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62 np. (wuun)) ***** SH™ " a CONTENTS [SECONDSERIEs-Volume XXXIII-August 17 to 29, 1959/Sravana 27 to Bhadra 7, 1881 (Saka)]
No. II-Monday, August 17, 1959/Sravana 27, 1831 (Saka)- COLUMNS Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 491 to 493, 496, 498, 500 to 502, 507, 503 to 506 and 508 to 512 2667---2706 Written Answers to Questions.- Starred Questions Nos. 494, 495, 497, 499 and 513 to 536. 2706--21 Unstarred Questions Nos. 890 to 956 and 958 to 1025 2721~2808 Re :Motions for Adjournment 2808- 10 Papers laid on the Table 28ro--II Message from Rajya Sabha 28II-12 Demands-Supplementary for Grants 2812 Calling Attention to a Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Accumulation of tobacco stocks in Andhra Pradesh . 2812-14 Resolution Re: Proclamation in respect of Kerala 2314-2926
Daily Digest...... No. u.-Wednesd~, }Ugust 19, 1959/Sravana 28, 1881 (Saka)- Oral Answers to Questions-- Starred Questions Nos. 537 to 539, 542 to 544, 5~6, S·P, 550-557 and 559-563. 2935-73 Written Answers to Questions.- Starred Questions Nos. 540,541,545.548, 549,558, 564 to 5H3 2973-84
Unstarred Questions Nos. 1026-II17 2985-3036
Re: Motions for Adjournment 1036-42 Paper laid on the Table 3043
Messages from Rajya Sabha 3043-44 Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions-. Forty-seventh Report Petition re: Andhra Pradesh and Madras (Alteration of Boundaries) Bill Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance-
Bomb explosion in Delhi 3044-46 Business of the House 3046 Resolution re: Proclamation in respect of Kerala 3046..-.p06 Daily Digest. 32°7-,[";
,l, No. I3-Thursday, August 20, 1959/Srauana 29,1881 (Saka)-- Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 584, 586 to 588, 590 to 594, 596. 60S, 595 and 597 to 600 3215-51 Written Answers to Questions>- Starred Questions Nos. 585, -589, 6o! to 607 and 609 to 631. 3251-7f Unstarred Questions Nos. 1118 to 1197 3271--3320 196 LSD-9. ii
Business of the House Papers laid on the Table Messages from Rajya Sabha Committee on Absence of Members from the Sittings of the House- Fifteenth Report ...... 3324-25 Corre'ction of Statement re: Situation in Pondicherry 3325-2" Resolution re: Proclamation in respect of Kerala 3327-1424 Oil and Natural Gas Commission Bill 3424-46 Motion to consider 3424-42 Clauses 2 to 32 and 1 3442-4<- ."1otion to pass . ::.W> ,.,. International Monetary Fund and Bank {Amendment) Bill
Motion to consider (. Central Excises and Salt (Amendment) Bill-Introduced Business Advisory Committee- Forty-firstReport 3451-s.1. Daily Digest 3453-r� No. 14-Friday, August 21, 1959/Sravana 30, 1881 (Saka) Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 632 to 643, 645, 646, 649-653 3461-97 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 644, 647, 648, 654 to 676 and 1ro Unstarred Questions No. I198 to 1285 Motions forAdjournment- Alleged violation of Indian air space over Calcutta 3560-(: Papers laid on the Table 3562-63 Messages from Rajya Sabha 3563-f• Business of the House 3564-6 Business Advisory Committee Forty-first Report Discussion re : rise in foodgrains prices Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions- Forty-seventh Report 3630 Resolution re: Nationalisation of Banks 3631-82 Resolution re: Reference of Tibet issue to the U.N.O. 3682-90 Daily Digest 3691-98
N.J. 15-Saturday, August 22, 1959/Sravana 31, 1881 (Saka)
Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 677, 680, 681, 682, 683, 685, 686, 688, 689, 691, 695, 696, 699, 700, 702, 704 3799-373 Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 678, 679, 684, 687, 690, 692 to 694, 697, 698, 701, 703, 705 to 708 3736-43 3743 Unstarred Questions Nos. 1286 to 1376 �. Death of Syed Faz! Ali �797-3800 Statement re: Accident to Hoist Chamber at Bhakra 3800--<:1 Motion foradjournment- Accident to Hoist Chamber at Bhakra Papers laid on the Table iii
j ;il;M. CoWMNS _21 if.-· Business of the House 38o5-<>7 -2.4 r .· International Monetary Fund and Bank (Amendment) Bill 3807-46 ;324 . • Motion to consider 3807-46 Clauses 2 to 5 and I 3846 -25 Motion to pass 3846 -2'1 Discussion re: Rise in Foodgrain Prices 3847-3930 Half-an-hour discussion re: Hydrogenated Oils 3930-�8 Daily Digest. 3949-56 No. 16-Monday, August 1959/Bhadra (Saka) c, 24, 2, 1881 -�· Oral Answer to Questions- .., Starred Questions Nos. 710, 711, 713 to 715, 718 to 723 and 725 to 729. -5( Short Notice Question No. 2 ,;·Written Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 709, 712, 716, 717, 724, 730 to 769 ::·· Unstarred Questions Nos. 1377 and 1379 to r456 ·,o Motions for Adjournment- (r) Hunger-strike by Delhi teachers 4067-73 (2) Indians in Tibet 4073-78 -97 Papers laid on the Table 4078-79 Message from Rajya Sabha 40;9-8o :13 Statement re: Accident to Hoist Chamber at Bhakra 4080-87 ·6o Statement re: Demands for Excess Grants (Himachal Pradesh), 1956-57 4088 Statement re: Demands for Excess Grants (Delhi), 1956-57 4088 <· :..c Statement re: Demands for Supplementary Grants (Kerala), 1959-60 4088 -63 Calling Attention to a Matter of Urgent Public Importance .f:• Reported presence of Chinese Submarines offWest Coast of Kerala 6 ,. Committee on Absence of Members from the Sittings of the House Fifteenth Report 4091 Business of the House 65 4092-93 Kerala Local Authorities Laws (Amedment) Bill Introduced 29 - 4093-94 Demands for Excess Grants 4094-4n6 Statement re: Pay Commission Report 30 4u6-18 Demands for Supplementary Grants 82 4u8-85 �o Central Excises and Salt (Amendment) Bill Motion to consider >8 4186-4210 Daily Digest 42n-18
'l,. 17-Tuesday, August 25, 1959/Bhadra 3, 1881 (Saka) .)ral answers to questions- '-' Starred Questions Nos. 770 to 778, 792, 779, 781, 782, 784, 785, 787, 789, 791, 793 to 796 and 798. 4:i19-6o
Written answers to questions- Starred Questions Nos. 780, 783, 786, 788, 790, 797 and 799 to 810 (\_ Uostarred Questions Nos. 14�·, to 1565 and 1567. 10 Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions : I Forty-eighth Report 4340
& etitions re: ·4
·�t' COLUMNS Correction of Answer to Starred Question No. 496 4341-42 Bills Introduced: (1) Appropriation (No. 4) Bill, 1959 4342 (2) Arpropriation (No. 5) Bill, 1959 4343 (3) Appropriation (No. 6) Bill, 1959 4343 Central Excises and Salt (Amendment) Bill 4344-55 l Motion to consider 4344-50 Clauses 1 and 2 4351 Motion to pass 4351-55 Kerala Local Authorities Laws (Amendment) Bill 4355-71 Motion to consider 4355-70 Clauses 2 to 7 and I 43;0 l Motion to pass 4371 Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Bill- Motion for concurrence 4371-4419 Motion re: Report of Sanskrit Commission 4419-84 Petition-Andhra Pradesh and Madras (Alteration of Boundaries) Bill 4484-86 Daily Digest 4487-94 � No. 18.-Thursday, August 27, 1959/Bhadra 5, r8Sr (Saka) Oral Answers to Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 811 to 820, 828, 821 to 824, 827, 830, 831, 833, 837, 843, 840 and 841 ...... 4495-4534 Short Notice Question No. 3 4534-38 Written Answers to Questions-. Starred Questions Nos. 825, 826, 829, 832, 834 to 836, 838, 839, 842, 844 to 863 3538-55 Unstarrcd Questions Nos. 1568 to 1618 and 1620 to 1671 3<;56--4609 Papers laid on the Table 4609 Petition re. Indian Arms Rules 4610 Bills Introduced- !, Government Savings Bank (Amendment) Bill 4610 2. Government Savings Certificates Bill 4610 ,.. 3. Public Debt (Amendment) Bill 4610-II Bills passed - � I. Appropriation (No. 4) Bill, 1959 4611-12 ·rti .- -J 2. Appropriation (No. 5) Bill, 1959 4612-13 .. 3. Appropriation (No. 6) Bill, 1959 4613-14 f • Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Bill-
Motion for concurrence 4614-59 . ·.;_ Demands for Supplementary Grants (Kerala) 4659-78 Motion re: Fourteenth Report of Law Commission 4678-47.<13 .,... Arrest and Release of Members 4717 Daily Digest 4745-52 No. 19-Friday, August 28, 1959/Bhadra 6, 1881 (Saka)- Orai Answer tos Questions- Starred Questions Nos. 866 to 870, 872 to 874, 876 to 878, 880, 882, 883, 886 to 889, 891 and 892 4753-92 :. .,. Short to 7 · 4792-4809 Notice Questions Nos. 4 --� v COLUMNS Written answers to questions- / Starred questions Nos. 871, 875, S79, �8r, 884, 885, 890 and f:93 to 913 Unstarred questions Nos. 1672 to 1 733 Motion for Adjournment- Situation in India's northern border 4860-73 Papers laid on the Table 4873-74 Correction of Answer to Short Notice Question 4874 Message from Rajya Sabha 4874 Calling Attention to a Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Reported recommendations of the Pay Commission 4875-77 Motion re. Policy of Government in regard to Public Borrowing . 4877-4909 Committee on Private Members, Bills and Resolutions Forty-eighth Report Bills introduced- ( I) The Transport Co-ordination Bill, 1959 by Shri Jhulan Sinha 4910 (2) The Industrial Disputes (Amendment) Bill, 1959 (Amendment of stction 3) by Shri Ram Krishan Gupta 4910 (3) The Co-operative Societies (for Union Territories) Bill, 1959 by Shri Arjun Singh Bhadauria . . . . 491I Code of Criminal Procedure (Amendment) Bill, 1957- (Omission of sections 107, 109 anduo and amendmem of section 161) 4911-34 Motion to consider-negatived States Reorganisation (Amendmmt) Bill, 1958 (Amendment of uction 51) Motion to consider-negatived Mirzapur Stone Mahal (Amendment ) Bill, 1958 (Amendment of section 3) Motion to consider 4978 Business Advisory Committee Forty-second Report 4978 Daily Digest 4979-86
No, 20-Saturday, August 29, 1959/Blzadra7, 18�1 (Sak 3957 3958 LOK SABHA Shri S C. Samanta: May I know to whom this market originally Monday, August 24, 1959/Bhadra 2, belonged, and how it has come to the 1881 (Saka) Central Government? The Lok Sobha met at Eleven of the Shri Anil K Chanda: It has a long* Clock. history behind it Originally, it belonged to a benevolent society [Mb S p e a k e r in the Chair] known as the Military Orphans Society meant for the children leZt behind by British soldiers in Bengal ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS in indigent condition It was started in 1772 It was taken over by the Orpfcangunj Market at Calcutta Government of India, or rather, by T the Secretary of State for India in f Shri Barman: 1866 Since then, it has been in the *710 ^ Shri Subodh Hansda: possession of the Government of India [ Shri S. C Samanta: Shri Barman: The first part of my Will the Minister of Works, Housing question has not been answered I sad 8upply be pleased to state wanted to know whether there had been any latest valuation of the pro- aim 5 — : Yea, « large bujk of Shri Ruths Raman: May I know it is being produced in the rmall- which are the countries that have scale industries sector. • taken advantage of our scheme for 8hri Vldya Chanm Shukla: While textile export promotion, and to what answering a question previously, the extent? hon. Minister had indicated that 7000 Shri Satish Chandra: The textile pairs of shoes were rejected; and it was also stated that these would be export promotion scheme enables our textile mills and exporters of compete supplied after modification to further better m the international market. orders. May I know whether those There is no question of other countries rejected shoes have been included in taking advantage of it. This is for these orders which are being supplied now? our own advantage. Shri Kanango: No, the orders were Shri Damani: May I know how far from other countries. the export of fine and superfine cloth has increased, and if it has not increased, the reasons therefor7 f*FT arr ^ ^ f z Shri Satish Chandra: The hon. Member, as a textile millowner should i, *rr w ^ H know better about those reasons The ‘J greater demand in the international ft-TWR *g?T market is for medium and coarse varieties of cloth from India. Tanzebs v * f m ft i and malmals afe not used in all Cotton Textile Export Promotion foreign countries Scheme Shri Rameshwar TantU: May I *713 Shri Radha Raman: Will the know whether it is a fact that 20 per Minister of Commerce and Industry cent of the imported cotton is allowed be pleased to state: to be used by the exporting mills, and (a) the extent to which the Cotton if so, whether Government would Textile Export Promotion Scheme has consider the question of increasing this borne fruit; allotment so as to give more incen- tive to those mills7 (b) the position of exports during the past three months, and Shri Satish Chandra: 20 per cent is (c) the position of competition with allowed to the mills at the port* and other countries that India has to face? their vicinity; if they are 200 miles outside the port, but within a distance The Deputy Minister of Commerce of 400 miles, then 22 per cent is and Industry (Shri Satish Chandra): allowed, and if the distance is more (a) The scheme has helped to arrest than 400 miles, 25 per cent is allowed and to some extent reverse the decline in the volume of exports noticed Shri Rameshwar Tantia: My ques- during 1958. tion was whether Government would consider the question of increasing (b) There has been improvement in the percentage of imported cotton to textile exports during the period May be used by these mills for exporting to July, 1959 over the corresponding cloth so as to give more incentives to period of 1958. them? (c) India continues to face severe The Minister of Commerce end competition from other exporting Industry (Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri): countries. Only very recently, an increase has 396? Oral A w e * * a u g u s t h v m Ot &A m w * 3904 (M en made, and it will b$ very wrong Shri Satbh Chandra: The present Shri Tyagi: In view of the fact policy has been announced very that quite a few other countries are recently, in fullest consultation with out in the market to compete with our the cotton textiles consultative Board, textile trade in foreign countries, have which has got eminent men from the Government considered the possibility textile industry on it. of switching on the production of fine and superfine cloth to coarse cloth and Shri Morarka: In answer to part trying to see that our markets outside (b) of the question, the hon. Deputy are increased? Minister stated that the exports had improved as compared to last year. Shri Satish Chandra: Markets out- May 1 know the exact extent to side have a demand for medium and Which improvement has taken place9 coarse cloth, not for fine and superfine cloth. Shri Satish Chandra: I said this about the last three months, May, Shri Tyagi: I am suggesting that June and July. We have exact figures the capacity used in India for manu- for the month of May. In that month, facturing such quality of cloth could exports were a little over Rs. 4 crores be switched towards the manufacture as compared to a little less than Rs. 4 of medium cloth so that we can sell crores in the month of May 1958. more of it outside Reports are that in the months of June and July the exports have been Shri Satish Chandra: The present much higher. In the month of July problem is to sell more of our present 1969 the figure is provisional—they output of medium and coarse cloth We have got a surplus of these varie- are expected to have touched th>» figure of 70 million yards as against ties and are trying to find additional S2 million yards in July 1958. markets for the same. Shri S M. Banerjee: The hon Minister just said that there is some fiqr : «srm f r improvement in the export of medium 5«rr 11 w q* arnprr and coarse cloth. May I know whe- ther as a result of this increase in frfffnnwpifrd fsrqftorr export our surplus has been reduced, 4 liff 5«rr $ xpfarr H a itf fig and >f so, to what extent? | m m to m m j rm m s m o m a - ftatNB Cfafidra: Thera are no sxttt tenre«ii*tf*d the allegation Quit w aim l complaints of tfaj» nature. otfr eaperts aw lacing unfair compe- There might have been an individual tition is South-East Asian markets? lapse here or there. These an not H as, wfftt an the naalti of such general complaints. If theae investigation? plaints were there, our exports would Shri Satish Chandra: There has been not show an improved trend, aa they acute competition from China, Japan are doing now. and Hongkong in the South-East Asian Shri 8. M. Baaerjee: The bm. markets. Hie incentive schem is designed to improve our competitive Minister has said that there is now practically no accumulation of cloth. position in those markets. Are Government in a position now to Mr. Speaker*. Since those measures run those mills which were producing were a d o p t e d , how far has the posi- coarse and medium cloth? What *»«t t tion improved? That is the question. are being taken in that direction? ShU Satish Chandra: These mea- Shri Satish Chandra: It hardly sures, as I said just now, were adopt- arises out of this question. ed in the month of May, figures lor Shri S. M. Banerjee: It does. which I have given. The figure for July shows an increase, according to Indians in South Africa provisional figures, of about 20 million yards in one month. *714 ®*® Kriahaa Gupta: Shri Bamaaathan Chettiar: May I ' \ Shri Mohammed Elias: know whether China is a serious Will the Prime Minister be pleased competitor in the field of export of to refer to the reply given to Starred textiles to foreign countries? If bo, Question No. 969 on the eth March, what steps are being taken by Gov- 1959 and state: ernment to meet that competition? (a) whether the South African Gov- Mr. Speaker: That is exactly what ernment have since made any he has been saying in regard to the approach to open negotiations with South-East Asian markets. India and Pakistan mi the treatment of people of Indian and Pakistani Shri Banuuiatlian Chettiar: It is not origin in South Africa; and only in South-East Aslan countries, but in other countries also. (b) if so, when the negotiations are expected to start? Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri: The The Deputy Minister of External Deputy Minister has already answered Affairs (Shrimati Laksluni Menon): those questions. We have taken steps (a) and (b). No, Sir. Of course, China and any other coun- try would like to compete with India. Shri Ram Krbhaa Gupta: In view They also Want to increase their ot the violation of the UH.O. Reso- exports. But we are taking steps and lution by South Africa, have Govern- it seems that there has been a distinct ment made any request to U.N.O. to improvement. We hope the position take action against South Africa? will improve better in future 8hrimati Lakstani Menon: I do not Shrimati Parvathi Krishaan: Is it understand what action the hon. not a fact that one of the reasons why Member contemplates? our textile experts were going down was the complaint that some of the Mr. Speaker: What is the suggestion foods that were being delivered were of file hon. Member? defective tend, therefore, competition Shri Ram Kristian Gupta: In view from other countries came to play a of the violation of the U.N.O. Reso!K»> taato important part? What steps are tion by South Africa, will Govern- being taken to We that the goods we ment urge upon U-N.O. to take action sent out are of an improved quality? 