T1le.da" December, 10, 1985 Eighth Serie_, Vol. XI No. 16 Agraha,aDa 19, 1907 (Saka)

LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)

Fourth Session (Eighth >"

( Vol. Xl contains Nos. 11 to 20)

LOB: SABRA SECRETARIAT NEW " Price ; Rs. 4.00 [Original English proceed\n.~% in.c\uded in 'Eng\ish Version and Ot\g\na\ proceedings included in Hindi Version will be treated as authoritative and not the translation thereof.] CONTENTS

Eighth aeries, Volume XI, Four,th Session 198'/1907 (SAKA)

No. 16. TuesdaY. Dec""b,r 10, 19851 Atrahayan~ 19, 1907 (SakG)

Oral Answers to questions : 1-39

·Starred Questions Nos. 304, 306 to 308, 311, 314 316 to 318, 323 and 324

Written Answers to Questions :

Starred Questions Nos. 305, 309, 310, 312, 313, 315 and 319 to 322

Unstarred Questions Nos. 3204 to 3228, 3230 to 3237, 3239 to 3246, 3248 to 3311. 3313 to 3376 and 3378 to 3437

Suspension of Member ·278

(Shri IC. P. U ,rdkrishnan)

Papers Laid on the Tal' J 279 -282

Message from Rajya Sabha

University Grants Commission (Amendment) Bill, 282 As passed by Rajya Sabba Laid. on the Table

*The Sian + marked above the name of a Member indicate, tbat, the quettiOD was .etuaU)' alked OD the floor of tbe House by tllat Member. (il)

COLUMNS

Caning Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance 283-300 Delay in rehab-i) itating and provining adequate compensation to the victims of gas tragedy in .

Shri K. N. Pradhan 283

Shri R. K. Jaichandra Singh 283

Shri Jai Prakash Agrawal 290

Shri Pratap Bhanu Sharma 291

Public Accounts Committee 300

Seventeenth Report

Business Advisory Committee 300-·301

Sixteenth Report

Re ': Suspension of Member 301-312

Bills-Introduced (1) Spices Board Bill 313

(2) Spices Cess Bill 313

Matters Under Rule 377 314-319

(i) Remedial measures needed to improve environmental conditions of Firozabad town in Uttar Pradesh. 314 Shri Ganga Ram 314

(ii) Demand for a Government training Centre for competitive examinations at district of Maha- rashtra, for the benefit of tribal and backward class candidates- 314-':315

Shri Vijay N. PatiJ 314-315 (iii)

COLUMNS

(iii) Need to declare the Union Terrftory of Goa, Daman and Diu, as a full-ftedged State. . 31S Shri Shanta Ram Naik 31S

(iv) Need to increase the capacity of telephone e~han8es at JU\andara and in Mabarashtra. ·31S-316

Shri lCeshao Rao Pardh i

(;y) Nec4 to set up a committee to consider ptgvidipi proper educational facilities to the childern of' Govern- ment ctmployees posted in desert areas, snow clad relions and other difficult areas. 316-311 Shrimati Usha Thakkar 316-317

(vi) Need to set up a thermal power plant in Kerala to meet its srowina demand for power. 317

Sbri K. Mohanda. 317

(vii) Need to ensure regular supply of Cement from factories for completion of various projects under way in Bihar. 318

Shri D. P. Yadava 318

(viii) Need to preserve the Ghana Bird Sanctua ry near Bharatpur in . 318-319.

Shri Mool Chand Daga 318-319

Motion Re: Challenge of Education-A Policy Perspective 319-386

Shri P. V. Narasimha Rao 319-324

Shri P. Kolandaivelu 324-328

Shrima ti Krisbna Sahi 328-334

Shri D. P. Yadava 334-340

Sbri Jaaannath Rao

Sbri A. E. T. Barrow 345-351 . COLIJIIN.·

Sbri Dhar-am Pal Siap Malik '51-355

Shri Mahendra SiDlh 355-360

8hri BaJasabeb Vitbe Patil 360-363

Shrl Oirdhari tal Vyu .56'_374

Shrimatl SushDa Robatsl 975-380

Shri Madhusudan Vairale 310-316 LOK SABHA DEBA .. ~.

LOK SABHA help the entrepreneurs to set up industries in backward areas. Details of which are given in the Booklet "Incentives for Industries in Backward Areas" read with Tuesday, December 10, 198.5/Agrahayana 19, 190'7 (Saka) Press Note No. 14/2/83-DBA. I dated 9.4.1985, copies of which are available in the Parliament Library. The State The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock. Government are also "assisted to t~ke 'up infrastructural development in one or two identified growth centres in each [MR. S~EAKER in the Chair] 'No Industry District' and the Centre's share i~ limited to l/3rd of the total cost ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS of infrastructural development subject 10 a maximum of Rs. 2 crOfes per 'No IndustrY [Tranalation] District' " Concessions for Industries in Industrially backward Districts (b) The Backward Areas Ineentive Schemes are being implemented satisfac- -304. SHRI SHANTI DH.ARIWAL: torily by the State Governments as would Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased be evident from the folIo wing increasing to state: amounts of subsidy reimbursed under (a) whether it is a fact that Union Central Inve3.ment Subsidy Scheme and Government grant certain concessions to Transport Subsidy Scheme. States for thos'! industries which a1 e sct ------Ytar Amount (Rs. in up in the industrially backward districts; crores) if so, the details thereof; 40.00 (b) whether it is also a fac t that the 1982:83 State Governments are not following the 1983-84 53.20 instructions of the Union Government 1984-85 85.00 regarding the facilities to be provided to these industries; 1985-86 65.10 (Upto 30.11.85) (c) if so, whether due to this , the entrepreneurs are facing acute financial (c) No, Sir. crisis; and (d) Does not arise. (d) if so, the action taken by Govern- [TranJ'iat ion] ment in this ~egard 7 SHRI· SHANTI DJ-lARIWAL : Mr. Speaker. Sir, my question is whether the [EI'glish] State Governments are not foUo\\ing the instructions of the Union Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Tt:garding the facilities and subsidies to be DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND provided to the industries to be set up in PETRO.CHEMICALS (SHRf R: K. the backward districts and whether JAICHANDRA SINGH): (8) to (d) A instructions of the Central Government statement is given below. are not being followed in the matter of set utiny and sanction of subsidy at State Statement level as r.l;o disbursement of funds in (a) The Government of ofr~rs instn lmen ts ? I have not Te~ejved any a D\lQlber of incentives and concessions to reply to jt! 3 Oral A,tswers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Oral Answers at.

Incentive schemes in the backward SHRI VASANT SATHE: That is wby areas are implemented through the State we propose to examine it afresh. Governments. J want to know from the bon. Minister the amount of subsidy SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: liven to the States by the Central Govern- Examined only ? ment under the Central Investment Subsidy MR. SPEAKER : It takes a long time Scheme, the names of the industries to to examine. which it was proposed to be given by the States. the amount of subsidy actually SHRI VASANT SATHE: Mr. Speakee, · given out of it to the industries and the Sir, the question of te-examina tion co mrs balance lying with them till November? up only after some experience. THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI MR. SPEAKER : Thinking grows with VASANT SATHE) : An amount of Rs. 85 evolution. crorcs in 1984-85 and Rs. 65 crores during 1985-86 upto November was given under SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: Sir, his scheme. We have not received details Rajasthan is being discriminated against. regarding the names of the industries to A number of industries in Haryana have which this amount was given and the been given benefit by declari'~ them balance amount lying with them. 1 shall backward areas. send this information to you as soon as I SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, we arc act it. not indulging in any discrimination. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL : My second supplementary is tha t besides [English] Rajasthan, the Central Government have SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA ; Sir, the liven the benefit of subsidy to the election pledge of our Prime Minister is industries by declaring blocks also as that one large or one medium-size backward area apart from districts in other industrial unit will be set up in each of States. I want to know as to what are the 'no-industry district' of our conutry, the norms for the ideptification, of back.. May I know from the hon. Minister how ward areas and in whIch year these were many industrial units have been so far set fixed. In which year the Nationa1 up in cno-industry districts' and which are Committee on Development of Backward these districts? Areas, constituted under the Chairmanship of Shri V. Sivaraman gave the recommenda.. SHRI VASANT SATHE: There are tion that 'block' should be taken as a base 105 'no-industry districts' throughout the for the purpose of identification of country spread out in different States. If backward area and it should be recognised the hone Member wants to know about as backward area? What action is Govern- the 'no-industry districts' in each State, ment taking in this regard ? then he may please give me a notice and I will convey the information. SHRI VASANT SATHE: The entire SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : I want criteria of backward areas and that of 'no the information particularly in respect of' industry district' is being examined afresh. West Bengal. Information to this effect will be given as soon as a decision in 'this regard is taken [Trans lotion] by Government. MR. SPEAKER: That is the crux of SHRI' SHANTI DHARIWAL : Hon. the question. Minister, Sir, what I wanted to know from you was the year in which these norms SHRI RANA VIR SINGH Mr. were fixed and the year Sivaraman. Speaker, Sir, our resolve to eliminate Committee submitted its recommenda- regional imbalances in industrialisation is tions? quite old. There bas been a persistent SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, in 1983, demand in eastern Uttar Pradesh to remove this disparity so that the people of that SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL : In 1983, area could be benefited. We did not get I1ld D9W it i, 198'. ~ny industry ; w~ of ~o\lrse $ot ~ Mini3ter Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6

of State for Industry (or a few days. But (d) whether Government bave now, we neither have industry nor a finalised the new Dr ug PoJicy ? Minister of State for Industry. We Inve THE MINISTER OF ENERGY three or four sugar mills in our area; (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : (a) to (d) A Bahraich and Barabanki districts ha ve a statement is given below. lot or raw material, molasses and we want to set up a distillery there and want to Statement have a licence for tha t. I want to know from the hon. Minister whether he wan ts (a) to (d) Government have been to remove th is imbalance or not and receiving representations from various whether he will adopt a liberal attitude in quarters> including the industry associa· isIrling liCMlces if raw material is available tions such as the Organisation of there? Will the hon. Minister try to adopt Pharmaceutical Producers of India, on- a liberal po1icy for the backward various aspects of the Drug Policy such a8 districts? licensing and pricing. Government have not finalised their views on the New Drul SHRI VASANT SATHE: Which Policy. licence do you want, industrial alcohol or distillery alcohol ? SHRI H. M. PATEL: I beg to draw your attention to the reply and the SHRI RANA VIR SINGH : Alcohol. statement which is laid on the Table of the House. See, how unfair it is ? It SHRI VASANT SATHE; There are says : many restrictions in the law in respect of "(a) to (d) Government have been liquor and action can be taken according receiving representations from warious to the rules governing setting up of such quarters, including the industry distillery. If it is th~ question of industrial associations such as the Organisation alcohol, the matter can be considered of Pharmaceutical Producers of India, provided molasses in sufficient quantity is on various aspects i)f the Drug Policy avaiJable there. such as licensing and prIcIng. SHRI RANA VIR SINGH: Will you Guvernment have not finalised their adopt a liberal attitude even if it is not views on the New Drug Policy." available in sufficient quantitY.1 It is not a very long reply and each'item SHRI VASANT SATHE: Then how could bave been categorised and answered orally'and mentioned in the main reply. can we issue a licence ? If you see my question :

[English] "(a) whether it is a fact that Government propose to have a second Representation by Organisations of Pharma- look at the proposed drug policy;" ceo tical Producers of India regarding Drug Policy they couid have said, they have still not 'made up their mind. They are looking at SHRI PATEL: Will the .306. H.M. it. Minister· of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: • Regarding (b), namely, whether the Organisations of Pharmaceutical Producers (a> whether it is a fact that Govern- of India and other bodies have represen- ment propose to have a [ second look at ted to Government to make fundamental the proposed drug policy ; changes in the Drug Policy? All right, (b) whether the Organisations of they can say, they have repJied to this Pharmaceutical Producers of India (OPPI) point in affirmation. and other bodies have represented to Regarding (c), namely. if so, what are Government to make fundamental changes their main suggestIons; and whether in the Drug Policy ; Government have finalised the new Drug (c) if so, what are their majn sugges- Policy, they have not said anythins. ls tions ; alld this a fair reply ? DECEMBEIlI0. 1983 Oral Answers 7 Oral Answers

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SHRt H. M. PATEL: The hon. \ SHRI H. M. PATEL: What are their . Minister may be satisfied himself as to the1 main suggeetions ? completeness of the reply. But certainly he has not said anything worthwhile in. SHRI VASANT SATHE: As I °d and' sal bis reply. Questions aTe put in order OP' you are nghtly observing, not only that we may be enlightened. Government PI but IDMA, sma l1"sca le industries, might have studied the ,criticism of the ~here are so many organisations dealin2 l'resent drug policy. How long have you l~ phar~aceuticals. All of them ha~ been at the work of formulating a new gIven their representations and suggestions drug policy" You have not said that you and the~ are copious, jf I were to ·start intend formulating a new policy. You reproduc~ng all that. If you want~ I will have merely said in this reply "Govern.. send copies of their r~presentations. But ment have not finalised tbeir views". It you must be having thetn. They must is not clear whether you want to formulate have approached you and given the copies 'a new poiicy or not. There have been to you for your purp ose. But that does Committees appointed since 1979 or 1978 not help- It helps nobody. What we cOmmittees galore and yet, no decision is have saId ~nd we are doing, right in April, taken on their recommendations no 198~, the first report on which the drug formulation of policy, nothing. 1 would poltcy . was formulated was the Hathi be grateful if the Minister wO\lld be good C~~mlttee report in 1978. I had the enough to say what this thinking is. pnvlle~e of being a Member of that Hathi . MR. SPEAKER: If you are very Co~mlttee. That drug policy, a particular polIcy, after all, has to operate for a few curious, Me, Patel, you must have been years till you know the impact. After aware of these facts so far. It is com- we sa~ th~ experience of the Bathi Com- mittees galore! mlttee report, a fresh thinking had started even during Janata party regime SHRI H.M. PATEL: In what way~ I about the drug policy and when our want to know. My knowledge is fo r the Government came, the first thing we did knowledge of the House and, therefore. I was to appomt a National Drug and say that when in reply to a question, you Phar~~ceutical Development Council say a statement is placed on toe table of consistIng of representatives of all the House, it is assumed it is a long reply. interests, in the drug trade, in April, Here it wa s not a long answer and have 1983. In January, 1984 immediately not replied specifically to each of my working groups were formed, three working questions. You have not indicated what gr~u.ps for Planning and Development, are the main suggestions that have been Pricing and Industrial approval. These made by the Industries Association and groups gave their reports in January, 1984. you have not indicated what your reactions In August, 1984, the Steering Committee are to these suggestions. gave its report. In September 1984 again adopted the reports. ' After that, MR. SPEAKER : I do not think he NDPe the final drug policy was under considera- win divulge that information. an tion of the Consultative Committee and" SHRI H M. PATEL: He neei not various forums because there are divergent divulge anything but .. '. views. Unless that is settled, we will not be able to come to the Parliament with th e MR. SPEAKER : Why should he new drug policy. But the matter is divulge a private communication to you '1 seriously under consideration of the SHRI H. M. PATEL: He need not Government. divulge what his policy is going to - be. But he can certainly divulge when' it will SHRI H. M. PATEL: My second be finalised. question would be-l am very glad to have this exposition of the sltuation-:--wiU the. Mit. SPE.A.KER Thos~ \hin~s are Mini,ter say' that the~. are en$a,ed ll} \h~ir ~n~rn, Oral Answers Oral Answers jO

giving serious consideration and has he best way is to encourage the growth of decided upon some time-frame within which effective drugs like Rifampicin •.• he expects to complete his considera ti on and frame upon it ~ DR. V. VENKATESH: But that drug is not available. SHRI VASANT SATHE: No time- frame in terms of days and weeks or SHRI VESANT SATHE; That drua months can be given. But as I have stated has not been developed in India from the that, the WJ.Y in which we have gone about, basic stage. We have to import it and all we are very keen and we will do it very that we can do is to allow its import soon. liberally for all those who want to use the drug in this country. SHRI H.M-. PATEL: The point is, they are very much agitated about the question DR. V. VENKATESH : Importing the whether there is to be a price control or not technology or the drug? ...(Int erruptions) SHRI VASANT SATHE: Those who want can import the technology so that you MR. SPEA KER : No cross-question- can adopt it here. So,ne people are ing. trying to do it. But before you can do SHRI VASANT SATHE : All that that, you must at least get the drug so will be taken into consideration. that you can treat T.B. and leprosy. That is our policy, and we are doing it. SHRI D.N. REDDY _: Will the hon. Minister inform the House whether the In reply to an earlier question, I had Government is aware of a sudden spurt in said about decontrol of certain essential the prices of essential drugs now and then drugs. What I m~ant was, under the and if so, whether the Government will come Budget, we have delicensed some of the forwaTd with a definite price policy for essential drugs-not decontrolled. I want maintenance of stability in the prices of to correct it. essential drugs? Collaboration agreements for Development SHRI VASANT SATHE Some of of Telecom. Facilities them have price control. We have decontrolled certain essential drugs; in *307. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHB the last financial budget we have taken PATIL them out of the price control system so DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: that there can be more production and the prices can come down. Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- DR. V. VENKATESH : In this country TIONS be pleased to state : about a ten million people are suffering (a) whether a number of collaboration from tuberculosis and about four million agreements have been entered into with people are suffering from leprosy. That - some foreign countries for development of is the state of affairs in our country so far . telecom facilities; health condition is concerned. I want to know from the Government whether they (b) if so, the terms and conditions of are going to have- a new policy immediately each agreement entered into and the in the manufacturing system in order to project link-up for each ; and check these chronic diseases. The drug manufacturers are getting 300 to 400 per (c) what are the financial tie-ups and cent profit. Why is Government. stlent '1 when the projects will go into production? They are only saying that they are considering very seriously. This is a THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE serious matt~r. I want to know from the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Government whether they are going to do (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes it immediately or not. Sir. • SHRI VASANT SATHE: As far as (b) and (c) Statement I, II and III are tuberculosis and leprosy arc concerned, the given below. it Oral Answers DE("'EMBER 10. 1985 Orai Answe,·s

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(Translation] , region fuU of forests. Besides, the satellite SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: system is also being used in metr opoJitaa Mr. Speaker, sir, from the statements it cities like Delhi, Bombayand Calcutta. appears that collaboration agreements have We have our own INSAT-I B and other been entered into with a number of available sateIlites which we are using. countries such as Japan, Italy, France, Our effort is to make maximum use of etc. and credit has also been provided for these satellites for the· remote areas where this. But. there seems to be no improve- we have to _face a lot of difficulties to ment in our telephone system; we are reach with the help of other means of still carrying on with the same old system. communications. First of all, I want to know as to how many of these collaboration agreements SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: have been entered into with the public Mr. Speaker, Sir, with reference to the sector industries and how many of recent agreements for the manufacture of them are with the private sector electronic telephone instruments in colla- industries. When in spite of all these boration with Japan, Italy, West Germany collaborations, the telephone system in and Sudan, I want to know the time by . our country has not become efficient, is which the production of Push Button ther~ some provision in each of these Telephones will commence. The other collaboration agreements to have wireless thing which I want to know is as to how telephone system and satellite communica- much minimum share in the matter of tion system with a view to bring efficiency new telephone facility out of all these in the telephone system and to provide projects wil1 go to the rural areas during increasing telephone facilities in the rural the Seventh Five Year Plan? areas 'l If so, how are you going to SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Sir, increase telephone facilit ies in the the hoo. Member has asked about the villages 1 Push Button telephone. 10 Puplic Sector SHRI RAM.NIWAS MIRDHA: Sir, industries and 30 Private Sector industries The statements clearly show the number of have been given licences for this purpose. agreements entered into with the Indian As I have stated in the statement also, Telephone Industries; with the Hindustan three types of techniques have been Teleprinters and with our department as also approved for it and they have been issued whether the agreements have been entered licences. They can use any of these three with the private sector or public sector. techniques. As regards the general question asked by him that in spite of all this, Sir, so far as the extension of telephone there has been no improvement in our facilities in th e rural areas is concerned. telephone system and by when the satellite we had formulated a comprehensive plan system will be introduced in the conn try , under which it had been envisaged that by this has been discussed in this Hous e a the end of the Seventh Plan, there should number of times. I have also replied to be no place throughout the country at a the questions that all efforts are being distance of more than 5 lans. from a made within the resources available with public telephone. But this target of ours our department to improve the telephone wilt not be possible to achieve now. system. But going by the size of alloca- Apart from this, it was also decided to tion given to our Departmen t during the link all district headq uarters with the· Seventh Five Year Plan, we are likely to State Government headquarters/Capital end up with a sizable cut in our ambitious with a dependable communication system projects and it will take sometime to and also to provide S.T.D. facility there. provide a satisfactory telephone.... system to For that \\e had made pr ovision in the the hon. Members. However, it will be plan. but we did not get allocation our endeavour to improve the telephone according to that provision and hence it system. had to be abandoned. But in spite of So far as the question of satellite that we are giving priority to linking system is concerned, Sir, we are using other places of a State with its capita) with satellite system even today, especially in a proper comm\lnication link, whether it is our North-Eastern region which is a billy throuah wireloss or throuah other system Oral Answers Oral Answers 24

so that at least they could have direct sion and the improvement of service would l!nk~, Besides, we also propose to carry be affC<:led to tha t extent. _.. . this facility to other rural areas where it is not available at present. The hon. Member mentioned about various offers regarding expansion of Sir, you yourself know that even in teleCOln facilities. We are receiving from [ural areas, there are such places where ~ foreign countries a large number of offers, this facility is needed most such as Mandis most of them unsolicited, saying th~t they where they for economic reasons. need it can invest large SUln5 of money and on They want to know the price trends of credit etc. etc. Our policy is not to allow agricultural conlmodities such as cummin- unrestricted import of technology. In the seed, turmeric and wheat. Therefore, the telecom sector we are selective in the sense people are very eager to have this facility. that some we want to manufacture our- The hone Members ale of the view that selves and some we want to test before we this facil ity should be extended to rural go in for that. Therefore, it is not possible areas and the Government will make all to avail those offer. Those who are serious possible efforts to do so. have been allowed to compete in the open tender for our various requirements and [English] if they come up by way of quality and economic viability we would be happy to DR KRUPASINDHU BHOI: The consider them. hone Minister has given a rosy picture and he reeled out so many names in regard to Sir, as regards earlier question Sblth collaboration with foreign companies. Plan allocation was Rs. 2336 crores and utilisation Rs. 2721 crores. MR SPEAKER: You would have been happy with a gloonlY one! [Translation] DR KRUPASINDHU BHOI: The SHRI D. P. YADAV : Mr Speaker, Sir, Minister has replied to my hon. friend it has been asked in part (a) of the that he ha~ made a concrete proposal to question: give telephone facilities within 5 km of every village. But I want to know from [English] the hon. Minister as to what is the total "whether a number of collaboration amount of money allotted in the Sixth agreements have been entered into with Five Year Plan and whether all the money some foreign countries for development had been spent or not. If not, why not? of telecom facilities." Secondly, the Prime Minister and the hon. Minister have visited many places like [Translation] USA, Germany, Canada, Ja.:'an and they have received so many offers on easy term I would like to know from the hone loans. I would like to know why the Minister whether, Government want to Ministr), is not exploring these possibilities import software and hardware for to combat the difficulties in fulfilling the telecom facilities and want to set Five Year Plan proposals. It win at least up an industry fo r that ~ If it is proposed give some relief from the constraint of to set up a factory, whether priority will funds diflku\ty. be given to a backward State like Bihar also for setting up a te\ecom factory SHRI RA.M NIWA.S MIRDHA.: Sir, there '1 in the Sixth P~an we spent about Rs. 2400 crores and in some sectors like transmission SHRl RAM NIWAS MIRDHA ~ So etc. we spent much more than what was allo- far as Bihar is concern~d, licences have cated under the Plan. As regards Seventh be~n sought by the Industrial Devel'opment Five Year Plan we had asked and the Plann- Corporations of a number of State Govern- ing Commission hau at one stage in their ments and, 1 understand, Bihar might also working group agre\,;u to the allocation of be one of them. If they are anx.ious in 'R.s. 11,000 crores in the Seventh Plan but th is field, we arc ready to extend our full that amount has now been reduced to cooperation to them. So far as the lls. 4010 crores and, therefore, the expan- question of settina up a factory by Govern- 2S Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 19. 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answe"s 2G

ment is .concerned, it has not been con- facture of 1 tonne, MIs. Hindusta~ Ciba sidered so far. Geigy for the m~nufacture of 12 tonnes, Mis. Cadita Labs. for 10 tonnes, MIs. [Eng' ish] Curewel (I) Ltd. for 10 tonnes and MIs. Alembic Chemicals for the manufacture of SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER: Sir, in 20 t'onnes. There are four countries which the statement laid on the Table the second are s"pecialising in this. They are : Italy, digital electronic factory to be set-up in Pharmachim, Sophia, Bu1garia, Chong does not find a place. May I Kum Dang Corporation, South Korea and know whether GClvernment has taken Ciech Pol fa, Poland. These are the main decision in the matter or will it meet the countries which are manufacturing this same fate as the first Digital electronic drug. factory which was decided to be set-up in Banga]ore but was later shifted to U.P. ? SHRI M. RAGlIUMA REDDY: What steps are taken by the Governn1ent to pro- SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Sir, pagate extensively this drug? the second digital e1ectronic factory does not find a place because we have not yet .SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH: entered into agreement with respect to that Sir, it has been recently reported as also factory. The rna tter is under considera- in the newspapers about this drug. MIs. tion. Themis Pharmaceuticals in India have been able to manufacture this drug. But they New Anti-T. B. Drug are not yet a commercial producer. The *308. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY : commercial production has not started. SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO: This is the usual yardstick.. Once they start manufacture, then they come to us Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be for price fi.'":.ation and we can give as much pleased to stat~ : help as possible.

(a) whether attention of Government SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA: has been drawn to the newsitem appearing WHI the hon. ~finister kindly let us know in the TIindustan Times dated 19 October~ the total number of deaths because of TB ? 1985 under the heading "Vita) TB drug developed in India" and SHR[ R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH: I don't have the figures for this at the (b) if so, how far it has been proved moment. successful in er'adicating TB ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Setting Uil of Tbermal Power Station in DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Kanya Kumari, Tamil Nadu PETROCHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. JAI- *311. SHRI N. Dl:.NNIS : Will the CHANDRA SINGH) : (a) Yes. Sir. Minister of ENERGY be pleased to (h) The drug referred to in the press state: report is Rifampicin which is already being (a) whether the Union Government used in the country for the treatment of propose to open a 1'hern'\a\ Power Station T. B. in Kanya Kum;)ri District of Tamil Nadu: SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: Sir~ I would like to know from the hone (b) if so, whc ther ~ny survey is being Minister the name of the companies which undertaken in this connect ion ; and are manufacturing this drug in India 2S wen as abroad and whether the Govern- (c) if S0. the details thereuf '1 ment is aware of tne importance of this THE M1N1SER OF STATE IN THE. drug. DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH: ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) It Sir, in India, we have given licence to is not ploposed to set up a thermal H.A.L. for man\lfacture of 1S.S tonnes, {'ower station in the Central Sector in MIs Therni$ Pharmaceutical$ for the manu .. Kanya Kun1ari district. 27 Oral Answers DECEMBER. 10, 1985 Oral AnSlHrs

(bl and (c) Do not arise. Educated and un·educated unemployment is very high there._ SHRI N. DENNIS : Sir, the Chief Engineer of Tamil Nadu Electricity Board May I know from the hon. Minister and other. authorities have conducted on- whether these aspects will be taken into the-spot study regarding the feasibility of consideration as additional fav -urable a Thermal power project at Rajakkaman- points for setting up of a thermal 'power galam of Kanya Kumar i District. project at Rajakkamanglam in - Kanya Suitable site has also been identified, which Kunlari d lstrict ? is a government land. Previously it was SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: used for salt manufacture a n4 now this When the proposal comes to us, we will land bas been kept idle for this purpose. take all these aspects into consider ation. It appears that the authorities are fully satisfied with the proposed site for setting SHRI P. KOLAND-AIVELU : In India up a thermal power plant at Rajakkaman- except in one 01 two States in almost all plam in Kanya Kumari district. May I the States, there is a power constraint, know from -the hon. Minister whether any Power is the main important input for an proposal has been received by the industry and according to our Industrial Government in this regard and any Policy also, without power we cannot representation bas also been received install any industry at all. We are going from the public in this regard? I would for mechanised industries and not labour- also like to know whether the Government oriented industries. Thermal power is would re-examine its decision and come always costlier than the hydel power. We forward to set up a thermal power plant in have exhausted all sources with regard to Kanya Kumari district. hydel power. If we go in for thermal power, the cost of production wilJ be SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: more. I think, there is a scheme for Sir, the Central Electricity Authority has using sea water to generate energy as also not received any proposal so far from the use the water fl)l' drinking purpJses. I Tamil Nadu Electricity Board for setting wou Id 1ike to know whether the Govern- up a power plant in Kanya Kumari ment is going to -implement such a District or for techno-economic clearance scheme. by the C.E.A. However, the Tamil Nadu Electricity Board is exanlJnmg the THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI possibility of locating a thermal power VAS O\NT SATHE) : It is true that while project at Kanya Kumari. There, they considering the various sources of energy have undertaken survey for locating and in the non-conventional area, there is an investigating a suitable si te for a thermal idea of usiug sea tide also as a source to power station with an initial capacity of help generation of energy like the wind or 2 X 210 megawatts and ultimate capacity of other sources. But technologically, it has 5 X 210 megawatts near Colachel in Kanya not yet been fully estabHshed as to how it K.umari District where a port facility is can be economical to generate power, but proposed to be developed. At the moment efforts are being made to study the the port facility proposed to be developed available technology and experience does not exist there. If there is any abroad as also in our country. We will proposal, then it is with the Tamil Nadu definitely see how far we will be able to Electricity Board and nothing has come utilise this source for generating energy. to the Central Electricity Authority or the We wan! to tap every sou{ce possible. Central Government so far. SHRI N. DENNIS : Sir, the place [Trans la t ion] referred to earlier is an ideal place for Linking of Lucknow with Ayodhya by setting up a thermal power project. All . S.T.D. the infrastructural facilities are there. *314. SHRI NIRMAL KHATTRI : Nearne,s to the Colechel harbour and Win the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS railway station and other circumstances be pleased to state : , greatiy favour the setting up of a thermal project there. This distr!ct is classified (a) whether Government propose to as all io.4U$tria 11)' backward di$tr~ct. link Lucknow with Ayodbya Telephone Oral A"sw,rs AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA.) Oral Answ6rs 30

Exchange (Uttar Pradesh) throu&h S.T.D. exchange as also S.T.D. facility, but there and is a suggestion to improve it. We shall certainly consider the suggestion given by (b) if so, when? the hon. Member

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE [English] .. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and Viability of Engineering Projects (India) (b) . Due . to limitation of resources, Limited priority is being given to connect District *316. SHRI AJIT KUMAR SAHA : Headquarters to Sta te Capitals. There is SHRIANANDAPATHAK: no plan at present to link Lucknow with Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Ayodhya Telephone Exchange through pleased to state : S.T.D. SHRI NIRMAL KHATTRI : Sir, I (a) whether Government have received think it will not be proper to keep any proposal from the employees union Ayodhya, the city of Lord Rama, so low regarding viability of Engineering in the list of priorities. Mahatma Projects (India) Limited, a public sector enterprise ; Gandhi had aimed at establishing Ram RaJya. lCeeping in view the importance of (b) if so, the details of the said pro- this city as also my request for linking posal ; and Ayodhya Ex-change with Lucknow and Delhi, will the hone Minister consider (c) the reaction of Government modernisation of this Exchange ? thereto? SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Sir, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE there is one Exchange in Ayodhya at DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND present having a capacity of 100 lines of PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. which only 61 lines are working and there JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) is no waittng list. If devotees of Rama Engineering Projects (India) Limited are anxious, they can get telephone con- Employees Union have given suggestions to nections. the Government for improving the SHRI NIRMAL KHATTRI: Sir, I viability of the Company, which include had raised this question keeping in view recovery of advances being shown as losses, the convenience of the tourists visiting this appointment of a regular Chief Executive, place. action against corrupt" officials and running the Company on a new footing. My second supplementary is that a While taking a final decision on certain decision to convert Faizabad Telephone proposals for restructuring of the Company Exchange, which is the district headquarter which are under consideration, Govern- of Ayodhya city, into electronic exchange ment will give due consideration to the was taken recently, but it has come to my suggestions made by the Engineering notice that that decision is now being Projects (India) Ltd. Employees Union. teversed. Therefore, I would request and like to know, through you, Sir, that what SHRI AJIT KUMAR SAHA: May I is the present position and by when the know from the Minister whether any proposed, electronic exchange would be inquiry has been ordered into the losses installed there '1 of the EPI and also against the corrupt officials, as demanded by the Engineering MR SPEAKER : Let us accede to the Projects (India) Limited's Employees request. Union? SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA: Mr. THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI Speaker, Sir, the bon. Member has asked VASANT SATHE) : As far as the losses about Ayodhya and Faizabad, the city of are concerned. the matter il beinl Lord Rama and he bad also met me. This inquired into and as soon as we are able is a fact that Faizabad is a district to identify the people concernedt suitable \l9'dquarte~. l~ h~, ~ l\utO\D~t i~ telepboll~ a~tion will 1)e t\\l\eu, 31 DBCEMBER 10, 1985 Oral An.Jwers 32

SHRI AJIT KUMAR SAHA: May 1 State Govel nlnent, or any private organisa- know from the hon. Minister whether tion, or any cooperative organisation the employees of the State-owned EPT comes forward to start such an industry. have proposed to take over this sick we will definitely consider ·it. company as a cooperative venture to ensure its viability? 1f so, what is the SHRI A.J.V.B. MAHES'WARA RAO: reaction of the Government? Private members have sent so many representations to the hone Minister, bu"t SHRI VASANT SATHE: Employees no licences are issued. As many applica- have made various proposals. But the tions have aJready been sent to the question of employees' taking over will Minister t may I know whether he would also involve financing etc. and the immediately sanction the licence to put a viability of the project itself. All these coir industry in this area ? matters, as I have said in my written . SHRI VASANT SATHE: I do not statement, will be taken into account wh!n know as to whiCh application he is a final decision is taken. referring to. Applications are 'examined and jf found viable, we will definitely . Setting up of Coir Industry at consider the matter. in (A.P.) MR. SPEAKER : Vasantji, invite him *317. SHRI A. J. V. B. MAHESWARA to your office .. RAO : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY SHRI VASANT SATHE: You caD be pleased to state : come and meet the M"inister of Industry• • (a) whether Government have received any applications for starting eoir industry [Trans lat ion] at Konaseema in East Godavari district in SHRI G. BHOOPATHY : Mr. Speaker, ; Sir, I have to ask you a question.

(b) if so, when Government propose to MR. SPEAKER: Of me? Yes, you start the coir industry there; and may. SHRI G. BIIOOPATHY : The moment (c) whether there is any proposal to the clock strikes 12. you leave the House start this industry by Government them- for your Chamb.!f, but the hone selves as a large quantity of coconuts is Ministers say 'yes' to 'yes' and 'no' to produced in this district 1· 'no' before 12'0 clock. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MR. SPEAKER : I remain very much DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND here; I do not go anywhere. I, am at PETRO CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. " your service both here as well as there. JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. SHRI G. BHOOPATHY: But in reply (b) Does not arise. to the questions asked thereafter, they say 'no' to even 'yes'. (c) No, Sir. MR. SPEAKER: In future, you ask SHRI A.J.V.B. MAHESWARA RAO: only such questions whose answers are all Just like Kerala, this area is also mainly . 'yea'. producing coconuts. There is no industry by the Central Government in this area. [English] So, I want to know from the hon. Minister whether there is any proposal in Capacity utilisation of Power P laots in Public Se(tor vis-a-vis Private Sector the Seventh Plan; to set up a coir industry in Konaseema region. . *318. DR. A.IC. PATIL : SHRi"C. JANGA REDDY: THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI VASANT SATHE): I have al~eady said Will the Minister of ENERGY be that ther~ is qo proposal. But if tbe pleased to 'Stat~ ; 33 Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers 34

(a) the average capacity utilisation for 4 hours a day and it is not possible (P.L.F.) of power plants in the puh1ic for them to do farmina in a better way. sector as compared to the capacity uti) isl.. Therefore, I would like to know from the tion in the private sector; hon. Minister. because in Gujarat .. every other day, some power generation set goel (b) the steps being taken to improve out of order relulting in acute crisis. I the performance of State EJectricity would like to know from the hon. Minister Boards; and whether any special pJan is there for (c) whether sub-standard equipments.. Gujarat to improve this position of power supplies? in-maintenance and irregularities in the purchase of coal are also responsible for SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: tbe low performance of public sector power Sir. presently Gujarat has 300 MW of plants? Hydro-capacity , and 2800 MW of thermal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE capacity, which comes to 3100 MW.. DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARlF Gujarat also has a share in the Central MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) During Sector Projects and is also receiving electri- April-November, 1985, the average plant city from . The allocation load factor of thermal stations in the for the Seventh Plan has been made public sector was about 50% as against keeping In view the demand of these States 55.6% of Private Sector thermal plants. and we hope that by the end "of the Seventh Plan, all these shortages will be reduced (b) To improve the efficiency of the considerably. Electricity Boards, various measures in- cluding introduction of better management DR. A.IC. PATEL: I would like to practices, training of personnel, improve- know about the highest capacity utilisation ment in the operational practices, expedit- of public sector and private sector. ing commissioning of on~going projects and SHRI ARIP MOHAMMAD KHAN: reduction of transmission and distribut'ion You mean the plant load factor of various losses are being implemented. In addition, thermal stations. This is not a correct a programme of renovation and modernisJ.- impressi_on that all the power stations in tion of thermal stations h~s been intro- the private sector are having better plant duced. load factor than the thermal stations in (c) Deficiencies in equipments, unsatis- in the public sector. It is true that some factJry maintenance' and high ash content thermal power stations in the pubI ic sector, of coal have also contributed to PLF of especially in four States, the plant load thernlal power stations not increashg to factor is not very good and is much below the requisite level. the national average. But at the same time many power projects in the public DR. A K. PATEL: The reply to my sector are doing extremely well and their question Part 'b' is round about. Last performance is comparable with any power night, I had been to Gujarat and I found project in the private sector, as can that there is an acute crisis in the power be seen .from the following figures about supplies. The farmers get powers hardly the percentage of PLF :

Station 1982-83 1983-84 1984-85 1985-86 Public Sector April-November

1. Vijaywada 79.1 84.2 77.4 86.6 Singrauli 2. 64.2 55.7 59.3 64.8 3. Neyveli 73.0 74.2 77.2 71.1 4. ParH 75.3 69.9 74.2 87.4 $. Dhuvaran 75,0 69.Q 66,,2 54.0 Oral Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Oral Answers 36

Private Sector 1. Elec. Co. (T) 68.7 7S.6 71.4 64.5 2. Tata Electric COlnpanies (T) 7S.1 7S.1 65.7 51.9 3. Calcutta EJec. Supply Corporation (T) 57.6 52.7 59.9 54.8 So likewise. ---_._--- My point was that the power projects in MR SPEAKER: Question 319: Mr.. the public sector are -doing equally well, Yazdani is not here; Question 320-Mr. rather better than the projects in the Mandal is absent ; question 32t-Mr& private sector. Mavani is absent; Question 322 Mr. B V. Desai is not here. Now Quest ion 323- SHRI ANAND GAJAPATHI RAJU: Mr. Banwari Lal Purohit. The Minister just mentioned that the load factor in Andhra Pradesh was high. In Coal reserves at and Patansaongi view of this, would the Minister consider Blocks of District sanctioning some mo;-e projects there 'l *323. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased SHRI ARIF MOfIAMMAD KHAN: to state: If any proposals come, they will be examined by the C. E. A., and they will be (a) whether huge reserves of coal have cleared according to the needs of the been found at Saoner and Patansaong: State. blocks of in Mahqrashtra ;

. (b) if so~ the progress of mining in SHRI CH[NTAMANI PANIGRAHI: the said coal belt ; and While appreciating the position indicated by the Minister that the p1ant toad factor (c) the steps taken by the Government in public sector projects is higher, I would for speedy mining in those areas ? like ,.,10 know whether he is aware that the capacity utilization of Ta1cher power plant is THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI only 42%. It was 1ess before. Now it is 42~~. VASANT SATRE): (a) The coal reserve Is this so because of poor maintenance, in Saoner block has been assessed at 110 supply of coal or machinery ~ Have the million tonnes under proved category and reasons for this been enquired into, and 141 million tonnes under indicated cate- the defects rectified, . to improve the gory. The coal reserve in Patansaongi position "I block has been estimated at 36 million tonnes under proved category. SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: (b) and (c) At present there are seven The hon. Member is right. The plant load approved projects in coalfield factor of the Ta1cher plant of the Orissa which includes Saoner and Patansongi 'State Electricity Board is much below the blocks. The expected production from national average. these projects in 1985-86 is 1. 84 mi11 ion PROF N. G. RANOA: Why? tonnes, which is likely to be increased to 2.85 million tonnes by 1989-90. In addition, SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: two more projects have been identified for There are various factors. I have listed formula tion and proposed to be c0mmis- the factors responsible "for the PLF not "ioned in 1989-90 yielding a production of coming to the requisite level. At the same 0.05 m. tonnes. time, we are in touch with the State I Trans.'ation] electricity authorities. We are extending them all possible, necessary help so that SHRI BANWARI" LAL PUROHIT: tbe PLF can be realized. Mr. Speaker, Sir, before I ask supple· 37 Oral Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Oral Answers 38 mentaries, I would like to know from the specifically about Saonar and Patansaongi hone Minister that my question was and I should get a reply to this question. regarding Saoner and Patansaongi bl ,): ks SHRI V ASANT SATHE: All right. to which he has replied ; I am giving the reply. In 1985-86, 0.98 million tonnes and in 1989-90 0.09 million [English] tonnes of coal will be mined in "At present there are seven approved Patansaongi. projects in which SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: includes Saoner and Patansaongi Sir, there must be a definite policy of the blocks. The expected production from Government, but it has not been spelt out. these projects in 1985 .. 86 is 1.84 million There are 500 million tonnes of coal tonnes, ...... " reserves in the district and the Government might have fixed an yearly target to [Translation] exploit it. How will you manage to Therefore, I want to know whether this eXiploit it at this speed? I want to know figure is for seven projects or for Saoner from the hone Minister as to what is the and Patansaongi alone? policy of the Government '1 SHRI V ASANT SATHE: It includes MR. SPEAKER : He has already told all. you about the quantum.

SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: I SHRI VASANT SATHE: The policy had specifically asked about Saoner and of the Government is to exploit more and Patansaongi blocks and the han. Minister more coal ; as much as possible. Too has given the figures about all the seven much target would prove futile. projects. I want to know the quantum of MR. SPEAKER: Speaking of coal, production in Saoner and Patansaongi bad association is bringing bad nanle. blocks during 1985-86 ? (Engli!h] [Fnglish] SHRI K. S. RAO: With the huge SHRI VASANT SATHE: The coal stock of coal availabe in the country~ reserve in Patansaongi bas been estimated what are the reasons for the government at 36 n1illion tonnes under proved cat< gory. to import coal from other countries there- by wasting foreign exchange? [Translatioll] SHRI VASANT SATHE: We are Now the mining of coal out of this importing only coking coal required for 36 million tonnes of proved reserves will' steel industry, and because we are short of depend on the quantum and speed of work the good quality of coking coal with less that will be put there. I do not have exact ash content, we import only that m~h figures for Patansaongi right now. which is essential for our steel industry ..

SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Mr. Coal Reserves in Madhukunda area of Speaker, Sir, my question was that there Purulia District (West Bengal) was no progress in Saoner and Patansaongi in spite of the fact that huge reserves of *324. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: coal are availab1e there. The hon. Minister Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased has put the reserves at 36 million tonnes, to state: but according to the official publication (a) whether a large reserve of coal has which I have got with me, the reserves a f0 been found in Madhukunda area of estimated at 90 million tonnes. The people Purulia District (West Bengal) and Geolo- from these two blocks had come to us gical Survey of India has also submitted with the demand that enlployment should its report thereon; be provided to the local people there and the coal reserves he harnessed. It was (b) if so, whether Government propose because of this that I had put a question to start any projects in the area; and 39 Oral Answers DECEMBBR" to , 1985 WrItten Answers 40

(c) if so, when ? tion of coal. In view of this, why do the ?ovc:rnment n,ot undertake any new pro.. THE MINISTER OF ENERGY lect In the area because already it has been (SHRI VAS~NT SATHE): (a) Based on stated that 293 million tonnes of coal regional drilling done so far, reserves the ~eserves are there and we are now prod uc.. of 293 million tonnes of coll have been lng only 147 million tonnes? So, I want estimated to occur in Madhukunda area. to know from the hone ~1inister, why the "No detailed drilling to establIsh "proved" Government do not want to start any new reserves has been carried out so far. mining project in the area ,n view of the (b) and (c) Thare is no proposal to aim of the Oovernrn en t to increase the ltart any mining project to expJoi t the production of coal in our country. above coaJ reserves. " SHRI VASANT SATHE: We have a SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: The coal ~arge programme of star ting of coal Inining which bas been found in Madhukundu area In West Bengal. Substantial investment is in the District of Purulia \West Bengal) is proposed, provided other facilitks like Irade on equality of coal, that is coking coal; labour conditions, availability of land and we are importing coking coal for our steel all these are made available, then we will plants. In view of this, do the government have sufficient coal in West Bengal. propose to undertake any detailed drilling MR. SPEAKER: Question Hour is lo find out the exact quantity of reserve of over. coal in that particular area ?

SRRI V ASANT SATHE: Geological WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS Survey of Ind ia has informed that [English] Madhukunda block in the western part of Raniganj, Coalfield in Purulia District of Setting up of The~Amll Pa ,ver Sta tions West Bangal, had been explored by erst- by N.T.P.C. while Indian Bureau of Mines and later by National Coal Development Cor- *305. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT : poration and, as I SJid, a reserve of 280 SHRI NITYANANDA MISHRA : million tonnes were estimated in lvtadhu- Will the Minister of ENERGY be kunda block and 39 6'1 mill ion to ones in pleased to state : West of Madhukunda block. In.early seven- ties. OSI had explored Porabila bluck of (a) whether National Thermal Power Raniganj and there also they found a Corporation has taken steps to set up ther- reserve (. f i3L6~ million tonncs. GSI have mal power stations in tile country. ,. informed that these figures may be confir- (b) if so, the number of thermal power from Ltd. have in- med CIL. stations set up by NTPC so fa r ; formad that based on the regional drilling done by GSI in 5 boreholes in Madhu- (c) the location and capacity of those kunda block during 1957 -60 and later by thermal power stations ; and mM, a total of 293 million tonnes of coal reserves were estimated No detailed drill- (d) how many of those thermal power . ins in Madhukunda block in the 7th Plan stations nave started power generation? period. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE The elL have further informed that a DEPARTMENT OF POWER . (SHRI' total of 32 boreholes were drilled in a rea of ARlF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : 56 sq. km. but the drilling in the CSR was (a) to (d) The National Thermal Power stopped further due to slump in th~ coal Corporation (NTPe) have been entrusted demand. Based on the regional nature 0f with the setting up of Super thermal power drilling carr~ed on in this area, today, there stations at Singrau)i (S X 200 MW +2 X SOO is DO ,possibility of carrying on any further MW) in District Mirzapur, Uttar Pradesh; exerc~ on coaJ mining. ~robu(3 X 200 MW +3 X 500 MW) in District Bilaspur, Madbya Pradesh; Ramagundam SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA; Sir, (3 X 200 MW + 3XSOO MW) in district QovcrDJDent want t9 increase the poduc- Karimnapr. Andbra Pradesh; farakk$ Written 'Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 4i

(3X200 MW) in District Murshidabad, (b) if so, the decision taken in the West Bengal; Vindhyachal (6 X 210 MW) matter; and in District Sidhi, ; Rihand (2 X 500 MW) in District Mirzapur, Uttar (cj whether Government have ascertained Pradesh and Kahalgaon (4 X 210 MW) in the views of other important organisations District Bhagalpur, Bihar. like Bar Councils and Bar Associations on this recommendation? Five units af 200 MW each at Sing- rauli, three units of 200 MW each at THE MINISTER OF LAW AND Korba and three units of 200 MW each at JUSTICE (SHRI A.K. SEN) : (a) and (b) Ramagundam have been commissioned so Government have considered the Law far and are under operation. Commission's suggestion for bifurcation of the Supreme Court and creation Allotment of Molasses and Alcohol of a separate Constitutional Court as contained in its 95th Report .on *309. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN "Constitutional Division within the DAS MUNSI : Will the Minister of Supreme Court-a proposal for". INDUSTR Y be pleased to state: Implementation ot the suggestions made by the Law Commission would involve (a) whether Government have finalised restructuring of the Supreme Court, which norms for allotment of molasses and would necessitate amendment of the alcohol from surplus states to deficit Constitution and the laws. The Supreme states; Court has expressed itself against the (b) if so, the details thereof; and bifurcation of tbe Supreme Court. The Government has not yet been able to (c) the steps taken/proposed to meet accept the suggestion. the requirements of industries in West Bengal for molasses and alcohol'? (c) Government have not, therefore, felt it necessary to ascertain the views of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Bar Councils and Bar Associations on DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND this suggestion. PETROCHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) The norms for allocation of molasses and Allotment of gas for Sponge Iron Plants ia Gujarat alcohol for the cur rent alcohol year 1985-~6 (December, 1985-November, 1986) would *312. SHRI D.P. JADEJA: Will the be decided by the Central Molasses Board Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL in its next meeting which is likely to take GAS be pleased to state: place sometime in January/February, 1986. Pending this, adhock allocations for the (a). whether the Gujarat Electricity months, of December, 1985 and January, Board has sought allotment of gas for use 1986 are being made. in sponge iron plants;

The facility of duty free import of (b) if so, the action taken thereon; industrial alcohol (Denatured) for actual and users (industrial) including those in West Bengal has been extended upto 31st March, (c) the measures being taken to anot 1986. adequate gas for use in sponge iron plants in Gujarat '? Bifurcation of Supreme Court *310. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE SINHA: Will the Minister of LAW AND MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND JUSTICE be pleased to state : NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) The Govern- (a) whether the Law Commission's ment of Gujarat have requested the suggestion for bifurcation of the Supreme Ministry of Petroleum and Natura) Gas Court and creation of a separate~ con- for allocation of 0.50 million cubic metres stitutional court, has been considered by per day of natural gas for its prop0se4 Government ; sponge-iron project; Written AlISWers .Written Answers

(b) and (c) The Government of C1}tlllslatlon) Oujarat have been informed that taking Deterioration in Telephone Services in into consideration the present and pro- Uttar Pradesh. jected production of natural gas from Bombay High and South Bassein by Oil ·315 SHR[ RAJ KUMAR RAI: Will and Natural Gas Commission, and the the'Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be supplies being made tbe supplies already pleased to state: committed on a regular basis to consumers (a) whether Government are aware in priority sectors for their future that telephone services have deteriorated requirements, supply of gas on a regular in Azamgarh, Gorakhpuf. Oazipur, Deoria, basis to their proposed sponge-iron plant. BaHia and districts of Uttar does not appear to be r~sible at present. Pradesh ; and

Competition among Cottage, Small Scale and (b) the action taken or proposed to Large Industries be taken to improve the telephone services in the above districts? *313. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS pleased to state : (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) and (b) During the last months of August, (a) whether it is a fact that due to September and October, 1985, there has unequal competitions between cottage been improvement in the effective industries, smaH scale industries and large percentage of trunk calls in a11 the 6 scale industries the decentralised sector districts towns. As regards complaints suffers considerably; and and fau1 ts in the local telephone service, there has been improvement in Azamgarh, (b) if so, whether Government propose Deoria and Varanasi. In BaHia, there is to implement in a phased manner the no change. policy of preventing manufacture in small All efforts are being made to further scale sector tbose commodities which can improve the telephone services in aU the be produced in cottage industry sector and abovt districts by monitoring' and taking preventing manufacture in large scale remedial actions at various levels. sector of those commodities which can be produced in small scale sector? [English]

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Introduction of digital version of Ultra DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND High Frequency Equipment PETRO CHEMICALS (SHKI R.K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) ·319. DR. GOLAM YAZDANI Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Cottage, small scale and large scale be pleased to refer to the reply given to industries sectors form important segments Unstarred Question .No. 6404 on 14 May, of the Indian economy. While each cf regarding setting up of Ultra High them bas its own role to play in the 1985 Frequency System at Balurghat of West development of the economy J they are, to Dinajpur (West Bengal) and state : a large extent, inter-dependent. The policy frame, therefore, has to provide for (a) whether digital version of UHF simultaneous and complementary develop- equipment is much costlier than analogue ment of these sectors 80 that all of them version of UHF equipment ; improve their economic performance. Keeping this in view, certain items have (b) if so, the difference in their cost; been reserved for manufacture in the small (c) the reasons for introducing this scale sector. Further. 26 industries have new system in spite of financia1 been selected for promotion by the Khadi constraints; and Village Industries Commission. Special Tax concessions, lower rate of . (d) ~ whether digital UHF system will interes.ts, etc:, have been provided to meet the remunerativeness of a project, the anall and cottage sectors. particularly in small capacity side routes Written A'nswers' AORAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers

of the States where even the local fast and the Project is expected to be .exchange net works are nof of electronic commissioned by July, 1987 • type; and (c) The project was sanctioned in July, (e) if so, whether such projects for 1980 at an estimated cost of Rs. 4CJ.27 side trunk routes will get special sanction crores. The .escalation in cost due to as loss schemes ? delays is being assessed. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF TflE (d) The supply of gas would start MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION after the plant is commissioned in July, (SHRI RA.M NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and 1987. (b) No, Sir, the cost per Channel of Digital UHF equipment is comparable. Revamping of Small and Cottage Industries

(c) Digital network provides more *321. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMABEN reliable and cost effective telecommunica- RAMJIBHAI MAV ANI :. Will the tion service. Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to (d) Digital UHF combined with state: digital switching pro'vides the roost cost (a) whether a number of decisions and effective solutions. Digital transmission steps have been taken to revamp small system . even purely analogue areas are and cottage industrial organisations If? a~,;., also more cost effective. to improve, the efficiency and co~ (e) Projects for connecting District tiveness and to boost production for'tbe' Headquarters are being sanctioned needs of the coun try as well as for without the profit and loss consideration. export ; (b) if so, what are such decisions, Coal based Coking Gas Project at Dankuni (West Bengal) steps taken and guideJ ines issued in the matter; *320. SHRI SAN AT KUMAR MANDAL : Will the Minister of ENERGY (c) the response given by various be pleased to state : Government, semi-Government and private units thereto; and (a) whether the work on the propoSed coal-based coking gas project at Dankuni (d) the amount of small and cottage in West Bengal undertaken by the Heavy industrial goods exported to various Engineering Corporation (HEC) , Ranchi countries from Gujarat during 1 January, under the aegis of Coal India Ltd., has 1984 to 18 November, 1985 ? been stalled and a period of more than two years will now be required for the project to start functioning ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (b) if so, the reasons therefor ; PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. Ie. JAICHANDRA SINGH: (a) to (c) Thrust (c) whether as a result of the delay of the . Industrial Policy is for the the cost of the project has doubled and encouragement of small and cottage the earlier estimate of Rs. 50 crores had to industries and therefore the Government be revised to Rs. 100 crores ; and ha ve been continuously strengthening the (d) when the supply of gas is likely to organisations involved in the promotio start now? of small and cottage industries. Thn ~easures include providing financiae' THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI administrative and all other necessarl, VASANT SATHE) : (a) and (b) Work on support to such orga nisations for increasiny the Dankunj coal complex has not been the production and improvement og stall~d. There have been some initial quality. The development of small andf delays in land acquisition, .finalisation of cottage industries is, however, primarily technology, land filling etc. Construction the responslbility of the State Govern- work on the Project is now prolressio8 nlent. 47 WrltI- A1UWers DBCBMB~1l10. 1985 Written Answers

(d) Such information is Dot maintained (a) whether it is a fact that our Research by the Union Govemment. and Development . effort so far has been limited to bench-work in the field of biOi Hike in Price of Coal enerlY development as reported in the ·322 SHRI B.V. DESAI : Will the Financial Express of 26 and 27 October, Minister of ENERGY be pleased to 1985 ; state: (b) whether it is a fact that our bioga s (a) whether Government are con- technology is ancient and valueless; siderins another hike in the price of (c) whether our bio-mass processing coal; t(chnology is the same as in the olden (b) if so, whether the last reVISion was times; and effected only twenty months ago ;_ (d) whether failure to use alcohol (c) if so, the main reasons for lnother (bio-energy sources or synthetic) in the hike in the price of coa I ; and fuels is a serious failu re ? (d) when a final decision in this THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI regard is likely to be taken '1 VASANT SATHE); (a) No, Sir. A nunlber of technologies relating to energy ,~5:;·,ntB MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRt plantation, biomass gasification, solid and ,-~i"~ANT SATHE) : (a) to (d) The pit-head liquid fuel production are already at the prices of coal whiCh were last revised with stage of demonstration and extension in effect from 8-1·1984 were due for revision the field. Rand D efforts are also from 1-4-1985. Coal India Limited has con t in u ing. indicated the estimated cost of production for the year 1985-86, taking into account (b) No, Sir. The Biogas Plants are the inc~ease in the cost of inputs, now increasing fairly repidly and a re being additional dearness allowances, bonus etc. found very valuable to provide clean fuel No deciSion has been taken by the and fertiliser and to reduce pressure on Government so far about the revision. the forests for fuel wood. Furthermore, newer models ha,:e also been developed Reservation Policy in D.E.S.U. througb Rand D efforts. 3204. SHRI BANWARI LAL (c) No, Sir. The processing of _ BAIRWA: Will the Minister of ENERGY biomass for production of fuel or direct be pleased to state : generation of energy covers a wide range (a) whether it is a fact tba t orders/ of technologieS, most of which have been directives issued by Government about developed only recently. reservation for Scheduled Castes/Scheduled (d) No, Sir. India has developed the Tribes in Government oftices are not heina technololY for the use of alcohol as fuel. implemented in Delhi Electric Supply However, higher value addition is obtained Undertakina ; by use of alcohol as a chemical feed stock. (b) if 10, the reasons therefor; and baport of Thermal Sets (c) the steps beiDl taken in this reprd'l 3206. SHIll CHINTAMANI JENA : Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TIIB to state: DEPARTMENT OF POWBl'. (SHIll AllIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : No, Sir. (a) whether thermal sets are being imported and whether any agreement . (b) and (c) Do not arise, in view of has been made in tbis respect, if so, the answer to part 'a' above. country from which these are being Bio-Eaergy Dey..... , imported ~ and the annual expenditure incurred thereon ; 31DS. SHRI MANtIC llEDDY : Will the Minister of ENERGY be pJeased to (b) whether thermal sets are beina atate : manufKtured in the countr), ; Ii Writt.n Answers AGRAflA YANA 19, 1901 (SAKA) Written Answers

(c) if so, the name of the company and power sets (Utilities only) out of sanctioned how they are functioning ; and projects scheduled for commissioning during the Seventh Plan is shown in the (d) the steps being taken to meet the statement below. demand of the thermal sets from indigen-

ous production '1 At presentt thermal sets are being manufactured indigenously by the following MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE two companies :- DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD -KHAN) : (a) to (d) The 1. Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited primary reliance for procurement of power (Boilitr and T.G.) generating sets contInues to be on the indigenous manufactuers. Import is 2. ACC-Babcock Limited (Boilers resorted to only selectively and' on merits, on1y.) depending on the totality of circums- The performance of sets manufactured tances. by these companies has been, by and large, Available details of imported thermal satisfactory.

