Nunavut Canada

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF

3rd Session 3rd Assembly

HANSARD

Official Report

DAY 26

Friday, October 28, 2011

Pages 1429 – 1485

Iqaluit

Speaker: The Honourable Hunter Tootoo, M.L.A.

Legislative Assembly of Nunavut

Speaker Hon. Hunter Tootoo () Hon. Joe Enook Allan Rumbolt () () (Hudson Bay) Premier; Minister of Education; Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole Minister of Executive and Hon. Fred Schell Intergovernmental Affairs; Minister Hon. Lorne Kusugak () responsible for Aboriginal Affairs; ( South – Whale Cove) Minister of Human Resources Minister responsible for Immigration; Government House Leader; Minister of Minister responsible for the Status of Community and Government Services; Hon. Daniel Shewchuk (Arviat) Women Minister of Energy; Minister Minister of Environment; Minister responsible for the Qulliq Energy responsible for Nunavut Arctic Hon. James Arreak Corporation () College Minister of Culture, Language, Elders John Ningark Louis Tapardjuk and Youth; Minister of Languages; () () Minister responsible for the Utility Johnny Ningeongan Deputy Chair, Committee of the Rates Review Council () Whole

Deputy Speaker and Chair of the Moses Aupaluktuq Hon. Peter Taptuna Committee of the Whole (Baker Lake) (Kugluktuk)

Hezakiah Oshutapik Deputy Premier; Minister of Hon. Tagak Curley (Pangnirtung) Economic Development and (Rankin Inlet North) Transportation Minister of Health and Social Services; Hon. Keith Peterson Minister responsible for the Nunavut (Cambridge Bay) Jeannie Ugyuk Housing Corporation; Minister Minister of Finance, Chair of the () responsible for Homelessness; Minister Financial Management Board; Minister responsible for the Workers’ Safety and of Justice Compensation Commission

Monica Ell ()

Ron Elliott () Officers Clerk John Quirke

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Table of Contents

Opening Prayer ...... 1429

Ministers’ Statements ...... 1429

Members’ Statements ...... 1433

Returns to Oral Questions ...... 1438

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery ...... 1439

Oral Questions ...... 1443

Tabling of Documents ...... 1458

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters ...... 1460

Point of Order ...... 1473

Committee Motions ...... 1474

Report of the Committee of the Whole ...... 1484

Third Reading of Bills ...... 1484

Orders of the Day ...... 1485

A. Daily References

Friday, October 28, 2011 ...... 1429

B. Ministers’ Statements

095 – 3(3): Nunavut Wildlife Management Board Decision on the Total Allowable Harvest for

the Western Hudson Bay Polar Bear Population (Shewchuk) ...... 1429

096 – 3(3): Nunavut Tobacco Reduction Framework for Action (Curley) ...... 1429

097 – 3(3): Career Development Services – Professional Training (Aariak) ...... 1430

098 – 3(3): Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act (Aariak) ...... 1431

099 – 3(3): New Board of Directors Appointed for NHC (Curley) ...... 1432

C. Members’ Statements

139 – 3(3): Appreciation for Successful Rescue Mission in Igloolik (Tapardjuk) ...... 1433

140 – 3(3): Grief Counselling in Nunavut (Elliott) ...... 1434

141 – 3(3): Third Day of Search for Missing Hunters (Ugyuk) ...... 1435

142 – 3(3): Restructuring Support for Sports in Nunavut (Ningeongan) ...... 1436

143 – 3(3): A Successful Trade Show in Whale Cove (Kusugak) ...... 1437

144 – 3(3): Acknowledging a Loss in Rankin Inlet (Curley) ...... 1437

D. Returns to Oral Questions

Return to Oral Question 176 – 3(3): Graduating Students and Academic Qualifications (Aariak)

...... 1438

Return to Oral Question 179 – 3(3): Active Cases of TB in Nunavut (Curley) ...... 1438

Return to Oral Question 181 – 3(3): Update on Funding Community Freezer Initiative (Taptuna)

...... 1438

E. Oral Questions

206 – 3(3): Spill Reporting in Nunavut (Aupaluktuq) ...... 1443

207 – 3(3): Coming into Force “Official Languages Act” (Tapardjuk) ...... 1445

208 – 3(3): Conditions at Iqaluit Public Health Centre (Ell) ...... 1446

209 – 3(3): Funding for Elders (Oshutapik) ...... 1448

210 – 3(3): Update on Liquor Task Force (Elliott) ...... 1450

211 – 3(3): Rethinking Support for Sports (Ningeongan) ...... 1451

212 – 3(3): Support for Women’s Shelters (Ugyuk) ...... 1453

213 – 3(3): “Solution Box” on Government Website (Rumbolt) ...... 1456

214 – 3(3): Electronic Health Records (Elliott)...... 1456

F. Tabling of Documents

119 – 3(3): Annual Report on the Administration of the Government of Nunavut’s Access to

Information and Protection of Privacy Act for the Period April 11, 2009 to March 21, 2010

(Aariak) ...... 1458

120 – 3(3): Correspondence from the Hamlet of Re: Electoral Boundaries

Commission (Ningeongan) ...... 1459

121 – 3(3): Correspondence from the Hamlet of Chesterfield Inlet Re: Proposed Changes to the

Chesterfield Inlet Constituency (Ningeongan) ...... 1459

122 – 3(3): Transportation of Dangerous Goods Annual Report 2009-2010 (Taptuna) ...... 1459

123 – 3(3): Transportation of Dangerous Goods Annual Report 2010-2011 (Taptuna) ...... 1459

124 – 3(3): F/P/T Ministerial Report on the Aboriginal Affairs Working Group in Ottawa,

Ontario April 18 to 19, 2011 (Aariak) ...... 1459

125 – 3(3): 2009-2010 Annual Report on the State of Culture and Society (Aariak) ...... 1459

126 – 3(3): GN Grants and Contributions 2010-2011 (Peterson)...... 1460

127 – 3(3): Chief Medical Officer of Health’s 2010 Tobacco Control Act Annual Report (Curley)

...... 1460

128 – 3(3): Nunavut Tobacco Reduction Framework for Action Titled “Tobacco Has No Place

Here” for 2011-2016 (Curley) ...... 1460

G. Committee Motions

005 – 3(3): Amendment to Schedule of Bill 22 (Tapardjuk) ...... 1474

006 – 3(3): Amendment to Schedule of Bill 22 (Tapardjuk) ...... 1475

007 – 3(3): Amendment to Clause 3 of Bill 22 (Elliott) ...... 1476

H. Bills

Bill 14 – Supplementary Appropriation (Capital) Act, No. 2, 2011-2012 – Consideration in

Committee ...... 1460

Bill 22 – An Act Respecting the Constituencies of Nunavut – Consideration in Committee ....1464

Bill 14 – Supplementary Appropriation (Capital) Act, No. 2, 2011-2012 – Third Reading ...... 1484

Bill 22 – An Act Respecting the Constituencies of Nunavut – Third Reading ...... 1485

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Iqaluit, Nunavut total allowable harvest for the western Friday, October 28, 2011 Hudson Bay polar bear subpopulation. Members Present: Honourable Eva Aariak, Honourable I am pleased to advise my colleagues James Arreak, Mr. Moses Aupaluktuq, that the NWMB made a decision to Honourable Tagak Curley, Ms. Monica increase the harvest from 8 to 21 for this Ell, Mr. Ron Elliott, Mr. Joe Enook, year and that I have accepted their Honourable Lorne Kusugak, Mr. Johnny decision. Mr. Speaker, the department is Ningeongan, Mr. Hezakiah Oshutapik, now working with the regional wildlife Honourable Keith Peterson, Mr. Allan organization so that they can allocate the Rumbolt, Honourable Fred Schell, harvest among the affected communities. Honourable Daniel Shewchuk, Mr. Louis Tapardjuk, Honourable Peter The Department of Environment will Taptuna, Honourable Hunter Tootoo, continue to work to ensure that we Ms. Jeannie Ugyuk. maintain healthy and sustainable polar bear populations through the integration Item 1: Opening Prayer of Inuit knowledge and western science. This winter, the department is planning Speaker (Hon. Hunter Tootoo): to conduct community consultation on Qujannamiik, Sergeant-at-Arms. Before the results of the most recent survey of we get started, I would like to ask Mr. this population. Elliott to lead us off with a prayer, please. Mr. Speaker, I remain committed to continuing to work closely with the >>Prayer Nunavut Wildlife Management Board and commend the board in reaching Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Good effective management solutions for this morning, everybody. Moving on in the year’s harvest. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Orders of the Day, Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Minister of Environment, >>Applause Minister Shewchuk. Speaker: Thank you. Item 2. Ministers’ Item 2: Ministers’ Statements Statements. Minister of Health and Social Services, Minister Curley. Minister’s Statement 095 – 3(3): Nunavut Wildlife Management Minister’s Statement 096 – 3(3): Board Decision on the Total Nunavut Tobacco Reduction Allowable Harvest for the Western Framework for Action (Curley) Hudson Bay Polar Bear Population (Shewchuk) Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, say that I keep the people of Rankin Inlet Mr. Speaker. In August of this year, I in mind. I rise today to talk about the requested that the Nunavut Wildlife Nunavut Tobacco Reduction Framework Management Board consider revising the for Action.

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Mr. Speaker, over half of the population who smoke, to help them learn more in Nunavut is smoking. The average cost about the health effects of smoking and of a pack of cigarettes in Nunavut is community-based support available. $17.50. That’s for one pack of cigarettes. Nunavutmiut who smoke a pack a day People often tell their friends, family spend well over $6,000 a year on members, and neighbours who are trying cigarettes. I am sure that these to stop smoking to never “quit quitting.” individuals are not the only ones who are It is sound advice for individuals as well inhaling the smoke. The costs to treat as governments, community groups and smoke-related illnesses and health agencies that will never quit helping problems are a continuous and Nunavutmiut make the choice to be tremendous burden on Nunavut’s health smoke-free. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. care system. Mr. Speaker, there is a clear message here: tobacco use is taxing the >>Applause health and wealth of Nunavutmiut. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. To address the negative effects of Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Minister tobacco use, the Government of Nunavut of Education, Minister Aariak. has developed a detailed framework. The Nunavut Tobacco Reduction Framework Minister’s Statement 097 – 3(3): for Action is a five-year plan to help Career Development Services – Nunavutmiut stop tobacco use in their Professional Training (Aariak) community, their home, and their life. The plan outlines six action areas to Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): reduce and prevent smoking. One of the Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, actions is to help people learn more people of Iqaluit East. I will be speaking about the impacts of tobacco use through in English and I’m sure that the an education and awareness campaign interpreters will translate it into called “Tobacco Has No Place Here.” Inuktitut. Please make sure that you say that in your home. (interpretation ends) Uqaqtittijii, I would like to take this opportunity to inform The territory-wide campaign launch is my colleagues about a very successful planned for January 2012 during professional development training National Non-Smoking Week. It will project underway. feature personal stories of Nunavutmiut whose lives have been affected by The Department of Education, working smoking as well as those who have made with Nunavut Arctic College and the the choice to quit. Youth are involved in Canadian Career Development this campaign I just referred to and some Foundation, has developed the Career of them are behind me and they will Development Practitioner Certificate introduce themselves. They participated Program. Uqaqtittijii, this program has in the campaign through interactive provided professional development video and art projects and social media. training for numerous education staff, The campaign focuses on priority groups such as career development officers and of concern, such as pregnant women supervisors, in an important service area.

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Currently there are several career responsible for Executive and development officers preparing for the Intergovernmental Affairs, Madam final course in the first delivery of this Premier. program. This course dealing with community capacity development will Minister’s Statement 098 – 3(3): take place in Cambridge Bay at the end Access to Information and of the month. Protection of Privacy Act (Aariak)

The Career Development Practitioner Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): Certificate Program has enhanced Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation partnerships and collaboration. This ends) I am pleased to give my colleagues week in Iqaluit, four representatives of an update on amendments to the Access the Kativik Regional Government have to Information and Protection of Privacy joined GN staff in a “Managers as Act. Learning Coaches” module to support staff taking this program. My department has completed a review of the Act and has begun the process to Uqaqtittijii, courses from this program amend the Act by the end of 2012. Mr. have also been taken by staff from other Speaker, there are a few administrative organizations, such as Kakivak changes to be considered. However, the Association, Kivalliq Partners in major change to be considered is to Development, and Kitikmeot Economic make privacy oversight mandatory. Development Corporation. Personal privacy concerns all (interpretation) Mr. Speaker, it is information collected by the important to continue to strengthen our Government of Nunavut about an partnerships in the area of career individual. This information is protected development services and I would like to and there are clear guidelines on how it thank the Department of Human can be collected, used, and disclosed. Resources and Nunavut Arctic College for their supportive partnerships in this Mr. Speaker, the proposed amendments program. will bring the Government of Nunavut’s Access to Information and Protection of Mr. Speaker, providing professional Privacy Act up to national standards for development opportunities to all staff the protection of personal privacy. who work in the career development field will enhance their skills so they can Mr. Speaker, the proposed amendments provide the guidance Nunavummiut will allow individuals the ability to need to access education, learning and complain to the Information and Privacy career development opportunities. Thank Commissioner if they feel that the you, Mr. Speaker. Government of Nunavut has inappropriately collected, used, or >>Applause disclosed their personal information. It will also make it mandatory for Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Aariak. Item departments to report privacy breaches 2. Ministers’ Statements. Minister

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1432 within their departments to the Corporate Executive Committee, I can Information and Privacy Commissioner. say with confidence that the candidates selected for appointment faced some Uqaqtittijii, it is important to protect the tough competition. personal privacy of our citizens and, in the spirit of the Tamapta Action Plan, Mr. Speaker, I would like to take a ensure accountability and transparency. I moment to thank all of the individuals look forward to bringing the amended who showed interest in the Nunavut Access to Information and Protection of Housing Corporation Board of Directors Privacy Act to cabinet for approval in and took the time to apply. Their interest 2012. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. is another sign of the importance of Speaker. housing for Nunavutmiut.

>>Applause The goal, Mr. Speaker, was to find a mixture of individuals with varying Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. backgrounds and perspectives that, as a Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Minister group, could provide, as far as possible, responsible for the Nunavut Housing a balance of skills, gender and Corporation, Minister Curley. geographic representation.