3967 Oral Answer* AUGUST H 1089 QrcCl A m w en against South Africa so that they may SBwi Jawaharial NUwu What approach the Indian and Pakistan matter? There is nothing new la this. Governments to open negotiations on This has been said for years and this matter? years. We are discussing this whole question of these people. What else Skrimatl Iiafcshml Menon: That is are we to bring before the General exactly what we have been doing Assembly7 during the last twelve years. Shri Hem Barua: Is it a fact that Shri Hem Barua: Is it a fact that a specific reply has not been received India has asked for the question of to any of our communications on this the treatment of people of Indian matter? * origin in South Africa to be inscribed on the agenda of the forthcoming Mr. Speaker: Order, order The General Assembly session? If so, Question Hour is not meant for what is the reaction of the Govern- making suggestions ment of South Africa to this proposal Shri Hem Barua: I am not making made by India’ any suggestion The Prime Minister and Minister of Mr. Speaker: I have been noticing External Affairs (Shri Jawaharial that all his three questions are nothing Nehru): I can only presume what the more than suggestions reaction is The reaction is likely to Shri N. R. Muniswamy: With whom be adverse They do not tell us what does the mtiative to open negotiations they feel about it. lie’ Is it with South Africa or with India? Shri Hem Barua: Is it a fact that the Prime Minister of South Africa Shrimati Lakahml Menon: Both the a statement in their Parliament Governments of India and Pakistan recently to the effect that the res- have already requested their respec- ponsibility for the Indians was on the tive High Commissions in London to shoulders of those who were anxious get the South African Government to to take or help them? If so, does it move in the matter After all, nego- mean an open invitation to India to tiations can take place only if the interest herself more and more in the South African Government agrees to affairs of Indians in South Africa’ If it. We are trying our best, but we so, what is the reaction of our Govern- have not received any reply except ment to this statement of the Prime an acknowledgement Minister? Synthetic Rubber Plant in Bareilly Shri Jawaharial Nehru: Presumably, + the South African Government would f Shri S. C. Samanta: very much like all these people of 1 Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: Indian descent—that is, their own Shri Subodh Hansda: national*—to leave South Africa. 1 Shri Bhakt Darshan: tuppose the idea is that they should *715 J Pt Munlshwar Dutt go and others should help them to go Upadhyay: Others are not going to help them to Shri M L Dwivedi: away South African nationals to Shri Mohan Swamp: other countries. It is their duty to Shri Assar: look after them properly \_Shri S. A. Mehdi: Will the Minister ot Commerce and Shri Hem Banu: May I know whe- Indortry be pleased to state: ther in view of this statement, our Government want to bring this mat- (a) the progress made so far in ter specifically before the General As- setting up a synthetic rubber plant sembly for discussion? at Bareilly (U.P.); and 3969 O r# A iu w w BHADRA 2, 1881 (SAKA) Oral Answers 39?0 (b) tbs time by which the plant wiH go into production? «frc ^ ffc#*TT * fW «rwft i The Minister « f bdostrf (Shri MaaaMul Shah): (a) and (b) The Slut Anar: May I know the employ- report of the experts from USA. on ment potential of this project? the feasibility of establishing a Synthe- tic Rubber Project has just been Shri Manobhai Shah: When it goes received The details are under into full production it may employ examination about 3,000 to 5,000 people in all the main and ancillary units Shri 8. C. SaaaaaU: May I know by whom will this plant be set up, Shri S. M. Banerjee: May I know and what is proposed to be the cost’ what will be the capacity of this plant and whether a copy of the expert's Shri Manabbal Shah: That will be report will be placed on the Table of determined after comparing the two the House’ proposals which we have received. About the details of the project, as to Shri Manabhai Sbab: These are all who will do it and in what manner, technical details Generally, we do all these will be subjected to proper not place such reports here on the examination Table The broad features of the scheme will always be available to hon Members who have more interest iwer u f n ■ i w 'q s in this matter They are all more or I fa q? w w f y qjs^ srrsre less technical details, and regarding the financial side it always comes be- * * * ^ KFswta w* fore the House as to what are the M apmTT 3TT I I f^TFIcT VtfT terms of the agreement, what are the methods of payment etc As a mat- *f 9TR5TT 15fT??rT £ fa fSp-T «rfr- ter of fact any agreement with the fiwffcft n *rfr^T?T fa^rr tot ? private sector or with others comes before the House in some form or ^ wr? : inft «Ftf * t «ft w hr: «flr*nr, wrr (w) ^ flair *rcnr | fa «pr v^h h ^wr»rm|r^ ^ Tcfarcr'V *r* *r«rcr w a* *nr armr \ «rr aw* m * -sfirr^r *rwir ^ n : fft tfarrfcft *rar *rwnc m i %, ^ | fa qQn 3971 Oral A tm oer* A W U tW 84, UB| Oral A**wer» 397a i w f i iw rr # amr 1 v*t H t Mtoistei « f fcehabffitattoa m i Minority Affairs ( 8 U Mehr Chaai t o v»wro*r w arrr v vm r $, t o , «t| Khamaa): We are applying only t 20 tfta »f 5ft-ft (a ) whether it is a fact that Govern- 8hri Mehr Chand Khaana: The hon. ment propose to reduce the grants for Member is fully at liberty to make his education of displaced children from own observations But, we have spent Bast Pakistan with a view to ultimate- about Rs 350 crores on relief and ly discontinuing them; rehabilitation of these displaced per- sons who have come into this coun- (b) if so, how they will be reduced try and we have put the cart and the and when they will be discontinued, horse exactly in the same position as they ought to be (c) the reasons for reducing and discontinuing them; 'and Mr. Speaker: Why should the hon Member want that even after the 25th (d) what alternative arrangements year we should start with the infant will be made for displaced children standard’ That is very curious. The whose parents or guardians are un- child must come up as early as pos- able to meet the educational expenses sible from their own resources? Shri Hem Barua: But in the state- The Parliamentary Secretary to the ment it is there that it is to assimilate Minister ot Rehabilitation and Mino- them into the normal population rity Affairs (Shri P. S. Naskar): (a) to (d). A statement is laid on the Mr. Speaker: Hon Members will Table of the Sabha. [See Appendix bear m mind not to put questions III, annexure No 2]. which involve an opinion or a hypo- thetical issue but only to elicit facts (Interruption). Shri Dasaratha Deb: What was the amount that was sanctioned for the Shri Vajpayee: May I know what Union territory of Tripura for the cur- arrangements are being made in re- rent financial year? gard to students belonging to the Union territories? Will they be help- Shri P. S. Naskar; For the current ed by the Education Ministry or by year the amount sanctioned is Rs 3*21 the Rehabilitation Ministry? lakhs. Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: The posi- Shri Dasaratha Deb: How many tion is this. We started the scheme Refugee students ar» going to be roundabout 10 or 12 yean agn. And, affected by the adoption of this up t|ll now wc have been spending scheme’ at the rate o t about Rs. 80 tal&s a 3979 A nsw ers BRAXtttA 2, 1881 (SAKA) Oral Answers 3974. jwt* it the dap * of relief grants to possible to simplify the pfecadure and students in the eastern region About cut down delays A statement show- 9 yew* ago we took » decision that if ing some of the steps taken recently thti population is to be assimilated in to simplify the procedure and cut the normal population of the country down delays in the issue of licences and if the nomenclature D P as such la laid on the Table of the Sabha has to become non-existent we should [See Appendix III, annexure No 3] apply gradual cuts And, we have started applying a gradual cut of 20 Shri Vldya Charan Shukla: The hon. par cent this year The idea is that Minister stated that he was m favour this gradual cut wffl be applied till of imposing a tune limit for the dis- the whole amount tapers off posal of import licence applications. In the measures indicated in the state- Shri Vajpayee: My question was ment we do not find mention of any tihis According to the statement the such proposal. May we know the responsibility is bemg transferred »o specific reasons why that proposal has the State Government I want to been dropped9 know what will happen in the Union territory. Shri Kanungo: These steps which have been taken will cut down the Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: In the time limit, that is all. Union territory we have the direct responsibility Shri Vldya Charan Shukla: The Union Minister had indicated that he W8S in favour of imposing a time limit so that withm that time limit the con- g f«r sSF«?TTfT * cerned import licence applications 3ft §fiR*5r f t 3TRft wrr should be disposed of I want to know fmpnr 3 v t mx fa n $ ’ specifically why this proposal has been dropped •ft WHT wsn *r Shri Kannngo: It has not been dropped, because all these steps will HT5RT Alagspt a Textiles steps other than asking the Board «< + Directors to take steps? m . J Shri N u vaau k attr Meaoa: Shri Kaanngo; Under the law fee (_ Shri Punnoose: company has to take steps and not Will the Minister of Commerce and the Government Indaatrjr be pleased to refer to the Khadi Industry reply given to Starred Question No 1889 on the 18th April, 1959, and state. *1*1 / Shri AJit Singh Sarhadi: ’ \ Shri Vajpayee: B*. one crore worth of doth wu be- Dr. SuAUa Nayar: Is it a tact that Iftg produced. During the current the hidden subsidy given to the textile /M r , production h u reached Rs. 9 mills in various forms and shapes crores, comes to much more than the subsidy given to khadi? Shri Vajpayee: May I know if the Government can give u> an idea as to Blurt JWannbhat Shah: That is pre- how long it will take for the indus- cisely what I was saying a few try to stand on its own legs without minutes back: in our economy differ- receiving subsidy from the Govern- ent sectors of technological progress ment? have to be protected from various types of competition. It is in the Shri Maiwbhal Shah: As it is, all social interest. It is not as if it ia the de-centralised industries have in done for doctrinaire or dogmatic view. one way or the other got to be given Mr. Speaker: The point is whether a little shelter against very big and subsidy or help is given. organised industries in the same way as we are giving big industries pro- Shri Manubhai'Shah: I do admit the tection against foreign competition. It hon. Member’s inference that fhe is a question of socio-'economics. textile industry, organised industry Social growth will take place to the has been given protection. It was extent that production will increase declared protected in 1930 or there- and we will have more and more about and it continued to be protect- higher instruments of production as ed till only recentlv. Even now the compared to these rattier crude or import of foreign cloth is totally ban- less technically developed Instruments ned which itself is a great protection as the economy advances. to the organised textile industry. Dr. Sushila Nayar: Apart from the •ft i f i w faif ^ srm r ^Tp?nr protection, I referred to the subsidy jj fip sntf «rr Pr p t t given in various forms, in transport, in various purchases; in a number of JOT «TT # * * * % f%?fS|T ways, the textile industry has been f W f ? w ^jf*T5iR T f T H helped considerably. wim x # Hfnrarr fr | 7 Shri Manubhal Shah: There are no direct grants or aid as such- The hon. ^ «ft w n i mg : a fwm lady Member is right in saying that aw *ro? Rrtwr jvr for modernisation and rehabilitation of textile industry, liberal loans at «tt, wtftftavshcnrq v rather not very high rates of interest but at the normal rates or a little less *prtt 5 » anjf enp w ftrtt *r than the normal rates are given. There are no other direct grants and subsidies. $rt^rraiTm|» % ^rrc: snrm nar n r forr 3trtt | 1 aft frgfir ftw : v srcw ’tram ?f^r fm m f , fantf v, vnretf v, ^nfisraT srrar *R ^ wnwt W r r i ? m qrrcnr 3ft v m •tctt *n??n 3w5t errata fa t an# qft ifan $ 1 G tfpflr *rm sf^f |, f^RPft *T?r I % imftarRfrf 1 «n ^rre v sftftf f i fiw «wrwrt?am * ^ » n f 5n^[ ??r ?iT5 v w f 3tftn»nft ( t i t m y n i wur) (%) ^ The Depaty N U ittr of Labour geparately to r different cl<— ■ ot (M X Abid AH): Details of the pro- ^rorkety? This pertains to worker* in posed legislation have since been truuport There will be .others hav- finalised and it is hoped that the B<11 ing other functions afeo. Will there will be introduced during the next pe a Bill for each class of workers Session of the Parliament. separately? Shri Ram Kristian Gupta: May 1 Shri Abid All: This Bill will cover know whether Government have con- transport workers, mostly who are sidered the point of view of the engaged in public carriers. workers’ representatives; if «o, how far it will be met while framing this Bill’ The Minister of Labour and Employ- jBMt and Wanning (Shri Nania): Shri Abid All: A committee was ■fhis question, whether every category appointed in which workers' represen- jS going to be covered, will depend tatives were also invited to partici- tipon whether there are special condi- pate. Certainly, their point of view tions for which legislation is called for has been given full consideration. •fhere are pieces of legislation cover- ing different types of workers. Re- Shri S. M Banerjee: May I know garding the question about the what will be the salient features of delay, it has been pointed out that this legislation? {he provisions have been finalised, and Shri Abid All: I would request the pll the time that is being taken now je in the process of drafting the legis- hon. Member to have a little more patience till the Bill is introduced lation Shri S. M Banerjee: What are the Shri K. N. Pandey: As there are broad features? other factories where tliere are trans- Mr Speaker: He cannot give their port departments, may I know whe- now. ther this Bill will cover those em- ployee*: who are working m the Shri T. B Vittal Rao: May I know transport departments of different whether m the note circulated to the industries’ consultative members of the Ministry of Transport and Communications it is Shri Abid Ali: This will cover stated that transport workers m the workers who are engaged m vehicles city will have to put m a work of 48 which are public carriers. With hours a week or 8 hours per day7 regard to workers who are not engag- Shri Abid All: All the points of ed in this particular section we will view which were placed before the have also to give some consideration Committee were given due considera- and think whether they can be tion. governed by other enactments; if not, what should be done about them. Shri T. B. Vittel Bao: May I know why there is so much delay in enact- Shri S M. Banerjee: May I know ing this legislation, when we were whether this legislation will cover all told a few days ago that it is await- the workers both in the public sector ing the Cabinet’s approval? and the private sector, and whether the approval ot the Cabinet has been Shri AMd All: As I have submitted obtained? earlier, the Bill is being finalised and ii will be introduced in the next Shri Abid Ali: All those who are session. engaged in the transport industry, as Shri Tyagl: Is it the intention of I said earlier, for public carriers will the Government to enact legislation be covered. £0*5 Ansuters BHADRA 2, 1881 Hr. Speaker Public carrier* may be in the public sector and private «ftt w t w «nft w wwr sector also. «1ww («ft W« *W>) : WTOT ftp 8 W Anthony PiUai: Do Govern- % ftrarr awT srak v ?fk ment propose to consult the Standing 'rc vr 3^Tg?r \< Labour Committee before introducing the legislation in this House? fira*af< U M ^ W r r i $ vi’fow w 0 t wit fNr i Shri Abid All: The Standing Labour Committee has been consulted twice in the matter; it is not proposed to «ft wwi : «ft«rar, fw ft *nr consult it again. W WOT W mspftW »Tft # TO 5TFT w ^ 5TT fifOT «TT ?W *T fa *JT «ft v m v fa : sftafy W fWRT w «rtt vw srr wr?»TT \ wfanr **** & w r fff sttet SPT «TH TSTT 3TT T^T | fa WOT POT *iwfV '>fT'^rr srram w t w wri t o qW ^ Rwt r a $ < * f $ i w ot 1 f a vi aft ^rt «; m n »rnPr vfo i *mx Wwsrr w k swrrew *nft(tr* * z v < ) : wwri «p?t w i ?ft ^ %t wrr tf5nft w w r ^ ftw w%5r ffrn, TOfaw ^ * *tw «f *ri # ww feft ^ m **r v m *rm, «wrr t o wwr finj *tt *rft irgta- finjfir f*ro «wr ?nr sqft f t t ^ fa anr SfMtarc f*F ftv tt afr^fr^z v m t ** ? «rr ■faff anw ?ft *TT fojSft ¥ 4 «relt5e It wkt ?rgt ’ W« ftr« 5T*ft ll^t ^t •ft fryint 1T5 at sms#* ^ fa zf^rfaaR Irt *phw *t V 5TT^ *! *TT I 3RWft % W IW> ?ft * anFHT ^gsfr f f a 'ft 5fhlT V9TV^ i[ Ro w ^ «TT# # t^ft ftrWW 5 fapT^t ^31^ It HTTTT rn t «tt i*rrft anrft 1 *( jn T*T JUT t t o t * •ft fogfit far . tram ^WHT^ g lTg I vft *r»ft «ft * *eren*n ft? * €Mlf> *f ap srnpr t * *; WH •ft arPJ!»ft : * | t # sn^W *fr t wt ftfre % •ft ftnjfir faw . A « n w snprr p, *r srtf qroT t • fv wr q* >1# $ ft? w rm # ?»o •ft vrvnit. # h vt trr^r *TT V*« WRftf, *T Shri Kanungo: It is not the reason, The Minister of Commerce and because our import of jute is severely Industry (Shri Lai Bahadur Shaatri): restricted The hon. Member Is aware of the steps taken by Government in the last Shri Barman: May I know whether season and he knows that after a long the STC is still continuing to purchase gap of time w« decided to export raw jute or has it given it up, and what jute and the STC took upon itself the is the total quantity that it has pur- responsibility of exporting the raw chased up till now? jute which was purchased in Bihar and other States. We are keeping Shri Kanungo: As I replied to the in close touch with the present situa- other question, I have not got the tion and there is no cause for worry. figures of the export or of the pur- I would like to inform Shri Tantia chases for export with me just now. that very recently, the Indian Jute 186 (Ai) LSD-2. 