population. First Nations

11 then get the first kick at it, then the rest of us

12 have the opportunity. I just wanted to emphasize

13 that. And we support that.

14 Beyond that, this past weekend we just

15 finished what we have annually, we have a wildlife

16 count. And the Rod & Gun Club plus others in the

17 community go out and that get designated areas to

18 count what's going on out there in terms of

19 critters. So my zone is actually the confluence of

20 the Doig, and my wife and myself did ours on

21 Sunday. And other people did it in the Peace

22 valley, et cetera.

23 I can report to the panel their current

24 information on wildlife populations. In our zone,

25 there's literally no deer left this winter, or at

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1 least not actively operating out in our zone, which

2 we cover 280 kilometres of roads and trails and

3 stuff this past weekend. We saw one mule deer.

4 Last year, we saw 30 whitetails and about the

5 same number of mule deer in our zones that we've

6 had the look at.

7 We also saw -- last year, we saw elk, and we

8 didn't see an elk this year. And we saw three

9 moose, and the moose were -- they looked healthy

10 and everything else, but that's all we saw in our

11 zone for 280 kilometres.

12 The Peace Valley, the people I have talked to

13 there, there's a significant number of moose in the

14 Peace Valley this winter, and also a significant

15 number of both mule and whitetail on the slopes.

16 So this winter it's going to be a winter

17 that's going to prove what we've been talking

18 about.

19 The unfortunate thing is now going forward

20 for the deer, this icing and nice weather we have

21 is going to kill a lot more deer going forward

22 because your predators can take them on pretty

23 good, and we'll probably loose about a half of

24 what's left out there because of predators.

25 And, also, their skins are very thin compared

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1 to moose. They go through the deep snow, or if

2 they get chased out there, they actually literally

3 can bleed to death from cuts they achieve in the

4 snow. So Peace Valley is very important, in this

5 kind of winter.

6 Going beyond that, I want to remind people in

7 terms of the ability to cross the pond when the

8 reservoir is filled.

9 The other day, I was out in the valley, a

10 moose did come across the river, and did quite well

11 on it. This type of winter, where you get

12 freezing, thawing, everything else, and here,

13 steep-sloughing banks, the odds of a moose crossing

14 or an elk or any kind of wildlife is next to

15 nothing. And I've seen in my career, I've seen a

16 lot of critters die in the Pine Pass and that's

17 where the deer try to cross even the Pine River

18 there in the winter, where if they get in the

19 water, they can't get back up on shore, et cetera,

20 they don't make it. And onto the new reservoir

21 regime, there's going to be very little crossing of

22 that.

23 I guess in terms of changing seasons and

24 everything else, we do work with fish and wildlife

25 significantly in terms of providing funds for their

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1 wildlife count, providing funds for expansion of

2 stuff, and have done that along the Peace Valley

3 and wildlife berms, et cetera.

4 So the North Peace Rod & Gun Club do

5 continue, and will in the future continue to work

6 with Chris' group to see that we have a huntable

7 population of all species, even with or without

8 Site C, but we really feel that Site C could be a

9 critical downfall in the number of populations.

10 Thank you.

11 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much.

12 And now I think it's time for lunch. I'd

13 like to thank the panel for the two topics that

14 they covered in some considerable detail.

15 We'll reconvene at 1:30. Thank you.

16

17 (Proceedings adjourned at 11:55 a.m.)

18 (The luncheon adjournment)

19 (Proceedings reconvened at 1:30 p.m.)

20

21 THE CHAIRMAN: Well, good afternoon,

22 everybody. I think most of us are here.

23 Mr. Brian Churchill is our first speaker,

24 and, as he's getting set up, I would like to turn

25 to Hydro, who, I gather, have information on

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1 accidents on roads.

2 MS. SUSAN YURKOVICH: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3 I believe you asked the question of

4 Dr. Badenhorst this morning about motor vehicle

5 accidents statistics in Fort St. John. I'd like to

6 -- Mr. Izett can provide a little bit of

7 information related to that.

8

9 BC Hydro Panel:

10 Susan Yurkovich.

11 Siobhan Jackson.

12 Alex Izett.

13 Trevor Proverbs.

14 Judy Reynier.

15 Bettina Sander.

16 Celesa Horvath.

17 Jeff Lundgren.

18 Brent Mossop.

19 Dave Mormorek.

20

21 MR. ALEX IZETT: Thank you, Ms. Yurkovich.

22 Madam Beaudet, from the information that we

23 have from the Ministry of Transportation and

24 Infrastructure, there has been one fatal injury

25 collision from along Highway 97 from a point

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1 several kilometres east of the 100th Street to

2 about a kilometre and a half west of here at 269

3 Road. That's information from the Ministry's

4 collision information system. There might have

5 been -- sorry, one.

6 SPEAKER: What years?

7 MR. ALEX IZETT: Two thousand -- between 2002

8 and 2011.

9 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Churchill. Welcome.

10

11 Presentation by Mr. Brian Churchill, Peace Conservation

12 and Endowment Trust:

13 MR. BRIAN CHURCHILL: Thank you.

14 My name is Brian Churchill. B-r-i-a-n,

15 C-h-u-r-c-h-i-l-l.

16 First, I would like to acknowledge the

17 traditional territory of several Treaty 8 First

18 Nations, and thank them for sharing.

19 I would like to thank the panel for granting

20 me an opportunity to make this presentation.

21 My wife and I have driven 1,300 kilometres,

22 from Creston, BC to Fort St. John, at our own

23 expense to attend a week of your panel hearings. I

24 would like to say that the only clients I represent

25 are my family and perhaps the public interest.

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1 My personal commitment to volunteer with the

2 Peace Valley Environmental Association and Treaty 8

3 exceeded the useful life of no less than three

4 computers. This commitment has had a significant

5 negative influence on the financial resiliency of

6 our retirement.

7 I am no longer resident of the Peace. I'll

8 get to that later. So I thank you to my many

9 friends and acquaintances in Fort St. John who has,

10 again, made me welcome.

11 I would like to introduce myself.

12 I'm a land owner in the upper Cache Creek

13 within the regional impact area identified by

14 BC Hydro. I'm a businessman holding wood lot 1925,

15 also, in the upper Cache area.

16 I'm a former resident of Hudson's Hope and

17 Fort St. John from 1977 to 2011.

18 I'm a (indiscernible) member of the North

19 Peace Rod & Gun Club.

20 I earned a Bachelor's degree from the

21 University of British Columbia with a dual major in

22 ecology and physical geography.

23 I earned a Master's degree in forestry,

24 forest wildlife from the University of British

25 Columbia.

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1 I was honoured to serve as a school trustee

2 in School District 60, Peace River north, from

3 1998 -- 1988 to 1993, serving both as Chairman and

4 finance Chair.

5 I was honoured to serve as a councillor with

6 the City of Fort St. John from 1995 to 2001.

7 I enjoyed a career as a biologist for the

8 British Columbia Ministry -- Minister of

9 Environment from 1975 to 1997, holding a number of

10 positions as a researcher, MOE regional team leader

11 for the northeast coal project, wildlife habitat

12 enhancement biologist, and regional combined

13 wildlife management and fish wildlife habitat

14 section head for the Peace drainage subcomponent of

15 the Peace region for a decade.

16 I'm a registered professional biologist in

17 the Province of British Columbia, number 128. And

18 currently president of the College of Applied

19 Biologists of BC, the regulatory body for

20 biologists.

21 I've been a principal of Chillborne

22 Environmental, a small consulting company since

23 1997 with a focus on interactions and

24 accommodations of wildlife, primarily ungulates, in

25 response to industrial developments.

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1 In 1998, I teamed with a number of other

2 local persons forming the Peace Habitat and

3 Conservation Endowment Trust facet to promote

4 conservation planning in the Peace low lands.

5 I have a varied project history, as do most

6 consultants, you may be interested to know that my

7 most recent and last major project included

8 submitting a report and being qualified as an

9 expert in the Northern Gateway Joint National

10 Energy Board, Canadian Environmental Assessment Act

11 panel proceedings. My specific focus was caribou.

12 My introduction to the Peace country is

13 similar to many who have drunk from the waters of

14 the Peace, and have been drawn to return as per the

15 Dane-Zaa culture.

16 Coming down the Alaska Highway in 1972 from

17 the north, after several weeks in the mountains of

18 the Muskwa Kechika, I couldn't understand the

19 brilliant, lush agricultural landscape and the

20 valley that suddenly appeared out of the sea of

21 spruce forest that made travel on the Alaska

22 Highway in those days so prolonged, like crossing

23 northern Ontario.

24 To this recent university graduate familiar

25 with the dry Ponderosa ecosystems of southeastern

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1 BC, the lush hillsides of the Peace River Valley

2 were a complete surprise this far north. They

3 spoke of much promise.

4 The northeast coal project provided

5 employment to begin my 35 years of residency in the

6 Peace. I lived initially in Hudson's Hope and

7 commuted to Fort St. John, but I moved to Fort St.

8 John with my family, taking the kind advice to buy

9 a house on one of the few paved streets.

10 Living and working in Fort St. John, I

11 learned the ecological values and functions the

12 valley mostly related to, the warm air flow that

13 creates a microclimate as it flows through the only

14 river valley to breach the Rocky Mountains chain;

15 now, the Peace Reach in the Williston lake.

16 This microclimate, the wildlife, the berries

17 abundant in the valley, the protective pastoral

18 landscape of farms and wildlife formed a personal

19 bond to the values found in the valley.

20 I'm here because I believe socio-economics

21 are not just about the numbers and graphs and

22 models and management plans; they are about

23 individuals, their occupations, investments, and

24 social satisfaction.

25 Those who choose to change their place of

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1 residency for their final resting place, perhaps,

2 easily understand the trade-offs -- understand

3 trade-offs are based on history and on family, on

4 quality of each day, and the comfort for their soul

5 are used in that decision. The place you choose to

6 live is a socio-economic decision.

7 My wife and I invested 35 years of the most

8 productive years of our life in the Peace. We

9 raised our family and formed our lives and dreams

10 in a continuing investment in place in community.

11 Suddenly our mental health would not allow us to

12 live here. The social and economic cost to us of

13 the dark cloud that has hung over the valley.

14 My objective for these hearings I'm going to

15 outline. The information flow has been

16 insurmountable for an individual, and the hearing

17 process has been fatiguing for me. I have respect

18 for the panel's fortitude and forbearance. I will

19 attempt to be concise and talk only about what, I

20 feel, may assist the panel's understanding. I will

21 close with some specific suggestions.

22 I'll address four topics: done deal, style of

23 consultation, the failure of the current Peace

24 mitigation plan, and the opportunity cost of a dark

25 cloud or shadow of the dam.

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1 The done deal, the long-term impact. After

2 30 years since the findings of the BC Utilities

3 Commission, and with continuing statements by the

4 proponent that Site C is shelf-ready, some people

5 and organizations have adopted a mentality that

6 Site C is a done deal.

7 The concerns of individuals and organizations

8 like the Peace Valley Environment Association, the

9 City of Fort St. John, have tended to be dismissed,

10 similar to the stop-the-hearing/start-the-dam

11 sentiment at the time of the BCUC hearings.

12 Without the BCUC, what would have been the

13 cost of Site C to the provincial economy had it

14 been built 30 years ago?

15 We hear much about the need for business to

16 have certainty, a concept I believe has merit.

17 Some level of certainty required by individuals,

18 organizations, business, and government so they can

19 anticipate and plan for the future.

20 Business needs certainty in the rules that

21 support not only their financial datas, but their

22 social licence.

23 Individuals need certainty that they can

24 invest in property, business, and community.

25 Social licence requires the perception of

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1 trust in fairness, transparency, and governance in

2 the best public interest.

3 A 30-year hanging done-deal status for Site C

4 has created uncertainty opportunity costs for

5 agriculture, recreation, conservation, and

6 effective mitigation for existing hydro

7 developments.

8 For example, Peace Habitat and Conservation

9 Endowment Trust Society facet was created by myself

10 and some other concerned individuals, many from the

11 local Rod & Gun Club. The purposes of this society

12 were to initiate habitat conservation projects with

13 other partners and to stimulate conservation

14 planning in action in the Peace lowlands

15 ecosection.

16 Unfortunately, those efforts have been

17 stymied by the perception of Site C being a

18 done-deal. Being in 1998.

19 In most every institution, local and

20 national, as well as individuals, identified that

21 the pending dam would waste their effort of

22 investing either energy or funding in projects in

23 the Peace lowlands; the most valuable and diverse

24 ecosystem in the region.

25 The substantive absence of meaningful

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1 dialogue and presence by the proponent in the three

2 decades following BCUC hearings fundamentally

3 implies the corporation has the right to Site C,

4 and, further, that such review, as your panel, is

5 perfunctory and perhaps unnecessary.

6 Much of the frustration in the region comes

7 from the projected attitude that Site C is a

8 done-deal. This perception has significantly

9 impaired the management of the valley and

10 associated resources.

11 Just try to develop a wildlife viewing

12 strategy, off-road vehicle management,

13 recreation-based business. These issues would not

14 be dealt with by the authorities because Site C was

15 perceived to be a done-deal.

16 Has the done-deal mentality led to minimizing

17 the scope of assessments and significance that the

18 proponent has chosen? Could the assumptions of

19 outcome flavour the process?

20 It would decrease values in both financial

21 and social licence terms, lubricating the way for

22 the project.

23 To me, the done-deal mentality certainly

24 appears to have had some impact on current day

25 short-term values that are used for the new

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1 baseline.

2 The economic axiom of resource certainty

3 (sic) indicates the abundant resources have less

4 value than scarce ones.

5 I need to repeat that.

6 The economic axiom of resource scarcity

7 indicates that abundant resources have less value

8 than scarce ones. So if an ecosystem, a soil, or a

9 desirable landscape becomes scarce or is perceived

10 to be scarce, its value increases.

11 So industrial envelopment is having a

12 cumulative impact on environmental resources and

13 social well-being in the assessment area, the less

14 impact the resources in the Peace Valley increase

15 in value.

16 The greater the region cumulative and social

17 impacts, the higher the value in keeping them

18 intact in the Peace Valley, contrary to the

19 perceived decrease in value from the done-deal

20 mentality.

21 A sentiment, apparently, shared by 1,000

22 people who participated in the Paddle for the Peace

23 in 2012. However, the done deal is not necessarily

24 done. And in the David and Goliath type situation,

25 the PVA and the people of Treaty 8 First Nations

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1 have raised, approximately, half a million dollars

2 in donations and contributions in excess of that

3 for volunteer efforts, all to try and provide the

4 panel with enough information to understand that

5 Site C is not a done deal, nor in the public

6 interest.

7 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Churchill, could I get

8 you to move your mic a little closer. Thank you.

9 MR. BRIAN CHURCHILL: Thank you.

10 I want to talk about the style of

11 consultation. People tend to react based on

12 experience. I cannot remember when the proponent

13 ever accepted that it did not have the best

14 perspective or the correct interpretation.

15 The scepticism of many of the participants in

16 this hearing to the Proponent's intentions or

17 undertakings are not a matter of trust. It's a

18 reaction to experience.

19 The proponent has undertaken two

20 highly-structured consultation processes since 2010

21 that I have been involved in.

22 The Oxford dictionary online has a definition

23 of "consult". It's a verb to be used with an

24 object:

25

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1 "To seek advice or

2 information from, or ask guidance

3 from. Or to refer to for

4 information. Or to have a regard

5 for a person's interest,

6 convenience, et cetera, in making

7 plans."

8

9 For me, the proof is in the pudding. As I

10 sat with this panel for the past week, I did not

11 get the impression there was a surplus of people

12 that felt consultations met those definitions.

13 Not only the information provided appeared to

14 promote the project, but the formats appeared to

15 divide the consultees -- I'm not even sure if

16 that's a word -- into separate sessions to prevent

17 reasonable discussion.

18 Furthermore, the consultations were heavily

19 managed and perceived to be less than transparent.

20 As any recording of the proceedings was prohibited,

21 and only summaries, not transcripts, were produced

22 later.

23 Invitations to a number of business

24 consultation sessions were apparently restricted in

25 secret. Consultation with special interest groups

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1 were restricted to no observers and lacked

2 transparency.

3 Frustration levels at the open house

4 consultation sessions were high, as information

5 provided by the consultees, at one, were not

6 included in successive ones. Errors were common.

7 Such things as obvious, primary roots were

8 often misidentified or non-identifiable, and often

9 the presenter's knowledge was restricted only to

10 the presentation materials. This for a project

11 that had been shelf-ready for three decades.

12 Suffice to say, I doubt that anyone was

13 satisfied with the consultation, satisfied that the

14 consultation session sought advice or information

15 or guidance, gathered insufficient information, or

16 had a regard for the interests of attendees. The

17 proponent, however, seemed -- deemed the

18 consultation to be successful.

19 My comments on mitigation and compensation

20 programs. My comments made apply to mitigation and

21 compensation programs in general, but are

22 experiences with Peace-Williston for fish and

23 wildlife only. I have looked at the EIS

24 guidelines, and their requirements for mitigation.

25 I believe the panel has heard that the

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1 mitigation and compensation proposals are not

2 specific enough, that their effectiveness has not

3 been assessed in any rigorous fashion.

4 The funding level is not proposed in the EIS.

5 It was revealed at the hearings this week -- I

6 guess it's last week, rather than being documented

7 in the EIS that at least in the mitigation fund for

8 agriculture is not based on analysis of

9 effectness (sic) or cost, but on a model of the

10 value of today's agriculture effort.

11 I note that in the 2008 report for the

12 Columbia Fish and Wildlife Compensation Program

13 identifies a process of mitigation, planning, being

14 undertaken retroactively.

15 A suite of different terrestrial ecosystem

16 impacts are associated with the construction of

17 BC Hydro dams on the Columbia Kootenay river

18 system, from an ecological perspective, these

19 include loss of habitat or ecosystems, loss of

20 connectivity between remaining ecosystems, loss of

21 associated wildlife populations, and loss of

22 associated productivity related to those

23 ecosystems.

24 The Fish and Wildlife Compensation Program is

25 conducting a multiphase project to evaluate the

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1 footprint impacts of BC Hydro developments within

2 the basin by determining extent of habitat, primary

3 productivity, and fish and wildlife community

4 changes that result from dam construction.

5 The footprint impacts project will provide a

6 baseline understanding for the amount, location,

7 and significance of ecosystem impacts of dam

8 footprints in the Columbia basin, as well as assist

9 the Fish and Wildlife Compensation Program to

10 develop, prioritise, and monitor compensation

11 projects. This is from Oszik v. Hope (phonetic)

12 2008. I can supply that reference.

13 To hands-on biologists like myself, this

14 sounds suspiciously like a cumulative and

15 comprehensive assessment of where and possibly how

16 to design a mitigation program.

17 This 2008 project was reporting out during

18 the time that the proponent was keeping Site C

19 shelf-ready and preparing information for the EIS.

20 The EIS did not include similar studies and

21 would appear a similar project would have greatly

22 added in this assessment.

23 For some projects in the Peace-Williston

24 program have had the support at these proceedings

25 concerns have been expressed about the overall

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1 program and no measure or assessment of the

2 programs will lead to mitigate or compensate for

3 the losses has been identified.

4 The Williston program clearly does not

5 acknowledge downstream effects as it confines

6 projects to the watershed above Peace Canyon,

7 including virtually any relevance to the lower

8 Peace River communities, and even Hudson's Hope.

9 As a result of my tenure on the wildlife

10 advisory committee, I can testify that it was

11 identified that, for many species, many of the most

12 effective projects were downstream.

13 The terms I reference certainly impedes

14 wildlife and fisheries management in the lower

15 Peace River Valley, and frustrates the

16 effectiveness of trying to mitigate the impacts of

17 the existing dams.

18 Further, I'd note the proposed Peace

19 Williston Columbia fish and wildlife programs

20 started in operation, approximately, at the same.

21 1992.

22 I note that the Columbia basin and Peace

23 basin developments are somewhat similar. And what

24 is not similar is the mitigation and compensation

25 programs where the expenditure in the Columbia

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1 basin projects, I believe -- and this is very

2 difficult information to get -- are in the order of

3 55 million, a magnitude higher than what's been

4 expended in Williston.

5 However, I believe the example of the

6 Columbia Basin Trust model, which is not a BC Hydro

7 compensation program, where the objectives are

8 controlled by the effective communities has been

9 somewhat more successful.

10 You have been advised that BC Hydro programs

11 have been changed last year in the direction of the

12 Columbia Basin Trust model. This is positive,

13 however, I believe as long as the corporate

14 interests of the proponent set the parameters for

15 the program, it will continue to be unacceptable,

16 inefficient, and not mitigate effectively the

17 impacts.

18 The dark cloud or the shadow of the dam.

19 This is my last point.

20 I believe that BC Hydro does not believe the

21 dark cloud over the valley and the shadow cast by

22 the dam proposal is real. I know of no way of

23 illustrating this but through discussing personal

24 impacts. Despite my bull-of-the-north reputation

25 and somewhat fragile, as you've seen, and I ask

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1 your understanding if I have some difficulty with

2 this topic.

3 We professionals try to think in sterile

4 terms like opportunity cost or analysis of cost

5 benefit. But I'd like to think -- like you to try

6 and think of it in terms of hopes and dreams.

7 Think about the young person wanting to

8 practice horticulture as a common dream. If you

9 live in the BC Peace, that dream is squashed by the

10 potential inundation in the valley, or when the

11 proponent decimates the community of south Taylor.

12 This community was eviscerated by BC Hydro land

13 acquisition to prevent liability when the ice jams

14 formed, from their unwillingness to reduce

15 generation under ice forming conditions.

16 It is no coincidence, and not even market

17 forces that there's no horticulture in the valley.

18 [Indiscernible], a huge attraction to

19 resulting Taylor RV park or perhaps more it's a

20 lack of access to the river environment elsewhere.

21 I want to talk about -- to the panel about

22 how the dark cloud and shadow of the dam has

23 affected the mental state of many of us.

24 I believe that I represent a number of

25 people, some who are incapable of expressing their

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1 sentiments, some who are not mentally able to

2 withstand being here. I personally know of a

3 number of people who could not appear and speak to

4 you because the impact on their personal well-being

5 and the outlook of the dark cloud on this proposal

6 has had, day after day, year after year, for

7 30 years. They cannot speak to you about their --

8 as their dark places are too large. My list

9 includes residents of the valley, past and present.

10 People with personal or family trauma as a result

11 of upstream dams, people affected by the

12 acquisition programs, and First Nations people

13 whose culture is threatened.

14 I lived on the 269 Road, and was constantly

15 in contact with the valley. Our family investment

16 in the community was huge.

17 For a decade or two, we ignored the prospect

18 of Site C, but two issues drove it to the

19 forefront, and the hole in the dam was the start.

20 My wife was teaching at Taylor Elementary.

21 She was put in the position of being prepared to

22 rush her students out the door and make them climb

23 the Taylor hill on 20 minutes notice while being

24 responsible for their well-being from the crisis of

25 the hole in the dam.

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1 Then, for both of us, there was the

2 consultation, the frustration, the facilitators,

3 not even being able to locate the 269 Road on a

4 map, assuring us there would not be traffic

5 increase there, even when the written material said

6 opposite.

7 The lack of recognition in the consultation

8 that the already-limited health, culture, and

9 community services in Fort St. John.

10 Then came the secret drill rigs across the

11 street and other unexplained activities by the

12 proponent.

13 These incidents, combined with our frequent

14 recreation in the valley, in my respect for its

15 unique biological values could not be replaced,

16 worked on us day-by-day, week-by-week,

17 year-by-year. We became irritable, unsettled,

18 lacking in purpose. Instead of planning and

19 looking forward to our retirement years, we began

20 to worry that community wouldn't support us, that

21 the social network of long-term families would

22 disappear with the overwhelming influence of

23 construction camps and crime. Both of us began to

24 have physical anxiety issues.

25 I don't know who was more surprised: our

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1 friends or ourselves, when we quickly decided that

2 the shadow had threatened our health and future so

3 much, and we had to leave.

4 We moved to Creston. Ironically, there

5 appears to be more access to socio-services in

6 Creston, one of the smaller isolated communities in

7 the Kootenays, the size of Chetwynd, than in Fort

8 St. John. We will make a new life there, but, in

9 our hearts, we will grieve for our Peace River

10 home.

11 And there are some people with the fortitude

12 of Charles Steiner who can dream and overlook the

13 shadow of the dam, but they are in the minority.

14 The shadow is real, and results from the dark cloud

15 that has impacted the values in this assessment.

16 I want to tell you that I believe the Site C

17 project is not acceptable because the need for

18 Site C is both exaggerated and additional

19 generation needs can be met by more incremental

20 sustainable and cost-effective projects.

21 The agricultural valleys in the Peace River

22 Valley for future food security are a greater

23 legacy than electric generation of Site C.

24 The ecological values in the valley are

25 critical to the ecological sustainability in this

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1 region already overstressed by cumulative

2 industrial development.

3 I would submit that you might consider the

4 following issues in your consideration of this EIS.

5 The done-deal perception has acted against

6 the public interest. And this is in light of a

7 conflict between testimony of severity of potential

8 impacts and the proponent studies.

9 The cumulative effects analysis failed to

10 consider sufficient residual effects of the

11 opportunity cost in maintaining shelf-ready Site C,

12 and is faulty.

13 The Proponent's estimate of compensation and

14 mitigation programs do not meet the terms of

15 reference. They lack adequate specifics to

16 identify the funding required or the effect --

17 efficacy of the proposed and potential measures.

18 The compensation proposals lack the

19 information and technical details at this point.

20 Lacking the information and technical details at

21 this point likely do not allow the panel to have

22 the assurance that the required standards of

23 mitigating or compensating the impacts will meet

24 the public interest mandate.

25 Compensation and mitigation programs need to

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1 be at arm's-length with the Proponent's role being

2 advisory. While it is responsible for the

3 proponent to identify and fund mitigation programs,

4 once the fund amounts for these projects are

5 established, the proponent has, I believe the term

6 is, "dirty hands" in the administration of these

7 funds. The transparency, the information, the

8 programs they provide, and their efficacy cannot be

9 trusted.

10 Your panel has identified the shortcomings of

11 the Environment Impact Assessment. It has failed

12 to have identified or assessed the number of

13 significant issues in scope or, in fact, at all.

14 However, the proponent has stated its budget,

15 established more than two years ago, is adequate to

16 cover all these contingencies. Either budget was

17 grossly inflated or the budget, like others

18 worldwide, will be significantly exceeded, as you

19 had earlier heard from Dr. Sandra Hoffman.

20 The dark cloud over the valley or the shadow

21 of the dam deemed insignificant by BC Hydro has

22 hugely impacted the agricultural community and

23 social fabric of the north Peace.

24 The cumulative effects of other regional

25 development on ecological, social, and community

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1 values are so great that the combined additional

2 effect of Site C project on a combination of

3 ecological, social, and community values will be

4 the straw that breaks the environmental back. This

5 project has a combined impact greater than the sum

6 of a number of impacts by working in combination.

7 This combination includes an overall impact

8 that is significant, but has been deemed

9 insignificant by the proponent. The level of

10 cumulative impact is unacceptable and contrary to

11 the public interest, and I believe the intent of

12 the environmental assessment.

13 I thank you. And I apologize.

14 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Churchill.

15 Do my colleagues have any questions? Or are

16 there questions from the floor?

17 I see one.

18 MR. KEN FOREST: Ken Forest, landowner.

19 A question for BC Hydro. Has BC Hydro

20 undertaken a review and an in-depth look at the

21 community structures and the social structures that

22 have been around here, and what to expect from

23 those structures once the dam is in place?

24 I'm not sure if you understand the question.

25 THE CHAIRMAN: I'm not sure it's closely

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1 related to what Mr. Churchill said.

2 MR. KEN FOREST: So that it was a social

3 structure and a community set of dynamics in Fort

4 St. John over the last number of decades and years

5 and even up until now, and I would expect that a

6 magnitude dam this size and the camps and

7 everything else that are going to come here, the

8 impact on the area will change some of that.

9 Has Hydro looked at the potential changes for

10 those, and described what there can be expected

11 from those?

12 THE CHAIRMAN: Hydro?

13 MS. SIOBHAN JACKSON: I hope this answers your

14 question.

15 In the EIS, we have provided detailed

16 estimates of the expected size of the workforce and

17 where they might reasonably be living, either in a

18 camp as mobile workers, or as new residents in the

19 community. We've looked -- the assessment looks at

20 the recent -- I say "recent," sort of ten years

21 historical trends, for example, on the existing

22 mobility of the region with respect to the

23 population. The in-migration and out-migration.

24 And we've looked at the project numbers in those

25 contexts.

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1 So across all of the assessment areas on the

2 socio-economic, there are historic trends that are

3 able to provide some context. And that context has

4 been considered in the assessment, if that answers

5 your question.

6 MR. KEN FOREST: So within that context -- one

7 of my concerns, for instance, would be during the

8 EIS, when I was here, I was looking around the room

9 at a large number of people that I knew that had

10 been here for many decades, like myself. And

11 there's a huge chunk of the community structure

12 here. They are in leadership positions, they take

13 on community organizations, they belong to so many

14 of the infrastructure of the community, and they

15 really do help to run this place. And most of

16 those people would leave.

17 I'm wondering if you've taken a look at how

18 that structure would change if Hydro came in, and

19 we had people parachuting in and parachuting out

20 and not a really long stable kind of social

21 dynamic, the way we've had it in the last number

22 of years. That's the kind of question --

23 THE CHAIRMAN: Sir, I would take that as a

24 representation, as an argument.

25 MR. KEN FOREST: Right.

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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you.

2 MR. KEN FOREST: Thank you. That ends my

3 comment.

4 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you.

5 Ms. Culling.

6 MS. DIANE CULLING: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

7 I know you'll be delighted to know that I

8 have two clear concise questions. I certainly am

9 delighted.

10 So for Mr. Churchill, this morning there was

11 a conversation about the tourism potential of the

12 -- and the effects from the project. So -- and I

13 believe one of the panel members asked about parks,

14 which were brought up.

15 And so drawing on your experience as in the

16 decades of working with the Ministry of Environment

17 here, could you identify some of the tourism

18 opportunities within the project area that are not

19 currently realized due to the flood reserve

20 superseding existing reserves like (indiscernible)

21 reserves that would -- could contribute to the

22 growth of the tourism resource in the region if

23 Site C doesn't go ahead?

24 MR. BRIAN CHURCHILL: Yeah, there's actually quite

25 a list of facilities because there is only one.

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1 There's only the lookout at Attachie. There's no

2 boat launches. There are no trails. There are no

3 pull-outs. There are no places where people can

4 park their cars and go enjoy it. There's no -- all

5 those opportunities are not developed. And they

6 are not developed as was my personal experience in

7 trying to develop wildlife viewing areas in the

8 valley because, well, there's this dam proposal

9 here, and we won't spend any money there.

10 As a provincial government employee, every

11 project they brought up to enhance access to

12 wildlife and access to wildlife viewing, in

13 particular, and a major project going on time.

14 Said, no, you can't go there.

15 THE CHAIRMAN: Follow-up question?

16 MS. DIANE CULLING: Thank you.

17 And so my second question -- and you gave me

18 a segway here -- was drawing on your career as a

19 Ministry wildlife biologist, can you comment on the

20 importance of that drive on Highway 29 for

21 wildlife-viewing opportunities with specific

22 reference to moose and the importance of seeing

23 moose to both international and national visitors?

24 MR. BRIAN CHURCHILL: Well, as a wildlife person --

25 and this is not the wildlife session, but it is

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1 really interesting.

2 If you talk to any of the multitude of

3 tourists -- and I think it's about 300,000 that go

4 up the Alaska Highway every year -- their trip is

5 enhanced by the sighting of a single moose in the

6 entire trip going up and down.

7 To give the significance of the valley, I had

8 the opportunity to host the Habitat Conservation

9 Trust Fund board at a meeting here in Fort

10 St. John. And I arranged a trip up to Hudson's

11 Hope, and actually up to Dunlevy on the other side

12 of -- in the WAC Bennet dam, for these members of

13 the board.

14 Now, this is the Habitat Conservation Trust

15 Fund, the one that administers several million of

16 dollars of primarily hunter and fishermen's money

17 to do enhancement projects and manage wildlife in

18 the Province. That board in that trip in that

19 little bus saw moose, saw mule deer, saw stone

20 sheep at Williston Reservoir, and the comment to me

21 and feedback to me from the executive director of

22 the board was in all the tours in all of British

23 Columbia, the board had never seen half that much

24 wildlife.

25 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much,

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1 Mr. Churchill.

2 MS. DIANE CULLING: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3 THE CHAIRMAN: Our next presentation is, I

4 gather, by telephone due to fog in Lower Mainland.

5 MR. BEN NAYLOR: Good afternoon, Mr. Chair,

6 panel members.

7 Again, my name is Ben Naylor. I'm legal

8 counsel for the Province of British Columbia.

9 Yes, as you have stated, the next

10 presentation is going to be given by one Kristy

11 Ciruna. Unfortunately, the weather has conspired

12 to keep her from us in person; however, I believe

13 she is on the line, or shortly will be.

14 Kristy, are you there?

15 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: I am, Ben.

16 MR. BEN NAYLOR: So Kristy is here to

17 speak today about cumulative effects assessment and

18 management in Dawson Creek operational;

19 specifically, the Dawson Creek operational trial.

20 Kristy is the director of strategic projects in

21 northeast region for the Ministry Of Forests, Lands

22 and Natural Resource Operations.

23 Unfortunately, Ms. Ciruna does not have

24 specific knowledge as to Site C project itself;

25 however, at the request of the panel, she is here

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1 today to present the information that the Province

2 does have on cumulative effects in the region.

3 And so, Kristy, I'll just mention that Mark

4 is here to operate the PowerPoint presentation for

5 you, so if you'd like us to move to the next slide,

6 just please indicate that.

7 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Great. Thank you, Ben.

8 MR. BEN NAYLOR: Without further adieu,

9 I'll leave it in your hands.

10

11 Presentation by Dr. Kristy Ciruna, Ministry of Forests,

12 Lands and Natural Resource Operations:

13 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Thank you, Ben.

14 So, Mark, yes, if you could please advance to

15 slide 2.

16 So I'm here to talk about -- thanks, Mark.

17 And thanks for the introduction, Ben.

18 So I'm here to present a cumulative effects

19 assessment management approach, an operational

20 trial that we're undertaking in the Dawson Creek

21 area. And slide 2 portrays the boundary of our

22 study area, so it generally corresponds to the

23 Dawson Creek LRMP area.

24 However, there are cases where this boundary

25 can extend beyond the LRMP due to logical

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1 assessment units associated with some of the values

2 that we're assessing. So, for example, some

3 watershed units that might go slightly outside this

4 boundary, or, for example, northern caribou

5 herds that might extend beyond these boundaries --

6 THE CHAIRMAN: Dr. Ciruna, can I slow you

7 down, please, you are being transcribed.

8 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Yes. Thank you.

9 So for caribou herd units that might extend

10 beyond this boundary, but we want to contain the

11 full extent of that assessment unit.

12 And I also want to note that the assessment

13 units were truncated when it extended -- when it

14 extended past and into the Alberta border. We're

15 hoping that, you know, over time we'll be able to

16 better match information with Alberta to have a

17 seamless transition across the border.

18 This operational trial, this cumulative

19 effects assessment and management operational trial

20 is one of three demonstration projects under way

21 across the Province. The other two are in the

22 northwest and in the Thompson Okanagan region.

23 The focus of this demonstration project is on

24 cumulative effects assessment and incorporating

25 that assessment into decision-making to mitigate

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1 risks through management responses.

2 Next slide, please.

3 This slide provides an overview of the

4 project's approach. Thousands of decisions are

5 made across a natural resource sector every year.

6 Considering only project or sector-specific effects

7 can allow unintended impacts to accumulate over

8 time.

9 This project is taking a values-based

10 approach to cumulative effects assessment and

11 management where we focus on a manageable set of

12 values that are impacted positively or negatively

13 by the decisions.

14 A manageable set of broad values are

15 selected. And cumulative effects assessment

16 considers the impacts of past, present, and

17 reasonably foreseeable future development on each

18 of these values.

19 The information is used to compare the

20 current and near-term condition of each value to

21 its legal or government policy objective as seen as

22 the dashed line in the graph. So we're trying to

23 focus on one -- establishing one common objective

24 to be applied across all natural resource sectors.

25 And then managing cumulative effects involves

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1 designing and implementing strategies to mitigate

2 risk to values applied in a consistent and

3 coordinated way across natural resource sectors.

4 So to meet this challenge this operational

5 trial is exploring ways to look at changing

6 internal government decision-making processes, as

7 required.

8 I would like to take this time to talk about

9 some of the differences between this approach to

10 cumulative effects assessment versus cumulative

11 effects assessment conducted at the project or site

12 level for major projects without undergoing an

13 Environmental Impact Assessment.

14 For our approach, it's the responsibility of

15 government to be undertaking the assessment,

16 whereas, at the project level, Environmental Impact

17 Assessments are the responsibility of the

18 proponent. From our approach, we're using a broad

19 scale sort of area-based multi-sector approach to

20 assessing and management of cumulative effects. So

21 looking at all decisions on the land base and the

22 effect that they have on values, and we're applying

23 strategies to mitigate risk across all the natural

24 resource sectors versus more the classic

25 project-level Environmental Impact Assessment looks

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1 at more site-specific or single-development

2 orientation approach to assessment and management

3 of cumulative effects.

4 So the two complement each other very well

5 and both are needed.

6 Mark, slide 4, please.

7 So this approach provides, what I'd say, a

8 major advance for integrated resource management in

9 British Columbia, including three shifts in

10 decision-making across a natural resource sector.

11 So the shift from a single-sector approach to

12 decision-making to a multi-sector

13 coordinated-area-based approach to decision-making

14 moving from a project focused decision-making to a

15 values-focused approach to decision-making. And

16 moving from reactive to more of a proactive

17 decision-making focus on desired outcomes.

18 It's also intended to support governments --

19 a shift to open government as cumulative effects

20 assessment information is intended to be publically

21 available. So industry will have access to the

22 same information that statutory decision-makers

23 will use in decision-making processes.

24 Proponents will have improved information

25 upfront so they can be proactive in identifying and

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1 addressing cumulative effects, which will help to

2 streamline the authorization and referrals process.

3 And proponents of major projects requiring an

4 environmental assessment certificate will be

5 provided consistent, accessible information for

6 selected values. So information on current

7 condition, near-term trend, risk level, which will

8 increase the effectiveness of current proponent

9 assessments and help to reduce costs.

10 We also hope the intended outcome will be to

11 substantially address First Nations and communities

12 cumulative effects concerns.

13 Slide 5.

14 This schematic gives you a quick sort of

15 schematic illustration of our cumulative effects

16 assessment approach taken in this operational

17 trial.

18 At the top, we have -- it's key to define

19 what values we're using in the assessment, and for

20 each of those values, we conduct an assessment

21 where we assemble information, identify trends, and

22 basically conduct a risk assessment, that we would

23 come up with a cumulative effects assessment and

24 report on that.

25 And then we would take that information and

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1 develop management recommendations as guidance to

2 our statutory decision-makers for, you know,

3 consistent and coordinated management approaches

4 across the natural resource sector.

5 At an operational level, this may be seen as

6 guidance for permit conditions. Or at a more

7 strategic level, we might look at an area where we

8 need to be working with industries, First Nations

9 communities on a management plan for a given

10 watershed where there's high risk. Or looking at

11 access management problems. Or potentially be

12 looking at the level of where a current objective

13 is set for that value, and, you know, where it

14 needs possibly to change based on existing

15 conditions if it's not set in an appropriate place.

16 These are just examples.

17 I want to preface in this operational trial,

18 you know, in the approach that we perceive taking

19 is that, you know, government is leading this work.

20 But we are also working closely with First Nations

21 communities and industry throughout the process.

22 So making the connections to help us define what

23 those values are, what's important, what

24 information we collectively have to support the

25 assessment of those values, working together to

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1 look at a review of those assessments, and to

2 discuss what those management options might be, and

3 where our collective strengths might be in helping

4 to implement those management options.

5 Next slide.

6 So what I'd like to do is in the last few

7 minutes run everyone through just a little bit more

8 detail around the assessment that was done. And

9 starting with the values.

10 So we assessed five values for this

11 operational trial based on the following criteria.

12 Because it's an operational trial, we wanted to

13 make sure that we had -- we could use existing

14 values that were associated, that had existing

15 legal or policy objectives. We wanted to make sure

16 we had values where data was available to be able

17 to measure current condition, that the data was

18 spatially explicit so it could be mapped. We also

19 wanted to look at the values where, you know, they

20 are mutually exclusive of each other.

21 We were interested -- you know, I've

22 highlighted in red, the two values: water quality

23 and air quality. We say that, you know, those two

24 values are really important to assess in terms of

25 cumulative effects assessment. We did not include

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1 them at this time because we currently didn't have

2 the data available in this area to do a proper

3 assessment, but we would like to include it in

4 future assessments.

5 One additional point that I wanted to include

6 around the selection of values is that these are

7 broad values. And we've taken, as well, more of an

8 ecosystem based approach, we'd say, for managing

9 for these values. We understand that there'd be

10 other values that are nested within them, so it's a

11 bit of a coarse-filter/fine-filter approach.

12 So assuming that these nested values, like,

13 where they co-occur within these broader values,

14 they would share common ecological processes and/or

15 threats and we would assume that they would be

16 expected to respond similarly to development

17 pressures, as well as corresponding management

18 actions.

19 And this approach right now is -- which is --

20 you know, it's clearly defined in the literature,

21 coarse-filter/fine-filter. This

22 coarse-filter/fine-filter approach, this helps to

23 maintain a management set of values for assessment.

24 So the next slide just provides everyone with

25 an example of what we mean by, you know, the

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1 concept of nesting of values within these broad

2 values, and this is an example of some of the

3 values that we would say would be nested under the

4 riparian value.

5 So if we're maintaining riparian, if we have

6 these values that are co-occurring, then the fact

7 that we can say we're helping to maintain the

8 condition of these associated values. So things

9 like moose, black-footed green warbler, western

10 toad, bay-breasted warbler, you know, native fish

11 populations, et cetera.

12 The next slide, I just wanted to give

13 everybody a quick overview of the assessment and an

14 example of some of the assessment results. And

15 I've identified -- I wanted to walk people through

16 two values: one is an aquatic and one is a

17 terrestrial example.

18 So the first one on the left is water

19 quantity. So for the value water quantity, we had

20 the objective of limiting water withdrawals to

21 15 percent of monthly average flow. The converse

22 meaning that we want to maintain 85 percent

23 in-stream flow to maintain ecological processes and

24 maintain the environment.

25 So for this objective, our assessment unit

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1 was major watersheds, and we had 15 watersheds

2 identified in the study area as seen on the map.

3 When we assessed current condition of each of

4 these watershed units relative to the objective;

5 overall, the allocation of water was low relative

6 to the objective by a major watershed, but we did

7 note that there was some, you know, localized or

8 temporal over allocations.

9 For near-term trends. We are approaching

10 assessment of near-term trends not from a

11 quantitative approach, by trying to use

12 back-casting or forecasting to identify trends,

13 but, rather, take a more pragmatic approach,

14 looking at a qualitative assessment of the types of

15 industry development in an area, and what are the

16 major development drivers or leading indicators?

17 So for near-term trends around water

18 allocation, we think that the primary water

19 allocation pressure in the near term will be from

20 unconventional, natural gas development.

21 We know right now that market conditions are

22 a suppressing investment, but demand will increase,

23 you know, if pipeline infrastructure is approved.

24 We'd say, based on this information, overall,

25 the assessment of risk to each of those watersheds,

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1 in terms of hitting that objective, is low, a

2 low-risk. And that the anticipated bottoms

3 of withdrawal are very small compared to the amount

4 available in those systems.

5 And also to help to understand the risk, we

6 acknowledge that decisions are currently being made

7 on individual-stream courses, not at this watershed

8 level. So decision-makers are looking at the

9 seasonality of flows, which helps to further

10 minimize risk to over allocation.

11 So our management recommendations would be

12 that, you know, we need to improve the collection

13 of water use data, in addition to water allocation.

14 How much data water is actually being used

15 versus how much is being licensed, to give us a

16 better estimate of what's available, and that we

17 want to continue to support improvement of our

18 water quantity monitoring, as well as flow

19 modelling.

20 So the next example, just to give you a

21 terrestrial example, would be our valued old-growth

22 forest. And we used the objective to retain timber

23 in old-growth management areas except for minor

24 incursions, and it's, like, (indiscernible) percent

25 old-growth management area, less than 50 hectares

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1 or 5 percent. Or 40 hectares for large old-growth

2 management areas, whichever is less. That's a

3 total mouthful, but it's based on the land use

4 order for the Dawson Creek Timber Supply Area.

5 I want to note that there are no old-growth

6 management areas designated in the tree farm

7 licence 48, which is also part of this assessment

8 area.

9 So for current condition, you'll see from the

10 graph that most old-growth management areas have

11 had few incursions since being established in 2009,

12 so the bar on the -- the first bar on the left

13 shows the amount in old-growth management areas

14 that have had no incursion whatsoever.

15 The next bar shows where you've had

16 incursions, but it's still within the acceptable

17 level under the objective, and then there's no

18 incursions that have exceeded the objective.

19 In terms of near-term trends, we know forest

20 activity is stable or even a little bit down. Oil

21 and gas developments declined recently, but it's

22 going to increase if pipeline infrastructure has

23 improved the risk to this valley, we would

24 indicate, overall, across the old-growth management

25 areas as being low to moderate because even minor

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1 development can exceed the allowable incursions.

2 And the legal objectives apply, primarily

3 only to forestry activity, but old-growth

4 management areas are not designated under the Oil

5 and Gas Activities Act, but a process is under way

6 right now to develop operating procedures for oil

7 and gas activities.

8 The other risk is that, you know, for mining

9 exploration and development, it's a potential in

10 old-growth management areas, but we currently do

11 not have a regulatory requirement to meet this

12 objective.

13 So management objectives would be to conclude

14 a process for developing operating practices for

15 oil and gas activities in old-growth management

16 areas, and investigating application of old-growth

17 retention requirements in other sectors.

18 And just to conclude, after that detailed

19 example, I wanted to conclude on next steps for

20 this operational trial. So we're currently closing

21 up the trial for end of this fiscal. And we will

22 be completing a valuation of the trial: lessons

23 learned, what worked? What didn't?

24 We're going to continue to engage, to build a

25 shared understanding and to improve the cumulative

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1 effects assessment and management approach by

2 working with First Nations communities and

3 industry, and, you know, hope to be applying these

4 learnings to cumulative effects assessment and

5 management, you know, as we move forward.

6 Thank you.

7 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Dr. Ciruna.

8 Questions?

9 Madam Beaudet.

10 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

11 Good day. It's a pity that you're not here

12 with us, but we understand why.

13 I have a few questions.

14 First, I'm not sure I understand how you

15 determined the map according to management unit

16 or -- because when we look at it, there's only part

17 of the Dinosaur Lake that is there.

18 So I'd like you to elaborate a bit more on

19 that.

20 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Madam Beaudet, are you

21 referring to slide 2 of the study area?

22 MS. BEAUDET: Yes, please.

23 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Yes, so that's a

24 terrestrial -- that's the boundary of the land and

25 resource management planning boundary for Dawson

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1 Creek. So that is the standard study area.

2 And for the values that we assessed, we know

3 that our assessment units for those values may not

4 follow neatly within the lines of that study area,

5 so they would be -- if they needed to extend

6 outside, they would -- except for when it hits the

7 Alberta border where we didn't carry over into

8 Alberta.

9 MS. BEAUDET: My next question: is the

10 source of information -- I think you mentioned

11 literature -- do you also consult with federal

12 Ministries that would have data on wildlife;

13 provincial Ministries on riparian habitats? How is

14 the information gathered? And how far does it go

15 back? What date do you have with the oldest source

16 of data?

17 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: The oldest sources of data, I

18 would have to go back through our metadata because

19 it would be -- like, I can get back to you with

20 that information because it depends on the data we

21 have for each of the values.

22 MS. BEAUDET: Yes, please.

23 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Okay.

24 MS. BEAUDET: So what are the source of the

25 information? How did you build your bank? And how

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1 do you continue to build a bank, the bank data?

2 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Right. So a lot -- the

3 information that we're using is actually all

4 existing government data. And it's all data that's

5 currently available on -- through our -- our

6 government storing house.

7 And to get specificity, we are working with,

8 through this demonstration project, I'd be working,

9 you know, reaching out to First Nations,

10 communities, and industry, operating in the area to

11 say, you know, if they have some -- where they

12 might have existing information that could bolster

13 our existing datasets. But, right now, it would be

14 on provincially-collected data.

15 And then over time, we would have that

16 information, the vision, is available, open to

17 public so that anybody can look at that data and

18 analyze it the same way that we did, proponents,

19 anybody, public, would have it available to look at

20 how we did the condition, the near term, and the

21 risk assessment. All that information would be

22 publicly available.

23 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you.

24 My next area of questioning is the two types

25 of cumulative effects assessment, you did mention

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1 that what you're doing is government

2 responsibility, and I agree. And for proponent, it

3 would be more specific type of cumulative effects

4 assessment not for a region.

