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LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF

2nd Session 5th Assembly

HANSARD

Official Report

DAY 43

Thursday, March 7, 2019

Pages 2865 – 2937

Iqaluit

Speaker: The Honourable Joe Enook, M.L.A.

Legislative Assembly of Nunavut

Speaker Hon. Joe Enook (Tununiq)

Hon. David Akeeagok Mila Kamingoak Emiliano Qirngnuq (Quttiktuq) () (Netsilik) Deputy Premier; Minister of Economic Development and Transportation Pauloosie Keyootak (Uqqummiut) () Tony Akoak () Hon. Lorne Kusugak Allan Rumbolt Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole ( South) (Hudson Bay) Minister of Community and Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole Pat Angnakak Government Services; Minister (-Niaqunnguu) of Human Resources Hon. Joe Savikataaq ( South) Hon. Jeannie Ehaloak Adam Lightstone Premier; Minister of Executive and () (Iqaluit-Manirajak) Intergovernmental Affairs; Minister of Minister of Justice; Minister responsible for Energy; Minister of Environment; Minister Labour; Minister responsible for the Qulliq John Main responsible for Aboriginal Affairs; Energy Corporation (Arviat North-Whale Cove) Minister responsible for Seniors; Minister responsible for the Utility Rates Review Hon. George Hickes Simeon Mikkungwak Council (Iqaluit-Tasiluk) (Baker Lake) Deputy Speaker and Chair of Minister of Finance, Chair of the Financial Hon. Elisapee Sheutiapik Management Board; Minister of Health; the Committee of the Whole (Iqaluit-Sinaa) Minister responsible for Suicide Prevention; Government House Leader; Minister of Minister responsible for the Workers’ Safety Margaret Nakashuk () Family Services; Minister responsible for and Compensation Commission Homelessness; Minister responsible for Hon. Patterk Netser Immigration; Minister responsible for the Hon. David Joanasie (Aivilik) Status of Women (South Baffin) Minister responsible for Minister of Culture and Heritage; Minister of ; Cathy Towtongie Education; Minister of Languages Minister responsible for the (Rankin Inlet North-Chesterfield Inlet) Nunavut Housing Corporation Joelie Kaernerk ()

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Clerk Assistant Law Clerk Sergeant-at-Arms Hansard Production Stephen Innuksuk Michael Chandler Charlie Audlakiak Innirvik Support Services

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Table of Contents

Opening Prayer ...... 2865

Ministers’ Statements ...... 2865

Members’ Statements ...... 2869

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery ...... 2875

Oral Questions ...... 2876

Tabling of Documents ...... 2895

Motions ...... 2895

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters ...... 2898

Report of the Committee of the Whole ...... 2936

Orders of the Day ...... 2936

A. Daily References

Thursday, March 7, 2019...... 2865

B. Ministers’ Statements

195 – 5(2): Connected North Videoconferencing (Joanasie) ...... 2865

196 – 5(2): Connected North – Continued (Kusugak) ...... 2866

197 – 5(2): Supporting Solutions to Homelessness (Sheutiapik) ...... 2866

198 – 5(2): Dementia Care Services (Hickes) ...... 2868

199 – 5(2): International Women’s Day (Sheutiapik) ...... 2868

C. Members’ Statements

296 – 5(2): The Tuberculosis Legacy in Nunavut (Quassa) ...... 2869

297 – 5(2): Issues around the Tuberculosis Legacy (Main) ...... 2870

298 – 5(2): Congratulations to Constituent Alassua Hanson (Angnakak) ...... 2870

299 – 5(2): More Success for “Moving Forward Together” Project (Kamingoak) ...... 2871

300 – 5(2): The Tuberculosis Legacy in Nunavut (Towtongie) ...... 2872

301 – 5(2): Recognizing the Contributions of Nunavut Sivuniksavut (Lightstone) ...... 2872

302 – 5(2): Recognizing Mina Akavak (Nakashuk) ...... 2873

303 – 5(2): Services for Unilingual Elders (Akeeagok) ...... 2874

304 – 5(2): The Tuberculosis Legacy in Nunavut (Kusugak) ...... 2874

D. Oral Questions

412 – 5(2): Prime Minister’s Visit to Iqaluit for TB Apology (Angnakak) ...... 2876

413 – 5(2): Support for Harvesters and Hunters and Trappers Organizations (Kamingoak) .....2879

414 – 5(2): Accessing Federal Tuberculosis Funding (Quassa) ...... 2880

415 – 5(2): Territorial Parks (Qirngnuq) ...... 2882

416 – 5(2): Allowance Rates for Medical Travel Clients (Towtongie) ...... 2883

417 – 5(2): Solid Waste Management (Akoak) ...... 2885

418 – 5(2): Attendance Management in the Civil Service (Main) ...... 2886

419 – 5(2): Government-wide Supports for Seniors (Nakashuk) ...... 2889

420 – 5(2): Defining a Male Caribou (Keyootak) ...... 2891

421 – 5(2): Municipal Mobile Equipment Program (Mikkungwak) ...... 2893

E. Tabling of Documents

141 – 5(2): Letter to Chesterfield Inlet District Education Authority (Joanasie) ...... 2895

F. Motions

029 – 5(2): Extension of Review Period for Bill 1, Corrections Act (Main) ...... 2895

030 – 5(2): Extension of Review Period for Bill 8, An Act to Amend the Workers’ Compensation

Act (Main) ...... 2896

G. Bills

Bill 15 – Appropriation (Operations & Maintenance) Act, 2019-2020 – Nunavut Arctic College –

Consideration in Committee ...... 2898

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Iqaluit, Nunavut Hon. David Joanasie (interpretation): Thursday, March 7, 2019 Good morning, Mr. Speaker, members, Members Present: and all Nunavummiut. Hon. David Akeeagok, Mr. Tony Akoak, Ms. Pat Angnakak, Hon. Jeannie (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I rise Ehaloak, Hon. Joe Enook, Hon. George today to talk about a joint project Hickes, Hon. David Joanasie, Ms. Mila between Community and Government Kamingoak, Mr. Pauloosie Keyootak, Services and the Department of Hon. Lorne Kusugak, Mr. Adam Education. Connected North is providing Lightstone, Mr. John Main, Mr. Simeon innovative learning opportunities in Mikkungwak, Ms. Margaret Nakashuk, Nunavut schools. Hon. Patterk Netser, Mr. Emiliano Qirngnuq, Mr. Paul Quassa, Mr. Allan Mr. Speaker, Connected North uses Rumbolt, Hon. Joe Savikataaq, Hon. video technology to provide enhanced Elisapee Sheutiapik, Ms. Cathy educational opportunities for Nunavut Towtongie. students. For instance, it connects our students with classrooms from across >>House commenced at 10:01 Canada. It also allows our students to speak to experts in a particular field in Item 1: Opening Prayer real time. Ultimately our classrooms are becoming more capable of distance Speaker (Hon. Joe Enook) learning. (interpretation): Mr. Keyootak, can you say the opening prayer, please. Mr. Speaker, Connected North got its start with a pilot project in 2013-14 in >>Prayer three schools: Aqsarniit Middle School here in Iqaluit, Sam Pudlat School in Speaker (interpretation): Thank you, Cape Dorset, and John Arnalukjuaq Mr. Keyootak. (interpretation ends) School in Arviat. Based on the success Premier (interpretation) and my of the pilot project, I am excited to colleagues, good morning. report that today the system has been Nunavummiut who are listening to the installed in 20 schools in 12 radio broadcast and watching the communities. televised proceedings, welcome to your Legislative Assembly. >>Applause

Going to the orders of the day. Thank you. Mr. Speaker, this technology Ministers’ Statements. Minister of has, for example, enabled Arviat’s John Education, Minister Joanasie. Arnalukjuaq High School to be one of ten Canadian schools to take part in an Item 2: Ministers’ Statements online event called Global Dignity Day. Arviat students were a part of an Minister’s Statement 195 – 5(2): estimated 2,000 students from across Connected North Canada using this teleconferencing Videoconferencing (Joanasie) technology to listen to speakers from around the world.

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(interpretation) Building from this, remote and isolated schools with unique principals and teachers can schedule and immersive learning opportunities classes and lessons on the system. By that are otherwise inaccessible to these taking their classroom outside of the communities. To do so, CGS provides textbook, they are able to engage their the telecommunications hardware and students in ways that are more relevant bandwidth for the modern in our increasingly digital and connected videoconferencing equipment essential world. for the enhanced learning aspect of this program. CGS staff also provide Mr. Speaker, as this project lays out the consistent technical support in the groundwork for videoconferencing in installation, configuration, and trouble- Nunavut, we hope to see this network shooting of this telecommunications continue to expand in support of student hardware. learning and eventually staff professional development. Thank you, During the current school year 180 live Mr. Speaker. sessions have been completed. This is an increase of 150 percent compared to the >>Applause previous school year. Plans have been created to continue deploying these Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. videoconferencing services into all 42 Ministers’ Statements. Minister of schools throughout the territory over the Community and Government Services, next three years. Minister Kusugak. Mr. Speaker, the implementation of the Minister’s Statement 196 – 5(2): Connected North program is a great Connected North – Continued accomplishment in the enhancement of (Kusugak) educational opportunities for our Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): Nunavut youth. We will continue to Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Good support the Department of Education in morning to the people of Rankin Inlet. these endeavours to provide innovative We are one with you and I send my and unique educational programs to all condolences to Panigoniak’s family. our Nunavummiut youth. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I rise today to continue the remarks of the >>Applause Minister of Education on the extraordinary success of the Government Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. of Nunavut’s Connected North program. Ministers’ Statements. Minister of I am proud to inform members of the Family Services, Minister Sheutiapik. Department of Community and Government Services’ involvement in Minister’s Statement 197 – 5(2): the delivery of essential hardware and Supporting Solutions to telecommunication tools necessary for Homelessness (Sheutiapik) the growth and success of this program. Hon. Elisapee Sheutiapik The aim of this initiative is to connect (interpretation): Thank you, Mr.

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Speaker. Those in Nunavut who are and risky situations. going through a difficult time are also in my thoughts. The second pilot project my department is supporting is a street outreach (interpretation ends) Uqaqtitsijii, my initiative in Iqaluit. This program is department is continuing its work to being run by community volunteers and advocate for and support solutions to is designed to offer non-emergency prevent and address the root causes of supports to people experiencing absolute homelessness. homelessness, who face persistent barriers in accessing services and We currently provide funding to support supports. The program aims to build the ongoing operations of three trusting and supportive relationships that emergency homeless shelters in Iqaluit then help connect individuals with and Cambridge Bay, and more advice, support, and services. communities are seeking resources to open shelters. We will work with the Uqaqtitsijii, my department is also communities who have identified needs working to secure the resources and expressed interest in exploring necessary to create transitional housing community, regional, and innovative and in the territory. Transitional housing is flexible solutions in the context of medium-term temporary housing that limited resources. serves as a bridge between emergency homeless shelters and permanent, stable Uqaqtitsijii, my department will soon be housing. Transitional housing provides finalizing its report on the homelessness supports and services to help clients step research in Arviat, Gjoa Haven, Clyde away from a crisis and strengthen their River, and that was [self-reliance]. undertaken throughout 2018. This research will strengthen our Uqaqtitsijii, in closing, I would like to understanding of the circumstances and commend our community members and needed supports to address homelessness the staff and volunteers of all of our in our communities. territory’s shelters for their hard work, compassion, and dedication in Uqaqtitsijii, this year we have also supporting Nunavummiut who find supported two pilot [homelessness] themselves in crisis. My department initiatives. As many of you know, a remains committed in its work in damp shelter opened in Iqaluit in supporting individuals experiencing January 2019. This model of shelter has homelessness and the communities shown positive changes at an individual striving to find innovative solutions to and societal level in other cities, this social issue. (interpretation) Thank including lower overall alcohol you, Mr. Speaker. consumption among clients and increased likelihood of clients joining >>Applause wellness programming. Most importantly this service provides a safe Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. space for individuals who would Ministers’ Statements. Minister of otherwise find themselves in vulnerable Health, Minister Hickes.

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Minister’s Statement 198 – 5(2): , Iqaluit, and Rankin Inlet. In Dementia Care Services (Hickes) total, 87 participants from across the territory have completed training. Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Dementia is a progressive Additionally, in early January about 60 mental health condition that affects health care staff from the Qikiqtaaluk memory, thinking, behaviour, and the region completed Pallium Canada’s ability to perform everyday activities. Learning Essentials Approaches to Although Alzheimer’s disease is the Palliative and End of Life Care (LEAP) most common, there are different types education program. The course provided of dementia that require varied levels of an opportunity for active learning in care. caring for patients with life-threatening and life-limiting illness, with a special Health is committed to providing care focus on family practice and community and support for seniors and other adults settings. requiring ongoing support in their home through supportive living arrangements Mr. Speaker and members, we are or with 24/7 nursing and supportive care excited to continue exploring in residential long-term care facilities for opportunities like these that help support those who have more complex needs. Nunavummiut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, Health is constantly >>Applause exploring new training opportunities to improve upon the specialized care Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. required to support individuals living Ministers’ Statements. Minister with dementia-related illness. responsible for the Status of Women, Minister Sheutiapik. Mr. Speaker, I am excited to announce that two innovative and best practice Minister’s Statement 199 – 5(2): educational opportunities took place in International Women’s Day territory this year. Eighty-seven health (Sheutiapik) care staff have completed the Gentle Hon. Elisapee Sheutiapik Persuasion Approach course focused on (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Alzheimer’s and dementia care. Gentle Speaker. (interpretation ends) Tomorrow Persuasion Approach is an evidenced- marks International Women’s Day. This based best practice training program annual event is an opportunity to honour created by geriatricians, nurses, and the achievements of women not only in caregivers. The approach helps care Nunavut but around the world. The providers deliver person-centred, theme of this year’s International compassionate care to individuals with Women’s Day is #BalanceforLife. As a dementia. Member of the Legislative Assembly, I know we must collectively strive to One ‘Train-the-Trainer’ and 16 Gentle support gender balance and equality in Persuasion Approach training sessions our families, communities, and have been delivered across five workplaces. communities: Arviat, Cambridge Bay,

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In observance of this day, the Qulliit Item 3: Members’ Statements Nunavut Status of Women Council has organized a photo exhibition featuring Member’s Statement 296 – 5(2): The photos submitted from women across Tuberculosis Legacy in Nunavut Nunavut over the last five years. The (Quassa) photos represent the themes of strength, Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, family, work, community, and Mr. Speaker. Good morning, my traditional clothing. The photos will be colleagues and fellow residents of on display at the Nunatta Igloolik. [Sunakkutaangit] Museum in Iqaluit, starting March 8 until April 6. A I rise today to address an issue that I reception will take place on Saturday, have been hearing for a while about March 9, at 2:00 p.m. at the museum. I tuberculosis. We know the Prime do invite my colleagues and fellow Minister is supposed to come in today to Nunavummiut to visit the exhibition this apologize. We feel it as . Personally month and experience the inspirational I left to go to a sanatorium when I was images firsthand. five years old. I had a sister who never came back and we don’t know where her In addition to this, on March 9 the grave is today. Qulliit Nunavut Status of Women Council will announce the winners of the I can feel this personally and I also feel Wise Woman and Outstanding Young for my fellow Nunavummiut. It is deep Woman awards. These awards are meant inside and I know this is a major event to honour women who are role models in today when we finally receive an their community for volunteering and apology because many Inuit have not advocating to improve the status of come back. I feel for our fellow Inuit, for women in Nunavut. Nunavummiut who have struggled with this issue. We expect those who leave to Mr. Speaker, every day women and girls come back. Some of them have not come come together and lead the growth and back. My sister never came back, which development of our communities. As is why I wanted to express my feelings Minister responsible for the Status of this morning. Women, I would like to thank the Qulliit Nunavut Status of Women Council for I think of the residents of my community championing this important work and and Nunavummiut. Let’s remember this providing a platform to empower women day, my colleagues, as it is important. and girls. (interpretation) Thank you, When people apologize, it rises us up Mr. Speaker. and so I wanted to bring this up, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. >>Applause >>Applause Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Ministers’ Statements. Members’ Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Statements. Member for Aggu, Mr. Members’ Statements. Member for Quassa. Arviat North-Whale Cove, Mr. Main.

