H1984 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE April 29, 1997 Where the salt winds blow day after day High School Marching Band was rated as one Oceanic Cable Television—Featured band Where her doors flung wide for our sons and of the top ten (10) marching bands in the na- during school pride advertisement. daughters true. tion by the National Band Association. In Holiday Bowl Parade—2nd Place. While the flag of freedom proudly waves 1983, the Kahuku High School Marching 1996: above Band won the Class A Championship at the Holiday Bowl Field Competition—1st Hail Kahuku, hail our alma mater Florida Citrus Bowl Band Competition. In Place—Category 2. Grand Champion Overall. Hail to our colors red and white. 1986, the Kahuku Band attended the Sea f We will cherish, love and honor thee. All hail World Holiday Bowl Band Competition and Kahuku, hail. was the Class A Champions and Overall ABOUT THE BUDGET Mr. Speaker, I include the following Sweepstakes Winner in the Parade and Field The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Show Competition. for the RECORD: SUNUNU). Under the Speaker’s an- In 1991, the Kahuku High School Marching nounced policy of January 7, 1997, the KAHUKU HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC Band won International Fame as they won gentleman from Georgia [Mr. KINGS- CHAMPIONSHIPS 1st Place: International Division at the TON] is recognized for 60 minutes. Football OIA champions: 1947, 1958, 1959, Midosuji Parade in Osaka, Japan. Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Speaker, I ap- 1969, 1972, 1989, 1993, 1994, & 1995. Both in January, 1981, and in January, Football East/West Conference Champions: 1993, the band was one of the four featured preciate the opportunity to address the 1971, 1972, 1982, 1984, 1986, 1989, 1990, and 1992. bands at the Pasadena Tournament of Roses House tonight. I want to speak about Boys OIA Volleyball Champions: 1995. Band Fest and marched in the world famous the budget. Boys Volleyball East Champions: 1992. Tournament of Roses Parade. Before I do so, I want to speak about Girls Volleyball OIA Champions: 1992 & The Kahuku High School Marching Band the big bust over there at the Depart- 1993. has played for many important dignitaries. ment of Justice. I am referring, of Girls Volleyball East Champions: 1982, 1984, Among these important people are: Emperor course, to finally, on Thursday, April 1985, 1992 & 1993. Hirohito, President Bush, Governor Burns, 24, I am getting this out of the Savan- Girls Basketball State Champions: 1983. Governor Ariyoshi, and Governor Waihee of Girls Basketball OIA Champions: 1980, 1983, Hawaii. nah Morning News, that the Florida couple, who illegally recorded a con- 1984, & 1985. BAND versation of Members of Congress and Girls Basketball East Champions: 1980, 1976: 1983, 1984, 1985 & 1991. Aloha Week Parade Hon, HI—1st Division- then passed it on to other Members of Boys Basketball East Champions: 1987. Highest Scores. Congress finally got, finally pleaded Wrestling State Champions: 1969, 1983, & King Kam Parade Hon, HI—1st Division- guilty to Federal charges, which is, 1985. Highest Scores. they actually had already said that Wrestling State Runner-ups: 1981, 1982, S. Pacific Bi-Centennial Parade—Hawaii’s they were guilty, Mr. Speaker, back in 1988, 1990–1992. Bi-Centennial Band. Wrestling OIA Champions: 1983, 1985, 1987, January, but our good old Department Int’l. Lions Convention—Brazil’s Honor of Justice, who has been very busy with 1988, 1990, 1991, & 1992. Band; State Band. Wrestling OIA Dual Meet OIA Champions: Kauai Island Concert—Guest Band. all kinds of other things, just now de- 1993. OIA Marching Band Festival—1st Division- cided to lower the boom and deal with Wrestling East Champions: 1979, 1980, 1984, Highest Scores. the Martins. 1985, 1987–1992. 1980: I will read a little bit of that article: Golf State Champions: 1969, 1972, 1973, 1976. Rated by National Band Assoc.—One of A Florida couple agreed Wednesday to Golf OIA Champions: 1971, 1978, 1993, & 1994. Top 10 Marching Bands in USA. plead guilty to Federal criminal charges of Golf East Champions: 1974, 1978, 1988, 1993, Selected to the 1981 Pasadena Tournament intercepting a cellular phone call between & 1994. of Roses Parade—Guest Band. House Speaker Newt Gingrich and other Re- Girls Tennis OIA Champions: 1994. 