Statement

Statement showinrf name of thermal projects particularly of equ i'pmell1 imported and its capacity and country of import in respect of thermal power projects which are envisaged to be -- ,ommissiolled during VIlth Plan

Sl. Name of Capacity Description Name of the Estimated cost No. thermal (MW) of the main country from of imported Project equipment which being sets imported

(A) THERMAL UNITS

I. National Thermal Power Corporation

1. Rihand Unit.. } 500 Boiler and TO U.K. £ 127234800 Unit-2 500 -do- -do-

2. Vindhyachal

Unit-l 210 Boiler and TO USSR Rouble 251290000 Unit-2 210 -do- -do- (Lump Sum Contract) Unit-3 2}0 -do- -do- Unit-4 210 -do- -do- Unit-S 210 -do- -do- Unit·6 210 -do- -do-

n. Neyveli Lignite CorporsdloD Neyveli" 2nd mine cut

Unit-l 210 Boiler Hungary N.A. Unit-2 210 Unit-3 210 T.O. Italy , , 51 Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answers

III. Assam State Electricity Board Ext' 30 Boiler Japan Rs. 5.60 crors (B) GAS TURBINE UNITS

I. Assam State Elecy. Board

1. Lakwa G.T.

Unit-4 15 Gas Turbine Japan Yen 448,28538 set II. Tripura Baramura G.T.. Unit-l 5 Gas Turbine France N.A. set Unit-2 5 -do- -do-

III. l\1abarashtra State Elecy. Board 1. Uran G.T.

Unit-8 108 Gas Turbine W~st Gernlany Rs. 17.06 crores

set

IV. Delhi Electric Supply LTndertaking Delhi GT'S

Unit-l 30 GT Set France Rs. 62.78 crores Unit-2 30 -do- -do- Unit-3 30 -do- -do- Unit-4 30 -do- -do- Unit-5 30 -do- -do- Unit-6 30 -do- -do- GT-Gas Turbine.

Smuggling of Coal (b) The Government have no infor- 3207. SHRI SIMON TIGGA : Will matiJl1 of any large scale smuggl ing of coal the Min ister of ENERGY be pleased to from th e collieries in t-he country. How- state: tever, effective steps in cooperation with the State Government authorities are being (a) whether Government are aware of taken for quite some tinle now to check flourishing parallel coal trad'e and smuggl- theftl pilferage (f coal. These steps, inter- ing of coal within the country; alia are :- (b) if so, the details thereof; (i) Carrying out surprise checks; (ii) Detection through flying squads (c) the details of. coal-smuggling consisting of Police, watch and caught at Sawang colliery and at Rarngarh ward staff of tLe Coal Companies Centr11 in Coalfields Limited; and and Cent ral Industrial Security (d) the action taken against the guilty Force personnel ; persons? (iii) Cancellation of licences of private THE MINISTER OF ENERGY coal depots within a radius of 8 (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) and kms by Dist. Authorities. 53 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19,1907 (SAKA) Written Allswers 54

(iv) Stricter regulation of supply of ending 31st Marcb, 1984 are available in domestic coal to the consumers; the Chapter on "Pricing Policy .in Public Enterprises" apperaring in Vol. I of the. (v) Departmentalisation of internal Public Enterprises Surveys of 1983-84, transport of coal/coke from pithe- 1982-83 and 1981-82. ads to railway sidings.

(c) and (d) The infornlation is being Shortage of drug for kindney patients collected and will be laid on the Tahle of 3209. SHRI R.M. BHOYE: Will the th~ House. Mini9ter of INDUSTRY be rl~ased to state : Increase in prices of products of public sec~or industries (a) whether Government are aware of the acute shortage of life-saving drug for 3208. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: kidney patients due to the stoppage of its Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased production by manufacturers in the to state: country;

(a) whether in order to reduce the (b) .if so~ whether Government have deficit in the public sector industries, the considered the question of alternative prices of their prod'Jcts have been increased production arrangeluents to manuf(lcture the from time to time and it has affected the drug und\!r collaboration in the country or prices of other items; to procure the drug from other sources through the State Trading Corporation (b) if so, the names of the public sector or to allow the patients to import the industries, performances of which are not drug by raising the ceiling of Rs. 2,000 satisfactory and are running into losses, prescribed for import by any individual; alongwi th the Heme, the prices of which and have been increased during the last three years; (c) if so, the details in this regard; (c) whether any measures have been THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE token to check this trend; and DEPARTMENT OF CHEMlCALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. (d) if so, the details thereof? J L\ICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE No, Sir. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. Some re ports of localised shortages of Azathioprine (Inluran) tabiets, used by JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) It is kidney patients were received by the presumed that the Hon'bJc Member Gov~rment. However, the author ised is referring to increases in Admin i- stcred Prices/Price increases requlrmg stockists of this drug reported sufficient Governnlent approval, in respect of core stocks with them and on this Ministry's sector industries like steel, coa1, etc. The advice rushed stocks to the reported areas of shortages. price increases approved by the Govern- ment in these cases are n1a inly to compen- The current import policy provides for sate for increases in the cost of inputs and liberal imports of Imuran tablets under not for reducing the deficits in the public OGL. Individual patients can directly sector industries as such. import the drug upto a prescribed value limit. The preparation ;s also exempted (b) to (d) In view of reply to (a) above, frolD custom duty. (b), (c) & (d) do not arise. llowever, the names of enterpri')cs which suff~red losses in Setting up of Electronic Telex Exchanges 1983-84 arc available at pages 55 and 56 of 3210. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA : Vol. 1 of Public Enterprises Survey, 1983-84, Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS placed on the Table of the House on the be pleased to state: 15th March, 1985. Similarly, the price increases niade in resped of basic inputs ,(a) whether Government have launch .. like steel, coal, etc. during the three years ed a massive programnlc for settins up ss Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answers

. .. of electronic telex exchanges in the country; from manufacturers. It has further been and indicated that at times on account of non- availability of liquid funds, they have to (b) the number of such exchanges resort to purchases from the intermediaries likely to be set up at different places during but such cases are stated to be rare. the Seventh Five Year Plan? Commiss ion and cons ul tancy paid by THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE HAL and IDPL ~o their employees MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS . and otber, on sale to Hospitals (SHRI RAM N[WAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, and Institutions Sir. 3212. SHRI VISHNU MODI; Will the (b) Approximately 180 electronic telex Ministe r of INDUSTRY be pleased to exchanges (including concentrators) are state: likely to be set up during the 7th Five (a) the commISSIon and consultancy Year Plan. paid by Hindustan Antib iotics Limited and Ind ian Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Cycle Corporation of India Limited to their employees and others on 3211. DR. SUDHIR ROY: Will the sales to hospitals and other institutions Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: during the last three years, year-wise; (a) whether the selling agents of the (b) the institutional and hospital sales Kalyani unit of the Cycle Corporation of of these two public undertakings during India are not paying to the Corporation the last three years, year-wise; over fifty lakhs of rupees ; (c) the naines of the products on which (b) whether these defaulting selling commission and consultancy was paid; agents are still getting bUlk supply of and cycles at a fanta~tic rate of rebate; (d) the nalnes of the individuals to (c) if so, the details thereof; whom commission or consultation charges were pa;d alongwith the amount during (d) whether it is a fact that the pur- the last three years, year~ wise ? chases of equipments and materials are made from intermediaries and not directly THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE from the manufacturers and that too of DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND sub standard quality and at higher prices; PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. and JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (d) The information is being collected and will be (e) if so, the reason tnerefor ? laid on the Table of the House. THE MJNfSTER OF STATE IN THE OEPARTAMENT OF CHBMICALS Construction of Trunk Automatic Ex- change Building at Jallandar (Punjab) AND PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI and Postal Division Building at R.K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) The Debra Gopipur (H.P.) Kalyani unit of the Cycle Corporation of India Limited manufacture only com- 3213. PROF. NARAlN CHAND ponents required for the main manufac- PARASHAR: Will the Min ister of turing plant of the Corporation at COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to Asansol. They have not engaged any sell- state: ing agents. (a) whether the construction work of (b) Does not arise. the buildings for the following projects has been taken in hand and is nearina (c) to (e) As per information furnished completion ~ by the management they normally obtain their requirelnents tubes, strips wires and (1) Trunk Automatic Exchange at rods and other materials required for the lallandar in Punjab. manufacture of bicycle from manufac- (2) Head Post Office and Postal Divi- turers like STI, Tatas, Nagarujuna Steel. sion building at Dehra Gopipur in Chemicals and paints are also procured Himachal Pradesh ; Written Answer" AGRAHAYANt\ 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 58

(b if so, t he exact dates on which the Telephon~ and Telegraph service in rural const)' uction work was commenced, the areas of Orissa targeted period for completion and the estimated cost in each case; 3214. SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK.: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS (c) the likely date by which the work be pleased to state ; would be completed; and (a) the target for providing better (d) the reasons f r delay along with telephone-telegraph services in rural areas the likely cost of each project at the time of Orissa during 1985-86 ; of completion ? (b) whether the target for 1984-85 has been fully achieved ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) if not, the reasons therefor? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHIR RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) (i) The construction work of trunk MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS autoIDltic exchange bldg. at Jallandar (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) One 'was started but is held up due to failure hundred long Distance Public Telephones/ on the part of the contractor. Combined offices are proposed to be opened during 1985-86 for providing better (ii) For the building of Head post telephohe and telegraph services to. the office and Postal Division at Dahra Gopi- rural areas of Orissa. pur the construction work has been taken in hand and is nearing conlpletion. (b) Yes Sir.

(b) The construction work for TAX (c) Does not arise building was started on 27th January, 1982, and was targetted for completion by l\lajor and Medium Industries in Orissa September, 1983 at an estimated cost of Rs. 115.3 lakhs. 3215. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY The Head post office building at be pleased to state : Dehra Gopipur was commenced on 23-11-83 (a) the programmes for establishment and the targetted period for completion of major and medium industries in Orissa was November, 1984 at an estimated cost dur ing the S;xth Five Year Plan period of Rs. 22.22 lakhs. and the total amount allocated by his (c) The contractor stopped the work Ministry for the establishment of such in the middle of the construction ~f TAX industries during that period; and building. The tenders for the balance work have been reinvited and are to be (b) the industries established so far opened on 19th December, 1985. The and completed for production during the building is likely to be completed in the above period ? year, 1981-88. The likely date of comple- tion of the Head post office building is THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 31st January, 1986. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. (d) The delay was due to the contractor JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) and (b) An abandoning the work in the n1iddle and fru- outlay of Rs. 3200 lakhs was made in strating our attempt to restart the work by the Sixth and Five Year Plan of getting a stay order from the court of Law. the State Government for Large and After the stay order ~as vacated, the tenders Medium industries against which have been reinvited. Likely cost at the time the anticipated expenditure is of of completion will be known only after the order of Rs. 5886 lakhs. The State new tenders are received and scrutinized. Government provides the basic infrastruc- The delay in the completion of the Head ture and other attendant facilities and Post Office building was due to shortage of assistance for development of vario&Js cement. Th~ revised cost of this projects Large and Medium -industrise. However, will be known after completion. the capita) required for settins up of thes~ 59 Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Wrilltll Answers 60

industries is brought in mainly by the For this purpose, Government have e ntrepreneufs and Finacial Institutions. introduced various incentives like. Techni- cal Development Fund, Soft Loan Scheme The number of Letters of Intent of Industrial D~veloplnent Bank of India Industrial Licences under the Industrie~ and Research and Development fiscal (Development and Regulation) Act, 1951 incentives. and Registrations with DGTD issued for setting up industries in Orissa are given Telephone faci1ities in Mathura below:- D:strict (U P.)

1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 3217. SHRI MANVENDRA SINGH: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Letters of be pleased to state: Intent. 14 32 43 25 20 (a) the names of the blocks, tehsils Industrial and sub-divisions in Mathura District of Licences. 8 5 10 14 15 Uttar Pr3desh \\ hlCh arc yet to be pro- vided with telephone facil ities and a link Registrations between block, tehsil and sub-divisional with DGTD. 14 42 25 42 24 headquarters; (b) the steps taken by Government to It gener~Jly takes three to four years provide the telecommunication link with for an industrial project to fructify, Actual these areas? gestation period, however, varies from project to project. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Details, such as nan1e and address of MINISTRY OF COM\1UNICATIONS . the ur.dertaking, item of fllanufuctufc, (SHRI RAM NlWAS MIRDHA): (a) An T;.:'~ ,~~i1 capacity and location in respect of each the Block, and Sub-Divisional Jetter of intent, industrial licence and Headquarters lil l\1:.tthuia District have Registration \\ iih DGTD, are being bet!n provided with tel'~phone facilities. published regularly by the .Indian Invest- All the Block headquarters. except Novjhil 1 ment Centre in their 'Monthly Newsleaer'. are linked Wii 1 their Tehsil and S'lb- Divisional headqu 1 rters. Copies of this publication are being sent to the Parliament Library regularly, (b) MARR s.:hemi.! for Mathura 1\fodemisation of Industry District is in planning st~~g\! nnd it may be pos<;ible to connect Novjhil to Mat which 3216. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: is its Tehsil headqu:uters, after finalisatioD Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be of the scheme. pleased to state: Recording of the number called through S. T, D. (a) the reasons of the slow pac~ of modernisation of industry in the couat ry ; 3218. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Wilt the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (b) the measures proposed to be taken pleased to state: to modernise industry in the country; (a) whether recording of the number (c) the incentives proposed to be caI1ed through STD is in practice in many given therefor; and countries; (d) the details thereof? (b) whether in those countries THF M1N1STER OP STATE IN THE telephone biBs also contain the last of DEPARTMENT OF CHE1\1ICALS ANI) numbers caJled tJlrougJJ STD ; PETRO-C'RFMICALS (SHRI R. K. (c) whe\hcr an'j such 't)TO&tun.1me or 1~\rnl\~"\\~ . ~\'N.G\\) " (a) to ~d) pToposals ~)ave been ~ormu\ated ; Government is giving every encouragement to mo(\ernlse and st\ffiu\ate industrial (d) if so, the details thereof ~ an~ production through appropriate changes (e) if not, the reasons therefor '? in indllstrial };censing and inlport policies, 61 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Anjwers 61

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE PETRO - CIIEMICALS (SHRI R. K. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS JAICHANDRA SINGH) (a) The Bureau (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) of Public Enterprices (BPE) issuses new Recording of number called is in practice guidelines and amend/modify the existing for a limited number of selected subscribers ones, on a continual basis, on various in some countries. By and large, many of aspects of management in public sector the countries do not record the number of including civil works, appointnlcnt of diaHed in STD calls. consultants wages, salary administration, recruitment, promotions, reservation (b) Only in the case of a few countries policy, etc. The important guidelines are where recorded information is available, compiled and published by a voluntary number information is supplied along with organisation of the public sector under- the bill to the subscribe~s who takings, namely the, Standing Conference ask for it. on Public Enterprises (SCOPE). (b) The implementation of the guide- (c) (d) & (e) Telecomn1unication Rese- lines by the public sector enterprises is the arch Centre in coordination with a private responsibility of the concerned administra- manufacturer has established that it tive ministries. is technically possible to provide caned station code, called and duration High cost of production of Penic jilin of conversation if the call originates G by HAL and IDPL from a Pentaconta Crossbar or Strowger exchange. But such features as reliability, 3220. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: maintainability etc., in different types of Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be locations have to be established. It has pleased to refer to the reply given to been decided to tryout this system only Unstarred Question No. 3374 on 1) August, for the dispClsal of n1etcr reading complaints 1985 regarding prices of Penicillin G and in 20 exchanges situated in various state: locations to serve as fled trial models. Six systems have been ordered. Two systems (a) the price fixed for indigenous have been supplied; onc is installed and is production of Penicillin G and the ,landed undergoing tests E-IOB digital electronic cost per Kg. of the drug ; exchanges are inherently capable of giviIlg (b) the i!1stalled capacity of this drug this facility for a sdcctcd nun1bcr of of Hindustan Antibiotics Ltd. and Indian subscribers. Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Ltd. and what was the production of each ·during the last Implementat ion of guidelines issued three years; b)' Bureau of Public Enterpr ises (c) whether it is a fact that none of 3219. SHRI Y. S. MAHAJAN : Will the these units have attained fuller utilisation Miniser of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: of capacity and the cost of p~oduction is (a) the deta ils of the guidelines issued high; and by the Bureau of Public Enterprises to public sector enterprises during the last (d) if so, the steps taken in this two years regarding award of contracts regard? for procuring n1achinelY, civil aviation THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE jobs, recruitment and pron10tions and DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND wages; and PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K.. JAICHANDRA (a) Price fixed (b) how the BUl cau of Publ ic Enter- SINGH): prises ensure that the guidelines issued by by the Gov~rnment for indigenous pro- them are actually followed and duction of Penicillin G (1st Crystals) is \mp\emen\ed b)l \be 'P\\b\ic sec\ot en\er- Rs. 582,03 Per BU or Rs. 919.61 pet Kg. prises? Landed cost of this d rug comes to about Rs. 837.30 per Kg. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS ANO (b) The details are as \lnd~r ; 63 "~rillen Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985

(In MMU)

Name of the Name of the Installed Production company drug capacity 1982-83 1933-84 1984-8S

I.D.P,L. Pottasium 230 92.7 123.1 129.4 Penicillin

H.A.L. Penicillin Pi rst 200 104 119 1'3 Crystals

(c) There is scope for improving the (c) in view of the fact that no lines are capacity utilisation and bringing down the available for new connections, the details costs of production. of steps taken . by Government to install additional exchanges and/or ex:pand the (d) Attempts are being made to im- existing ones ; and prove productivity. (d) the deta its of steps be ing taken to improve the telephone facility in Malla- Telephone Exchanges in Mallapuram puram district including details of any District of Kerala proposal for upgradation of existing 3221. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: telephone system and conversion of cross- Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS bar exchanges into electronic exchanges? be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (a) the number of telephone exchanges (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) The in l\.1allapuram district of Kerala and the information is given in S~::tenlent-l below. names of places where those are situated. indicating whether they are across-bar or (b) The information is given in the electronic exchanges; Statement-I belo'W. (b) the number of telephones attached (c) and (d) The information is given to each exchange ; in the Statement-II below.

Statement-I The number o/telephone exchanges in Malapuram District is 42. The details regarding names 0/ place~, type of exchange arid the number of teleplzolles attached /0 each one is as under:

SI. Name of place where Type of Equipped· Working Waiting No. exchange is located exchange capacity connections list

1 2 3 4 5 6 -----

1. Anaolangad MAX-Ill 35 30 22 2. Arekode -do- 90 63 51 3. Cba ngaramkulam -do- 90 82 67 4. Chelari CBNM 150 J37 33 5. Edakara MAX-III 90 90 59 6. Edapall -do.. 100 93 59 1. Edavanama -do.. 90 62 46 8. Edavanapara -do- 35 31 17 9. ~dampuzha -9<>- 9Q 69 .u' 65 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers

1 2 3 4 5 6

10. K.alikavu MAX-Ill 35 33 15 11. Kalapakancherry -du- 90 90 204 ,12. Karuvarukund u -do- 90 81 29 13. Koathoor -do- 35 26 27 14. Kondotty -do- 100 92 114 15. Kottakkal -do- 100 93 162 16. Kuttipuram -do- 100 94 88 17. Malapuram MAX-II 300 294 117 18. Makkarapparamba MAX-III 90 81 27 19. Mangalam. -do- 90 GS 71 20. Manjeri MAX-II 400 390 227 2l. Mankada MAX-III 35 32 14 22. Melathoor -do- 35 29 17 23. Maranchery -do- 90 88 132 24. Nilambur MAX-II 200 198 89 25. Palapetty MAX-III 3S 26 43 26. Pandikkal -do- 35 29 11 27. Parappanangadi -do- 100 92 108 28. pj3rinthalmanna f\.fAX-II 400 396 128 29. Pounani CBNM 250 245 109 30. Pukkottumpadam MAX-III 45 35 28 31. Pulamantho1e -do- 45 43 43 32. Puzhakkathri -do- 25 ·24 26 33. Tanur -do- 100 92 153 34. Tavanur -do- 45 44 2S 35. Thazhaekode -do- 25 25 8 36. Tjrunavaya -do- 90 90 44 37. Tirurangad CBNM 250 235 64 38. Tirur MAX-II 600 594 433 39. Valancherry MAX-III 100 94 126 40. Val1uvambram -do- 90 71 63 41. Vengara -do.. 100 95 ZJ.7 42. Vandoor -do- 90 90 101

Note: There are no Crossbar and electronic exchanges in the Distt. Abbreviation used :-MAX--Main Authomatic Exchange. CBNM-Central Battery Non-Multiple.

Statement-II (a) to (d) Details of proposals undertaken or likely to be u~dertaken· A: New ex-changes opened during 1985-86 : (a) Palapetty 35-lines. (b) Puzhakkathri 25-linc~. 67 Written Answers DECEMBBR. 10. 1985 Written Answer $ 68

B: Expansions done during 1985.. 86 : (a) Kadampuzha from 35 to 90 lines. (b) Valuvambram from 45 to 90 Jines . ... C: Expansions likely to be done during rest of 198'.86 : (a) Tirur 600 to 700 tines (b) Kooranchund 3S to 90 lines (c) Pula man thole 45 to 90 lines (d) Pllokkottupadam 45 to 20 lines (e) Thazhekodi 2S to 35 lines (0 Automa~isation of Cbe1Jary manual exchanae. D: In addition following works wilt also be taken up subject to the availability of equipment, store and resources during 7th Plan. 1. Commissloning of (0 EdapaI 200 MAX .. II 2. Kuttipuram 200 MAX-II 3. Marancherry 200 MAX-II 4. Tannr 200 MAX-II S. Alancherry 200 MAX-II 6. Vengara 200 MAX-ll 7. Malapuram 300-400 expansion. 8. Manjeri 400-500 expansion. 9. Nilambur 200.300 ex:pansion. 10. Perinthalmanna 400-500 expansion. It! Tirur 600-800 expansion. 12. Conversion of Ponnani exchange into 300-lines MAX-II. 13. Tirurangadi 250-400 expansion. 14. Chelari 300 MAX-II. 15. Kottakkal 200 MAX-IL E: InstaJlation of Calicut-Palghat and CaHcut-Tirur Coaxial system are in progress and is proposed to be completed during 7th plan.

Appointment of add:tional staff in (d) if so, the details thereof? Tirapur Telepnone Excban~e in Coimbatore (Tamil Nadu) . THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 3222. SHRI C. K. KUPPUSWAMY: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) be pleased to st~te : Additional staff to the extent necessary are redeployed from amongst the exiSting (a) whether Government are aware staff to attend the expanded Tirupur that although 2000 new telephone connec- exchange in Coimbatore District. tions have been sanctioned to Tirupur. Coimbatore District, no additional staff (b) to (d) Does not arise in view of bas been emp10yed to attend the expanded (a) above. telephone exchange ; (b) the reasons for not employing Losses in Hindustan Antibiotics ltd. additional staff at tbe Tirupur exchange?. (c) whether Government propose to 3223. SHRI MOOL CHAND emyJoy additional staff in the near future DAGA : Win the Minister of INDUST~Y at TittJPur Telephone Exchange; and be pleased to state: 69 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 19Q7 (SAKA) Written Answers 70

(a) the reasons for heavy Josses ,",:~jng Listerine, Fairgenol and Itiol Antiseptic preparation so Id ~t Higher prices suffered by the Hindustan Antibiotics r.~d .• ; 3224. SHRI VILAS MUITEMWAR (b) since when the Unit is running in lill the Minister of INDUSTRY be losses and the total loss during the last pleased to state : three years ; (a) whether it is a fact that antiseptic (c) whether it is a fact that Rs. 30 preparations are under price control; crores were spent recently on expansion and modernisation of the penicillin, (b) whether it is also a fact that ampicillin and streptomycin plants and Listerine, Fairgenol and Itiol are being prices of the products were increased but sold at much higter prices and the con- the production thereof came down ; sumer is bei:lg overcharged; (d) if so, the reasons thereof; (c) what is the price fixed by his (e) whether it is a fact that !he pro- Ministry for a pack of each of the above ducts are made on loan licence from ment ioned products and at what price the outside parties keeping modern i01P _. rted same are sold to consumer ; plant for capsules, tablets and syrups idle and thus undergoing losses and even (d) whe ther it is also a fact that the locally procured products are not tested manufacturers are manufacturing these for quality control; items without any valid authority; and (f) if so, the reasons thereof; and (e) if so, what action was taken' (g) when the work \vould be streamlined against the concerned companies in this regard? for efficient and reliable work!ng ?

THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO - CHE~1ICALS (SHRI R K. PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHR, \ .K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (3) The losses JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) Yet, str~~··'i are due to various factors such as un(kr utilisation of installcd .capacity, tc'chnologi- (b) and (c) MIs. Warne~ustan cal problems, higher cost uf PJ oductil)n Ltd. were found treating LIster'-s price from basic stage ~nd aproducl-lnix predo- decontrolled formulation under Drugs minantly conlprising Category I nnd II bulk (Prices Conrrol) Order, 1979. A show drugs and formulations with lower o1urk-up. cause notice was issued to the company and they have recently replied to the show (b) The company nladc a net profit of cause notice. Action is on against the Rs. 24 lakhs during 1982-83 but it con1pany. Details of Government approved suffered net losses of Rs. 171 lakhs and prices and prices as given in the price list Rs. 580 lakhs during 1983-84 and 1984-85 in respect of Fairgenol and Itiol are shown respectively. in the Statement given be1ow. (c) to (g) The information is being (d) No, Sir. collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (e) Does not arise. it "~ritten A"swers DECEMBER to, tgSS Writ' t" Ans~, s 72

Statement

SI. Name of the product Pack Size Approved price Price as per last ~o! including Excise available price duty list/Indian Phar- maceutical Guide 1985 including Excise duty.

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5)

1. Fairgenol Plain 1 Lit. 21.35 18.72 Antiseptic Fluid 5 Lit. 91.15 78.93 2- Fairgenol Liquid 110 ml Not readily 4.92 available 3. FairgenoJ Obsteric 85 gm. Not readily 4.30 Cream available 4. Itiol 3 Liquid 120 ml 4.75 3.63

S, Listerine ~iquid 85 ml Company is treating 4.38 200 mJ them as price decont- 9.20 500 rol rolled under DPeO, 15.39 1979.

(Tf'Dnsiation] [English] Committee on tbe Production of Coal Workers' participation in Management of JD5titutions run by K.V.I C. 3226. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased 3225 .. SHRlMATI VIDYAVATI to state : CHATURVEDI : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to refer to the (a) whether a Committee was reply given to Unstarred Question No. appointed tQ go into the causes for 2.189 on 9 April, 1985 regard·ing employees declining financial perforn1ance and pro- participation in management of KVIC duction of coal in the country; institutions and state : (b) whether the Committee has since ;:':~4 fhe names and location of the submitted its report; i~ioDS of Khadi Gramodyog Com- miSsion where workers' participation in (c) if so, the main recommendations the management has already been ensured; (f the Committee separately on financial and ~ performance and raising production; and (b) whether Khadi Gramodyog Com- (d) the time by which Government mission propose to ensure workers' would be able to implement the participation in the management of its recommendations of the Committee? other institutions like sale depots etc. at an early date ? THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) to (d) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE However, a Committee under the DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Chairmanship of Shri K.S.R.Chari, PETR.O-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. Consultant and former Secretary, JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) The Departmen t of Coal was appointed iafoonatiou as desired is being collected. b)' the Department of Coal in Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Anlwerl

April, 1985 to make an indepth study of (e) the details of the power conserva- tile working ,of the Eastern· Coalfields tion programme launched in Kamataka Limited with a view to identifying the till date? ' vadous pro blems plaguing the Company THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and out remedia 1 stepslmeasures to finding DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF be undertaken to ge.t over these problems MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) and (b) in, order to enable the Compan y to achie\'e Karnatake State has been facing power its ma.in objectives of scient ific develop- shortages of varying degrees with an ment of coal rl!serves in its jurisdiction, avaiJability of 26.98 MU against an 'increasing coal producti .. n and implement- unrestricted requirement of 38.5 MU a day_ ing other schemes for development and To overcome the same, assistance is being welfare. The Co m mittee bas submitted provided from the neighbouring States of its re port in November, 1985 which is yet Kerala and Maharashtra to the extent to be examine d. possible. As a long-term measure, a num- Expanstion and development of Neelu- ber of new generating units are under mangad Telepbone Exchange in construction which are likely to give an Kerala additional capacity of 593.25 MW during 3227. SHRI T. BASHEER; Will the the Seventh Plan period. Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (c) to (e) In January, 1985, Govern- pleased to state: ment sanctioned a pilot programme involv- (a) whether it is a fact tha t the ing an expenditure of Rs. 3 crores for expansion and develoment of Nedumangad the purpose of assisting rectification of telephone excbange is far behind the time inefficient agricultural pumpsets in 8 States schedule fixed by the Department; including . As part of this pilot programme for implementation through (b) if so, the reasons thereror ; and Rura.l Electrification Corporation, a total of 5,625 pumpsets have deen approved for (c) the steps Government have taken to rectification in Karnataka. The Rural expedite the work ? Electrification Corporation is giVing THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE financial assistance in the form of Soft MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 1erm Loans @ Rs. 1,000 per pumpset to (SHIR RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) No, Karnataka Electricity Board. In addition, Sir. schemes costing Rs. 16.80 lakhs for con- servation of Power in the system network: (b) and (c) Does not arise in view through installation of loss saving equip- of (a). ments such as automatic switches for capacitors, etc have also been sanctioned Shortage of Power in Karnataka for Karnataka by Rural Electrification 3228. SHRI SRIKANTA DATTA Corporation under this Pilot Programme. NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to [Translation] state : Setting up of Anc illary Industries in (a) whether Karnataka is facinll ac:ute Madhya Pradesh shortage of power; 3230. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: (b) if so, the ren\cdial measures initia- Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased ted by the Union Government to overcome to state: the existing crisis ; (a) the policy of Government (or (c) whether Government have directed settin', up ancilJary industries fot the Rural Electrification Corporation Department of Defence Production, Depart-, (REe) to e~p)ore the possibility of conserv- ment of Railways, Nepa Paper Mills and ing power in that state; cement industries; and . (d) if so, the report of the study condu- (b) the number and names of ancillary eted by Rura) Electrification Corporation- industries set up during the last three and the recommendations made; aDd years, year-wise for the departments Stated 1s Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written A.nsw,rs

In part (a) above and also for the Central Fire in Oak·Tar Bbawan, Parliament Government undertakings in Madhya Street~ New Delhi Pradesh? 3232. SHRI MULLAPALLY RAMA. CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of THE MINISTER OF, STATE IN THE COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: DBPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. (a) whether any enquiry is being JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) The general conducted into the cause of fire in 'Dak- policy of the Government is to Tar Bhawan' Parliament Street, New Delhi encourage development of Ancillary that occurred on Wednesday, the 20th Industries to supply parts and components November, 1985 ; to large Industries wherever feasible; (b) if so, the details of the enquiry Bureau of Public Enterprises (BPE) have and the resuJ ts tllereof; , '" already issued guidelines for central public sector undertakings which are (c) whether the loss of the postal applicable to Nepa Paper Mills and cenlent stationery caused by t he fire has been industry in Public Sector. Though, ordn- assessed ; and ance factories under the Department of Defence Production and Department of (d) if so, the details therefor? Railways do not have the practice of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE formalising ancillary relationship with small l\UNISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS units, they have been utilising the capaci- (SlIRI RAM NIWAS M[RDHA): (a) Yes, ties in the industrial units, subject to Sir. their quotations being competitive and performance being satisfactory. (b) The Departmental Enquiry Com- mittee has not yet completed the enquiry. (b) The number of ancilla: v industries (c) Not yd. of seven major public secto-r units in Madhya Pradesh is reported to be 97, 104, (d) Does nol arise due to reasons 108 during the years 1981-82, 1982-83 and against (c) above. 1983-84. Name of Ancillary units are not available. Production and import of Formic Acid 3233. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : [Engllsh1 Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Appointment of Car Dea I ers in Pondicberry (a) whether it is a fact that the two units located in Kerala produce the entire 3231. SHRI P. SHANMUGAM: Will I equirements of formic acid in the the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to country; atate : (b) if so, their licensed capacity and

DEP~RTMENT OF CHEMICALS I AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. Approval of Government is not required JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Yes Sir. for approintnient of car dealers. As such These arc the only two units in the details of dealer-wise sales are not main- organised sector both of which are located taiDed by the Government. in Kerala. 11 Written IJIIlwers AGllAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 'J (b) The licenced capacity of MIs. (f) whether there a re any hopes of Periyar Chemicals Limited and MIs. self-sufficiency at least in telephones in the ICerala Acids and Chemicals Limited are country ? 1500 and 1200 tonnes per annum, respec- THE MINISTER OF STATE tively. During 1983-84 MIs. Periyar OF THS MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Chemicals Limited did not produce any (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yel, Formic Acid while during 1984-85 (May to Sir. March) the production was 764 MT. Mis . . !terala Acid and Chemicals Limited, which (b) 1. The following agreements were was commissioned in 1982 have not been entered into with MIs CIT· reporting any production. Alca tel, France :

(c) and (d) The Government of (i) Technical collaboration agree- KeraJa and the two indigenous producers ment for licence and transfer of had represented that, (i) Pormic Acid technology for electronic digital should be removed from appendix-17 of equipments. the Import policy, (ii) basic import duty should be increased to 100% and Auxillary (ii) Agreement for the supply of duty to 50% from the then existing 70% machinery, equipment, sub- and 35%, respectively, and (iii) since the assembly componets and raw- two uni ts in the country have gone into material. production, the import policy on formic (iii) Agreement for supply of acid should be reviewed. While framing electronic digital telephone the Import Export Policy for 1985-88 the exchanges and performance of above representations were considered and related services. Government has banned the import of Formic Acid by placing it in appendix-2B. (iv) Agreeinent for research and Government has also restricted the import development assistance. of formic acid under the replenishment scheme (appendi~-17) from 0.25% of the (v) Technical collaboration and value of exports of leather and leather licensing for manufacture of digital goods to 0.09%. TAX equipment at Palghat unit of IT!. Tie-up with France for expansion of Telecommunication facilities (vi) Supply of machinery, equipment, subassembly components and raw- 3234. DR. G. VIJAYA RAMA RAO : material for electronic TAX equi~ Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS ment at Paighat. be pleased to state : (vii) Supply of electronic TAX, TAX· (a) whether Government have entered cumsubSCf iber Ex-changes and into a tie-up with France for expansion of performance of related services. telecommunication facilities as reported in the 'Hindustan Times' of 14 November, 2. The following agreements were 1985 ; entered into with Mis Sofrecom, Paris ; (b) if so, full-details thereoC; (i) Technical cooperation agreement. (c) whether similar tie-ups have also (ii) Miscellaneous equipment air et- been made with other countries or these ment. are in the pipeline ; 3. Agreement was entered into between (d) whether Government propose to.go Hindustan Teleprinters and Mis SAGBM. in for total units from each manufacturer FRANCE for manufacture

Theft of Bitumen from Refineries (i) Government Departments/ Quasi Government bodies and public 3235. PROF RAMKRISHNA MORE: sector eoterprises should purchase SHRI B.B. RAMAIAH : their requirements of bitumen DR. A.K. PATEL: only from the oil companies. viz., SHRI Y ASHW ANTRAO GADAKH , Hindustan PATIL : Petroleum Corporation and Corporation. Will the Minister of PETROLEUM Contractors working for the AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to aforesaid category of organisatioJfs state: should be supplied the required quantities of bitumen by PWD or (a) whether Government, are aware other appropriate department and that about 30 per cent of the bitumen sent procurement by the contractors from the refineries to the god owns is on their own should not be one stolen and that Government are incurring of the conditions of the contract. loss to the tune of Rs. 14 crores annually from the Mathura Re'finery alone ; (ii) The relevant Enforcement Wings (b) if so, the estimated annual loss in and vigilance Cells should be terms of money on account of theft of activated to check pilferage from bitumen from the various rdineries in the -Government storage etc. country during the last three years (year- wise) ; (iii) The Director of Industries shoUld be advised to register units which (c) whether Government bave con- require bitumen as raw material ducted any inquiry into the nodus operandi only after the applicants give of the persons involved in the theft of satisfactory. evidence that an bitumen from the refineries ; authoritative purchase arrangement for bitumen has been made from (d) if so, the outcome thereof and the one or the other of the oil com- action taken by Government in the matter; panies. and

(e) the remedial steps proposed to be (iv) All industrial units requiring taken by Government? bitumen (80/100 or 60/70 or 30/40) as raw material for production THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE of Blown Bitumen grades, paints, MINISTRY OF PRTROLEUM AND inks, briquettes, etc., should be NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL advised by the Directorate of KlSHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b) No Industries to purchase their thefts of bitumen have been reported from bitumen requirements directly the R.efineries of the oil companies. from the oil companies. However, a section or the Press and Indian Olemical Manufacturers Association's have (v) The Directorate of Industries and reported thefts of Bitumen during the Sales Tax Department should transport and from premises of consumers. arrange for joint scrutiny of. the There bas been no loss to Mathura refinery records of the manufacturing due to these thefts. units in order to ascertain whether' (c), (d) and (e) Since the Biturmen bitumen has been obtained by the , produced by the refineri~s is mainly used units from the oil companies or b, Department. ~nd Organisations of State from unauthorised sources. Written Answers AGllAliAvA14A 19, 1907 (SAKA) W,.itten Answers 82

. Eagfneerilll Projects (India) Ltd. Employment opportunities to handicapped persons in Public Sector Undertakings 3236. SHRI PURNA CHANDRA MALIK: 3237. SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY SHRI ANIL BASU : be pleased to state: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (a) whether on the analogy of the Railway-workshop at giving (a) whether' it is a fact that out of job opportunities to handicapped persons, about lOS projects completed by the Government have provided such opportuni. Engineering Projects (India) Limited, only ties to handicapped persons in various two projects were unprofitable and that public sector undertakings; too due to some unfavourable terms accepted by its top management; (b) if so, the details of such under- (b) whether the performance record of takings and number of handicapped persons the EPI is satisfactory ; and employed in each of those undertakings, and (c) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) whether Government propose to DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND make it obligatory for the public under .. PETRO-CHEMICALS (SfIRI R.K. takings to give employment to handicapped JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) The persons '? Engineering Projects (India) Limited has incurred' losses mainly on their two overse- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE as projects i.e. AI-Firdous Housing DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Project, Kuwait and Council of Ministers PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. Building Project, Iraq. The ma in reasons JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (c) for the losses are heavy escalation in Government have issued guidelines to all piices during implementation of the Contral Public Sector Undertakings projects; rigid attitude of the clients in the advising them to reserve 30/0 of the matter of acceptance of works, settlement vacancies in groups C and D posts for of claims and release of guarantees, heavy physically handicapped persons. interest bUlden and guarantee charges; onset of contlict between Iran and Iraq. The company is incurring large losses every (b) Based on the information available year mainly on account of interest on with the Government, a statement indicat- overdrafts and Governments loans. The ing the number of handicapped perSO!lS financial results on current operations employed in various Pubhc Sector 'Under- excluding interest on loans are satisfactory. takings is given below : 83 Written Answers i:>BCBMBER io, 1985 Written Answtf"

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Smuggling of Coal from Bihar Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to Nepal to state whether there is. any proposal to 3239. DR. G.S. RAJHANS: establish an Institute for Court Manage- SHRIMATI PRABHAWATI GUPTA: ment to train new judges so that speedy SHRI CHITTA MAHATA: disposal of cases couJd be achieved? Win the Minsster of ENERGY be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB pleased to state : MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ): The matter (a) whether the Union .Government are regarding imparting rormal institutional aware that coal i's being smuggled to Nepal training to the judicial officers has been from Bihar; under consideration of the Government. (1) whether a truck has been recently In one of the resolution passed in the intercepted at Mython check post in Conference or Chier Justices of High Bihar which was carrying coa 1 to Nepal ; Courts, Chief Ministers and Law Minister of State held on 31st August and 1st (c) if so, whether Government propose Sept ember, 1985 at New Delhi, it was to check smuggling and theft of coal from recommended that there should be an the different coal-mines located in Bihar; Institute or Academy for the training of and judicial officers to be set up by the Central Government \l ith Chief Justice of India (d) if so, in what way '1 as the Chairman. The Central Government THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI has requested the Chief Justice of India VASANT SATHE): (a) The Government to intimate the p resent position in this have no information of any large scale regard. and also the type of assistance smuggling of coal to Nepal. that he would require from the Central Government for setting up the proposed (b) The information is being collected Institute! Academy. His reply is awaited. and will be laid on the "'able of the House. De\'elopm~nt of Automohile Engines for running on Alcohol (c) and (d) Effective steps in coopera- tion with the State Government authorties 3241. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMAN- have been taken for quite some time now GALAM: Will the Minister of PETRO- to check theft/pilferage of coal. These LEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased steps, inter alia, are : to state:

(i) Carrying out surprise checks; (a) whether several Rand D projects were financed by Government to develop (ii) Detection through flying squads automobile engines for running on alcohol consisting of police. Watch and Ward statT of the Coal Companies as in Brazil ; and Centra1 Industrial Secur ity (b) if so, the details of expenditure Force personnel; incurred thereon and the results (iii) CancelJation of licences of pri- achieved; vate coal depots within a radius (c) whether USA is using 10% alcohol of 8 kms by District author it i~s ; (Synthetic or biochemical) as this reduces pollution and serves as anti-lFnock agent (iv) Stricter regulation of supply of with better octane value and about 1 domestic coal to the consumers; billion gallons of alcohol fuel are produced from biomass in USA anually ; (v) De~artmentalisation of internal transport of coal/coke from (d) whether as per report presented by.,; pitheads to railway sid ings. United States Scientists at World Biote- chnology Symposium in Delhi, alcohol has l1Istitute for Court Management to train new Judges a positive energy balance; and (e) if so, whether Govelinment propose 3240. SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER: , SHlU S.M. BRAnAM: Will tbe to t~view their present poli~ie$ ? Written Answers AGRAFrAyANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Wrltfen Answer"

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Appointment of Development Co_is- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND· s loner for Drugs NATURAL GAS (SHRT NAWAL 3242. SHRI S.M. BHATTAM : J{ISHORE SHARMA): (a) and (1)) (i) SHRJ HARI KR ISHEN Automotive Research Association of India SHASTRI: Pune had undertaken two R&D projects SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: viz. 0) use of alcohol blended diesel. and (2) use of power alcohol in industrial' Will the Minister of INDUSTR.Y be diesel engines. The objectlve of project pleased to state : (t) was to experiment and prove through (a) whether it is a fact that Govern- intensive research the feasibility of diesel .. ment had created a separate post of alcohol blended fuels on selected class of Development Commissioner for Drugs engines whi le for project (2) it was to about two years ago to implement the conserve petroleum resources by use of scheme of Drugs Price Control ; power alcohol together with U diesel fuel in agricul1ural diesel engines. The cost (b) if so. the reasons for not fining the of t'hese two pro.iects was Rs. 1.50 lakhs post so far: and Rs 1 lakh respectively and has been , financed partly by the Government. (c) whether Government are aware that many Drug Units have been grossly violating the Drugs Price Control Order, (ii) IOC, R&D Centre, Faridabad. 1979 ; and c~nducted extensive laboratory and field tests for the evaluation of 10% and 20% (d) if so. the details of such case s ethyle alcohol and petrol. It has been during the Jast three years; established that upto 20% alcohol can be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE satisfactorily used in Indian cars, scooters. DEPARTtvtENT OF CHEMICALS AND motorcycles and military vehicles, without PETROCHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. JAI- any fuel system or engine modifications. CHANDRA SINGH) ~ (a) The post of Development Commissioner (Drugs) was (iii) Indian Institute of Petroleum, created after the announcement of the Dehradun is presently carrying out a Drug Policies in 1978. project on the use of alcohols in engines, (b) The post is not vacant. partly financed by CSIR. The project is now at an advanced stage and envisages (c) and (d) Information has already both partly and completely fuelling diesel been furnished in reply to Lok Sabha engines and two-stroke engines by Starred Question No. 220 answered on 3rd alcohols. December. 1985. L!st of Bhopal gas ivctims (c) The teachnical feasibility of using ethyl-alcohol in admixture with fuel has 3243. SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOW- been well-established in Brazil, in Europe DHARY: Win the Minister of INDU- and in the United States of ~merica. Some STRY be pleased to state: States in USA are using 10% alcohol or (a) whether Government have prepared o:xygented compounds, etc. in petrol other a list of the Bhopal gas victims; and to reduce the polluation and boost the octane value of the fuel. (b) if so, the number of victims? THE MINISTER of ST ATE IN THE (d) Alcohol has a positive energy DEPARTM~NT OF CHEMICALS AND balance. PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. JAI- CHANDRA SINGH) : (a) and (b) Accord- (e) Since use of alcohol as fuel is n(lt ing to t he available information. the considered to be optimum use of this number of persons affected by the gas industrial raw material in the country leakage disaster at Bhopal exceeds 3 laths. Government are not considering at present The Government of Madhya Pradesh is any proposal to use alcohol as fuel in 1. C. preparing a list with full details or tho elllines. vi~tims. 95 Written Answers DECBMBER 10, 1985 Written Answers

Proposals to curb mODopoly developmcnt "ased on t~e concept of growth centres and distance criteria and with emphsis as 3244. SHRI D. K. NAIKAR: Will the development of infrastructure, with the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to .special components of the scheme being state : designed for hill areas and the North East (a) whether he is aware that there are and other remote areas, keeping in view many monopoly houses in India being also the suitability of various ty pes of nursed and developed ; industries for location in these areas from the environmental angle. (b) whether he proposes to curb this trend of monopoly developed in order to The Committee is expected to submit its report by the end of this year. They allow fair competition with a view to improve both quality and quantity in the win inter-alia examine the claim of Palghat industrial production ; and in Kerala for being declared a backward area. (c) the details of the steps he pro- poses to take in the matter '1 [Trans lat ion] Scheme for environmental improvement In THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Bhopal DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND 'P~O-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K .. 3246. SHRI K. N. PRADHAN: Will JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) The under- the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to takings registered under MRTP Act are state : eligible to establish new undertakings or (a) whether the Madhya Pradesh expand only within the parameters of Government have prepared a scheme for Government policy and provisions of improvement in the environment of the MRTPAct. gas affected areas of Bhopal and submitted ·it to Union Government ; (b) and (c) The MRTP Act provides for prohibition of monopolistic, unfair and (b) if so, the broad outlines of this restrictive trade ,ractices which are aimed scheme and t4e expenditure involved ; and at ensuring competition. (c) whether Government have approv- Revision of norms for declaring Back- ed the scheme and if not, the reasons ward District therefor '1

3245. SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: THE MINISTER 'OF STATE IN THE . Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (SHRI pleased to state : PETRO - CHEMICALS R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether there is any proposal to revise the norms for declaring any district (b) The Environmental Improvement as a backward di~trict ; Scheme estimated to cost about Rs. 12 crores envisages paevd approaches., con- (b) if so, the details thereof; struction of drains, low cost sanitation, lighting, (c) 'Wnetnet Pa\~b.at d\~\t\c.\ \\\ Keta\a street water taps, shelter imorove. is going to be declared a backward ment, development of open spaces and district '? plantation, solid waste disposal arrange- ments, improvement of open wells and . THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE reclamation of low lying areas. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. (c) The Environnlental Improvement JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) An Scheme is a part of the Project Rep"rt .Inter·Ministerial Committee has been prepared by the State Government for constituted to review and revise the relief and rehabilitation of Bhopal gas existing scheme of incentives for setting victims and has been submitted to Govern- up industries in No-Industry Districtsl ment for consideration and aivin. Backward Areas. The Committee would necessary financial assistance. The s~heme, fo... ",late the revised in~nti ve scheme are yet to be examined. __ 4,"'- 97 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 98

Control or Pollution in Cement Factories mini/micro hyde} schemes. The mini/micro hydro-electric poteBtial : is not amenable to 3248. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : exact assessment due to variable factors. SHRI SOMNATH RATH : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be (c) Three mini/micro schemes with pleased to st,a te : total installed capacity of 3296 KWare under operation and two such sChemes , (a) whether it is a fact that not a with total installed capacity of 3500 leW single production centre of the Cem~nt are under construction. During the 7th Corporation of India is provided with dust Plana benefit ot 9500 KW is anticipated controller to control pollution; and from micro/mini/small hydro-electrie (b) if so, the arrangements made for schemes in Sikkim. controlling the pollution in these factories? (d) and (e) The power generated from THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE such schemes is u5ually fed into the nearest DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND sub-station of local grid for feeding the PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. various types of !oads which include JAICHANDRA SINGH); Ca) and (b) The ind ustrial and domestic_ Units of the Cement Corporation of India were provided with dust control equip. ments installed at the time of putting up Setting up of Capital Light Industries in the cement plants in line with the equip. Himachal Pradesh and and KasbDair ment and technology then available. Wherever posdble and feasible more 3250. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Will sophisticated air pollution control equip.. the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to ments are being installed progressively. state:

[English] (a) whether it is feasible to instal capital-light industries in States like Potential for mini-hyde) electric llower- Himachal Pradesh and Jammu and supply in Sikkim Kashmir; 9249. DR. T. KALPANA DEVI: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to (b) whether such a step would accele- state: rate growth in such hill States without creating ecological imbalance; and (a) whether it is a fact that Sikkim has a large potential for mini-hyde] electric (c) if so, whether Government propose power supply; to draw a plan for development of such (b) if so, whether full potential has industries in hill States? been assessed so far, the details thereof; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) how much of this potential has DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND been barnessed so far and how much is PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. IC. proposed to be harnessed during the JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) The Seventh Five Year Plan; degree of ecological disturbances due to sett\n~ \l\) 0\ \\'\.dus\t\a\ \In.\\~ de\)end~ U\)Qt\ \u) VJbe\.b.e! \ne'te ate a1\'1 \)\a\\.~ ~\)t \be nature and size ot industry-and not full utilisation of power generated fol' always the scale of capital investment- small scale industry and don1estic uses etc.; and the preventive measures taken by the and entrepreneur and/or other appropriate (e) if so, the details thereof? authorities. It has been the endeavour of State-both Central and State Govern- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ments-and institutions to accelerate the DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI growth of ind ustries in their States such ARIF MOHA~MAD KHAN): (a) and as Himachal -Pradesh and Jammu and (b) The hydro-electric potential of Sikkim Kashmir by providing incentives and has been assessed at 1.28 million KW (at measures incorporated in the various 60% 19ad factor) excluding potential from pro~rammes/scheme$, Wi ·(tten Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Wrlttlll Answers 100

'Development of indigenous polio vaccine (b) The objective of MRTP Act is not to totally prevent the growth of monopoly 3251. SHRI M. RAGHUMAREDDY : hOuses in the country but only to regulate Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be' the growth keeping in view the national, pleased to state: economic and industrial pr iorities,· to ensure that such growth does not result in (a) whether attention of Government concentration of wealth and llleans of bas been drawn to the news item appearing production to common detriment. In 'The Hindustan Times' of 25 August, 1985 wherein it has been stated that. an Breakdown in functioning of Public Enterprises indigenous po Iio vaccine has successfully been developed by the State-owned Haff'kine 3253. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN: Wiil Bio-Pharmaceutical Corporation Limited in the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to Bombay; state : (b) if so, the details thereof; and (a) whether it is a fact that there is a breakdown in the functioning of public (c) the time by which it will be made en terprises consequent upon theh transfer available to the publ ic '1 to Ministry of Industry as reported in the mE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 'Statesman t or 13 November, 1985; DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (b) if so, whether this is likely to PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI 1l.K. crea te more sick units ; and lAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. (c) if so, the corrective steps taken/ .. (b) The Haffkine Bio-Pharmaceuticals proposed? Corporation Ltd. have set up facilities~ with the assistance of WHO, for the produ- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ction of Ora] Polio Vaccines concentrate. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. (c) The quality of the vaccines produ- JAICHANDIlA SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. ced is to be tested as per WHO's Speci- arise. fications. After sa tisfa:tory completion (b) and (c) Do not of the tests the Oral Polio Vaccines concentrate will be commercia By [Translation] produced and the resultant vaccines releas- Approval for Coal Mining in Tametar ed for use. area, Gujarat Rate of growth of monopoly houses 3254. SHRJ NARSINH MAKWANA : 3252. SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: to state : (a) whether coal deposits in abundance (a) the rate of growth of monopply have been found in Tarnetar area in houses in the country over the last three Surendra Nagar district, Gujarat and years; and whether Gujarat Government had sought approval in 1980 for mining it and the (b) the steps Government have taken decision taken thereof ; to prevent concentration of wealth and means of production to common detri- (b) whether the Union Government ment? had decided in principle, to give approval THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE for mining and if so, the reasons for not giving after that ; DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND approval PETRO-CHEMICALS . (SHRI R. K. (c) whether the clarification asked for lAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) The a6sets of by the Union Government was given by undertakings registered under MRTP Act Gujarat in 1980 itself; and increased by 24.30/0' 19.7% and 20.50/0 during 1982, 1983 and 1984 respectively (d) if so, reasons for not implelllentin8 over the precedins ),ear. decision in this regard ? t01 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answtrs 102

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SH ').. 1 of mo.re than six years has elapsed since VASANT SATHE): (a) to (d) In J"ly then; and 1979, it was decided by the Central GOVCi·:~­ ment that while continuing the exist ii1g (c) whether the Mand Thermal Power policy of the Government carryjng out Station of Madhya Pradesh has sot a priority over others in getting supply of coal mining operations in the country by coal from this area? its own undertakings, the State Government might also be allowed to carry out mining THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI operations in . 'isolated small pockets' VASANT SATHE) : (a) and (b) Geological .subject to certain conditions laid down in Survey of India has carried out regional this regard. exploration for coal in Sithra Dhramjoy- garh, Khargaon Kurumkal Amgao, Chhal In February, 1980 the State Govern- areas in the Mand-Raigarh coalfields for ment of Gujarat approached the Central the last four to five years. 1390 million Government for grant of mining lease in tonnes of coal of proved and ind icated favour of Gujarat Minerals D~velopment categories have been estimated. Corporation Limited for exploitation of coal in villages Khakharthal, Tarne- (c) Linkage of coal to the Mand Ther- tar Chandrelia and Velala in District mal Power Station of Madhya Pradesh can Surerdra Nagar. They inter-alia requested be considered only after the power pro- to allow the Gujarat Minerals Develop- ject is approved in principle by the Plann- ment Corporation to sell the coal to be ing Commission for investment and coal mined by them on cost plus profit basis. linkage. As one of the conditions regarding sale of coal as per the grade .. wise prices noti- fied by the Central Government from time [English] to time was not fulfilled, the Stl te Govern- ment was informed that relaxation in the Allocation of Levy Cement to l\labara- shtra, Kamataka and Gujarat condition regarding selling of coal could not b~ granted as the coal prices are statu· 3256. SHRI S.G. GHOLAP: torily fixed by the Central Governn1ent. SHRI C.D. GAMIT : The State Governn1ent have again approa- ched the Central Government for grant of Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be permission for mining of coal by the pleased to state : Gujarat Minerals Development Corpora· tion in relaxation of the condition regard- (a) the quarterly allotment of levy ing prices of coal. No decision h as been cement to Maharashtra, Karnataka and taken. Gujarat in the year 1984-85 and the actual supply made by the factories; Coal supply to Mand Thermal Power Station Madhya Pradesh (b) whether it is a fact that many factories are not supplying levy cement to 3255. SHRI SUBHASH YADAV: Will the allottees of State Government; and the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state : (c) if so, the action taken for less supply '1 (a) whether his Ministry had infornled in 1978 that the exploration work was THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE going on in the area in and around Mand- DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Kachhar and factual position would be, PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. JAI- clear only after about' two years; CHANDRA SINGH): (a) The quarterly allotment of levy cement and the supply (b) if so, whether Government ~ould made by the factories during the year 1984- indicate whether or not the a va ilability 85 to the States of Maharashtra, Karnataka position of coal is now clear as a period and Gujarat, are siven below: • 103 ~Vr"tten Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Wrltl,,. Anlwars 104

(Figures in 'OOOMT)

FAllptment Despatches Percentaae GUJARAT including I and P Incl uding I and P (i) Qr. 11/84 284 175 (ii) Qr. 111/84 268 242 (iii) Qr. IV/84 290 308 (iv) Qr. 1/85 287 260 Total: 1129 -_98S 87.34 MAHAR ASHTRA

(i) Qr. 11/84 425 383 (ii) Qr. 111/84 412 391 (iii) Qr. IV /84 458 389 (iv) Qr. I{85 426 315

Total: 1721 1478 85.88

KARNATAKA (i) Qr. 11/84 202 163 (ii) Qr. 111/84 210 229 (iii) Qr. IV /84 223 174 (iv) Qr. 1/85 218 167

Total: 853 733 85.93

(b) and (c) The despatches to these States range from 85% to 87% of the allotment which is considered to be satisfactory.

A utomobile Manufacturers using Sub- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE standard Parts DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PBTRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. 32S7. PROF. K. V. THOMAS: Will JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) The the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to Government have not received any specific state: complaint regarding use of sub-standard parts by the original equipment n'Ulnufac-

Item All India West Bengal 1980-81 to 1983-84 1980-81 to 1983-84

1. No. of new units established 12,60,328 23,169

2. Employment generated (Nos.) 40,61.753 91,421

3. Project Report Perpared (Nos.) 4,97,538 33,140

4. Entrepreneurs identitied (Nos.) 16,60,789 88.804

S. Technical a SSJstance rendered (Nos. 4,41,480 20,561

6. Credit assistance provided by ftnancial Ill$titut ions, (R.s. in crores) 1881.89 90'81

(e) No taraets for the prolramme are fixed. As such the question of shortfall does not arise. . , 107 DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answers 108

Exports by Public Undertakings taken to increase e~ports of public sector undertakings ; and 3259. SHRI Y ASHW ANTRAO GADAKH PATIL: Will the Minister of (c) whether a,ny targets for exports INDUSTRY be pleased to state: have been fixed for various undertakings?

(a) the value of exports by Hindustan THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Machine Tools and Bharat Heavy Elec- DEPARTMENT OF; CHEMICALS AN1). trical Limited during the last three PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. IC. years; JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) The value of exports of IIMT and BHEL are the (b) the measures proposed to be following:

1982-83 1983-84 1984-85 (Rs. in crores)

HMT 19.16 19.32 18.94 BHEL (i) Physical exports 30.26 27.35 4.51 (ii) Beemed exports 52.78 120.25 212.97

,_ ------.- . Total (BHEL) 83.04 147.60 217.48

(b) The following are among the (vii) Setting up of export cells to measures to promote exports of public boost export of engineering enterprises: goods.