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Member’s Statement 297 – 5(2): this time. Further, it is creating Issues around the Tuberculosis confusion as in some pamphlets it states Legacy (Main) Inuit will be part of the Indian hospital class action, but then others state it was Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, the sanatorium that cannot be included. Mr. Speaker. Good morning, fellow How can we clarify this confusion so members. The statements from my that residents get a clear understanding fellow member are very deep issues. from this government? We should develop an information sheet for this The apology today from the federal explaining the class action suits. It is government will bring some sort of regrettable, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, closure. Let us hope they provide an Mr. Speaker. I say “thank you.” opportunity for healing for the many Nunavummiut who have been affected. I >>Applause have heard many stories from my constituents in Arviat and Whale Cove. I Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. have heard multiple stories of colonial Members’ Statements. Member for abuse of Inuit, as they suffered many Iqaluit-Niaqunnguu, Ms. Angnakak. abuses. It is unfortunate that it has taken to this date to even receive an apology. Member’s Statement 298 – 5(2): Perhaps if this was acknowledged and Congratulations to Constituent noted by the federal government earlier, Alassua Hanson (Angnakak) we would not have so many people in pain to this day as they would have Ms. Angnakak (interpretation): Thank begun healing earlier. you, Mr. Speaker. I say “good morning” to you all. There are more class action cases moving through the court system (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I primarily related to the (interpretation really heard the minister’s statement ends) Indian hospital sanatoriums about empowering women. My (interpretation) and it has become statement is about a very similar thing noticeable as I have had visitors coming and it’s about a constituent of mine who to my offices in Arviat and Whale Cove I am very proud of as well. to sign up for the petition or to find out how to join the class action. I wonder Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure how we can work to resolve this long- to rise today and recognize a constituent festering hurt as a government so that of mine, Ms. Alassua Hanson, for our citizens can receive a clear, concise another fine accomplishment. fact sheet to explain how residents can join the class actions being considered Mr. Speaker, Alassua just came back through the court system. from Nobleton, Ontario, where she was taking part in a youth movement With all of that occurring, our conference at the YMCA Cedar Glen. government should be saying you can The conference was coordinated by the sign up to join the class action suit. I Students Commission. doubt there is anything being provided at

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The Students Commission works with Kugluktuk, Ms. Kamingoak. youth, governments, and corporations to design and deliver effective youth Member’s Statement 299 – 5(2): More policies and programs. By empowering Success for “Moving Forward young people like Alassua, the Together” Project (Kamingoak) commission gives them the opportunity to develop solutions to pressing social Ms. Kamingoak: Koana, Mr. Speaker. issues that impact all Canadians. Good morning, colleagues and Nunavummiut. Mr. Speaker, Alassua, along with many youth around our country, had the Mr. Speaker, I rise today to tell you opportunity to voice the kinds of about another success from the Moving experiences that youth face on a daily Forward Together - Hivumut Aulaniq basis. Her trip was supported by a Atauttimut project. sponsorship from the Rideau Hall Foundation. Mr. Speaker, you may recall that I rose in this place to tell you about the short Alassua attended the conference with film project that was run by Reel Youth three other Iqaluit youth: Alika in 2017. Reel Youth facilitated two Komangapik, Arema Komangapik, and intergenerational programs where young Mac Pavia. Hopefully I pronounced his people and community elders spent time name properly. They joined 150 youth out on the land, teaching, learning, and from every province and territory to creating short films. focus on social issues in the areas of truth and reconciliation, structural Mr. Speaker, in one of those mini- racism, children’s rights, and the social documentaries that were created on the inclusion of youth living in rural, remote land in Kugluktuk, Elder Alice Ayalik and northern communities. Hitkoak shares string games, traditional foods and knowledge that she learned as Mr. Speaker, it always gives me great a young girl. Audiences adored this star hope for our future when I hear about elder in the film called “I am Hitkoak.” Nunavut’s youth and young adults This year the Sixth International Youth finding their voices and addressing the Film Festival which takes place in social issues that affect their peers. Plasencia, Spain has selected “I am Hitkoak” to screen at their festival. Congratulations to Alassua, Alika, Arema, and Mac for taking part in the This is a very exciting recognition of the Youth Movement Conference. I expect work that the youth and elders have we will be hearing more from these completed in Kugluktuk. I ask my active young Nunavummiut in the colleagues to join me in congratulating future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. the creators of this film on being selected. Koana, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause >>Applause Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Members’ Statements. Member for Speaker (interpretation): Thank you.

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Members’ Statements. Member for heart beating through. These are the Rankin Inlet North-Chesterfield Inlet, types of real episodes in light of Canada Ms. Towtongie. offering an apology to Inuit for their treatment in the past. I, too, have Member’s Statement 300 – 5(2): The personal feelings on this apology, as my Tuberculosis Legacy in Nunavut paternal aunt Hattie Alagalak also lost (Towtongie) her mother much like our family. I went Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank down south with my aunt. you, Mr. Speaker, for recognizing me. I say “good morning” to my fellow However, I recall my uncle Mike Bruce residents of Rankin Inlet and the was well known. He was strong like the residents of Chesterfield Inlet. old Inuit of yore. My grandmother Arnalluutik’s spirit will stand as the Tuberculosis is a disease that has had Government of Canada will announce huge impacts on my fellow residents in their apology today. Thank you, Mr. Rankin Inlet and the residents of Speaker. Chesterfield Inlet, as many families lost loved ones. This disease affected me >>Applause personally as my grandmother Leonie Qavangat was taken away when I was Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. six years old and never returned. I Members’ Statements. Member for searched for her over a period of 23 Iqaluit-Manirajak, Mr. Lightstone. years and I finally found her by using her number, E3-468. I had to use her E3 Member’s Statement 301 – 5(2): number to find her and I couldn’t use her Recognizing the Contributions of name. She was my home. Nunavut Sivuniksavut (Lightstone) The nurses that had provided care, when Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. I found her grave in La Pas in the 6 Mile Speaker. I stand today to recognize the Cemetery, said something that stuck contribution that the Nunavut with me. I was informed that they were Sivuniksavut program has made to our kind of shaken because when Inuit territory. As a former participant and on would be sent down, none of the nurses behalf of all the current students and understood their language and many of alumni, as well as their employers, I them would stop eating since the food would like to thank the organization, was alien. When we Inuit go down their staff and their board of directors for south, even after one day has passed, we all that they are doing for our youth. feel like eating frozen country food. I can just imagine our poor ancestors who Mr. Speaker, I would like to reiterate my could not eat what they desired. I finally shock and concern when the Minister of found her in the fall of August 2009. Family Services informed the Assembly on March 5 that the Government of I also want to say this about my paternal Nunavut had made the decision to end uncle, as I had two paternal uncles. Mike its contribution to the Nunavut Bruce Tunaalaq had no ribs, and when Sivuniksavut program… you looked at his skin, you could see the

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An Hon. Member: Shame, shame! Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Good morning. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I say Mr. Lightstone: …the funding of which “good morning” to the residents of has been ongoing since 2011. Pangnirtung and they are in my thoughts today. This day is unique in both the Mr. Speaker, Nunavut Sivuniksavut acknowledgement and expectation of exists for the sole purpose of enhancing who is to arrive to Iqaluit, as the Prime Nunavut’s human resource development Minister of Canada is scheduled to arrive by preparing Inuit youth to make a to announce this apology, and to the positive contribution to our territory. residents of Pangnirtung who may be recalling their lost ones today, much like Further, Nunavut Sivuniksavut graduates many other Inuit in Nunavut. I share are leading Nunavut in a wide range of your pain today. fields, from political positions, media and broadcasting, and all levels of The reason why I rise today is on government, including hard-to-fill another matter altogether and I wish to positions such as nurses and teachers. acknowledge a special person who isn’t a constituent, but she is my sibling and In fact the Government of Nunavut is the the oldest in our family. My older sister largest employer of Nunavut is celebrating her birthday today and I Sivuniksavut graduates, which is why I am very proud of her. I can’t recall the believe that the Government of Nunavut exact number of years she spent fighting should be doing all it can to assist the an illness going back and forth to Nunavut Sivuniksavut program in Ottawa. She has completed all of her preparing our youth for future medical treatments and doctors have employment. pronounced that she is now disease-free.

Once again I am shocked and in awe that I wanted to voice my pride in her the government has decided to cease considerable strength and her supporting the Nunavut Sivuniksavut capabilities, and the support she has program through contributions, and I received from her family, her children, will have questions on the topic at the and especially her husband. I wanted to appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. especially recognize my older sister as I Speaker. see her as an extremely strong, capable woman. Here is my older sister, Mina An Hon. Member: Hear, hear! Akavak. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

>>Applause >>Applause

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Members’ Statements. Member for Members’ Statements. Member for Pangnirtung, Ms. Nakashuk. Quttiktuq, Mr. Akeeagok.

Member’s Statement 302 – 5(2): Recognizing Mina Akavak (Nakashuk)

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Member’s Statement 303 – 5(2): Rankin Inlet South, Mr. Kusugak. Services for Unilingual Elders (Akeeagok) Member’s Statement 304 – 5(2): The Hon. David Akeeagok (interpretation): Tuberculosis Legacy in Nunavut Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This week I (Kusugak) received a letter from one of my elders Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): and when I read it, it really affected me. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Thank you I can speak English and Inuktitut, which for allowing me to speak. Good morning I don’t seem to be overly concerned to the people of Rankin Inlet. about personally. However, I was reminded that a lot of our elders only Mr. Speaker, a lot of Inuit from speak Inuktitut. Nunavut, even before we created Nunavut, who left on ships and who Elders are trying to support themselves, boarded planes and were sent down take care of their homes, and pay the south returned, but a lot more never bills. When they have questions on their returned. Some of them were small concerns or on the payments they make, babies who never saw their parents again they try to make a phone call to the bank and never returned to . or the energy corporation or the stores, Even their bodies have never been but they are responded to in English only returned. and they can’t do anything about that. With that being the case, please keep our People ask: why do Inuit get angry so elders in mind when you answer the easily? Why is there so much pain? telephones. We can all have receptionists These are the many causes of pain. If we who speak Inuktitut. I’m urging all were another group of people, it would people who work in Nunavut, if you’re have been dealt with long ago. We as going to answer the telephones, please Inuit tend to just lie there and wait be able to speak Inuktitut. If you can’t patiently. speak Inuktitut, hand over the phone to an Inuktitut speaker. With the apology by the Prime Minister today, I have people from Rankin Inlet My elder says she is an indigenous in mind and my fellow Nunavummiut. I person and that’s true. She wrote a know all the people of Nunavut have touching letter. Sometimes I tend to been hurt because of this for many years. forget that when people respond in I hope that we begin to heal starting English on the phone and I respond in today. My fellow people from Rankin English likewise. However, let’s Inlet and the people of Nunavut who remember our elders and I urge our staff have been affected by this are in my everywhere that when they answer the thoughts today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. telephone, please keep that in mind. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >>Applause

>>Applause Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Members’ Statements. Let us proceed. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Returns to Oral Questions. Recognition Members’ Statements. Member for of Visitors in the Gallery. Member for

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Iqaluit-Niaqunnguu, Ms. Angnakak. when we became MLAs together, and I am also proud of you. Item 5: Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. Member for Aggu, Mr. Quassa. Ms. Angnakak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier during my Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, member’s statement I referenced Mr. Speaker. I, too, wish to recognize Alassua Hanson and as it happens, her her although she was already mother is in the gallery. I would like to acknowledged, Monica Ell. Please feel welcome Kathy Hanson. You are an welcome here. I also take great pride in excellent mother, which is why your her new role as the ICC Canada daughter is able to succeed so smoothly. president. I also am proud that she As mothers and fathers, we have to be continues to pursue her interests, as she able to empathize with our children. continues to show her dedication and Thank you, Mr. Speaker. diligence to fight for Inuit. Due to that reason, I am especially proud of that. >>Applause Further, I know that she will succeed in her work and will represent Inuit to the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. fullest of her capacity. She represents Welcome. Recognition of Visitors in the Inuit well and I am proud to have her as Gallery. Member for Rankin Inlet North- my representative. Whale Cove, Ms. Towtongie. Also, sitting next to her is Kathy, who I Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank also wish to welcome. Her daughter also you, Mr. Speaker. My maternal cousin is used to work here previously. She was someone I dearly love and whom I am quite energetic and we were also very close with. Some days can be very informed that she was recently across the dark as we live our daily lives, and we oceans outside of Nunavut. I am proud tend to take turns supporting each other of you and as we just heard, you were to resolve our problems. said to be a very good mother and I fully believe that. Please welcome both of We shared a grandmother who I spoke these ladies. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. about, Leonie Qavangat. She is my father’s sister’s daughter, and I am quite >>Applause proud of her work as she is working with ICC Canada, President Monica Ell- Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Kanayuk, my brother-in-law Eeneasie’s Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. wife, my maternal cousin. I love you. Member for Aivilik, Minister Netser. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): >>Applause Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I say “good morning” to everyone. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Welcome. Ms. Kanayuk-Ell, it seems a (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I very short time ago we were rookies would like to take this moment to

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She serves as the president and CEO of Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Colleges and Institutes Canada, the Welcome to you all. Recognition of organization that serves as the national Visitors in the Gallery. Member for voice of Canada’s publicly supported Iqaluit-Sinaa, Ms. Sheutiapik. colleges, institutes, Cégeps, and polytechniques in Canada. She is a Hon. Elisapee Sheutiapik passionate advocate for Canadian post- (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. secondary education and has been very Speaker. She was already recognized, instrumental in supporting the but as I stated earlier, it will be indigenization of higher education in International Women’s Day tomorrow. Canada. I am extremely proud right now that our Ms. Amyot works hard to support international leader for Inuit is present. I Nunavut Arctic College to access am proud of Monica. I know that when infrastructure funding for the Nunatta she is here, she was the Deputy Premier Campus expansion, the beautiful and she was the Minister of Qulliit. building we have today. I welcome Ms. Kathy Hanson has been a voice and she Amyot back to Nunavut, (interpretation) has been a past president of Qulliit. I and our Acting President of Nunavut would like to recognize both of them. Arctic College, Karsten Henriksen, and Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mariana Barney, who is the public affairs officer. They work very hard at >>Applause Arctic College. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Although she was already recognized Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery. I here, whenever I see her in person, I am have no more names on my list. People always seeing the resemblance to my who are visiting in the Nunavut House, mother and sometimes taken aback. If welcome to you all. Always be welcome you ever saw my mother, she had the at any time when we are in session. exactly same features. >>Applause >>Laughter Oral Questions. Member for Iqaluit- I would like to welcome her and another Niaqunnguu, Ms. Angnakak. person… . (interpretation ends) It has been a long three weeks. Item 6: Oral Questions

An Hon. Member: Boston fan. Question 412 – 5(2): Prime Minister’s Visit to Iqaluit for TB Apology Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): (Angnakak) She is a Boston fan. I would like to Ms. Angnakak (interpretation): Thank welcome her. Please be welcome. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends)

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Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I would like to associations to assist families in direct my question to the Premier. accessing the records and the histories of those who have passed away in the south Mr. Speaker, tuberculosis is a disease while being treated for tuberculosis? with a long and ugly history in this What funding is available to enable them territory. Its impacts on the lives of to go and visit their relatives’ final Nunavummiut are not forgotten. Many resting places? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. suffered from the disease as well as from the decisions made on their behalf in Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. how to treat it. Premier Savikataaq.

I understand that the Prime Minister is Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. coming to Iqaluit in order to offer an Speaker. I can’t speak to exactly what apology for the past mistreatments of our government does in terms of Inuit tuberculosis patients. Just for the working with the Inuit orgs to help find record, can the Premier confirm whether family members that never came back or not he was invited to attend the and were never found, but we fully apology? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. support the process and we will help in any way we can. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. , Premier Savikataaq. When you lose a loved one, whether it be your parents or your sisters or your Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. kids, you want to take them home. You Speaker. Yes, I will be attending the want to bury them and you want to have apology on behalf of all Nunavummiut. closure. That’s our society. We place Thank you, Mr. Speaker. people in the ground; we have burial services or whatever, a final act to put Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. our mind at ease and so we can close Your first supplementary, Ms. that chapter of our lives and get on with Angnakak. it.

Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. I fully support anything we can do to Speaker. Families are still suffering as help family members that have not they look for traces of their relatives. A located their loved ones. I believe NTI lot of my colleagues here spoke of this and Inuit orgs have been working on that today in the House this morning because and we support them in that process. their relatives were taken away after Thank you, Mr. Speaker. being diagnosed with tuberculosis. Many were sent away on the hospital ship, the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. C.D. Howe, and a lot never came home. Your final supplementary, Ms. They are still missed every day. Some Angnakak. families do not even know where their loved ones are buried. Ms. Angnakak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do appreciate your response. I Can the minister clarify how the hope that a mechanism of some kind can government works with regional Inuit be identified of how people can get

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additional help from the Government of students not attending school, food Nunavut to do this. insecurity, family violence, and just being stressed and health. All those Mr. Speaker, diseases such as issues are partially related to tuberculosis do not exist in isolation. In overcrowding in a house. fact the spread of such diseases is often facilitated by such social factors as I conveyed to him and explained to him overcrowded living situations, poor that if you want to tackle TB, which is nutrition, lack of economic one of the topics that they want to opportunities, and the like. emulate, then you have to tackle it as a whole. You can’t just target the TB I do recognize that the federal portion; you have to target the whole government has made specific financial process. I tried to convey that and commitments towards the eradication of explained to him as best as I could that tuberculosis and through the we have to tackle this as a whole. If you construction of more housing and labour want to tackle TB, well, you’ve got to go market development. However, efforts in to the root causes of it. I believe he these and other areas must be sustained understood that and it was a good for Nunavut to break free of the legacy meeting that I had with him. of its history. As to make sure that we don’t repeat that Can the Premier update this House on stuff that were done to the people of what issues he will be raising with the Nunavut in the past, I would hope that Prime Minister to ensure that historical the federal government and our mistakes are not repeated? Thank you, government have learned from mistakes Mr. Speaker. that were made in the past and we can turn the page and go on and come up Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. with a better system for dealing with Premier Savikataaq. stuff instead of just saying, “We are the government and this is how it’s done.” Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. We talk to the people and say, “Okay, Speaker. I met with the Prime Minister here’s the problem. How can we fix it?” last month and one of the topics or We work together. subjects I brought up was our lack of housing here in Nunavut. I told him that I think we have gone to the next step we’re so far behind in our [entire] now and we are way more inclined as infrastructure in Nunavut, but one of the the Government of Nunavut and as the main ones was housing. federal government to work with the people to get to the end results that we I told him that due to overcrowding in want. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. houses, there’s nothing good that comes out of an overcrowded house; there are a Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. lot of bad things. I explained to him that Oral Questions. Member for Kugluktuk, if you want to tackle anything, almost all Ms. Kamingoak. of those problems come down to an overcrowded house, whether they be

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Question 413 – 5(2): Support for that’s out there, a renewable resource Harvesters and Hunters and that’s out there for the people of Trappers Organizations Nunavut to benefit from. We are trying (Kamingoak) to make people more aware and trying to Ms. Kamingoak: Koana, Mr. Speaker. get people more into trapping and My questions today are for the Minister harvesting furs so they can benefit from of Environment. that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As the minister is aware, his department Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. administers a number of programs that Your first supplementary, Ms. provide support to harvesters and Kamingoak. wildlife co-management partners, including the Fur Assessment and Ms. Kamingoak: Koana, Mr. Speaker. I Advance Program and the Fall Incentive thank you for that response. The Program. Department of Environment provides core funding to Nunavut’s hunters and The department’s policies to administer trappers organizations. Earlier this these programs were last updated in May month the federal Canadian Economic of 2017, just under two years ago. Development Agency announced $216,000 in funding to help Nunavut Can the minister indicate the extent to hunters and trappers organizations to which these programs have been “update their governance systems” and adequate in meeting the needs of our “support the development of training Nunavut hunters? Koana, Mr. Speaker. material…to focus on accounting, human resources and governance.” Can Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. the minister describe the extent to which Minister of Environment, Minister his department will be involved in this Savikataaq. initiative? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Speaker. The programs that the member Minister Savikataaq. just talked about, all our programs are ongoing and being evaluated and making Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. sure they’re targeting the people we Speaker. The federal government want to benefit them. The Fall Incentive decided that that’s what they were going Program and the fur harvesters program, to do and I myself am not very familiar I believe, are working very well for the with exactly what they’re going to do. I people who use them. know they say they’re going to help them and train them, but through the What we’re engaging and trying to do secretariat we do provide money too and now is getting more people involved in training is provided through the Nunavut the fur industry so that they can take secretariat to all the HTO managers. I advantage of the programs we have. The imagine that they will just enhance the number of trappers in Nunavut has training that is available for the HTO slowly been declining and there are less managers right now. I’m not that and less trappers now. It’s a resource familiar exactly how this funding source

