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This document is from the collections at the Dole Archives, University of Kansas. http://dolearchives.ku.edu ROBERT J. DOLE ORAL HISTORY PROJECT Interview with Rep. ROBERT H. (“BOB”) MICHEL May 24, 2007 Interviewer Brien R. Williams Robert J. Dole Institute of Politics 2350 Petefish Drive Lawrence, KS 66045 Phone: (785) 864-4900 Fax: (785) 864-1414 This document is from the collections at the Dole Archives, University of Kansas. http://dolearchives.ku.edu Michel 5-24-07—p. 2 Williams: This is an oral history interview with former Republican Leader Bob Michel, for the Robert J. Dole Institute of Politics at the University of Kansas. We are in the Washington [D.C.] law offices of Hogan & Hartson, and today is Thursday, May 24, 2007, and I’m Brien Williams. Mr. Michel, it strikes me that you and Bob Dole shared a lot in terms of where you came from and what you did. Can you just— Michel: Well, goodness. Of course, Bob was from Russell, Kansas. We all know that, you know. And I was from Peoria, or am from Peoria. I still regard it as my hometown. I know Bob always has a warm affection for Russell, Kansas. Gosh, all through the years he would make reference to it. I think we all feel, at least he did and I did, felt real strongly about the people who initially sent us into the big arena of politics, and we’re always appreciative of that start we got. I share Bob’s view that, boy, we never want to forget those roots back there in Kansas or Peoria, Illinois. [laughs] Williams: Both of you are, quote, unquote, children of the Depression, too. Michel: Oh, by all means. Williams: How has that affected you and him? Michel: Well, I tell you, that had a big effect. I was just doing a thing for my own alma mater back in Peoria, Bradley University, and they have an Institute of Principal Politics. When I was giving a lecture to the students and the hall was jammed, I was very happy that they were so attentive to what I was saying about my early life, and I said I was a product of the Depression. I think no question that that has had a bearing on my entire life, because I remember while I was fortunate that my father was a machinist and a toolmaker, a job that was really required, and was working most of the time during the Depression, but there was 25 percent unemployment around the country. My mother was from a family of twelve, eight boys, from out in Utah, and while they were agriculturally dominated at that time, several of her brothers were very good mechanics and rode the rails, you know, hooking their way back here to the East, could they find jobs, you know. This document is from the collections at the Dole Archives, University of Kansas. http://dolearchives.ku.edu Michel 5-24-07—p. 3 I had not only one paper route but I had three at the same time, mowed grass and all the routine that you do, you know, in those days. But the thing that struck me, it was a Friday night, I think it was, and my two uncles came home to the house, came and stayed with us, and they were working on piecework. Actually, they were kind of disconsolate and downhearted, you know, because Mom or Dad would say, “Well, how did you do this week?” and they announced what the check was for the week, you know, and I realized that I was making more carrying my three paper routes than they were as first- class mechanics working at Jarvis Chevrolet in Peoria, Illinois. It wasn’t that their work was not competent; it just that there wasn’t that kind of business. People couldn’t even get their cars repaired, you know. Then to witness that personally, of people who really had problems getting by, that always stuck with me, and you never forget it. Frankly, when I look back at history, you say 25 percent unemployment, I think in today’s time you’d just about have a revolution. I remember my toughest race when I was running for the first time reelection after being Leader, why, there was 16 percent unemployment in Peoria. Man, that was tough. The general public was about 10 percent, but I had a significant problem. Those things really stick with you. Williams: You’re talking about them as memories when you were growing up and a young man. What bearing did they have on your career as a public servant? Michel: Well, I guess in one respect it made me all the more conservative from the standpoint of—for example, my father, another one of the things that I learned from my father, I can spend my earnings or whatever on my clothes and whatever I wanted to, except that he wanted to be sure that I was putting 10 percent away. I had a bank account and he’d check that every once in a while and see that whatever I was making mowing yards or working at a tailor’s shop or papers, that I was laying 10 percent away. That was another principle that always stuck with me, always get yourself prepared for a rainy day. [laughs] And I’m sure Bob—that’s kind of the background he had in his family. We shared a common—those of us born at that time and eventually became public figures, why, boy, that shaped our lives and our thinking about issues. No question about it. This document is from the collections at the Dole Archives, University of Kansas. http://dolearchives.ku.edu Michel 5-24-07—p. 4 Williams: That’s fiscal policy. What about other areas? Michel: Well, I was the son of a French immigrant; my father was French. And my mother did not finish high school; she was a house domestic. They were conservative. Of course, in this country at that time we were evolving as a melding of blacks and whites from our Civil War and black constituency, and that was not the easiest—I learned later on that I had to do more in the area of melding the differences between the—I didn’t get it from my parents, because they were still—that’s the way people were. You just can’t get away from it. But they were always very religious people. I had to go to Sunday school every Sunday, you know, and even on the tithing, my father would give me a dime or a quarter or something to share, that I was getting used to contributing to the church and to other philanthropic causes too. Williams: I seem to recall that Bob Dole, when asked what party he was going to be affiliated with, sort of said, “Well, who has the most votes in Kansas?” Michel: Right. Williams: And he found out it was pretty Republican. Michel: Right. Williams: Therefore he became a Republican. I suspect you were sort of a Republican from birth. Michel: Oh, in my case, yes. I remember, of course, even though in the Depression, you know, what [Franklin D.] Roosevelt did to bring us out of it, and who I would still refer to as one of our greater presidents of all of them combined, my mother and father detested him. Oh, they just couldn’t stand Roosevelt, you know. They were hardshell Republicans. [laughs] I never really asked them, “How did you become Republican?” It happened and that was the environment in which I grew up. This document is from the collections at the Dole Archives, University of Kansas. http://dolearchives.ku.edu Michel 5-24-07—p. 5 Williams: You became active politically in high school, as I recall. Michel: Well, yes, never thinking you’re going to do anything down the road a ways. It’s just I was fortunate in high school, for example, to have a homeroom teacher who was a stickler on parliamentary procedure. Not all of them got the kind of training I did in Miss McGrath’s homeroom. I don’t even know if some of them ever chose up officers, but she said we were going to have officers, you’re going to run the program, and what little it might be, you know, president and vice president, secretary. Of course, are there any amendments to the minutes as read, you know. It was good training back in high school. I never thought I was going to use it later on other than maybe in just running a normal meeting, having some gift of leadership to move things along, and that helped. [laughs] Williams: As you came of age on the brink of World War II, did you have a sense of where you would be career-wise later on in your life? Michel: No, I had none whatsoever. I liked music and I was good at singing. Gosh, from Sunday school on, grade school, high school, whether it’s double quartet, madrigals, a capella choir, I loved—of course, I eventually married my wife in the music school at Bradley. She’s a very accomplished pianist, her degree in music education and piano. So that was one of the things that always stuck with me. I took public speaking class, but again never thinking that—when I look back on it and I say my voice training plus the opportunity to have gone to speech class, obviously helped me when I became a full- fledged politician.