3991 OraI A ru w ert AUGUST 24, 1999 OralA n n im t 3999k Mills Association decided to unseal Shri Manubhai Shah: Already we per cent of looms. Only 10 per cent have considered applications for 11 will now remain sealed and 2} per “ hits and we are going to encourage cent more will be released. It will "tore, provided the resources for the help in the consumption of raw Jute rtw material are there in a laifeer quantity and I hope Shri Bibhuti Mishra also will have no Shri Damanl: May I know whether complaint because there will be more *He Government is going to fix or re- and n m purchases in Bihar region serve some quality of paper for such ae well. uhits and earmark certain qualities *^r bigger units7 Snail Paper Mills in Madras State *7*8. Shri Damanl: Will the Minis- Sbrl Mannbhal Shah: This question ter of Commerce and Industry be hardly arises, because we do not want pleased to refer to the reply given to *hy sub-standard paper to be produc- Starred Question No. 1657 on the 3rd ed by any factory whether large or April, 1859, and state: staall In this case also the quality ''►ill be as rigid as others (a) whether negotiations have been finalised for setting up small paper Shri Kamanatlian Chettiar: May f mills in Madras State; and know whether any financial assistance ^ill be given by the Centre to the (b) if so, the details thereof? ' ‘nail units as in bigger units’ The Minister of Industry (Shri Shri Manubhai Shah: There is no Mwrabhat Shah): (a) and (b). One Question of financial assistance except scheme for the setting up of a paper a little more liberal attitude in licens- mill at Udamalpet, in Madras with a Mg We are trying to give them some capacity of 5 tons per day has been "lore technical help and more and licensed under the Industries Act "lore facilities for import of plant and Their proposals for the import of Machinery machinery required for the scheme are under consideration of the Govern- ment. Shri Morarka: May I know the total number of schemes which have been Shri Damanl: May I know what is s,ibmitted to the Government for ap- the total requirement of capital and Poval and how many out of those what kind of paper is going to be themes have so far been approved produced by this unit9 and what is the criterion applied by ^ e Government in approving any Shri Manubhai Shah; This unit is a ^heme’ small unit with a capacity of five to ten tons per day For the present Shri Manubhai Shah: As far as the the capital will be about Rs 20 to 30 Slnall units are concerned, about 11 lakhs. ^ave been approved Three to four are pending Actually, the criterion Shri Damanl: May I know how fai t()day, as m all industries, is foreign the cost of production of such a small exchange Therefore, we are trying unit is comparable to the cost of pro- see that in this country itself we duction of a bigger unit7 Manufacture all paper machinery I Shri Mannbhal Shah: It is very am glad to inform the House that we comparable. In some cases it will be are moving towards the formation, in lower for certain varieties. tl,e same wav as in the sugar industry, °f a consortium of paper machinery Shri Damanl: May I know whether Manufacturers. So, within the next the Government is going to grant such lWo or three years, practically, big, licences for erecting small units in Medium and small plants are to be other States as well? Manufactured in India. Owl A m u n n BHADRA 2, 18*1 (SAKA) Oral Annoert tor ; R w im p tftr’flrnfffcrtffcrrtf *$ wismfr,ISr Np r * . o «-?<» ^ | ^ srawt «n*r S snp* % enrtf «rtft *ft # vift | * gq wot irvRfe fcr $f wn*r *rt finr forfir *t % fa t T O T f t f«n* T#r$’ ^TTJTfWf •— ®ft v p n f B ij *^<» («t) in xn x W w Shri Manubhai Shah: I thought we were on a different question. This is w<*r W f fr htot wnnr v tp m r Question No. 729 As far as this ques- tion is concerned, four more factories have been licensed The production wihr *Wt (*ft *ry*nf m & ). in the current year also has been looking up very much, and within the (w) ft ( v ) . ^ fiwr«r*prrift*ftr*TC next two or three or four years we t w arwr t i will have surplus for export 3995 Oral A nsw ers AUGUST 24, 1MI Ortl iM M fi 3996 Shrimati MaMa Ahmed: I find that the reply given in the statement is incomplete. Nothing has been men- xftK *Wf % jfK *t 4kw fWr tioned in answer to parts (a) and (b) 5^ VnTRrVT^r«(TT vWro of the question The answer covers I only part (c) of the question. Will the hon. Minister inform the House •ft f i i f : *rnww era# regarding the first part’ % S * f 5T WTWT ^ < 4 l'4Trft ft Shri Manubbal Shah: It is already t # * 3TR5IT n rp rr f far e r a * % mentioned. The shortage of giant m*r^ 3 5*nft ^ ^fajfinpft w wr tyres particularly in the size 9.00-20 has been of a marginal nature 5tam*ft? Because of a little scarcity in this particular size of tyres, some prices •ft vjmf wij. pirn imr at one stage did shoot up, but the tftr swra15ft fjrot steps which we have already taken Pk?tl ^ | fa> yvftvr ^t W have all kept the price and the S.T.C., 5 as I said before the hon House last 3 ^JT ^ *t ?ft *TFT *r* week, is trying to import 100 thousand anraft ^ ^Rftsrft «rr t# $ giant tyres. The announcement itself ^t *FF 5P1% * *, % has brought down the prices consider- ably, and as soon as the stocks arc *r£t% apt ^ft ?PT 3TR I aft 4>Edtl^V received, much more reduction in 9rn^Nr farjrr ^ -swr 5*r wr(ra*sft prices will take place ft ?rft s* fajrffr ^t SR I •ft w* s® wrfr* • ipft Shri Ajlt Singh Sarhadi: May I know % 'for far for jftS^T'T sqTCT what is the disparity between the pro- ^ % fin? "frw f rft t duction m India and the total demand7 STRICT WTT f 3far *T Shri Manubhai Shah: Our assess- ¥T*T 'Tift jftcTT ?TT ment of shortfall is about 35 thousand VjtfT SFCT ffaft % farrr to 40 thousand tyres, but we are try- ing to import 100 thousand tyres of yn yr Tift £ ’ giant size oi variety which has sub- stantially depressed the current market in regard to prices, and as soon as : *3 )^° " fd the stocks arrive, further reduction ^ i . will take place ^ j * * £ r* L i- £ *•*’■<} Shri Viswanatha Reddy: May I know whether the tyre companies them- (JJ* 1**1^. £* yjf selves have recommended to the Gov- ernment or suggested to them a scheme 0 *i* of rationing of tyres to all the ^5 I—C«l> <_i>j important consumers and if such a suggestion has been made, may I know Ji „f I j.yS JifVS what is the reaction of the Govern- ment’ ? Jf yS Shri Manubhai Shah: The tyre com- aft wn$; ^ panies themselves have not made any suggestion One of the users’ associa- fanr srr Tfr 1 1 tpir srrcr ar«r£ srer tion in Delhi did make a suggestion. *pfl4 arr k wm ftRnfr The suggestion is impracticable and. O ral A nsw ers BHADRA 2, 1861 (SAKA) Oral Answers 399s wrttl also load to more trouble than which every hon. Member knows aa otherwise. The only way is to a more popular brand and that is also increase the supply, which we are from tradition. I might say from doing. technical experience and analysis that all the tyres made in India are of the Shri Daljtt Singh: In view of the high quality As a matter of fact, in fact that tyres are being sold at very one of the international surveys high rates, may I know whether recently the Indian tyres w ere report-' Government would consider issuing edly proved to be much more sturdy permits for tyres for transport and because of the tropical climate in this truck unions, to check this black- country as compared to other coun- marketing? tries. Shri Manubhai Shah: That is exactly what we have said m our import Shri C. K Bhattanharyya: May I policy, that if the organised operators, draw your attention to one fact, Sir? particularly the State undertakings Out of 21 questions answered today, which are many in the country, come as many as 14 go to the Ministry of forward, we will give them direct Commerce and Industry. Hie result import licences, so that that part of is, that practically the Question Hour rising of pnoes is completely avoided is monopolised by one Ministry and questions relating to all the other Shri Joachim Alva: Has the Minis- Ministries practically go unanswered. try surveyed the pressing needs of certain special areas like Kashmir, Mr. Speaker: it cannot be avoided where tyres get worn out withm three The Commerce Ministry is one of the months and where the vehicular traffic most important Ministries Our coun- is very very high on account of our try is trying to progress industrially defence needs7 Has the Ministry done and commercially So, if hon. Mem- anything to give relief to the lorry bers want time to be devoted for the consumers of tyres there, because they other Ministries, let them pass a reso- cost them in the black-market Rs 1,500 lution and I will do li£e that. As a as against Rs 300 actual price9 matter of fact, I am disallowing a number of questions and trying to Shri Manubhai Shah: I am glad the restrict the number hon Member has raised this point We have not received any particular Shri C. K. Bhattacharya: My humble request from Kashmir We received suggestion to you, Sir is that there a request from Assam and we sent may be a better distribution of ques- them a good amount of tyres, which tions relieved the situation there If we Mr. Speaker: Wherever the Com- find a similar situation exists in merce Ministry may be put, it will Kashmir, we shall certainly be pre- have the largest number of questions pared to send them more tyres on that day Sardar Iqbal Singh: Is it a fact that 12 hrs. even the imported tyres are selling in the black market7 Sh o r t N o t ic e Q u e s t io n Shri Mannbhal Shah: That does not Elections In Kerala arise here + f Shri Run Kriahan Gapta: Sardar Iqbal Singh: May I know 2. ^ Shri Shree Narayan Baa: whether the Ceats tyres imported in j^Shri Hariah Chandra Mathnr: this country are also selling in the Will the Minister of Law ba black market7 pleased to state: fori Mannbhal Shah: As I said, (a) whether it is a fact that the generally it is only a particular variety Election Commission of India havw 3999 ° r t l AUGUST 24, 1959 W rtttm A r t e m * * * received any representation with the parties in Kerala have Itmisnleil regard to the revision of electoral intensive revision before the elections rolls in the State of Kerala; are conducted? (b) if so, the nature of such repre- Shri A. K. Sea: Yes; I think all the sentations received; parties have demanded that the elec- (c) the decision taken with regard toral rolls be revised as intensively as to the revision of electoral rolls; possible It transpires that in many of the constituencies, scrutiny by (d) how long it would take to com- house to house check has not beea plete the finalisation of electoral rolls; followed ever since 1952 or 1959. (e) whether the question of draw- Shri Jiaachaadraa: May I know ing programmes for election in the whether there has been a suggestion State has been considered; and to introduce identity cards for the voters’ (f) if so, the nature of decision taken in this respect? Shri A. HL Sen: I do not think any such suggestion has been made with The Minister of Law (Shri A. K. regard to Kerala Sen): (a) Yes, Sir Shri B. C. Kamble: May 1 know (b) The representations were to the' the grounds on which revision of effect that all electoral rolls were un- electoral rolls has been urged in the satisfactory *and should be thoroughly representations9 revised before the general election in the State is called. Shri A. K. Sen: The ground is that they are not perfect and there are (c) The Election Commission has many errors in the electoral rolls ordered that the electoral rolls of all the constituencies m that State should Shri Achar: May I know from whom be intensively revised as expeditiously the main complaints have come and as possible the nature of the complaints’ (d) It is expected that it would be Shri A. K. Sen: From all the pat ties. possible to complete this work by the end of December, 1959 WRITTEN ANSWERS TO Shri Narayanaakatty Menon: May (b) it so, the reason therefor? I know whether it is not a fact that the electoral rolls in most of the con- The Deputy Minister of falwiar stituencies in Kerala were drawn up (Shri AMd AU): (a) Yes, a number as far back as 1955 and whether all of posts. fffW W y ittt* A im n r t BHAPBA 2, 1881 (SAKA) W ritten. Answers 4002 (b) Non-availability of suitable duction of bristle fibre. This sugges- candidate!, llw Scales of pay have tion has been forwarded to the State recently been revised and the posts Governments for their consideration. are being readvertised. Ground Glass for Window Panes Development Work la Kirtinagar •717. Shri Pangarkar: Will the Minister of Commerce and Industry •712. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the be pleased to state: Minister of Rehabilitation and Mino- (a) whether any attempt has been rity Affairs be pleased to refer to the made to manufacture ground glass in reply given to Starred Question No India for window panes, 1281 on the 16th March, 1859, and state the further progress made so (b) whether any foreign collabora- far m completing the development tion has been sought therefor; and work in Kirtinagar Colony set up by (c) if so, the nature of the scheme? the Rehabilitation Housing Corpora- The Minister of Industry (Shri tion7 Manubhai Shah): (a) to (c). The The Minister of Rehabilitation and manufacture of ground glass used Minority Affairs (Shri Mehr Chand for window panes te. sheet glass has Khanna): All essential work except been well developed in the country. a portion of sewerage work is com- There are at present foui factories plete. The incomplete part of sewer- which manufacture sheet glass Two age is likely to be completed by the of these firms are working with foreign end of the current year. collaboration One new scheme for the manufacture of sheet glass m collabo- Bristle Coir Fibre ration with a foreign firm is under ronsidc ration of Government *716. Shri Shivananjappa: Will the Minister of Commerce and Industry Salt Works on the Coast of Sauraahtra be pleased to state and Kuteh (a) whether it is a fact that recent- *724. Shri Khimji: Will the Minis- ly a bristle coir fibre expert studied ter of Commerce and Industry be th»' condition of fibre m Mysore State pleaded to state .md suggested ways and means of fully utilising it, and (a) whether it is a fact that due to severe gale, cyclonic heavy storm and (b) if so, whether the Coir B o?ii unusual high tide on or about the 24th has taken steps to utilize this fibre Mu> 1959, the salt works on the coast for manufacturing purposes7 of Saurashtra and Kutch have suffer- The Minister of Industry (Shri ed heavy losses; Manubhai Shah)- (a) and (b) A statement is given below (b) if so, the extent of such losses; and Statement (c) whether any assistance from the Government have no information Salt Cess Fund m the form of '.whether a bristle fibre expert studied subsidy and/or loan is contemplated7 the conditions of fibre in Mysore State The Minister of Industry (Shri However, a delegation appointed b / Manubhai Shah): (a) and (b). Iht Coir Board had made a study of Reports of such losses have been re- the possibilities of developing mattress ceived The extent of the losses is and bristle fibre industry in cocorut being assessed producing States, including Mysore, and it had recommended the establish (c) It is 4he policy of Government ment of pilot plants by the State Gov- to grant relief in such cases by way emments in these States for the pro- of grants and loans, according to the 4003 Written A nsw ers AUGUST M, 1980 Written A n sto trt 4004 circumstances of the cue, particular- ther progress made in implemen- ly in cues of small salt works. ting the recommendations ia the Report of the survey undertaken iJlWI to study the deleterious effect on the health of workers in rayon factories? * v \ » . «ft rafeft: fur wftsiw f t The Deputy Minister of Labour Urn niln *r*t it? f^r (Shri Abid All): It is for the State fc: Governments to implement the recom- mendations. w * (v) wr ^ t ft? fts*ft The State Governments of Andhra ffcra wtaraT % («) whether the arrears on account of the Award of the AU India Indus- e( due* have been paid to the workers, trial Tribunal (Colliery Disputes) and regarding the supply of footwear to coal mine workers drawing Rs 100' (d) if so, the amount paid so far9 per month and less has been imple- f l u Deputy Minister of Labour mented, and (Shri Abld AU): (a) Not yet (b) the steps Government propose to (b) Does not arise take for effective implementation of (c) and (d) A sum of about the same7 Rs 73,200 on account of arrears of wages and bonus was paid to the The Deputy Minister of Labour workers as a result of persuasive (Shri Abld A ll): (a) 33,840 workmen efforts of the Officers of the Indus- employed in coal mines have since trial Relations Machinery been supplied footwear, out of a total number of about 2*65 lakhs entitled to> Cats In Hindi Films the same *7*4. Shri C. K. Bhsttacharyya: Will the Minister of Information and Broad- (b) Appropriate action will be taken easting be pleased to state concerning the employers, who have (a) whether cuts have been ordered not supplied footwear to workers, in some Hindi films on the ground of who are willing to meet 50 per cent obscene and objectionable scenes in cost thereof those films, (b) whether certificates given by the Central Board of Film Censors to Increase in the Bate of Contribution lour of these films for Universal ex- of Provident Fund hibition have been ordered to be con- verted to certificates for restricted ex- f Shri N. R. Muniswamy: hibition (“adults only” ), *736 J Shrl VaJw e*: * l Shri L. Achaw Singh: (c) whether attention of the mem- I Shri Anthony Filial: bers of the Central Board of Film Censors has been drawn to these orders, and Will the Minister of Labour and Employment be pleased to refer to the (d) whether the members oi the leply given to Unstirred Question Board have been requested to be No 281 on the 6th August, 1959 and more careful in future in approving state films and m giving them certificates for unrestricted exhibition’ (a) whether any difficulties have The Minister of Information and been brought to the notice of Govern- Broadcasting (Dr. Keskar): (a) to ment by the industries as to their in- (c) Yes, Sir ability to increase the rate of provi- (d) It is proposed to have a talk dent fund contribution from 6 } to with the Board during its coming 8-1/3 per cent, and meeting in Delhi regarding