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Wednesday Volume 654 6 February 2019 No. 247 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Wednesday 6 February 2019 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2019 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 311 6 FEBRUARY 2019 312 Scott Mann (North Cornwall) (Con): I know the House of Commons Minister will be aware that delivering public services in rural areas is particularly challenging. Will he consider Wednesday 6 February 2019 how he could use tech and innovation to facilitate better public services in areas such as those that I represent? The House met at half-past Eleven o’clock Oliver Dowden: My hon. Friend is absolutely right. One of the great aspects of the GovTech challenge fund is that it is often used in rural areas. In rural Scotland, PRAYERS for example, we are looking into how it could be used to help to ensure that the environment is properly managed, [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] and we are working on other similar schemes. Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD): Time and again, Mr Speaker, you have heard me Oral Answers to Questions raise the issue of deeply unsatisfactory broadband coverage in my constituency, which greatly impairs the delivery of vital public services. Responding to a question that I asked not long ago, the Prime Minister mentioned the DUCHY OF LANCASTER shared prosperity fund. Might that fund be used to tackle the problem of very poor broadband coverage? If The Minister for the Cabinet Office and Chancellor of the Minister cannot give me an answer now, will he the Duchy of Lancaster was asked— agree to meet me to discuss the issue? Public Services Delivery: Technology Oliver Dowden: I am always happy to meet all Members, and I have heard the hon. Gentleman’s representation 1. Chris Green (Bolton West) (Con): What steps he is in respect of the shared prosperity fund. Our industrial taking to encourage the use of innovative technologies strategy has already committed us to spending more to improve the delivery of public services. [909024] than £1 billion on digital infrastructure, including £176 million on 5G and £200 million on broadband for The Parliamentary Secretary, Cabinet Office (Oliver local areas. There is, I know, an issue with the Scottish Dowden): Last month I announced five new public National party Government getting the money to the sector challenges, to be funded from the £20 million frontline, which is why my right hon. Friend the Culture GovTech innovation fund. In the spring we will publish Secretary has announced that in future, money will go a strategy for the use of innovation in public services. directly to councils. Chris Green: Can my hon. Friend confirm that the Jo Platt (Leigh) (Lab/Co-op): When it comes to the GovTech fund is being used to identify technologies delivery of technology with the use of public money, we with the potential to improve medical care and deliver know whose side the Government are on: their mates in better services at a lower cost? the megafirms. Their spending on Cloud provision with just one company, Amazon Web Services, has increased Oliver Dowden: I am delighted to confirm that to my by 8,000% since 2015. The next time the Minister signs hon. Friend. There is huge potential here for improvement off another multimillion-pound tech contract, will he in public services. So far the GovTech Catalyst has perhaps spare a thought for one of the UK’s incredible funded two health-related challenges: the first seeks to small and medium-sized enterprises? improve the medication pathway for people entering custody, and the second will assess how machine learning Oliver Dowden: The Government are committed to could improve prediction and provision in relation to ensuring that SMEs win their fair share of Government adult social care. contracts.Unlikethe Labour Government, this Government Luke Pollard (Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport) (Lab/ have set the target of devoting a third of all spending to Co-op): At the weekend, 70 Labour MPs and Members SMEs. However, the hon. Lady rightly raised the issue of the European Parliament signed my letter to the of Amazon Web Services. Let us look at the figures. Government asking them to review the operation of the AWS is a G-Cloud supplier. A total of £3.2 billion has EU settled status app for EU citizens, which is currently been spent on G-Cloud. How much has been spent on available only on Android phones and not on iPhones. AWS? Just £70 million, which amounts to less than What advice does the Cabinet Office gives other 2.2% of total spending. Departments to ensure that no digital discrimination is embedded in the new technologies that the Government Public Sector Procurement are rolling out? 2. Mohammad Yasin (Bedford) (Lab): What recent Oliver Dowden: The hon. Gentleman is