5 When we look -- when you mentioned that you

6 would be advising proponents, who can either use

7 the bank to, I suppose, to prepare EIS or any

8 direction that you would feel is important to --

9 for them to notice. It would be more -- what you

10 have after the fact, when you do -- when the

11 proponent does an Environmental Impact Assessment,

12 it's a planning tool. And if he finds, through his

13 studies or through advice that you give him, that

14 certain things should be looked at more closely, or

15 that he should modify his project because there

16 would be some major impacts.

17 And I'm trying to understand if your role is

18 proactive, or if you just give the information. I

19 know it's a study, but I would like to have

20 some indication in the direction that you will be

21 taking with proponents that have to prepare the

22 Environmental Impact Assessment.

23 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Great question. And I would

24 like to just sort of say that, although, the

25 Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource

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1 Operations is leading this work, we're working at

2 part of an inner-agency team.

3 So we are working closely with the Ministry

4 of Environment, Oil and Gas Commission, Natural

5 Gas, Development, Energy, Mines, Aboriginal

6 Relations and Reconciliation, and Environmental

7 Assessment Office.

8 So we've had many discussions with staff at

9 the EAO on how we can sort of fit these two

10 elements together. And where we see the most

11 interest -- and I think it's quite exciting -- is

12 that what we envision is that this assessment work

13 that's being done for these values, in essence,

14 could be defining what the regional assessment --

15 regional -- what is it called? The regional

16 assessment --

17 MS BEAUDET: (Indiscernible).

18 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: -- area. Correct, for a

19 classic Environmental Impact Assessment so that

20 proponents would have that information to know the

21 regional context, and that they'd have to provide

22 the site specificity.

23 The other area where we think that there's a

24 direct link is that the environmental assessment

25 office is a policy-taker, not a policy-maker. So

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1 they would be looking for direction from government

2 about how -- the vision for this to be successful.

3 And it's rampant in the literature, is that in

4 order to truly address cumulative effects, you need

5 to be managing in a consistent way across the

6 natural resource sector.

7 So we are setting up a process right now

8 where we're looking at establishing, you know,

9 heading towards the establishment of these common

10 objectives for a given suite of values.

11 These values -- or these objectives would

12 then be objectives that we would foresee the EAO

13 adopting to help with their assessment of

14 cumulative effects and guidance to proponents.

15 So those are the two pieces where I see the

16 direct link.

17 MS. BEAUDET: When we look at the region

18 here -- and we received a lot of information from

19 briefs and witnesses that have come to us -- you

20 look at the region, and you feel that they -- in

21 order to go ahead with any more projects, there

22 should first be a strategic environmental

23 assessment done.

24 And I was wondering if -- with all the

25 information that you are gathering, and the

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1 interactions you have with the different proponents

2 and agencies that you consult, if that would be

3 eventually a role that you would take on.

4 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: I think the two -- from my

5 understanding in the literature of reading of a

6 strategic environmental assessment or a strategic

7 regional environmental assessment, this process

8 that we're testing right now and trialing in the

9 Dawson Creek study area is very close to that.

10 And then I would see over time -- I think we

11 can all acknowledge that it being an operational

12 trial, we had to pick, you know, the low-hanging

13 fruit of a set of values where you've got some

14 clear objectives and data to test, but over time,

15 we would be envisioning to expand that list and

16 create more policy objectives to address more

17 values.

18 So I definitely think that that's where

19 you're going with the relationship of this project

20 to that type of work.

21 I think it's hand-in-glove.

22 MS. BEAUDET: My last point would be -- I

23 find it interesting that you are doing input from

24 15 different watersheds. We did have some

25 presentation, trying to indicate to us that there

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1 are lots of land-use planning and all kinds of

2 plans and committees, and the underlying direction

3 should be watershed protection.

4 You have indicated here -- like, for

5 instance, there's a low-risk with water allocation

6 -- sorry, there's a low-risk with the values of

7 location of water and -- in each different

8 watershed. Or forest is low to moderate with what

9 you have at the -- at present.

10 Two questions here: what would be -- what is

11 your role in watershed protection? Do you have --

12 on top of the data, you collect an active role on

13 different committees, or do you plan to have?

14 And, also, I would like to know, you've been

15 talking about water and forests, but you didn't

16 mention anything about priority wildlife.

17 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Correct on that question, I

18 think just for the sake of time. I just gave

19 snapshots of these two values. I can go into more

20 detail on the priority wildlife, if you would like.

21 Coming back to your question around the role,

22 and what we've done currently in watershed plans.

23 The Province of BC does have a very robust

24 land-use planning program where we have established

25 objectives on the land base that, I think, for the

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1 most part define watershed units, and we've set

2 objectives within that, which would be incorporated

3 into this type of project. So we do have a role to

4 play right now, currently, in how we're maintaining

5 values from a watershed perspective.

6 We also have, and will be furthering with,

7 with implementation of the Water Sustainability

8 Act, an interest in water sustainability plans.

9 So those are -- I think those are the two big

10 pieces to best address your question there.

11 I believe that you had a third part that was

12 the second question, and I have already forgotten

13 it. So if you could please repeat, that would be

14 appreciated.

15 MS. BEAUDET: My second question was with

16 respect to priority wildlife.

17 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Priority wildlife, yes.

18 So we assessed a suite of priority wildlife.

19 They were determined where we have objectives right

20 now for wildlife, that has existing wildlife

21 habitat areas, and objectives for wildlife habitat

22 areas, as well as ungulate winter ranges.

23 And, specifically, looking at northern

24 caribou, with the objectives coming out of the

25 northern caribou management plan.

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1 MS. BEAUDET: So only caribou so far was

2 looked at?

3 MS. RENATA KURSCHNER: Caribou and a suite of

4 wildlife species, for right now, where we have

5 objectives related to their core habitat, which

6 would be their ungulate winter ranges, or wildlife

7 habitat areas.

8 So we assessed the percent incursions, the

9 objective was 100 percent intactness of wildlife

10 habitat areas in ungulate winter ranges against

11 those suite of species.

12 Sorry, unfortunately, I do not have that

13 suite of species in front of me, but if you would

14 like more information about the results and what

15 those species were, I could easily provide that to

16 you.

17 MS. BEAUDET: Yes, please.

18

19 UNDERTAKING 91: Provide the suite of species and more

20 information about the results and what the species

21 were in the study

22

23 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Okay. Thank you.

24 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you.

25 MR. MATTISON: Hi Kristy, it's Jim Mattison.

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1 A couple of questions. I'm looking at your

2 map of the study area, the Site C proposals on the

3 Peace River, which is the northern boundary,

4 really, upstream of Taylor there to Hudson's Hope.

5 So we've been looking at that area east of Hudson's

6 Hope and south of the northern boundary of this

7 study area.

8 And one of the -- a couple of issues -- and

9 you just had a request for some of the wildlife --

10 certainly moose has been a big issue for us. And

11 the First Nation use of the land. And one of

12 things you talked about: incursions into wildlife

13 winter range.

14 Disturbances on the land, generally, has that

15 been looked at in any detail? We've seen some

16 alarming maps of -- at a different scale, with

17 different assumptions of the area -- much larger

18 area. But I wondered if you've looked at

19 disturbances to the land? And I'm thinking of

20 roads and seismic cuts and that kind of, you

21 know -- well sites and things that start to cut

22 into the land and provide access for hunters and

23 other vehicles and disturbed wildlife, generally.

24 And I wondered what work might have been done in

25 that area.

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1 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Right. No, a good question, Jim.

2 So what we have done, we have done an

3 assessment of a -- you know, for the incursions

4 layer to look at the development footprint.

5 So, yeah, roads, pipelines whether it's been

6 cutblocks, et cetera. But I think the key thing --

7 and it's interesting when I started the project and

8 I started to grapple with this, the impact is going

9 to -- of those changes to the land base will be

10 different depending on your reference point. So

11 which value?

12 It may not have any effect on water quality,

13 but it might have a huge effect potentially for a

14 priority wildlife species.

15 So that's why, when we're looking at this

16 approach, we've taken a values-based approach in

17 saying, you know, what is the objective -- what is

18 the management objective for that value? And then

19 assessing impact past, present, reasonably

20 foreseeable to be able to get an understanding of

21 current condition, and then do that assessment of

22 near-term trend because it's unique to each value.

23 So we have done the underlying work of what

24 you would, you know, you would generically call

25 those different impact layers, but you've applied

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1 it differently to where it relates to each of the

2 values.

3 And for wildlife, right now, for this

4 demonstration project, we were just looking at the

5 objectives related to wildlife habitat areas and

6 ungulate winter ranges in terms of priority

7 wildlife.

8 MR. MATTISON: Okay, thank you. I

9 understand the approach, and I understand looking

10 at impacts on values.

11 It was our interest in First Nation use of

12 the land; particularly, with respect to wildlife

13 with respect to hunting and areas of importance to

14 First Nations that probably aren't mapped, and

15 don't appear to show up yet as a value.

16 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Right.

17 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. Thank you. Just to

18 quickly -- are you done now with this first shot?

19 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Yes.

20 THE CHAIRMAN: When will it be published?

21 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: So we hope to complete the

22 evaluation, as well as a final, what I would say,

23 draft assessment report by the end of this fiscal,

24 which would be fiscal year, for folks that might

25 not be aware, it's end of March.

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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. And I'm correct in

2 saying that for this first, as it were draft,

3 you've relied entirely on data that other people

4 have collected, and you've done no independent

5 fieldwork; is that correct?

6 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: That's correct. It's

7 existing information, so it's not a -- we have not

8 incorporated information at this time that's down

9 -- at the boots on the ground.

10 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Fair enough.

11 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: However -- okay.

12 THE CHAIRMAN: Well, I understand that for

13 an initial study.

14 On the priority or values, I guess, I don't

15 see anything that would indicate that legal

16 limitations to the use of land, in particular,

17 Treaty Rights was a valued component. Am I

18 understanding Jim's question right?

19 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Okay, I will -- can I reframe

20 what I'm hearing you say is the question?

21 THE CHAIRMAN: Sure.

22 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Are you -- how are Treaty

23 Right -- are Treaty Rights looked at as an explicit

24 value?

25 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, that would be a good way

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1 of putting it.

2 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Okay. So Treaty Rights are

3 something that's negotiated between -- with

4 government-to-government negotiations where, you

5 know, in our work with First Nations on the

6 project, it's acknowledgment that these values,

7 from the values and the condition of these values,

8 you can infer the condition of Treaty Rights but

9 establishing further on the negotiation of those

10 Treaty Rights because a Treaty Right could be --

11 it's not just moose, which might be a priority

12 wildlife value that we can assess current

13 condition, and trend, but it's more, you know, it

14 could be having other factors about, you know, what

15 is the experience of getting to area where moose

16 are, and the experience of the hunting plus the

17 value of the species. So that's a much more

18 in-depth process and conversation that comes out

19 through our specific negotiations and work with

20 First Nations.

21 But where we see the importance is that on

22 the values themselves, like, what's important in

23 terms of the environmental values, we can

24 understand specifically, you know, for priority

25 wildlife, how are they doing? What's the condition

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1 of their habitat. But it's just -- it's part of

2 that question because a Treaty Right is much more

3 than that, and it's hard for us to be able --

4 that's not for us to express, that's for First

5 Nations to express.

6 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you very much.

7 I hesitate to ask if there are any further

8 questions.

9 Tribal Chief Liz Logan from the Treaty 8

10 First Nations.

11 TRIBAL CHIEF LIZ LOGAN: All right. Thanks. You did

12 ask part of my question about how they gathered

13 information. So, Kristy, this was basically a

14 desktop process?

15 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: That's correct. And we've

16 been working with the communities -- we've been

17 working, I say, even more intensely with the

18 communities, with traditional territories within

19 this study area, and I've been working on, and it's

20 going to take a little bit longer a time, but

21 saying how does the information that the

22 communities have currently collected? So they're

23 very -- you know, approaches and their data

24 management and GIS, how can we help to incorporate

25 into this assessment?

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1 So those are relationships right now that

2 we're forming. And, you know, as we move forward,

3 continue to evolve, but that's very much three of

4 our approaches, is working together.

5 TRIBAL CHIEF LIZ LOGAN: Okay. So you're in the

6 process of informing and reaching out, but you

7 haven't got there yet; right?

8 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: I think that we have. I

9 think that this year we've had -- we've been able

10 to engage with -- engage at a high level with all

11 of the 11 Nations in the northeast, and I would say

12 intensively with -- or maybe I shouldn't say

13 "intensively," but working on a regular basis with

14 several meetings that we've had to discuss the

15 process and talk about values and information and

16 get those relationships going with many of those

17 First Nations.

18 An example might be, like, with our work

19 right now closely with Saulteau, West Mo, and

20 McLeod Lake.

21 TRIBAL CHIEF LIZ LOGAN: Next: are you personally

22 aware that this was a discussion at the Chief to

23 Minister's meeting in November where we had

24 requested, again, a regional strategic

25 environmental assessment --

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1 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: M'mm-hmm.

2 TRIBAL CHIEF LIZ LOGAN: -- and we wanted to be

3 included in that process and to work jointly with

4 BC, and I know that West Moberly has been

5 requesting this for years. And so when is that

6 going to happen? When are we going to work with

7 you on this process?

8 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Right. Well, with West

9 Moberly, we're already working -- we've had

10 numerous meetings even this year, sitting down,

11 face-to-face, and talking about this project. So I

12 think that the linkages are there, and now it's

13 continuing to build those relationships as we move

14 forward.

15 TRIBAL CHIEF LIZ LOGAN: I'm not talking about

16 building relations, I'm not talking about talking,

17 I'm talking about when are we going to do this

18 because this -- I just got a text because they are

19 listening, and they want answers. When are we

20 going to be working together with BC on this

21 regional strategic environmental assessment,

22 especially in this zone, this area?

23 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: I -- we would need to have a

24 better understanding. As the question was just

25 discussed by Madam Beaudet, she can see the

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1 linkages between the approach that we're developing

2 provincially, and how it becomes, first and

3 foremost, a strategic regional environmental

4 assessment.

5 So we think that we are building those

6 methods right now to implement in the Province, and

7 we've been working with First Nations and reaching

8 out to build this --

9 THE CHAIRMAN: Dr. Ciruna, if I may, it's

10 Harry Swain -- and I don't want to prolong this --

11 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Right.

12 THE CHAIRMAN: But I do think it's time you

13 came up and sat down and had a talk with Treaty 8.

14 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: I -- I have been --

15 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay? Thank you.

16 TRIBAL CHIEF LIZ LOGAN: And I won't even respond to

17 her last comment, I figure it's -- it's on the

18 record.

19 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay.

20 I think time being what it is, we need to

21 move along, but Madam Beaudet has a question for

22 Hydro on this topic.

23 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

24 Yes, a question on cumulative effects

25 assessment again.

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1 My query started with your response, so I

2 think it was in your closing comments when you

3 referred to a response to Saulteau First Nation on

4 the Registry number 407, and you indicated to us

5 that the CEAA agency stated that for this project,

6 the EIS guidelines will not require the proponent

7 to create a pre-industrial baseline for cumulative

8 effect assessment.

9 So I went back to look at different comments,

10 some of them I was aware of already, when the EIS

11 guidelines were prepared. And there were lots of

12 comments of people asking that the two previous

13 dams be included.

14 And I believe there was three: Treaty 8

15 Tribal Association, Saulteau, and, what I found

16 interesting, there was also Environment Canada.

17 And they said that they recommended that the

18 guidelines direct preparation of an Environmental

19 Impact Statement that includes a thorough

20 discussion of existing hydroelectric developments

21 on the Peace River.

22 The environmental effects that have occurred

23 as a result of the effectiveness of measures taken

24 to manage them.

25 And I also looked at the document. It's a

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1 very extensive document from BC Hydro that

2 responded to public comments on the preparation of

3 the guidelines, and with respect to cumulative

4 effect assessment, you say -- and it's on page 3,

5 the letter is June 26th, 2012 -- and you say here

6 that you agree:

7

8 "... that in characterizing

9 any potential residual effect and

10 any potential cumulative effect, it

11 is helpful to characterize the

12 extent to which an area has already

13 been disturbed including a

14 consideration of the existing

15 hydroelectric generation projects

16 on the Peace. However, the

17 accumulated effects of all past

18 projects and activities will be

19 reflected in the current baseline

20 condition."

21

22 Some groups said, you know, that there was

23 existing data and you disagreed. Some agreed on --

24 they disagreed on your spatial boundaries,

25 especially with respect to the PAD, and we're not

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1 going to go into that. I think we've tried to have

2 some questions and directions on your thinking

3 regarding that.

4 But -- and you do mention that other projects

5 use a baseline similar to what you have done,

6 giving examples of oil sands projects, Prosperity

7 Gold-Copper Mine project, et cetera, and one is the

8 Dunvegan hydroelectric project because the other

9 projects as examples are not dams.

10 Now, the Lower Churchill also did the same

11 thing as you did. And they had lots of participant

12 views that disagreed.

13 I'd like to know more about the arguments

14 that you've used and managed; they must be magical.

15 And managed to convince the agency and

16 environmental assessment office of the Province to

17 go ahead and exclude the two dams. Because even if

18 there's a narrative, it doesn't preclude the

19 proponent to do a cumulative effect assessment,

20 especially if in the narrative you acknowledge that

21 the previous dams had effects.

22 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: So in terms of that

23 question --

24 MS. BEAUDET: Excuse me, this was addressed

25 to BC Hydro. I'm sorry.

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1 DR. KRISTY CIRUNA: Okay.

2 MS. BETTINA SANDER: Thank you, Madam.

3 I think you summarized many of the issues

4 with the whole cumulative effects assessment

5 method, so I'll try and answer, I think some of

6 what I thought your key points were.

7 In terms of, yes, we did hear during the

8 review of the EIS guidelines many requests to go to

9 pre-industrial, pre-Bennett, et cetera. And we

10 went through that process.

11 In terms of -- there was some -- within that

12 period, that review period before the Minister of

13 Environment and the executive director of the EAO

14 finalized the guidelines, we had some discussions

15 with Environment Canada. We had a meeting, I

16 believe it was in May 2012, I believe, where we

17 discussed the approach to cumulative effects

18 assessment in light of all those questions that

19 came out of the working group review period.

20 And through that, the -- that information, I

21 guess that discussion we had at that meeting was

22 taken back to the Canadian Environmental Assessment

23 Agency and the EAO at the time, and the

24 recommendation during that meeting was to,

25 recognizing that there was limited information to

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1 be able to go back pre-industrial, pre-industrial

2 for us would have been going back to the 1800s.

3 Very difficult to recreate that scenario in a

4 meaningful way that would help us to understand the

5 effects of the project.

6 The recommendation was made to, using the

7 information that is available to go back and

8 understand within the limitations that data and

9 describe in a narrative way what those effects of

10 those previous dams would be. And so when the EIS

11 guidelines were finalized by the Minister of

12 Environment and the executive director of the EAO,

13 that was the direction to us, to include that

14 information. And so that's what we did.

15 And so in terms of available information, we

16 looked at -- the hydrology data went back the

17 furthest, so we looked at that.

18 And as we talked about in the downstream

19 sessions, used that information to understand the

20 current flow and how those might be changed during

21 construction and operation of the dam. And then

22 subsequently to see -- to use that information in

23 our effects assessment where relevant.

24 MS. BEAUDET: Do I understand that the

25 major argument was that you didn't have the data?

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1 I mean, the Peace Canyon Dam had the

2 Environmental Impact Assessment done. The Bennett

3 Dam -- when you build a dam, you have data. I

4 mean, even if it's 1957, you would have data. You

5 had data only on the hydrology?

6 MS. BETTINA SANDER: We had -- the furthest

7 dating back data was on the hydrology. There was

8 some aerial photographs as well. And other

9 projects have gone back to re-create those

10 conditions. But if you read through those, at the

11 end of the day, it didn't provide a lot of

12 certainty with respect to what those predicted

13 effects would be.

14 MS. BEAUDET: So the argument is just the

15 availability of data; there was no other arguments

16 that they agree that you were right in going in

17 that way?

18 MS. BETTINA SANDER: Sorry, Madam, could you

19 repeat that?

20 MS. BEAUDET: I'm trying to find, as I

21 mentioned, the magical arguments that convinced the

22 Agency and the environmental assessment office of

23 the Province for you to go ahead and consider that

24 the baseline was September 2012.

25 MS. BETTINA SANDER: I think at the -- or the

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1 discussion at the time in that May meeting was

2 around the availability of information and being

3 able to, in a meaningful way, go back and create

4 these pre-industrial condition, and how that would

5 help you understand what the effects of the project

6 would be today.

7 And I think those -- you made reference to

8 other projects that had done -- had been requested

9 to do that work, and we reviewed those and found

10 that at the end of the day, it didn't really help

11 in understanding what that specific project would

12 contribute with respect to effects.

13 MS. BEAUDET: Thank you.

14 THE CHAIRMAN: I'd now like to call on Neil

15 Thompson who --

16 MR. BEN NAYLOR: Sorry, Mr. Chair, to

17 interrupt. Before Mr. Thompson comes up, if I

18 might have a brief moment of your time.

19 The dreaded procedurally (sic) issue that we

20 had talked about previously in the morning has

21 reared its head in the fact that the panel has

22 requested more information from the Province, and,

23 yet, the date for undertakings to provide that

24 information is today.

25 Would it be acceptable to the panel for us to

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1 provide that information that's requested,

2 including the date -- the history of the age of the

3 data, as well as the values that were looked at in

4 this trial study, by February the 3rd, with the

5 understanding that the Province will get that

6 information to the panel as soon as it is able to?

7 THE CHAIRMAN: It would be wonderful if you

8 could get it by Friday because there may be other

9 people who want to comment. I don't think it would

10 be hard to find --

11 MR. BEN NAYLOR: We will certainly get it as

12 soon as possible.

13 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. And I thank you very

14 much for that.

15 And I would like, also, to thank Dr. Ciruna.

16 It's an interesting study, and a good first start.

17 And I'm sure it will find a lot of interest,

18 locally, here, when she comes up to visit the

19 Treaty 8.

20 MR. BEN NAYLOR: Exactly.

21 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you.

22 MR. BEN NAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

23 Thank you, Kristy.

24 THE CHAIRMAN: Thanks, Dr. Ciruna.

25 I'd now like to call Neil Thompson, with some

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1 gratitude for his patience, because we ran out of

2 time in the air environment session and he agreed

3 to present later.

4 Welcome, sir.

5 Just a second.

6 MS. SUSAN YURKOVICH: Mr. Chair, Ms. Sanders

7 would just like to clarify a reference that Madam

8 Beaudet was asking about.

9 MS. BETTINA SANDER: Thank you.

10 Madam Beaudet, you referenced -- or made

11 reference to a date of September 2012 as the

12 baseline?

13 Yes?

14 And we've heard that in some of the

15 submissions as well, and we just wanted to clarify

16 that that September 5th, 2012 was not what we

17 considered baseline.

18 Baseline was characterized based on, you

19 know, years of study, field studies, and that date

20 was simply to reflect the date that we stopped

21 looking at all those various databases, where we

22 collected the future projects that we looked at or

23 considered in the cumulative effects assessment.

24 MS. BEAUDET: Because it was the data I

25 think that you have in your technical memo, so ...

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1 MS. BETTINA SANDER: Yes, it was just to reflect

2 that that was because of where we are, we were at

3 the time in conducting our assessment, and we

4 needed a day where we stopped looking at the

5 database.

6 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Mr. Thompson, I take

7 your suggestion. We'll have a ten-minute coffee

8 break and then come back and hear you.

9

10 (Brief break)

11

12 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay, let's reconvene and

13 turn the floor over to you, Mr. Thompson.

14

15 Presentation by Mr. Neil Thompson, (Atmospheric):

16 MR. NEIL THOMPSON: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

17 I'm here today to speak to the cumulative

18 impacts that I think this project will have on the

19 aviation weather reports at our regional airport.

20 And the impacts that I believe it will have on the

21 accuracy and the reliability of the aviation

22 weather forecasts that are issued in this sector.

23 I think the treatment of the topic to date

24 should move it into the category we have previous

25 heard in the proceeding to that of an unacceptable

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1 threshold of significance.

2 And it is clear to me that, collectively, we

3 really need to reverse the unsustainable trend when

4 establishing the VCs with respect to air

5 transportation and large projects.

6 We had a very large mill installed in our

7 airport about nine or ten years back. The

8 assessment works that we watched there, I

9 considered almost farcical with respect to the

10 aviation side of the issues. And I'm hoping you

11 can help us do better this time.

12 I do not offer myself as an -- as the

13 expertise that I think you will need to properly

14 assess the topic, but, rather, as one with a long

15 working knowledge of what is required to operate

16 the safe and efficient airport.

17 In 1962, I went back. I attended department

18 of transport's air services training school in

19 Ottawa. And on graduation, I went to work at the

20 forecast office in Whitehorse. '63, I've worked

21 briefly in Yellowknife, and went back to

22 Whitehorse. In '67, I started pilot training.

23 '68, I bought my first aircraft. '71, I was the

24 officer in charge at the weather office. '73, I

25 was lecturing in meteorology at the flying schools.

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1 '77, I retrained as a crash rescue firefighter at

2 the Grand Prairie airport; I have memories from

3 that that will be with me forever.

4 '79, I retrained at the Edmonton

5 International Airport as an interprovincial

6 electrician with specialized training in airfield

7 lighting systems, approach lighting systems,

8 back-up power systems for the navigational aids,

9 the radar, the direction finding, and the

10 communication systems.

11 In '84, I came here, to Fort St. John, as a

12 complex centre airports electrician.

13 And I travelled around with Transport Canada

14 through the western region to troubleshooting,

15 installations, overseeing projects on airports

16 between Inuvik and Calgary.

17 And while there aren't many sailors in this

18 northeast area, I am the one who has sailed between

19 Hudson's Hope and the town of Peace River, and it

20 is truly a beautiful valley.

21 You have my condolences, panel, on the

22 reading assignment that Hydro has placed before

23 you. I also have read considerably, and I find

24 some serious errors and omissions in the modelling,

25 and the conclusions that you are being asked to

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1 accept.

2 I try to speak to these as we go along, that

3 includes some diagrams and some pictures.

4 And I ask that you consider these items from

5 the perspective of the increases in aviation with

6 respect to the disruption, the risk, the cost, and

7 the environmental footprint. It is likely that we

8 can all agree that better stewardship of the

9 environment should include the approach

10 environment, the landing environment, and the

11 take-off environment.

12 And I find in the minutes of a

13 pre-consultation meeting where our past airport

14 manager, who was also a commercial pilot, requested

15 that the project be assessed by a real

16 meteorologist, and he is now a supervisor at

17 Toronto airport, at Pearson. But I've spoken with

18 him about his concerns, and I want to make it clear

19 here that in the aviation community, a real

20 meteorologist is a seasoned, operational aviation

21 forecaster with the credentials to issue and sign

22 an aviation forecast.

23 I also see that this topic has been raised by

24 others in the minutes of the letters to the BC EAO,

25 letters to the Environmental Assessment Agency,

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1 minutes of the meetings, pre-consultation meetings,

2 and submissions to BC Hydro.

3 But the EIS appears to try to dismiss these

4 concerns or trivialize the probable impacts of the

5 project. And I'd also say that the presentations

6 you have heard here from Environment Canada and

7 Transport Canada were not intended to help you

8 fully assess the project.

9 I note during their assessments, you didn't

10 hear the word "inversion". Not once. You didn't

11 hear anything about "background moisture",

12 "pollution", "particulate". They didn't go very

13 deep. And I think they have the mandate and the

14 expertise and the responsibility to do that

15 properly. But I have a suggestion later on.

16 So by convention, the international civil

17 aviation organization and the world meteorological

18 organization agreed at a meeting many years ago

19 that any phenomenon reducing the visibility six

20 miles or less shall be reported in an aviation

21 weather report, and it shall be included in the

22 aviation weather forecasts. And that agreement

23 prevails all around the world.

24 If we consider the visibility of six miles,

25 and an aircraft approaching a runway at 60 miles an

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1 hour, that's one mile per minute. Right? So you

2 give him six minutes to identify the landmark on or

3 runway and confirm that no one is on that runway.

4 And I think two of you are from BC, and you'll

5 remember Cranbrook in '78.

6 So if we consider six miles, the pilot gets

7 six minutes to identify his landmark. When the

8 visibility drops to three, he gets three minutes.

9 Visibility drops to a mile-and-a-half, he gets

10 90 seconds. Three quarters of a mile, he gets

11 three quarters of a minute. But those standards

12 were agreed to when airplanes were approaching at

13 60 miles an hour. And now 120 or more is very

14 common. So that three-quarter mile visibility now

15 only offers him 22-and-a-half seconds to make that

16 decision. And if we consider the view through the

17 windshield of the airplane, it can't look straight

18 down. He gets to look out at a 45-degree angle.

19 So that means he only gets half the time to

20 identify the landmark, to find the threshold to

21 assure himself there's nobody on that runway.

22 And six miles, if you consider one of the

23 other reasons they agreed to six miles was that six

24 miles indicates you have some weather in that area.

25 Something is going on. And the SOP from any

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1 carrier will require that you make a fuel

2 management decision at six miles. How much more

3 fuel shall you carry, because if that forecast is

4 not reliable, we'll now have enough fuel to go

5 elsewhere, and land with 45 minutes of fuel.

6 That's the law. So six miles is a big deal.

7 When visibility gets down to three miles,

8 that's when flight under the visual flight rules

9 stops.

10 If you fly to the control zone and they tell

11 you it's three miles, they will also tell you

12 remain clear of the zone because that zone is

13 reserved for the IFR traffic.

14 So now you're faced with a problem. You have

15 to circle outside the zone, waiting for space

16 between the arriving airplanes, where they could

17 allow you in under special VFR conditions, or you

18 can stay outside the zone and burn fuel until the

19 weather improves, or go elsewhere; the choices that

20 you have.

21 The other parameter that's not been discussed

22 here is a mile-and-a-half visibility, where that's

23 the weather minimum for three of our runways. And

24 I believe it's also the VFR limit for the

25 helicopter traffic. It's not been discussed.

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1 There's been no discussion about cloud

2 height, where a cloud ceiling of 1,000 feet is the

3 limit for visual flight rule traffic; half our

4 traffic is visual.

5 500 feet has been ignored. There, it's the

6 minimum circling height within a traffic zone. And

7 200 feet, well, that's the decision height when

8 you're approaching on our best-equipped runway.

9 That's a big deal that's not been discussed.

10 So the question becomes why does Hydro's

11 consultant begin the modelling at .6 of the mile?

12 I'd like to know who or on what credentials

13 that decision was made. And my view of it is is if

14 we took .6 and you put it over 6, that would equal

15 .1. That's a 10 percent understanding of this

16 topic, to express it.

17 There is a reference in the EIS about a

18 meeting with NPAS. It doesn't say NPA society or

19 services, but one or the other. And Transport

20 Canada.

21 So let us find out exactly who and with what

22 credentials those people attending that meeting --

23 because the airport manager in training comes to us

24 with banking credentials, and the assistant manager

25 comes to us with a janitorial contracting

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1 background. They are not flyers. They are not

2 forecasters. And they are certainly not

3 Air Traffic Controllers. So we need good

4 credentials making those decisions. And I'm at a

5 total loss to explain the .6 mile where we would

6 start modelling there, ignoring all the other

7 parameters.

8 At this point, I give you the website there.

9 Do I have to read this out, sir?

10 I'm sorry?

11 THE CHAIRMAN: No, that's all right.

12 MR. NEIL THOMPSON: Don't have to read. Okay.

13 But the reference there is to a wreck we had over

14 at Grand Prairie where airframe icing issues were

15 the main factor. And a terrible forecast was a

16 main factor, and that's one of my concerns, is how

17 much moisture will come off this reservoir and

18 river, on top of the pollution that we've got, it

19 makes it very difficult to forecast accurately.

20 The textbook behaviour of an air mass really gets

21 impacted by pollution, particulate, smoke, all the

22 rest of it. It's very hard to do.

23 And the other website, I hope you'll have

24 time to look at. It's about an international

25 development work, they are trying to design a LiDAR

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1 instrumentation to locate super-cooled liquid

2 aloft. That's a big deal to do with airframe

3 icing. Super-cooled -- it will hang in the air in

4 the super-cooled state until disturbed, like an

5 airplane wing would disturb, and then it's instant

6 ice.

7 And that study, there were 33 scientists

8 involved, representing eight prestigious

9 organizations from Canada, including the research

10 council and Transport Canada. And on the U.S.

11 side, there were 12 organizations, including the

12 Boulder, Colorado, Institute and NASA.

13 And there was scientists from Russia, Poland,

14 France, Britain. Even Boeing aircraft corporation

15 put money into that. And, again, a big deal. And

16 what they are trying to do there is improve the

17 forecast product to avoid the ice. The

18 instrumentation would probably display on a screen

19 in a cockpit. It would be better yet if we could

20 display it on a screen in the control tower, and

21 then help the pilots avoid it.

22 Now, a little bit more about heavy industry.

23 Our city has rezoned all the eastern territory as

24 heavy industry, which, unfortunately, is closest to

25 the airport. But there is no setback distance in

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1 the official community plan between a heavy

2 industry and an airport. And, in fact, you can

3 look all over the Province, you'll not find a

4 setback specified. I don't understand why, but

5 there isn't.

6 Already at this airport, we have -- right up

7 close there, we have a wood pellet plant, a large

8 lumber mill, the largest strand board mill in North

9 America.

10 And just south of the control zone in the

11 valley at Taylor, very large gas processing,

12 propane refinery, lumber mill, asphalt production,

13 and another very large pulp mill.

14 And at night, you can see here that around

15 us, the oil and gas with the flares burning to the

16 north and the east and the south. All these guys

17 are putting their little contribution of

18 particulate. And depending on the wind, whether

19 it -- whether it impacts us or not.

20 In fairness to BC Hydro, it is not their

21 fault that we have developed around the airport

22 with little regard for aviation. But the fact is

23 we did, and all over the Province. And the

24 regulators are not responding to this. Just so far

25 behind the times -- I will assume that the rules

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1 were written before industry of this magnitude were

2 considered. That pulp mill, or OSB mill is the

3 largest in North America. They bragged about

4 having the largest press in the world. But they

5 put it right in the middle of our air traffic

6 control zone without much of an assessment.

7 So we watched that assessment. We were

8 pretty aghast, I guess. But the responses, we

9 would take our concerns to Transport Canada, they'd

10 say it's outside our jurisdiction. And I don't

11 even believe that. They have the mandate, the

12 expertise, the authority. I think what it is, they

13 don't want to argue with every ambitious Mayor in

14 Canada. Right? Avoid the issue, we'll just say

15 it's nothing, or jurisdiction.

16 And I can show you a slide later where they

17 recommend that you don't build your industry closer

18 than four or five miles from the eastern boundary

19 of your airport. But they highlight recommend, not

20 enforceable. And then they step back.

21 Environment Canada, during that last big job,

22 not a word about the aviation weather. They give

23 us 8 pages on fish habitat, 12 more pages about the

24 parts per million of the chemicals that you could

25 put in the air, not a word about aviation weather.

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1 NAV Canada, they're now a Crown corporation,

2 I guess, they wanted to talk about the paint

3 colours on the stack of the mill. Not a word about

4 the stuff coming out of the top of that thing.

5 BC environmental agency assessment office,

6 they declared that vapour emissions from wood

7 processing are exempt from assessment. And I will

8 bet you a drink that that rule hasn't changed. And

9 the BC Minister of Environment, their own

10 meteorologist responded to one of our questions, in

11 writing, and he said, "I have no expertise. Ask

12 the pilots." But they wouldn't.

13 So they assessed that with no credible

14 calculation for the background moisture, the

15 chemicals, the particulate. And no actual data on

16 the frequency, structure, or the duration of our

17 inversions. And I think you're seeing it again. I

18 don't find the word "inversion" in this assessment,

19 the EIS here. Clearly, there's some gapping

20 loopholes being held open for industrial

21 application.

22 Now, since that decision, the aviation

23 community has learned that 70 percent of an aspen

24 log is water. And that one million cubic metres of

25 wood from that one mill translates into at least

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1 1,900 metric tonne of water vapour every day.

2 For perspective, I would note that

3 1 kilometre of cloud contains only 500 tonne of

4 moisture. So the mill can make about four

5 cubic kilometres a day.

6 So if you have an inversion sitting here for

7 three days, you'll have a horrendous load of wet,

8 dense cloud, and it contains super-cooled moisture.

9 If you consider that the emission coming out

10 of that stack is 270-something degrees, and then it

11 drifts downwind and it cools; somewhere down there,

12 it will freeze. And I'll fly through that after

13 it's frozen; I don't want any part of it when it's

14 still liquid.

15 So in the late fall, in the winter, and in

16 the spring, considerable super-cooled liquid dumped

17 into the control zone. And that is only one mill.

18 We have two big sawmills and a big pulp mill also

19 producing water vapour.

20 To speak a bit about airframe icing, and that

21 is a big deal. To our previous assessment, the

22 consultant tried to express the weight of ice in

23 terms of the percentage of the gross weight of the

24 airplane. I mean, unbelievable.

25 So to comment here, the ice will affect the

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1 shape of the airfoils of the wings and the control

2 surfaces, the shape of the curves of the

3 propellers. The forward visibility through the

4 windshield. Static venting, which you need for the

5 instruments on your airplane. It doesn't work if

6 you have a coat of ice over it.

7 The antennas on the airplane, it's not so

8 much for communication, maybe, but for accurate

9 alignment to the instrument landing system, a small

10 error is significant. And it's the antennas on the

11 ground and on the airplane.

12 And engine performance, ice can compromise

13 you there, too.

14 Yeah, this was -- I highlighted the word in

15 red, "Recommended" by Transport, but then they step

16 away. I can put this up for you later, if you

17 want, to read the whole thing.

18 When you buy an airport from Transport

19 Canada, you buy it for a dollar, but you get this

20 library of books and licence. And if you don't

21 follow the books, you're always under threat of

22 losing your licence.

23 In this case, they sold it to us for a

24 dollar; in fact, they gave us the cheque for $2

25 million, please take it.

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1 So I think this project will add freezing

2 mist, more low cloud where it is not wanted, it

3 will make it harder to avoid the plumes of

4 industrial crud that we've got. And that plume is

5 imbedded in the low cloud or hidden in the mist.

6 When it's poor light or snowing or dark, it's

7 very hard to see and avoid that when you're looking

8 at it down on a snow-covered terrain. And the

9 plume is white, so ...

10 Yes, they'll do their best to avoid it, but

11 hard to see it.

12 And I thought it was nearly laughable that we

13 refer to our air traffic control zone in all of

14 transport's manuals as protected air space. When

15 it is clearly not protected from the oil and gas

16 people or the forestry people or possibly the

17 energy people. We'll see.

18 So by default, Minister of Forest was given a

19 final word on what would be deemed acceptable. And

20 this time, with your help, maybe the Minister of

21 Energy doesn't afford it the same privilege.

22 And I could offer some mitigation measures

23 that came from just from the local aviation

24 community. I'm -- you know, these won't be

25 required if the dam is not approved, but if it is,

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1 point one would be bring back the Air Traffic

2 Controllers.

3 Point two would be install the second landing

4 -- instrument landing system that's been discussed

5 in the past mostly because the one we have doesn't

6 align itself to the prevailing wind. I'm going to

7 guess that the prevailing wind in Ottawa is 290

8 degrees because there's a lot of ILSs lined up to

9 290 degrees. In here, the southwest wind prevails.

10 We could upgrade the centreline lighting,

11 which would then allow us to approach at a lower

12 visibility. That would help.

13 We could install LiDAR, especially if that

14 icing study and development does develop a

15 marketable display for super-cooled liquid. It's

16 not on the market yet. But as soon as it is, I

17 think we have the perfect place to test it.

18 The secondary radar, we could upgrade that.

19 And that would allow us to reduce the separation

20 between the airplanes because we have more positive

21 identification of where they are at.

22 We could re-open taxi Charlie -- let's see if

23 I can find this.

24 There's a map of the airport. On the

25 right-hand side, there, that taxiway is closed.

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1 Because it costs less to paint and plough the snow

2 and crackfill and overlay. So we closed it. But

3 now what we're seeing is a line-up of traffic,

4 they'll leave the ramp, and they'll taxi down to

5 the unactive runway, and they'll taxi right down to

6 here and wait. And when there's a break in the

7 incoming traffic, they'll backtrack down this

8 runway, turn around, and then take off to the

9 northeast.

10 That means you need a lot more time to allow

11 for that backtrack; the time between the arriving

12 airplanes. And I've seen, you know, just recently,

13 six, seven, eight airplanes lined up at the

14 intersection there waiting. Some of those

15 passengers were -- well, they were there for over

16 30 minutes waiting for departure. So that would be

17 a big help.

18 And the other thing we do, we spray the

19 airplanes with glycol to spray the ice off. When

20 you come down through industrial emissions, you

21 pick up a bit of ice. Well, the law says you will

22 not take off with that ice. So they have type I

23 and type II glycol, and they spray them. Very

24 expensive. Not environmentally nice. But in the

25 bigger -- like, Pearson, now, they have a

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1 drive-through. Recycle. And I don't know if we're

2 at that stage, but at least we wouldn't be letting

3 it runoff on the ground. A step in the right

4 direction.

5 So that would be our suggestions. Many

6 millions of dollars we're talking about there. But

7 I think back to my concern about the assessment

8 work, the easy solution to that is just take the

9 assessment work and submit it to the professionals

10 that work in the aviation weather every day. The

11 forecasters, the pilots, the Air Traffic

12 Controllers. Search and rescue have a lot of

13 expertise. We could draw on that. Yeah.

14 And the boys I feel sorry for are the medivac

15 companies. They get called rain or shine.

16 And I would offer some questions that the

17 professionals should be answering for us.

18 How much glycol are we using compared to the

19 past?

20 How many aircraft per year are now being

21 directed into holding patterns?

22 I was told we're up to 17 already; at a

23 little regional airport, that's ridiculous. And

24 that can only go up with pipelines and hydro and

25 development. Right?

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1 How long are those aircraft held in the

2 holding patterns?

3 I had coffee with the captain the other day,

4 he was in there for 41 minutes in the holding

5 pattern. You think about the very expensive engine

6 hours that he's burning off and the fuel. That's

7 not environmentally acceptable.

8 How long do the helicopters wait outside the

9 zone for a break in the traffic so that they can

10 scoot in? It only takes them two-and-a-half

11 minutes. They get from the control zone to the

12 ramp. But they wait and they wait. And they are

13 burning fuel and burning engine hours trying to

14 keep their passengers warm while waiting.

15 And how many aircraft had to divert to their

16 alternate? The alternate, I think I may have

17 mentioned earlier, they have to carry enough fuel

18 to go to an alternate if the weather is

19 questionable. And they need enough fuel to go

20 there and still have 45 minutes of fuel in their

21 tank. So if you think about that, 165 pounds of

22 extra fuel is 165 pounds of passenger you can't

23 take with you. So that affects the bottom line big

24 time.

25 And how many just filed their flight plan and

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1 then checked the weather and cancelled it?

2 And back to the point about alternates, how

3 many aircraft are using our airport as their

4 alternate? You consider Fort Nelson, Rainbow Lake,

5 High Level, Peace River, Dawson Creek, Chetwynd,

6 Prince George, and we are now upgraded as a

7 regional airport, which means they rely on us more

8 as an alternate. And we need to be a reliable

9 alternate because they are coming here on the last

10 of their fuel.

11 Unrelated to this project, but in terrible --

12 what would you say -- decision-making. One of the

13 best examples -- well, there's so many in BC.

14 If you look at Kamloops, they put a pulp mill

15 beside the runway, and they choked on that stale

16 air for years. And a pilot struggled with it.

17 Finally, they put a duct up the side of a mountain

18 and pushed it up in the westerly wind and it went

19 away, but for years they choked on it first. And

20 you got to wonder who did the thinking when they

21 built that?

22 Prince George has a reputation. You go in

23 the coffee room of any hangar and then ask them

24 where's the worst approach in the Province? Well,

25 Prince George will be at the top of the list

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1 because on runway one-five, you can't see the

2 airport for industrial emission. And you will know

3 that we just spent a bunch of money expanding that

4 runway and developing an air cargo facility, going

5 to attract the polar traffic to Prince George.

6 Think we've had four airplanes on it now.

7 But you've got to wonder about the thinking

8 with all those mills there why would [they] develop

9 that runway, you know.

10 But back to Edmonton there; I lived there and

11 I saw this. The Military had built an airport

12 there, a beautiful airport. But as it became a

13 city and expanded, that surrounded the place with

14 residences, businesses, train yard, cement plants

15 and on it went. And then they put a tall hospital

16 in the approach path. Sure enough, somebody flew

17 into that.

18 I'll -- I hope I've generated some questions.

19 This diagram, I was just trying to point out

20 how cumulative the impacts are. You could assess

21 it with any one of these parameters, the visibility

22 of 6, 3, a mile-and-a-half, or three quarters. Or

23 less. And the cloud heights.

24 Then you could look in the records all the

25 way back to 1940 and see historically what's taken

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1 place here. We have hourly weather reports going

2 right back to the '40s. So it would be easy to see

3 the impact of each industry with the factor for

4 global warming and El Nino; those wouldn't be

5 straight lines; they would be cyclic, of course.

6 But I think the biggest impact in our zone is

7 the OSB mill, and now this project will add a new

8 ingredient of low-level moisture, so more mist,

9 more freezing mist, super-cooled liquid.

10 The thing about that valley, the mist will

11 form down there, and about mid-morning, normally,

12 you'll see the land start to warm up, and then it

13 lifts off the ground and then actually it floats

14 right up off the valley and floats right over the

15 airport.

16 And as the day warms and the air dries, it

17 gets higher and higher and pretty soon it's not a

18 problem. But when you mix that with the upslope

19 from the east, in this -- I think I got a low here

20 I was going to show you.

21 If you look at the area to the north of that

22 low, the winds are prevailing east. And when that

23 happens here -- or, say, the low is south of us, so

24 that this whole area is in an easterly wind flow,

25 that air actually flows uphill from Alberta. So

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1 there's -- you reach a condensation level, and the

2 low cloud all piles up there against the mountains

3 and the foothills. So then after the low is gone

4 and the wind comes around to the west, it all comes

5 back. So to mix industrial gunk into that is

6 heartburn for us.

7 I want to especially show you this picture.

8 That's an approach light fixture, and I would say

9 about three-quarters of an inch of frost on that.

10 It's designed to deliver about 5,000 candella at

11 about 8 degrees to the pilot's eye. Right? And

12 those are the ones you see; they flash in sequence

13 and take the pilots eye down to the threshold.

14 Well, as you can see there, you have a choice

15 of three brightness settings, but you're not going

16 to get your 5,000 candella out of that.

17 And that because it flashes, it doesn't

18 generate any heat, so it won't defrost itself.

19 You've got to wade out in the snow there and brush

20 that all off.

21 That's the OSB mill in the background. And a

22 very dry day. I'm going to suggest the southwest

23 wind is just rolling in. And it's dry enough that

24 that plume isn't even a kilometre long. Some days,

25 that plume will go 9 and 10 kilometres long, and

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1 contain the super-cooled liquid.

2 In the left side of that picture, you see the

3 threshold lighting. That is normal incandescent

4 light. So it generates enough heat and it defrosts

5 itself. But these ones, the model here doesn't.

6 You can see just above the orange box the

7 beehive burner, which, thank god, they finally took

8 away.

9 I think you're probably aware of -- the lows

10 turn anti-clockwise. And they can't penetrate

11 areas of high, so you're seeing there the boundary

12 between the Arctic air and the Maritime. And it's

13 a constant moving struggle. It goes day and night.

14 But the -- I could go back to this otherwise

15 and show you the ...

16 To the right of that red line, that warm

17 front, down in here, that's where the inversions

18 will be the strongest, where the warm air is

19 lighter than the cold.

20 So it can't do anything but run over top of

21 the cold, and then slowly erodes its way down

22 through the cold and you finally feel it here on

23 the ground.

24 But under that inversion, there's no

25 dispersion of pollution. It's very stable, very

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1 stagnant air. So that's where your air quality

2 will be the worst. That's where you're flying

3 weather will be difficult if there's industrial

4 emissions in the area.

5 Under the -- in the purple sector of that

6 diagram, that's a trough of warm air, and it's been

7 forced above the ground. But it's still warm, and,

8 therefore, it's still an inverse. And it still

9 gives you the airframe icing issues where you take

10 a cold wing and you go into warm air and then back

11 into cold air. This is not nice.

12 This is a view from the north fence looking

13 down the runway one-one. You can see the plume

14 there blowing across from the right.

15 Clearly, a clear blue day everywhere else

16 above that, but this day, very fowl conditions on

17 the runway. And the reason I took the picture was

18 that a plane had just flown over my car there, and

19 I realized that the winds were favouring approaches

20 from the other end of that runway; in fact, the

21 other traffic that day were all coming from the

22 opposite way, but this guy elected to go in this

23 way because there was more pavement sticking out of

24 that fog bank. And he landed successfully. It was

25 all good, but if he missed that landing, he would

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1 have had to climb out towards all the other planes

2 that are coming in. Give the controller some

3 heartburn there.

4 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Thompson, I think I'm

5 going to have to stop you there because we're

6 running out of time. This is endlessly

7 fascinating, I must say, and I'm convinced when I

8 go back to Victoria, I'm going to hitchhike.

9 MR. NEIL THOMPSON: Still safer than driving,

10 Mr. Chair.

11 THE CHAIRMAN: I could entertain one

12 question from the floor, if there is one.

