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Legislative Council of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Mobile/Accessible Version | A A A | 繁體 | 简体 Advanced Search Legislative Council of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Wednesday, 10 September 1997 The Council met at half-past Two o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE MRS RITA FAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG SIU-YEE THE HONOURABLE JAMES TIEN PEI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE DAVID CHU YU-LIN THE HONOURABLE HO SAI-CHU, J.P. THE HONOURABLE EDWARD HO SING-TIN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE RAYMOND HO CHUNG-TAI, J.P. THE HONOURABLE NG LEUNG-SING PROF THE HONOURABLE NG CHING-FAI THE HONOURABLE ERIC LI KA-CHEUNG, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE DAVID LI KWOK-PO, J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEE KAI-MING THE HONOURABLE ALLEN LEE, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS SELINA CHOW, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS PEGGY LAM, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HENRY WU THE HONOURABLE NGAI SHIU-KIT, J.P. THE HONOURABLE HENRY TANG YING-YEN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE RONALD ARCULLI, J.P. THE HONOURABLE YUEN MO THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG HON-CHUNG DR THE HONOURABLE MRS TSO WONG MAN-YIN DR THE HONOURABLE LEONG CHE-HUNG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS SOPHIE LEUNG LAU YAU-FUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MOK YING-FAN THE HONOURABLE HUI YIN-FAT, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHOI-HI THE HONOURABLE CHAN YUEN-HAN THE HONOURABLE CHAN WING-CHAN THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM THE HONOURABLE TSANG YOK-SING THE HONOURABLE CHENG KAI-NAM http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr97-98/english/counmtg/hansard/970910fe.htm[16/4/2014 14:10:52] Legislative Council of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE THE HONOURABLE ANDREW WONG WANG-FAT, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PHILIP WONG YU-HONG THE HONOURABLE KENNEDY WONG YING-HO THE HONOURABLE HOWARD YOUNG, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE CHARLES YEUNG CHUN-KAM THE HONOURABLE YEUNG YIU-CHUNG THE HONOURABLE IP KWOK-HIM THE HONOURABLE CHIM PUI-CHUNG THE HONOURABLE BRUCE LIU SING-LEE THE HONOURABLE LAU KONG-WAH THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS MIRIAM LAU KIN-YEE, J.P. THE HONOURABLE AMBROSE LAU HON-CHUEN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHOY KAN-PUI, J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL CHENG MING-FUN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE TANG SIU-TONG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TIMOTHY FOK TSUN-TING THE HONOURABLE KAN FOOK-YEE THE HONOURABLE NGAN KAM-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE LO SUK-CHING DR THE HONOURABLE LAW CHEUNG-KWOK THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHOY SO-YUK MEMBERS ABSENT: THE HONOURABLE MRS ELSIE TU, G.B.M. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHUN-YING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHENG YIU-TONG PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE MRS ANSON CHAN, J.P. CHIEF SECRETARY FOR ADMINISTRATION THE HONOURABLE DONALD TSANG YAM-KUEN, J.P. THE FINANCIAL SECRETARY THE HONOURABLE ELSIE LEUNG OI-SIE, J.P. SECRETARY FOR JUSTICE MR CHAU TAK-HAY, J.P. SECRETARY FOR BROADCASTING, CULTURE AND SPORT MR PETER LAI HING-LING, J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY MR BOWEN LEUNG PO-WING, J.P. SECRETARY FOR PLANNING, ENVIRONMENT AND LANDS MR STEPHEN IP SHU-KWAN, J.P. SECRETARY FOR ECONOMIC SERVICES MR KEVIN HO CHI-MING, J.P. SECRETARY FOR TRANSPORT MR MATTHEW CHEUNG KIN-CHUNG, J.P. SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION AND MANPOWER MR CLEMENT MAK CHING-HUNG SECRETARY FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AFFAIRS MR GREGORY LEUNG WING-LUP, J.P. SECRETARY FOR HEALTH AND WELFARE http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr97-98/english/counmtg/hansard/970910fe.htm[16/4/2014 14:10:52] Legislative Council of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MR RICKY FUNG CHOI-CHEUNG, J.P., SECRETARY GENERAL MR LAW KAM-SANG, J.P., DEPUTY SECRETARY GENERAL MR RAY CHAN YUM-MOU, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL PAPERS The following papers were laid on the table pursuant to Rule 21(2) of the Rules of Procedure: Subject Subsidiary Legislation L.N. No. Securities and Futures Commission (Fees) (Amendment) Rules 1997 430/97 Banking Ordinance (Amendment of Seventh Schedule) Notice 1997 431/97 Immigration (Amendment) Regulation 1997 432/97 Registration of Persons (Amendment) Regulation 1997 433/97 Marriage Reform (Fees) (Amendment) Regulation 1997 434/97 Births Registration (Special Registers) Ordinance (Amendment of Fifth Schedule) Order 1997 435/97 Deaths Registration (Special Registers) Ordinance (Amendment of Fourth Schedule) Order 1997 436/97 Marriage Ordinance (Amendment of Second Schedule) Order 1997 437/97 Trade Marks (Amendment) Rules 1997 438/97 Child Abduction and Custody Ordinance (49 of 1997) (Commencement) Notice 1997 439/97 Building (Planning) (Amendment) Regulation 