right to raise progress his Department has made on its proposed the question of the digital verification system. It is changes to public sector procurement. [909025] perfectly possible to subscribe to it with any phone. The issue relates to the document verification, which can Oliver Dowden: We are determined to deliver value be carried out in respect of Android phones but not, for money for taxpayers through better procurement, currently, in respect of Apple phones. However, the and to support a healthy and diverse supply market. Home Office is working on that as we speak. We recently announced measures including simplifying 313 Oral Answers 6 FEBRUARY 2019 Oral Answers 314 procurement processes, taking account of social value they pay to their subcontractors? How can we find when awarding contracts, and excluding large suppliers better ways to ensure that SMEs win some of those from Government contracts if they cannot demonstrate valuable contracts? prompt payment. Oliver Dowden: My hon. Friend is absolutely right to highlight the issue of SMEs winning contracts. This is Mohammad Yasin: I thank the Minister for his answer. why we have abolished complex pre-qualification The number of businesses receiving late payments from questionnaires on small-value contracts, for example, the Cabinet Office has nearly tripled in the past two and in November I announced that if major strategic years. Does the Minister agree that this makes a mockery suppliers were not paying their small providers on time, of the Government’s plans to crack down on public they could face being excluded from Government contracts. sector suppliers who pay late? Tommy Sheppard (Edinburgh East) (SNP): I am aware Oliver Dowden: Prompt payment is important to all that current statute means that wage rates cannot be businesses, particularly small businesses. That is why mandated, but it is possible to use the procurement we have set a target for 90% of undisputed invoices process to encourage employers to consider paying the from small and medium-sized enterprises to be paid real living wage in the context of fair work policies. within five days. We are making good progress, and Indeed, that is the process undertaken by the Scottish six Departments are already exceeding that target. I Government.WilltheMinisterconsiderfollowingScotland’s know that there has been an issue in respect of the lead and using procurement to ensure that employers Cabinet Office, but I can give the hon. Gentleman the pay the real living wage? latest figures, from December, which show that 95% of invoices are now meeting the 30-day target and that Oliver Dowden: I thank the hon. Gentleman for his 82% are meeting the five-day target. question. I hope that he will acknowledge the progress that this Government have made in introducing a national living wage for the first time. The effect of that national Greg Hands (Chelsea and Fulham) (Con): Will the living wage, which will rise by almost 5% this April, is Minister join me in welcoming moves to roll over that an average person working full time on the national the WTO Agreement on Government Procurement—the living wage will be almost £3,000 a year better off—and GPA—and in welcoming the access that that would give that is not counting the massive increase in the personal to UK companies competing abroad and the opening allowance that also cuts their taxes. up of our own markets to foreign competitors? Christian Matheson (City of Chester) (Lab): Of course, Oliver Dowden: I know that my right hon. Friend has it is not a living wage; it is just a minimum wage a great deal of experience in this area, and he is absolutely re-badged. right to highlight the importance of the GPA. I am The Government have repeatedly insisted that Interserve’s pleased that we have made progress and reached agreement “current intentions are a matter for the company itself.” in principle for the United Kingdom to join the GPA, However, it emerged last night that Cabinet Office and I am confident that we will have that in place officials were playing an active role in talks to negotiate shortly. a rescue package. It seems that the Government cannot make up their mind whether they have a responsibility Mr Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield) (Lab/Co-op): Is to intervene and protect public services and jobs or not the Minister guilty of a bit of jiggery-pokery? [HON. whether to let the market decide, so which is it? MEMBERS: “Oh!”] The fact of the matter is that if the Government looked at good examples such as Huddersfield Oliver Dowden: The Government are absolutely clear University and Kirklees Council, they would see the that their principal task is to ensure the continued way in which they emphasise local and regional delivery of public services, and that is what we have procurement, which brings in jobs and wealth and ensured in respect of our strategic suppliers.