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2880 is going to flow, but I can foresee that it Question 414 – 5(2): Accessing would go through the secretariat and Federal Tuberculosis Funding down on to provide training for the HTO (Quassa) managers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This morning I would like Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. to direct my question to the Minister of Your final supplementary, Ms. Health on the issue we’re talking about Kamingoak. this morning. I’ll speak English as I was also taught to speak English. Ms. Kamingoak: Koana, Mr. Speaker. As we all know, the Nunavut (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I Association of Municipalities holds an would like to, again, as I said, direct my annual general meeting at which mayors question to the Minister of Health. from all of Nunavut’s communities can gather in one place to share concerns and Mr. Speaker, the federal government’s exchange ideas. Can the minister 2018-19 budget allocated $27.5 million indicate if support is provided to hold a over five years towards the eradication similar event for Nunavut’s hunters and of tuberculosis in Inuit Nunangat. trappers organizations? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the minister provide an update on exactly how much of that federal Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. funding has been provided to the Minister Savikataaq. Government of Nunavut to address tuberculosis activities during the current Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. fiscal year? (interpretation) Thank you, Speaker. If the request came from all the Mr. Speaker. HTOs and there was a need and a pressing issue that had to be discussed Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. and it was common between all of them, Minister of Health, Minister Hickes. I could see that and it’s done at times. For example, last fall when they had the Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Nunavut management Speaker. Today is a great day to bring meetings with the Nunavut Wildlife forward how the Government of Canada Management Board, there were two through ITK, or Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami, representatives from each HTO here in are working with Nunavut and Inuit Iqaluit for the meeting, so it does Nunangat regions to address TB. I happen. When there’s a Nunavut-wide appreciate the member’s question. It’s issue, the Department of Environment very appropriate for today with the pays for HTO representatives to come upcoming announcement from the Prime here and meet about what the topic may Minister. be at that time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to answer directly to the member’s Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. question, in 2018-19 there was just Oral Questions. Member for Aggu, Mr. under $1.6 million proposal that was Quassa. submitted to ITK and we received funding, I believe, of $1,583,000. Thank

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you, Mr. Speaker. explanation. We will expect that information once he has it. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Your first supplementary, Mr. Quassa. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, tuberculosis is a disease that has Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, devastated generations of Inuit and it Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) I still lies hidden in our population, recognize that for our government to threatening the health of future access the federal funding allocated for generations. I understand that there is a addressing tuberculosis in Inuit plan to work towards the elimination of Nunangat, proposals must be submitted. tuberculosis across Inuit Nunangat by the year 2030. Can the minister provide an update on how many proposals to address Can the minister provide an update on tuberculosis screening, treatment, what specific plans or proposals are prevention, and other tuberculosis being considered to access tuberculosis- initiatives were submitted for federal specific federal funding over the funding during the current fiscal year upcoming years? (interpretation) Thank and how many of them were approved? you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Hickes. Minister Hickes. Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I welcome the question from Speaker. I don’t have that level of detail, the member. To date, as members are although we do work, again, with our very well aware, it has been highly federal partners through our Territorial publicized as well as spoken in the Health Investment Fund, our Northern House here on doing community-wide Wellness Agreement, as well as screening. We started off in allocated monies from our own budget , went to Whale Cove, and line, including in this upcoming budget are currently in Cape Dorset, the largest where we have submitted a case for six community to date where we have specific TB positions to work within the initiated a community-wide screening territory. Unfortunately I just don’t have project. the exact number of proposals that were submitted. I would have to check on the We’re taking the analysis of that status of how many and what the status information to see what the impact of it of those proposals is. Thank you, Mr. is, how many cases are increased Speaker. treatment versus what percentage of the population is getting screened, and the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. impact. We’re analyzing that Your final supplementary, Mr. Quassa. information and when the Cape Dorset screening is complete, we will take a Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, look at all the impacts of what we have Mr. Speaker. I also thank you for that learned to date and that will help us

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move forward in our strategy of working Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. with our partners with Nunavut Minister of Environment, Minister Tunngavik Incorporated, Inuit Tapiriit Savikataaq. Kanatami, and the federal government through Indigenous Canada and Health Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. Canada and with members here. Speaker. The process would be if a community wants a territorial park We want to make sure that we’re within their vicinity, then they can write working together with all the partners to a letter to the Department of do what’s going to work. We don’t want Environment. The process would be to set things up for any further started to initiate all the work that has to challenges. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. be done, and a feasibility study is part of the process in order to get a park. The Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. community has to want a park and has to Oral Questions. Member for Netsilik, support that, and then we will start the Mr. Qirngnuq. process. It’s quite a lengthy process, but we will start the process to do it. Thank Question 415 – 5(2): Territorial Parks you, Mr. Speaker (Qirngnuq) Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. you, Mr. Speaker. I say “good morning” Your first supplementary, Mr. Qirngnuq. to my colleagues, our Premier, as well as my fellow residents of and the Mr. Qirngnuq: Thank you, Mr. residents of . Let’s have a good Speaker. In his recent statement the day. minister discussed the role of joint planning and management committees in Mr. Speaker, my question today is for establishing territorial parks. Can he the Minister of Environment. The clarify who nominates and appoints the reasoning behind this question relates to members of these committees? an earlier statement last week about the (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. establishment of territorial parks in our communities. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Savikataaq. (interpretation ends) In his statement the minister indicated that the first stage in Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. the process is to “assess if there is local Speaker. Some of the members would be support for an area of interest to become appointed by Environment. It is joint, so a territorial park.” Mr. Speaker, I some of them would be community understand from my discussions with the members. It’s a joint committee that local leaders in Taloyoak that there is an would decide what direction the park interest in the community. Can the would be going in. They first have to minister clarify how they start the have a joint management committee in process of work with the department to order to go to the next process to start begin the next step, which is a feasibility the process of that area becoming a park. study? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker.

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Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Question 416 – 5(2): Allowance Rates Your final supplementary, Mr. for Medical Travel Clients Qirngnuq. (Towtongie) Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct you, Mr. Speaker. I didn’t hear a direct my question to the Minister of Health. response to my question, but I look forward to asking more questions on On occasion Inuit who travel out of the that. territory to receive medical care do not stay in a boarding home and at times This is my final supplementary. they are placed in hotels. In these cases (interpretation ends) I understand and they are often provided with a daily meal recognize that the establishment of new allowance. (interpretation ends) Mr. territorial parks does not happen Speaker, the meal allowance benefit is overnight. Can the minister indicate included in the Non-Insured Health approximately how long the process is to Benefits program which is administered establish a new territorial park? by the federal First Nations and Inuit (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Health Branch and is provided to Inuit medical clients through our Department Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. of Health. Minister Savikataaq. Can the minister inform us: what is the Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. current rate for the daily meal allowance Speaker. The member is correct in provided to Nunavut Inuit on medical saying that the process is long. It’s not a travel? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. defined date; it depends on how quickly the process goes. The process is the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. same for each park, but the challenges, Minister of Health, Minister Hickes. obstacles, or stuff that we have to study that come up in the feasibility study Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. might take longer for it to become an Speaker. It depends on where the official territorial park. I can’t give a patients are staying. As an example, if time frame. We have some communities the patients are in Winnipeg in southern that have been working on their parks Canada, those rates are negotiated with for over five years now and they’re still the boarding homes with Health Canada not to the point where it is a park. I can’t and ourselves, and I believe the rate right give a firm commitment on how long it now for southern Canada is $42 a day. takes, but I can say it generally takes a Thank you, Mr. Speaker. while. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Your first supplementary, Ms. Oral Questions. Member for Rankin Towtongie. Inlet North-Chesterfield Inlet, Ms. Towtongie. Ms. Towtongie: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has been brought to my attention that the daily meal allowance

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2884 rate is different for First Nations clients allowance or a per meal allowance when compared to Inuit clients. I have depending upon when their been told that First Nations clients on appointments are and when their medical travel receive a daily meal departures are. That’s where the allowance of $25 while Inuit clients variations would come. I would have to receive $16.95. This is not a lot of confirm, but I don’t believe there is a money to buy your daily meals, difference in rates. It’s a southern especially when you are ill and a healthy Canada rate, but I would have to confirm diet is crucial. I appreciate that the that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. difference in rates may not be based on whether a client is First Nation or Inuit. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. It may be based on what region they Your final supplementary, Ms. come from. Towtongie.

Can the minister clarify how his Ms. Towtongie: Thank you, Mr. department works with the federal First Speaker. It is important that Nunavut Nations and Inuit Health Branch to Inuit have enough money to buy healthy negotiate benefits under the Non-Insured and adequate food while they are out of Health Benefits program for Inuit the territory to receive medical care. travelling from the Nunavut region for medical treatment? Thank you, Mr. In fact the NIHB Medical Transportation Speaker. Policy Framework was updated in 2017 as an interim measure. It was just an Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. interim measure to clarify existing Minister Hickes. policies in some areas. This is identified through joint review discussions to date. Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Further revisions to this policy Speaker. I’m not aware of any difference framework are anticipated. in rates. The member spoke to a $25 a day rate. That is a standard. After 21 However, my question to the minister is: days of being out of territory, it goes to will the minister commit to working with that rate. People are generally staying at his federal counterparts to negotiate an the boarding homes. If there is overflow increase in the daily meal allowance rate and they get moved to a hotel, they still provided to Inuit medical clients can access the food services from the travelling from the Nunavut region? boarding home, and if they do not wish Thank you, Mr. Speaker to have that, the food can be delivered to them. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Hickes. If they don’t want to take that opportunity, they are provided with a Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. meal allowance. The $16.95 rate that the Speaker. First just before I proceed with member quoted, if I recall correctly, that my response, I would like to clarify an is how much is provided for breakfast. earlier response. It’s not $46; it’s $48 a Depending upon how people are staying day outside of Nunavut for medical down there, they may receive a full day travel.

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Mr. Speaker, our negotiations with the understanding that the feasibility study federal government with Indigenous began in the fall of 2018. Services with regard to NIHB funding is ongoing right now. I don’t want to taint Mr. Speaker, can the minister confirm at any of those negotiations, but one of the what stage the study is presently at? issues that do come up is how much food Thank you, Mr. Speaker. allowances are. That would be a natural part of the negotiations that are Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. proceeding as I stand here today. Thank Minister of Community and Government you, Mr. Speaker. Services, Minister Kusugak.

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): Oral Questions. Member for Gjoa Good morning and thank you to my Haven, Mr. Akoak. colleague for his question. The issue of solid waste in Nunavut, I agree that it’s Question 417 – 5(2): Solid Waste being addressed at different levels, with Management (Akoak) some more urgent than others. His community is still a work in progress. I Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. don’t know exactly where it’s at right (interpretation) I say “good morning” to now, but I know that as we proceed the people from Gjoa Haven, especially forward, I can update him where it is. elders. Let’s provide support to all the Thank you, Mr. Speaker. elders. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. (interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I Your first supplementary, Mr. Akoak. realize this morning is not Friday, but I will be talking garbage. Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the minister commit to ensuring that >>Laughter the findings of the Gjoa Haven solid waste management feasibility study are Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the shared with the municipal council and Minister of Community and Government tabled in the Legislative Assembly? Services and they concern the issue solid Thank you, Mr. Speaker. waste management in Nunavut communities, including Gjoa Haven. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Kusugak. As the minister will recall, he informed the Legislative Assembly at its sitting on Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): May 28, 2018 that his department was Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Where the addressing solid waste management community is under a solid waste through a number of “funding bundles.” management feasibility study, most of the work is done with the hamlet lands Mr. Speaker, in July of 2018 his department as we work with both the department issued a request for administration and councils as they are proposals for a solid waste management the most familiar with their local feasibility study in Gjoa Haven. It is my landfills. They are usually well-versed in

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the repairs needed or changes required to then formulate a plan to repair, replace, make improvements. or fix any issues as that will be the only time we actually then make cost This also includes knowledge of the estimates for the work. surrounding area where the best landfill sites are located. We work with the We are currently just reviewing each site hamlets on these types of issues and it’s in this study to see what needs to be obvious that what we find out from the done. It is only after the study is done hamlet’s landfills will include the will the member’s question be answered. information coming out of this study. All As soon as we can answer his question, this information will be included, with we will inform the House. Thank you, updates added as projects are completed, Mr. Speaker. so the hamlet will get the landfill information for their community, Mr. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Speaker. Thank you. Oral Questions. Member for Arviat North-Whale Cove, Mr. Main. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Your final supplementary, Mr. Akoak. Question 418 – 5(2): Attendance Management in the Civil Service Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It (Main) is my understanding that federal funding Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, to help modernize Nunavut’s solid waste Mr. Speaker. I rise to direct my question management and infrastructure has been to the Minister of Finance, particularly provided under a number of programs, regarding human resources. including the Small Communities Fund and the Gas Tax Fund. Mr. Speaker, can Mr. Speaker, I live in the community of the minister provide an estimate of the Arviat, so I will use it as an example. total cost of modernizing solid waste There are many places to get management and infrastructure in our 25 employment in the community, which communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. includes the LHO, the Northern, and the hamlet. They have the most employees Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. locally, so I will use them as examples. Minister Kusugak. When their employees go to work, they have to punch their time into a clock. Hon. Lorne Kusugak (interpretation): They are required to punch-in their start Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are of work at 9:00 or 8:30. After they finish studying this landfill issue Nunavut-wide their work, they have to punch out their for a solid waste management system in time sheet. every community, to determine the extent to which we need to make repairs, However, within Arviat it seems there improvements, as well as planning a are discrepancies when you compare the future replacement, as each landfill site local bodies with our government has its own particular challenges. They offices. From what I understand, there is have to investigate minute details related no time clock requiring a punching in of to these landfill sites. It is only after the the start of your work or at the end, and study has been completed that we can there seems to be no way to determine if

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2887 the employees are late, if they are at offices that anecdotally have more home or sick. concerns than others. Smokers are also anecdotally a big issue that comes to my How does the Government of Nunavut attention, where people are in and out all keep its 3,500 employees accountable day long. We have negotiated work without this type of stamping a clock? I conditions with our unions and with our wonder if this would assist the civil service of what our expectations government as I am not sure if it would are. help. I want to first ask the minister why the government doesn’t have some sort A time clock may work in some offices; of punch clock system for employees. may not in others. A lot of staff, Thank you, Mr. Speaker. depending on what level they are at, are in and out of the office attending Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. different meetings, maybe meeting until Minister of Finance, Minister Hickes. noon somewhere and then going straight home. A time clock may not necessarily Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. work in all instances, but it is something Speaker. I appreciate the member’s that I’m aware of and we’re looking at question. Attendance management is different options. Thank you, Mr. obviously a very important part of Speaker. performance management when it comes to our civil service. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Your first supplementary, Mr. Main. I have said here in the House and I’ll say it again. Every member of our civil Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you service has a role to play. They’re Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) Thank serving all Nunavummiut, their friends, you, minister. In the minister’s response their neighbours, their family. We are I’m hearing that there is some interest. here working hard, especially the last As for the smoking issue, that’s a red few days with the hours we have been herring, Mr. Speaker. We will just put putting in on making sure that we’re that to the side for what it is; save it for here working for Nunavut and working another day, perhaps, like a butt that is for Nunavummiut. I think it’s very shoved into somebody’s pocket. important that every member of our civil service realizes that no matter what their >> Laughter role, they have a very important part to play in making sure that we’re fulfilling The issue at hand being attendance and our obligations and expectations. performance, this is something that if you look at the number or the size of the With regard to a time clock, I know it’s civil service, 3,500 employees, that is a something that we haven’t initiated, to large workforce. I still don’t understand my knowledge, anywhere. Maybe some why we don’t have this in place already. offices may have implemented It seems like a very basic thing. It seems something like that that I am not aware like a thing that almost all private sector of, but I have to say that I echo the employers have. The private sector is member’s concerns that there are some very good at controlling its costs and is

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very good at or maybe better than have done that in the past in previous government in general in terms of lives that I’ve had. controlling their compensation and benefits costs. I believe the most effective way is just simple performance management. If Now, I’m just curious: what is stopping you’re responsible for staff, if you’re a us from implementing this across the manager or a director, ADM, the levels government? Do time clocks in every of authority as they increase need to government office go against the Public make sure that their staff are made aware Service Act, or what is the barrier to of the expectations and that it is implementing this? (interpretation) communicated. If somebody is Thank you, Mr. Speaker. habitually late or leaving early or that time of thing, there are performance Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. management issues that do take place. Minister Hickes. There are fact-finding meetings. There is coaching. There are a number of steps Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. that are taken before disciplinary Speaker. Usually I am the curious one. measures are taken.

Mr. Speaker, there is not a barrier per se. Right now there is nothing stopping us, Like I explained a little bit earlier, there from my knowledge, on initiating time are different offices and different clocks. I think there are other methods routines in offices where time clocks that we are using that do have the benefit would work, where some it obviously of being more hands-on, I guess we will wouldn’t work for certain positions. I say. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. think the thing that is missing here is how important the managerial oversight, Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. making sure the employees are living up Your final supplementary, Mr. Main. to their expectations, and the employers are living up to our expectations. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) Thank We are working on some automated you, minister, for that response. I systems to track attendance. We are understand the issue of performance hoping to pilot it sometime this year. I management is important, yes, but the can assure the member that it is implementation of these automated something that we are aware of and I am attendance devices is just another tool in sure very much will get carried on with the performance management toolbox. the new Department of Human Resources. Thinking of issues that my constituents bring up to me: phones not being Just with regard to time clocks, I know answered, government employees there are different methods that are used observed gambling during working in the corporate world. You log in to hours and being outside of the office. I your computer in the morning and it should mention that we have so many tracks it. There are different ways of skilled and dedicated public service actually physically hitting the type. I employees. I feel that this would be,

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perhaps, an important tool in the Department of Family Services, seniors performance management toolbox. can apply for a fuel subsidy.