this ques- tion (b ) whether any action has been taken to overcome those difficulties7 Sapp!? of Footwear to Coal Mine Workers The Deputy Minister of Labour *715. Shri T. & Vittal Bao: Will (Shri Abid A ll): (a) Yes the Minister of U b e u and Bnpley- M S t be pleased to state (b) The matter is under considera- (•) the extent to which Para 824 tion 4 0 0 7 W ritten A m w iti AUGUST 24, 2*89 W r itfn AwtMti *r0« Broadcasts of Sanskrit tw m u The Minister of tod t ry (tturi Manubhai Shah): (a) Yes, Sir; but the •737. Shri Am t : WiU the Minister of Information and Broadcasting be location has been subsequently *v*~| ed from Rayagada to Kesinga et pleased to state: Arm’s own request. (a) whether it is fact that there is (b) M/s Straw Products Ltd., Cal- a demand from some institutions for cutta broadcasting lessons in Sanskrit from All India Radio; and (c) The plant machinery have yet to (b) if so, the reaction of Govern- be installed but the capacity licensed ment thereto? is 18,000 tons of paper and 21,600 tons of pulp per annum The Minister of Information and Broadcasting: (Dr. Keskar): (a) Yes, Manufacture of Drags Sir *740. Shrimati Da Palohoudhvi: (b) At present Sanskrit lessons are Will the Minister of Commerce aad broadcast from the Madras, Tiruchi, Industry be pleased to state: Hyderabad and Vijayawada Stations of All India Radio as part of their (a) whether it is a fact that Gov- school broadcasts, but in view of the ernment propose to set up a Corpora- very limited audience for them it is tion for manufacture of drugs and not at present proposed to start Sans- pharmaceuticals with Russian col- krit lessons for the general listeners laboration; (b) if so, the brief details of the Trade with China proposal; and •7S8. Shri Aurobindo Ghosal: Will (c) when it is likely to be finalised? the Minister of Commerce and Indus- try be pleased to state. The Minister of Industry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) to (c). As (a) whether it is a tact that the already stated in the House in reply imports from China are increasing and to Starred Question No. 7 on 3rd the exports are going down; and August, 1959, Government have decid- (b) if so, the reasons therefor7 ed to proceed further wilh the setting up of the drugs projects. The ques- The Deputy Minister of Commerce tion of setting up a corporation to and Industry (Shri Satish Chandra): administer the drug projects is under (a) and (b) A statement is laid consideration. on the Table of the House ISee Chawki system for the supply of Silk Appendix III, annexure No 4 ] Worm 8eeds Paper Mill in Bayagada (Orissa) *741. Shri Shankaralya: WiU the Minister of Commerce and Industry *739. Shri Sauganna: Will the Minis- be pleased to state: ter of Commerce and Industry be (a) whether it is a fact that the Cen- pleased to state. tral Silk Board have decided to intro- duce the “Chawki" system of supply (a) whether it is a fact that per- of silk worm seeds instead of the mission has been accorded to set up a paper mill m the Rayagada Taluk of seeds; Koraput District (Orissa), (b) what would be additional cost of difference between the two systems (b) if so, to whom the permission of supply of seeds; and has been accorded; and (c) whether any subsidy is give* (c) what is the installed capacity of to the Co-operative Societies or sup- -the proposed paper mill? plier* of Chawki in Mysore State? Written A n tw e r t BHADRA 2, 1B81 (SAKA) Written Aiuiptn 4010 Vm ~------* r * Indwrtry (Shri Tea Expects M wWHtl Bhtk): (•) Y « , Sir. /S h r i F. C. Barooah: \Shrimatt Maflda Ahmed: (b) Approximately ft*, t per 100 Will the Minister of Conaiem and disease tree layings. Industry be pleased to Btate: (c) Not yet (a) whether Government are aware that there has been a fall in tea ship- ment by 50 million sterlings upto the OsvmuMBt Medical Stores Depots, 31st May, 1959 this year; and Madias and Bombay (b) if so, the steps taken by Gov* / Shri Anthony Filial: eminent to arrest the fall in tea \ Shri L Achaw Singh: exports’ Will the Minister of Labour and The Deputy Minister of Comnena Employment be pleased to state- and Industry (Shri Satish Chandra): (a) Exports of tea during the first five months of 1959 were lower than those (a) whether any tontnbutions to for the corresponding period in 195S the Employees’ Stat*> Insurance by about 45*5 million lb:. Exports In Scheme were deducted from the June, 1959 have however recorded an wages of workers employed m the increase of 5 million lbs. over the Government Medical Store Depots at despatches made in the same month Bombay and Madras: in 1958 (b) whether they were subsequent- (b) In view of this improvement ly refunded to all the employees on in export trends, reliance is proposed their being exempted from the scope to be placed on orthodox export pro- of the Employees’ State Insurance motion measures The earlier decline Scheme, and is attributed to seasonal factors, more particularly of non-availability of (c) if not, the reasons therefor? sufficient stocks of the quality com- monly m demand m the export markets Tba Deputy Minister of Labour (b) Employees’ conti iLutions in the f Shri P. K. Deo: case of the Government Medical \ Shri B. C Prodhan: Stores Depot, Madras were refunded by the Depot to its employees con- Will the Minister of Commerce and cerned Tins amount was not receiv- Industry be pleased to state: ed by the Corporation (a) whether typewriters are manu- factured m India; (c) The Government Medical Stores Depot, Bombay, was exempted from the operation of the ES.I. Act (b) if so, in which language-scripts, with effect from 31st March, 1957 employees’ contributions for the (c) the names of the firms which penod prior to the date of exemption r.->anufacturc such typewriters, and were duly deducted from their wages and paid to the Corporation. Sine* (d) whether any facilities have the Act does not permit such refunds been provided to any private indi- the relative amount cannot be refund- vidual for the manufacture of type- ed. writers in Oriya script? 401 x Written A iu w ett AUGUST 2«, 19M Written A n sw trt 401& Bm Mini—i t of iadustry (Shri Vityas afenftui MimMmJ Shah): (a) Y n . Or. ♦Ml Shri S. A. BMMtt: Will the (b) and (c). In English, Hindi, Minister *747. Shri Kedlyan: Will the Minis- The Minister of Commerce (Shri ter of Works, Boosing and Supply be Kftanago): (a) Yes, Sir; in Andaman pleased to state: Islands only. (a) whether the suggestion made by (b) A statement is laid on the Table the Delhi Citizens Forum to set *ip of the House rSee Appendix III, an- an autonomous Housing Board for nexure No. 51 giving a fillip to housing activities m the Capital has been considered by (e) An exploratory trial scheme has Government; and been sanctioned by the Ministry of Home Affairs at a cost not exceeding (b) if so, whether any decision has Rs. 1,31,700. Necessary action to b u s taken in *>»<■ regard? recruit staff for implementing the ^■bmi la being taken by the Anda- Hie Depagy Minister of Works, rtfmry Administration ^ consultation Bowing aad Supply (Shri Aail M- with the Ministry of Home Affairs. Chanda): (a) and (b) The suggestae 40*3, V r ttu n A n tw trs BHADRA 2, 1881 (gAKA) Written Answer* 4014 mtd0 by tfaa Fortun has been noted. hours, a POK patrol led by head con. It may take quite wmt time yet, stable Iskander Xhan approached our before a decision is taken in the police picquet at Bandi, about 4 miles aiitter. South-east of Tithwal and about 900 yan)s on our side of the Cease-fire Machinery Manufacturers Corpora- line. tka, Calcutta (b) and (c). On being challenged •14t f Bbri A. K. Gopalaa: *\ Shrimati Parrathi Krishnan: by bur sentry, the POK patrol opened fire. Our post also fired 2 rounds in Will the Minister of Commerce and return. At this stage one of the POK Industry be pleased to state: men was seen to fall down. In the m°r»ing our patrol which was sent (a) whether it is a fact that the to Search the area recovered one Machinery Manufacturers Corpora- five rounds and some blood- tion, Calcutta has closed their factory stained clothes from the scene. At partially; 11-4$ hours head constable Iskander Khan who had been wounded in the «tt.njun f Shri P G Deb: Will the Minister of Commerce and ’ 749. J Shri RagbunaVt Singh: Industry be pleased to state: I'Shri Sarju Pandey: Will the Prime Minister be pleas- (a) whether the two-man team of ed 1o state French Experts has completed the technical survey for setting up a (a) whether it is a fact that a Centre for training Indian technicians r.uding party from Pakistan-occupied ln the manufacture of precision instru- Kashmir headed by one constable ments essentially required for indus- Sikander Khan crossed the cease-fire trial development and for production line on the 10th August, 1959; prototypes for small-scale indus- tries; (b) if so, the action taken m the matter; (bl whether they have submitted (c) whether it is also a fact that any report in this regard; and the party fired on the police post of the Tithwal Area; and (c) if so, the main features of the report? (d) whether a protest ha-, been made to the U.N. Observers? Ihe Minister of Industry (Sbri Manubhai Shah): (a) to (c). The The Deputy Minister of External report of the team has just been re- Affairs (Shrimati Lakshmi Menon): ceived. It contains suggestions about C an ale M m lr y Uttar Pradesh have since been finalis- ed, *1M Shri F u f u k u : Will the Minister of Commerce n l Industry (b) if so, what are those schemes, be pleased to state and (c) the progress since made in the (a ) whether it is a fact that there direction of implementing them7 is a proposal to survey the Ceramic Industry m India, The Deputy Minister of Wanning (b) if so, whst is the object of this (Shri S. N. Mishra): (a) The Planning survey, and Commission has conveyed its concur- rence to the programme drawn up by (c) when it will be undertaken7 the UP Government against the cur- The Minister of Industry (Shri rent year’s special allotment of Rs 2 MMrabbal Shah): (a) to (c) A state, crores for the development of back- moot is given below ward areas including Eastern U P , districts of Bundelkhand end the hill districts StMCMBR (b) A list of the schemes included in- the programme is laid on the Table of No special survey of the Ceramic th<‘ House [See Appendix III, an- Industry is contemplated in respect of nexun No 7] units in the large scale sector but Development Wing re-assess, from (c) Information is not available time to time as they do in the case of other industries also the working Transport of Raw late capacity of the Ceramic Industry with *756 Shri Keshava. Will the Minis- a view to determining the trends and ter of Commerce and Industry be quality of production for formulation pleased to state of the plans for future development o ' the industry (a) whether it is a fact that trans- port bottle-necks have led to the can- In respect of units in the small cellation of high priced contracts *11 scale sector, a survey on Electrical raw jute and Porcelainware Industry has so far been conducted in certain areas of the (b) if so, what steps have been taken country A survey of the Ceramic to ensure adequate transport facili- Industry in the Small Scale Sector in ties7 general may be made when surveys of The Minister of Commerce (Shrv certain other industries which are al- Kannngo). (a) Government have no ready in hand are completed information to the effect that reported cancellations of jute contracts were due to transport bottle-necks Development of Eastern Districts of (b) Reasonably adequate transpoi 1 UJP facilities have been provided for f ~r> 8. M Banerjee movement of jute *155. ^ Shri Jagdteh Awastbi. ^ Shri Bhakt Darshan: Trade Commodities of othe countries pasting through India Will the Minister of Planning be pleased to refer to the reply given to *757. Shri Bibhnti Mishra: Will the Unstarred Question No 3987 on the Prime Minister be pleased to state 5th May, 1959 and state. (a) the names of countries whose (a) whether the schemes for the external trade commodities p a r development of Eastern Districts of through the Indian territories, 4019 Written A n n oert AUGUST 24, IMS Written Aimoert 4030 (a) the position ol export of sports (c) No goods during 1958-59 as against 1957- 58; fw m (b) whether there is scope foi ex- pansion of markets foi Indian spot i- JTOtisr sireft: w r goods abroad, and am n fw iw H irt n? «w h (c) if so, the steps taken m this r> - gard in 1959 (upto 31st July, 1959)’ (*r) f t qrforare fan* The Deputy Minister of Commerce and Industry (Shri Satish Chandra): (a) Sports goods worth about t . Rs. 8,98,000 were exported during (*f) WT OTXhcT W 5ETRW 1958-59 as compared to Rs. 10,28,000 in 1957-58. These figures do not include % W tif | TOTT the goods exported through po^‘ f®r*tpr % .parcel (»r) Pw>to flnrfUf { ^ ) wit < t n m w w n (a) whether it 1* a fact that tli (b) if so, what action is being taken Goraban area 36 miles off Banket to check it7 town m West Bengal has bee 1 brought within the purview of thx The Minister of Industry (Stall Manubhai Shah): (a) and (b). Com- Mines Act for collecting stones to bt supplied to the Kangsabati Pro;ec‘ , plaints have been received regarding the shoitage of these materials m the and market and therefore the import (b) if £.0, whether measures ' a policy is beng 1 loralised from time been taken to see tiat the contractor» to time take necessary safet> measures foi using explosives7 Ajudhia Textile Mills *764 Shri Radha Raman: Will the The Deputy Minister of Labour Minister of Labour and Employment (Shri Abid All), (a) and (b) Quar be pleased to refer to the reply given nes m this area have not been biougln to Starred Question No 311 on the withm the purview of the Mines Ac1 11th August, 1959 and state 1952 Instruction5- have, howevi been issued to til* authorities concert- (a) whether Government have since ed that precautions regarding blasti^f taken any decision regarding the re- and use of cxplosn es laid down m the opening of Ajudhis Textile Mills; lndiar Metalliferrous Mines Regula- tions, 1926, should be observed by the (b) if so, when the mill is likely to contractors engaged in quarry’ng resume its working, and •tone (c) the conditions which will govern the resumption of its working7 WJJ! *tWK « The Deputy Minister of Labour w n T v ii fti *ln (Shn Abid Ali) (a) Yes *vs^. HW W W (b) The Mill re opened on the 20th August, 1959 0 * «n r *rtt r s *n% t u t % (c) The Central Government have Import of Streptomycin Land Kef onus Shrl D. C. Sharma *7«5. Sbrt *• C. Borooab: Will the Shri Panfarkar: Minister t>S C om w ict and Industry S be pleased to state: Shri Bireadra Bahadur: | SlBffhji: (a) whether it is a fact that India ^8hrl M. V. Krishna Bao: has decided to buy 40,000 KG of Streptomycin from the U.S.A. and Will the Minister of Planning be Japan; Phased to refer to the reply given to Starred Question No. 1393 on the 19th (b) if soi the price to be paid; and March, 1959 and state the latest posi- tion with regard to implementation of (c) whether any global tenders have the jand reforms policy in the various been called? States’ The Minister of Industry (Shn The Deputy Minister of Planning Mannbhal Shah): (a) Yes, Sir; the (Shri S. N Mishra): A statement is actual quantity being purchased i" plaoed on the Table of the Lok Sabhs 50,000 kg fSftp Appendix III, annexure No. 81. (b) About Rs 120 per kg on t’ip Central Salt Board average. *>68. Shri Bam Krishan Gupta: Will the Minister of Commerce and Indus, (c) Global tenders were called and try be pleased to refer to the reply orders have been placed on the parties giv<}n to Starred Question No. 1372 on whose quotations were most favour, the 19th March, 1959 and state: able. (?i) whether Government have ••or- sidfered the recommendation of the Rayon Grade Palp MUI Salt Committee for setting up of an autonomous Central Salt Board; and 'Shri Subodh Hansda; Shri S. C. Samanta: (b) if so, the nature of the decision *766. ' (e) how does this rental compare formation is laid, on the Table of the with tit* rate charged by commercial House. [See Appendix III, annexure firm*? No. 0]. The Minister of Information ana Industries in Bombay State Broadcasting (Dr Keskar): (a) Y°s, Sir. 1380. Shri Pangarkar: Will the Minister of Commerce and Industry be (b) Rs. 36,18,112-41 nP.' pleased to state: (e) Yes, Sir. (a) the names of the industries on $d) Rs. 516 64 nP. ■large-scale basis that the Central Government have directly set up in (e) Comparison is not possible as Bombay State during 1958-59; newsreels and documentary films are not distributed on commercial basis (b) what is the total amount in- by any privatp firms in India vested in these projects; and (c) whether the financial aid has Accommodation for Government been given as grant or loan? Employees in Delhi The Minister of Industry (Shri 1S77. Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: Will Manubhai Shah): (a) The Central the Minister of Works, Housing and Government did not directly set up Supply be pleased to state: any large scale industries in the Bom- bay State during 1958-59. (a) total number of Government employees who have been provided (b) and (c). Do not arise in view with residential accommodation since of (a) above. 