(i) Favourable treatment to advanced (c) Some of the public enterprises and modern technology imports have their export targets. for export production;

(ii) Cash Compensatory Support; Wholesale kerosene dealers in Delhi·

(iii) Expansion of period of pre- 3260. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN: shipment credit at concessional Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND rate of interest from 135 days to NArURAL GAS be pleased to state : ISO days in respect of certain (a) the number of wholesale dealers item s of engineering and otner of kerosne oil who have been given agency export. oriented industries; for sale of Kerosene in Delhi by the Indian Oil Corporation ; (iv) Streamlining of policies and 1 procedures to reduce delay in the (b) whether Government propose to disbursement of duty drawback; increase the number of these dealers; and (v) Exporters of engineering goods (c) so, the details are being supplied their require· if thereof '} ments of steel at international THE MINISTER. OF STATE OF THB ptices. The ditletence between MINISTRY OF "PETROLEUM AND dome'tlc \')rice and international NATURAL GAS (SRRl' NAWAL llrlce is reimbursed to the K1SHORE, SRAllMA)! (a) roc has 31 exporters after the exports are SKO·LDO Dealerships in existence alon etfected. 31-10 1985 in the Union Territory of Delhi for distribution of Kerosene. (~) Provision of export credit by the E&im Bank. (b) Yea, Sir. WrUtslI An8wtrS AGRAHAYANA 19. 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 110

(c) IOC has planned to create 17 Overbaul of IDPL more SKO-LDO dealerships in the Union Territory of Delhi at tbe following loca- 3262. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: tions : SHRI MANIK REDDY: 1. Delhi (Trinagar) SHRISUBHASH YADAV: 2. Delhi (Krishan Nagar) SHRIMATI JAYANTI 3. Delhi (Navinshahdara) PATNAIK: 4. Delhi (Uttamnagar) Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be S. Delhi (Shahdara) pleased to state: 6. Delhi (Naraina) (a) whether Indian Drugs and Pharma- 7. Delhi (Lodhi Road) ceuticals Ltd. has any proposal under 8. Delhi (Narela) consideration to overhaul its organisation 9. Delhi (Model Town) and structure and personnel policy; 10. Delhi (Shakarpur) (b) if so, the details thereto ; and 11. Delhi (Mehrauli) 12. Delhi (Shaktinagar) (c) how far it will be more beneficial to the working of this organisation '1 13. Delhi (Jahangirpuri) 14' Delhi (Janakpuri) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND 15. Delhi (Munirka) PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. 16. Delhi I JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) to (c) 17. Delhi II IDPL have taken up, with the assistance of Foundation for Organisation Research, a review of the Organisational structure Criteria for selecting big villages and ~t and the personnel policies. small townsJor allotting LPG Agency [Translation]

3261. SHRI BALWANT SINGH Proper utilisation of molasses RAMOOW ALIA: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS 3263. SHRI JITENDRA SINGH : Will be pleased to state: the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (a) whether there is any proposal to allot L.P.G. agencies in big villages and (a) whether it is a fact that the stock small towns in the country ; and of molasses in many sugar factories and mills in eastern Uttar Pradesh is goina waste; and (b) if so, the criteria for selecting such villages and towns ? (b) if so, whether Government propose to formulate a long term policy for the proper THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE utilisation of molasses with a view to save MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND it from going waste and to manufacture NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL other useful by-products therefrom which KISHORB SHARM,\): (a) and (b) G.0uld be beneficial for the country ~ Towns havinl a population of 20.000 and THE MINISTER. OF STATE IN TaB sut\\c\ent marketing potential more ofteting DE"PARTMENT OF CHEMICALS' AND fot an economica\'y 'liable d\stt ibutotsni\') llEiRO - CllEMICl\LS (SHIll R.. K. are being covered by the 0 i\ Industry fot lAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) The Govern. opening LPG distributorships in a phased ment of Uttar Pradesh has informed thaf manner, depending upon the augmentation it is not correct. of bottlina capacity and other infra- • trcut.re facUitica. (b) Does not arise • ill Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answers i12

[English] PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be UpgradatiOil of telephone system in pleased to state: North Bihar (a) wilether manufacturers of gas- 3264. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: stoves and regulators are issued licences Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS by Government ,; be pleased to state : (b) if so, whether Government pro- (a) whether there is any programme pose to take any action against the manu- for upgrading the teleph.::-ne system in facturel s with a view to. checking the various telephone exchanges of North manufacturers of fake and inferior quality Bihar; gas stoves and regulators; (b) if so, the details thereof; and (c) if so, the details thereof; and (c) if not, the reasons thereof? (d) if not, the reasons therefor '1 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF CO~.fMUNICATIONS THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE , (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDIIA) : (a) Yes, MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND Sir. There is a programme for upg~ading NA TURAL GAS (SHRI NA WAL KISHORE the telephone system in various telephone SHARMA): (a) The Gas Stove Industry exchanges of North Bihar. is reserved for development in the small (b) There are proposals for replacement scale sectOr. As such no applications for of central battery exchanges by automatic letters of intent/DGTD registrations are exchanges at Siwan, Kishanganj, Begusarai being considered. A licence under the and Khagaria. There are also proposals Industries (Developnlcnt and Regulation) for replacement of central battery Act, 19,1 is required by units other than exchanges by electron it '. xchanges at those in the smal1-scale sector for manu- Madhubani, Saharasa, Madhepura, Hazlpur facture of LPG regu1ators. and Purnea. (b) Action in accordance with the Jaw (c) Question does not arise in view of can be taken in appropriate cases. reply as at (a) and (b) above. (c) and (d) 0,) not arise. Development of Telecommunication System in Tirpura during 7tb Plan tEng/ish] 3265. SH~I AJOY BlSWAS: WIll the Scbeme for workers' participa tion in Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Management in Public Sector Coal pleased to stite the details of the schemes Industry for development of telecommunication system in Tripura during the Seventh Five 3267. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY : Year Plan ~ SHRI P.M. SAYEED : SHRI SOMNATH RATH : THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Will the Minister of ENERGY be (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): For the pleased to state: telecommunication services for the country, (a) the details of the scheme for an outlay of Rs. 4010 crores has been workers· participa tion in the managemeDt approved QY the Planning Commission. of the public sector coal industry to take on this outlay, guidelines have been Baaed effect from March next year ; given to the states units for fina1isin~ their plans. The details of the schemes (b) whether this scheme will be intro- for Tripura will be known after plans for duced only in phases at the area and N.B. Region are finalised. corporate levels; [Translation] (c) if so, the details of such proposed Lieeoees for 18aDufacturers of gas stoves ~ implementation; and and regulators (d) the details of the scheme of 3266. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR workers' participation in the manalement TRIPATHI: Wil1 the Minister of of the public sector coal industry, which 113 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 114 was formulated in December, 1983 by the to be installed during the Seventh Five Year Plan? Labour Ministry? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF VASANT SATHE): (a) The scheme ~OHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (e) The envi~ages that every unionised worker will Information is being colleted and will be indicate" by secret ballot, the union which laid on the Table of the House. should represent him in the participative forums. The Unions which secure 10% [Translation] or more of the votes of the unionised workers wi 11 nominate their repr~sentatives Production of Cement on the participative forums in proportion 3269. SHRI C.D- GAMIT : to the votes secured by them. No craft SHRI JAGANNATH union or union based on caste or comm- PATTANA1K: unity will be covered by the Scheme. Only the employees will be entitled to be Will the Minister of iNDUSTRY, be nomrnated at the colliery level. pleased to state: (b) and (c) To begin with, efforts are (a) the target set for production of being made to introduce the Scheme by cement for each year of the Sixth Five March 1986 at the Unit level only. Other Year Plan and the extent to which these levels ;111 be covered gradually in phases. targets have been achieved ; (d) The Labour Ministry's Scheme (b) the reasons for which these in question providc;.!s for employees' targets could not be achieved fully ; participation in Central Public Sector (c) whether any special instructions Enterprises at the shop and plant levels have been issued or are proposed to be and selectively at the Board level. Both issued by Government to cement producers workers and management are to get equal to achieve the target; and representation at the shop level and plant level forums. The management is to (d) if so, the details thereof? consult the Trade Union leaders and evolve through consensus the mode of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE representation of workers at aU levels. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO·CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. Generation of nuclear, tidal and solar JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) Target and energy actual production of cement during the Sixth Five Year Plan were as follows : . 3268. SHRI BRAJA MOHAN MOHANTY : Will the Minister of (M HIion tonnes) ENERGY be pleased to state : Year Target Actual (a) the total quantity of nuclear, tidal Production and solar energy generated during the Sixth Five Year Plan ; 1980-81 20.00 18.66 (b) the quantity of such generation 1981-82 22.23 21.01 during the last year of the Sixth Five Year 26.00 23.32 Plan; 1982-83 28.00 27.07 (c) the taraets fixed for the Seventh 1983-84 Five Year Plan; 1984-85 34.50 30.17 (d) any additional steps taken or pro- (b) The target of production could not posed to be taken to safeguard against be achieved in these years mainly due to explosion of nuclear stations and to pre- constraints relating to inputs such a8 vent poll~tion, details thereof; and power and coal, non-availability of railway (e) the places in the country where wagons for movement of coal and cement, nuclear eoerl)' stations have been proposed slippages in commissioning of certain new • l i-; . I ~ 115 Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written AnSWer; ii~ .

projects/expansions and teething troubles (Development and R.egulation) Act, 1951 faced by the new units in general and by during the last 2 years. the units with one million tonnes capacity per annum in particular. . (b) Does not arise.

(c) and (d) Cement manufacturers are Share of West Bengal in Industrial output, being continuously advised to increase Value added, ElDploYJDeDt and ,number of production to achieve the targets. With factories this end, Industry was advised to instal captive power plants to meet about 40~~ of 3271. SHRI BHOLANATH SEN: their power requirements. Production of Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state : cement is also c]osely monitored by the Development Commissioner ror Cement Industry with a view to taking appropriate (a) the share of West Bengal in timely action to minimise infrastructural country's total industrial output, value constrain t8. added, employment and number of factories during 1982·83 to 1984-85 ; and

(b) the reasons for decline, if any, in [English] West Bengal's share? Take Oler of sick industrial companies THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND 3270. SHRI UTIAM RATHOD : Will PRTRO·CHEMICALS (SARI R.K. the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) A statement Itate : showing share of West Bengal in the country's total industrial output, value (a) the names of the sick industrial added, employment and number of companies/units taken over by Government factories during 1976-77 to 1981-82 is given during the last two years ; and below. The data for later years are not available. (b) the steps taken to modernize these and get them going into prod uction 1 (b) The performance of West Bengal in absolute terms in respect of industrial THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE output, value added t employment and DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND number of factories has been showing PRTRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. distinct improvement. However, the JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) No industrial relative share of a state depends upon the unit has been taken over by Government overall performance of the State vis-a-vis under the provisions of Industries that of other States.

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Opening or new Post and Telegraph offices onneeting Banaer district with in West Bengal National Trunk Dialling System

3272. DR. PHULRENU GUHA : Will 32 ,. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER the Minister of COh1MUNICATJONS be JAIN:t Will the Min,ister of COMMUNI. pleased to state : CATIONS be pleased to state :

(a) whether Governnlent have a (a) the time by which Barmer and proposal to open some new post offices and Balotra citi~s in Barmer district in telegraph offices in West Bengal in 1985-86 ; R~jasthan are proposed to be connected . 'with Jodhpur by Digital Coaxial Cable and system; and (b) if so, the number of new post offices and telegraph offices proposed to be (b) the time by which Barmer district opened in Midnapore district of that will be connected with National Trunk State in the ab ve financial year ? Dialling system? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) (SHRI RA~1 NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) The Barmer and Balotra cities are likely to be prop:sal is to open, telegraph offices connecting with Jodhpur by Harmer- (Combined Offices), ,As regards post Balotra-lodhpur-Mathania-Phalodi-Pokran- offices, in view of the current ban on laisalmer digital coaxial system by the end creation of posts, no proposals has been of . th~ . 7th plan, subiect to timely finalised. avaIlabilIty of cable and equipment. (b) Five telegraph offices (Combined (b) Barmer district headquarter is Offices) are proposed to be opened in likely to be connected with National Midnapore district during the year Trunk Dialling system by the end of 7th 1985-86. plan, subject to completion of the digital coaxial scheme mentioned above. [Translation] [English] Setting up of Heavy Industries in Phulpur (Uttar Pradesb) Licensed and installed capacity of GriseoOuvin 3273. SHRI RAM PUJAN PATEL: 3275. SHRI HARI KRISHNA Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be SHASTRI: Will the Minister of pleased to state : INDUSTRY be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to (a) whether i~ is a fact that Indian set up heavy industries at Soraon and DrugS and Pharmaceuticals Limited is Handia Tehsils of Phulpur Parliamentary licensed to produce Griseofluvin ; Constituency in Uttar Pradesh; and ; , (b) if so. tbe licensed and installed (b) the reasons fcr which this backward capacity; area has so far been neglected in the matter (c) the plaut was set up for of setting up of industries '1 when: production ot this drua and what is the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE original value, of plant and machinery ; DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (d) whether any technology was PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K purchJl,sed by IDPL, if so, the source and JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) There is no proposal to set up any heavy price tpaid therefor ; t • industry in the public sectot at Soraon and (d) the estimated requirement of this Handia Tehsils of U ltar Pradesh. If there drug during 19S5-S6; are any applications req uesting for licences etc. for setting up units in these' areas, (1) whether it is also a fact that his they will be considered on merits keeping Mini ry reeommedded for huge capacity in view the ba~kwardness of the area. of tllis drug to certain private sector ; 121 J"rltten Answers AGRAHAY ANA 19. 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 122

(a) if so, the capacity, stage of SSI units have been registered in the district manufacture_ recommend~d and . whether the for saw-milling, bidi making, wooden company bolds any forelln equity ; and furniture, carpentry, ~asket making, rope- making etc. (b) 't1re name of the company and the percentage of foreign holding 1 Telecommunication facilities in Gajarat , 'THE 'MINISTER OF STATE IN mE 3277. SHRI RANnT SINGH GABIe.. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND WAD :'Will the Minister 01 COMMUNr.- PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K.. CATIONS be pleased to state: JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Yes, (a) whether Government propose to Sir. provide telecommunication facilities in.. (b) Licensed and Installed capacity of rural and backward areas of Gujarat IDPL for Griseotluvin is 6.-00 MT and 1.00 during the next five years; MT .respective1y based on four 10Ms (b) the amount proposed to be inves- fermentors and activity level of ~500 ted for the purpose in Gujarat during the U/ml. --4 ne:x:t five years;

(c) Plant was set up in 1975-76.. The (c) whether integrated digital network initial investment in plant and macbInery is envisaged to be commissioned in the was Rs. 9.59 lakhs. selected districts of Gujarat during the Seventh Five Year Plan ; and .~ (d) NOt Sir. However, IDPL received strain and technology from the Soviet (d) if so, the details thereof '1 Union .under package deal as a part of agreement for setting up Antibiotics plant THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THB· at Rishikesh. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, (e) 20.92 M.T. Sir. (f )'to (h) Glaxo has beeD issued ·M/s. (b) Funds are allotted to the circles a letter of Intent to produce 20 tonnes of each year depending upon the availability Gr iseofI uvin from the basic stage in terms of resources. During 1985-86 an expendi- of the Licensing and Drug policies. The ture of about Rs. 1.4 crores is expected foreign equity of this company is 40% to be incurred for providing Telecom facilities in the rural areas of Gujarat. Establishment or forest based industry in Balongir District (Orissa) (c) No, Sir.

3276. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: Will (d) Does not arise. the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased l\li~managem~nt ;n Private Sector to state : 3278. SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA: (a) whether Balongir di~trict in Orissa Will the Ivlinister of INDUSrRY be has been ideally located for the establi- pleased to state : shment of forest-based industries; (b) if so, the steps taken to set up (a) the steps Government have taken such type of iudustry in that district; and so far or propose to take in the near- future in order to tackle mismanagement (c) the details thereof '1 in private sector; and

THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE (b) the details thereof? DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) Accord- DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND ing to the Action Plan of the District PETRO - CHEMlCALS (SHRI R.K.. Industries Centre, Balongir, there is scope JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) for setting up forest-based SSI units in the Provisions are laid down in Chapter VI I)i'tri~t. Till tdarch, 1984, 125 forest-based (Sections ~97-409) of the Companies Act. Written An.fwers DECEMBER 10. 1985 Wrltt,n AIISw", 124

1956, to tackle mismanagement of com- endeavour of the Government to dispose panies registered under the Act. Sharehol- of all such industrial licence applications ders and creditors have thereunder also as expeditiously as possible. With this been empowered to move the High Court end in view, the procedures have been or the Company Law Board under certa\n streamlined. circumstance inter alia in the event of mismanagement of a company. In public Hydel Electric ity resource! in HilDacha I companies Government also regulates Pradesh appointment and terms and conditions of appointment of Inanagerial personnel, 3280. SHRI K.D. SULTANPUBI : namely, Managing Director/Wholetime Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased Director/Manager and while examining to state: such proposals, Government consider the (a) whether there are numerous fit an4 proper character of the proposed resources for generating hydel electricity, appointee. The existing prOVISions are in Himachal Pradesh ; considered adequate for the purpose. (b) whether the Himachal Pradesh ladustrial L ic:ences and Letters of Intent State Electricity Board bas submitted any issued in 1985 schemes for generation of hyde) elect- 3279. SHRI P.M. SAYEBD: Will the ricity in the State, if so, the capacity of Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to power likely to be generated by those state : schemes, if implemented, the details there- of; and (a) the number of industrial licences and the letters' of intent issued during (c) whether Government propose to the current financial year so far, State- permit the Himachal Pradesh Sta te wise details thereof ; and Electricity Board to enter into agree- ment with other parties/undertakings for (b) the number of applications for the implementation of those schemes in Industrial Licences and letter of intent case -the Union Government do not finance pending at peesen t and the approximate those schemes ? time by which these applications are likely to be disposed' of ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER «SHRI ARJF THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) Himachal DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Pradesh has a large hydro-electric potential PETRO CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. JAL- tentatively t!stimated at 11. 6 million KW CHANDRA SlNGH): (a) Under the pro- at 60% load factor. visions of the Industri~s (Development and Regulation) Act, 820 letters of intent & 689 (b) Yes, Sir. The details are given industriallicences· were issued during the in Statement given below. period April-November, 1985. Details, (c) It is primarily for the State such as, name & address of the under- Government to find resources to develop taking, location (including the name of their hydro-electric potential. Execution district/State), items of manufacture and of some of the major projects in the Central capacity, etc. in respect of letters of sectcr can a Iso be considered, if there intent and industrial licences issued are is a mutual agreement between the State being published regularly by the Indian and Centre. The State Government could Inv.estment Centre in their 'Monthly also enter into agreement with neighbo- Newsletter'. Copies of this publkation uring State Governments for execution of are being sent to the Parlia ment Library projects, if the parties concerned are regularly. willing. Agreements with external agencies (b) As on 1.12.85, 884 industrial or with private parties would however licence applications received under the require approval of Centra) Government. provisions of Industries (Development and Such cases would be considered OD R.egulation) Act, for grant of letters of merits based on factors like availability intent/industrial licences were at various of resources, extent and nature of ~tcrllaJ, stases of con,iOeration. It is the ~oll$tant financins etc. 125 Wrltte1t An,wers AGRAH AYANA 19t 1907 (SAKA) Written Answer s 128

In -addition to the Nathpa Jhakri cedures in regard to the scheme of broad Hydro-electric project (1020 MW), the banding in respect of MRTP/FERA Com- modalities for execution of which as panies. a joint- venture between Government of (c) and (d) Amplification and ration- India and Govt. of Himachal Pradesh are under active consideration, the alisation of the industrial policy is a continuing exercise and the suggestions following hydro-electric projects are under made in this regard including those made techno-economic examination in Central by the Panel are taken into account Electricity Authority/Central Water Commission;- while considering further measures in accordance with the indus trial policy ------Project Installed Annual Oil exploration in Andhra Pradesh Capacity Energy 3282. SHRI V. TULSI RAM: Will (MW) (Gwh) the Min;ster of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS. be pleased to state: Uhl St. III 70 294 Lerji 126 570 (a) whether Government are consider- ing exploration of oil and gas in the basln 1192 Chamera St. II 273 of the major rivers in Andhra Pradesh Ghanvi 15 96 which have rich reserves ; Sanjay Augmenta tion 54 (b) if so, the deta Us of the areas identified for the purpose ; Modifications in Broad.banding Scheme (c) the details of the scheme in this regard; and 3281. SHRI ANAND SINOH : Will the (d) the time by which the scheme will Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to be imp lemented ? state: THE MI NISTER OF STATE OF TIlE (a) whether the Federation of Indian MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND Chambers of Commerce and Industry has NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL called upon Government for modifica- KISHORE SHARMA: (a) and (b) Explora- tions in the broad banding scheme of tion for oil and g:1S by ONGC in the items of manufacture to render the lice- Krishna-Godavari basin in Andhra ensing mechanism more flex:ible ; Pradesh is already in progress. Wells (b) if so, what is the precise demand have been dr iJled in Narsapur, Razole, of the Federation ; Amlapuram. Bhiroanapalli, Kaikalur. Modi and Kaza, Drilling is in progress at M~tsyapuri (c) V\ bether broad-banding in respect Tatipaka, and Bhimanapalli. of various classes of items of manufacture In addition the following locations have has already been amended ; and been iden tified for future drilling: (d) if so, the details in this regard? . Pa)]akollu, Draksbarma, Surasaryanam , Pul1etikuru, VetlapaJam, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Vadaparu, M '" rd"rela. MaEatapalle, DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Kommugudem and Achanta. PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. (c) and (d) It is ploposed to driU 7 JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) wells in 1S 85- 86 arid 9 wells in 1986-87. A Panel Discussion organised by the Drilling is J i tdy to c( ntinue throughout Federatlon of Indian Chambers of the Seventh Plan period. Commerce and Industry in September 1985 on broad banding, while welcoming Alloca~lon of Kerosene to Kerala the scheme of broad banding. have 32~3. SHRI K. KUNJAMBU : inleralia suggested further liberalisation SJIRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: in the policy of broad banding, stipulation of a minimum economic capacity for Will the Minister of PETRPLEUM ~b ind\lstry and simplification of pr~ AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to $t~te 127 Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answers 128

(a) the total monthly demand for (e) jf not, the reasons for that kerosene in Kerala ; decision?

(b) how much kerosene is being THE -MINISTER OF STATE IN THB supplied at present ; DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI . R.K. (c) whether Government of Kerala JAICHANDRA SINGH):, (a) Price have demanded more allocation of increases resorted to by the industry in. kerosene; and March, 1985 vary from unit to unit as well (d) if so, the steps taken to meet the as from variety to variety in each unit. demand? However, according to an analysis made by BICP, by and large, increase in prices of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tyres in March, 1985 was not generally in MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND proportion to increase in production costs NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL as a result of 1985-86 Budget. There has KISHORE 'SHARMA) : (a) to (d) The been no increase in manufacturers' prices requirement of kerosene of States/Union since March, 1985. Territories including Kerala State is normally assessed by allowing a S% growth (b) to (e) In absence of control on over the allocation made during the prices of raw materials and conversion corresponding period of the previous year costs and in the prevailing competitive on a four-month-block basis. market condition, where the installed For the present Winter Block com- capacity is in excess of what the market prising the months of November, 1985 to can sustain, Government do not consider it February, 1986, an allocation at the necessary to intervene in the prices/distribu- enhanced rate of 7!% has been made to tion of prices of tyres. However, enable the State Government to meet the Government constantly reviews measures likely increased demand. Accordingly, required to stabHise the prices of raw Kerala has been al10ca ted a total quantity materials and other inputs as well as the of 17,240 tonnes per month for the incidence of indirect taxes so as to enable Winter Block, as against 16840 tonnes the tyre industry to maintain the prices of asked for by the Kerala Governmen t in ty res at reasonable level. Import of September, 1985. automotive tyres ". has also been placed under open General Licence.

Measures to Check Increase in tyre Prices [Transa/tion]

3284. SHRI ANIL BASU : Take over of Rohtas Group of Industries,. SHRI SOMJIBHAI DAMOR : Dalmia Nagar (Bihar) Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be 3285. SHRI VIJOY KUMAR pleased to state : Y ADA V : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that the recent increase in tyre prices resorted to by the (a) whether it is a fact that twenty tyre industry despite informal understand- thousand labourers are facing starvation ing with Government, is totally out of due to closure of Rohtas Group of proportion to the increase in costs of Industries at Dalmia Nagar in Bihar since various inputs of the said industry; a long time; (b) if so, whether any measures have (b) if so, whether Government of been taken to ensure fair prices to the Bihar have sent a proposal for the take- ultimate users by screwing the industry; over by the Union Government; details of the measures taken, if any ;

(c) if not, whether some measures will (c) if so, the details thereof; and be initiated now; (d) the reaction of GovernQlen\ (d) if so, when ; and tlleretQ? 129 Writtln Answers AGRAHA YANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written AnswerS 130

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ): According to DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AN~) the information furnished by the Com- PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K.. mittee for Implementing Legal Aid JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) :Roht.ls Schemes :- Industries Limited, Dalmianagar employing nearly 15,000 workers is lying closed since (a) All the States except the State of Nagaland have set up Boards for legal aid. 9.9.1984. Steps are being taken in the State of (b) There is no proposal under con- Nagaland also in this regard. sideration of Government to take over the unit under. the provisions of (b) and (c) An experienced Administra- Industries (Development and Regulation) tive Officer at the Central Level has been Act. asked to evaluate the work done by the State Legal Aid and Advice Boards. No (c) and (d) Do not arise. details in this regard are available as the Evaluation Report is awaited. [Eng'ish] (d) and (e) The Committee for Production of Aluminium Three Wheeler Implementing legal Aid Schemes is actively Car considering the preparation of a com- prehensive BiJl for legal aid and advice to 3286. SHRI T. BALA GOUD : Will the poor. At this stage, the details in the Minister of'INDUSTRY be pleased to this regard are not available with tke State : Government. (a) whether it is a fact that alumini- um three-wheeler car is likely to be Natiooalisation of Manufacturing and produced in ~he country ; and Distribution of Drugs 3288. SHRI CHITTA MAHATA: (b) is so, the details in this regard? Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to state: DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS· AND PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. (a) whether it is a fact that Govern- JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. ment are considerin& to nationalise manufacturing and distribution of drugs in (b) Does not arise. the country; (b) if so, the details thereof; and Setting up of Boards for Legal Aid to the Poor in States (c) if not, the reasons therefor?

3287. SHRI SRIBALLAV~PANIGRAHI: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of LAW AND DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R.Ie. JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. (a) the names of the States in which Boards for legal aid to the poor have been (b) Does not arise. set up ; (c) Government are of the view that (b)' whether any evaluation has been at this stage there is no need for nation- made in respect of the work· done by alisation of the industry. these boards ; , Industrialisation of Backward States (c) if so, the details thereof; (d) whether Government propose to 3289. PROF. P.I. KURIEN : Will the have a comprehensive leais]ation for ]ela] Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to aid to the poor; and state : (e) if so, the details in this regard? (a) Whether any major thrust is being given to the industrialisation of brtckward THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Stales including Kerala during the MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE Seventh Five Jear P~an ; 131 DECBMBBit 10, \985 Written ANSwer, '

(b) if so, the details thereof; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COM MUNICATJONS (c) whether any significant etTort has (SHRI RAM NI~ AS MIRDHA) : (a) No, been made in this regard during the past Sir. one year ; and (b) Does not arise. (d) if so, the result thereof? (c) The number of post offices opened in Bihar during the last 3 years is as THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE follows: DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. 1982-83 121 JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) It 1983·84 212 is the accepted policy of the Government to encourage the setting up of industries 1984-85 6 in backward areas. Towards this end, the Govt. is operating a number of sc~emes COIDDlissioniog of Cemen t Plant a t like Central Investment Subsidy, Transport Tandur in Aodhra Pradesh Subsidy and Interest Subsidy etc. 3291. SHru K. S. RAO: Will the Details of all these schemes are contained Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to in the booklet on "Incentives for state : Industries in Backward Areas" read with Press Note No. 14/2/83·DBA-I dated 9.4.85, (a) the reasons for abnormal delay copies of which are available in the in commissioning of the 3000-tonne per Parliament Library. day capacity cement plant at Tandur in Andhra Pradesh ; (c) and (d) There bas been an increase (b) whether it is a fact that civil and in the issue of Letters of Intent (LOI) and equipment machine ry works are not Industrial Licences (IL) granted in backward progressing as per schedule due to holding areas during the year 1985 as compared to up of huge payments to these agencies; the year 1984 as would be eviden t from the and following table :- (c) if so, the remedial measures pro- posed to be taken by Government to All Backward Backward Year expedite the commissioning' of the project Areas Areas of where Government have already spent over Kerala Rs. tOO crores ? LOI IL LOI IL THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1984 627 323 5 13 DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. 1985 625 377 15 13 JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) The 3,000 ------TPD capacity cement plant at Tandur in (Jan .• Oct.) Andhra Pradesh is expected to be commis. sioned as per schedule. Opening of Post Offices in rura I areas (b) No, Sir. in Bibar (c) Does not arise. 3290. SHRI C. ·P. THAKUR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Opening of more Kerosene retail be pleased to state : outlets in Madhya Pradesb (a) whether there is any blanket ban 3292. KUMARI· PUSHPA DEVI : on expansion of postal services in rural Will the Minister of PETROLEUM areas; AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state : (b) if so, the reasons thereof; and (a) wbet her there is a need to ensure (c) the number of post offices opened the supply of lc~roseDe to the b~ckwarc;l i~ :pihar durins the last three years ? States; 133 Wrlti,1I Answtrs AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 134

(b) whether there is short supply of issue of pricing of natural gas for various kerosene in Madhya Pradesh ; uses is under Government's considera. tion. (c) if so, whether Government propose to open some more kerosene retail out· (c) Yes, Sir. lests in Madhya Pradesh ; and (d) and (e) Each of the gas based (d) the number of such retail outlets plants of 1350 tpd ammonia and 2200 proposed to be opened in Madhya tpd urea would have consumed about Pradesh in 1985-86 ? 0.4 milion tonnes per year of coal of a calorific value of 4000 K cal/kg, and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE about 20,000 tonnes per year of fuel oil. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND if their steam and power generation NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL facilities were based on coal as fuel. KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b) The These facilities are now bas.ed on gas as on companies endeavour to supply the fuel and the daily requirement win be al10cated quantities of kerosene oil to about 0.4 million cubic metres Per day of the States, including the backward States. gas for each plant. The power will be The supplies to Madhya Pradesh during generated by gas turbine which Will have 1984-85 have been substantially higher heat recovery unit to produce steam for tban in 1983·84. use in process, thereby achieving high thermal efficiency in the use of gas. (c) and (d) Under the Marketing Plan 1984-85 of the oil industry, 12 SKOf LDO de~\lerships are to be established Declaration of Kasargoda and Pathanamtbitta Districts of Kerala in Madhya Pradesh. In view of the as "no industry districts" various steps involved in the select ion for and establishment of each dealership 3294. SHRI P.A. ANTHONY: Will the it is not feasible to indicate as to h'lW' Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to many will be commissioned during state: 1985-86. (a) whether any r~presentation has Supply of gas to Fertilizer Plants to been received to declare Kasargoda and save coal and fuel oil Pathanamthitta Districts of Kerala as H "no industry districts ; and 3293. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND (b) if so, the action taken in this NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: . regard? (a) whether his Ministry has decided THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to supply natural gas' from Bombay DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND High to the gas-based fertilizer plants at .PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. a concessional rate ; JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, the rate fixed for selling (b) The districts created up to 31.3.83 the natural .gas to the fertilizer units; and having no large or medium scale industrhes as of 1979-80, a·re identified as (c) whether this supply of natural gas 'No Industry Districts.' The districts of to the fertilizer units will check consum- Kasargoda and Pathanamthitta in Kerala did ption of fuel oil and coal by the fertilizer not fulfil this criteria. The Kerala Govern- units; . ment has been informed accordingly. (d) if so, the quantum of €oal and Construction of Barapole Hydro-Power other fuel oil expected to be saved; Project in Kodagu District and 3295. SHRl NARSING RAO - (e) the detai Is thereof? Y A WANSHI : Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state : THB MINISTBR OF" STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM· AND (a) whether it is a fact that the NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL construction of Barapole HydrO-Power KlSHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b) The Project in Kodagu District, if executed, 135 U.'rltten Answers DEC I:!M'8ER 10, 1985 T¥riften An.nvtr6 IJ(l

would adversely affect the rainfall and Family Pension for w£dows in Postal lead to subnlersion of forest and plan- Department tation, ecological imbalan('es. etc: and . 3297. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY: win the Minjster of COMMUNICATIONS (b) if so, the details thereof '1 . be pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE ' (a) the number of anolications received DEPARTMENT OF· PO .VER (SHRI unto 15 November. 19R5 in the Po~ tal ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) The' Deoartment for family pension from project report of BarapoL~ Hydro-electric widl)WS in respect of Government Memo- Project in Kodagu D istrtct has not been randum No. \(H)85 Tegardlng Pension Unit, received in Central Electricity Authority for fan1Hy "ens Ion ~ for techno-economic examination. (b) the number of widows who -have (b) Does not arise. been granted family pension so far pur- suant to that memorandum ; and . Utilisation of Non-Conventional Energy (c) the time likely to be taken tc> settle t~e pending cases? 3296. SHRI M. SUBBA REDDY: Wi1J the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE state : MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MTRDHA): (a) (a) whether in view of protecting the Approximately 1600 applications were forests, utilisation of non-conventional received. energy like solar enery are propagated among the public; (b) 173 case~ have been finalised.

(b) if so, whether any dent in the (c) These are expected to b~ settled consumption patterns of energy for within 3-4 months period. domestic purposes has been made: and Expansion of Telecommunication Srn'ices (c) what efforts are being made to in Bihar popularise the use of the non-conventional energy among the people if the effect is 3298. SHRI KUNWAR RAM: Will not up to the desired extent? the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : (a) to (c) Yes. (a) the projects included or being Sir. The Departnlent, of Non-Conventional included in the Seventh Five Year Plan Energy Sources is implementing several for expansion of telecommunication programmes for the deveL'pment and services in Bihar; utilisation of New and Renewable Energy (b) the estimated cost involved therein; Sources such as biogas, biomass, solar and energy, wind energy, and urban wastes. A variety of devices and (c) the number of persons Jikely to systems such as biogas plants, improved get employment in various circ1es because woodstoves, solar cookers, solar wa ter of these projects? heating systems, timber kilns, wind pumps etc. are being popularised through pro- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE grammes of technical support, subsidies, MINISTRY OF COMMUNICJ\ilONS demonstration and awareness promotion. (SHRT RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) to Nearly 5 lakh biogas plants and 9 lak h (c) For the Telecommunication Services improved chulbas have already been . for the country an outlay of Rs. 4010 installed and the popularity of these . crores has been approved by the Planning devices is increa~ing. Theae are beginning Commission. Based on this outJay, to make ali impact on the energy consum- guidelines have been given to the State units ption pattern: the programmes can be for drawing up their plans. The details of ruitber expanded depend ing on the funds the projects for Bihar will be known after .vaila"~, l'lans for Bihar Circle have been examined. Written Answers AGRAH-\YANA 19, 1907 (SARA) Written Answers 138

The tmployment potential for projects in losses and the question of re-structuring'it various circles will be known after the in order to make it a viable unit is under schemes are finalised. consideration of the Government.

Production target of Bbarat Pumps and Conference of Heads of Telecom Circles Compressors Ltd., Allababad in I>elhi '

3299. PROF: NIRMALA KUMARI 3301. SHRIMATI GITA MUKHERJEE: SHAKTAWAT: Will the Minister of Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS INQUSTRY be pleased to state: be pleased to state :

(a) whether it is fact that Bharat (a) whether a conference of heads of Pumps and Conlpressors Ltd., Allahabad telecom circles was held in Delhi recently; failed in comp\eting its production target and during 1984-85. (b) if so, the details of the subjects (b) if so, the r'easons thereof. ; discussed there at and the outcome thereof; (c) whether it would complete the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE production target in the current year; and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (d) if so, the steps being taken to (SHIU RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) A improve the production target? meeting' of the General Managers of Department of Telecommunications was THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE held in lhe beginning of November, 1985. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. (b) The fullowing n1ain subjects were JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (d) debberated upon at the meeting: Severe power cut imposed by U.P. State Electricity Board and loss of production (i) Improvement of telephones and due to illegal tool down strike during telegraph ser\' ices with special January and February 1985 are the n1ajor thrusts on automation and time- reasons contributing to lower production bound progralnme. during 1984~85. The Company has taken (ii) Productivity of the staff'. in hand several Ineasures to improve pro- ductiVity, and is confident of attaining the (iii) Seventh Five Year Plan. production target for the current year. (iv) Training. Scooters India Limited (v) Discipllne.

3300. SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM; (vi) Personal and Financial Manage- SHRI YASHWANTRAO GADAKH ment. PATIL: SHRI JANAK RAJ GUPTA: The deliberations are expected to supplement the efforts being made for Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be expansion and improvement of telecom pleased to state : services.

(a) whether the Scooters 1ndia Limited [Translation) is put for sale; Shortage of funds for opening of new ~ (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and offices in Bihar

(c) the steps taken by the company 3302. SliRI ABDUL HANNAN and the Union Government to avc[t the ANSARl: Win the Minister of COM.. situation? MUNICATIONS be pleased to state :

THE MlNiSTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether it is a fact th1t due to DEPARTMENT' OF CHEMiCALS AND shortage of funds, new post offices are not PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. being opened in Bihar and .as a result JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) The t hereof people at a number of places arc Scooters India Limited has been incurring faciqg difficulties; I ( 139 Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answ,rs 140

(b) if so, whether it is also a fact that (c) steps taken to enforce and survey of ·opening post offices at these places implement strictly the Act and Rules; has already been conducted by the Depart· ment; (d) the quantity a licensee can possess; and (c) if so, the steps proposed to be taken for providing funds for the purpose ; (e) whether a copy of the specimen of and licence issued to who lesaler and a retailer with form number and fee be laid on" the (d) the details thereof? Table 1 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Apart from constraint of resources. there PETRO-'CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. is also a ban on creation of posts as a JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) Yes. Sir. result of which there is no programme at (b) and (c) Department of Explosives is present of opening of new post offices. not aware of such cases. However, whenever However, postal network in Bihar is any violation is brought to the notice of reasonably well-developed and it cannot be the Department of Explsoives, action is said that people are facing difficulties due taken as provided in the Rules. The to new post offices not being opened. matter is a Iso referred to the 1ocal.district (b) In the nornlal course, requests authorities for action as pel the Explosive received fOI opening of new post offices are Rules. duly examined to see whether they satisfy (d) A licensee can possess the quantity the prescribed departmental norms. of explosives endorsed on the licence. (c) As stated in (a) above availability of funds is not the only constraint. (e) The specimen of all the licence Proposals can be considered only when the forms are incorpor ated in the Explosives Rules, 1983. There is no distinction existing ban is lifted or relaxed. between a wholesaler and a retailer in the (d) Doe s not arise. Explosives Rules and the same forms of licence are used. Form Nos. are printed on (English] the licence forms. The fee of each licence Explosive Rules is mentioned on the licence form at the time of grant of licence. It depends upon 3303. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD the quantity for which a licence is SINGH: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY issued. be pleased to -state : (a) whether under sub-rule (2) of [Translation] rules 7 and 37 of the Explosives Rules, 1983. explosives (fireworks)' so delivered or Payment or Arreares and Salaries to Oftkials and Contractors of Beas Board despatched shall not exceed the quantity (Works Branch) authorised to possess with or without licence and no person shall despatch any 3304. SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY: fireworks to railway administration unless Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased be has received a confirmation from the to state: consianee reprding readiness to receive explosives immediately" ; (a) whether the officials and contractors of Beas Board (Works Branch) have not (b) if so, the reasons for the man- been paid their arrears and sala ries ctc. ufacturers despatching fireworks in for the last one year which amounts to esceu of authorised quantity and con- nearly Rs. 15 lakhs ; a.ipees not taking delivery within 12 . hours of intimation of their arrival and failure (b) whether the President of the con- of railway administration to return cerned staff union hat uraed Goyernment fireworks to the consignee under the to reJease the amount of arrears oC salaries Rules; of about 600 ofticials from M~y last ; I 141 AGIlAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 142

(c) the details of the action taken by [Translation] Government so (ar in reaard to the payment Setting lip of Garbage-Based Plants for of the aforesaid amount; and Generation of Power

(d) the time by which this amount is 3306. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD likely to be paid ? RAWAT : WiIl the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to sta te ; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF (a) whether the Union Government MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Only a have set up any garbage-based plants for paYlnent of Rs. 1.5 lakhs to some work- generation of power; charged employees claimed as Hill Compensatory Allowance/House Ren t (b) if so, the names of the places Allowance is held up, as according to the whether these plants have been set up ; Pro ject authorities, these workers are not entitled to the allowances. Payments (c) if not, whether Government other than these allowances are being propose to set up such plants; and released to them. Payment of about Rs. 2 lal<.hs to contractors is heJd (d) if not, the reasons therefor? up because of non-completion of certain formalities/documentation by the con- THE MINISTER OE ENERGY (SHRI tractors. VASANT SATHE): (a) and (b) A plant for incineration of 300 MT of garbage and (b) No, Sir, generation of 3.75 MWe is presently under installation at Timlrpur : Delhi. and (d) (c) Project authorities have (c) Analysis of garbage for installation been asked to clear the outstanding of garbage based p1ants in other cities for payments expeditiously. generation of power is in progress.

[English] (d) Not applicable. Conversion of Manual Telephone Exchange at Junagarb into Auto Exchange (Eqlish)

3305. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: PriCing of Essential Drugs Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS 3307. SHRI R.P. DAS : Will the be pleased to state; Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to (a) whether there is a proposal to state; convert the manual telephone exchange at (a) whether Government and Bureau of Junagarh in Gujarat into auto exchange; Industrial Costs and Prices have made any (b) if so, the details thereof and the study on pricing of essent ial drugs in view progress made so far ; and of formulation of a new Drug Policy ; (c) when the auto exchange is likely to (b) jf so, the saHent feature of the be established. study; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) if not, when the study will be MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS made? (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, THE MJNISTER OF STATE IN THE Sir. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (b) A 4000 lines crossbar excbanae is PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. under installation and nearly two thirds JAICHANDRA SINGH) : Ca) to (c) Bureau of internal installation' work has been o( Industrial Costs ami Prieos bas been completed. conducting studies frora time to· time of the prices of bulk dr.., aDd formulations. (c) Auto excbanae is likely to be Government take note of these studies commissioned by March, 1986. while takina decisions on pricina policy. 143 Written Answers OECEMBER. 10, 1985 JVr;tte1l Answers'

Completion of Idukki Hydro-Electric and (a) whether United Nations Industrial Banasura Sagar Scheme Development Organisation (UNlDO) know- 3308. DR. K.G. ADIYODI: Will the how centre ts likely to be set up in India ; Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state ; (b) if so, the details thereof; and (a) whether the work on Idukki (c) whether such a Unit would be set Hydro-Electric and Banasura Sagar (Wynad \lP in Sikkim in view of the need to Distt.) Scheme has since been completed : encourage small scale industries in the hill tracts '? (b) if so. when; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if not, the reasons therefor '/ DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PETRO·CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. DEPARTMENT OF POWER ( SIIRI ARIF JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (c) Stage (b) and (c) Question does not arise. I of Idukki Hydro EI~ctric project is under operation since 1976. Unit-I under Stage Industries in E~stern and North Eastern II bas already been commissioned and Region balance two units will be commissioned in 1986. Stage III of the project will be 3311. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Will the completed in 1987. The delay in completion tvfinister of INDUSTRY be pleased to of Stage III is mainly due to contractual state: Problems in execution of Erattayar dam. (a) the total amount of money invested Banasura Sagar dam is expected to be by the Union Government in the Eastern completed during 1989-90. The delay is ·and North Eastern Region in general and mainly due to delay in acquisition of land West Bengal in particular, for setting up of and paucity of funds. new modern industry to date since 1965-66 ; Chlorine plants of Fertilizer Industries (b) the particulars of the new modern industry set up by the Union, Government 3309. SHRI RAMASHRA Y PRASAD during the same period; SINGH: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state : (c) whether in this respect the State of West Bengal is lagging behind others; (a) whether it is a fact that the and chlorine plants of fertilizer industry in the (d) if so, the. factors responsible for country are hazardous in populous areas the same? and along busy arterial roads; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the deta ils thereof ; and DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. (c) the action Government propose to JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Presumably, take in th1 s regard : the Hon 'ble Member is referring to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE investments in Central Public Enterprises: DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND As per Public Enterprises Surveys, the PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. investments in Central Public Enterprises JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a). to (c) in terms of Gross Block as on 31.3.1966 Chlorine plants are independent of and 31.3.1984 are as follows : Fertilizer plants and hence there is no nexus between the two. The question of As on 31.3.1966 Chlorine plants in the Fertilizer Industry being hazardous does not, therefore, arise. Name of the State I Gross Block Ul;lion Territory (Rs. in Cr.) ·UNlDO know-how centre in India 1. West Bengal 329.3 3310. SHRIMATI D.K. BHANDARI: 2. Bihar 324.1 Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased 3. Orissa 290.4 to state: 4. Assam 27.~ 145 Written Answlr, AGRAHAVANA 19, i907 (SAKA) Written Answers 146

As on 31.3.1984 of about 400-500 MW. A variety of exper- iments are in progress at the Tiruchy . ·Name of the Statel Gross Block pilot project in ord';:r to generate scientific, Union Territory (Rs. in Cr.) technical and operational data. The possibility of setting up commereial scale 1. West Bengal 2909.87 plants could be investigated after '}. Bihar 5151.79 sufficient data and experience has been generated on the pilot plant. 3. Orissa 2164.55 4. Assam 1930.10 Claims of victim) of Bhop!!) gas disaster 5. Manipur 123.58 6. Tripura 78.83 3314. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to 7. Nagaland 72.90 State:

(b) These investments relate to (a) the number and value of claims Industries such as steel, coal, non-ferrous received so far by Union Government on metals, power, fertilizers and chemicals, behalf of victims of the Bhopal gas engineering, petroleum, t.ransportaion disaster; equipment, consumer goods etc. (b) the total amount spent so far fvr (c) and (d) Locations of public relief, rehabilitation and compensation undertak ings~ are decided on technoecono- separately by the Union and the State mic considerations. Governments: and

Tapping of power from Coal (c) the number of workers of the Union Carbide Plant who have b~~n absorbed 3313. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will in alternative jobs? the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (a) ·whether experiments have been PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. carried out in India and other countries JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) The claims to tap power directly from coal through are to be preferred· before the Commission magneto hydrodynamic generation and Dy. Commissioner for welfare of method; victims . under the Bhopal Gas Leak (b) what are the potentialities in Disaster (Registration and Processing of th is method and results of experimental Claims) Scheme, 1985. No claim has been plants so far .; received by the Union Government. (c) when commercial generation is (b) The Centra) Government has so expect ed to start ; and far given Rs. 40 crores to the State (d) whether the power from this source Government comprising Rs. 20 ·crores as would be cheaper 7 medium term loan and is Rs. 20 crores as wage and means advance for the THE MINISTER OF ENERGY· (SHRI relief operations. State Government is VASANT SATHE): (a) Yes, Sir. spending the money for providing relief and rehabilitation for the victims. These (b) to (d) An experimental Magneto include providing ex-gratia relief and hydrodynamic plant of 5 MM (thermal) distribution of foodgrains, medical fadl.. input capacity has been set up at Tiru.. ities, vocational training as well as chirapalli under a programme sponsored suitable means of employment or seiC. by the Department of Non-Conventional ell1ployment. Energy Soutces. It is estimated that (c) According to the information overall conversion efficiencies of SO to available from State Government, 525 60% may be achieved in plants combining out of 632 employees of, the UelL were conventional and MHD processes in sizes offered alternative employment. 147 Written Answers DECEMBEJi io. 1985 Written AnSwers 148

Introduction of Safety Measures and Port Engineers Ltd. have commission- Fetaures in the Design of Vehicles ed a well known foreign consultant for preparation of a Detailed Project 3315. SHRI MANIK REDDY : Will Report for modernisation of shipbuildina the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to and shiprepairing facilities of the company. state : The details of the project and the quantum (a)" whether a Standing Committee of investment will be worked out by under DGTD has been set up, dS recomm- the company once the scheme of moderni- ended by the Road Safety Corom iHee, for sation is finalised The detailed Project introduction of safety measure~ and fea- Report is expected by March, 1986. tures in the design of vehicles, specially in respect of brakes, steering wheel, Non-utilisation of Installed Capac ity by windshields, instrument panel, wing I.D.P.L. and H.A.L. mirrors, lighting system, etc. for light cars, commercial vehicles, motor cycles, three- 3317. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: wheelers, cycle rickshaws and slow moving Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be vehicles including bullock-carts, cycles and pleased to state : other vehicles~ and . (a) The names of the bulk drugs for (b) if so, full details of the work done which Indian Drugs and Pharmaceuticals so far in this direction ? Ltd. and Hindustan Antibiotics Ltd., have been licensed and for which they have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE not so far attained fuller utilisation of DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND the capacit y; PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) and (b) A (b) the I icensed and installed capacity Committee under the Chai rmanship of of each drug and the production of each Director, Automotive Research Association drug during the last three years, year-wise; of India was appointed to formulate safety (c) the original va] ue of plant and standards for automotive vehicles. The machinery installed for each drug and Committee has so far drafted standards when each plant was ins taIled; for 27 items. (d) the names of the bulk drugs for Revamping of Hooghly Dock and Por~ which foreign know how was purchased Engineers Limited alongwith the total fee paid in each 3316. SHRI SANAT KUMAR case; and. MANDAL Will ,the "Minister of (e) the reasons for non-utilisation of INDUSTRY be pleased to state : available capacity in each case and the (a) the steps being taken to revamp the steps taken by his Ministry in this Hooghly Dock and Port Engineers Limited. direction ? a Central Government Undertaking, at THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Calcutta with a view to modernise its THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS ship-building and ship repairs complex; AND PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R.IC. (b) the broad outlines of the plan, if JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (e) The any, formulated, any foreign collaboration information is being collected and will entered into and its capital outlay involved; be laid on the Tab~e of the House. and Annual requirement, Production and (c) how long will it take to implement Import of Coking Coal it '1 3318. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA; THE MINISTER OF STATE Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased IN THE DePARTMENT OF to state: CHEMICALS AND (>ETRO-CHEMICAl~S (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) the annual requirement and actual (a) to (c) The Hooghly Dock and production of coking coal in the country; , ,. 149 Written ,4nsw,rs AGRAHA¥ANA 19, J907 (SAkA) Written Answers " . J50

(b) the details of coking coal supplied to each State annually and during the Quantity in Value (Rs. in last three years, year-vise and the actual million tonnes crores Approximate) requirement sent by the State Governments during that period; . 1982-83 1.380 124.5 1983-84 0.463 37.5 (c) whether coking coal is being imported to meet the "demand; 1984-85 0.66'5 55.8 (d) if so, the quantity imported during (e) In order to augment supyJy of coking the said period and the amount involved thereon ; and coal to the steel plants, Coal India Ltd. has been taking up new projects for (e) the steps being taken to increase coking coal mines and also the constru- the production of coking coal in the ction of new washeries. coun try to meet the demand and to a void import during the Seventh Five Year Plan Rural Communication Development period '1 Scbeme in Baroda (Gujarat) THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI VASANT SATHE) : (a) The coking coal 3319. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: requirement for steel plants and metall- Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS urgical industries during the year 1985-86 be pleased to state: as assessed by the Plann ing Corom_ion, (a) whether Government propose to is 30.40 million tonnes and to meet this adopt a new scheme for Rural Communi- demand a ~arget. of production of coking cation Developnlent throughout the coal has been fixed at 34.62 million country; tonnes. (b) The coking coal demand is not (b) if so, the detai Is thereof; indicated by the State Government, it is (c) how many rural and urban places determined by" the Central Government. are likely to be covered and the estimated Coking coal is supplied to the steel expenditure involved therein; and plants under Steel Authority of India Ltd. (SAIL), Tata Iron and Steel (d) the number of villages and the Company Ltd. and also to Durgapur areas proposed to be covered by it in Projects Ltd. Coking coal is also used for Gujarat particularly in Baroda district '1 manufacturing Beehive and B.P. Hard coke by the units in "the public and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF TIlE private ~p.ct ors. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS The actual offtake of coking coal (SHRI RAM NIWAS MlRDHA): (a) A by the steel sector (including coke ovens) revised scheme for developing telec:om. during the last 3 years was as under: facilities in the rural areas of the country was adopted in December, 1982. (Figures in million tonnes) 1982·83 23.20 (b) The scheme envisages that a public 1983-84 24.42 telephone shall be available within 5 KM 1984-85 23.75 of most of the jnh~bited villages. (c) and (d) The Steel Authority of (c) The number of 5 KM side hexagons India Ltd. had been importing coking identified so far in the country is 52210 coal of lesser ash content for blending with hexasons. The number is likely to change indigenous coal so as to improve quality slightly. 23742 have already been provided of coke and also in view of the inadequate with telecom. facility. Out of the remain- availability of cokiDI coal of the required ing, about 9000 are proposed to be quality within the country. The import covered in the 7th Five Year Plan and of eokina coal by SAIL for the last 3 years the remaining in subsequent Plans. The alongwith approximate elF value thereof total expenditure involved is of the order is as under: of 32.S crores. 151 Wrilt[.'n Answers DECEMBER 10. 1985 ~Vriltcn Allswers 152

(d) The number of hexagons proposed which are manufacturing finished to b~ covered in Gujarat in the 7th plan formu1ations based . on this drug and are given belo w :- what is the price fixed for each pack and Gujarat State: 411 strength of medicine based on this drug and at what price these medicines are sold Baroda District : 81 in the market ; and

Shortlge of PAS preparati()ns andover- (e) the reasons for shortage of this ch1rging of prices of medicines b:lsed drug and medicines based on this drug· on this drug by Manuf:!cturers as well as overcharging 0 f pr ices of these 3320. DR. GOLAM YAZDAN.I: Will medicines? the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to THE ~l1NISTER OF STATE IN THE state: DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (a) whether it is a fact that there is PATRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. a shortage of PAS preparations in the JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) No, market; Sir.

(b) whether it is also a fact that (b) Government have not come across certain manufacturers are selling these any instance. products at higher prices than Government (c) and (d) Names of the major fixed prices : formulators of PAS, notified leader prices (c) if so, the price fixed by his Minis- a,nd the selling pric;s as per Indian try for each pack and strength and the Pha rmaceut ical Guide arc given in the price pr,)ducers are charging ~ statement given below. (d) the Dlmes of major companies (e) Does not a rise.

Statement

SI. Name of the Na me of the Pack Notified Price at which No. manufacturers Product Size Leader being n1arketed PI ice as per Indian Pharmaceutical Guide, 1985

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6)

1. MIs. IDPL Sodium PAS Granules 100 gm. 15.68 15.68 800/0 2. Pfizer Ltd. -do- 100 gm. 15.68 15.68

3. MIs. IDPL -do- 250 gm. 36.96 36.96

4. Mis. IDPL .. do- l kg . 142.63 142.63

5. Biological Evans. PAS Sodium 1000's B 86.34 86.34 Tablets 500 mg /Tablet

Import of TIOC at cODCessional Customs (a) whether it is a fact that certain Duty companies imported huge quantity of 3321. Dr. GOJ,AM YAZDANI: Will TIOe before S<;ptember, 1984 at conces- the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased sional cus toms duty ; to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 4160 on 20 August,. 1985 (b) jf so, the names of such compan ies regarding productiun of Erythromycin alongwith the quantity imported by each and state: from 1 April, 1984 to September, 1984 ; 153 Uritten Answers AGR AHA Y ANA 19. 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 154

(c) ·the production of finished bulk respectively. The demand has shown Cl n drug of each compnny based on conces- average compound growth rate of about sional duty imported TIOC and at what 11 per cent during the period 1979-80 to price the same was supplied alongwith 1984.. 85. ' the names of purchasers: (b) and (c) Government of Orissa (d) whether any steps were taken by suggested the help of insfitutional finances his Min istry to pass on tbe benefit of from IDBI for taking up Ib thermal power lower duty to the public; and station. It was found that Plan funds could not be increased and IDBI and (e) if so, the details thereof 1 other financial institutions may not be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE able to provide adequate finances for the DEPARTf\1ENT OF CHEMICALS AND .power projects. In order to increase power PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. availabi lity in Orissa, add itional generating JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) There have capacity of 483.5 MW is programmed been no reports to this effect. to be commissioned during the Seventh Plan period. In additi:"n, Orissa would (b) Does not arise. also get benefit of 31 MW from Chukha (c) As imports of TIOC are on OGL Hyde1 Project of Bhutan (4X84 MW) and the time and efforts involved in compiling share of 75 MW from the Farakka STPS the details as asked for would not be Stage-I (3X210 MW) when these units are commensurate with the results to be commissioned in the Seventh Plan. Besides, achieved. Central assistance is being provided to modernise and renovate the Talcher Ther- (d) and (e) The prices of Erythromycin mal Power Station. Orissa also receives and its salts and of formulations based assistance from neighbouring States to thereon were fixed taking into account the meet the power shortage in the State from prevail ing customs duty on TIOe. time to time. Ib Thermal Station and Tal.. cher STPS in the Central Sector have been Shortf:.t II of Power in Orissa accorded techno-econo'mic cle1.rance by the Central Electric ity Authorit y. 3322. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleas~d Perform:1nce of Public Sector Chemicals to state: Units (a) whether the requirement of power 3323. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: for Orissa by 1989-90 is estimated to be Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be 1786 MWs, and the availability is estima- ted as 731 MWs, the demand for power pleased to state : has increased by three times during the (a) whether it is a fact that the per- c )UfS'! of five years of the Sixth Five Year formance of public sector chemical units. Plan. is far below their installed capacity ;

(b) if so, the suggestions made by (b) if so, the remedial steps taken or Government of Orissa to the Union proposed to be taken in this regard ; GoVernment for mak~ng up the shortfall between the denland and av;~ ilability of (c) the installed capacity of each plant power; and as on 1st June, 1985 and its production performance and the reasons for the short- (c) the reactions of the Union Govern- falls; ment thereto 1 (d) whether Government pr0pose THE MINISTlR OF STATE IN to hand over these plants to the coope- THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI rative sector which is performing so well ; ARIF MOHA~MAD KHAN): (a) The and Twelfth Power Survey Committee had reported that the Peak Load and Peak (e) if not, the steps Government. Availability in Orissa by 1989-90 were propose to take to improve the p~rfof­ est;mated as 1771 MW and 1447 MW manee of these units 7 1 S5 Written .4nS'W~rs DECEMBER 10, t98~ Written A"sw~rs 1St;

THE MlNISTER OF STATE IN THE :!. Hindustao Organic Cbemicals LI.lted DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO.. CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K.. Production was less due to power JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (c) A failure, shortago of raw materials and statement is given below. Shortfall in shut down of certain plants for main- production has been due to the following tenance jobs. reasons : (b) and (e) Building repair and 1. Hindustan Insecticides Limited : mechanical maintenance work at Delhi unit are being done as per the schedule. Production in Delhi unit has been low Efforts are being made to make as plant stopped since 15.4.1985 for available the raw materials which are undertaking major building rep;lirs and in abort supply and also efforts are being unavoidable maintenance work. Produ- made to increase tbe offtake by the health ction in Udyogmandal and Rasayani sector. Remedial measures for improvement units was low because of shortage of raw in the supply of raw materials and materials, power failure and lesser order maintenance equipment to improve the from National Malaria Eradication Pro- production in Hindustan Insec.ticid.es gramme (NMEP). In addition, tbe Limited and Hindustan Organic Chemicals production programmes are so planned Limited are being taken. as to meet the market requirements and thereby avoid large inventories. (d) No, Sir.

Statement ( Figures in '000' MT) HINDUSTAN INSECfICIDES LIMITED:

S. Name of the Annual capacity Producttion upto No. unit installed . 31.5.1985 (1985-86) DDT BHC Mala- nOT BHC Mala---- Tech- Tech- thion Tech- Tech- thion nical nical Tech- nical nical Tech... nical nical

1. 2. 3. 4. s. 6. 7. 8.