Will this be something on the table Can the minister clarify how information during collective bargaining with the on Nunavut seniors are collected, Nunavut Employees Union in terms of compiled, and coordinated to ensure that the position that the government is there is a comprehensive database of all putting forward? (interpretation) Thank seniors in the territory that can be used you, Mr. Speaker. to make sure that our elders are getting all the supports they are eligible for? Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister Hickes. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Hon. George Hickes: Thank you, Mr. Minister responsible for Seniors, Speaker. I don’t think this is a necessary Minister Savikataaq. part of negotiations. When we negotiate with the NEU or other union entities, Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. we’re establishing our expectations of a Speaker. All the data that is collected for work day. How the GN or how any of the Government of Nunavut is collected our agencies or Crown corporations by the bureau of statistics that we have enforce that is something that each in the member’s hometown there. Any individual department or organization statistics that is needed or wanted goes would have the ability to implement through there. That’s one method. something like this if they felt it was of Another method is to just get a survey value. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. out or get any kind of specific information we want. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Oral Questions. Member for One way specifically for elders that was Pangnirtung, Ms. Nakashuk. done, the previous government had put out a seniors’ handbook and it was quite Question 419 – 5(2): Government- well received. It was colourful; the fonts wide Supports for Seniors were really big so that all the seniors (Nakashuk) who may have reading glasses could see Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank them clearly. That handbook was very you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. I well received and it was very helpful. It would like to direct my question to the was all the contacts of senior services, I Minister responsible for the Seniors’ should call it, in each community and Advocate, who is the (interpretation where they could call to get information ends) Premier. for any information they want on any senior programs. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Speaker, the government has a Speaker. number of programs which provide different supports to seniors. Under the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Department of Community and Your final supplementary, Ms. Government Services, seniors are Nakashuk. exempt from property taxes. Under the

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Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank years of age, they have attained the age you, Mr. Speaker. Different of a senior. There are differences. The organizations such as Nunavut federal government sets the age for Tunngavik Incorporated, our northern seniors at 65 years. There are many airlines and even some local stores, have slight differences, but we as the different programs for seniors. In some Government of Nunavut use 60 years cases a resident has to be over 60 years old. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. old to be considered a senior while in other cases they have to be over 65 years Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. old, and in others 55 is considered a Your final supplementary, Ms. senior. Nakashuk.

Can the minister confirm that all Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank Government of Nunavut programs for you, Mr. Speaker. I also thank him for seniors use the same age criteria for explaining that. The final question which program eligibility and tell us what that I want to ask is based on his earlier age is? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. statement and it’s obvious that some organizations have different age limits Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. for eligible seniors. Minister Savikataaq. Why do the two levels of government Hon. Joe Savikataaq (interpretation): have different age limits? Programs Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, there are offered by each government have independent organizations that collect different ages, although it feels as if the this type of information such as the age age limits should be complementary, of elders or even at which age the especially when you look at the pension passengers qualify as elderly passengers. and elders’ subsidies. Each airline has discretion to set their own limits, much like the stores and Will the Minister responsible for Seniors Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated has a commit to compiling a comprehensive different one as that is their prerogative. database of seniors residing in Nunavut that can be shared by different We as the government, based on the departments to ensure that all seniors can information I have, set the senior age at receive all the program supports and 60 years old in Nunavut. This is the subsidies that they are eligible for? eligible age for the senior fuel subsidy of 60 and over. The programs usually list Can the government send a directive to 60 as the age when you become eligible their institutions to set an age limit that to benefit from the program. The is the same across the board? Perhaps if I government sets the age limit while were to say it this way: (interpretation some other bodies set it at 55. ends) will the Minister responsible for Seniors commit to compiling a The Nunavut Elders Committee comprehensive database of seniors represents all of Nunavut. I met with residing in Nunavut that can be shared them previously and they have made the by different departments to ensure that statement that once an Inuk reached 50 all seniors can receive all the program

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supports and subsidies that they are previously to the Minister of eligible for? (interpretation) Thank you, Environment, which is who it is directed Mr. Speaker. to.

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Speaker, my colleague enquired Minister Savikataaq. about seniors and the age limits. My subject again will revolve around Hon. Joe Savikataaq: Thank you, Mr. caribou and how we describe them. Speaker. As a government and all the departments, it is their duty to make sure We don’t share the same dialect, which I that seniors are aware of what programs, believe is the problem, as the people of subsidies, and help that they are eligible Baffin region and people of the Kivalliq for. I will make sure that the seniors do region don’t have the same terms when know what they’re entitled to. it comes to certain animals or descriptions. Here in the Baffin region, As for the age stuff, I think it’s all 60. If the only time we call a male caribou a not, then it should be uniform just to pangniq (bull caribou) is during the make it simpler for us, for the GN, if we summer season when the bull caribou have one age for the programs that are have a fully grown rack, as we don’t call administered by the Government of the males that term in the winter. We Nunavut. differentiate between winter and summer as we just call them males as they don’t We will look at maybe making another have antlers. seniors’ handbook out there with all the programs that are available for the When I had asked questions, the minister seniors here because, like I said earlier, stated that we can only harvest bull that handbook was very well received. caribou and some people in the Baffin I’ll look at maybe if we can come up region automatically understand that with another handbook like that for the they can only go after summer season seniors that’s more up to date and more bull caribou, so some hunters are now current. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. thinking they can only harvest the pre- rut bulls when they can hunt in the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. summertime. Oral Questions. Member for Uqqummiut, Mr. Keyootak. Can the minister clarify: based on his knowledge, at what age is the caribou Question 420 – 5(2): Defining a Male called a bull? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Caribou (Keyootak) >>Laughter Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good day to the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. people of Clyde River and Qikiqtarjuaq Minister of Environment, Minister who are watching and listening to the Savikataaq. proceedings, as well as my colleagues. Hon. Joe Savikataaq (interpretation): Mr. Speaker, I have asked this question Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Now, in our

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2892 dialect we call any male adult caribou a in the summertime. Thank you, Mr. bull caribou. Hopefully that is clear now. Speaker. Even with or without antlers, the male caribou are called bulls even if it is a Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. male on the cusp of becoming a bull or if Minister Savikataaq. it is an adult, and it doesn’t matter if it is summer or winter, antlerless or antlered. Hon. Joe Savikataaq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know it isn’t I can’t say exactly at what age a male funny Friday, but I smile when I hear my caribou would become a bull and when colleague speak about this matter. they become an adult bull caribou, but it is when the males are capable of >>Laughter impregnating cows and start fighting for them during the rut season, so when they Yes, I will get the information specific to become sexually mature. Elders have a the sex of the caribou that can be lot more knowledge on the provided using the minimum language differentiations. As a hunter, when I look of only male caribou can be harvested. If at a caribou, I can tell whether it’s a bull the caribou is a female, then they are not caribou or not. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. to harvest it. I believe hunters would know exactly the age when a male Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. caribou is a bull, but I’ll reiterate that Your first supplementary, Mr. Keyootak. only male caribou are allowed to be harvested on . Thank you, Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank Mr. Speaker. you, Mr. Speaker. As to the age of the caribou when it actually is a bull, it can’t Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. be identified here, Mr. Speaker. Your final supplementary, Mr. Keyootak. I wonder if this can be clearly relayed to the communities in a clear written Mr. Keyootak (interpretation): Thank format to each HTO and conservation you, Mr. Speaker. Indeed, although office so that they can provide this today isn’t Friday, the viewing audience written information to the hunters as to also state many times that the MLAs are what type of caribou can be harvested. always looking stern and overly serious. This would show young hunters what caribou to hunt since we don’t call them >>Laughter a bull caribou during the winter. It should state at which age the caribou can We hear that when we are on television, be harvested or at what age they can be members are always so serious and harvested. rarely crack any smiles. Sometimes on occasion we should laugh at ourselves At what stage of their growth can they and cut the tension away. be harvested so that people on Baffin Island will not think they can only >>Applause harvest in the summertime? Some people think they can only harvest them Mr. Speaker, if the minister will be

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putting together an information package, occurred in Baker Lake…for the will he send this information to the local equipment fleet to be brought back up to HTOs so that they can work with their full strength by end of the 2019 calendar local hunters to ensure they are aware of year? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. the requirements? Perhaps if it is sent to each HTO manager and copy it to the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. HTO boards, it would suffice. Thank Minister of Community and Government you, Mr. Speaker. Services, Minister Kusugak.

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. Minister Savikataaq. Speaker. He just read the little line of a document. I can’t understand exactly Hon. Joe Savikataaq (interpretation): what it is he’s asking me to clarify, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank my Speaker. Maybe I could get some colleague, Mr. Keyootak, for his clarification as to what he’s talking injection of humour that lit us up. about. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Although the subject matter is an intensely important matter, he Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. purposefully made it humorous and I Mr. Mikkungwak, please clarify. Mr. thank him for that. Mikkungwak.

Yes, when we are preparing the Mr. Mikkungwak: Thank you, Mr. document in question, it will be sent to Speaker. I thank the minister. As the the HTO boards using the Baffin dialect minister will recall, I made a statement to ensure that they know that only the earlier in our winter sitting concerning male caribou can be harvested, and we the recent fire in Baker Lake that will make it very clear that the harvested resulted in the destruction of a number caribou has to be a male. Thank you, Mr. of pieces of critical mobile equipment, Speaker. including sewage, garbage trucks, loaders, and a dozer. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Oral Questions. Member for Baker Lake, As the minister is aware, section 3(a) of Mr. Mikkungwak. his department’s Municipal Mobile Equipment Policy provides that “Major Question 421 – 5(2): Municipal Mobile maintenance and emergency Equipment Program requirements beyond the level of block (Mikkungwak) funding…may be dealt with on a case by Mr. Mikkungwak: Thank you, Mr. case basis through the Community and Speaker. My questions are for the Government Services Capital program.” Minister of Community and Government Can the minister clarify how this section Services. of the policy is being used to ensure that Baker Lake’s mobile equipment fleet Can the minister clarify how this section will be brought back up to full strength of the policy for mobile equipment by the end of the 2019 calendar year? fleet… ? As the minister is aware from Thank you, Mr. Speaker. my member’s statement, the fire that

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Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Baker Lake? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) Thank you for the clarification. Minister Kusugak. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Kusugak. Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the clarification. Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the concerns and Mr. Speaker, our department has been questions on this line item. Mr. Speaker, working very closely with the the Mobile Equipment Fund is municipality on this very urgent matter. distributed equally throughout all In fact we have expended quite a bit of municipalities. That happens just shortly funds to ensure that the mobile after it’s approved through this House, equipment needed was transported to the so that’s already earmarked for all those community. We continue to work with municipalities. the municipality. As I have stated before, this is not something that we can rectify Again, I just ask for a little bit of overnight. patience from my colleague. The fire happened when this session started and The investigation is continuing, there are we’re still in this session and we’re still insurance issues that have to be dealt trying to finalize exactly what kind of with. All that work still has to go on money we need to replace funds and before we can get down to finite details what kind of funding is going to be of how that mobile equipment will be allocated through the insurance policy. replaced through insurance and through Until we get those kinds of details in other means. Until we get to that stage, I terms of the cost of the equipment, can’t give you the detail that you’re availability of the equipment, and what looking for because we also are working kind of money is being covered through on getting that detail, Mr. Speaker. insurance policies and other policies, we Thank you. can’t get that kind of detail in terms of what we can and can’t do. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Your first supplementary, Mr. I know they’re very patient and I ask for Mikkungwak. a little more patience because it has only been a couple of weeks. We are working Mr. Mikkungwak: Thank you, Mr. with the municipality on trying to find Speaker. As I noted in my member’s out exactly what’s wrong and where can statement, the community has very much we get the funding because they need appreciated the support that it has this equipment for the community to stay received to date from the department and healthy at least in the mobile equipment other partners. Can the minister indicate and warehousing facilities and storage. if funding under the Municipal Mobile Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Equipment Policy or his department’s budget for small and minor capital Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. projects can also be used to fund the Your final supplementary, Mr. replacement of the mobile equipment Mikkungwak. garage that was destroyed by fire in

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Mr. Mikkungwak: Thank you, Mr. Committees on Bills and Other Matters. Speaker. I thank the minister for his Tabling of Documents. Minister of response. The Municipal Mobile Education, Minister Joanasie. Equipment Policy expires on May 31, 2020, just over a year from now. Can the Item 13: Tabling of Documents minister indicate what specific changes, if any, his department is looking to make Tabled Document 141 – 5(2): Letter to to the policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Chesterfield Inlet District Education Authority (Joanasie) Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. Minister Kusugak. Hon. David Joanasie (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am tabling Hon. Lorne Kusugak: Mr. Speaker, we the letter sent to the Chesterfield Inlet are looking at the policy. I think we have District Education Authority regarding discussed in this House on a number of the request for an extra teacher at the occasions where we may be able to Victor Sammurtok School. The letter make some changes and additions. was sent on October 23, 2018. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have heard constituents in this House talk about the need for more Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. funding into the Mobile Equipment Fund Tabling of Documents. Notices of because it lacks the ability of Motions. Notices of Motions for First communities to increase the amount of Reading of Bills. Motions. Member for mobile equipment they have and/or Arviat North-Whale Cove, Mr. Main. replace the existing ones. We have heard discussions where they need more Item 16: Motions funding to be able to build equipment shelters with this fund. Motion 029 – 5(2): Extension of Review Period for Bill 1, We’re looking at all those options and Corrections Act (Main) I’m hoping that I will be able to share that information at an opportune time, Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, but those are some of the things that Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) I will we’re looking at when we’re talking be moving this motion for the extension about making additions or improvements of the review period for Bill 1, to this Mobile Equipment Fund Policy. Corrections Act. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. WHEREAS Bill 1, Corrections Act, Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. received second reading on March 20, My colleagues, please note that the time 2018; for question period has expired and we will proceed with the orders of the day. AND WHEREAS the bill has been Written Questions. Returns to Written referred to the Standing Committee on Questions. Replies to Opening Address. Legislation for consideration; Petitions. Responses to Petitions. Reports of Standing and Special AND WHEREAS Rule 68(1) provides

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2896 that bills referred to a standing The standing committee has been giving committee shall not be proceeded with the bill detailed consideration and is until the Assembly receives the report of engaged in an ongoing dialogue with the the committee or 120 calendar days pass minister concerning areas where the bill from the day the bill was given second would benefit from amendment. reading; This dialogue has resulted in progress, AND WHEREAS the standing and I am hopeful that the standing committee has been giving careful committee will be in a position to consideration to the bill; provide a detailed report to the House during our spring sitting concerning AND WHEREAS the standing amendments made to the bill. committee requires additional time in which to complete its work; At this time we are still working to reach a consensus in respect to some matters, NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded which is why I ask all members to by the Hon. Member for Rankin Inlet support the motion that is before us North-Chesterfield Inlet, that the period today. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. of time for the standing committee to Speaker. report Bill 1 back to the House be extended by a further 120 days. Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. To the motion. All those in favour of the (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. motion, please raise your hand. All those opposed. The motion is carried. Thank Speaker (interpretation): The motion is you. in order. To the motion. Mr. Main. Motions. Member for Arviat North- Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Whale Cove, Mr. Main. Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) As the mover of the motion and the Chair of the Motion 030 – 5(2): Extension of Standing Committee on Legislation, I Review Period for Bill 8, An Act to am pleased to take this opportunity to Amend the Workers’ speak briefly in support of the motion Compensation Act (Main) that is before the House today. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, as I noted in my motion, Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) I’ll be Bill 1, the proposed new Corrections moving this motion with regard to the Act, was referred to the Standing extension of the review period for Bill 8, Committee on Legislation for An Act to Amend the Workers’ consideration following its second Compensation Act. reading. WHEREAS Bill 8, An Act to Amend the This is an important and complex piece Workers’ Compensation Act, received of new legislation that should not be second reading on October 25, 2018; rushed into law. AND WHEREAS the bill has been

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2897 referred to the Standing Committee on As the House is aware, the Workers’ Legislation for consideration; Safety and Compensation Commission is shared between Nunavut and the AND WHEREAS Rule 68(1) provides Northwest Territories. Both governments that bills referred to a standing share responsibility for appointing committee shall not be proceeded with members to the WSCC’s Governance until the Assembly receives the report of Council and both territories have pieces the committee or 120 calendar days pass of legislation in place, the Workers’ from the day the bill was given second Compensation Act, which are reading; substantively the same.

AND WHEREAS the standing Mr. Speaker, the Legislative Assembly committee has been giving careful of the Northwest Territories is presently consideration to the bill; considering a parallel bill to the one that is before our House. Last week the AND WHEREAS the standing members of the Northwest Territories committee requires additional time in legislature passed a similar extension which to complete its work; motion in respect to their bill.

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded Mr. Speaker, it is important that both by the Hon. Member for Rankin Inlet bills be harmonized to the greatest North-Chesterfield Inlet, that the period possible extent, and both standing of time for the standing committee to committees have been in contact with report Bill 8 back to the House be each other during this process. extended by a further 120 days. Mr. Speaker, I am hopeful that both (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. standing committees will be ready to report the bills back to our respective Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. To Houses during our upcoming spring the motion. Mr. Main. sittings, and I ask all members to support the motion that is before us today. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker. (interpretation ends) As the mover of the motion and the Chair of the Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. To Standing Committee on Legislation, I the motion. All those in favour of the am pleased to take this opportunity to motion, please raise your hand. Thank speak very briefly in support of the you. All those opposed. The motion is motion that is before the House today. carried.

Mr. Speaker, as I noted in my motion, Motions. First Reading of Bills. Second Bill 8, An Act to Amend the Workers’ Reading of Bills. Consideration in Compensation Act, was referred to the Committee of the Whole of Bills and Standing Committee on Legislation for Other Matters. Bills 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, consideration following its second 20, and 21 with Mr. Mikkungwak in the reading. Chair.

