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Interview Transcript As Australians at War Film Archive Robert Douglas (Bob) - Transcript of interview Date of interview: 8th March 2004 http://australiansatwarfilmarchive.unsw.edu.au/archive/1609 Tape 1 00:36 Rolling now. OK Bob, I’ll just ask you to explain to us in ten minutes, what’s happened in your life. Well I suppose if you want to know what’s happened in my life, I would like to go back to really the very, early the beginning which involves my parents. And to understand my life perhaps, an understanding of my 01:00 parents would be useful. I’ll start with my mother, who was a magnificent woman. And she was born in London in 1878. And she was born, as she used to tell me, in the sound of Bow Bells, which made her a Cockney, really, from the Soho area. 01:30 She told me stories of, in her childhood, listening to the bell toll 80 times for each year of Queen Victoria’s life, and so it went on. Her family did tailoring for London tailors, Saville Row tailors. My maternal grandmother, whom 02:00 I don’t think I ever met, I may have done when I was very young, she made hand-pearled gentlemen’s jackets and waistcoats, that is invisible stitching, and that’s how they made their living. My mother found employment in a London hotel as a housemaid, and she was evidently very good at that. And she 02:30 progressed and became Housekeeper of a major hotel, which was a very important position in the hotel running. That progressed, and then, I understand mainly from my eldest brother Jack, who was 13 years older than me. That during this period in the hotel, she became romantically 03:00 involved with the head waiter, who was an Austrian, and a child ensued, so, and that was Jack, so really he was my half brother. So that went on, and obviously this birth of a child in those days, caused some concern, and she resigned. And therefore she 03:30 had nothing to do. Her older brother Sid, was a solicitor in the City in London, and I think with his assistance and perhaps other members of the family, she opened a boarding house for gentlemen. And the boarding house for gentlemen provided temporary boarding really, for gentlemen, in those days, in transit. They were moving from country to country, and 04:00 so on. And according to her stories to me, she can recall she had one of Ghandi’s disciples staying with her, Doctor Ray, and on one occasion Mr Ghandi actually visited her establishment to see to, to talk to Doctor Ray, that’s just one of the little comments she used to make. Now during this period, she must have met a 04:30 Scottish gentleman who was travelling widely, and that was my father, William Douglas. It’s interesting to note that William Douglas, who was born in a place, a village called Leyton, L-E-Y-T-O-N [Letham] in Scotland, which was very close to Glamas Castle, where Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon was born as a princess, she became the 05:00 wife of the King George VI, and eventually the Queen Mother as she was known. So he, his only claim to fame was that he was born near the castle. However, my knowledge of his early life is very sketchy. I believe his parents ran a bakery, and they, at some stage, may have moved to Brecon, which is another 05:30 place that perhaps we’ll come back to later. But he being a young fellow was restless in Scotland at the time, opportunities were virtually nil, and at 15 he took ship. His parents had died and he was virtually an orphan at 15 years old. And he had read of the great gold strikes in Townsville, or in Charters Towers in Queensland, 06:00 North Queensland in Australia. So he took ship on a giant sailing ship to Australia, and according to the story, 16 weeks before the mast, he arrived in Townsville. I’m not sure of my facts on this, but it would appear that if he went straight to Townsville rather than coming around the coast, pardon me, coast of Australia, that the ship that he was on, would have taken passage down the 06:30 East Coast of the America’s and around Cape Horn, and across the Pacific, which would have given them a direct access to Townsville. Arriving in Townsville, he was paid off, and he then invested in some mining equipment, which he carried, and he walked the 60 odd miles to Charters Towers. Apart from a few rough bullock tracks, there was no, no way of, 07:00 no roads or footpaths or anything of that nature. So he arrived in Charters Towers, and spent a few years there. There were stories that there was a romantic arrangements there, but nothing really came of them, obviously. He was unsuccessful in, in finding gold, so he got a job with a, a drover’s 07:30 camp, and twice assisted in driving cattle from the North Queensland to Sydney overland. That took months, because you had to go with the pace of the cattle, so as they could feed and retain their condition until they’d get to the destination. He did that twice, and being restless he moved down the coast, and finished in Melbourne. And there he worked for a short time, with 08:00 some people called White, who ran the early theatres in those days, White’s Theatres. And then, the detail here I just don’t know, but he moved to Geelong, and there he met a Mr Dalton, who was the Manager of Cobb and Co in, in Geelong. And when he was 08:30 there, he Mr Dalton gave him a job with Cobb and Co. And I have here a letter which gives him his original mail time instructions, dated the September 24th, 1889. And he drove the coach from Mortlake in Victoria to Hamilton and back, and there was quite a story related to that, 09:00 which we may possibly come to later. Then the railways came and the coaches died, so he took ship again and went to Western Australia, because they were finding gold over there. He worked there and didn’t do too well, so he took ship again to South Africa. And he went over Africa, and he went to Kenya, 09:30 and he was terribly impressed with Kenya, and he thought it was the finest country he had ever seen. So, obviously he wasn’t satisfied with that, and he took ship again to America, all on sailing ships. And he went across America, and I’m not too sure what his activities were. I know that I inherited eventually, 10:00 a, a railway type watch, a fob watch which he owned, which was obviously related to his days on the coaching days. And another, a beautiful gold Elgin watch, with filigree hands and gold embossed figures, and it must have, he must have purchased that in America, when he’d had a bit of luck. And I treasured those for many years, but then they were stolen. 10:30 The other thing that I inherited from him later on, was his silver spurs, which he would, and I used those. But he must have met my mother as he came back, passed through England. His history says that he did nine trips between England and Australia in his lifetime, plus all of the other travels he did around the world, 11:00 he was a real traveller. So he enjoyed the life of an adventurer? Yes, it was very much so, because there are many stories in his lifetime, which I don’t recall him telling me, but I do recall my mother telling me, because she was fooled with the history and law of my father, and she obviously was very, very fond of my father, 11:30 because she just never spoke of anything but good. Did your mother marry the Austrian man? No, no, that’s why she had to leave the hotel. So during my father’s, I’ll come to that now. During my father’s travels, he must have taken Ursel to stay in my mother’s boarding 12:00 house for want of a better word, which was in Sandwich Street in London. And she told stories there, under, of Sandwich Street. And my father must have married her there at some stage, because further children arrived. George was the next one, and he was ten years older than me. And then three years after that, 12:30 Bill arrived. And then the story goes, that some time, my father was still travelling extensively and I have one of his passports here, which show some of his travels around the world and around the South Sea Islands, and he was an, an inveterate traveller. Can I just ask you Bob, 13:00 who helped your mother look after her child, her first child, that she had when she wasn’t married? I have no idea, I have no idea. I think she probably just did it herself, because that’s why she went, she was in a home situation running the boarding house, so she had Jack and then George, and then later Bill. George was born in 1911, 13:30 and Bill was born in 1914.
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