Minister’s Statement 099 – 3(3): New (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, it is Board of Directors Appointed for with pride that I introduce to you and my NHC (Curley) fellow members the Nunavut Housing Corporation’s first board of directors. Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to Mr. Eugene Lysy, Chairman of the announce that a seven-member board of Board, brings more than 20 years of directors has been created for the experience working in senior positions Nunavut Housing Corporation. This in both the private and public sectors in brings to a close a major initiative NHC all three territories. set out to accomplish this year. Mr. , Vice-Chairman, Following the approval in May or June, I hardly needs an introduction, Mr. believe, of Bill 10, An Act to Amend the Speaker. A former MP and Interim Nunavut Housing Corporation Act, the Commissioner, Mr. Anawak brings to Nunavut Housing Corporation took the board strong national, international, immediate action to coordinate a public and northern experience. campaign to solicit interest for board appointments to the Nunavut Housing Madam Kathleen Gomes from Iqaluit Corporation. brings a solid banking and financial background. Mr. Speaker, public response to the Nunavut Housing Corporation’s board Madam Vicki Aitaok from Cambridge recruitment campaign this past summer Bay brings a substantial background in was overwhelming. Having reviewed all education and community organizations. of the applications with NHC’s

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Mr. Bob Leonard of Arviat has been a Item 3: Members’ Statements Nunavut construction contractor for more than 30 years. Member’s Statement 139 – 3(3): Appreciation for Successful Mr. Gordon McPherson has over 35 Rescue Mission in Igloolik years of experience delivering the (Tapardjuk) Government of Nova Scotia’s social Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank housing programs. you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to the people of Igloolik, Hall Beach, and my Mr. Ross Mrazek brings to the board a grandchildren Ivaluarjuk and Tulurialik, strong understanding of Nunavut’s my uncle, my aunt, and Lucy. infrastructure challenges. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to talk about Mr. Speaker, getting a board was a step last Wednesday’s search and rescue for in the right direction for the Nunavut an individual stranded out in his boat in Housing Corporation; however, this is the middle of nowhere close to land. only the beginning. As I mentioned in There was a search for this individual, the past, Mr. Speaker, the creation of the Celestino Uyarak, who is the assistant board of directors represents a SAO and works extremely hard to help fundamental change to the governance with the search and rescue party. structure of the Nunavut Housing Corporation. In addition to strengthening At around eleven o’clock, a helicopter its governance structure, a board of was able to go and rescue the individual, directors will ensure the Nunavut but before that, a Hercules came in from Housing Corporation can adequately CFB Trenton and dropped a boat. The concentrate on establishing the best way search and rescue party from Igloolik to access more badly needed investments worked extremely hard, as well as the to address Nunavut’s housing needs. people stationed here in Iqaluit at EMO. We would like to thank the individuals Mr. Speaker, I look forward to working for their hard work. with the new housing corporation board as this government and the Nunavut As my colleague from CGS kept Housing Corporation continue to tackle emphasizing, if people are going out on Nunavut’s staggering but conquerable the land, they should bring SPOT housing challenges ahead. I also want to devices. The people who were stranded indicate that it is the beginning of an out in the water had a SPOT device and arm’s-length corporation that is so badly were able to be located. They were needed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. brought home last night.

>>Applause At this time, I would like to thank the people who thought of these individuals Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. and kept them in their thoughts and Item 2. Ministers’ Statements. Item 3. prayers. The individuals from the Members’ Statements. Member for Government of Nunavut’s Emergency Amittuq, Mr. Tapardjuk. Measures Organization and Igloolik’s search and rescue party worked very

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1434 hard as life is precious. So I would like communities; everyone cares about to thank everyone on behalf of my everyone else and everyone feels the loss colleagues and to be grateful to the when a community member passes people who helped with the search and away. rescue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is also the impact of trauma. The >>Applause social disruption caused by Inuit being coerced into settled communities, deaths Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. due to tuberculosis, the impact of the Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member sudden transportation of family members for Quttiktuq, Mr. Elliott. to the south for TB treatment, some never to return, the residential school Member’s Statement 140 – 3(3): Grief experience, high rates of suicide, Counselling in Nunavut (Elliott) homicide, and accidental death: the result can be complex trauma requiring Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I professional intervention using a variety rise today to address an issue that I have of skills and techniques; serious realized rarely gets mentioned in this counselling for serious problems. House: grief counselling. If the impacts are not dealt with, they Mr. Speaker, grief is an unavoidable part can be passed on to the next generation, of human life. We all lose loved ones at a process called intergenerational some point, and we all experience and transmission of historical trauma. express grief in our own way, shaped by the culture in which we were raised. Mr. Speaker, I recently had the Understandably, some people require opportunity to read a publication titled assistance with the grieving process. “Hope and Resilience,” the report of the first ever circumpolar seminar on best I recently read a thoughtful observation: practice in suicide prevention in the “Grief counselling becomes necessary Arctic. when a person is so disabled by their grief, overwhelmed by loss to the extent Mr. Speaker, at this time, I would like to that their normal coping processes are request unanimous consent to continue disabled or shut down. Grief counselling with my Member’s Statement today. facilitates expression of emotion and Thank you. thought about the loss, including sadness, anxiety, anger, loneliness, guilt, Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. The relief, isolation, confusion, or member is seeking unanimous consent to numbness.” conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There being none. Please proceed, Mr. Speaker, there is an exceptionally Mr. Elliott. high level of unresolved grief and trauma in Nunavut. Part of this is due to Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. the small size and isolation of our Thank you, my colleagues. communities. It is also due in part to close connections in and between our

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It was hosted by the Greenlandic Gjoa Haven. Mr. Speaker, in Gjoa Government in November 2009 under Haven, the search and rescue team is the auspices of the Arctic Council. The conducting a search. I would like seminar recognized that unresolved grief Nunavummiut to pray for a successful plays a role in many deaths by suicide in search. Inuit communities. The seminar also recognized that providing skilled grief Mr. Speaker, I would like to express my counselling is a challenge right across gratitude to the search and rescue the Arctic in all regions. committee members in the community for volunteering their time and their Mr. Speaker, when reading our action dedication to providing assistance in plan for the implementation of the search and rescue missions. Sometimes Nunavut Suicide Prevention Strategy, I it can be very difficult to find individuals was pleased to see action item 2.6, on the land and it is not always which is to “provide culturally and age successful. appropriate grief counselling.” The Government of Nunavut’s Department It is now the third day since the search of Health and Social Services is was commenced and this is due to the identified as the lead on this action item, bad weather we are experiencing in our in partnership with Nunavut Tunngavik community. That is why I would like our Incorporated, the Embrace Life Council, fellow Nunavummiut to pray for the Inuit and community organizations. The searchers. I am also grateful that the timeline for completion of this action search conducted in Igloolik was item is April 2012, so it will be one of successful and they found the individual the first deliverables for the action plan. they were looking for.

Mr. Speaker, I want the Minister of As well, in Taloyoak, the search and Health and Social Services to know that rescue society is always looking for he will have my support, and I’m sure additional funds for gasoline, grub, and the support of all members, as he equipment. They are always fundraising demonstrates leadership on this difficult for future searches, and I am grateful yet critical issue in the coming months. that they are very dedicated as they Thank you, Mr. Speaker. commence searches whenever needed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause >>Applause Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member for Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. Item Nattilik, Ms. Ugyuk. 3. Members’ Statements. Member for Nanulik, Mr. Ningeongan. Member’s Statement 141 – 3(3): Third Day of Search for Missing Hunters (Ugyuk) Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to wish a good morning to the residents of Taloyoak and

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Member’s Statement 142 – 3(3): such as the Arctic Winter Games. Restructuring Support for Sports Neither approach is perfect. It is my in Nunavut (Ningeongan) view that we need to encourage both individual excellence and the success Mr. Ningeongan: Thank you, Mr. and hard work of a team as a whole. Mr. Speaker. I rise today to encourage our Speaker, I would like to suggest that our government to rethink how sports government considers options to programs are supported and funded recognize both team success and across our territory. individual success. For example, I would like to suggest that winning teams be Mr. Speaker, there can be no doubt that allowed to continue their momentum and participation in sports is very beneficial represent Nunavut but also that to the physical and mental development individual athletic excellence be of our youth. There can be no doubt that recognized with the creation of healthy lifestyle choices, positive self- something like an all-star Nunavut team. esteem, learning teamwork and cooperation are all potential outcomes of Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask for taking part in sporting activities. These unanimous consent to conclude my benefits help set a positive course for the Member’s Statement. future. Mr. Speaker, given the benefits of sports programs to our youth and the Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. future of our society, I strongly The member is seeking unanimous encourage the government to be more consent to conclude his statement. Are creative in providing more opportunities there any nays? There being none. for our young athletes to continue Please proceed, Mr. Ningeongan. participating and building on their successes. Mr. Ningeongan: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Members. Mr. Speaker, I will use an example that recently happened where a soccer team I recognize that funds are limited and was very successful in a tournament ways are already set. However, if we which recently occurred here in Iqaluit. wish to encourage participation in sports Even though a team, whose members and support our future, we should be have all worked hard together to succeed willing to make investments and risk in beating every other team from across change. At the appropriate time, Mr. Nunavut, wins the gold medal, that team Speaker, I will have questions on this will not go on to the next level. Instead, issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. athletes who have excelled individually but who may have never played together >>Applause will be selected to form a team to represent Nunavut. I would note that Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. similar policies apply to other sports. Item 3. Members’ Statements. Member for and Whale Cove, Mr. Speaker, I recognize that in the past, Mr. Kusugak. both approaches have been used to select teams to represent Nunavut at events

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Member’s Statement 143 – 3(3): A airline industry. The Nunavut Successful Trade Show in Whale Development Corporation was also at Cove (Kusugak) that fair, as well as Nunavut Arctic College representatives, whom we were Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): very pleased to see. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning to the people of Rankin Inlet and Whale The community hall is not small but it Cove. My condolences go to the people was packed with a lot of people who of Rankin Inlet who are going through came to see the events. We also saw hard times. some arts and crafts that were made by the local people. I thank everyone who Mr. Speaker, in the House, we usually participated at the events and I hope to talk and hear often about how smaller see them again next year, perhaps in communities should benefit from greater numbers. Thank you, Mr. economic development. Communities, Speaker. whether they’re small or large, go through hardships. I represent one of the >>Applause smallest communities and the other one being one of the largest communities in Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Kusugak. Item Nunavut. 3. Members’ Statements. Member for Rankin Inlet North, Mr. Curley. This summer, I was very proud when the community of Whale Cove didn’t just sit Member’s Statement 144 – 3(3): back when it came to planning for the Acknowledging a Loss in Rankin future. The hamlet council, through their Inlet (Curley) SAO and their economic development officer, put together an “Economic Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): Development Day” and looked at how Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to they can improve economic development extend my greetings to the people of opportunities in their community. A Rankin Inlet. We think of you and we large number of businesspeople came feel for you because we had just lost a into town to take a look at what potential loved one in Rankin Inlet. I would just opportunities exist in the community. like to send my condolences, but I’m not going to mention any names. I would I would like to thank the people who like to send my sympathy to them as participated that day, the economic they mourn their loss. Thank you, Mr. development office, which was a Speaker. tremendous help and support, the federal economic development department, >>Applause Canadian North didn’t have a representative there and was greatly Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. Item missed, but representatives from First 3. Members’ Statements. Moving on in Air, Calm Air, and Kivalliq Air were the Orders of the Day, Item 4. Returns to present. It was a big booster and the Oral Questions. Minister of Education, people were able to see what kind of Minister Aariak. career opportunities there are in the

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Item 4: Returns to Oral Questions Speaker: Thank you, Minister Aariak. Item 4. Returns to Oral Questions. Return to Oral Question 176 – 3(3): Minister of Health and Social Services, Graduating Students and Minister Curley. Academic Qualifications (Aariak) Return to Oral Question 179 – 3(3): Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): Active Cases of TB in Nunavut Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a return (Curley) to an oral question about graduating Hon. Tagak Curley: Thank you, Mr. students and academic qualifications. Speaker. The question was asked to me by one of our members at the House Question: here. The question was: “Can the How many schools have guidance minister provide an update on how many counsellors? The reason why I’m asking cases of active TB we currently have in this question is that in the smaller Nunavut and which communities are the communities, there are fewer guidance most affected?” counsellors and the students have fewer options. That’s why I’m asking this The response, Mr. Speaker, is: I wish to question. How many guidance inform the House that as of October 25, counsellors are there in Nunavut 2011, there were 62 cases of tuberculosis schools? diagnosed in Nunavut since January 1, 2011 and that 98 percent of cases Response: diagnosed this year have been in the Teacher numbers are assigned to each Baffin region. (interpretation) Thank DEA by formula, which considers the you, Mr. Speaker. number of students in their schools. The allocation of teaching assignments Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. within the school is done by the Item 4. Returns to Oral Questions. principal. Therefore, it is a school Minister of Economic Development and decision, in consultation with the district Transportation, Minister Taptuna. education authority, whether to have a guidance counsellor position. Return to Oral Question 181 – 3(3): Update on Funding Community Most schools do not have specific Freezer Initiative (Taptuna) guidance counsellors because the preference is to use their teachers in Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. classrooms to provide as many course Speaker. The question was asked by the options as possible. At this time, we Member of Quttiktuq, No. 181 – 3(3), on have 5.5 guidance counsellors. October 21. Mr. Speaker, I want to take Additionally, across Nunavut, teachers this opportunity to add more detail to my provide guidance counselling to initial response to the questions directed students, including through the career to me in the House last Friday by the program planning process and hon. member from Quttiktuq. Aulajaaqtut courses. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These questions concern the Country Food Distribution Program, which

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1439 includes support for community cost of building and operating organizations that wish to improve their community freezers will be reduced community freezer facility or to build a significantly. new community freezer. I was asked how many communities have accessed Interest in the new program has been the funds to date and “the dollar values strong. In this region, expressions of as to how much has been provided to interest have been received from communities at this point...” community organizations in Grise Fiord, Resolute Bay, Pond Inlet, Pangnirtung, Mr. Speaker, to date, no communities Iqaluit, and Cape Dorset. In the Kivalliq have accessed funds from this program region, we have heard from community and as a result, no funds from the organizations in Repulse Bay, Rankin $1,145,000 program have been spent at Inlet, Coral Harbour, and Whale Cove. this time. It is important to recognize, In the Kitikmeot region, we have heard Mr. Speaker, that the spending of the from Kugluktuk, Kugaaruk, and funds for this program that were voted Cambridge Bay. by the House last spring will be undertaken not by the government but by Mr. Speaker, I agree with the member community organizations. It will take that this is a much needed program, but these organizations some time to learn it may take some time for community what they can do with the funds, to organizations to recognize the assess their needs, and to prepare opportunity that the Country Food proposals. If a community freezer is Distribution Program provides. Mr. proposed, the proposal must identify Speaker, in the meantime, we will who will own and operate the facility continue to promote the program to and how the ongoing operating and community organizations and to work maintenance costs will be paid for. with organizations that initiate a proposal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, to support community organizations in the development of their >>Applause plans, departmental staff in each region have held meetings with economic Speaker: Thank you, Minister Taptuna. development officers, hunters and Item 4. Returns to Oral Questions. Item trappers organizations, regional wildlife 5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. organizations, and in many cases, with Minister of Environment, Minister hamlet councils. When a community Shewchuk. expresses interest in using the program, our staff meets face to face with the Item 5: Recognition of Visitors in the proponent and provides direct assistance Gallery in the preparation of the proposal. Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, At the same time, as I said in my initial Mr. Speaker. I am very honoured to rise response to the member from Quttiktuq, today and recognize some of my we are working with Natural Resources constituents from Arviat who work with Canada to identify the most efficient the Department of Education and they freezer technologies available so that the are elders Rhoda Karetak and Louis

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Angalik, Becky Mike, Elissa Curley, Ida Oh, he’s not present? I am not sure if Suluk, Mary Thompson, and Pat Netser. this is the correct name, so can I ask you Thank you very much for being here. to please stand. These are the students Thank you, Mr. Speaker. who won the art competition in the anti- smoking campaign. I want my >>Applause colleagues to express their appreciation and to acknowledge them. (interpretation Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Shewchuk. ends) Thank you. Welcome to the Gallery. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. Minister of >>Applause Health and Social Services, Minister Curley. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Curley. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): Madam Premier. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, want to recognize some people, but before that, I Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): wanted to rise and inform my colleagues Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am very that I have quite a few relatives present pleased that the Gallery is full. I here, including our eldest sister, my welcome each and every one of you. sister’s son and my nephew, including First of all, I would like to acknowledge my niece. (interpretation ends) So I feel the representatives of the Coalition of safe this morning. Nunavut District Education Authorities who are holding their annual general >>Laughter meeting in Iqaluit. I’ll mention their names. (interpretation) I welcome one of my constituents, Johnny Itinnuar, to the The first one is Willie Nakoolak, Chair, Gallery. He is a member of the from Coral Harbour; Johnny Ittinuar, disabilities council. He is very dedicated Vice-chair, who works with the disabled to that cause. So that is my constituent, people in Rankin Inlet; Maliktoo Lyta, Johnny Itinnuar. Secretary, who is not here; Jackie Ameralik, Secretary, from Gjoa Haven; Mr. Speaker, I also want to recognize Liza Ningiuk from Grise Fiord; Joyce people sitting behind me who are part of Ayaruak from Rankin Inlet; Alethea winners of the anti-smoking campaign Baril, whom I don’t think is here right for the artwork depicting the dangers of now, from Apex; Alan Weeks from smoking in our schools. The winning Iqaluit, whom I don’t think is here yet; drawings have been chosen that will be Lori Idlout is not present in the House distributed to all schools in Nunavut. yet; and last but not least, Nikki These anti-smoking drawings will be Eegeesiak, Executive Director. Please displayed in the foyer for our viewing. stand. I would also like to recognize Jacob Jaypoody from Clyde River and Here are the artists who submitted their Sata Kidlapik from Repulse Bay. Please winning artwork: Tuukaasi Nuqingaq, welcome these people to the Gallery. stand up, please; Emilia Nevin; and the Thank you, Mr. Speaker. final person is Levi Enuaraq-Strauss.