1997 (L.N. 239 of 1997) (Commencement) Notice 1997 440/97 Sessional Papers No. 7─ Report by the Trustee of the Correctional Services Children's Education Trust for the period 1 September 1995 to 31 August 1996 No.8─ The Government Minute in response to the Report No. 28 of the Public Accounts Committee dated June 1997 ADDRESSES PRESIDENT (in Cantonese): Good afternoon, Members. The Chief Secretary for Administration will address the Council on the Government Minute in response to Report No. 28 of the Public Accounts Committee dated June 1997. Chief Secretary for Administration. The Government Minute in response to the Report No. 28 of the Public Accounts Committee dated June 1997 CHIEF SECRETARY FOR ADMINISTRATION (in Cantonese): Madam President, laid on the table today is the Government Minute responding to Report No. 28 of the Public Accounts Committee. The Minute sets out the measures the Government has taken, or is planning to take, on the conclusions and recommendations contained in the Report. I do not propose to go over the Government's response on each of the subjects covered. I am pleased to note that the Honourable Eric LI has been elected once again as the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee. In his capacity as the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee of the previous legislature, Mr LI spoke on 11 June this year when tabling the Report. Referring to some of the subjects covered in the Report, he made certain key observations regarding the implementation of public policy and the Government's accountability. My response to those observations is as follows: Mr LI considered that while the Government establishes publicly-funded bodies with the objective of improving public services to the community, it is incumbent upon the Administration to ensure that the huge public resources placed under these bodies are giving good value for money. We agree with this, especially when subventions to these non- government public bodies now account for 37% of total government recurrent expenditure. However, in discharging this responsibility, we have to strike a balance between proper control of public money and allowing these publicly- funded organizations adequate flexibility in resource management. Otherwise, we may undermine the efficient and effective delivery of public services by these bodies. In the case of departmental quarters retained by the Hospital Authority, we agree that these quarters are valuable assets which should be put to good use at all times. The inter-departmental working group set up in April this year to monitor the utilization of these quarters has made good progress. Of the 542 vacant quarters at the time, 170 have been or will be converted for non-clinical uses by the Hospital Authority, such as offices and overnight restrooms and 190 will be used for providing social welfare services or let out commercially for residential purpose. The Hospital Authority is actively looking at the future use of the rest. Also on the operation of publicly-funded organizations, Mr LI suggested that the time has perhaps come for the Administration to take a fresh overall view of the manner in which these organizations relate to the Government and http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr97-98/english/counmtg/hansard/970910fe.htm[16/4/2014 14:10:52] Legislative Council of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region the remuneration packages they offer. In making this suggestion, Mr LI observed that while we need to ensure the proper use of public resources, we should also ensure that these publicly-funded organizations meet the situations of the modern day labour market of Hong Kong. I agree with his remarks. Publicly-funded organizations operate independently of Government and need a degree of flexibility in setting their own terms and conditions of employment. We feel that Government should not interfere in this provided that the terms are in line with our subvention principle that the overall remuneration for staff in organizations receiving Government subventions should not be superior to those provided by Government to comparable grades in the civil service. We share the concern of the Public Accounts Committee on the implementation of the double housing benefits. Since there are different types of publicly-funded organizations, we need first to review the criteria governing the application of the double housing benefits rules. We will then take steps to ensure that those which should be subject to the rules are implementing the rules. On the suspension of pensions for retired civil servants in publicly-funded organizations, we note Mr LI's remarks that our existing policy on suspension of monthly pensions for retired civil servants employed in certain gazetted publicly- funded organizations may have inadvertently placed the publicly-funded organizations in a disadvantageous position when recruiting retired civil servants. We will undertake an in-depth review of the policy, having regard to its original rationale and objectives, and their relevance to present circumstances. Finally, the Committee expressed concern over the relocation of a private cargo pier under the West Kowloon Reclamation Project only a few years after its establishment as a result of the Airport Core Programme (ACP).