1983: publican leaders last December. Judo East Champions: 1989, 1990, & 1991. Aloha Week Parade—1st Division. Identical one-count criminal informations Boys Swimming Varsity East Champion: Kam Tournament of Bands—Overall were filed in U.S. District Court in Jackson- 1995, 1997. Sweepstakes Award. All Caption Awards. An- ville, Florida against John and Alice Martin Water Polo Public School State Cham- nual Pahu Award. of Fort White, Florida. pions: undefeated. Citrus Bowl Band Competition—1st Place The Martins signed agreements with pros- Overall Trophy Class A. Outstanding Rifle KAHUKU HIGH SCHOOL SCHOLASTIC ecutors to plead guilty and those were filed Corp. Drum Major Award. CHAMPIONSHIPS in court along with the charges. The Martins Citrus Bowl 1983—Bowl Pre-Game Guest admitted in the agreements that they inten- Citizen Bee State Champion: 1993. Band. Citrus Bowl Parade Participant. American Legion State Champion: 1991 & tionally intercepted the telephone conversa- Disney World (FL)—Guest Band. tion and agreed to cooperate with the Jus- 1993. Epcot Center—Guest Band. tice Department’s continuing investigation We the People State Champions: 1993 & Knott’s Berry Farm—Guest Band. 1994. Magic Mountain—Guest Band. of the case. Justice officials, who requested History Day State Winners: 1994. Disneyland (CA)—Guest Band. anonymity* * * * State JV Debate Champions: 1993 & 1994. Arlington Nat’l. Cemetary—1st Hawaiian SLEP (ESLL) State Speech Champions: Band to participate in wreath laying cere- That is interesting, Mr. Speaker, be- 1991–1994. mony at Tomb of Unknown Soldiers (D.C.) cause I guess when they were inter- Spelling Bee State Champions: 1991. 1986: viewed on the phone they were not on San Diego Holiday Bowl—1st Division Rat- KAHUKU HIGH SCHOOL BAND the cellular phone or anonymity would ing. 1st Place: Parade Competition. 1st ACCOMPLISHMENTS be irrelevant, would it not, but they Place: Field Show Competition. 1st Place: The Kahuku High School Learning Center Drum Major. 1st Place: Percussion. 1st said the investigation is continuing on ‘‘Red Raider’’ Marching Band and Color Place: Color Guard. how a transcript of the conversation Guard was under the direction of Mr. Mi- 1989: ended up in the New York Times and chael J. Payton. Mr. Payton was a graduate Florida Citrus Bowl Band Competition—1st later the Atlanta Journal-Constitution of the University of Hawaii, Manoa. Mr. Place: Percussion. 1st Place: Drum Major. and Roll Call, a Capitol Hill newspaper. Payton retired June 1995, having taught at 1st Place: Color Guard. Superior & 1st Divi- I wonder, Mr. Speaker, how did the Kahuku High and Intermediate School for sion Rating. Class A Field Show Champion. Martins get that tape from Florida, the past 27 years. He was the Coordinator 1990: and Director of the Kahuku High School’s from their car, which they were just in- USA President Bush-Hawaii Visit—Only nocently driving along, how did they Performing Arts Learning Center Program, High School Band invited to perform for focusing on marching band and color guard, President of USA. get that tape to the Atlanta Constitu- and he was the Director of the Annual All- 1991: tion and the New York Times? It does State Marching Band Camp. Midosuji Parade—Osaka, Japan—1st Place make one wonder, does it not? Mr. Payton had been the backbone of the Winner Int’l. Division. But good old Justice Department, I marching band program at Kahuku. He es- 1993: guarantee you, they will crack this tablished and built a band from an existing Tournament of Roses Parade—Pasadena, case probably in 10 years. No, maybe in band of ten (10) members in 1968 to a superior CA—One of four (4) marching bands to par- 5 years, because these people said they award winning band of a hundred plus (100+) ticipate in Band Fest at Pasadena City Col- will cooperate. So I am very optimistic members. lege. The Kahuku High School Marching Band, 1994: about our Justice Department and, under Mr. Payton’s direction for 27 years, CBS Thanksgiving Day American Parade— who knows, maybe they got some con- has always won superior