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Episode 9 – Clint Fluker, Phd Regina Bradley OutKasted Conversations – Episode 9 – Clint Fluker, PhD Regina Bradley: Hey, what's up, everybody? I'm Dr. Regina Bradley, and this is OutKasted Conversations, Season two… What episode we on? Nine? Nine…? Clint Fluker: I don't know. *Laughs* Regina: Nine sounds right. nine sounds right. Uh, *laughs* and my guest today is, again, one of the homies, one of the really good scholars, Dr. Clint Fluker. I'm not gonna mess up your title. Tell the people what the title is. *Laughs* Clint: Okay, my name is Clint Fluker. I'm the Assistant Director of Engagement in Scholarship at the Atlanta University Center Robert W. Woodruff Library. Regina: Oh, excuse me. Clint: Yep. I got it all out. You saw that? Regina: Gotta put it all out- But, I mean, that’s a long-ass business card though too, it’s like- Clint: It certainly is *laughs* Regina: -then turn it on the back. *both laugh* Regina: Then it goes and keeps going. Um, so, alright, you know you what you got to do to get into the club. How did you become OutKasted? Clint: Alright then. So, I like to kind of tell people this to start it out. Regina: Mhm. Clint: My mom's side of the family is all from Atlanta. Regina: Oh. Okay. Clint: Um, but I started out growing up, in the beginning, in Nashville, Tennessee, and Rochester, New York. Regina: Ooh. Clint: So, we didn't move back to Atlanta - or my mom didn’t move back to the Atlanta with family – ‘til I was, like, twelve, thirteen? And I don't know what was in my CD case. *both laugh* I imagine it was a combination of, like, Green Day. *laughs* Regina: Oh, okay. Clint: You know, like that kind of stuff. So, I was walking around Atlanta with this. And I went into, I think it was, like, seventh grade - that's why I- I came back - and one of the eighth graders- he saw what I was listening to; he was just like, “Let me- let me take a look, let me see what you got.” Regina: Oh boy. Clint: And, you know, he's, like, flipping through, flipping through, and he got that real disappointed face on him. *both laugh* I’m new. I’m- I’m trying to get- Regina: It's not looking good for you, chief. Clint: No, it’s not looking good. And he was like, “You ain’t got no ‘Kast.?” And I wa- I was like, “What are you talking about?” And he was like, “You don't have any OutKast here.” And so, he immediately put me on the Aquemini, he put me onto ATLiens, you know, like, he just became a good friend in that sense, uh, throughout the rest of my time. Regina: He saved yo ass. Clint: No, he really did. Regina: Mhm. Clint: He really did. And it just- it put me on to- how I could be part of the culture in Atlanta that was already in my lineage and I didn't know. So there you go. That's how I became a fan. And it really did start with Aquemini, so that's my favorite album. I can't lie. *laughs* Regina: Right. ‘K. Alright. Clint: Gotta go right to it. But, uh, yeah, that's how I was introduced. Regina: Green Day, bruh? Clint: I'm pretty sure that's what it was. I can't lie. Regina: But like- Clint: Rochester, Pittsford, New York, is a wild place. *laughs* Regina: I mean listen; I don’t have anything against Green Day- Clint: Secluded Regina: I had a couple Green Day CDs. You know what I'm saying? But it's like *laughs* I'm just laughing because the I don't think that, like, kids today understand the worth, the wealth of the CD book. It was like- Clint: *laughs* Regina: -you didn't bring your book, like, you didn't bring your whole book with you to school because if somebody stole your music, it was on. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I still have grudges with some of my cousins who stole some of my albums… like my Dru Hill album. Clint: Yeah. Regina: You know what I'm saying? Erica, where my Dru Hill album at, Erica? Uh, you know what I'm saying? But it’s a- Clint: Now once I got my CD case together- Regina: You got it together? Clint: Yeah- Regina: Oh, okay. Clint: Once I got it all together, now my brother started stealing that stuff. But I had already stolen it all from my older cousin, my big brother. So, you know- *both laugh* Clint: So, you know, it just it just it just goes down, so- Regina: So, the music continues. Clint: Yeah, that’s how it is. Regina: Yeah, so, I mean, you know, you do a lot of really dope things. Um, but one of the- one of your research areas that's particularly interesting is that you study Afrofuturism. Clint: That’s right. Regina: For the folks who are uninitiated, what is Afrofuturism? So, I think it depends on who you're talking to. Regina: Okay. Clint: So, I’ll kind of, you know, run you through a little bit of it and then, like, where I land. So, if you're talking to some groups, I think that in the general, uh, public, like when we hear the term Afrofuturism- Regina: Mhm. Clint: -usually what people are referring to is just black speculative fiction writ large. It’s become like an umbrella term for black science fiction, fantasy, things like that. Um, that's the way it’s used popular. Um, with, uh, another group of people, I think it's become something that's a little bit more critical- Regina: Mhm. Clint: -that deals specifically with science fiction and the language of science fiction. Um, and so we see a lot of, like, sci fi iconology, um, iconic- icono- ugh, what’s the term I’m looking for? Um- Regina: Iconography? Clint: Iconography. Thank you very much. Regina: *laughs* Clint: Um, we see a lot of that. But, uh, really, what I'm interested in is not just Afrofuturism that goes, like, a thousand years into the future. I love that stuff. Don't get me wrong. I got a whole PhD studying just that. Regina: Right, right. Clint: But I think that what I'm really interested in is how do we use the metaphors, how do we use the language of science fiction, to think critically about the present day and where we will be five years in the future, ten years in the future, fifty years in the future. Um, so what I think Afrofuturism does best, um, and there's a lot of great definitions from people like Alondra Nelson, um, Kodwo Eshun, Greg Tate, uh, people R- Reynaldo Anderson with Afrofuturism 2.0, people have done some great critical thinking about this, is it is a tool that we used to interrupt, uh, mainstream narratives about where black people, um, will be in the future. Regina: I really like that language in terms of, you know, it’s used to disrupt what folks think that we can and what we will do, um, and, uh, you know, OutKast does that a lot, especially on ATLiens, like, the whole album is after a futuristic, right? From the use of spaceship sounds to the comic book, and they're fighting and all of these things. So, you know, could you- could you kind of walk us through how Afrofuturism could help us understand the significance of that album? Clint: So, I think that Scott Heath does a really good job with this, um, in his essay on, uh, the Planetary South, I think he calls it. Um, and there was a great, great symposium which I could not attend. That was Jackson State University called Planet Deep South. Regina: It was dope. I was there. Clint: Yeah, that's what I hear. Regina: Don’t be mad. Don’t be mad. Clint: Everybody else was there, and I wasn’t there. *laughs* Regina: It was like homecoming in February. It was homecoming in February. Clint: That's what I hear. But you know that- that whole crew- Regina: Right. Clint: -you know, we in the AUC now. So, we gon do it again. Regina: Okay, well then, we gon see- Clint: So get ready in 2019- Regina: Oh, ‘scuse me. Clint: Yeah, yeah, I’m just saying. Regina: Aight. Clint: But I think that what Scott does really well, uh, with the idea of the Planetary South, is he thinks about artists, musicians like OutKast. He also goes into other rappers like, um, Lil Wayne and the like, people who might use, uh, science fiction language in their work. Um, and he says that, really, what they're doing is they are reorganizing or re-thinking, like, the directions of, like, northeast, southwest, and how, when you're, you know, in the south, or when you’re in the north, basically the- everything is about due north. Like, where is true north? Uh, from north is where you can deduce where you are. Like you're looking for the North Star. Whatever. So, now I know where east is, I know where west is, I know where South is. In that context, everything is derivative of the north, and you are looking at the south, and, stereotypically, the south becomes the opposite- Regina: Right.
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