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>>Applause Visitors in the Gallery. Member for Nattilik, Ms. Ugyuk. Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. Welcome to the Gallery. Recognition of Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Visitors in the Gallery. Member for Mr. Speaker. He has already been Nanulik, Mr. Ningeongan. recognized, but I would like to recognize him again. He is from Gjoa Haven, Mr. Ningeongan: Thank you, Mr. Jackie Ameralik. I would like to Speaker. I take pride in introducing my welcome him to the Gallery. He is here lovely wife and better half, Elizabeth attending the meeting for the DEAs. He Ningeongan. (interpretation) Please was also in Resolute Bay at the time of welcome her to the Gallery. the plane crash, so I would like to thank him for that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause >>Applause Although this individual from Coral Harbour was mentioned, I would like to Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. recognize Willie Nakoolak, who is Welcome to the Gallery. Recognition of always helping me. He is the chairman Visitors in the Gallery. Member for of the coalition. Please welcome him Rankin Inlet South and Whale Cove, Mr. also. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Kusugak.

>>Applause Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. want to recognize my mother-in-law, Welcome to the Gallery. Recognition of although she was already recognized. Visitors in the Gallery. Member for (interpretation ends) I feel much safer Pangnirtung, Mr. Oshutapik. than Tagak.

Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank >>Laughter you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to welcome each and every one of the It partially explains why he was people here. There are quite a few especially nice to me this morning. people in the Gallery right now that I would like to recognize. Starting from >>Laughter the youngest, Apeah Arreak-Kullualik, welcome. I also would like to welcome (interpretation) I also want to Liza Ningiuk from the High Arctic. acknowledge Meagan Zawadski from Behind me, when it was the Northwest Rankin Inlet. Welcome to the Gallery. Territories, she used be an MLA, Johnny Ittinuar, he was already Rebecca Mike. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. recognized previously, but I would like to welcome him. I also recognize John >>Applause Hamak. I am very happy that you were able to make it here. Furthermore, Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. another Rankin Inlet resident is Joyce Welcome to the Gallery. Recognition of Ayaruak. She is also a non-stop worker.

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I would like to welcome her especially Iqaluit residents that I would like to to the Gallery. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. recognize from my constituency and they are Janet Brewster, Paul Irngaut, >>Applause Ineak Korgak, and Darlene Nuqingak. I would also like to recognize these Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Kusugak. individuals although they’re not Welcome to the Gallery. Recognition of residents, Annie Ningiuk and Rhoda Visitors in the Gallery. Member for Karetak, whom I have known for many Tununiq, Mr. Enook. years. Thank you.

Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, >>Applause Mr. Speaker. Good morning to the residents of Pond Inlet as well as my Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ell. Welcome fellow residents of Nunavut. to the Gallery. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. Member for Quttiktuq, Mr. I also want to recognize a fellow resident Elliott. of our community. This person has been a dedicated worker and has worked for a Mr. Elliott: I better be quick. very long time. So I would like to recognize April Kyak from my >>Laughter community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to >>Applause recognize Liza Ningiuk. It’s always nice to see members from my constituency, Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Enook. either in Iqaluit on the streets or in the Welcome to the Gallery. Recognition of House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Visitors in the Gallery. Member for Uqqummiut, Mr. Arreak. >>Applause

Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad that I Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. am also able to recognize a fellow Member for Cambridge Bay, Mr. resident of Clyde River. He has been a Peterson. member of the local DEA for a long time. He was previously recognized, Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Jacob Jaypoody, but he apparently left. Speaker. Although she has already been Thank you. recognized, I would like to take the opportunity again to recognize a friend >>Applause of mine in the House, Janet Brewster. She’s got strong ties to the Kitikmeot Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Arreak. region, Cambridge Bay, Taloyoak, and I Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. also understand that she’s doing a lot of Member for Iqaluit West, Ms. Ell. great work for my colleague, the Minister of Health, as manager of health Ms. Ell (interpretation): Good morning protection for Nunavut. So I would like and thank you. There are quite a few

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1443 to welcome her to the Gallery. Thank Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker. I thank the member for that question. Yes, I am aware of the spill >>Applause that you are referring to and we were notified. The proper authorities were Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Peterson. notified, the spill line was called, and Welcome to the Gallery. Item 5. action was immediately taken. That spill, Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. the jurisdiction near the mine and on the Item 6. Oral Questions. Member for mine road, is the jurisdiction of INAC Baker Lake, Mr. Aupaluktuq. and the federal government, and inspectors did attend along with our Item 6: Oral Questions conservation officer.

Question 206 – 3(3): Spill Reporting in As far as the number of spills in the Nunavut (Aupaluktuq) Baker Lake area in the past year or so, I do know and I have information on five Mr. Aupaluktuq: Thank you, Mr. spills that occurred in the last while. Speaker. Good morning to everybody in Thank you, Mr. Speaker Baker Lake. Mr. Speaker, I would like to . direct my questions to the Hon. Minister Speaker: Thank you, Minister of Environment, Minister Dan Shewchuk. Your first supplementary, Shewchuk. Mr. Aupaluktuq.

The Government of Nunavut works with Mr. Aupaluktuq: Thank you, Mr. the Government of the Northwest Speaker. I appreciate the response by the Territories and the Government of minister. It’s nice to have people be Canada to maintain a 24-hour spill report informed about environmental concerns line. This line is to be used when and to have people who are taking hazardous materials, such as oil, action. gasoline, or chemicals, are spilled. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that Last year, CBC News reported that a when a spill occurs, responsibility for diesel fuel spill occurred near Agnico- ensuring that clean-up and remediation Eagle’s Meadowbank mine near my takes place depends on the location of community of Baker Lake following an the spill. In cases where a spill occurs on incident where a fuel truck rolled over. Crown land, that would be the federal Can the minister advise me if his government through the Department of department was made aware of this Aboriginal and Northern Affairs. Mr. incident and can he indicate how many Speaker, I want to ask: can the minister other spills have been reported over the clarify how his department works with past year in or around the community of other levels of government to ensure that Baker Lake? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. the GN is made aware of the status of any spill that occurs in Nunavut and any Speaker: Thank you, Aupaluktuq. subsequent clean-up activities? Thank Minister of Environment, Minister you, Mr. Speaker. Shewchuk.

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Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Aupaluktuq. Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, Minister of Environment, Minister Mr. Speaker. A very important question. Shewchuk. We absolutely do work with proponents and companies to make sure they’re Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, aware of their obligations when it comes Mr. Speaker. We work very closely with to the environment. These guidelines, the federal government in regard to directions, and legislation are all environment protection, and we work outlined in the whole process under the very closely with communities and land claims agreement. That is a process hamlets on any types of spills that may through NERB, a very comprehensive occur. The immediate response is with process when it comes to environmental Environment Canada or INAC and with protection, and everybody is made aware us and communities, and also with the of their responsibilities under that proponent who is responsible for the fuel process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. that is either being spilled or where it is. Immediate clean-up takes place. The Speaker: Thank you, Minister responsibility lies with the proponent. Shewchuk. Your final supplementary, There’s no question about that. Mr. Aupaluktuq. However, we will ensure and work in cooperation to ensure immediate action Mr. Aupaluktuq: Thank you, Mr. is taken on all spills. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Speaker. Environment’s website includes information on this subject, including a Speaker: Thank you, Minister document titled “Contingency Planning Shewchuk. Your second supplementary, and Spill Reporting in Nunavut.” After Mr. Aupaluktuq. reviewing this document, I would note that it still refers to the old “Department Mr. Aupaluktuq: Thank you, Mr. of Sustainable Development,” so I would Speaker. As the pace of mining suggest that it should be updated. development in Nunavut increases so do the environmental risks associated with My question for the minister is this: such projects. Can the minister clarify would he commit to having his what role his department plays in department produce and table an annual working with companies and other levels report in the Legislative Assembly that of government to ensure that these describes his department’s activities projects have adequate contingency under our territorial Environmental plans in place to deal with spills and Protection Act? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. other incidents that have the potential to damage the environment? Thank you, Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Aupaluktuq. Mr. Speaker. Minister of Environment, Minister Shewchuk. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Aupaluktuq. Minister of Environment, Minister Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, Shewchuk. Mr. Speaker. Thank you for that information. I will ensure that that happens, that we update our website.

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As far as tabling information, we do important. They represent the meaning provide numbers of spills and numbers of Nunavut’s creation itself, to ensure of occurrences to take place, and that the Inuit language and culture. This is type of information, Mr. Speaker, I can very important and has to be properly say, will be tabled. If there’s any further planned. There is no doubt that when it information, I would like more detail on would come into force is also very exactly what the member is referring to. important to the Department of CLEY. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are preparing solid plans together on that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Shewchuk. Oral Questions. Member for Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. Amittuq, Mr. Tapardjuk. Your first supplementary, Mr. Tapardjuk. Question 207 – 3(3): Coming into Force “Official Languages Act” Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank (Tapardjuk) you, Mr. Speaker. If this is indeed a high Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank priority, why have we not seen it in the you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for Nunavut Gazette? The cabinet has yet to the Premier in her capacity as the initiate the legislation, specifically the Chairperson of the Executive Council. Official Languages Act. Some parts of the Inuit Language Protection Act have As the Premier is aware, Nunavut’s new started to be implemented and they are Official Languages Act, which was clearly identified. passed by the Legislative Assembly in 2008, is not yet in force. Section 49 of Mr. Speaker, I’m asking the Premier the Official Languages Act provides that, again. You keep stating that it’s and I quote, “This Act or any portion of important and a priority. When is cabinet this Act comes into force on a day or going to initiate the enactment of the days to be fixed by order of the Official Languages Act? Thank you, Mr. Commissioner.” This means that the Speaker. cabinet has the authority to decide when the Act will come into force. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. Minister of Executive and Can the Premier tell me today when the Intergovernmental Affairs, Madam cabinet will bring the new Official Premier. Languages Act into force? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has to be Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. carefully planned out because it is Minister responsible for Executive and indeed a priority. We need to have our Intergovernmental Affairs, Madam staff who will be responsible for Premier. Inuktitut translations and bilingual staff have to be available. Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The language At this current time, the departments that laws and the need to enact them are very have a role are also trying to plan how

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1446 they will implement this legislation. Up the legislation once the cabinet has to date, the planning has not been provided direction. I’m trying to ask the completed, so I cannot give you a date as Premier when the cabinet will deal with to when it will be in force at this time. the Official Languages Act. Thank you, However, it’s quite obvious that my Mr. Speaker. fellow minister, the Minister of CLEY, as well as the government as a whole Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. will keep the public informed as to Minister of Executive and where we’re at. Intergovernmental Affairs, Madam Premier. Staff who are capable in Inuktitut as well as those capable in French and Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): Inuinnaqtun will be increased in number Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to to speed up this process. This is thank the member for asking these extremely important. We sometimes questions because they’re very important have to wait for the translation into to the people of Nunavut. I will be Inuktitut or Inuinnaqtun. I can reiterate happier once the plans are completed by that this is being worked on. the departments. We will ensure, as we have always done from the beginning, The departments are working on plans this work is done. Once the plans are that they have to submit to the completed by the departments, as per Department of CLEY. At this current their deadlines, and are submitted to us, time, I don’t know the individual status we can then announce when they would of the departments’ plans, so I can’t come into force. Thank you, Mr. make a statement on that. Thank you, Speaker. Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. Oral Questions. Member for Iqaluit Your second supplementary, Mr. West, Madam Ell. Tapardjuk. Question 208 – 3(3): Conditions at Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank Iqaluit Public Health Centre (Ell) you, Mr. Speaker. Section 49 of Nunavut’s Official Languages Act states Ms. Ell (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. that the Act will be enacted by order of Speaker. I was informed by some of my the Commissioner. The Commissioner constituents about a concern they had cannot make that order until cabinet with the public health centre. My decides on the date for the enactment of question is directed to the Minister of the Official Languages Act Health and Social Services and it’s regarding what they have heard about The enactment of the Inuit Language the overcrowding at the public health Protection Act is already set. The centre. They have quite a large number Education Act also has dates, but the of employees. At present, they’re Official Languages Act is still in limbo. holding a flu vaccination clinic. Could Section 49 of the Official Languages Act the minister tell us what he has heard on states that the Commissioner shall enact

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1447 that to this point? Thank you, Mr. the operations of the public health Speaker. centre. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ell. Minister Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. of Health and Social Services, Minister Your second supplementary, Ms. Ell. Curley. Ms. Ell (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): Speaker. The building is quite old and Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question, I we sometimes hear that it drips. There believe, is directed to the public health are concerns amongst the workers. Can centre here in Iqaluit and the fact that the minister speak to the age or there was an attempt to set it on fire. I condition of this building? I believe it’s heard about it, but I don’t have all the one of the oldest buildings in Nunavut. details. My officials are supposed to Thank you. inform me once they know about the details. It’s not government property; we Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ell. Minister are leasing it. I did hear that an attempt of Health and Social Services, Minister was made to set fire to the building. Curley. Once I get more information, I will be able to speak to it, Mr. Speaker. Thank Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree with the member’s comments about that building. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. What I can state is that we will have to Your first supplementary, Ms. Ell. look at the condition rating, but we don’t deal with that directly. I will have to Ms. Ell (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. discuss that with the Department of Speaker. Can the minister provide Community and Government Services. information as to whether the public health centre’s operation is continuing Buildings that are leased by the uninterrupted? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. government are generally leased for a number of years and in that lease, it Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ell. Minister states who is responsible for the of Health and Social Services, Minister maintenance and any other issues related Curley. to maintenance. If there are any other issues that are unacceptable, I will first Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): find out. I’m assuming that I will have to Mr. Speaker, I don’t have any details work with CGS to see how we can whether this has slowed any services resolve these issues. Thank you, Mr. provided by the public health centre and Speaker. if there were any issues related to that, I would have been informed. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. Your final supplementary, Ms. Ell. With respect to the attempted arson, which was on the outside, around the Ms. Ell (interpretation): We haven’t porch area, once I have all the details, I heard much about the attempted arson. I will be able to say whether it impacted don’t think there’s a security camera in

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1448 the building, although most government wondering if there have been any plans buildings have that. Will they do that so that this is no longer the case. We now for the public health centre? Thank hear so much about plans and I wonder you. if that has been done as well so that there is adequate funding for elders in the Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ell. Minister future. Elders are our foundation and of Health and Social Services, Minister without them, none of us would be here. Curley. It is a growing concern that elders are Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): forced to use their own limited funds and Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I stated just fundraise for their initiatives. That’s not now, once I have received the details, I very good to look at when we have the will be able to speak to it. If there are Department of CLEY that’s supposed to any recommendations to the security look after those issues. Can the minister issues, I will have to discuss that with consider this aspect of funding for my colleague, the Minister of CGS, as to elders? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. how to resolve that. Once we have received the report of the investigation, I Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. will be able to report back to the House. Minister of Culture, Language, Elders Thank you, Mr. Speaker. and Youth, Minister Arreak.

Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): Oral Questions. Member for Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank my Pangnirtung, Mr. Oshutapik. colleague for being very protective of our elders. What he just stated is very Question 209 – 3(3): Funding for true. We do have proposals available for Elders (Oshutapik) elders and youth towards their activities. If they have a committee for their Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank operations and a building and operating you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct funds for it, we do accept proposals. my question to the Minister of CLEY. With respect to grants only for elders, Up to today, our elders in nearly every we don’t have any funds in CLEY for community form our foundation. We what he is specifically asking about. Of rely on them whenever we want to find course, that is a very good thing to out about any issue and whenever there consider. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. is anything we are not aware of. It’s sometimes observable that when elders Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. have to go somewhere or when they Your first supplementary, Mr. have to undertake an activity, even Oshutapik. within the community, we are forcing them to do this without any funds. Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Are the communities On one hand, we say the elders are our made aware of the program that you foundation, but on the other hand, we’re mentioned? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. keeping them impoverished. I’m

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Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. We know that a lot of the elders don’t Minister of Culture, Language, Elders have a building. If there is a building and Youth, Minister Arreak. that has been made available for them, they can request funding for renovations. Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): They can apply for operational funding Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Wherever we and they can apply for as much as they can, we provide that information through feel is enough for their operations. I written materials, through the radio believe that proposals would be stations, and we try to provide reviewed but not all of them would be information at the beginning of the year, funded. I believe it starts from $1,000 to at mid-year, and at the end of the fiscal over $20,000 or $30,000. Thank you, year. We do have these proposals open Mr. Speaker. all year long and we can provide more information. We try to use all the media Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. available to us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Your final supplementary, Mr. Oshutapik. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. Your second supplementary, Mr. Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank Oshutapik. you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the minister for providing good replies. I will make Mr. Oshutapik (interpretation): Thank this my last question. Now, elders don’t you, Mr. Speaker. You just stated that have a lot of resources available, they you have some funds available for don’t operate like offices do, and most of operations and buildings. Not all them haven’t gone through the school communities have a building. In our system. This causes difficulties for them. community, the elders have a sod hut What about funding for a part-time that they use and they have to heat it if worker? If we were to apply for that, they’re going to use it in the winter. I would you make that funding available feel that they’re not being treated to us? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. adequately. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. You stated that there was funding Minister of Culture, Language, Elders available, so I will keep note of that. and Youth, Minister Arreak. What are the limits of funding available to each community? Thank you, Mr. Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are no restrictions on hiring a worker. This Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Oshutapik. could be included in their application for Minister of Culture, Language, Elders funding. Furthermore, the GN has and Youth, Minister Arreak. started hiring government liaison officers in every community, so that Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): could be a resource for our elders. Thank Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank Mr. you, Mr. Speaker. Oshutapik for his question. With respect to operations, they can apply to what they assume will be enough for the year.

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Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. minister himself has participated in some Oral Questions. Member for Quttiktuq, of those activities and I’m sure he has Mr. Elliott. had reports back from the task force as to how it has been going in terms of the Question 210 – 3(3): Update on meetings. I’m just wondering: are there Liquor Task Force (Elliott) any emerging themes that seem to be coming up or suggestions that you feel Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. will be put into this? Thank you. My question is for the Minister of Finance. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Minister of Finance, Minister Peterson. Well over a year ago, the liquor task force was established and had travelled Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. across the territory trying to elicit Speaker. I thank Mr. Elliott again for the suggestions to our Liquor Act. I’m just question. Mr. Speaker, I have wondering if the minister could provide deliberately left the task force to be at an update to that today. Thank you, Mr. arm’s length from myself as the Minister Speaker. of Finance, although I have attended three community meetings in Cambridge Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Bay, Grise Fiord, and Resolute Bay. Minister of Finance, Minister Peterson. There are quite a diverse number of opinions about liquor in Nunavut. Some Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. people say, “Get rid of the liquor Speaker. I thank Mr. Elliott for the altogether,” and others are saying, “Let’s question. First of all, Mr. Speaker, I have more liquor stores.” Some people would like to thank the members of the say that we should have more rules to task force for their time in undertaking control alcohol. this very important task for all of Nunavut. It’s going to be very difficult when the task force actually sits down and writes a Mr. Speaker, I made a commitment that report. When you have 25 communities, all communities in Nunavut would be you can get 40 to 100 people in every visited. Unfortunately the task force has community coming out to town hall been delayed by weather and other meetings and you’re talking to different reasons, and at this time, has not been groups throughout the community. able to get into all communities. They There’s quite a, as I said, diverse thought told me that they hope to get into all the on what we should do about alcohol in communities this fall and I hope to have Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. a report some time in the winter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. Your second supplementary, Mr. Elliott. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. Your first supplementary, Mr. Elliott. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that’s part of the reason why I was Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. asking the questions in terms of it’s your Thank you for that response. I know the department that will be rolling up

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1451 everyone’s opinions and putting them Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. into a report that will hopefully be Your final supplementary, Mr. Elliott. included and reflected in the legislation. Out of curiosity, just to sort of help Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. establish a timeline: has a legislative With almost two years left in our term, proposal been completed for what’s when do you intend to introduce this bill happening with this Act? Thank you, in the House? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Minister of Finance, Minister Peterson. Minister of Finance, Minister Peterson. Hon. Keith Peterson: Mr. Speaker, I Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. thank Mr. Elliott again for the question. I Speaker. Again I thank Mr. Elliott for know he’s quite keen on seeing a new the question. Mr. Speaker, as I said, the bill in the House. I do recognize the Minister’s Task Force on the Review of timelines. I can’t say with any certainty the Liquor Act is independent and at when we would introduce a legislative arm’s length from myself and my proposal and start working on the officials, although we do provide some legislation, if any. Thank you, Mr. logistical support to the group. There is Speaker. an organization that has been hired to work with them, to undertake all the Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. travels, and to help them write the Oral Questions. Member for Nanulik, report. My staff and I won’t be sitting Mr. Ningeongan. down to help them write the report because, obviously, I would be accused Question 211 – 3(3): Rethinking of trying to water the report down or Support for Sports (Ningeongan) something. Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank There has been no legislative proposal you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct developed yet. Initially I had hoped that my question to the minister responsible the task force would get into all the for sports and recreation programs, the communities within a year. It has proven Minister of CLEY. to be quite a challenge. As everybody knows, when you’re travelling in In my earlier statement, I called upon the Nunavut, three regions and 25 government to explore different options communities, you’ve got weather to support and fund sports across problems, you’ve got airplane problems, Nunavut. and then you’ve got summers that people like to take off and go camping and Can the minister clearly describe how fishing. policies for selecting teams to represent Nunavut at the Arctic Winter Games are So we’re hoping that we will get a report established? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. later this year or early in the New Year, and then we will go from there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. Furthermore, to date, we still use the Minister of Culture, Language, Elders same process, specifically in the regional and Youth, Minister Arreak. trials, where they compete and assess each team. In the non-team individual Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): sports, some individuals chosen are still Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to picked from these tournaments. That has thank Mr. Ningeongan for keeping the continued to be the practice to date. youth in mind, which we all have to do. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When it comes to the Arctic Winter Games, there is a process to select Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. athletes and coaches. They are selected Your second supplementary, Mr. generally by territorial sports Ningeongan. organizations. These selections are made by organizations, such as Hockey Mr. Ningeongan: Thank you, Mr. Nunavut, the Nunavut Soccer Speaker. In my view, the government Association, and the Nunavut could be more creative in expanding the Badminton Association. Thank you, Mr. opportunities for youth to participate in Speaker. sports across Nunavut and to create more opportunities for teams and individuals Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. to advance in their respective sports. Can Your first supplementary, Mr. the minister describe what consideration, Ningeongan. if any, has been given to increasing the amount of support and funding for sport Mr. Ningeongan: Thank you, Mr. teams across Nunavut? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s Statement, I Speaker. described the two different approaches that have been used to select teams to Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. represent Nunavut at events, such as the Minister of Culture, Language, Elders Arctic Winter Games. One approach is and Youth, Minister Arreak. to select the winning team from the territorial championships. The other Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): approach is to select individual athletes Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Because he is a to form a new Nunavut team. Can the fellow Inuk, he can ask these questions minister clarify for this House the in our language. rationale for choosing one approach over the other? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is the way it is set up currently. When they’re looking at representatives Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. for the Arctic Winter Games, which will Minister of Culture, Language, Elders be in Whitehorse this upcoming spring, and Youth, Minister Arreak. there are several trials coming up in February. Luckily the funds for Hon. James Arreak (interpretation): operations of the Arctic Winter Games Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I spoke to have been sufficient to date. They previously, the sports organizations haven’t requested any further funds make those decisions on the players and since their operational funds are the coaches. That is still the process. sufficient. Thank you.

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Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. the practice that we have inherited with Your final supplementary, Mr. the regional sports bodies. I have faith in Ningeongan. the regional sports organizations and in the teams that compete to win the Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank regional trials. When the athletes come you, Mr. Speaker. Let me speak in together to represent Nunavut, they’re Inuktitut. not representing a community but the territory in those winter games. Will the minister commit to raising the issue of having two teams represent I can agree that this is something that we Nunavut? Based on my earlier could consider. I cannot tell him for sure comments with respect to the winning that this will be implemented for the teams, they work together for many upcoming winter games but perhaps in months and they practise really hard to the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. prepare for the tournament. They put all their hard work and dedication into this. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Arreak. Oral Questions. Member for Nattilik, The teams work really hard to fundraise Ms. Ugyuk. to attend a tournament. Sometimes it seems all their efforts are for naught Question 212 – 3(3): Support for because less competitive players are Women’s Shelters (Ugyuk) taken out and they have to get new team members. So the winning team that had Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, expected to represent the territory has Mr. Speaker. Usually we have a little fun their dreams crushed because some of on Fridays but not today. With members are replaced. Halloween just around the corner, it is becoming a time to get scared. Can the minister consider, along with the bodies that he alluded to, the issue of >>Laughter having two teams represent Nunavut, one being the territorial champion team I would like to direct my question to the and one being a Nunavut all-star team? Minister of Health. So maybe if they had a two-pronged approach, there would be many more Yesterday we approved the capital young people participating in these budget towards the strategy. We also winter games. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. know that there is the Family Abuse Intervention Act. How are they going to Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. support one another? If he can explain Minister of Culture, Language, Elders how that works. Thank you, Mr. and Youth, Minister Arreak. Speaker.

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Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): action plan and a strategy in order to Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for expend our funding. Thank you, Mr. your question. I wasn’t able to respond Speaker to the question that was posed yesterday. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. The funding is within Executive and Your first supplementary, Ms. Ugyuk. Intergovernmental Affairs to start considering that. That responsibility was Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, transferred to our department this spring. Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister of When that crime prevention program Health and Social Services for the was transferred, it included the funding answers. Another question: how many for that program. It was transferred from facilities do you have in regard to EIA to the Department of Health and women’s shelters? Thank you, Mr. Social Services. We will try to complete Speaker. the comprehensive review of the crime prevention and healthy family initiatives Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. by the end of this winter. This budget of Minister of Health and Social Services, $177,000 was geared towards that. Minister Curley.

The Minister of Culture, Language, Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): Elders and Youth had responded to some Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will try to of your questions in regard to providing give a bit more detail. Based on the better support for elders. The information I have, I believe you had departments have to work together, so I raised that question last year about the have to talk with the department’s numbers and those numbers haven’t minister in regard to the alcohol abuse changed much since then. strategy. I know that we have been told that these are often late, but we need to In the Kitikmeot, some of the facilities have an action plan. Without such a that used to be operated have been plan, we cannot expend funds. closed recently. I believe there used to be three in that region. The one in Why are we late, Mr. Speaker? The Taloyoak, I believe, has been closed. I previous government was the cause for will have to check into this later on. In the delay. When we took this on, the the Kivalliq, there was one facility that mental health position was in Cambridge operated out of Rankin Inlet. In the Bay. We weren’t able to hire the director Baffin region, there were two facilities, for four years since we work in a with one here in Iqaluit and the other in decentralized model. Mental health and Cape Dorset that received assistance to addictions workers take care of family provide this service. In Cape Dorset, the violence programs. That is why it is hamlet had responsibility for social taking so long. services and it was not a GN responsibility. For those of us sitting over here, we are working on the action plan. I know that What I can state is that things are some people are impatient, but as the changing and I will be able to provide Auditor General had stated, we need an more details on the number of facilities

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1455 at a later date. At the end of September, fully. While the funding is also for the Hamlet of Cape Dorset transferred implementing the family violence their social services responsibilities back programs, will there be consideration to to the Department of Health and Social open more facilities in Nunavut? Thank Services as they were unable to keep up you, Mr. Speaker. with all the demands. I will have to check into this and once I have those Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. details, I can get back to the member. Minister of Health and Social Services, Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister Curley.

Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): Your second supplementary, Ms. Ugyuk. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I stated previously, the plans for healthy Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, families, I believe, will be introduced Mr. Speaker. I look forward to the near the end of December. We have answers. I’m just wondering how many made a lot of progress as a government. shelters are open in Nunavut. Another This working document is progressing question: what amount of funding is and it includes plans on the budget. used to operate the shelters in Nunavut? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My expectations are that we will use shelters less. We want to see healthy Speaker: Thank you, Ms. Ugyuk. families and healthy lifestyles. We have Minister of Health and Social Services, to keep talking about crime and violence Minister Curley. in every community in all of Nunavut. If we could keep the number of shelters Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): down, it would be much better. Once we Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let us be have introduced the report, we will be aware that the shelters are operating in able to show what we are trying to Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet, and Cambridge accomplish in terms of crime prevention Bay. I believe the one in Cambridge Bay and preventing violence at home. We has room for four. If you include all of should not just be run by reacting to them and if you look at Iqaluit, to the crime. I think we have to keep end of 2010, operating funds totalled $1 encouraging healthy families and try to million. In the Rankin Inlet shelter, they focus on the priorities of being in a used $250,000 based on their budget. In healthy relationship. Cambridge Bay, they used $85,000. In Taloyoak, they had expended $110,000 The government cannot deal with this for the 2010 fiscal year. At this time, I issue alone. We have to include church don’t have the details for the current bodies. Perhaps if we were to turn to year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. ourselves and to our communities to try to fix our lifestyles, it would be much Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. easier because every person has a choice Your final supplementary, Ms. Ugyuk. as to how they live their lives. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for replying

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Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. Health Centres. The question that I had Oral Questions. Member for Hudson asked was based around the electronic Bay, Mr. Rumbolt. health records and what was in place in case of a territory-wide communications Question 213 – 3(3): “Solution Box” failure like there was this past month. I on Government Website was happy to note that there is (Rumbolt) redundancy in the system to be able to Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. allow health care workers to access our My questions are for the Minister of records. Executive and Intergovernmental Affairs, Madam Premier. In part of the answer, it talked about multiple site disaster recovery for health Mr. Speaker, recently I was on the care data storage in the electronic health Government of Nunavut’s website and I record. I’m just wondering: for the have noticed something that I haven’t information that is stored in terms of seen there before. There was a new icon privacy and the information about called the “Solution Box.” Can the individuals within the territory, where is minister explain when this solution box that information stored? By the sounds was added and its purpose? Thank you, of it, it sounds like they’re stored in Mr. Speaker. different locations. Is that information stored in one specific location or in Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Rumbolt. different locations? Thank you, Mr. Minister responsible for Executive and Speaker. Intergovernmental Affairs, Madam Premier. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Minister of Health and Social Services, Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): Minister Curley. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I haven’t seen that icon. (interpretation ends) I’ll take Hon. Tagak Curley: Thank you, Mr. that as notice (interpretation) so that I Speaker. A very important question and can take a look at it. Thank you. I think the member deserves a proper response. I will contact my officials to Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. see whether or not we can update my The question has been taken as notice. response to the member that I stated Moving on. Oral Questions. Member for before. Once I have that information, I’ll Quttiktuq, Mr. Elliott. make further announcements before too long. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Question 214 – 3(3): Electronic Health Records (Elliott) Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. Your first supplementary, Mr. Elliott. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Health and Social Services, the Hon. The minister did not take my question as Tagak Curley. They’re in regard to notice, so I’ll continue along with the Return to Oral Question 158 – 3(3), same line of questioning. Specifically, is Emergency Preparedness at Nunavut the information stored within Nunavut or

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1457 is it stored outside of the territory as Hon. Tagak Curley: Thank you, Mr. well? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker. I think the member knows quite well that we are guided by federal and Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. territorial privacy laws, and so on. I Minister of Health and Social Services, think these are quite well respected. I’m Minister Curley. not 100 percent clear whether he is referring to electronic records or local Hon. Tagak Curley: Thank you, Mr. data information about that. Maybe if he Speaker. Without infringing on the clarifies the question, it will form part of privacy of an individual and whatnot of my response to him when I do make a where the person’s particular medical statement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. record may be stored, I will consider the question and provide that information Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. when I do so when it’s available. Thank Could you clarify your question, Mr. you, Mr. Speaker. Elliott.

Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. Mr. Elliott: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Thank Your second supplementary, Mr. Elliott. you. I was specifically speaking about electronic records. Otherwise, I figured I Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. would be called out of order because I Again, I think everyone across the would have been changing the way I was territory has the right to know where our asking questions. I was specifically personal information is stored, whether talking about electronic health records. I it’s on a server, in a GN facility here specifically wanted to know because I’m within the territory, or whether it’s in a well aware of the privacy policy GN facility in Ottawa or Toronto or any information within the health centres and location across Canada. That how people are not allowed to access our information and researching different private information in terms of companies of where information is communication individually. stored, it’s amazing sometimes where our personal information ends up, I’m talking about the specific handling sometimes in Japan and sometimes in of electronic files across the territory and China. So out of curiosity, I was just what protocols are put in place. Again, curious and would like to know. this would be pretty technical in terms of what types of firewalls, what types of My next question is: in terms of the security passwords, and who has access security for our private and personal to those passwords because, again, we’re information, what types of security talking about our private information, protocols does Health and Social probably at multiple sites, whether it’s in Services have in place to guarantee that the home community, in Iqaluit, in our information is kept safe? Thank you, Ottawa or Winnipeg or Edmonton, Mr. Speaker. where health care is taken care of for individuals in our territory. Thank you, Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Mr. Speaker. Minister of Health and Social Services, Minister Curley.

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Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. interdepartmental questions that are Minister of Health and Social Services, involved, including the Department of Minister Curley. Justice or whatnot. Our officials always make sure that they contact various Hon. Tagak Curley: Thank you, Mr. levels of government to ensure that all Speaker. A very important question. I protocols are followed. It’s not just one can assure the member that the client department like health with government does take all security respect to information technology that questions seriously. We work with CGS we’re contacted. Precautions are taken. I on these very complex technology issues can assure the member that proper and they have particular sort of very well protocols are followed, including established protocols in place. When I coordination with all the other do make a statement, we will probably departments, if they are affected. Thank indicate exactly how the whole you, Mr. Speaker. electronic health information system operates. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. Members will note that the time for Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. question period has expired. We will Your final supplementary, Mr. Elliott. move on in the Orders of the Day, Item 7. Written Questions. Item 8. Returns to Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Written Questions. Item 9. Replies to My final question in regard to that Opening Address. Item 10. Petitions. handing of information, the minister sort Item 11. Responses to Petitions. Item 12. of alluded to that. If I could find out: Reports of Standing and Special when we’re talking about computer Committees on Bills and Other Matters. systems, electronic records, and the Item 13. Tabling of Documents. Minister handing of that information, is it just responsible for Executive and Health and Social Services, that specific Intergovernmental Affairs, Madam department that is responsible and is Premier. required to handle our private confidential electronic health Item 13: Tabling of Documents information, or is other government departments involved in that process, Tabled Document 119 – 3(3): Annual whether it would be CGS or any other Report on the Administration of department within the government? the Government of Nunavut’s Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act for the Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Period April 11, 2009 to March 21, Minister of Health and Social Services, 2010 (Aariak) Minister Curley. Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): Hon. Tagak Curley: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation Speaker. I would like to provide the ends) I am pleased to table the Annual information to the member properly, but Report on the Administration of the I think he should know that the whole Government of Nunavut’s Access to government coordinates if there are any Information and Protection of Privacy

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Act for the Period April 1, 2009 to Tabled Document 123 – 3(3): March 31, 2010. (interpretation) Thank Transportation of Dangerous you, Mr. Speaker. Goods Annual Report 2010-2011 (Taptuna) Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. Hon. Peter Taptuna: Thank you, Mr. Tabling of Documents. Member for Speaker. I have two documents that I Nanulik, Mr. Ningeongan. want to table. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to table the Transportation and Tabled Document 120 – 3(3): Dangerous Goods Annual Report for Correspondence from the Hamlet 2009-2010 and also the other report of of Coral Harbour Re: Electoral 2010-11. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Boundaries Commission (Ningeongan) Speaker: Thank you, Minister Taptuna. Tabled Document 121 – 3(3): Item 13. Tabling of Documents. Minister Correspondence from the Hamlet of Executive and Intergovernmental of Chesterfield Inlet Re: Proposed Affairs, Madam Premier. Changes to the Chesterfield Inlet Constituency (Ningeongan) Tabled Document 124 – 3(3): F/P/T Ministerial Report on the Mr. Ningeongan: Thank you, Mr. Aboriginal Affairs Working Speaker. I would like to table two letters Group in Ottawa, Ontario April today. The first letter is from the Hamlet 18 to 19, 2011 (Aariak) Council of Coral Harbour. The second letter is from the Hamlet Council of Tabled Document 125 – 3(3): 2009- Chesterfield Inlet regarding the Electoral 2010 Annual Report on the State Boundaries Commission’s of Inuit Culture and Society recommendations. Both letters indicate (Aariak) support for the status quo on our current Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): electoral boundaries. I plan on reading Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation the letters at the Committee of the ends) I am pleased to table the F/P/T Whole today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ministerial Report on the Aboriginal Affairs Working Group in Ottawa, Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan. Ontario April 18 to 19, 2011. Tabling of Documents. Minister responsible for Economic Development I would also like to table the 2009-2010 and Transportation, Minister Taptuna. Annual Report on the State of Inuit Culture and Society. Thank you, Mr. Tabled Document 122 – 3(3): Speaker. Transportation of Dangerous Goods Annual Report 2009-2010 Speaker: Thank you, Madam Premier. (Taptuna) Item 13. Tabling of Documents. Minister of Finance, Minister Peterson.

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Tabled Document 126 – 3(3): GN Bills 14 and 22 with Mr. Ningeongan in Grants and Contributions 2010- the Chair. 2011 (Peterson) Before we proceed, we will take a short Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. 10-minute break. Speaker. I am pleased to table the GN Grants and Contributions 2010-2011. Sergeant-at-Arms. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>House recessed at 11:03 and Speaker: Thank you, Minister Peterson. Committee resumed at 11:23 Tabling of Documents. Minister of Health and Social Services, Minister Item 19: Consideration in Committee Curley. of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters Tabled Document 127 – 3(3): Chief Medical Officer of Health’s 2010 Chairman (Mr. Ningeongan) Tobacco Control Act Annual (interpretation): Good late morning. We Report (Curley) now have quorum and we can proceed with the meeting. I would like to call the Tabled Document 128 – 3(3): Nunavut committee meeting to order. In Tobacco Reduction Framework Committee of the Whole, we have the for Action Titled “Tobacco Has No following items to deal with: Bills 14 Place Here” for 2011-2016 and 22. What is the wish of the (Curley) committee? Mr. Aupaluktuq. Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation Mr. Aupaluktuq: Thank you, Mr. ends) I am pleased to table the Chief Chairman. We would like to complete Medical of Health’s 2010 Tobacco the review of Bill 14 and we will Control Act Annual Report. proceed to review Bill 22. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. The second document, Mr. Speaker, I Chairman. am pleased to table today is the Nunavut Tobacco Reduction Framework for Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Action titled “Tobacco Has No Place Mr. Aupaluktuq. Are we in agreement Here” for 2011-2016. Thank you, Mr. that we first deal with Bill 14? Speaker. Some Members: Agreed Speaker: Thank you, Minister Curley. Item 13. Tabling of Documents. Item 14. Bill 14 – Supplementary Notices of Motions. Item 15. Notices of Appropriation (Capital) Act, No. Motions for First Reading of Bills. Item 2, 2011-2012 – Consideration in 16. Motions. Item 17. First Reading of Committee Bills. Item 18. Second Reading of Bills. Item 19. Consideration in Committee of Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. the Whole of Bills and Other Matters. As that is the case, Minister Peterson, I would like to ask if you would like to

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1461 have officials with you at the witness >>Laughter table. (interpretation) Thank you. I don’t think Hon. Keith Peterson: Yes, Mr. there are any questions as I have no Chairman, I would like to have officials names on my list. Do you agree? with me. Thank you. Some Members: Agreed. Chairman (interpretation): Are we in agreement to bring in the witnesses? Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Page 4. (interpretation ends) Total Some Members: Agreed Department. $850,000. (interpretation) Do you agree? Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the Some Members: Agreed. witnesses in. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Thank you. Minister Peterson, for the We can now go to page 5. (interpretation record please introduce your witness. ends) Culture, Language, Elders and Youth. Not Previously Authorized. Total Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Culture and Heritage. $6,480,000. Chairman. My witness is Mr. Chris (interpretation) Are there any questions D’Arcy, Deputy Minister of the on that line item? Mr. Tapardjuk. Department of Finance. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wish to welcome Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Peterson and Mr. D’Arcy. The Minister Peterson. I welcome your $6,480,000 is going to be removed from witness. Yesterday we didn’t conclude the Nunavut Heritage Centre line item. I Bill 14 and we were in the would like to ask: in the short-term supplementary appropriation on page 4. future, will this fund be reallocated back Department of Finance. (interpretation to this line item? We really need the ends) Not Previously Authorized. Nunavut Heritage Centre in Iqaluit to Centrally Administered Funds. Total house our resources. Will we have to Centrally Administered Funds. start from scratch within the Department $850,000. (interpretation) Are there any of CLEY? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. further questions? Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, I have to apologize to the Minister Mr. Tapardjuk. I apologize. I didn’t responsible for Nunavut Arctic College. realize that the wording was stated as While I was asking questions yesterday, being returned. Thank you, Mr. I had said stimulator when I was Tapardjuk, for identifying that. Minister supposed to say simulator and I Peterson. apologize to the minister. (interpretation ends) I can attempt to stimulate the Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. minister to give me a better answer, Chairman. I thank Mr. Tapardjuk for the maybe. question. Mr. Chairman, the government

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1462 would have to start over again. Thank that Iqaluit would indeed be the place. you, Mr. Chairman. My question is: the fact that Iqaluit was identified as the location, has that been Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, removed as well? Thank you, Mr. Minister Peterson. Mr. Tapardjuk. Chairman.

Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, you. With that excluded, this will mean Mr. Tapardjuk. Minister Peterson. that there are no funds set aside for the Nunavut Heritage Centre, although this Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. government has already spent a large Chairman. I again thank Mr. Tapardjuk sum at the planning stage. for the question. Mr. Chairman, to my knowledge, there has been no Will Iqaluit still be the location as per discussions to change the future location the previous decision or will the from Iqaluit. We haven’t had those government now have to conduct discussions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. another study on which community would be best suited for a heritage Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, centre? Will this require another study? Minister Peterson. Are there any further As he stated, we would have to start over questions? I will read it again. again. So with the past decision to (interpretation ends) Culture, Language, choose Iqaluit as the location and with Elders and Youth. Not Previously the deletion of this funding, does this Authorized. Total Culture and Heritage. mean that Iqaluit is no longer the -$6,480,000. (interpretation) Do you choice? I would like the minister to agree? clarify that first, Mr. Chairman. Some Members: Agreed. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. Minister Peterson. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Total Department. -$6,480,000. Do you Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. agree? Chairman. I thank Mr. Tapardjuk for the question. Mr. Chairman, it’s our Some Members: Agreed. understanding and belief that the land that was identified as part of what’s Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. called a capital district would likely still Go to page 6. (interpretation ends) be available. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Community and Government Services. Not Previously Authorized. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, (interpretation) There are three items for Minister Peterson. Mr. Tapardjuk. Capital Planning. -$1,781,000. (interpretation ends) Petroleum Products Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): It was Division. Total Petroleum Products previously identified that Iqaluit would Division. (interpretation) -$25,000. be the location and the government Down at the bottom, (interpretation approved it. There has been a report ends) Total Department. (interpretation) announced in the Legislative Assembly -$1,806,000. Not Previously Authorized.

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Are there any questions? I don’t see any Some Members: Agreed. show of hands. I’ll go through it one last time. (interpretation ends) Community Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. and Government Services. Not It’s nice to hear enthusiastic responses. Previously Authorized. Capital Planning. Go back to page 2. (interpretation ends) Total Capital Planning. (interpretation) - Schedule 1. Capital. Capital $1,781,000. Do you agree? Appropriation. -$3,436,000. (interpretation) Do you agree? Some Members: Agreed. Some Members: Agreed. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Just underneath that, (interpretation Chairman (interpretation): I don’t ends) Petroleum Products Division. believe there were any questions. Go to Total Petroleum Products Division. Bill 14 in your white binders. We need (interpretation) -$25,000. Do you agree? to go through it clause by clause. I think Bill 14 is in front of you. (interpretation Some Members: Agreed. ends) Bill 14, Supplementary Appropriation (Capital) Act, No. 2, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. 2011-2012. Clause 1. (interpretation) Do Down at the bottom, (interpretation you agree? ends) Total Department. (interpretation) -$1,806,000. Do you agree? You didn’t Some Members: Agreed seem very enthusiastic about that one. Chairman: Clause 2. (interpretation) Do Some Members: Agreed. you agree?