ratings at local and Featured Band and Dancers on national tele- sultants from the FBI telling them how national competitions. In 1980, the Kahuku vision. not to botch an investigation. April 29, 1997 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE H1985 But never mind that, Mr. Speaker. lion. That is $26,000 or $104,000 for a to have a better future with less debt Let me speak tonight on the budget, family of four. because Members came to Washington because that is a very, very big matter Mr. Speaker, it is past time to get during the 105th Congress with the idea and one that affects all of our children, very, very serious on balancing the of cutting the budget and reducing the all of our present generations and fu- budget and paying down the debt. size of Washington. We chose children ture generations. Now, we have some plans. There is a over bureaucrats. We chose home town I have, and I wish I could tell you Republican plan that is going on, and America over Washington, DC. who gave this to me, but it is a docu- we have been negotiating, the gen- Now, the President opposed the bal- ment entitled Seven Reasons to Bal- tleman from Ohio [Mr. KASICH], chair- anced budget amendment. Okay. Philo- ance the Budget. The annual budget is man of the Committee on the Budget, sophical difference. He did not want $1.6 trillion. The Government spends has been negotiating on this for really the balanced budget amendment. I can about $4.4 billion a day, about $183 mil- since January, trying to get some- understand. We have the right to dis- lion an hour, $3 million a minute, or where with the President. There is the agree here. $50,736 every second. President’s plan. But that being the case, as he stood Mr. Speaker, I am afraid that in the The President’s plan has a few flaws on the floor of the House and said, you time that I have been at the micro- in it. I will hold this up, Mr. Speaker. do not need a balanced budget amend- phone that the Government has al- I think everybody can see it. What is ment to balance the budget, he was ready spent probably about $250,000 just wrong with the Clinton plan to balance correct on that. But he needed one, be- in terms of our $1.6 trillion annual the budget? cause he has yet to produce a balanced budget. Well, for one thing, in the year 2002, budget. Now, if the spending patterns do not it does not balance the budget. It has a One of the other things, though, that change, anyone born after 1993 will deficit of $69 billion. So, A, what is this thing points out is, this about have a lifetime tax rate of 84 percent. wrong with the President’s plan? It families. This is compared with those born in does not balance the budget. Let me give you some more numbers, 1940, who will have a lifetime tax aver- B, what else is wrong with it? Ninety- Mr. Speaker. If we have a balanced age of 31 percent. That means that dur- eight percent of the deficit reduction is budget, interest rates will drop. If in- ing the period of time that you are in the last 2 years. terest rates drop as much as 2 percent, alive, if you were born in 1940, you will Mr. Speaker, I am not the first one to that means that on a 5-year family car pay about 31 percent total taxes. But say it, many people have said it, but loan at 9.75 percent interest, $15,000 our children, the babies of today, the that is the equivalent of saying you are car, that average family would save kids in nursery schools and kinder- going to go on a diet to lose 30 pounds $900. gartens, right now will pay about 84 over 6 months, but you are not going to In terms of a college education loan, percent. lose any weight the first 5 months. You if a college student borrows $11,000 at 8 I think that is so important, Mr. are going to take it all off in the 6th Speaker, because as the President percent, it will save $217 in interest. month. It just does not work. Washing- talks about let us do something for b 2200 ton has never followed through on children, I would say, let us start by promises made very far in the future. In terms of a 30-year home mortgage, not shackling them with an 84 percent Under the Bush tax deal, as you will if it drops 2 percent, over a 30-year pe- tax burden. recall, in the 