1. Delhi 2.744 0.072

2. Udyogmandal 1.344 3.0 0.046 0.440

3. Rasayani 5.0 1.8 0.476 0.162

HINDUST AN OjlGANIC CHEMICALS LIMITED :

S. Name of the Annual capacity Production upto No. unit installed June 1985 (1985-86) 1. 2. 3. 4.

1. Rasayani 134.250 9,685 157 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Writtl'n Answers

Waiting list for New Telephone Connections THE MINISTER OF STATE OF T!IE in J (m:lg~lrh MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 3324. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) The Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS progress in respect of three UHF Schemes be pleased to state: is as under :- (a) th~ number of telephone lines in (I> Hamirpur-Jallandbar UHF Scheme Junagarh at present ; The Scheme is under execution and is (b) the number of appl ications likely to be completed during 1986-87. pending for new connections ; Project Estimate was sanctioned in November, '82. There is no delay in (c) for how long these applications execution. are pending ; (ii) lJna-Jallandhar UHF Scheme (d) from which year new connection.; . Field Survey has been completed. have not been sanctioned ; and Project Estimate is under sanction and (e) whether there is any proposaJ to Scheme is Hkely to be commissioned increase the capacity of the existing by the end of 7th Plan subject to telephone exchange· in J ungarh or to open availability of land and building wen new telephone exchange ? in time.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (IIi) Jallandhar-Dharamsala UHF Scheme MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) This link is already working since The number of telephone lines working in September, 1984. Junagarh is 3.160 lines as on 31.10.1985. Shifting of Project Office of ONGC from . (b) 534 applications are pending' for Himachal Pradesh to Jammu - new telephone connections 3326: PROF. NARAIN CHAND (c) The earliest applicant is waiting for PARASHAR: Will the Minister of a telephone connection since 16.7. ]983. PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: (d) A number of telephone connections (a) whether Government are aware of have been sanctioned in previous years the deep resentment among the people on including the current year. account of the proposed move of the Oil aDd Natural Gas Commission to shift (e) There is a proposal to replace the their Project Office from Jawalamukhi in existing manual telephone exchange of Himachal Pradesh to Jammu; 3,200 lines by 4,000 1ines of Automatic Exchange of Crossbar type. (b) if so, whether Government pro- pose to reconsider the proposal and retain the project office at JawaJamukhi in view of Progress of Projects in Himachal Pradesh the large number of e~lorations for natural gas/petroleum in various places of 3325. PROF. NARAIN CHAND Himachal Pradesh and Punjab which are PARASHAR : Will the Minister of easily approachable from Jawalamukhi; COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: and (a) the latest progress in respect of the (c) if so, the likely date by which a following projects in Himachal Pradesh final decision is proposed to be taken in for UHF/VHF link betweeQ (i) Hartlirpur this regard '1 and laUandhar, (ii) Una and Jallandhar, (iii) Dharamsala and lallandhar. T..HE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) the dates of. the sanct ion of each MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM Al'fD one of the projects ; and NA TURAL GAS (SHRI NAW AL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) to (c) The ONGe have (c) the likely dates of completion and two separate project offices functioning at the reason$ for deJay ? Jawalamukhi in Himachal Pradesh and at DBCEMBER 10, 198.~ H',llIt" A1IIWlrs 160 159 Hrillf7H Answ~rs

Jammu. There is no proposal to shift THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the project offbe presently functioning at MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Jawalamukhi to Jammu. (SHRI RAM NJWAS MJRDHA): (a) There have been cases of closure/downgra- Direct Telephone Link between Sri Naina De"j and Bilaspur (H!macbal Pradesh) dation of Post Offices in rural areas during 1984-85 and 1985-86 for various reasons 3327. PROF. NARAIN CHAND including th~ following: PARASHAR : WiJl the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (i) Non payment of NRC in cases where a post office ~as opened I (a) whether the proposal to provide a lJpgraded on NRC basis. direct link between Sri Naina Devi and (ii) Withdrawal of PCOs and Bilaspur, Himachal Pradesh has been approved on account of the persistent (iii) Prescribed standards of workload demand based on the community interest and loss not being fulfilled. and administrative reasons; (b) No, Sir. There is no proposal to (b) if so, the date on which the link reconsider such cases. However, postal has been approved ; and ' services hy different means continue to be maintained in these areas; aod (c) if not, the likely date by which the link would be approved and installed '1 (c) The required information is being collected and will be laid on the Table of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the House. MINISTRY OF CO~tMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MJRDHA): (a) No, Te leco~munication Services 'in Orissa Sir. (b) Not applicable in view of reply at 3329. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: (a) above. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS (c) There are 4 to 5 trunk calls per be pleased to state : month between Sri Naini Devi and (a) the details of telecommunication Bilaspur. This little trunk traffic does not services affected due to the cyc1on<; in justify the provision of a direct telephone Orissa during Octobi.:r this year ; line between Sri Naini Devi and Bilaspur. (b) the measures b~ing taken to restore Closing and downgrading of Extra the services : Departmental or Dt-partmental Post Offices (c) the amount likely to be spent 3328. PROF NARAIN CHAND thereon; PARASHAR: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to (d) when the telecommun ication state: services will restart? (a) whether any Extra Departmental or THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Departmental pC'st offices have been MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS downgraded or closed during 1984·85 and (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) 1985·86 on account of their running into Details of telec Jrnmunication services 1055, though they have been serving the affected due to cyclone in Orissa during rural areas for a number of years; October this year are given below :- (b) if so, whether all such cases would (i) No. of telephone lines affected: be reconsidered and the closure/down- 1980 gradation deferred so as to enable them to (ii) No. of Lons distance Public continue to provide the postal services in telephones affected : 36 these areas; and (iii) Trunk circuits affected : 28 (c) the number of such cases in which (iv) No. of Leased circuits affected : 7. the closure/down gradation has been affect- ed, State-wise details thereof during this (b) Immediate action was taken after period 1 the cyclone to restore the services. 161 W,llIen Answers AGRAHA YANA 19. 19()7 (SAKA) Written Answers 162

(c) 011 Drilling '0 Orissa (0 In stores : Rs. 3,06,000.00 3331. SHRIMATI IAYANTI PATNAIlC : Will the MinUter 01 (if) In cash. : Rs. 94,000-00 PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS bo pleased state : (d) All telecommunication services to were i,restored by 19.10.85 except two (a) whether proposes fo begin Public Telephones which were restored on drilling in the districts of Pari, CuttaJe a.D4 30.10.85. Batasore in Orissa by the middle of ne. year; Pending applications for new telephone connections in Bhubaneswar (b) if so, the exact locatio:ll identified for this purpose ; 3330. SHRI CliINTAMANI JFNA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS ( c) whether some of those locatioDl be pleased to' state : had earlier been identified by Government for the drilling purpose ; and (a) the number of telephone connec- tions in Bhubaneswar at present; (d) if so, the details of the steps taken for oil drilling at those places '1 (b) the number of applications pending for new telephone connections in THE MINISTER OF STATB OF THE Bbubaneswar ; MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL (c) whether Government 'have taken a KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b) Oil decision that now new telephone con- India proposes to commence drilling at six nection will be given in Bhubaneswar : locations in the districts of Puri, Cuttalc and Balasore by the middle of 1986-87. (d) whether it is a fact that an The exact locations have not been decided electronic exchange with 4000 lines had so far. been promised for Bhubaneswar, but the same has not yet materialised ; (c) No, Sir. (d) Does not arise. (e) if so, the reasons therefor; and Electrifica t:on of villages in Mathura Distrid (f) when the said exchange will be set (Uttar Pradesh) up? 3332. SHRI MANVENDRA SINGH: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS to state: (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) 5,886 (a) the total number of villages in teleyhone connections are working in Mathura District of Uttar Pradesh and Bhubaneswar as on 31.10.t985. how many 0 f those villages have been (b) 1,250 applications are pending for electrified so far ; new telechone connections 'in Bhuba- (b) whether there is any proposal to neswar, as on 31.10.1985. electrify the r~maining villages in this District; and (c) No such decision has been .taken. (c) if not, the reasons therefor CZ (d) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (e) The equipment is to be' suPPlied DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF from . the new electronic factory ITI, MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) Out of a total Mankapur. Equipment for Bhubaneswar of 884 inhabited villages in Mathura District bas been included in supply programme of of Uttar Pradesh, 654 villages have been 1986·87. electrified till the end of October, 1985. (f) 4,000 lines ElectroniC 'exchange (b) Yes. Sir. E-io B is proposed to bt installe(.f and commissioned during 1989 ..90. (c) Does not atise. t6J DECEMBEIlI0.198' Written Answers 164

Cban]es in the timin.t'j for booking of (e) (a) above bas been implemented on Telc~~rams the recommendation of the committee on telecommun ica- 3333 .. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Will tions to even out the traffic flow the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be for bringing an improvement in pleased to state: the quality of service.

(a) whether some changes have been (c) above has been effected owing to made recently in the timings for booking negligible telegram bOOKing and of telegrams ; delivery in those areas during niaht times. (b) if so, the details thereof;

(c) whether some telegraph offices ha~e stopped functioning between certain Role of B.na. of Pablle Eaterprlses In hours; lalpIemeotatioll of Polley on Workers' participation in Managemen t (d) if so, the details thereof ; 3334. SHRI V. S. MAHAJAN (e) the reasons for bringing about the Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be changes mentioned in (a) and (c) above; pleased to sta te : and (a) the role of Bureau of Public (f) the effect thereof on the efficietlcy Enterprises (BPE) in impl ementation of the of the service and creation of Government's declared policy on Workers· redundancies 1 participation in management as announced in Notification No. L-5601l/1/83-Desk I (B) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of December 30, 1983 ; MINISITRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, (b) how far these efforts of BPE have Sir. resulted in implementation of the scheme in some of the public sector enterprises, (b) Ordinary telegrams are not and the names of the companies where the booked b~tween 17 hours and 0700 hours scheme is in operation ; and except those belonging to Priority and Pr ivate personnel categary of telegrams (c) whether BPE has assessed the containing information regarding news of extent to which the managers and workersl death arrivals departures at railway employees have understood the utility of statio~s, air ports and other publ ic the scheme? transport terminals, intitnation of sickness and accidents including calls for attandance ·*The Minister of Communications laid of relations, applications for and offers of on the Table of the House on 17.12.85 a employment including calls for interviews statement giving reply to part (f) of the and intimation of examination results. question· which was left out in the main However, express telegrams and other reply iDadvertentJy. The reply is as higher categories are booked during the under: entire wor king hours of the office. (f) The restrictions imposed in (c) No, Sir. Rescheduling of the booking of ordinary telegrams after 1700 working hours have been affected in hours bas resulted in the improved quality ~ certain offices. of telegraph service. Traffic hold up and t"uniDl backlog and dela ys have come (d) Working hours of seven zonal down. The percentage of telegramms sent departmental telegraph offices in Calcutta by post has also come down con sider8bJy. Telegraph Traffic Divi!ion have been The reduction in workins hours of zonal rescheduled to wo rk between 0700 hours DTOs in Calcutta bas also resulted In and 2200 hou rs. owever, telegrams to be overall 1m provement in Te)earapb delivered for this area are .being effected Services. There bas been no redundancies from tbe central office. as a reSUlt of the aforesaid measures, l65 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written AnlWers 166

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE takings who have implemented the scheme DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS Ai'!D at the shop floor and plant levels is shown PETRO· CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. in statement I given below. Representa- JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Bureau of tives of workels/Trade Unions have beeu Public Enterprises have advised the incI uded in the Board of Directors of 1 administra tive Ministries and the public companies as indicated in Statement n sector undertakings to implement Govern- given below. ment's declared policy on Workers (c) The public sector under.takinas particlpation in management as indicated appreciate the utility of the scheme and in Ministry of Labour Notification No. they are endeavouring to involve workers' L-S6011/1I83-Desk I (B) of December 30, 1983 participation to the maximum poss ible (b) A list of the public sector under- extent.

StatemenT·I

Names of the Central Public Sector Undertakings which have implemented the·Scheme.

1. Mica Trading Corporation .Ltd., 2. Minerals and Metals Trading Corporation. 3. Hindustan Teleprinters Ltd. 4. Indian Telephone Industries Ltd. S. Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. 6. Bharat Heavy Plates and 1 Vesseis Ltd. 7. Bharat Pumps and Compressors Ltd. 8. Tungabhadra Steel Produc:s Ltd. 9. Tr iveni Structurals Ltd. 10. Burn Standard Company Ltd. 11. Bharat Process and Macbanical Enginsers Ltd. 12. Comont Corporation of India Ltd. 13. Hindustan Photo Film Manufacturing Co. Ltd. 14. National Bicycle Corporation of India Ltd. 15. National Instruments Ltd. 16. National Newsprint and Paper Mills Ltd. 17. Hindustan Cables Ltd. 18. Hindustan Paper Corporation Ltd. 19. Hindustan Salts Ltd. 20. Cycle Corporation of India Ltd. 21. Instrumentation Ltd. 2'-. The Mandya National Paper Mills Ltd. 23. National Hydro Electric Power Corporation. 24. Madras Refineries Ud. 25. Oil and Natural Gas Commission. 26. Dredging Corporation of India. 27. Delhi Transport Corporat.ion. 28. Hindustan Shipyard Ltd. 29. ICudremukh Iron Ore Co. Ltd, 167 Written Answers DECEMBER 10. 1985

30. Manganese Ore India Ltd. 31. National Mineral Development Corporation Ltd. 32. Steel Authority of India Ltd. 33. Sponle Iron India Ltd. 34. Bbarat Refractories Ltd. 35. Bharat Gold Mines Ltd. 36. Bharat Aluminium Co. Ltd. 37. Uranium Corporation of Indi'l. 38. North Eastern CoalfieJds Ltd. 39. Singreni Collieries Ltd. 40. Nayveli Lignite Corporation. 41. National Textile Corporation Ltd. 42. National Textile Corporation (Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala and Mabe) Ltd. 43. National Textile Corporation (Delhi, Punjab and Rajasthan) Ltd. 44. National Textile Corporation (Gujarat) Ltd. 45. National Textile Corporation (Madhya Pradesh) Ltd. 46. National Textile Corporation (Maharashtra North) Ltd. 47. National Textile Corp oration (Maharashtra South) Ltd. 48. National Textile Corporation (Tamil Nadu, Pondicherry) Ltd. 49. National Textile Corporation (Uttar Pradesh) Ltd. SO. National Textile Corporation (West Bengal. Bihar Assam and Orissa) Ltd. SI. Hindustan Organic Chemicals Ltd. S2. Pyrites Phosphates and Chemicals Ltd. 53. Electronics Corporation of India Ltd. 54. State Farm Corpora tion of India. 55. Hindustan Insecticides Ltd. S6. Fertilizers Corporation of India. S7. Fertilizers and Chemicals (Travancore) Ltd. S8. Hindu8tanr Fertilizers Corporation Ltd. 59. Indian Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Ltd. 60. National Fertilizers: Ltd. 61. Maruti Udyog Ltd. 62. H.M.T. Ltd. 63. National;rhermaJ Power Corporation. 64. Indian Oil Blonding Ltd. 65. Indian Potrochemicals Corporation Ltd. 66. Hindustan Copper Ltd. 67. Hindustan Zinc Ltd. 68. Ltd. 69. Ltd. 10. Ltd. 71. Ltd . . 72. Centra) JnJand Water Transport Corporation Ltd. , , ... l' ,: I ~ r ~-l 169 Writtell Alllwe" AGRAHA YANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Wrilten Answer,

8tatemeDt·D Revamping Plan for Burn Stapclard. Jessop and BraltlnraJte List of Central Public Sector Enterpris.s wh"e labolt, 'eau,s r~present workers 3336. SHRI SANAT KUMAR on the Board 0/ Diredors. MANDAL : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: N.. of tile Coapaay (a) whether his Ministry is working in 1. Bh~rat Heavy Electricals Ltd. a comprehensive revamping plan for 2. Elgin Mills.. stepping up production in the three Central sector engineering companies in 3. National Newsprint and Paper Mills West Bengal viz. Burn Standard, Jessop Ltd. and' Brai thw aite ; 4. N.T.C. (Gujarat) Limited. (b) if so, the broad outlines thereof; s. N.T.C. (South Maharashtra) Ltd. and I 6. N.T.C. (West Benpl,"" Assam, Bihar (c) how long it will take for these and Orissa) Limited. units to come out of the woods 1 . 7 . Rashtriya Cbemicals and Fertilizers THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Limited. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO - CHEMICALS (Sl-IRI II K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) Tbe Requirement of Railway Wagons for managemen t of the 3 companies are takIng movement of coal steps to step-up production and improve productivity. These include maximum 3335. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: utilisation of existing facilities, modernisa- Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased tion, diversification into new items of to state: manufacture, replacement of obsolete machinery, etc. Certain financial reliefs (a) whether the Department of Coal have been given by the Government. As a has estimated the possible requirement of resul t of these measures, it is exp ected railway wagons for the movement of coal that Jessop and Braithwaite would stop during 1985-86 ; incurring losses in the near future. B~.Jl Standard is already making profits for the (b) if so, whether the requirement has last three years. been communicated to the Department of Railways; and Requirement, Indigenous Production and (c) whether the Department oC Rail- Import of 6-APA ways have ..reed to meet the requirement '1 3337. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be TBe MINISTER OF ENEIlGY (SHRI pleased to refer to the reply giveD to V SATHB) : (a) to (c) The sector.. ASANT Unstarred Question No. 3248 OD 13 Auauat. wise demand of coal during 1985-86 was 1985 regarding domestic prod\lCtion CJf assessed by the Planning Commission as 6-APA hit due to lower customs tarift' 16a.80 million toaDes of raw coal and,5.10 and state : millioD tonDas of washery middlings. Baaed 00 this demand the rail movement (a) the price fixed for iDdiaenous prO* requirement to despatch 124.54 million duction of 6-APA ; tonnes of coal includinl 4.00 minion tonnes of middtinp, excluding 1.00 milion (b) the landed cost of 6-APA ; tonaes pf import e4 coal, was estimated at (c) the price at which the State 14945 four wheeJer walons per day. This Trading Corporation is releasing 6-APA ;1 requimneDt was communicated to Depart- rlldnt of bitways. Railways. bowever, now (d) the cost of 6-APA taken while ..reed to' move about 110.0 million tonnes fixing the price of Ampicillin, its ~lts and of coal durio. 1985-86, because of resource Amoxicillin which are produced from ,Coftsttaint. 6-APA ; and i71 Wrltt." AIISW"s DECBM~S~ 10. 1985 Written Answers , " A '.

(e) the estimated requirement and esti- JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (e) The mated indigenous production of 6-APA information is being collected. for the period April, 1985-March 1986 aDd bow much quantity is being imported High prices of Klox, Lyramycin and tor the requirement of this period ? Erythocin THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3339. SHRI' VILAS MUTTBMWAR: DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. pleased to state : JAlCHANDRA SINGH): (a) Price fixed (a) whether it is a fact that the prices for indigenous production of 6-APA is of Klox capsules, Lyramycin capsules, lls. 2100/ .. per kg. Etrocin tablets and Erythocin capsules (b) The landed cost of import varies and grannules are very high; from consignment to consignment depending (b) \\that are the prices fixed by his upon the c.i.f. import price. Ministry and 'elt what price each is being (c) State Trading Corporation is selling sold ; ~:I' 6-APA at the pooled price of Rs. 1230/- (c) whether it is a fact that certain per kg. companies ~ave not got price approval (d) The prices of Ampicillin and and are overcharging the consumers for Amo"ycillin are based on pooled price of the last so many years; Rs. 1230/· per kg. (d) if so, what steps have been taken (e) Demand for 6-APA bas not been by his Ministry in this regard? assessed. Requirements of this intermediate THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are partially met through indigenous pro- DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND duction and partially th; ough imports PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. and this position would continue during JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (d) the year 1985-86. Government have not come across products under the n arne of Lyramycin Capsules Loss in Public Sector Units and Erythocin Capsules and Granules. 3338. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: In regard to the remaining products Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be information is being collected and p)",ased to state : would be laid on the Table of the Lok Sabha. (a) how many of the 18 loss making public sector units are going into loss for [Translation] the last (i) ten years and (ii) fifteen years; (b) whether the workers of the loss- Places in Maharashtra to be linked through Microwave Telepbone System making units enjoy all the benefits of .service alongwith productivity bonus or 3340. SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR: they share the losses by cutting down their Will the ,Minister of COMMUNICATIONS ea~JS ; be pleased to state : (c) bow many of the above 18 units (a) the places in Maharasbtra 'which are running their Rand D Units and what win be linked through Microwave tele- .are their eJldenditure on these units during phone system during the Seventh Five the last five years ; Year Plan: and (d) whether any steps have been taken (b) the area in which telephone lines to examine their working; and will De connected with Microwave line '1 (e) bow many Rand D units were THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE closed down to cut down possible losses '? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SHRI RAM NIW AS, MJRDHA): (a) A . DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Jist of Microwave schemes which are I'PETRO _ CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K.. planned' tentatively for execution durina • I Written Answer, Written Answers 114

7th Five Year Plan in 'Maharashtra are (b) Yes ; such ·cases may occur when given in the statement given below. regular vacancies are not availa ble. (b) Telephone lines will not be directly (c) Yes; as 1these facilities are made connected Microwave System. However. avaiJable to regular employees only. Microwave systetns are ueed to provide (d) Daily wage workers who have put Trun~. Circuits from one place to another in 720 days! 1200 days full of the service for passing long distance calls. are already being paid enhanced wages at the rate of 3/4th full of the tIlth of the Statement minimum wages of a corresponding regula List 0/ Microwave Schemes planned for rworker of the department. Execution during 7th Fil'e Year Plan (e) As soon as regular vacancies 1. Prabhadevi-Kalwa. New Bombay. become avaiJable they will be absorbed in 2. Pune·Sholapur. regular establishment. 3. Sholapur-Osmanabad·, [English] 4. Nagpur-Chanda. Transferring of k)rices in respect of 5. Nagpur-Chindwara. imported OxytOCin Powder 6. Secundrabad-Chanda. 3342. SHRI VILAS MUITEMWAR: 7. Pune-Ratanjori. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be 8. Pune-Baramati. pleased to state :

(a) whether it is a fact that Oxytocin ReguJarisation of services of daily wage workers in Posh and Telegrapbs Powder was .mported at much higher Department price by certain companies holding foreign equity from their principals instead of the 3341. SHRI RAJ KUMAK. RAJ: Will Indian company ; the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof ; (a) the number of continuous worker- (c) whether instances of transfering ing days ;.fter which a dialy wage worker of price on tbis drug Came to the notice becomes eligible for being regularised as of his Ministry ; and per the rules : (d) if so, the action taken in that (b) whether the services of daily regard 1 wale workers in Posts and Telegraphs Department have not been regularised even THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE after putting in the 8-10 years contiuous DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND service by them ; PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) To (c) whether even so after rendering the extent information is available details many days continuous service, these workers of impolts by Sandoz (India) Ltd. from do not get facilities such as insurance, medi- their principals are given below: cal" uniform, interim relief etc. ; (d) the action being taken by Govern- Year Quantity imported C.I.F. price ment to improve the lot of their emp- (KE) (K£) loyees ; and 1982 26400 (e) when the services of these workers 44.39 . are like]y to be rClularised ? 1983 21600 44.07 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THB 1984 14400 42.99 MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MlRDHA):

Lok Adalat in Capital (c) The Delhi Legal Aid and Advice 3344. DR. B. L. SHAILESH: Will Board is incharge of monitoring the func- the Minister of LAW AND JUST ICE be tions of Lok Adalat8 in Delhi. pleased to state : (d) and (e) The Government has (a) what has been the experiecnce of decjded to set up a Commission on Judi- Government of the experiment of Lok cial Reforms with a view to provide speedy Adalats initiated by Judiciary on 6 October and inexpensive justice to the common 191! in the capital; man. , . 177 Written AlJ8wers 178

Implementation of Rules for Manvfaeture of providing scooters to the depositors, of Bulk Drugs and 3345. SHill SARFAIlAZ AHMAD: (d) the action Union Government has Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be taken against Lobia Machines 1 pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether his attention has been DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND drawn to the news item captioned 'sell out PETRO - CHeMICALS (SHRI R. K. to multinationals' appeared in Economic JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) It is for Times Bangalore of 11 October 1985 ; the individual Companies to taKe advantage of the broad-banding scheme. (b) if so, whether it IS a fact that his Ministry did not enforce strictly the rules (b) Yes, Sir. for manufacture of bulk drugs by foreign (c) and (d) The company has informed companies and gave free rein to import that refunds are being made to applicants penultimate and through transfer pricing within the stipulated period of 60 days. the medicine have been priced very high in India; [Translation] (c) whether it is also a fact that the New tactics of Cooking Gas De~lers relev~nt provision of Drug policy to manufacture bulk drugs froro basic stages 3347. SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR : bas not been implemented ; and SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY: (d) if so, the reasons thereof? SHRI MOTILAL SINGH : DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE TRIPATHI: DEPARTMENT OF CHEMlCALS AND PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. Will the Minister of PETROLEUM JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. AND NATURAL GAS be pleas{"d to state: (b) No Sir. (a) whether his attention has been (c) After the announcement of the drawn to the news item captioned 'Khana 1978 Drug Policy, no FERA company has pakane ki Gas ke Vitarkon ke naye been issued a Letter of Intent for the hathkande' (New tactics of dealers of production of bluk drug other than from cooking gas) appearing in 'Jansatta', of the basic stage. 2 November, 1985 ; (d) Does not arise. (b) if so, the number of such dealears Policy of broad-banding to improve pro- against whom act ion has been taken on fitability of Lobia Mach~s various malpractices mentioned in th~ news item indicating the action taken against 3346. SHRI B.V. DESAI: Will the them; Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (c) whether Government propose to take action to ensure that consumers are (a) whether Government's recent deci- not forced to purchase gas stove from lion to. allow flexibility to domestic industry dealers and connections are provided with- thro\llh their new policy on broad-banding out any illegitimate payment; is expected to improve the profitability of Lohia Machines Ltd ; (d) if so, when; and

(b) if so, whether it is a fact that the (e) the number of [complaints received Lobia Machines Limited" have collected by him against the gas dealers during the from the public huge amount as advance last one year and the action taken thereon ? payment in respect of scooters; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) whether it is also a fact that a MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND number of depositors have not been NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL KlSHORE refunded their amount du. to its inability SHAR.MA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 119 DW,itten Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answt,s 180

(b) to (e) LPG distributors are under TPA as against importing one tonne of instructions fro'm the oil companies not to PSF and PFY 1 pressurise the customers to purchase LPG stoves from th~ distributor concerned at THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the time of release of new gas connections DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND and customers have the liberty to purchase PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. the stoves from any where as long as these JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. carry lSI certification mark. Occasionally, complaints are received about undue (b) and (c) The information is beinl pressure upOn customers. Tnese are collected and will be laid on the table of the HOllse. enquired into and puniti\'~ action under the LPG Marketing Discipline Guidelines is taken by the oil companies against Import of TP A erring dist ributors. 3350. DR. A. K. PATEL: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state;

Ti dai Pow~r Proje~t s (a) whether it is a fact tha t at a meeting held in Delhi on June 10 1985 3348. SHRf l\10HANBHAI PATAEL : in the Office of DGTO, the users of TPA Will the ~1inister of ENERGY b~ pleased were promised by the Government that to state : their full requirements of TPA would be (a) the progl ess Illade in regard to met through imports ; harnessing of tidal power in the countrY . (b) if so, whether Gov~rnment have and " , fulfilled their promise: and

(b) details of tidal pl'oje:ts lik,;ly to be (c) if n'ot, the reasons thereof? installed in the country and in which areas? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) In MOHAMMAD I{HAN) : (a) and (b) Tidal the meeting held on June 10, 1985, it was power developnlent in India is in the decided that DGTO would examine each investigatory stage and has been taken up application for import of DMT/TPA in in the Gulf of Kuchchh. Analysis of data, terms of Policy and on merits. mathematical and physical mode) studies as well as civil and el~ctrical engineering studies arc under way fur examining the Comm:~sien:nJ.! of new m;ncs tn West BcnJal by Coal Iod ia Limited techno-economic feasibihty of the project. 3351. SHRI PRIY A RANJAN DAS Removal of Di\'lT/TPA from the O.G.L. 1:5t MUNSI : Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: 3349. DR. A.K. PATEL: SHRI DINESH SINGH: (a) whether Coal India Limited and failed to commission some new mines in Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be West Bengal due to non-avai1bility of land pleased to state: during the Sixth Fixe Year Plan period ; (a) whether it is a fact that PSF and (b) if so, the details thereof: PFYare on OGL Jist when DMT/TPA are removed frOIn the OGL ) ist ; (c) the rcasans for non-availability of land; (b) if so, the cost of importing one tonne of DMT/IPA and one tonne of (d) the investment proposed to be PSF and PFY in the country; and made by Coal India Limited in such mines; and (d the con1par~live benefits to the countrY in importin& one tonne of DMT/ (e) the prescnt position in the matter 1 . , jS1 W'itt~n Answ~,s AGRAHAvANA 19, i907I(SAKA) Written Answers 182

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI Reduction in duty on Synthetic Filamen t VASANT SATHE) : (a) to (e) Yes, Sir. Yarn The completion of one opencast mine 3354. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: nanlely, Chora opencast project in the Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Eastern Coalfields Limited sanctioned in pleased to state : September, 1979 at a cost of Rs. 3.09 crores was delayed by four years due to non- (a) whether it is a fact that synthetic availability of land and agitation by local filament yarn and the decentralised youths. The project is expected to be powerJoom sector play a major role in completed during 1985-86. providing synthet ic textiles to our coun- try ; AUocatioD of Funds to Small Scale industry for production of synthetic fibres (b) if so, how does the duty concession announced in August, 1985 relating only 3352. DR. SUDHIR ROY: Will the to polyester staple fibre, PSF blended Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: yarn and PSF blended fabrics affect the (a) whether Government have any plan total production of 1.20 Lakh tonnes of to allocate funds to small scale industry synthetic fibre yarn production; and for the production of synthetic fibres under (c) what would be the tole of such the liberalised licensing policy; concession in reducing the prices of (b) if so, the details thereof; and synthetic fabrics indicating the percentage in price reduction to ulti mate consumers ? (c) if not, the reasons for the same 'I THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHE~HCALS AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) No Sir. (b) No adverse impact on the produ- (b) Does not arise. ction of synthetic yarn has come to notice so far. (c) Synthetic fibre industry is capital intensive and an economically viable unit (c) The excise duty concession of cannot be set up in small scale s e~tor. synthetic fibre has been granted in the expectation that the benefit will pass on to the ultimate consumers of fabrics. Impact of duty concessions given to Syn· tbetic fibre 00 blended fabrics and filament fabrics Lignite reserves In Kashmir 3353. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: 3355. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased pleased to state : to state : (a) the impact of duty concessions (a) whether any survey has been made given in August 1985 in regard to synthetic to find out the availability of lignite in fibre on blended fabrics and filament Kashmir; fabrics ; and (b) if so, the result thereof; and (b) the filament fabrics are adversely if (c) whether any action has been taken affected, the reasons fer adopting such a to tap the lignite reserves in Kashmir? policy '1 THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRl THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE VASANT SATHE): (a) to (c) Yes, Sir. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Preliminary surveys carried out by PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. Geological Survey of India, Indian Bureau JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) The impact of Mines and Directorate of Geology and the reduction in excise duty on synthet ic (:f Min ing of the Jammu and Kashmir fibres has not been stud ied. State Government have indicated the (b) Does not arise. occurrence of lignite in Nichahom area 183 Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answers i84 of Baramulla District in Jammu and (6) Spencers' Kashmir State. review the available To (7) Rogers data to and make reliable estimates of the quality and quantity of lignite reserves in (8) 21 the different locations and horizons of the (b) The brand-wise production of soft Nichahom deposits and to identify other drinks is not maintained. However, accord- areas in Jammu and Kashmir State where ting t(} the production returns submitted viable deposits of lignite may occur. a to DOTD, in the organised sector, there Task Force was appointed by ~ he Depart- has been a produclion of 942 million nlent of Coal, , in bottles and 1,042 Inillion bottles in the years July 1985. The Task Force has recom- 1983-84 and 1984-85 respectively. mended the testing of the . Nichahom Lignite s:lmples in fluidised bed combus- (c) and (d) It is understood that some tion boilers. Based on the results of these efforts have been made by MIs Parle tests, further invl!stigation of the deposits Exports for manufacture of Carbonated can be planned. Fruit Drinks, particularly Apple C ncen- trates. But the product has not been found econl)mically viable. Brands of soft drin~{s under Indian and 1\1ultin1tional Control Workers Participation in Management 3356. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAOA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be 3357. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMBEN pleased to state: RAMJIBHAI MAVANI : SHR[ V. TULSI RAM : (a) the names at th~ brands of soft drinks under Indian and multinational Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be control, separately: pleased to state:

(b) the details of total production (a) the steps taken by the public of each during 198 1-84 and 1984·85, separa- sector units for the imp lementation of tely ; the scheme of the participation of employees in managemen t : (c) whether India has ~ver tried to prepare. soft drinks out of the fruits indi- (b) whether Chief Executives of some genously ; and of the public undertakings and public sector units have expressed their discont- (d) if so, when, where and with what entment and made known their opinion results? against workers" participation ; and

THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE (c) if so, the details thereof? DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE JAICHANDRA SINGH) (a) There is at DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND present no company coming under the PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.tC. purview of Foreign Exchange Regulations JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) some of the Act engaged in the manufacture of soft public sector undertakings are ensurin. drinks in India. The important Indian participation of employees in managemeot brands of soft drinks are the following: through their involvement at the Shop and Plant levels. (1) Parle's -Gold Spot, Thurns up, Limca and (b) No, Sir. Rimzim. (c) Does not arise in view of the (2) Campa - Cola, Lemon, Orange above. and Tripp. Mismanagement of Indu;strial Under- (3) 77/Nova takings by Employers and (4) Mc dowell's - Rush, Thril 3358. SHRI B. V. DESAI: Will the Sprint. Minister of INDUSTR Y be pleased to (5) Dukes state: 185 Written Answers' AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 186

(a) whether Government propose to wiH include vilJages situated quite near to introduce legislation for putting an end to the feeder lines. mismanaaement of industrial undertakings by employers ; Delivery of Letters and Telegram~ in Villages in Rajasthan (b) if so, the salient features of the proposed legislation; and 3360. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: (c) when it is likely to be introduced? Win the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (a) whether it is a fact that letters and PETRO·CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. telegrams are Dot del ivered daily in the JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) No such villages, but are deHvered occasionally in proposal is p resendy under consideration a month; of Ministry of Industry. (b) if so, the number of villages in (b) and (c) Does not arise. Rajasthan where letters etc. are delivered only once or twice in a month by P and T [Translation] Department;

Electrification of Villages in Rajasthan (c) whether Government propose to ensure the daily delivery of letters in each 3359. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: viHage ; and Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased (d) if so, the details in this regard and to state: if not, the reasons therefor ? (a) whether Government have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE formula ted a scheme to electrify every MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS villages in the country; (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) No, (b) if so, whether most of the Sir. This is not a fact. villages in Rajasthan are still not (b) Nil. electrified ; (c) Daily delivery of letters already (c) if so, whether Government exists in all villages in Rajasthan and this is propose to electrify those villages which ensured through regula~' checks by are situated quite near to the feeder line Department's field staff. and are still awaiting electrification; (d) Does not arise in view of reply (d) if so, the details of such villages against item (c). in Rajasthan alongwith the views of Government regarding electrification of those villages where electrification is easy; [English] and Major industries set up in s ta tes under (e) if not, the reasons therefor 7 Central Schemes

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3361. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT: DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF Win the Minister of INDUSTRY be MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) High priority pleased to state : is being accorded to achieve cent percent electrification of villages in the country as (a) the number of major industries set speedily as possible. up under Central schemes in different States during the Sixth Five Year Plan; (b) Out of a 33,305 villages in the (b) how many of those industries have State of Rajasthan, only 13,491 villages started commercial production so far; remained to be electrified as on 30.9.1985. (c) the number of persons given (c) to (e) 7515 villages are proposed to employment in those industries; and be electrified in Rajasthan during the period of Seventh Five Year Plan, which (d) the details thcteof? IS' IVritte'l Annvers DECE\1BER 10, 19~5 Writtln Answers 188

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the location of the registered office of each DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND as per the available information is given PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K.. below. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (d) A . statement showing the names of the Out of the 18 new undertakings set up Central Public Enterprises set up during the period mentioned above, 12 during the period 1.4.1980 to 31.3.198S have started production/operations. 17 of alongwith dates of incorporation, the these are employing in all, around 9,814 employment in each as on 31. 3.198S and personnel as on 31.3.1985.

Statement

S. No. Name of the Undertaking Date of Relistred Employ- whether Incorporation Office ment under constru- ction

1 2 3 4 5 6

1. North Eastern Regional Agricultural Marketing Corpn. Ltd. 31.3.1982 Gauhati 18 2. Cardamom Trading Corpn. Ltd. Oct. 1982 Bangalore 23 3. The National Handloom Dev. Corpn. Ltd, 22.2.1983 Lucknow 76 4. Goa Antibiotics and Pharmace- uticals Ltd. 9.12.1980 Goa 140 S. Karnataka Antibiotics and Pharmaceuticals Ltd. 13.3.1981 .Bangalore 167 175 under 6. Paradip Phosphates Ltd. 24.12.1981 New Delhi constru- ction

7. Hospital Services Consultancy Corpn. (I) Ltd. 30.3.1983 New Delhi 25 2130 8. Maruthi Udyog Ltd. 24.2.1981 New Delhi 9. Rajastan Electronics and Instruments Ltd. 1981 Jaipur N.A. Bhubaneswar 77 under 10. Neelachal Inspat Nigam Ltd. 27.3.1982 contru- ction Visakbapatnam 3341 11. Rashtriya Ispat Nizam Ltd. 18.2.1982 -do- New Delhi 150 12. Vayudoot Ltd. 20.1.1981 New Delhi Nil Under 13. Airl ine Allied Services Ltd. 13.9.1983 const- ruction Bhuwaneswar 1425 -dQ- 14. Naticnal Aluminium Co. Ltd. 7.1.1981 189 Writ ten Answers AGRAHAYANA 19. 1907 (SAKA) Written Answ{'rs 190

t 2 3 4 5 6

IS. Educational Consultants India Ltd. 17.6.1981 New Delhi 26 16. Vijyanager Steel Ltd. 18.12.1982 Bangalore . 54 Under con~tru· ction 17. Hindustan Newsprint Ltd. 7.6.1983 Kottayam 938 (Kerala) 18. Gas Authority of India Ltd. 16.8.1984 New Delhi 419

-_- --~------Total 9184

Shortfall in power f!enerating ~apacity other States and in the all India average in West Bengal during Sixth Plan plant load factor during the Sixth Plan 3362. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS period? MUNSI: Will the Minister of ENERGY THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE be pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) and (b) The (a) whether there has been any shortfall Sixth Five Year Plan envisaged an addi- in tbe achievement of the target for tion of 1368 MW new generating capacity additions to power generation capacity in West Bengal in the State sector, against in West Bengal during the Sixth Five Year which the achievement was 788 MW. The Plan period; details of shortfall and reasons thereof are (b) if so, the details thereof and the given in the statement I below reasons therefor; and (c) The Plant Load Facter of thermal (c) the improvements in the plant stations in various States including West load factor in the power plants in West Bengal during the Sixth Plan r'eriod is Bengal as compared to improvements in given in the staten1ent II below. Statement-I ThermaflHydel Government Units which slipped from Sixth Plan period ill It'est Bergul

SI. Project Capacity Broad reasons for slippages No. (MW)

1. Kolaghat 210 (i) Delay in commission ing of Unit-3 Unit-2 210 has correspondingly affected the Unit-! commissioning of unit-2 (West Bengal) (ii) Slow rate of progress on bo iler erection of Unit-2 and 1. (iii) Supply of dan1aged/missing!canniba- lised items of boiler by ABL. (iv) Labour unrest etc. 2. Durgapur (DPL) 110 (i) D.!rlay in completion tread iness of Unit.. 6 CW pumps house, control room and West Bengal other civil works. (ii) Dely in erection of critical piping CW piping and cabliI)g. (iii) Delay in supply and erection of ash h:!ndling plant. (iv) Labour rest. 3. Ramman St. II 50 Difficult geological conditions and in West Bengal delay in award of contracts. 191 Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answ,rs 192

Statement II 11. TNEB 198()"81 34.5 37.8 Yearw;se Plant load factor 1981-82 1982-83 44.0 Board Year PLF(%) 1983-84 39.4 1984-85 49.0 I. ELECTRICITY BOARD/UTILITY 1. DESU 1980-81 60.0 12. Karnataka 1981-82 SO.O 1982-83 51.0 13. BSEB 1980-81 31.4 1983-84 47.7 1981·81 33.5 1984-85 58.9 1982-83 38.5 1983-84 32.8 2. HSEB ; 1980-81 31.7 1984-85 30.5 1981-82 37.3 1982-83 32.2 34.0 1983·84 31.1 14.0SBB 1980-81 35.9 1984-85 34.7 1981-82 1982-83 35.2 3. J & Ie 1980-81 2.0 1983-84 33.3 1981 .. 82 9.1 1984-85 32.2 1982-83 1.0 1983-84 1.5 15. WBSEB 1980-81 42.1 1984-85 0.0 1981-82 37.6 1982-83 38.S 4. RSEB 1983 .. 84 41.2 1983-84 35.9 1984-85 57.2 1984-85 36.5 5. PSEB 198()..81 37.6 1981-82 41.8 16. DPL 1980-81 29.0 1982-83 51.0 1981-82 31.0 1983-84 57.0 1982-83 36.0 1984-85 64.3 1983-84 30,3 1984-85 28.7 6. UPSEB 1980-81 36.5 37.6 1981-82 17. ASEB 1980 .. 81 36.5 1982-83 39.6 1981-82 34.8 . 1983-84 35.1 1982-83 36.9 1984-85 31.6 1983-84 34.2 7. G.E.B. 1980-81 50.0 1984-85 29.6 1981-82 53.6 1982-83 57.9 II. CENTRAL SEcrOR 1983 .. 84 55.3 1984-85 54.0 1. NTPC 1980-81 46.0 8. MPEB 1980-81 - 52.4 1981 .. 82 49.7 1981-82 49.9 1982-83 48.7 1982-83 58.5 1983-84 53.5 1983-84 53.1 1984-85 53.6 1984-85 51.7 2. NAYVELI 1980.:81 60.0 9. MSEB 1980-81 52.6 65.0 49.4 1981-82 1981 .. 82 1982-83 73.0 1q82-83 50.2 74.2 51.0 1983-84 1983-84 1984-85 77.2 1984-85 46.6 1980~81 37.5 36.3 3. D.V.C. 10. APSEB 1980-81 1981·82 51.7 46.6 1981-82 1982·83 49.6 51.1 1982-84 1983-84 46.1 54.6 1983-84 1984-85 48.6 1984-8' 54.4 193 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 194

Board/Corpn Year PLF(%) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. III. PRIVATE SECTOR JAICHANDRA StNGH) : (a) and (b) Yes, 1. A.E. Co. 1980-81 55.0 Sir. The representations were generally 1981-82 57.0 that the price of polyester-filament yarn has 1982-83 69.1 shown a rising trend. It has also been 1983-84 77.3 stated that recently the rate of excise 1984-85 71.3 duties on synthetic fibre has been reduced without any reduction on polyester filament 2. Sabarmati 1980-81 58.0 yarn and hence the duties should be 1981-82 67.0 reduced. 1982-83 77.4 1983~84 73.2 (c) The average market price of 1st 1984-85 71.4 quality Polyester FiJament Yarn (Bombay) depending on the denier during the la$t 3. Trombay 1980-81 70.0 three years is reported as follows : 1981-82 77.0 1982-83 75.1 (Approx/per kg.) 19R3-84 75.1 1984-85 65.7 1983 - From Rs. 132.20 to Rs. 174.10 4. CESC inc1ud- 1980-81 57.0 1984 - From Rs. 119.90 to Rs. 179.30 ing Titagarh 1981-82 57.0 1985 - From Rs. 183.60 to Rs. 194.80 1982-83 57.6 (Jan.-March) 1983-84 52.7 1984-85 54.0 (d) The average market price of poly- ester .filanlent yarn (Bombay) during 1985 IV. ALL INDIA 1980-81 44.2 (Jan.- March) is reported as from 1981-82 46.4 Rs. 183.60 t 1 Rs. 194.80 (Approx) per kg. 1982-83 49.4 The cif price of imported polyester fi1~ment 1983-84 47.9 yarn (including POY Yarn) during 1984-85 1984-85 50. i is Rs. 35.90 per kg. The landed price however, would be higher as it would Increase in tbe prices of Polyester include the import duty, counter-avail ina Filament Yarn duty etc. prevalent at present. 3363. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS (e) Measures to keep the prices of MUNSI : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY Polyester Filament Yarn at a reasonable be pleased to state: level are constan tJy under review. (a) whether Governnlent have received complaints from powerloom units over the Delicensing of Drugs monopolised by sharp make-up in the prices of poloster certain Compan~es filament yarn due to increase in the 3364. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS polyester filanlent yarn by the manufacturers MUNSI : Will the l\1inister of INDUSTRY with a view to n1aking sizeable profits: be p1eased to state : (b) if so, the details thereof; (a) whether Government have received suggestions for delicensing those drugs (c) the details of the increase in the which are monopolised by certain com- polyster filament yarn prices during the panies in the country and have to be last three years; imported;

(d) the present comparative prices of (b) if so, the details thereof; polyester filament r yarn manufactured in India and imported from abroad; and (c) the conten1p\ation or Government in t\lis regard; and (e) the steps taken/proposed to make polyester filament yarn available to the (d) the details of such drugs which are powerloom units at reasonable rates? ulonopol ised by certain companies and 195 Wrlttell Anslrers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answ,rs 196 such drugs which are not produced in the Financial condition of Heavy Engineering country and have to be imported? Corporation and Min ing and Allied l\lacllinery Corporation THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICAl.S 3366. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN AND PETRO. CHEf\,lICALS (SHRI SINHA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY R.K. JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) and (b) be pleased to state: Government have received various sugges- (a) whether most of the heavy indus- t ions/representations to extend/review the trial units under his Ministry located in scheme of delicensing. inc1ud ing one from Bihar like Heavy Engine~ring Corporation Indian Drugs Manufacturers Association. Limited and MinIng and Allied Machinery Detail of the suggestions of Indian Drugs Corporation Limited are in the red; Manufacturers Association have already been furnished in reply to Lok Sabha (b) if so, whether Government have Starred Question Nc. 35 dated 19.11.85. provided heavy interest subsidies to improve the financial conditions of these (c) Government has not yet formulated units; its view on the various representations. (c) whether a major reason for their (d) Where production is by only one being in the red is lack of adequate orders; manufacturer, the bulk drug is on OOL and of the Import Export Policy so that there is no monopoly. Details of inlpolts are (d) if so, the steps proposed to be published in the Monthly Statistics for taken to further improve their financial Foreign Trade in India Vol. II, copies conditions? of which are availlble in the Parliament THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Library. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO·CHEr..1!CALS (SHRI R. K. Power Shortage JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Heavy Enginee- ring Corporati~)n (HEe), Ranchi whkh is 3365. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN Central Public Sector Underta king in Bihar SINHA: Will the Minister of ENERGY b.: is incurring losses. pleased to state : (b) In the past HEC had been provided (a) whether Governm::~1: expect serious interest holiday on Governnlent loan and power shortages this sumlner; also moratoriunl on repayment of loan for (b) if so, what wiI! be the demand and a limited period. availability of power region-wise for the (c) Lack of adequate orders is one of summer of 1c)~6~ ~: ,j ~h'~ :. '~t:()nc f 1r losses in this unit. (c) how t!1e gap is prOi)Os.:J tv b<: (Jj Amongst the steps taken are bridged? obta iIII ilg orders from coal sector also; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE strengtJ-.ening the management; installing DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF captive power supply units~ improving MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (c) Energy industr: 11 relations, and discipline, with shortages varying degrees are expected to a vicw to increasing productivity; and b'! there in the summer of 1986 in the pro\ iJ~11g financial assistance as needed. different areas of the country except in the Western Region, North-Eastern Region and Supply of gas to Thermal Power Plants in Kera)a and Andhra Prarcsh in the Southern Gujarat Region. Availability of power cannot be 3367. SHRI D.P. JADEJA: Will the accurately assessed as it depends on the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL performance of thermal units and weather GAS be pleased to state: conditions. The gap bet ween demand and availability is proposed to be bridged by (a) whether the Gujarat Electricity increasing generation from the ~xisting Board has drawn the attention of his thermal generating capacity and by partly Ministry for supply of fuel oil for their resorting to power cuts/restrictions. thermal power plants ; 197 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19. 1907 (SAKA) W,ItteJJ 4nswers 198

(b) whether necessary gas allotment for (a) whether it is a fact that for the the Guj arat Electricity Board has * b~en past several yea rs the trade unions in denied; and Postal Department have been consistently demanding regularisation of extra depart. (c) if so, the reasons therefor '1 m;!!1tal service so that the concerned postal THE MINISTER OF ST c\ TE OF THE errlployees may be entit1ed to benefits MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND available to other postal employees; and NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE (b) if so, whether Government are SHARMA): (a) Yes, Sir. likely to consider this pressing demand regarding the employees in extra depart... (b) ONGC is presently supplying 0.35 menta I service? mcmd (million cubic meters per day) of natural gas for the power itations at THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Dhurvaran and Uttran. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, (c) Does not arise. Sir. Some representations have been received from Unions in thi s connection. Rules framed under Fam ily Courts Act, 1984 (b) No, Sk. There is no such proposal 3368. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : under cons ideration of Government at Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE present. However, a One-Man ED Committee be pleased to state : has been appointed to examine generally the (a) whether rules concerning tbe Family working of extra departmental system in Courts Act, 1984 have been framed; and the Department of Posts and suggest such modifications and improvements as may be (b) if so, whether the implementation necessary to make the system emdent con- of the Act has been left to the jurisdi:tion sistant with economy. of the States? [Translarion] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE Shortage of Mail Van, and Cash Vans in (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) and (b) Azam6arh D:str~ct (Uttar Pradesh) The High Courts, the Central Government and the State Governments have been 3370. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI : Will empowered to make rules under sections the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 21, 22 and 23 of the Family Courts Act pleased to st1te : respectively. The Central Government has (a) whether Government are aware that been empowered to make rules prescribing ther~ is shortage of mail vans and cash the other qualifieations for appointnlent of vans in AZ3.tr.g?rh district of Uttar a Judge referred to in Clause (c) of sub- Prad~sh; section (3) of section 4, with the concur- rence of Chief Justice of India. The lnatter (b) if so, the total number of such is receiving attention of the Government. vans required there; and The State Governments have been (c) when these vans are likely to be empowered to establish family courts in purchasr~d by Posts and Telegraphs consultation with the High Courts. So far Department? the Central Government has appointed THE MINlSTER OF STATE OF THE the 19th day of November, 1985 as the date t\1INISfRY OF COMMUNICATIONS on which the Family Courts Act, 1984 (SHRl RAM NIWAS MIRDHA); (a) shall come into force in the State of D~p:lftmental lnail nlotor service has not Rajasthan. been introduced in Azamgarh District. The existing arrang~ment for transportation of Demands for Regularis~~tion (If Senices of Extra Departmenta\ Employees Ina i \ s there is considered satisfactory. 3369. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : (b) Does not arise. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be p leased to state : (C) Does not arise. 199 DECEMBER 10. 1985 Written Answers 200

(b) No, Sir. DriIJing in Godavari Basin (c) Yes. Sir.

3371. SHRI A.J.V:B. MEHESWARA (d) During the Seventh Plan when RAO : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM part of the equipment would have become AND NATURAL GAS be pleas~d to old enough to be re tired. state: ST[) Facility in Amalapuram in Andhra (a) whether the dri lling works are Pradesh going in a fast way in Godavari Basin at Konavaram, Bhimanal'alli and Rajole 3373. SHRI A.J.V.B. MAHESWARA areas in East Godavari district, Andhra RAO : Will the Minister of COMMUNI- Pradesh; CATIONS be pleased to state : (b) the position of drilling at present; (a) whether there is not a single town and in Amalapuram in East Godavari District of Andhra Pradesh which is having STD (c) the results of the "ork already facilities; completed. (b) whether there is any proposal to mE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE provide STD facility for the above places; MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL (c) if so, when STD facilities will be KlSHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b) provided there; and Driling of one well in Konavaram, one in (d) if not, the reasons therefor '? BhimanapaUi and two in Rajole has since been cC'mpleted. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS At present drilling is going on in (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Bhimanapalli-2. Sir t' At present no town in Amalapuram (c) Of the four wells completed, indica- Talukar in East Godavari District of tions of gas were observed in Bhimanapalli-l, Andhra Pradesh is having STD faciHty. Ra'lole-l and Rozole-2. The wel1 Konavaram (b) No Sir. proved dry, (c) and (d) Due to limitation of Conversion of Delhi Cantonment Excban~e ioto Electronic /\1 icrow:n'e operated resources only the District Headquarters Exchan~e not yet provided with STn facilities and telephone exchanges of more than 1000 '3372, c;l-'Rl A.J ': B l.~ ~.~ESWARA lines capacity as on 1-4.84, have been Rt'.O : \\' ill 1 h~ Minister of COM!\"11''J~­ pr \ i)"~ - ~ 'I) be provided STD facilities CATIONS be pleased to st2t.; : during the 7th Plan period. (a) whether it is a fact that Delhi Cantonment Telephone exchange is out- Plan to meet oil demand after depletion datedt out-moded and obsoJe' e ; of 0 it in Bombay High

(b) whether the public is facing Jot of 3374. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Win d.fficulties in connecting telephone numbo!rs the Minister of PETROLEUM AND under this Exchange; NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: (c) if so, whether Government propose (a) whether Bombay High meets about to replace the Delhi Cantonment Exchange three fourth of India's present oil con- by electronic/microwave operated Exchange; sunl ption; and (b) whether due to fast depletion, it is (d) if so, when? not likely to last for more than another 15 or 20 years; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (c) if so, the plans and prospects to (SHill RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) No, meet the ever-increasing on demand when Sir. India enters 21st century ~ 201 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, i907 (SAKA) Written Answers

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE joint venture food,processing unit in India; MINISTRY OF 'PETROLEUM AND and NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL (d) If so, which are these houses and KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) and (b) The what is the rationale behind such ventures production of crude oil from Bombay when there are already many processed Higb and its satellite fields met about 48c;~ foods industries in the country and more of the consumption of petroleum products . than 65 per cent of people are living below (in ter~ of crude oil equivalent) in the poverty line ? country in 1984-85. At the current rate of production, the re~rves of these ficld~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are expected to last for about 15 years. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND However more reserves are expected to be PETRO - CH.EMICALS (SHRI R.K. added in the meantime. JAICH ANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) From time to time DGTD reviews the (c) Some of the steps to increase the status of various industries with a view to production of crude oil in the country stimulate industrial growth. are :- (c) and (d) There is presently no such (i) Use of enhanced oil recovery proposal before the Government. techniques;

(ii) Intensification of work over Guidehnes i~jued by Gr>lernment for operations; Alictment of Pc!r·)1 Pumps/Gas Agencic.'> to certain ca tegorles in (iii) lntensincation of cxplora ti n Guj tr.lt which may eventually lead to enhanced pfodudion; and 3376. SHR1MATI PATEL RAMABEN RAMJIBHAI MAVANI : Will the Minister (iv) Induction of advanced tech- of PETROLEU\1 A~D NATURAL GAS be nology. pleased to state: The exploration for oil is highly proba- (a) whether Government have issued blistic in nature and it is not possible to guidelines that top· most priority should be. indicate with certitude when self-sufficiency given to (i) women, Oi) handicapped persons, would be achieved. (iii) freedom fightels, (iv) war-widows tv) ex-servicemen, (vi) scheduled C(lstes and trib~s and (vii) minority communities Review of Food Processing Industry in the allotment of petrol pums and gas Licensing Policies agencies; 3375. SHRI SANAT KUMAR (b) if so, the details of guidelines issued MANDAL: Will the Minister of in this connection; INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (c) how far it has been implemented; (a) whether the Directorate General of Technical Development (DGTD) bas (d) the number of above categories reviewed or is reviewing the entire food which have been given petrol pumps/gas processing industry with a view to correc- agencies in various parts of Guja.rat and cting the anomalous licensing policies oth~r States during 1st January, 1983 to governing it; 18th November, 1985 ; and (b) if so, the fi!ldings in respect of the (e) the target fixed for them for 1st various industries reviewed so far, parti- December, 1985 to 30th December, 1986? cularly from the point of view of invest- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ment, employment and consumer interest, MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND while determining how physical controls NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL could be changed to fiscal controls; KISHORE SHARMA) ; (a) and (b) Under (c) whether some large industrial the existing guidelines, the following reser- Houses are also neaotiating with some US vations . for different categories have been processed food grants to promote a large stipulated for dealership appointments :- 203 Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answers

Scheduled Castes/Scheduled 25% and nlinority communities. As sucb, no Tribes (SC/ST) statistics on those are being maintained. Unemployed Graduates! 250/0 (c) The above reservation are being Unemployed Engineering implemented by the oil industry strictly. Graduates (UO IUEG) (d) The requisi tc information is given Defence category 7i~~ in the Statement below. Physically Handicapped 7!<}ri (e) The oil industry prepare its Freedom Fighters (FF) 5~6 Marketing Plan on a financial year basis. Others (0) 30<}~ As such, no separate target has been fixed for the period from 1st December. 1985 There is no separate reservation for women to 30th Dec. 1986.

Statement

LPG -

Name of the State SC ST UG/UEG PH/DDP/WW SW/FF

IF Gujarat 7 14 18 12 3 States (other than Gujarat) 187 58 236 145 50

RET AIL OUTLET

Name of the State sc ST UG/UEG PH/DDP/WW SW/FF

Gujarat 10 7 25 10 2 States (other than Gujarat) 223 67 246 123 36

sc Scheduled Castes ST Schedu1ed T rrbes

UG/UEG Unemployed GraduatesiUnemployed Engineering Graduates PH/DDP/WW Physically Handicapped/Disabled Defence Personnel/War Widow

SW/FF Social Worker/Freedom Fighter.

Technological upgradation in Small Scale small-scale sector in a bid to improve its Sector efficiency and competitiveness; 3378. SHRI B.V. DESAI: . (b) if so, whether he bas pointed out SHRI M.V. CHANDRASHEKARA MURTHY: that sma II sector must increasingly take to prod uctiOD of quality products to increase Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be its sphere of influence; and pleased to state : (c) if so, the steps Union Government (a) waether it is a fact that he has have assured the small sector industries for caUed for technological upgradation in the providing heJp and assistance to them? 20S Written Answers AGRAHA YANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. IC. MINISTRY OF CHEMICALS AND JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) No, Sir. PBTRO.. CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K, (b) A statement is given below. JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir (c) The issues arising out of the findinls (b) Yes, Sir. of the SatyapaI Committee have been taken (c) Small Industries Development up by t he various concerned Departments Organisation (SI00) through its network and have also been ref~rred to the Deve- of S\uall Industrie s Service Institutes lopment Council for Tyres and Tubes. (SISI), Extension Centres, Workshops, Process Cum-Product Development Centres, Statemell~ Regional Testing Centres and Field Testing Summary of main recommendations of the Stations are continuously striving to assist £ i'pert Committee on lyre Induvtry. the small scale units to upgrade the ir technology and improve the quality of their 1. Since the cost of natural rubber is products. These facilities are proposed to an important constituent in the cost be further augmented during the Seventh of production of tyres, the formulation of an appropriate policy for establishing Plan Period. reasonable and stable prices for natural rubber becomes important. It is, L'JCltion of a Coal Belt near Hjn~nl in therefore, for recommended that a Nagpur District detailed factors that are responsible 3379. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: for the present price levels of natural Will the Minister of ENERGY b~ pleaseJ rubber and devis;! an appropriate frame- h) state : work f Of the pricing of natural rubber. (a) wh\!ther a coal belt of 50 to 70 2. Along with the reasonableness and meter thickness has bce:-l located near stability of n.iturai rubb~r, it is also in Nagpur district in Maharashtra; vital that the policy frame-work should provide for a significant increase in the (b) whether further prospecting of output of natural rubber. coal in search has been suspended in this 3. As far as synthetic rubbers are concern- area; and ed, the future course 0 f action will be : (c) if so, the reasons thereof? fi~stly to significantly expand the capadty for synthetic rubbers and THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI ~econdly to take measures to bring VASANf SATHE) : (a) to (c) The infor- dowll the cost and therefore, of the matiJD is being collected and w ill be laid price of synthetic rubbers. A significant 00 the Table of the House. reduction in the price of synthetic rubber will be possible only by establi- Recommendations of Satyapal Committee shing uni ts of sufficiently large size, to take advantage of economies of scale. 3380. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be 4. A measure that could be considered for pleased to state : maintaining a reasonable degree of stability of prices is to import natural (a) whether the recommendations of rubber on a canahsed basis throuah a the Satyapal Committee which were under public sector trading company and to the consideration of Government, have release the inlported natural rubber at since been finalised; prices and in quantities which would stabilise the natural rubber price at a (b) if so, the findings of the Committee; reasonable level throughout the year. and This would be advantageous both to (c) when the recommendations will be the producer as well as the user of implemented by Government? natural rubber. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 5. It will be necessary to examine to DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND what extent relief would be required to . , wruten Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answerl lOa

tbe synthetic rubber industry so that for retreading of the tyre and the viability of the existing synthetic therefore, a district circum ferencial rubber producers is not unduly affected marking could be indicated for as a result of maintaining the natural purpose. rubber prices at a reas~nable level and the requirements of parity between the All the above requirements of markingl prices of natural and synthetic rubber. labelling should be incorporated in the relevant Indian Standards for which 6. The Indian Standard Institution is in lSI should be directed to initiate the process of final ising the standar ds action. for automobHe tyres, taking into 9. With the availability of independent account modifications required on the testing facilities at the Central Institute draft standards in the light of of Road Transportation and Vehicle the Government Gazette Noti- Research Development Establishment of fication prescribing load ratings higher the Ministry of Defence, it should be than earlier taken into account. This possible to independently evaluate the should be expedited. tyres produced indigenously and 7. It is recommended that the tyre man u- upgrade the quality levels by reviewing facturers may be brought under com- the test values from time to time based pulsory lSI certification mark scheme by in the results obtained on sinlilar tyres statutory order under the variou s acts produced in the country and overseas. presently available for the purpose. 10. Another important aspect is the "life This will ensure that the standards are of a tyre and its safe usage period". implemented properly by the industry. The industry should be persuaded to 8. It is suggested that in order to protect come forward, based on their own consumers interest, the :yre should have experience of actual service conditions, gU~Hantee permanent markings cap.lble O~1 d~arly to the minimum number of KMs tha t a tyre in a particular identifyi!lg essential information SUC:1 category would be expected to give as : under typical conditions of operations. (a) Nominal size, type if any, diret.:- This value should also be reflected in tion of rotation for directional the Indian Standards and should be type tyres, to prov ide guidance in made as part of guarantee by the usage with rim. manufacturer to the consumer.