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In accordance with the authority Bill 15 – Appropriation (Operations & provided to me by Motion 17 – 5(2), the Maintenance) Act, 2019-2020 – committee will stay in session until it Nunavut Arctic College – reports itself out. Consideration in Committee

Before we proceed to the Committee of Chairman (interpretation): Thank you the Whole, we will break for lunch and very much. (interpretation ends) I would return at 1:30 p.m. like to ask Minister Netser: do you have officials that you would like to appear Sergeant-at-Arms. before the committee? Minister Netser.

>>House recessed at 12:03 and Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. Committee resumed at 13:31 Chairman. I most definitely would. (interpretation) Thank you. Item 19: Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Matters very much. Does the committee agree to let the minister’s officials go to the Chairman (Mr. Mikkungwak) witness table? Agreed? (interpretation): Good day, people of Baker Lake and Nunavut. Some Members: Agreed.

I would like to call the committee Chairman (interpretation): Thank you meeting to order. In Committee of the very much. Sergeant-at-Arms, please Whole we have the following items to escort the minister’s officials in. deal with: Bills 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 20, and 21. What is the wish of the Thank you very much. For the record, committee? Mr. Main. Minister Netser, please introduce your officials and then proceed with your Mr. Main (interpretation): Please wait a opening comments. Minister Netser. moment, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We wish to Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my right continue with the review of Bill 15 and is our vice-president, Karsten Henriksen, the 2019-2020 Main Estimates for and to my left is Rebecca Mearns, Nunavut Arctic College, followed by the (interpretation ends) Dean of Education departments of Culture and Heritage and on Inuit and University Studies. Finance, but there might be a change in (interpretation) I thank them for being the order in which they are dealt with, able to be here. Mr. Chairman. Thank you. (interpretation ends) Mr. Chairman, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you (interpretation) I am pleased to present very much. Does the committee agree to the members Nunavut Arctic that we first deal with Bill 15? Agreed? College’s 2019-2020 main estimates and business plan. Some Members: Agreed.

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(interpretation ends) Nunavut Arctic Arctic College’s fundraising efforts. College maintains the operations laid out in the business plan with a budget that is Mr. Chairman, as we are all aware, made up of a base contribution from the financial resources are at a premium in Government of Nunavut, third party the territory. In order to further improve funding contracts, and revenue from fee services without presenting additional sources such as tuition. To that end, fiscal hardship for the government, the Nunavut Arctic College’s total main college recently began discussions with estimates for base funding from the the Department of Finance on ways the Government of Nunavut for the 2019- college can diversify its revenue sources. 2020 fiscal year is $38,695,000. This is One critically underused area is an increase over the previous fiscal year donations from industry and the private of approximately $561,000. sector. To that end, college staff are reviewing the policies and processes that The bulk of this increase in funds will go will enable this type of fundraising with toward the creation of a marketing, the goal of accepting donations in the communications and recruitment team 2019-2020 fiscal year. This effort will dedicated to connecting prospective largely be led by the Nunavut Arctic learners with the program and courses College Board of Governors as they offered at the college. We have heard represent Nunavut Arctic College within concerns raised by members and from each of the regions. the public as to how the college markets and communicates its programs to the Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to note that public. However, until the creation of I met with the Nunavut Arctic College this team, the college staff have had to Board of Governors during their first rely on a single public affairs officer to meeting in Iqaluit in early January. I manage all external communications, as expressed my support for their work and well as oversee the creation of college my hopes to further empower the board promotional materials. Furthermore, in their duties and responsibilities of program instructors have had to do what providing administrative oversight to the recruitment they can in addition to their college. I have also met with faculty and teaching responsibilities. The marketing, learners in Iqaluit and Rankin Inlet, and I communications and recruitment team will be travelling to Cambridge Bay to will take on all of these responsibilities meet with college officials in the month and will include a manager, a of May. promotional materials specialist, and two strategic recruitment coordinators. The Mr. Chairman, the board of governors is goals of this team will be setting and now engaged in the preparation of a ten- helping to meet enrolment targets for year strategic plan. This plan will chart college programs, conducting market the long-term direction of the college. research on post-secondary trends both This strategic plan is intended to work in within and outside the territory, conjunction with the college’s recent providing additional information on announcement of the partnership with resources available to current and Memorial University of Newfoundland. prospective learners, and communicating Through this partnership, the college with prospective donors about Nunavut will leverage the resources of a larger

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2900 institution to expand the suite of post- base contribution from the Government secondary options available to of Nunavut, third party funding, and Nunavummiut in their home territory revenue from other sources, such as and provide greater support to the tuition fees. The GN’s proposed college’s learners and faculty. A team contribution to Nunavut Arctic College from Nunavut Arctic College is in the for 2019-2020 is approximately $38.7 process of negotiating this memorandum million. The standing committee notes of understanding, or MOU, between the that the college’s overall budget for two institutions and the final agreement 2019-2020 is projected to be close to will be reviewed by the board of $58 million. The standing committee governors and cabinet. encourages the college’s board of governors in their efforts to identify Finally, Mr. Chairman, I wish at this additional funding opportunities for the time to raise one last point. Since upcoming fiscal year. October of 2014, less than five years ago, the college has had three different Mr. Chairman, the standing committee ministers, five different presidents, and a notes that the college’s board of high level of turnover at the top of the governors currently has a number of institution has made it difficult for vacant seats and encourages interested forward momentum for the college. I am individuals to put their names forward. eager and committed to demonstrate Nunavut Arctic College plays an considerable institutional growth at the important role in training and education college within the remaining mandate of for Nunavut’s professional and trades this government. occupations, as well as offering opportunities for individuals looking to Mr. Chairman, this concludes my improve their skills and employment opening comments and at this time my potential. staff and I will be pleased to answer questions members may have. Thank Mr. Chairman, standing committee you, Mr. Chairman. members strongly encourage college officials to work closely with their Chairman (interpretation): Thank you counterparts in the Department of very much. Does the chair of the Education to ensure that high school standing committee have any opening students are more aware and better comments? Ms. Nakashuk. prepared to undertake post-secondary education. Strengthening the ability of Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank learners to transition from high school to you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon. As college will be critical to improving the chair of the standing committee, I am success rates in both academic and pleased to make opening comments as trades-related fields. we begin deliberations on the government’s proposed 2019-2020 Members are pleased to note that budget allocation for Arctic College. Nunavut Arctic College will be entering a college-university partnership with (interpretation ends) Mr. Chairman, the Memorial University in the upcoming college’s total budget is made up of a fiscal year and look forward to receiving

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2901 updates on programming and course Chairman (interpretation): Thank you offerings that may be added or enhanced very much. Before we begin, I would as a result of the new memorandum of like to recognize sisters sitting in the understanding between the two entities, Visitors’ Gallery, Rosemary and Mona. as well as any new initiatives that will Welcome. They are sisters. ensure that nationally accepted academic standards are being set and met. >>Applause

Mr. Chairman, currently Nunavut Arctic Thank you very much. (interpretation College offers degree programs in the ends) Do members have any general areas of education, nursing, and law in comments before we proceed to detailed partnership with different degree- questions? Mr. Main. granting institutions. While members appreciate that a requirement for Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, graduates from these programs to remain Mr. Chairman. Welcome, minister and and work in Nunavut may not be your officials. I would like to welcome enforceable, the standing committee your new official. encourages the minister and college officials to explore different options to Very briefly, with respect to the need to provide incentives for graduates to stay have mine training in Nunavut, we did in Nunavut and to continue to work in touch upon the subject yesterday. We are their field of study. not up to par right now and we have to set up a sector council in Nunavut. For Mr. Chairman, it is important that example, there’s the training consortium Nunavut Arctic College work closely here and I believe that Arctic College with communities to assess local needs already has a lot of work to do to catch and requests for program delivery at the up with the opportunities in Nunavut. community learning centres. Further, the standing committee encourages the Secondly, (interpretation ends) I think college in its efforts to involve more there needs to be a serious focus on the elders in local program delivery. It has community learning centres across been noted that in some communities Nunavut. In many cases the community concerns have been raised with respect learning centres have not grown, they to the status of facilities where haven’t had any extra classrooms added, community learning programs are and we have gone through a phase of delivered. The standing committee looks investment in the regional campuses, for forward to receiving a comprehensive example, the new one here in Iqaluit. update on the status of community I’m not saying that regional campuses learning centres across all 25 of the are not important, but I think we need to territory’s communities. shift towards investing at the community level and that includes programming. Mr. Chairman, that concludes my I’m not just talking about the buildings opening remarks. Individual members themselves. may have questions and comments as we proceed. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If you just look at the number of social assistance recipients, it says a lot about

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where we could be making an impact in minister was not able to provide a the non-regional centre communities response to and had indicated that the where people desperately need education standing committee would receive the in order to find employment. information at a later date. I just wanted (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. to express my frustration on the lack of Chairman. receiving that information. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. General comments? Ms. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Towtongie. very much. General comments? (interpretation ends) I have no more Ms. Towtongie (interpretation): Thank names for general comments. We will you, Mr. Chairman. My older sister now proceed to the page-by-page review Rosemary Sandy and my younger sister of the departmental estimates, starting on Mona, thank you for recognizing them. page N-3. We will start the departmentals on O-I-2. O-I-2. Nunavut I am very pleased that the minister went Arctic College. Headquarters. Mr. to the larger communities and also to Rumbolt. Cambridge Bay. I also wish to remind the minister that it has been a long time Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. since communities like Chesterfield Inlet Chairman, and good afternoon. Before I were visited by the minister. I was told start, Mr. Chairman, yesterday at the end while I was hosting a radio phone-in of the day I complained that we were out show that they extend their welcome to of tea. I would like the Minister of you. The individual who works at the Community and Government Services community learning centre is doing a lot for having tea delivered to me today. I’ll of teaching, all the way from reading. be okay for today. That learning centre is overcrowded. I would like to welcome the minister to >>Laughter focus on and to visit the smaller communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a few quick questions and it’s regarding my own community. I have Chairman (interpretation): Thank you brought up in the House about the issues very much. (interpretation ends) General that they’re having in our community comments? Mr. Lightstone. with the community learning centre. I’ll start off with asking: what courses are Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. currently being offered in the Chairman. Good afternoon. I just wanted community learning centre in to start off by saying, although I did ? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. appreciate the minister’s opening comments, I’m a little disappointed that Chairman (interpretation): Thank you the requested information hasn’t been very much. Minister responsible for provided to the standing committee. Arctic College, Minister Netser. During the standing committee meetings, we asked a lot of specific and Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): detailed information, much of which the Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I don’t really

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2903 deal with the courses being offered in before school starts. The NTEP program Sanikiluaq, but perhaps the official on is currently being delivered in my right can answer the question. Thank Sanikiluaq. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Rumbolt. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Mr. Henriksen. Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you. I think the minister wants to clarify something, Mr. Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, please. Chairman. Nunavut Arctic College is about to launch a 2019-2020 program Chairman (interpretation): Thank you guide that will highlight all programs in very much. Minister Netser. all communities. Staff have had a concerted effort this year to increase Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): access and breadth of the programming Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This spring across the territory, particularly at the and June NTEP students will be community level. More information is graduating. I’m sure our fellow member forthcoming, but there will be a formal will be there when they’re graduating announcement and the release of a from that program. Thank you, Mr. course calendar for March 31 or April 1 Chairman. of this year. We will make sure that that is communicated to all members as well Chairman (interpretation): Thank you as members of the public. Thank you, very much. Mr. Rumbolt. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman. I am aware of the graduating very much. Mr. Rumbolt. class of this year. Aside from the NTEP program, I think the college has a PY Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. and a half. I think it is one part time and Chairman. As I stated earlier, the college one full time at the college. When they is currently operating out of the Nuiyak move back to the one-room school, will School and they have use of a couple of they maintain these 1.5 jobs or will the classrooms there. It’s my understanding half-time job be eliminated? Thank you, they may have to move back to their old Mr. Chairman. location, which was a one-room school. Does the college have everything in Chairman (interpretation) Thank you place so that classes will begin in very much. Minister Netser. September without any interruptions? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Patterk Netser: We intend to use both of the employees we have at Arctic Chairman (interpretation): Thank you College, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation) very much. Minister Netser. Thank you.

Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’m told that very much. Mr. Rumbolt. yes, everything will be ready this fall

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Mr. Rumbolt: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I didn’t hear the minister’s response; his voice was very low over Chairman (interpretation): Thank you the system. If he could repeat his very much. Minister Netser. answer, please. Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Minister Netser. Chairman. My acting president wants to answer that question. (interpretation) Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): If Thank you, Mr. Chairman. he thought I was speaking too quietly, I can speak louder, Mr. Chairman. The Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. employees down in Sanikiluaq will continue once school starts in the fall. Mr. Henriksen: Thank you Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I don’t have that information accurately in front of me in terms of the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you exact number. What I will say is the very much. (interpretation ends) We are college has approximately 35 percent on page O-I-2. Nunavut Arctic College. vacancy rate. We have invested in Headquarters. Mr. Main. building our HR team, as I said last year at this committee, with the goal of Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you decreasing the number of vacancies that Mr. Chairman. Perhaps I’ll start with we have. Ultimately the more staff that employees. If you look at the employees we have working in either term or at Arctic College, I’m wondering how indeterminate positions the stronger we many casuals they have in the college are as an institution and are in a better system. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. position to meet the needs of Nunavummiut. Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman. very much. Minister Netser. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): very much. Mr. Main. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have quite a few casuals and term employees. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, We can’t respond to his question at this Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) This time, but we will get back to the member issue of casuals is coming up from once we have the information. Thank department to department, so it is you, Mr. Chairman. something I think the members will be following in terms of particularly, I Chairman (interpretation): Thank you guess, long-term casuals. That’s a very much. Mr. Main. comment.

Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you In terms of this new dean position that Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Just was created in Arviat, I am happy that to clarify, the college currently does not the college is investing in that office, but know how many casuals they are what is the role of that dean? It is a new employing right now. (interpretation) kind of focus or a new position.

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(interpretation) Thank you, Mr. excellence. Another portfolio that the Chairman. dean has is the community learning campus portfolios of the CLCs. The Chairman (interpretation): Thank you dean there is responsible for program very much. Minister Netser. delivery of the program delivery team of every CLC in the territory, as well as the Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): continuing education team at the Thank you Mr. Chairman. (interpretation institution. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. ends) Going back to the member’s questions on casuals, before I turn it over Chairman (interpretation): Thank you to my right here, I met with the staff in very much. Mr. Main. Rankin Inlet and one of the issues that they raised with me was that the Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, instructors that they have on term Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) contracts were concerned. That’s good to hear. I hope that the creation of this position will improve It’s a two-year term contract and I see what’s being offered at the CLCs across that as casual as well because, when Nunavut. As I mentioned in my you’re on a term contract, you want comments, I think it’s an area that needs something consistent. They have futures attention and not just in Arviat and as well, the instructors that we have, and Whale Cove; across the whole territory. they’re very valuable to Nunavummiut. At the end of the day they make If we look at the number of social graduates that will eventually take over assistance recipients here, Arviat, 1,150; these programs. One of the things that I Igloolik, 1,265; Gjoa Haven, 930; I see committed to do was to have some of these numbers, I see a desperate need for those instructors in indeterminate more education for recipients. I’m positions until we can start producing interested: how does the college work graduates that can start teaching these with Family Services in terms of programs that we have. coordinating their programs for courses like adult basic education? As for the question, I would like, (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. through you, Mr. Chairman, my assistant Chairman. to answer the question. (interpretation) Thank you. Chairman (Mr. Rumbolt): Thank you, Mr. Main. Minister Netser. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. The dean based in Arviat is (interpretation ends) I think this is a responsible for a number of portfolios as great day to be alive in terms of the a dean at a public post-secondary opportunities that these young people institution would be. That dean’s have these days because, when I was portfolios include the creation of a centre young, there were hardly any for academic excellence, highlighting opportunities like they have now. Arctic the institution’s focus on academic College is there to train people in our

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2906 programs. “Here are the upcoming courses that you can register, and here is the application For further elaboration, I would like Mr. form”? What I’m trying to get at is a Karsten to elaborate on that a bit more. seamless delivery and funnelling people (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. towards these programs. (interpretation) Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you, Minister Netser. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Mr. Henriksen. Minister Netser.

Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Chairman. At an operational level, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. planning for delivery at community (interpretation ends) To that question, I learning centres happens in collaboration would like to ask, through you, for my with the adult educators. The team of assistant to answer the question. academic leaders at the institution, (interpretation) Thank you. including deans, as well as an ongoing engagement at a community level and Chairman: Thank you, Minister Netser. that is reflected in annualized planning. Mr. Henriksen.

Staff over the course of this last year Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. have spent a lot of time building Chairman. Our hope is that this capacity to plan so we can ensure that Assembly approves the increase in our Nunavummiut are aware of what is operational budget to allow for the coming up at the local community creation of the marketing, learning centre, what is coming up in the communications and recruitment team. territory, and we can have greater access Currently marketing and recruitment of to information so people can plan their learners and programs happens either by lives. individual faculty members or programs or it is managed by our single public In terms of our collaboration with the affairs officer for Nunavut. Department of Family Services, there are ongoing dialogues on a regular basis to If we can imagine, Nunavut Arctic ensure that we’re collaborating and College serves the largest post- coordinating as best as possible. Thank secondary service region in the country you, Mr. Chairman. and one of the largest in the world and we have one public affairs officer Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Henriksen. managing that communication. The Mr. Main. intention is if the Assembly approves the increase in our budget and we can build Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, this team, they will communicate on an Mr. Chairman. Thank you, minister and ongoing basis with not only the K to 12 your official. (interpretation ends) When system but also the local family services the Family Services office is sitting there staff. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. with income support recipients, do they have a list or will they be given a list of Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Henriksen.

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Mr. Main. Transportation on training and education. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Chairman: Thank you, Minister Netser. When I look at the lines of business that Mr. Main. the college has with the different areas of training, this is on page 9 of your Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, business plan, education, health and Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) In wellness, trades and technology, terms of the job market and how it’s business careers, Inuit language and factored into what programs go where, I culture, the different lines and the would like to understand what the different amounts that are being invested process is there. (interpretation) Thank in each line, how much of these you, Mr. Chairman. decisions and these amounts is tied to the job market in terms of the available... Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. ? Minister Netser.

