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The Milton H. Erickson Foundation NEWSLETTER SM Vol. 36, No. 1 Spring 2016 I n t e r v i e w I n s i d e T h i s each of them is doing that’s blowing Terry Real their own foot off. And then confront I s s u e By Esther Perel them in a loving and precise way; mov- ing into early childhood wounds that INTERVIEW Terry Real has been a family ther- are at the root, but not leave it there. Terry Real Interviewed by apist and teacher for more than 25 Once that’s on the table, teach them Esther Perel 1 years. He is an internationally recog- what I call, “a psychoeducational ap- THE POWER OF TWO nized speaker and author who founded proach to intimacy” -- what empathy, Robert Dilts & Relational Life Institute (RLI), which or accountability, or increased vulner- Deborah Bacon Dilts 8 offers workshops for couples, individ- ability looks like. It’s a loving con- uals and parents, and professional frontation -- what I call, “joining CASE REPORT training for clinicians. Terry is a senior through the truth.” Whether you’re an ORCA STRAIT faculty member of the Family Institute angry pursuer, withdrawer, profes- By Michael F. Hoyt, PhD 10 of Cambridge in Massachusetts and a sional martyr, or helpless victim, what- THEORETICALLY SPEAKING retired Clinical Fellow of the Meadows ever it is that you’re doing that’s A Brief Review of the Key Hypnotic Institute in Arizona. screwing things up -- it’s taking a hard Elements of Milton H. Erickson’s To watch the entire interview with look at that. The second phase is mov- Handshake Technique 12 Terry Real and Esther Perel, please ples’ therapists who has recently ing into inner child and family of ori- visit: done a lot to influence the develop- gin work. The third phase is: ‘If you IN THE SPIRIT OF THERAPY https://youtu.be/Wh2XE_oO6DY ment of the field. Terry, my late fa- don’t want to be an angry pursuer, let Rob McNeilly, MBBS Interviewed ther used to ask me: “What do you me teach you what functional pursuit by John D. Lentz, D. Min 14 Esther Perel: For those of you do with these people? Do you really looks like. Lose the chip on your who have not met Terry, this is an in- help them?” shoulder and be inviting.’ It’s a three- troduction to an outstanding cou- step process: ‘This is what you’re www.erickson-foundation.org Terry Real: A great scientist once doing wrong; this is where it comes said to me, “Psychotherapy is really from; and this is what right looks like.’ just paid friendship. Isn’t it?” In terms of my work with couples…we do not You know…stance, stance, dance. live in a relationship-cherishing cul- In a heterosexual couple, his dysfunc- ture. We live in a patriarchal, narcissis- tional move and her dysfunctional tic, co-addictive culture. Most of us move and the way those two moves re- inforce each other can eat up the inti- Self-esteem or appropriate shame means: I feel bad about the bad things I’ve done, and I still hold myself in warm regard as a flawed human being. have not been raised by relationally macy like cancer. It’s my job to skilled families and we’re damaged crowbar them out of that pattern. and we don’t know how to be intimate. You could go to a trauma weekend A lifelong romance is a modern idea, and do deep cathartic, wonderful, and I don’t think most men and women reparative healing work with your RETURN SERVICE REQUESTED SERVICE RETURN Permit No. 1932 No. Permit have the skills and the wisdom to pull inner child. Then, come home and be U.S.A. Kansas City, MO City, Kansas it off. We’re not at zero, we’re in the the same asshole that you were to your Phoenix, AZ 85016 AZ Phoenix, U.S.Postage Paid U.S.Postage negative numbers. So it’s my job as a 2632 E. Thomas Rd., Ste. 200, 200, Ste. Rd., Thomas E. 2632 Non-Profit org. Non-Profit couples’ therapist to figure out what The Milton H. Erickson Foundation, Inc. Foundation, Erickson H. Milton The INTERVIEW continued on page 23 2 VOL. 36, NO. 1 The Milton H. Erickson Foundation Newsletter duce our Therapeutic Frameworks col - munication, the neurobiology of umn with a wonderful summary of the morality, and, of course, brief therapy Editor’s Comments Erickson handshake technique, demon - and couples’ therapy. These are in - strating that not all inductions need sightful, well-written reviews. Last December’s 12th Interna - words. Please join us in San Francisco, tional Congress on Ericksonian Ap - Alex and Annellen Simpkins’ team May 13-15, for the Couples Confer - proaches to Hypnosis and Psychotherapy of incredible media reviewers -- Maria ence , to explore the understanding and was a roller coaster of emotions and ex - Escalante de Smith, David Hargis, treatment of couples through the lens periences. I was delighted