13 Then otherwise, sir, thank you very much for

14 a fascinating disquisition.

15 MR. NEIL THOMPSON: All I would add is that

16 Environment Canada and Transport Canada could have

17 helped you a lot more in your assessment. I don't

18 understand why they didn't bring the experts that I

19 think you need to assess this properly.

20 THE CHAIRMAN: Stick around for Hydro's

21 closing comments on this, and let's see what they

22 have to say. Thank you.

23 MR. NEIL THOMPSON: Thank you.

24 THE CHAIRMAN: There's a couple of vehicles

25 that are going to get towed: a silver Ford: 191

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1 3CG. And a red Ford: BA3 570. See the front desk,

2 or they are going to get towed. Thank you.

3 Our final presentation is -- before we hear

4 from Hydro -- is from Saulteau First Nations.

5 MR. PETER FELDBERG: Mr. Chair, while

6 Mr. McCormack is just setting up, I think we

7 mentioned this morning that we had -- our fish

8 biologists were here, and, if you recall, when they

9 filed, they said we'd like a chance to respond.

10 Probably the most efficient way is, as we've done

11 it before, if they just do it orally once we're

12 done; it won't take more than a few minutes, I

13 don't think.

14 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Good. Thank you.

15

16 Saulteau First Nations Panel:

17 Jesse McCormick (Legal Counsel).

18 Rick Palmer (via telephone).

19 Alyssa Murdoch (via telephone).

20

21 Presentation by Jesse McCormack, Legal Counsel for

22 Saulteau First Nations:

23 MR. JESSE McCORMICK: Good afternoon, members of

24 the panel. As you're aware, my name is Jesse

25 McCormick. I'm legal counsel to Saulteau First

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1 Nations.

2 I'm pleased to have the opportunity to

3 present the Saulteau First Nations presentation on

4 fish and fish habitat.

5 As you are aware, a technical memorandum

6 entitled Review of Site C Environment Impact

7 Statement, fish and fish habitat, has been filed as

8 written accompaniment to this PowerPoint

9 presentation.

10 The content of the PowerPoint presentation is

11 derived from the technical memorandum. And both

12 the PowerPoint and the technical memorandum have

13 been filed with the panel Secretariat, and they are

14 available on the CEAR Registry as document

15 number 2432.

16 In an effort to overcome some of the

17 limitations of remote participation, I'll be

18 conducting most of the presentation. However, we

19 are joined on the telephone by Mr. Rick Palmer and

20 Ms. Alyssa Murdoch of Palmer Environmental

21 Consulting Group.

22 They are the authors of the technical

23 memorandum, and the PowerPoint presentation. And

24 they will be helping out with some of the technical

25 content, and they will also be available to answer

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1 any questions.

2 I would like now to introduce them to the

3 panel.

4 You see before you slide 2. And I'd like to

5 confirm, first of all, do we have Rick Palmer and

6 Alyssa Murdoch on the phone?

7 MR. RICK PALMER: Go ahead, Alyssa.

8 MS. ALYSSA MURDOCH: Yes, I'm here, Jesse.

9 MR. JESSE McCORMICK: Welcome. Thank you very

10 much.

11 MR. RICK PALMER: Hi, Jesse. I'm here,

12 too.

13

14 Introduction of the Saulteau First Nations panel, by

15 Mr. Jesse McCormick:

16 MR. JESSE McCORMICK: Thank you.

17 So you see here on the screen, the gentleman

18 on the left, in the blue shirt, is Mr. Rick Palmer.

19 He is the president of Palmer Consulting Group

20 Incorporated. And a senior fisheries biologist.

21 He's a registered professional biologist with

22 College of Applied Biology.

23 He holds a Master's of Science in fisheries

24 from the University of Waterloo, and a Bachelor of

25 Science from Simon Fraser University.

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1 He has extensive experience in relation to

2 evaluating and implementing fish and fish habitat

3 mitigation measures for large projects.

4 On the right-hand side of the screen, you see

5 a photo of Ms. Alyssa Murdoch. And Ms. Murdoch is

6 an aquatic biologist. And a registered

7 professional biologist with the Association of

8 Professional Biologists of BC.

9 She holds a Master of Science from the

10 University of Waterloo; focused on northern

11 fisheries ecology. And a Bachelor of Science in

12 marine biology from the University of British

13 Columbia.

14 CVs for both of these individuals were filed

15 on December 19, 2013, and are available on the

16 Registry at CEAA document number 2246.

17 Turning now to slide 3. Palmer Consulting

18 Group conducted a review of fish and fish habitat

19 and mitigation measures identified in the

20 environmental assessment documentation. That

21 review was conducted with a focus on deficiencies

22 and proposed mitigation, opportunities for

23 mitigation and compensation enhancement, fish

24 species of concern to Saulteau First Nations, and

25 priority areas for Saulteau First Nation land

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1 users.

2 Slide 4. You see this is BC Hydro's response

3 to undertaking 7, which displays the Peace-Moberly

4 Tract in the area of critical interest.

5 As you are aware the PMT and the ACCI are

6 areas of high value and importance to Saulteau

7 First Nations and the presentation supporting

8 technical memorandum focus on impacts and

9 mitigation measures relevant to these areas.

10 Slide 5. So the presentation focuses on four

11 key areas: fisheries productivity offsetting,

12 compensation; two, fish populating modelling;

13 three, fish stranding; and four, riparian or

14 stream-side vegetation.

15 And for each area, we identify an issue of

16 concern, key points in relation to that issue, and

17 suggested recommendations. And the overarching

18 purpose of the review was to identify deficient

19 mitigation measures or analyses and to propose

20 recommendations for potential mitigation

21 enhancements.

22 Turning now to slide 6. We understand that

23 the change from river to reservoir will likely

24 lower fisheries productivity and/or extirpate local

25 fish populations, including Moberly River Arctic

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1 grayling and Peace River mountain whitefish.

2 As the panel is aware, a fisheries

3 productivity offsetting plan is required by law.

4 The EIS guidelines also state, in Section 10.2.4,

5 potential effects of the project and proposed

6 mitigation, that the EIS will describe follow-up

7 and monitoring plans to determine the effectiveness

8 of measures to mitigate or compensate for the

9 adverse environmental effects of the project. That

10 request was included, despite a request from

11 BC Hydro, in their correspondence of May 31st,

12 2012, not to include that content on the basis that

13 it was sufficiently addressed elsewhere.

14 So BC Hydro's informed the panel that a fish

15 and fish habitat compensation plan is currently

16 being developed.

17 The panel requested more detail on the plan,

18 in information request number 11, in order to help

19 the panel understand how the Proponent's plans will

20 effectively compensate for adverse effects of the

21 project.

22 The panel requested BC Hydro to provide a

23 conceptual fish habitat compensation plan,

24 including information on the following points:

25 - Who would be involved in the planning

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1 and implementation of the plan, and how?

2 - What would be the objectives of the

3 plan?

4 - What would be the measures of success?

5 - What would be the timeline for

6 providing the final plan?

7 - How will the proposed plan address

8 identified effects of the project?

9 - What changes are expected to fish

10 habitat after implementation of the plan?

11 - And how will the plan account for

12 navigational concerns?

13 Saulteau First Nations does not consider the

14 response issued by BC Hydro to information request

15 number 11, to provide adequate information to

16 assess the quality or effectiveness of the proposed

17 fisheries productivity offsetting plan.

18 In our view, impacts on fish and fish habitat

19 arising from this project, if it were to be

20 constructed will be significant, and the level of

21 planning for fisheries productivity offsetting is

22 deficient for this stage of project development.

23 We would also note that Transport Canada has

24 raised concerns relating to the lack of information

25 provided by BC Hydro concerning habitat

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1 compensation measures as they relate to

2 navigability.

3 So in our view, BC Hydro has had ample

4 opportunity to demonstrate the specific measures

5 that could be implemented as part of the fisheries

6 productivity offsetting plan. However, the details

7 have been scarce.

8 Saulteau First Nations request that in the

9 absence of specific measures to address impacts on

10 fish and fish habitat, through fish habitat

11 compensation, that the panel include

12 recommendations in the final report to establish

13 clear standards for any fish habitat compensation

14 measures that may be developed in the future.

15 Turning now to slide 7. You see here some of

16 the recommendations from Saulteau First Nations in

17 relation to fisheries productivity offsetting.

18 Briefly stated, Saulteau First Nations'

19 priorities, including fish species of concern in

20 local habitats should be considered during

21 offsetting plan development.

22 And the offsetting plan should also include

23 research programs with the aim of identifying any

24 critical informational gaps, which will aid in

25 directing and prioritizing future compensation

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1 efforts.

2 Saulteau First Nations should be engaged in

3 guiding research priorities, and trained as

4 technicians for assisting in the field research.

5 Research initiatives can make up to 10 percent of

6 the total offsetting efforts under the new

7 Fisheries Act regulations.

8 So, for example, compensation could focus on

9 enhancing habitat for locally-harvested species

10 that will be reduced or extirpated due to project

11 effects, such as arctic grayling.

12 In addition, potential offsetting locations

13 could include the enhancement of Saulteau First

14 Nations' fisheries in Moberly Lake, Moberly River,

15 or the Peace River for measures such as habitat

16 enhancement or creation.

17 We now turn to an area on Slide 8. And I

18 will look to Rick and Alyssa to provide some

19 assistance. I am quick to admit that fish

20 population modelling is a bit beyond my

21 capabilities.

22 Rick.

23 MR. RICK PALMER: Jesse, can you hear me

24 okay?

25 MR. JESSE McCORMICK: We can hear you just

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1 fine. Thank you.

2

3 Presentation by Mr. Rick Palmer, Saulteau First Nations:

4 MR. RICK PALMER: Okay. So it's Rick

5 Palmer speaking. The spelling of my name is Rick,

6 R-i-c-k. Palmer, P-a-l-m-e-r.

7 So the next two slides we'll just touch on

8 the fish population modelling, as many of you may

9 know, models are really vehicles for determining

10 predictions.

11 And the issue specifically with the modelling

12 that's being undertaken here is that fish

13 population models were conducted for identified

14 species of concern to determine if population-level

15 conservation objectives will be met following dam

16 construction.

17 When they speak of conservation objectives,

18 we're speaking of 10 percent of pre-project total

19 adult abundance.

20 Now, both Alyssa and I are not modelling

21 experts. Our company does not build models for

22 such activities, but we are fisheries biologists.

23 So we understand models from a high level, and we

24 recognize the importance of the input parameters,

25 and understand those parameters.

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1 So our points here are meant to help build a

2 more robust model, not necessarily pull apart a

3 model that's been recommended.

4 Volume 2, Appendix Q3, the models were

5 completed for Arctic grayling, bull trout, and

6 kokanee.

7 One of our key points is that several

8 unrealistic or unsupported assumptions; for

9 example, fixed recruitment, being the number of

10 eggs of Arctic grayling spawners, was fixed at

11 1,000.

12 Now, the models that are provided by BC Hydro

13 in addition don't have the sufficient detail, we

14 feel, regarding such things as the basis for these

15 parameter assumptions, including the validation of

16 the methods and robustness of the model results,

17 depending on the type of parameter inputs; for

18 example, sensitivity analysis being required.

19 A third point is that the models results were

20 not adequately tested for potential changes to the

21 input parameter values; once again, the recruitment

22 and the initial population size.

23 So the models, as described, do not include

24 the potential for dynamic interactions, such as the

25 change in the number of recruits, depending on the

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1 spawner density.

2 So, for example, the arctic grayling model

3 uses a fixed recruitment of 1,000 recruits per

4 spawner, which is identified in volume 2,

5 Appendix Q3, page 30.

6 And the bull trout model stipulates that the

7 number of age-3 recruits is independent of the

8 number of spawners. Volume 2, Appendix Q3,

9 page 20.

10 So these are, clearly, unrealistic

11 assumptions, and that models with a dynamic

12 interaction are required to adequately predict

13 spawning success and result in population

14 fluctuations.

15 The fourth point is the Beverton-Holt

16 stock-recruitment model used is less conservative,

17 and not appropriate for the types of species being

18 modelled.

19 The recruitment models were employed in the

20 fish population model (indiscernible) and Ricker

21 stock recruitment model is a little more sensitive

22 to the changes in abundance and is the most

23 commonly-employed model for predicting

24 relationships for (indiscernible) species.

25 One can look to the work done by Elliott in

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1 England and the extensive work that was done on

2 brown trout.

3 So on the fifth point is our feeling that a

4 secondary risk-based model would provide additional

5 support to predictions, and would be more

6 conservative for maintaining harvestable levels of

7 fish.

8 I'm going to slide 9.

9 Our suggested recommendations are:

10 - That there's an -- include more

11 realistic biological relationships. So, for

12 example, the fixed recruitment comment versus the

13 real world data from other systems. So looking to

14 other systems within British Columbia. And if

15 there's not sufficient information or sufficient

16 baseline data collected at -- for the project site,

17 then look to other areas to put that information

18 into the model.

19 - To perform some sensitivity testing.

20 And this was completed, but it wasn't clear as to

21 the amount of sensitivity testing that was done.

22 And shown in a systematic way to show the

23 robustness of the model was some of these parameter

24 combinations.

25 - To report the level of uncertainty. So

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1 how much do the outputs, the population size vary

2 from the mean? What are the confidence limits?

3 - To provide clear, scientific

4 justification, and validation of model parameter

5 assumptions. So, once again, a reference to the

6 real-world studies when selecting inputs, such as

7 passage efficiency, sockeye versus bull trout and

8 arctic grayling, the annual survival of bull trout

9 older than age-3.

10 - To use more appropriate Ricker

11 stock-recruitment function. So data from

12 (indiscernible) are usually supported more by the

13 Ricker model, which is suggested by a large

14 reference of material; however, we are only -- in

15 this bullet, this point -- we are only suggesting

16 that the use of both models is conducted. And a

17 comparison of those two models.

18 - And then the last bullet is to use

19 secondary risk-based model to compare and confirm

20 abundance-based model results.

21 So even if the results are similar, it will

22 help verify the estimates. If they are different,

23 then what you have done is not necessarily telling

24 us a whole lot.

25 So you want to have at least two types of

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1 models to verify the results of the model employed.

2 Back to you, Jesse.

3

4 Continued presentation by Mr. Jesse McCormick, Saulteau

5 First Nations:

6 MR. JESSE McCORMICK: Thank you, Rick.

7 Turning now to slide 10. Briefly discuss the

8 issue of fish stranding.

9 Fish stranding will occur during reservoir

10 creation, as well as part of the regular water

11 level fluctuations during operations. Essentially,

12 when the water level drops, there's the possibility

13 that the fish will become trapped in certain areas

14 and may face mortality as a result.

15 BC Hydro claims that fish-stranding effects

16 will be fully mitigated. However, the details are

17 quite scarce in relation to their mitigation

18 strategy, and the timelines for attempting to

19 address fish-stranding are quite limited.

20 Turning to slide 11, we do provide,

21 essentially, two main points of recommendation.

22 The first is that BC Hydro should be required

23 to provide further detail of the fish salvaging

24 program to support the claims that effects of

25 stranding will be fully mitigated. Questions such

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1 as:

2 How often will they be surveying?

3 What will be the triggers for surveillance?

4 How will the recapture program be designed?

5 What types of gear will they have available

6 to use?

7 And what types of methods will be employed to

8 reduce gear-size selectivity?

9 And, ultimately, what's going to happen in

10 the event of an emergency drain dam protocol where

11 the levels drop significantly?

12 And we would also request that BC Hydro

13 include estimated fish mortality from stranding in

14 population estimate modelling.

15 I will now turn to slide 12. And here we

16 note riparian or stream-side vegetation. And we

17 note that in the EIS guidelines, at Section 10.2.4,

18 in the subheading potential effects of the project

19 and proposed mitigation. The EIS will identify and

20 describe the aquatic and riparian habitat in

21 fisheries resources expected to be impacted by the

22 project.

23 And that may be found at hard copy page 52 of

24 the EIS guidelines.

25 And I would now like to ask Alyssa to provide

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1 some further information in relation to impacts of

2 the project on riparian vegetation.

3

4 Presentation by Ms. Alyssa Murdoch, Saulteau First

5 Nations:

6 MS. ALYSSA MURDOCH: Thank you, Jesse.

7 So my name is Alyssa Murdoch, as you were

8 already introduced. That's spelled A-l-y-s-s-a,

9 M-u-r-d-o-c-h.

10 So I'm going to speak a little bit about

11 riparian vegetation. It's a stream-side

12 vegetation, and it's an important component of the

13 aquatic environment because it provides nutrients

14 and food inputs, such as (indiscernible). It also

15 provides overhanging vegetation and woody debris

16 that enters the water and this serves as protective

17 cover for juvenile and adult fish. And it also

18 provides shading.

19 And the issue at-hand is that the conversion

20 of the Peace River into a reservoir will promote

21 the loss of a large area of existing, established

22 riverine stream-side vegetation. And in addition,

23 the regular water level fluctuations will reduce

24 the function of the new --

25 THE CHAIRMAN: Ms. Murdoch, could I

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1 interrupt you. It's Harry Swain. Can you slow

2 down just a bit, please.

3 MS. ALYSSA MURDOCH: Oh, yes.

4 THE CHAIRMAN: You're being transcribed.

5 MS. ALYSSA MURDOCH: Okay. So -- do you want me

6 to start over, or should I just continue from

7 there?

8 THE CHAIRMAN: No, carry on.

9 MS. ALYSSA MURDOCH: Okay. So the regular water

10 level fluctuations will reduce the function of new

11 reservoir riparian vegetation, as it will be

12 difficult for new plants to become fully

13 established, as the shoreline is constantly

14 fluctuating day-to-day.

15 So in the Environmental Impact Statement,

16 there is thorough assessment of the riparian

17 habitat loss along the river, or how functional the

18 new waterline will be on the reservoir.

19 So the new shoreline vegetation surrounding

20 the reservoir will have a lower influence on the

21 watershed for two different reasons.

22 So, first of all, the change from a river to

23 a reservoir will reduce the shoreline length

24 relative to the total surface area of the water.

25 That's the first reason.

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1 And then, second, the changing shoreline due

2 to water fluctuations will reduce the successful

3 establishment of plants, which will, in turn,

4 reduce food and nutrient inputs, and fish

5 protective cover and shading.

6 So I'm going to move now to slide 13, where

7 we outline our key recommendations for this

8 component.

9 So we think that:

10 - BC Hydro should provide an estimate of

11 the quality and quantity of predicted riparian

12 habitat loss.

13 - And that this should involve an

14 analytical discussion of how the new riparian

15 habitat with the constantly fluctuating water level

16 will be able to provide protective cover and shade

17 and food and nutrient input to fish relative to the

18 existing established stream-side vegetation.

19 - And we indicate that they should --

20 this is a requirement in order to develop the

21 fisheries productivity offsetting plan. So it

22 should be included into this so that it can be

23 incorporated into any sort of stream enhancement or

24 creation activities that are proposed.

25 Okay. And now I'll give it back to Jesse for

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1 the conclusions.

2

3 Continued presentation by Mr. Jesse McCormick, Saulteau

4 First Nations:

5 MR. JESSE McCORMICK: Thank you, Alyssa.

6 Looking now at slide 14, you see here are our

7 main conclusions.

8 Despite the large array of documentation that

9 has been supplied by BC Hydro, there still remains

10 a substantial amount of uncertainty in the

11 assessment. We account that to the fact that there

12 are some legitimate unknown information.

13 There are some unrealistic model assumptions,

14 and there's a lack of transparency in some

15 respects.

16 As indicated by the EIS, future research and

17 adaptive management and monitoring programs will

18 strive to provide new information to best inform

19 management practices of local fisheries.

20 However, increased transparency and

21 development of model assumptions will allow a much

22 more effective assessment of future biological

23 conditions in the reservoir and the Moberly River.

24 In particular, future bull trout and Arctic

25 grayling productivity largely hinges on the

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1 accuracy of model assumptions and parameter

2 sensitivity.

3 I'll note that again:

4 Future bull trout and Arctic grayling

5 productivity largely hinges on the accuracy of

6 model assumptions and parameter sensitivity.

7 The information we're receiving from these

8 models is used to inform the mitigation measures

9 and to the degree that the models are deficient,

10 and their analysis is deficient, there's a

11 possibility that the mitigation measures will be as

12 well.

13 So bull trout projections are, as presented

14 by BC Hydro, currently meet population level

15 conservation objectives. However, there's a range

16 of unrealistic and unsupportable detail included in

17 the model, which led to the optimistic conclusion.

18 The sustainability of Moberly River Arctic

19 grayling seems unpredictable and arguably unlikely,

20 even if a rigorous trap and haul mitigation program

21 is implemented.

22 Considering this, future research programs

23 and proposed productivity offsetting should focus

24 on the viability of maintaining this fishery and/or

25 compensating for productivity elsewhere.

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1 Turning now to slide 15, we see a list of

2 recommendations. It's a summary of much of the

3 information that's already been provided, with a

4 little bit more detail throughout this

5 presentation.

6 The panel may recall that during the

7 presentation by the Department of Fisheries and

8 Oceans, I had the opportunity to ask the department

9 whether they believed that there would be room for

10 improvement in the analyses that were conducted by

11 BC Hydro, and they did confirm that in the view of

12 the Department of Fisheries and Oceans there is

13 room for improvement in this analysis.

14 And for ease of reference, that confirmation

15 may be found at pages 250 and 251 of the

16 transcript, Volume 19.

17 So the following slides offer recommendations

18 for improvements and we'd invite the panel to

19 consider them and include them in your final

20 report.

21 I won't go through all of them for the sake

22 of time; however, I'd like to highlight the first

23 two for your consideration. Those being: BC Hydro

24 should develop an offsetting plan to address the

25 potential effects on Arctic grayling, bull trout,

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1 and mountain whitefish productivity.

2 And, two, Saulteau First Nations' priorities,

3 including fish species of concern in local habitats

4 should be considered during offsetting plan

5 development.

6 And you'll see here the collection of

7 recommendations that we would like you to

8 consider -- and we have those available for you on

9 the record for review. We'd be happy to answer any

10 questions you may have.

11 I will note that this is the last

12 presentation of Saulteau First Nations before the

13 panel. And we will be leaving pleased to have had

14 the opportunity to present before the panel.

15 I would like to acknowledge the courtesy that

16 is characterized in these proceedings and offer our

17 gratitude to the panel's Secretariat for their

18 tireless efforts to keep these rolling, and all the

19 efforts they have made to ensure that Saulteau

20 First Nations' participation has been facilitated.

21 And subject to any questions you may have, we

22 wish you well in your deliberations.

23 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Mr. McCormick.

24 I think we should go directly to BC Hydro.

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1 Comments by Mr. Brent Mossop, BC Hydro:

2 MR. BRENT MOSSOP: Thank you, Mr. Chair, we'll

3 respond to the four items raised.

4 With respect to fisheries productivity and

5 offsetting, we expect an overall increase in

6 fisheries productivity as measured by the increase

7 in total biomass of fish species that are

8 harvested, but with a change in species

9 composition.

10 For species harvested by Saulteau First

11 Nations, we expect an increase in rainbow trout,

12 bull trout, burbot, sucker species, and northern

13 pike, and a decline in Arctic grayling and mountain

14 whitefish.

15 An offsetting plan referred to here is a

16 specific component under the process for the

17 Fisheries Act authorization should the project

18 proceed to that stage. We've outlined the

19 framework for this plan in the follow-up response

20 to Joint Review Panel information request number

21 78.

22 As one component during operations, we

23 propose a compensation fund that would follow an

24 adaptive approach to habitat compensation, or

25 offsetting, coordinated with directed monitoring of

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1 the response of the aquatic ecosystem.

2 We have an understanding of the habitat

3 enhancement opportunities in the Peace River,

4 Site C, reservoir, and tributaries. For species of

5 interest to Saulteau First Nation, such as Arctic

6 grayling, the recommendations that Saulteau

7 presented are consistent with our proposed

8 approach.

9 We understand there are opportunities to

10 support information collection, research,

11 enhancement, and monitoring of Arctic grayling in

12 watersheds where they reside such as the Moberly,

13 Halfway, Pine, and Beatton watershed.

14 For an example of the types of enhancement

15 opportunities, we understand that fish movement,

16 past road crossings is a concern in some

17 watersheds, and is a priority opportunity for

18 enhancement that has been identified by the

19 Province.

20 These are the types of opportunities that can

21 be implemented over the longer term.

22 So we look forward to continuing to work with

23 Saulteau First Nations to get their input on

24 enhancement opportunities, priorities, and

25 opportunities to engage Saulteau technicians in

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1 this work.

2 With respect to Saulteau's comments on fish

3 stranding during construction, Section 12.4.3.2 and

4 12.5.2.1 of the EIS fully characterize the

5 increased range of water level fluctuations, the

6 potential effects on fish health and survival, and

7 prescribe a program of fish surveillance, salvage,

8 and fishery location to mitigate the residual

9 effects of stranding during construction.

10 A concern raised is that the surveillance and

11 relocation measures may miss small fish and be less

12 effective in some habitats.

13 BC Hydro has over a decade -- has for over a

14 decade conducted surveillance and relocation

15 measures at major facilities throughout the

16 Province.

17 Informed by ongoing operational monitoring,

18 these proven mitigation measures are customized to

19 the facility-specific hydrology, fish habitat, and

20 fish life history attributes to maximize

21 effectiveness. The same approach will be taken at

22 Site C.

23 Third, Saulteau First Nation raised concerns

24 with riparian vegetation around the reservoir.

25 Riparian vegetation is a transition zone between

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1 aquatic and terrestrial environments. The effects

2 on which are described in Volume 2, Section 13.4,

3 and in Appendix R.

4 Attributes of fish habitat in the proposed

5 reservoir such as riparian vegetation were

6 integrated into predicted changes in the biomass of

7 each fish species using multiple lines of evidence,

8 which were then integrated into an ecosystem model

9 as described previously.

10 As a point of clarification, riparian

11 vegetation is most important for fish along small

12 streams where its shade prevents rapid warming

13 during the hot summer days.

14 In the reservoir, the large volume of water

15 results in much slower warming so would not exceed

16 the normal temperature range of cold water fish

17 species such as rainbow trout or bull trout.

18 Riparian vegetation in streams also provides

19 woody debris and cover for fish, but in a

20 reservoir; fish use deep areas for cover, often

21 avoiding the shallow areas during the daytime. And

22 moving into the shallows or near-surface habitats

23 at night to forge.

24 Riparian vegetation in streams also provides

25 a food source of terrestrial insects that fall into

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1 the water and are eaten by fish; whereas in a lake

2 or reservoir, the food comes primarily -- pardon

3 me -- the food comes from primary and secondary

4 production, including zooplankton and benthic

5 invertebrates and not dependent on riparian

6 sources.

7 Despite the more limited role of riparian

8 vegetation for fish in a reservoir, BC Hydro has

9 provided mitigation measures for riparian

10 vegetation that will include planting a 15-metre

11 riparian buffer at BC Hydro-owned farmland, lacking

12 vegetation around the reservoir to provide riparian

13 habitat and bank stabilization.

14 And I will turn to Mr. Marmorek.

15 MR. DAVID MARMOREK: With respect to the

16 Saulteau's comments on fish population modelling in

17 Volume 2, Appendix Q2, none of the changes or

18 supplemental modelling that they suggested would

19 affect the key conclusions of the EIS regarding the

20 effects of passage and reservoir creation on bull

21 trout, Arctic grayling, mountain whitefish, or

22 kokanee, as described on page 12-65 of the EIS.

23 I'll discuss below each of the four modelling

24 issues raised by the Saulteau First Nation.

25 One, model structure and assumptions. The

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1 structure and assumptions of the single species

2 models in Appendix Q3 were reviewed at three

3 workshops involving representatives from DFO,

4 Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations, and

5 the BC Ministry of Environment, and were later

6 independently reviewed by Dr. Josh Korman.

7 Page 12 of DFO's submission, CEAR 1909,

8 concurred with the conclusions of the modelling in

9 Appendix Q3.

10 Given the uncertainties inherent in the

11 response of fish populations, BC Hydro has provided

12 follow-up monitoring to verify predictions and

13 guide future mitigation actions.

14 Two, the Arctic grayling model assumptions.

15 Saulteau First Nations questioned the validity of

16 using an assumed 1,000 recruits per spawner for the

17 Arctic grayling model in Appendix Q3. This was an

18 undertaking for DFO on January 13th, undertaking

19 53, which was just submitted today by DFO to the

20 record.

21 First, to clarify. The Arctic grayling model

22 did not use 1,000 recruits per spawner. 1,000 was

23 a fixed number of age-1 juvenile recruits. The

24 intent of the single species model for Arctic

25 grayling that spawn in the Moberly River was to

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1 inform the relative assessment of alternative fish

2 passage mitigation measures.

3 The model calculated a suite of biological

4 performance measures under several alternative fish

5 passage mitigation measures, and alternative

6 hypotheses about the behaviour of the Arctic

7 grayling population.

8 There was insufficient empirical information

9 available in the literature on the shape of stock

10 recruit curves for Arctic grayling; that is, how

11 the number of juveniles changes as a function of

12 the number of spawners.

13 Therefore, the model was simplified to assume

14 fixed recruitment of juveniles and then apply to

15 examine how much mortality occurred between the

16 juvenile stage and the spawning stage under

17 different passage assumptions.

18 We used a fixed number of 1,000 juvenile

19 recruits. This value was simply a scaling factor.

20 It could have been set to 100 or even to one.

21 The model results are reported as a relative

22 measure, the percentage of the pre-project

23 population. And are, therefore, not sensitive to

24 the assumption of the number of juvenile recruits.

25 In summary, the structure of the Arctic

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1 grayling model incorporated as much population

2 dynamics is as scientifically defensible, given the

3 limited available information.

4 The above explanation is essentially

5 identical to the response provided today by DFO to

6 undertaking 53, which was developed entirely

7 independently.

8 The Saulteau recommend sensitivity analyses

9 and prediction uncertainty bounds. Appendix Q3, in

10 fact, included sensitivity analyses using

11 alternative assumptions for key uncertainties in

12 fish behaviour that were identified by workshop

13 participants and model authors and were

14 subsequently peer-reviewed.

15 The EIS conclusions were robust to the range

16 of assumptions for these uncertainties.

17 Three, the form of stock recruitment

18 modelled. A change from Beverton-Holt to Ricker

19 functions was previously addressed by Mr. McCormick

20 on January 13th to Dr. Mike Bradford of DFO. And

21 Dr. Bradford responded that the Beverton-Holt

22 function is appropriate for bull trout.

23 Four, the use of secondary risk

24 based-modelling approaches. The approach suggested

25 by the consultants to the Saulteau, Staples et al

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1 2005, is concerned with the design and analysis of

2 monitoring program data. While such an approach

3 could be applied to post-project monitoring data,

4 it is not appropriate to the pre-project EIS stage.

5 Thank you.

6 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. I can hardly wait

7 to hear Hydro's summary of the last two days as we

8 get through the life history of fishes and moose

9 dynamics and all kinds of stuff, but I think the

10 issue may settle down to the subject that we had an

11 exhaustive briefing on from Mr. Lidstone last

12 night.

13 The effect that there are limits to what we

14 can know, or predict, and we need some kind of

15 ongoing monitoring mechanism and some institutional

16 basis for doing it. Fort St. John was suggesting

17 that they would like to have that. They didn't

18 seem to be averse to expanding their focus or

19 expending the participants on such a process.

20 So my question to you, Mr. McCormack is

21 whether Saulteau First Nation would be interested

22 in taking part in a monitoring mechanism yet to be

23 designed.

24 MR. JESSE McCORMICK: Thank you for the question,

25 Mr. Chairman.

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1 The recommendations do include the future

2 participation of Saulteau First Nations and

3 compensation measures and I believe mitigation

4 measure development, as well, if the project were

5 to go forward, we would certainly --

6 THE CHAIRMAN: I'm thinking of this

7 specifically in the a context where the numerous

8 communities in the Peace River Valley would work

9 together with Hydro and other agencies under some

10 kind of monitor who could help people make

11 decisions and get on with things.

12 MR. JESSE McCORMICK: The --

13 THE CHAIRMAN: What I'm troubled with is the

14 idea that we're going to wind up with 30 monitoring

15 mechanisms or something.

16 MR. JESSE McCORMICK: No, certainly. And I'm not

17 in a position to offer any recommendations on

18 particular structures that might be implemented.

19 The only thing that Saulteau First Nations would

20 want to see is the meaningful engagement and

21 participation of Saulteau First Nations in the

22 development and identification of those mitigation

23 measures.

24 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you. That's

25 helpful.

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1 Any questions?

2 Are there questions from the floor?

3 We know all we need to know about the life

4 history of arctic grayling and so on? Okay.

5 In that case, I would turn to Hydro for their

6 summary reflections of the last -- their reflection

7 upon the last couple days.

8 MR. JESSE McCORMICK: Thank you, panel members.

9

10 Closing comments by BC Hydro:

11 MS. SUSAN YURKOVICH: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

12 And as you have accurately noted, we have

13 covered a lot of waterfront. And while my remarks

14 this morning were very brief, I do want to make

15 sure that we reflect what we have heard over the

16 last couple of days. So, please, I beg your

17 indulgence to cover that material now.

18 So we started with Mr. Baker yesterday. He

19 provided us with an overview of the process of

20 mercury methylation and the links to human health.

21 Health Canada provided us with a presentation

22 commenting on our BC Hydro's Human Health

23 Assessment, particularly, as it related to that

24 topic.

25 I would note that BC Hydro conducted its

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1 health assessment in accordance with Health

2 Canada's guidance and in accordance with the EIS

3 guidelines that were scoped to be consistent with

4 the requirements applicable to this project and

5 these baseline conditions.

6 We have also heard about the perception of

7 levels of methylmercury in fish. And we have

8 proposed a collaborative data-gathering approach

9 and communications program moving forward.

10 We appreciate that Health Canada has endorsed

11 that idea of a stronger communications plan, and

12 agrees that BC Hydro should work with all levels of

13 government to communicate information to Aboriginal

14 peoples, and to develop an effective monitoring

15 program.

16 We will do this, and any new information will

17 be available to the Aboriginal communities to make

18 sure that they have good data on fish consumption,

19 as well as to the population as a whole.

20 Health Canada also had comments on drinking

21 water, and raised the issue of uncertainty about

22 whether any ground or surface water sources, used

23 by Aboriginal communities, may experience changes

24 during reservoir filling due to the need to keep

25 private well information confidential.

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1 We can, however, confirm that these wells are

2 not those relied on by the First Nations. The

3 closest community is, in fact, the Saulteau First

4 Nations, approximately 10 kilometres over land

5 south of the proposed reservoir.

6 Saulteau's community wells and water

7 reservoirs are -- would be too far to be impacted

8 and to experience any adverse effects.

9 I believe that Madam Beaudet requested

10 yesterday a copy of the Health Canada 1989 document

11 that documented the reaction of a people to noise

12 to which Health Canada committed to provide a

13 current draft.

14 BC Hydro would like to clarify that a 2011

15 version of the Health Canada draft guidance was

16 used for Appendix M, the technical data report on

17 noise and vibration.

18 The Health Canada draft guidance was used in

19 the technical study, and in the EIS in Section 33

20 on health to define noise sensitive receptors so

21 that the potential effects from noise were

22 considered at the appropriate locations.

23 We then had a presentation from Ms. Nelson on

24 behalf of the Treaty 8 Tribal Association. She

25 discussed the challenges of accessing and dealing

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1 with increased demand for community services.

2 BC Hydro has not had the opportunity to

3 discuss mitigation measures with Treaty 8 on these,

4 but we are committed to having those discussions

5 when Treaty 8 Tribal Association is ready to do so.

6 And then we had a joint presentation from the

7 Treaty 8 Tribal Association, Peace Valley

8 landowners, Peace Valley environmental and Y2Y, who

9 together made a presentation on an alternate vision

10 for the Peace River Valley.

11 Our flood reserve technical memo describes

12 the current vision of the Province in the form of

13 the two land and resource management plans that

14 cover the project activity zone in explicit

15 consideration of the potential development of the

16 Site C project. This was used where appropriate to

17 understand the likely future of the Peace River

18 Valley without the project in the EIS.

19 We had a presentation from panel from

20 Saulteau First Nations who discussed the potential

21 social impacts from development and then provided a

22 list of ten potential mitigation measures. Many of

23 those described were directed to federal and

24 provincial governments, but there were also areas

25 where Saulteau First Nations believes that BC Hydro

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1 could participate. We look forward to continuing

2 our discussion with Saulteau towards an impact

3 benefits agreement and discussing the options with

4 them.

5 Ms. Darvill presented on her Master's thesis

6 on ecosystem hotspots. Ms. Darvill has suggested

7 that cultural ecosystem services should be

8 considered, and I would note that many of the

9 sections of the EIS present information related to

10 the topics that she raised.

11 In the afternoon and evening, we had a series

12 of presentations from City of Fort St. John. There

13 are a number of things that I would like to

14 address. They are not necessarily in the order of

15 how they were presented.

16 Mr. Dumbrell presented first on the topic of

17 population and labour forecast. Our assessment of

18 future housing with us developed in consideration

19 of the city's official community plan, the city's

20 development map and with discussion with staff.

21 The current city's OCP anticipates a growth of 8 to

22 10,000 people in the next 10 years, and 20 to

23 30,000 in the next 25.

24 This is much greater than what BC Hydro and

25 BC Stats includes in its base case population

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1 projections.

2 The official community plan states that the

3 community has adequate land resources to support

4 this growth for the foreseeable future.

5 As population grows, the city will, quote:

6

7 "Will focus on infill

8 opportunities and densification

9 within our existing service

10 boundaries."

11

12 But we do also understand that there is a

13 boundary extension process under way.

14 According to BC Stats, a population forecast,

15 the project will advance by about two to

16 three years, the need for services, and will have a

17 negligible effect once the project is operational.

18 We do appreciate the work, the considerable

19 work, that the city has done to outline the

20 community needs for their future.

21 We have heard their concern about their

22 ability to pay for future population growth, and

23 understand that while the project is located

24 outside their current boundaries, it is adjacent to

25 the city.

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1 For these reasons, we have made a proposal to

2 provide a financial contribution to the city in

3 addition to other mitigation measures.

4 A tax-based proposal was one that was made

5 because it provides consistency and transparency

6 for how industry contributes to local government

7 revenue.

8 We have been unable to find a similar

9 mechanism to the financial impact model proposed by

10 the city for a single project proponent. However,

11 we remain optimistic that we can work

12 collaboratively to find a model that can address

13 the city's concerns in a way that also meets the

14 needs of BC Hydro to do so in a way that is

15 transparent and consistent or comparable with how

16 other industrial entities contribute to local

17 government revenue.

18 Councillor Bolin made a presentation with

19 respect to housing. He expressed concern that

20 BC Hydro should be doing more to mitigate the

21 potential effects on the housing market.

22 We've noted previously that our camp will be

23 planned to provide a bed for each worker, and we

24 will have our contractors on shift arrangements,

25 which will be discussed with the city, and believe

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1 the absence of a living-out allowance will create a

2 strong, financial, inducement for workers to use

3 camp or temporary accommodations.

4 In partnership with BC housing, we have all

5 proposed to fund 50 new housing units within the

6 city, and will be providing funds for non-profit

7 emergency and transitional housing.

8 The city has expressed a concern about

9 managing the pressure on the local rental market.

10 We believe the use of camps and the preparation for

11 up-scaling them, as required and the provision of

12 the 50 additional housing units will substantially

13 mitigate some of that demand, but we also have

14 proposed to monitor the rental housing market, and

15 to understand BC Hydro's influence on that market,

16 and, if necessary, take other measures.

17 Finally, with respect to housing, the city

18 requested an update on our status of our agreement

19 with BC housing, and we have signed a letter of

20 intent with them, which enables them to advance the

21 planning on these units, and they will do that with

22 input from the city.

23 We had a presentation from Mr. Donnelly on

24 transportation, and, as he noted, BC Hydro is

25 collaborating with the city, its consultants, and

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1 the Ministry in developing a City of Fort St. John

2 traffic monitoring and mitigation plan, or TMMP.

3 It will include traffic volume and road safety

4 monitoring activities that would take place leading

5 up to construction of dam, and during construction.

6 The TMMP states that actual transportation

7 conditions will be assessed during the construction

8 period, and that unforeseen impacts will be

9 adequately addressed on an ongoing and timely basis

10 during construction. And we will be working with

11 the city to finalize this plan.

12 Just briefly, on the water system, Mr. Coxon

13 and Mr. Watterson made a presentation on the city's

14 water system, and, as they indicated, BC Hydro and

15 the city have worked to an agreed and appropriate

16 monitoring program for the water supply system,

17 including BC Hydro's implementation of a surface

18 water quality monitoring program that will align

19 with the ongoing City of Fort St. John water supply

20 monitoring they already undertake.

21 And I think, importantly, if adverse effects

22 are identified due to the project, BC Hydro would

23 be responsible for undertaking the appropriate

24 mitigation.

25 Ms. Hunter presented on the city's concerns

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1 with respect to RCMP resources. We have met with

2 the Ministry of Justice, the city, and the RCMP to

3 discuss policing resources.

4 As we mentioned yesterday, the Ministry's

5 recommendation was the embedding of an officer into

6 the project to be able to accurately evaluate the

7 project impacts, and to provide advice to us about

8 responsible management around safety and security,

9 both of our camp and our project as a whole.

10 We believe this is a sensible approach, and

11 we have agreed to fund and to support the officer

12 in this planning.

13 We will also be providing direct funding

14 under agreement with the Ministry of Justice to

15 increase police resources in the region, once the

16 appropriate complement is determined.

17 We heard from Mr. Lidstone about the

18 potential effects of the project to the city. Now,

19 he noted that they were unique because there were

20 no federal or provincial government agency to

21 oversee monitoring.

22 As we understand the city's position, it has

23 requested an independent monitoring body with

24 powers to ensure mitigation is performed and to be

25 able to draw on a reserve fund.

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1 Mr. Chair, we'll say more about this in our

2 argument, our final argument, but as per your

3 request of last evening, we would like to provide

4 some comments now, if we may.

5 Mr. Lidstone has suggested that the 1983

6 monitoring program, recommended by the BCUC, should

7 be used as the model for overseeing the potential

8 effects to the city.

9 In 1983, the Utilities Commission created the

10 monitoring program under Section 25.1 of the

11 Utilities Commission Act in force at the time,

12 which gave the lieutenant governor and council the

13 authority to empower a person to enforce conditions

14 of an order or certificate and to add to those

15 conditions.

16 Neither the BCEA Act or the CEAA Act were in

17 place at the time. And Section 25.1 of the

18 Utilities Commission Act has since been repealed.

19 As I'm sure you know, this process of today is

20 being conducted under very different legislation

21 schemes than in 1983.

22 Therefore, it can't be assumed that the same

23 monitoring program that was recommended in 1983

24 under a different Act can or should be implemented

25 today.

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1 Mr. Lidstone also stated that the potential

2 effects to the city would not be subject to

3 regulatory oversight, and suggested that mitigation

4 may not occur. We are somewhat perplexed by this

5 remark.

6 Under both the BCEA Act and CEAA 2012, there

7 is a clear mechanism in place for monitoring and

8 enforcement.

9 The environmental assessment office explained

10 this in its letter of October 2nd, 2013 to the

11 Peace River Regional District.

12 I would note that, as part of its submission,

13 the city filed two audit reports of the EAO

14 oversight of certified projects, and I would just

15 like to point a couple of things out from that

16 second audit of 2012.

17 First, the EAO complied with the auditor's

18 request to clarify post-certification monitoring

19 responsibilities --

20 (Stenographer requests speaker to slow

21 speaking speed).

22 Sorry, Nancy. Sorry.

23 First, the EAO complied with the auditor's

24 request to clarify post-certification monitoring

25 responsibilities and compliance mechanisms.

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1 Second, the EAO now develops a compliance

2 management plan for each EA process.

3 And third, a component of the EAO compliance

4 and enforcement program is oversight of proponent

5 self-monitoring and compliance inspections. We

6 are, therefore, a bit puzzled by the submission

7 that there would be no body overseeing monitoring

8 and effects to the city.

9 Between the EAO and the permitting agencies,

10 there is a comprehensive scheme of regulation and

11 enforcement, and, in our view, another institution

12 is not required.

13 Mr. Lidstone also suggested three mechanisms

14 by which monitoring could be structured.

15 The first was through Section 33 of the BC

16 Environmental Assessment Act. We don't agree that

17 that section actually provides the authority to set

18 up a monitoring body, and we will say more about

19 that in our final argument.

20 The second mechanism suggested was to --

21 marrying together a number of sections under the

22 Utilities Commission Act.

23 While Mr. Lidstone did not specify what

24 sections he was referring to, and we do not see any

25 sections which would give the commission the -- we

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1 don't see any sections that would give the

2 commission the necessary powers, it would be

3 surprising, then, to result -- it would be a

4 surprising result to use the Utilities Commission

5 Act to monitor and enforce the terms of a

6 certificate granted under a different statute.

7 And the third suggestion, Mr. Lidstone

8 suggested is by way of an agreement. And as we've

9 stated, we are in favour of entering into an

10 agreement with the city, and those negotiations are

11 ongoing. And we continue to be optimistic that we

12 can achieve an agreement that would be set out in a

13 formal document.

14 Finally, with respect to the eight issues

15 that were listed as those that would require an

16 enforcement mechanism to apply, the topics that

17 were raised in relation are fairly narrow in

18 relation to the broad EIS. And already have the

19 involvement and oversight of existing institution.

20 I'll quickly just to -- policing, a decision

21 on the incremental funding of policing resources

22 will be determined by the Ministry of Justice, but

23 we have agreed, as I said, to fund the planning and

24 incremental resources.

25 For 85th Avenue, reclamation, the site is

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1 currently in the Peace River Regional District.

2 And as again, we have noted, we have provided a

3 site mitigation plan and have proposed to develop a

4 site to have -- the jurisdiction develop a site

5 master plan that would guide the final grades and

6 replacement of internal roads and power lines,

7 et cetera.

8 Traffic management and mitigations, MOTI, is

9 the appropriate agency to review these plans.

10 As far as number four: housing. Units built

11 by BC housing and BC Hydro would be permitted by

12 the city and in accordance with BC building codes.

13 For air quality, BC Ministry of Environment

14 provides air quality management objectives that

15 BC Hydro has to propose to follow in its management

16 plan. For microclimate, there are no identified

17 effects on the city.

18 For water supply, as we noted, we have a

19 draft agreement on the respective roles and

20 monitoring. And if adverse impacts are noted, we

21 will be responsible for mitigation.

22 And, finally, the direct financial

23 contribution. There is a difference in -- we still

24 have a difference -- this is a subject to

25 negotiation, and when we reach an agreement, as I

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1 am hopeful we will, it will be in a formal document

2 that we would abide by.

3 We recognize that the establishment of a

4 monitoring program is a priority for the city, and

5 others. And as set out on page 5 of our proposal,

6 we have committed to create a community liaison

7 committee that would meet monthly or as-required

8 throughout the project's construction phase to

9 review progress about -- of the project and to

10 discuss any associated community issues and

11 interests.

12 This committee could review -- have regular

13 updates about construction, construction

14 scheduling, up-coming activities. It could

15 represent the local community in terms of bringing

16 forward concerns and interests as they arise.

17 Could work with the construction team and other

18 members, to identify and discuss project associated

19 community interests and issues. And to seek

20 solutions to review reports on mitigation and

21 follow-up programs, specified in the conditions of

22 the provincial EA and federal decision statement.

23 And to review information and development and

24 implementation of environmental management plans

25 and monitoring reports through those EMPs

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1 As indicated on page 6 of our proposal to the

2 city, again, we would set out these in a legally --

3 an agreement between city and BC Hydro would be

4 legally-binding.

5 And we do also support the request for a

6 dispute resolution mechanism, and suggest that that

7 could be included in that agreement.

8 So BC Hydro has concluded agreements -- I

9 would just say that we have concluded agreements

10 with other communities, and we remain hopeful that

11 we can also do so with Fort St. John to resolve any

12 remaining details on mitigation and monitoring and

13 to reach a formal agreement.

14 Finally, I would just say that we believe the

15 Joint Review Panel should have confidence that

16 BC Hydro will live up to its commitments and legal

17 obligations. And it can and should have confidence

18 in the existing legal and regulatory regime to

19 ensure that that is the case.

20 We finished last night with a presentation

21 from Mr. Whiten, and appreciate the historical

22 perspective he brings, and we note the strong role

23 played by the provincial government in some of the

24 planning initiatives that he discussed.

25 This morning, we began with a presentation

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1 from Kwadacha's legal counsel regarding concerns

2 about price of regional goods and services.

3 Given the distance of the Kwadacha community

4 from the project and its primary reliance on Prince

5 George, at the Prince George market, we would

6 expect -- we would not expect a large degree of

7 overlap between the project and Fort Ware's demand

8 for services.

9 BC Hydro's measures to encourage local

10 contractor participation in the project may also be

11 expected to lead to an increase in local contractor

12 capacity as industry grows to meet demand.

13 And we are committed to working with Kwadacha

14 to participate in trades, training for Kwadacha

15 members, in addition to the training initiatives

16 that we have already discussed, there's a

17 newly-established heavy-duty equipment operator

18 course that's offered through the College of New

19 Caledonia in Mackenzie.

20 Dr. Badenhorst described the boom and bust

21 cycles, and their impact on communities. Northeast

22 BC, even with the project, is not forecast for a

23 decline --

24 Sorry.

25 As the project construction phase slows,

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1 forecast growth in other sectors continues,

2 resulting in a transition of opportunities from the

3 project to these sectors at the end of

4 construction.