I’ll use teaching for an example. We Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): know there are a lot of job opportunities Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The official within teaching. We also know there are to my left would like to respond to that, a lot of job opportunities within mining Mr. Chairman, if you will allow her, Ms. right now. How much of the decision- Mearns. making in terms of what program is being offered in each community is Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Mearns, driven by the job market? I know that please go ahead. there’s a ten-year strategy that’s being worked on right now and you’re going to Ms. Mearns (interpretation): Thank you, finalize it. (interpretation) When you’re Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Part considering the jobs, I would like to of the process that we conduct for know how it is connected to the job identifying programming within our market. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. communities is through community needs assessments that are conducted Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. through our community learning centres. Minister Netser. As we’re moving forward in improving Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): how we do these needs assessments, one Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are is expanding the programs that we have working hard on the Teacher Education available but also looking at how that Program. It’s very important and we ties to labour market needs based on the have to protect the Inuktitut language via community wants and needs and in programs we offer in education. In mine comparison to the labour market needs training with mines up and running, as well. It’s something that we’re there isn’t much in Nunavut and we keeping aware of and it’s something that would like to work with the mining we’re working more or so into our needs companies. I’m working with the assessments. (interpretation) Thank you, Minister of Economic Development and Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman: Thank you, Ms. Mearns. years we don’t. We can’t force the Please, if you could slow down when student to learn this specific trade. you’re speaking for the help of the (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. interpreters. Chairman.

Mr. Main, you have another question? Chairman: Thank you, Minister Netser. Please go ahead. Mr. Main.

Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I’m Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) In looking at the program delivery terms of the barriers that are getting in summary that you have on page 27 of the way of graduating more, I your business plan where it talks to understand that we don’t require people Nunavut teacher education, it talks to to go into any career, but we all know nursing programs, and then the trades that we need more teachers and we need programs. more nurses. It’s affecting the education of our children; it’s affecting the health I guess I’ll just focus on the nursing and of our communities, the lack of these the teaching. These are two positions positions. that we know we need more nurses and teachers. What is stopping us from What is it? Do we need to put more turning out more of them? Right now I money into these line items? Would that believe the numbers that people are help, or is it that we don’t have enough graduating is barely keeping up with the students who are qualified to walk out of numbers of people retiring. What is grade 12 and go into these programs? stopping us from educating more of What are the barriers? What is getting in them in terms of barriers? the way of producing more? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Minister Netser. Minister Netser.

Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) We offer the (interpretation ends) Thank you for the nursing programs and the NTEP question. I think one of the barriers that program in our college, but it’s up to the have been brought to my attention is that individual which program he or she some of the students who have applied, wants to attend. We cannot tell this the housing shortage for our learners is person, “I want you to go to our college one of the reasons why, perhaps, we are so you can become a nurse” or “I want not producing like we want to. Nunavut to ask you to become a teacher.” We Arctic College, whoever attends our give that choice to the student that wants college, at the end of his or her term, she to apply and it depends on… . Some or he is employable across the nation. years we have more applicants and some Certainly we would like to see a lot more

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2909 of that. That’s one of the barriers. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Henriksen. Student accommodation is one of the big Mr. Main. issues that we are facing. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I’m Chairman: Thank you, Minister Netser. assuming that money is the issue there. Mr. Main. If you wanted to deliver it outside of a regional centre, you need more money. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Right now we’re training lawyers here in Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Iqaluit roughly at the cost of $200,000 Thank you, minister. If you look at something per student over the life of teacher education, that’s currently being that program. In terms of financial offered in Arviat. Has the Nursing issues, I’m trying to get through my Program ever been offered outside of a questions here, Mr. Chairman. regional centre? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In terms of the partnership that you have with Memorial University, there are Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. going to be degree programs. Is there a Minister Netser. cap on the amount per student that the college will pay to have programs Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): delivered? I’ll use that example, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’m not really $200,000, probably closer to $300,000 aware of where else the program should per student. Is there a cap or any be offered in the communities. If Mr. guidelines to determine yes, we can do it Henriksen can respond to the question, I here in Iqaluit or we should be sending would appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. our students south to an institution Chairman. because we don’t have enough economy of scale here? (interpretation) Thank Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Chairman. When we deliver specialized Minister Netser. programming such as nursing, that program requires access to resources Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): such as simulator labs and nursing labs Thank you, Mr. Chairman. that are costly to develop, similar to our (interpretation ends) The college is very trades programs. There are regulatory excited to be able to work with the requirements in terms of the university. I think it’s very exciting to do instructional space and we have to meet that. In terms of the question, that will those needs in order to deliver a open up doors for other programs too as recognized program. There are some well and partnering with a university is instances, such as nursing, where really good for the college in terms of program delivery will have to happen in producing more learners. one particular centre. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As for the question, I would like Mr. Karsten to elaborate more on that.

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(interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Chairman. Minister Netser.

Chairman: Thank you, Minister Netser. Hon. Patterk Netser: I missed out some Mr. Henriksen. of the question. Could he repeat them? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First off, I’m assuming Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Main, could they’re watching us; a delegation from you please repeat your question? Memorial University is actually on the Nunatta Campus at this very moment as Mr. Main: Is the college in support of part of our ongoing negotiations. The the creation of a Nunavut mine training ten-year intergenerational partnership society and would the college allow that agreement that we’re developing with society to take the lead in mine training Memorial University not only speaks to in the territory if it’s created? the development of new programs but (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. also capacity at the institution. We’re Chairman. very excited to be negotiating that contract, but as the contract is still under Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. negotiation or the MOU is still under Minister Netser. negotiation, we’re not free to discuss the details at this time. Thank you, Mr. Hon. Patterk Netser: Itsivautaaq, we’re Chairman. looking at that model right now, but as for creating a society, we’re not coming Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Henriksen. into that at the moment. (interpretation) Mr. Main. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Chairman: Thank you, Minister Netser. Mr. Chairman. I wasn’t aware that it’s Mr. Main. under negotiation. (interpretation ends) Right now in your priorities under Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Trades and Technology, that’s where Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) It’s mining would fall, I look at the priorities something that’s needed in the territory for this year and I don’t see any…I mean and, as I mentioned, the college has lots there’s pre-apprenticeship cook. For this to do already. On page 15 of your year and then the next year it talks about business plan it says, “Explore funding formal sector advisory groups. I know options for Fisheries and Marine that ED&T is working towards creating Training programs.” Does that mean that a Nunavut mine training society which the college is trying to take over these would take on a lot of that work. Is the from the consortium that’s handling college in support of that work in terms those types of training right now? of letting that body, if it is formed, take (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. the lead in coordinating mine training in Chairman. Nunavut? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Main. Minister Netser.

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Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): affected by the community learning Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My deputy centre. They have to wait for a whole would like to respond to that question. month for money and even at payday Thank you. sometimes the staff do not get paid.

Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. The question I have is: the day-to-day operational budget of the centre, is there Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. any way to send the salary money Chairman. If I may, with regard to the directly to Baker Lake instead of being development of training capacity in the administered in Iqaluit? That’s my first mine training sector, the significant question. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. challenge with regard to the development of mine training capacity in Chairman: Thank you, Mr. the territory is one of resourcing Mikkungwak. Minister Netser. instructors. There is an intergenerational change happening in that sector, in Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): higher education. The college is working Thank you, Mr. Chairman. in a concerted effort to fill a significant (interpretation ends) I wasn’t aware of number of vacancies within the Trades the issue that the member is raising. We and Technology Division of the certainly will fix the problem. institution. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For the record and for transparency, learners enrolled at the Nunavut Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Fisheries Training Consortium are Mikkungwak. actually Nunavut Arctic College students currently. The fisheries training Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): consortium operates under the college’s Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. It Transport Canada licence and the was before you became a minister that college is a partner with the fisheries this occurred. I’m bringing it up again so training consortium, as is the Marine that it can be improved. Institute at Memorial University in Newfoundland and Labrador. Thank On top of that, there is something in you, Mr. Chairman. Baker Lake that is under Nunavut Arctic College, which is Piqqusilirivvik based Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Henriksen. in Clyde River, I believe, that cultural Mr. Mikkungwak. school, but Baker Lake is one of the satellite communities along with Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): Igloolik. These two communities are Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. considered satellite campuses for Welcome, minister and your officials. training. They make a proposal in Baker Lake for their day-to-day operational I understand what the minister was budget and then that proposal goes up saying, that Nunavut Arctic College has there, it goes to Piqqusilirivvik, and then had many different ministers and senior it goes to Iqaluit, and then from Iqaluit it officials. Baker Lake has been really goes to, I think, Rankin Inlet and then

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finally to Baker Lake. I believe that Chairman: Thank you, Mr. should be improved. Mikkungwak. Minister Netser.

I asked previously if the budget can go Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): directly from Iqaluit to Baker Lake. Is Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will put there a way to move the budget directly that into consideration. Thank you for to Baker Lake? There are many students the question from the Member for Baker who attend the Piqqusilirivvik satellite Lake. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. campus. I want to make sure nobody misunderstands about this and that’s Chairman: Thank you, Minister Netser. why I’m asking. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Lightstone. Chairman. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess I’ll start off with Mikkungwak. Minister Netser. continuing my opening comments and the frustration that the standing Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): committee was in due to the lack of Thank you, Mr. Chairman. response to the commitments the (interpretation ends) I understand there minister had made during the standing are clarifying processes for payments committee meetings. I see now that the and we are working with employees to minister’s response has been delivered, ensure that these payments are received so I would like to thank you for on time. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. providing this information. Chairman. Unfortunately after a quick review, it doesn’t really contain much information Chairman: Thank you, Minister Netser. and definitely does not contain the Mr. Mikkungwak. information that we had requested.

Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): I guess I’ll just move on. My next Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. question, last year the current minister This will be my final question. I stated had suggested to the previous minister previously that Piqqusilirivvik has a that they consider assuming the stand-alone school and Baker Lake is a management of FANS under Nunavut satellite community. Now, is there any Arctic College. As was stated, it would way that Nunavut Arctic College can be run better and the students would consider… ? For example, in the have [fewer] concerns. I would like to there are many people ask the current minister if he still teaching and traditions in believes that FANS should be run under the schools and by the Kivalliq Inuit Nunavut Arctic College. Thank you, Mr. Association and Nunavut Arctic College Chairman. under the Piqqusilirivvik program. I think it should be combined into one. It Chairman (Mr. Mikkungwak) might be more beneficial to the people (interpretation): Thank you very much. of Nunavut and the students. Is there any Minister Netser. way that can be considered for the future? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’ve had a brief chat with the Chairman. I’m fully aware that it will be Minister of Family Services, but we tabled, but I asked when it would be didn’t get too far. I would also like to tabled. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. have Karsten Henriksen to respond to that too, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. If it’s not impossible, please Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. be aware that we have interpreters. Thank you. Minister Netser. Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The student financial Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. assistance is actually managed by Chairman. I will table that as soon as we another portfolio, the Department of possibly can. (interpretation) Thank you, Family Services. They currently hold Mr. Chairman. that portfolio and I would note that Family Services also manages financial Chairman (interpretation): Thank you support through that program for very much. Mr. Lightstone. students going to multiple different institutions. I would suggest that Family Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Services would be the best department to Chairman. Looking at previous annual provide a response to that. Thank you, reports of the college, the financial Mr. Chairman. statements have been signed off and the audit has been completed in September Chairman (interpretation): Thank you each year. I was curious why it takes so very much. Mr. Lightstone. long to table the annual reports after the completion of the year-end audit. Thank Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. My next question is going to be regarding the annual report of Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Nunavut Arctic College. I understand very much. Minister Netser. that it has been past practice to table it in March. I would like to ask when the Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. 2017-18 annual report for the college Chairman. The college year-end is in will be tabled. Thank you, Mr. June and it takes several months to tally Chairman. up all the reports and all the financial statements. That’s one of the reasons Chairman (interpretation): Thank you why it takes a while for that date, but I very much. Minister Netser. would like Karsten to also elaborate more on that. (interpretation) Thank you. Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will be tabling that. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. Chairman. As the minister stated, the college’s fiscal done end June 30. I can say that the college has undergone its

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audit and the audit has been signed off. financial audit was completed in There was a little bit of a delay in, quite September, which was six months ago, frankly, printing the annual report. I’m and as Mr. Henriksen had stated, the sure it will be available very shortly. annual report has yet to be tabled due to Thank you, Mr. Chairman. printing issues. I would just like to point out that it has been six months’ time Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. since September and that’s quite a substantial amount of time to put the Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. fault on printing-related issues. Chairman. I’m aware that the year-end is in June, and I’m also aware that the I’ll move on to my next question. Last year-end audit is completed in year the previous minister had identified September of every year. I’m just that the college was using accumulated curious why the annual report isn’t surplus to fund some additional tabled in the fall sitting after the programming. Considering that we don’t completion of the audit and why must have the annual report to review, I would we wait so many months before the like to ask: what is the current position annual report is tabled. Thank you, Mr. of the college and is the college sitting Chairman. on a substantial amount of accumulated surplus, and is the college using that Chairman (interpretation): Thank you accumulated surplus to run additional very much. Minister Netser. programming? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Karsten just explained to the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you member why it has been delayed in very much. Minister Netser. tabling the document. There were some issues with what Karsten alluded to. Hon. Patterk Netser: The current (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. surplus is in NAC’s business account Chairman. and these surpluses are used up in the Environmental Technology Program up Chairman (interpretation): Thank you in Pond Inlet and part of the leases of the very much. (interpretation ends) For old Hotel Arctic. (interpretation) Thank clarification, Minister Netser, can you you. confirm the last name of the person to your right? Minister Netser. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Mr. Lightstone. Hon. Patterk Netser: My apologies, Mr. Chairman. It’s Henriksen. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. (interpretation) That’s it. Chairman. My next question is: what are these surpluses due to and how much Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. does the college surplus every year? That’s my first question. What is the Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. college’s current surplus and what is the Chairman. Assuming prior year practice, surplus due to? Thank you, Mr. I’m going to assume that the annual Chairman.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman: Thank you. Minister of very much. Minister Netser. Nunavut Arctic College, Minister Netser. Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand the surplus Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): varies year to year and we try to use that Thank you, Mr. Chairman. surplus or we use that surplus very (interpretation ends) For that question wisely to other programs we have within through you, Mr. Chairman, I’ll ask my the college, and we are accountable to it person on the right, Mr. Henriksen, to through the auditing process. answer the question. (interpretation) (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Thank you. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the 2018-19 fiscal year the Chairman. I would like to ask this college is actually working to recruit specific question: what is the main Inuit employees as well as to build the contributing factor to the college having capacity of individuals who are currently such substantial surpluses every year? working within the institution. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One of the things that we’re doing is Chairman (interpretation): Thank you we’re working collaboratively with very much. Minister Netser. Memorial University on a number of programs that we’re hoping we will be Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): able to announce to increase the capacity Thank you, Mr. Chairman. of the institution while also increasing (interpretation ends) The surplus is the number of Inuit employees mainly due to vacancy rates from July to throughout the institution. September 2018. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For example, we’re working to increase the level of the number of Inuit faculty Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. members that are Inuktitut language speakers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’ll switch topics here. In the Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. business plan under Inuit employment, it appears that the department is projecting Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. no change. As of last September the Chairman. I’m going to continue on the department had 87 and the projected table on page 6 of the business plan that Inuit employment for the end of next shows the Inuit employment projections. year is also 87 employees. I would like It also shows a significant vacancy in to ask why the college isn’t doing more senior management. Five of the nine or doesn’t plan on increasing their Inuit senior management positions were employment. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. vacant as of last September. The projections still show that those five

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positions will be vacant. I’m curious One figure that was requested during the how the department functions with 56 standing committee meetings was the percent of their senior management total number of graduates who have positions vacant and on top of that, why completed the nursing and teacher there are no plans in place to fill those. education programs, of which it wasn’t Thank you, Mr. Chairman. provided in the minister’s follow-up. Would the minister be able to update us Chairman: Thank you. Minister Netser. today on what those numbers are? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That goes to show you how Chairman (interpretation): Thank you good the staff we have at college are very much. Minister Netser. operating really well with the vacancies, but we plan to fill those vacancies. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We get a lot Chairman. of graduates from the Teacher Education Program. My deputy minister would like Chairman (interpretation): Thank you to respond to that question if you will very much. Mr. Lightstone. allow him. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. Chairman. Might I ask: what are those five senior management positions that Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. are vacant? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. First, I would note that this year the college is celebrating its highest Chairman (interpretation): Thank you number of enrolled learners in the very much. Minister Netser. Nunavut Teacher Education Program. I think that is a testament to faculty and Hon. Patterk Netser: Bear with us a staff that work within that program and moment. Ms. Mearns is going to answer the learner services support team that that question for you, Mr. Chairman. supports the delivery of the program.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We don’t Mr. Chairman, we will get that have that information at the moment, but information to the member. It is taking we promise to follow up with the us longer than we would like to collect member on his question. (interpretation) that information as the student Thank you. information system is currently being transitioned [from] a paper-based system Chairman (interpretation): Thank you to an electronic system so we can get very much. Mr. Lightstone. that information in a [timelier] manner in the future. It’s a very substantive project Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. that the college has been undertaking. Chairman. I do hope that the minister Thank you, Mr. Chairman. will follow up on that specific bit of information. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone.