1st April, 1959 in Delhi so far; Allotment of Lunga Land to Displaced (b) total number of Government Persons In Tripura employees to be provided with resi- 1381. Shri Dasaratha Deb: Will the dential accommodation during the re- Minister of Rehabilitation and maining period of 1959-60; and Minority Affairs be pleased to state: # (c) total number of Government (a) the total acreage of Lunga land employees on the waiting list at allotted to each of the displaced per- present? sons who have been recently re- The Minister of Works, Housing and habilitated Ihe following Rehabili- Supply (Shri K. C. Reddy): (a) 744. tation Centres of Tnpura: (b) 2,226. (i) Simra Chhra R. C., Sadar, (c) 38,464. (ii) Ganda Basti R. C., Khowai, (iii) Krishnapur R. C., Khowai, Production of Khadi In Bombay and 1378. Shri Pangarkar: Will the (iv) Nripendra Nagar R. C., Sadar; Minister of Commerce and Industry be pleased to state: (b) whether this acreage of Lunga land can maintain an agriculturist for (a) the quantity of khadi produced six months in the year; and in Bombay State in 1958 month-wise; and (c) if not, whether the Tripura Ad- ministration proposes to allot more (b) the steps taken or proposed to Lunga land to the displaced persons be taken to increase the production? rehabilitated in these Centres? The Minister of Industry (Shri The Minister of Rehabilitation and Manubhai Shah): (a) and (b). A Minority Affairs (Shri Mehr Chand statement containing the required in- Khanna): (a) The average total 14/BX7 W ritunii A n s w tr t A V G U S T 2*> 1898 Written Aiu m ** holding per family in the** Rehabili- Israel by Israel authorities « a UN Plane with Indian Soldier* The Deputy Minister of Wocfeat Housing and Supply (Shri Anil K. IBM Shri P. G Deb* WiU the Prime Chanda)* (a) and (b) The Municipal TIBalrtot be pleased to state Corporation of Delhi has approved a (a) whether it is a fact that a UN proposal for the setting up of a Plane force-landed on Israel Terri- Division headed by a Deputy Munici- tory on the 18th May, 1959 carrying pal Commissioner for dealing with Indian soldiers, the slum clearance|improvement work m Delhi The Division will be staffed (b) whether there were any casu- by the requisite administrative, su- alties and pervisory, ministerial and non-minis- (c) if so, the details of the incident7 tenal establishment, as and whan necessary Ik e Prime Minister and Minister of txtemal Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal Indian Officers in UN Agencies Nehru): (a) to (c) It is understood 1888 Shri Inder J Malhotra: WiU thsft on the 18th May, 1959, a plane be- the Prime Minister be pleased to longing to a commercial airline, which state was carrying UNEF personnel In- cluding two Indian officers and ten (a) the number and names of the Indian other ranks who were proceed- officers who are at present on depu- ing to the leave centre at Beirut, was tation with the various agencies 4 1 forced to land at Lydda airport in the. United Nations, yr*m *n. Answer* BHAfflRA t, I t t l 1S3IKA) Written A nsum 4C30 ftf) ‘tea i8yt*tten rif their deputation YBfinttfMI OsSaKttklBgB T*«od; *08 l M Start I t s I M n Gupta; Witt (c) the procedure generally adopt- the Minister of Labour and Inplay- ed in the •election .of such officer*? ment be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that 4he The Prime M a W n u d Minister of ««*—M l Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal Government of India are considering Nehru): (a) and (b). The information a proposal to exempt any industrial undertaking taken over fay them from k being collected and will be furnish- the provisions of various Welfare ed as toon aa possible. Acts; (e) Normally, the Bureau of Per- (b) if so, at what stage the proposal sonnel of the United Nations maintains stands; and records of applications received from various persons and tries to recruit (0) the reasons therefor* suitable people for vacancies as and The Deputy Minister of U ktar when they occur. Indian officials who (Shri Abid All): (a) to (c). There is wish to apply for posts in the United no such general proposal. There is, Nations can do so with the permission however, a proposal that undertaifcinfs of the authorities under whose ad- taken over by the Government of ministrative control they work at Bombay under their Unemployment present. If a post is subsequently Relief Scheme cannot immediately offered to any one of the Indian offi- bear the burden of provident fund cials, he has to obtain the permission contributions and that they should be of the Government before he can exempted from the operation of the accept it At that stage the terms Employees Provident Funds Act. and conditions of service are scrutini- zed both by the officer concerned as also by the Government Buildings Projects Team on Industrial In special circumstances, the United Estate Nations may also approach the Gov- 1389. Shri Bam Krishan Gupta: Will ernment of India for specific recom- mendations for particular appoint- the Minister of Commerce and Indus- ments. In such cases, the Government try be pleased to refer to the reply makes the recommendation after con- given to Unstarred Question No. 3486 on the 24th April, 1959 and state: sulting the various authorities con- cerned (-a) whether Government have con- sidered the report of the Buildings Nagas Projects Team on Industrial Estate; and 1387 Shri N. M. Deb: Will the Prime Minister be pleased to state: (b) if so, the nature ot the decision taken? (a) whether it is a fact that the Nagas of Burmese Frontier Region Hie Minister of Industry (Shri have joined with the so called Indian Manubhai Shah): (a) and (b). Hie Nagas to form a movement for com- suggestions of the Team regarding mon land for Nagas; and planning and designing of Industrial Estates have been communicated . to (b) if so, Government’s reactions the State Governments and the thereto? National Small Industries Corporation. As in the past, also in the future de- The M m Minister aad Minister of signing and planning of Industrial t i l w i l Affafem (Shri Jawaharial Estates, the suggestions of this team Ifehra): (a) We have no information. and various other expert bodies are (b ) Does not arise. being kept In view. 4031 Written A ntw ert AUQUBT H , 1«N wm tva Answ er* 409* Xadostrtal M a l a r Itartltate la since invested money as shareholders Mudpnr in the Praga Tools Corporation Ltd-, Hyderabad? UN. Shri Bun Kristian Gupta: Will the Minister of Labour and Employ- ment be pleased to state the nature of The Minister of Eadustry (Utti steps taken so far in setting up an Mannbhal Shah): Yes, Sir. Industrial Training Institute m Mani- pur? Immigrants from West Pakistan 1393. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the The Deputy Minister of Labour Prime Minister be pleased to state: (Shri Abid All): Training has been started in some of the trades at the (a) the total number of immigrants Adimjati Technical Institute tempor- from West Pakistan during 1959 so arily with effect from March, 1959 far; and till new buildings are constructed. Administrative approval for construct- (b) how do these figures compare ion ot buildings at an estimated cost with those of 1958 (corresponding of Rs. 7-71 lakhs has already been period)’ issued. Quotations have been invited by the Administration for purchase at The Prime Minister and Minister of tools and equipment and action is also External Affairs (Shri Jawahaiial being taken by them for the recruit- Nehru): (a) 2013 migrants entered ment of the staff India from West Pakistan during the period from 1st January to 30th June, Punjab Circuit House in Delhi 1959 1191. Shri Ram Krtshan Gupta: Will (b) 2541 migrants entered India the Minister of Works, Housing and from West Pakistan during the period Supply be pleased to state: from 1st January to 30th June, 1958 Will the Prime Minister be pletsed (d) the target, if any, fixed lor to state different units for the manufacture of buses and trucks during 1959’ (*> the number of Pakistani nationals who over-stayed in India The Minister of Industry (Shri even after the expiry of their visas Manubhai Shah): A statement is laid during January to Jur -, 1959, and on the Table tof the House. [See Ap- Appendix III, annexure No 12] (b) the number of cases 111 which visas of the Pakistani visitors were extended during the above period? Kerala State Trading Corporation The Prime Minister and Minister of . . . . f Shri D. C. Sharma: External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal * \ Shri Vidya Charan Shukla: Nehru): (a) 63,316 Pakistani nationals overstayed the validity of their visas Will the Minister of Commerce and during the period from 1st January, Industry be pleased to refer to the to 30th June 1959 reply given to Unstarred Question No 2151 on the 19th March, 1959 and (b) 23,528 Pakistani nationals were state the latest position with regard granted extension of their stay in to the proposed Kerala State Trading India during the same period Corporation’ The Deputy Minister of Commerce Steamer Service between Goa and and Industry (Shri Satish Chandra): Bombay Details of the proposal are still under 1396 Shri D. C Sharma: Will the ' discussion Prime Minister be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No 1491 on the 6th March, 1959 and Wage Maps state the further progress made to start steamer service between Goa 1399 / Shrl D- C‘ and Bombay7 ^ shri Ram Krlshan Gupta: The Prime Minister and Minister of Will the Minister of Labour »nd External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal Employment be pleased to refer to Nehru): There has been no furthei the reply given to Unstarred Question development No 966 on the 26th February, 1959 and state the further progress made so far in drawing up experimental wage maps fsr Bombay and Kanpur’ Prodaction of Trucks and Buses 1397. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the The Deputy Minister of Labour (Shri Minister of Commerce and Industry Abld Alt). On account of non-avail- be pleased to state ability of suitable wage data for compiling experimental wage maps (a) the nunibei of trucks and blues for Bombay and Kanpur the Steering produced m the country during the Group on wages, which is incharge of year 1959, so far (unit-wise), the work has decided to defer the (b) the proportion of components matter till the data from the Wage produced indigenously and used by Census Scheme of the Labour Bureau the different units become available 4035 A n m v n Atldt& T 24, fe’ri&en Antxo^rt '4&$fc ‘KiMAim Tawnifcip Ike HHpaif 'U M r «f <$edw»N» and Industry (Shri gatttfc C h a ste }: l«M. Sbri t). Sharma: the c. The matter is under consideration. Minister of Rehabilitation tt d Mino- rity Affairs be pleased to state' Indo-Japanese Foundry and Light Engineering Centre (a) the total loan and grants given to Nilokheri Township under different 1403. Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: Witt heads during 1058-50, separately, the Minister of Commerce and M w try be pleased to refer to the reply (b) whether the grants have been given to Starred Question No 367 on utilised m full; and the 18th February, 1959 and state: (c) the loan and grants proposed to (a) whether the contract for lhdo- be given during 1959-60’ Japanese Foundry and Light Engineer- ing Centre for Calcutta has since been The Minister of Rehabilitation and negotiated; Minority Affairs (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): A statement is laid on the (b) if so, the main terms of the Table of the House. [See Appendix contract, and III, annexure No IS] (c) when the Foundry os to be set up* Indians Employed to Shanghai Municipal Police The Minister of Industry (Shri Manubhai Shah): (a) No, Sir. iiftl / Di C. Sharma: \Shri AJit Singh Sarhadi: (b) and (c^ Do not arise Will the Prime Minister be pleased to refer to the reply given to Starred State Sericulture Research Station* Question No. 218 on the 13th February, 1404. Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: Will 1959 and state • the Minister of Commerce and Indus- (a) whether any further progress try be pleased to state at what stage has since been made with regard to stands the question of taking over fhe the realisation of amounts due to the existing State Sencultural Research Indian nationals who were in the Stations by the Central Silk Board* employment of the Shanghai Municipal The Minister of Industry (Shri Police and other authorities in China; Manubhai Shah): There are three and regional sencultural research stations (b) if so, what* m existence at Channapatna, Titabar and Chaibasa run by the Governments The Prime Minister and Minister of of Mysore, Assam and Bihar respec- External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal tively Natan): (a) and (b) No, Sir Thera has been no further progress In June, 1958 the State Governments of Mysore and Assam were adflrrtsed by the Central Silk Board in order to “India 1958” Exhibition elicit their views with regard ‘to “the question of taking over the serictil- lift . 'Shri Bam Krishan Gupta: Will tural research stations established by the 'Minister of Commerce and Indus- them The Government of Bihar was 'tk y be pleased to refer to the reply not addressed as the Reseprch Station Vta to Starred Question No 1236 on at Chaibasa has been established only e 10th Match, 1959 and state at what S recently ttftge Mands the proposal to set up a $ferfcianent exhibition at the sight The Government of Mysore have where the "India 1958" Exhibition was agreed to hand over the Serieultutal held? Research Institute at Channapatna On 'ffjjfr Wftifesn l& m oere BH XDKA'2, lit t i (&AKA) WtttteH Answers 403S certain condition* which are under (b) the nature of the recommenda- uttMi>ktatto& of the-Board. TheGev- tions which the Government have tanmwBt o f Assam do act worn to accepted? favour the proposal. The Minister of Works, Htsstaf antf W Cycle Tyree and Tube* Supply (Start X. C. Reddy): (a) Copies of the Resolutions adopted by IMS. Shil Bam Krishan Gupta: Will the Council have been placed in the the Minister of Commerce and indus- Parliament Library. [Placed in try be pleased to state: Library, See No. 690- 61R W892 J9.1 (b) Government have accepted all (a) whether India has become self- the recommendations, except those sufficient by now in the production of contained in Resolutions Nos. 2 and 9* tyres and tubes for cycles; and which are under consideration. (b) if not, the steps proposed to be Samadhi of Mahatma Gandhi taken to make the country self- sufficient in this respect? 1408. Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: Will the Minister of Works, Housing antf Hie Minister of Industry (Stari Supply be pleased to state: Manubhai Shah): (a) and (b). A (a) whether the cracks which- statement is laid on the Table. [See appeared in the Samadhi at Mahatma Appendix III, annexure No 14.] Gandhi at Raj gliat in Delhi have been repaired; and Employment Pattern Survey (b) if not. tlie reasons therefor? fShri Ram Krfehan Gupta: The Minister of Works, Homing and 140*. ^ shri D. C. Sharma: Supply (Shri K. C. Reddy): (a) and Will the Minister of Labour and (b) To remove the cracks, grouting Employment be pleased to refer to was first resorted to, but without any the reply given to Unstarred Question appreciable impiovement to the sur- No. 681 on the 23rd February, 1959 and face. As a short-term remedy, ihr state: Samadhi was then replastered earlier this year. The replastered surface is (a) whethe- the Employment now keeping better, though one or Pattern Survey conducted by the two hair cracks have appeared again. Delhi University in collaboration with According to technical advice, such the Ministry of Labour and Em- hair cracks are unavoidable in ployment and Planning Commission exposed plastered surfaces. Permanent has since been completed; and improvement will be made when the (b) if so, wha* are their findings9 Samadhi is paved with stone tar accordance with the new design The Deputy Minister of Labour approved for the Samadhi as a whole. (Start Abid Ali): (a) No 0>) Does not arise. Committee on Sub-Soil Water Level tn Delhi NatWnai Building Cbuneil 1409. Rsm Krishan Gupta: 1497. Start Ram krishan Gupta. Will \ Shri D. C. 8harma: the Minister of Works, Housing and Will the Minister of Weeks, Hous- Supply be pleased to state: ing and Supply be pleased to refer (a) the nature of the decisions to the reply given to Starred Ques- tMBbn ahd recommendations made at tion No. 880 on the 18th February. 'ffite iheefing of ihe National Building 1959 and state: Cbfirtdl h41d at 1WW Delhi during (a) whether the Ad Hoc Committee February, 1959; and on sub-soil water level in Delhi haa 4039 Written A ntw ers AUGUST 24, ,19*9 W ritten Answer# 404# srnce submitted its final report; German Aaisfr ia M h 1418. Sbri JUun Krtaban (iaptii (b) if so, what are their recommen- WiU the Minister at C aoow iw and dations; and Industry be pleased to state: (c) the action taken thereon? (a) whether Government propose to enter into negotiations with the Gov- The Minister of Works, Housing ernments of West and East Germany mi* Sandy (Sbri K. C. Reddy): (a) for the disposal of the German assets Yes. A copy of the report is available confiscated in India during World in the Parliament Library. [Placed War II; and in Library. See No. 551• 49R J9.] (b) if so, what progress has so far (b) The main recommendations of been made in this respect? *he Ad hoc Committee are: The Minister of Commerce (Shri Kannngo): (a) No. India being a (i) Improved surface drainage. signatory to the Paris Agreement on (ii) Economy in use of unfiltered German Reparations, cannot, by vir- water for lawns. tue of the provisions of that Agree- ment , enter into any formal negotia- (lii) Sinking of tube wells for tions with the Governments of the pumping out subsoil water East and the West Germany for the and laying of porous pipes disposal of the German assets con- under ground in suitable fiscated in India during World War areas for collecting subsoil II. water. (b) Does not arise (c) The steps, so far taken are as Export of Cement follows: 1411. Shri Bam Krishan Gupta: Will (i) A study of the existing storm the Minister of Commerce and In- water drainage system has dustry be pleased to state: been completed and a scheme has been prepared for improv- (a) the steps taken or proposed to ing the drainage system be taken to introduce Indian cement into the neighbouring markets of ■ Copper m u Kndwtry (b) how much of this has been ex- MU. Shrt F u iu k u : Win the ported, so far? Minister of Commerce and Industry The Deputy Minister of Commerce 1* pleased to state the steps taken or and Indastry (Shri Satish Chandra): proposed to be taken to encourage the (a) and (b). The major manganese copper-ware industry in India? mining areas fell in more than one Ike Minister ot Industry (Shri state and precise information about Maasbhal Shah): The existing capa- the quantity supplied from each state is not available. Purchases are not city in the country for the production made by the State Trading Corpora- of copper-ware is considered to be tion on a state-wise basis. adequate to meet the demand. Due to shortage of copper which has to be Foreigners Coming to India mainly imported, setting up of new undertakings under the Industries 1415 Shri Raghunath Singh: Will (Development and Regulations) Act the Prime Minister be pleased to state: for the manufacture of copper-ware is not encouraged Consistent with (a) whether the organisations and the limited supplies of copper, suit- individual who are inviting foreign- able allocation of raw materials is ers to visit India are consulting the made to existing units Government of India; and Fifteenth World Publishers' Session (b) if not, action taken by Govern- ment to ensure that invitations "are 141S. Shri Raghnnath Singh: Will not given without obtaining their prior the Pline Minister be pleased to state