5 We agree that we play a key role -- we have a

6 key role to play in helping communities to plan and

7 to prepare for both the onset and the

8 demobilization project.

9 We appreciate the input and plans and

10 policies of Northern Health, and we very much

11 welcome the suggestion to be part of a forum to

12 work with other industries and the Northern Health

13 to address some of the important issues that

14 Dr. Badenhorst raised today.

15 Ms. Gagnon from the Fort St. John development

16 centre provided a presentation of the really

17 valuable work that they do in this community and

18 the pressures they are experiencing. We have heard

19 these pressures and concerns from other non-profit

20 organization.

21 Ms. Gagnon has requested more formal

22 discussions with BC Hydro to plan and to prepare

23 for the potential impacts of Site C.

24 We greatly appreciate her willingness to

25 continue our engagement, and we had the opportunity

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1 to discuss a couple of option at the break. We

2 look forward to our next meeting with her and her

3 team.

4 Representatives from Forests, Lands and

5 Natural Resources were present to address tourism,

6 and also to answer questions. I won't summarize

7 the questions, but on the tourism, I would note

8 that BC Hydro will continue to support regional

9 tourism through our existing visitor centres,

10 including the Bennett Dam, which has about 10,000

11 visitors each year.

12 In addition, too, we have committed to

13 maintenance of boat launches and recreational and

14 new RV sites, which we believe will benefit the

15 recreational vehicle travellers that Ms. Davis

16 noted were an important part of tourism in this

17 region.

18 During construction, we anticipate that the

19 unique opportunity to view a large dam under

20 construction may also attract niche tourists, and

21 we are providing safe viewpoints to support that

22 interest.

23 And, finally, we have proposed to support

24 local area museums, who also have an important role

25 to play in tourism. There are several in area that

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1 provide interpretive opportunities related to the

2 fur trade. These include the North Peace museum in

3 Fort St. John, Hudson's Hope historical society,

4 and replica historic Rocky Mountain Fort dedicated

5 to the original northwest company fort founded in

6 1796 that exist at the Peace Island Park in Taylor.

7 Mr. Churchill shared his passion for the

8 valley and the region and the many ways this place

9 is special to his family. We understand that his

10 personal attachment to the valley is strong, and he

11 does not wish to see this project proceed.

12 I would just like to make a brief comment

13 with respect to consultation. I believe our

14 consultation efforts have been extensive and we

15 sought early input. Many of the staff and the

16 experts that are here were those that attended

17 those consultations because we believed it was

18 important for those who were responsible for the

19 project design and assessment to be directly

20 engaged in the consultation process.

21 Dr. Ciruna from Forests, Lands and Natural

22 Resource Operations presented to us about the

23 Dawson Creek operational trial for cumulative

24 effects. This process provides a mechanism for

25 policy objectives and management at a regional

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1 scale, and was described as a separate, but

2 complimentary, to project level assessments.

3 When completed, we feel this work will prove

4 very useful for BC Hydro and for other proponents

5 in the implementation of mitigation measures guided

6 by regional policy objectives --

7 THE CHAIRMAN: Excuse me, would you leave

8 those doors alone, please, until we are finished.

9 MS. YURKOVICH: Guided by regional policy

10 objectives and management development by the

11 Province in consideration of regional cumulative

12 effects.

13 And, finally, we heard from Mr. Thompson's

14 concerns regarding potential weather impacts in the

15 Fort St. John -- as Mr. Lundgren discussed in some

16 detail at the atmospheric topic session earlier in

17 these hearings, any changes to microclimate at the

18 airport will not be statistically significant; as

19 an upper limit, there might be change in fog at the

20 airport of seven hours per year. For this reason,

21 we did not propose mitigation measures to address

22 fog at the airport.

23 I would like to confirm that our approach and

24 our preliminary results of our assessment were

25 reviewed by Grant Youngson, senior air specialist

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1 at Transport Canada, who considered the approach

2 taken to be appropriate.

3 Thank you, panel, and thank you for your

4 indulgence. It's been a very busy two days.

5 THE CHAIRMAN: It has indeed. Thank you

6 very much.

7 The panel, the whole show, goes to Blueberry

8 River tomorrow, and we'll be back here on Thursday

9 for, what promises to be, an interesting session on

10 the need, purpose, and alternatives to the project.

11 So for those of you who are going to be here

12 on Thursday, maybe we'll see you at 9 o'clock.

13 Thank you very much.

14 Just so everyone knows, there is a special

15 presentation by Treaty 8, which is what was going

16 on behind the walls there, they are going to open

17 the walls, and then you are most welcome to turn

18 your chairs around and watch what should be quite

19 an interesting performance.

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21 (Proceedings adjourned at 5:20 p.m.)

22 (Performance by Treaty 8 First Nations entitled:

23 "Dreamer's Prophecy")

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Mainland Reporting Services Inc. 604.520.3838 [email protected] 2

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Mainland Reporting Services Inc. 604.520.3838 [email protected] 3

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125:17; 155:1; 157:7; 195:16, 19; 196:4, 18; Attachie [1] - 157:1 234:2 171:23; 172:2, 6, 10, 13, 197:23; 198:22; 201:23; attachment [2] - 51:3; awareness [4] - 71:3, 5; 25; 173:4, 10, 16; 182:21; 202:3; 203:8; 213:6; 214:5, 282:10 101:22; 102:11 183:7, 10; 186:5, 13; 7, 18; 215:21; 220:7, 9; attempt [1] - 135:19 axiom [2] - 139:2, 6 226:11; 232:25; 233:6, 9, 228:17; 232:20; 246:16; attempting [1] - 243:18 11; 241:17; 243:13; 248:11, 22; 258:1; 263:1; attend [1] - 130:23 B 255:20; 265:24 266:17; 273:9; 282:19; attended [3] - 45:3; 203:17; arguably [1] - 249:19 283:24 282:16 BA3 [1] - 229:1 argue [1] - 213:13 Assessment [12] - 133:10; attendees [1] - 142:16 Bachelor [2] - 231:24; argued [1] - 93:1 152:11; 163:13, 25; attending [1] - 209:22 232:11 argument [6] - 155:24; 177:11, 22; 178:19; attention [2] - 29:21; 117:6 Bachelor's [1] - 131:20 197:25; 198:14; 272:2; 196:22; 198:2; 205:25; attitude [1] - 138:7 back-casting [1] - 170:12 274:19 262:23; 274:16 attract [2] - 223:5; 281:20 back-up [2] - 43:10; 204:8 arguments [3] - 195:13; ASSESSMENT [2] - 1:6, 8 attraction [1] - 147:18 backdrop [1] - 69:18 198:15, 21 Assessments [1] - 163:17 attractions [3] - 74:10; background [8] - 8:14; arise [1] - 277:16 assessments [8] - 19:14; 77:15; 103:23 26:19, 21, 25; 206:11; arising [1] - 235:19 124:10; 138:17; 165:9; attractive [1] - 16:16 167:1; 168:4; 206:9; 283:2 210:1; 214:14; 225:21 arm's [1] - 152:1 attributable [1] - 40:15 assets [1] - 94:2 backtrack [2] - 219:7, 11 arm's-length [1] - 152:1 attributes [2] - 254:20; 255:4 assignment [1] - 204:22 Badenhorst [18] - 3:14; arranged [1] - 158:10 Audio [1] - 2:18 assist [3] - 56:15; 135:20; 26:11; 27:19, 21; 30:15; arrangements [1] - 268:24 AUDIO/SOUND [1] - 2:17 144:8 42:21; 44:22, 25; 45:4; array [1] - 248:8 audit [2] - 273:13, 16 assistance [4] - 23:3; 57:14; 47:9; 48:3, 6, 21; 51:21; arrived [1] - 18:8 auditor's [2] - 273:17, 23 59:5; 237:19 54:9; 129:4; 279:20; arriving [2] - 208:16; 219:11 Austin [1] - 124:7 assistant [1] - 209:24 280:14 art [1] - 101:7 authorities [3] - 32:14; BADENHORST [6] - 27:22; articulated [1] - 20:8 assisting [1] - 237:4 138:14 30:17; 43:1; 44:3; 45:24; articulation [1] - 59:21 associated [12] - 16:5; 18:19; authority [3] - 213:12; 47:17 as-required [1] - 277:7 24:10; 138:10; 143:16, 272:13; 274:17 21-22; 161:1; 167:14; bag [6] - 109:5, 8, 22-24; Asia [1] - 70:4 AUTHORITY [1] - 1:4 169:8; 277:10, 18 110:1 aspect [1] - 18:25 authorization [2] - 165:2; association [5] - 28:8; 32:15; baker [1] - 262:18 aspects [3] - 20:22; 35:23; 252:17 86:11; 100:2 balance [2] - 38:20; 94:7 78:4 authors [2] - 230:22; 259:13 Association [12] - 28:10; Ballroom [1] - 1:23 aspen [1] - 214:23 autism [1] - 51:7 86:3; 91:8; 96:3; 115:12; bank [6] - 175:25; 176:1; asphalt [1] - 212:12 availability [9] - 14:11; 15:6; 131:2; 136:8; 193:15; 177:7; 227:24; 256:13 assemble [1] - 165:21 17:7, 25; 18:16; 24:20; 232:7; 264:24; 265:5, 7 banking [1] - 209:24 assess [9] - 116:18, 23; 198:15; 199:2 association's [1] - 12:25 banks [1] - 127:13 167:24; 188:12; 203:14; available [22] - 11:19; 45:6; associations [1] - 12:7 bar [3] - 172:12, 15 206:8; 223:20; 228:19; 96:11; 164:21; 167:16; Barbour [1] - 2:19 235:16 assume [4] - 79:18; 168:15; 168:2; 171:4, 16; 176:5, 212:25; 258:13 base [4] - 163:21; 181:25; assessed [11] - 16:20; 143:3; 16, 19, 22; 197:7, 15; 185:9; 266:25 152:12; 167:10; 170:3; assumed [2] - 257:16; 230:14, 25; 232:15; 244:5; based [28] - 21:12; 81:5, 22; 175:2; 182:18; 183:8; 272:22 251:8; 258:9; 259:3; 85:3; 108:23, 25; 111:16; 205:15; 214:13; 270:7 assuming [1] - 168:12 263:17 assumption [1] - 258:24 123:14; 124:9; 135:3; assessing [3] - 161:2; Avenue [1] - 275:25 assumptions [16] - 138:18; 138:13; 140:11; 143:8; 163:20; 185:19 average [3] - 39:5; 40:7; 162:9; 163:19; 164:13; assessment [104] - 11:16; 184:17; 239:8, 15; 240:11; 169:21 242:5; 248:13, 21; 249:1, 166:14; 167:11; 168:8; 17:14; 19:17; 20:1, 19; averaging [2] - 9:5; 26:20 6; 256:25; 257:1, 14; 170:24; 172:3; 185:16; 115:24; 122:5; 124:9; averse [1] - 260:18 258:17; 259:11, 16 201:18; 241:4; 242:19; 139:13; 144:15, 22; 145:1; aviation [16] - 202:19, 21; assurance [1] - 151:22 259:24; 268:4 150:15; 153:12; 154:19; 203:10; 205:5, 19-20, 22; based-modelling [1] - 155:1, 4; 159:17; 160:19; assure [1] - 207:21 206:17, 20, 22; 212:22; 259:24 161:1, 11-12, 19, 24-25; assuring [1] - 149:4 213:22, 25; 214:22; baseline [11] - 139:1; 144:6; 162:10, 15; 163:10, 15; astounded [1] - 86:13 217:23; 220:10 193:7; 194:19; 195:5; 164:2, 20; 165:4, 16, AT [1] - 1:11 avoid [6] - 211:17, 21; 198:24; 201:12, 17-18; 19-20, 22-23; 166:25; at-hand [1] - 245:19 213:14; 217:3, 7, 10 241:16; 263:5 167:8, 25; 168:3, 23; at-migration [1] - 36:10 avoiding [1] - 255:21 basic [3] - 8:18; 15:17; 34:16 169:13, 25; 170:10, 14, 25; Atkins [1] - 91:22 AVW [1] - 2:18 basin [5] - 144:2, 8; 145:22; 172:7; 174:1, 4; 175:3; ATKINS [1] - 91:23 AVW-TELAV [1] - 2:18 146:1 176:21, 25; 177:4; 178:7, Atmospheric [2] - 4:13; aware [13] - 89:12; 115:15; Basin [2] - 146:6, 12 12, 14, 16, 24; 179:13, 23; 202:15 116:1; 118:16; 186:25; basis [10] - 19:20; 21:23; 180:6; 185:3, 21; 186:23; atmospheric [1] - 283:16 190:22; 193:10; 226:9; 23:20; 65:21; 71:22; 189:25; 190:25; 191:21; attach [1] - 38:18 229:24; 230:5; 233:5; 190:13; 234:12; 239:14; 192:4, 25; 193:8; 194:4; attached [2] - 18:23; 58:5

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260:16; 270:9 105:23; 106:7, 23; 107:23; better [13] - 34:15; 41:13, 22; 246:2; 250:4; 274:6 battle [1] - 35:24 108:17; 109:3, 23; 110:10, 46:11; 92:2; 102:12; black [1] - 169:9 bay [1] - 169:10 17; 112:10; 113:1, 11, 17, 161:16; 171:16; 191:24; black-footed [1] - 169:9 bay-breasted [1] - 169:10 24; 114:22; 115:1; 174:10, 203:11; 205:8; 211:19 blame [1] - 46:6 BC [186] - 1:4; 2:9; 3:5, 12; 22; 175:9, 22, 24; 176:23; betterment [1] - 50:20 bleed [1] - 127:3 4:3; 5:4; 7:15; 9:18; 10:4, 178:17; 179:17; 180:22; Bettina [2] - 4:6; 129:15 block [2] - 46:12; 60:3 22; 12:19; 13:5, 13; 16:19, 182:15; 183:1, 17, 24; BETTINA [6] - 196:2; 198:6, blowing [1] - 227:14 22; 17:12, 18; 18:3, 11; 192:23; 195:24; 197:24; 18, 25; 201:9; 202:1 blue [8] - 38:1; 39:3, 15, 18; 19:6, 8; 21:2, 16; 22:21; 198:14, 20; 199:13; 201:24 between [32] - 22:21; 32:1; 70:5; 73:20; 227:15; 23:4, 12, 24; 24:1, 4, 6, 16; Beaudet [16] - 2:2; 8:5; 35:24; 38:20; 47:10; 66:10; 231:18 25:3, 20; 28:2, 7, 10, 25; 11:24; 26:8; 42:22; 84:16; 84:7, 12; 91:25; 94:7; Blueberry [1] - 284:7 29:10; 30:3-5; 32:12, 14; 93:13; 104:11; 129:22; 108:24; 112:24; 113:3, 5; blunt [2] - 56:2; 94:8 33:23; 35:19; 38:3, 6; 39:5, 174:9, 20; 191:25; 192:21; 130:7; 143:20; 151:7; board [10] - 28:8; 44:4; 49:6; 17, 25; 40:8, 11, 16; 41:11; 201:8, 10; 264:9 163:9; 188:3; 192:1; 158:9, 13, 18, 22-23; 212:8 43:24; 44:2, 20; 47:2; beautiful [4] - 93:17; 97:4; 204:16, 18; 208:16; 212:1; Board [1] - 133:10 48:10; 54:14, 18; 55:9; 204:20; 223:12 218:20; 219:11; 226:12; boards [3] - 23:24; 24:2; 56:15; 60:24; 65:21; 66:1; beauty [2] - 69:18; 72:17 254:25; 258:15; 274:9; 112:7 67:4, 6; 68:12, 19; 71:4; became [3] - 33:6; 149:17; 278:3; 279:7 boat [3] - 78:1; 157:2; 281:13 72:5, 16, 23; 75:8; 76:9; 223:12 Beverton [3] - 240:15; bodies [1] - 32:13 78:21; 80:21; 82:20; 83:19; become [5] - 43:19; 48:17; 259:18, 21 body [4] - 132:19; 271:23; 85:16; 86:6; 94:18; 95:14; 120:25; 243:13; 246:12 Beverton-Holt [3] - 240:15; 274:7, 18 97:24; 100:22; 108:18; becomes [6] - 35:2; 78:17; 259:18, 21 Boeing [1] - 211:14 109:6; 110:11; 113:7, 10; 139:9; 192:2; 209:10 beyond [7] - 91:12; 125:14; Bolin [1] - 268:18 115:15; 118:24; 130:22; becoming [1] - 69:4 127:6; 160:25; 161:5, 10; bolster [1] - 176:12 131:14; 132:19; 134:1; bed [1] - 268:23 237:20 bond [1] - 134:19 136:2; 143:17; 144:1; beehive [1] - 226:7 bid [1] - 23:2 books [2] - 216:20 146:6, 10, 20; 147:9, 12; beg [1] - 262:16 big [26] - 34:17; 43:6, 15, 17; boom [8] - 15:15; 25:11; 152:21; 153:19; 181:23; began [3] - 149:19, 23; 49:11; 52:9; 55:17; 59:11; 28:14; 31:21; 34:19; 35:9; 191:4, 20; 194:1; 195:25; 278:25 67:20; 73:20; 78:12, 18; 41:23; 279:20 205:24; 206:2; 207:4; 97:4; 109:17; 182:9; begin [2] - 134:5; 209:11 booms [1] - 101:24 212:20; 214:5, 9; 222:13; 184:10; 208:6; 209:9; beginning [1] - 14:5 Boon [1] - 92:12 232:8; 233:2; 234:11, 14, 211:2, 15; 213:21; 215:18, behalf [2] - 14:3; 264:24 BOON [1] - 92:13 22; 235:14, 25; 236:3; 21; 219:17; 221:23 behaviour [3] - 210:20; boots [2] - 79:15; 187:9 239:12; 243:15, 22; bigger [3] - 34:5; 59:8; 258:6; 259:12 border [4] - 122:18; 161:14, 244:12; 247:10; 248:9; 219:25 behind [4] - 41:24; 212:25; 17; 175:7 249:14; 250:11, 23; 284:16 biggest [3] - 36:16; 42:6; 251:24; 252:1; 254:13; born [3] - 53:13; 58:17; 60:6 believer [1] - 107:11 224:6 256:8, 11; 257:5, 11; bottom [1] - 221:23 believes [1] - 265:25 billion [3] - 68:15; 75:8 262:10, 22, 25; 263:12; bottoms [1] - 171:2 belong [1] - 155:13 billion-dollar [1] - 68:15 264:14; 265:2, 25; 266:24; bought [1] - 203:23 below [1] - 256:23 binding [2] - 22:21; 278:4 267:14; 268:14, 20; 269:4, Boulder [1] - 211:12 BEN [9] - 62:3; 63:9; 159:5, biological [4] - 149:15; 15, 19, 24; 270:14, 17, 22; boundaries [6] - 17:11; 16; 160:8; 199:16; 200:11, 241:11; 248:22; 258:3 274:15; 276:11-13, 15; 108:11; 161:5; 194:24; 20, 22 biologist [8] - 132:7, 12, 16; 278:3, 8, 16; 279:9, 22; 267:10, 24 Ben [10] - 3:18, 22; 61:19; 157:19; 231:20; 232:6 280:22; 281:8; 283:4 boundary [13] - 6:10; 115:5; 62:1, 5; 159:7, 15; 160:7, Biologists [2] - 132:19; bC [1] - 129:9 160:21, 24; 161:4, 10; 13, 17 232:8 BC's [2] - 23:17; 101:21 174:24; 184:3, 6; 213:18; benchmark [1] - 12:5 biologists [4] - 132:20; BCEA [2] - 272:16; 273:6 226:11; 267:13 benefit [2] - 147:5; 281:14 144:13; 229:8; 238:22 BCUC [4] - 136:11; 138:2; bounds [1] - 259:9 benefits [1] - 266:3 Biology [1] - 231:22 272:6 Bowering [1] - 42:8 Bennet [1] - 158:12 biology [1] - 232:12 bear [9] - 120:20; 121:24; box [1] - 226:6 Bennett [3] - 196:9; 198:2; biomass [2] - 252:7; 255:6 122:2, 7, 16; 123:3, 22; boys [1] - 220:14 281:10 birth [3] - 38:8; 51:21; 53:23 124:16, 21 Bradford [2] - 259:20 benthic [1] - 256:4 births [1] - 38:10 bears [12] - 106:3; 120:8; bragged [1] - 213:3 berms [1] - 128:3 bit [40] - 23:6; 44:4; 51:1; 121:4, 11, 13, 19; 122:6, branch [3] - 62:12; 65:13; berries [1] - 134:16 63:19, 22; 65:21; 67:14; 21; 124:5, 11, 14 103:10 beside [1] - 222:15 71:11; 73:12; 76:5, 15-16; Beatton [1] - 253:13 brand [7] - 68:19, 22; 69:9, best [14] - 16:2; 24:4; 30:4; 77:5, 9; 81:14; 82:20; 93:7, BEAUDET [58] - 8:6; 27:3, 19; 72:4 50:6; 70:17; 99:5; 137:2; 12, 21; 97:15; 101:25; 14; 42:23; 43:21; 58:1; branding [1] - 72:2 140:13; 182:10; 209:8; 106:18; 116:17; 120:11, 59:7; 60:8; 80:7; 81:23; breach [1] - 134:14 217:10; 222:13; 248:18; 13-14; 129:6; 167:7; 82:11; 83:15, 19; 84:18; bread [2] - 85:23; 94:1 285:11 168:11; 172:20; 174:18; 85:1; 86:12; 93:14; 95:12; break [11] - 43:2; 61:4, 9; best-equipped [1] - 209:8 189:20; 211:22; 215:20; 96:15; 104:7, 12, 18; 80:3; 104:2, 9; 202:8, 10; bet [1] - 214:8 219:21; 237:20; 245:10;

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219:6; 221:9; 281:1 173:24; 175:25; 176:1; camps [6] - 10:11; 44:10; 193:5; 232:16; 272:16; breaks [1] - 153:4 191:13; 192:8; 198:3; 55:19; 149:23; 154:6; 273:6 breasted [1] - 169:10 213:17; 238:21; 239:1 269:10 CEAR [2] - 230:14; 257:7 breathe [1] - 31:4 Build [1] - 49:19 Canada [33] - 21:17; 30:11; ceiling [1] - 209:2 breathtaking [3] - 69:18; building [7] - 13:12; 16:8; 66:2; 68:25; 69:5, 7; 70:7; celebrating [1] - 49:4 85:4, 12 22:25; 49:15; 191:16; 76:7; 193:16; 196:15; Celesa [2] - 4:7; 129:16 BRENT [1] - 252:2 192:5; 276:12 204:13; 206:6; 209:20; cement [1] - 223:14 Brent [4] - 4:8; 5:4; 129:18; Building [1] - 21:12 211:9; 213:9, 14, 21; Centre [2] - 3:16; 47:25 252:1 built [5] - 22:8; 136:14; 214:1; 216:19; 228:16; centre [29] - 10:18, 21; 35:5; BRIAN [5] - 130:13; 140:9; 222:21; 223:11; 276:10 235:23; 262:21; 263:10, 48:9; 51:11, 20, 23, 25; 156:24; 157:24 bulk [1] - 19:7 20; 264:10, 12, 15, 18; 52:6, 19; 53:4, 18-19; 54:3, Brian [6] - 2:4, 7; 4:9; bull [13] - 146:24; 239:5; 284:1; 285:5 23; 56:22; 58:17; 59:8, 11, 128:23; 130:11, 14 240:6; 242:7; 248:24; CANADA [1] - 1:6 14; 62:10; 77:17; 78:2, Bridget [1] - 2:10 249:4, 13; 250:25; 252:12; Canada's [1] - 263:2 20-21, 23; 94:21; 204:12; brief [7] - 9:21; 61:9; 63:4; 255:17; 256:20; 259:22 Canadian [6] - 12:6, 13, 24; 280:16 199:18; 202:10; 262:14; bull-of-the-north [1] - 146:24 32:15; 133:10; 196:22 centreline [1] - 218:10 282:12 bullet [2] - 242:15, 18 cancelled [1] - 222:1 centres [8] - 15:9; 17:20; briefing [1] - 260:11 bunch [1] - 223:3 candella [2] - 225:10, 16 77:14; 92:5, 7; 95:2; briefly [4] - 203:21; 236:18; burbot [1] - 252:12 cannot [4] - 20:1; 140:12; 102:12; 281:9 243:7; 270:12 burn [1] - 208:18 148:7; 152:8 certain [5] - 73:1; 111:13; briefs [1] - 179:19 burner [1] - 226:7 Canyon [2] - 145:6; 198:1 112:16; 177:14; 243:13 brightness [1] - 225:15 burning [4] - 212:15; 221:6, capabilities [1] - 237:21 certainly [20] - 76:2; 80:23; brilliant [1] - 133:19 13 capable [1] - 62:23 83:11; 86:22, 25; 87:25; bring [13] - 28:11; 29:20; burst [1] - 49:16 capacity [3] - 34:24; 50:2; 94:25; 111:21; 113:20; 30:16; 55:12, 17, 21; bus [5] - 33:5, 12; 34:22; 279:12 116:1; 117:3; 122:8; 82:23; 94:3; 96:20, 22; 122:8; 158:19 captain [1] - 221:3 138:23; 145:13; 156:8; 117:6; 218:1; 228:18 business [24] - 12:14, 17; capture [2] - 124:16, 21 184:10; 200:11; 210:2; bringing [3] - 59:2; 101:13; 66:8, 15, 25; 67:17; 74:24; capturing [1] - 124:13 261:5, 16 277:15 76:12, 24; 79:10, 17, 25; car [1] - 227:18 certainty [6] - 136:16, 20, 23; brings [3] - 49:22; 73:3; 81:10; 82:7; 83:2, 21; card's [1] - 37:6 139:2; 198:12 278:22 98:16; 100:11; 136:15, 18, care [9] - 10:5; 38:21; 41:6, certificate [5] - 18:23; 90:12; Britain [1] - 211:14 20, 24; 138:13; 141:23 9; 46:23; 52:17; 85:21; 165:4; 272:14; 275:6 BRITISH [2] - 1:3, 8 businesses [19] - 49:11; 95:4 CERTIFICATION [1] - 285:1 British [63] - 1:24; 7:2; 21:7, 65:2; 66:13; 71:7; 74:8, 12, career [3] - 127:15; 132:7; certification [2] - 273:18, 24 14; 22:4; 23:14; 24:24; 18; 77:1; 81:1, 5, 11, 16, 157:18 certified [1] - 273:14 62:6, 16; 64:15, 21, 24; 22; 88:5; 91:12; 100:25; caregiver [2] - 51:3, 16 certify [1] - 285:5 65:3, 14, 16; 66:23; 68:13, 101:6, 8; 223:14 cares [1] - 48:15 cetera [10] - 91:18; 125:22; 16, 19-20; 69:12, 21; 70:1, businessman [1] - 131:14 cargo [1] - 223:4 127:19; 128:3; 141:6; 7, 19, 23; 71:1, 3, 17, 25; bust [6] - 28:15; 31:21; Cariboo [1] - 96:2 169:11; 185:6; 195:7; 72:4; 74:11; 75:5; 86:4, 17; 34:19; 36:1; 41:23; 279:20 caribou [7] - 133:11; 161:4, 196:9; 276:7 92:3; 93:16; 94:9; 95:19, busy [3] - 51:20; 73:12; 9; 182:24; 183:1, 3 CHADDER [4] - 9:1; 26:13; 21; 96:2, 11, 13; 99:23; 284:4 carried [1] - 20:10 27:12, 17 100:1, 3, 15, 18; 101:1; butter [2] - 85:23; 94:1 carrier [1] - 208:1 Chadder [2] - 9:2; 26:7 112:25; 113:3; 119:12; buy [5] - 30:21; 37:7; 134:8; carrot [1] - 35:17 chain [1] - 134:14 131:21, 24; 132:8, 17; 216:18 carry [5] - 118:13; 175:7; chair [1] - 201:6 158:22; 159:8; 164:9; buying [1] - 113:8 208:3; 221:17; 246:8 Chair [20] - 8:6; 9:19; 26:6; 232:12; 241:14; 285:4 BY [1] - 1:3 carrying [1] - 9:21 62:3; 80:7; 129:2; 132:4; broad [7] - 116:14; 123:25; cars [1] - 157:4 156:6; 159:2, 5; 174:10; 162:14; 163:18; 168:7; C case [7] - 37:11; 122:17; 192:23; 199:16; 200:22; 169:1; 275:18 216:23; 262:5; 266:25; 202:16; 228:10; 229:5; broader [3] - 21:6; 24:24; 278:19 252:2; 262:11; 272:1 C-h-u-r-c-h-i-l-l [1] - 130:15 168:13 caseload [2] - 52:3 Chairman [8] - 2:2; 3:4; 7:10; Cache [2] - 131:12, 15 brought [3] - 113:13; 156:14; cases [1] - 160:24 87:7; 88:15; 89:11; 132:3; calculate [1] - 108:20 157:11 cast [1] - 146:21 260:25 calculated [1] - 258:3 brown [1] - 241:2 casting [1] - 170:12 CHAIRMAN [109] - 7:11; 8:3; [1] calculation [1] - 214:14 9:10, 15; 13:19; 14:1, 18, brush - 225:19 catch [1] - 109:5 Caledonia [1] - 279:19 21; 26:1, 5, 10; 27:18; buck [1] - 37:3 category [5] - 13:2; 63:3; Calgary [2] - 93:2; 204:16 bucket [1] - 78:14 81:25; 84:3; 202:24 30:15; 42:20; 43:22; 44:21; camp [7] - 45:9; 78:1; 83:10; 45:16; 47:9, 19; 48:1; 57:1, bucket-list [1] - 78:14 causes [2] - 40:4; 43:20 154:18; 268:22; 269:3; 5; 60:9; 61:1, 3, 11; 63:6, budget [4] - 29:8; 152:14, 16 causing [1] - 41:2 271:9 10; 64:1, 4; 79:6; 82:13; buffer [1] - 256:11 CDC [1] - 60:12 campaign [3] - 71:14; 102:9 87:6; 89:14, 17, 20; 91:22; build [14] - 22:5; 34:23; CEAA [6] - 19:18; 20:8; 60:20; 78:22; 112:5; camped [4] - 102:19 92:11; 93:11; 96:16;

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13; 56:4, 18; 59:16; 60:2; clarification [3] - 8:7; 110:7; coast [1] - 102:19 32:11; 38:13; 80:17; 81:1; 76:16 255:10 Coast [2] - 21:10; 96:3 82:9; 99:16; 105:8; 109:5; Chillborne [1] - 132:21 clarify [8] - 104:22; 124:4; coat [1] - 216:6 111:5, 22; 112:12; 134:25; choice [1] - 225:14 201:7, 15; 257:21; 264:14; cockpit [1] - 211:19 154:8; 155:18; 166:14; choices [2] - 57:17; 208:19 273:18, 24 codes [1] - 276:12 233:23; 239:25; 246:22; choked [2] - 222:15, 19 clarity [1] - 97:21 coffee [4] - 61:4; 202:7; 252:8; 259:18; 283:19 choose [4] - 87:24; 107:18; classic [2] - 163:24; 178:19 221:3; 222:23 changed [4] - 90:25; 146:11; 134:25; 135:5 classifications [1] - 122:15 coincidence [1] - 147:16 197:20; 214:8 chosen [2] - 8:18; 138:18 clauses [1] - 90:15 cold [6] - 226:19, 21-22; changes [20] - 17:3; 54:25; CHRIS [27] - 82:2; 83:4, 18; CLEAN [1] - 1:2 227:10; 255:16 76:21, 23; 77:6; 98:4; 84:9; 93:8; 103:9; 104:17, clear [14] - 32:6; 33:1; 44:16; collaborate [1] - 21:17 99:15; 109:17, 21; 144:4; 24; 106:6, 9; 107:11; 105:7; 156:8; 180:14; collaborating [1] - 269:25 154:9; 185:9; 235:9; 108:10; 109:20, 24; 203:2; 205:18; 208:12; collaboration [1] - 28:3 239:20; 240:22; 255:6; 110:16; 111:8; 112:24; 227:15; 236:13; 241:20; collaborative [1] - 263:8 256:17; 258:11; 263:23; 113:2, 16, 20; 114:20, 23; 242:3; 273:7 collaboratively [1] - 268:12 283:17 116:12; 119:9, 20; 122:2; clearly [15] - 20:8, 24; 24:23; collaring [4] - 107:16; changing [6] - 54:4; 103:6; 123:19 28:14; 30:24; 31:23; 41:1, 118:17, 22; 124:14 105:10; 127:23; 163:5; 4; 99:19; 145:4; 168:20; Chris [5] - 3:20; 61:22; colleague [2] - 8:5; 107:25 247:1 214:19; 217:15; 227:15; 62:18; 82:25; 125:7 colleagues [4] - 65:6; 70:25; character [1] - 103:7 Chris' [2] - 91:13; 128:6 240:10 75:15; 153:15 characteristics [1] - 72:2 client [4] - 51:17; 70:10; chronic [1] - 40:6 collect [1] - 181:12 characterization [1] - 97:16 82:3; 86:8 chunk [2] - 67:21; 155:11 collected [5] - 176:14; 187:4; characterize [2] - 194:11; CHURCHILL [4] - 130:13; clientele [11] - 76:21, 23; 189:22; 201:22; 241:16 254:4 77:11; 80:19; 85:9, 12, 16, 140:9; 156:24; 157:24 collection [3] - 171:12; characterized [2] - 201:18; Churchill [12] - 4:9; 128:23; 20; 86:1; 88:3; 99:16 251:6; 253:10 251:16 clients [8] - 51:13, 20; 52:6, 130:9, 11, 14; 140:7; collective [1] - 167:3 characterizing [1] - 194:8 19; 82:23; 94:16; 130:24 153:14; 154:1; 156:10; collectively [2] - 166:24; charge [2] - 16:3; 203:24 159:1; 195:10; 282:7 climb [2] - 148:22; 228:1 203:2 charged [1] - 102:14 clinic [3] - 31:13; 38:9, 22 circle [1] - 208:15 College [3] - 132:18; 231:22; charity [1] - 49:12 circling [1] - 209:6 clinician [1] - 58:24 279:18 CHARL [6] - 27:22; 30:17; clinicians [1] - 53:7 circulating [1] - 67:7 colleges [1] - 38:13 43:1; 44:3; 45:24; 47:17 clinics [4] - 38:18; 41:3; circumstances [1] - 45:23 collision [2] - 129:25; 130:4 Charl [3] - 3:14; 26:10; 27:21 44:15 CIRUNA [33] - 159:15; 160:7, Colorado [1] - 211:12 Charles [1] - 150:12 clockwise [1] - 226:10 13; 161:8; 174:20, 23; colours [1] - 214:3 Charlie [1] - 218:22 close [6] - 26:17, 23; 95:22; 175:17, 23; 176:2; 177:23; COLUMBIA [2] - 1:3, 8 chart [1] - 67:19 135:21; 180:9; 212:7 178:18; 180:4; 181:17; Columbia [69] - 1:24; 7:2; charts [1] - 69:22 closed [3] - 43:9; 218:25; 182:17; 183:23; 185:1; 21:8, 15; 22:4; 23:14; chased [1] - 127:2 186:16, 19, 21; 187:6, 11, 219:2 24:25; 62:6, 16; 64:15, 21; cheap [1] - 46:13 19, 22; 188:2; 189:15; closely [8] - 45:21; 95:18; 65:3, 14, 16; 66:23; 68:14, cheaper [1] - 46:19 190:8; 191:1, 8, 23; 100:2; 153:25; 166:20; 16, 19-20; 69:12; 70:1, 8, checked [1] - 222:1 192:11, 14; 195:22; 196:1 177:14; 178:3; 190:19

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144:9; 145:24; conclusion [1] - 249:17 69:21 communities [53] - 15:1; 146:7; 151:13, 18, 25; conclusions [6] - 204:25; column [1] - 8:14 17:13, 15; 19:4; 22:18, 22; 232:23; 233:12; 234:15, 248:1, 7; 256:19; 257:8; combination [3] - 153:2, 6 24:8, 11; 28:16; 32:5, 21, 23; 236:1, 11, 13, 25; 259:15 combinations [1] - 241:24 23; 33:15; 34:12; 35:17; 237:8; 252:23; 261:3 concrete [1] - 45:22 combined [4] - 132:12; 41:13, 16, 20, 22; 42:13; competitive [2] - 35:2; 68:23 concur [1] - 92:13 149:13; 153:1, 5 44:8; 57:16; 75:12; 78:10, competitiveness [1] - 35:1 concurred [1] - 257:8 comfort [1] - 135:4 16; 85:25; 102:3, 5; complement [2] - 164:4; concurrently [2] - 19:8; comfortably [1] - 58:14 115:21; 116:21; 118:1; 271:16 21:20 coming [32] - 26:9, 11; 121:7, 20; 123:12; 145:8; complete [3] - 134:2; 186:21; condensation [1] - 225:1 32:23; 35:19; 37:19; 40:16; 146:8; 150:6; 165:11; 285:10 condition [14] - 162:20; 41:14; 49:23; 56:3; 58:16; 166:9, 21; 174:2; 176:10; completed [4] - 49:19; 239:5; 165:7; 167:17; 169:8; 59:25; 68:4; 69:6, 23; 70:9, 189:16, 18, 22; 261:8; 241:20; 283:3 170:3; 172:9; 176:20; 18, 20; 71:5; 78:13; 99:23; 263:17, 23; 278:10; completing [1] - 173:22 185:21; 188:7, 13, 25; 101:17; 105:15; 117:9; 279:21; 280:6 complex [5] - 33:21; 56:5; 194:20; 199:4 133:16; 181:21; 182:24; community [93] - 10:12; 59:17; 204:12 conditions [17] - 16:5, 7; 214:4; 215:9; 222:9; 12:18; 13:3; 14:12; 15:8, compliance [4] - 273:25; 18:22; 57:23; 147:15; 227:21; 228:2; 277:14 11, 18; 17:8; 18:13; 22:24; 274:1, 3, 5 166:6, 15; 170:21; 198:10; commenced [1] - 7:8 23:3; 24:17; 28:6; 29:6, 24; complicated [2] - 110:2; 208:17; 227:16; 248:23; comment [16] - 57:6; 80:23; 30:11; 31:12, 14; 32:17; 116:20 263:5; 270:7; 272:13, 15; 88:23; 92:14; 93:6; 97:2; 33:13; 34:4, 18; 35:14; complications [1] - 15:20 277:21 119:21; 123:18; 156:3; 36:8; 37:8, 17, 21; 38:5, complied [2] - 273:17, 23 condolences [1] - 204:21 11-12; 41:24; 42:4, 12; 157:19; 158:20; 192:17; complimentary [1] - 283:2 conduct [2] - 165:20, 22 46:2; 47:6; 48:14, 17; 49:3, 200:9; 215:25; 241:12; component [10] - 65:4; conducted [10] - 27:25; 282:12 7; 50:1, 21; 51:6; 53:22; 73:23; 99:24; 187:17; 163:11; 232:18, 21; commenting [1] - 262:22 54:13; 55:13, 16, 20; 245:12; 247:8; 252:16, 22; 238:13; 242:16; 250:10; Comments [1] - 5:4 60:25; 90:25; 94:20; 274:3 254:14; 262:25; 272:20 116:18; 125:17; 135:10; comments [23] - 5:5; 9:24; composition [1] - 252:9 conducting [4] - 10:10; 136:24; 144:3; 147:11; 44:23; 47:12; 60:9; 80:12, comprehensive [3] - 12:14; 143:25; 202:3; 230:18 148:16; 149:9, 20; 152:22, 15; 94:4; 96:24; 97:1; 144:15; 274:10 confer [1] - 114:24 25; 153:3, 21; 154:3, 19; 142:19; 193:2, 9, 12; compress [1] - 16:8 confidence [3] - 242:2; 155:11, 13-14; 205:19; 194:2; 228:21; 252:1; compromise [1] - 216:12 278:15, 17 254:2; 256:16; 262:10; 212:1; 214:23; 217:24; computers [1] - 131:4 confidential [1] - 263:25 263:20; 272:4 264:3, 6; 265:1; 266:19; concentrate [1] - 94:2 configuration [1] - 111:17 commercial [2] - 90:12; 267:2, 20; 277:6, 10, 15, concentrating [1] - 85:11 confines [1] - 145:5 205:14 19; 279:3; 280:17 concentrations [3] - 8:13; confirm [8] - 6:3; 9:12; commute [1] - 17:16 Commission [7] - 136:3; 26:15, 19 207:3; 231:5; 242:19; 178:4; 272:9, 11, 18; commuted [1] - 134:7 concept [3] - 114:7; 136:16; 250:11; 264:1; 283:23 274:22; 275:4 companies [3] - 16:1, 15; 169:1 confirmation [1] - 250:14 commission [2] - 274:25; 220:15 conceptual [1] - 234:23 conflict [1] - 151:7 275:2 company [4] - 58:5; 132:22; concern [20] - 17:4; 29:17; conflicting [2] - 19:12; 30:18 commitment [3] - 22:9; 238:21; 282:5 43:18; 54:24; 55:3, 5; confluence [1] - 125:19 131:1, 4 comparability [1] - 77:6 60:22; 220:7; 232:24; connections [1] - 166:22 commitments [3] - 18:22; comparable [3] - 75:10; 233:16; 236:19; 238:14; connectivity [1] - 143:20 19:14; 278:16 86:8; 268:15 251:3; 253:16; 254:10; consecutive [2] - 66:7, 22 committed [7] - 11:5; 12:22; comparative [1] - 75:17 267:21; 268:19; 269:8 consequences [1] - 29:7 264:12; 265:4; 277:6; compare [5] - 52:23; 75:22; concerned [7] - 15:4; 18:5; conservation [10] - 133:3; 76:3; 162:19; 242:19 279:13; 281:12 29:16; 30:9; 109:4; 137:10; 137:5, 8, 12-13; 158:14; compared [11] - 38:6; 39:17, committee [6] - 13:8, 15; 260:1 238:15, 17; 249:15 145:10; 277:7, 12 24; 40:7, 9, 11; 43:7; concerning [2] - 114:17; Conservation [3] - 4:10; 44:20; 126:25; 171:3; committees [2] - 181:2, 13 235:25 130:11; 158:8 common [8] - 32:17; 84:14; 220:18 concerns [23] - 14:23; 19:21; conservative [2] - 240:16;

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152:16; 20:7; 109:8; 121:21; 151:4; contains [2] - 215:3, 8 - 164:13 245:17; 247:5, 16; 255:19; 194:14; 250:23; 265:15; content [3] - 230:10, 25; Copper [1] - 195:7 262:17; 265:14 266:18; 283:11 234:12 copy [3] - 83:17; 244:23; covered [4] - 97:17; 128:14; considerations [2] - 14:24; context [11] - 20:14; 54:13; 264:10 217:8; 262:13 116:9 63:20; 65:23; 155:3, 6; core [2] - 64:21; 183:5 Coxon [1] - 270:12 considered [18] - 54:13; 178:21; 261:7 corporate [2] - 12:3; 146:13 crack [1] - 82:12 70:8; 98:5, 9; 119:23; contexts [1] - 154:25 corporation [7] - 21:1; 23:12; crackfill [1] - 219:2 120:15; 121:25; 123:1; contextual [1] - 20:5 64:22; 71:1; 138:3; 211:14; Craig [1] - 2:9 155:4; 201:17, 23; 203:9; contingencies [1] - 152:16 214:1 Cranbrook [1] - 207:5 213:2; 236:20; 251:4; continue [20] - 11:20; 54:3; correct [12] - 9:4; 27:2; crash [2] - 42:23; 204:1 264:22; 266:8; 284:1 60:22; 68:21; 69:9; 104:22; 106:16; 140:14; crashes [4] - 40:4, 12-13; considering [2] - 162:6; 76:23-25; 77:2; 128:5; 178:18; 181:17; 187:1, 5-6; 43:20 249:22 146:15; 171:17; 173:24; 189:15; 285:10 create [9] - 19:12; 20:25; considers [1] - 162:16 176:1; 190:3; 246:6; correlation [1] - 80:2 38:9; 180:16; 193:7; 198:9; consistency [1] - 268:5 275:11; 280:25; 281:8 correspondence [1] - 234:11 199:3; 269:1; 277:6 consistent [10] - 9:6; 25:16; Continued [2] - 4:22; 5:2 corresponding [1] - 168:17 created [5] - 20:17; 37:5; 124:10; 163:2; 165:5; continued [2] - 243:4; 248:3 corresponds [1] - 160:22 137:4, 9; 272:9 166:3; 179:5; 253:7; 263:3; continues [2] - 70:2; 280:1 corridor [1] - 107:1 creates [4] - 35:22, 24; 268:15 continuing [7] - 67:13; corridors [1] - 106:24 43:17; 134:13 consisting [1] - 13:9 100:11; 135:10; 136:3; cost [18] - 14:11; 15:6, 19; creating [1] - 77:16 conspired [1] - 159:11 191:13; 253:22; 266:1 16:13; 17:8; 24:21; 37:8; creation [4] - 237:16; 243:10; constant [1] - 226:13 contract [1] - 58:23 70:8, 13; 135:12, 24; 247:24; 256:20 constantly [3] - 148:14; contracting [1] - 209:25 136:13; 143:9; 147:4; creations [1] - 35:12 246:13; 247:15 contractor [2] - 279:10 150:20; 151:11; 205:6 creche [1] - 46:18 Constitutional [1] - 97:12 contractors [3] - 19:11; 23:2; cost-effective [1] - 150:20 creches [1] - 46:15 constraints [1] - 16:12 268:24 costs [6] - 15:25; 22:17; credentials [5] - 205:21; constructed [1] - 235:20 contrary [2] - 139:18; 153:10 37:13; 137:4; 165:9; 219:1 209:12, 22, 24; 210:4 construction [32] - 10:25; contribute [3] - 156:21; council [8] - 12:13; 28:3; credibility [1] - 19:13 15:7, 14; 17:6, 9, 17, 21; 199:12; 268:16 29:11; 33:2; 36:12; 46:9; credible [1] - 214:13 18:19; 19:2; 23:8; 98:10, contributes [1] - 268:6 211:10; 272:12 credit [1] - 37:6 20; 101:10; 143:16; 144:4; contribution [4] - 26:22; councillor [1] - 132:5 Creek [12] - 6:10; 115:5; 149:23; 197:21; 238:16; 212:17; 268:2; 276:23 Councillor [1] - 268:18 131:12; 159:18; 160:20, 254:3, 9; 270:5, 7, 10; contributions [1] - 140:2 councils [1] - 121:8 23; 172:4; 175:1; 180:9; 277:8, 13, 17; 279:25; control [8] - 208:10; 211:20; Counsel [8] - 2:4, 9-10; 3:13; 222:5; 282:23 280:4; 281:18, 20 212:10; 213:6; 215:17; 4:18; 13:24; 229:21 Creston [3] - 130:22; 150:4, constructive [3] - 10:2; 22:8, 216:1; 217:13; 221:11 counsel [5] - 14:3; 62:5; 6 13 controlled [1] - 146:8 159:8; 229:25; 279:1 crime [3] - 39:18; 41:2; consult [4] - 42:12; 124:5; controller [1] - 228:2 Counsel) [4] - 3:18; 4:15; 149:23 175:11; 180:2 Controllers [3] - 210:3; 61:19; 229:17 criminal [1] - 36:24 consult" [1] - 140:23 218:2; 220:12 count [4] - 43:6; 125:16, 18; crisis [3] - 36:6, 9; 148:24 consultant [2] - 209:11; convened [1] - 62:7 128:1 crisp [1] - 77:13 215:22 convenience [1] - 141:6 counteract [1] - 112:21 criteria [1] - 167:11 consultants [5] - 11:10; convention [1] - 206:16 countries [3] - 31:22; 40:23; critical [7] - 16:10; 74:1; 53:8; 133:6; 259:25; conventions [1] - 71:15 68:24 101:21; 128:9; 150:25; 269:25 conversation [8] - 56:20; country [8] - 31:9; 73:25; 233:4; 236:24 consultation [17] - 118:19; 104:13; 116:21; 117:11; 85:21; 90:8, 13; 91:16; critters [2] - 125:19; 127:16 135:23; 140:11, 20; 118:9; 156:11; 188:18 99:7; 133:12 cross [6] - 107:5, 21-22; 141:24; 142:4, 13-14, 18; conversations [1] - 54:17 couple [18] - 9:25; 47:2; 127:7, 17 149:2, 7; 205:13; 206:1; converse [1] - 169:21 51:8; 53:24; 54:7; 55:1, 23; crossing [3] - 127:13, 21; 282:13, 20 conversion [1] - 245:19 76:17; 87:8; 90:1; 102:17; 133:22 consultations [3] - 141:12,