(b) Date of manufacture (which may be 11. Apart from Indian standards, there is given by significant numbering) as a need for an industry or association tyre's bulk is rubber and rubber level standards. It is recommended deteriorates with b pes of tilnes that the Indian automobile tyre indu- due to ageing effect. stry should undertake to evolve such standards at the association level, as (c) Maximum permissible load (in- is being done by associations of tyre addition to or as a substitude for industries elsewhere in the world, in ply rating, as ply rating is be- coming a spent concept). consu ltation with all relevant interests concerned through their own technical (d) Manufacturer's name/recognised committees. trade mark or brand name to identify the tyre with the prod ucer. 12. It is of the utmost· importance that rational, equ;table and healthy trading (e) For safety reasons the information arrangements are restored or intro- regarding minimum remain;ng skid duced and that the genuine complaints depth required for use of tyres of the tyre dealers are looked into. should be indicated. This also This is as much the responsibility of would serve the purpose to indicate the industry as it is of the Governmellt to the user the Jimiting point and the Committee hopes that tbe beyond which it is not adviseable industry would go into these several to use the tyre and for loing in complaints made by the federation 209 WrlUen Answers AGRAHAYANA 19. 1967 (SAKA) Written Answers 210

and would take corrective action as 16. It is necessary that from point of view quickly as possible. of ensuring exports, a nd also from the point of view of protecting the con- 13. In order that complaints of malprac- sumer through effective competition tices and the c()nsid~rable dissatis- within the domestic market, sufficient faction that has been voiced by the capaci ty should be cleared so as to keep dealers are substantial1y eliminated, it ahead of the growth of demand. The it is necessary for the industry to Committee is of the view that advance intrdduce a measure of self-discipline planning for more capacity should pro- and to adopt practices which are not ceed taking into account a ten year view only above board, but are also seen as it takes time to establish new capa- to be fair and non discrilninatory, ci ty. It is also necessary that prefere- It would considerable help if the indu- ntial consideration should be given to stry voluntarily adopts a system under expansion of existing units in order to which it announces from time to time make them more viable and more dealer and retail prices and discounts economic. and other facilities through trade circu- 17. The Committee would not recommend lars or public advertisements so that the tha t prices should be frozen or should publi c, dealers and Government are be rolled back so that the discounts kept informed of the prices and faci- which were hitherto available, lities that are available on a non- should be recognised as the new level discriminatory basis to all dealers and of prices. In a dynamic situation, it consumers. In the event this is not is difficult to maintain costs and prices adopted voluntarily by the industry, it static nor it is adviseable in the may be worth while for Government to Committee's view to introdl:1ce price make it cbligatory for each company to control as it would be extremely dim- do so. It is also recommended that in C'l}t admini stratively to oversee price order to ensure that the pr actices as control on account of the variety of publicly announced are in fact being products and the large markets within followed. Government should set up w ~ ich they are sold. Furthermore, a monitoring which should undertake price control will inevitable lead to periodic checks. &uomoto, or on the basis distribution control which would be of representations that may be recei:- disadvantageous to the consumer and ved. the dealer. 14. From the point of view of various 18. Short of introducing price and distri.. considerations, the Committee would bution co~trols, the Committee would recommend that no special restric- recommend that there has to be an tions be placed on the tyre effective mechanism available within industry in the manufacturer of higher the Government-preferably within the ply rated tyres, but at the same time it Ministry of Industry-which will conti- would suggest that the industry should nuously monitor capacity, production, be obliged to produce lower ply rated produc~m~x., costs, prices, quality mar- tyres without detriment to considera- keting, distribution, availability and tions of safety to the passengers and exports of the tyre industry, oversee the public. the general performance and identify corrective measures that are required 15. Taking a medium term view, it is from time to time and advise Govern- necessary to persuade or enjoin on the ment accordingly. industry to:- 19. In the absence of an adequate techno- (a) enlarge its exports and utilise its logical base, a sevecence of the links capacity better ; and with the foreign collaborators will almost certainly result in a cri ppling (b) to modernise its production obsolescence in the industry not only processed and management with the Indian consumer be condem- practices in order to reduce costs. ned to use an outdated and inferior 211 Written Aniwrs bECEMBBR 10. 1985 Written Answers

product but the possibilities of enlarg- the research institute. It should be ing exports would be totally thwarted. partially funded by the industry through a Cess to be imposed on tho 20. In order that the industry's competi- turn over of the industry. To the Cess tiveness is maintained, not only it is so collected, Government should pro- necessary to ensure that units of econo- vide an equal contribution. mic sizes are set up through expansion of existing units but planning new. 24. In addition on the Rand D programme undertaken by the Institute for the units, should ab initio be on a suffi- ciently large scale to reap the benefits overall development of the industry, there should be no objection to the of economies of scale. Rand 0 Inst itute taking up sponsored 21. In order that industry is technologi- research to meet specific problems of cany brought . up to international ' individual undertakings on an e~clu­ standards, it is necessary that the old sive basis. units are modernised as quickly as 25. Rand D Institute should function in possible. Taking into account the high close co-operation with other national cost of modernisation at current prices. laboratories and also Rand D organisa- it will be necessary to consider fiscal tions that might exist within the incentives for expansion of exist ing industry itself. units including modernisation on lines comparable to the incentives that are 26. The Institute shou) d also provide for extended to the establishment of new comprehensive testing facilities which units in the industry. are adequate not only for its own R D activities, but also available 22. In addition to such modernisation, it on demaad to the under-taking within will also be necessary, given the current the industry or other allied institutions status of the meagre Rand D efforts which are engaged in Rand D pro and capabilities within the Indian grammes relevant to the automobile industry to have access to foreign tyre industry. technology on a continuous basis in 27. The Committee feels that early mea- order to take advantage of improve- sures should be taken to speed up the ments in technology until such time pace of introduct:on of radial tyres as Rand D capabilities within the within the country on account of the industry are established on a reasonable significant advantages from this impro- scale. As optimal solution to the ved variety of tyres to the economy. present situation will not, therefore. be totally cut off the flow of foreign 28. The pace of road development and technology but to adopt a two fold maintenance ha~ not been commen- strategy combining enlarged Rand D surate with the phenomenal ra te of efforts within the country on an ade- growth of road transport leading to quate scale with a declining level of serious deficiencies in high way systefn external dependence in basic and app- with resultant congestion, delay, impai. lied technology. red road safety, fuel wastage and high cost of vehicle operation. The invest- 23. A Central Research instItute should be ment in the removal of deficiencies are established for undertaking research eminently cost efiective and would give and development in the automobile tyre high economic returns. Among other industry commensurate with the large things, it should also increase the life size of the industry and its turn over to of tyres. There is, therefore, an urgent provide the necessary supporting need for appropriate augmentation of facilities to the industry. The establi- financial outlays for development shment of this institute should be and maintenance of the road sector. undertaken ~s a central responsibility and be org'nis..!d by the Central 29. Axle overload ing is a serious problem Government. The industry should as sharply focussed by tbe axle load however, be very closely associated in study. There is therefore, an impera- the planning and implementation of tive need for an effective and rilorous, • I Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19,1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 2i4

enforcement system so as to prevent important component of the transpor- everloading and to improve the condi- tation industry not only functional tions of operations of vehicles for but also. in costs. Therefore, as a better safety regulation. constituen t of an infrastructure faciHty ~nd 30. The two-axled rigid body truck is not which needs to be expanded the most efficient haulage vehicle for promoted with the growth of the road transportation. . Greater economy economy, it is of paramount importance can" be achieved by the use of multi- to keep the prices of tyr es within axJe vehicles. In view of the numberous reasonable limits. advantages of multi-axle vehicles, 34. Keeping this in view, while Commit,tee measures need to be t2 ken to pro- stron gly urge that a number of measurs pogate their use for achieving economy should be undertaken by the industry in road transportation. It is suggested to reduce costs, it would also like to that an inter-ministerial group may be recommend that a review of the fiscal set up to go into the various impedi- duties as well as an examination of ments that stand in the way of the the measures for reducing the price of introduction of multi-axle vehicles and raw materials that go into the produ- recommend appropriate measures for ction of tyres be undertaken by the Government's consideration. Government. 31. The present system of licensiJ'lg of capacity on the basis of numbers is not Proposal from West Bengal Government for Thermal P\.iwer Station in IVlurshidabad satisfactory. It appears to the Commi- D~strict ttee that a more precise way of defining capacity would be to relate it to the 3381. SHRI ATISH CHANDRA total weight of tyres produced. At the SINHA: Wili the Minister of ENERGY same time, for certain order purposes, be pleased to state: it 1S necessary to have information of (a) whether Government have received the production of tyres in numbers. It any proposal from the West Bengal State appears to the Committee that the Electricity Board for the proposed SX210 balance of advantage would, therefore MW+2X500 MW The:mal Power Station lie in redifining the existing capacity in Murshidabad District of West Bangal; and also in licensing future capa- cities on the basis of the weight (b) if so, the·details thereof; of material that could be processed in one or more of the critical operations (c) the estimated expenditure thereon; in the manufacture of tyres, in addition (d) th e progress in the matter; and to the present practice of defining capacities purely in terms of numbers. (e) the reasons for delay in according tcchno-econ omic approval to the project 'I 32. At the same time" companies specifically or otherwise licensed for the manufac- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TIlE ture of tyr es must have the freedC'm DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF to change the product-mix without any MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) No, Sir. special reference to or approval by the (b) to (e) Do not arise. Government from the licensing point of view. The same ccnsideration would Restrictions by Kbadi and VilJage Industries apply to the diversification of produ- Commission on Inspection of ne" Institutions ction by existing manufacturers into radial tyres. 3382. SHRI ATISH CHANDRA SINHA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY 33. Although the Committee is not in be pJeased to state: favour of the introduction of price or distribution control, it seems necessary (a) whether some restrictions have been that measures "ill need to be taken imposed by the Khadi and Villale Indus- in order to bring the prices of tyres tries Commission on inspection of new somewhat within line with the inter- institutions and/or giving certificates of nationa 1 prices. Tyres constitute an the Commission; 2is Written Allswers Written Answers 216

(b) if so, the details thereof and the (b) Under the Electricity (Supply) Act, reasons therefor; and 1948, the power to fix tariff for various categories of consumers is vested in State (c) how many institutions have been Electricity Boards; subject to any policy inspected and how many institutions have directives which' might have been issued in granted certificates in Maharashtra, Oujarat, this regard by the State Government under Tamil Nadu and West Bengal during 1983- the Act. 84, 1984-85 and 1985-86 1 [Translation] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Telephone Services in Rural Areas PETRO... CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA SlNGH): (a) Khadi and 3385. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN : Village Industries Commission have not Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS imposed any restrictions of new institutions be pleased to state : or for giving certificate to them. The institutions engaged in production and/or (a) the number of the villages in the sales of Khadi are required to obtain a country where telephone services have been certificate from the Central Certification provided by Government since independence Committee of the Khadi and Village to date; Industries Commission for undertaking (b) the number of the villages proposed Khadi activity. They have to sa.tisfy the to be provided with telephone facilit_ies conditions prescribed by the Khadi and during the Seventh Five Year Plan the Village Industries Commission for obtaining details thereof; , the certificate. (c) whether it is a fact that besides (b) Does not arise. financial constraints, lot of difficulties are (c) Information is not readily available involved in providing telephone services in and is being collected. rural areas; and (d) if so, the plans to overcome such Amendment to Indian Divorce Act difficulties 1 3383. PROF. K..V. THOMAS : Will - THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS pleased to state whether Government have (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) 22906 any proposal to bring forward any legisla- villages have been provided with Long tion to amend the Indian Divorce Act of Distance Public Telephone facility since 1969 ? independence, upto 31 ... 3·85. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) <;000 villages are proposed to be MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE provided with telephone facility during the (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ): No proposal 7th Five Year Plan. for amending the Indian Divorce Act, 1969 is under the consideration of Government. (c) Yes, Sir. (d) (i) Remote, hilly and inaccessible Variation in Power Tariff areas are proposed to be 3384. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Will covered by use of Multiaccess the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to rural radio systems. atate : (ii) Power shortage will be over come by using solar power (a) whether Government are aware that power tariff varies from state to state; and systems where feasible.

(b) if so, the steps taken to have a Complaints Regarding wrong and loOa ted uniform power tariff in all the States? Bills of TelepboDes THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TIlE 3386. SHRI RAM BHAGAT PASWAN : DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF WilJ the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS MOHAMMMAD KHAN): (a) Yes, Sir. be pleased to'state : 211 Written Answers AGRAHAY ANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 218

whether (a) it is a fact that complaints Year No. of complaints received. received by Government from the people about their wrong and inflated bills of 1981-82 1,87,000 telephones are got examined by those 1982-83 80,000 persons who prepare the wrong bins; .., 1983-84 1,07,000 (b) whether it is also a fact t hat after 1984-8S 89,879 examining aU the complaints, the people 1985-86 44,88S are often given the replies in each case that the complaints of intlated bills have been (upto Sept., 1985) got eumined and the amount of the bill The number of compla\nts received has been found correct; during February, 1981 and March, 1981 and the number of complaints found (c) the total number of complaints correct and those found wrong for the received by Government during the period· entire period are being obtained from the from February, 1981 to September, 1985 field units and wiH be furnished soon. and the number of complaints of the people found correct and those wrong; (d) and (e) The information has been called for from the concerned units and (d) the number of the officers punished will be placed on the table of the House as during the said period for preparing wrong early as possible. bills; and [English)

(e) the number of cases in which excess Benef:ts of 18yin~ p:peline fr08l Boabay amount paid by the consumers has been to Loni by H P.C. refunded to them '? 3387. SHRI Y. S. MAHAJAN: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) The (a) whether oil pipeline from Bombay billing of subscribers is done on the basis to Loni via Pune undertaken by Hindustan of information furnished by the Telephone Petroleum Corporation has since been Exchanges regarding meter-readings and laid ; also trunk calls booked. Except for clerical errors in computation or transcription the (b) whether the petroleum products possibility of issuing wrong bills or intlated win reach consumers qui cker as compared bills by the bil1ing department does not to the earlier transportation channels, exist. The complaints received from the namely Rai1ways and ei] tankers carried subscribers are initially examined by the by trucks; billing department to verify if there had been any clerical errors in the issue of (c) whether the price structure of pet· bills. If so, they are rectified and revised roleum products will be affected by this bills are iSSued to the subscriber. I r no change over; and such errors are found the complaints arc sent for further investigation by the (d) what financial benefits wilI accrue to concerned authorities to examine if there the Corporation and is any technical '!utts which could have to the national exchequer? Jet to the alleged excess billing. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND (b) No Sir. NATURAL GAS (SHRI. NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) Yes, Sir. (c) The total no. of complaints recei- (b) Yes, Sir. ved by the Government during the period from April, 1981 to September, 1985 is (c) No decision about a revision in given as under : the price structure has been taken. 219 Writtln Answers Written Answers 220

(d) The Hindustan Petroleum Corpora- (a) whether Government have set up tion wilt be entitled to the usual return an Energy Development Council and if so, on such investments in accordance with the its relationship to the on-going Advisory pricing policy. Since energy consumption Board on Energy ; and product losses are less in pipeline movement of products than in other modes (b) whether the recommendation of of tr tnsportation, the lower consumption various working groups set up by the of petroleum products will result in fo'reign Board have b:!en finalised and implemented; exchange savings to the country. if so, the details thereof; and

Recommendations of the F~rst CO:1vention (c) whether Government propose to and Symposium of Bio-Energy S3c~ety ask the Council to address itself to the re- of Ind;a examinat;on of question of addition of alcohol to petrol as was done in India 3388. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN: Will during World War II and as is being done the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to by lISA at present using alcohol from state : fermentation or chemical process 1 (a) whether the Prime Minister bas called upon the scientists in the country to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE take up only about 10 mission-orient DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF massive research and development projects ; MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) The Govern- ment has decided to set up an Energy (b) if so, whether any of these projects Development Council. Its functions are. will cover sources of bio-energy, if so, under consideration. details thereof ; (b) The on-going Advisory Board on (c) whether Government are aware of Energy did not set any w~rking groups as the several useful recommendations mld~ such. However. a number of Expert Panels at the First Convention and Symposium of w~re constitu~cd and, on the blsis of the Bio-enrrgy Society of India as reported discussion'i/recomm~ndations of such panel in the 'Financial Expr~ss' of 27 O.;tob~r, m:!etings, tw J sets of recommendations 1985 ; and were submitted by the ABE in Sept., 1983 and Feb .• 198 ..k to the Prime Miaiste r. (d) if so, the details of the important These were placed in the Lok Sabha in suggestions made and acce pted by Govern- April, 1984, in fulfilm~nt of an assurance ment and follow up action proposed in given in regard to Uostarred Question No. the background of Prime Minister's 623 on 28.2.1984. The recommendations directives ? are in various stages of consideration/ THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI implementation. VASANT SATHE): (a) and (b) In the (c) There is no such proposal at the Seventh Plan, it is proposed to take up moment. some Science and Technology n1issions. Presently an exercise is being carried out Reduction in Excise Duty on Pollester to formulate the missions. Filament Yarn

(c) Yes, Sir. 3390 DR. A. K. PATEL: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to (d) The inlportant suggestions made state : relate to Bio-Energy resources, biomass processing, environmental issues and special (a) whether it is a fact that Govern- topics like bio-energy education, etc. These ment propose to have " cheap svn thetic suggestions are indeed very useful and fabrics; implementation action has started on (b) whether it is also a fact that it several of them. has reduced the duty on polyester staple Energy Development Council fibre from Rs. 45 kg to Rs. 25 per kg; and 3389. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN: Win the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to (c) if so, the reasons for not reducing ,tate: excise duty on p,?Jyester filament yarn ? 221 Writ"" Answ,rs AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether attention of Government MINISTRY OF CHEMICALS AND has been drawn to the news item appearing PETROCHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. in the 'Financial Express' of 11 November, JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) and (b) Yes, 1985 wherein .it has been stated that more Sir. than 50 per cec t of the installed capacity of thermal power stations in the country (c) The level of excise duty in such remains unutiIised despite a huge power cases is fixed on merits r. om time to deficit and colosal transmission and distri- time, bution losses to Government: Electrification of villages in Madbya (b) if so, the reason thereof; and Prade~b (c) whether any steps are being taken 3391. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGlI by Government to ensure full utilisation MAL1K: of installed capacity of thermal power SHRI SUBHASH Y ADAV : stations in the country? Will the Minister of ENERGY be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state : DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI (a) the total number of villages so far ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) Yes, electrified in Madhya Pradesh : Sir. (b) whether any target has been fixed (b) It is not possible to make 100010 for electrification of more villages in utilisation of installed thermal capacity. It Madhya Pradesh during 1985-86 ; is necessary to subject the generating units to ob~igatory boiler overhaul and capital (c) if so, the details thereof; maintenance of turbines, depending on the conditions of the uuits and manufact- (d) the funds allocated for the purpose turers, instructions. There is non-utilisation for the peri cd 1985-86 ; and ot capacity also due to system load varia... (e) the number of villages out of them tiou. The plant load factor of thermal in Khargone District which are llkely to power stations during April-November, be ~Iectrified during the same period? 1985 was 50.3% THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) In order to further improve plant DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIP load factor of thermal power stations a MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) 41,780 numbl;!r of nleasures have been taken. These villagers have been elt~ctrHitd in the measures include: State of Madhya Pradesh upto the end of (1) Assistance to SEBs/power stations October, 1985. for undertaking plant betterment (b) and (c) 3000 villages are targetted programmes. for electrification in Madhya Pradesh dur- (2) Assistance to SEBs/power stations ing 1985-86. for procurement of requisite quality and quantity of coal and (d) An outlay of Rs. 37.90 crores also spare parts from indigenous has been provided for rural electrification and foreign sources. programme in Madhya Pradesh during (3) Visit of task forces and roving 1985-86. teams to identify weak areas (e) 45 villages of Khargone District are requiring improvement and pre- likely to be electrifiLd during 19S5-86. paration of time bound program- Full UtilisatioD of instaUed capacity of mes for re~tification. Thermal Power Stat;ons (4) Training of engineers and opera.. 3392. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH tion and maintenance personnel. MALIK: (5) lmplementation of a Centrally SHRI MANIK REDDY : Sponsored Renovation and Moder- SUBHASH Y ADAV : SHRI nisation Scheme for thermal WiJl the Minister of ENREGY be stations, with central loan assis- plcaseeS to etatc : tance; and 223 W,inen Answtrs DECEMBER 10, 1985 Wrltttn Answers 224

(6) Proper planning and timely execu- 9. Pre-despatch screen ing of heavy tion of works pertaining to annual bills. overhaul/capital maintenance jobs. Cordless Telepbones In Metropolitan Overbilling of Te'epbones in Delbi Cities 9393. SHRI V. S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN 3394. SHRJ V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : be pleased to state :

Ca) whether overbilling of telephones (8) whether cordless telephone has been in Delhi occurs very frequently; introduced in the metropolitan cities : (b) if so, whether complaints to this (b) if so, the details thereof; effect have been received ; and (c) whether there is any proposal to (c) the steps taken to remedy the extend it to other cities; and situation? (d) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (b) No Sir. However, we do receive (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) and complaints from a few subscribers alleging (b) Yes, Sir. Use of cordless telephone receipt of bills more than they bad antici- has been permitted as an attachment to pated~ Such complaints are received in the telephone with a range not exceeding respect of less than 1~~ of the bills 100 meters. It can be used after obtaining issued. a licence from the Department of Tele- communications subject to fulfi~ment of (c) Following steps have been taken to certain techn:cal conditions. reduce the actua1 incidence of over- billing. (c) and (d) Use of cordless telephone is permitted throughout the country on the 1. Preventive measures to see that tam- conditions indicated in reply to paras (a) pering of exchange meters does not and (b) above. take place. Expansion of Haldia Oil Refinery 2. Restricting entry in the meter rooms. 3395. SHRI AMAR ROYPRADHAN: 3. Locking of DPs/Pillars and Cabinets, Will the Mjnister of PETROLEUM AND in outdoor plants. NATURAL GAS be pleased to state : 4. Routine testing of Subscribers (a) whether Government have decided meter. to depand the existing capacity of Haldia S. Periodic testing of STD barred Tele- Oil Refinery in order to meet the require- phones. ment of Naphtha by the Haldia Petro- Chemical Complex: 6. Improvement of outdoor plants to minimise any interconnections. (b) if so, the detaiJs thersof ; and

7. Fortnightly meter readings are (c) if not, the reasons therefor? exam ined to see whether there are any extraordinary spurts in THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the meter readings. If any such MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND cases are noticed, tests are carried NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL out and the equipment is checked. KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to (c) There In certain cases the number is also is no proposal to expand the Haldia put on paraIJel meter observation. Relifinery during the 7th Plan. Naphtha will be available for the HaJdia Petro- 8. Rigorous checks on data entry to Chemical Complex from other indigenous conlputer. sources and by imports, if necessary. 22S W,ltten Answers AGRAHA YANA 19. 1907 (SAXA) Written Anlwers 226

Integrated energy system using renewa· THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ble sources of energy MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 3396. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) and Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased (b) A new supplement to Delhi Telephone to state: Directory incorporating changes upto November, 1985 has been published and is (a) whether integrated energy systems being distributed. The main new Telephone using renewable sources of energy have been Directory is a, so expected to be published tried out in any village in the country; duri~g 1986. (b) if so, the generation cost of energy (c) No, Sir. However, there is some through th is system ; increase in the traffic on '197' due to (c) whether it has been found to be increase in the number of telephones and economic ; and changes in telephone numbers. (d) if so, whether it will be tried out in (d) and (e) No, Sir, However, ·197' more areas '1 positions are being augmented to cope with the increased traffic. THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI VASANT SATHE): (a) Yes, Sir. Raising of Electrlcity Traffic by states (b) and (c) The cost of energy genera- tion and economics of such systemf are 3398. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: already favourable in remote, rural areas Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased away from the electrical grid and where to state: the supply of other conventional fuels is difficult and expensive. In other areas also, (a) whetht r State Ete:tricity Bo ards in these systems arc approaching economic all the States hav\! b ~en asked to raise viability as costs of constituent systems their tariff's S0 as to generate adequate reduce with improvements in efficiency and surpluses for financing their Seventh Five increase in volume production. Year Plan projects;

(d) 18 such projects have been set up (b) if so, the details thereof; and and 28 are under implementation. Further projects in different part of the country are (c) whether selling price of electricity planned. by the National Thermal Power Corpora- tion will also be raised ? Issue of new Telephone D:rectory THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF 3397. SHRIMATI KISHORI SINHA: MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) and (b) SHRI ANOOPCHAND SHAH: Under the Electricity (Supply) Act, 1948, Will the Minister of COMMUNI- the power to fix and revise tariffs is vested CATIONS be pleased to state : in the State Electricity Board. Effective 1·4.. 1985, accordiDg to an amendment to the (a) whether the latest telephone Act, a State Electricity Board is required directory supplement issued by Ddhi Tele.. to carryon its operations and adjust it, phones is already out of date ; tariff's, so as to earn a surplus of not Jess (b) if so, whether a new directory is than 3°0 (or such higher percentage as the proposed to be issued before the year end; State Government may specify) of the value of the fixed assets of the Board in service (c) whether due to a large number of at the beginning of the year. changes in telephone numbers, the service 197 is faced \\ ith a flood of calls ; (c) The tariff for power supplied by (d) whether this has led to considerable National Thermal Power Corporation to inconvenience to telephone users; and the State Electricity Boards is governed by the Memorandum of Understanding/Bulk (e) if so, the steps being taken to Supply Agreements entered into by the rectify this situation 1 Corporation with the Boards. 227 "'ritten Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answers 228

Setting up of indu:;tries in Cachar [Tr anslation1 District tAs~am) Benami Allotment of Petrol-D iesel and LPG Agencies in Basti Distt., U.P. 3399. SHRI AJOY BISWAS: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to 3400. DR. CHANDRt\ SHEleHAR state : TRIPA THl: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be (a) the number of applications receiv.:d pJeased to state: . for setting up cf industries in Cachar (a) the number of diesel/petro) pumps Districts of Ass?m in 1982, 1983 and 1984 ; and gas agencies functioning at present in Basti District (Uttar Pradesh); (b) the number of Letters of Intent issued during tha t period ; and (b) the names and the total annual sale thereof; (c) the number of applications rejected during the period and the reasons thereof? (c) whether whole work of the pums and gas agencies of this district is being THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE done by the nch people who have obtained DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND them in the name of Scheduled Castes and PETRO - CHEM\CALS (SHRI R. K. weaker sections; JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) 8 (d) if so, whether Government propose' Industrial Licence applications were received to take any step to check these benami under the provisions uf Industries (Deve- allotments, detai 1s thereof; and lopment and Regulation) Act, 1951 for setting up of Industries in Cachar district (e) if not, the reasons therefor? of Assam during 1982, 1983 and 1984. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF TIlE While 6 proposals were approved and MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND letters of intent issued, the rernaining 2 NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL applications were rejected. Various techno- KISHORE SHARMA): (a) The number economic factors such as, demand and of Retail Outlet (Diesel/Petrol) Dealerships supply, export potentiaJ, availability of and LPG Distributorships functioning at raw materials, 1ocational constr.1ints, p .."esent in Basti District (U.P.) is 26 and viability of the scheme and policy consider- 2 respective]y. ations are taken into account while approving or rejecting an Industrial Licence (b) The requisite information is shown application. Grounds of rejection vary in the Statement given below. from case to case and are duly communi- (c) No, Sir. cated to the applicants as well as to the State Go\.:rnmcnts concerneJ. (d) and (e) do not arise.

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1. M/s. Mohan Ram Ram Niwas Khalilabad 145KL 860KL 2. Mis. Om Prakash Ram Prakash Basti 320KL S80KL 3. Mis. Shree Shyam Auto Service Itwa Bazar 85KL 113SKL 4. Radhakrishan Bimal Kumar Pvt. Ltd. Gandhi nagar 556KL 1487KL S. Radbakrishan Bimal Kumar Pvt. Ltd. Manauri 33S2KL 6. Alok Trading Co. Basti 120KL 1734KL 7 Parwati Auto -(10- J460Kl 229 ~Vritten Answers AGRAHAYAN:\ lq, 1907 (SAKA) Wrillen Answers 230

1 .___,------2 3 4 S 8. Telvikas Kendra Bast! 1022KL 9. Agrawal Auto Itwa 430KL 10. Radheyshyam and Sons Mahndewal S2KL 556KL 11. Hiralal Shivprasad L.R.P. Road (Khalilabad) 122KL 670KL 12. Hiralal Shivpra sad BasH Town 721KL 13. Bera Auto Shoratgarh 50KL 630KL 14. Indian Auto Hariyya 1266KL 15. Khetan Oil Co. Naugarh 490KL 16. Kisan Auto Domeriaganj 1504KL 17. Rudhali Filling Station Rudhali (40 to 15Kls. HSD p.m.) 18. Indra Auto Babhnan (40 to 50KLs. HSD p.m·) Jagdamba Service 19. Auto Nawg,arh lSSKL 835KL 20. Dilip Filling Station Bansi 1302KL 21. Vijay Automobiles Barhani l' 570KL 22. Hindustan Automoblies Basti 4SKL 172SKL 23. Basti Oil Co. -do- 1174KL 24. Tulsyan Automobiles -do- 942KL 25. Uroar Automobiles Bewan Chauraha 728KL 26. Pandey Automobiles Basti 159KL 490KL

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Investigation into F:nancial Soundne,,~ of been allotted in District Basti of Uttar Harijan and poor people before allott:ng Pradesh; Gas Agencies in Basti, U.P. (c) whether before allotting gas and 3401. DR. CI-IANDRA SHEKHAR pump agencies to a person belonging to the TRIPATHI: \Vill the Minister of weaker sections (Scheduled Castes and PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS be Scheduled Tribes) Governnlent propose to pleased to state : get it investigated as to whether he will run the agency himself or the same will be (a) whether any assessment of financi~\ 1 run by some nch person and whether such position of Scheduled Castes and the poor investigations are proposed to be conducted sections is made before allotting them the from time to time after allotment of the agencies of petrol pump and gas; agency; and (b) if so, the criteria of assessnlent ar.d (d) if not, the reasons therefor? the details of financial position of these Scheduled Castes in whose names the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE asencies of petrol pumps and gas have MJNISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND 231 WrU,en Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 rJ'riftcn Answers 232

!~ATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL direction include, investment in new mines, KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b) The adoption of better technology, fuller utili- relevant selection guidelines stipulate that sation of mining capacity already created, the annual income of a candidate (under more efficient use and better maintenance all categories) and his family/as defined in of equipment, stricter control of inventory the guidelines) should not be in excess of and economy in the use o~ stores. better Rs. 24,OOOf-. The Oil Selection Boards use of n1anpower by controlling absenteeism make the select ions in th is background. and enforcing discipline and identifi- keeping in view the information re~ating to cat ion of surplus workers and their re- loans!sources of fin'lnc:ng etc. fur Jished deployment a fter suitable training';' better in the prescribed form by the appilcants availability of S",

on-shore and off-shore fields in Andhra Production of D~xycycline, MetranidaozoJe .Pradesh are yet to be fully explored. The Methyl Dllpa lrimethoprim, Sodium PAS stopped by IDPL question of availability of gas for power generation would arise only after p rodu- 3407. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD: ction potential is established. Will the Minister of ·INDUSTRY be pleased to refer to the reply given to Waiting List for new Telephone Connection'; Unstarred Question No. 3245 on 13 August, " in Hyderabad 1985 regarding drugs manufactured by 3405. SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA IDPL, Hyd~rabad and state: REDDY: Will the Minister of (a) whether it is a fact that either COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to. state: IDPL, Hyderabad have stopped production of (a) whether there js a long waiting list Doxycycline, M~tranidazole, M~thyl D~pa, for new telephone connections pending in Trimethoprim Sodium PAS, Furs~mid.! and Hyderabad; Chloroquin Phosphate or ar\! proju;ing the same in very negligible quantity; (b) if so, the time by which Govern- ment hope to meet this demand completely (b) if S), t~l;! ii':::!i.1sej Cap.lclty 0: each for new telephone connections in drug and the production during tne h.st Hydera bad, and three years, year-wise;

(c) the .steps prop')sed to be taken in (c) the cost I)f plant and mlchin~ry this regard? installed for c:lch project along with fee paid for pU;'chase of technolo;y ft.)r e.l-:h THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE drug; MINISTRY OF COM\1UNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, (d) the re;!SarlS for non·utilisltion of Sir. fuiler C lp'1city avail.lbI~ for el(:h drug? (b) The present wa iting list is expected to be deDred progressively during the 7th THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Plan depending on availability of resoU! ~(:S. PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. (c) The existing telephone exc.hanges JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (d) The are being expanded wherever feasible and information is being collected and will be the new ones arc being opened to provide laid 0:1 the Table of the House. new telephone connections depending on availability of switching equipments, cables and other materials. Accumulation of stock at pitheadj of Central CoaUiJeds Ltd.

Introduction of Radio Telephone Service in Andhra Pradesh 3408. SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY : Will the Minister of ENERGY 3406. SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA be pleased to state: REDDY: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : (a) whether it is a fact that Central Coalfields Ltd. t CCL) have started to go (a) whether the Union Government arc slow in production due to huge accumula- contemplating to introduce Radio Tele- tion of stock at pit-heads; phone service in Andhra Pradesh; and (b) whether it is also a fact that on (b) if so, the details thereof 1 account of such accumulation, target for THE MINISTER OF STATE OF TJ:lE 1985-86 would be the same as in the previous year; MINISTRY OF CO~1MUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) No, (c) the reasons why stock accumulates Sir. The Rad io Mobile Telep 1 onc Service in pit-heads; and is not contemplated for Andhra Pradesh at present. (d) the steps taken to remove tho (b) Does not arise. accumulation of stock at pit-heads? 235 Written Answers DECEMBER 10, 1985 Written Answers 236

THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE V ASANT SATHE): (a) In Central Coal- DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND fields Ltd. collieries having huge accumula- PETRO - CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. tion of stocks, a programme to regulate JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) No Sir. production has been undertaken. (b) to (d) Do not arise; (b) The target for production of coal in Central Coalfields Limited during 1985 .. CJearance to Puyankutty H)'dro Electric .86 has been fix:ed at 38.00 million tODnes as Pr·,ject Stage-I in Kerala against its target of 37.5 million toones during 1984-85. 3410. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : SHRI GEORGE JOSEPH (c) and (d) Pithead stocks have been MUNDACKAL: accumulating due to : Will the Minister of ENERGY be 1. Inadequate availability of railway pleased to state: wagons for coal loading. (a) whether his Ministry has approved 2. Less materialisation of demand the Puyankutty Hydro Electric Project from the consuming sectors ; than Stage#I in Kerala for investment clearance originally anticipated. as a priority scheme ; (b) wh~ther external assistance is pro- 3. Delay in the commissioning of posed to be obtained for the scheme; washeries in CCL. (c) if so, the details thereof; and 4. Over production of coal in areas from where there is inadequate (d) whether any provision is proposed offtake to m:lke up for the short- for the ~ bove scheme in the 1985-86 or fall in production elsewhe!e. 1986-87 Annual Plan. Concerted efforts are being n1ade to THE MINISTER OF ST ATE IN THE liquidate accumulate pithead stocks by DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF stepping up despatches by rail, road and MOHA~v1MAD KHAN): (a) Puyankutty other means. Efforts are also being made I [ydro-electric Project Stage-I (2X120 MW) to transport coal pithead stocks from the ia Kerala has been recommended to the non-rail linked collieries to nearest rail- Planning Commission for investment heads for despatches by rail where-ever ~anction. possible. A Dumber of collieries, have also been put on liberaliscd sale by road. (b) and (c) A decision regarding external assistan,e can be considered only after the DMT and PTA Interchangeable Raw Project is sanctioned by the Planning Materials for Polyester loOth try Commission.

3409. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: (d) There is no provision in the Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased approved Po~er Sector State Plan for to state: 1985-86. The State's Annual Plan 1986-87 is yet to be finalised. (a) whether the National Chemical Laboratory in Pune has given advice to bis Ministry that DMT and PTA are inter- Reduction in service charges, repair costs, changeable raw materials for polyester etc. of MaruU car industry ; 3411. SHRI AMAL DATIA: Will (b) if so, the details thereof; the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to (c) whether his Ministry has acted on state: this advice ; and (a) whether service charges, repair (d) whether it has been subsequently costs and spare parts prices of Maruti found out from scientific/technical scrutinies car have been drastically reduced recently: that those are really not interchangeable r.w materials '1 (b) if so, the details thereof; Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 238

(c) the reasons for such reduction; (a) whether Ethambutol and Pyrazina- and mide are important anti-TB drugs; (d) the reasons for higher prices being (b) whether it is a fact that these drugs charged earlier and how those were fixed? are produced indigenously;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) whether it is also a fact that his DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Ministry has fixed the 'prices of these· two PETRO~CHEMICALS (SHRI R K. JAI- bul k drugs as well as medicines based on CHANDRA SINGH): (a) Maruti Udyog these drugs ; and Lt~., has reduced prices of some spare (d) if so, when and what price of each parts. Also some dealers have reduced of the bulk drugs and formulations based repair charges. on these were fixed ?

(b) to (d) The earlier prices were fixed THE MINISTER OF STAT~ IN THE on the basis of the then prevailing procure- DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND ment prices and the need for higher inven.. PETROCHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. tory. The reduction in parts price became JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. possible because of indigenisation, increased volume of sales and lower procurement (b) Yes, Sir. prices. (c) Yes, Sir. (d) The price of Ethambutol was fixed Prices fixed for Ethambutol and Py;aziou- at Rs. 681/- per kg. on 19th July, lS84 and mide al'd their formulations that of Pyrazinamide at Rs. 1273.55 on 12th May, 1981. Dcta Us of leader prices fixed 3412. SHRI VISHNU MODI: Will the by the Government based on the above Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to referred prices of bulk drugs are given in state: the Statement below.

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S1. Name of the formulation Pack Lead~r price Date of No. and strength Size excluding excise fixation duty as fixed by the Government

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ETHAMBUTOL BASED FORMULATIONS :

1. Ethambutol Tablets 10's strip/ 4.18 10.10.1984 200 mg/tablet bottle 2. .do- 6's 2.37 10.10.1984

3'. Ethambutol Tablets 10's strip/ 6.76 10.10.1984 400 mg/tablets bottle

4. -do- 6's 4.18 10.10.1984 S. Ethambutol Tablets 10's strip/ 9.81 10.10.1984 600 l1lg/tablet bottle 6. -do- 12's strip/ 11.77 10.10.1984 bottle

7. Ethambutol Tablets 6'5 strip/ 5.99 10.10.1984 600 mg./tablets bottle . I 239 Written AftSwers DECEMBER 10. 1985 Written A ftswers 240

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8. Ethambutol Tablets 6's strip/ 7.80 10.10.1984 800 mg./tablet bottle

9. -do- lO's strip/ 12.82 10.10.1984 bottle

10. -do- 12's strip/ 15.41 10.10.1984 bottle

PYRAZINAMIDE BASED FORMULATIONS: 1- Pyrazinamide Tablets 10's strip 15.30 22.7.1981 500 mgj tablet

[Translation] (c) No,

Shortage of operators in Telegraph offices (d) Nil. in Rajasthan (e) NiH . .3413. SHRI VISHNU MODI: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : Sborfag~ of ~eIephoDe operators in Rajas than c ircie (a) whether it is a fact that teleprinters installed in telegraph offices in Rajasthan 3414. SHRI VISHNU MODI: WiH are ,often ~ying in-operative resulting in the Minister of COM~lUNICATIONS be loss to the people in soci81 as well as pleased to state: commercial spberes ; (a) whether Government have received (b) whether it is also a fact that one , complaints that telephones are attended of the reasons for teleprinters often rema- late because of shortage of telephone ining inoperative is shortage of 0 pera tors? operators in the telephone exchaBges under Rajasthan Circ]e ; (c) if S0, whether it is also a fact that in some telegraph offices the number of (b) if so, the details of such com· operators is in excess of the prescribed" plaints; strength and at certain places it is less than (c) whether Governn\ent have taken any the prescribed strength ; action in this regard; and (d) whether Governm\!nt have received (d) if so, the complets detaile thereof any memorandum in this regard; and and if Dot, the reasons therefor? (e) if so, the details of the action taken by Government in this regard and if not, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the reasons therefor '1 MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) No TIlE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE complaints have been received regarding M1.NISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS late attendance by 1.0.s. due to shortage. (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) No, Not often but in very few cases teleprinters (b) to (d) Nil. installed in combined offices and DTOS remain in operated due to power/channel [English] failure and non availability of trained tele- printer's Signallers. Distribution of raw material to Sma II Scale Industries (b) No shOl'tale of operators in cros/' DTOS but in few cases shortage of TIP 3415. SHRI VISHNU MODI: Will trained sipal1ers in combined post offi- the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to ces. state: ,- Wrlttln Answers AORAHAYANA 19, 1901 (S AKA) Written Answers

(a) whether it is a fact that raw tion is observed in the small scale sector material to small scale industries of the over the years. States is distributed by Union Government through the Industrial Development Corpor- Cbjking of underground pbone cables ations ; during monsoons 3416. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: (b) if so, whether it also a fact that Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS materials required by these industries. be pleased to refer to the rep1y given to which is assessed by his Ministry are not Unstarred Question No. 558 on 19th March, issued by the Industrial Development 1985 regarding choking of underground Corporations; phone cables during monsoons and «(;) if so, whether it is also a fact that state-: due to non-availability of raw material to (a) the extent to which the measures small scale industries production is decre- mentioned In the said reply to check asing ; choking of underound phone cables during (d) if so. the steps taken by Govern- rainy season were found successful during ment so far in this regard and the details recent monsoon season; of facts which have come to light ;' and (b) how many telephones remained (e) if no action has been taken so far, inoperative during monsoons and for which the reasons therefor ? period as compared to monsoons in 1984 when the preventive measures had not been THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE taken; DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND (c) what improvements are now requi- PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K red in the measu res detailed; and JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Some raw materials like iron and steel, palm fatty (d) the places in the capital where acids etc. are normally supplied to small these measures had not been taken and the scale industrial units through the Samll reasons therefor? Scale Industries Corporations (SSICs) of the respective State/Union Territories. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE However, certain categories and group of MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS small scale industries do receive raw mate- (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) (a) Mea- rials directly from the main producers. sures mentioned have been successful. The extent to which they have been successful (b) Small Scale Industries Corpora- may be seen at the statement given below tions supply the raw materia1s to the small enclosed. scales units based on their assessed capacity (b) The information is shown in the as recommended by the Sponsoring comparative statement given below. authority i.e. State Directorate of Indus- tries and their b( st offtake, prorated to (c) The implementation of the instru- availability. ctions is of continuous nature and the inlprovement is continuously being (c) to (e) Government is not ~ware of watched. any decrease in production in 5S1 sector due to non-availability of raw material. On (d) In all the places in the Capital the contrary, substantial increase in produ- these measures have been adopted. 243 DECEMBER. 10. 1985 Wrille'll Answers"

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Gas Turbines i~ Orissa Project in Bhutan (4 X 84 MW) and a share 3417. SHRI CHINTAMANI lENA: of 7S MW from the Farakka STPS. Stage-I Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased (3 X 210 MW), when these units are com- to state: missioned in the Seventh Plan. Central assistance is also b.eing provided to moder- (a) whether there is any proposal to nise and renovate the Talcher Thermal set up suitable number of gas turbines to Power Station. meet the power demand in Orissa until major thermal stations I ike Ib Thermal and Increase in rate of Electricity Talcher Super Thermal are commissioned· ; 3418. SHRI S.O. GHOLAP : Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state : (b) if so, the details thereof and how far those will meet the power demand of the State; and (a) whether it is a fact that States like Maharashtra have increased the rate of electricity from 30 per cent to 70 per cent (c) the other measures being taken to solve the problem of Orissa State 1 as per directive from the Union Govern- ment ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the number of States which DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF· have raised the rates of electricity and to MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (c)· The what extent? Orissa State Electricity Board have pro- posed to set up two sets of Gas Turbine THE MINISTER 'OF STATE IN THE Plants of 3X10 MW capacity, one each at DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF Bhubaneshwar and Jaipur Road. The pro- MOHAM,MAD KHAN) : (a) and (b) Under ject could be considered for techno- the Electricity (Supply) Act,. 1948, the economic clearance after necessary inputs, po\"\er to ·fi~ and revise tariff is vested in such as the availability of fuel on a the State Electricity Board. The Act, sustained basis, have been tied up. . according to an amendment effective The energy availability in Orissa during 1-4-1985, requires a State Electricity Board April-October, 1985 was 2487 MU, as to carryon its operations and adjust its against the anticipated requirement of tariff. so as to earn a surplus of not less 3113 MU. In order to in·crease power than 3~~ (or such higher percentage as the availability in the State, additioual generat- State Government may specify) of the ing capacity of 483.5 MW is programmed value of the fixed assets of the Board in to be commissioned during the Seventh service at the beginning of the year. According to the information available, Plan period. nine State Electricity Boards have revised In addition, Orissa would receive their tariffs after 1-4-1985 to the extent benefits of 31 MW from the Chukha Hydel indicated in the statement given below · bBCBY8SIlto.1985

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Industrial Policy in respect of Cement (3) whether the Union Government Production have granted loans to West Bengal State 3419. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: Electricity Board for construction of inter- Win the Minister of INDUSTRY be pJeased State transmission lines during the Sixth to state: Five Year Plan period : (b) if so, the details of the scheme for (a) whether the Industrial Policy in which loans were gran ted ; ,respect of cement units is undergoing a rapid change as it has been found that the (c) the physical targets and the actual installed capacity has exceeded the Plan achievements; and target and there is a danger that some of the mini plants as well as plants using (d) the reasons for shortfall, if any? obsolete technology may become sick ; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the details regarding the DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. various steps Government propose to take for increasing the production in view of (b) The schemes for which loans were estimated demand by the end of the granted to the West Bengal State Electricity Seventh Five Year Plan? Board during the Sixth Five Year Plan are listed below : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND 1. Chandrapura (DVC) Durgapur PETRO, - CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. (DVC) Double Circuit and Durga- JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) pur (DVC) Durgapur' (WB) 220 KV Single Circuit (on Double As against the Si~th Plan target of 43 Circuit towers) lines. million tonnes of installed capacity for cement, materialisation of installed capacity 2. Durgapur (DVC)-Durgapur (WB) at the end of the Sixth Plan (1984-85) was 220 KV line (stringing of Second 42.80 million tonnes, Ia view of increase Circuit). in production and installed capacity in 3. Birpara-Phuntsholing 66 KV single cement industry, gap between demand and Circuit line. supply of cement is expected to be eliminat- ed by the end of the Seventh Five Year 4. Gangtok-Kalimpong 66 KV Double Plan. As sufficient capacities have been Circuit line. approved by way of issue of Lette rs of 5. Chandil-Santaldih 220 KV Single Intent/Industrial Licences/Registration with Circuit line. Dir~torate General of Technical Develop- ment to meet the projected demand during 6. Chandrapura-Santaldih 220 KV the Seventh Plan and immediately there- Single Circuit line «(In double after, a policy of not encouraging new circuit towers) large cement plants in greenfield areas for a period of 2 years is being followed. 7. Rengali-Kolaghat 400 KV Single WitHe mini cement plants have been Circuit line. exempted from the purview of price and distribution control of Cem.:nt Control (c) All the the schemes except Chand iI- Order, 1967, all encouragement is given for Santaldih 220 KV line and Rengali·Kolaghat modernisation of units hav ing obsolete wet 400 KV line, have been completed. process technology. In order to enable Chandil-Santaldih line is targetted for the sick units to rehabilitate and nlodern lse completion in 1986-87 and Rengali-Kolaghat themselves, their levy obligation is fixed at I ine in 1988-89. a lower level. (d) The main reasons for delay in completion of lines are Ii) resistance to Loan to West Bengal State Electricity Board construction by villagers demanding higher 3420. DR. PHULRENU GUHA: Will compensation ; (ii) frequent thefts of tower the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to members and other line materials; and state : (iii) delay in respect or forest clearance. 253 Written Answ"., AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAXA) • Written Answers 254

Iocrease in sick Industrial units in West Bengal of India for the purpose of rehabilitation/ revival of sick industrial units. 3421. DR. PHULRENU GUHA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to Setting up or Industries in Backward state: areas (a) whether the number of sick small 3422. SHRI R.M. BHOVE : scale industrial units in West Bengal has SHRI ANIL BASU : increased durinl the last three years; Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be (b) if so, the details thereof; and pleased to state :

(c) the steps taken proposed? (a) whether it is a fact tllat the scheme for setting up of industries in backward THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE areas through the 'No industry district and' DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND 'backward district' classification bas been PBTRO-CHEMlCALS (SHRI R. K. achieved the desired targets; JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) whether any study has been made (b) According to the Reserve Banle of in this regard; India the number of sick small scale units ftnan~ by scheduled commercial banks in (c) if so, the results thereof; West Bengal stood at 7827 at December (d) whether Government propose to end 1981 which increased to 11201 at the review the entire scheme in the light of end of December 1982 and further to 14165 experience; at December end 1983. (e) if so. the details thereof; and (c) The Reserve Bank of India, ,in consultation with the Government of India, (f) when a decision is likely to 'be taken in the matter? has constituted a State Level inter-Institu- tional Committee in West Bengal under the Chairmanship 'of the Secretary, Comme- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE rce and Industries D>!partment, with the DEPART~ENT OF CHEMICALS AND local representative of RBI as convenor, PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. The Commi ttee considers the problems JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) to (c) The faced by smaH scale units and small entre- various fiscal and incentive schemes in operation in the backward areas are gene- preneurs. All scheduled Comm~lci,al banks in West Bengal have set up speclahsed cells rating the desired effect for attracting to tackle various problems associated with industries to these areas as would be evi- sick industrial undertak ings. A cell has dent fr om the following number also been established in the Reserve Bank of Letters of Intents (LOI), Industrial of India to function as a clearing house Licences (IL) and DGTD registrations for information relating to sick units and issued during the years 1982 to 1985. also to act as a coordinating agency bet- Year ween the Government, banks, financial LOI IL OGm Registration institutions and other agencies for tackling 1982 601 145 704 the various related problems. lOBI and 1983 664 317 1155 IFCI provide financial assistance to sick 1984 627 323 1106 small scale industrial units towards the 1985 *625 *377 651·· cost cf feasibility studies conducted for formulating rehabilitation programmes. • From Jan... Oct. 1985 IDBJ has devised refinance scheme for •• From Jan-Sept. 1985 living rehabilitation assistance to sick sma)) scale units. The State Government Apart from this, Small Scale Industries of West Bengal have introduced margin have also come up in the backward areas. money scheme for assisting sick sma)) scale The total effect can be seen from the industrial units. T~e Central Government Central Investment and Central Traosport has set up in March, 1985, a new bank Subsidies disbursed during the year 1983-84 pamoly i Industrial Reconstruction Bank to 1985-86. The details are give~ below; 255 Written Answers DBCEMRER 10. 198' Written Answtrs 256

(a) the estinlated quantity of the Year Amount (Rs. in crores) lignite deposists found so far at Kapurdi 1982-83 40.00 and nearby areas in Barnlet district in Rajasthan and the details thereof; 1983-84 53.20 1984-85 85.00 (b) the est imated capacity of the thermal plants which can be set up from 1985-86 65.10 the said lignite deposits and the details (upto 30.11.85) of the project report in this regard ; and

(d) to (f) An Inter-Ministerial Commi- (c) whether the Union Government ttee has been set up to review and revise propose to help in polving the power pro- the Central Incentive Scheme for industrial blem of the desert a reas of Rajasthan by including the said thermal plant in the dispersal and development of the backward Seventh Five Year Plan 1 areas. The Committee is expected to submit its report by 31.12 1985. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHRI ARIF Ranking of India among Industrially MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (8) to (c) The advanced Nations lIuantity of deposits found so far in - the 3423. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: Kal'urdhi area is estimated at 56.84 million . Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased tonnes, which could be firmed up after to state: technical and economic issues in respect (a) the rank occupied five years ago of the feasibility of mining and utilisation and now by India among developed indus- of lignite in this area are resolved; the trial nations of the world ; and State Government/State Electricity Board could then go into the feasibility of locating (b) the plans under way for further a Thermal Power PIa n t on these reserves. acceleration of industrial development and According to the Rajasthan Seate Electri- to improve the ranking of India among city Board, the proposal for setting up of a the industrially adv2nced nations? Thermal Power Station, based on lignite THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE deJ')osits at Banner, js presently in an DBPART\1ENT OF CHEMICALS AND exploratory stage. PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) The ranking of different manufacturing countries is Import of Penicillin beset with serveral problems. Firstly, the basis on which ranking is made is not on 3425. SHRI HARI KRISHNA similar parameters. Secondly, the coverage SHASTRI: Will the Minister of of countries for such a comr,arison is INDUSTR Y be pleased to state : neither exhaustive nor identical for the (a) whether it is a fact that his period of comparison. Thirdly, the weigh- Ministry has allowed the import of Penici- tage given to certain sector slike mining oil llin to certain actual users ; production affects rational comparison. (b) if so, the names of the compani,es (b) The Government has been taking and the quantity recommonded in each several steps to stimulate industrial produ- case; ction through appropriate changes in industrial licensing and import policies as (c) whether it is also a fact that uptitl welJ as thruugh monetary and fiscal mea- last year, the country's requirement was sures and improvement in infrastructure. met by ind igenous prod uct ion ; and . [Translation] (d) if so, the reasons for. allowing import of penicillin? Settiag up of thermal plant based 00 lignite depOSits in Rajasthan THH MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3424. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND JAIN : Will the Minister of ENERGY be PETRO·CHEMICALS (SHR I R.K. pleased to state: ' JAICHANDRA SINGH) ; (a) Imports of 257 Written Answers AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 258

Penicillin G First Crystal only have been (December, 1984-November, 1985), the allowed. estimated production of alcohol at 6000 (b) The necessary details are geven in lakh litres in the country was inadequate the Statement at Annexure-I to meet its demand of 8600 lakh litres for different uses including industrial use. as (c), Till last year, the production of projected by State Government Union Terri- Penicillin First Crystal in the country was tories. adequate. (c) The actual users (industrial) were (d) The need for import has arisen as permitted duty free import of industrial the indigenous production is not sufficient alcohol (denatured). to meet the increasing demand for prod u .. (d) and (e) The inter.. state al1ocation ction of 6 AP A in the country. of alcohol for surplus to deficit state during last alcohol year' was 367.10 lakh Statement Htres for induatrial use and 41S.96 lak'h I itres of potable use. SI. Name of the Quantity allowed No. company for import Performance of Central Government AdVocates 1. MIs. Max India Ltd. 200 MMU 2. Mis. Pharmchem 36 MMU 3427. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE 3. Mis. Cadila Labs. 10MMU be pleased to state : 4. Mis. Gujarat Lyka 28 MMU Organic (a) whether Government are maintai- ning any reevrd as to the performance of S. Mis Sarabhai Chemicals 42 MMU the Central Government advocates ; 6. Mis. Cepham Labs. 24 MMU 7. Mis. Armour Chemicals 17.6 MMU (b) if so, the number of cases woo, (11 tonnes) lost and pending for the last three years in the Supreme Court, High Courts and Tribunals ; and Short supply of Industrial Alcohol (c) if no such records are maintained 3426. SHRI SOMNATH RATH : the reasons therefor ? SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE pleased to state: (SHRI H. R. BHARDWAJ) : (a) to (c) The (a) whether GoveInment are aware of Department of Legal Affairs of the Minis- the serious crisis faced by the organic try of Law and Justice maintains panels of chemical manufacturers due to the short Central Government Advocates who repre.. supply of industrial alcohol : sent the Union of India in civil matters in the Supreme Court and the High Courts. (b) if so, to what extent; Apart from this, certain administrative (c) the remedial steps initiated to face Ministries like the Ministry of Railways, the crisis; Ministry of Finance, etc. maintain their own Panels of Advocates. In certain cases, (d) the ratio of allocation of alcohol ad ministrative Ministries also engage for potable sector and organic chemical counsel outside the panel to appear before manufacturing industry ; and Courts and Tribunals on terms and condi- tions approved by the Department of Legal (e) the details thereof 1 Affairs. Thus, no centralised record of the Central Government Advocates is maintai- THE MINISTER OF STATE ned in the Department of Legal Affairs. IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO-CHEMICALS The Central Government Advocates on (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH) ; (a) the panels maintained or approved by the and (b) In the last alcohol year 1984-85 Department of Lesal Affairs are appointed 2S9 Writl~n AnsK'l'rs DEC~MBER 10, 198~ Written Answers 260

on the basis of their qua1ifications~ e~perie­ to a study according to which 30 per cent nce, standing at the Bar and competence. sa viogs in power would be achieved by using By and large, the performance of these different techniques and that industry has Advocates has been satisfactory. In cases done nothing in this reg~rd; and where any deficiencies comes to our notice, necessary action is taken, including termi- (b) whether the details of the study nation of the appointment. referred to above will be laid on the Table? Estim~ted production of Oil in Bombay Higb Offshore THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3428. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA: DEPARTMENT qF CHEMICALS A~D Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. "K. NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) The Department of Public Enterprises have not (a) whether it is a fact that oil was commissioned any study regard ing power discovered in the Bombay High offshore savings in industry. However, according to about ten years ago ; a repert of an inter·ministerial working group constituted in 1981 thel e is scope for (b) if so, the details of the fresh conservation of energy in the indllst~ial explorations in the line after the above sector to the extent of 25~~ on the averaae. discovery during the last teo years; and The report has been sent to the concerned (c) th~ details of production from associations of Industry for dis~emination BJmbay High for the last five yea! s ? of information among the mmbeTs and for initiating follow up action for implemen.. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF Tf-IE tation of the recommendation of the MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND report. NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) Yes, Sir. Negotiation for use of ~as with Andhra Prade.,b S.E.8. (b) During the last ten years, about 9.4 thousand line kms. of surv~y has been 3430. SIIRI S.M. BlIATTAM : Will conducted in the b2..sin. Based on the the Minister of PETROLEUM AND interpretation of data~ 110 expIorato~y NATURAL GAS be pleased tn state: wells have been drilled. Hydrocarbons were discovered in 25 prospects besides (a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas Bombay High main. Commission has been negotiating with the (c) The details are as under : Andhra Pradesh State Electricity Board and other priva te orga n isa tions for the use of g3S; ~nn Year Production of crude oil (in Mill ion Tonnes) (b) if so, the details in this regard?

1980-81 4.98 THE MINISTER OP STATE OF THE 1981-82 7.98 MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL 12.S8 1982-83 KlSHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b) The 1983-84 17.39 Andhra Pradesh State Electricity Board 1984-SS 20.13 has recently informed this Ministry of its intention to set up gas-based power genera- tion facilities of 200 MW capacity. Some Study regarding savings in power by industry private parties have a Iso registered their , using different Techniques requirement of gas with ONGe. 3429. SHRI S.M. BHATIAM: Will tbe Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to As onshore and offshore fields are yet .tate : to be funy explored and producti0n poten- tial establisbed, long-term commitments (a) whether it is a fact that the Depart· for supply of gas cannot be given at t~i! Dlcut of Public Enterprises recently referred stage. t\(iRAHAYANA 19, t907f(SAKA) Wriftel1 Answers 2£12 261 Wrilt~n Answ~rs -f-

Complaints against LPG Agencies The complaints related to delayed supply of refills, rude behaviour, over- 3431. SHRI U. H. PATEL: Will the cha::-ging, out-of-turn connections, insistence on purchase of hot plate, delay in instal- Minister of PETROLEUM AND Iati on of new gas connections and delay in NATURAL GAS be pleased to state:

~ getting a mechanic for repairs etc. (a) whether some complaints have been (c) and (d) All the complaints were received from Bulsar, Gadhara, Vadodara investigated and corrective measures taken and Surat Districts of Gujarat and Dadra by the oil companies. Licence of one and Nagar Haveli against LPG Agencies distributor at Surat has been susrended by from 1st January 1984 to 18 November the State Government and release of new 1985; connections has been suspended in respect (b) if so, the details thereof; of two distributon.