1990’s, which was, I think, riod of time on a $75,000 house, Ameri- Reason No. 3, every dollar of taxes actually probably what did the Bush cans would save $37,000 in interest and raised since World War II, Congress has payments. For a 6-month $350,000 farm spent over $1.59 of it. So for every dol- administration in, the plan was to operating loan at 10 percent, it would lar paid in taxes since World War II, on raise taxes now and cut spending later. save about $17,000. an average, we in Washington have Well, Members of Congress were pret- These are real numbers, Mr. Speaker, spent $1.59. Reason No. 4, it takes near- ty eager to raise taxes, but when it and these are things that will help ly 9 American families to support one came time to do the spending cuts, Americans. But I want to throw out Federal bureaucrat in Washington, DC, where was Congress? They said, well, one more interesting statistic about executive branch staff members cost an that agreement was not made by us. It the national debt. A 1-day increase in average of $52,000 a year, while an aver- was made by a previous Congress, and the national debt of $2.2 billion is age family pays $6,100 in taxes. So that we will not follow through on it. enough to buy McDonald’s Big Mac is good math and good to think about. No. 3, letter C, whatever way you Reason No. 5, in 1994, every American want to do it, what is wrong with the extra value meals for every person in paid an average of $800 in taxes just to Clinton budget? It increases the 1998 the United States and every person in service interest on the national debt. deficit by $24 billion compared to doing Mexico. Now, I think this is real important, nothing. So in other words, Mr. Speak- Now, I do not know if we should rec- Mr. Speaker, because people do not un- er, if we do not do anything at all in ommend that to everybody in the coun- derstand that when you pay taxes, terms of passing a budget, we are bet- try, but the fact is that is a heck of a some of your tax dollars go just to pay ter off than we are under the Clinton lot of hamburgers, Mr. Speaker, and the bondholders, those who hold the proposal. So I think the Clinton pro- yet another way to look at it. notes on the national debt. So let us posal should not be seriously consid- I do not see balancing the budget as say $800 per person, multiply that ered. partisan politics. It is about good gov- times 4. The average family of four, av- Now, that will not mean that the ernment and it is about our children. It erage family is, therefore, paying over media will not seriously consider it, be- is about dreams and aspirations of fu- $3,000 in interest each year on the na- cause anything that comes out of ture generations of Americans. It is tional debt. That is $3,000. That prob- Pennsylvania Avenue they accept as about the fact that year after year the ably would pay for 3 or 4 months of gro- truth and absolute so they will be talk- American dream gets eroded by a large ceries. It would probably pay for 6 ing about how good it is and how sen- runaway bureaucracy that comes up months of car payments. It would pay sible it is. They will cleverly overlook with more rules and more micro- for maybe a half a year at a State col- these three facts that I have gone over management in order to justify their lege or university. Three thousand dol- here tonight. own existence. lars would even pay for 3 or 4 months of But let us put it in perspective. Bal- I think the questions are these: Is the home mortgage. That is a lot of money. ancing the budget is a moral impera- Federal Government too big? Does it Yet the American taxpayers are paying tive, not an accounting exercise. Bal- spend too much? Who can spend money that in interest on the national debt. ancing the budget is about your chil- the best, the folks back home or the Reason No. 6, a child born today will dren; it is about my children. bureaucrats in Washington? Are we pay $187,000 over his or her lifetime Mr. Speaker, I think you have small getting our money’s worth out of just in interest on the national debt. children. I have a 6-year-old; I have an Washington right now? Are we getting Reason No. 7, in the year 2000, the na- 8-year-old. I would love