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208:6; 209:9; 211:2, 15; definitely [9] - 45:1; 54:10; 159:2 148:11; 193:13; 195:9, 17, 215:21 55:6; 75:4; 77:3, 15; 81:7; cultural [4] - 71:23; 97:20; 21; 197:10 dealing [5] - 6:6; 84:2, 21; 82:21; 180:18 100:10; 266:7 Dane [1] - 133:15 86:6; 264:25 definition [5] - 66:2, 14, 17, culture [10] - 72:19; 97:13; Dane-Zaa [1] - 133:15 deals [2] - 65:13; 84:3 22; 140:22 99:22, 24; 100:13, 18, 24; dark [10] - 135:13, 24; dealt [1] - 138:14 definitions [1] - 141:12 133:15; 148:13; 149:8 146:18, 21; 147:22; 148:5, death [2] - 40:3; 127:3 defrost [1] - 225:18 cultures [4] - 69:15; 97:5, 7, 8; 150:14; 152:20; 217:6 deaths [3] - 40:12, 15, 23 defrosts [1] - 226:4 10 Darvill [2] - 266:5 debatable [1] - 94:24 degree [5] - 103:16; 131:20, cumulative [53] - 14:13; Daryl [2] - 3:9; 7:23 debris [2] - 245:15; 255:19 23; 249:9; 279:6 17:6; 19:16, 19; 20:1, 15, dashed [1] - 162:22 debt [1] - 36:6 degrees [4] - 215:10; 218:8; 19, 21; 21:3, 23; 139:12, data [45] - 8:10; 30:10; 40:18; decade [4] - 132:15; 148:17; 225:11 16; 144:14; 151:1, 9; 42:25; 58:6; 117:14; 118:5; 254:13 delay [1] - 25:12 152:24; 153:10; 159:17; 167:16; 168:2; 171:13; decades [6] - 103:3; 138:2; deliberations [1] - 251:22 160:2, 18; 161:18, 24; 175:12, 16-17, 20; 176:1, 142:11; 154:4; 155:10; delicate [1] - 94:7 162:10, 15, 25; 163:10, 20; 4, 14, 17; 180:14; 181:12; 156:16 delighted [2] - 156:7, 9 164:3, 19; 165:1, 12, 15, 187:3; 189:23; 194:23; December [2] - 121:13; deliver [3] - 45:14; 65:18; 23; 167:25; 173:25; 174:4; 197:8, 16, 25; 198:3-5, 7, 232:15 225:10 15; 200:3; 201:24; 214:15; 176:25; 177:3; 179:4, 14; decide [1] - 73:1 delivered [1] - 10:6 241:13, 16; 242:11; 260:2; 192:24; 193:7; 194:3, 10; decided [1] - 150:1 delivery [3] - 64:20; 65:5, 11 263:8, 18; 264:16 195:19; 196:4, 17; 201:23; decimates [1] - 147:11 demand [7] - 64:25; 95:10; 202:17; 223:20; 282:23; data-gathering [1] - 263:8 decision [27] - 25:5; 120:23; 170:22; 265:1; 269:13; 283:11 database [1] - 202:5 121:5; 123:2; 124:1; 135:5; 279:7, 12 [1] databases [1] - 201:21 cumulatively - 16:21 161:25; 163:6; 164:10, demobilization [1] - 280:8 [20] datas [1] - 136:21 current - 15:15; 124:10; 12-15, 17, 22-23; 166:2; democratic [1] - 41:16 datasets [1] - 176:13 125:23; 135:23; 138:24; 171:8; 207:16; 208:2; demographic [5] - 74:6; 162:20; 165:6, 8; 166:12; date [7] - 175:15; 199:23; 209:7, 13; 214:22; 222:12; 76:13; 82:24; 105:20; 167:17; 170:3; 172:9; 200:2; 201:11, 19-20; 275:20; 277:22 117:15 185:21; 188:12; 194:19; 202:23 decision-makers [3] - demonstrate [1] - 236:4 197:20; 264:13; 265:12; dating [1] - 198:7 164:22; 166:2; 171:8 demonstration [4] - 161:20, 266:21; 267:24 Dave [2] - 4:8; 129:19 decision-making [11] - 25:5; 23; 176:8; 186:4 curves [2] - 216:2; 258:10 DAVID [5] - 9:1; 26:13; 161:25; 163:6; 164:10, dense [1] - 215:8 customer [1] - 86:6 27:12, 17; 256:15 12-15, 17, 23; 222:12 densification [1] - 267:8 customized [1] - 254:18 David [4] - 9:1; 42:8; 102:21; decisions [8] - 22:3; 93:10; densities [1] - 124:18 cut [1] - 184:21 139:24 162:4, 13; 163:21; 171:6; density [3] - 105:24; 111:12; cutblocks [1] - 185:6 DAVIES [1] - 63:15 210:4; 261:11 240:1 cuts [2] - 127:3; 184:20 Davies [2] - 4:1; 63:12 [1] declared - 214:6 density-dependent [1] - CVs [1] - 232:14 davis [1] - 62:23 decline [4] - 106:22; 117:7; 111:12 cycle [1] - 35:9 [6] Davis - 3:19; 61:20; 252:13; 279:23 department [2] - 203:17; cycles [8] - 28:15; 31:21, 23; 62:11; 63:10; 64:1; 281:15 declined [2] - 106:21; 172:21 250:8 32:5; 34:15, 19; 41:23; [12] DAVIS - 64:3, 6; 79:19, decrease [2] - 138:20; Department [2] - 250:7, 12 279:21 23; 80:23; 82:16; 85:18; 139:19 departure [1] - 219:16 cyclic [1] - 224:5 86:16; 87:16; 94:6; 99:11; decreased [1] - 106:15 dependent [2] - 111:12; 103:22 dedicated [1] - 282:4 256:5 Dawson [11] - 6:10; 115:5; D deemed [4] - 142:17; 152:21; depicted [1] - 29:14 159:18; 160:20, 23; 172:4; 153:8; 217:19 deprived [1] - 19:4 174:25; 180:9; 222:5; deep [4] - 45:16; 127:1; D'Arcy [2] - 3:9; 7:22 depth [3] - 117:10; 153:20; 282:23 206:13; 255:20 dad [1] - 51:16 188:18 day-by-day [1] - 149:16 deer [15] - 106:4, 8, 18, 20; [1] dads [1] - 36:18 derived - 230:11 day-to-day [1] - 246:14 107:13, 22; 110:1; 125:25; describe [4] - 72:14; 197:9; dam [25] - 41:25; 42:15; daycare [4] - 46:18; 54:24; 126:3, 5, 20-21; 127:17; 135:25; 136:10; 137:21; 234:6; 244:20 55:2, 6 158:19

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265:3; 271:3; 277:10, 18; 43:3, 14; 45:22; 75:15, 20; designing [1] - 163:1 259:5, 20 281:1 89:12; 96:6; 100:14; 101:3; desirable [1] - 139:9 DFO's [1] - 257:7 discussed [12] - 191:25; 112:23; 114:1, 6; 118:22; desired [2] - 22:1; 164:17 diagram [2] - 223:19; 227:6 196:17; 208:21, 25; 209:9; 120:4, 22; 121:5; 123:13; desk [1] - 229:1 diagrams [1] - 205:3 218:4; 264:25; 265:20; 124:8, 11; 128:2; 135:22; desktop [1] - 189:14 dialogue [5] - 22:8; 118:4; 268:25; 278:24; 279:16; 136:1, 6; 137:3, 18; 138:8, despite [5] - 37:15; 146:24; 120:8, 17; 138:1 283:15 15-16, 23; 139:19, 23-24; 234:10; 248:8; 256:7 DIANE [3] - 156:6; 157:16; discussing [2] - 146:23; 140:5; 151:5; 167:8; Destination [5] - 62:16; 159:2 266:3 178:13; 179:23; 181:22; 64:21, 23; 71:1; 74:11 Diane [1] - 2:15 discussion [13] - 13:18; 184:24; 185:2, 23; 186:18; destination [4] - 69:5, 17; dictate [1] - 16:9 56:15; 63:4; 97:14; 141:17; 187:4; 195:5; 198:2; 199:8; 70:14; 71:3 dictionary [1] - 140:22 190:22; 193:20; 196:21; 229:10, 12; 240:25; 241:1, destinations [1] - 70:8 die [1] - 127:16 199:1; 209:1; 247:14; 21; 242:23; 267:19 detail [10] - 128:14; 167:8; difference [4] - 32:1; 41:10; 266:2, 20 done-deal [8] - 137:3, 18; 181:20; 184:15; 234:17; 276:23 discussions [12] - 10:2; 138:8, 15-16, 23; 139:19; 239:13; 243:23; 249:16; differences [1] - 163:9 11:21; 21:13; 57:10, 13, 151:5 250:4; 283:16 different [34] - 32:25; 40:3; 19; 78:22; 104:21; 178:8; Donnelly [1] - 269:23 detailed [3] - 107:16; 154:15; 59:2; 73:7; 77:10-12; 196:14; 265:4; 280:22 door [1] - 148:22 173:18 80:13; 90:14; 92:22; 95:24; diseases [1] - 40:6 doors [1] - 283:8 details [7] - 80:21; 106:2; 96:11; 104:20; 106:18; dismiss [1] - 206:3 doubt [1] - 142:12 151:19; 236:6; 243:16; 107:19; 110:1; 114:8, 18; dismissed [1] - 136:9 Douglas [1] - 21:9 278:12 143:15; 180:1, 24; 181:7, Disneyland [1] - 70:13 down [40] - 25:20; 35:4; 38:4; determinants [1] - 48:22 13; 184:16; 185:10, 25; dispersed [1] - 124:17 40:17; 43:2; 53:21; 54:15, determine [7] - 20:5; 41:16; 193:9; 242:22; 246:21; dispersion [1] - 226:25 19; 63:20; 64:3; 72:11; 88:21; 109:16; 110:25; 258:17; 272:20, 24; 275:6 display [3] - 211:18, 20; 80:4; 110:19, 22; 111:1, 234:7; 238:14 differentiate [3] - 112:24; 218:15 20; 118:3; 133:16; 158:6; determined [6] - 11:3; 113:3, 5 displays [1] - 233:3 161:7; 172:20; 187:8; 108:18; 174:15; 182:19; differently [1] - 186:1 dispute [1] - 278:6 191:10; 192:13; 207:18; 271:16; 275:22 difficult [17] - 32:19; 38:14, disquisition [1] - 228:14 208:7; 215:11; 217:8; determining [3] - 102:15; 25; 40:18; 43:1, 11; 77:9; disruption [1] - 205:6 219:4, 7, 20; 224:11; 144:2; 238:9 83:5, 13; 107:17; 112:2; distance [2] - 211:25; 279:3 225:13; 226:17, 21; develop [18] - 29:18; 34:8, 119:17; 146:2; 197:3; distinction [1] - 66:10 227:13; 246:2; 260:10; 285:7 22; 41:12; 42:13; 81:14; 210:19; 227:3; 246:12 District [3] - 132:2; 273:11; 138:11; 144:10; 157:7; difficulty [1] - 147:1 276:1 downfall [1] - 128:9 166:1; 173:6; 218:14; digestive [1] - 40:6 disturb [1] - 211:5 downstream [3] - 145:5, 12; 197:18 223:8; 247:20; 250:24; dilemma [1] - 36:9 disturbances [2] - 184:14, 263:14; 276:3 Dinosaur [1] - 174:17 19 downwind [1] - 215:11 developed [10] - 36:12; direct [7] - 83:5, 14; 178:24; disturbed [3] - 184:23; dozen [1] - 82:8 95:10; 103:18; 157:5; 179:16; 193:18; 271:13; 194:13; 211:4 Dr [36] - 2:2; 3:14, 20; 4:11; 212:21; 234:16; 236:14; 276:22 disturbing [1] - 53:2 26:10; 27:19, 21; 30:15; 42:7, 21; 44:22, 25; 45:4; 259:6; 266:18 directed [3] - 220:21; 252:25; diverse [2] - 72:14; 137:23 47:9; 48:3, 6, 21; 51:21; developing [4] - 173:14; 265:23 diversity [1] - 69:14 54:9; 61:23; 112:13; 129:4; 192:1; 223:4; 270:1 directing [1] - 236:25 divert [1] - 221:15 152:19; 160:11; 161:6; Development [2] - 3:16; direction [10] - 23:23; 64:13; divide [2] - 71:25; 141:15 174:7; 192:9; 200:15, 24; 47:25 146:11; 177:8, 20; 179:1; division [2] - 28:9; 32:16 257:6; 259:20; 279:20; development [49] - 10:18, 181:2; 197:13; 204:9; document [7] - 193:25; 280:14; 282:21 21; 12:17; 20:7; 32:9; 37:4, 220:4 194:1; 230:14; 232:16; DR [39] - 27:22; 30:17; 43:1; 8; 48:8; 50:25; 51:6, 10; directions [1] - 195:2 264:10; 275:13; 277:1 44:3; 45:24; 47:17; 159:15; 52:2; 53:19; 54:23; 56:22; directly [6] - 10:4; 53:8; 96:5; documentation [2] - 232:20; 160:7, 13; 161:8; 174:20, 59:14; 81:6, 10; 83:1; 100:7; 251:24; 282:19 248:8 94:20; 100:5; 102:16; 23; 175:17, 23; 176:2; director [7] - 62:12, 15, 18; documented [2] - 143:6; 151:2; 152:25; 162:17; 158:21; 159:20; 196:13; 177:23; 178:18; 180:4;

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97:5; 220:13; E effective [8] - 23:2; 137:6; electricity [5] - 12:6, 24-25; 271:25 145:12; 146:8; 150:20; 23:9 drawing [2] - 156:15; 157:18 248:22; 254:12; 263:14 Elementary [1] - 148:20 EA [4] - 18:23; 20:12; 274:2; drawn [2] - 72:16; 133:14 effectively [2] - 146:16; elements [3] - 65:5; 77:25; 277:22 dreaded [1] - 199:19 234:20 178:10 EAO [12] - 178:9; 179:12; dream [3] - 147:8; 150:12 effectiveness [7] - 143:2; elevation [2] - 107:14, 19 196:13, 23; 197:12; dreamer [1] - 50:13 145:16; 165:8; 193:23; elicit [2] - 39:13; 40:19 205:24; 273:13, 17, 23; Dreamer's [1] - 284:23 234:7; 235:16; 254:21 elk [13] - 106:4, 8, 10-11; 274:1, 3, 9 dreams [2] - 135:9; 147:6 effectness [1] - 143:9 107:21; 110:2; 111:3; early [9] - 36:17; 39:23; dressing [2] - 34:13; 42:10 effects [82] - 11:16; 14:13; 113:6, 8; 119:18; 126:7; 50:23, 25; 61:4; 104:3; dries [1] - 224:16 15:4; 17:5; 19:16, 19; 20:1, 127:14 118:20; 282:15 drifts [1] - 215:11 15, 19, 21; 21:24; 42:12; Elliott [1] - 240:25 earned [2] - 131:20, 23 drill [1] - 149:10 83:11; 111:6; 145:5; 151:9; elsewhere [8] - 67:10; 70:9; ease [2] - 85:9; 250:14 drilled [1] - 28:23 152:24; 156:12; 159:17; 71:4; 147:20; 208:5, 19; easier [1] - 47:5 drilling [1] - 34:21 160:2, 18; 161:19, 24; 234:13; 249:25 easily [3] - 66:19; 135:2; drink [1] - 214:8 162:6, 10, 15, 25; 163:10, embedded [1] - 49:8 183:15 drinkall [2] - 90:3, 8 20; 164:3, 19; 165:1, 12, embedding [1] - 271:5 east [5] - 130:1; 184:5; 15, 23; 167:25; 174:1, 4; Drinkall [1] - 83:8 emerged [1] - 87:20 212:16; 224:19, 22 176:25; 177:3; 179:4, 14; drinking [1] - 263:20 emergency [3] - 11:6; easterly [1] - 224:24 192:24; 193:22; 194:17; drive [5] - 43:5; 91:24; 96:6; 244:10; 269:7 eastern [4] - 48:10; 59:5; 195:21; 196:4, 17; 197:5, 157:20; 220:1 emerging [1] - 88:1 211:23; 213:18 9, 23; 198:13; 199:5, 12; drive-through [1] - 220:1 emission [2] - 215:9; 223:2 easy [5] - 60:2; 78:16; 120:3; 201:23; 234:5, 9, 20; driven [2] - 25:1; 130:21 emissions [3] - 214:6; 220:8; 224:2 235:8; 237:11; 243:15, 24; driver's [4] - 31:3; 36:24; 219:20; 227:4 easy-fix [1] - 60:2 244:18; 250:25; 254:6, 9; 39:12; 43:13 emphasize [1] - 125:12 eat [1] - 43:18 255:1; 256:20; 264:8, 21; drivers [3] - 43:15; 170:16 empirical [1] - 258:8 eaten [1] - 256:1 268:21; 270:21; 271:18; drives [3] - 92:2 employable [1] - 39:8 ecological [8] - 134:11; 272:8; 273:2; 274:8; driving [1] - 228:9 employed [4] - 240:19, 23; 143:18; 150:24; 152:25; 276:17; 282:24; 283:12 drop [6] - 36:3, 14, 20; 38:4; 243:1; 244:7 153:3; 168:14; 169:23 efficacy [2] - 151:17; 152:8 80:19; 244:11 employee [1] - 157:10 ecologists [1] - 121:22 efficiency [1] - 242:7 dropped [1] - 106:5 employers [1] - 59:13 ecology [2] - 131:22; 232:11 efficient [2] - 203:16; 229:10 dropping [1] - 69:5 employment [5] - 12:17; economic [15] - 7:13; 9:22; effort [6] - 43:3; 124:15, 21; drops [4] - 35:5; 207:8; 39:6; 66:13; 67:20; 134:5 32:2; 33:22; 34:19; 36:2; 137:21; 143:10; 230:16 243:12 empower [1] - 272:13 37:16; 41:22; 42:5; 135:6, efforts [9] - 18:25; 59:15; drove [1] - 148:18 empowering [2] - 18:14; 12; 139:2, 6; 155:2 137:16; 140:3; 237:1, 6; drug [2] - 39:13; 40:19 24:18 Economic [2] - 1:14; 7:6 251:18; 282:14 drunk [1] - 133:13 EMPs [1] - 277:25 economical [6] - 28:12; 29:5; eggs [1] - 239:10 dry [3] - 133:25; 225:22 enables [1] - 269:20 33:17; 36:9; 37:5, 10 eight [7] - 30:8; 48:13; 64:14; dual [1] - 131:21 encampments [1] - 102:25 economics [1] - 134:20 68:16; 211:8; 219:13; duct [1] - 222:17 encourage [4] - 19:19; economists [1] - 47:15 275:14 due [11] - 40:3, 12, 19; 22:12; 96:9; 279:9 economy [7] - 19:11; 20:23; EIS [43] - 8:9; 11:17; 16:19; encouraged [1] - 45:20 156:19; 159:4; 160:25; 35:13; 66:18, 20; 71:12; 17:12; 19:14, 17; 20:18; 237:10; 247:1; 263:24; end [14] - 37:9; 38:4; 50:7; 136:13 27:9, 15; 45:5; 123:23; 270:22 52:24; 56:24; 57:6; 92:22; ecosection [1] - 137:15 142:23; 143:4, 7; 144:19; Dumbrell [1] - 266:16 173:21; 186:23, 25; ecosystem [9] - 137:24; 151:4; 154:15; 155:8; 198:11; 199:10; 227:20; dumped [1] - 215:16 139:8; 143:15; 144:7; 177:7; 193:6, 10; 196:8; 280:3 Dunlevy [1] - 158:11 168:8; 253:1; 255:8; 266:6 197:10; 206:3; 209:17; endlessly [1] - 228:6 Dunvegan [1] - 195:8 ecosystems [4] - 133:25; 214:19; 234:4, 6; 244:17, endorsed [1] - 263:10 duration [2] - 20:24; 214:16 143:19, 23 19, 24; 248:16; 254:4; endowment [2] - 133:3; during [24] - 17:16; 22:24; ecotourism [4] - 71:16; 256:19, 22; 259:15; 260:4;

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119:10, 18 facet [2] - 133:3; 137:9 125:10; 130:17; 139:25; Feldberg [2] - 2:10; 26:5 FLNRO [6] - 115:14; 118:9; facilitated [1] - 251:20 148:12; 165:11; 166:8, 20; felt [1] - 141:12 121:17, 22; 123:10, 14 facilitators [1] - 149:2 174:2; 176:9; 184:11; fence [1] - 227:12 floats [2] - 224:13 facilities [5] - 27:6, 8; 78:17; 186:11, 14; 188:5, 20; Fentanyl [1] - 40:22 flood [4] - 87:12; 103:2; 156:25; 254:15 189:4, 10; 190:17; 192:7; few [17] - 9:24; 28:1, 17; 156:19; 265:11 facility [2] - 223:4; 254:19 193:3; 229:4, 16, 22, 25; 35:5; 65:14; 75:7; 81:23; flooded [1] - 89:17 230:3; 231:14; 232:24; facility-specific [1] - 254:19 93:15; 94:17; 106:20; flooding [2] - 83:21; 108:19 233:7; 235:13; 236:8, 16, fact [13] - 45:20; 95:1; 124:12; 134:9; 167:6; floor [8] - 26:2; 44:22; 60:10; 18; 237:2, 13; 238:3; 152:13; 169:6; 177:10; 172:11; 174:13; 229:12 104:2; 153:16; 202:13; 199:21; 212:2, 22; 216:24; 243:5; 245:4; 248:4; 251:2, fewer [3] - 76:16; 111:18 228:12; 262:2 227:20; 248:11; 259:10; 12, 20; 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246:10; filling [1] - 263:24 23; 233:12, 25; 234:14, 23; 116:24; 117:10; 275:17 247:2; 254:5 filter [3] - 168:11, 21 235:9, 18; 236:10, 13, 19; fairness [2] - 137:1; 212:20 fly [5] - 33:4; 42:2; 208:10; filter/fine [3] - 168:11, 21 237:19; 238:8, 12; 240:20; fall [3] - 63:3; 215:15; 255:25 215:12 final [12] - 7:12; 77:20; 135:1; 241:7; 243:8, 13, 15, 19, fallen [1] - 82:11 flyers [1] - 210:1 186:22; 217:19; 229:3; 23; 244:13; 245:17; 247:4, falls [1] - 40:6 flying [2] - 203:25; 227:2 235:6; 236:12; 250:19; 17; 251:3; 252:7; 253:15; false [1] - 107:12

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204:3 Fraser [4] - 87:19; 93:24; G7 [1] - 26:16 283:19, 22 forge [1] - 255:23 102:20; 231:25 G8 [3] - 6:4; 9:13; 26:14 folks [2] - 67:4; 186:24 forget [1] - 84:1 freeze [1] - 215:12 gagnon [1] - 280:15 follow [14] - 38:3; 48:5; Forging [1] - 21:11 freezing [3] - 127:12; 217:1; Gagnon [6] - 3:15; 47:20, 24; 62:24; 74:25; 89:6; 157:15; forgot [1] - 8:8 224:9 48:1; 280:21 175:4; 216:21; 234:6; forgotten [1] - 182:12 frequency [1] - 214:16 GAGNON [6] - 48:4; 57:4; 252:19, 23; 257:12; form [6] - 32:20; 62:25; 84:6; frequent [1] - 149:13 58:7; 59:12; 60:18; 61:2 276:15; 277:21 224:11; 259:17; 265:12 Friday [1] - 200:8 gain/loss [1] - 81:15 follow-up [8] - 62:24; 74:25; formal [8] - 23:22; 33:23; friends [4] - 73:6, 11; 131:9; Gaining [3] - 64:16, 20; 71:9 89:6; 157:15; 234:6; 56:15, 21; 275:13; 277:1; 150:1 gaining [1] - 64:18 252:19; 257:12; 277:21 278:13; 280:21 front [5] - 67:19; 123:21; gains [1] - 60:3 following [8] - 22:16; 57:24; formats [1] - 141:14 183:13; 226:17; 229:1 game [1] - 46:6 138:2; 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133:21; fur [1] - 282:2 forward-looking [1] - 119:2 gentleman [2] - 60:21; 171:22; 172:19; 181:8 furthering [1] - 182:6 forwarded [1] - 113:22 231:17 Forest [4] - 3:21; 61:25; furthermore [1] - 141:18 foundation [1] - 22:7 geography [1] - 131:22 153:18; 217:18 furthest [2] - 197:17; 198:6 founded [1] - 282:5 George [14] - 15:24; 17:19,

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24; 32:4; 33:4; 47:14; 162:22; 172:10 Guide [1] - 86:3 harder [1] - 217:3 48:12; 72:7; 222:6, 22, 25; graphs [1] - 134:21 guide [12] - 74:22; 82:3; hardly [1] - 260:6 223:5; 279:5 grapple [1] - 185:8 83:15, 20, 23; 84:4, 9; Harrison [7] - 3:9, 19; 7:23; Germany [1] - 72:24 gratitude [2] - 201:1; 251:17 90:11; 91:10; 94:19; 61:21; 62:15; 89:5, 9 Gilbride [1] - 2:10 grave [1] - 53:7 257:13; 276:5 HARRISON [1] - 95:17 GIS [1] - 189:24 gravel [1] - 15:23 guided [2] - 283:5, 9 Harry [3] - 2:2; 192:10; 246:1 given [10] - 68:14; 75:2, 7; grayling [22] - 234:1; 237:11; guidelines [16] - 6:6; 84:1, 8, harvest [7] - 105:8; 110:5; 159:10; 166:9; 179:10; 239:5, 10; 240:2; 242:8; 21; 142:24; 193:6, 11, 18; 111:16, 19-20; 116:6, 24 217:18; 257:10; 259:2; 248:25; 249:4, 19; 250:25; 194:3; 196:8, 14; 197:11; harvestable [1] - 241:6 279:3 252:13; 253:6, 11; 256:21; 234:4; 244:17, 24; 263:3 harvested [3] - 237:9; 252:8, global [2] - 94:12; 224:4 257:14, 17, 21, 25; 258:7, guides [2] - 82:18, 21 10 globally [1] - 67:24 10; 259:1; 262:4 guiding [1] - 237:3 hashed [1] - 54:20 globally-standard [1] - 67:24 great [23] - 45:13; 48:5; Gun [5] - 125:6, 16; 128:4; hat [1] - 88:9 glove [1] - 180:21 55:20; 60:3, 13; 69:14; 131:19; 137:11 hats [2] - 28:5; 79:14 glycol [3] - 219:19, 23; 73:20; 78:15, 20; 86:18; gunk [1] - 225:5 haul [1] - 249:20 220:18 87:17; 88:7, 11-12; 95:9; guy [2] - 33:11; 227:22 Hawaii [1] - 67:11 goal [1] - 65:1 98:6, 25; 103:23; 153:1; guys [2] - 79:14; 212:16 hazard [1] - 29:25 goals [1] - 22:4 160:7; 177:23 head [2] - 132:14; 199:21 goat [1] - 110:4 greater [4] - 139:16; 150:22; H heading [1] - 179:9 god [1] - 226:7 153:5; 266:24 Health [24] - 10:1, 3, 7, 10, Godsoe [1] - 2:9 greatest [2] - 11:4; 57:17 14; 28:4; 29:13, 18; 33:6; Habitat [1] - 158:8 gold [3] - 12:20; 31:25; 32:2 greatly [2] - 144:21; 280:24 45:2, 10; 48:8; 262:21; habitat [44] - 11:13, 17, 22; Gold [1] - 195:7 green [1] - 169:9 263:1, 10, 20; 264:10, 12, 110:12; 124:9; 132:11, 13; Gold-Copper [1] - 195:7 Green [2] - 3:9; 7:22 15, 18; 280:10, 12 133:2; 137:8, 12; 143:19; golf [1] - 49:22 grieve [1] - 150:9 health [58] - 10:3, 6, 12; 144:2; 158:14; 182:21; Goliath [1] - 139:24 grim [1] - 44:1 13:2; 28:3, 7, 10, 13; 29:8, 183:5, 7, 10; 186:5; 189:1; goods [11] - 14:11; 15:5, 25; grizzlies [1] - 120:12 17-18, 21-22, 24-25; 30:1, 213:23; 230:4, 7; 232:2, 17:19, 24-25; 19:2, 7; grizzly [18] - 106:3; 120:8, 7, 10-12, 14, 20, 23; 32:14; 18; 234:15, 23; 235:10, 18, 22:19; 24:12; 279:2 20; 121:3, 11, 13, 19, 24; 33:1, 20-21; 36:9, 21; 25; 236:10, 13; 237:9, 15; goodwill [1] - 46:5 122:2, 7, 16, 21; 123:2, 21; 37:15, 23; 38:21; 40:1; 244:20; 246:17; 247:12, governance [1] - 137:1 124:5, 11, 13 41:9, 18-19; 42:6; 43:17; 15; 252:24; 253:2; 254:19; gross [1] - 215:23 44:9; 45:8; 46:10, 22; governed [1] - 49:5 255:4; 256:13 government [36] - 23:21; grossly [1] - 152:17 48:21; 50:9; 51:4; 52:17; habitat-based [1] - 124:9 25:1, 9, 21; 29:12; 32:13; ground [7] - 187:9; 216:11; 113:16; 135:11; 149:8; habitats [5] - 175:13; 236:20; 37:9; 38:17; 64:9; 96:19, 220:3; 224:13; 226:23; 150:2; 254:6; 262:20; 251:3; 254:12; 255:22 25; 97:25; 98:5, 8; 99:10; 227:7; 263:22 263:1; 264:20 Hadland [2] - 87:6; 89:2 118:3, 24; 121:20; 136:18; Group [3] - 230:21; 231:19; Health's [1] - 45:7 HADLAND [7] - 87:7; 88:14; 157:10; 162:21; 163:6, 15; 232:18 healthcare [2] - 34:11; 46:13 89:3, 11, 16, 19, 21 164:19; 166:19; 176:4, 6; group [6] - 12:2; 13:11; healthy [2] - 124:18; 126:9 half [11] - 82:8; 126:23; 177:1; 179:1; 188:4; 36:25; 38:1; 128:6; 196:19 hear [19] - 10:1, 17; 11:9; 130:2; 140:1; 158:23; 263:13; 268:6, 17; 271:20; groups [11] - 10:20; 12:10; 26:11; 30:19; 67:16; 94:4; 207:9, 19; 208:22; 209:3; 278:23 21:21; 41:15; 64:9; 65:17; 116:7; 117:4; 122:8; 221:10; 223:22 government's [3] - 21:17; 85:7; 110:18; 113:13; 136:15; 196:7; 202:8; Halfway [2] - 122:19; 253:13 23:18, 25 141:25; 194:22 206:10; 229:3; 237:23, 25; Hamilton [2] - 120:19; 124:7 Government's [1] - 23:15 grow [5] - 75:6; 76:3; 77:3; 260:7 hammer [1] - 112:6 government-to- 101:8; 105:4 heard [26] - 32:21; 53:15; hand [4] - 180:21; 218:25; government [1] - 188:4 growing [2] - 69:8; 87:14 83:8; 85:6; 87:12; 104:20; 232:4; 245:19 governments [4] - 21:22; grown [1] - 58:4 107:4; 108:3; 110:11; hand-in-glove [1] - 180:21 34:10; 164:18; 265:24 grows [2] - 267:5; 279:12 113:12; 114:4; 118:25; handles [1] - 68:12 governor [1] - 272:12 growth [21] - 37:16; 42:5; 120:9; 121:15; 123:11; hands [8] - 57:2; 61:15; Grade [1] - 36:19 52:20; 88:7; 156:22; 142:25; 152:19; 201:14; 62:21, 23; 76:16; 144:13; grades [1] - 276:5 171:21, 23, 25; 172:1, 5, 202:25; 206:6; 262:15; 152:6; 160:9 graduate [2] - 39:21; 133:24 10, 13, 24; 173:3, 10, 263:6; 267:21; 271:17; hands-on [1] - 144:13 280:18; 283:13 graduation [1] - 203:19 15-16; 266:21; 267:4, 22; hang [1] - 211:3 hearing [5] - 117:13; 121:23; Grand [2] - 204:2; 210:14 280:1 hangar [1] - 222:23 135:16; 140:16; 187:20 grandma [2] - 51:16; 58:21 guaranteed [1] - 18:21 hanging [2] - 137:3; 180:12 HEARING [1] - 1:11 grandpa [1] - 58:21 guess [9] - 107:20; 123:9; happy [5] - 46:21; 99:12; hearing/start [1] - 136:10 Grant [1] - 283:25 127:23; 143:6; 187:14; 105:6; 124:8; 251:9 hearings [6] - 130:23; granted [1] - 275:6 196:21; 213:8; 214:2; 218:7 hard [10] - 38:19; 50:3; 135:14; 136:11; 138:2; granting [1] - 130:19 55:11; 79:14; 189:3; guidance [8] - 141:2; 142:15; 143:5; 283:17 granular [2] - 72:12; 79:24 200:10; 210:22; 217:7, 11; 166:1, 6; 179:14; 263:2; heartburn [2] - 225:6; 228:3 graph [4] - 38:3; 54:5; 244:23 264:15, 18 hearts [1] - 150:9

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85:22; 86:24; 90:23; hotel [1] - 79:11 254:13; 256:8, 11; 257:11; heli-ski [1] - 86:8 91:7; 96:14; 129:25; hotels [2] - 68:4; 74:14 261:9; 262:5, 10, 25; heli-skiing [1] - 98:18 133:16, 22; 157:20; 158:4 hotspots [1] - 266:6 263:12; 264:14; 265:2, 25; helicopter [1] - 208:25 hill [1] - 148:23 hour [4] - 43:9; 61:5; 207:1, 266:24; 268:14, 20; helicopters [1] - 221:8 hillsides [1] - 134:1 13 269:24; 270:14, 22; help [37] - 18:15; 22:3, 5; himself [1] - 207:21 hour's [1] - 43:10 276:11, 15; 278:3, 8, 16; 24:19; 28:20; 41:12; 58:20; hinges [2] - 248:25; 249:5 hourly [1] - 224:1 280:22; 281:8; 283:4 59:3; 66:18; 74:12; 77:17; hiring [1] - 58:23 hours [4] - 38:22; 221:6, 13; Hydro's [9] - 209:10; 228:20; 79:5, 9; 82:19; 86:5; 101:8, historic [2] - 155:2; 282:4 283:20 233:2; 234:14; 260:7; 24; 155:15; 165:1, 9; historical [6] - 52:1; 54:1; house [4] - 112:5; 134:9; 262:22; 269:15; 270:17; 166:22; 171:5; 179:13; 103:18; 154:21; 278:21; 142:3; 176:6 279:9 189:24; 197:4; 199:5, 10; 282:3 housing [15] - 11:6; 15:11, Hydro-owned [1] - 256:11 203:11; 206:7; 211:21; historically [2] - 109:17; 17; 266:18; 268:19, 21; hydroelectric [3] - 193:20; 217:20; 218:12; 219:17; 223:25 269:4, 7, 12, 14, 17, 19; 194:15; 195:8 234:18; 239:1; 242:22; history [7] - 32:1; 133:5; 276:10 hydrology [4] - 197:16; 261:10 135:3; 200:2; 254:20; Hudson's [10] - 38:15; 91:25; 198:5, 7; 254:19 helped [1] - 228:17 260:8; 262:4 131:16; 134:6; 145:8; hypotheses [1] - 258:6 helpful [6] - 57:20; 79:6; hit [1] - 56:5 158:10; 184:4; 204:19; 80:5, 8; 194:11; 261:25 hitchhike [1] - 228:8 282:3 helping [5] - 100:19; 167:3; hits [1] - 175:6 huge [8] - 73:5, 22; 93:4; I 169:7; 230:24; 280:6 hitting [1] - 171:1 114:14; 147:18; 148:16; helps [2] - 168:22; 171:9 HIV [1] - 37:12 155:11; 185:13 ice [11] - 147:13, 15; 211:6, Henry [2] - 32:4; 47:13 hmm [5] - 57:4; 59:12; 60:18; hugely [1] - 152:22 17; 215:22, 25; 216:6, 12; Hep [1] - 37:12 117:17; 191:1 Huggins [1] - 2:15 219:19, 21 herd [1] - 161:9 hoc [1] - 63:6 human [1] - 262:20 icing [6] - 126:20; 210:14; herds [1] - 161:5 Hoffman [1] - 152:19 Human [1] - 262:22 211:3; 215:20; 218:14; hereby [1] - 285:5 holder [1] - 84:4 hundred [1] - 97:9 227:9 herein [1] - 285:8 holders [4] - 6:6; 84:2, 13, 22 hung [1] - 135:13 idea [6] - 55:19; 78:20; hereunto [1] - 285:13 holding [5] - 131:14; 132:9; hunt [9] - 97:19; 109:13; 104:3; 105:4; 261:14; heritage [4] - 65:14; 102:16; 220:21; 221:2, 4 110:23; 111:3; 112:16; 263:11 103:10, 22 holds [2] - 231:23; 232:9 116:8, 25; 122:22 ideal [3] - 86:6; 98:19, 22 hesitate [1] - 189:7 hole [2] - 148:19, 25 huntable [2] - 125:10; 128:6 ideally [4] - 23:10; 24:6; hi [2] - 183:25; 231:11 Holt [3] - 240:15; 259:18, 21 hunter [3] - 110:3; 158:16; 70:11; 98:21 hidden [1] - 217:5 home [5] - 39:10; 59:24; 270:25 identical [1] - 259:5 High [1] - 222:5 67:12; 150:10 hunters [4] - 110:17, 24; identifiable [1] - 142:8 high [25] - 16:3; 39:16, 24; honoured [2] - 132:1, 5 116:25; 184:22 identification [2] - 218:21; 40:4, 14, 16; 42:24; 43:5; Hope [11] - 38:15; 91:25; hunting [5] - 91:14; 105:3; 261:22 56:6; 70:8, 13, 15; 82:23; 131:16; 134:6; 144:11; 111:10; 186:13; 188:16 identified [17] - 13:10; 86:7; 90:8; 98:21; 120:2; 145:8; 158:11; 184:4, 6; HYDRO [2] - 1:3 131:13; 137:20; 145:3, 11; 122:13; 124:18; 142:4; 204:19; 282:3 hydro [5] - 78:3; 137:6; 152:10, 12; 169:15; 170:2; 166:10; 190:10; 226:11; hope [12] - 31:10; 50:15; 154:12; 204:22; 220:24 232:19; 235:8; 238:13; 233:6; 238:23 79:2; 96:25; 104:12, 19; Hydro [115] - 2:9; 3:5, 12; 240:4; 253:18; 259:12; high-cost [2] - 70:8, 13 154:13; 165:10; 174:3; 4:3; 5:4; 7:15; 9:16, 18; 270:22; 276:16 high-paid [1] - 82:23 186:21; 210:23; 223:18 10:4, 22; 12:19; 13:5; identifies [1] - 143:13 high-pay [1] - 86:7 hopeful [3] - 118:2; 277:1; 16:19, 22; 17:12, 18; 18:3, identify [14] - 21:23; 22:2; higher [6] - 106:11; 107:19; 278:10 11; 19:6, 8; 21:2; 22:21; 151:16; 152:3; 156:17; 139:17; 146:3; 224:17 hopefully [1] - 57:16 23:4, 12, 24; 24:1, 4, 6, 16; 165:21; 170:12; 207:2, 7, highest [4] - 40:11; 47:1; hopes [1] - 147:6 25:3, 20; 44:23; 45:21; 20; 233:15, 18; 244:19; 50:2; 53:23 hoping [5] - 28:11; 54:14; 54:14, 18; 55:9; 56:15; 277:18 highlight [2] - 213:19; 105:14; 161:15; 203:10 57:6; 60:24; 78:21; 83:19; identifying [2] - 164:25; 250:22 horrendous [1] - 215:7 88:16, 20, 23; 89:19; 236:23

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IDP [1] - 52:24 238:24 incorporate [1] - 189:24 17; 35:16; 46:5, 8; 67:15; IFR [1] - 208:13 important [36] - 15:20; 18:24; Incorporated [1] - 231:20 68:14; 114:8; 166:8; ignored [2] - 148:17; 209:5 20:22; 23:13; 32:19; 45:25; incorporated [4] - 182:2; 280:12 ignoring [1] - 210:6 55:4; 65:5; 67:25; 68:8; 187:8; 247:23; 259:1 industry [24] - 21:21; 32:13; II [1] - 219:23 69:11; 70:7; 73:23; 75:25; incorporating [2] - 10:14; 34:3; 35:2; 36:11; 39:22; illegal [1] - 40:22 76:1; 83:12; 86:17; 87:18, 161:24 49:9; 68:9, 15; 87:14; illustrating [1] - 146:23 22; 95:20; 96:12; 105:2, increase [13] - 36:14; 41:2; 114:15; 164:21; 166:21; illustration [1] - 165:15 15; 123:16; 127:4; 166:23; 52:8; 139:14; 149:5; 165:8; 170:15; 174:3; 176:10; ILSs [1] - 218:8 167:24; 177:8; 188:22; 170:22; 172:22; 252:5, 11; 211:22, 24; 212:2; 213:1, image [1] - 119:2 245:12; 255:11; 280:13; 271:15; 279:11 17; 224:3; 268:6; 279:12 images [1] - 53:24 281:16, 24; 282:18 increased [7] - 15:5; 52:12; inefficient [1] - 146:16 imaging [1] - 119:23 importantly [1] - 270:21 98:10; 106:14; 248:20; infant [2] - 51:6; 52:2 imbalances [1] - 18:5 impose [1] - 102:3 254:5; 265:1 infected [1] - 113:12 imbedded [1] - 217:5 impossible [2] - 47:3; 61:6 increases [4] - 15:19; 40:21; infer [1] - 188:8 impact [41] - 15:16; 17:25; impression [2] - 30:24; 139:10; 205:5 infill [1] - 267:7 18:1; 28:15; 29:5, 17, 23; 141:11 increasing [2] - 54:6; 65:2 inflated [1] - 152:17 33:17, 20-21; 42:11, 16; impressive [1] - 43:8 increasingly [1] - 69:4 inflow [1] - 101:10 52:21; 81:7; 82:10; 83:2, 5; improve [4] - 44:5; 171:12; incredibly [2] - 73:24; 86:16 influence [5] - 29:8; 131:5; 84:12; 87:12; 88:21; 92:17; 173:25; 211:16 incremental [3] - 150:19; 149:22; 246:20; 269:15 109:14, 18; 131:13; 136:1; improved [3] - 44:3; 164:24; 275:21, 24 influx [2] - 88:10; 112:17 138:24; 139:12, 14; 148:4; 172:23 incursion [1] - 172:14 inform [3] - 248:18; 249:8; 153:5, 7, 10; 154:8; 185:8, improvement [3] - 171:17; incursions [8] - 171:24; 258:1 19, 25; 224:3, 6; 266:2; 250:10, 13 172:11, 16, 18; 173:1; information [99] - 6:9, 12; 268:9; 279:21 improvements [1] - 250:18 183:8; 184:12; 185:3 54:12; 58:10; 70:17; 72:10; Impact [11] - 152:11; 163:13, improves [1] - 208:19 indeed [1] - 284:5 75:2; 87:10; 103:11, 15; 16, 25; 177:11, 22; 178:19; IN [2] - 1:1; 285:13 independent [4] - 12:15; 104:22; 115:3, 6; 123:20; 193:19; 198:2; 230:6; in-depth [3] - 117:10; 187:4; 240:7; 271:23 125:24; 128:25; 129:7, 22; 246:15 153:20; 188:18 independently [2] - 257:6; 130:3; 135:15; 140:4; impacted [14] - 24:22; 36:21; in-migration [1] - 154:23 259:7 141:2, 4, 13; 142:4, 14-15; 43:5; 77:25; 81:12, 18; in-stream [1] - 169:23 indescribable [1] - 63:24 144:19; 146:2; 151:19; 82:8; 111:4; 150:15; Inc [1] - 2:14 INDEX [2] - 3:1; 6:1 152:7; 160:1; 161:16; 152:22; 162:12; 210:21; incandescent [1] - 226:3 index [2] - 119:13, 15 162:19; 164:20, 22, 24; 244:21; 264:7 incapable [1] - 147:25 indicate [5] - 160:6; 172:24; 165:5, 21, 25; 166:24; impacts [51] - 16:20; 17:6; inch [1] - 225:9 180:25; 187:15; 247:19 170:24; 175:10, 14, 20, 25; 18:11, 16, 19; 20:6; 21:1, incidents [1] - 149:13 indicated [5] - 181:4; 193:4; 176:3, 12, 16, 21; 177:18; 3; 22:18; 23:11; 24:10, 20; include [24] - 17:12; 25:2; 248:16; 270:14; 278:1 178:20; 179:18, 25; 28:12; 33:19; 36:11; 54:21; 108:7; 109:2; 143:19; indicates [4] - 19:7; 139:3, 7; 183:14, 20; 187:7; 189:13, 56:16; 86:20; 96:21; 98:9; 144:20; 167:25; 168:3, 5; 207:24 21; 190:15; 196:20, 25; 197:7, 14-15, 19, 22; 102:15; 139:17; 143:16; 197:13; 205:9; 234:12; indication [2] - 12:20; 177:20 199:2, 22, 24; 200:1, 6; 144:1, 5, 7; 145:16; 236:11, 22; 237:13; indicators [7] - 12:1; 30:8, 146:17, 24; 151:8, 23; 239:23; 241:10; 244:13; 13, 23; 37:15; 45:8; 170:16 234:18, 24; 235:14, 24; 241:15, 17; 245:1; 248:12, 153:6; 162:7, 16; 177:16; 250:19; 256:10; 261:1; indiscernible [8] - 35:5; 186:10; 202:18, 20; 206:4; 270:3; 282:2 131:18; 147:18; 156:20; 18; 249:7; 250:3; 252:20; 253:10; 258:8; 259:3; 212:19; 223:20; 233:8; included [12] - 91:3; 123:23; 171:24; 240:20, 24; 242:12 263:13, 16, 25; 266:9; 235:18; 236:9; 245:1; 133:7; 142:6; 191:3; indiscernible) [2] - 178:17; 277:23 265:21; 270:8; 271:7; 193:13; 206:21; 234:10; 245:14 informational [1] - 236:24 276:20; 280:23; 283:14 247:22; 249:16; 259:10; individual [3] - 50:4; 135:16; impaired [1] - 138:9 278:7 171:7 informed [2] - 234:14; 254:17 impedes [1] - 145:13 includes [12] - 12:9, 14; individual-stream [1] - 171:7 informing [1] - 190:6 imperative [1] - 25:14 13:2; 35:14; 64:13; 65:10; individuals [13] - 49:11; implement [2] - 167:4; 192:6 67:6; 148:9; 153:7; 193:19; 58:12; 83:7, 12; 107:18; infrared [3] - 119:1, 23 implementation [6] - 182:7; 205:3; 266:25 117:5; 134:23; 136:7, 17, Infrastructure [1] - 129:24 235:1, 10; 270:17; 277:24; including [19] - 10:24; 12:16; 23; 137:10, 20; 232:14 infrastructure [10] - 15:8, 12, 18; 17:8; 21:10; 34:9; 283:5 13:2; 20:22; 65:12; 145:7; inducement [1] - 269:2 77:25; 155:14; 170:23; implemented [6] - 22:20; 164:9; 194:13; 200:2; indulgence [2] - 262:17; 236:5; 249:21; 253:21; 211:9, 11; 233:25; 234:24; 284:4 172:22 ingredient [1] - 224:8 261:18; 272:24 236:19; 239:15; 251:3; industrial [18] - 15:15; 20:14; implementing [2] - 163:1; 256:4; 270:17; 281:10 101:12; 132:25; 139:11; inherent [1] - 257:10 232:2 inclusion [2] - 49:25; 86:23 151:2; 193:7; 196:9; 197:1; initial [2] - 187:13; 239:22 implications [1] - 99:9 income [1] - 35:18 199:4; 214:20; 217:4; initiate [3] - 18:12; 24:16; implies [1] - 138:3 incoming [1] - 219:7 219:20; 223:2; 225:5; 137:12 importance [6] - 157:20, 22; incomplete [2] - 20:23; 227:3; 268:16 initiatives [3] - 237:5; 186:13; 188:21; 233:6; 117:14 industries [11] - 33:24; 34:6, 278:24; 279:15