to meet Richard Hill, John Lentz, and Susan of “Attachment, Differentiation & many attendees, several of whom had Pinco -- cover such diverse topics as Neuroscience.” previously only been a name without a the unique considerations in treating face or email address. And, of course, gay men, hypnosis with adults and Richard Landis I was happy to meet up with old friends children, verbal and nonverbal com - Orange, California and colleagues who have attended the Congresses from the beginning. The Erickson Congress was a cross-fertil - CORRECTION ization of the wisdom of the old and Regarding the MHE Foundation Newsletter, Vol. 35, No. 3, “International Community” new perspectives and surprising ques - column, pp. 6-7, description of Jeffrey Zeig receiving the John and Helen Watkins Award tions from the young. (For me, every - for Excellence in Teaching at the 20th World Congress of the International Society of Hyp - one under 50 is young. I was taught to nosis (ISH) in Paris. The Watkins Award should read: “The Helen H. and John G. Watkins respect my elders, but these days I’m Award for Excellence in Teaching is given to an awardee who exemplifies a lifetime of ex - having difficulty finding elders!) This cellence in the teaching of hypnosis for use in clinical and research settings”. Congress even surpassed the prior one, laps between the different domains can The Award Committee, ISH Awards/2015, co-chaired by Peter B. Bloom, MD and making it no exception to the pattern in its Camillo Loriedo, MD, especially wanted research to be an equal part of the award, since a result in an “Infinite Diversity in Infi - expansion of Ericksonian perspectives. non-clinician researcher of true merit might receive this award some day in the future. nite Combinations.” (Miss you Congress was joyful, but at the Leonard.) This concept is featured Also, Claire C. Frederick, MD, the other recipient of the Watkins Award, was inadver - tently left out of ISH awardees mentioned in footnote #5, p.7. same time there was a note of sadness. when the Foundation hosts the 17th As mentioned in the last Newsletter, Annual Couples Conference , May 13- we lost one of our Grand Old Men -- 15, 2016, at the Hyatt Regency San Philip Barretta, who died May 7, 2015. Francisco Airport in Burlingame. This Truly a Grand “Forever-Young” Man, year’s conference theme is, “Attach - The Milton H. Erickson Foundation Phil always had a smile and a joke. ment, Differentiation & Neuro - And, he had a great heart and pos - science.” The international faculty sessed infinite wisdom. I was taking a covers these perspectives with more di - NEWSLETTER break at the Congress, sitting in one of mensions than Einstein or Hawking the empty smaller presentation rooms, could talk about physics. To get a feel when a strong déja vu came over me of what to expect, please read the Fea - Executive Editor: Richard Landis, Ph.D. and I realized that this was the same tured Interview . Esther Perel, keynote room Phil and I shared at the 6th Inter - Couples’ faculty, interviews Terry Reviews Editors: C. Alexander Simpkins, Ph.D., national Ericksonian Congress in 1994 Real, also keynote faculty, and the en - Annellen Simpkins, Ph.D. when we conducted a morning super - thusiasm is contagious. As you will vision panel. discover, like the Couples Conference , Institutes Editor: Marilia Baker, M.S.W., Cecilia Fabre, M.A. At that supervision session, some - the interview is filled with more than Power of Two Editor: Roxanna Erickson Klein, R.N., Ph.D. one ask us both how Erickson would just theory. If you’d like to see the en - have approached couples. Phil and I tire interview, it’s online at: In the Spirit of Therapy Editor: John Lentz, D.Min. spoke at the same time and said almost http://www.couplesconference.com/ or Guest Reviewers: Maria Escalante de Smith, MA; David L. Hargis, the same words: “They are still people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W Ph.D.; Richard Hill, MBMSc, M.Ed., M.A., DPC; John D. Lentz, D.Min.; first.” We then described how our ex - h2XE_oO6DY . Susan Pinco, Ph.D., LCSW periences with Erickson taught us to This issue of the Newsletter also appreciate that every relationship was focuses on the different building Contributing Editor/Writer: Marnie McGann between two individuals, each of blocks and domains that can be used to Production Manager: Karen Haviley whom had their own perceptions and enhance couples’ work. John Lentz’s cognitions. To do an intervention with interview with Rob McNeilly covers Ad rates: a couple, you first have to understand the domain of spirituality; Marilia www.erickson-foundation.org that each is an individual, not just half Baker’s The Power of Two , on Robert of a dyad.