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Some Members: Agreed Go to page 7. Economic Development and Transportation. Capital. Chairman: Clause 3 (interpretation) and Transportation. Not Previously the Schedule on page 2. Do you agree? Authorized. (interpretation ends) Total Transportation. $4 million. Some Members: Agreed (interpretation) Are there any questions? I see no show of hands. I’ll go through it Chairman: Clause 4. (interpretation) Do again. Economic Development and you agree? Transportation. Not Previously Authorized. Total Transportation. $4 Some Members: Agreed million. Do you agree? Chairman: Clause 5. (interpretation) Do Some Members: Agreed. you agree?

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Some Members: Agreed Down at the bottom, (interpretation ends) Total Department. $4 million. Chairman: Clause 6. (interpretation) Do (interpretation) Do you agree? you agree?

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Some Members: Agreed Chairman (Mr. Enook)(interpretation): We can now proceed. At this time, we Chairman: Clause 7. (interpretation) Do will deal with Bill 22. I would like to ask you agree? the Speaker of the House to make an appearance and please escort him to the Some Members: Agreed witness table, Sergeant-at-Arms.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. (interpretation ends) Thank you. Mr. Are we agreed to Bill 14 as a whole? Speaker, do you wish to bring witnesses to the witness table? Some Members: Agreed Bill 22 – An Act Respecting the Chairman (interpretation): Pursuant to Constituencies of Nunavut – Rule 62(2), are we agreed that Bill 14 Consideration in Committee can be placed on the orders of the day for third reading? Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, I do. Some Members: Agreed Chairman (interpretation): Sergeant-at- Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Arms, please escort the witnesses in. Minister Peterson, do you have any closing remarks? (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, please introduce your witnesses. Hon. Keith Peterson: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to thank yourself Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It and the members of the Committee of gives me great pleasure today to the Whole for your excellent questions introduce the officials that are here with the last couple days. I would like to me from Elections Nunavut. To my right thank my cabinet colleagues for being in is Ms. Sandy Kusugak, the Chief attendance both days to answer any Electoral Officer for Elections Nunavut, detailed questions at the Committee of and to my left is Mr. Patrick Orr, who is the Whole, as I asked. the Legal Counsel for Elections Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would also like to thank my staff at the Department of Finance for working hard Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. on preparing these documents. Finally, I Welcome to the both of you. Mr. would like to thank my Deputy Minister Speaker, do you have opening remarks of Finance for appearing as a witness and, if you do, please proceed. Thank yesterday and today. Thank you, Mr. you. Chairman. Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, am pleased to have the opportunity to Minister Peterson and your deputy appear today before the Committee of minister. Thank you for concluding to the Whole on the occasion of its this point. Sergeant-at-Arms, please consideration of Bill 22, An Act escort the witnesses out.

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Respecting the Constituencies of I would like to take this opportunity to Nunavut. pay tribute to the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer for her innovative As members will recall, the Legislative approach to modernizing the Assembly passed a motion at its sitting authoritative legal descriptions of our of October 25, 2010 to establish an constituencies through the provision of independent electoral boundaries digital maps. commission, pursuant to the Nunavut Elections Act. The members of the I would also like to take this opportunity Electoral Boundaries Commission were to remind members that the process for the Hon. Justice Ted Richard, Mr. Kirt reviewing the boundaries of Ejesiak, and Mr. Gordon Main. constituencies was amended earlier this year through the Legislative Assembly’s Given the unique circumstances of our passage of Bill 12. As members will jurisdiction, the challenge of ensuring recall, the Nunavut Elections Act was fair and effective representation for our amended to start the regular 10-year residents in their legislature is not an adjustment in 2022. Lots of two’s. This easy one. I would like to take this change will enhance the predictability of opportunity to publicly thank the the redistribution cycle. The timing of members of the Electoral Boundaries the establishment of the next boundaries Commission for their hard work, commission will enable it to utilize the comprehensive report, and thoughtful results of the 2021 national census. recommendations. As members are aware, the size of our The report of the Nunavut Electoral legislature has remained unchanged Boundaries Commission was publicly since the creation of the territory in released in June of this year and 1999. I believe that it is important to formally tabled in this House on note that if the Legislative Assembly September 28, 2011, along with the approves the passage of the bill that is commission’s addendum of August 8, before us today, the related adjustments 2011. that we have approved to the redistribution cycle are such that by the As required by section 28 of the Nunavut time that the next electoral boundaries Elections Act, the Office of the Chief commission is established, our Electoral Officer has prepared a bill to legislature’s size will have experienced implement the recommendations of the only one change in approximately a Electoral Boundaries Commission quarter of a century. concerning the number, names, and boundaries of our constituencies. The Mr. Chairman, that concludes my bill that is before members today opening comments. I look forward to establishes 22 constituencies in Nunavut, responding to any questions that my the names and boundaries of which colleagues might have. Thank you, Mr. reflect the recommendations in the Chairman. commission’s report. These constituencies will take effect at the next Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, general election. Mr. Speaker. Before we proceed with the

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1466 clause-by-clause review of Bill 22, I letter is to inform you that we are not in would like to remind members that we support of the proposed electoral have proposed motions to this bill and boundary which purpose is to add three they are in front of you in the blue more members to the legislative binders. These motions will be brought assembly. up at the appropriate time. At this time, before we proceed with Bill 22, are there We know that Nunavut Government is any questions or general comments from not doing well financially to be able to members? Mr. Ningeongan. accommodate three more members. Our question to the Government, how Mr. Ningeongan (interpretation): Thank confident do they feel it will better you, Mr. Chairman. I thank you for benefit communities? Does the being provided this opportunity. I Government feel that the current recently spoke on these two issues boundary is not benefiting communities during our meeting and I had tabled as well as it should by proposing to add correspondence. I will be reading the three more members? correspondence and it would be preferable if copies were handed out. If you have any questions, please don’t These are copies of the letters I received hesitate to contact our office. from the hamlet councils of Chesterfield Inlet and Coral Harbour. Kind Regards,

Mr. Chairman, for clarity, I would like to Dorothy Ningeocheak tell you that this is not only coming from Mayor of Coral Harbour” me personally. This bill was scrutinized and after reporting on this issue, I (interpretation) That’s the first requested feedback from Chesterfield correspondence and the second one is Inlet and Coral Harbour residents on from the hamlet council. It’s addressed their thoughts on the findings and that to me and it’s in regard to the would be the foundation on which I (interpretation ends) proposed changes would make my official position. Now to the Chesterfield Inlet constituency. that they have communicated their positions, I will be reading them word “Hi Johnny, for word. I believe you are just getting copies now. The Hamlet Council discussed the proposed changes to the riding of This is from the Hamlet Council of Chesterfield Inlet and we would like to Coral Harbour. In English, it reads: express that we are not in favour of this proposal. Residents and Council would (interpretation ends) “Re: Electoral like the Chesterfield Inlet/Coral Harbour boundary commission. Nanulik Riding to remain as it is.

Dear Johnny, Also adding new constituency offices in Nunavut will mean more dollars spent, On behalf of the Hamlet Council of we are not in favour of this also. The Coral Harbour and the community, this additional offices proposed will add to a

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1467 lot to the current budget that the As MLA for Arviat, I have heard from Government has to work with. The my constituents. I have also heard current riding has worked for us, and we recommendations that were made at the believe it will continue to work for us. Electoral Boundaries Commission Please consider the concerns this meeting that was held there. I have also community has and we hope to hear a met with the hamlet and council of positive response. Arviat. They’re all in support of this Bill 22 and having another MLA in Arviat. Thank you. Arviat is the fastest growing community in Nunavut. The present population is Sincerely, nearing 3,000 people. It’s felt by all of the community that we need to have fair Harry Aggark representation in the Legislative Mayor Assembly. Hamlet of Chesterfield Inlet” So by voicing these thoughts and the Mr. Chairman, I just want to state for the concerns of the people of Arviat, and record that I was extremely pleased to be again, respecting the boundaries given directions from my constituents to commission, and in lieu of Nunavut represent them today. Had I not received growing as a whole, and the timelines these letters, I would probably be that we have faced in front of us about debating within myself, but given that I visiting this again into the future, which have been given the grounds to pursue would be a long time, I will be the way of hamlet councils’ of Coral supporting the bill in its original state, as Harbour and Chesterfield Inlet letters. it is right now. I am very proud to do so Therefore, I will stand to vote against the and I thank the commission for their recommended electoral boundary that hard work. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. was done by the commission. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, (interpretation) I hope I was clear on my Minister Shewchuk. Mr. Elliott. position on the matter. (interpretation ends) Qujannamiik, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One of the things I would like to make Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, abundantly clear is I agree 100 percent Mr. Ningeongan. Mr. Shewchuk. with what the Member from Rankin Inlet South and Whale Cove had said Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, yesterday when he spoke to the principle Mr. Chairman. I know that this is a very of the bill in terms of the quality of the important topic and one that needs to be report and the good work that the debated. However, I just want to say that commission has done, and echoed by we put the electoral boundaries into many other ministers. I am not disputing place and tasked them with a very the quality of the report. The lines which important job that they went out and did. have been set up for boundaries, I am I respect them very much for consulting not disputing any of that. with all Nunavutmiut and coming back with the recommendations that they did.

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I’m not making extra work or adding but as I thought it through, this is anything to the bill other than the actual something that affects the whole of date that it comes into force. My Nunavut, so I feel that my vote on this suggestion, which will come through my will count. Having said that the riding of motion, is to postpone this until a later Hudson Bay wouldn’t be affected, the date when the territory, as the member commission did take it upon itself to from Nanulik’s communities have move the boundaries of Hudson Bay pointed out, is more financially able to further out into Hudson Bay to give handle three new MLAs and the costs Arviat more space to go on the waters. incurred with that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I respect all the fine and hard work done by the commission on Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, this task. I think they did a lot of good Mr. Elliott. Mr. Rumbolt. work. A lot of hard work went into this. It was no easy task. I also respect all the Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. input from affected communities to help Chairman. Although I do have the commission come to their comments on this bill, before I do that, I conclusions. I also respect all my would like to say that pursuant to our colleagues here today who are voicing Rule 45(2)(a), I move that we remain in their reasons why or why not the Committee of the Whole until we are boundaries commission’s findings finished with Bill 22 here today. Thank should or should not be accepted here you, Mr. Chairman. today. I also realize that Nunavut has a growing population and a need for more Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Rumbolt. MLAs to represent our growing The motion is in order. It is not population may be a reality, but I’m just debatable. All those in favour. All those not sure if that reality is now or in the opposed. The motion is carried. Thank future. you, Mr. Rumbolt. Did you want to make a comment? Mr. Rumbolt, please. Mr. Chairman, there is also the cost factor of increasing the number of Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. MLAs. I hear that the O&M cost for new Chairman. I guess before I start, I should MLA positions will cost the government state for the record that I put this motion over $1 million a year plus the added into the House to put Bill 22 into cost of renovations to this building to Committee of the Whole because I’m a accommodate new MLAs because of the member of the MSB board, but I still lack of space. With the costs associated have the right to vote either way on this with this bill, a couple questions come to bill. mind. Given the financial situation of this government, do we need to add extra Mr. Chairman, being from the only costs to our government? Could this $1 riding that was not affected by this million a year be better spent to serve the commission, it puts me in kind of a little people of Nunavut better? bit of an awkward situation. I was thinking that because of that reason, I guess in closing, the question remains maybe I should not have to vote on this, how I will vote here today. In the short

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1469 term, I thought about the financial a number actually, and I think the situations of Nunavut and hopefully realization is that with the proposed those financial situations can be boundaries, there’s a question I have to overcome in the near future. I think, for ask. the better of Nunavut in the long term, I will vote in favour of this motion today. It’s no slight or disrespect to my Thank you, Mr. Chairman. colleagues in the Kivalliq, but in the electoral boundaries’ proposal, the map Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, shown for L19 for Rankin Inlet North, Mr. Rumbolt. Mr. Aupaluktuq. the boundary crosses way into Baker Lake lands. In fact, even more so than Mr. Aupaluktuq: Thank you, Mr. our own community, we have the Kazan Speaker. It’s a very important day here River and those traditional hunting area that is going to affect and change the grounds which will greatly affect our structure and face of Nunavut. It is very community in terms of land title, use, difficult to take this in, not because I and partnerships. This is going to don’t have the ability, but in a sense, the drastically change the face of Nunavut work has been done. There have been and Baker Lake will be impacted in such mechanisms in place in order to ensure a way that it appears we’re losing a lot that the people of Nunavut were able to of our boundary. voice their concerns. The Electoral Boundaries Commission advertised I don’t know how the Electoral through all kinds of media to get people Boundaries Commission decided that to provide their input. Rankin Inlet North/Chesterfield Inlet’s proposed area exceeds its boundaries If this bill goes through, my community way into Baker Lake. With this, I know won’t be able to have effective for a fact that my community has had a representation for a number of years, for chance to voice its concerns, but this a long time. Baker Lake is growing. decision is up in the air for me. I support We’re expanding just as much as any Nunavut in expanding, but as well, with other community. During this time, the fiscal restraints, people are Baker Lake won’t be able to have fair questioning how we can continue to and equal representation because of the spend when we have financial troubles large number of population growth too in Nunavut, which is why I kind of said with the economic use of natural earlier on in my statement, Mr. resources. Chairman, that it’s a very difficult choice for me. I understand that the people of Baker Lake had an opportunity to be informed Baker Lake will need another MLA very by way of media, television, radio, soon and, if this passes through, we’re posters, and advertisements. Just like going to have to wait for a long time. At anybody in Nunavut, the community had the same time, the gist of what I’m an opportunity to voice their issues and saying, Mr. Chairman, is the people of concerns. Though I do appreciate the Baker Lake have difficulty with having growth of Nunavut, I have spoken to to have the boundary changed for our several people back in Baker Lake, quite riding. So at this point, I’m not prepared

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1470 to make a statement as to whether I’ll be he indicated that he thought if this goes for or against. ahead, they would have to wait a long time before the next electoral boundaries So with this, Mr. Chairman, I just want commission was formed. Regardless of to state that there are residents of Baker whether this goes or not, the next Lake rather very confused as to how our electoral boundaries commission is not boundaries can be lost to the south of until 2022. So our decision today on this Baker Lake. It’s a very vast riding that bill doesn’t affect when the next Rankin Inlet North would be taking up electoral boundaries commission will be from our own boundaries. struck.