(c) the action taken on each complaint; Gas and Petrol Pumps Agencies in Distrids and of Gujarat and Dadra and Nagar Haveli

(d) how many agencies have been dis- 3432. SHRI U.H. PATEL: Will the continued/cancelled during the abo-ve Minister of PETROLEUM AND- period ~ NA!URAL GAS be pleased to state the details of gas and petrol pump agencies THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE .' t given to varIOUS categories viz. scheduled MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND castes, scheduled tribes, freedolL fighters7 etc. NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL in Bulsar, Gadhara, Vadodara and Surat KlSHORE SHARMA) : (a) Yes, Sir. Districts of Gujarat and Dadra and Nagar Haveli from 1st January 1984 to .. Math . (b) The details are given below November, 1985? THE ~1INISTER OF ST ATE THE: No. of complaints OF Places MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM -AND received NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHAR~fA): The Oil Industry has Bulsar 13 awarded the following LPG distributorships Godhara 2 and retail outlet (petrol/diesel) dealerships Vadodara 27 in Buhar, Gadhara Vadodara and Surat Di stricts of Gujarat and in the Union Surat 27 Territory ofDadra and Nagar Haveli from Dadra and Nagar Haveli Ni1 ------1st January 1984 to 18th November, 1985.

L.P.G. R.O.

1 ST - Buisar sc - VG - 1 VG - 1 Gadhara SC - Government Body 1 3 ST - Vadodara ST SC 1 PH 1 Government Body - 1 4 SC ... 1 Surat ST - VG - 1 ST - 2 Government Body - 3 Others - 3 Dadar and Nagar Haveli Written Answers DECEMBER to. t98s Written Answers 264

Supply of Wax to States MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL K.ISHORE 3433. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: SHARMA) : (a) and (b) The projected Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND availability and demand of Paraffin Wax NATURAL GAS be pleased to state: during 19R5 is estimated at 64400 tonnes and 64000 tonnes respectively. However, (a) the quantity of wax produced in some shortfall in availability is anticipated the country annually; on account of delays in stabilisation of (b) the annual requirement of wax in wax production by Madras Refineries Ltd. the country ; (c) On the basis of the assessment and (c) bow the wax is being supplied to recommendations of the Directors of the actual users ; and Industries the Oil Companies supply the required quantities to the consumers either (d) the quantity of wax supplied to directly or through their distritbutors. each State during the last three years, year- wi.? (d) The state-wise supplies for the years 1983, 1984 and 1985 are given in the State· THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ment given below.

Statement

S. No. Name of the State 1983 1984 1985 (upto October, 85 G 3 4 5

1. Andhra Pradesh 988 1384 1420 2. Assam 1399 2391 1793 3. Arunachal Pradesh 11 6 5 4. Bihar 795 640 587 S. Gujarat 1788 1280 839 6. Haryana 70 90 90 7. Himachal Pradesh 15 20 8. Jammu and Kashmi r 265 178 115 9. Karnataka 830 1327 1248 10. Kerala 1641 2375 2584 11. Maharashtra 10816 10153 6921 12. Madhya Pradesh 485 325 466 13. Manipur 370 490 275 14. Meghalaya 45 45 10 IS. NagaI and 289 322 120 16. Orissa 226 437 388 17. Punjab 132 348 445 18. Rajasthan 249 312 309 19. Sikkim/Bhutan 30 15 12 20. Tamil Nadu 6537 7301 5755 21. Tripura 81 S4 175 22. Uttar Pradesh 2422 4358 2962 23. West Benpl 6292 7667 5332 265 Writt,,, Answ,rs AGRAHA YANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Written Aiuwers 2"

1 2 3 4 S

Nil Nil Nil 24. Andaman and Nicobar Islands 25. Chandigarh Administration 57 40 30 26. Dadra and Nagar Haveli 27. Delhi 2013 2762 1636 28. Goa, Da n1J n and Diu 380 494 223 29. Mizoram 100 116 70 30. Pondicherry 60 105 124 31. Lakshadeep

38386 44915 33964

NOTE: The above does not include wax: availability out of the production of Small Scaie Industries for extracting paraffio wax out of slack wax to the extent of about 19000 metric tonnes.

Liberalised Licensing Policy for Synthetic Introduction of noD-commercial Soft Loans Fibres for revival of Sick units

3434. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: 3435. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHEll.. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be lEE: pleased to state: SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: (a) whether the Union Government Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be have decided to liberalise licensing policy pleased to state : for synthetic fibres; (b) if so, whether in the light of the (a) whether Government of West Bengal new Textile Policy announced recently by have suggested introduction of non-com· Government, the demand for synthetic mercia1 soft loans for the revival of sick fibres including yarn has also been con- units; sidered ; (b) if so, the details of the suggestions: (c) if so, the steps taken to meet this and demand and provide synthetic fibres for (c) the reaction of the Govern· textile industry at economical prices; and Union ment to this suggestion ~ (d) whether instructions have been issued to the financial institutions to give THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE preference to those parties which are able DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND to arrange the necessary resources on their PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. own and who make a minimum draft on JAICHANDRA SINGH) : (a) No, Sir. the resources of these institutions 1 (b) and (c) Do not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND Identification of bKckward districts PETROCHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. in Bihar . JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) The libera- lised Jicensing policy for syhthetic fibres 3436. SHRI VIJOY KUMAR YADA~ : was announced on 24th September, 1985. Win the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleaaeci (b) amd (c) The question of creation to state: of additional capacity and the measures (a) whether Government have identified to keep the prices of synthetic fibres at a reasonable level are constantly under the backward districts in Bihar ; review. (b) if so. the detai 1s thereof • (d) No Sir. 261 Written Answers DECEMBER 10. 1985 Written Answers

(c) whether Government have formu- Rs. 18.44 crores and those from Bihar State lated any plan to set up some industry in Electricity Board which are accumulations those districts; and from 1964-65 total Rs. 47.15 crores.

(d) if so, the details thereof? (c) The question of clearance of out- sjandings has been taken up with Govern-' THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ments of Bihar and Bengal. DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND West PEtROCHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): (a) and (b) The following districts of Bihar have been identified as industrially backward:

Cat. 'A~ :-. Bhojpur, Kha- 12.00 brs. garia, Naland.l, Purnea, Saharsa (includes newly created Ivladhepura district) MR. SPEAKER: Shri Narayan Dutt Tiwari. Cat. 'B~ :-Bhagalpur, Darbhanga, Champaran, (East and West) Palamau and Yes, Tulsiramji ? Santhal Parganas districts. [Translation] Cat. 'C' ---Muzdffarpur, S:lfan. Kd- wadah, Gaya, Bcgusa~ai and ]'vfonghyr. SHRI V. TULSIRAM (Nagarkurnool) Mr. Speaker .. lillterrUplions) (a) and (d) Central In\'estme~1ts arc primarily in large indust!'ial projects of a MR. SP EAKER : Shri Tulsir~m, please basic character. The location of such speak projects is d~cided on board tei.,;h110- SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Mr. Speaker, thes~ economic considerations. Subject to the Hon. Prime Minister is si tt ing ... considerations preference is given to back- (InterrupTions) ward areas. [English] Damod:lf Valley Corporation f,)rcec to resort to He.n'y !\'L:_rked Borrowing MR. SPEAKER : What is your point of order? 3437. DR. B.L. SAILESH: Will the Minister of ENERGY be pleased to state: [Tranllal ion] (a) whether the DamJd:.lr Valley Cor- SHRI V. TULSIRAM : I have full pordtion has again been forced to resort to faith in his leadership. In BaHia district heavy marked borrowing following the of U .P., certain Harijans have been reluctance of the Bihar and West Bengal killed ... ( Interruptions) State Electricity Boards to pay their dues in time; MR. SPEAKER: It is a State subject. (Interruptions) (bY if so, the total amount owed by these two State E1ectricity Boards and SHRI V. TULSIRAM : I have given a since when this amount had been accumu- Notice under rule 193. In Andhra Pradesh lating ; and a.lso simiiar incident had taken p1ace and permission was given to discuss the matter (c) the steps which Government or the here ... ( Interruptions) D. V.C. propose to take to recover these huge outstandings and save the Dve from MR. SPEAKER : It is a State subject. becoming sick organisation? Say sOlnetbing else.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (Interruptions) DEPARTMENT OF POWER (SHR( ARIF SHRI MOHD. MAHFOOJ ALI MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes; Sir, KHAN (Etah) : There are man y recognised parties which have not been allotted rooms (b) As on 30.11.1985, ducs from West here ... (1 n terrup tions)* • Bengal State Electricty Board, which are accumulations from' 1%9-70, total MR. SPEAKER; Not allowed. _-----._------.- ·*Nut reCorded. 270 269 ARGAHAYANA 19,1907 (SAKA)

[English) MR. SPEAKER: Not at all. (Interruptions) SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S DEO (Parvathipuram) : In any case, you SI-IRI GHULAM NABI AZAD : Sir. cannot, in an illegal manner, seal our this is not prop~r. He is saying that ''The Party offices. (Interruption.,") And )csterday Speaker has·* you have expunged some remarks, whatever (I nterrupt;ofts) I said·· l' have not said anything un parI ia- mentry. MR. SPEAKER: Please withdraw your SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN insinuation. Then I will listen to you. (Badagara) Mr. Speaker, Sir. will you ( Interruptions) listen to me for a minute? tlntcrruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please withdraw your MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat. insinuation, Then I will listen to you. I caDDot do like this. (Int errup !ions) STIRI K.P. UNNIKRISlrNAN: What is the insinuation. Allow me to explain. SHRI K P. UNNIKRISHNAN I am (Interruptions) sure you have not·* MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. You (Interruptions) have to first w~thdraw your insinuation MR. SPEAKER: Sir, please listen to then I will speak to you. me. for one minute. (/nf('rrilp!ionl) will SHRJ K.P. VNNIKRISHNAN: I am you please listen to me for a minute? trying to say that you have done an unprecedented thing. MR. SPEAKER : I am listening, Sir. MR. SPEAKER I have not done SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: \Vill anything wrong. 1"0 You cannot just you please listen to me ? browbeat me like this. Mr. Unnikrishnan.

MR. SPEAKER: I am list\!ning. SHRI KP. UNNIKR.ISHNAN : SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I am Because you have done it yourself; it has grateful to you for showing at least this never happened. courtesy·· MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. First you withdraw your insinuation and th~n MR. SPEAKER: What do you mean by that? talk. ( Inter ruptions', * SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. DEO : We mean what we say. ~1R. SPEAKER: First withdraw your insinua tion. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I will explain what I am meaning. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRlSHNAN: What is th~ insinuation 1 (Interruprionq THE. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MR. SPEAKER: 'You said that I have DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI GULAM NASI AZAD) : been showing all the discourtesy. I have ~Ot no, this is not correct (Imer"uprions) been showing aU the courtesy all the time. I am at your disposal. I am calling you SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I am my master. I am not going to be your

not going t j be cowed down by you. master. I am your servant.

MR. S.?EA KER: What do you mean SHRI K P. UNNIKRISHNAN: You are not my servant. Please do Dot s~y so. by this? You arc only a creature 0\ the Constitu- SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: You tion and the Rules of Procedure. You cannot be·· cannot violate that. That is my point.

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MR. SPEAKER: Yes, I will no~. I SHRI IC.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Even ·will be the last person to violate it. if I am wrong, you should not be wrong ... ( Interruptions) SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISI-INAN : I have great respect for you ... (Interruptions) SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. DEO: You are··... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER : First you withdraw your insinuation and then I will listen to MR. SPEAKER: Again he is saying. you. The hone Member is saying aaain I am going to name this gentleman. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: What (Interruptions) is the insinuat ion '1 SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD : He MR. SPEAKER: That is on the said that 'Mr. Speaker, you listen to me record. You said that I have been discour- unless you have·· How can he say that? teous to you. ( Interruptions) SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I was MR. SPEAKER: You are wrong, Sir, shocked and surprised when we got that perfect1y wrong and insinuating. First you behaviour from you. must apologise, then I will listen to you MR. SPEAKER: What behaviour you completely ... are referring to '1 Not at all. (Interruptions)·· (Interruptions) MR. SPEARER: . Nothing goes on record ... SHRI GHULAM NABI ArAO: First he should withdraw his words. (Interruptions)·· (Interrurt ions) MR. SPEAKER : Are you ready to withdraw your word ? MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed hiro. Untin and unless he withdraws h:s SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN; I am insinuation, I will not allow him. Do not sorry, Sir, I cannot comply with your record. request ... SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: He (Interruptions)*· should apologise before the House and the SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA Speaker. He cannot do like this ... (Bankura) Why should he withdraw, (Interruptions) Sir '1

MR. SPEAKER; You cannot always MR. SPEAKER: Because it is unparli- be censorious ... ( 1nterruptions) mentary, undignified ... (Interruptions)·· SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I am not going to withdraw. I am not going to THE MINISTER OF PARLIA- be cowed down ... (Interruptions) MENTARY AFFAIRS AND TOURISM (SHRI H.K.L BHAOAT) : I appeal to Shri 'SHRI GHULAMNABI AZAD : You Unnikrishnan, he is a very senior Member should apologise. and he should not have said such a thing. (Interruptians)** If he has said it, then why not express regret '1 He must. MR. SPEAKER: You first withdraw what you have said and then I will talk to SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : I have you. come bere with a complaint and be is duty-bound ... (Interruptions)·· SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: What 18 that you want me to wi thdraw? I have SHRI H.K,L. BHGAT: You cannot come here with a complaint ... (Interruptions) cast any direct or indirect reftection on the Chair.... MR. SPEAKER: You are wrong. (lnttrruptlons)·*

··Not recorded. ( . 273 AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) 274

You must apologise for that ... MR. SPEAKER: One minute. I have (Interruptions)·· to say something. SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: I am As a Speaker this is my sixth year. During the period I have been in the sorry, I cannot comply with your request. There is no justification or otherwise ... Office here I have tried to, carry on this duties and responsibilities and uphold the (Interruptions) esteem of this high office with whatever THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE capacity I have. I have always tried to carry (S. BUT A SINGH): Will you please the whole House with me irrspective of any have your seat now ~ Kindly listen to me. party affiliation whatsoever. I think I have I have been permitted by the Speaker. tried my best not to be the master of this Huuse, but always to be servant of this Sir, our House is not a new House. House. That is my dictum and that is There is already established pratice in this my goal. I know I have to do certain House for more than two decades, that the things as entrusted to me by rules and office of the Speaker reflects the collective regulations laid down by you, not by me. dignity and the wisdom of the House. It I am bound to carry out bose things and does not go with the person or the man they might be unsavoury things which are occupying the Chair. Therefore, you not likeable for some people. I have to represent the Parhament of India, here and do those things because you have entrusted elsewere, and when we conduct ourselves that task to me. A judge has to give a in the House, we have to observe certain deliberated judgment. He cannot make rules. And, Sir, you in your capacity as laws, he cannot amend laws. He has to the Speaker have some administrative do it according to what the law are given duties also in maint::l ining the Parliamentary to him and according to the rules given to complex, its offices and everything. him. It is you who change the rules~ it is No question so far, If my memory is right you who have made rules in the Rules has been admitted on the administration Committee or have evalved them in any of the Office of the Speaker in this House. other form or conventions and I have to act tInter,.uptions) on that. In the last one year I have been trying to do that for an amicable solution Therefore, if the hon. Member have among all the parties. I am not againt anything to speak on that, they have every any party. If they lose 'at the pools, that opportunity to come to YOll and make their is the bu siness of the people or the luck submissions. This is not the right of this they have. I cannot make them Members, House to discuss either through a question I cannot add to their numbers and I can- or through a discussion or througb any not detract from their numbe rs. Whosove intervention. come, they are my masters and that is how Secondly, I am sorry I have to com- I have treated them. For the Jast so many ment on Shri Unnikrishnan for his months-this is the 12th month now-I conduct today. He was not only partial, had this problem of offices and this and but he was also derogatory in his that. I have met them not once, but about language to YClur person as well as to twenty times. I have met leaders of all the high office of the Speaker. This the groups. Everybody wants it. But they cannot be allowed. Unless he withdraws have put some rules and I have to act his words and begs an apology from you, according to that. I cannot go out of we cannot allow this kind of a thing to go that. And if somebody does not like, I OD. It is one thing to raise a question, but would say tbis is not my doing. Sir. I am at the same time we have to establish heal.. not to blam e it people did not return you thy Parliamentary practices in this very If you had the number, I would have been House. Therefore, Shri Unnikrishnan obliged to give you that and it is ... should not stand on prestige and he must (Interruptions) withdraw the words which have been obje- MR SPEAKER : Please sit down. cted to by everyone. Unless he does that. .. please listen to me. (Interruptions ) (Interrupt ions)

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MR. SPEAKER: Please listen to me. MR. SPEAKER : If you don't withdraw (Interru,"Uons) what you have said regarding me in the House, then you please first withdraw from SHRI P. K. UNNIKRISHNAN: The the House. 'more you shout, the nlore I stand. (Interruptions SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN : Thank you very much. MR. SPEAKER: 1 did not mean any.. thing. 12.21 hrs. (lllterruptions) (SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN THEN SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. LEFT THE HOUSE) DEO : You are doing this when the elec- (lnferrltptions) tions are just a week away. MR. SPEAKER: Might be. (Shr; E Ayyapu Redly and some other hon. Afemb:..'rs then lefl the House). SHRI V. KlSHORE S. DEO : When the House is not fully constituted you cannot [Tran.'. !at ion] just go and lock up the room. You must SHRI V. TULSIRAM : You had given act within the rules. pernlission to discuss Kanamchedu Harijan (Iflierrupfions) case in Andhra P,-adesh under rule 193. Why do you not allow a discussion under MR SPEAKER: PleiSC listen, take rule 193 on the incident thlt has taken your seats. I do not mInd ~ven if you pldce in Uttar Prad'.!sh. That is why we win all the seats. How am I affected by are also walking out: that? There is n l problem with me. 21.22hrs. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: It is the method of your doing this. Please (Slzri r '. Tul.,'iram and !iom_' other hon Af'!m- t do not confuse. b:'rs t'lell J. it th • HOllSe). [Eng/i,h] MR. SPEAKER: The re is 'no confusing. I am only doing what has been entrusted SHRIVAKKOM PURUSHOTHAMAN to me. I think Mr. Unnikrishnan you have (Alleppy) : From Government side a motion been with me so many times regarding can be moved. this very thing and I have tried to solve this according to the rules but when the SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: You things come to a pass I have no option. should put this conduct of the Member of Parliament on record. I have t) do something. Without doing that thing, I cannot act Now .. I think I SHRI H.K L. BHAGAT : I wish to say bave shown to you throughout my career one th;ng. As you have rightly pointed out, as Speaker the highest regard and affection you acted under the rules. You tried your and respect. And if you do it like this on best for one year. Even in the last meeting the floor ot the House. 1 have nothing but Mr. Unnikrishnan was present; and you to adjure that. Now, you have to withdraw said that these a re the rules. I am sorry that word. that s')me of the other parties have walked (Interrupt ionS) out who have said 'act according to the

rules and give as accommodation' t They SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN There were allotted accommodation under the is nothing perSOi al. rules. They asked, in respect of those who (/nterrul'Jlioll~ ) are not entitled, why should they get it ? MR SPEAKER: Please listen Today they are also walking out. It is a to me. It is not used by me, but it has double attitude and I am su rprised. When been used by you. Either you withdraw t ules are enforced they walk out. your insinuation or wilhJ raw from the S. BUTA SINGH': Sir, today Mr. House; Unnikrishnan had not only defied the Chair SHRI K.P. UNN1KRJSHNAN: I regret but he has insulted the Chair. By tak- I cannot comply with your instructions. ing side with that kind of attitude in the 277 AGRAHA YANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Suspension of Member 278

Honse the opposition has displayed theis posi tion clear about the Opposition Parties. utter disregard for parliamentary democracy So far as parties in general are concerned in this country. there are many parties which only one (1 nte1 ruptions) Member. We, Independents are four ...... (Interruptions) [Translation] MR. SPEAKER: I want that everyone SHRI, BALWANT SINGH RAMOO.. should get a room. WALIA '(Sangrur): The hon. Minister, Sir, you should not blame the entire SHRIKALIPRASAD PANDEY: On opposition. this basis independent Members are also [Eng/i.)h] entitled to get a room ...... (Interruptions) S. BUT A SINGH : Only those sections which have walked out.

[Translation] 12.24. hrs SHRI BALW ANT SINGH RAMOO- SUSPENSION OF MEMBER WALIA: Mr. Speaker, Sir, we respect your office and Chair and I would request _Shri [Eng fish] Unnikrishnan to withdraw his words. You THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE should have taken those people in confi- DEPARTMENT OF P.ARLIAMENTARY dence whose rooms were to be vacated. If AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULA~1 NABI some misundel standing has arisen ...... AZAD): Mr. Speaker, Sir, with your (lnterrupti,ln.l) permission I beg to move : MR. SPEAKER: Not once, but scores "That Shri K.P. Unnikrishnan t a of time I have asked them to decide the Member of the House, be suspended matter between themselves. We have no from the service rf the HOU5e for objection if an agrcemen t is reached bet- today on account of his insulting weet them about the distribution of the conduct towards the Chair." rooms. I have a limited number of roon1S. (Interruptions) We do not allot room to a party which has less than 10 Members. SHRI BALWANT SINGH [English] RAMOOWALIA '(Sangrur): No, Sir, It should not be done. I t should be made very clear. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA [Translation] (Bankura): Mr. Unnikrishnan should be I told them that in such a situation I given an opportunity to explain. We will will have to ailot rooms to Akali Dal, oppose it and walk-out again. Muslim League, Nation~l Conference, Revolutionary Socialist Party, Forward MR. SPEAKER: No discussion please. Block also. There are 5 to 6 parties which SIIRl AMAL DUTrA (Diamond have 5 to 6 Mt:mbers each. 1 cannot allot Harbour) : If they insist we will walk-out. rooms to all of them. If I had rooms, I would have allotted rooms to all of them. MR. SPEAKER: You are the person CPM Members and SIlri Kolandaivelu came who has asked me, "Please enforce the to me and asked me to apply the law uni- roles" formly to all the parties. I have requested [Translation] not once but scores of time. I was left with no other alternative. Other party members At least you should cooperate with me. ask me as to why I do not lock the rooms ... [English] (Interruptions) SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA (Ponnani): SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY You asked Mr. U nnikrishnan to withdraw (Gopalganj): One point of Order Sir ...... from the House and he withdrew. He (Interruptions) ...... So far as any Party is respected your orders and withdrew from concerned, Shri Bhagat has made the the House. Why s bo uld be be punished 1 I ;279 Papers Laid DECEMBER. 10,1'85 Papers Laid 280

[Translation] India dated the 13th July, 1985 together with a corrigend um thereto publihsed in MR. SPEAKER In case be had Notification No. O.S.R. 1046 in Gazette of withdrawn from the House at my India dated the 9th November. 1985 under instance ... sub-section (3) of section 642 of the [English] Companies Act, 1956. [Placed in Library. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY; He has See No. LT-1553 85] withdrawn from the House at your request. Reviews on the working of and Annunal Report Why is he moving this motion ~ of the Madr.IS Refineries Ltd., Madras for 1981.84 and Lubrizol India Ltd, Bombay (Interruptions) for 1984-R5 and statement correcting reply to Starred Question No. 36 dt. 19-11-1985. SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: He should maintain the dignity of the House. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE It is an insult of the Chair. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE KISHORE SHARMA): I beg to lay on (S. BUT A SINGH): What about the remarks the Table- that he made in the House? They should go. (Interruptions) (1) A copy each of the foil owing MR. SPEAKER : The question is : papers (Hindi and English versions) under sub-section (1) of section "That Shri K.P. Unoikrishnan. a 619A of the Companies Act, Member of the Hou~c, be suspended 1956 :- from the service of the House for today on account of his insulting (a) (i) Review by the Governmen t on conduct towards the Chair." the working of the Madras Refineries Limited, Madras, for The malian was ado pled. the year 1984-85. We SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (ii) Annual Report of the Madras are walking out in protest. Refineries Limi ted, Madras, for the year 1984-85 along with (Inlerruptions) Audited Accounts and the comments of the Comptroller 12.26. brs At Ihis stage, Shri Basudeb ~Acharia and and Auditor General thereon. some other Han. Members left the House. [Placed in Library. See ~Vo. LT-1574/85] S. BUT A SINGH: The remarks made by Shri K.P. U nnikrishnan must be (b) (i) Review by the Government on expunged from the proceedings. the working of the Lubrizol India Limi ted, Bombay, for the (Interruptions) year 1984-85.

(ti) Annual Report of the Lubrizol India Limited, Bombay, for the PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE year 1984-85 along with Audited Accounts and the comments of [English) the Comptroller and Auditor Notifications Under Companies Act 1956 General thereon. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE [Placed in Library. See No. LT-1575/85] DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND PETRO.CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. (2) A Statement (Hindi and English JAICHANDRA SINGH): Sir, on behalf versions) correcting the reply given of Shri N.D. Tiwari, I beg to lay on the 19th November, 1985 to on the Table a copy of the Cost Starred Question No. 36 by Accounting Records (Bearings) Rules, 1985 Sarvashri Mahendra Singh and (Hindi and English versions) published in Yashwantrao Gadakh Patil about Notification No. G.S.R. 664 in Gazette of assessment by the Oi 1 and Natural 28J Papers Laid AGRAHA YANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) University Grants Com. 282 (Arndt.) Bill Gas Commission regarding oiJ pro- (2) A copy each of the following papers duction in Seventh Pian. (Hindi and English versions) under [Placed in Library. See No LT-1576/85] sub-section (1) of section ,619A of the Companies Act, 1956 :-

" One hundred Eleventh Report, One Hun dred (i) A statement regarding Review Twelfth Report and onE' Hundred Thirteenth by the Government on the Report of Law Commission. working of the Scooters India THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Limited, Lucknow, for the year MINISTERY OF LAW AND JUSTICE 1984-851. (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ) : I beg to lay (ii) Annual Repo rt of the Scooters on the Table- India Limited, Lucknow, for the year 1984-85 along with (1) A copy of the One Hundred and Audited Accounts and the Eleventh Report (Hindi and English commen ts of the Comptro Her versions) of Commission on Law and Auditor General thereon. the Fatal Accidents Act, 1855. [Placed in Library. See No LT -1581 /85] [Placed in Library. See No. LT-1577/85]

(2) A copy of the One Hundred and Twelfth Report (Hindi and English versions) of Law Commission on Section 45 of the Insurance Act, 12.27. brs. 1938. MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA (Placed in Library. See 1"10. LT-1578/85] [English] (3) A copy of the One Hundred and Thirteenth Report (Hindi and SECRETARY-GENERAL: Sir, I have English versions) on 'Injuries in to report the following message received Police Custody,-Suggested section from the Secretary-General of Rajya 114B, Evidence Act. Sabha :-

(Placed in Library. S~)l' So LT-1579/85] "In accordance with the provisions of rule III of the Rules of Procedure Notifications under Monopol ies and Restri- and Conduct 0 f Business in the Rajya ctive Trade Practice~ Act 1969, Re\'iew on Sabha, I am directed to enclose a the working of and Annual Report of copy of the University Grants Com- Scooters India Ltd. Lucknow for 1984.85 mission (Amendment) Bill, 1985, which has been passed by the Rajya Sabha THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE at its sitting held on the 9th DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND December, 1985." PETRO·CHEMICALS (SHRI R.K. JAICHANDRA SINGH): On behalf of Shri M. Arunacha)m, I beg to Jay on the Table- (1) A copy of the Monopolies and [English) Restrictive Trade Practices (Amend- ment) Rules, 1985 (Hindi and UNIVERSITY GRANTS COMMISSION English versions) published in (AMENDMENT) BILL AS PASSED BY Notification No. G.S.R. 805 (E) in RAJYA SABHA Gazette of India dated the 17th October. 1985 under sub·section (3) SECRETARY GENERAL: Sir, I lay of section 67 the Monopolies and on the Table the University Grants Com- Restrictive Trade Practices Act, mission (Amendment) Bill., 1985, as passed 1969. by the Rajya Sabha. (P.'aced in Llbrar}'. See No. LT· -1580/85) 283 DECEMBER 10. 1995 Calling A ft~nlion 284

12.28. brs. 3. Based on a socio-economic survey, CALLING ATTENTION TO the State Government has estimated that MA ITER OF URGENT PUBLIC about 25,000 families require to the IMPORTANCE rehabilitated. The rehabilitation measures initiated so far include providing financial {Translation] assistance for special training and employ- Delay in rehabilitating and proyi~ing ment programme for the urban poor for adequate compensat,on to the \'Icbms self-employment, construction of 50 work- of gas tragedy in Bhopal sheds for providing training as well as SHRI K.N. PRADHAN (Bhopal) employment in skills like, tailoring, em- Mr. Speaker, Sir, I call the. attention of the broidery bamboo and cane work. Minister of Industry towards the following 4. Three integrated child programme matter of urgent pub lic importance schemes have been taken up and are being and request that he may make a statement executed through 633 anganwadis. These thereon: cater to the health care, including immuni- "Delay in rehabilitating and providing zation and providing of supplementary adequate compensatil"'D to the victims nutrition for pregnant and lactating of gas tragedy in Bhopal even after mothers and children upto the age of 6 lapse of one year and the action taken years. by the Government to speed up the relief work. ,,--- 5. Steps have also been initiated for improving the living conditions in the gas 12.29. brs affected slum areas by providing civic (MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair) amenities like, water supply, drainage, pay- ing of stipends etc. [English) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 6. The Central Government has so far DEPARTMENT OF CHEtvfICALS AND provided Rs. 20 cr0res as ways and means PETRO-CHE~1ICALS (SHRI R. K. ad vance and Rs. 20 crores as medium JAICHANDRA SINGH) : term loan to the State Government for providing relief and rehabilitation. The 1. The Government of Madhya Pradesh Central Government is also making vigorous took im~ediate steps fo~lowing the gas efforts in expediting the settlement of all leakage disaster to provide r !lief to the the claims of the victims of the Bhopal gas victims of the disater. This included giving disaster. It may be recal1ed that the Bho- ex-gratia relief of Rs. 10.000. to the next pal Gas Leak Disaster (Processing of of the kin of the dead persons and Claims) Act, 1985, was enacted to confer Rs. 1500 to the affected families having certain powers on the Central Government income of Rs. 500 or less. The ex-gratia to secure that claims arising out of or amounts have already been disbursed in connected with the Bhopal gas leak djsaster most of the cases. Ex-gratia financial assis- are dealt with sc:eedily, effectively, equi- tance was also provided to live-stock tably and to the best ad vantage of the owners, whose animals died in the tragedy. claimants. A complaint has been filed in Free food-grains were distributed to the the United States Federal District Court, families with income of less than Rs. 1000 Southern District, Nev.' York against Union per month. Carbide Corporation claiming, inter alia, compensatory and punitive damages. This 2. For pIoviding special medical care to case is being followed up vigorously. the victims, apart from auglnenting the existing facilities, new medical facilities 7. It would, therefore, be evident that were created in the affected areas which was no effort is being spared for providing treated as a separate medical administrative relief to the victims. The State Govern- unit. This included setting up of new 60 ment has been requested to expedite com- bedded ward in the Hamidia hospital, a pletion of disbursal of all ex-gratia relief. new 3O-bedded hospital in the affected area Appropriate schemes for rehabilitation have as well as several clinics and dispensaries also been taken up by the State Govern- in the affected areas. Daily approximately ment, implementation of which is also being 3000 persons are visiting these hospitals. speeded up. Further, effective steps have Ca!lIn~ Attention AGRAfTAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Calling Attention 286

been taken to enable the victims to obtain Everybody knows it well that one factor compensation expeditiously. to be counted in the matter of payment of compensation would be as to what extentthe [Translation] gas was poisonous Everybody is also aware of the fact that they have raised a contro- SHRI K.N. PRADHAN: Mr. Deputy very inorder to hush up this matter. Certain- Speaker, Sir, the severity of the gas tragedy officershave issued instructions to all the hos- in Bhoal is known to everyone and it is pitals not to administer Thiosulphate injec- also known how three to four lakh people tions.In the report submitted to Government ran for their Jives in that terribly cold recently and in the statement made by Mr. night, Subsequently, when ·Operation Sathe in Rajya Sabha yesterday, it has been Faith' was launched. remaining gas in the stated that cynate has not betn found as factory was neutralised. Around 6 lakh per the reports made available so far. You peopJe fled frotn Bhopal. I think it has no can see hundreds of post mortem reports parallel in the history of the world. made by Dr. Harish Chandra. There was cynate in The gas was poisonous. All In official records the officers may go on it. these things are bdng done simply for the saying whatever they Hke but the fact is reaS0n that the Unbn CJrbide may have to that even today 3 to 4 persons die every pay less compensation. (would like to draw month after that tragedy, but these deaths your attention towards what I had stated are not included in their records. The in the meetting of the Gas Committee there. Government offici3:1s had collected the An ex-I.G. bad been the incharge of the figure of 1,754 in the very beginning. Many security arrangements of the Union Carbide. applications are pending and names of the He is the Chairman of the Red Cross Soci- people who died after December have not ety there of which the Governor of the State been included, but it is definite that more is perhaps the patron. He refused to .attend than 2,500 persons have died and more than the meeting because wrong thingswl!re ta~ing 3,50,000 people have been affected. Even ph:ce and the Red C: oss Society was fun- today there are more than 25,000 peo~le ctionbg in a wrong manner. The Governor who are seriously ill. In additon to thiS, did not attend the meeting. He refused there are 3,000 persons who became all to attend the meeting. That Red Cross right or in the beginning they felt that they Society, with the working anJ functioning had not been afT~cted by the gas but they of which the Head of the State is n t have fallen seriously sick now. Simiarly, at satisfied, has b?en entrusted the job of least there are ITIOre then 5,000 people ru~ning as many as 3 dispensaries. I do whose efficiency of work is gradually going not intend to m,:k~ any insinuation, but down and they have become incapable of he has definite Iin:-:s with the Union Car- doing any work. Similarly, there are 5.000 bide as one of his brothers was Director, persons whose resistance power of the b~dy Medical Heal th The doctors of women is gradually dwindling and they are headmg hospitals wer~ given ins!ructions not to towards a slow deah. Similarly, at least note down the M. as cause of death at 1 000 pregnant woman ha ve . b.!en affec:-ed ~ I.e. the time of operations to take out the dead V:hereas our officers have stated shamelessly children of pregnant women. I would like that the pregnant woman have not been to say that old records pertaining to the affected at all; many dead and deformed last 3 years of that hospital may be inspec- children have been born. Many women ted. If the number of such cases is found developed complications at later stages and to be more than the previous years' number they developed convulsions. Many women you should accept those to be the cases had to be operated upon and their uterus caused by ill effects of the gas and if the had to be removed. You are aware that number is less, the matter ends there. the Uoion Carbide is to pay compensation, Efforts were made to show the minimum but its Chairman and lawyers are unabas- number of such cases. hedly making inhuman statemen ts. They had already created a lobby in th is count!y Similarly. the greatest fact"··, which particularly in Madhya Pc adesn and eve~ would prove helpful in gettif'g comp..!nsation. today they have such a lobby, and thelr rather more compensltioD, is to identify mercenaries 81 e present in and out of the the areas upto wb ich gas h:td gone and left country. its impact. · 287 Calli", Attention DeCEMBER. tOt 1985 Calling Attention 288

Sir, in the first meeting, when Shri great sympathy and sanctioned a sum of Arjun Singh was the Chief Minister, I had Rs. 40 crores for the victimes. proved it with facts and figures that the gas had actually reached such and such place. Our Chief Minister. Shri Vora is also Still it is a matter of great shame taking keen interest in this matter. He that the officers surveyed only eleven wards. realises the sufferings of the people wher .. The people, who had visited Bhopal, might ever he goes. But I would like to submit be aware that there are a n umber of that an inquiry should be made about industries on the other side of Hamidia officers' lobby. It has been said that Road. They had stated that gas impact had arrangements for payment of compensation been felt there and they went should be made as early as possible. I on working silently. We have would like to teU you that this incident not been informed as to how much area took place' in December, but cases for they have treated as affected area. When compensation were initiate(j from 31st July hue and cry was raised in each meeting only. At that time it was decided that all during the last 8 months continuously, then the forms should reach De lhi within a they quietly decided that there are 30 wards. period of 4 months and work should be It was decided at our instance and even completed by 20th November. But after then they kept 30 wards as fully affected a period of 31 months. i.e., upto 14-1Sth areas and remaining 6 wards at SO per cent November, even an lAS officer of the affected areas. office of the Claims Commissioner, appoint.. ed in this regard, was not able to make an assessment as to how many persons are Sir, when the matter regard ing setting required to do this job and how many up of the committee arose, they said 10 to persons have actually started working. They 20 days in advance that a letter would be used to work from 8.00 a.m, to 12 O'Clock sent, but they did not send any letter but no sanction was issued to make payment about the number of wards whi:h had been or incur ex.penditure. A total of 32,000 affected. Sir, they were told abeut it and forms were filled up upto 14-15th November. this House can imagine as to how many When I told the Chief Minister that these wards might have been affect~d thereby. officers will bring a bad name to our In one of the ward~. the Chief Minister, country in the entire world. What the Shri Arjun Singh has his residence and Shri world would say if only 40,000 forms would Arjun Singh himself admitted that his eyes be sent there? The world would say that felt the impact of gas. There are kachcha we had given the figures of affected people huts in that ward also where poor people as 3.5 lakhs ~hereas the number of forms live. Gas had left more impact on them. filled up for compensation is very less. but it is a different matter. Those officers At this he called the officers and gave did not include even that ward. Does it instructions to them. After IS-16th Novem .. not prove that they are dishonest? They ber camps were set up in each ward and did not include the ward where Raj Bhavan forms were got filled up hurriedly. is located and where Governor and his staff and other officers reside. The staff Sir. I would like to get certain things there say that the gas had affected their eyes. darfied by the hone Minister, We want They also did no1. include the ward in that the entire area affected by gas should which I live. My wife is ill even today. be included. You should call for the pro- Sir, this is the situation in this respect. ceedings of that fileeting. A meeting took place in the month of November last. It So far as Government is concerned, it was admitted in that meeting of the is true and people of Bhopal are aware of Committee that 36 wards were fully atfected. this fact that Shri Rajiv Gandhi was the first They have given a report about 21 wards. person in the country to reach there and This report is !also wrong. Sir, the entire they are grateful that first of al1 the Prime area should be surveyed. Similarly. in Minister, Sh ri Raj iv Gandhi consoled them. the form of distress relief an amount of No leader of any other party reacbed there. Rs. 10,000 is being given to the depen.. The people of Bhopal arrievd at the con- dents of those who had died and an clusion that they would definitely be able amount of RI. 1,500 is being given to to face this calamity successfully. He showed those whose family's income is below 289 Catlin, Atlention AGRAHAYANA 19, J907 (SAKA) Calling Attention 290

Rs. 500. I have told the officers and I The licence and registration of an would like to tell you also that there will Environmental Institution of Union Carbide not be more than 200-400 families in the located tit Shyamala Jiills has expired ill whole of Bhopal City whose income is the mcnth cf Man,h, but it is still function-- below Rs. 5.00. Out of 70,000 families ing regularly there. Dc es Governmental 35,000 families had made false dec1arations. intend to take action against it? What are Even '. millionaires have made such false the details of the scheme for environment declarations and shown their income very improvement and public health? After less. Their income is much more, but they getting treatment and being cured the have been paid the compensation. There people will revert back to the places full will be only 200-400 families out of them of dirt and filth an d become ill again. The whcse income will be less than Rs. 500. Government or Madhya Pradesh have Rest are those whose income is more than formulated a scheme worth crores of rupees Rs. 500 and they have been given an under which programmes like construction amount of Rs. 1,500 in the form of of drains, provision of electricity and water distress relief. But there are, 20.000 or and raising the living standard of peopl. 25,000 honest persons belongiDg to Class have been included. But tbe Madhya III and Class IV category whose income is Pradesh Governmen t is not in a position hardly Rs. 600·700. Why have they not to incur so much expenditure. Would the been given this amount of Rs. 1500 in the Central Government be kind enough to form of distress relief? Therefore, I submit bear the· entire expenditure of this that in all honesty, a decision should be scheme? taken that all the affected persons should be paid the compensation. SHRI JAI PRAKASH AGAR.WAL Similarly, an enquiry should be made (Cbandni Chowk): Mr. Deputy Speaker, by appointing an officer to collect the Sir, as our bon. Minister has said in his information about the persons who had statement tbat a sum of Rs. 10J)()O/- has died after December. It should be stated been paid to the family of e\'ery desceased as to whether they would be included into it person. This amount of Rs. 10,000/- each or not. Whether the children, \\ho have died, has been paid to approximately 1,300 would be included or not. They shOuld famiHes, but out of them there are apprOA- also be included into it. imately 400 or 500 such families which have received ,this amount in the fake names. Similarly, the employees-whether they Also, about 40 per cent of affected familiea are Central Government emyloyees or State with an income of les.) than Rs. 500/- have Government employees or other employees- received the amount of Rs. 1,500/- each. are not yet in a position to resume duty This number is not more than that. For and they have exhausted their leave. Is it receiving the payment of even this money. not the moral duty of Government to they had to I JD from pillar to post. sanction special leave t) them, no rna t ter Despite that there are still a number of whether they are the Cen tral Governn1en t families which have 110t yet received that employees or bank employees or employees payment. You can understand the diffi- of Postal Department or Railway eluployees culties of those people. How could a poor or employees of Life Insurance Corpora- man t who does not have even food to eat.. tion or employees of State Government? spend a full year knocking at the dOir of authorities to get a payment of Rs, 1,st')()/-. Thirdly. there are some persons, who I would like to tell you that even a minor are still suffering and there are no arrange- compensation or help which was to be given ments for their treatment in Bhopal and to them, has not reached them. On the they are required to be sent to Delhi or other hand, we should have taken some Bombay or some foreign country for treat- major steps, so that people could have lot ment. Will Government decide to bear the employment, their children could have expenditure to be incurred on their treat- received proper treatment, they could have ment abroad. been provided nutritious food and clothes, Similarly. do you - propose to give but the result has been the reverse. If you pension to those persons, who have lost ask for a report from that area even today. WOQld find that the small chil\lren ba'l~ their work ins capability? you 291 Calling Attention DECEMBER 10, 198~ Calling Attention 292

[Shri Jui Praksb Agarwal] tional arrangements have been made in the hospitals and it has also been said that lost their memory. They go to ,school, but hospitals with thirty beds would also be they forget their 'lessons. They are not built in the affected areas. The Govern- receiving even the treatment for the adverse ment has made the arrangemen t of doctors effect which the gas has put over them. at other places also, where small sheds are There are nearly ten thousand such fam Hies available. Keeping in view the large number which have not been paid any compensa- of people who have been affected and the tion. Their sole earning members !:lave severe effect which the gas tragedy has died and they do not have any source of caused in various parts of the State, I think income to make both ends meet. It was that there is need to make arrangements said that they would be paJd a loan of for nledical treatment and special care of Rs. 12,000/-. You would be surprised to nearly ten thousand families. I would like know that only 250 persons have received to urge the Central Government, Deparl- tbis loan. They have left pursuing the ment of Health as also the Minister of banks because they did not receive any State for Petroleum, Chemicals and Industry respo~se from them. Old and ~xpir~d to look into this matter, because he is fully med;cines were given to them, whIch dld aware of the problem. All of you have Dot have any effect. For the treatmcnt of made an on the spot study in Bhopal and tbe diseases caused by the gas, no proper also met the affected people. You can, mediciaes were given to them. Only anti- therefore, well imagine the seriousness of biotics and pain-k illers were given. Many the situation as also the difficulties in which such medicines were given which were the people are living there. There is need manufactured two years back and their date to make the maximum medical facilites and of expiry had already passed. I would like other facilities available to them fro them to ask, the hon. Minister the number of Centre so that there could be proper care families which have been provided with of them for the next five or ten years. permanent source of income or employment as also the steps taken in this regard. Secondly, the youth leader and Hon. PRAThP BRANU SHARMA SHRI Prime Minis ter of our coun try Shri Rajiv ~he (Vidisha) : Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir, Gandhi has said that top priority would be Cal1~ng reply of the hone Minister to the given to their rehabilitatio.n programme. The Attention Notice mewed by us regardmg first national leader who had visited the Bhopal gas tragedy clearly states that the gas affected area last year was Shri Rajiv programmes and schemes undertaken by Gandhi. He went there, met the people the Central Government, after the n10st and he himsel f made an on the ~pot grievous, gas tragedy of the world, have inspection of the medical facilites being shown satisfactory results in regard to the made ava ibble to the people. We want rehabilitation of the affected peopJe within that rehabilitation programme shouJd be only a period of one year after the grim given top priority according to his wishes, tragedy. Just now, my predecessor Shri under which affected families should be Pradhan has told that the most serious given financial help and the families wh ich tragedy in the industrial sector occurred have suffered loss of life or whose bread- almost a year back in Bhopal affecting earners have been affected, they should be nearly three lakh o:r three and a half lakhs given training and means of livelihood people and 25,000 to 35,000 families have should be made avai1abl~ to them again been very badly affected. One or the other by providing tbem the facility of member of these families has been lost finance from Nationalised Banks. and some or the other member has become infirm. It is, ,therefore,' very necessary that we make a long term scheme for their Though the Government has sanctioned treatment and maintenance so that they them the grant-in-aid of Rs. 1,500/- each could be provided the medicines by the and about 25,000 families have been paid Government in time and an improvement this amount, yet the paymen t of lump could be brought about in their health. sum amount will not solve their problem. Complete arrangements should be made for The sewing centres or other training cen tres them in the hospitals so that they could' have been opened and training sheds are be looked after well there. Though addi- being constructed to provide trainins to 293 Calling Allelll/on AGRAHA YANA J9, 1901 (SAKA) Calling Attention 294

the people in electrical jobs and other small 13.00 brs. and cottage indust ries, but this measure His statement is condemnable and should be given a modern touch and nc..v shameful. That company which could be projects should be set . up in Bhopal and said to be the broker of death did not pro- other neighbouring areas so that 10,000 vide any relief or facility to the victims. badly affected people could be given train- The Chief Lawyer of the company, Bud ing and attracted to start new ventures, Holman had said : because these people cannot do any heavy job. These persons should be provided "It depends upon the Government of jobs in their own houses. This is a long India to adopt a reconciliation oriented term need and it is not a matter of one attitude. The ball is in their court." year or two years. In addition to sewing Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir; it has been centres, there are many otber works which further said in the newspaper. could be started there by the Ministry of Industry in collaboration with Banks. Our "Holman has warned that if legal pro- Central Electronics Department or Tele- ceedings are kept continuing against communication Department can set up Carbide, then Carbide would demand projects there in which form thousand or that all the 1,03,000 victims should be five thousand people could be provided the brought to Washington and presented -means of livelihood. in the Court there."

I would also like to draw the attention Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would of the hone Minister that you have referred requeat the House to mark the ridiculous- to the financial help being made available ness of the statements issued by the Chair- to 25,000 families and nearly 5,000 families man of the Company and its Chief Legal have already been surveyed. For them Counsel. I would, also submit that the there is urgent need to provide financial Central Government and the State Govern- help and means of livelihood. According ment should take most stringent action to my information, out of cases of 5,000 against such company and if need be, all families which have been sent to the Banks, their units shOUld be nationalised without cases of hardly 1,000 or 1,500 families have any furth~er delay. Most serious industrial been cleared. Therefore, special attent ion tragedy of the world has occurred due to needs to be paid in this regard with the negligence of this company, but this com. help of hone Finance Minister. After the pany did not send any help for the victims. survey, all the families which have been nor the doctors and specialists to treat the selected for Bank loans or the persons who patients. Therefore, this company should are required to be provided loans with a be condemned in the strongest terms. ·view to provide them means of livelihood, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in the end. should be sanctioned full amount of loan I would like to ask the hone Minister without any delay and State Government whether a stringent attitude would be should undertake this work on priority adopted against the multi-national com- basis. panies und~r the proposed new Industrial policy and, as our Prime Minister has said, In the end, I would like to draw your whether in future muiti-l)ational companies attention towards die most important would be allowed to establish new units in point. Union Carb ide is multi-national the country only after keeping in view the company, which has about 700 Units in environmental safeguards, indigenous tech- various countries throughout the world. niques and engineering requirements. I We should pay our attention towards the would also I ike to know as to what new attitude of that company also as to in what pol icy i3 being adopted to have a check irresponsible manner the Chairman of that on the setting up of new industries accord-· company, Shri Anderson issues his statement. ing to the industrial policy so that there Sometimes, he says that he has to enter could be a control of Governm~nt . of into agreement with Government of an India on multi-national companies. India and sometimes he says that the affected people would have to apf'ear in Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Government the Court of U.S.A. at Washington to want that the environment in the country. receive the compensation. should be pollution fr". We h~v~ +1-...... - Calling Attention DECEMBER 10~ 1985 Calli", Attnrtfon 296

(Shri Pratap Bhanu Sharma] relief work. that has been done and the rehabilitation programmes that the G~vern· .fore, to ensure to avoid the accidents like of Madhya Pradesh has taken up and is the one which occurred in pel hi due to going to take up. Few points have been leakage of oleum gas as also to keep the mentioned by the hon. Members, where- factories of such companies away from dense ver necessary for me to point' out any cases population. I would be grateful to the of discrepancies in figures etc., I will try hon. Minister if he could kindly ten us the my best to bring it to the notice of the p -liey Government propose to adopt in House and through you Sir to the h -no regard to setting up of industries in future Members • .with tbis end in view. Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, I am obliged The persons who have died and have to you for giving me an opportunity to been identified so far on roll is 1754. speak. In the end I would request the hon. Though we have bad reports that there are further inflated figures, but this is being Minister to give top priority to provide relief to the people who have suffered in the examined by the State Government, whether or not these ditional people have been Bhopal gas tragedy by establishing rapport ad died as a result of the gas tragedy. So the and coordination with administrative fact that this number is kept on changing 'oepartments. over the Jast few months, clearly shows that MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Amal people wh 0 died as a resuh of gas tragedy Datta. and who did not have the opportunity to report, the next of kin are coming in and (Shri Ama) Datta-Absent) the examination is st ill in the process. 'Out SHRI K.N PRADHAN: Mr. Deputy of these 1754, we have been able to dis- Speaker Sir, Shri Amal Datta and two burse the ex-gratia payments of '10,000 otbers are not present and, therefore, I rupees to 1409 so 'far. Of the remaining may be given some time to speak on this 300 and odd, unfortunately~ so far, no one report .••... (lnferruptioIiJ ) has either come forward to take the responsibility or to own up that they are SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA: the next of kin. In my visit to Bhopal Mr. Depnty Speaker, Sir if that is so let which is rightly mentioned by one of the me continue for five minutes more ...... hon. Members, I did make an impression (lnterrup tions) to the Chief Minister that he should make SHRl K.N. PRADHAN : Mr. Deputy all endeavours and he should put all endea- Speaker Sir, the report makes a mention vours to inform the neighbouring districts of oniy those people who have been treated not only in Bhopal and in and around, but in Bhopal. What about Sehore. Ashta ...... even the neighbouring States so that (lnterrurtio' s) copies of the photographs of the dead p.:!fsons could be sent to the Police Stations SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA: and id~ntjficatjon can be bad from the The areas which are near Bhopal ...... Officers incharge of the Police Stations. In (Interruptions) October, when I visited Bhopal I had a (MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Not report that the Chief Minister is taking recoiled.] action in this regard. For the injured persons the ex-gratia payment is Rs. 1 500. [English) It is not true that the progress is very slow. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE When I visited Bhopal, I remember the DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICALS AND target expected by the end of November PETRO-CHEMICALS (SHRI R. K. was 14,000. As a result of the step up JAICHANDRA SINGH): Mr. Deputy measures being taken up by the Statt; Spraker, Sir, much has been said about the Government, this figure has now reached Bbop;,1 Gas Tragedy, not oniy on the floor 27,000. So ex-gratia payments of Rs. 1,500 of this House but in various other forums have been made in respect of 27,000 people as wen that this is the worst gas leak out of the so far identified 39,000. Again disaster in the whole industrial history. I I crave the indulgence of this House that have given a statement which comprehen- this figure again keeps on going up. It was . Aivelv Rives the parameters of tbe PledicaJ 31,000 which was identified some time in 297 Calling A Iten/ioff AGRAHAYANA 19,1;07 (SAKA) Calling Alle.ion

.November, again it bas gone upto 39,000. House, and the other House also, that we But the State Government is doing reaSOD- are not going to compromise on anythiua. ably good work. They have stepped up May be, Mr. Anderson is in a desperate this work. And I agree with many of the state. He has got the liberty, viz. to make people that this ex-gratia payment to whom a statement. Probably he is taking advant- 1> it should be given are waiting for one year age of it. As far as Government of India but they have not been given. This is not is concerned, \\e are not going to com· a compensation, but it is only an ex-gratia promise on this issue at all. payment. As far as the compensation is concerned, the case as you know is before As for medical treatment, we have the United States Distrtct Court in New taken care of it. I have mentioned in my York. This is the claims compensation statement that nearly 3,000 people arc casco The payment which we are making visiting the hospitals every day, to have a is just an ex-gratia payment. The moment check up. The question of providing addi- the claims case is settled, then the quesstion tional medical facilities has been taken up of compensation will arise. The hone by the State Government. We have con- Member Mr; Pradhan has mentioned that verted one of the clinics into a 30. bedded only 11 wards were initially taken into hospital. We are also in the process of consideration which later on increased to 20. constructing a lOO-bedded hospital; in fact. Sir, I may inform the hon. Member the construction has already started. I through you that 30 wards have been visited the area. That hospital is coming included as affected areas which takes into up. Work is in progress, and we have account roughly half or a Ii ttle more than every hope that by March 1986, the hOSpital half of the entire Bhopal. Thirty wards- will be completed. Some of the sophisti- Municipal wards have been taken in as the cated instruments which are necessary for affected areas. treating the affected people are being procured. One other important matter Then another point, which was raised raised was about researcb and dev~lopment was the income limit of 500 rupees. Sir. work by the Union Carbide. Yesterday, the State Government have had to put some in the other House a question came up on 'limit and they have taken as Rs. 500. We this. This Rand D Centre is not situated know various cases, as p.ointed out by in the Union Carbide complex, near the some of the hon. Members, there may be plant itself. This is situated about 8 to 9 own genuine cases in this. And one of Kms. away from it. The recognition of the reasons for delay in executing this the Centre expired sometime in March 1985• programme is because of the non genuine and the Government of India has not claims put in by the various people. The reno wed the recognition. The fact that Chief Minister has taken keen interest. this has not been renewed, shows that they cannot get support to go ahead with The hon. Member Mr. Pradhan himself the research activities, for which they had stated. I have also seen the rehabilitation sought it. works being taken up, by way of setting up 63 Anganwadis under three ICDS I think I have made a serious. attempt projects and 50 work sheds, to train various to answer some of the important question. people. In the last category, 15 have raised by hone Members. Thank you. already been constructed and 12 are under construction. The rest are going to be [Translation] completed within the next month or- two. SHRI K.N. PRADHAN: Mr. Deputy I have visited the place, and seen that Speaker, Sir, my questions have not been those affected people are being given skilful replied to. 36 wards had been selected training. The State Government is finding but their number has deliberately been out how best these trained people can be reduced by the officers. The Arjun Singh given employment. Government had agreed to it. The then The hone Member Mr. Sharma has Chief Minister had himself asked me to spoken about the case in the USA, and give in writing about it. These wards the statement made by Mr. Anderson. We include even that ward in which Shri Arjun have stated many a time on the floor of this Singh and the Governor reside. Why were ~tal1ing Attention DECEMBER 10, 1985 Business Advisory Committee 300

~ ·[Sbrl K. N. Pradban] SHRI R. K. lAICHANDRA SINGH: they left out? They too should be included I can pass on this information to the State in it. Government. (Translation] Secondly. do you propose to sanction . special leave to those employees· who are SHRI K.N. PRADHAN: The Union " sick and unable to work and who have Carbide has corrupted many leaders and already exhausted all their leave? officers and distributed crores of rupees among them eariler also and they continue Thirdly, will the Government pL'ovide to do even today. Therefore, there has not best medical care and bear all the expenses been substantial progress in relief oper- on treatment of those people-whether -they are employees or not-whose cases are ations... (Interruptions) becoming complicated and they need to be [English] sent to Delhi, Bombay or abroad for medical trea tmen t ? MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: He wants to know what can you do about it. Besidef, do the Government propose to sanction pension to those who have been SHRI R. K. JAICHANDRA SINGH: rendered unfit to do any job ? I can pass on this information to the State Government. [English] SHRI R. K.. JAICHANDRA SINGH·: Regarding special leave, all that we can . do is to take care of it under the provi· 13.16 hrs . sions. About the area, even persons living PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE beyond 30 wards affected area, they are coming to the hospital and are having a Seventeenth Report medical eumination. Regarding the [English] question of people Jiving in other areas, we cannot identify the whole of Bhopal as SHRI RAJ MANGAL PANDE affected area. So, they have limited certain (Deoria) : I beg to present the Seventeenth areas which I mentioned as 30 wards. There Report (Hindi and English versions) of are people who are living beyond that and Public Accounts Committee on Excesses they are also taking medical care. Over Voted Grants and Charged Appro- priations (1983-84) and Action Ta·ken on [Trans/ation] their two hundred a nd twenty second Report (Seventh Lok Sabha). SHRI K.N. PRADHAN: The question is not who should be taken care of. The question is why gas affected areas have been left out'll charge that some of the bureaucrates are receiving payments from BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE the Union Carbide even today. They are trying to reduce the severity of sickness Sixteenth Report caused by gas and they have also tried to [Englij'h] . reduce the number of patients as well. I THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB would like to know as to what action will DEPARTMENT OF PARLIAMENTARY be initiated against those who have deli- AFFAIRS (SHRI GHULAM NAB! berately reduced the number of the persons AZAD) : I beg to move: taken ill as also of the atI'ected areas'll am ready to face trial and punishment if it "That this House do agree with the is proved otherwise. Sixteenth Report of the Business Advi- lEng lis hl sot)' Committee pIesented to the House on the 9th December 1985." MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: He wants to know whether an enquiry is going to be MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The ques- conducted on this or not. tion is : 301 Re: Suspension AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) of Member 302

"That this House do agree with the -SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA Sbtteenth Report of the Business Advi-' (PonnanO : Before you speak, aUow us to sory .Committee presented to the House say two or three words in brief and then on the 9th December, 1985." you can pass your' remarks. The motion was adopted AN HON. MEMBER: No debate on this! SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: There MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : The House is no question of a debate. We are not stands adjourned for lunch to meet at entering into a debate. A certain submis- 2.15 P.M. sion is being made and that also very briefly. J3.18 brs. Mr. Speaker, it is highly regrettable The Lok Sobha then adjourned for Lunch till Fifteen Minutes past Fourteen of the that an hone Member of this House, Shri Clock. Unnikrishnan has been suspended. He made certain remarks earlier and you asked him to withdraw those remarks. The Lok Sabha re-assembled after Lunch MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. at Sixteen minutes past Fourteen 0/ the Clock. SHRl G. M. BANATWALLA: You [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] asked· him to withdraw from the House and he complied with your direction. Now, RE: SUSPENSION OF MEMBER it is rather unfortunate after all that, a nlotion comes from the ruling par~ to [English] suspend the hon. Member from the ~ouse. Sir, such a motion does not augur well for SHRI E. A YY APU REDDY (Kuroool) : parliamentary democracy. I must say that Sir, with your permission : it is fa tner a vengeance or sma cks of arro- In the morning we staged a walk-out gance or based on a tra nsient majority...... as we felt that Shri Unnikrishnan ought to (Interruptions) have been given an opportunity to explain MR. SPEAKER: Take your seat; his stand. However, he instantaneously please sit down. obeyed when you directed him to withdraw. We felt that the matter was finished there. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: It is But, unfortunately, to surprise and b~sed on arrogance. One more sentence and shock the Congress (I) Party moved an I will complete. Such an attitude is based motion suspending him for the entire day. on the ar rogance of thei r transient majo- This was quite uncalled for. Because, for rity. the same matter there could not be two With respect to accommodation for punishments. You had already asked him parties, every party recognised by the to withdraw for the alleged breach of con- Election Commission should be given the duct. necessary accommodation. We appeal to Again, with regard to the allotment of you and to the Government to rescind this rooms we feel that every party which is motion for suspension. recognised by the Election Commission SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU (Gobichetti. should have a room here. As a matter of Palayam) : It was an unfortunate incident fact, "hen the Prime Minister promised or which had happened, For the last one stated that there would be an office room year I have not come across such a situa- given to every Member of Parliament it is tion in this House. But it is quite unfor- strange that parties which are recognised tunate. I think, he can be let off with a patties sbould be denied a room. There- severe warning. (Interruptions) fore. we appeal to the Congress (1) \larty to withdraw the motion to rescind t~e mo- SHRI H. M. PATEL (Sabarkantha): tion and we request you to restore back the In fact. in the morning, Shri Unnikrilhnan room to both Congress (S) and the Lok wanted to explain his position. He ... Dal. denied that .• t ••• ; I Re: Suspension DSCSMDER 10, 1985 of J.'tembe' 304

MR. SPEAKER: Again you are doing Then w'c put our' point of view in as many something wrong. Do not misquote that. different ways a~ possible in order that we I do not like that. From the beginning may succeed in persuading you. But if yo u you have started misquoting. I do not are impatient and immediately say. "I , agree with that. It is a mis-statement and understand this" then where are we to go '1 misquoting. You are a very seasoned man .. How is it possible to put forward our be reasonable. You be the judge. point of view'? I think, Sir let me asain (Interruptions) point out that however large majority the ruling party may have, it is in my humble SHRI AMAL DATTA (Diamond judgement not a proper thing for them to Harbour) : We all wish that this House be have exercised it in the manner in whi~h able to conduct its work and that is why we they did it. It was really astonishing that have come back with the app'!al that the the Minister of Parliamentary Affa irs ruling party having its normal sense should allowed himself to lose his cool in the way withdraw this suspension ...... (Interruptions) in which he did. He would have thought SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY that he at least ... (Interruptions) If demo- (Midnapore) : We are not harming any- cracy. .. (Interruptions) body; we are not benefiting anybody ... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: It is all right. SHRI H.M. PATEL: I am not calling SHRI H.M. PATEL: Well, if you do into question anything that has happened not wish to listen to me ... (Interruptions) in the morning except this that he was asked to withdraw by you and he complied SHRI AMAL DATTA: You dOD't witfl it immediately. Immediately. I like the word democracy ... (lnterruptions) understand, a motion was brought by the ruling patly and passed. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir, it is really unfortunate. It never happened MR. SPEAKER: That is what I have in this House ...(lnterruptions) already heard. What is new in that? SHRI H.M. PATEL: Anyhow, it is [Translation] necessary for us in the opposition to place on record our dismay at such use of large SHRI K.D. SULTANPURI (Simla): majority they possess. We, at least, hoped Mr. Speaker, Sir, Shri Unnikrishnan should that they would want to hear the full not have uttered such words and the explanation as to why is it that Mr. Opposition should not have instiga ted him Unnikrishnan wanted to say something. in this manner. Maybe he said something which you did not appr.ove of... (lnterruptions) [English] MR. SPEAKER : Again you are mis- quoting.. .(Interruptions) SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura) : Mr. Unnikrishnan complied with your SHRI H.M. PATEL: I am not speaking orders. Immediately he withdraw, and in any other spirit except the spirit... afterwards a motion was moved to su~pend (Interruptions) him. We have come here to appeal to you... ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Let that spirit prevail. MR. SPEAKER: That is a11 right. I SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE have heard you. You have supported that (paoskura): Please allow us to make appeal and I have heard it, Sir. Therc is the submission ... (Interruptions) nothing more. You support it.