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Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. have made a concerted effort to improve Chairman. I’m very glad to hear about over the course of the last 16 months at the increased number of NTEP the institution. I know the academic participants and I congratulate all of you deans had an opportunity to have a mini on that achievement. retreat just to focus on academic planning. My next question is regarding the enrolment at Nunatta Campus. In the Most significantly and I think what most recent annual report it showed that we’re very excited about is the creation full-time enrolment in our campus has of the strategic recruitment and retention significantly decreased in the last three team, which will allow the college to years. I would like to enquire if that have the capacity to engage with trend has increased into 2018 and why potential learners, both young and old, that campus has seen such a decrease in and middle-aged learners to access recent years. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. college programming and make them aware of college programming and all Chairman (interpretation): Thank you the opportunities that are prevented to very much. Minister Netser. Nunavummiut across the territory. We’re really excited about that and we Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. look forward to seeing that trend change Chairman. (interpretation) I don’t deal in the future. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. with the day-to-day operations, but my deputy minister is there on a daily basis, Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Lightstone. so I would like to refer this question to him with your permission, Mr. Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Chairman. One really extremely important part of getting ready for Chairman (interpretation): Thank you employment, of course, is resumé very much. Mr. Henriksen. writing. I would like to enquire if every Arctic College program includes a Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. resumé writing course. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I can take a moment, as I’m Chairman. sitting here, I’m reflecting on our current president, Pauloosie, who is ill and not Chairman (interpretation): Thank you being able to be with us today. I’m very much. Minister Netser. thinking of him as we sit here. Hon. Patterk Netser: I understand that That being said, with regard to that is not offered in every program that enrolment at the college, the college has we offer at the college, but there is some seen a decline in enrolment and a trend help available for those who want it, I in declining enrolment in the territory. understand. (interpretation) Thank you. The college is aware of it and there a number of reasons for it. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Mr. Lightstone. The first is academic planning and academic planning systems, which we

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Mr. Lightstone: Thank you, Mr. is a great success story. The former Chairman. The purpose of continuing Minister of Education, Peter Kilabuk education, of course, is getting the skills from Pangnirtung, is a great success and qualifications necessary to enter the story. I think Arctic College is going workforce, but that is extremely difficult down the right path in producing to do if you don’t have a proper resumé excellent employees for Nunavummiut. I to do so. I would like to request the would like to rest on that. minister to commit to ensuring that, (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. going forward in future years, resumé Chairman. writing will be incorporated into every program that the college offers. Thank Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Akoak. you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman Chairman (interpretation): Thank you and minister. Also, what about within very much. Minister Netser. the Kitikmeot Campus? Are there such success stories in that area too? Thank Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) We can commit to Chairman: Thank you. Minister Netser. that, and I agree with the member that we need good resumés to sell our Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): product to the possible employers that Thank you, Mr. Chairman. we apply for. (interpretation) Thank you, (interpretation ends) I’m sure there are a Mr. Chairman. lot of success stories over in the Kitikmeot, and one of the persons that Chairman: Thank you. We are on O-I- come to mind is the dean over in the 2. Next name on my list, Mr. Akoak. Kitikmeot. She’s a great success story. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Chairman. minister and staff. My question is, one of the challenges faced by the college is in Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Akoak. identifying qualified Inuit for instructional and management positions. Mr. Akoak: Thank you. My colleague What success have you had to date in was talking about some people… . Too identifying candidates for these types of many people are on income support and roles within the college? Thank you, Mr. they’re looking for jobs, and I think we Chairman. do need to stress that we have to find them work. In your business plan on Chairman (interpretation): Thank you page 28, NAC-28, there’s a whole bunch very much. Minister Netser. of…especially in the Kitikmeot Campus, there’s no training in the apprenticeship Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. carpenter, housing maintainer, Chairman. I think the person on my left electrician, oil heat services pre- is a great success story. The past apprenticeship. There’s nothing in there. president, who is the deputy minister for Are there any plans to get any programs the new department that we created, HR, for those in the Kitikmeot Campus?

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. houses being built, and they’re behind already and it causes the maintenance Chairman (interpretation): Thank you people to… . Whenever they get a call, very much. Minister Netser. they would say it’s emergency only. We do need more maintenance people, and Hon. Patterk Netser: Yes, there are programs like this would help. programs we are offering in the Kitikmeot, and I would like Mr. Oil heat services would help because it’s Henriksen to elaborate a bit more. cold this time of year. As well, we need (interpretation) Thank you. electricians up here, and I believe there is a retiring electrician over in Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. Cambridge Bay that can provide training if he was approached. That was just a Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. comment. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. I’m very excited that we’re moving towards the construction of a Chairman: Thank you. (interpretation) new Kitikmeot Campus. With the He said that was just a comment. development of the Kitikmeot Campus, (interpretation ends) O-I-2. Nunavut we will be increasing the breadth of Arctic College. Headquarters. Mr. trades and apprenticeship programs, Quassa. beginning with Nunavut’s first Red Seal Culinary Arts program. We’re very Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, excited to do that and to bring that Mr. Chairman. Welcome. I have a program to Nunavut. variety of questions. Sometimes I’ll speak Inuktitut and sometimes I’ll speak We continue to leverage the resources English, but I’m sorry that I probably that we can at a community level, but I won’t ask any questions in French. would note one of the challenges that we have as an institution in the territory is First of all, in Igloolik… . Mr. the challenge of recruiting qualified Chairman, I’m not sure if my questions trades and apprenticeship instructors in a are on the right page, so you will have to national environment where the labour correct me if I’m wrong. force is undergoing change. It’s a highly competitive market in terms of recruiting We have an (interpretation ends) oral faculty. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. history project (interpretation) in Igloolik which has been ongoing for a Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Akoak. long time. I mentioned late Leah Ottak, who we remember. She was a very Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. dedicated employee. I wanted to say that Thank you for the response. I’m excited first. on that too because just the other day I was asking the housing minister if they I would like some information. The would find more funds to recruit more project is important and the centre has maintenance people. They are really created a lot of material. They have very short of that in my community. collected stories and history from elders, There is more housing stock and more they have collected pisiit; ajaajaa songs.

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It should really be dedicated for the question. Thank you. whole territory. Where and how are these materials collected for the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you (interpretation ends) oral history project? very much. Ms. Mearns. (interpretation) That’s my first question. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Mearns (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I Chairman (interpretation): Thank you agree. It’s a very important project that very much. Minister Netser. has been ongoing for a number of years now and has created a database. We are Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): also working in other communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) We have an oral Currently our NAC Media Division here divisional staff who works closely with in Iqaluit is working on much the same, researchers and provides access to working with elders, conducting traditional knowledge relevant to interviews, and they are looking at research topics and research funding. expanding to other communities. Part of Interviews are shared by the researchers Piqusilirivvik’s work as well is to collect and are entered into the archival interviews and the knowledge from database. (interpretation) Thank you, elders and instructors that they have who Mr. Chairman. work with the Piqqusilirivvik program. This is being used to develop curriculum Chairman (interpretation): Thank you and programming for the college. very much. Mr. Quassa. As we move forward, I’m also working Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, with my staff to identify how we can Mr. Chairman. He didn’t answer my further share all this wealth of question. I know what he’s talking about information that we have. There have regarding those materials that are been a number of publications to date collected. What I’m asking about are through NAC Media, most of them in oral history projects. It’s probably not written format, but we are discussing only for Igloolik but for all of Nunavut. ways that we can share in other media Is there a collection of elders’ stories and formats as well, beyond just the written research across Nunavut and in which publications that we currently have. communities? Thank you, Mr. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Netser. very much. Mr. Quassa.

Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I’m sorry, but I didn’t Mr. Chairman. I also thank you for the quite understand it the first time. The response. That’s a good response. To go official to my left, Ms. Mearns, says that further down this line of questioning, she can respond to the question as she some of the material for the Arctic has good knowledge about the project in College curriculum and for the

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Department of Education classroom into the subject, have you thought, purposes, I think some of this looking forward, whether you need to material…is it being used in the schools, strategize about this area and provide a not just to Arctic College but to actual variety of training options available? schools across the territory? Thank you, Looking into the future, is this Mr. Chairman. something that can be considered further? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you. Minister Netser. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): very much. Minister Netser. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Perhaps the Minister of Education would be better Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. able to answer this question, but with Chairman. (interpretation) We are not respect to what the member is asking considering that right now. Thank you. about, they are available to everyone. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Quassa.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, very much. Mr. Quassa. Mr. Chairman. I’ll speak in English.

Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, (interpretation ends) The college’s Mr. Chairman. A while ago the college funding for language programs, was teaching pastors in collaboration including interpreter/translator diplomas, with the (interpretation ends) Arthur has not increased significantly in a Turner Training Centre. (interpretation) I number of years. know that this was stopped. I’m asking the minister if Arctic College officials Given the ongoing need for trained and have reconsidered this. Thank you, Mr. certified language specialists across the Chairman. government, what steps are being taken to recruit learners and expand the Chairman: Thank you. Minister Netser. delivery of Inuit language programming across Nunavut? (interpretation) Thank Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, at the moment, no. We did meet with them yesterday and Chairman: Thank you. Minister Netser. they’re requesting a facility for their prospective students, but we have other Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): priorities at this time, so we didn’t agree Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are in to their request and that’s unfortunate. front of you asking for appropriations for Thank you. courses that we want to deliver. If our budget is approved, we will be creating Chairman (interpretation): Thank you positions for a (interpretation ends) very much. Mr. Quassa. recruitment coordinator and one promotion specialist (interpretation) for Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, the courses that are going to be Mr. Chairman. I just want to ask further delivered. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Quassa. aware, Piqqusilirivvik is not utilized much in the summertime. I think they’re Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, just waiting for programming. That is Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) The good news to hear. college’s 2019-2020 draft business plan indicated that a summer institute Also, this is related to my colleague’s program will be developed at question. Igloolik and Baker Lake are Piqqusilirivvik. What is the status of this satellite communities. (interpretation initiative and how many students will be ends) For a number of years the college participating when it begins? has indicated that satellite (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Piqqusilirivvik programs will be Chairman. delivered in community learning centres. To date, how many communities have Chairman (interpretation): Thank you delivered these satellite programs and in very much. Minister Netser. which specific communities will they be delivered next? (interpretation) Thank Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman. The person on my left is well versed to answer that question, Ms. Chairman: Thank you. Minister Netser. Mearns. (interpretation) Thank you. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Mearns. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) We will follow up Ms. Mearns (interpretation): Thank you, with the member on that question. Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Yes, (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. we are looking at the opportunity of a Chairman. summer institute to ensure the use of our facilities in times that Piqqusilirivvik Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Quassa. students aren’t there. Right now we are working with our university partner and Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, with other stakeholders to identify what Mr. Chairman. I didn’t quite understand the summer institute would look like, that. I don’t think he fully answered the what the focus would be, and identifying question. They should have an idea on the numbers that we could potentially that by now. I will just move on. house and the types of programming we would offer. It is in the preliminary (interpretation ends) One of the college’s stages and hopefully we will be able to priorities for 2019-2020 involves share more information soon. evaluating the elder-in-residence (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. program. How many elders are currently Chairman. employed in this program and what successes has it achieved? Chairman (interpretation): Thank you (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. very much. Mr. Quassa. Chairman.

Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you This is very good to hear. As we are all very much. Minister Netser.

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Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. challenges that he faces and we hope to Chairman. (interpretation) Sometimes I learn from him. Thank you, Mr. work with… . When we go through Chairman. difficult times, we rely on elders in our workplace, especially the younger Chairman (interpretation): Thank you elders. College students have elder very much. Mr. Quassa. advisors and it provides a lot of help to the students. Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also heard that the The person on my right would like to Nunavut Teacher Education Program is elaborate on that if you will allow him, moving along quite well and that’s good Mr. Chairman. Thank you. to hear. My question is: are the students at the NTEP program trained in Inuktitut Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. instruction with an Inuk instructor? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have one elder in Chairman (interpretation): Thank you residence out at the Nunatta Campus. very much. Minister Netser. The impact that he has had on the learning community at Nunavut Arctic Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): College - I will say that he travels Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have to around the territory - has been protect our language and we’re trying to tremendous. He is not only a support for protect it and we will not be losing it, our learners, but he’s a support for our Mr. Chairman. To the member’s staff and our leaders. question, we provide instruction in Inuktitut. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Speaking from a personal level, our elder-in-residence is somebody who I Chairman (interpretation): Thank you talk to on a regular basis, and I know my very much. Mr. Quassa. colleagues do with the deans on a regular basis. He is somebody who helps Mr. Quassa (interpretation): Thank you, ground us and helps us keep looking Mr. Chairman. This will be more of a forward and focusing on the important comment. If our students are going to be things in our lives. This week the college taught properly in Inuktitut, our teachers is dealing with a loss and he has been a need to be fluent in Inuktitut. I would centrepiece in helping the college deal just like that to be carried on and more with that loss. Many of you will note effort put on that. I know we are capable that the college’s flag is at half-mast of providing Inuktitut teachers. If we today. could have English-speaking teachers, we can have Inuktitut-speaking teachers. With that being said, we have been Our students can learn proper Inuktitut. spending a lot of time talking to our elder-in-residence about what the Lastly, as with my colleague, the FANS structure for an elder-in-residence would program for students, I am aware that it look like. We want to hear from him. He is under the responsibility of Family is an elder. He understands the Services, but there have been problems

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2924 for people who want to attend college. they work in a job and learn at the same They arrive here, they have to go to time. Do you have that at Arctic another department to get funding, and College? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. that becomes a real problem. If the college can be responsible for the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you student assistance program, I fully very much. Minister responsible for support what my colleague stated earlier. Nunavut Arctic College, Minister Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Netser.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): very much. Minister Netser. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) We’re looking at Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): that with the partnership with Memorial Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When I was University. We hope to do something first elected, that was brought up about that down the road. (interpretation) continuously by my constituents. I talked Thank you. to Minister Sheutiapik on that issue and we will be having more discussions on Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Nakashuk. how we can improve that program and resolve the problems they are having. Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank Thank you, Mr. Chairman. you. Another question I have is: as all communities have a community learning Chairman (interpretation): Thank you centre, do they all have instructors now? very much. Interpreters and my Thank you, Mr. Chairman. colleagues, we will take a 10-minute break. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Netser. >>Committee recessed at 15:16 and resumed at 15:30 Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): As to how many staff that we’re lacking Chairman (interpretation): Thank you in the community learning centres, we’re very much. (interpretation ends) I call working on that, Mr. Chairman. Thank the committee meeting back to order. you. Next name on my list, Ms. Nakashuk. Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Nakashuk. Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon, Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank minister (interpretation ends) and staff. you. He didn’t really answer my question. (interpretation ends) I was (interpretation) The first question I curious, when we have community would like to ask, in your opening learning centres in all the communities, comments you mentioned (interpretation if there are adult educators in all the ends) the high staff changeover within training centres. That’s my question. It NAC. (interpretation) I would like to would be good to know if all the centres understand first of all how many in the are operating or filled. (interpretation) leadership management course where Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you kind of hard to determine what programs very much. Minister Netser. would run in those communities. That was one of my main reasons. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): I’m sorry I didn’t understand the When we’re talking about the NTEP and question when she first asked it. Some of how much it is needed in the the community learning centres lack communities, and we’re always lacking educators and there may not be any teachers in the communities, how does educators in some of them. I would like the department determine how many my deputy to respond to that as he is NTEP programs would run in the more knowledgeable about that. Thank communities? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. you, Mr. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Netser. Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Overall I would speak to the Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): college’s vacancy rate, which is The person on my left can definitely approximately 35 percent and those respond to that question, (interpretation positions are spread across the college as ends) Mr. Chairman. (interpretation) an institution in CLCs as well as on the Thank you. campuses. The college is aware and has a goal of decreasing its vacancy rate. To Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Mearns. address that, we have actually built significant capacity in our human Ms. Mearns (interpretation): Thank you, resources department and have a Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) As significant number of advertisements far as, for instance, the NTEP program, forthcoming. this is based on the funding that we receive. There are two streams of I would encourage anybody listening funding for NTEP. We have some of the here today to keep their eye out on the offerings that are base funded through Government of Nunavut HR site as well the base fund we have at the college and as the Nunavut Arctic College website then some of the community-based for information on employment programs are funded through a opportunities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. contribution agreement through the Department of Education. Currently I Chairman (interpretation): Thank you believe we have eight communities, very much. Ms. Nakashuk. including Iqaluit, where the NTEP program is being offered. Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) As far as the human resource aspect, The reason I was asking about running although we do hire a PY for the CLCs in the communities was to community that we’re offering, our determine… . I’m pretty sure you don’t instructors for the NTEP program do know if you’re going to have instructors travel to different communities, so in those learning centres. It would be they’re not always in the same

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community. They get to travel to number of course offerings at this time. different communities based on the module or course that is being delivered As far as identifying communities, we’re at that time and the expertise of our working on improving the process, but faculty. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. we do collaborate with our community Chairman. learning centres through the community needs assessments to identify interest for Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Nakashuk. our programs, such as NTEP. We do reach out to stakeholders within the Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank community to assist us in identifying you. (interpretation ends) It’s great to those who are interested attending a hear that there are at least eight NTEP program such as NTEP. (interpretation) programs running at this moment. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Do you know if there will be an Chairman (interpretation): Thank you additional eight or in different very much. Minister Netser. communities in the next semester or in the next school year? I just want to know Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): also how you determine where you’re Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The going to give these NTEP courses. (interpretation ends) Makigiaqta Inuit (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Training Corporation (interpretation) Chairman. that was created recently, and we work with Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you (interpretation ends) Nunavut Arctic very much. Minister Netser. College is working with Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated through the Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): establishment of the Makigiaqta Inuit Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Whenever Training Corporation. This collaboration our students at Arctic College graduate, will bring unique opportunities to Inuit they are able to work anywhere in and will provide additional pathways for Canada, whether they’re going to be a Inuit to attain higher education or teacher or an electrician and those types specialized training. (interpretation) of professionals. Mr. Chairman, I would Thank you, Mr. Chairman. like the person on my left to expand the answer on this, if you will allow it. Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Nakashuk. Thank you. Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Mearns. you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I think that that is great to know, hearing Ms. Mearns (interpretation): Thank you, from Ms. Mearns that four will be Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) We starting in the new fiscal year. I’m just currently have four communities that wondering: has Pangnirtung come will be graduating from the NTEP forward in wanting to have this program program this year and there will be four run in the community? I know they were additional programs starting in collecting names to see if they have September. We will maintain the same enough participants or interest in the

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community to start that program. I know Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Mearns. it was quite successful a few years ago. Ms. Mearns (interpretation): Thank you, I’m just curious to know if those four Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) communities will be…or do you know Adult basic education will also be which communities the course will be offered in Pangnirtung in this coming at? (interpretation) Thank you. 2019-2020 academic year. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman. very much. Minister Netser. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): very much. Ms. Nakashuk. Yes, the communities are Pangnirtung, , Cambridge Bay, and Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank Iqaluit. The person to my left has more you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) she would like to add. Thank you, Mr. Another question I wanted to ask was Chairman. the social work program that runs in Cambridge Bay, and I know that Iqaluit Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Mearns. was going to be offering the first year. Has there been any discussion on other Ms. Mearns (interpretation): Thank you, communities that could use the same Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) To program in their community? answer your question, yes, Pangnirtung (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. did approach us and it is one of the Chairman. communities that we will be offering the NTEP program in starting in September. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. very much. Minister Netser. Chairman. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Nakashuk. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The person on my right says that he can respond to Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank the question, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) It’s great to know that NTEP will be Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. given in Pangnirtung. Are you aware of any other programs that would run in the Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. community as well? (interpretation) Chairman. We were very pleased to be Thank you, Mr. Chairman. able to work with our stakeholders to launch the delivery of the social work Chairman (interpretation): Thank you diploma program here in Iqaluit this year very much. Minister Netser. and we will be proceeding to year 2 in the fall. We will also be introducing a Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): year 1 cohort of the social work diploma Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The person in Cambridge Bay in September of 2019. on my left can also answer that question. Thank you. We are currently in discussions with

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2928 stakeholders and our new university Arthur Turner or social worker program? partner on options for program (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. expansion. There will be more Chairman. information forthcoming as we finalize our MOU with Memorial University. Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Nakashuk. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank Chairman (interpretation): Thank you you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) very much. Ms. Nakashuk. I guess my question was: has there been any consideration with expanding social Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank work outside of Cambridge Bay and you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Iqaluit? Also, the minister had stated that I understand that the social work the Arthur Turner Training one was not program is quite successful and very going to be considered here in Iqaluit. much needed in Nunavut. It would be Are there any talks about or great to see this program expand considerations at least to other regional because, as you stated, NAC has been centres to provide that program? lucky with the stakeholders, but to grow (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. that and give that as well in the other Chairman. communities, I think, is also very beneficial. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Netser. The reason I state that is when one of my colleagues mentioned about the Arthur Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Turner training program, I know it only Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The person ran one time through Nunavut Arctic on my right would like to answer that College and it’s kind of disappointing question. Thank you. that there’s no consideration being done to run the program again. I’m just Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. curious to know: with that one, what was the success rate? Did you have a good Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. number of graduates from that program? Chairman. With regard to social work, as I commented in my previous remarks, If there’s no classroom space in the we are working with stakeholders on the regional centers, is there any future of social work. I think we would consideration that it could be given… ? I all like to see increased access to social mean you stated for Iqaluit centre. Is work programming in the territory and there any consideration outside of there are a number of ways that we can Iqaluit? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. do that. We are currently working again Chairman. with stakeholders to find the most cost- effective way to do so while at the same Chairman (interpretation): Thank you time creating and supporting a learning very much. Minister Netser. environment that ensures learners’ success. Hon. Patterk Netser: Could she clarify her question as to whether it’s for the The second point, if I may, Mr.