So with this, I can’t state that I will be As far as his concern regarding the for or against at this time. I think it’s rationale for changing the boundaries for very important that the people of Baker the constituencies, the Electoral Lake understand that this changes the Boundaries Commission is an whole landscape and boundary. I do independent body with a mandate to have a problem with the extended provide recommendations for the boundary for my colleagues in the east Legislative Assembly’s consideration. I from the coastal area. We, as believe that the report that has been in mainlanders, will be losing a lot of our the public domain since June basically riding. This land is very traditional to us. speaks for itself. As far as his concerns, I We have the Harvaqtuuq/Kazan people think the other important thing to and that area has traditionally and remember is that I would assume that always has been Baker Lake, but we do these boundaries are for election share the land with our fellow purposes only. Thank you, Mr. Kivallirmiut. I find it very troubling that Chairman. we have lost a lot of that boundary to the south of Baker Lake. Chairman: Qujannamiik, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Tapardjuk. With this, it’s just very difficult to determine my present vote at this time. I Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank just wanted to make a statement for the you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to make people of Baker Lake on behalf of Baker a brief comment. First of all, I would Lake for the record that there is an like to thank the commission. The opportunity for their voices to be heard. hamlet was asked if they would like to At this point, I’m not fully prepared to see the Electoral Boundaries vote for or against. Thank you, Mr. Commission come to their community. Chairman. Although the Igloolik Hamlet Council and the Hall Beach Hamlet Council were Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Aupaluktuq. late, it was good to have the commission Mr. Speaker, did you want to make a listen to the residents of Igloolik and comment? Mr. Speaker. Hall Beach. I thank the commission for coming to my communities of Igloolik Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. and Hall Beach. Just to clarify a couple of questions that the Member for Baker Lake had, I think

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If we look at Igloolik and Hall Beach, Ejesiak, and Gordon Main for a job well the population is 2,421 and they have done. They gave us documents, one MLA. If you look at the population informational items, and we were able to of all the other electoral boundaries, it provide feedback on their boundary was thought that Igloolik and Hall Beach commission questions. will require another MLA. I thank the commission for doing their work and Based on the estimated population putting the request made by the two growth numbers for 2010, our communities. I’ll be supporting the bill. population estimate was 7,054 residents and it is obvious that the population has In , which used to be an outpost grown since. Back in 1999, although I’m camp but few people are living there not reading off any documentation to now, I’m sure the outpost camp would back it up, I believe our population was be populated again in the future. If that a little over 3,000. Our population has didn’t change, the MLA from Kugaaruk doubled since that time. would have represented the outpost camp from Igloolik. That has been If we are to wait another 10 years, with rectified. If there was an outpost camp in the population growth being the greatest the Aggu area, they will now be part of here in Iqaluit, it is apparent that at this Igloolik. I would like to thank the current rate, the ratio of residents to commission again and I am satisfied MLAs will not work with only three with the boundary lines. I just wanted to representatives if we don’t approve this make that comment. electoral boundaries recommendation. Even if we extrapolate the current rate, if My constituents have directed me to vote we look at 2022, there is no way to in favour of this for good reason, Mr. know. The population is close to 10,000 Chairman. residents and perhaps it will reach 20,000. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. Ms. Ell. I’ll switch to English to read a passage in the report. (interpretation ends) The Ms. Ell (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. main issues confronting the commission Chairman. When we started discussing could be summarized as follows: the the electoral boundaries, I had to make a present configuration of 19 decision. First of all, why, when we have constituencies does not appear to comply three ridings in Iqaluit, do we need to with every citizen’s charter guarantee of have four ridings? I thought about this effective representation in the for a long time. legislature, in particular, relative parity of voting power. During the consultation of the electoral boundaries, the commission was very (interpretation) With that in mind, the receptive and visited nine communities. ratio by which the people need to be I’m sorry that there was a low turnout in represented, I will draw your attention to Iqaluit back on January 11, 2011. The such issues as the lack of housing. meeting was open to the public. I would During the consultation, nobody said like to thank Justice J.E. Richard, Kirt

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1472 that they’re going to start working on the Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Mr. Chairman, shortage of housing. I’m not quite sure if this is the appropriate time to do this, but when we People in Iqaluit are aware that nobody do vote on this, I would like to call for a approached me to oppose this. However, recorded vote. I received a correspondence from the City of Iqaluit, which wants me to Chairman: Mr. Shewchuk, thank you support this bill, and they wanted the and we will take that request. We’re just ridings’ names changed. I had to trying to figure out exactly when will be consider a lot of information. For that best to do it. reason, I will be in support of this bill. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Any other comments/questions? (interpretation) I have no more names on Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, my list. We will now proceed with the Ms. Ell. To remind members, I am just clause-by-clause review of the bill. I the Chairman. Are there any other believe that you have a copy of Bill 22 general comments? Ms. Ugyuk. in front of you.

Ms. Ugyuk (interpretation): Thank you. (interpretation ends) There seems to be With respect to this report submitted by some members with the bill in front of the commission, I want to start by them and others without. I am request expressing my appreciation for its hard that we take a 5- to 10-minute break to work. make sure that all of us have a copy of the bill. So we will be back in 10 Under page 18 of the report, it states that minutes. Thank you. where an MLA represents more than one community, the perception is that the >>Committee recessed at 12:18 and community that the MLA is from gets resumed at 12:27 better represented than the other community. In the future, MLAs will be Chairman (Mr. Ningeongan): Welcome asked to represent all of their back, committee members. Mr. Enook communities equally. If they live in the and I had agreed to switch chairs for a other community, they have to ensure few more minutes. Mr. Enook wanted to that they treat the other equally. This is be given a chance to comment on Bill 22 what is written in this report and I before we actually get into the vote and appreciate the comments written for our the clause by clause. So I will allow Mr. benefit by the commission. Thank you, Enook to proceed. Mr. Enook. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am the member Ms. Ugyuk. Does anyone else have representing Tununiq, which is the comments? I have no more names on my community of Pond Inlet. I am honoured list. (interpretation ends) Mr. Shewchuk, and proud to represent Pond Inlet here in did you want to make a comment? this House.

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Ever since I was elected, I have tried to annually. We will have to find that ensure that I voice Pond Inlet’s wishes, money. Where is it going to come from? concerns, and beliefs. I have consulted The communities have needs and with my constituents about this matter. requests and they have been denied due They have provided me with a clear to the lack of resources or funding time direction, Mr. Chairman, that they want and again. Many people in society live in me to present their comments and great poverty, but then we say that we concerns about this work. can find $1 million right away for three new MLAs. I concur with all the comments made by my colleagues as we totally respect the Chairman (interpretation): Hold on, Mr. Electoral Boundaries Commission for Enook. There is a point of order on the carrying out a very difficult mandate. floor. I would like Mr. Curley to They worked hard to the best of their elaborate on his point of order. Mr. abilities. We are proud of them and we Curley. don’t want to waste their hard work on this very important issue for our future. Point of Order

Sometimes, for example, when we are Hon. Tagak Curley: Mr. Chairman, I voting on an issue, even though we would urge that my point of order is that know what kind of an outcome it will it’s imputed or one of the speakers may have, we want to speak to the principles have inferred that either someone is not of what we believe in. I will talk about wise. In Inuktitut, it is quite clear. my beliefs as well as those of the (interpretation) The comment was that community of Pond Inlet. Although I someone was coined as being unwise. have a bit of an expectation of what the (interpretation ends) I think that is outcome will be, for the record, I’m sure offensive to the House and I would ask that if I needed to be reminded in the the member to withdraw that statement. future, they can do so with respect to the Thank you, Mr. Chairman. kind of comments I made. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, The Electoral Boundaries Commission Minister Curley. Mr. Enook, if you did their work very wisely. We were understood the point of order and you elected in our communities because they disagree with it, I would like you to look up to us. When we don’t agree with elaborate. Mr. Enook. that, does that make us unwise? I don’t think so. I don’t think that anybody Mr. Enook (interpretation): Mr. should be called foolish because they Chairman, I don’t agree with that. Could didn’t agree with an issue, as some you deal with that issue? members stated yesterday. I know that Nunavummiut want to have good Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, representatives and we want to represent Mr. Enook. I’m sorry, my colleagues. As them very well. the Chair, Mr. Enook didn’t mention a name in his comments, so we have to I and the residents of Pond Inlet still respect his expression of wisdom. So don’t believe how we can use $1 million therefore, at this time, I find that there’s

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1474 no point of order. Mr. Enook, please When you come to the Chamber, please conclude your statement. put your cell phones on silent mode. We’re now going to exchange seats. Mr. Enook (interpretation): Thank you, Thank you. Mr. Chairman. Thank you for clarifying that. Chairman (Mr. Enook)(interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Ningeongan, for giving As I stated earlier, Nunavut communities me the opportunity to make general and the residents are always in shortage comments. I have no further names on of their needs that are very important. my list for general comments. We will The majority of the time, we cannot proceed with the clause-by-clause approve their requests because of lack of review of Bill 22. I’m sure everyone has funds. We always say that there’s no a copy of Bill 22. Clause 1. Do you funding. The money is not going to agree? appear out of nowhere. I hope I can be respectful if I say that if we can come up Some Members: Agreed. with $1 million for three additional MLAs, we would be congratulated. We Chairman (interpretation): Clause 2. Do want to represent our communities fully you agree? Mr. Tapardjuk. and I agree with that wholeheartedly. (interpretation ends) Sorry.

At this time, I cannot support this bill. I Committee Motions agree with the intent, but the Minister of Finance keeps telling us to be prudent Committee Motion 005 – 3(3): and that there’s limited funding Amendment to Schedule of Bill 22 available. So how can we come up with (Tapardjuk) $1 million in a short period of time? So I Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank won’t be able to believe myself because you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to move the people in our communities work very a motion to Bill 22. I move that the hard due to lack of resources, but we can schedule to the bill be amended by: come up with $1 million right away. (a) striking out “Igloolik North” in We can all represent people, we are very part 1, Names of Constituencies, capable representatives, and we can and replacing it with “Aggu”; work harder to represent our people if and we want to. Mr. Chairman, for that reason, I will be voting against this bill. (b) striking out “Igloolik North” in Thank you, Mr. Chairman. part 2, Maps for Convenience of Reference, and replacing it with Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, “Aggu.” Mr. Enook. As the Chair, one doesn’t want to be in favour of one side or That’s my motion. I’ll do that one first another, so Mr. Enook and I will and then do the other motion afterwards. exchange seats. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk. The motion is in order.

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To the motion. All those in favour. Is this a typo? Is it supposed to say Opposed. The motion is carried. Thank “Rankin Inlet North and Chesterfield you. Mr. Tapardjuk. Inlet” and it was forgotten to be included as such? If I could get clarification on Committee Motion 006 – 3(3): that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Amendment to Schedule of Bill 22 (Tapardjuk) Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank Mr. Kusugak. (interpretation ends) Mr. you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to make Speaker. a motion while we are in this committee. I move that the schedule of the bill be Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. amended by: The report of the Electoral Boundaries Commission says “Rankin Inlet North.” (a) striking out “Igloolik South” in That was the way that they presented it part 1, Names of Constituencies, and that’s the way that the schedule was and replacing it with “Amittuq”; drafted based on the report. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (b) striking out “Igloolik South” in part 2, Maps for Convenience of Chairman: Qujannamiik, Mr. Speaker. Reference, and replacing it with Mr. Aupaluktuq. “Amittuq” Mr. Aupaluktuq: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I want to ask the officials. In my prior comments as to how the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, boundaries were established, specifically Mr. Tapardjuk. The motion is in order. I’m referring to Baker Lake as well as To the motion. All those in favour, raise the Rankin Inlet North boundaries, how your hand. Opposed. The motion is was it determined as to the extent of carried. Thank you. each riding boundary? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At this time, I would like to recognize Mr. Kusugak. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Aupaluktuq. (interpretation ends) Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. While we are on this topic, I would like to raise a Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We question to the Elections Nunavut can’t answer that. It’s the Electoral officials. Boundaries Commission that came up with those boundaries and the task that Based on the names in the riding, it has Elections Nunavut had was to draft up a an identifier, but it just states Rankin bill based on the report that was Inlet North. I believe that Chesterfield provided to them by the Electoral Inlet should be included, but I’m not Boundaries Commission. So we can’t sure if that was just a clerical error. answer that question on behalf of the Perhaps it will be better if I ask the commission. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. question in English. (interpretation ends)

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Chairman: Qujannamiik, Mr. Speaker. replacing it with “Fourth Legislative (interpretation) We will continue with Assembly dissolves.” the clause-by-clause review of Bill 22. Clause 2, as amended. Do you agree? Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask for a recorded vote. Thank you. Some Members: Agreed. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. (interpretation) To the motion. Mr. Clause 3. (interpretation ends) Madam Elliott. Premier. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): wanted to take the opportunity to speak Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I had my towards my motion again. I have hand up quite a while back and no one mentioned some of my comments in saw me. I was going to ask if we needed terms of why I’m putting forward the to correct the way the names are spelled. motion. Again I would like to state that When can we have that opportunity to for clause 1 and clause 2 of the bill, I’m make changes? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. in favour of what’s being proposed and I’m in favour of the increase in terms of Chairman: Qujannamiik, Madam the good work that the Electoral Premier. Mr. Speaker. Boundaries Commission has done through the Hon. Justice Ted Richard, Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As Mr. Kirt Ejesiak, and Mr. Gordon Main. with any legislation, there is also always an opportunity to bring forward In respect for Mr. Ningark, who is not amendments at any time in the future here, as I represent three communities, I once it has been passed. Thank you, Mr. recognize how hard it is for him in being Chairman. able to travel between two regions of Kugaaruk and Repulse Bay. Chairman: Qujannamiik, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation) We will continue. Clause With that being said, in Grise Fiord and 3. Do you agree? Mr. Elliott. Resolute Bay, I am being told constantly and also during the review of the Committee Motion 007 – 3(3): electoral boundaries, it was made clear Amendment to Clause 3 of Bill 22 to me that those two communities would (Elliott) love to have representation with a Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. separate MLA because of the unique Everyone should have a copy of the situation, much like what’s in motion that I’m about to present. Sanikiluaq. The good people in Grise Fiord and Resolute Bay, I think, Mr. Chairman, the motion is that clause constantly are aware that the population 3 of the bill be amended by striking out does not warrant an MLA. “Third Legislative Assembly dissolves, but no earlier than six months after the In terms of putting forward the motion day this Act receives assent” and that I’m putting forward and kind of pushing those aside and looking at it

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1477 from a different angle, I had spent most saying, “Throw that work away.” I’m of the summer trying to think of a way not saying, “Redo the work.” I’m just of handling the situation. saying, “Postpone it until the next Assembly, when we’re in a better When we were presented with the financial situation to handle that.” Electoral Boundaries Commission, like I had said, it’s great. I’m sure if we go to The other part to that is we have many every community and say, “Would you reports lying around. We have the like to have another MLA?” Everyone Nunavut housing survey, which says we would say, “Sure, I would love to have need close to 3,800 houses and we can’t someone represent us,” but at what seem to find the money to build those price? In terms of three new MLAs houses right away, yet we get a report representing, $1.4 million in our O&M from the commission saying that we budget, this bill will see us go from 19 need to increase the number of MLAs MLAs to 22. and we are able to make the decision to find that money. What I would like to do in terms of making my intentions clear is the fact The other thing we’re doing is we’re that we hear all the time and we had the telling our employees to work harder. Budget Address talking about tightening We negotiate collective agreements and our belts, and we are really strapped for we’re telling them that we don’t have the funding. This morning, we shifted money to increase wages and in reality, money from a much needed heritage we don’t. We don’t have the money to centre to help fund other projects. Again, continue to increase wages. As I a lot of times, we bounce back and forth mentioned before, we postponed the between the needs that we have. heritage centre by reallocating $6 million to other projects. Over the summer, I watched globally and sort of watched to see what was When we approve this Act, what we’re happening in the United States. We seem actually saying is that the Legislative to be following the same trend that they Assembly budget will be increased by are in the sense that one of the things $1.4 million annually in the coming that they have done for years and years Assembly. At the same time, it doesn’t is increase their debt cap. We’re talking include the capital expenses to change about and contemplating the idea of our Legislative Assembly to increasing our debt cap. One of the other accommodate 22 members. If you look issues that they had was that their public around this building, you can see that service continues to grow and grow. we’re kind of cramped both for space for Every year, when we are presented with MLAs and space for guests when they new O&M main estimates, the public come to watch. service does continue to grow. In terms of where this money will come We have been told, “We have a report. from, we all know that it will come from Let’s not throw this one away.” To that, other programs. It will come from other I’m saying two things. With what I’m departments to help cover what we are proposing with my motion, I’m not about to decide today. Again, I’m not