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injuries [1] - 39:12 124:3; 133:6; 167:21; 114:12; 275:19 jeopardize [1] - 19:13 injury [1] - 129:24 260:21 involves [1] - 162:25 Jesse [17] - 4:15, 17, 19, 22; inner [1] - 178:2 interesting [9] - 76:10; 77:4; involving [1] - 257:3 5:2; 229:17, 21, 24; 231:8, inner-agency [1] - 178:2 158:1; 180:23; 185:7; IR [1] - 89:23 11, 15; 237:23; 243:2, 4; innovative [1] - 21:18 193:16; 200:16; 284:9, 19 ironically [1] - 150:4 245:6; 247:25; 248:3 input [8] - 180:23; 238:24; interests [11] - 22:9, 12; irrespective [1] - 105:10 JESSE [10] - 229:23; 231:9, 239:21; 247:17; 253:23; 24:4; 84:7; 101:6; 123:15; irresponsibly [1] - 33:19 16; 237:25; 243:6; 248:5; 269:22; 280:9; 282:15 142:16; 146:14; 277:11, irritable [1] - 149:17 260:24; 261:12, 16; 262:8 inputs [4] - 239:17; 242:6; 16, 19 Island [1] - 282:6 Jim [5] - 2:3; 90:1; 106:16; 245:14; 247:4 interior [1] - 39:4 islands [6] - 108:5, 8, 21; 183:25; 185:1 insects [1] - 255:25 internal [2] - 163:6; 276:6 109:2; 115:25; 119:4 Jim's [2] - 79:8; 187:18 insert [1] - 84:15 internally [1] - 105:12 isolated [1] - 150:6 jive [1] - 30:24 insignificant [2] - 152:21; International [1] - 204:5 issue [14] - 59:1; 97:23; job [6] - 31:3, 5; 34:4; 35:12; 153:9 international [7] - 70:18; 116:18; 184:10; 199:19; 68:17; 213:21 inspections [1] - 274:5 76:8; 100:17, 20; 157:23; 205:21; 213:14; 233:15; jobs [4] - 36:5; 64:14; 65:2; install [2] - 218:3, 13 206:16; 210:24 238:11; 243:8; 245:19; 68:17 installations [1] - 204:15 internationally [1] - 65:1 260:10; 263:21 Jobs [2] - 62:12; 64:10 installed [1] - 203:6 internet [2] - 44:11; 83:24 issued [3] - 18:23; 202:22; Jocelyne [1] - 2:2 instance [12] - 37:11; 80:11; interpret [1] - 40:18 235:14 John [49] - 1:24; 3:16; 7:2; 83:8, 20; 85:6; 93:23; interpretation [1] - 140:14 issues [19] - 12:2; 21:19; 10:17, 21; 11:8; 17:15; 95:13; 105:25; 108:4; interpretive [2] - 87:1; 282:1 40:1; 77:23; 138:13; 33:4; 38:7; 42:25; 47:24; 110:11; 155:7; 181:5 interprovincial [1] - 204:5 148:18; 149:24; 151:4; 48:11, 14, 19; 49:1, 8; instant [1] - 211:5 interrupt [2] - 199:17; 246:1 152:13; 184:8; 196:3; 50:11; 51:22; 54:22; 55:1; instead [6] - 16:22; 17:5, 14; intersection [1] - 219:14 203:10; 210:14; 227:9; 56:3; 60:19, 23; 91:25; 20:19; 85:11; 149:18 intervention [2] - 29:6; 50:23 256:24; 275:14; 277:10, 93:1; 120:12; 129:5; Institute [1] - 211:12 interventions [1] - 41:9 19; 280:13 130:22; 131:9, 17; 132:6; institution [3] - 137:19; introduce [3] - 62:7; 131:11; items [2] - 205:4; 252:3 134:7, 10; 136:9; 149:9; 274:11; 275:19 231:2 itself [8] - 77:17; 87:13; 150:8; 154:4; 158:10; institutional [1] - 260:15 introduced [1] - 245:8 88:25; 110:5; 159:24; 204:11; 260:16; 266:12; instructor [1] - 115:11 introduction [3] - 133:12; 218:6; 225:18; 226:5 270:1, 19; 278:11; 280:15; instrument [3] - 119:19; 160:17; 231:14 IZETT [2] - 129:21; 130:7 282:3; 283:15 216:9; 218:4 Introduction [3] - 3:21; 4:19; Izett [5] - 3:7; 4:5; 7:19; join [2] - 46:9; 50:15 instrumentation [2] - 211:1, 61:25 129:6, 12 joined [1] - 230:19 18 inundated [1] - 92:19 joint [1] - 265:6 JOINT [3] - 1:1; 2:1 instruments [1] - 216:5 inundating [1] - 103:6 J insufficient [2] - 142:15; inundation [1] - 147:10 Joint [4] - 89:7; 133:9; 258:8 Inuvik [1] - 204:16 252:20; 278:15 JACKSON [5] - 44:24; 89:5, insurance [1] - 39:7 inventory [3] - 88:6; 101:6; jointly [1] - 191:3 23; 119:7; 154:13 insurmountable [1] - 135:16 122:10 joke [1] - 33:2 Jackson [4] - 3:7; 4:4; 7:18; intact [1] - 139:18 inverse [1] - 227:8 Josh [1] - 257:6 129:11 intactness [1] - 183:9 inversion [3] - 214:18; 215:6; journalist [1] - 32:4 JAMES [3] - 60:12; 89:25; integrated [4] - 65:9; 164:8; 226:24 JRP [1] - 89:23 125:3 255:6, 8 inversion" [1] - 206:10 judgment [1] - 109:6 James [1] - 102:24 intend [2] - 37:3; 114:18 inversions [2] - 214:17; Judy [4] - 3:8; 4:6; 7:21; jams [1] - 147:13 intended [4] - 164:18, 20; 226:17 129:14 janitorial [1] - 209:25 165:10; 206:7 invertebrates [1] - 256:5 JUDY [1] - 83:24 January [6] - 1:15; 7:1; intensely [1] - 189:17 invest [3] - 88:1; 136:24 jump [1] - 52:9 11:11; 257:18; 259:20; intensively [2] - 190:12 invested [3] - 36:3; 37:17; June [1] - 194:5 285:14 intent [5] - 105:17; 122:20; 135:7 jurisdiction [3] - 213:10, 15; JASON [12] - 115:10; 116:3; 153:11; 257:24; 269:20 investigating [1] - 173:16 276:4 117:17, 20; 118:8, 14; [1] investing [3] - 94:14; 95:13; Justice [3] - 271:2, 14; intentfully - 105:21 119:25; 120:4, 7; 122:25; 137:22 275:22 intention [2] - 105:8, 16 123:7; 125:1 intentions [1] - 140:16 investment [5] - 12:18; 13:3; justification [1] - 242:4 Jason [1] - 115:11 interaction [1] - 240:12 135:10; 148:15; 170:22 juvenile [5] - 245:17; 257:23; Jeff [4] - 3:11; 4:7; 8:1; investments [1] - 134:23 258:16, 18, 24 interactions [3] - 132:23; 129:17 180:1; 239:24 invitations [1] - 141:23 juveniles [2] - 258:11, 14 JENNIFER [13] - 63:15; 64:3, interest [16] - 37:7; 130:25; invite [2] - 51:23; 250:18 6; 79:19, 23; 80:23; 82:16; 137:2; 140:6; 141:5, 25; involve [1] - 247:13 85:18; 86:16; 87:16; 94:6; K 151:6, 24; 153:11; 178:11; involved [10] - 31:11; 35:16; 99:11; 103:22 182:8; 186:11; 200:17; 96:8; 118:18, 21; 124:1, Jennifer [6] - 3:19; 4:1; Kamloops [1] - 222:14 233:4; 253:5; 281:22 15; 140:21; 211:8; 234:25 61:20; 62:11; 63:12; Kechika [2] - 91:3; 133:18 interested [6] - 57:19; 93:14; involvement [3] - 34:12; 103:14 keep [9] - 36:14; 58:7, 9;

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36:2 79:20; 98:14; 109:13; 196:6; 233:11, 16; 239:7; lag [1] - 18:6 layer [1] - 185:4 131:3; 139:3, 7, 13; 247:7; 256:19; 259:11; laid [3] - 35:4; 36:3; 37:2 layers [1] - 185:25 141:19; 171:25; 172:2; 280:5 lake [5] - 80:14, 16; 99:17; lead [2] - 145:2; 279:11 206:20; 219:1; 223:23; key-role [1] - 32:20 134:15; 256:1 leader [1] - 132:10 240:16; 254:11 kick [1] - 125:11 Lake [4] - 174:17; 190:20; leaders [2] - 13:10; 100:17 lessons [1] - 173:22 kid [1] - 46:18 222:4; 237:14 leadership [2] - 10:9; 155:12 letter [5] - 23:21, 25; 194:5; kids [6] - 50:7, 24; 51:5, 24; land [32] - 6:9; 21:22; 22:3; leading [4] - 166:19; 170:16; 269:19; 273:10 56:11; 60:5 36:12; 108:12, 14-15; 178:1; 270:4 letters [2] - 205:24 kill [1] - 126:21 111:4; 112:20; 114:19; leads [4] - 21:6; 35:13; letting [2] - 63:16; 220:2 kilometre [3] - 130:2; 215:3; 115:4; 131:12; 147:12; 97:23; 98:16 Level [1] - 222:5 225:24 163:21; 172:3; 174:24; leaps [1] - 52:11 level [32] - 12:20, 22; 72:12; kilometres [7] - 126:2, 11; 181:1, 24-25; 184:11, 14, learn [1] - 32:3 78:7; 85:12; 136:17; 143:4; 19, 22; 185:9; 186:12; 130:1, 21; 215:5; 225:25; learned [4] - 34:6; 134:11; 153:9; 163:12, 16, 25; 264:4 187:16; 208:5; 224:12; 173:23; 214:23 165:7; 166:5, 7, 12; 171:8; 232:25; 264:4; 265:13; kind [15] - 15:25; 52:5; 64:18; learning [1] - 44:19 172:17; 190:10; 224:8; 267:3 65:8, 17; 70:17; 106:15; learnings [1] - 174:4 225:1; 235:20; 238:14, 23; land-use [2] - 181:1, 24 127:5, 14; 134:8; 155:20, least [7] - 76:18; 117:5; 241:25; 243:11; 245:23; 22; 184:20; 260:14; 261:10 landed [1] - 227:24 126:1; 143:7; 214:25; 246:10; 247:15; 249:14; kinds [3] - 83:11; 181:1; landing [5] - 205:10; 216:9; 220:2; 242:25 254:5; 283:2 218:3; 227:25 260:9 leave [15] - 36:13, 17, 19; levels [8] - 16:23; 25:9; 52:9; King [5] - 99:4, 6-7; 102:7 landmark [3] - 207:2, 7, 20 41:24; 46:23; 47:7; 62:21; 142:3; 241:6; 244:11; knowledge [4] - 105:18; landowner [2] - 108:15; 82:25; 150:3; 155:16; 263:7, 12 142:9; 159:24; 203:15 153:18 160:9; 219:4; 283:7 liability [1] - 147:13 landowners [1] - 265:8 knows [1] - 284:14 leaves [1] - 36:8 liaison [1] - 277:6 lands [1] - 133:4 kokanee [2] - 239:6; 256:22 leaving [2] - 20:21; 251:13 liberty [1] - 71:24 Lands [19] - 3:17, 22; 4:1, Kootenay [1] - 143:17 lecturing [1] - 203:25 library [1] - 216:20 11; 6:7; 61:13, 17, 25; Kootenays [1] - 150:7 led [5] - 100:15; 138:16; licence [14] - 31:3; 36:24; 62:20; 63:13; 65:6; 84:23; Korman [1] - 257:6 249:17 39:12; 113:6, 8-9; 115:19; 103:9; 159:21; 160:12; Kristy [12] - 3:20; 4:11; LEE [12] - 115:10; 116:3; 136:22, 25; 138:21; 172:7; 61:23; 159:10, 14, 16, 20; 177:25; 257:4; 281:4; 117:17, 20; 118:8, 14; 216:20, 22 282:21 160:3, 11; 183:25; 189:13; 119:25; 120:4, 7; 122:25; license [1] - 108:6 landscape [5] - 89:15; 200:23 123:7; 125:1 licensed [3] - 110:3; 116:25; 111:15; 133:19; 134:18; KRISTY [33] - 159:15; 160:7, Lee [1] - 115:11 171:15 139:9 13; 161:8; 174:20, 23; lee [4] - 117:12; 120:5; licenses [1] - 108:7 language [1] - 59:23 175:17, 23; 176:2; 177:23; 122:24; 124:24 licensing [1] - 108:3 large [15] - 148:8; 155:9; 178:18; 180:4; 181:17; left [13] - 36:5; 40:5; 48:7; LiDAR [2] - 210:25; 218:13 172:1; 203:5; 212:7, 11, 182:17; 183:23; 185:1; 53:12; 56:9; 62:17; 102:25; Lidstone [6] - 260:11; 186:16, 19, 21; 187:6, 11, 13; 232:3; 242:13; 245:21; 125:25; 126:24; 169:18; 271:17; 272:5; 273:1; 19, 22; 188:2; 189:15; 248:8; 255:14; 279:6; 172:12; 226:2; 231:18 274:23; 275:7 281:19 190:8; 191:1, 8, 23; leftover [1] - 8:4 lidstone [1] - 274:13 largely [4] - 81:8; 103:1; 192:11, 14; 195:22; 196:1 legacy [1] - 150:23 lieutenant [1] - 272:12 248:25; 249:5 KURSCHNER [1] - 183:3 legal [11] - 14:3; 62:5; 159:7; life [9] - 40:10; 42:14; 51:6; larger [3] - 16:16; 49:1; Kwadacha [23] - 3:13; 13:20, 162:21; 167:15; 173:2; 131:3; 135:8; 150:8; 184:17 23; 14:4, 12, 23; 15:3, 10; 187:15; 229:25; 278:16, 254:20; 260:8; 262:3 largest [4] - 49:2; 212:8; 16:10; 17:1, 10, 23; 18:2, 18; 279:1 lifetime [1] - 96:7 213:3 5, 11; 22:22; 24:15; 25:16, Legal [12] - 2:4, 9-10; 3:13, lifts [1] - 224:13 last [36] - 28:1; 53:1; 63:1; 19; 92:21; 279:3, 13 18; 4:15, 17; 13:24; 61:19; light [6] - 18:18; 151:6; 70:21; 83:9; 85:1; 86:11; Kwadacha's [2] - 15:16; 229:17, 21 196:18; 217:6; 225:8; 93:15; 97:8; 102:7; 104:14; 279:1 legally [4] - 18:22; 22:21; 226:4 106:14; 114:3; 120:10; 278:2, 4 lighter [1] - 226:19

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lighting [4] - 204:7; 218:10; loans [1] - 36:13 53:16; 58:23; 70:3; 71:18; 104:11; 129:22; 174:9, 20; 226:3 local [32] - 7:13; 9:21; 11:3; 77:22; 78:9; 81:13; 88:18; 191:25; 192:21; 196:2; likely [7] - 15:19; 18:11; 19:11; 29:6; 32:13; 34:10; 92:1; 101:7; 105:24; 198:18; 201:7; 264:9 24:22; 151:21; 205:7; 35:21; 58:11; 63:21; 71:12; 106:24; 119:2; 120:20; magical [2] - 195:14; 198:21 233:23; 265:17 73:17; 74:25; 77:1; 78:16; 149:19; 155:8; 163:21; magnitude [4] - 109:11; likewise [1] - 9:4 112:24; 114:15; 133:2; 166:10, 12; 170:14; 171:8; 146:3; 154:6; 213:1 limit [3] - 208:24; 209:3; 137:11, 19; 217:23; 179:1, 8; 182:23; 184:1, 5; main [5] - 50:23; 210:15; 283:19 233:24; 236:20; 248:19; 185:15; 186:4, 9; 201:21; 243:21; 248:7 limitations [3] - 187:16; 251:3; 268:6, 16; 269:9; 202:4; 217:7; 227:12; Mainland [3] - 2:14; 87:20; 197:8; 230:17 277:15; 279:9, 11; 281:24 241:13; 248:6 159:4 limited [8] - 20:2; 100:13; Local [2] - 1:14; 7:6 lookout [1] - 157:1 maintain [5] - 168:23; 169:7, 112:15; 149:8; 196:25; locality" [1] - 41:2 looks [4] - 57:2; 69:23; 22 243:19; 256:7; 259:3 localized [1] - 170:7 154:19; 163:25 maintained [1] - 19:3 limiting [1] - 169:20 locally [5] - 19:8; 64:25; loopholes [1] - 214:20 maintaining [6] - 12:23; limits [8] - 109:5, 8, 22-24; 74:2; 200:18; 237:9 loose [2] - 122:3; 126:23 151:11; 169:5; 182:4; 110:1; 242:2; 260:13 locally-harvested [1] - 237:9 lose [4] - 35:6; 36:23; 39:22; 241:6; 249:24 line [19] - 37:24; 38:1; 39:5, locals [1] - 58:4 83:21 maintenance [1] - 281:13 16; 45:6; 65:11; 83:14; locate [2] - 149:3; 211:1 losing [2] - 103:5; 216:22 major [17] - 76:21, 23; 98:4; 108:4, 11, 19, 25; 109:1; located [2] - 15:1; 267:23 loss [11] - 36:5; 38:10; 99:15; 106:22; 131:21; 115:16; 118:23; 159:13; location [3] - 144:6; 181:7; 110:12; 143:19-21; 210:5; 133:7; 157:13; 163:12; 162:22; 219:3; 221:23; 254:8 245:21; 246:17; 247:12 164:8; 165:3; 170:1, 6, 16; 226:16 locations [3] - 69:3; 237:12; losses [1] - 145:3 177:16; 197:25; 254:15 line-up [1] - 219:3 264:22 lost [3] - 40:10; 44:7; 108:19 maker [1] - 178:25 lined [2] - 218:8; 219:13 log [1] - 214:24 love [3] - 78:21; 99:11; 102:8 makers [3] - 164:22; 166:2; lines [5] - 39:18; 175:4; Logan [1] - 189:9 low [20] - 37:18; 38:11; 171:8 224:5; 255:7; 276:6 LOGAN [6] - 189:11; 190:5, 44:20; 133:4; 170:5; 171:1; male [1] - 45:12 link [6] - 6:5; 48:23; 84:17, 21; 191:2, 15; 192:16 172:25; 180:12; 181:5, 8; manage [8] - 21:23; 22:2; 21; 178:24; 179:16 logical [1] - 160:25 217:2, 5; 224:8, 19, 22-23; 24:4; 105:11, 22; 122:20; linkages [2] - 191:12; 192:1 long-term [11] - 18:19, 21; 225:2 158:17; 193:24 linked [1] - 68:1 22:6; 23:11; 42:12; 54:21; low-hanging [1] - 180:12 manageable [2] - 162:11, 14 links [2] - 65:17; 262:20 56:16; 66:25; 73:21; 136:1; low-level [1] - 224:8 managed [4] - 34:15; 141:19; liquid [6] - 211:1; 215:14, 16; 149:21 low-risk [3] - 171:2; 181:5 195:14 218:15; 224:9; 226:1 look [95] - 8:20; 9:2; 10:13; lower [6] - 96:6; 145:7, 14; management [65] - 6:9; 24:3; list [12] - 36:7; 40:7; 56:7; 11:20; 13:14, 17; 26:18; 218:11; 233:24; 246:20 34:16; 62:19; 65:9; 77:24; 78:14; 82:14; 104:19; 27:14; 30:12, 19, 23, 25; Lower [2] - 159:4; 195:10 78:17; 115:4; 120:14, 21; 148:8; 156:25; 180:15; 31:25; 32:12; 35:9; 37:11, lowered [1] - 109:10 122:14, 18; 123:8; 132:13; 222:25; 250:1; 265:22 14, 22-23; 38:2, 7; 39:3, lowlands [2] - 137:14, 23 134:22; 138:9, 12; 145:14; listed [2] - 72:23; 275:15 14, 18, 20, 25; 40:13, 20, lows [1] - 226:9 159:18; 160:19; 161:19; listen [2] - 33:13; 54:9 25; 41:3; 43:4; 45:1, 5; LRMP [3] - 91:2; 160:23, 25 162:1, 11; 163:20; 164:2, listening [2] - 48:21; 191:19 46:17, 25; 49:21; 52:18, lubricating [1] - 138:21 8; 166:1, 3, 9, 11; 167:2, 4; listing [4] - 74:8, 10, 13, 18 21; 54:4; 56:24; 57:12, 23; lucrative [2] - 16:16; 35:3 168:17, 23; 171:11, 23, 25; listings [1] - 74:24 69:9; 70:4, 24; 73:16; lumber [2] - 212:8, 12 172:2, 6, 10, 13, 24; 173:4, literally [2] - 125:25; 127:2 75:18; 78:20; 80:10; 81:3, lunch [1] - 128:12 10, 13, 15; 174:1, 5, 15, literature [6] - 31:20; 168:20; 19; 82:18; 92:7, 22; 93:18, luncheon [1] - 128:18 25; 182:25; 185:18; 175:11; 179:3; 180:5; 23; 94:1; 95:5, 14, 16; Lundgren [5] - 3:11; 4:7; 8:1; 189:24; 208:2; 248:17, 19; 258:9 104:1; 107:24; 109:16; 129:17; 283:15 265:13; 271:8; 274:2; LITTLE [3] - 60:12; 89:25; 110:10; 113:25; 114:18; lure [1] - 73:3 276:8, 14-15; 277:24; 282:25; 283:10 125:3 123:19; 126:6; 153:20; lush [2] - 133:19; 134:1 live [14] - 30:4; 42:2, 15; 155:17; 163:5; 166:7; Manager [2] - 2:6 46:20, 24; 48:14; 50:16; 167:1, 19; 174:16; 176:17, M manager [3] - 205:14; 209:23 58:21; 88:11; 98:7; 135:6, 19; 177:5; 179:17, 20; managing [4] - 162:25; 12; 147:9; 278:16 185:4; 193:9; 207:17; 168:8; 179:5; 269:9 m'mm [5] - 57:4; 59:12; lived [4] - 58:4; 134:6; 210:24; 212:3; 222:14; mandate [3] - 151:24; 148:14; 223:10 223:24; 224:21; 237:18; 60:18; 117:17; 191:1 206:13; 213:11 240:25; 241:17; 253:22; m'mm-hmm [5] - 57:4; lives [2] - 58:5; 135:9 mandated [1] - 24:7 266:1; 281:2 59:12; 60:18; 117:17; living [5] - 41:6; 47:4; manner [1] - 63:20 134:10; 154:17; 269:1 looked [20] - 30:7; 74:16; 191:1 manuals [1] - 217:14 78:3; 79:11; 87:14; 126:9; M-u-r-d-o-c-h [1] - 245:9 living-out [1] - 269:1 map [6] - 149:4; 170:2; 142:23; 154:9, 19, 24; Mackenzie [4] - 15:24; 99:4; Liz [1] - 189:9 174:15; 184:2; 218:24; 177:14; 183:2; 184:15, 18; 102:18; 279:19 LIZ [6] - 189:11; 190:5, 21; 266:20 187:23; 193:25; 197:16; 191:2, 15; 192:16 madam [1] - 201:10 mapped [2] - 167:18; 186:14 200:3; 201:22 Madam [16] - 8:5; 11:24; load [1] - 215:7 maps [1] - 184:16 looking [37] - 30:9; 51:3; 26:7; 42:22; 84:16; 93:13; March [7] - 49:24; 52:2, 25;

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170:21; 218:16; 268:21; 137:25; 197:4; 199:3; mention [8] - 57:12; 91:19; 207:6, 13, 22-24; 208:2, 269:9, 14-15; 279:5 261:20 98:6; 116:6; 160:3; 176:25; 6-7, 11; 213:18 market-ready [1] - 87:21 meaningfully [1] - 77:17 181:16; 195:4 Military [1] - 223:11 marketable [1] - 218:15 means [14] - 20:16; 23:22; mentioned [21] - 19:25; mill [15] - 203:6; 212:8, marketing [8] - 59:15; 62:16; 24:13; 31:5, 7, 14; 32:5; 24:15; 27:13; 30:2; 36:1; 12-13; 213:2; 214:3, 25; 64:25; 70:24; 74:20; 77:18; 35:10; 37:24; 40:3; 44:12; 57:10; 64:8; 86:2; 94:17; 215:4, 17-18; 222:14; 100:4; 102:2 207:19; 219:10; 222:7 98:1, 15; 105:25; 117:22; 224:7; 225:21 marketplace [3] - 68:23; meant [2] - 97:11; 239:1 118:16; 121:16; 175:10; million [8] - 70:18; 95:23; 69:4, 10 measure [7] - 12:8, 11; 13:6; 177:5; 198:21; 221:17; 140:1; 146:3; 158:15; markets [5] - 69:22; 72:23; 145:1; 167:17; 258:22; 229:7; 271:4 213:24; 214:24; 216:25 88:2; 94:12 261:4 Merci [1] - 63:15 millions [2] - 19:9; 220:6 marks [1] - 120:15 measured [2] - 20:16; 252:6 mercury [1] - 262:20 mills [1] - 223:8 Marmorek [1] - 256:14 measures [37] - 10:23; merit [1] - 136:16 mind [4] - 29:20; 39:25; MARMOREK [1] - 256:15 11:21; 12:15; 13:5; 77:21; message [1] - 47:10 42:17; 72:6 marrying [1] - 274:21 151:17; 193:23; 217:22; met [6] - 11:14; 54:17; Mine [1] - 195:7 Marts [1] - 113:8 232:3, 19; 233:9, 19; 141:12; 150:19; 238:15; mines [1] - 178:5 mass [1] - 210:20 234:8; 235:4; 236:1, 4, 9, 271:1 minimize [1] - 171:10 Master [1] - 232:9 14; 237:15; 249:8, 11; metadata [1] - 175:18 minimizing [1] - 138:16 master [1] - 276:5 254:11, 15, 18; 256:9; meteorological [1] - 206:17 minimum [2] - 208:23; 209:6 Master's [3] - 131:23; 258:2, 4-5; 261:3, 23; meteorologist [3] - 205:16, mining [1] - 173:8 231:23; 266:5 265:3, 22; 268:3; 269:16; 20; 214:10 Minister [9] - 29:13, 18; mat [1] - 80:1 279:9; 283:5, 21 meteorology [1] - 203:25 114:11; 132:8; 196:12; mechanism [12] - 22:20, 23; match [2] - 95:11; 161:16 methadone [1] - 31:13 197:11; 214:9; 217:18, 20 24:11; 84:10; 260:15, 22; material [3] - 149:5; 242:14; method [1] - 196:5 Minister's [1] - 190:23 268:9; 273:7; 274:20; 262:17 methodology [3] - 66:1; Ministries [2] - 175:12 275:16; 278:6; 282:24 materials [7] - 15:7, 21, 25; 67:25; 68:11 Ministry [34] - 3:17, 21; 4:1, mechanisms [3] - 261:15; 17:9; 19:2, 5; 142:10 methods [3] - 192:6; 239:16; 11; 6:6; 61:6, 13, 17, 25; 273:25; 274:13 mathematical [1] - 44:19 244:7 62:12, 19; 63:12; 64:10; medical [9] - 28:2, 8; 29:10, Matt [1] - 124:7 methylation [1] - 262:20 65:6; 83:22; 84:22; 91:13; 16; 32:14; 33:7; 41:11; matter [5] - 8:13, 15; 25:12; methylmercury [1] - 263:7 103:13; 114:11, 23; 42:7 86:15; 140:17 metre [2] - 8:16; 26:17 129:23; 132:8; 156:16; medivac [1] - 220:14 MATTER [1] - 1:1 metres [1] - 214:24 157:19; 159:21; 160:11; meet [11] - 15:17; 22:25; MATTISON [7] - 79:9, 22; metric [1] - 215:1 177:25; 178:3; 257:5; 116:15, 19; 151:14, 23; 80:5; 86:13; 102:14; Mexico [1] - 67:10 270:1; 271:2, 14; 275:22; 163:4; 173:11; 249:14; 183:25; 186:8 mic [3] - 14:18; 30:16; 140:8 276:13 277:7; 279:12 Mattison [2] - 2:3; 183:25 microclimate [4] - 134:13, ministry [2] - 64:11; 75:15 meeting [14] - 15:10; 42:3; maximize [1] - 254:20 16; 276:16; 283:17 Ministry's [2] - 130:3; 271:4 53:6; 158:9; 190:23; maximum [2] - 8:12; 26:15 microgram [2] - 8:16; 26:17 minor [2] - 171:23; 172:25 196:15, 21, 24; 199:1; MAYA [6] - 13:25; 14:2, 20, mid [1] - 224:11 minority [2] - 41:15; 150:13 205:13; 206:18; 209:18, 22; 26:4; 96:18 mid-morning [1] - 224:11 minted [1] - 64:22 22; 281:2 Maya [4] - 3:13; 13:23; 14:2; middle [1] - 213:5 minute [4] - 88:18; 202:7; meetings [4] - 190:14; 96:17 midterm [1] - 90:18 207:1, 11 191:10; 206:1 Mayor [1] - 213:13 might [34] - 36:13; 45:22; minutes [15] - 61:5; 148:23; meets [1] - 268:13 Mayors [2] - 32:25; 33:8 48:3; 67:10; 77:25; 82:19; 167:7; 205:12, 24; 206:1; member [4] - 29:4; 59:2; McCormack [3] - 4:17; 88:24; 93:1, 9; 103:19; 207:2, 7-8; 208:5; 219:16; 115:23; 131:18 229:21; 260:20 104:3; 107:14, 18; 119:9; 221:4, 11, 20; 229:12 members [20] - 14:24; 17:23; mcCormack [1] - 229:6 130:4; 151:3; 154:17; misidentified [1] - 142:8 18:2, 13-14; 24:17; 44:5; McCormick [21] - 4:15, 19, 161:3, 5, 9; 166:7; 167:2; miss [2] - 116:10; 254:11 62:4; 115:17, 21, 23; 22; 5:3; 229:17, 23, 25; 176:12; 184:24; 185:13; missed [1] - 227:25 121:7; 156:13; 158:12; 231:9, 15-16; 237:25; 186:24; 188:11; 190:18; missing [3] - 88:24; 93:4; 159:6; 229:23; 262:8; 110:8

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263:9 municipality [1] - 90:24 7, 13; 144:16; 145:24; 16, 18, 20; 271:21, 23; MR [110] - 9:1; 26:6, 13; MURDOCH [5] - 231:8; 151:14, 25; 152:3; 217:22; 272:6, 10, 23; 273:7, 18, 27:12, 17; 60:12; 62:3; 245:6; 246:3, 5, 9 232:3, 19, 22-23; 233:9, 24; 274:5, 7, 14, 18; 63:9; 79:9, 22; 80:5; 82:2; Murdoch [10] - 4:16; 5:1; 19-20; 234:6; 243:17; 276:20; 277:4, 25; 278:12 83:4, 18; 84:9; 86:13; 87:7; 229:19; 230:20; 231:6; 244:19; 249:8, 11, 20; month [1] - 46:18 88:14; 89:3, 11, 16, 19, 21, 232:5; 245:4, 7, 25 254:18; 256:9; 257:13; monthly [2] - 169:21; 277:7 25; 91:23; 92:13; 93:8; Murphy [1] - 2:7 258:2, 5; 261:3, 22; 265:3, months [3] - 28:1; 93:16; 95:17; 102:14; 103:9; museum [1] - 282:2 22; 268:3; 270:2, 24; 124:21 104:17, 24; 106:6, 9; museums [1] - 281:24 271:24; 273:3; 276:3, 21; moose [47] - 105:3, 5-6, 8, 107:11; 108:10, 22; Muskwa [2] - 91:3; 133:18 277:20; 278:12; 283:5, 21 11, 19, 22; 106:1; 110:2, 109:20, 24; 110:16; 111:8; must [9] - 18:21; 20:4; 25:1, mitigations [1] - 276:8 13, 19-20, 23-24; 111:3, 112:24; 113:2, 16, 20; 3; 41:5; 45:17; 64:5; mix [2] - 224:18; 225:5 9-10, 14-15, 18-19; 113:6, 114:20, 23; 115:10; 116:3, 195:14; 228:7 Mo [1] - 190:19 9, 11, 18; 116:6, 8; 117:2, 12; 117:17, 20; 118:8, 14; mutually [1] - 167:20 Moberly [10] - 191:4, 9; 7, 15; 119:18; 126:9, 13; 119:9, 20, 22, 25; 120:1, 4, 233:3, 25; 237:14; 248:23; 127:1, 10, 13; 157:22; 7; 122:2, 25; 123:7, 19; N 249:18; 253:12; 257:25 158:5, 19; 169:9; 184:10; 124:4; 125:1, 3; 129:21; mobile [2] - 44:14; 154:18 188:11, 15; 260:8 130:7, 13; 140:9; 153:18; mobility [1] - 154:22 Mormorek [2] - 4:8; 129:19 154:2; 155:6, 25; 156:2, Nagy [1] - 112:13 model [42] - 9:7; 26:15; morning [20] - 7:11; 9:1, 20; 24; 157:24; 159:5, 16; name [12] - 14:2; 61:7; 62:5; 143:9; 146:6, 12; 226:5; 13:25; 14:1; 27:22; 53:6; 160:8; 183:25; 186:8; 63:24; 84:1; 90:25; 130:14; 239:2, 16; 240:2, 6, 16, 61:11; 62:3; 79:13; 92:21; 199:16; 200:11, 20, 22; 159:7; 229:24; 238:5; 20-21, 23; 241:4, 18, 23; 104:16; 129:4; 156:10; 202:16; 210:12; 228:9, 15, 245:7; 285:14 242:4, 13, 19-20; 243:1; 199:20; 224:11; 229:7; 23; 229:5, 23; 231:7, 9, 11, named [1] - 99:5 248:13, 21; 249:1, 6, 17; 262:14; 278:25 16; 237:23, 25; 238:4; Nancy [4] - 2:15; 273:22; 255:8; 256:25; 257:14, 17, mortality [5] - 40:2; 122:12; 243:6; 248:5; 252:2; 285:3, 19 21, 24; 258:3, 13, 21; 243:14; 244:13; 258:15 256:15; 260:24; 261:12, narrative [3] - 195:18, 20; 259:1, 13; 268:9, 12; 272:7 Mossop [4] - 4:8; 5:4; 16; 262:8 197:9 modelled [2] - 240:18; 129:18; 252:1 MS [112] - 8:6; 9:19; 13:25; narrow [2] - 97:16; 275:17 259:18 MOSSOP [1] - 252:2 14:2, 20, 22; 26:4; 27:3, NASA [1] - 211:12 modelling [17] - 26:14, 21; most [29] - 27:1; 30:13; 14; 42:23; 43:21; 44:24; Nation [16] - 3:13; 11:9; 171:19; 204:24; 209:11; 33:24; 34:2, 12; 50:2; 55:4; 48:4; 57:4, 8; 58:1, 7; 59:7, 13:10, 21, 23; 14:4; 210:6; 233:12; 237:20; 58:16; 65:5; 74:1; 85:24; 12; 60:8, 18; 61:2; 63:15; 115:17; 121:7; 184:11; 238:8, 11, 20; 244:14; 92:3; 113:8; 128:22; 133:5, 64:3, 6; 79:19, 23; 80:7, 186:11; 193:3; 232:25; 256:16, 18, 23; 257:8; 7; 135:7; 137:19, 23; 23; 81:23; 82:11, 16; 253:5; 254:23; 256:24; 259:24 145:11; 155:15; 172:10; 83:15, 19, 24; 84:16, 18; 260:21 models [17] - 134:22; 238:9, 178:10; 182:1; 229:10; 85:1, 18; 86:12, 16; 87:16; National [1] - 133:9 13, 21, 23; 239:4, 12, 19, 230:18; 240:22; 255:11; 89:1, 5, 23; 93:14; 94:6; national [2] - 137:20; 157:23 23; 240:11, 19; 242:16; 284:17 95:12; 96:15, 18; 99:11; nationally [1] - 65:1 243:1; 249:8; 257:2 mostly [2] - 134:12; 218:5 103:22; 104:7, 12, 18; Nations [64] - 4:14, 18-19, 105:23; 106:7, 23; 107:23; moderate [2] - 172:25; 181:8 MOTI [1] - 276:8 21-22; 5:1, 3; 13:13; 14:7; 108:17; 109:3, 23; 110:10, moderated [1] - 64:5 motivators [2] - 72:25; 73:4 21:13; 25:4, 21; 37:24; 17; 112:10; 113:1, 11, 17, modify [1] - 177:15 motor [5] - 39:14; 40:4, 12; 97:18; 105:13; 116:7; 24; 114:22; 115:1; 119:7; MOE [1] - 132:10 42:23; 129:4 121:23; 123:1; 125:10; 129:2; 154:13; 156:6; moisture [6] - 206:11; Mountain [2] - 92:18; 282:4 130:18; 139:25; 148:12; 157:16; 159:2; 174:10, 22; 210:17; 214:14; 215:4, 8; mountain [7] - 65:13; 110:4; 165:11; 166:8, 20; 174:2; 175:9, 22, 24; 176:23; 224:8 222:17; 234:1; 251:1; 176:9; 186:14; 188:5, 20; 178:17; 179:17; 180:22; mold [1] - 41:20 252:13; 256:21 189:5, 10; 190:11, 17; 182:15; 183:1, 3, 17, 24; mom [1] - 51:15 Mountains [1] - 134:14 192:7; 229:4, 16, 22; 192:23; 195:24; 196:2; moment [2] - 110:22; 199:18 mountains [3] - 93:3; 230:1, 3; 231:14; 232:24; 197:24; 198:6, 14, 18, 20, moms [1] - 36:18 133:17; 225:2 233:7; 235:13; 236:8, 16; 25; 199:13; 201:6, 9, 24; money [22] - 35:7, 14, 18, 20, mouthful [1] - 172:3 237:2; 238:3; 243:5; 245:5;

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248:4; 251:12; 252:11; 268:14 non [10] - 10:20, 25; 11:3; notice [3] - 106:25; 148:23; 253:23; 257:15; 261:2, 19, negative [1] - 131:5 48:25; 49:2; 54:15, 22; 177:9 21; 264:2, 4; 265:20, 25; negatively [1] - 162:12 142:8; 269:6; 280:19 noticeably [1] - 80:18 284:22 neglected [1] - 93:21 non-identifiable [1] - 142:8 notion [2] - 47:14; 50:19 Nations' [5] - 123:15; 236:18; negligible [1] - 267:17 non-profit [8] - 10:20, 25; November [1] - 190:23 237:14; 251:2, 20 negotiate [1] - 90:17 11:3; 48:25; 49:2; 54:15; NPA [1] - 209:18 native [1] - 169:10 negotiated [1] - 188:3 269:6; 280:19 NPAS [1] - 209:18 Natural [21] - 3:17, 22; 4:1, negotiation [2] - 188:9; non-profits [1] - 54:22 number [58] - 9:23; 10:23; 11; 6:7; 61:13, 17, 25; 276:25 none [5] - 74:18-20; 88:22; 28:18; 38:10; 43:6; 50:22; 62:20; 63:13; 65:7; 68:20; negotiations [3] - 188:4, 19; 256:17 52:6; 55:9; 73:14, 16-17; 72:4; 84:23; 103:9; 159:22; 275:10 normal [4] - 43:7; 124:16; 74:7; 80:25; 81:4, 11, 16; 160:12; 177:25; 257:4; NEIL [5] - 202:16; 210:12; 226:3; 255:16 89:24; 92:15; 106:14; 281:5; 282:21 228:9, 15, 23 normalized [1] - 43:24 108:21; 109:13; 110:19; natural [10] - 65:10; 162:5, Neil [4] - 4:13; 199:14; normally [1] - 224:11 111:1; 112:15; 116:22; 24; 163:3, 23; 164:10; 200:25; 202:15 North [10] - 28:9; 49:2; 75:14; 126:5, 13, 15; 128:9; 166:4; 170:20; 178:4; Nelson [4] - 90:24; 91:1; 96:4; 125:5; 128:4; 131:18; 132:9, 17; 133:1; 141:23; 179:6 222:4; 264:23 212:8; 213:3; 282:2 147:24; 148:3; 152:12; nature [2] - 73:5; 103:7 nested [3] - 168:10, 12; north [33] - 11:1; 40:10, 13; 153:6; 154:4; 155:9, 21; NAV [1] - 214:1 169:3 41:7; 42:8, 24; 48:10; 193:4; 230:15; 232:16; navigability [1] - 236:2 nesting [1] - 169:1 72:17, 21, 23; 73:4, 11, 21, 234:18; 235:15; 239:9, 25; navigational [2] - 204:8; net [4] - 67:4; 81:14; 82:10 23; 75:9, 19; 86:15, 17, 22; 240:7; 252:20; 257:23; 235:12 network [2] - 87:3; 149:21 87:21; 88:10; 92:22; 94:23; 258:11, 18, 24; 266:13; Naylor [7] - 3:18, 22; 61:19; networks [2] - 78:24; 94:21 101:3, 23; 132:2; 133:17; 274:21; 276:10 62:1, 5; 64:8; 159:7 never [1] - 158:23 134:2; 146:24; 152:23; numbers [22] - 6:4; 9:3, 5-6, NAYLOR [9] - 62:3; 63:9; nevertheless [1] - 103:3 212:16; 224:21; 227:12 8, 12; 26:16, 25; 27:2; 159:5, 16; 160:8; 199:16; new [31] - 13:14; 18:4, 7, 20; north-eastern [1] - 48:10 40:17; 42:21; 51:9, 22; 200:11, 20, 22 22:25; 34:21; 41:18; 53:10; northeast [16] - 28:19, 21, 52:18; 53:2; 94:11; 105:25; near [10] - 162:20; 165:7; 54:5; 55:2, 13; 56:1; 88:1; 23-24; 30:5; 39:4, 16; 44:1; 109:16; 134:21; 154:24 170:9, 17, 19; 172:19; 106:12; 127:20; 138:25; 73:17; 132:11; 134:4; numerous [4] - 21:13; 23:9; 176:20; 185:22; 255:22 150:8; 154:18; 224:7; 159:21; 190:11; 204:18; 191:10; 261:7 near-surface [1] - 255:22 237:6; 245:24; 246:10, 12, 219:9; 279:21 nutrient [2] - 247:4, 17 near-term [7] - 162:20; 18-19; 247:14; 248:18; Northern [18] - 10:1, 3, 7, 9, nutrients [1] - 245:13 165:7; 170:9, 17; 172:19; 263:16; 269:5; 281:14 13; 28:4; 33:6; 45:2, 7, 10; 185:22 New [3] - 31:22; 69:3; 279:18 48:8; 90:23; 91:2, 4, 6; O nearly [1] - 217:12 newcomers [2] - 35:25; 133:9; 280:10, 12 neatly [1] - 175:4 48:20 northern [35] - 21:7; 22:4; o'clock [1] - 284:12 necessarily [6] - 82:5; newly [2] - 64:22; 279:17 24:24; 31:22; 37:14, 23; object [1] - 140:24 110:14; 139:23; 239:2; newly-established [1] - 38:1; 39:4; 40:15; 71:22; objective [16] - 135:14; 242:23; 266:14 279:17 72:5, 8, 13, 16; 73:15; 162:21, 23; 166:12; necessary [5] - 18:15; 24:19; newly-minted [1] - 64:22 80:21; 85:17; 93:20; 95:13, 169:20, 25; 170:4, 6; 32:7; 269:16; 275:2 15, 19, 21; 96:2, 13; 97:3, next [23] - 26:8; 29:8; 33:11; 171:1, 22; 172:17; 173:12; need [49] - 11:4; 20:8; 21:6; 24; 101:21; 133:23; 161:4; 49:2; 72:5; 127:14; 159:3, 183:9; 185:17 22:25; 24:23; 34:3, 10-11; 9; 160:5; 162:2; 167:5; 182:23, 25; 184:3, 6; objectives [25] - 23:19; 46:7, 15; 50:19; 57:17; 168:24; 169:12; 171:20; 232:10; 252:12 146:7; 167:15; 173:2, 13; 59:5; 62:25; 63:7; 70:24; 172:15; 173:19; 175:9; northwest [3] - 39:4; 161:22; 179:10-12; 180:14, 16; 76:17; 82:9; 102:2; 105:21; 176:24; 190:21; 238:7; 282:5 181:25; 182:2, 19, 21, 24; 108:14; 116:15; 117:7; 266:22; 281:2 Northwest [1] - 112:14 183:5; 186:5; 235:2; 119:7; 123:20, 24; 136:15, notably [2] - 19:6, 18 nice [4] - 37:6; 126:20; 238:15, 17; 249:15; 23; 139:5; 150:17; 151:25; note [29] - 9:23; 11:13; 18:3; 219:24; 227:11 276:14; 282:25; 283:6, 10 166:8; 171:12; 179:4; nicer [1] - 92:2 63:1; 66:21; 67:25; 78:6; obligations [1] - 278:17 191:23; 192:20; 203:3, 13; niche [3] - 85:15, 25; 281:20 89:7; 98:24; 101:1; 105:2; 210:3; 216:4; 219:10; 143:11; 145:18, 22; observers [1] - 142:1 Nicol [3] - 3:10; 7:25; 108:22 221:19; 222:8; 228:19; 161:12; 170:7; 172:5; obtain [1] - 23:3 NICOL [1] - 108:22 260:14; 262:3; 263:24; 206:9; 215:2; 235:23; obvious [1] - 142:7 Nielsen [3] - 2:15; 285:3, 19 267:16; 284:10 244:16; 249:3; 251:11; obviously [2] - 58:10; 95:19 night [5] - 212:14; 226:13; needed [6] - 22:24; 121:18; 262:25; 266:8; 273:12; occupations [1] - 134:23 255:23; 260:12; 278:20 123:12; 164:5; 175:5; 278:22; 281:7 occur [4] - 124:18; 168:13; nights [1] - 79:21 202:4 noted [9] - 21:20; 262:12; 243:9; 273:4 nine [1] - 203:7 needing [1] - 56:3 268:22; 269:24; 271:19; occurred [2] - 193:22; Nino [1] - 224:4 needs [15] - 15:11, 18; 25:2; 276:2, 18, 20; 281:16 258:15 NO [2] - 3:2; 6:2 54:12; 55:7; 97:21; 116:19; notes [3] - 17:10; 24:2; 99:21 occurring [1] - 169:6 nobody [1] - 207:21 117:11, 15; 136:20; nothing [3] - 102:24; 127:15; Oceans [2] - 250:8, 12 noise [4] - 264:11, 17, 20 150:19; 166:14; 267:20; 213:15 OCP [1] - 266:21

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OCR [1] - 2:15 77:14; 79:8; 85:7; 86:10, 20, 24-25; 267:8; 280:2; 102:12; 161:3; 175:6; October [4] - 11:15, 17; 28:1; 14; 87:9; 90:2, 5-6, 10; 282:1 208:15, 18; 213:10; 221:8; 273:10 91:2, 23; 92:2, 8; 94:18; opportunity [26] - 13:16; 267:24 odds [1] - 127:13 96:20, 22; 99:5, 22; 100:6; 27:24; 42:18; 44:13; 45:14; outstanding [1] - 117:21 OF [3] - 1:1; 3:1; 6:1 101:11, 21; 102:17; 61:12; 86:9; 88:7, 13; 90:3; outweigh [1] - 37:5 off-road [1] - 138:12 108:12; 109:25; 110:3, 24; 125:4, 12; 130:20; 135:24; overall [10] - 40:8; 82:10; offer [9] - 50:22; 51:5; 93:22; 111:2; 112:10; 117:12; 137:4; 147:4; 151:11; 83:4, 12; 144:25; 153:7; 203:12; 217:22; 220:16; 124:25; 125:6; 126:3; 158:8; 230:2; 236:4; 250:8; 170:5, 24; 172:24; 252:5 250:17; 251:16; 261:17 129:24; 130:5; 134:9; 251:14; 253:17; 265:2; overarching [1] - 233:17 offered [1] - 279:18 142:5; 150:6; 153:17; 280:25; 281:19 overcome [1] - 230:16 offers [4] - 59:9; 60:19; 155:6; 156:13, 25; 158:15; opposite [3] - 92:12; 149:6; overdose [1] - 40:24 80:21; 207:15 159:10; 161:20; 162:23; 227:22 overestimate [2] - 67:3; 68:9 OFFICE [1] - 1:8 168:5; 169:16, 18; 184:8, optimistic [3] - 249:17; overhanging [1] - 245:15 office [11] - 56:9; 121:17, 22; 11; 195:7; 203:14; 204:18; 268:11; 275:11 overlap [2] - 108:24; 279:7 178:7, 25; 195:16; 198:22; 207:1, 3, 22; 209:19; optimize [1] - 32:8 overlapping [4] - 6:6; 84:2, 203:20, 24; 214:5; 273:9 210:16; 214:10, 24-25; option [3] - 16:15; 25:13; 7, 22 officer [6] - 29:10, 16; 42:7; 215:17; 218:1, 5; 222:12; 281:1 overlay [1] - 219:2 223:1, 21; 227:13; 228:11; 203:24; 271:5, 11 options [3] - 167:2, 4; 266:3 overlook [1] - 150:12 239:7; 240:25; 252:22; officers [2] - 28:2; 41:11 orally [2] - 81:24; 229:11 overnight [1] - 75:20 256:25; 258:20; 268:4 offices [3] - 28:3; 33:2, 7 orange [1] - 226:6 overproduce [1] - 36:2 one-five [1] - 223:1 official [3] - 212:1; 266:19; oranges [1] - 75:17 oversee [1] - 271:21 one-one [1] - 227:13 267:2 order [10] - 29:11; 34:4; overseeing [3] - 204:15; ones [8] - 71:19; 78:2; 85:23; Official [2] - 285:3, 20 146:2; 172:4; 179:4, 21; 272:7; 274:7 139:4, 8; 142:6; 225:12; offs [2] - 135:2 234:18; 247:20; 266:14; oversight [4] - 273:3, 14; 226:5 offset [1] - 18:4 272:14 274:4; 275:19 ongoing [7] - 10:10; 21:25; offsetting [17] - 233:11; organization [10] - 12:16; overstating [1] - 100:16 254:17; 260:15; 270:9, 19; 234:3; 235:17, 21; 236:6, 23:13; 48:25; 49:2; 56:18; overstressed [1] - 151:1 275:11 17, 21-22; 237:6, 12; 66:3; 91:14; 206:17; overview [3] - 162:3; 169:13; online [1] - 140:22 247:21; 249:23; 250:24; 280:20 262:19 onset [1] - 280:7 251:4; 252:5, 15, 25 organizations [9] - 11:1; overweight [1] - 43:19 Ontario [1] - 133:23 often [12] - 67:9; 76:14, 17; 24:3; 54:15; 136:5, 7, 18; overwhelming [1] - 149:22 open [10] - 72:18; 97:4, 14, 80:1; 82:23; 85:13; 86:6; 155:13; 211:9, 11 own [10] - 18:25; 43:16; 50:9; 17; 142:3; 164:19; 176:16; 98:16; 142:8; 244:2; organized [1] - 28:2 64:15; 72:1; 91:11; 130:22; 214:20; 218:22; 284:16 255:20 orientation [1] - 164:2 214:9 opened [1] - 55:2 oil [9] - 28:22; 34:20; 84:4; original [1] - 282:5 owned [1] - 256:11 opening [4] - 8:3; 9:16, 18; 172:20; 173:6, 15; 195:6; originally [2] - 48:12; 120:18 owner [1] - 131:12 13:17 212:15; 217:15 OSB [3] - 213:2; 224:7; Oxford [1] - 140:22 Oil [2] - 173:4; 178:4 Opening [3] - 3:4, 12; 7:10 225:21 Okanagan [1] - 161:22 operate [6] - 49:15; 70:14; Oszik [1] - 144:11 82:9; 95:25; 160:4; 203:15 P old [14] - 31:25; 35:25; otherwise [2] - 226:14; 171:21, 23, 25; 172:1, 5, operating [4] - 126:1; 173:6, 228:13 10, 13, 24; 173:3, 10, 15 14; 176:10 Ottawa [2] - 203:19; 218:7 P-a-l-m-e-r [1] - 238:6 old-growth [12] - 171:21, 23, operation [2] - 145:20; ourselves [3] - 69:12; 84:15; p.m [2] - 128:19; 284:21 25; 172:1, 5, 10, 13, 24; 197:21 150:1 Pacific [1] - 70:4 173:3, 10, 15 operational [19] - 65:4; 78:7; out-migration [1] - 154:23 PAD [1] - 194:25 old-timers [1] - 35:25 159:18; 160:19; 161:18; outcome [2] - 138:19; 165:10 Paddle [1] - 139:22 163:4; 165:16; 166:5, 17; older [4] - 38:4; 76:15; 98:1; outcomes [3] - 22:1; 27:24; paediatric [2] - 50:23; 60:20 242:9 167:11; 173:20; 180:11; 164:17 paediatrician [3] - 53:20, 22; 205:20; 254:17; 267:17; oldest [2] - 175:15, 17 outdoor [6] - 65:12; 71:15; 60:23 282:23 omissions [1] - 204:24 72:15; 74:4, 17; 81:25 page [9] - 84:5; 194:4; 240:5, Operations [18] - 3:17, 22; once [10] - 41:25; 89:17; outfitter [2] - 85:7; 90:8 9; 244:23; 256:22; 257:7; 4:2, 12; 6:7; 61:14, 18; 152:4; 153:23; 206:10; outfitters [14] - 74:23; 81:24; 277:5; 278:1 229:11; 239:21; 242:5; 62:1, 20; 63:13; 65:7; 82:3, 18, 21; 83:16, 20; PAGE [2] - 3:2; 6:2 267:17; 271:15 84:23; 103:10; 159:22; 84:4, 9; 90:6, 9, 11; 91:10; Pages [1] - 1:17 160:12; 178:1; 257:4; one [122] - 8:7; 19:18; 24:13; 94:19 pages [3] - 213:23; 250:15 282:22 26:17; 28:18; 30:4, 19; Outfitters [1] - 86:3 paid [1] - 82:23 operations [2] - 243:11; 32:16; 33:2, 16; 34:7; outline [3] - 135:15; 247:7; paint [2] - 214:2; 219:1 252:22 36:16; 37:11, 25; 42:6; 267:19 PALMER [4] - 231:7, 11; operator [1] - 279:17 43:22; 45:2, 5, 25; 46:18; outlined [2] - 11:7; 252:18 237:23; 238:4 operators [1] - 67:17 49:1; 50:14, 17; 59:14, 22; outlook [1] - 148:5 Palmer [12] - 4:16, 20; opportunities [16] - 16:17; 64:14; 65:5, 9; 66:7, 21-22, outputs [1] - 242:1 229:18; 230:19; 231:5, 18:20; 78:8; 156:18; 157:5, 25; 68:16; 69:23; 70:21; outs [1] - 157:3 18-19; 232:17; 238:3, 5 21; 232:22; 253:3, 9, 15, 72:6; 73:14; 74:7; 75:12; outside [10] - 66:6; 95:2; panel [69] - 2:6; 4:19; 9:20;