, MR. SPEAKER: This is the same SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : Yes. thing. I cannot allow a discussion on . tbis. MR. SPEAKER; Thank you. I have SHRI H.M. PATEL: The only way in understood what you want to convey. You which we can put forward our pOints is have conveyed what you wanted ... by trying to convjnce you, persuade you. (Interruptions) 30S Re: Suspension AGRAHA YANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) a/Member 306

SHRI AMAL DATTA : We want to Prime Minister wanted him to vacate it, participate in the democratic pr Ocess; That he would have vacated it in a minute....•• is all ... (Interruptiona) (Interruptions) If we are not gi Ven that opportunity, MR. SPEAKER: I will come to that we go out. also. SHRI BASUDEB Acharia: We want SHRI E. AYY APU REDDY: He was that the suspension motion be withdrawn. staying on the assurance of the Prime Mini- ster. MR. SPEAKER: 1 have heald the MR. SPEAKER: I will come to that Hon. Members very attentively and I have also ...... understood what they want to say, and (Interruptions) I really want the spirit that we should work in close cohesion. That has been SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. my effort and endeavour to carry out the DEO (Parvathipuram): I had given it wishes. As far as the episode goes, I have to you in writing many times that the nothing against Mr. Unnikrishnan per.- House is fully not constituted until the sonalJy. We have been the best of friends. elections in Punjab and Assam are over ... 1 still am the. best of his friend. Tbere is (Interruptions) nothing personal. If there was anything MR. SPEAKER: I have heard that. personal, we could have settled it uutside. Sir. There is nothing also. Is it not 1 We can do it. As friends we can just sit up SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. together and sort the things out. But this DEO: We have also told you that our is not a personal thing. I had to do certain Presid'ent had written to the Prime Mini- things .. . (Interruptions) ster-not only as Prime Minister but as the leader of the Congress (I) parliamentary MR. SPEAKER: What do you mean 1 party .. ,(Interruptions) I have to prepare the ground. I have to explain about it ...(Interruplions) MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Deo, we have discussed this problem both with you and SHRI E. A YY APU REDDY : There is with others so many times. That is why nothing against you, Sir. I say that for the last one year I have been trying to sort this thing out. It is not to MR. SPEAKER: If that had not been my advantage personally that I want that the case, then I think nothing would have Congress (S) should go or the Lok Dal come on the floor of the House because I should go or an ybody else should come am not least interested about the vacating in. No. It is you, Sir. You have come of any office. Why should I be? Does it so many times and you have asked. me so come in my pocket or do I occupy it 7 No many times that "Mr. Speaker, it is on I have to it to because-Amal Datta ji, 'you your shoulder. You should enforce what are the judge. I will make you sit in the the rufes are". I thought that this was going Chair and decide for yourself...... to create some bitterness, so I tried even (Interruptions) . with my friends sitting here. I brought them so many times together and told that SHRI AMAL DATTA: How can I it was beyond my capacity to do anything judge, Sir '1 more. MR. SPEAKER: Because sometimes Then if I have to step in what else it falls on the whole shoulders of somebody. could I do? Oi ve me more rooms and I wHl put on the shoulders of Mr, Unnikri· I will allot to everybody. Why should I shnan himself because we have talked about not ? That is why I appreciate the move this so many times sitting together t allot- of the Prime Minister. He told me that we ment and vacation .. ",. are going to construct rooms for every (Interruptions) party and for every single Member who is SHRI E. A YY APU REDDY: Prime independent. So, I appreciate that there Minister had permitted him to stay. That will be no problem for me. What do I is what Mr. Unnikrishnan said that if the gain 1 How do I come into the picture 3~7 bECSMBER 10, 1985 01 Member 30S

and I should be called a tyrant outside. SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: It is This is omething brutal. For me it is no the motion of the ruling party. proble~. It is your rules; and if I enforce (Inter,.uptions) the rules then I am bad if the breakers of the rules are doing something illegal, SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : Sir, the then they are not to blame. So, the problem question of accommodation was never is ... ( 1nterrupt;ons) disc ussed.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Basudeb MR. SPEAKER: Give me more rooms Acharia, you have come to me so many and I will allot to everyone. times. SHRI BASUDE~ ACHARIA: The question of accommodation was never SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA . Yes, but discussed. the question of accommodation was never discussed. MR. SPEAKER: You must say what is true and what is not true. If you had MR. SPEAKER: You also know rules told Shri Unnikrishnan that he had not are rules. Do I make them 1 Look here done it properly to address me ]ike that what I had done. There was a rule in the everything would have been all right. I directive that below 30 m>!mbers there will don't want anything. He could have come be no recognition of a group and no allot- to my room and thrashed out anything, ment should be made on the lL)or of the but not on the floor of the Ho use. House. Last time I brou;:1t it down to t 1 nterrupt ions) fifteen. And then I brought It now f~r­ ther to ter so as t) accommodate the most. THE MlNlSTER OF PARLIA- Look at my approach. That is how MENfARY AFFAIRS AND TOURISM I tried to do it. N)w. if there are more (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT); Hon. Member, rooms with me I will allot to each and Shri BJsudeb Achar ia, please let me have every party and now to nine or eleven my say. Members who are Independent. When there (Interruptions) is really the problem of accom modation, MR. SPEAKER: Please listen to the what can I do? It is not a personal thing. Minister. I do nOl want to create rancour. It was the question of approach. Shri Unnikri- (Interruptions) shnan became angry with me. He did SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT : Let me make not know t hat I was not act ing here as it clear that none of us is happy about the Bal Ram. I was acting only as Speaker, episode. We are very keen that this That is all. matter should be amicably sorted out and we should continue to work with the same Secondly, for the la st five years we spirit with which you have guided us, the did not do anything and this is the last spirit of understanding each other and tbing that I would like to expel or suspend working together. Tha t is the very spirit any Member from my House. I take it in which we have functioned all along in is a personal affront to me. He withdrew. this klouse. I very respectfully wish to Even that I did not want, but he was point out to my respected friend, Shri adamant. What could I do if the House Banatwalla and others, there is no question now decides to uphold the prestige... of any arrogance on the part of the rulina (Interruptions) party.

MR. SPEAKER: Look here, even if SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY : What the House decides, I am always in the hands was it ? of the House. I go with you. It is not my personal prestige, mind you. I am SHRl H.K.L. BHAGAT: Please do yours. The prestige is yours. To maintain not interrupt. I don't expect interruptions. it, it is yours. If yvu denigrate it, it is yours. Why should I bother about it '1 I SHill NARAYAN CHOUBEY: This should take personal care of my intearity. is arrop DCC. 309 k.e : Suspension AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) o/Member 3io

SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT: Why should SHRI BASUDBB ACHARIA': One you interrupt me ? ... thing more. May we know whether you are prepared to withdraw the motion ? SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Because others interrupt us. SOME HON. MEMBERS: No. SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT: I did not interrupt you. SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT: I am pre- pared to consider the withdrawal of Now, Sir, . all of us have the greatest suspension but I want to ask the hon. respect for the hon. Member, Shri Unni- Jeaders of the Opposition about one thing: krishnan. For every Member of the What do they say on what Mr. Unnikrish- Opposition our attitude right from . the nam said ? Are they prepared to say that he beginning has been to go by merit, not by should not have said it 1 any strength. That has been the atti tude of the Prime Minister and our attitude as SHR! NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Mr well. Unnikrishnan abided by the Direction o.f Speaker. The simple point is this.' I have absolutely no objection to this matter being SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT! The hone sorted out. We can sit with you, they Member Shri Ramoowalia has said this- can sit with you and I can sit with you he said, he should have withdrawn those and we can sort it out. We are keen to words. He did say that. sort it out. But I wish to say one basic thing, which is that nobody whether from SHRI BALW ANT SINGH RAMOO- this side or from the other side should WALIA (Sangrur): In the very beginning directly or indirectly cast any retlection on when the episode started we did not walk the Chair. I am sorry to say it don't get out. Aka!i Dal did not walk out, because, irritated. It is true that a motion was we felt that if there is any misunderstand- brought by my colleague later, but in the ing, if there is any infringement on the beginning, the hon. Member, Shri Unni- Han. Office of the Speaker, the hon. krishnan was asked to withdraw the Member should withdraw. We did not remark. I expected he would withdraw walk out on that issue. We are considered the remark and he should have withdraw as the l!aders ; we are to guide the nation ; it. we are to guide the country. But later on we saw what bon. Members from the ruling Secondly, I expected the opposition party were saying ; even the hon. leaders to advise Mr. Unnikrish'lan 'WeB, Minister moved his motion. This motion please withdraw.' There is nothing wrong amounts to giving double sentence for the in that; No dignity is involved in that. same alleged offence. I appeal to you and I am sorry to say that none of the opposi- I appeal to all sections of the Hous¢. We tion leaders thought of persuading him to should give a better guidance to the withdraw the remakrs. (Interruption) Please country. We have to be liberal. I urge sit down. Secondly, the position has been upon them to withdraw thIS motion and explained by you very weIr. As far as the show a liberal attitude. It will certainly rules are concerned, it is up to the House strengthen your position. Kindly withdraw to change the rules. We can sit together the motion. This is my request. and discuss this matter. I have no objection to discussing the matter. But the whole SHRI KISHORB CHANDRA S. DBO : point is this. As long as the rules are They will not withdraw. They will continue there, for one year we have been trying. In this way with th~ir brute majority. Rules on allotment are there; we have been trying. For the. Speaker there is a limit, SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT : 1 would like Speaker for one year has been trying it, to make one submission. What the hon. discussing with everybody. So. far as Member Shri Ramoowalia has said,-thi~ Government is concerned I would agree to is not the attitude of the opposition sit with you along with the opposition leaders. Sir, none of them is prepared to leaders and sort this matter out. I have say that Mr. U noikrishnao should have no objection to tha t. withdrawn those words. Re : Suspension DECEMBER 10, 1985 01 Member 3.12

saRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: You can SKRI G. M. BANATWALLA : Muslim adjourn the House. We can come and sit. League did not walk out at the first instance. We 8re taking exception only to your motion. MR. SPEAKER: You can come and sit. Let the House continue. Why should SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT: Even now if the House be adjourned? We can 10. they say tha t he should have withdraw You can come and we will talk. those words, I can certainly consider it. I would say, I am prepared to sit with yOJ SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: The and with the opposition leaders right now, motion sbould be withdrawn. in your chamber, to sort this matter out. MR. SPEAKER: There should be no SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: The hon. condition. Nothing can happen when there Minister should withdraw the motion. Sir, are cond itions. There should be no you kindly permit me to speak. conditions. (lrzrerruptians) SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: In the SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT: Even now, morning, you asked the hon. Member to they are not prepared to say it .... withdraw ... (Interruptions) MR. SP ~AKER : That J have already MR. SPEAKER: One Ininute please. heard. There is no further argument here. That is what I said. We can talk there. SHRI AMAL DATTA: The responsi- bility is theirs and ~not YOUI~. They are SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: We believe responsible for this. (1 nterruptlOns ) that Mr. Unnikrishnan, a senior Member of the House has been subjected to double MR. SPEAKER : Ordey please. punishment.

There is always a way out by discussion. MR. SPEAKER: That is something That is what democracy is. By discussion. else. That I am not disputing. I am by personal contact, everything can be only talking of the other thing. solved. There is nothing insoluble. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: If he is SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. not revoking the suspension, we cannot DEO : Everything has been discussed. discuss the matter with the Speaker in the EVen the Constitution says that one should chamber and we will not participate in the not be punished twice He should wi th- House. draw it.

MR. SPEAKER: I think, there is a SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. better sense. You can come to me and we DBO: A senior Member of Mr. Unni.. can sit down. krishnan's stature was insulted. (Interruptions) SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: You have directed the Member to withdrew from tbe House. He withdraw. But he is SHRI GHULAM NABI AZAD: They infringing upon your right and brought can tolerate the insuls to Chair. But they an~insult this motion. cannot telephone to the Member. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Jaipalji, you come. I think, Mr. Basudebji you come. You all come. We can just sit together 14.43 hrs. and sort it out. (At this stagt. Shri Basudeb Acharla and some other hon. Member.~· Jl'fllhe House) SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: You allow me to make a submission. (Interruptiolf') 313 Spices ~ess Bill AOR.AHA Y ANA 19. 1907 (SAKA)

SPICES BOARD BILL· 14r45 bn. MATTERS UNDER. RULE 371 (English] [Entli~h] THE MIN ISTER OF ST ATB OF THE MINISTRY OF TEXTILES (SHR[ (I) Remedial measures needed t" improve KHURSHID ALAM KHAN): I beg to environmental conditions of Firozabad move for leave to introduce a Bill to town in Uttar Pradesh. provide for the constitution of a Board SHRI GANGA RAM (Firozabad): for the development of export of spices Sir, problem of environmental pollutio n and for the control of cardamom industry is very acute in the .town of Firozabad in including the control of cultivation of car- U.P. which is known for glass industry and damom and matters connected therewith. mainly glass bangles. Otherwise too, this MR. SPEAKER: The question is : is the dirtiest towu from sanitat ion point of view. The worst drainage system is "That leave be granted to introduce a contributing to pollution. The small and Bill to provide for the constitution of big furnaces practically in every nook and a Board for the development of corner of the city are oozing out smoke export of spices and for the control and dirt polluting severely the environment of cardamom industry including the which is the main factor for prevalence of ~ontrol of cultivation of cardamom and wrious diseases especially PulmonarY matters connected therewith." Tuberculosis which is badly affecting the general health of the poor labour claiss in The motion was adopud. particular. There are no separate res den- tial colonies and industrial are as. SHRI KHURSHID ALAM KHAN: Resultant effect is tha t the poor people Sir, I introduce the Bill. use their houses for manufacturing bangles. Hence chest di seases are on increase in Firozabad. The Central GovernmenU SPICES CESS BILL· should tberefore ple ase take remedia measures to improve environmental condi.. [English] tions of this town. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (ii) Dem lod for a Govemment Training MINISTRY OF TEXTiLES (SHRI Centre for Competitive eX'llDioatiODS at KHURSHID ALAM KHAN): Sir on Dbule district of Mabarasbtra for the behalf of Shri Arjun Singh, I beg to move benefit of tribal and blckward class candidates. for leave to introduce a Bin to provide for imposition of cess on all spices which SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL (Erandol): are exported for the purposes of carrying Sir, I would like to draw the attention of out measures for the development of export Minister for Personnel and Traininc. of spices. Administrative Reforms and Public Grie- vances and Pension and in Departnlent of MR. SPEAKER: The question is : Culture, about the need of starting a "That leave be granted to intr oduce a Govern ment Training Centre at Dhule to Bill to provide for imposition· of cess encourage the tribaJs and backward class on all spices which are exported for people to appear in the competitive exami- purposes of carrying out measures for nations. the development of export of spices." The of Maharashtra is The motion was adopted. predominantly tribal. It is situated at tbe border of M.P. and Gujarat. The Kbargaon SHRI KHUIlSHID ALAM KHAN Surat and other districts around DhuJi~ Sir, I introduce the Bill. (in M. P. and Gujarat) arc also havin, majority tribal population .

• Published in Ga~ette of lndia Extraordinary. Part II Section 2, dated 10-12.198$ .. MGlters "".r Rule 3" DECEMBER to. 1985 Moilers u"der Ru/~ 3'17 3J6

Hence there is urgent need to start a communication facilities, not to speak of Central Government Training Centre to setting up of new· industries in the area, impart preliminary training to the boys even the old industries are likely to shift to who wish to appear for various Class I and the area out of the district. The lack of Class II competitive examinations of the telephone facility 18 causing great incon- Central Government. As the situation venience to the people in the area. prevails today, many of the vacancies reserved for S.T. people are not fined for is the headquarter of the want of suitable candidates. district, but due to inadequate capacity of the telephone exchange, no new telephone Therefore, I urge upon the Mi nister to connection has been given since 1981 in act promptly in starting the train ina centre Bhandara. The people who deposited in this tribal bel t. money under OYT scheme and even the Government offices are not able to get new (iii) Need to declare the Union Territory of connections. There are 165 persons on the GO), Dlmln and Diu as a foil-fledged waiting Jist in Bhandara and over SO per- State. sons in Tumsar. There is a long standing SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK (Panaji): demand for a higher capacity exchange at Sir~ On 19th December, 1985 the Union both these places. The pace of cable work Territory of Goa, Daman and Diu comp.- between NalPur and Sambalpur is very letes it 25 years of indl!pendence from the slow. Portuguese rule. With a view to link aU the three towns Although people of this terri tory with S.T.D .. cables have been laid upto missed the first two Five Year Plans, yet, Devri which is on the border of the State. during the course of future Plans, the From tbis place, GODdia. Tumsar and Central Government were kind enough to Bhandara could easily be connected by rendery all the financial assistance to the STD. An assurance was given in the last Union Territory's Government to be a self- Lok Sabha for installation of higher capa- reliant economy_ city exchanges at Turnsar and Bhandara as also to link all the three cities of , The Opinion Poll, which was ~eld in Goa Bhandara and Tumsar by STD, but this two decades back, gave it a status of Union work has not been completed so far. Territory and, it is only on account of that status that'"'the territory became the direct I, therefore, request the hon. Com- responsibility of the Central Government munications Minister to expedite the above so far as its development was concerned. said work:s and provide relief and facilities Now Goa can stanj on its own legs. to the people of this backward area. The territory is self-sufficient to a large (v) Need to set up a committee to consider eJittent. At least, it is better off, than providin~ proper educational facii:ties to many of the States recently created. the children of Government employees posted in desert areas, snow clad regions It is now time that the Central Govern- and other difficult areas. ment decides to declare Goa, Daman and SHRIMATI USHA THAKKAR (Kutch) : Diu a full-fledged State. I would like to draw the attention of the This will be the best present, that the hon. Members to an important matter. Central Government can give to Goa on This is an important issue for me, because the eve of its Silver Jubilee Celebrations. the people of my constituency often come to me with these compla ints. Sir, many Government employees are deployed in [Trans lal ion] desert, snow bound and other difficult (if) Need to increase the capacity of tele- areas of the country. Thousands of phone excbange.i at Bhandara and Tumsar Government employees are working in my in Mahar.a~htra. constituency in Kuth, Banaskan tha and SHRI KESHAORAO PARDHI desert areas of Rajasthan. Similarly there are (Bhandara): Mr. Speaker, Sir, Bhandara many areas in snow clad mountains where district of Maharashtra is a backward employees are posted I have myself visited district ill the State. Due to lack of these areas and I know that there are :J17 Mat/~rs under Rule 37i AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Matters under Rule 377 31 ~

difficult living conditions. Educational [Tralt.s·/atlon] . facilities are lacking in these areas. The Dumber of educational institutions is not (vii) Need to enRure regular ~up'Ply or Cement adequate and thereby tbe children of these from factoriec; for cf)JJ'Inlefi()D of v9rious projects under way in Billar. employees are deprived of educa tion. The pulls and pressures for frequent transfers SlfRl D P. YADAVA (Monghvr): The are also due to this. Bihar Government ha~ taken up the cons- truction of manv public works. Cement I, therefore, request the hon. Education is required in large Cluantity in all impor- Minister to set up a high level committee tant prolects like irrhzation. power. road to go into this problem and solve it and bridge constructiC'n. GeneraUy it i~ immediately. With a view to orovide obseT'ved that the pace of progress ('f all immediate relief, the children of such these projects accelerates between December employees should be admitted in the nearby and June. but due to scarcity of cement. educational institutions on priority basis. fhe work on the projects ic; held up. The Ct"ment factories are suPoosed to supply cement at the Tate of Rs. 45 per bag for [English] public works, but the factory owners do not supply it at that rate in time with a view (vi) Need to set up a therma1 power plant in to earn profit due to which . the projects Kerala to meet its growing de mand for suffer and the estimated costs rise mani- power. fold. The Irrigation Department of Bihar Government had directed cement factorv at SHRI K. MOHANDAS (Mukunda. Chunar and Chaibas:\ to supp'v cement for puram) : Sir, Kerala is generally regarded Ganga Pumo Canal Scheme at Monghyr. but as a surplus State with regard to electricity. the cement factorie~ had not so far ~upP1ied This assumption was disproved in 1983 when the cement as per requirements. Similar is there was a severe drought and the the fate of other State Governme~t Schemes. reservoirs almost dired up. The The Central Government &hould ensure t'hat Government had to jrnpose a cent per cent there is no shl'rtage of cement f0T public power-cut on industries throwing out of works. particularly durinl! the Deriod from gear the entire industrial production. Yet, December to June. The ct'ment factories the gravity of the power situation tn Kerala should be directed to supoJy cement for does not seem to have been well under- nublic works in Bihar as per inden ts or stood by the Centre. At present, Kerala Bihar Government. has only hydro-electr!c power plants which fail when the monsoon fails. Complete (viii) Need to D.-e'=e"ve the Ghanft B;rd Sane- dependence on hydro-electric power will ~uary near Rharatpur in Rajastb~n. be fatal as was proved on m')re than one SHRI MOOL CHAND D_.t\GA (Pali)! occasion. Therefore, what is required is Mr. Speaker. Sir. the world famous Bird other sources of power generation. Sanctuary 'Ghana- near Bharatpur is losing its charm due to the negligence or the Kerala is one of the very few States Governments officials. Previously thousands which have not received any Central invest- and lakhs of beautiful and attractive birds ment in the power sector. The State bas used to come here from d istant places~ but demanded that a thermal power plant due to the i.ndiscriminate felling of trees should be set up in Kerala to meet its and haphazard growth of grass. the beauty growing demand for power. This will of that area is diminishing day by day. The reduce our dependence on hydropower and birds have also stopped breeding due to will aV,lid a crisis in the power generation this factor. In the last two years three which may develop in the event of a failure devastating fires took olac~ 111 wh ich thou- of the monsoon. sands of trees have been des1 r'''yed and' thousands of rare birds J04\t their lives. The Government officers are enquiring into the Therefore, I would request the Govern- incidents at their own sneed and not a ment to take immediate steps to set up a thermal power plant in ICerala. single report hfls been sUbmitted so far. The people say that where earlier beaut iful '19 DECBMBER 10, 1985 Education-A Policy 320 Pt'rspl!ctlve birds used to chirp, now the crows caw all details is therefore bound to be gradual there. and on a pragmatic pattern. It therefore, urge the oovernment to Education has to play a catalyst role draw the attention of the Chief Minister in this process of human resource develop- of Rajasthan towards it and also extend its ment. It has to provide the continuum as rul cooperation in preserving the beauty of will as a basis for the progress of the indivi- this bird sanctuary. dual and the society through development of values, attitudes and skills; it hab to provide strength and resilience to the people and enable them to respond to the chal- lenge of change. It has to be characterised 14.57 hrs. not merely by its concern for the indi vi- MOTION" RE: CHALLENGE OF dual but even more so, its capacity to serve ," EDUCATION-'A POLICY as an instrument of social transformation. PERSPECTI VEe ' In the Ind ian con text, the concept of national development goes far beyond (EngU h) economic growth. It is our endeavour that MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Narasimha Rao. the product of our education system would be self-confident individual with a strong THE MINISTER OF HUMAN commitment to democratic values and RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI P.V. secularism, concerned w itb the emergence NARASIMHA RAO) : I beg to move : of a nation united in purpose from amongst "That this House takes note of the people spedking different languages, pro- status paper entitled 'Challenge of fessing different religions, pursuing a variety Education-a policy perspective', laid of life styles. It would be imrerative to devise on the Table of tbe House on the 20th system a under which all educational Augus~, 1985." endeavour is fuHy integrated with the socio-cultural mjlIieu and aimed at develop- 14.58 brs. ment of the full potential of the individual. [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] In Government's view the time bas come when we should conceptualise the As a brief introduction to the dis- roles of the difffrent stages of the edu- cussion, I would like to place before the cational process not in isolation but as House certain developments since the integral parts of one single, all-inclusive House has had an occasion to consider movement of human resource development. education earHer. 15.00. brs A new Ministry of Human Resources Development has been formed by ,com- Although it is difficult to say where 'biaing Education, Culture, Sports, Youth exactly the movemen t begins, we may Affairs, Women's Welfare, Integrated Child perhaps begin with the pregnant mother Development and Censorhip of films. The and the ante-natal care which she conceptual framework or this Ministry con- receives. When the baby is born, it gets full sists in building up the all-round per- immunisation and the benefits of nutrition sonality of man and to this end, integrating programmes. Then it enters an Anganwadi as many activities as possible, with a view and the pre-primary stage of education. "to evolving a package of inputs and deli- Two years later, the child enters the vering them. The process is not merely Primary School and continues until the one of coordinati"on~ but real integration age of 14, as envislged under the Constitu- so that all components are woven into a tion. Durin& this time, he gets the benefits single, continuous, harmonious programme. of the School Heal th Programmes which As menlbers are aware, these programmes would ensure full coverage. On the educa- were implemented separately ~n the past, tion side, those who drop out of the formal whetber at the Centre or in the States, school woulo be served by the non formal whether under one Minister or more. The net-work which is so devised as to enable ,mtecration such as is being attempted now lateral entry into the formal stream. The il thus novel and uniq\lC. Its evol«.ltion in formal and l1on~rormal systems open ut> 321 Mot/on Re : Challenge oJ AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) EduCalion--A Policy 321 Perspective [Shri P. V. Narasimha] institutions alone or to the client groups in into the vacational stream, properly graded schools, co1leges and universites. It has to so as to make him fit for a vacation ~nd be a life long process. The educational to provide for vertical or latera 1 en try, endeavour should, therefore, be addressed based again on merit, into the higher educa- to the requirements of continuing Iife.. long tion net-work, literal or technical. Those education which is receiving increased who cannot take advantage of institutiona- attention today. Again the thrust towards lised education would be welcome to enter aJl round development of the human the Open Univerisity or Distance Education personal ity should be in t he direction or system, for whatever purpose they have in crca tbn of a learning society in which view, at their own pace and convenience. teaching is assigned the role of the aids in Thus the portion of the individual's life- the process of learning. span, from conception to graduation, upto the highest Degree. and inclusive of conti .. Our education should equip the indivi- nuing education, would be informed by the dual and the society to face confidently the principle of affording full and equal challenges of the future. But while the educational opportunity to all those who future is limitless in its expanse, it begins desire and deserve. The package will in the ne»t moment. The future, therefore, naturally contain the important factors of sta rts from now. However, taking a realistic culture, physical fitness and kindred values time-;rame, the tasks assigned to the throughout. It is equally important that Ministry of Human Resource Development keeping in view the priorities in our call for a planning perspective. Apart from national development, all educational whatever can be assigned in the immediate programmes are suitably coordinated, such future, the perspect!ve plan should be as agricultural education, medical education, approached in the country of the challenge education of para medical and health of the 21st century. That challenge has workers and workers' education with a already begun, in the sense that the first principal focus on the clientele groups graduate of the next century is already in upto 35 years of age. class· I in the current year 1985. How we shape this clientele of about ]00 million In view of the fact that the bu1k of over the next fifteen years would determine our children enrolled in sc hools are first the country's future in the 21st century. generation learners, and since the bulk of Needless to say that each succeeding year the country's adult population in the hereafter wculd bring a fresh cJ ientele productive age group of 15-35 are illitcra ~~, whose rumber may reach 130 million the accent in our development effort annually. This huge human mass is to be should be on promotion of universalisatIon the main target of the programme of of elementary education removal of human resource development. illiteracy. Also, investment in f~male literacy is the best way of improving The emphasis on the 21st century so quality of life as it motivates the adoption often laid by the Prime Minister is also significant from another angle namely the of the small fanlily norm and leads to 9 better health and nutritional standards and qualitative content of the challenge of better family rearing patterns. The integra- change. The revolution in thefield of electro- tion of programmes of adult education nics, computers, micro-chips and communi- with other related schemes like integrated cations is bound to have an all pervading Child Development Scheme, Development effect on our life styles hereafter. Infor- of Women and Children in Rural Areas, matics has emerged as a powerful discipline promotion of literacy through NSS fot which call for an effect ive development of NYK would call for special emphasis. communication support system. In the context of the r~pid depletion of non- The educational process is also expected renewable sonrces of energy, greater to provide knowledge and skills for solving emphasis would require to be placed on problems of development besides enabling development of renewable sources of energy the learners to develop an understanding which present, even more than mere of the physical and social environment. technology, a cballenge cost-effctiveness Such a process appropriately Cailn~)t lemain wh ich is really another challenge of confined to tbe portals of the educational technology with n10rc complex ramification s· 323 Motion Re : Challcng ..J of DECEMBER 10, 1935 Educatlon-A Polley 324 Perspective All this would require evolving a new long-term progratume. The main and dynamic education policy rivetted on characteristics of these institutions the future, yet footed in our values. are:

As of now, a nation-wide debate IS In (i) quality; progress on the contours of a New Educa- (ii) Social justice viz. education to be tion Policy. A status paper: Challenge of avai lable irresrective of the Education A-Policy Perspective. has been parents' capacity to pay; published by Government. It contains an over veiw of the state of education and (iii) Merit base and cultivation of talent; some pointers to possible future initiatives based essentially on the veiws and sugges- (iv) Util ity and social purpose, confor- tions from educational planners, teachers, ming to accepted national policies; students, parents, intellectuals-in short (v) Having largely rural coverage; and all those who are interested in education. The Paper is intended to provide the basis (vi) fostering national integration. for an indepth debate which would facili- When and as these institutions tate the fonnulation of the N\!w Education are established, an elabora tes Policy. While the policy would emerge out scheme to radiate quality from of a broad consensus, I would like to briefly them would be formulated and outline some initiatives and priorities which implemented, drawing from Government considers necessary to achieve experience as we go along. within a realisable time frame : (g) delinking degrees from jobs where (a) universalisation of free elementary possible and establishing greater education; women's education to relevance and complementarity be free upto and including Higher between the content and processe . Secondary; of education on the one hand and the requirements of different (b) removal of illiteracy amongst client groups on the other ; people, through functionally rele- (h) enhancing general access to educa- vant programmes of Adult Educa- tion through use of mass media tion, in the age group 15-35; and setting up institutions for Open and Continuing Systems of (c) widespread dissemination of know- Education. ledge of India's 11 istory, culture and destiny and inculcat ion of The process of d cawing action plans, values underlying the Indian and target setting has already been initiated Constitution; concurrently with the Seventh Five Year Plan ex:ercise. (d) strengthening of existing institu- tions and. where necessary, the With this brief outline, I request the establishment of new inst itutions of House to commence discussion. excellence for Rand D and Man- Power Development for the futurv MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Motion scenario of economic progress; moved:

(e) providing a vocational thrust to "That this Rouse takes note of the education to fulfil developmental status paper entitled "Challenge of needs as weB as enhancing emplo- Education-a policy perspective" laid yability; on the Table of the House on the 20th August 1985." (f) taking up a massive, long-term, nation-wide programme of school SHRI P. K 0 LAN D A I VEL U improvement and to support and (Qobichettipalayam): . Mr. Deputy·Speaker, stimulate it by starting a fair Sir I am thankful to you for giving me the number of quality institutions opportunity for taking pal t in the discus- which endeavour to serve as the sion on the Education Policy of the catalysts of the above-mentioned Government. Since the other Oppos1tion 325 Motion R~ : Challenge of AGRAI-IA YANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Educotion-A Policy 326 Perspective [Sbri P. Kolandaivelu] Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, as you know, Tamil is a renowned Janguage and we have Members have staged a walk out, I have got a rich literature in Tamil. Even Hindi got the first chance to speak on this language has got no grammar at all. subject. SHRI SHYAM LAL YADAV: Who AN HON. MEMBER: You should says? thank them. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Tamil is SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Suppo- a rich and renowned language. That is sing they do it everyday I will get the why we insist upon t~ o-language formula chance to speak first every day. with regard to Tamil Nadu. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: And also SHRI A.B.T. BARROW·: Have not the on every Bill, I think ..... other States got two-language formula like U.P ? They have got Hindi and English. SHRI P. KOLANADIVELU : Sir, edu- cation is a very important subject and SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Further education is the only media by which we education is a concurrent subject. We want become civilized. If one is educated, we to have it in the State list instead of the say that he is a civilised pe'"son. If one is un- concurrent list. Only if education is in the educated, we will say that the person is not State list, more opportunities will be there a civilised person. So, in the modern world, for the State Government. Our hone Chief education has got an important role to Minister has introduced the scheme of play. Even our hone Prime Minister wanted nuitriti~)us meal for childern. For the last a re-thinking on the education policy. That three years, the scheme is being implemen- is why, as soon as he occupied the office of ted successfuly and 83 lakhs of chUdern are the Prime Minister of this great country, getting a futI square meal. Why should he merged education and Human Resources such a scheme not be implelnented in Development; now the education has got almost all the other States? Why should a new trend because of the Prime Minister"s you not come forward to help? We reques- new policy. Of course, the new education ted the Government of India to give some policy, has a wider perspective. Even grant for this scheme, the nuitritions meal though I welcome the policy, I have to scheme, but you have not given. What make certain points with regard to the actually is the Government of India doing education policy. directly to the people? I want to ask the Government. You may be drawing so many Firstly. they want to have model schools schemes, but you have to see whether the in each and every district in all the States. benefits percolate to the people or not. But what would be the mediUlu of instruc- You are not seeing that at all. You are tions in the model schools? As far as the only drawing up schemes and keeping it meduim of instructions is concerned, I in your files. The State Government is would say that mother tongue is the be:;t nearer to the people; there is a communi- language to teach a child. If the mother cation system between the two The tongue is not given the first preferenee, State Government is looking after the automaticaUy the education policy will interests of the people directly. The State fail. The Father of the Nation, Mahatma Government is the custodian of the people; Gandhi, said that the teaching should be automatically, the State Government takes done only in the mother tongue. Mother interest in order to help the down-trodden, tongue, therefore, must be given the first the poor people to lift them from below preference and next comes English. But in the proverty line. the new education policy. you are adopting a 3-1anguage formula. We are dead against So, the State Government of Tamil this 3-language formula as far as Tamil Nadu thinks that Educa~ion should be in Nadu is concerned. We are adopting only the State List and not in the Concurrent a two-language formula; that is mother List I also wish to inform this -House tongue, Tamil and next English. If you that the rate of literacy in Tamil Nadu is are going to adopt this method of 3-1angu- 47 per cent and ours is the s::cond highest age formula, Tamj]jans as a whol.! wi]] literacy rate, next to Kerala whic'l is the oppose this education policy itself. first, Now you are bringing this Educa ... 327 Mol ion Re : CIUJ/fe'lge of DECEMBlR 10. 1985 Education-A Policy 328 Perspective

tiona I Policy. After ten years what will responsibility of the Government of India. be your literacy rate '1 Are you going to You have to shoulder all the responsibility. increase it or are you going to decrease it '1 Then only each and every child will grow Even the curriculam mentioned in the up properly and just as you wanted, Education Policy is the same as the curd- then only it achieves the all round per- culam which is now adopted in Grade VI. sonaJity, There is no change So, wha t is new about the policy that you are bringing in now '1 This Educational Policy has so many May be. the name of your Department has defect s. This policy has been discussed by been changed from 'Education' to 'Human so many delegates in various Seminars and Resources'. That is all! As we see it in Conferences. These defects have to be the book form, there is no change in the removed and a new policy must be brought policy. about.

I would like to say something about [Translation] the model schools. On 14th November, SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI which happened to be the birthday of our (Begusarai) : Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, a first Prime Minis ter, lawaharlal Nehru, ray of hope and excitement has entered the two model schools ought to have been grim atmosphere of education field since inaugurated. Why did the Government of the announcement of revolutionary changes I~dia not inaugurate the schools on that in the education system made by our Hon. day "I Has it been postponed to some other Prime Minister Shri Rajiv Gandhi. This buthday ? I suppose the best reasons afe has aroused a feeling of confidence in the known to the hone Minister. Let him reply mind of the people. A new department to this also. has been created. 1 hope this new depart- ment wi)) be helpful in a1l round develop. Then with regard to merit, even in the ment of children in future who are our model schools what sort of standards arc hope for India of future. The effectIve steps you going to adopt? What wi)) be the already ta ken by the Government in this criterion for your selection tests? I would respect are very commendable. ]ike to know whether rural children will let the first priority when the selection The Education Department has prepared tests are conducted So nlany pri\'c.t~ a document to which the hon. Minister schools and institutions are being run by has made a reference. The Department has so many Christian people and nlany others. done a commendable job and they deserve They.get funds from even the foreign coun- our gratitude for it. But there is appre- tries. If good standard is maintained in hension in our mind which is based on our these model schools and if the rural childern past experience. Our past exrerience has get priority and are given preLrcnce, then heen very bitter in this respect. We have only this Education Policy becomes imp,:H- fear in our mind that all these efforts may tant and it will be welcomed by all. not materialise at all and the d raft schemes Enorlroent of rural children is v~ry impor- formulated by the Department may not be tant because most of our childern live ctnly implemented. These efforts may not remain in villages. a dream only.

Most of the chi1dren, who are studying Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in what in schools are very poor and they all position we find ourselves today since belong to families which Jive below the independence and the framing of our poverty line. Have you introduced any Constitution in 1950. The importance givento scheme for such children 'l You have stated education and adoption of c:ducati on policy in your Policy Document that as soon a baby in 1968 has led uS to the present situation. is born, you are gIving aid to the mother as Although I have not studied much the also to the baby~ What sort of nutrition present situation, but what I feel is that are you providing 1 You are giving just 15 our social and spiritual level has gone paise worth of nutrition. It is useless. The down considetably. Lawlessness is rampant Government bave to take care of aU the aU around. Due to communalism, terrorism 'children. When a baby is delivered, it violence, unemployment and corruption. ....~ the state property and so it is the the moral of the people has dcsraded. Not 329 Motion Re; Challenge oj AGRAHAYANA 19. 190 I:_SAKA) Educotion-A Policy &~ Perspective

[Shrilllati K.rishna SahiJ eradication of illiteracy and women educa- only the moral and social level have gone tion. There should be sepatiate arrangement down, the values in life have been degraded. for imparting training to teachers. Similarly All these things show that we have failed rural education, medical education, engi- to achieve the aim of our education policy neering, technical education should have been dealt wi th separately. of 1968. Discussion on education policy has been Mr. Deputy Sp~aker, Sir, at that time going on since the time of Lord Macaulay. what was our objective and what is our Then Maulana Abut Kalam Azad was our achievement now. E'/en now the hon. Edu- first Educ:ltion Minister. But no signi- cation Minister has made reference to very ficant changes have been brought about in good objectives of the education policy. In the education system. I was reading a book 1968 our objective was : in which Norman Douglus has said that (English] today our educa tion system has been reduced to a mere factory of woes and "To produce young men and women of echoes. Majority of the people, i.e., 72 character and ability for economic and per cent of the people live in villages. Only cultura 1 development of the country 44 per cent of the total budget allocation for national integration and for reali- for education is spent on education in rural sing socialist pattern of Society." areas. How long such attitude of negli.. gence towards education will continue? [Translation] It is very necessary to pay attention in this But the question ren1ains whether these respect. objectives would be achieved? Therefore, our Hon. Prime T\linister Shri Rajiv All the while we have been caring for Gandhi got anxious and he made an the colonial and formal education intro- duced in the beginning used by a tiny announ~ement on 5th January _ 1985, bring about char.ges in our education system. minority of our country. Programmes like The changes have been made keeping in Adult education, TRYSEM, community view the future requirements. But the educat ion polytechnics are very necessary for rate at which the literacy as wen as the rural areas, but actually what is being done population of our country is increasing, in this rega ra ? we cannot say what will be the position in Hon. Education Minister also comes 2000 A.D. At that time 50 crore more from the countryside and he is also a uneducated or illiterate persons will be people's representative. By paying Rs 50 there in the country. Sir, this contention to Rs 100 to an instructor, it is expected is based on the newpapers' reports. Accord- of him that he should not only make the ing to an estimate of the World Bank about adults of 15 to 30 years of age literate in 54 per cent of our people, who will be in ten months. but also develop among them the age grl'up of 15 to· 19 years, will be practical ability and social awareness. illiterate by tbat time. So the new educa- Crores of rupees are spent on this scheme, tion policy, which the Government of but the responsibility, with which we have India is introducing, should be compre- entrusted the instruc tor cannot be dischar- hensive in every respect. it would have g~d by him due to the stranglehold of been better if the views of all the people bureaucracy. would have been heard before preparing the fresh draft for education policy. . The present day Secondary education does not provide vocational training to Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I know that the students. It is making students lethargic this document is not going to be imple- and fatalist. We hope this type of educa- mented just now. A docufllent has been tion will end which teaches students to put forward and all of us have to consider pass exam inations by cramming only. it. It is in the consideration stage. The contents given under four items should Now the question is as to what cbanges have been made more comprehensive. should be effected in the education system Separate chapters should have been dev~ted so as to fulfil our aspirations '1 Firstly, we on subjects like purpose of education, should P<\Y attention towards primary Motion Re : Challenge oj DECEMBER 10, 1985 Education-A Policy 332 Perspect lve

[Sbriaati K.rishna Sabij This creates a feeling of terror in the mind education in the villages whether it is run of child. How can development of such by corporation, zila parishad or autono- children take place 1 God only can save mous bodies. There the schools have no such children. The future of children, proper building and equipment. Maps of who live in villages, cannot be secure unless pre-Independence time hung there. I their personality is developed. For the have seen in the villages of my constituency better administration, we appoint I.A.S., that the same old maps are hung on the I.P S. and I.F .S. offi;ers a nd for getting walls of the schools wh ich show BangIa higher education and doing research work, Desh, Pakistan as part of India. What we have univers1ties but you know what is knowledge the students will acquire from happening there. Students are using nar- it. Instead of attaining uptodate knowle- cotics etc. You should arrange orienta tion dge, they will collect wrong information. programmes especiaiJy in vill ages. In villages, even today, obsolete and crude In our villages there are no buildingS methods of teaching are being used. The for the Primary Schools, The schools are teachers are impartIng wrong education Such closed for 4 months during rainy season" and in an incorrect way. Leave aside tea- schools are situated in my own constitu- ching of English, there are several mistake. ency. I have been raising this matter for even in Hindi teaching. We have seen the last 4 to 5 years, but in this bureau- t ha t there arc at least 15 to 20 mistakes in cratic system files go on moving from one a single page of application of the teachers department to another, but no building which they submit. There is neither. proper comes up. The rna tter rerna ins where it arrangement of teaching nor any m~ans was. There is a river there, but it has no therefor in villages. You will have to bridge over it. Due to the river and in look into it thoroughly. You wit! have to the absence of bridge and bui Iding the bring imp; ovemcnt in the primary educa- condition of the primary level schools in cation. It would be batter if orientation villages has deteriorated. course for teachers is arranged. Presently, Regarding teachers, I would like to say education is being imparted on the basis of that they neither want to teach nor they old books with oft-repeated passages. We feel their responsibility in this respect. The wiU have to look into all these things, 76 trade union movement is gaining ground per cent of our population live in villages. these days. How will the hon. Minister control it? The aim of the trade unions . Education" has now been included in is to serve their own ends only. The unions the concurrent list. On the one hand we of teachers are interested to get their leave it to the State Governments to take demands accepted. Do the tea~hers ever care of the education and on the other, we think that children are the furture of sa)' that we want to build character among India and we should acquaint them with our children and want to take the country the culture, civilisation and our ancient forward. Mere utterances will not suffice. history. In the village schools, the We will have to bring about a uniformity students are not taught about the social In It. You have to see that the State values, national character and secularism. Governments impIen1ent the Central Gover- The boys of the schools in villages are sent ment Schemes In its absence, the educa- for grazing the goats of teachers and tion imparted is full of superstition and girls are called to help the lady discrimination. Th is is the reason that we teachers in cooking meals at their homes. hear of Shiv Sena in Bombay and similar If there is bhajan kirtan at the house of other organisations in other States. You teacher, then students of the schools are will have to see as to what type of ed uca- called in the evening to take part in ti0n is being imparted these days. cborus. They have to bring kheer and roti from their houses. There is no provision for any orientation course to the teachers The books published by N.C.E.R.T., which is quite necessary in the changed U.G.C. and N.I.C. do not reach the villages. circumstances. The student is beaten What will they read without books? 200 mercilessly. We have seen in our area history books have been written in different that the child is beaten with pa.lm stick. languages. 333 Motion Re : Challenge of AGRAHA YANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) EdJJcotion-A Po/icy 334 Perspective SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO: You speak on the paper entitled 'ChaJlenge of are explaining as to what sort of education Education-a' policy perspective' which was was being imparted till now. tabled in this House on the 20th August, 1985. SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: For this we will have to take care of the feelings The basic issue before the country is of all. In history books written in differ- that we should change the system, but to ent languages, superstitions and communal· my experience and knowledge, I personally ism have been encouraged. In this connec- feel that this slogan of changing the system tion attention of the Hon. Minister had is somehow a misnomer. Misnomer. I will been drawn, but no action has been taken say in the sense that had education been ... in this regard. Many things are said, but (Interruptions) they are heard only inside this House. No one implements them outside. [Translation]

In the book titled as 'History of India' SHRI RAM NAGINA MISHRA written by James Smith and P.S. Smith (Salempur) : If Members from Bihar which is still prescribed in the syllab i in do not speak Hindi, what will become of our country, Ifindus and Muslims have Hindi? been shown as two separate nations. Why such books are allowed to be . published 1 SHRI D.P. YADAVA: Mr. Chairman, Sir, accord ing to the wishes of the House, Similarly, in his book 'History of Free- I speak in Hindi. dom l\1ovement' Romesh Chander Mazumdar has written that 1857 Movement I would like to submit again that today was the movement of goondas and ruffians in the entire country a general feeling has whereas it was the first step towards the been created that there is going to be a national movement for freedom. change in the education system and the ordinary people are going to get benefit Last year I had stated during the discus- from it. I have been Deputy Education si ou on Budget in this very House that 2.1 Minister for six years in this Ministry. I per cent of the total Budget has been ear- have both sweet and bitter experience during marked for ed ucation, but it is quite in· that tenure and on that basis I can say that sufficient, whereas our population is in- with a cool mind we should think as to how creasing by 2 to 3 per cent. The provision much meaningful this slogan is. The Hon. made for education in the Budget is quite Minister, Sir, when you were reading out insufficient. The field of human resources your explanatory note, I was going through is very vast and many things can be covered the document 'Challenge of Education-a under it. We should, therefore, spend the policy perspective' and I was feeling that maXiimum amount on education. Even at you too were reading the note in the s &me present we are spending only 3 per cent of manner in which we have been repeatedly our GNP on it whereas earlier it used to stating for the last many years as to what be 7.2 per cent of GNP. Other countries change should be made in the education spend 6 to 8 per cent of their GNP on edu- system and what should not be made. cation and we spend negligible amount. I There is one organisation attached to the hope that even at this late stage something Education Ministry, i.e., the Central Advi- will be done, because it is better late than sory Board of Educ.1tion. The people may never. In conclusion, I would like to consider it as a meeting ground. Duriog quote Tennyson : my tenure, 38 to 39 meetings of the Central Advisory Board of Education were held and [English] after that at least 10 more meetings must "The deep moans round with nlany have been held. In this way the Central voice~ roy friends, Advisory Board of Education must have met 48 times. If you read extensively the It is not too late to seek a newer minutes of. these meetings, you will find world. " that in the matter of education certain SHRI D. P. YADAVA (Monghyr): people who are expert in drafting, includs Sir, 1 am one of the lucky persons today to very good points in the reports and lese ·' '35 Motion Re : Challenne of DECEMBER 10, 1985 Education-A 'PolicY 336 Perspective [Ski D. P. Yadava] would like to give the example of steel in educated people like us read out their the industrial sector. At the time of -inde- reports on radio and seminars or meetings pendence we used to produce 1.3 million or press conferences. I do not agree to tonnes of steel a nd what is our installed this point of view that whatever draft is capacity at present. At present our instal. given to us, we should accept that. Many led capacity is 11.4 million tonnes. Who big things have been said, Leaving aside are the people engaged in the production of aU those things, what we have to do is to steel. These are the people who have passed go deep into the problem. A radical change out as lnechanical engineers from lITs should be brought in the education. In they arc the Inet allurgical engineers from' 1974, 1975 and 1976 a big agitation was . They are all engaged here. You started for this and slogans appeared on have also been a Defence Minister in the the walls that radical changes should be pa st. You know it fully well whether brought about in education. I used to defence laboratories have done excellent think as to what should be the change ? job or not. The Defence Research Labo- I atories, the laboratories of CSIR and I have seen that the people who had other laboratories have all done a good job. removed us from the power by giving slo.. India is today not only self-reliant in the gans had also to vacate seats of power after field of small anns, but in the field of big disappointment and frustration I feel that arms, field guns also, no one can compete this Ministry sbould tell the people what India. I can SJY it with pride that we have has this education given to them so far and reached a stage in ou r research work where what we have to achieve from it in future. we are in a position to manufacture even I am not among those who say that this Pilotless Target Aircrafts and this is all education has ruined us and has not given b>-?rng done by the people who have been anything to us. I do not agree to this view. educated under this education system. Is it not a fact that in 1950 aild 1951 the foodgrains production in our country was Now have a look at the power and 5S million tonnes and today it is 155 energy field. In this field we used to gene- million tonnes. Whonl does this c;edit of rate only, 1,712 megawatts of power in 1947 producing lSS million tonnes of foodgrain and 1950, our engineers, brought up under go? The credit goes to the Indian scientists \he present education system, have made it who have been educated under the present p'..)ssibJe to generate 42,440 megawatt power education system. The credit of the green today. Therefore. I am not ready to agree revolution will go to rAe Agricultural that present education system, has not given Research Institute, Pusa and all other us anything. We bave launched Aryabhatt. research Institutes ...... (Interruptions) cre- Bhaskara-I and Bhaskara-2, Rohini, APPLE, dit will go to farmers also. The farmers Insat-IA and Insat IB in the space. Who and the scientists and all other people have has done this? There are a number of been educated under the present education space laboratories Ioca'ted at many places system and have increased the foodgrains right from Sri Harikota to Ahmedabad and production from S5 million tonnes to 155 at other places aJso. Scientists of our million tonnes. It is not confined to country have developed indigenous science merety production of foodgrains. Today, and brought fame to our country in the in hybrid seed science we are third or fourth world. in the world. It is one above or one Similar is the position in respect of below, but it is third or fourth position in Oceanography. A very gleat achievement the world. India is far advanced in hybrid of our country in this field is extraction of techn01 ogy, plasma technology , molecular polymetall ic nod ules. It shows the teJe- bio-technology and agricu} ture technology. metric and seismological capability of our Wherefrom they have come '1 They are scientists. Our scientists have deve loped the people who have studied in high this nodule and after baving been .processed achools, primary schools or the universities in our laboratories, it is being used in our of this country itself. Therefore, ! do not fa:tories to prod uce meta I. This is our uree to the views that nothing is being history. This is our geography. We have done in the field of education. been able to make SO much achievement Take the case of the industries, J on the basis of this very education. 337 Motion Re ~ Challenge of AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Education-A Policy 338 P erspect ive

Hon. Krishnaji has said that we is no need to have emotional thinking in should provide more funds out of Gross this regard. The loopholes should be National Product for education. 1 would plugged. We should put in more resources like to humbly submit to Krishnaji that where we can achieve more. In the docu- I fully agree to it. If resources are ment titled uChallenge of Education" the morc; more, provision must be made for condition of' that elitist class has been education. But if there are no resources or described which has made use of education scarce, the limited resources available properly for themselves, for their families with us shoUld be fl!lly utilised and a and for the society. That is why I would review should be made on regular basis in like to thank those officials of the Ministry, this regard. who have tried very honest1y and diligently to ioel ude these facts in this paper. In this The facts and figures pei"taining to the paper it has written about 'that very education field should be placed before the education- country. We have done a lot of work i'1 the field of education. In 1947 there were only [Eng/ish] 7,300 high sch~ols in our country, whereas their present numbel is 52,279. Is it not '"Universities and culleges are becoming an achievement? The number of technical notorious for rampant casteism, region- institut~s was 325 only, whereas their a lism and inbreeding, Th\!se institu- present numb~r is 515. The number of tions, barring a few honourable Engineering C011~gcS is 200 at present as exceptions, have become virtual against only 40 previ0usly. The number of battlefields, in which political and dt!gre.! coIJegc.3 was h~: dly 125 or 150. Now other factions, back~d by teachers and their nun1ber l1as risen t 5.246 Previously, aided by other staff, often fight pitched the number of universitIes was only 30. battles for pO\\'ef and supremacy. Now their Dumber is 140. At that time total number of students in the country was "Some Vice-Chancellors spend their 1.5 crare whereas their present number is entire term of office behind barricades, 11 crores. Similarly, the number of teachers operating as \\-ell as they can, from was 7.5 lakhs earl ier whereas their present the:r houses .. The achievement of a number is 35 lakhs. At that time we used univetsity is Judged not on the basis of to spend hardly Rs. 100 crores ·on the quality of its research or the com- education, but now we are spend ing Rs. petence of its studen ts, but by its 6,000 crores annually on education. These adherence to the schedule of examina- are our figures. The country should also tions and the prevention of forced be told that we has made a provision of closures. only Rs. 2,514 Cfures for education in the Sixth Plan, whereas in the Seventh Plan "The numb~r of effective working days we have made a provision of Rs. 6,382 in a year even according to the schedule crores for educati on. This is the condition is far below desired levels. The inter- of education in the country and on the nal efficiency of the higher education basis of this very education, the scientists system is extremely low. This is of our country have made this achievement evidenced not only by the poor quality in the field of technology. We should of courses. but also by the large consolidate the position if there are 35 number of drop-outs and failures lakhs teachers and 11 crore students in our which together account fur more than country. We should work for consolidation 59 per cent of the stud~nts· enrolled, and not for total ch.lnge. It will be more representing a colossal waste of practical. resourrces. n

Sir, I have mentioned physical figures (Trans lation] just now. Now, I would Hke to humbly sublnit in a velY few words as to what This is the challenge before us. How action we should take in regard to our will we improve the conditions? If we physical targets. We should have pract ical are able to improve the conditions. we will approach with regard to education. There be able to nleet this challenge of education. Motion Re : Challenge 0/ DECEMBER 10, 1985 Educaiiou-A PoliCY 340 PerspeCtive [Sbri D. P. Yadava] Schedu led Tribes are not beiDI given reservation. The reservation formula In the end, Sir, I would like to put should be implemented in a proper forward a few sugg~stions. When a manner. s'tudent is given admission against reserva- tion in the Eng ineering and Medical I would also like to add that you Colleges, peop1e say that standard of should go ahead very cautiously in respect int~lljgence would be affected and therefore, of adult education and non-formal educa- there should not be any res~rvation. How tion. I cannot say anything about other far is it justified if a s~udent getting 35 o~ states, but I would Jike to say about Bihar 40 per cent marks is given admission aft~r where provIsions regarding adult education taking donations? Mr. Rao. I, therefore, and non-formal education are on papers' would like to subnlit that a legislation only. The· implementation of these· should be passed and rules framed to b1 n provisions is confined to purchase bulbs schools and colleges as well as Engineering durrees etc. and submission of the report and Medical Colleges getting donat ions. la Government should pa y attention towa rds tbis way 'quality' goes down. Besides, this aspect also. rich persons are abl-: to get anything I would like to take one minute more easily. It means that the rich persons and it will be my last point. Sir, instead having resources can enjoy every fac;Iity of making changes in the education system, and the PJor having no resources become the system should be strengthened. Streng- helpless. then the system. Simply changing the The second thing that r \Vt1uld 1ike to policy will not do ... say is that many g~v~rnm;!at schools do SHRI RAM NAGJNA not have even blackb)ards and rlllny others MISHRA: Besides strengthening the system, changes do not have any building. Many s~hools should also be made. do not have drinking water facility arid many others do not have any lavatory. SHRI D. P. Y ADA VA: Changes wil1 I mea n to say that if we talk of bringing come automatically as and when science about radical changes in the education will advance and science will~ come system with out ensuring the min imum automatic~lIy in the pipeline. Many of requirements in government schools, it may our institutions will take care of it. That ·be a good subject to be written in flowery is why education system should be streng- English or Hindi by our officers, but thened. Education should be such as practically y.)u will be only disappointed. may give equal sta t us to the p~n and pick- Perhaps after a period of 2 to 4 years you axe. With these words, Sir, I thank yo u may also be disappointed in this country for giving me an oPPJrtunity to speak. like Shri D.P. Yadav, Shri K C. Pant and Moulana Azad.