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1478 saying, “Throw away the good work of What does this mean to us? We’re on the the commission.” I’m not saying, “Don’t verge of a huge potential for saving add new MLAs where legislated.” I’m money and increased income. just saying, “Let’s postpone it for the next Assembly.” With my motion, all I’m saying is we’re not there yet. We have everything in We’ve had our Premier talk about place for a brighter future. I’m saying I devolution and the potentials that are feel that we are in a very good position there for devolution once it comes to move forward, but there are going to online. We have O&M and PYs for be a few tight years. As the Minister of seven people working towards Finance has said, “We need to tighten devolution. our belts and be prudent with the funding that we have.” I think our We’ve had our Minister of ED&T talk budgets will be stretched very thin for about the potential of jobs and revenue the next couple of years and I think we with mines and the revenue coming to need to think ahead. I want money the territory through that. allocated to programs for my constituents, not for new MLAs. We’ve had the Minister of Environment talk about the proper management of our Again I want to explain what I’m wildlife harvesting, coupled with proposing. I’m proposing that we agree opening new markets for the sale of with what the commission report is these products as well as the fishing saying. I’m saying that we say the good industry and the growth potential there. work done by everyone in the commission has not been done in vain. We’ve had the Minister of Health and I’m saying, “Let’s accept this bill with Social Services come before us and talk the motion to put it forward.” I’m saying about streamlining services following that 22 members are warranted, but we the Auditor General of Canada’s report don’t have the financial resources at this and streamlining finances there, which time to handle it. With everything that’s will translate into incredible savings for in place and working towards a vibrant us. future and working towards the Tamapta Action Plan in the next Assembly, we We’ve had the Minister responsible for will be ready to handle this. That’s what the Nunavut Housing Corporation come I’m saying, Mr. Chairman. before us and say that with their new financial practices and the new board, What I’m proposing is to defer the start there will be cost savings there. date of this, to move it to the Fifth Legislative Assembly at a cost savings, We’ve had the Minister of Community at that time, of about $6 million, and do and Government Services come before this when our territory is more us and talk about the better planning of financially sound. To me, this is fiscal capital projects and the cost savings responsibility. It is the logical course of there. action. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, during our debate and maybe we should Mr. Elliott. To the motion. Mr. Curley. not have even established a commission and waited until the Fourth Assembly for Hon. Tagak Curley (interpretation): a boundaries commission. With that, I Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Indeed, I would like to say that we have already think we all understand that here on this deferred it. earth, life is not perfect and we cannot wait for everything to be laid out before Some Nunavutmiut know that we have we start on it. to strengthen this Assembly and we need further support by increasing the number Here in Nunavut, our people have a of members. One of the reasons is that fairly hard life and I think we are all there are people out there who are in dire aware of that. Our ancestors depended straits. It is said that the government has on animals and they had to survive in too much power with respect to contracts one of the harshest climates. They could or that hamlets are delegated more not wait for the weather to become nice responsibility because businesses are and warm. They didn’t procrastinate by disappearing. We need more legislators waiting for better weather as they had to who can bring new ideas to the table for survive. There were times where the future of Nunavut. circumstances did lead to easier times, but we don’t have that kind of choice in Many people disagree with only living here. government employees getting to do all the work. That is why, and I can say this One of my analogies is that one can have myself, we need further support. We fun putting together a jigsaw puzzle have no roads going into the since you don’t have to make any pieces. communities and very few people make All you do is find the right part and put it comments or voice their concerns. If we together. However, some of us also increase the number of representatives make jigsaw puzzles with no intent to here, I think it would make it a lot easier. play the game. By that, I mean that the Possibly some of them will become Second Assembly’s electoral boundaries ministers. commission was given a mandate. Their original report was deferred since some When anything to do with the of the recommendations were not government is blamed… . For example, conducive to implementation and their as the minister, I said that if there was a recommendations were not in line with board set up, funding would be much their mandate. better. I think that I have to clarify that point. There were financial experts in the Another reason for this deferral was due communities outside the Nunavut to the wording of the motion put forward Housing Corporation, but some of them by the previous Speaker, that it should couldn’t be assigned to fill vacant be deferred or to not approve the report positions and that became one of the of the commission by way of this motion reasons why we faltered. There was not to strike out the Third Legislative enough financial information within the Assembly and to replace it with the previous housing corporation. fourth. We should have thought of that

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We’re in a better position now, even had deferred it already and there are though we didn’t increase the number of people out there who are willing to positions but filled the vacant positions. support it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I don’t know if having a board is going to increase revenue, but I know that Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, scrutiny of the housing corporation is Mr. Curley. (interpretation ends) To the going to increase, as it should have been motion. Mr. Tapardjuk. done in the past. There has to be oversight on this matter. Mr. Tapardjuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to this We can build houses, but the question is: motion, I am definitely opposed to the are these houses affordable? That’s one idea to defer this issue. My reason, Mr. of the problem areas. It’s easy to build Chairman, is that his reasoning is fiscal houses for rent, but this has been given restraint, following the comments he by the federal government to CMHC and made earlier. it stated that these houses should be affordable to the people who are going I would like my constituents and the to rent them. I can get into details on the people of Nunavut to understand that issue of affordability. Some of the this would not be put into force until construction costs, the operations and 2013 or 2014. We’re not talking about maintenance funding, come from 2011 or 2012. We are looking at the next CMHC. So that’s the kind of difficulty general election, where the $1 million we run into when the federal government would be expended. fails to provide funding. This present government and the I can speak to it better in English, but at ministers worked very hard to have this time, I’m speaking in Inuktitut and ongoing negotiations with the federal there might be a slight difference government to supplement the monies. I because what comes out will be written look forward and I believe that in 2013 very clear in Inuktitut. What I’m saying or possibly 2014, the fiscal position of is that when the federal government the government will improve. We can gives us money for housing… . see that our financial situation is improving and that we’re reducing our Chairman: Excuse me, Mr. Curley. This deficit. I look forward to 2013 or 2014, is just a reminder to please try and speak when the concerns we heard will not be to the motion. Thank you. there.

Hon. Tagak Curley: Thank you. I would like to tell my constituents that (interpretation) What I’m saying is that a we will improve and there will be two lot of comments were made about representatives for Igloolik and Hall finance, health, and housing. With that, I Beach. The mover of the motion is know that we have to deal with it and no saying that it’s not going to be the case. one needs to preach to me about it. If we support this motion, it will not be effective until 2018-19. I look forward to Mr. Chairman, we have the opportunity having two representatives in my riding now to support this motion because we at the next election. I’m more concerned

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1481 about my constituents who elected me to constituents, and also speak to what I’m sit here. Their needs within the Nunavut trying to accomplish with this motion. government are very important to me and it’s up to me to voice them in the It was sort of alluded to that I don’t House. believe in our government and I criticize the government. I think there’s a fine We have a motion and I know that at the distinction between the idea of next general election, we will have two criticizing and asking questions to try representatives. The concerns that were and elicit answers to figure out what’s voiced or the reasoning behind it are of going on within the government to hold no concern to me because I believe in the government accountable. this present government. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With that said, that’s a discussion for another day, but I would like to say what Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, I was making with my comments in Mr. Tapardjuk. To the motion. Madam terms of financial management and Aariak. proper financial management, properly setting up a board and all that. If Hon. Eva Aariak (interpretation): anything was misunderstood in the way I Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The last was explaining my comments, what I speaker was very articulate on the was saying was we’re on the right track question I wanted to raise, but I will and everything is in motion. proceed and ask the mover of the motion. He wants a deferral because of By 2017, when we have different minds financial restraints. I want to ask: if there coming online, when we’re finding the was no change to the motion, when benefits to these royalties coming in would the funding come into force? when devolution is on track, when we’ve Thank you. had the realizations of these things happening, I think, if anything, I’m Chairman: Qujannamiik, Madam giving the Government of Nunavut a Premier. (interpretation) I would like to vote of confidence in terms of I believe remind you that when there’s a motion what you’re saying. I believe that we on the floor, you seem to be asking a have better management of capital question. When there’s a motion on the projects, we have better project officers floor, you can make comments to the managing those capital projects in our motion with no questions. Thank you. I communities, and those savings will apologize. Question has been called. actually be of benefit and add to the (interpretation ends) Mr. Elliott, your extra revenues that we will have. I just reply. Go ahead, Mr. Elliott. don’t think we’re there yet.

Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know it has been said many times that As the mover of the motion, I believe I things don’t happen overnight. Again, have the last chance to say a few words we only have to look to what the Hon. about the motion that I’m putting Member for Amittuq has been trying to forward, so I’ll take my opportunity to point out for the last two days about how speak to the motion, speak to my the Government of Nunavut doesn’t

Friday, October 28, 2011 Nunavut Hansard 1482 always enforce Acts that are passed. An All those opposed, please stand and sit Act that was passed in the previous down when I call your name. Assembly, an Act that’s as important as the Language Act, isn’t actually Mr. Rumbolt. enforced yet. So to me, I’m correctly talking about… . Mr. Tapardjuk.

Chairman: Mr. Elliott, excuse me. This Ms. Ugyuk. is just a friendly reminder to try and speak to the motion as much as possible, Mr. Oshutapik. if not all of it. Thank you. Ms. Ell. Mr. Elliott: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So again, I’m speaking to fiscal Mr. Schell. responsibility and the idea that in the future, we will be in a better position. Mr. Shewchuk.

So with that said, I know they were also Mr. Curley. alluding to the fact that… . Mr. Chairman, in my teachings that I Mr. Taptuna. received from hunters and elders, hunters do take risks, but they take Madam Eva Aariak. calculated risks. They get up in the morning, they look at the weather, they Mr. Arreak. analyze whether the weather is stormy or calm. If the weather is stormy, they Mr. Kusugak. postpone the hunt until the next day, when things are calmer. With that said, Mr. Peterson. Mr. Chairman, thank you. The motion is carried. Thank you. >>Applause Speaker: No, it’s defeated. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Elliott. That was quite eloquent. A recorded vote has >>Laughter been requested. All those in favour, please stand and sit down when I call Chairman: I rely on these guys and I your name. All those in favour of the apologize, but the motion is defeated. motion, please stand and sit down when I’m sorry. My apologies to the House. I call your name. Okay, we go on, life continues, and we Mr. Elliott. still have work to do. (interpretation) My colleagues, we will now go clause by Mr. Aupaluktuq. clause. Clause 3. Do you agree?

Mr. Ningeongan. Some Members: Agreed.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Arreak. My colleagues, if you can go to the Schedule. The members agreed to part 2 Mr. Kusugak. of the Schedule, as amended. Do members agree to the place names in Mr. Peterson. parts 1 and 2 as amended? (interpretation) Thank you. Some Members: Agreed. (interpretation ends) All those opposed, please stand and sit down when I call Chairman (interpretation): Thank you. your name. Mr. Shewchuk. Mr. Aupaluktuq. Hon. Daniel Shewchuk: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. At this time, I would like Mr. Elliott. to call for a recorded vote on Bill 22. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Ningeongan.

Chairman: Do members agree to Bill 22 (interpretation) Thank you. as amended? (interpretation ends) The motion is carried. (interpretation) Thank you. Some Members: Agreed. >>Applause Chairman: A recorded vote has been requested. All those in favour, please (interpretation ends) Pursuant to Rule stand and sit down when I call your 62(2), does the committee agree that Bill name. 22, as amended, can be immediately placed on the orders of the day for third Mr. Rumbolt. reading?

Mr. Tapardjuk. Some Members: Agreed.

Ms. Ugyuk. Chairman: Thank you. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Rumbolt. Mr. Oshutapik. Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Ms. Ell. Chairman. I would like to make a motion to report progress at this time. Thank Mr. Schell. you.

Mr. Shewchuk. Chairman: There’s a motion on the floor to report progress and the motion is Mr. Curley. not debatable. All those in favour. Opposed. The motion is carried. Mr. Taptuna. (interpretation) Thank you.

Madam Aariak.

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(interpretation ends) I want to, at this third reading and that Bill 22 is also time, give my thanks to Mr. Speaker and immediately ready for third reading as your officials. If you would like to do amended. Mr. Speaker, in amending Bill your closing remarks. Thank you. Mr. 22, two committee motions were Speaker. adopted. And, Mr. Speaker, I move that the Report of the Committee of the Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’ll Whole be agreed to. Thank you, Mr. be quick. I think I recognize and respect Speaker. all the debate that went on here today, and we appreciate everyone being able Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Enook. to put forward their views and in a There’s a motion on the floor. Is there a respectful manner. seconder? Mr. Kusugak.

I would like to thank my officials who >>Laughter are here with me today, Ms. Kusugak and Mr. Orr, for drafting the legislation The motion is in order. To the motion. based on the report that they got from All those in favour. Any opposed? The the Electoral Boundaries Commission. motion is carried. Again I formally thank the commission for the work that they did. Thank you, Item 21. Third Reading of Bills. Minister Mr. Chairman. of Finance, Minister Peterson.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Item 21: Third Reading of Bills Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses. I will now rise to report Bill 14 – Supplementary progress. Appropriation (Capital) Act, No. 2, 2011-2012 – Third Reading Speaker: Qujannamiik, Sergeant-at- Arms. Just for the record, I had a little Hon. Keith Peterson: Mr. Speaker, I brief revisit over at that side of the room. move, seconded by the Hon. Member for It looks a lot better from this side of the Rankin Inlet South and Whale Cove, that room. Bill 14, Supplementary Appropriation (Capital) Act, No. 2, 2011-2012, be read >>Laughter for the third time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Continuing on with the orders of the day. Item 20. Report of the Committee of the Speaker: Thank you. The motion is in Whole. Mr. Enook. order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour. Any Item 20: Report of the Committee of opposed? The motion is carried and Bill the Whole 14 is ready for assent.

Mr. Enook: Mr. Speaker, your Item 21. Third Reading of Bills. Member committee has been considering Bills 14 for Hudson Bay, Mr. Rumbolt. and 22 and would like to report progress in that Bill 14 is immediately ready for

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Bill 22 – An Act Respecting the 10. Petitions Constituencies of Nunavut – Third 11. Responses to Petitions Reading 12. Reports of Standing and Special Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Committees on Bills and Other I move, seconded by the Hon. Member for Rankin Inlet South and Whale Cove, Matters that Bill 22, An Act Respecting the 13. Tabling of Documents Constituencies of Nunavut, be read for the third time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 14. Notices of Motions

15. Notices of Motions for First Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Rumbolt. The motion is in order. To the motion. Reading of Bills Question has been called. All those in 16. Motions favour. Any opposed? The motion is carried and Bill 22 is ready for assent. 17. First Reading of Bills

18. Second Reading of Bills Item 21. Third Reading of Bills. Item 22. Orders of the Day. Mr. Clerk. 19. Consideration in Committee of

the Whole of Bills and Other Item 22: Orders of the Day Matters Clerk (Mr. Quirke): Thank you, Mr. 20. Report of the Committee of the Speaker. A reminder that there’s a meeting of the Standing Committee on Whole Legislation in the Nanuq Room and the 21. Third Reading of Bills time changed; it will now occur at two o’clock. 22. Orders of the Day

Thank you. Orders of the Day for October 31:

Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This 1. Prayer House stands adjourned until Monday, 2. Ministers’ Statements October 31, at 1:30 p.m. Have a good weekend. 3. Members’ Statements

4. Returns to Oral Questions Sergeant-at-Arms.

5. Recognition of Visitors in the >>House adjourned at 13:30 Gallery 6. Oral Questions 7. Written Questions 8. Returns to Written Questions 9. Replies to Opening Address