On Being Brave with Flora Bowley + Melody Ross
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On Being Brave with Flora Bowley + Melody Ross Flora: Hi everybody. Welcome back. I am thrilled and just so excited to be here at the beautiful Oregon coast behind us here, with a dear friend and fellow artist and teacher and just all around amazing person, Melody Ross. Thank you. Melody: Thank you. I’m happy to be here. So honored. Flora: What actually happened to bring us here to this moment is pretty funny. We tried to do this chat online a few times and failed miserably. Melody: It was funny. But it didn’t work out. Flora: It was funny, but bad quality. And so we just discovered that you were going to be at the Oregon coast, and so I decided to hop in my car and come here so that we could actually sit and be together. And it’s so lovely. Melody: It’s amazing. It’s kind of a miracle, how it all happened. Flora: Kind of a miracle! Melody: We’re glad it didn’t work out before. Flora: It was really a blessing. It really was. And I walked in and Melody’s here with some artists having a week of art-making and I walked in and some other people I love and know. And it’s just been really sweet. So, here we are! When I was considering who I would talk to for the theme of being brave, you were just the first person that popped into my mind. I didn’t even go any further, because you just personify bravery in so many ways, both in art and in life. One amazing program that Melody runs is called “Brave Girls Club.” And this is an in-person gathering that happens five times a year. Melody: For women, yeah. Flora: For women. On her beautiful ranch in Idaho. And it’s all about empowerment. Melody: We say it’s a safe place to figure things out. And so we provide tools through art- making to help you figure out really what you want to do with your life. What you want to do with the transition that you’re in. Just how you want to move forward and who you are. It’s very quiet. We don’t have phones or computers. It’s very unplugged. Flora: That sounds great. Melody: So you can really get into... We take care of all your needs so that you can just focus on figuring things out. Lots of times we just can’t figure things out. I think that we all have the answers in us if we... if things get quiet enough to be able to hear them. Flora: Absolutely. Melody: We create an environment and also have a curriculum that really helps you pull out everything you want to do, how to be brave enough to do it, and be kind to yourself through it. Flora: Right. So, yeah, beautiful. I’ve never done it, but I want to. And you also offer online “Brave Girls Club.” Melody: Yes. Flora: As well as “Soul School,” which is like a monthly subscription. Melody: Yup, soul work. Flora: So we’ll add links to all her amazing offerings. I want to just dive right in because we are on week four in the course. And you’ve taken the course. Melody: I have. Live and online. Flora: Both versions. And so you understand this place that we’re at in the process, which is potentially frustrating, potentially confusing. Maybe really chaotic, messy... Melody: Ready to quit. Flora: Ready to quit. Ready to get out the gesso. Melody: Or paint over it. Ready to just abandon the whole thing. Flora: Exactly. And this is why this week is the “be brave” week. Because this is the time in the creative process, and in life, when we get to these moments where... Melody: The middle. Flora: The middle. Melody: The ugly, scary middle. Flora: The ugly, scary middle. The “awkward teenager phase” is what I like to call it. This is when we need to be brave the most. This is when we need to call on all of our, I think, past experiences where we had a block or had a fear. We were brave, we moved through, we survived, we made it to... Melody: No matter what it was in. Not just in art, but in life. Flora: Yeah, in everything. Melody: Everything has the same feelings and the same energy and requires the same place within us to make it keep going, whether it’s art or running a business or parenting or whatever it is. Flora: Yeah. And I always think that it’s just a practice. Like, being brave it’s... Melody: It’s a decision. Flora: It’s a decision, yes. Melody: Just like with everything else, it’s a decision. Flora: Really, one of the first things I say in my in-person workshops is that, you know, we’re all... let’s just accept the fact that we’re all going to have moments where we want to abandon, where we want to start over... Melody: You will make ugly things. Flora: You’ll make ugly things. Melody: Yeah, you will. Flora: You won’t know what to do next. You might just feel really bad. You might start to let that become an internal story about what it means about you. Melody: “Just like everything else! Everything like this happens in my life!” Flora: Right. Nothing works out. Melody: You start equating it to everything else that’s happened in your life. Flora: So I just say, let’s accept the fact that that’s actually a very important part of this process. Melody: Yes. It is. Flora: And so when that inevitable moment happens, instead of abandoning or feeling stuck or whatever the emotion is, we can actually say, Oh, hello. This is the moment. I knew you were coming, and here you are. How can I be with that? Melody: Yeah. Like you were talking about planning for it. You could even write a list, “This is what I will do when I get to a place where I do not like this at all.” Or “I’m even embarrassed of how it looks,” or whatever. Or, “I’m sick of it. This is what I will do.” “This is what I will do when it happens.” So that you can plan. Plan for difficulty. Expect difficulty. Flora: Can you share some of the things that you do in those moments? Melody: Well, sometimes I just walk away. Sometimes I start working on something else. Sometimes I change the music. You know? So you can change the energy. Sometimes I’ll go look at things that inspire me. We have Pinterest and all these beautiful places to go to look at beautiful things. Often I’ll go look at nature. I know you taught me to go find a unique leaf or something and paint that as one of your marks. There’s inspiration everywhere. So just go look at beautiful things and get inspired again. That’s what I do. And sometimes I just need to eat something. You know what I mean? Flora: Totally know what you mean. It’s like, Oh, I’m actually just thirsty! Melody: Yeah, exactly! So just walk away from it and say, “I need to do something for myself right now.” Flora: One thing – I’ve never actually done this, but I’ve always thought it would be a great thing to do – is to write all these things out and, like, put them in a hat so that when you hit the moment... Melody: That’s a good idea! Flora: I know, right! You could just draw it and say, like, okay there’s an idea. Melody: Crummy moment hat. Flora: Crummy moment hat. Melody: Yeah. I feel lost. That’s a good idea. There’s just so many things you can do instead of just abandoning the whole thing. We were talking before about putting things in perspective. Because you get so into your art – I do, you do, you guys do, I’m sure – you get so into it that you start forgetting that anything else exists. And that’s the beautiful part of making art, where you get lost in it. But also it can really mess with your perspective. It can make you think this painting is the meaning of my life. Flora: It’s so important. Melody: You know, and if this doesn’t work out... Because you’re so in it, which is exactly where you should be, but it’s really not your whole life. The painting isn’t. Flora: No. Melody: It’s such a great catalyst for so many things and it’s just... You might end up with the masterpiece of your life, but you have this whole life outside of it. Sometimes you just have to go, Wait a second. This is just canvas and paint. It’s not gonna ruin my life. Flora: Exactly. Melody: You know? You just have to get some perspective. Flora: That’s something I shout out in my workshops sometimes, “Remember it’s just paint.” Like, “Remember it’s just paint!” Melody: Yeah. It’s not going to ruin any of your most important parts of your life. Flora: And I think – I mentioned already – but this idea that these challenging moments are actually important parts of the creative process. And why that is, in my opinion, is that it demonstrates that we’re actually putting ourselves out there on the edge of something new.