approval’ whether India had participated in the Fifteenth World Publishers’ Session The Prime Minister and Minister «f held .in Vienna? External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal The Prime Minister and Minister of Nehrn): (a) aod (b) Instructions External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal have been issued from time to time Nebru): The Government of India was by Government, to cultural organisa- not invited to this Congress How- tions and sports bodies to the effect ever it is understood that the follow- that invitations to foreigners to visit ing four persons attended the Con- India should be issued only after con- gress- sulting the Government of India. There is, however, nothing to prevent private bodies or individuals from Same Awctation extending invitations to foreigners Represented without such consultations. In sudi 1. Shn Ram Lai Puri Messrs. Atma Ram & Sons cases, however, it is open to Govern- 2. Krishna Chandcr Meson. Hindi Pra- ment, wherever they consider it Beri charak Pusrakalya necessary, to withhold authorizations 3 Shyam I.al (iuprn Not known for visas or other governmental 4. Rajendra Gupta Not known. facilities Hindustan Machine Tools Factory Export of Manganese Ore by State Trading Corporation fShri Assar: . . . j Shri Vajpayee: 1414. Shri Panigrahi: Will the -) Shri H. N. Makerjee: Minister of Ceumeree and Industry Shri Wodeyar: be pleased to state: Will the Prime Minister be pleased (a) what was the total order placed to state: by the State Trading Corporation for Manganese ore for export m 1958-59 (a) whether it is a fact that the in th» States o t Bombay, Mysore, Swiss Government have lodged a pro- Andhra, Orissa and Bihar; and test against the Prime Minister’s ffwyBycn ttefcu s* » , *rt*i Wtttftrt itru ttori 4 to # ■pfteehabottt Hindustan Tools Eeoevety tfl 'fcqotfhres la W inKi Factory, Bangalore; and 141*. ShrinUti IteU a XfaauA: ttffi Of) if to, tte reaction df Gevern- the^’ttme'lfelabtar be pleased to (M r. w s k thereto? (a) whether it is a fact tha* deto- The Prime NlaWer and Minister «f nators of highly explosive* nature wWi External Affairs (Shri Jtewahaitel recovered from a hotel in Dimapsr; Nehru): (a) The Swiss Ambassador and in New Delhi drew the attention of the Ministry of External Affairs to (b) if so, the action taken in Bie certain reports of a speech made by matter? Hie Prime Minister on the 11th May 1999 at a confidential Party meeting Hit Prime Minister and Minister « r The Ambassador said that the re- External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal marks, if true, were likely to create Nehru): (a) Yes, 538 detonators MR the impression that India did not recovered from the house of one have a high opinion about Swiss Sohanlal Jain of Dimapur Eatar Ok 'technicians. 8-6-1969. (b) The Ambassador was told in (b) A case under the Kxplosrv* reply that the Prime Minister had laid Substance Act, 1908, has been register- stress on the great progress made by ed. the Hindustan Machine Tools Factory under Indian management. He had Domestic Servants in Delhi congratulated the management and f Pandit Munishwar Dutt workers on this success and had point- 1419. J Upadhyay: ed out that previously progress had I Shri M. L Dwivedi: *been much slower. He had not criti- cised tile Swiss technicians. The as- Will the Ministei of Labour ami sistance of these technicians had been Employment be pleased to state: substantial and had been appreciated Hy Us. (a) whether it is a fact that a large number of domestic servants giv* Experimental Balldiugs fictitious names to their employers 1417. Shri M. E. Krishna: Will the and the police when held up foi -some Minister of Works, Housing and Sup- offence; and ply be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that Gov- (b) the total number of demestic ernment have decided to construct a servants in Delhi? large number of experimental build- ings in the country; The Deputy Minister of Labasr (Shri Abid All): (a) Yes Some (b) If so, which are the States 'Where these experimental buildings domestic servants give fictitious names. will be constructed; and (b) The information is not avail- tc) the types of buildings to be able. constructed and their cost? The Minister of Works, Homing and tapply (Wurl IE. C. Eedfly): (a) The Tl<5 (« ;) <*r « * » t m t # #fw r wfiw u^ft qw fq* m ^ 1 1 **m 1 w w m ffcfr m t o r * m # «ftn 'nftrwH 9 r t f $, 1 1 m * 1% m m f ww % fir* tFjtta fipn vAm M I w V W{K 38 ff t fly v ww ^ A hb («•) spjw n*5 if fa*fr urcfcr «ift»i *Nt («ft n y n t w n j) *rm vt *n*r «ra-*T v m % (^>) ’TSPT TTSlT ^ WtVSRV w r *? ^ tV R ftnr 3tr f t *tpt vrcr snrfe ^5t ^*ptt I 1 fl<+!<. (T ) 'JlfeWH 3 OT iO T Ration (or Tea Plantation Workers t . wft 1423. Shri Dasaratba Deb: Will the (m ) 3 * # & f*P^fr # m f+«(H Minister of L a b o u r and Employment * t «TWf 5TVR •W (WT ^ fiw ffltf *Wt (a) the names of tea gardens which supply ration at subsidiced price to {•ft wir^wm $ £ * ): (* ) o t av the garden labourers in Tripura; % «r% g5PB ^ I 1 qifiraaw (b) the names of gardens which do 3 fw ft gprwn ulister of U boir (Shri A hid Ail); A statement is laid (w ) aft ■nfreaM f T? on the Table of the House ISee Ap- q* t * n t % ^ pendix III, annexure No 16]. 4047 WrfeMnt Answers AUGUST 44, ltiM ' Writte* Answer* 464S l a a u lor V orktn ef Tea Gardeas seeds, falling under S, No. 36/I V of the Import T n d t 14*4. Shrt Dasaratha' Deb: Will Control Schedule. Minister of Labour and BmptoywMt be pleased to state: (lii) Goods supplied free of charge (a) whether the tea gardens of Tri- in replacement of goods pre- pura are paying any bf'r.us to wor- viously imported, which have kers for the last three years; and been found to be defective off otherwise unfit for use. (b) if not, the steps taken by the Tripura Administration to see that ( i v ) Samples and advertising such bonus is paid as early us pos- igaterials upto the value of sible? Rs. 500 are allowed clearance by the Collectors of Customs The Deputy Minister of Labour at their discretion without (Shri Abid All): (a) Nr. import licence. (b) A proposal indicating the quan- (v) Fish and raw skins of lizards tum of bonus for 1956 has been sent and reptiles. From 1st April to the employers’ and the workers* 1959 import of all other types organisations. Their acceptance » of raw or salted hides and awaited.—To consider the question of skins was also permitted. payment of bonus for la57 and on- This item applied to Pakis- wards to the workers in the tea tan only. gardens of Assam, West Bengal and Tripura, a Committee har been set up (b) About Rs 95,61,000 from by the Government of India. The January to March 1959 Infonnation Committee has not so fat taken any beyond March 1959 is not yet avail- final decision in the matter Its next able meeting is expected to ►>* hold short- ly Manipuri Handioom Products Import Licences 1426. Shri L Achaw Singh: Will the Minister of Commerce and In- lf f i. Shri Pahadia: Will the Minis- ter f Commerce and Industry be dastry be pleased to sta’e’ pl-j >ed to state: (a) whether there is any organisa- (a) what are the items covered by tion for the sale of the Manipun Handioom products—the Pugri of the Open General Licence issued dur- Koyetmacha; ing the last six months of 1959; and (b) what is the total cost of these (b) what is the total quantity ex- ported every year from Manipur; imported items’ and The Minister of Commerce (Shri (c ) who exports them’ Kanungo): (a) Presumably the Hon*ble Member is referring to the The Minister of Commerce (Sbri first six months of 1959. The follow- Kanungo): (a) No, Sir. ing are the items which were cover- ed by O.G.L8 during that period: (b) Information is not available (c) The sale of these products is (i) Free gifts of books upto the handled by private traders. value of Rs. 2501- in favour •f individuals or institutions. Mobilization of Resources in the Third Five Tear Plan (ii) Bonafide samples or adver- tising matter, supplied free of 1427. Shri Pahadia: Will the Minis- charge, not exceeding Rs 250 ter of Planning be pleased to state: in c.i.f. value in one consign- (a) whether it is a fact that the ment excepting vegetable Federation of Indian Chambers at 40(9 W rtttm A natom BHADRA 2, IBM (S^ytA ) Written Answers 4050* C om m erce and Industry has been 1 aalced to estimate the resources likely w o r n s w ? to be mobilized in the private sector \ ^ «rd ? w * % daring the Third Five Year Plan; (b) if so, whether the Federation has submitted its estimates; and (w ) viT % «nr* * ’fyjT ?PTT <«) if so, Umj Action Government declared unsafe fqr continuing A f h m taken or propose- to take to work, o f the Press thereby -ensure that such misuse do** not tafee -place; and (by if so, when Government, pFqpma. to start construction, of a new building AJU3. « ( WMt Oermaar Itr aqpaad- years 1855-44, W M ? , N K 4 I «o4 t«f the electric faotozy in Mysore; -and 1988-58 have beta andttadf Port is wider consideration of the different countries. A number odf «te* State Government tions have been set up where samples of dust and rain water are collected. The industrial establishments under These samples are despatched to the ownership or management ot the Bombay for measurement A speci- port authority administering the ports men statement showing the monthly of Bombay, Calcutta and Madras have average levels of radio-activity in the been exempted from all the provisions air at New Delhi is laid on Table of of the Industrial Employment (Stand- the House [See Appendix III, an- ing Orders) Act, 1946 subject to the nexure No 20] following conditions*— (l) the port authority shall publish Isotopes or cause to be published conso- 143? Shri P K Deo: Will the Prime lidated rules relating to tte Minister be pleased to state matters set out m the Schedule to the said Act in a pamphlet (a) the quantity of isotopes pro- form m the English language duced in the “Apsara” reactor at and the language or languages Trombay during 1958 and 1959 so far; understood by the majority of and the workmen, (b) how they have been utilised? (li) before making any amendment to the said rules the port The Prime Minister and Minister of authority shall inform the work- External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal men concerned by a notice on Nehru)' (a) and (b) A statement the notice board of the proposed giving the required information is laid amendment and shall consider on the Table of the House [See Ap- any objection or suggestion that pendix III, annexure No 21 ] may be made thereto within Heavy Water twenty-one days of such notice, 1438 Shri P. K. Deo. Will the Prime (in) a copy of the pamphlet referred Minister be pleased to state the quan- tom clause (i) above and a copy tity of heavy water imported from of every amendment thereto various countries during 1958 and 1959 i»hn11 be supplied to each of tha so far and its cost7 workmen concerned The Prime Minister and Minister of Radio-activity External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal Nehru). No heavy water has been 1436 Shrt P. K Deo: Will the imported during 1958 and 1959 so far prime be pleased to state (a) whether any statistics have been Tea Trade Delegation collected regarding Ihe radio-activity 1439 Shri Daljlt Singh: Will the in this country at the time of various Minister of Commerce and Indastry be nuclear explosions taking place in pleased to state different countries, and (a) whether there is a proposal to (b) if *o, whether a statement send a trade delegation abroad to showing those statistics will be laid on propagate the use of Indian tea m the Table7 foreign countries, and The Prime Minister and Minister of (b) if so, the names of the countries External Affairs (Shri Jawaharlal to be visited by the delegation? Nehro): (a) and (b) The Atomic Energy Establishment, Thombay is The Deputy Minister of Commerce continuously monitoring the atmos- and Industry (Shri Satish Chandra): phere for radio-activity originating (a) and (b) Several Trade Delega- from fiie nuclear tests conducted by tions have been abroad last year to 4 »5 7 I M tt* * A nsw ers BHADRA 2, 1881 (SAKA) Written A nsw ers 4058 explore the various markets for Tea. No t e : Figures relate to Serpentina It has, therefore, not been considered roots (Rauwolfla Serpentina and other necessary to tend a delegation this species of Rauwolfla). year. But the Chairman, Tea Board will shortly be visiting Iran on the (b) There has been no decline. invitation of the Iranian Government, (c) Does notr arise. and would utilize this apportunity to explore the market for our tea. Medicated Gelatine Capsules Export of Brass and Copper Ware 1442 S Shxl p- K Deo: \Shri B. C. Prodhan: 1440. Shri S. A. Mehdi: Will the Minister of Commerce and Industry Will the Minister of Commerce and be pleased to state: Industry be pleased to state: (a) the total amount of export of (a) whether India is self-sufficient Brass and Copper Wares from India m the production of medicated Gela- from January, 1950 to date; tine Capsules; and (b) whether they are exported (b) if not, what steps are being through the State Trading Corporation; taken to increase its production? and The Minister of Industry (Shri (c) if so, the amount of foreign ex- Manubhai Shah): (a) There is ade- change earned from this export during quate capacity for the manufacture of the above period? single piece hard and soft Gelatine The Deputy Minister of Commerce Capsules. We are not, however, self- and Industry (Shri Satish Chandra): sufficient in regard to the two piece (a) Rs. 53'5 lakhs upto May 1959. empty hard Gelatine Capsules. Information beyond May 1959 is not (b) Manufacturers are being encour- yet available. aged to produce the two-piece empty (b) and (c). Exports through the hard Gelatine Capsules. State Trading Corporation were Local Development Works in Punjab negligible. 1443. Shri Daljit Singh: Will the Export of Ranwolfla Serpentina Roots Minister of Planning be pleased to 1441 f shrl **• K- Deo: state the amount allotted to the \ Shri B. C. Prodhan: Punjab State for minor schemes under Will the Minister of Commerce and the Local Development Works Pro- Industry be pleased to state: gramme for the year 1959-60? (a) the quantity of Rauwolfla The Deputy Minister of Planning Serpentina roots exported to foreign (Shri S. N. Mishra): The amount al- countries in the last three years; lotted to the Punjab State under the Local Development Works Program- (b) the reasons for decline in its me for the year 1959-60 is Rs. 3.45 export, if any; and lakhs. (c) the steps taken to increase its Evaluation Volt export? The Deputy Minister of Commerce 1444. Shri K. N. Pandey: Will the and Industry (Shri Satish Chandra): Minister of Commerce and Industry (a) Export statistics of Rauwolfla be pleased to state: Serpentina were not recorded sepa- (a) whether the Working Group rately prior to 1957. Exports during appointed at the instance of the Plan- 1957 and 1958 were as follows:— ning Commission to evaluate the pro- gress in the development of Small Year Qty. Scale Industries has submitted any re- 1957 . ■ 668 Cwte. port to the Small Scale Industries 1988 .. 2598 Cwts. Board; and 4059 Written Anstcers AXJOUST 24, 1998 Written Anm*r» 4060 UU*! *r#*rr »j ?jt \o ^ ,« o o I V ,o o o ^0 X 19,0 0 0 30 # iT<5rg^rc m f w sit $ 1 (w ) TO Ofa Wfl * 7 * ^ # W sion has come to organise th£ir ex- hibits and has not been asked to sub- « w ppt ff r | w * r v r j m tfrr mit any report to Government of India. (»r) *rfe 3?rrc*r * fwfr j$ ?ft Manufacture of Refrigerators and Air* f % * I fl# % f * w f*IT ^ T W f*PT *TT I ? Conditioners 1452. Shri Chandak: Will the Minis- («ft wfdrf w ^ ) (v ) ter of Commerce and Industry be y v faerr* s « t (Ui) Percentage value of imported fortnight. Further actios will be component* In relation to -ex-factory taken after a reply is received from price in respect of domestic refrigera- the employers, tors and room air-conditioners is as under:-— Indira Market, Delhi Domestic Refregeritors 15 % approximate- 1454. Shri P. C. Borooah: Will the ly- Minister of Rehabilitation and Mino- Room Air-conditioners 21% approximate rity Affairs be pleased to state: ly. (a) the exact price determined for two roomed flats constructed by Gov- (b) Some schemes have already ernment in Indira Market, Sabzi- been licensed/approved under the In- mandi, Delhi in July, 1959; and dustries (Dev. & Reg) Act, 1951, for the manufacture of Sealed Compressor (b) how it compares with the price Units and Refrigeration Controls in- fixed for such flats constructed in cluding Thermostats. 1956? (c) It is expected that with the im- The Minister of Rehabilitation and plementation of the schemes already Minority Affairs (Shri Mehr Chand licensed/approved, this industry will Khanna): (a) and (b). The price of be largely independent of imports and flats constructed in Indira Market, by 1961 about 95 per cent of the com- Subzimandi, Delhi, in July, 1959, as ponents will be manufactured indi- well as of flats constructed in 1956 is genously. more than Rs. 10,000 each. The reserve price is kept confidential as its dis- closure would have an adverse effect Disputes in Banking Industry on our auctions. The difference bet- ween the reserve prices of flats con- 1453 / Shri Ram Krishan Gupta: structed in 1956 and of those con- ‘ \ Shri P. C. Borooah: structed in July, 1959, is nominal, Will the Minister of Labour and being less than Rs. 100 in each case. Employment be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that the Import Licences for Photographic Conference held by Government with Goods the Banks and their employees on 1455. Shri M. Khuda Bukhsh: Will the 8th August), 1959 at New Delhi to the Minister of Commerce and Indus- resolve the disputes m the Banking try be pleased to state: Industry has been adjourned; (a) the particulars of the business (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and associates of the State Trading Cor- (c) when the talks will be resumed? poration in respect of photographic goods falling under Serial Nos. 303 The Deputy Minister of Labour and 305 part IV of the Import Trade (Shri Abld All): (a) Yes. Control schedule; (b) and (c) The Conference was of (b) the amount of licences made an exploratory nature. It considered over to them by the State Trading whether a new tribunal should be ap- Corporation individually, currency pointed, or whether there was scope area-wise and licensing period-wise; for settling outstanding points by (c) their standing in the trade, in- mediation or arbitration. The repre- dividually; sentatives of employees expressed the view that there was scope for settle- (d) the criteria employed in their ment without the appointment of a selection; new tribunal and the representatives (e) whether any Chamber of Com- of the employers agreed to inform the merce was consulted in the matter of Government of their views within a their selection; and 40*7 Jfathmr AUGOTT a*, HU #pt Argument . > (t ) the brands they are importing to the notice of lids Bouse and they Individually and the country of their ought not to be resorted to ftr the manufacture? purpose forcing the Government to The Mfcihtrjr «f r s w ir c e (Shrt decide one way or other. Anyhow, Kanungo): (a) to (I). Two statements Delhi is a Union Territory and are laid on the Table of the House. inasmuch as such a large number Is (See Appendix III, annexure No. 23]. involved, I would like to know what the hon. Minister has got to say about Leeks ef Meter Can this. I486. Shrt 8. A. Mehdl: WIU the Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): The Minister of Commerce and Industry main purpose for which I have given be pleased to state: notice of this adjournment motion is (a) whether it is a fact that Govern- not merely because of the hunger- ment have received a complaint from strike by 20 teachers. 