Tuesday forum Thursday, March 15, 1973 "Christianity & Socialism" Christianity is concerned with an the "eternal presence" of Christ. by Dave Schultz historical figure but that Christ Escobar concluded by saying that RD On Tuesday an · espe_ciaJly and his message are not Christianity is a real force in the literate debate took place in tEl adequately explained by historical world, and one that cannot be Volume 13, Number 21 under the title "Christianity and methods. Christ, he said, placed explained in terms of dialectical EEKLY Socialism". Speaking for the supreme loyalty in God and not in materialism and analyzed in terms former was Mr. Samuel Escobar, the state. "Pay Caesar what is due of a class-structure model. the General Director of Inter to Caesar and pay God what is due James said that there is a basic Varsity Christian Fellowship and to God." Occasionally secular human need for security which is author of a number of books in­ powers have masqueraded under provided by religion, but that cluding one on Christ and Marx. the guise of religious authority, but religion achieves this by appealing Speaking for the latter was Stu this is a l:lasic denial of the essence to a supernatural cosmic force, James, a philosophy student at the of Christianity which preaches and consequently detracts frorr. University of Guelph, and' a ultimate loyalty to Christ and God. man's abilities to cure his own ills. member of the Young Socialists. In fact, he said, Christianity has He dealt with the second criticism The debate was moderated by Dr. often been responsible for of Christianity by pointing out that John Redekop, Chairman of the breaking attempts- to make the since the latter is founded in the WLU Politics department. state "sacred". Christianity is not "illusion" of the supernatural it Although no conclusions were reducible to purely secular blocks the path of progress. reached, the discussion was lively analysis because of this belief in a Christianity is therefore, un­ and both sides were well presen­ power greater than man. conscionable to a Socialist. ted. Marxism cannot explain the In the succeeding open debate a Mr. Escobar took the floor first existence of Christianity as an series of questions flew from panel and proceeded to outline his historical force because it cannot to audience and back. Escobar position as a Christian vis a vis explain Christ as a religious force. said contrary to what James Marxism. He stated that Marxist socialism cannot explain continued on pg. 7 Other tactics tried U of T occupation ends _, _ ..t...... TORONTO (CUP)- About 40 courses and a committee to voted to try to engage students in University of Toronto students examine problems in these large other departments in the general People", the Players Guild's major spring production opened voted March 9 to end their oc- enrolment courses. The three battle for more student and will show again orr Friday and Saturday. For a review cupation of mathematics depart- dismissed professors had . been representation on hiring, firing five. ment offices, so they could broaden given indications their appeals and tenure committees. their fight for the rehiring of three would be received more They decided to retain their professors and a greater student favourably than they would have demand for the rehiring of the role in departmental government. been before the occupation. three popular professors, but said PCC Suffers They concluded the 11 day oc- But the students won nothing in the demand is inseparable from cupation had become too time their crucial demand for a obtaining a greater decision take the first $300, Perth County consuming, and that it was significant student role in the making role for students. was a disappointing the next $500, CCR the next $400, unlikely to win concessions from departmental decision making, for the Perth County and the remainder was to go the department. including, hiring, firing, and Student council president-elect concert held in the mainly to CCR. The students decided the next tenure decisions. The faculty Bob Anderson, also a mathematics i.An•litorium last Saturday. As it turned out, the take for the night_to_mobilize student support established another committee to student, called the occupation was to be a benefit first night was $630, "and - little for a maSs meet!Dai eolifrontatloo eiamine- tbe - department's ~;IJUt~iddiCI -.. dlput­ Campus Radio. They better the second night. When the with math chairman George Duff, governing structures, but it would ment's response had been un­ out a system with dust had cleared, all parties had arts and sciences dean Robert not have any student members. No satisfactory. ight County Conspiracy which lost, with CCR facing a potential Greene and U of T president John members have yet been appointed. Anderson said the occupation CCR would take in a loss of $228. To remedy this, Perth Evans. Students at the March 10 illustrates 'a critical problem for sum from the venture, County paid CCR $428 to cover But the students had made some meeting suggested Math students the university, that quality turnout. For their expenses and give them a informal gains. The department should rally support with pam­ teaching must be stressed as a was to take the worthwhile sum to show for the had promised some improvements phlets, leaflets, and a newspaper primary function rather than the next $500, and event. Perth County, which had in the grading of first year math explaining their cause. They also concentrating on research.' was to be split 90-10 counted on a take of $1800, actually of Perth County. Ac­ took $600. PCC spokesman Derek Reynolds said the effort was part Friday was to be a night of the overall plan of Perth County Elections for SAC business Reps will be held on Thursday of expenses ; ap­ to "make music" despite the $630 total for CCR, commonly believed economics of N\arch, 15 in the Fifth Floor lounge of the Central promoting the concert, the industry. Their latest activity Teaching Building. The foiiONing are nominated for the undisclosed sum for Perth is a record company which will three positions: Aubrey Ferguson, Bus. Reynolds said that Perth produce their latest album at low Conspiracy operated seven cost. The company, Rum our Tom Garner, Econ. Ill llld used revenue from the Records, will distribute the record Blair Hansen, Bus. I performances as a sub­ in small numbers, pressing them Bruce Taylor, Bus. I for the considerable cash only as demand develops. The necessary to operate a proposed price is $3.00, "quite a bit The election will be held between 10:00 am and 12:00 noon, and better than the $5.00 Columbia 1:30 pm and 4:00 pm. ID cards must be sh<M'n. Open to students charges." in the School of Business and Economics only. vs Board of Governors nstitution passes laws went before a constitution SAC seems to have known that the acquiesed and allowed the coun­ constitution and expected to have committee of the Board of constitution was ratified nor was ting to take place but suggested these discrepancies cleared and _ Governors. They were accepted by Dean Nichols aware of this. In that the executive not take office submit the ammended constitution to the recent presidential the committee and then The Board fact, the only person who seemed until the Constitution and all the to the Board of Governors. and soon afterwards, of Governors itself. It was to have an idea that the constitu­ By-laws had been passed. All this However, a problem arises out of been confusion as to the recognized that there were still tion had been passed was Frank was done without the knowledge the fact that SAC does have a of the elections, the some bylaws to be passed by SAC Peters who looked up the minutes that the two election bylaws had constitution, therefore any l>Y"".!utive of SAC, and the and they would be dealt with by the of the meeting at which it was already been approved by the changes of ammendments in it 1 ERVJCES of SAC. The minutes of Board of Governors as soon as SAC passed to confirm the fact. Why Board of Governors last year. must go before a referendum of the 1NALITY of the Board of had passed them. The reason why didn't anyone know that the con­ There is another relevant factor. student body. There is some doubt · UALITY held last March add a this situation was accepted was stitution had been passed? Whose The Constitution as it stands has as to whether or not students would some perceived discrepancies in i.JRITY deal of light to the situation. because SAC wanted to have responsibility was it to inform come out and vote as exams draw it. For example, some feel the tiEED ltory starts last March when elections and for expediency's SAC- to inform the student body near. presented to the Board of sake, both the by-laws and the (as if it cares anyway)? These constitution should state that SAC RVICES for approval, a Con- constitution were approved. questions remain unanswered. derives its power from the Board SAC President Mckinley agreed UERD and two By-laws. The two As of that meeting last March, Meanwhile, as reported last of Governors. There is also a minor not to submit the by-laws just -6150 concerned electoral SAC does have a legal constitution week, just prior to the recent point concerning a conflict bet­ passed by SAC to the Board ' PM-lOPM The Board of and two by-laws.