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Chairman, is to provide some guessing a lot of the program delivery clarification with regard to the Arthur notifications will be put out on April 1. Turner school. The Arthur Turner Have there been any plans to improve program was not a Nunavut Arctic the… ? I know that in my community College program. I think it’s important and I know that in the smaller to be mindful that that was not a communities there was always the issue Nunavut Arctic College program. There of not knowing what programs will run was access to learner accommodation by until the summer came. The school year Arthur Turner in Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. was like a month away. Has there been Chairman. any work in trying to get program outlines to the communities before the Chairman (interpretation): Thank you summer? (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. very much. Ms. Nakashuk. Chairman.

Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): I will Chairman (interpretation): Thank you then go to another subject. very much. Minister Netser. (interpretation ends) Has there been any determination as to where the Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Environmental Technology Program will Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When I first be held in the next school year and how became minister, I asked my officials to many communities will be taking that inform our students who will be program? (interpretation) Thank you, graduating and would like to attend Mr. Chairman. Arctic College of the courses that we offer. (interpretation ends) A course Chairman (interpretation): Thank you catalogue for all programs that the very much. Minister Netser. college offers will be released on April 1. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Currently there’s Chairman (interpretation): Thank you one up in Pond Inlet and here in Iqaluit. very much. Ms. Nakashuk. That information, I understand, will be released in June. (interpretation) Thank Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation ends): you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is going to be my last question. You made Chairman: Thank you. Minister Netser. reference to the elder-in-residence program for students and staff at Arctic Hon. Patterk Netser: My apologies, College here in Iqaluit. I wonder if there April 1. (interpretation) Thank you, Mr. are any plans to expand the program. It Chairman. was said that the elder-in-residence travels to communities. Are there any Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Nakashuk. plans to have elders from the communities to be elders-in-residence? Ms. Nakashuk (interpretation): Thank Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That’s my you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) last question. Thank you for that information. I am

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you When do you expect for the learning very much. Minister Netser. centre to be reopened? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The elders Chairman (interpretation): Thank you are our foundation in all aspects of life very much. Minister Netser. and it’s going to be something that we will seriously consider on how we can Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): increase the number of elders working in Thank you, Mr. Chairman. our college. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) Whenever there is a community that wants to see some type Chairman: Thank you. The next name of program taking place in their on my list, Ms. Kamingoak. community, then we work with the community learning centre or instructor Ms. Kamingoak: Koana, Mr. Chairman. as to how we can proceed with the Welcome, minister and your officials. programs, but we will work with the member on her question on when it will For clarification, when was the reopen. (interpretation) Thank you. community learning centre closed in Kugluktuk and why was it closed? Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Thank you, Mr. Chairman. very much. Mr. Qirngnuq.

Chairman: Thank you. Minister Netser. Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Welcome, minister Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): and your officials. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) We don’t have that I really want to ensure I understand this relevant information at the moment, but matter about this facility that I can’t we will get back to the member on that, translate into Inuktitut, so I will use the Mr. Chairman. Thank you. English term, (interpretation ends) Nunatta Campus. (interpretation) It is Chairman (interpretation): Thank you currently undergoing construction which very much. Ms. Kamingoak. will lead to an opening in the future. When the addition is finalized and in Ms. Kamingoak: Thank you. I look use, will this result in more staff? I forward to hearing about the reason wanted to clearly understand this area, because it’s not benefiting my hence my question. Thank you, Mr. constituents and not offering programs Chairman. right now, but I encourage your department to look into what other Chairman (interpretation): Thank you programs they will be offering in very much. Minister Netser. Kugluktuk as well because it’s often said that my constituents would like other Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): programs offered other than adult basic Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We are now education learning. using the new extension that was just built here in Iqaluit. We were going to

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2931 open it today, but we have delayed it Residence will be transferred to the new because we lost one of our staff, which part of the building. We do have a mine is regretful. It will be officially opened simulator which was brought up and it on June 1. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. will be put in the new part of Arctic College. The (interpretation ends) Fur Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Production Program (interpretation) will very much. Mr. Qirngnuq. be reinstated at the new location as well. We’re very pleased, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With regard to this Chairman (interpretation): Thank you expansion, will more staff be required? very much. Mr. Qirngnuq. Once you have the official opening, will more staff positions be created during Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank June or is that ongoing? Thank you, Mr. you, Mr. Chairman. I want to clearly Chairman. understand this, so I’ll ask it again. What I’m trying to ask in English is: Chairman (interpretation): Thank you (interpretation ends) will any additional very much. Minister Netser. staff be hired? (interpretation) I hope that was understandable, Mr. Chairman. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Thank you. Mr. Chairman, we had used different buildings to provide the training Chairman Thank you. Minister Netser. programs, but with the expansion, we have brought them all under one roof. I Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): hope that answered your question. Thank Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will try you, Mr. Chairman. to fill the vacant positions once the new addition is officially opened, Mr. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Qirngnuq. Chairman. Thank you.

Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank Chairman (interpretation): Thank you you, Mr. Chairman. Since this is a very much. Mr. Qirngnuq. collection point for various programs, which programs required a larger venue Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank resulting in this addition? It’s just for my you, Mr. Chairman. Do you envision understanding, Mr. Chairman. Thank that happening during this current year, you. or in what year can we expect the new addition to be in use? Thank you, Mr. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman. very much. Minister Netser. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): very much. Minister Netser. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, there was fire damage to the old Ukiivik Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Residence and they moved to the new Thank you, Mr. Chairman. part of the campus. The programs that (interpretation ends) Talking in terms of were provided at the old Ukiivik filling up the vacancies question, job

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vacancies, is he asking that question, Mr. on my right wants to answer it. Thank Chairman? (interpretation) I didn’t quite you. understand his question because of the difference in dialect. Thank you. I do Chairman (interpretation): Thank you apologize. very much. Mr. Qirngnuq.

Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank very much. Mr. Qirngnuq. you, Mr. Chairman. What about the answer? Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’m asking in what Chairman (interpretation): I’m sorry. year we can expect to see more staff at Mr. Henriksen. the facility once it is open. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I understood the question, Chairman (interpretation): Thank you it relates to the role and the purpose of very much. Minister Netser. the portfolio of Communities and Academic Excellence. The academic Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): excellence portfolio is responsible for We’re going to be filling up the vacant the creation of curriculum as well as the positions. We will also be working on development of instructional capacity for the retention program because we value our new and current faculty members our staff. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. and instructional leaders at the institution. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Qirngnuq. Work is underway with our interim dean Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank of communities and academic excellence you, Mr. Chairman. Moving on to to fill some vacancies in that portfolio another subject, on page NAC-9 of the and to work collaboratively with business plan, it lists the budget. There is stakeholders, including our cultural no amount listed for, to say it in English school in Clyde River, our satellite as I don’t know the term in Inuktut, campuses in the territory, as well as our (interpretation ends) “Excellence.” faculty and staff in all 25 community (interpretation) I wonder what that is learning centres and campuses in the called in Inuktut, takuminaqtuq or territory. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. hanatsiaqtuq. The other one is “Development.” There is no budget Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Qirngnuq. listed for those two. I want to understand, hence my question. Thank Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank you. you, Mr. Chairman. I also thank you for that clarification. There is also no Chairman (interpretation): Thank you amount listed under “Development.” I’m very much. Minister Netser. asking for clarification on that, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The person

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Chairman (interpretation): Thank you dialect. I apologize. We are very sorry. very much. Minister Netser. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Qirngnuq. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In terms of Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank what he read, (interpretation ends) you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) “Business Careers & Workforce Under Development in the budget plan, I Development,” (interpretation) it is to don’t see any figures. Is there no PY support employees that work in that under this development plan? field. That’s what it means. Thank you. (interpretation) I hope that was understandable, Mr. Chairman. Thank Chairman (interpretation): Thank you you. very much. Mr. Qirngnuq. Chairman Thank you. Minister Netser. Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is what it Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): means. Since no work is occurring now, Thank you for the clarification. We does that mean there are no requests for apologize to you, Mr. Qirngnuq. That is funding? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. on one line under (interpretation ends) Business Careers & Workforce Chairman: Thank you. Minister Netser. Development. (interpretation) That is to the right of the figure, $1,680,000. Hon. Patterk Netser: Mr. Chairman, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We apologize (interpretation) I didn’t understand the for taking a while to understand. Thank question, so if he could ask again. Thank you. you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman (interpretation): Please ask very much. Mr. Qirngnuq. your question again, Mr. Qirngnuq. Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank Mr. Qirngnuq (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I feel inadequate in you, Mr. Chairman. With no employee not being understood. to push for that at the college and with vacant positions, does it mean there are >>Laughter no requests for funds under this field? I hope that is understandable, Mr. Moving to another subject, in the Chairman. Thank you. minister’s opening comments regarding Arctic College you mentioned that Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Netser. “…the college has had three different ministers, five different presidents…” Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. My colleague from Arviat already Chairman. We really apologize from this referred to this matter regarding the table here. Could he elaborate that funding request process in light of these question in an international language, in continual changes poses in itself a the English version? (interpretation) barrier. In thinking of this challenge, we Thank you. We don’t understand his need solutions in the immediate future

Thursday, March 7, 2019 Nunavut Hansard 2934 that eliminate these barriers and I Bay. Have any opportunities for research wonder if plans are in place for that or employment been provided to scenario. Mr. Chairman, I really want to Nunavummiut through this initiative? be clear in my understanding and the Thank you, Mr. Chairman. reason for my question. Thank you. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Netser. very much. Minister Netser. Hon. Patterk Netser: Thank you, Mr. Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): Chairman. My acting president has the Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The person file in control and would like to respond on my left says she can answer it, Mr. to that question. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Chairman.

Chairman: Thank you. Ms. Mearns. Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen.

Ms. Mearns (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman. This was mentioned Chairman. Thank you for the question. earlier. This is part of our business plan Nunavut Arctic College has an ongoing and in the plan we are looking at a ten- dialogue with Polar Knowledge Canada, year span. If and when this is set up, which operates the Canadian High Arctic College will use this in terms of Arctic Research Station. We work with planning forward. them on an ongoing basis in terms of maximizing the utilization of resources (interpretation ends) Maybe I can particularly in Cambridge Bay, but also express better in English, but to have work collaboratively together to further that ten-year strategy will allow us to a very diverse research agenda in maintain forward motion. Understanding research, particularly applied research in that there is going to be change from the territory. time to time, but with that ten-year strategy, hopefully it will support us in I would also note that we are currently maintaining forward movement in the working with our intergenerational work that we are doing. (interpretation) university partner, Memorial University, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. to look at ways to build research capacity at Nunavut Arctic College to Chairman: Thank you. I have no more ensure that Nunavummiut are not only names on this information page. We will engaging in research activity but also flip onto the next information page. O-I- developing and leading research 3. Nunavut Arctic College. Nunavut activities. Research Institute. Mr. Akoak. We like to say that we are committed to Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. research in the Arctic for the Arctic by I just have a couple of questions. One of the Arctic. That is something that we are the college’s past priorities was to very committed to as a team and work collaborate with the Canadian High collaboratively with Polar Knowledge Arctic Research Station in Cambridge Canada and the team at the Canadian

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High Arctic Research Station to do. ensuring that the appropriate subject Thank you, Mr. Chairman. matter experts are being connected with. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman (interpretation) Thank you very much. Mr. Akoak. Chairman: Thank you. We are on O-I- 3. Nunavut Arctic College. Nunavut Mr. Akoak: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Research Institute. I have no more The college’s draft 2019-2022 business names on my list. We will now flip to O- plan indicates that recommendations for I-4. Nunavut Arctic College. Regional revisions to Nunavut’s Scientists Act will Campuses. I have no names listed. Back be brought forward. What areas of the to page N-3. Department Summary. Act need to be revised? Thank you, Mr. Nunavut Arctic College. Total Chairman. Operations and Maintenance, to be Voted. $38,695,000. Mr. Main. Chairman (interpretation): Thank you very much. Minister Netser. Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I Hon. Patterk Netser (interpretation): would just like to point out that due to To that question, Mr. Chairman, my weather, the way that this budget has deputy would like to answer that been considered isn’t too fair and to the question. (interpretation) Thank you. regular members, there was a number of the regular members here who had to Chairman: Thank you. Mr. Henriksen. leave due to weather and safety concerns. Whether we approve this or Mr. Henriksen: Thank you, Mr. not, I would like it on the record that Chairman. First off I would note that the they were not here and they could not be Scientists Act is an older piece of here due to safety issues. legislation and a lot of development has happened and there is a lot more interest I don’t appreciate the way that this is in more dynamic research, I guess I being done here. I think we should would say, in the territory. We are maybe take a break at this point and working through the legislative process decide whether we want to defer this or and we will follow the legislative whether we want to shut down this process to work with our stakeholders to committee meeting and come back. I do identify and present changes to the believe we have an opening on Saturday Scientists Act moving forward. that we could use to continue to finish our work. (interpretation) Thank you, The college is working not only in Mr. Chairman. Nunavut but is on the international stage. Nunavut is on the international stage. Chairman: Okay. Thank you. We will Big research globally is happening in take a 10-minute break. Nunavut and we want to ensure that our communities are being engaged >>Committee recessed at 16:17 and appropriately, that Inuit language and resumed at 16:29 culture are being respected and honoured in that research process, and we’re Chairman (interpretation): Thank you

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very much. (interpretation ends) I call Third Reading of Bills. Orders of the the committee meeting back to order. Day. Mr. Clerk. Mr. Main. Item 22: Orders of the Day Mr. Main (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (interpretation ends) I Clerk (Mr. Quirke): Thank you, Mr. move to report progress. (interpretation) Speaker. Orders of the Day for March 8: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 1. Prayer Chairman: There is a motion on the 2. Ministers’ Statements floor and the motion is not debatable. All those in favour of the motion, raise your 3. Members’ Statements hands. All those opposed. The motion is 4. Returns to Oral Questions carried. I will now rise to report to the Speaker. 5. Recognition of Visitors in the

Gallery (interpretation) I’m sorry. Sergeant-at- Arms, please escort the minister’s 6. Oral Questions officials from the witness table. 7. Written Questions

Speaker (interpretation): Report of the 8. Returns to Written Questions Committee of the Whole. Mr. 9. Replies to Opening Address Mikkungwak. 10. Petitions Item 20: Report of the Committee of 11. Responses to Petitions the Whole 12. Reports of Standing and Special Mr. Mikkungwak (interpretation): Committees on Bills and Other Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Your committee has been considering Matters Bill 15 and the 2019-2020 main 13. Tabling of Documents estimates and would like to report progress. Mr. Speaker, I move that the 14. Notices of Motions Report of the Committee of the Whole 15. Notices of Motions for First be agreed to. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Reading of Bills

16. Motions Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. There is a motion on the floor. Is there a 17. First Reading of Bills seconder? Thank you, Mr. Hickes. 18. Second Reading of Bills (interpretation ends) Thank you. (interpretation) The motion is in order. 19. Consideration in Committee of All those in favour of the motion, please the Whole of Bills and Other raise your hand. Thank you. All those opposed. The motion is carried. Matters

• Bill 13

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• Bill 15 • Bill 16 • Bill 17 • Bill 18 • Bill 20 • Bill 21 20. Report of the Committee of the Whole 21. Third Reading of Bills 22. Orders of the Day Thank you.

Speaker (interpretation): Thank you. This House stands adjourned and in accordance with the authority provided to me by Motion 17 – 5(2), we will resume our meeting on Friday, March 8, at 10:00 a.m.

Sergeant-at-Arms.

>>House adjourned at 16:34