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14:10; 22:16; 25:7; 27:22; 187:16; 248:24; 261:18 237:15; 245:20; 253:3; 263:6 28:17; 29:4; 41:5; 45:17; particularly [12] - 10:20; 261:8; 265:7, 10, 17; perfect [1] - 218:17 62:4, 7, 9-10; 63:5; 65:18; 15:4; 16:10; 29:15; 48:11; 273:11; 276:1; 282:2, 6 perform [1] - 241:19 87:9; 89:12; 93:6; 96:19, 50:22; 56:17; 85:24; 88:8; Peace-Moberly [1] - 233:3 performance [9] - 12:4, 6, 25; 98:5, 8, 15; 99:10, 14; 105:20; 186:12; 262:23 Peace-Williston [2] - 142:22; 11; 13:1; 44:20; 216:12; 101:5; 102:14; 115:10, 15; particulate [5] - 8:13; 144:23 258:4; 284:19, 22 125:23; 128:13; 130:19, 210:21; 212:18; 214:15 Pearson [2] - 205:17; 219:25 performed [1] - 271:24 23; 133:11; 138:4; 140:4; particulate" [1] - 206:12 pee [1] - 31:2 perfunctory [1] - 138:5 141:10; 142:25; 147:21; parties [1] - 9:24 peer [1] - 259:14 perhaps [7] - 96:25; 97:15; 151:21; 152:10; 156:13; partly [3] - 18:4; 48:18 peer-reviewed [1] - 259:14 124:2; 130:25; 135:1; 159:6, 25; 199:21, 25; partner [1] - 64:21 pellet [1] - 212:7 138:5; 147:19 200:6; 204:21; 229:24; partners [2] - 74:11; 137:13 pending [1] - 137:21 period [14] - 15:14; 18:20; 230:13; 231:3, 14; 234:2, partnership [5] - 45:13; penetrate [1] - 226:10 22:24; 23:8; 26:20; 48:7; 14, 17, 19, 22; 236:11; 62:15; 95:20; 102:4; 269:4 PENNY [6] - 48:4; 57:4; 58:7; 54:5; 60:4; 98:14; 196:12, 250:6, 18; 251:13; 262:8; partnerships [3] - 32:21; 59:12; 60:18; 61:2 19; 270:8 265:19; 284:3, 7 49:9 Penny [4] - 3:15; 47:20, 24; periods [2] - 9:6; 106:10 PANEL [3] - 1:1; 2:1 Partnerships [1] - 21:12 57:10 permission [2] - 108:13 Panel [13] - 3:5, 17, 22; 4:3, parts [2] - 85:19; 213:24 people [116] - 30:1, 21; 31:9; permit [2] - 118:19; 166:6 14; 7:15; 61:18; 62:1; 89:7; Pass [1] - 127:16 33:7, 12-13; 35:4, 6-7, 14, permitted [1] - 276:11 129:9; 229:16; 252:20; pass [1] - 31:2 21; 36:3, 5, 10, 13, 17; permitting [2] - 108:3; 274:9 278:15 passage [5] - 242:7; 256:20; 37:1, 25; 38:4, 14, 23; perplexed [1] - 273:4 panel's [5] - 62:14, 17; 258:2, 5, 17 39:8, 22; 41:6; 42:1, 14; persistent [1] - 23:10 135:18, 20; 251:17 passed [2] - 102:18; 109:6 43:18; 44:7, 12, 17; person [10] - 8:21; 63:16; parachuting [2] - 155:19 passenger [1] - 221:22 46:14-16, 20; 47:6; 48:15; 80:14; 86:7; 114:20; 147:7; paradox [1] - 31:16 passengers [2] - 219:15; 51:18; 55:17, 19; 58:8, 12, 157:24; 159:12; 272:13 parameter [8] - 208:21; 221:14 16, 18; 59:4, 10; 63:25; person's [1] - 141:5 239:15, 17, 21; 241:23; passion [1] - 282:7 66:18; 67:6, 10, 16; 70:9, personal [7] - 131:1; 134:18; 242:4; 249:1, 6 past [21] - 14:14; 20:4; 21:4; 19; 71:4; 73:10, 20; 77:15; 146:23; 148:4, 10; 157:6; parameters [5] - 146:14; 31:2; 32:3; 40:23; 44:5; 78:14; 79:12; 80:12; 84:13; 282:10 210:7; 223:21; 238:24 120:9; 121:2; 125:14; 88:10; 91:16, 23; 92:6; personally [3] - 88:6; 148:2; paraphrasing [1] - 120:11 126:3; 141:10; 148:9; 94:12; 95:8; 99:6, 23; 190:21 pardon [1] - 256:2 161:14; 162:16; 185:19; 100:11; 101:10, 13, 15, 19; persons [3] - 19:11; 66:5; parent [1] - 51:3 194:17; 205:13; 218:5; 102:25; 105:5; 107:4; 133:2 parenthood [2] - 36:6; 37:12 220:19; 253:16 109:18; 112:19, 25; perspective [18] - 10:11; parents [3] - 58:2, 5, 10 pastoral [1] - 134:17 114:24; 125:21; 126:12; 28:11; 77:2, 11, 21; 79:20; Park [1] - 282:6 path [1] - 223:16 127:6; 136:4; 139:22, 25; 80:9; 81:1, 6, 15; 94:25; park [2] - 147:19; 157:4 pathologist [1] - 59:23 140:11; 141:11; 147:25; 103:8; 140:14; 143:18; parking [1] - 79:11 patience [1] - 201:1 148:3, 10-12; 150:11; 182:5; 205:5; 215:2; 155:9, 16, 19; 157:3; parks [8] - 74:4; 86:15, 19, patients [3] - 38:18, 20 278:22 169:15; 187:3; 193:12; 23, 25; 87:1; 156:13 pattern [2] - 73:10; 221:5 perspectives [1] - 34:1 200:9; 209:22; 217:16; part [37] - 12:2, 5, 24; 28:2; patterns [2] - 220:21; 221:2 pertains [1] - 19:16 261:10; 264:11; 266:22 31:22; 33:1; 36:1; 57:15, paved [1] - 134:9 PETER [3] - 26:6; 95:17; peoples [1] - 263:14 22; 67:15, 18; 73:25; 76:1; pavement [1] - 227:23 229:5 79:10; 81:3; 82:22; 83:21; per [16] - 8:16; 26:17; 39:15; pay [5] - 35:8; 37:7; 46:17; Peter [4] - 2:10; 3:19; 61:21; 47:1; 58:9; 110:3, 23; 85:20; 87:2, 4; 93:20; 86:7; 267:22 62:14 100:21; 102:8; 172:7; 133:14; 207:1; 213:24; paying [2] - 69:25; 70:4 phase [3] - 36:1; 277:8; 174:16; 178:2; 182:1, 11; 220:20; 240:3; 257:16, 22; Peace [82] - 4:10; 11:1; 279:25 189:1, 12; 215:13; 236:5; 272:2; 283:20 14:16, 25; 19:23; 21:5; phenomenon [1] - 206:19 243:10; 260:22; 273:12; perceive [1] - 166:18 22:22; 23:11; 24:8; 25:11; philosophy [1] - 37:6 280:11; 281:16 perceived [5] - 117:6; 28:9; 49:3; 75:11, 14, 18; phone [2] - 122:9; 231:6 participant [1] - 195:11 138:15; 139:9, 19; 141:19 81:4; 87:11; 92:9; 107:2; phonetic [1] - 144:11 PARTICIPANTS [1] - 2:8 percent [24] - 30:3; 31:1; 122:10; 125:5, 21; 126:12, photo [1] - 232:5 participants [3] - 140:15; 39:20; 68:3, 6, 25; 75:10, 14; 127:4; 128:2, 4; photographs [1] - 198:8 259:13; 260:19 18, 21, 23; 76:9; 110:12; 130:11; 131:2, 7, 19; photography [1] - 91:17 participate [3] - 115:22; 111:14; 119:14; 169:21; 132:2, 14-15; 133:2, 4, 12, physical [6] - 19:20, 23; 171:24; 172:1; 183:8; 266:1; 279:14 14; 134:1, 6, 15; 135:8, 23; 20:3, 9; 131:22; 149:24 participated [1] - 139:22 209:15; 214:23; 237:5; 136:8; 137:8, 14, 23; physician [6] - 10:5; 28:6; 238:18 participation [6] - 25:17; 139:14, 18, 22; 142:22; 30:7; 31:11; 38:16 230:17; 251:20; 261:2, 21; percentage [6] - 39:6; 58:15; 144:23; 145:6, 8, 15, 18, physicians [5] - 29:23; 69:6; 108:18; 215:23; 279:10 22; 147:9; 150:9, 21; 38:11, 14, 17 particular [12] - 15:6; 45:11; 258:22 152:23; 184:3; 193:21; physiotherapist [1] - 58:25 84:10; 95:16; 104:10; perception [5] - 136:25; 194:16; 198:1; 204:19; pick [3] - 87:24; 180:12; 105:2, 11; 106:20; 157:13; 222:5; 233:3; 234:1; 137:17; 138:8; 151:5;

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219:21 planting [1] - 256:10 110:20; 112:18; 117:2, 16; pre [13] - 20:14; 97:8; 193:7; picked [2] - 33:9 plants [3] - 223:14; 246:12; 119:16; 120:20; 121:10; 196:9; 197:1; 199:4; picture [7] - 43:25; 71:13, 25; 247:3 122:5, 10, 16; 124:16, 19; 205:13; 206:1; 238:18; 78:25; 225:7; 226:2; play [8] - 23:17; 24:7; 46:6; 125:10; 128:7; 154:23; 258:22; 260:4 227:17 71:1; 182:4; 280:5; 281:25 237:20; 238:8, 13-14; pre-Bennett [1] - 196:9 pictures [4] - 89:15; 121:12; played [1] - 278:23 239:22; 240:13, 20; 242:1; pre-consultation [2] - 205:3 players [1] - 32:20 244:14; 249:14; 256:16; 205:13; 206:1 pie [2] - 67:19; 69:22 plays [1] - 30:5 258:7, 23; 259:1; 263:19; pre-European [1] - 97:8 piece [1] - 73:6 pleased [3] - 100:19; 230:2; 266:17, 25; 267:5, 14, 22 pre-industrial [6] - 20:14; pieces [2] - 179:15; 182:10 251:13 population-level [1] - 238:14 193:7; 196:9; 197:1; 199:4 pike [1] - 252:13 plough [1] - 219:1 populations [12] - 107:9, 13; pre-project [3] - 238:18; piles [1] - 225:2 plume [5] - 217:4, 9; 225:24; 108:1; 117:7; 125:9, 24; 258:22; 260:4 pilot [5] - 177:19; 203:22; 227:13 128:9; 143:21; 169:11; precisely [1] - 80:22 205:14; 207:6; 222:16 plumes [1] - 217:3 233:25; 257:11 preclude [1] - 195:18 pilot's [1] - 225:11 plunge [1] - 36:14 portrays [1] - 160:21 predators [2] - 126:22, 24 pilots [4] - 211:21; 214:12; plus [2] - 125:16; 188:16 pose [2] - 30:1; 42:6 predict [2] - 240:12; 260:14 220:11; 225:13 PM10 [1] - 9:4 posed [1] - 103:11 predicted [4] - 8:12; 198:12; Pine [3] - 127:16; 253:13 PM2.5 [2] - 26:14, 20 position [5] - 105:17; 117:23; 247:11; 255:6 pipeline [2] - 170:23; 172:22 PMT [1] - 233:5 148:21; 261:17; 271:22 predicting [1] - 240:23 pipelines [4] - 34:23; 185:5; point [42] - 15:3; 19:15; positioned [1] - 21:2 prediction [1] - 259:9 220:24 28:13; 29:21; 35:10; 37:10; positions [2] - 132:10; predictions [3] - 238:10; pity [1] - 174:11 43:17; 54:7; 65:25; 66:14; 155:12 241:5; 257:12 pivotal [1] - 71:2 67:5; 78:18; 82:16; 85:1; positive [2] - 146:12; 218:20 preface [1] - 166:17 place [26] - 43:13; 47:3; 90:5, 21; 94:22; 102:7, 10; positively [1] - 162:12 preference [1] - 105:8 69:13; 73:2; 85:4; 88:11; 111:24; 114:3; 115:8; possibility [2] - 243:12; preliminary [3] - 11:14; 92:18; 98:7; 107:1; 134:25; 116:4; 129:25; 146:19; 249:11 283:24 135:1, 5, 10; 153:23; 151:19, 21; 168:5; 180:22; possible [4] - 101:8; 111:22; premature [1] - 60:6 155:15; 166:15; 218:17; 185:10; 210:8; 218:1, 3; 112:22; 200:12 prenatal [1] - 38:9 223:13; 224:1; 270:4; 222:2; 223:19; 239:19; possibly [4] - 44:2; 144:15; preparation [3] - 193:18; 272:17; 273:7; 282:8; 240:15; 241:3; 242:15; 166:14; 217:16 194:2; 269:10 285:8 255:10; 273:15 post [3] - 260:3; 273:18, 24 prepare [8] - 32:22; 33:15; placed [1] - 204:22 pointed [1] - 101:15 post-certification [2] - 41:13, 22; 177:7, 21; places [5] - 30:4; 66:6; points [13] - 14:9; 66:9; 273:18, 24 280:7, 22 93:22; 148:8; 157:3 88:20; 90:1, 7; 104:19; post-project [1] - 260:3 prepared [4] - 93:8; 104:12; plan [49] - 10:4; 12:5, 8; 125:4; 196:6; 233:16; potential [36] - 16:20; 20:6; 148:21; 193:11 29:19; 32:22; 33:15; 41:12; 234:24; 239:1, 7; 243:21 40:10; 75:6; 77:8; 78:2; preparing [1] - 144:19 46:4; 47:11; 64:14, 16; Poland [1] - 211:13 87:11, 15; 92:24; 93:4; preschool [1] - 51:5 112:5; 135:24; 136:19; polar [1] - 223:5 147:10; 151:7, 17; 154:9; prescribe [1] - 254:7 166:9; 181:13; 182:25; police [2] - 41:1; 271:15 156:11; 173:9; 194:9; prescriptive [1] - 25:19 212:1; 221:25; 234:3, 15, policies [5] - 10:16; 29:23; 233:20; 234:5; 237:12; presence [1] - 138:1 239:20, 24; 244:18; 17, 23; 235:1, 3, 6-7, 32:12; 41:12; 280:10 present [16] - 11:12; 27:23; 10-11, 17; 236:6, 21-22; policing [3] - 271:3; 275:20 250:25; 254:6; 264:21; 42:18; 45:22; 148:9; 160:1, 247:21; 250:24; 251:4; policy [11] - 23:14, 18; 38:12; 265:15, 20, 22; 268:21; 18; 162:16; 181:9; 185:19; 252:15, 19; 263:11; 162:21; 167:15; 178:25; 271:18; 272:7; 273:1; 201:3; 230:3; 251:14; 266:19; 267:2; 270:2, 11; 180:16; 282:25; 283:6, 9 280:23; 283:14 266:9; 281:5 potentially [3] - 124:13; 274:2; 276:3, 5, 16; 280:6, policy-maker [1] - 178:25 Presentation [13] - 3:13-15; 22 policy-taker [1] - 178:25 166:11; 185:13 4:1, 9, 11, 13, 17, 20; 5:1; plane [1] - 227:18 political [2] - 35:10 pounds [2] - 221:21 13:23; 47:24; 229:21 planes [1] - 228:1 poll [1] - 56:10 poverty [5] - 28:25; 30:2, 22; presentation [47] - 4:22; 5:2; planned [2] - 104:16; 268:23 pollution [4] - 206:12; 35:23; 36:15 14:5; 27:21; 47:22; 57:9; planning [24] - 6:9; 21:7, 22, 210:18, 21; 226:25 Powder [5] - 99:4, 6-7; 102:7 62:22; 63:12; 86:14; 92:20; 25; 24:24; 37:3; 93:19, 25; Pomeroy [2] - 1:23 POWER [1] - 1:4 104:5; 130:11, 20; 142:10; 114:19; 115:5; 133:4; pond [1] - 127:7 power [2] - 204:8; 276:6 159:3, 10; 160:4, 11; 137:14; 143:13; 149:18; Ponderosa [1] - 133:25 PowerPoint [5] - 160:4; 180:25; 202:15; 229:3; 174:25; 177:12; 181:1, 24; pool [1] - 46:4 230:8, 10, 12, 23 230:3, 9-10, 18, 23; 233:7, 234:25; 235:21; 269:21; pooled [1] - 68:14 powers [2] - 271:24; 275:2 10; 238:3; 243:4; 245:4; 271:12; 275:23; 278:24 poor [2] - 30:13; 217:6 practice [3] - 28:9; 32:16; 248:3; 250:5, 7; 251:12; plans [15] - 10:15; 25:23; populating [1] - 233:12 147:8 262:21; 264:23; 265:6, 9, 42:13; 68:17; 134:22; population [54] - 16:23; 17:2; practices [2] - 173:14; 19; 268:18; 269:23; 141:7; 181:2, 22; 182:8; 37:22; 40:8; 43:23; 45:12; 248:19 270:13; 278:20, 25; 234:7, 19; 265:13; 276:9; 98:1, 10, 13, 20, 22-23; practising [1] - 28:6 280:16; 284:15 277:24; 280:9 105:19, 24; 106:4; 109:9; pragmatic [1] - 170:13 presentations [8] - 9:23; plant [1] - 212:7 Prairie [2] - 204:2; 210:14 81:23; 101:11; 104:21;

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109:4; 114:5; 206:5; 60:24; 72:20; 101:25; 16, 24; 145:1, 4; 146:7, 15; 179:21; 194:15, 18; 195:4, 266:12 117:19; 120:25; 208:14; 181:24; 243:24; 244:4; 6, 9; 198:9; 199:8; 201:22; presented [11] - 26:16; 27:2, 224:18 249:20; 254:7; 260:2; 203:5; 204:15; 232:3; 25; 125:8; 249:13; 253:7; problems [11] - 16:14; 31:14; 263:9, 15; 270:16, 18; 273:14 266:5, 15-16; 270:25; 36:16; 43:12, 20; 45:16; 272:6, 10, 23; 274:4; 277:4 prolong [1] - 192:10 282:22 60:2, 7; 105:12; 114:7; programs [23] - 45:7, 11, 15; prolonged [1] - 133:22 presenter [2] - 26:8; 32:22 166:11 65:12; 71:6; 94:17, 20; promise [2] - 69:20; 134:3 presenter's [1] - 142:9 procedurally [1] - 199:19 95:24; 142:20; 145:2, 19, promises [1] - 284:9 preserved [1] - 114:6 procedures [1] - 173:6 25; 146:10; 148:12; promote [8] - 35:12; 68:19; president [2] - 132:18; proceed [2] - 252:18; 282:11 151:14, 25; 152:3, 8; 70:22; 74:12; 85:16; 133:3; 231:19 proceeding [1] - 202:25 236:23; 248:17; 249:22; 141:14; 245:20 press [1] - 213:4 proceedings [10] - 7:8; 277:21 promoted [1] - 103:20 pressing [1] - 104:1 128:17, 19; 133:11; progress [1] - 277:9 promoting [2] - 93:20; 97:13 pressure [4] - 38:24; 53:18; 141:20; 144:24; 251:16; progressive [1] - 12:12 promotion [5] - 65:22; 70:23; 170:19; 269:9 284:21; 285:7, 10 prohibited [1] - 141:20 85:2; 97:3; 102:2 pressures [4] - 54:3; 168:17; PROCEEDINGS [2] - 1:11; PROJECT [2] - 1:2 promotional [2] - 77:19; 95:5 280:18 3:1 Project [1] - 49:18 promotions [1] - 86:5 prestigious [1] - 211:8 process [25] - 25:18; 135:17; project [129] - 14:14; 15:1, prompted [1] - 27:4 pretty [8] - 9:3; 42:21; 45:21; 138:19; 143:13; 165:2; 13; 16:21, 25; 17:3, 16; promptly [2] - 18:12; 24:16 72:7; 122:3; 126:22; 213:8; 166:21; 173:5, 14; 179:7; 19:10; 20:13, 25; 21:3; proof [1] - 141:9 224:17 180:7; 188:18; 189:14; 23:2, 6-7; 24:22; 25:10, propane [1] - 212:12 prevailing [3] - 218:6; 224:22 190:6, 15; 191:3, 7; 23-24; 26:22; 29:1, 8; propellers [1] - 216:3 prevails [2] - 206:23; 218:9 196:10; 252:16; 260:19; 34:16; 37:20; 42:16; 45:25; proper [4] - 27:10, 15; 52:20; prevent [2] - 141:16; 147:13 262:19; 267:13; 272:19; 49:14, 18; 55:10; 56:17; 168:2 prevents [1] - 255:12 274:2; 282:20, 24 76:22; 78:7; 83:10; 88:22; properly [4] - 39:2; 203:13; previous [9] - 32:22; 47:12; processes [6] - 21:25; 108:24; 114:14; 118:17; 206:15; 228:19 119:4, 25; 132:11; 133:5, 80:16; 92:16; 193:12; 140:20; 163:6; 164:23; property [2] - 47:1; 136:24 7; 134:4; 138:22; 141:14; 195:21; 197:10; 202:24; 168:14; 169:23 Prophecy [1] - 284:23 142:10; 143:25; 144:5, 17, 215:21 processing [2] - 212:11; proponent [28] - 23:6; 21; 150:17; 153:2, 5; previously [4] - 199:20; 214:7 115:14; 118:25; 119:3; 255:9; 259:19; 268:22 procured [1] - 19:8 154:24; 156:12, 18; 121:15; 136:4; 138:1, 18; 157:11, 13; 159:24; price [3] - 35:4, 8; 279:2 produce [1] - 34:25 140:12, 19; 142:17; 161:23; 162:6, 9; 163:11, prices [3] - 36:2, 13, 20 produced [1] - 141:21 144:18; 146:14; 147:11; 16, 25; 164:14; 176:8; primarily [5] - 96:1; 132:24; producing [1] - 215:19 149:12; 151:8; 152:3, 5, 158:16; 173:2; 256:2 product [11] - 81:20; 87:18, 177:15; 180:19; 182:3; 14; 153:9; 163:18; 165:8; 185:7; 186:4; 188:6; primary [7] - 55:5; 64:24; 21; 95:9; 99:25; 100:4, 10; 177:2, 11; 193:6; 195:19; 191:11; 193:5; 195:7; 142:7; 144:2; 170:18; 102:11; 103:23; 211:17 268:10; 274:4 197:5; 199:5, 11; 202:18; 256:3; 279:4 production [2] - 212:12; Proponent's [4] - 140:16; 205:15; 206:5, 8; 217:1; Prince [12] - 15:23; 17:19, 256:4 151:13; 152:1; 234:19 222:11; 224:7; 234:5, 9, 24; 33:4; 48:12; 72:7; productive [1] - 135:8 proponents [10] - 25:2; 21; 235:8, 19, 22; 237:10; 222:6, 22, 25; 223:5; 279:4 productivity [17] - 143:22; 164:24; 165:3; 176:18; 238:18; 241:16; 244:18, principal [1] - 132:21 144:3; 233:11, 24; 234:3; 177:6, 21; 178:20; 179:14; 22; 245:2; 252:17; 258:22; principally [2] - 61:14; 62:10 235:17, 21; 236:6, 17; 180:1; 283:4 260:3; 261:4; 263:4; priorities [6] - 23:18, 23; 247:21; 248:25; 249:5, 23, proportion [1] - 111:13 265:14, 16, 18; 267:15, 17, 236:19; 237:3; 251:2; 25; 251:1; 252:4, 6 proportionately [3] - 68:7; 23; 268:10; 270:22; 271:6, 253:24 products [12] - 67:12; 71:8, 70:6; 75:5 9, 18; 277:9, 18; 279:4, 7, prioritise [1] - 144:10 17; 73:12, 14, 17-19; 74:3; proposal [9] - 11:8; 112:21; 10, 22, 25; 280:3, 8; prioritization [1] - 56:5 77:12; 87:24; 100:25 146:22; 148:5; 157:8; 282:11, 19; 283:2; 284:10 prioritizing [1] - 236:25 professional [4] - 132:16; 268:1, 4; 277:5; 278:1 project's [2] - 162:4; 277:8 priority [14] - 122:11; 181:16, 231:21; 232:7 proposals [4] - 105:3; 143:1; project-level [1] - 163:25 20; 182:16-18; 185:14; professionals [6] - 46:10, 151:18; 184:2 projected [7] - 15:14; 16:17, 186:6; 187:14; 188:11, 24; 23; 52:16; 147:3; 220:9, 17 propose [4] - 233:19; 22, 24; 23:8; 138:7 232:25; 253:17; 277:4 profile [4] - 37:22; 71:7; 76:6, 252:23; 276:15; 283:21 projections [2] - 249:13; prisoners [1] - 47:14 13 proposed [29] - 10:22; 14:14; 267:1 private [3] - 55:2; 108:14; profiles [1] - 101:2 19:10; 20:7, 25; 21:3; projects [42] - 14:15; 16:18, 263:25 profit [8] - 10:20, 25; 11:3; 24:22; 57:18; 77:21; 22; 17:7, 22; 18:20; 20:3; privilege [3] - 48:5; 217:21 48:25; 49:2; 54:15; 269:6; 102:16; 143:4; 145:18; 21:5; 23:9; 25:2; 37:19; prizes [2] - 30:13; 39:19 280:19 151:17; 232:22; 234:5; 41:18; 46:1; 55:17; 98:11; proactive [3] - 164:16, 25; profits [1] - 54:22 235:7, 16; 244:19; 247:24; 137:12, 22; 144:11, 23; program [39] - 12:7, 12-14, 249:23; 253:7; 255:4; 177:18 145:6, 12; 146:1; 150:20; 25; 13:4, 7; 52:3; 59:24; 263:8; 264:5; 268:9; 269:5, probable [1] - 206:4 152:4; 158:17; 159:20; 82:18, 20; 95:21; 96:4, 8; 14; 276:3; 281:23 problem [10] - 43:16; 59:21; 161:20; 163:12; 165:3; 123:22; 143:12, 24; 144:9, PROPOSED [1] - 1:3

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proposition [1] - 117:19 63:20; 64:12; 77:1; 94:25; query [2] - 74:13; 193:1 53:23 prospect [1] - 148:17 95:1; 115:16, 22; 124:6; questionable [1] - 221:19 rates [5] - 16:3; 36:15; 38:8; prospering [1] - 22:6 136:13; 157:10; 175:13; questioned [1] - 257:15 40:3; 44:20 Prosperity [1] - 195:6 265:24; 271:20; 277:22; questioning [1] - 176:24 rather [7] - 41:20; 47:22; protected [3] - 24:9; 217:14 278:23 questions [49] - 11:19; 26:2; 57:5; 67:11; 143:6; 170:13; protection [2] - 181:3, 11 provincially [6] - 76:4; 78:23; 28:17; 44:21; 62:8, 24; 203:14 protective [4] - 134:17; 87:16; 176:14; 192:2 63:2, 17-18; 65:24; 79:3; ratio [1] - 40:3 245:16; 247:5, 16 provincially-collected [1] - 86:19; 87:5, 8; 99:11, 20; RCMP [3] - 40:25; 271:1 protocol [1] - 244:10 176:14 104:1, 7-8, 13; 105:20; RCR [3] - 2:15; 285:3, 19 protocols [1] - 119:11 provision [1] - 269:11 108:1; 118:8, 15; 123:21; re [2] - 198:9; 218:22 prove [2] - 126:17; 283:3 provisions [1] - 20:9 125:6; 153:15; 156:8; re-create [1] - 198:9 proven [1] - 254:18 proximity [1] - 98:25 174:8, 13; 181:10; 184:1; re-open [1] - 218:22 Proverbs [4] - 3:8; 4:5; 7:20; public [22] - 23:13; 28:7, 10, 189:8; 195:2; 196:18; Reach [1] - 134:15 129:13 13; 29:14, 21-22; 30:6; 214:10; 220:16; 223:18; reach [3] - 225:1; 276:25; provide [45] - 6:5; 10:4; 11:2, 42:6; 44:9; 66:11; 81:8; 231:1; 243:25; 251:10, 21; 278:13 5; 13:15; 20:18; 22:15, 23; 101:18; 130:25; 137:2; 262:1; 281:6 reaching [3] - 176:9; 190:6; 25:3; 45:13; 50:3; 60:12; 140:5; 151:6, 24; 153:11; quick [8] - 29:3; 37:3; 56:10; 192:7 84:17, 21; 89:8; 103:11; 176:17, 19; 194:2 66:9; 118:14; 165:14; react [1] - 140:11 129:6; 140:3; 144:5; 152:8; publically [1] - 164:20 169:13; 237:19 reaction [2] - 140:18; 264:11 155:3; 178:21; 183:15; publicly [1] - 176:22 quickly [6] - 37:14; 65:22; reactive [1] - 164:16 184:22; 198:11; 199:23; published [1] - 186:20 94:11; 150:1; 186:18; read [6] - 80:12; 198:10; 200:1; 234:22; 235:15; publishes [1] - 23:21 275:20 204:23; 210:9, 12; 216:17 237:18; 241:4; 242:3; pudding [1] - 141:9 quite [19] - 44:2; 49:12; 67:9; reading [2] - 180:5; 204:22 243:20, 23; 244:25; pull [3] - 14:18; 157:3; 239:2 95:4; 106:20; 110:2; ready [6] - 87:21; 136:4; 247:10, 16; 248:18; pull-outs [1] - 157:3 111:24; 114:12; 116:17; 142:11; 144:19; 151:11; 256:12; 264:12; 268:2, 23; pulp [4] - 212:13; 213:2; 120:3; 122:12; 124:8, 17; 265:5 271:7; 272:3; 282:1 215:18; 222:14 127:10; 156:24; 178:11; real [9] - 35:20; 54:20; Provide [4] - 6:8, 11; 115:3; purple [2] - 70:5; 227:5 243:17, 19; 284:18 122:20; 146:22; 150:14; 183:19 purpose [4] - 23:8; 149:18; quotation [1] - 120:15 205:15, 19; 241:13; 242:6 provided [24] - 11:2; 45:9; 233:18; 284:10 quote [1] - 267:5 real-world [1] - 242:6 54:12; 55:8; 64:17; 69:22; purposes [3] - 19:18; 66:8; realistic [1] - 241:11 89:19; 95:23; 134:4; 137:11 R reality [1] - 79:25 141:13; 142:5; 154:15; pursue [1] - 16:15 realize [2] - 42:5; 55:20 165:5; 235:25; 239:12; pushed [1] - 222:18 realized [2] - 156:19; 227:19 R-i-c-k [1] - 238:6 250:3; 256:9; 257:11; put [18] - 38:24; 53:18; 63:17; really [52] - 30:9; 32:3, 6; radar [3] - 87:18; 204:9; 259:5; 262:19, 21; 265:21; 78:11; 79:3; 80:8; 87:25; 218:18 33:14, 16, 23-24; 35:9; 276:2; 280:16 94:23; 148:21; 209:14; 41:6; 42:11; 48:9, 17, 20, rain [1] - 220:15 providers [3] - 11:7; 34:11; 211:15; 213:5, 25; 216:16; 22; 49:25; 51:2; 54:12, 14, rainbow [2] - 252:11; 255:17 46:13 222:14, 17; 223:15; 241:17 19-20; 55:2, 11; 57:20; Rainbow [1] - 222:4 provides [13] - 23:22; 162:3; putting [4] - 57:15; 79:14; 65:17; 68:18; 70:7, 22, 24; raise [3] - 14:10; 49:12; 94:8 164:7; 168:24; 245:13, 15, 188:1; 212:17 71:2; 76:22; 78:18; 79:24; raised [20] - 11:24; 17:4; 18; 255:18, 24; 268:5; puzzled [1] - 274:6 85:8; 87:18; 93:4; 100:9; 19:21; 58:17; 62:8; 105:4; 274:17; 276:14; 282:24 PVA [1] - 139:25 105:1; 112:7; 120:12; 121:8, 20; 135:9; 140:1; providing [8] - 10:24; 71:24; 122:13; 124:22; 128:8; 205:23; 235:24; 252:3; 127:25; 128:1; 235:6; 155:15, 20; 158:1; 167:24; Q 254:10, 23; 256:24; 269:6; 271:13; 281:21 184:4; 199:10; 203:3; 263:21; 266:10; 275:17; province [4] - 35:15; 93:17; 210:20; 238:9; 280:16 Q2 [1] - 256:17 280:14 95:15; 122:22 Realtime [2] - 285:4, 20 Q3 [7] - 239:4; 240:5, 8; rallying [1] - 114:7 Province [35] - 24:5; 62:6; REALTIME [1] - 2:13 257:2, 9, 17; 259:9 ramp [2] - 219:4; 221:12 65:16; 66:24; 67:8; 73:8; reared [1] - 199:21 qualified [2] - 52:15; 133:8 rampant [1] - 179:3 76:2; 80:24; 94:13; 95:19, reason [6] - 10:22; 59:7; ran [1] - 201:1 25; 99:5; 102:3; 115:18; qualitative [1] - 170:14 80:10; 227:17; 246:25; RANDAL [7] - 87:7; 88:14; 122:17; 124:11; 132:17; quality [16] - 6:3; 8:5, 10, 21; 283:20 9:12; 70:15; 135:4; 167:22; 89:3, 11, 16, 19, 21 158:18; 159:8; 160:1; reasonable [4] - 16:13; 23:1; range [5] - 184:13; 249:15; 161:21; 181:23; 192:6; 185:12; 227:1; 235:16; 89:4; 141:17 247:11; 270:18; 276:13 254:5; 255:16; 259:15 195:16; 198:23; 199:22; reasonably [9] - 14:15; ranges [4] - 182:22; 183:6, 200:5; 212:3, 23; 222:24; quantitative [1] - 170:11 17:22; 19:22; 20:2, 16; 10; 186:6 253:19; 254:16; 265:12; quantity [6] - 8:19; 19:1; 21:4; 154:17; 162:17; ranking [1] - 69:7 283:11 169:19; 171:18; 247:11 185:19 quantum [1] - 68:13 rapid [1] - 255:12 Province's [1] - 24:5 reasons [4] - 91:23; 207:23; rare [2] - 53:14; 60:6 provinces [1] - 59:5 quarter [1] - 207:14 246:21; 268:1 quarters [4] - 207:10; rate [8] - 28:25; 30:2, 25; Provinces [1] - 285:4 recapture [1] - 244:4 223:22; 225:9 37:18; 39:15; 40:17; 51:21; provincial [17] - 23:21; 25:8; received [3] - 53:10; 121:11;

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179:18 7; 257:16, 22-23; 258:19, 131:13; 132:10, 12; remains [1] - 248:9 receiving [2] - 39:6; 249:7 24 152:24; 178:14, 21; 180:7; remark [1] - 273:5 recent [9] - 10:10; 23:25; recycle [1] - 220:1 190:24; 191:21; 192:3; remarks [8] - 3:4, 12; 7:10; 54:25; 106:9; 109:19; red [6] - 39:5; 72:6; 167:22; 202:19; 220:23; 222:7; 9:16, 18, 20; 13:17; 262:13 133:7, 24; 154:20 216:15; 226:16; 229:1 279:2; 281:8; 282:25; remember [3] - 106:4; recently [6] - 13:8; 21:11; reduce [9] - 147:14; 165:9; 283:6, 9, 11 140:12; 207:5 49:14; 106:7; 172:21; 218:19; 244:8; 245:23; Regional [2] - 273:11; 276:1 remind [2] - 53:17; 127:6 219:12 246:10, 23; 247:2, 4 regions [12] - 37:23; 40:24; reminder [1] - 64:7 receptors [2] - 9:8; 264:20 reduced [1] - 237:10 71:22; 72:1, 10-11; 73:8; remote [2] - 22:18; 230:17 reclamation [1] - 275:25 reducing [1] - 206:19 77:10; 94:15; 95:18; 102:4 remotely [1] - 15:1 recognition [2] - 57:22; reduction [1] - 108:23 register [1] - 82:14 RENATA [1] - 183:3 149:7 refer [2] - 141:3; 217:13 registered [3] - 132:16; renowned [1] - 100:17 recognize [5] - 14:6; 28:16; reference [20] - 47:13; 83:25; 231:21; 232:6 rental [2] - 269:9, 14 105:15; 238:24; 277:3 88:18; 89:10, 23; 98:18, Registry [4] - 113:15; 193:4; repealed [1] - 272:18 recognized [3] - 28:14; 24; 144:12; 145:13; 230:14; 232:16 repeat [4] - 54:11; 139:5; 29:22; 97:9 151:15; 157:22; 185:10; regular [5] - 190:13; 243:10; 182:13; 198:19 recognizing [4] - 98:12; 199:7; 201:7, 11; 209:17; 245:23; 246:9; 277:12 repeatedly [3] - 17:4; 19:6; 117:3; 124:12; 196:25 210:13; 242:5, 14; 250:14 regulation [4] - 105:3; 20:20 recollection [1] - 118:4 referenced [2] - 71:9; 201:10 109:21; 111:9; 274:10 replaced [1] - 149:15 recommend [4] - 22:19; referrals [3] - 53:10; 54:6; regulations [5] - 41:12; replacement [2] - 77:24; 213:17, 19; 259:8 165:2 111:11, 22; 112:12; 237:7 276:6 recommendation [6] - 25:8, referred [4] - 53:11; 193:3; regulators [1] - 212:24 replica [1] - 282:4 10; 196:24; 197:6; 243:21; 252:15 regulatory [6] - 25:18; 32:13; report [19] - 8:11; 12:4; 13:1; 271:5 referring [3] - 27:9; 174:21; 132:19; 173:11; 273:3; 21:11, 16; 27:13; 75:11, recommendations [19] - 274:24 278:18 14, 16; 125:23; 133:8; 10:15; 22:16; 25:15; 56:14; refinery [1] - 212:12 rehab [1] - 60:20 143:11; 165:24; 186:23; 123:15; 166:1; 171:11; reflect [4] - 39:8; 201:20; rehabilitation [1] - 50:24 206:21; 236:12; 241:25; 233:17, 20; 236:12, 16; 202:1; 262:15 relate [2] - 48:3; 236:1 250:20; 264:16 241:9; 247:7; 250:2, 17; reflected [2] - 73:9; 194:19 related [10] - 81:5; 129:7; reported [2] - 206:20; 258:21 251:7; 253:6; 261:1, 17 reflection [1] - 262:6 134:12; 143:22; 154:1; Reporter [2] - 285:4, 20 recommended [8] - 121:18; reflections [1] - 262:6 183:5; 186:5; 262:23; REPORTER'S [1] - 285:1 123:10; 193:17; 216:15; reflective [1] - 79:15 266:9; 282:1 REPORTING [1] - 2:13 239:3; 272:6, 23 reflects [2] - 39:21; 43:11 relates [1] - 186:1 reporting [2] - 11:25; 144:17 recommends [2] - 18:11; reframe [1] - 187:19 relating [1] - 235:24 Reporting [1] - 2:14 24:16 regard [3] - 141:4; 142:16; relation [7] - 232:1; 233:16; reports [6] - 40:25; 202:19; reconciliation [1] - 178:6 212:22 236:17; 243:17; 245:1; 224:1; 273:13; 277:20, 25 reconfirm [2] - 9:3, 8 regarding [7] - 105:23; 275:17 represent [5] - 75:23; 91:1; reconstructed [1] - 103:18 113:11; 195:3; 239:14; Relations [1] - 13:4 130:24; 147:24; 277:15 reconvene [3] - 104:3; 256:19; 279:1; 283:14 relations [3] - 12:12; 178:6; representation [1] - 155:24 128:15; 202:12 regardless [3] - 25:9; 105:9; 191:16 Representative [1] - 2:19 reconvened [1] - 128:19 119:13 relationship [1] - 180:19 representative [2] - 21:10; record [7] - 38:8, 11; 40:23; regards [5] - 92:14; 115:13; relationships [9] - 12:9; 97:25 60:17; 192:18; 251:9; 118:9; 120:7; 123:7 13:13; 22:6, 13; 190:1, 16; representatives [6] - 10:3; 257:20 regime [2] - 127:21; 278:18 191:13; 240:24; 241:11 21:14; 25:21; 64:9; 257:3; recording [1] - 141:20 Region [1] - 75:14 Relationships [1] - 21:12 281:4 records [2] - 36:24; 223:24 region [53] - 14:16, 25; relative [6] - 170:4; 246:24; representing [2] - 125:5; recreate [1] - 197:3 15:16; 16:18; 17:7, 20; 247:17; 258:1, 21 211:8 recreation [11] - 65:12; 18:9; 19:3, 24; 21:1, 5; relatives [2] - 73:6; 101:20 represents [2] - 76:14; 66:11; 74:4; 81:8; 82:1; 22:22; 23:10; 24:8; 25:3, released [1] - 21:11 103:14 88:17; 90:13; 101:18; 12; 30:8; 31:10, 13; 33:8; relevance [2] - 68:22; 145:7 reps [1] - 28:18 137:5; 138:13; 149:14 35:18; 37:19; 58:3; 59:9; relevant [3] - 45:8; 197:23; reputation [4] - 93:17; 94:12; recreation-based [1] - 72:8, 13; 73:15; 80:20; 233:9 146:24; 222:22 138:13 95:13, 23; 101:4; 105:5, 9; reliability [1] - 202:21 request [16] - 23:6; 25:7; recreational [5] - 74:17; 122:13; 132:15; 137:24; reliable [2] - 208:4; 222:8 29:18; 159:25; 184:9; 98:17, 23; 281:13, 15 138:6; 139:16; 151:1; reliance [1] - 279:4 234:10, 18; 235:14; 236:8; recruit [2] - 38:14; 258:10 154:22; 156:22; 159:21; relied [2] - 187:3; 264:2 244:12; 252:20; 272:3; recruiting [1] - 46:22 160:2; 161:22; 177:4; relocation [2] - 254:11, 14 273:18, 24; 278:5 recruitment [14] - 18:4; 179:17, 20; 204:14; rely [3] - 84:12; 222:7 requested [12] - 117:24; 38:13; 52:15; 59:15; 239:9, 271:15; 281:17; 282:8 remain [3] - 208:12; 268:11; 190:24; 199:8, 22; 200:1; 21; 240:3, 16, 19, 21; regional [36] - 15:5; 19:10, 278:10 205:14; 234:17, 22; 264:9; 241:12; 242:11; 258:14; 20; 20:23; 21:7, 14, 23, 25; remaining [3] - 65:24; 269:18; 271:23; 280:21 259:17 22:19; 24:24; 73:14, 19; 143:20; 278:12 requesting [1] - 191:5 recruits [8] - 239:25; 240:3, 90:24; 101:2; 103:20;