In the end I would 1ike t(l say one thing SHRI JAGANNATH RAO (Berham- more, The Scheduled Castes and the pur) : Our education. system so far has Scheduled Tribes have a definite reservation not been successful in building up all-round in government services, but when the personality of the students. The objec- question of getting enrolment in a univer- tives laid down in the Constitution have sity or a college arises, why the reservation not b~en applied at all. Nothing has formula is not implemented in a proper been ach ieved. This system has no rela- manner? The University Grants Commi- tion to social development or to the natural ssion, which gives grants worth lakhs and envilonment. crores of rupees to them but has no control on the admission of students of Sir, the main purpose of Education the Tcheduled Castes and the Scheduled is not only to get a degree or a diploma Tribes. There is no check to ensure their but to see that the person develops his admission in proper ratio. What is all personality in all spheres, so that he can this happening? It is nothing but arbi- feel proud that he is a human being trary manner of functioning in the big belonging to independent sovereign republic institutions. The Scheduled Castes and and he has a right to live, thouah 341 Motion Re : Challenge of AGRAHAY ANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Education-A Policy 342 , . . Perspective he' may be poor, as citizen of a free values in the minds of our st uden ts. No country. The present education system attempt is made to teach them that in a has no relation to all these factors. We democracy decisions are taken by consenSUI are grateful to the Prime Minister for and by majority; no attempt is made to bringing Human Resources Development teach them about the values of secularism under one umbrella dealing with all allied and how violence has no place in the subjects which is very necessary for a scheme of things. We have got so many young man to develop his full personality. religious communities and so many different Sir, there is no b:!tter choice to head this faiths in our country_ Students should be Ministry than the present incumbent taught about toleration but this is not Mr., P.V. Narasimha Rao who is a literary done. This aspect is tota1Jy ignored. We figure and a master of so many languages. have to teach young students many of Therefore it is a good augury and I am these things because these years 7 to 14 sure that this new Department set up at years are the formative years. This is the the Centre by P(me Minister will certain1y period when they should be given the succeed in its aims and objectives. foundation on all these aspects so that they can prove themselves to be worthy The system today is haphazard; only citizens of our great country. An by memorising things and pass;ng examina- atmosphere sh.)utd be created in this tions, degrees and diplom~s are obtained. regard. I am sure this new policy state- Now, take Elementary Educafion. What ment will help us to implement these is being taught has got no relation with objectives. nature and surroundings of the young Our Constitution sp~aks of equal status boy, nor that of the national interest or and equal opportunity. All p.::ople have national developil1ent which are very equal ~tatus and equll opportunity,. which necessary. The type of schools that we is the basic principle of Socialism. nave are ill-equ·.pped. Trained teachers 16,00. brs. are not there. There is only one teacher in some schools, for at I classes. The As a citizen of the country-he may teacher sometimes sub-contracts to another b~ poor-he is entitled to the same privi- to teach, who has neither the exp~rience leges and same rights as any other person nor the qualification to teach. There are who is better placed in I ire. This fraternal no laboratories. There are ilO black- feeling brotherhood is also to be taught. boards. What do you expect the young Young boys who are born now do ~ not child to learn from such schooJs? The know the freedom movement, about the first thing we should see is to ensure that leaders who had sacrificed their 1ives, who these schools are well equipped. Ail the had got freedom for the country by the tools should be there for '-.eaching the wr.!apon of non-violence, Satyagraha. They students. That is very necessary. If the should b~ taught these lessoils what Government of the State. is not able to do Gandhtji stood for what he preached and it, t'hen, the local community should come what Nehru practised and how he wanted forward and aid the Government to see the country to develop. He wanted India that proper buildings are provided for the to develop on m::-dern lines, on the Jines schools and if any repai r is needed, those of science and technology_Science and repairs are carried out to the building. If technOlogy should b~ given a pride of blackboard is needed, they should' be place, even in the school curriculum of provided. If text books are needed, these elementary education. Lesson should be should be given to thl! students. In other taught on science and technology. They words, the village commun ity should should be taught lessons in agriculture, identify with the d\.fvelopment of Education pisciculture and cattle breeding because in fU,ral areas. It is the duty of the these are the vocations that are available community as well. in the rural areas. Everyone should not be made to think in terms of jobs, employ- Sir, the Constitution itself speaks of ment because employment is not possible Secularism, Socialism and Democracy. to everyone. Therefore. this vocational But no lessons are given in such subjC'cts; aspect of education should also be given no attempts are made to inculcate these a stress to include it in the curriculum. 343 Morioll Re : Challenge 01 DECEMBER 10, i985 Educative-A Policy 344 Perspect Ive [Shri Jagsnoath Rao] and discoveries so that we are not left behind. Therefore, the lives of £:-eatmen who led So, in the education system, it is Dot the freedonl movement should also form that we are changing the pattern. But we the subject of education at the school are only changing the curriculum, syllabus stage. and the mode of teaching. Shri D. P. Yadava said, there is no point in changing 16.01 hrs. the system. We are not changing the system. We are imparting certain [SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJESWARI values to the students which were not given in the Chair] to them earlier. It is because, we have to build up character of an individual. Noth- About universalisation of education, ing has been taught about character. There- article 45 of the Constitution has nut been fore, the lives of greatmen like Gandhiji and given effect to. At least, I am sure that Nehru are taught in schools so that they now in the Seventh Plan, every S!ate would win learn from them and try to become strive to see that all children up to the as good individuals as those leaders were. age of 14 yeals are given free educativn. Therefore, the paper has brought about To prevent dropouis, incentives should all the salient features of the type of educa- be given such as ullifol III free mid-day in that the country needs today and the meal, supply of text books and so on so changes that arc required to be introduced that there will b.! incentive f0f them to tion the present system. I am sure, this remain themselves in the s..::hools and not system will come into force during the to drop<~ut. Thes;! are some of the S\!venth Plan all over the country and will measures wllL;h are to b;! t.lken in educa- bring about a revolut iODary change in the tion so that it b~com~:) a su.;cess. This is sy,tem of education. about elementary education. We must bring about new, dynamic and At the s~condary stage of education, young persons with good character who can 10+2 stage they should b:! taught vo:ati\Jnl I see the 21st Century. Moral values have courses in agricu1tu:'e, veterinary science, gone to the winds. Moral values have cattle breeding, pisciculture and so on. failen more steeply than money values. These are the vocations that are available Unless a man has character and is morally in the rural areas. It is because every boy strong, the education has no meaning. who comes from an agriculturist family must Therefore, we have to build up the perso- know something of agriculture, something nality of the individual, all round perso- of pisciculture, s.._;mething of catt.le breeding nality, so that he can be a useful citizen, so that he can be useful to his own family useful to himself and to the community and to the community. and to the country.

This is the vision of Pandit Jawaharlal At the college and university level, Nehru. That is why he created all these science and technology is to be imparted to things from the womb to the grave. He has the students We are in the age of science laid down formative schemes included the and technology. We can ignore it only at Plan documents and they have been imple- our peril. Therefore, they should be given mented all these years. But now with greater lessons in science and technology so that vision, education should form the core of scientific temper which has been created the Plan along with otber important in the country by Panditji when he started a subjects. 3% allocation of GNP is not series of laboratillries all over the country sufficient. It should not be less than 6%. is developed so that the country can Every rupee that is allocated should be proceed and develop on scientific and tech- spent properly to achieve the results . Dological g rounds. Otherwise, there is no expected. scope for further development. We are in a fast moving world. What is valid in I congratulate the Prime Minister for technology today becomes obsolete the the initiative he has taken in creating tbis next day. Therefore, you have to be in new Department and also I complement the tune with these recent, Jatest innovations Minister Shri P. V. Narasimha Rao wbo is ~4S Motion Re : Challe"ge of AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Educatilln-A Policy 346 ;) Perspective

competent to see through all these plans continues. If you \\-ish to say more on which are envisaged in the document. that, I have no objection. But I would like to save time. SHRl A. E. T. BARROW (Nominated Anglo-Indians): Madam, I would like SHRI A. E. T. BARROW : It would firstly to draw your attention to what I like it to go on record in the House. I consider a glaring omission in the document want to go on r~cord. and then, if time permits, I will deal. ,,:ith PROF. N. G. RANGA : It is a ques- the documerlt itself. The glaring omlss1o~ tion of time. in the document is the omission of any reference the educational rights of minori- SHRI A. E. T. BARROW : It is my ties. time and I want to emphasise this point. I want it to go on record. In the 1968 National Policy on Educa· tion I was a Member of the Committee MR. CHAIRMAN : Please cO!ltinue. which drew up that policy-sp.:cial mention in that policy statement has been made of SHRI A. E. T. BARROW : It is not the educational institutions conducted by to have a pampered and privileged section minori ties. The policy emphasised that of society but to give to minorities a sense minorities have a special place in the of security and 'a feeling of confidence. national system of eduction. It is an internationally accepted principle to'protect the educational rights of That statement referred to the special the minorities. In 1921, Albania, after safeguards provided in Articles 29 and 30 joining the League of Nations-subsequent and also made special reference t,,) the to its joining the League of Nations-signed direct ive given in Article 350A of the a treaty for its minorities. In 1933 Albania Constitution. wanted to do away with all private It a Iso referred to certain resolutions educational institutions on the ground that and statements laying down the administra- it was doing away with the majority as well tive procedures to be adopted in respect of as minority institutions. This wac; referred minorities and made special reference to the by the League of Nations to the Perm:lnent Provincial Education Ministers Conference Court of International Justice at the Hague. in 1948 laying down the provisi\)n for The Court with laid down two very impo. imparti ng education at both the primary rtant principles-the principle that the min- and secondary stages. orities have the right to preser ve their lan- guage, script and culture and the important It also emphasised that in a memo- principle that the minorities are to be given randum laid on the Tables of both Houses a differential treatment so that they will of Parliament in 1956, after taking into have equality in fact and not only equality consideration the report of the States in lClw. These two principles have been Reorganisation Commission, certain other accepted by the Supreme Court of India: safeguards should be prov ided. This in the 1974, in Ahmedabad St. Xavier's document has completely omitted any refe- College SOciety Vs the State of Gujarat rence to minority inst itutions. case, Mr. Justice Mathew, on behalf of the I wish to emphasise that educational 9-member Bench-there was a dissentinl judgment-stated. protection given to minor ities in the Constitution has been done with a very --Equality in Ja\\' precludes discrimi- good reason and I win, with the permission nation of any kind; whereas equaliy in of the House, go into the background of fact may involve the necessity of this. different treatment i~ order to attain a SHRI. P. V NARASIMHA RAO : result which estab lishes an ("'quilibrium between different situations." There is no need of that. Y uU can go on to the next point. It is well taken. It is If you go into the histo ry of what not a poli~y document. You need not happened in the Constituent Assembly, you discuss about it. We have accepted it. It will see that Sardar Patel propounded thiS 347 Motion Re : Challenge of DECEM~ER 10, 1985 Education-A Policy 348 Perspective [Sbri A.E.T. Barrow] it is happening, in the Union Territory of before the Advisory Committee on Minori- Delhi that regulations are passed, orders ties in 1947. are passed and in the States. Acts. Bills are passed aod the minorities have to go " ... It has been claimed on behalf of the Bri- to court. Canno~ this be vetted by a legal tish Government that they have a special ceIl in the Ministry to see that the minori- responsibility. a special obligation, for ties are not subjected to harassment? protection of the minorities. They claim to have more special interest than I would like now to t\lrn to the docu- we have. It is for us to prove that it ment itself. The documen t, I want to is a bogus claim, a false claim, and that point out, has admitted certain failures. nobody can be more interested than us These failures are; it failed to implement in India in the protection . of our the 1968 policy, the enrolment at the

minoritjes. H primary stage itself has little significance as the drop out rate is 77%, in 1981 there Prof Ranga may remember that Shri were 437 million illitera tes and th at by K.. M. Munshi and Shri Mahavir' Tyagi 2000 AD there \vill be 500 million illite- wanted that the special safeguards which were rates, when we became independent, we then in Clause 18, our present Articles 29 bad 300 million illiterates. I know that and 30 of the Constitution, should be there has been a population explosion. referred to the Advisory Committee because they wanted to see what Pakistan was going [Translation] to do. Dr. Ambedkar said this: "Now, Sir, with all deference, I must SHRI RAM NAGINA MISHRA deprecate any such idea. Rights of (SaJempur) : What was the population at minorities should be absolute rights. that time? They should nut be subject to any [ English] consideration as to what another party may like to do to minorities within its SHRI A.E.T. BARROW: That is what jurisdiction. " I am saying. I am not ci ting this to crit- "We have said that no minority shall be cise the Governn:ent. I am citing this to precluded from establishing any educa- show that the finance available for educa- tion is not sufficient for us to have an tioal institutions which such minority may wish to establish ... " effective educational system. What are we getting? From the 7th Plan we are I will not go into this any more. I on ly getting 3.4~ ~ for education, Sports, Culture wanted to add. for the record that there and what have you? You are getting have been a catena of cases decided by the about 6000 crores of rupees. It will take Supreme Court laying down certa in over Rs. 6000 crores if we are to implement principles which should govern the control the promise that is being given to the and regulation of minority institutions. people that by 1990, there will be a But I say with regret that, in spite of these Universal Elementary Education. judgments by the Supreme Court, the minorities have still to go to court to have In the Plan, as far as I know, only their rights vindicated -with the whole Rs. 2000 crores has been earmaked for series of judgments, with this background ... universalisation of Elementary Education, MR. CHAIRMAN: Please try to some is expected to be done in the nOD- formal sector. But with this' finance how conclude. can we implement any effective educational SHRI A.E.T. BARROW: With all this~ policy? We must have other sources of where do we stand '1 The minorities should finance. They may be marginal, but they win not have to go to the courts to have their help. Here are some sources Can't we have rights vindicated. I have pleaded in the income tax act amended ? 1 am speaking another forum with the Minister and I from the memory. I think it is Section plead again over here that in our "olicy 80-0 of the Income Tax Act. Thi! Section statement we should ask every Ministry of gives remiSSion of tax for donations to Bducation in the States and at the centre- family planning. Why can't that Section 349 Motion Re: Challenge 01 AGRAHAYANAl9, 1907 (SAKA) Educatlon-A Policy 350 Perspective

be amended to give a 100010 remission for advocated that by a gradual process the donations to education? Why can't a present B Ed cOurse should be phased out special tax be levied on Commercial houses, and a four year inte'grated course leading Multi nationals which give big dividends to B.Ed in science or B.Ed in Social to their shareholers? These are organisa- Science, etc should be introduced so that tions which draw heavily on personnel from we have our trainees tnake up their minds " our universities, let them be taxed and let at the plu~ two stage that they are g ling to that money go to the universities. be teachers and we do not get persons who because they do not get any other jobs PROF. N.G. RANOA: For elementary come into the teaching profession by just \ education? going through the one year B. Ed course which is entirely the suitable to make them SHRI A.E.T. BARROW: Whichever proper teachers. stage you want to give it. I am "trying to "\ be reasonale : they get our graduates from I want also to deaJ with improvement the uni versit ies and they don't spend a of the quality of education. Now the single paisa on them. Minister will be one with me that we must have considerable and drastic changes in In America the commercial firms spend Our Examination System. I am not going money. They have t) spend money to go into it at any length. But I think he to train people to come and work will agree with me that this must be for them. Here what happens ? Our done. students are trained and these commercial firms take them over, let us impose some There is one thing about which I feel sort of a tax. very strongly. Unfortunately these benches are empty, because-They will oppose me In my budget speech I .had highlighted on this. We must divorce politics from the need to harness industry to give education at the University stage. I have technical training; to enact legislation nothing against universIty students ... which would make it compulsory for every industry to have a technical training insti- PROF. N.G. RANGA: It will never happen. tution, financed by it, manned by it and to give the training which it will require SHRI A.E.T. BARROW: It can happen, for that industry. These are sources of we are old-you and I. Let us look to the finance for education and it will benefit future. Anything can happen and nothing our youth as far as employment is con- can happen. As I was saying when I was cerned. interrupted, let our young men study the ideolugies of the different parties let them As far as the delinking of degrees from form their own judgment, don't cramp jobs is concerned, this is an old concept them, but don't have elections in Univer- but it has never been carried out and I sties; elections of teachers, elections of agree with it a hundred per cent. But you students to university bodies. have to take into consideration that we have got thousands of colleges which are In the Visva Bharati Bill we have ordinary degree colleges and I believe there ensured that there wil1 be no elections. Let are over 211,000 teachers in these colleges. the . teachers b~ there by seniority and So this Ylilt have to be a very slow process rotation, let th~ students be there by virtue because these teachers will have to be of merit and I hope that the Government catered for; they cannot just be thrown out will come forward with a Model Education of employment. If we are going to delink Bill for our Universities. Once this is degrees from Jobs and I egree with the done, I think". principle let it be a phased programme. It cannot be a programme that can be ~fR. CHAIRMAN Plea~e now carried out overnight. conclude.

Then 1 wish to emphasize that the SHRI A B.T. BARROW: One point Quality of our tcachers is very hopelessly more and 1 will finish. We want the 10 plus iDadequatc. In another forum I have 2_ system to continue! but can't we ask our 3S1 Motion Re : Challenge of DECEMBER 10, 1985 Educatlon-A Policy 352 Perspective

[Shri A.E.T. Barrow] I would like to say that the study' of psy- chology should be made compulsory from Universities to change to 3 year course and the very beginning under our education to upgrade their syllabuses. I am connected system so th~t the teacher is in a posit ion with the schools and schools have reo to know the subjects in \\hich the child has organised their syllabuses but most of the the aptitude and, therefore. the stress laid Universities have done nothing. The result on those subjects only and he should be is that the standards in the Universities taught only those very subjects so that he are low. We get teachers from the Univer- could get expert knowledge about them and sties for our schools. Unfortunately, we get proficiency in them. cannot get them from any other source. What is the result 1 Teaching in the Besides, I would like to state that in r schools is deteriorating. the field of education, many persons have invested their private funds and have Madam Chairman, you have been very set up educational institutions in Haryana " gracious to me and I thank you. State and they are earning huge money by running them. What I mean to say is that [Translation] many people set up educational inititu- SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK tic-ns and er-rn a lot of money thereby and (Sonepat): Madam Chairman, today we have made education a business. They are having discussion with a view to give charge capitation fee and get donations a new shape to the education system. What from people. The country suffers a lot as should be the shape of the new Education a result t hereof. They go on building their Policy and to what extent the society can assests and they run these institutions in help in making that policy a success and the name of their castes such as a Jat bow this new policy will be able to meet school, Gaur Brahmin school or a Vaish the challenges of the future? \Ve have to School. I would like to say that the stu- consider all these things. dents and tcachcIs uf these institutions shoud not be compelled to study and teach Before I speak someth ing on the short- respectively on the basis of casteism from comings in the existing system, I would the very beginning. In addition, I would like to go into its backgr undo You know like to say that there are a numb.er of short that our initial education system was comings in the pr~sent education system. Macaulay type education system. It has If these shortcomings are removed, we will been in existence in the same cond ition be able to fornlulate the new education since 1881 till now except for few minor policy properly. changes. Bcf0re this discussion the new Education Policy was adopted in 1968. but The greatest shortcoming in our educa- neither adequate funds were made available tional policy is copying by students in to make it a success nor any special chan- examinations You see that at many places, ges were made to modify the education copying is allowed on a mass scale. Our system. I have not stud jed the paper pre· examination system should be ch3ngcd in sented in House, but I would like to say such a manner that students are unable to one thing of which I have had the practical resort to copying in the exalninations. The experience or which I have fel t even after students. who do not indulge in copying, student life. Under the existing education cram the lessons. It is also a shortcoming system a small child just admitted in our education system. Education is in a school for the first time has to carry meant to develop the mind of a child. a heavy load of books. The child is unable Passing the examination by cramming the to carry his heavy school bag. The number lesson for a while does not help impart of subjec.ts is also very large and the sub- good education. jects are such as Ytill have no use through- out his life. I would like to inform you Besides, we also see that at present tbat I had learnt Algebra in X ctaC)s. I education is very costly. The knew nothing about it even at that time wards of ordinary farmers and petty and I do not know anything about it even shopkeepers are not in a position to now. It did not prove to be of any use get education in good institutions. to IDe throughout my life. In this regard When they are not in a positj~n to Bet 3~3 Motion Re: Challenge of AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Education-A Policy" 354 Perspective admission in good schools. how will inte1ligent students try to get entry into they be able to stand in competi- I.A.S. or I.P.S. The person who are not tion with the students getting education in able to get job anywhere, get admission in good schools. That is why they cannot B.E

curb the teacher's initiative to been made in our education system so that stereotype curriculum, to promote there may not be much cord iaHty between mechanical and lifeless methods of Hindus and Muslims. Th~ Minister lnclurge teaching, to discourage all spirit of of India affairs. George Francis Hamilton experimenta tion and to place the stress had written to Curzon "The seheme of on wrong or unimportant things in text books for education should be formula- Education. " ted in such a way that the difference [Translation] between one community and the other community are widened more." This letter I am happy to note that in the docu- was written by Hamilton to Curzon on 26th ment prepared on our education system, March, 1888. As a result, the facts were the shortcomings of our education system distorted in such a manner that the differen- have been admitted with utmost honesty. ces between one commun ity and the other This is not a first attempt to bring about a continued widening. For example, Aurang- change in OUr education system. Earlier zeb has been depicted in our test books also in 1966, the Kothari Commission had as a cruel ruler, whereas he was a fanatic stated as follows : ru]er. There are temples of Mahakal at Mandu, where Aurangzeb had allotted land [English] to some PUJARIS so that they could wor- ship their gods. This fact has not been "What is needed is' a revolution in depicted in our text books so that our stu- Education which in turn will set in dents could not know about it. Shivaji has motion the much desired social, econo- been depicted as a Hindu ruler. It has not mic and cultural revolution. been mentioned that hIS secretary was Sheikh The social distance between the Hyder Kazi and his personal bodyguard rich and the poor, the educated aad as also Navy Chief was also Muslim. He the uneducated is large and is tending never differentiated between Hindus and to widen. Education itself is tending Muslims. Sinlilarly the battle between to increase social segregation and Rana Pratap and Akbar has been depicted widen class distinctions." as a battle between Hindus and Muslims. Whereas the fact is that there were forty {Trans/at ion] thousand Rajputs in the army of Akbar I would like to submit that the educa- under the command of Raja M:1n Singh. tion system should reduce the evils in our In Rana Pratap's army, a very large group society a nd should not increase them. The was working under the command of gap b,~,twecn the rich and tht' poor Hakim Khan Sood. All these facts should should also be reduced. The poor, the be taught to the students. I feel that it backward and the oppressed people c;hould would have a s:.lIutary effect on them and they will not p~y any heed to the comm- come forward and they should g~t an unal forces which are trying to disinteg- opportuni~y. Such an education syste:l1 is rate the coun~ry. required for our country. It is a matter of great pleasul e that efforts are b:!ing nlade Th~ text b')oks tell us that Tipu Sultan to delink the degrees from the jobs. It is was a ~Iuslim ruler, but we should not a very welcome step. The open Unlversity forget that his Prime Minister was a which you have started would be properly Brahmin and his army Chief, Krishna Rao, utilised only when requirement of degree was also a Hindu. Not only this, he for a job would not be so much as it is used to give grants to 156 temples every today, otherwise there would be so much year and he had even al10ted 'Jagirs' for rush of students that it would be difficult their maintenance and ffiloagement. Todays to manage such a huge rush. \Ve should the communal forces are working within make serious efforts to reduce the race of the country to disintegrate it and they people for degrees. The Text books have have vitiated the atmosphere. I am not been prepared in accordance with tae policy saying that all Hindus w\!re not fanatics of 'Divide and rule' of Britishers and accord- but they had SOine virtues also which ingly efforts have been lllade to widen the should be stressed and highlighted to the differences between various religions and children in order to aVDid any adv~rse various classes. Concert~d efforts have effect uU the 111iuds of the children. 359 Motion Rt : Challenge of DECEMBER 10, 1985 Educatlolf-A Policy 360 Perspective [Shri~ahendraSingh] was Rs. 295, in Andaman Rs. 267, in Madam, I would like to point out that Sikkim Rs. 238 and in . NagaJand Rs. 234 : we have been benefited very much by it was only Rs. 62 in Madhya Pradesh and Central Schools. When the employees are Rs. 52 in Uttar Pradesh. One is distress- transferred they do not face difficulty on ed to Jearn that even though Uttar Pradesh this account. There is need for opening and Madhya Pradesh are the two largest more Central Schools in the country so States in our country, yet the per capita that those who are transferred, do not expenditure on education is the lowest. face any difficulty. There is need to al10cate and spend more funds on education in the States where Madam, per head expenditure on the population is dense. education in the country is very low, particularly in the, backward states. In SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL the document titled 'Challenge of Educa- (Kopargaon): Madam Chairman, I am tion'~ it has been pointed out that there grateful to you for giving me an· oppor- are S lakh primary schools, 1.25 lakh tunity to express my views on the new middle schools, 11 crore stud~nts and 13 education policy. It is an important matter lakh teachers in the country today and and we cannot forget the fact that when Education gets maximum allocation after the late Prime Minister Shrimati Indira Defence in the Budget. These figures look Gandhi brought forward the 42nd Consti- to be attractive, but according to a recent tution Amendment, it was strongly opposed survey conducted by the 'National Council by many states. Not only this, even the of Educational Research and Training, people who were closely associated with the 95 per cent of amount allocated for educa- educational system as also the educational tion is spent on salaries, 2 per cent on experts had opposed it. Later on, when it administration and only 3 per cent on was included in the Concurrent List, we improving the quality of education and its came to understand its importance Cor the expansion. To improve the quality of sake of country~s unity and integrity, education and for child development, it is though during the A.I.C C. session some necessary to increase this percentage. persons had openly raised their voice Otherwise, the plight of our schools, against it. 'Today, as it is on the Concurr- which is bad due to lack (If even minimum ent List we have been able to discuss the equipments and buildings, will further country's education policy. We have deteriora te. recently constituted a new Ministry, Le., I am happy to note that the document the Ministry of Human Resources 'CbaUenges of education' has depicted the Development, and the matter is being factual position and it refers to fourth seriously thought over. I would like to All India Survey in this regard, according thank the Hon. Minister for placing to which there are no schools in 1.91 lakh before us this papei and would like him to villages, 10 per cent of the schools are ensure that the new education system is held in the open, 40 per cent of them do developed on democratic, socialistic, secular not bave permanent buildings, 40 per lines which is guaranted under the Constitu- cent of schools do not bave even black tion. Only then it would pelp in proper boards, 60 per cent schools do not development of all children. have dean drinking water and 3S per cent Though different parties of our country of should are such where one teacher takes have their own ideologies in this regard, but three to four classes together. As a resu] t as the Constitution guarantees egalitarian of tbis, whereas 100 children are admitted society and advocates socialism irrespect ive in primary classes, only 23 reach the of caste and creed, there is need to ensure middle class. Therefore, immediate atten- it as well. We can enter the 21st Century tion needs to be paid to all these things. only if we move in tbat direction and the In tbe end, Madam, I would )ike to new education policy lias to play a decisive draw attention to what the Hon. Minister role in ensuring social justice and economic said about the per capita expend it ure on parity when the new technology is in~o­ education during the year 1984-85. duced. The economic policy and the Aeeordioa to him, whereas the per capita education policy sbould go hand in hand. expenditure CD education in Cbandigarh If both of these are fOr'l\1ulated separately. 361 Motio".. Re : Challenge 0/ AGRAHA YANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Education-A Policy PerJpective it would not be in the interest of the daily in order to enable the student to earn country. while he ;s learning. Sir, I am running a college where the Sir, many Commissions and Commit tees scheme of provid!ng employment under have been set up in the country to bring 'While we learn, we wHI earn' is continuing about improvements in the education for the Jast 10 years. Many students, system like the Kothari Commission and whose parents could not provide food and Dr. Hussain Committee, but they have not education to them come to my college and been able to achieve the desired results. they earn while they learn' and they have The 10+2+3 systelu is in vogue for the last successfully passed out and are now 10 years in this country, but it took more Jooking after their parents. About 100 to than 5 to 6 years for all the States to 125 of them have become doctors and switch over to it. Despite this, all the Engineers. states are not in a position to provide vocational education under this system even now for 'Nant of funds. But, sir, unless we Sir, one thing more, about technology. introduced vocational education in our It is very essential that our rural children schools, it is useless to talk about dropouts are exposed to technology. Urbanisation because we are unable to impart education has resulted in population problem in the to hundred- pre cent children and even if villages and· this problem ic; getting acute. we may consider delinking of degrees, we The new education policy should ensure should not discontinue the same. How- introduction of modern technology- in ever, efforts should be made to help those education in remote areas and for that who are young or are less cd ucated through there is need for decentralisation. Its self-employment - and other schemes. The decentralisation is necessary. Therefore, employment should be such as may help more and more centres should be opened in raise the standard of living of the hungry, the villages to impart training in new the poor or the persons living below the technologies For this, community poly- poverty line. Serious thought should be technics ~hould be set up and other schemes given in this direction. They should be formulated in the education policy should encouraged to join technical courses There be implemented to the maximum extent. is no provision for technical manpower The infra-structure at present is in our planning, therefore, we should available only in cities. The big officers seriously think over it in relation to the will live in cities and no one will go to new education policy because we cannot villages to impart education. No Dew make progress and our productivity will schools will be opened there. not increase unless our children know about advanced technology, Germany I am talking cf the model schools. made progress and developed at a fast pace . Model schools should be of good standard. because they trained their workers and but unless we arrange for equal opportUlli- artisans and thereby increassed the ties of educati on for all, socialism is not productivity. In the new education policy going to come here, and prevailinl we shall have to think as to how we can disparity is not going to end. There should increase our productivity 1 be a uniform system of education for all- whether one is poor or rich, wheth~r one Sir, in this regard, due importance will is the child of a Minister or the have to be given to 'dignity of labour' along soo of an ordinary citizen. An the with education. If a poor worker goes to children should go to the same schools. a rich man's house or a Governme nt office At present, the rich by paying more in search of a job today, everyone stress at money, send their children ·oto good schools. him as if he is a foreigner. Therefore, we But when they will be taxed more they will shall have to ensure that whiJe getting not be able to do this. Therefore, the big education under "While we are learning, schools which charge large sums of dona- ~;e will be earning" scheme, ont is able to tions and say that they are functionilll earn something. The new education policy better will not be in a position to say so should provide for job-orientation in some on the other hand, if the Government lort of production for at least one bour schools are also provided with adequatO Motion Re : Challenge of DECEMBER 10, 1985 Educalioll--A Policy 364 Per.vpectiv6 (SJari Balasalleb Vikbe P atil] 16.59 brs.

funds by taxing the rich who pay huge [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the,Chairl , donations to private schools, then they too will have a strong infra-structure. Also, I would like to submit that with tbi-s a the ·system of running private schools process of bringing a big change'in the should be gradually removed. education policy of India has started and it is a welcome step. Under the leadersibip of , Expansion of women education sh:·uld Our young Prime Minister and the scholarly . also be encouraged. About the women Education Minister a process has star ted education, Mahatma Phule, a revolutionary for bringing a cbange in the education of Maharashtra had said that with the policy which will usher in a new atmosp- education of one woman, the whole family here. I would 1ike to submit that the most is educated. Therefore, women education important segment in the field of education should be expanded immediately. Unless is primary schooL The present condition you pay attention to thi<' aspect, it will be of the primary schools is no secret. difficult to make progress. 17.00 hrs. We are running womer polytechnics in The document reveals extensively that our area. Initially many educated people there are untrained teachers in these schools. objected to this. but now 50 girls have We have to see ~s to how a change can be become engineers there and are working in brought in it. When we want that the the factories in the villages. But this primary education should be compulsory, wcmen education should not be confined we should provjJ~ the r~quisite number of to onJy acadenlic schools, not nlere ly for tCJ.chers in these schools. In certain States producing teachers. I have seen abroad primary schools have been opened, but that there are many industries, not merely there are not sufficient teachers in propor·· electronics industries, where 80 per cent of tion to the number of students. The the units are being run by the women. condition of the States is known to you. Therefore, women education is a must. The States can neither spend much money, Unless we do this we will go on doing nor create new posts. That is why the injustice to the half of our population. primary schools in villages afe lying closed. The first step you should take is I do not insist on documentation. On to appoint teachers in proportion to the the other hand I would like to say that in number of students in the schools. Tho our coantry somethIng good is being done. target fixed for education can be' achieved Recently 40th anniversary of defeat of only by doing this. You should create fascism was celebrated in USSR. They teachers' post at the earliest and appoint prepared a document which says that they teachers in primary schools. Many had done a good job against fascism. The schools are lying closed due to shortage of 'Government should, on its own, go in for teachers .. We have seen that at certain documentation of those people who have places, teachers do not COlne to schools and done service to the nation before and after the schools remain locked. You should the independence and that should be sent Consider aU these things seriously. You to the schools and other educational see the situat ion in foreign countries. institutions so that people might come to There the best teachers are provided in the know about them. Prese n tly we are short primary schools. They are trained and of money, but we will have to resort to qualified. This is the reason that the national isation slowly and steadily, there is children educated in foreign countries conle no other alternative except this. out as very good citizens. We should brina a change in primary education. You SHRI GIRDHARI LAL VYAS (Bhit- cannot bring a large scale change. but that wara): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I want to express needs improvement. You have handed over my views on the document ·Cballenge of the primary schools to Panchayat Commi- Education--a policy perspective' presented ttees and district councils, and those by tbe Government and presently unde r schools are without black boards, fioormats discussion. and even buildings. There are 40 to SO 365 Motion Re: Challenge of AGRAHA YANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Education-A. PolicY 366 . PerspectIve

per cent places where these facilities are not fees of one hundred or two hundred rupees available. in public schools and on the other hand, there are primary schools where no facilities are available. Therefore, first of On the other hand we see that the child- all, you should pay special attention ren of the big people in society study in the toward this problem. public schools. We have to see as to what type of primary schools should be made Secondly, I want to draw your atten- available to thl~ 80 per cent of population, tion towards trade unionism amongst the living in villages. The children in villages teachers. As I am myself a trade unionist, do not get even b:)oks in time. That is I do not consider it bad but the way they why they are backward. I woald request work only for money and they talk only of the Hon. Minister to pay special attention their rights and not of their duties, that is to the prilnary education so that we arc not proper. The Government should ask able to prepare brilliant students. For this the trade unionists that along with their more and more funds need to be provided. rights, they should pay attention to their There are certain States which do not have duties also. I tIo not advocate that the funds and which cannot spend much on trade unions be banned, but the Govern- primary schools. The Centre should come ment must take definite steps to improve forward to help those backward States this situation. After discussion with the trade which have financial constraints. You have unions, the system must be streamlined. included 'Education' in t'hc Concurrent List. Therefore, it is your responsibility Now I will like to say something about also to see that thIS systelTI is strengthened the middle schools, secondary schools, and such a system is developl!d for the higher secondary schools and vocational primary schools tha t the children coming studies. In many States uptil now voca- out of them have sound background. tional education has not been properly in1plemented. Even in States like Maharashtra, this scheme could not be In public schools, all kinds of facili- implemented for 4 to 5 years, then what to ties are available; they have good trained speak of a backward State like ours. Due teachers. This is the reason that they come to lack of funds, the vocational education out as talented persons and become I.A.S., has not commenced there properly till doctors or engineers, but the children in date. \Vhen you want to impart vocational villages become merely school ma sters or 9 education, want to link it with vocations, 'Patwaris • it is then necessary to make them available adqeuate resources so that this education They have no further scope. Therefore, is imparted to them properly and they are it is ilnperative to change this system. able to get employment. You should either close down the public schools or provide for competition for I also submit that college education admission in those schools and whosoever should be restri~ied. Presently the students qualifies in the competition shl>uld be getting 45 per cent marks are able to get eligible to study in them. You should also admission to the colleges, but I am of the reserve in them a certain percentage for the view that there is no need to get the Scheduled castes, the Scheduled tribes and colleges so much crowded. You can impart rural areas so 'that they too can get a chance education through' correspondence. You to study there. The expenditure for are setting up a university for this. You their studies should be borne by the can open such universities in every State so Government. When the poor students that after higher secondary education, the get opportunities to study in the public . people, lnay get higher education from shool s, only then can the sense of equality these universities while they are employed. come, otherwise you can .never bridge the The college education should be restricted gap between th'e public schools and the to the highly intelligent students so that Government PI imary schools. Howsoever the country gets talented and scholarly hard you may try, you cannot ot herwise persons who may take the country forward end the difference because on the ooe side in every fieJd. It is only due to bad are the children whose parents pay monthly elClnents in the colleges, that the strikes I 367 Motion R~: Clrallenge of DJ3CBMBBR 10, 1985 EJucation.-A Policy. 36$ Perspective' [Sbri Girdhari Lal Vyas] I would like to make a submission to the and politicking are resorted to there. Only Hon. Minister. In the countryside, aid- third class students, who are not bothered cuitut'e is the' main pt'ofession and there- about their education, indulge in such fore, it is absolutely necessary that agri· activities. They are interested only in culture is prescibed as a subject at Higher strikes and leadership. Therefore, college Secondary level so that agriculture could education should not be allowed to such be improved. At least one or two Agri- people. You sl:lould spread education culture Universities must be established in through corresponde,nce. No one need to be each State. Agriculture is our main pro- stopped' from getting education. One can fession and the greatest source for earning pass B.A., M.A. etc., but college education our livelihood as also eighty per cent of should be restricted to only brilliant our population depends on agriculture. students. Because of this the talented Therefore~ such facilities should be provided persons \\

[Sbrimati Sushila Roba tgi] and decide to stay there. But due to situa- tion prevailing in our villages, cities and In fact, what is education? Should we the country, when they try to come back impart such a education which may not here. they find it difficult to come back. have any utility? Does a person become With a view to making things attractive for a good hU'T.an being if he or she speaks them, we should bring about improve- English or Hindi or any other language? The person, living in the countryside who ment. do not have any opportunity for education Also. are we able to assess the needs come out with brilliant success in life of our children properly? Even our young simply through hard work and dedication. generation is not able to make self-assess- But they are deprived of the pleasures of ment propely. If a child asks her mot her life, though they have the capacity. Is it to give him or her mil.k and that mother socialism or is it that ideology for w'iich does not have resources to provide even Gandhiji had given us inspiration to milk, not to speak of fruits and dry fruits, achieve? Is it that which Swami Vivekanand when the question arises about providing had preached us? Can we bring politics education to such a child what education in it? Do we have in m!nd as to what we would he be able to get? want to make our child? Would we b~ look- ing towards this also from political angle? We are making efforts these days to Should we not see from this angle as to bring the people above the poverty line in dens~ what we can give today to our citiz~ns, to our country_ There is population in the chUd who is taking birth today or our country. Despite that, we are making would take birth tomorrcnv or after one efforts for the last many yea.rs to have a year or as to v, h3t we have already given check on population and we have moved them? in this direction through Five Year Plans. I would like to submit 010St humbly that this is a historical moment Fair distribution of income and wealth when we are having a thorough discussion will take time. The 'Challenge of on our education policy or our education education' indicates as to how we can system. We have to be very vigilant increase the pace of this work and as to that our education should have a very how the gap between the rich and the poor good effect on the human beings and could be bridged. It continues to be a it should produce good citizens. With a big challenge before us even today. I view to produce good youths and good citi: congratulate the officers of the Ministry for zens. we would have to do a lot of work burning mid-night oil and putting in sincere from the very beginning. efforts in presenting all the aspects so clearly in a short ~pan of time. The If the set up of the soc iety is such that Parliament also has some duty. It is being people are living in poverty they have to seriously thought over con tinuously at all wQrk as bonded labour, and there is dirt levels for the past many months. Discus- all around, then Coln we expect the children sions have been held among e~perts, born in such circumstances to have their intellectuals and a cross section of soc iety full mental development ~ Hon. Member compris'ing men, women, students, parents bas rightly said that we should strive for on the national, State, regional and local brInging about equality betwe~n the poor levels and the conclusions and minutes were children and the children ~ho have studied sent to the Ministry, from time to time in big schools and have been born in big which considered them and presented those bungalows. Monetary policy, fiscal policy deemed proper. This is the highest forum of financial regulations etc. in our society re· the people in the country and we have repre- main static. But with the passage of time sentatives from all parts of the country, who expenditure is increasing. can ensure its implementation and suggest My poin t is that our Indian citizens are ways and means for further improvement very much respected ·today throughout the in it. A poltcy to ensure it will have to be world and people are also aware of their formulated. As 1 said in the beginning, capability. But our students who go there are historical moments in the counrry abroad are atracted by the glamour there and the present moment is one such 313 Motion Re :: Challenge of AGRAH AYANA 19. 1907 (SAKA) Educotion-A Policy 374 Perspective

moment when the people will be benefited secti ons too would be benefited from it ? by your suggestions. I would request all There is need to review it in the light of the hone Members, whether they are the policies and plans of the Government, present or absent, that they should give the party as also socialism to which all of suggestions irrespective of party affiliations us are committed. I was putting forth and politics should not be brought into it. some points before you. I am aware of The children of today will be citizens of certain matters. Before touching the tomorrow and every parents want that their degree stage I would ]ike to start at the children should make progress. All of us school level. Small children are forced to are aware of the plight of rural areas. We carry a big load of books. I would just have tried to improve it to a large extent- say that it is a sorry state of affairs. I would give the figures later on-but it has Innocent smile on their faces and mischie- been my sincere effort as a Minister, as a vous looks in th~ir eyes is gone. They mother and sister to see as to how these con tin ue to carry hea '''Y load on their requirements could be urgently met. b.acks. We have made the children Everybody wants that this should be done. prematurely old. The curriculum should be formulated in such a way, that they are Many of our shortcomings have been made to study lesser number of subjects pointed out and Wt! admit that there arc and thereby carry lesser load of books. The shortcomings, because had it been otherwise money they thus saved could be used for these would not have been highlighted. higher education. To make these institu- The most important thing in this regard is tions of b igher education, temples of that these shortcomings have to be removed learn ing, necessary provision should be and you should put..- forward your sugges- made. Besides we have the problem of tions to remove thein. There. is need to dropouts. There are ml.ny reasons for it, formulate a policy and adopt a new one of them being economic reason. The strategy to ren10ve these shortcomings. We parents do not bother much for girls. would welcome any practical solution or They are forced to fetch water and suggestion which could be applicable to the firewood from 'long distances and have to cities as weB as the rural areas. We shall face many other odds. That is why, there have to seriously think the way by which is widespread illiteracy among them. There the gap between the rich and poor is need to resolve their economic problem children could he bridged. and fa ise social consciousness among them. Immediate atte ntlon should be paid to The standard of educa tion is very low dropouts in rural areas. I would teU you particularly in schools which are housed in about the target of enrolment also. It has temporary structures and, therefore, there increased by four to five times in the schools with the increas~ in population. is need to "provide them with sufficient resources. This does not n'ean that I am If the dropout rate continues to increase, this target of enrolment 'will never be met. against public schools. I rrespective of party affiliations we have to work together Besides, there is need to look after adult- education. Once someone asked me at" the to raise their standard, this is a common goal for us. I would like then hone Rotary Club. Members to give constructi ve suggestions which may indicate the shortcoming in the fEnglish] policy and put it back on the rails so that What is the fastest means of communi. we could move faster. Very little time is cation 1 Some people pooled their heads left for the arrival of 21st century but it together and one of theIn, a very wise man, does not mean that we would make a leap said: "Well, the fastest means of communi- and reach there. The implementation of cation is the tekgram." And tbe other these decisions will take a long time and said, "No, the fastest means of communica- prior to that we shall have to seriously tion is a telephone." The wisest of them think on these matters and ensure whethe.r said "No, tell a woman." it is for the good of the country or not and to what extent we could implement them. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Tell a Which class wou Id be benefited nl0st as a women! Wonlen Wlll ~onvey every thiDa result therefore and whether the weaker still faster ! 375 Mot ion Re : Challenge of DBCB_R 10, 1985 Educatlon-A Policy 316 Perspective SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI: Though our men may have studied abroad, Well, you may take it in a 'humourous but are they able to prepare their' own mood; I did I]ot really m~n it ... breakfast~ bring up the children and do (Interruptions) other domestic chores even today?

[Translation] I would like to submit most humbly that if men cooperate in the Family I would like to say that give educati on Planning Programmes ... (Interruptions) to one woman and she would spread it to her family. Educating the family means SHRIMATI KRISHNA SARI: You educating society. have mis-understood me... (lnterruptloflS)

[E"glish] SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI : We should take education v~ry seriously ... THE MINISTER OF ENERGY (SHRI (Interruptions) VASANT SATHE): What she means is, teaching a women. [English] (Interruptions MR. DEPUrY SPEAKER: You adderss the Chair. Don't try to address SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI: I the other Melubers. think that it is a pretty job. You under- stood it rightly and I do not want to SHRIMATI SUSHlLA ROHATGI: I confuse the interpretation. am not taking it in a lighter vein, neither have I said it in a lighter vein because [Tra :slation] this is a serious subject. I am pleading with the hon. Members that in a question If a WOffilD is educated she learns to like growth of population ...... be hygienic. Sae learnrs about malnutri· don, disability ... (Interruptions) [Trans/at ion] [English] This is a serious problem and the gains MR, DEPUTY SPEAKER: I think she of development get neutralized as a result is already communicatina ! thereof. There are no two opinions about it. If the men have social consiousness ... I, [Trans lat ion] (Interruptions) SHRIMATI KRISHNA SARI: These things have been already raised by hon. [English] Members. I would request the hon. If you can educa te a woman that way, Minister to say something of her own .... it will be very useful. (Interruptions) SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH [ Trans lat ion] MALIK: Agreed, that it should be done, Besides adult education, I would like to but who will do it '1 highlight vocationalisation. It has been THE MINISTER OF HUMAN observed that when young persons get RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT (SHRI P.V. degrees, they have high hopes and that is NARASIMHA RAO): I would tell you, but natural. Even today many parents in who bas to do it and who will do it. the villages mortgage their Jands in order to enable their children to acquire degrees. (Interruptions) Later on the children find that his future is SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI: I dark. They find that the piece of paper would like to ask you a question as you i.e. degree is not able to help them in life. have raised this point. Regarding family Even if SO per cent of them get Jobs, planning, I Jould like to point out that these have nothing to do with their degrees. you may ask any woman whether she would As a result a person becomes misfit in his like to have a big family or not. She has Job. I would, therefore, like that degree to bear the entire respons\biHty and be deUnked from jobs. I would \ike my burden-both physical and mental. coUelues to express their views in detail on 377 Motion Re : Challe ge 01 AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Education-A Policy 378 Perspective

this important matter. When the unemp- they should be provided with uniforms and loved youth go in search of jobs, they are other facilities. It is expected that much disa'l'Pointed and this· results in provision of about Rs. 80 crores would be resentment among them against the present made for this- purpose. education system. This causes frustration Similarly, we see thut a lot of people and leads to violence. The entire society are deprived of education. They join the is affected thereby. schools but cannot pursue their studies

Regarding higher education.. !" • further. They drop out in the middle of (Interruptions) studies. Only a few lucky l'orsons are able to pursue higher studies. [English] A large number of people do not get May I request the hon. lady Member to education. That is why we have laid more allow me to speak? J would like to be emphasis on non-formal education. An educated by her a little later .... open university has been set up in the name of Shrimati Indira Gandhi. We are MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You getting very en~ouraging reports regarding address the Chair. Do not look that side. the non-formal education being imparted in SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI. I our schools. We intend to deve lop it even look at you. They should aJso Jook at further. you. There are different levels of our ( 1nt errupl ions) education. In many private schools, SHRI RANA V1R SINGH: (Kaiser- capitation fee is charged from the students. ganj) Sir, put a man between these The thinking of Government in this regard two ladies. Shri Ghulam Nabi Azad on is clear and our hon. Minister will also that side and Shri Nawal Kishore Sharma throw light on it. on this side, both are ineffect ive, somebody else may be put in between. Reference bas been made about the model schools of excellance. These things SHRI VASANT SATHE: Are you im- need tremendous eifJrts. This is not such puting motives to Sharmaji ? a thina as to start work on it just for a show and after two months work on it THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE might be stopped on the plea that it is MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM ~ AND incomplete. We have to start work on it NATURAL GAS (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE with sinceI ity, honetly and courageously, SHARMA): Why are you bnnging me in which are the majn features of our this 'I Government. Before taking up the work we wi)] have to satisfy ourselves and elicit (Translation) the opinions of the people in this respect and then implement the scheme. This SHRIMATI SUSHILA ROHATGI : So responsibility rests on us. for as the education of women is concerned, our Prime Minister has already spoken Regarding model schools, I have to say about it. You have also seen that we have that there are good features of this scheme. been making tremendous effort for the Till now good education bas not reached propogation of education among girls and the countryside. We are going to open we will continue to make efforts in this one model school in every district. Thus .direction in future as well. This is a very students from the villages wiJl join these bold step. As Shri Narsimha Rao has said, model school in large numbers and take making provision of money is not in my advantage of good education. Beside this~ control or his control or in Prime Minister's fr~ education will be provided to the hand. So far as the question of spending poorer children. Hostel flciHty will also money, which is collected from the people be provided to them. This will improve is concerned, we. have to determIne the, their standard of education. As there will l)riority. If you look at the priority, you be a common curriculum in schools, it will win Bnd that we are laying areat emphasis belp in creating a sense' of national unity on tbe education of girls. We want that in the minds of the students. They will 379 Motion Rt: Chanenge 01 DECEMBR 10, 1985 Educatlon-A Polley 380. Per spective [SbriDlati Sushila Rohatgi] himself an Indian. It should enable him grow as strong and comp~tent citIzens. to become self-respecting citizen of India That is why I wou1d ]ike to submit that we and also be able to synthesize our old have taken a few steps in this direction. traditions with the new sciences and Mahatama Gandhi had said :- technologies. [English] MR. Deputy Speaker, Sir. with these words, I express my thanks to you. "Mass iUiteracy is India's sin and shame and must be liquidated. Of [English] course, literacy compaign must not begin and end with the knowledge of SHRI MADHUSUDAN V AIRAL~ the al.phabet. It must go hand in hand (): Sir, I welcome the invitation with the spread of useful knowledge." that has been just given by the Hon. Minister of State to give some very [Translation] concrete suggestions and thought on the It is the question of development of paper which has been circulated to all the useful knowledge of skills, vocationalisa- Members. I am glad that' under the tion and polytechnics; our women are dynamic leadership of our Prime Minister taking advantage of the neighbourhood. this very bold step in the history of our There is vast scope for it. We have country was been taken for the first time to take it to the lakhs of villages and a very important national debate has situated in our country. This has shown been started on the subject like education. good results in those areas where education For the last two days we have been witnes- is being imparted in polytechnics. A sing that all over the country there are healthy and good atmospher e is being symposia, there are meetings and there created and the people are taking advantage are discussions which relate to this policy. of it. Work on all these things is going on This document itself-Challenge of Educa- in right direction. tion-I must congratulate those who have prepared it. They have tride to go into Sir, J will not take much time of the details as much as possible. But before Member and would like to request them giving my suggestions, I would like to that if they find any deficiency in the point out certlin limitations which scheme, th ey should point it out forth with. probably the authors of this document They should also teU as to how the might be having. deficiency could be removed and what alternative arrangments should be brought Here in this dL)cum~nt we have in its place and what will be its time bound m~iltioned few things. One is; how much programme. If the deficiency cannot be expenditure we are incurring on the subject removed immediately, then they should tell of education. Fortunately I must admit us as to what changes could be brought in that the nalne of the Department has been it. It is easy to demol ish the structure changed from the D~partment of Education which has been buil t up over the tilne, to the Department of Development of but it is very difficult to build a completely Human Reso'Jr~es which include many new structure. We have a new stage, a new more subjects than education alone and chapter and a new chaUenge before us. We such a comprehensive Department was the have a new slate before us and whatever requirement of the InO£1l:!nt in the country we write over it will have effect on the and a step has b.!en taken at the right future generations. The education, health moment. and all these things win be linked with it. I WOUld, therefore, say only this much I am referring to page ~4, of the that some wayout should be found and we document. In 1982.. 83 we spent Rs. 5185.9 should also see as to what could be phased crores on education. It seems that this is out and what can be brought in its place the central figure. The expenditure that so that the education might become useful is being incurred by the States is altogether and realistic and it may help in the all different and if we include that expenditure round development of a person. Education in this figure, the expenditure wiIJ be much should be such as to make the person self- more and education is our second priority reliant and be may be proud in calling after defence and definitely we must 3dt Motion Re : Challenge of AORAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKAl Educatfon-A Policy 382 Perspective all these teachers sitting in their chairs '1 be proud that we are trying to spend as Are all these teachers motivated persons? much amount as possible on this subject. I am not trying to blame any body. It is At the same time, because this expenditure just a description of the situation. I am is reflected in creation of new teacher who not trying to criticise because I myself am are required to run the system of education- a son of a teacher. Most of the members on page 23 the figures have been men.. of my family are in the teachers~ cadre. tioned-the percentage of trained teachers So, I am not trying 10 criticise but as my bas increased from. 56.1 <% in 1949-50 to friend has just now pointed out that 88.4% in 1982-83. While discussing this I teachers are also organis ing themselves in must point out one thing to the hon the form of a trade union. They bold Minister. Again here I would like to tell symposia on their rights and tbe pay that . this increased percentage of trained increase but never about their duties. teachers necessarily does not retlect the quality of education and whether the In the rural areas there is a substantial quality of education has improved or not. percentage of teachers who do not attend Fortunate)y, the hone Minister who is in their schools. In the season when there is charge of this Department happens to be agricultural work they go for a nlonth or two as man of literature himself. He himself to their villages and in the meantime they o so much connected with the literary put some temporary unemployed feilows fctivities that we have very high hope to sit in their chai rs. I talked to an !rom this eminent literary personality in Opposition member. He also said that in aur country. his State the sanle thing is happening. If this is the state of affairs at the stage of While describing the deficiencies in this primary education then how can we document, they have pointed out quite a expect that the foundation s of our educa- few things and I would like to add some- tion will be strong. There are schools but thing to it. While discussing tbis if the teacheJ s are not motivated and document-as it is a free debate and there they do not want to do their work sincerely are no party barriers while discussing this or we are not able to give them inspiration subject, I would like to point 0 ut that the to do their work with patriotic spirit then reality is much worse than that has been all the schemes will prove to be a failure. reflected in this document. Because this subject happens to be concerning both the Secondly I would like to point out that Centre and the States, the situation in we talk of the objective of education. different States is different. To-day in my Today really I feel frustrated about the state State, -though the hon Members from of affairs in the field of education. As an Raja~than have said that ou r State of MP and a public worker everyday I get Maharashtra is a very progressive State- at least twenty to twenty-five letters from let me tell them that we have decentralised graduates ~nd post-graduates but I find they the system and we have adopted the cannot WrIte even ten to twenty lines Panchayat system where they have entrus- correctly. ted an primary education to the Zila Panchayats. In some States the primary education has been entrusted to Panchayat Sir, what is the systenl of examination Samitis and we must remember that primary today 1 We are reading in the newspapers education is the very basis of the whole that in one St~te there was agitation that f)olicy of education in the cou.ltry. all the students who have failed should be If the primary education does not have a dec,tared as pass. At some examination foundation strong enough, then all the hall the students kept knives and daggers education systenl is bound to collapse. on their desks so that invigilators should not catch them. There was a news about What is the situation in the field of two-three years back that j::st in front of the primary education this country today '1 examination hall they put up 10l'J-speaker iR S In my own district alone there are more on the trees to dictate the answt.rs to th than J 1,000 primary teachers. You can students. Now, how hes this bappened 1 we e imagine the number of students. Are all have to find out the reasons and see tha these teachers teach ing their pupils 1 Are something is done to check this growingt 383 Motion R, : Chal1t"ge 0/ DECEMBER. 10. 1985 ·Educatltm-A Policy 384 . Perspective [StIr. Madhusudan Valralel Agarkar, Mahatma Phule and Dr. ICarve. tendency. Many a time when we try to There are 80 many in West Bengal. They teach discipline it is called undemocratic or tried to bring the education for a social or anti-national by such section of people. change. Sir, what have aU these education There is no dearth of leaders in this factories produced? What is the result country. today? Everyday we are discussing If the rul ing party people do not listen burning problems like dowry, etc. Those them. they go to some Opposition party are the educated peopJe who are demanding and there are so many leaders like me in a price trom the girl and if these factories this country who are always wanting to of education, may they be universities or get some followers on some pretext or other colleges, may they be High Schools, and they come forward to take them because condtinue to manufacture or produce such a leader happens to be a person who people who demand dowr ies, I think that wants to get publicity and whatever the instead of running such factories we should cause, he starts shouting. Sir, education burn such factories. has also been a victim of this tendency in MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now-a-days this country unfortunately. Sir, what is the it is not like that. The business people state of affairs in the universities? You are demanding more because the education will be shocked and surprised to 1m ~ w that is of no use to them. They are feeling like in one Agriculture University-my friend that. Mr. Vikhe PatH was going to state and SHRI MADHUSUDAN V AIRALE : because of short of time, he could not do- Unless they know how to write their one student was given Ph.D. on a subject accounts, they don't bee orne business people. because he wrote a thesis that m ix-ed So, this is the situation. I am trying to cropping pattern increase production. The do it as self-criticism and as we call it in same University after sometime gave a Ph.D. Sanskrit. to another fellow who wrote a t hesi. that because of the mixed cropping "This is 'atmaparikshan' and not the agricultuFal produce is reduced and both Catmaninda' " I do not want to do self- were employed in the same University. abuse but this is self-criticism. This is MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER: There is reflection in our sodty and that is why the always for and against on a point. You first thing that I would like to suggest is could have put the argument for or against that while drafting the 'New Education at that time and they would have accepted Scheme', one thing should be borne in your argument. mind. Sir, I have had occasions -to visit other countries. SHRI MADHUSUDAN VAIRALE: No, Sir, t am talking of the responsibility 18.00 hrs. of the University. That shows the quality My friend from Rajasthan said that there or the Education of the univ~rsity. was a time when there was a premium Secondly, Sir, it is considered that for failing in the examination. The name Education is not a medicine for all our of the person who passed the matriculation ailments and our hone Minister would eu.mination in the first attempt never appreciate that education is something appeared in the newspaper, but the fellow different from humanity. A couplet in who failed in the examination for ten times and passed in the eleventh attempt made a says like this : news in the newspapers. They would say ; 11m hoi kuchh aur shai, aadmiyat hoi kuchh our aha/ Look at his tenacity. he attempted eleven times and ultimately passed the examina- Kitlla tole ko parahyo, par woh ha vaan ka haivaan hi rohoQ tion . It was indirectly glorified. We should not encourage it. Let tbis not happen in our education system because Jet .that education system I am told that in the Soviet Union create some enthusiasm, some patriotism they take into consiaeration the inclina- and lOme social awareness. Sir, in our tion of the student right from the primary country t there is no dearth or social stale of edocat ion and when the student revolutionaries. In Mabarashtra, particul- comes to the stale of secondary education arly, we- can take tome Damel of Mr. they are in 'a position to Ind out, whether· -iBS Motioll Re: Challenge of AGRAHAYANA 19, 1907 (SAKA) Education-A Policy 3~ Perspective he is suitable for agriculture, whether he is citizens when drafted for such a service will lui table for science, commerce or,any other automatically love the country. Love is profesaion. ~imilarly, person interested there in their hearts, but we have to give In politics need that type of training. In them the inspiration. So, there should be fact, we have now special courses for an element of compulsion for everybody in parliamentary education. We do need· the country for compulsory Service for the education in parliamentary field also. There nation. If such a collective exercise is done, is no doubt about it. . it would create a good social atmosphere and they would have consideration for fellow I would now give one most important brothers and they will love their country. suggestion. They do it in China. I do The feelings of loving the country, protect- not want the Communist methods to be ing the public property etc. can be incul- followed here, but let the students com- cated among the people if we have develop. munity have a feeling that all these institu- ment army as suggested by me. tions belong to them. When you construct a school. ask the boys of the school to help Sir, I have gone through the goals that in the construction of the SChool. When- have been enumerated on page 61 of the ever there is a strike now-a-days,. they burn document. I will conclude just by adding the schools, break windows and do all sorts that we should concentrate more on Goal of things. If they have put one brick in (v) regarding fostering a healthy attitude a wall, they would have a feeling that they to dignity of labour and hard work and have constructed the schools and they should Goal (vii) about dedication to uphold the not destroy it. If there is their participation integrity, honour and foster the develop- like this in the construction of the schools, ment of the country. they would have their affinity, affection with the institution. We should try our utmost to achieve I would like to suggest one more thing these two very important goals, while imple- as they do in the best praised damocracy in menting this new policy. I knew that I the world, that is America. We should ha ve said something harsh, but truths hould have some system whereby we make it com- have its say. I thank you for giving me pulsory at some stage for every citizen, much more time than I could expect from whether he is a son of a millionnaire or a you. poor man, for some servIce. We must draft him for some service. He may be asked MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House compulsorily to serve the nation, the society stands adjourned to reassemble tomorrow for a year or two. He may join, army navy at 11 0' clock. Ot air f Jrce. If financially it is not viable, let us have another development army. Let 18.06 brs. us send them to construct a dam or a road The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Ele. for six months. As the child need not be ven of the Clock on Wednesday, Decem- taught bow to love bis mother. similarly the ber 11,1985/ Agrahyana 20.1907 (Saka)

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