15,000 teachers the Superintendent, Delhi Traffic are going on a hunger-strike tomorrow Police, that the locks of cars manu- and it will be followed by a demons- factured in India are unreliable, tration, which is bound to dislocate the studies of the students. A cir- (b) whether the attention of car cular has been issued by the Director manufacturers has been drawn to tnis of Education, which has been termed matter; and by the teachers’ association as “black circular", challenging certain articles- (c) if so, whether the manufacturing of the constitution of the teachers’ defect has since been rectified? association and asking the teachers to The Minister ef Industry (Shri dissociate themselves from member- Manubhai Bhah): (a) No, Sir. ship of the association. This has aggravated the situation further and (b) and (c). Do not arise. when 15,000 teachers go on hunger- strike, definitely it is a symptom of a mass upsurge. I hope the hon. Minis- 12-06 hr*. ter will consider this___ MOTIONS FOR ADJOURNMENT Shri Vajpayee (Balrampur): I have also given notice of an adjournment H u n g e r - s t r i k e b y D e l h i T e a c h e r s motion on the same subject. Mr. Speaker: I have received notice of an adjournment motion from Mr. Speaker: All right; all the Sarvashri S. M. Banerjee and Chinta- names will be put on the Notice manl Panigrahi: Board The hon. Minister. "The serious situation arising The Minister of Education (Dr. K. out of fourth day of hunger- L. Shrimali): Sir, it is a matter of strike by 20 teachers in Delhi great sorrow to me that some of the supported by the proposed teachers of the Corporation have hunger-strike by 15,000 teachers gone on hunger-strike. During the on 25th August, and to be follow- past few years, whenever there were ed by a general strike this week. any difficulties for the teachers’ asso- Immediate intervention of the ciation, I personally looked into those Central Government is essential matters and tried to resolve to avert this serious situation.” difficulties. H is time they have not put their demands in dear fa»wM be- A few days ago, a similar adjourn- fore the department nor have they ment motion was given notice of informed me of the reaaona why which I disposed of in accordance with they were going on hunger-strike. the previous ruling by myself' that They simply sent me a telegram that hunger-strikes ought sot to be brought they were going on Imrnmr sli Ilia JAoMcmhi BHAD&A 2, 1181 (SAJfCA) fo r Adjournment 4P70 On Saturday last, I per tonally terminated their services. In spite of « H t ts the toaehera and triad to that, the Government has ensured persuade them not to retort to that all their rights of services and hunger-strike This is not the conditions of service are made secure mehed which brings credit either to and that they are not handicapped the teaching profession or to the m any way. But, in spite of all that, Government and I hoped that after they are now resorting to hunger- my intervention they would place strike and they are not putting for- their demands before me But instead ward any clear demands before the of doing this, they are now in- Government They are only making sisting that the Department of Edu- verbal protests now and then; they cation should withdraw a circular also go to the papers This, to my which it had issued Acording to mind, is a highly undesirable prac- the Government Servants Conduct tice on the part of the teaching pro- Rules, no Government servant shall fession participate m any demonstration or resort to any form of strike in con- I would appeal to the House that nection with any matter pertaining to we must expect certain minimum the conditions of service This asso- standards of conduct from public ciation has been agitating for the last servants, particularly from the teach- several months, sometimes it is a ing profession If we allow this sort chalk-down strike, sometimes it is a of hunger-strike, it will not only hunger-strike Now it is a hunger- affect our educational system but strike of all the teachers Now, it is also will affect the future genera- obvious that the Government teachers, tion teachers who are working m Gov- ernment schools, cannot obviously be I had expected that after my inter- members of an association which is vention on Saturday they will with- threatening to strike and is advising draw the strike On Saturday I per- its teachers to go on hunger-strike sonally went and requested the tea- chers to place all their demands be- fore me So far they have not sent The present difficulty has arisen out any of their demands Now I was told of the Act of Parliament which was —I have read it in the papers—they passed creating the Delhi Municipal held a meeting in which they said Corporation Under that Act, pri- the Government should withdraw the mary education m Delhi became the circular which they had sent to all obligatory function of the Delhi the teachers of the Government Municipal Corporation Under the schools The circular only says that Removal of Difficulties Order. 1058, the teachers of the Government all educational and other institutions schools cannot continue to be the were required to be transferred as members of an association which is going concern* with the staff working advising its members to go on hunger- in them Therefore, all the perma- strike It is impossible for the Gov- nent and temporary employees of the ernment to allow its teachers, who Delhi Administration were transferred are working in Government schools, to the Corporation These teachers to continue to remain members of who are at present agitating are such an association I do not think mostly temporary teachers They the House would exnect that the Gov- are insisting that they should have ernment should withdraw its circular their lien with the Delhi Administra- This is the situation tion. As thev are temporary teachers, it is impossible for the Government I would again like to say that I am to accede to this demand. As they prepared to examine all their demands were temporary teachers, if they sympathetically I have personally have not gone to the Corporation, gone there and requested them to the Delhi Administration would have place all the demands before me. If 4 0 7 i M o t i o n s A va va r * , m * for Adjournment 4047 [Dr K .L Shrimali] there are any hardships, I «m pre* however serious the kind of hunger- pared to examine them and resolve strike might be, it will be a bad them. But I think the House should thing. 1 am really sorry to notice strongly discourage and disapprove this I am not prepared to give my of these methods which are being re- consent sorted to by the teaching profession Shri Hem Barua: I want « clarifi- Several Hon. Members rose— cation Mr. Speaker: Order, order I am Mr Speaker: No clarification; my not going to allow this I disallow ruling is clear the adjournment motion It is un- Shri Hem Barua: Since you allow- fortunate, I ought not to have allow- ed the hon Minister to make a state- ed this to be brought here I have ment, I want a clarification of that said many times that I would reauest statement the hon Members not to bring such matters before this House Even if Mr. Speaker* I am not going to they bring them before this House, I allow any clarification My language am not going to allow any motion was simple and clear Hon Mem- relating to any tnreatened hunger- bers will kindly resume their seats biriice, or even a hunger-strike That is not the method of inducing the aprftar q ro ft (f [Shri Jawaharlal Nehru] area. the Consulate-General I cannot guarantee everything; ttft would be kind to tell the Indian we are likely to have more correct pilgrims that for the sake of information of the international con- safety it is better for t h e m not ditions in Tibet After all, we do get to come for pilgrimage or come messages from our Consulates and as fewer as possible this year. Trade Agents. I cannot say about If they insist to come the responsi- what happens in the interior, some- bility of safety should be borne where there is no Consulate or Trade by themselves." Agent, but we have not received any Now, the meaning is quite clear such information from our Consulate that they are carrying on expedi- or Trade Agents. tionary or other hostile activities What has happened is that some- there and conditions are not safe for times, when the disturbance took people and for pilgrims and they place in the cities there, for a few warn pilgrims that they should not days or maybe, two or three weeks, come or, if they come, they should people were not encouraged to go out come as few as possible at their own from certain areas in the cities, in nsk. Lhasa from the Consulate area to other areas. They were not allowed It is true that under the terms of and movement in these areas was our agreement with China, pilgrims restricted. But that was at that, are allowed free access, but where time. So far as I know, no such conditions become bad internally, house arrest business is taking place whoever may be responsible for it, and movement is not restrict- we can hardly go on saying that we ed except outside the city will go and you will be responsible area, that is, probably some for it. Technically it may be true. kind of a permit is required to go Anyhow, this indicates that conditions outside the city areas or outside a are not normal there and that some certain major part of the city to kind of conflicts are proceeding. certain other part of the city, like Shri Vajpayee: May I know the at Yatung. date on which that note was received? So, I do not think that this motion Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I should of adjournment...... imagine—I do not know—about two or three days ago or just in the Shri Hem Baraa: May I know last few days. It is quite recent. I whether it is a fact that all attempts am not sure of the date but I saw made by our Ambassador in Peking it, I think, about two days ago, pro- to meet Mr. Chou-en-Lai to discuss bably. the position of Indians in Tibet have so far not succeeded? If it is so, what As for the reference to Indians is the information with the hon. being kept within doors, I am not Prime Minister about it? aware of that at all or of any order to the effect that Indians should keep Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: Mr. Chou- within their houses. en-Lai is the Prime Minister of China. Shri Nanshir Bharncha (East Most Prime Ministers normally do Khandesh): It has appeared in the not discuss these matters with foreign papers. Ambassadors. It is the Foreign Min- isters who discuss these matters. I Shri Jawaharlal Nehru: I am sorry may discuss them in my capacity as that I am not aware of that fact in Foreign Minister. Prime Ministers spite of what the papers say. In are not easily accessible. They are other words, what the papers say, so more accessible in India than in most far as I am concerned, is not correct other countries. 4077- * * * * * * fr r dHAtAA. t 1W1 (SAiKA) Papers Laid on the 4078 Adjoitrftmeift Table tta i Stan tu n a : Sid our Ambas- Mr. Speaker: In view of the state- sador mike certain attempts to dis- ment of the hon. Prime Minister, 1 do c o * Ihe matter there? That is what not think it is necessary for me to I wanted to know. give my consent to this motion for adjournment t t i l fawaharlal Nehru: There is no question of our Ambassador dis- cussing it with anybody. Our Am- bassador, at our instance, handed 12.28 hrs. certain memoranda and notes to the PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE Chinese Government and we expect from fhem formal replies. There is P l a n R e s o u r c e s a n d O u t l a y — a no question of having a casual con- R e v i e w versation with our Ambassador. The Minister of Labour u d Em- Shri Vajpayee: May I know if it ployment and Planning (Shri Nanda): is a fact that the Police is still posted Sir, I beg to lay on the Table a copy in front of the office of the Indian of ‘Plan Resources and Outlay—A Re- Consul-General in Lhasa and the view.’ [Placed in L brary, See No. Indians who go there are being inter- LT-1558|59J. rogated by the Police? R e p o r t o f C o a l P r i c e R e v i s i o n C o m - Shrt Jawaharlal Nehru: Yes, Sir. I m i t t e e am not quite sure exactly what the The Minister of Steel, Mines and position now is, but there were some Fuel (Sardar Swaran Singh): Sir, the sentries posted in front of the Con- House has been awaiting the decisions sulate-General, who checked people of the Government on the recommen- without permits trying to come in. dations made by the Coal Price Revi- In particular, the report we got was sion Committee in regard to the future that some of those Ladakhi Muslims, price structure of coal. Ever since who wanted to come to consult our the Committee submitted its main re- Consulate-General, were stopped from port in December, 1958, Government conung. have been giving careful considera- tion to the various matters arising out of the Committee’s recommendations f t t f t * 537* ¥r fa d ? vK t $qr if with due regard to the importance of coal in our national economy and st ft «mrr ^ *rfr ^ arnwr ,®rrsBrT g to the need for fostering conditions f a # *ft VPKT % dfa which would ensure the healthy growth and expansion of the industry nrfrpn vt ?!• $ far snr so that it could play the role envisaged srrar, w srrvrc ^ ^ for it under the Second and subse- vn forr t w *rrfafr * quent Five Year Plans. Government have accepted the Committee’s re- commendations and are proceeding to implement them straightaway. I ven- m m tc v rr ture to express the hope that the vw % eft vtf *n?fr ^ recommendations of the Committee, I I jft # sr&r % smr-r * as accepted by the Government, would go a long way towards the | ft? ?rrsrr m«ft $ achievement of the targets we have jrrfaiff ^ ^ fe n srtf fa «r$r srw * laid down under the Second Plan. [Sardar Swann Singh] setting out the decisions of the Gov- ing held cm the 21st August, 1858, ernment thereon. [Placed in Library, agreed without any amendment See No. LT-1559/59]. to the Wakf (Amendment) Bill, 1959, which was passed by the C a s e s o f t e n d e r s n o t a c c e p t e d b y Lok Sabha at its sitting held on I n d i a S t o r e D e p a r t m e n t the 11th August, 1959.” The Deputy Minister of Works, Bousing and Supply (Shri Anil 12.31 hrs. K. Chanda): Sir, on behalf of Shri K. C. Reddy, I beg to lay on the STATEMENT RE: ACCIDENT TO Table a copy of the statement of HOIST CHAMBER AT BHAKRA cases in which the lowest tenders have not been accepted by the India The Minister of Irrigation and Store Department, London, during Power (Hafiz Mohammad Ibrahim): the half-year ending the 30th June, Sir, in the statement that I made on 1959. [Placed in Library, See No. Saturday, the 22nd, I informed the LT-1560|59]. House that I proposed to pay an im- mediate visit to Bhakra Dam, to as- A n n u a l R e p o r t o f R e g i s t r a r o f certain on the spot after a personal N e w s p a p e r s f o r I n d i a inspection, the full facts regarding the unfortunate mishap that occurred' The Minister of Information and there on 21-8-1959. I visited the site Broadcasting (Dr. Keskar): Sir, I beg on 23-8-1959, inspected the visible to lay on the Table a copy of the features of the damage, conferred Annual Report of the Registrar of with the Project authorities and Newspapers for India for the year quite a number of experts including 1958. [Placed in Library, See No. the Chairman and a Member of the LT-1561|59], Bhakra Board of Consultants who had been specially summoned to make an R e p o r t o n w o r k i n g o f C e n t r a l S i l k on-the-spot study. The ‘Hoist Cham- B o a r d ber’ is a subterranean chamber, 300 feet below ground, embedded in the The Minister of Industry (Shri hill forming the right abutment of Manubhai Shah): I beg to lay on the the Bhakra gorge It is 150 feet away Table a copy of Administrative Re- from the point where the dam struc- port on the Working of the Central ture meets the right abutment. It is a Silk Board for the financial year highly reinforced box-type concrete 1958-59. [Placed in Library, See No. structure built in a specially excavat- LT-1562|59]. ed cave and is located just above the right diversion tunnel. The only access to it is through a gallery, 12.80ft hrs. leading into the hill from the system of galleries in the main dam. This MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA chamber was constructed to house the machinery to operate two sets of gates Secretary: Sir, I have to report the installed in the right diversion tunnel following message received from the to control and regulate discharge from Secretary of Rajya Sabha:— the Bhakra reservoir. The whole arrangement was necessary, not only “ In accordance with the provi- to regulate irrigation releases through sions of rule 125 of the Rules of this tunnel, but also to effect the Procedure and Conduct of Busi- storage of water in the reservoir, ness in the Rajya Sabha, I am commencing from the monsoon of directed to inform the Lok Sabha 1958 and was intended to function that the Rajya Sabha, at its sitt- only for a temporary period, that is, 4 0 (3 Statement re: BBMSIA 2, 1881 (SAKA) Accident to Hoist 4082 Chttmber at Bhakra until the dun height v n raised suffi- construction executives was held in ciently to enable the lower