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requests [2] - 196:8; 273:20 12, 14; 244:21; 267:3; 35:15; 65:2; 66:13; 75:8, 246:17, 22 require [5] - 115:19; 123:11; 271:1, 3, 15; 275:21, 24 23; 85:24; 94:8; 268:7, 17 river-based [2] - 81:5, 22 193:6; 208:1; 275:15 Resources [8] - 3:17, 22; reverse [1] - 203:3 river-use [1] - 81:7 required [16] - 19:1; 25:13; 4:2; 61:13, 17; 62:1; 63:13; REVIEW [3] - 1:1; 2:1 riverine [1] - 245:22 120:1; 136:17; 151:16, 22; 281:5 review [16] - 11:14; 138:4; rivers [1] - 108:8 163:7; 203:15; 217:25; respect [26] - 32:21; 42:10; 153:20; 167:1; 196:8, 12, Road [4] - 1:23; 130:3; 234:3; 239:18; 240:12; 85:1; 111:8; 114:16; 19; 232:18, 21; 233:18; 148:14; 149:3 243:22; 269:11; 274:12; 135:17; 149:14; 154:22; 251:9; 276:9; 277:9, 12, road [11] - 15:23; 16:4, 7; 277:7 182:16; 186:12; 194:3, 25; 20, 23 32:24; 33:9; 43:6, 9; 92:8; requirement [2] - 173:11; 198:12; 199:12; 203:4, 9; Review [4] - 89:7; 230:6; 138:12; 253:16; 270:3 247:20 205:6; 252:4; 254:2; 252:20; 278:15 roads [5] - 126:2; 129:1; requirements [3] - 142:24; 256:15; 268:19; 269:17; reviewed [5] - 199:9; 257:2, 184:20; 185:5; 276:6 173:17; 263:4 271:1; 275:14; 282:13 6; 259:14; 283:25 Robinson [2] - 3:10; 7:24 requires [1] - 136:25 respective [1] - 276:19 Reynier [4] - 3:8; 4:6; 7:21; robust [3] - 181:23; 239:2; requiring [2] - 22:7; 165:3 respects [1] - 248:15 129:14 259:15 rescheduled [1] - 11:10 respite [1] - 51:7 REYNIER [1] - 83:24 robustness [2] - 239:16; rescue [2] - 204:1; 220:12 respond [7] - 11:23; 97:1; rezoned [1] - 211:23 241:23 research [13] - 10:10, 15; 119:8; 168:16; 192:16; Rick [12] - 4:16, 20; 229:18; Rockies [4] - 90:23; 91:2, 4; 120:22; 121:5; 123:22; 229:9; 252:3 230:19; 231:5, 18; 237:18, 93:18 211:9; 236:23; 237:3-5; responded [3] - 194:2; 22; 238:3-5; 243:6 Rockies' [1] - 91:6 248:16; 249:22; 253:10 214:10; 259:21 RICK [4] - 231:7, 11; 237:23; Rocky [3] - 92:18; 134:14; researcher [1] - 132:10 responding [1] - 212:24 238:4 282:4 reserve [5] - 87:12; 103:3; response [12] - 26:12; 92:15; Ricker [4] - 240:20; 242:10, Rod [5] - 125:5, 16; 128:4; 156:19; 265:11; 271:25 116:7; 132:25; 193:1, 3; 13; 259:18 131:19; 137:11 reserved [1] - 208:13 233:2; 235:14; 252:19; ridiculous [1] - 220:23 role [18] - 23:17; 24:7, 14; reserves [2] - 156:20 253:1; 257:11; 259:5 right-hand [2] - 218:25; 30:6; 32:20; 71:2; 152:1; reservoir [28] - 80:11, 14-15, responses [2] - 162:1; 213:8 232:4 177:17; 180:3; 181:11, 21; 17; 92:24; 99:17; 127:8, responsibilities [3] - 29:14; rightly [1] - 101:15 182:3; 256:7; 278:22; 20; 210:17; 233:23; 243:9; 273:19, 25 Rights [5] - 187:17, 23; 280:5; 281:24 245:20; 246:11, 18, 20, 23; responsibility [4] - 163:14, 188:2, 8, 10 roles [4] - 25:4; 29:13; 65:8; 248:23; 253:4; 254:24; 17; 177:2; 206:14 rights [2] - 97:10, 19 276:19 255:5, 14, 20; 256:2, 8, 12, responsible [7] - 64:11; rigorous [2] - 143:3; 249:20 rolling [2] - 225:23; 251:18 20; 263:24; 264:5 148:24; 152:2; 270:23; rigs [1] - 149:10 room [5] - 47:20; 155:8; Reservoir [2] - 20:17; 158:20 271:8; 276:21; 282:18 riparian [23] - 169:4; 175:13; 222:23; 250:9, 13 reservoirs [1] - 264:7 rest [9] - 38:6; 39:17, 25; 233:13; 244:16, 20; 245:2, roots [2] - 47:6; 142:7 reside [1] - 253:12 40:9; 43:14, 24; 122:21; 11; 246:11, 16; 247:11, 14; rough [1] - 16:4 residences [1] - 223:14 125:11; 210:22 254:24; 255:5, 10, 18, 24; rounded [1] - 51:2 residency [2] - 134:5; 135:1 resting [1] - 135:1 256:5, 7, 9, 11 rounding [1] - 26:24 resident [4] - 113:3; 131:7, restoration [3] - 114:4, 13, rise [2] - 52:7; 54:4 route [1] - 31:15 16 17 rises [1] - 109:9 routes [1] - 86:25 residents [4] - 38:2; 113:5; restricted [5] - 112:20; risk [18] - 163:2, 23; 165:7, RPR [3] - 2:15; 285:3, 19 148:9; 154:18 116:24; 141:24; 142:1, 9 22; 166:10; 170:25; 171:2, rule [2] - 209:3; 214:8 residual [5] - 20:21; 111:6; result [9] - 16:25; 144:4; 5, 10; 172:23; 173:8; rules [3] - 136:20; 208:8; 151:10; 194:9; 254:8 145:9; 148:10; 193:23; 176:21; 181:5; 205:6; 212:25 resiliency [1] - 131:5 240:13; 243:14; 275:3 241:4; 242:19; 259:23 run [3] - 155:15; 167:7; resolution [2] - 103:16; resulting [2] - 147:19; 280:2 risk-based [2] - 241:4; 226:20 278:6 results [15] - 6:12; 10:14; 242:19 running [3] - 31:12; 122:18; resolve [1] - 278:11 26:14; 150:14; 169:14; risks [2] - 30:1; 162:1 228:6 resonate [1] - 66:19 183:14, 20; 239:16, 19; River [30] - 14:25; 81:4; runoff [1] - 220:3 resorts [2] - 65:14; 99:5 242:20; 243:1; 255:15; 107:2; 122:19; 127:17; runs [1] - 64:19 258:21; 283:24 Resource [11] - 4:12; 6:7; 132:2; 134:1; 145:8, 15; runway [14] - 206:25; 207:3, 62:20; 65:7; 84:23; 103:10; retail [2] - 67:22; 68:7 150:9, 21; 184:3; 193:21; 21; 209:8; 219:5, 8; 159:22; 160:12; 177:25; retain [1] - 171:22 204:19; 222:5; 233:25; 222:15; 223:1, 4, 9; 257:4; 282:22 retention [2] - 52:15; 173:17 234:1; 237:14; 245:20; 227:13, 17, 20 resource [21] - 6:9; 32:8; retirement [2] - 131:6; 248:23; 249:18; 253:3; runways [1] - 208:23 37:4; 62:19; 65:9; 82:6; 149:19 257:25; 261:8; 265:10, 17; rural [2] - 17:13; 59:10 105:6; 115:4; 139:2, 6; retrained [2] - 204:1, 4 273:11; 276:1; 284:8 rush [4] - 31:25; 32:2; 148:22 156:22; 162:5, 24; 163:3, retroactively [1] - 143:14 river [28] - 80:13, 17, 25; Russia [1] - 211:13 24; 164:8, 10; 166:4; return [1] - 133:14 81:5, 7, 22; 83:22; 88:23, RV [5] - 73:22; 78:25; 96:5; 174:25; 179:6; 265:13 revealed [1] - 143:5 25; 89:9, 15; 92:8; 99:16; 147:19; 281:14 107:5, 22; 108:5, 9, 20; resources [19] - 11:2; 49:3; Revelstoke [4] - 77:7, 9; RVers [1] - 78:12 127:10; 134:14; 143:17; 89:2; 94:14, 23; 95:2; 80:11; 81:17 RWDI [1] - 9:2 102:16; 138:10; 139:3, 7, revenue [11] - 29:1; 30:5; 147:20; 210:18; 233:23;

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Session [2] - 1:12; 7:4 227:13; 228:21; 229:1; salaries [1] - 98:21 scope [3] - 20:12; 138:17; session [7] - 11:11; 20:1; sales [1] - 39:24 152:13 231:4, 17; 232:4; 233:2; 142:14; 157:25; 201:2; 236:15; 248:6; 250:1; salvage [1] - 254:7 scoped [1] - 263:3 283:16; 284:9 251:6; 261:20; 274:24; salvaging [1] - 243:23 Scott [1] - 1:23 sessions [4] - 141:16, 24; 275:1; 282:11; 284:12 Sander [2] - 4:6; 129:15 screen [4] - 211:18, 20; 142:4; 197:19 SANDER [6] - 196:2; 198:6, 231:17; 232:4 seeing [5] - 57:13; 157:22; set [21] - 48:9; 65:23; 93:12; 214:17; 219:3; 226:11 18, 25; 201:9; 202:1 se [1] - 58:9 102:22; 103:19; 128:24; seek [3] - 23:3; 141:1; 277:19 Sanders [1] - 201:6 sea [1] - 133:20 146:14; 154:3; 162:11, 14; seeking [1] - 87:19 Sandra [1] - 152:19 seamless [1] - 161:17 166:13, 15; 168:23; seem [2] - 78:3; 260:18 sands [1] - 195:6 seams [1] - 49:17 180:13; 182:1; 258:20; segway [2] - 100:23; 157:18 274:17; 275:12; 277:5; sat [3] - 54:19; 141:10; search [1] - 220:12 seismic [1] - 184:20 278:2; 285:8 192:13 season [2] - 16:8; 113:10 selected [4] - 13:10; 162:15; set-up [1] - 93:12 satisfaction [1] - 134:24 seasonality [2] - 72:22; 165:6 satisfied [2] - 142:13 171:9 setback [2] - 211:25; 212:4 selecting [1] - 242:6 sets [1] - 64:18 Saulteau [53] - 4:14, 18-19, seasoned [1] - 205:20 selection [1] - 168:6 setting [3] - 64:13; 179:7; 21-22; 5:1, 3; 11:9, 14, 20; seasons [1] - 127:23 selectivity [1] - 244:8 229:6 190:19; 193:3, 15; 229:4, second [16] - 19:15; 30:12; 16, 22, 25; 230:3; 231:14; 66:14; 69:24; 88:15; 116:4; self [2] - 13:10; 274:5 settings [1] - 225:15 232:24; 233:6; 235:13; 120:5; 157:17; 182:12, 15; self-identified [1] - 13:10 settle [1] - 260:10 236:8, 16, 18; 237:2, 13; 201:5; 218:3; 247:1; self-monitoring [1] - 274:5 seven [6] - 48:9; 51:11; 238:3; 243:4; 245:4; 248:3; 273:16; 274:1, 20 senior [3] - 24:3; 231:20; 52:10; 63:18; 219:13; 283:25 283:20 251:2, 12, 19; 252:10; secondary [5] - 218:18; 253:5, 23, 25; 254:23; 241:4; 242:19; 256:3; sensible [1] - 271:10 several [16] - 9:5; 56:21; 256:24; 257:15; 259:8, 25; 259:23 sensitive [3] - 240:21; 90:9; 103:3; 104:25; 109:4; 260:21; 261:2, 19, 21; secondly [2] - 14:13; 24:15 258:23; 264:20 114:4; 125:3; 130:1, 17; 264:3; 265:20, 25; 266:2 133:17; 158:15; 190:14; seconds [2] - 207:10, 15 sensitivity [7] - 239:18; Saulteau's [3] - 254:2; 241:19, 21; 249:2, 6; 239:7; 258:4; 281:25 secret [2] - 141:25; 149:10 256:16; 264:6 259:8, 10 severe [1] - 16:12 SECRETARIAT [1] - 2:5 saw [10] - 126:3, 7-8, 10; sent [1] - 59:23 severity [1] - 151:7 Secretariat [4] - 113:19, 23; 158:19; 223:11 [2] 230:13; 251:17 sentiment [2] - 136:11; shade - 247:16; 255:12 sawmills [1] - 215:18 139:21 shading [2] - 245:18; 247:5 Secretary [1] - 64:17 scale [4] - 103:15; 163:19; sentiments [1] - 148:1 shadow [8] - 135:25; 146:18, Section [10] - 29:15; 88:16; 184:16; 283:1 234:4; 244:17; 254:3; separate [3] - 67:1; 141:16; 21; 147:22; 150:2, 13-14; scales [1] - 116:15 255:2; 264:19; 272:10, 17; 283:1 152:20 scaling [2] - 258:19; 269:11 274:15 separation [1] - 218:19 shall [3] - 206:20; 208:3 scanning [2] - 119:2, 15 [4] shallow [1] - 255:21 section [4] - 91:25; 92:19; September - 72:22; scarce [6] - 139:4, 8-10; 132:14; 274:17 198:24; 201:11, 16 shallows [1] - 255:22 236:7; 243:17 sections [5] - 266:9; 274:21, sequence [1] - 225:12 shape [3] - 216:1; 258:9 scarcity [1] - 139:6 24-25; 275:1 series [2] - 88:20; 266:11 share [3] - 35:19; 101:4; scenario [1] - 197:3 sector [12] - 11:3; 23:13; serious [2] - 39:18; 204:24 168:14 scenic [1] - 92:3 162:5; 163:19; 164:10-12; seriousness [1] - 20:6 shared [5] - 22:12; 25:4; scenics [1] - 77:23 166:4; 179:6; 202:22; serve [3] - 48:24; 132:1, 5 139:21; 173:25; 282:7 scepticism [1] - 140:15 227:5 served [2] - 51:13, 19 sharing [1] - 130:18 schedules [1] - 16:9 sector-specific [1] - 162:6 serves [1] - 245:16 sheep [2] - 110:4; 158:20 scheduling [1] - 277:14 sectors [12] - 64:14; 65:10; Service [1] - 113:7 shelf [4] - 136:4; 142:11; schematic [2] - 165:14 68:1, 17; 94:19; 162:24; service [13] - 10:19; 11:6; 144:19; 151:11 scheme [1] - 274:10 163:3, 24; 173:17; 280:1, 3 12:5, 8; 15:18; 50:3; 55:25; shelf-ready [4] - 136:4; schemes [1] - 272:21 secure [1] - 17:23 56:7; 60:13, 15, 19; 79:16; 142:11; 144:19; 151:11 school [10] - 23:1; 36:17, 19; security [2] - 150:22; 271:8 267:9 shift [3] - 164:11, 19; 268:24 44:4, 8, 11; 122:8; 132:1; see [64] - 9:4; 28:19; 30:20; services [43] - 10:4, 6, 8; shifts [1] - 164:9 203:18 14:12; 15:5, 7-8; 17:8, 19, shine [1] - 220:15

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218:16; shortly [1] - 159:13 SITE [1] - 1:2 slopes [1] - 126:15 224:17 shot [1] - 186:18 Site [52] - 14:14; 15:4, 13; sloughing [1] - 127:13 SOP [1] - 207:25 show [13] - 32:24; 35:23; 16:17, 20, 25; 17:5, 11, 21; slow [5] - 53:21; 64:3; 161:6; sophisticated [1] - 69:14 44:18; 49:23; 51:8; 97:5; 20:13; 23:7; 24:10, 22; 246:1; 273:20 sorry [22] - 45:7; 56:13; 82:2; 186:15; 213:16; 224:20; 25:10; 54:21; 56:17; 57:22; slower [1] - 255:15 83:18; 98:6; 99:2; 104:5; 225:7; 226:15; 241:22; 76:22; 77:8; 83:1; 86:20; slowly [1] - 226:21 108:8; 109:25; 110:7; 284:7 98:11; 101:11; 105:10; slows [1] - 279:25 122:25; 130:5; 181:6; showed [2] - 31:23; 43:23 114:17; 123:5; 128:8; small [10] - 43:7; 49:11; 183:12; 195:25; 198:18; shown [1] - 241:22 136:4, 6, 13; 137:3, 17; 69:15; 75:5; 132:22; 171:3; 199:16; 210:10; 220:14; shows [4] - 40:2; 67:20; 138:3, 7, 14; 140:5; 216:9; 254:11; 255:11 273:22; 279:24 172:13, 15 144:18; 148:18; 150:16, small-town [1] - 69:15 sort [23] - 48:22; 51:1; 52:9, sibling [1] - 51:15 18, 23; 151:11; 153:2; smaller [3] - 43:2; 70:20; 16; 54:4, 10; 58:12; 59:14; sic [3] - 139:3; 143:9; 199:19 156:23; 159:24; 184:2; 150:6 60:2; 73:22; 74:15; 83:10; sicker [1] - 40:8 230:6; 253:4; 254:22; smart [1] - 31:17 84:6; 107:7; 112:21; 265:16; 280:23 side [23] - 30:19; 34:7; 37:25; smoke [1] - 210:21 154:20; 163:19; 165:14; 38:2; 40:5; 64:25; 70:25; site [12] - 15:2; 17:16; 78:2; snapshots [1] - 181:19 177:24; 178:9; 247:23 74:21; 77:19; 108:17; 83:25; 163:11; 164:1; snow [5] - 127:1, 4; 217:8; sought [3] - 45:2; 142:14; 158:11; 203:10; 211:11; 178:22; 241:16; 275:25; 219:1; 225:19 282:15 218:25; 222:17; 226:2; 276:3 snow-covered [1] - 217:8 soul [1] - 135:4 232:4; 233:14; 244:16; site-specific [1] - 164:1 snowboarding [1] - 71:13 sounds [2] - 89:3; 144:14 245:11, 22; 247:18 sites [9] - 78:1; 88:22, 25; snowing [1] - 217:6 source [6] - 6:8; 115:3; sighting [1] - 158:5 102:17, 24; 103:6, 17; social [20] - 10:19; 12:2, 4; 175:10, 15, 24; 255:25 sightings [1] - 121:11 184:21; 281:14 13:2; 15:8; 134:24; 135:12; sources [3] - 175:17; 256:6; sightseeing [1] - 73:5 sitting [7] - 28:7; 51:11; 53:5; 136:22, 25; 138:21; 263:22 56:11; 59:18; 191:10; sign [1] - 205:21 139:13, 16; 149:21; south [7] - 11:1; 147:11; 215:6 signed [1] - 269:19 152:23, 25; 153:3, 21; 184:6; 212:10, 16; 224:23; situated [2] - 23:10; 24:6 significance [4] - 138:17; 154:2; 155:20; 265:21 264:5 144:7; 158:7; 203:1 situation [2] - 49:20; 139:24 Social [1] - 10:23 southeastern [1] - 133:25 six [17] - 72:1; 77:4; 92:15; significant [20] - 15:24; 17:2; society [4] - 137:9, 11; southwest [2] - 218:9; 18:1; 20:25; 28:15; 30:6; 94:15; 95:18; 106:15; 209:18; 282:3 225:22 36:11; 37:18; 40:21; 91:4, 206:19, 24; 207:2, 6-7, socio [13] - 7:13; 9:22; 28:12; space [4] - 49:21; 97:12; 7-8; 126:13; 131:4; 152:13; 22-23; 208:2, 6; 219:13 29:5; 33:17, 22; 36:9; 37:5, 208:15; 217:14 153:8; 216:10; 235:20; size [7] - 20:24; 150:7; 154:6, 10; 134:20; 135:6; 150:5; spaces [4] - 72:18; 97:4, 15, 283:18 16; 239:22; 242:1; 244:8 155:2 17 significantly [5] - 29:23; ski [2] - 86:8; 93:24 Socio [2] - 1:14; 7:6 spare [1] - 8:3 127:25; 138:8; 152:18; Ski [2] - 71:13; 102:9 socio-economic [5] - 7:13; spatial [3] - 17:11; 116:14; 244:11 skied [1] - 102:8 9:22; 33:22; 135:6; 155:2 194:24 silver [1] - 228:25 skiing [2] - 71:12; 98:18 Socio-Economic [2] - 1:14; spatially [1] - 167:18 similar [12] - 14:24; 17:20; skill [1] - 285:11 7:6 spawn [1] - 257:25 27:6; 133:13; 136:10; skills [4] - 18:15; 24:19; socio-economical [6] - spawner [4] - 240:1, 4; 144:20; 145:23; 195:5; 44:19; 51:6 28:12; 29:5; 33:17; 36:9; 257:16, 22 242:21; 268:8 Skills [2] - 62:13; 64:10 37:5, 10 spawners [3] - 239:10; similarly [2] - 17:18; 168:16 skins [1] - 126:25 socio-economics [1] - 240:8; 258:12 Simon [2] - 102:20; 231:25 sky [2] - 40:4, 13 134:20 spawning [2] - 240:13; simple [1] - 59:21 sleep [1] - 43:20 socio-services [1] - 150:5 258:16 simplified [1] - 258:13 slice [3] - 70:5; 73:20 sockeye [1] - 242:7 SPEAKER [1] - 130:6 simply [2] - 201:20; 258:19 sliced [1] - 76:7 soil [1] - 139:8 speaker [3] - 101:14; 128:23; SIMPSON [3] - 119:22; slices [1] - 70:20 sold [1] - 216:23 273:20 120:1; 124:4 slicing [1] - 72:11 solution [1] - 220:8 speaking [4] - 89:1; 238:5, Simpson [1] - 119:7 slide [31] - 67:13; 70:21; Solutions [1] - 2:18 18; 273:21 72:5; 73:13; 78:19; 101:17; speaks [2] - 50:19; 63:5

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253:4; 235:22; 252:18; 258:16; step [3] - 213:20; 216:15; stretched [2] - 56:8; 57:12 255:7, 17; 257:1, 24 260:4 220:3 strive [1] - 248:18 specific [22] - 40:1; 45:21; Stage [1] - 118:23 steps [1] - 173:19 strong [3] - 269:2; 278:22; 78:1; 81:19; 83:1; 88:17; stagnant [1] - 227:1 sterile [1] - 147:3 282:10 99:14, 18; 133:11; 135:21; stakeholder [2] - 13:3; 21:14 STEVE [1] - 108:22 stronger [2] - 13:12; 263:11 143:2; 157:21; 159:24; stakeholders [3] - 25:22; Steve [3] - 3:10; 7:25; 108:22 strongest [1] - 226:18 162:6; 164:1; 177:3; 95:25; 105:13 stewardship [1] - 205:8 struck [2] - 47:9, 13 188:19; 199:11; 236:4, 9; stale [1] - 222:15 stick [1] - 228:20 structure [7] - 154:3; 155:11, 252:16; 254:19 stand [2] - 48:16; 106:16 sticking [1] - 227:23 18; 214:16; 256:25; 257:1; Specific [2] - 1:12; 7:4 standard [6] - 12:20; 66:1; still [16] - 44:1; 55:3; 69:8; 258:25 specifically [15] - 14:23; 67:24; 68:11; 120:3; 175:1 97:12; 104:19; 118:1; structured [2] - 140:20; 23:16; 24:2; 38:7; 52:5; standardized [1] - 40:2 172:16; 215:14; 221:20; 274:14 74:16; 83:9; 99:21; 106:12; standards [3] - 151:22; 227:7; 228:9; 248:9; structures [4] - 153:21, 23; 111:9; 159:19; 182:23; 207:11; 236:13 276:23 261:18 188:24; 238:11; 261:7 Stano [6] - 3:13; 13:23; 14:1; stimulate [2] - 35:13; 137:13 struggle [2] - 52:14; 226:13 specificity [2] - 176:7; 26:3; 47:12 stipulates [1] - 240:6 struggled [1] - 222:16 178:22 STANO [6] - 13:25; 14:2, 20, stock [5] - 240:16, 21; struggles [1] - 15:10 specifics [2] - 122:4; 151:15 22; 26:4; 96:18 242:11; 258:9; 259:17 students [1] - 148:22 specified [2] - 212:4; 277:21 Staples [1] - 259:25 stock-recruitment [2] - studies [7] - 33:20; 119:5; specify [1] - 274:23 start [13] - 47:4; 76:18; 240:16; 242:11 144:20; 151:8; 177:13; spectacular [1] - 72:15 90:19; 95:12, 15; 101:7; stone [1] - 158:19 201:19; 242:6 speculate [1] - 93:9 104:23; 148:19; 184:21; stop [4] - 33:9; 122:8; study [33] - 6:9, 13; 19:19; speech [2] - 8:4; 59:22 200:16; 210:6; 224:12; 136:10; 228:5 115:4; 118:19; 121:19, 24; speed [1] - 64:5 246:6 stop-the-hearing/start-the- 122:3; 123:3, 10-11, 13, speed) [1] - 273:21 started [11] - 51:10; 64:23; dam [1] - 136:10 24; 124:2; 160:22; 170:2; speeded [1] - 90:4 82:17; 86:11; 105:24; stopped [2] - 201:20; 202:4 174:21; 175:1, 4; 177:19; spelled [1] - 245:8 145:20; 185:7; 193:1; stops [2] - 87:2; 208:9 180:9; 183:21; 184:2, 7; spelling [1] - 238:5 203:22; 262:18 store [1] - 113:8 187:13; 189:19; 200:4, 16; spend [4] - 46:22; 51:23; starting [5] - 49:16, 20; storing [1] - 176:6 201:19; 211:7; 218:14; 61:5; 157:9 86:10; 116:20; 167:9 story [5] - 33:1, 6, 10; 39:7; 264:19 spending [1] - 70:12 state [5] - 41:1; 56:23; 106:18 Study [1] - 75:13 spent [2] - 67:11; 223:3 147:23; 211:4; 234:4 straight [3] - 65:11; 207:17; stuff [5] - 91:9; 126:3; 128:2; spill [1] - 38:23 statement [3] - 107:7; 224:5 214:4; 260:9 spiritual [1] - 97:20 123:25; 277:22 straight-line [1] - 65:11 style [2] - 135:22; 140:10 spoken [1] - 205:17 Statement [3] - 193:19; strand [1] - 212:8 stymied [1] - 137:17 sport [1] - 113:8 230:7; 246:15 stranding [9] - 233:13; subcomponent [1] - 132:14 spray [3] - 219:18, 23 statements [2] - 19:12; 136:3 243:8, 15, 19, 25; 244:13; subheading [1] - 244:18 spring [2] - 122:7; 215:16 States [1] - 31:23 254:3, 9 subject [5] - 112:11; 251:21; spruce [1] - 133:21 states [3] - 66:15; 267:2; strategic [12] - 13:9; 23:18; 260:10; 273:2; 276:24 square [1] - 49:16 270:6 64:13, 15; 159:20; 166:7; submission [3] - 257:7; squashed [1] - 147:9 static [1] - 216:4 179:22; 180:6; 190:24; 273:12; 274:6 St [49] - 1:24; 3:16; 7:2; statistical [2] - 70:17; 79:19 191:21; 192:3 submissions [2] - 201:15; 10:17, 20; 11:8; 17:15; statistically [1] - 283:18 strategies [3] - 59:15; 163:1, 206:2 33:4; 38:7; 42:25; 47:24; statistician [1] - 55:15 23 submit [3] - 63:1; 151:3; 48:11, 14, 19; 49:1, 8; statistics [5] - 43:24; 58:2; strategy [7] - 71:9; 95:14; 220:9 51:21; 54:22; 55:1; 56:3; 67:1; 75:7; 129:5 103:21; 114:16; 122:14; submitted [2] - 75:12; 60:19, 23; 91:25; 93:1; stats [4] - 55:9; 58:8; 75:10 138:12; 243:18 257:19 102:24; 120:12; 129:5; Stats [4] - 30:11; 68:12; straw [1] - 153:4 submitting [1] - 133:8 130:22; 131:9, 17; 132:6; 266:25; 267:14 stream [8] - 169:23; 171:7; subscribed [1] - 285:13 134:7, 10; 136:9; 149:9; status [3] - 30:10; 137:3; 233:14; 244:16; 245:11, subsequent [1] - 22:3 150:8; 154:4; 158:10; 269:18 22; 247:18, 23 subsequently [2] - 197:22; 204:11; 260:16; 266:12;

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259:14 Supply [1] - 172:4 T 162:20; 165:7; 170:9, 17, substance [2] - 36:7, 25 supply [10] - 15:19; 16:14; 19; 172:19; 176:20; substantial [4] - 15:19; 22:18; 23:9; 95:7, 10; 185:22; 253:21 49:13; 91:18; 248:10 144:12; 270:16, 19; 276:18 Table [5] - 6:4; 9:13; 26:14, terms [33] - 44:18; 52:20; substantially [3] - 18:10; support [21] - 10:23, 25; 16, 18 55:9; 69:5; 75:17; 80:2; 165:11; 269:12 11:6; 17:20; 100:9; 125:13; table [2] - 8:12; 27:9 81:21; 83:4; 109:6; 110:5; substantive [1] - 137:25 136:21; 144:24; 149:20; tableaux [1] - 103:19 123:20; 124:13; 125:18; succeeding [1] - 12:9 164:18; 166:24; 171:17; tables [1] - 27:12 127:7, 23, 25; 138:21; success [3] - 12:16; 235:4; 241:5; 243:24; 253:10; tag [1] - 112:16 145:13; 147:4, 6; 151:14; 240:13 267:3; 271:11; 278:5; take-off [1] - 205:11 167:24; 171:1; 172:19; successful [5] - 91:11; 281:8, 21, 23 takeaway [1] - 74:24 186:6; 188:23; 195:22; 142:18; 146:9; 179:2; supported [2] - 24:9; 242:12 taker [1] - 178:25 196:7, 11; 197:15; 215:23; 247:2 supporting [2] - 94:15; 233:7 talent [1] - 49:23 275:5; 277:15 successfully [2] - 22:5; supportive [1] - 34:9 tall [1] - 223:15 terrain [1] - 217:8 227:24 suppose [5] - 43:3; 85:9, 17; tank [1] - 221:21 terrestrial [6] - 143:15; successive [1] - 142:6 119:17; 177:7 target [4] - 12:19; 70:10; 169:17; 171:21; 174:24; sucker [1] - 252:12 suppressing [1] - 170:22 82:24; 94:16 255:1, 25 suddenly [4] - 36:13; 111:1; surface [4] - 246:24; 255:22; targeted [2] - 96:5; 102:1 terrible [2] - 210:15; 222:11 133:20; 135:11 263:22; 270:17 tasked [1] - 120:18 territories [3] - 25:6; 97:18; suffice [1] - 142:12 surfaces [1] - 216:2 tax [2] - 47:1; 268:4 189:18 sufficient [5] - 116:14; surplus [2] - 116:14; 141:11 tax-based [1] - 268:4 Territories [2] - 14:7; 112:15 151:10; 239:13; 241:15 surprise [1] - 134:2 taxes [1] - 46:25 territory [3] - 108:25; 130:17; sufficiently [1] - 234:13 surprised [1] - 149:25 taxi [4] - 68:5; 218:22; 219:4 211:23 suggest [5] - 17:1; 61:3; surprising [2] - 275:3 taxis [1] - 68:5 Territory [2] - 115:17, 20 92:16; 225:22; 278:6 surrounded [1] - 223:13 taxiway [1] - 218:25 test [4] - 31:2, 6; 180:14; suggested [13] - 90:16; surrounding [3] - 15:9; 19:3; Taylor [7] - 147:11, 19; 218:17 112:14; 233:17; 241:9; 246:19 148:20, 23; 184:4; 212:11; tested [1] - 239:20 242:13; 256:18; 259:24; surveillance [4] - 244:3; 282:6 testify [1] - 145:10 266:6; 272:5; 273:3; 254:7, 10, 14 teaching [1] - 148:20 testimony [1] - 151:7 274:13, 20; 275:8 survey [1] - 120:3 team [7] - 45:3; 53:6; 100:21; testing [3] - 180:8; 241:19, suggesting [3] - 9:7; 242:15; surveying [1] - 244:2 132:10; 178:2; 277:17; 21 260:16 surveys [2] - 30:11; 119:24 281:3 text [2] - 27:10; 191:18 suggestion [4] - 202:7; survival [2] - 242:8; 254:6 teamed [1] - 133:1 textbook [1] - 210:20 206:15; 275:7; 280:11 SUSAN [6] - 57:8; 84:16; teams [1] - 24:3 Thailand [1] - 69:3 suggestions [3] - 57:21; 89:1; 129:2; 201:6; 262:11 Technical [1] - 2:19 thawing [1] - 127:12 135:21; 220:5 Susan [4] - 3:6; 4:4; 7:17; technical [14] - 8:10; 27:13; THE [113] - 1:1; 2:5; 7:11; suicide [1] - 40:6 129:10 151:19; 201:25; 230:5, 8:3; 9:10, 15; 13:19; 14:1, suite [10] - 6:11; 67:14; suspended [1] - 39:12 11-12, 22, 24; 233:8; 18, 21; 26:1, 5, 10; 27:18; 143:15; 179:10; 182:18; suspiciously [1] - 144:14 264:16, 19; 265:11 30:15; 42:20; 43:22; 44:21; 183:3, 11, 13, 19; 258:3 sustainability [5] - 11:25; technicians [2] - 237:4; 45:16; 47:9, 19; 48:1; 57:1, sum [3] - 26:15, 23; 153:5 13:1; 150:25; 182:8; 253:25 5; 60:9; 61:1, 3, 11; 63:6, summaries [1] - 141:21 249:18 technology [1] - 34:21 10; 64:1, 4; 79:6; 82:13; summarize [2] - 26:19; 281:6 Sustainability [1] - 182:7 TELAV [1] - 2:18 87:6; 89:14, 17, 20; 91:22; summarized [1] - 196:3 sustainable [5] - 12:7, 25; telephone [2] - 159:4; 230:19 92:11; 93:11; 96:16; summary [7] - 22:15; 25:15; 42:14; 82:6; 150:20 telephone) [4] - 4:16; 229:18 103:17, 25; 104:8; 115:8; 116:1, 11; 117:12, 18; 65:8; 250:2; 258:25; 260:7; sustained [1] - 12:21 temperature [1] - 255:16 118:7, 13; 119:6, 17, 21; 262:6 Swain [3] - 2:2; 192:10; temporal [2] - 20:12; 170:8 120:5; 122:1, 24; 123:4, summer [1] - 255:13 246:1 temporary [1] - 269:3 17; 124:24; 128:11, 21; sums [1] - 27:1 switching [1] - 51:1 ten [5] - 29:9; 154:20; 202:7; 130:9; 140:7; 153:14, 25; Sunday [1] - 125:21 syndromes [2] - 53:14; 60:6 203:7; 265:22 154:12; 155:23; 156:1, 4; Super [2] - 68:20; 72:4 synopsis [1] - 91:14 ten-minute [1] - 202:7 157:15; 158:25; 159:3; super [8] - 211:1, 3-4; 215:8, synthetic [1] - 89:15 tend [1] - 140:11 161:6; 174:7; 186:17, 20; 16; 218:15; 224:9; 226:1 system [12] - 40:6; 52:17; tended [1] - 136:9 187:1, 10, 12, 21, 25; super-cooled [8] - 211:1, 115:16, 22; 117:13; 130:4; tending [1] - 71:18 189:6; 192:9, 12, 15, 19; 3-4; 215:8, 16; 218:15; 143:18; 216:9; 218:4; tenure [9] - 6:6; 84:2, 13, 22; 199:14; 200:7, 13, 21, 24; 224:9; 226:1 270:12, 14, 16 90:13, 17, 20; 145:9 202:6, 12; 210:11; 228:4, superseding [1] - 156:20 SYSTEM [1] - 2:17 tenures [2] - 90:10, 14 11, 20, 24; 229:14; 245:25; supervisor [1] - 205:16 systematic [2] - 63:19; term [27] - 18:19, 21; 22:6; 246:4, 8; 251:23; 260:6; supplemental [1] - 256:18 241:22 23:11; 42:12; 54:21; 56:16; 261:6, 13, 24; 283:7; 284:5 supplied [2] - 15:22; 248:9 systems [7] - 171:4; 204:7, 66:25; 73:21; 90:17, 20; themselves [8] - 41:5; 82:5, suppliers [1] - 16:10 10; 241:13 98:12; 122:3; 136:1; 19; 91:11; 94:16; 95:4; supplies [1] - 15:20 138:25; 149:21; 152:5; 188:22

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184:19; 19:21; 25:14; 31:4; 32:2; 101:1; 103:14 217:14 195:2; 222:20; 223:7; 41:5; 48:23; 54:9; 63:1; tourism-related [1] - 81:5 transportation [4] - 67:22; 261:6 65:19; 103:12; 105:19; tourist [3] - 85:20; 86:21; 203:5; 269:24; 270:6 third [8] - 65:4; 67:5; 115:18; 113:19; 116:23; 118:10; 90:23 Transportation [1] - 129:23 182:11; 239:19; 254:23; 159:17; 160:1; 199:6, 24; Tourist [1] - 91:8 trap [12] - 97:19; 108:4, 274:3; 275:7 202:17; 257:19; 259:5; tourists [4] - 70:18; 97:24; 11-12, 16, 19, 25; 109:1; Thompson [10] - 4:13; 272:19, 25; 280:14 158:3; 281:20 115:16, 19, 23; 249:20 102:21; 161:22; 199:15, today's [3] - 13:17; 42:9; tournament [1] - 49:22 trapped [1] - 243:13 17; 200:25; 202:6, 13, 15; 143:10 tours [1] - 158:22 trappers [2] - 84:5; 108:4 228:4 together [19] - 32:20; 46:4, 8; towards [4] - 96:5; 179:9; trapping [6] - 108:6; 115:13, THOMPSON [5] - 202:16; 48:16; 50:20; 57:15; 65:17; 228:1; 266:2 19, 22 210:12; 228:9, 15, 23 68:15; 72:3; 84:14; 112:7; towed [2] - 228:25; 229:2 trauma [1] - 148:10 Thompson's [1] - 283:13 166:25; 178:10; 190:4; tower [1] - 211:20 travel [12] - 66:15, 17, 20; thorough [2] - 193:19; 191:20; 261:9; 265:9; town [3] - 58:22; 69:15; 67:1, 6; 72:25; 73:4; 79:25; 246:16 274:21 204:19 80:1; 98:16; 133:21 thoughtful [1] - 117:8 tomorrow [1] - 284:8 towns [1] - 32:25 travelled [1] - 204:13 thoughtfully [1] - 105:17 tonne [2] - 215:1, 3 toys [1] - 30:21 traveller [11] - 74:1, 6; 76:6, thousand [2] - 39:15; 130:7 Tony [2] - 120:19; 124:7 track [2] - 58:11; 87:23 12, 14-15; 79:10, 17; thousands [1] - 162:4 TONY [1] - 91:23 tracking [1] - 124:14 85:22; 86:24; 98:19 threat [1] - 216:21 took [5] - 33:10; 106:23; Tract [1] - 233:4 travellers [6] - 68:25; 69:6; threatened [2] - 148:13; 209:14; 226:7; 227:17 trade [3] - 135:2; 282:2 76:8, 11, 24; 281:15 150:2 tool [4] - 33:23; 112:1, 8; trade-offs [2] - 135:2 travelling [1] - 66:5 threats [1] - 168:15 177:12 trades [6] - 15:7; 17:9; 18:12; travels [1] - 73:22 three [39] - 39:9; 40:24; tools [3] - 33:23; 34:16; 19:11; 24:16; 279:14 treatment [1] - 202:23 51:18; 59:25; 64:9; 65:17; 114:19 traditional [5] - 25:6; 97:17, Treaty [35] - 14:6; 115:11, 66:9; 73:17; 95:2; 99:21; top [7] - 122:11; 165:18; 19; 130:17; 189:18 16-17, 19; 117:11, 18, 25; 102:12; 110:23; 122:15, 181:12; 210:18; 214:4; Traditional [1] - 14:7 118:18; 120:24; 121:7, 23; 17; 126:8; 131:3; 138:1; 222:25; 226:20 traffic [19] - 78:11, 13, 17; 123:1, 14; 130:17; 131:2; 142:11; 161:20; 164:9; topic [9] - 147:2; 192:22; 149:4; 208:13, 25; 209:3, 139:25; 187:17, 22-23; 190:3; 193:14; 207:8, 202:23; 203:14; 205:23; 6; 213:5; 217:13; 219:3, 7; 188:2, 8, 10; 189:2, 9; 10-11, 14; 208:7, 11, 23; 209:16; 262:24; 266:16; 221:9; 223:5; 227:21; 192:13; 193:14; 200:19; 215:7; 223:22; 225:9, 15; 283:16 270:2; 276:8 264:24; 265:3, 5, 7; 233:13; 257:2; 259:17; Topic [2] - 1:12; 7:4 Traffic [3] - 210:3; 218:1; 284:15, 22 267:16; 274:13 Topic-Specific [2] - 1:12; 7:4 220:11 tree [1] - 172:6 three-quarter [1] - 207:14 topics [7] - 7:13; 9:22; 62:8; trails [3] - 74:4; 126:2; 157:2 treks [1] - 73:21 three-quarters [1] - 225:9 128:13; 135:22; 266:10; train [1] - 223:14 tremendous [2] - 92:17, 25 threshold [4] - 203:1; 275:16 trained [2] - 18:8; 237:3 Trench [1] - 92:18 207:20; 225:13; 226:3 Toronto [1] - 205:17 Training [2] - 62:13; 64:11 trench [1] - 92:23 thresholds [1] - 22:2 total [10] - 20:15; 27:1; 39:18; training [11] - 18:3, 12, 20, trend [4] - 165:7; 185:22; throughout [8] - 25:17; 109:1; 172:3; 210:5; 237:6; 24; 24:17; 203:18, 22; 188:13; 203:3 95:25; 115:17; 118:23; 238:18; 246:24; 252:7 204:6; 209:23; 279:14 trends [8] - 154:21; 155:2; 166:21; 250:4; 254:15; totally [1] - 124:10 Trans [1] - 43:4 165:21; 170:9, 12, 17; 277:8 touch [4] - 69:21; 76:5; transcribed [4] - 64:4; 161:7; 172:19 throw [1] - 38:17 105:1; 238:7 246:4; 285:9 Trevis [1] - 2:6 Thursday [2] - 284:8, 12 touring [4] - 71:10; 73:20; transcript [2] - 250:16; Trevor [4] - 3:8; 4:5; 7:20; tight [1] - 80:2 76:18; 98:2 285:10 129:13 tighter [1] - 79:24 tourism [75] - 61:14; 62:8, transcripts [1] - 141:21 trial [15] - 159:19; 160:20; timber [1] - 171:22 12; 64:12, 14, 25; 65:10, transects [1] - 118:23 161:18; 163:5; 165:17; Timber [1] - 172:4 18, 21, 25; 66:2, 10, 12, transition [4] - 11:6; 161:17; 166:17; 167:11; 173:20-22; timeframes [1] - 106:19 16, 19; 67:4, 9, 15-18; 254:25; 280:2 180:12; 200:4; 282:23 timeline [1] - 235:5 68:1, 6, 10; 70:23; 71:15, transitional [1] - 269:7 trialing [1] - 180:8 23; 72:1; 73:23; 74:5, 9, Tribal [6] - 115:12; 189:9;

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36:23; 239:17 unhappy [1] - 47:8 upgraded [1] - 222:6 37:1; 39:11 types [8] - 170:14; 176:24; unintended [1] - 162:7 uphill [1] - 224:25 troubled [1] - 261:13 240:17; 242:25; 244:5, 7; unique [10] - 51:13, 17, 19; upper [3] - 131:12, 15; troubleshooting [1] - 204:14 253:14, 20 52:18; 72:1, 19; 149:15; 283:19 trough [1] - 227:6 typically [1] - 51:17 185:22; 271:19; 281:19 upslope [1] - 224:18 trout [15] - 239:5; 240:6; unit [5] - 120:14, 21; 161:11; upstream [2] - 148:11; 184:4 241:2; 242:7; 248:24; U 169:25; 174:15 urged [1] - 21:21 249:4, 13; 250:25; 252:11; units [14] - 122:16, 18; 123:8; useful [2] - 131:3; 283:4 255:17; 256:21; 259:22 161:1, 3, 9, 13; 170:4; user [1] - 85:23 U.S [2] - 76:8; 211:10 truck [3] - 15:23; 43:15 175:3; 182:1; 269:5, 12, users [3] - 111:4; 112:20; ultimately [1] - 244:9 trucking [2] - 15:7; 16:9 21; 276:10 233:1 UN [1] - 66:3 trucks [4] - 43:6; 79:16 university [1] - 133:24 uses [4] - 66:3; 97:20; 99:7; unable [2] - 23:1; 268:8 true [5] - 47:17; 107:21; University [6] - 131:21, 24; 240:3 unacceptable [3] - 146:15; 109:25; 111:7; 285:9 231:24; 232:10, 12 usual [2] - 8:3; 66:6 153:10; 202:25 truly [3] - 99:6; 179:4; 204:20 unknown [1] - 248:12 utilities [1] - 13:5 unactive [1] - 219:5 truncated [1] - 161:13 unless [4] - 56:4; 59:16; Utilities [6] - 136:2; 272:9, unbelievable [1] - 215:24 trust [6] - 22:8; 133:3; 137:1, 104:1; 107:25 11, 18; 274:22; 275:4 uncertainties [3] - 257:10; 9; 140:17; 158:14 unlikely [1] - 249:19 259:11, 16 Trust [5] - 4:10; 130:12; unnecessary [1] - 138:5 uncertainty [7] - 18:18; V 146:6, 12; 158:9 unplanned [1] - 37:8 19:13; 137:4; 241:25; trusted [1] - 152:9 unpredictable [1] - 249:19 248:10; 259:9; 263:21 vacations [1] - 71:10 trustee [1] - 132:1 unrealistic [4] - 239:8; unconventional [1] - 170:20 validation [2] - 239:15; 242:4 try [8] - 127:17; 138:11; 240:10; 248:13; 249:16 uncrowded [1] - 72:17 validity [1] - 257:15 140:3; 147:3, 5; 196:5; unrelated [1] - 222:11 under [32] - 20:7; 29:11; valley [33] - 92:1; 102:18, 205:2; 206:3 unrestricted [1] - 117:1 49:15; 55:13; 90:10; 21-22; 103:1, 7; 106:21; trying [16] - 95:5; 96:9; unsettled [1] - 149:17 102:10; 147:15; 161:20; 125:22; 127:9; 133:20; 101:5; 112:4; 114:5; unskilled [1] - 35:7 169:3; 172:17; 173:4; 134:12, 14, 17, 19; 135:13; 145:16; 157:7; 162:22; unstable [1] - 16:7 208:8, 17; 216:21; 226:24; 138:9; 146:21; 147:10, 17; 170:11; 177:17; 180:25; unsupportable [1] - 249:16 227:5; 237:6; 252:16; 148:9, 15; 149:14; 150:24; 198:20; 210:25; 211:16; unsupported [1] - 239:8 258:4, 16; 261:9; 267:13; 152:20; 157:8; 158:7; 221:13; 223:19 unsustainable [1] - 203:3 271:14; 272:10, 20, 24; 172:23; 204:20; 212:11; Tuesday [1] - 7:1 unto [1] - 77:17 273:6; 274:21; 275:6; 224:10, 14; 282:8, 10 turn [13] - 9:15; 19:15; 62:22; untouched [1] - 103:2 281:19 Valley [18] - 87:11; 93:24; 128:24; 202:13; 219:8; unusual [1] - 23:6 undergoing [1] - 163:12 126:12, 14; 127:4; 128:2; 226:10; 237:17; 244:15; unwillingness [1] - 147:14 underlying [2] - 181:2; 131:2; 134:1; 136:8; 247:3; 256:14; 262:5; up [82] - 24:2; 26:9, 11; 32:4; 185:23 139:14, 18; 145:15; 284:17 33:9; 37:20; 43:10; 49:23; undertake [1] - 270:20 150:22; 261:8; 265:7, 10, turning [7] - 15:3; 232:17; 57:24; 58:4; 62:24; 72:7; undertaken [4] - 140:19; 18 233:22; 236:15; 243:7, 20; 74:25; 76:7; 78:4; 79:13; 143:14; 153:20; 238:12 Valley/Lower [1] - 87:20 250:1 85:2; 87:4; 89:6; 90:3; undertaking [8] - 106:23; valleys [1] - 150:21 two [64] - 14:9; 26:23; 49:11; 92:22, 24; 93:12; 94:10; 160:20; 163:15; 233:3; valuable [2] - 137:23; 280:17 51:17; 52:3, 24; 55:22; 95:11; 96:6, 10, 22; 99:20; 257:18; 259:6; 270:23 valuation [1] - 173:22 56:14; 65:8, 11; 69:22; 101:9, 23; 102:22; 103:19; UNDERTAKING [8] - 6:3, 5, Value [1] - 75:13 71:21; 73:16; 84:7, 13; 106:16; 115:18; 116:17; 8, 11; 9:12; 84:21; 115:3; value [22] - 8:16; 26:21; 85:19; 90:13; 92:5, 8, 16; 120:22; 121:13; 127:19; 183:19 139:4, 7, 10, 15, 17, 19; 93:5; 118:8, 11, 14; 128:24; 154:5; 156:14; undertakings [4] - 62:25; 143:10; 162:20; 166:13; 128:13; 130:7; 140:19; 157:11, 15; 158:4, 6, 63:2; 140:17; 199:23 169:4, 19; 185:11, 18, 22; 148:17; 152:15; 156:8; 10-11; 165:23; 173:21; UNDERTAKINGS [1] - 6:1 186:15; 187:24; 188:12, 161:21; 164:4; 167:22; 179:7; 186:15; 192:13; undeveloped [1] - 103:4 17; 233:6; 258:19 169:16; 176:24; 178:9; 199:17; 200:18; 204:8; unemployment [2] - 30:25; valued [2] - 171:21; 187:17 179:15; 180:4; 181:10, 19; 212:6; 216:16; 218:8; 37:18 values [65] - 134:11, 19; 182:9; 193:12; 195:17; 219:3, 13, 21; 220:22, 24;

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283:14 131:24; 132:11, 13, 24; 219:14, 16; 221:14 verb [1] - 140:23 website [7] - 6:7; 44:14; 134:16, 18; 138:11; waitlist [1] - 53:1 verification [1] - 12:15 83:25; 84:24; 91:5; 210:8, 142:23; 143:12, 21, 24; waitlists [4] - 52:21; 56:10; verifications [1] - 8:8 23 144:3, 9; 145:9, 14, 19; 59:18 verify [3] - 242:22; 243:1; Wednesday [1] - 53:5 157:7, 12, 19, 21, 24-25; Wal [1] - 113:8 257:12 week [11] - 53:10; 59:25; 158:17, 24; 175:12; version [1] - 264:15 Wal-Marts [1] - 113:8 83:9; 120:9; 130:23; 181:16, 20; 182:16-18, versus [5] - 163:10, 24; walk [2] - 41:3; 169:15 141:10; 143:5; 149:16 20-21; 183:4, 6, 9; 184:9, 171:15; 241:12; 242:7 walk-in [1] - 41:3 week-by-week [1] - 149:16 12, 23; 185:14; 186:3, 5, 7, vests [1] - 79:15 walks [1] - 122:7 weekend [2] - 125:14; 126:3 12; 188:12, 25 VFR [2] - 208:17, 24 Wallace [1] - 2:4 weekly [1] - 59:24 Wildlife [1] - 84:11 via [4] - 4:16; 229:18 walls [2] - 284:16 weeks [5] - 28:1; 39:9; 53:13; wildlife-viewing [1] - 157:21 viability [1] - 249:24 warbler [2] - 169:9 76:18; 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