to leave Wash- our money’s worth of tax dollars? If we tional debt is projected to be $6.8 tril- ington one day saying they are going had a choice, would we purchase this H1986 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD — HOUSE April 29, 1997 government? Could we tell a friend The Martins signed agreements with pros- Mr. GREEN (at the request of Mr. about it? Is it fair for the government ecutors to plead guilty and those were filed GEPHARDT), for today, on account of to take over one-third of our hard- in court along with the charges. The Martins personal business. admitted in the agreements that they inten- earned income each year? tionally intercepted the telephone conversa- Mr. UNDERWOOD (at the request of I do not think it is fair, Mr. Speaker. tion and agreed to cooperate with the Jus- Mr. GEPHARDT), for today through May I think it is time right now to get tice Department’s continuing investigation 1, on account of official business. spending under control and try to bring of the case. Mr. YATES (at the request of Mr. GEP- sanity back to Washington. Justice officials, who requested anonym- HARDT), for today, on account of back There are a lot of other topics that I ity, said the investigation is continuing here pain. into how a transcript of the conversation want to talk about, Mr. Speaker, but I Mr. HOEKSTRA (at the request of Mr. think what I may do is just end tonight ended up in The New York Times, and later in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution and ARMEY), for today, on account of a on the budget, because I want to focus Roll Call, a Capitol Hill newspaper. death in the family. just on the importance of it. The call—between Gingrich, House Major- Mr. HERGER (at the request of Mr. There is a budget right now, intro- ity Leader Dick Armey of Texas, Rep. John ARMEY), for today and the balance of duced by our colleague, the gentleman Boehner of Ohio, Rep. Bill Paxon of New the week, on account of family mat- from Wisconsin, Mr. MARK NEUMANN, York and others—took place last Dec. 21 as ters. and it takes Social Security out of the the House ethics committee was about to an- formula. Two important things I would nounce a settlement of its investigation of complaints against Gingrich. The publica- f say the Neumann budget does. Number tion of the text set off an uproar on Capitol one, it takes Social Security out of it. Hill. People do not realize this right now, Rep. Jim McDermott of Washington, the SPECIAL ORDERS GRANTED but Social Security has a $65 billion ranking Democrat on the ethics committee, By unanimous consent, permission to surplus. That money is thrown into the said the call breached Gingrich’s agreement address the House, following the legis- pot with the rest of the general spend- with the committee that the Speaker would lative program and any special orders ing, the rest of the budget, and it not orchestrate a response to his ethical wrongdoing. heretofore entered, was granted to: makes the deficit look smaller than it Republicans said the transcript, to the (The following Members (at the re- is. The Neumann budget says, no, sir, contrary, showed that Gingrich was follow- quest of Mr. POMEROY) to revise and ex- that $65 billion is stand-alone, it goes ing the agreement and they demanded an in- tend their remarks and include extra- only in the Social Security trust fund, vestigation of the call’s interception. neous material:) The Martins each face a maximum penalty it goes only for Social Security pur- Mr. POMEROY, for 5 minutes, today. poses, and it should not be used for def- of a $5,000 fine with no prison term. The gov- Ms. DELAURO, for 5 minutes, today. icit reduction and general spending. ernment made no promises on what sentence Mr. PALLONE, for 5 minutes, today. That is one thing the Neumann budg- it might recommend. Alice Martin, reached at her home in Fort Mr. DAVIS of Illinois, for 5 minutes, et does and I think that is very impor- White, Fla, refused to comment Wednesday today. tant for our grandparents and other evening and referred questions to the cou- Mrs. CLAYTON, for 5 minutes, today. folks on Social Security. ple’s attorney. ‘‘I can’t say anything about The second thing it does, which is that,’’ she said. Mr. ROEMER, for 5 minutes, today. equally important for those of us fa- Boehner said the Martins ‘‘should not be (The following Members (at the re- thers, is it pays off the national debt patsies in this, set up to take the fall for quest of Mr. DUNCAN) to revise and ex- by the year 2023. So a child born today, more politically influential people.’’ tend their remarks and include extra- Anyone ‘‘who knowingly accepted the tape neous material:) at 25, 26 years old, they will live in and passed it along to the press is also Mr. GOSS, for 5 minutes each day, America without a national debt. If we guilty,’’ said Boehner, who when the call was can do that, the jobs that will be cre- intercepted was in Florida taking part in the today and on April 30 and May 1. ated are incredible. conversation on a cellular telephone. Mr. NORWOOD, for 5 minutes, today. In fact, Mr. Speaker, I had a list of The Martins said they gave the tape to Mr. METCALF, for 5 minutes each day, some of these benefits that I may sub- McDermott. In the ensuing furor over the today and on April 30. mit for the RECORD, Mr. Speaker. But I tape’s contents and its disclosure, which also Mr. GUTKNECHT, for 5 minutes, on believe that we can achieve a balanced could be a crime, McDermott removed him- April 30. self from the ethics panel’s investigation of budget. I believe that we can pay down Gingrich. A Republican also stepped aside to Mr. DUNCAN, for 5 minutes, today. the national debt. I believe, again, it is keep the panel at an even party balance. a moral imperative. It is not a matter ‘‘The Martins were charged with the most f of common sense only but a matter of serious violation possible based on the appli- cable federal law and the circumstances sur- survival and doing what is right for our EXTENSION OF REMARKS children. rounding the interception of the telephone With that, Mr. Speaker, I urge my call,’’ said Charles R. Wilson, U.S. attorney By unanimous consent, permission to for the middle district of Florida. ‘‘If the revise and extend remarks was granted colleagues and friends here in Washing- Martins are ever convicted of an illegal ton to vote for a balanced budget, work to: interception again, they would face a maxi- (The following Members (at the re- for the balanced budget amendment, mum penalty of five years imprisonment, a make some tough decisions in terms of $250,000 fine or both.’’ quest of Mr. POMEROY) and to include government spending reductions, and Because it was a first offense and because extraneous matter:) let us walk out of here with our heads the interception was of the radio portion of Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts. held high, not worrying about the next a cellular call; and because there was no evi- Mr. BERRY. dence that it was done for commercial or pri- Mr. TORRES. election but only concerned about the vate financial gain or for an illegal purpose Mr. DAVIS of Illinois. next generation. such as aiding in blackmail, the offense is Mr. Speaker, I include for the classified as an infraction, the Justice De- Mr. LEVIN. RECORD the article to which I earlier partment said. Mr. LAFALCE. referred. John and Alice Martin heard the conversa- Mr. ORTIZ. FLORIDA COUPLE TO PLEAD GUILTY TO TAPING tion on the Radio Shack scanner in their car Mr. BONIOR. GOP LEADERS’ CELL PHONE CALL while on a Christmas shopping trip. Once Mr. SCHUMER. they realized the conversation they were (By Michael J. Sniffen) Mr. KANJORSKI. picking up was of Gingrich discussing the WASHINGTON.—A Florida couple agreed Republican response to his admitted ethics Mr. PASCRELL. Wednesday to plead guilty to federal crimi- violations, they recorded it on a hand-held Mr. LIPINSKI. nal charges of intercepting a cellular tele- machine. They said it struck them as his- Mr. DOYLE. phone call between House Speaker Newt toric. Mr. HINCHEY. Gingrich and other Republican leaders last Mr. YATES. December. f Mr. FROST. Identical one-count criminal information LEAVE OF ABSENCE were filed in U.S. District Court in Jackson- Mr. HOYER. ville, Fla., against John and Alice Martin of By unanimous consent, leave of ab- Mr. BROWN of California. Fort White, Fla. sence was granted to: Mr. MENENDEZ.