tier of the chamber and it was decided to irrigation outlets in the dam to be construct two emergency plugs for put into use These outlets are now holding the waters away from the left functioning; and it was the intention Power Plant, m the event of a break to plug the right diversion tunnel through Men were deployed imme- finally in October this year af'er diately on the erection of the emer- which this tunnel and the Hoist gency barricades Chamber would have been of no future use Dunng the storage effect- At 18 hours when work had barely ed in the monsoon of 1958, the reser- commenced, something happened sud- voir rose to RL 1356, te nearly 250 denly m the Hoist Chamber which deep, and the whole arrangement appears to have resulted in a connec- worked extremely satisfactorily tion having been established between the water in the tunnel below and the At fourteen hours on August 21, a chamber itself Water from the tun- slight separation was noticed between nel which was under very high pres- the operating floor and the upstream sure due to the impounded water m steel columns m the Hoist Chamber, the reservoir above, rushed into the which support the hoist mechanism chamber and thence, through the The operator on duty immediately connecting gallery to the galleries of got in touch with the Director of the dam, and finally into the power Inspection and Control The Director house through the cable gallery sys- on arrival made a detailed inspection tem Water rose above the generator of the structure and felt that a possi- floor level and submerged the elec- ble structural failure had taken place trical machinery on which the work Thereupon the emergency gatet> and of installation was going on Later the regulating gates which control the water level in the power house the flow through the Right Diversion dropped, but the flow continues Tunnel were closed and the General Manager, Bhakra Dam and Director, Ten workers including an overseer, Construction, were sent for Mean- all of whom had been put on essential while, an immediate emergency was emergency duties, stuck to their post declared and all personnel working m heroically but the gushing waters areas which were likely to be affected seem to have engulfed them before by a possible damage to the Hoist they could get away I should like to Chamber, and the consequent flood- pay my tribute of praise and admi- ing, were ordered out The incoming ration to these brave men, who m the shift due at 16 00 hours was stopped face of great danger sacrificed their from entering the danger zone lives while carrying out the duties assigned to them The prompt and At about 16 hours it was seen that effective action taken by the project the gap between the floor of the authorities to warn and remove a chamber and the steel column at the large number of workers m the gal- upstream end had further increased leries averted what might have been The seepage through a crack which a major tragedy had been noticed in a corner of the junction of the approach gallery with It is not possible at this stage to the Hoist Chamber had also slightly indicate the causes of the accident to increased On this all men were the Hoist Chamber This can be ordered out of the chamber except done when the mouth of the right one overseer and a regulating atten- tunnel is closed after the level of the dant who were asked to keep a watch reservoir goes down and water is and report developments They were drained from the hoist chamber It is to stay near the escape shaft, so as only then that access to it becomes to make a quick exit m the event of possible This may take some months a break through of the waters A In the meantime, flow from the cham- quick consultation between the top ber through the dam galleries will 4<% 4 Hrtwmnt » : KQ&U&t *4, fMft A e d d m i » Jfiwt- 40(4 Chamber at Staters' IHate Mohammad Ibrahhn] continue discharging into the spillway. Hie committee will Include Several Hon. Members rose— Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi: I have sought clarification on one point, Shri Nag! Reddy (Anantapur) namely whether this hoist chamber About yesterday's danger is not in the right shoulder of the mountain, which was blasted, and Mr. Speaker: Hon Members are about which the first board of con- trying to make suggestions sultants did say that this has become very dangerous and the embankment Shri Ajlt Singh Sarhadi: It is too should be stopped That board of serious a matter The committee consultants was consulted when the should have been appointed after embankment was complete That discussion, as many things might was the clarification which I wanted have come out There was a board of consultants whose advice was not Shri Hathl: As the statement says, taken when the right shoulder of the this hoist chamber is in the right mountain was blasted in 1951 side of the Bhakra gorge It is men- tioned there in the statement Mr. Speaker: Normally, I do not allow any discussion on a statement, Several Hon. Members rose— but inasmuch as this was a serious matter I allowed one or two ques- Mr. Speaker: I am not going to tions to be put. allow any more questions !8S (Ai) LSD—5. 4Q&7 Jtotonm t xm AiJQXSSt M, ISM jtocM e* to 'ilot* Chamber at Bkukn ghri Nagi Beddy: In the state- 1148} his. ment— STATEMENT RE: DEMANDS FOB Mr. Speaker: I am not going to EXCESS GRANTS (HIMACHAL allow kind of cross-examination. PRADESH), 1960-67 Shri Nagi Reddy: I am not going The Minister ef Revenue and ( M to cross-examine, but 1 only want Expenditure (Dr. B. Gopala some information. I beg to present a statement showing Demands for Excess Grants in respect Yesterday, I had heard near the of the Government of Himachal Pra- Shakra dam that the emergency gates desh for 1966-57 (1st April, 1856 to that were said to have been closed 31st October, 1956>. in. the statement made by the hon Minister, did not function; and actu- ally they were not closed; they stop- 12.46£ hrs. ped half-way. Is that a fact? STATEMENT RE: DEMAND FOR ghri Hath!: I think these gates EXCESS GRANT (DELHI), 19SM7 were closed The Minister of Revenue and Civil ghri Nagi Reddy: Completely? Was Expenditure (Dr. B. Gopala Reddl)r there not a gap of two feet after the I beg to present a statement showing dosing of the gates? Demand for Excess Grant in respect of the Government of Delhi State H ab Mohammad Ibrahim: There for 1956-57 (1st April, 1956 to was no such thing. (Interruptions) October, 1956) Hr. Speaker: Order, order. Hon Members will see that an expert committee has been appointed. No- 12.46? hrs. body will allege that the hon Minis- ters were responsible for all that has STATEMENT RE. SUPPLEMENT- happened Therefore, everybody is ARY DEMANDS FOR GRANTS anxious to know what exactly has (KERALA), 1959-60 happened, and to repair the damage If anybody has been negligent, cer- The Minister of Revenue and Civil tainly, this House is strong enough Expenditure (Dr. B. Gopala Reddi): to call him to order Let us await 1 beg to present a statement showing the report of this committee In the Supplementary Demands for expendi- meanwhile, the hon Minister has ture of Government of Kerala for agreed to keep the House informed the year 1959-60 from time to time of any further material that comes before him, and he will keep us informed Let us wait. He will expedite the inquiry 12.47 hrs. by the committee CALLING ATTENTION TO A Several Hob. Members rose— MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE Shri Mahanty (Dhenkanal): What were the terms of reference? R e p o r t e d p r e s e n c e o r C h i n e s e s n - m a b i n e s o r r W e s t C o a s t o r Mr. Speaker: I am not going to allow any further questions. Shri P. C. Borooah (SibH|u): Under rule 197, I beg to call the ei- tion of the Minister at Defence to J p f l * C&mtMtuatau B S A X K A x im ISAXA) to a Mm* at Urgent 409c PttbKc Importance the following matter of urgent pub- notice in this case. But we give ten lic importance and t request that he days’ notice. In the meanwhile, if it m y make a. statement thereon:— ' is a serious matter, it is expected that they will make an inquiry in “The reported presence recently view of what has appeared in the of Chinese Bub-marines off the newspaper, wherever it is possible. West Coast of Kerala.”. Therefore, I expect that hon. Minis- ters would not merely say that ‘It In this regard, may I submit...... has not come to our notice so far’; Mr. Speaker: The hon. Member has in view of what is published in the called the attention of the hon. Mi- newspapers, they must make inquir- nister. Let us hear what the Minis- ies and satisfy this House by saying ter has to say. *We have made inquiries, but it las not come to our knowledge, we made further inquiries and we find that The Minister of Defence (Shri there is nothing like that*. Krishna Menon): There have been press reports to this effect in some papers in South India. The Current, Shrl Krishna Menon: We had made a weekly of Bombay also printed full investigations; in fact, after this this story but stated that it was not press report, he was asked to inquire in a position to substantiate it. The further, and he said—he has used press story is unconfirmed. slightly stronger language—it was fantastic. We have no reason whatsoever to think that there is any substance in Kiri P. C. Bor00ah: May I make these occurrences as alleged in the re- one submission7 The Colombo Radio ports. Units of the Indian Navy said that there were six or seven have been operating along the South- ships laden with ammunitions and east and west coasts of India in the heavy war materials seen in the coast normal course in naval exercises. No of Kerala at the time when the information m this respect has been Kerala agitation was at its climax received from the Flag Officer (Com- and the Ankamali firing incident was manding) of the Indian Fleet, which going on. would most certainly have been done if there was any such occurrencc or any reason indicating it. The Flag Mr. Speaker: Was any such thing Officer (Commanding) of the Indian broadcast by the radio? Fieri was, however, directed to re- port any unusual happenings or acti- Shri Krishna Menem: No. Similar- vities by foreign ships that were observed or brought to his notice in ly, it was said AIR Bombay had this connection. He has carried out broadcast something, and we found the necessary investigations, and in- that they had not done so. Certainly, formed Naval Headquarters that the we are not responsible for what the stories that have appeared are noth- Colombo Radio said. ing but the flight of someone’s ima- gination. Shri Narayanankutty Menon (Mukandapuram): It might be a small Mr. Speaker: I want to inform the fishing boat going in the night. bon. Ministers that with respect to certain questions, the questions are Mr. Speaker: Sometimes these put on the basis of some newspaper things occur. reports. I receive answers ttpm the Ministers or reports through their •ecretaries. Nothing has come to our 4091 Demand* AUGUST M, t«5ft for Ktew Granti 409% 1»JK fcm. 1M * fan. COMMITTEE ON ABSENCE OF BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE MEMBERS FROM THE SITTINGS OF THE HOUSE The Minister of Parliamentary Affairs (Shri Satya Narayas State): F i f t e e n t h R k p o r t With your permission, Sir, I rise to announce that the following additional Mr. Speaker: The Committee on items of business would also be taken Absence of Members from the sit- up in the Lok Sabha in this week in tings of the House in their Fifteenth addition to Government business Report have recommended that leave announced by me on Saturday, of absence may be granted to the August 22, 1959:— following Members for the periods (i) Consideration and passing at indicated against each: Kerala Local Authorities (1) Shrimati Lalita Rajya Laws (Amendment) Bill; Laxmi (ii) Discussion on the third 10th March to 7th May, 1959 (Seventh Session). Annual Report of the National Small Industrie* (2) Sardar Baldev Singh Corporation (Private) Ltd., Bth April to 9th May, 1959 (Seventh for the year 1957*58 on • Session) and 3rd August to 30th motion to be moved by Shri August, 1959 (Eighth Session) . Harish Chandra Mathur on Saturday, August 29, 1959, at (3) Shri Fatehsinhrao Pratap- 3 P.M. sinhrao Gaekwad. 3rd August to 11th September, This, as you know, Sir, has been 1959 (Eighth Session). arranged in deference to your wishes. (4) Shri Lachman Singh. 18th August to 11th September, I may also announce that lime per- 1959 (Eighth Session). mitting, the House will also take up the following Bills: — 15) Shri Rajendra Singh 13th August to 11th September, (i) Consideration and passing of 1959 (Eighth Session). Government Savings Certifi- cates Bill; (6) Shri V. N. Swami. 3rd August to 11th September, (ii) Consideration and passing of 1959 (Eighth Session). Public Debt (Amendment) Bill; and (7) Shri Hirendra Nath Mukerjee (iii) Consideration and passing of 3rd August to 18th August, 1959 Government Savings Banks (Eighth Session). (Amendment) Bill. 1 take it that the House agrees Shri Mahanty (Dhenkanal): May I with the recommendations of the elicit a piece of information? We are Committee. ' much concerned about the Report of the Commissioner for Linguistic 8ome Hon. Members: Yes, yes. Minorit;es. You have been pleased to allot 5 hours for discussion of that Mr. Speaker: Leave is granted. The Report. I would like to know from Members will be informed accord- the hon. Minister whether we are ingly. going to get a chance to discuss that Report Mr. Speaker: Not this week. 4 A93 Kemta Local Aufto- BHAORA 2, 1881 (SAKA) Demand* for 4094 *Mm £ £Mr. Speaker] good an excess on the grant in good an excess on the grant an respect of ‘Miscellaneous Expen- respect of ‘Broadcasting* for the diture under the Ministry of year ended the 31st day of External Affairs' for the year March, 1957" ended the 31st day of March, D e m a n d No 89—Other Organisations 1957.” under the Ministry of Production D e m a n d No. 47—M i n i s t r y o f H e a l t h Mr. Speaker: Motion moved: Mr. Speaker: Motion moved- “That a sum of Rs 86,30,638 be “That a sum of Rs 1,733 be granted to the President to make granted to the President to make good an excess on the grant in good an excess on the grant in respect of ‘Other Organ’sations respect of ‘Ministry of Health’ for under the Ministry of Production’ the year ended the 31st day of for the year ended the 31st day March, 1937.” of March, 1957 ” D e m in d S u p p lie s D e m a n d No. 51—P o l i c e No 102— Mb'. Speaker? Motion moved Mr. Speaker: Motion moved: "That a sum of Rs. 35,12,949 be “That a sum of Rs 4,28,827 be granted to the President to make granted to the President to make good an excess on the grant in good an excess on the grant m respect of *Pohce’ for the year respect of ‘Supplies’ for the year ended the 31st day of March, ended the 31st day of March 1957.” 1957 ” D e m a n d No 56— P r i v y P u r s e s a n d D e m a n d No. 103—Other Civil Works A l l o w a n c e s o f I n d i a n R u i x r s Mr. Speaker: Motion moved Mr. Speaker: Motion moved. “That a sum of Rs. 6,52,33,504 “That a sum of Rs 88,775 be be granted to the President to granted to the President to make make good an excess on the grant good an excess on the grant in m respect of ‘Other Civil Works’ respect of *Privy Purses and for the year ended the 31st dav of Allowances of Indian Rulers' for March 1957” the year ended the 31st day of March, 1957” D k m a n d N o 106—Department of A t o m i c E n e r c y D e m a n d N o 5 7 -A — L a c c a d i v i , M i n i - Mr. Speaker: Motion mo\ed c o y a n d A m i n d i v i I s l a n d s Mr. Speaker: Motion moved "That a sum of Rs 2 953 be granted to the President to make “That a sum of Rs 55,398 be good an excess on the grant m granted to the President to make respect of ‘Department of Atomic good an excess on the grant m Energy' for the year ended the respect of Tiaccadivi, Minicoy and 31st day of March, 1957 ” Amindivi Islands’ for the year ended the 31st day of March, Demand No. 135—Other Capital Out- 1957 ” lay of the Ministry o f Irrigation a n d P o w e r D e m a n d No. 64—B roadcasting Mt Speaker: Motion moved: Mr. Speaker: Motion moved ‘That a sum pf Rs 28,90,218 be “ That a sum of Rs. 23,94,460 be granted to the President to make granted t* the President to make good an excep* on the grant in 4097 D em tm b BHADRA 2, 1881 (SAKA) fo r Xawen Grants 4098 rtfpeet of X>ther Capital Outlay the transactions of certain Indian of the Ministry of Irrigation and Missions abroad’ etc. This is on page Power’ for the year ended the 3 There is an important question 31ct day of March, 1957." connected with this The Union Fin- ance Ministry had prepared a report— The tune allotted for this discussion or it had attempted to prepare a is one hour. The hon Minister will report—on the expenditure incurred reply to the points in the end at the Indian High Commission in London This had been hanging fire Shri Varlw row— all this tune Last year also, there was talk that this report would be Mr. Speaker: Yes, Shri Maniyan- coming in November or December or gadan (laughter) I am sorry, Shn in the inter-session period But we Wan or did not get it Then, it was reported that it would come early in March, Shri Narayanankntty Menon that also has not happened. Now (Mukandapuram) Shri Maniyanga- we are in the August-September ses- dan sits on the other side sion In the Rajya Sabha, it was said the other day that this report was Mr, Speaker: Whether it is on this still at the stage of drafting. This is side or the other side, I am not able the position The amount that is to distinguish between Malabar spent in the Indian High Commission gentlemen (laughter) is big There were so many com- Shri Warior (Trichur) We have plaints and the matter had been rais- tabled three cut motions One is to ed even in the Budget session Even Demand No 25 now this expenditure is going on The amount of exchange referred to Mr. Speaker: So far as cut motions here comes within this Hie question are concerned, hon. Members will is why so much amount was unneces- kindly bear in mind that in the case sarily spent It could have been cut of Demands for Excess Grants as well down and we could have saved much as Demands for Supplementary of foreign exchange also Grants, if there is a new service, they are entitled to go into the matter of The Deputy Minister of External policy By new service is meant a Affairs (Shrimati Lakshntf Menon): service which was not contemplated at On a point of order Variations in the time of the Budget This relates exchange and foreign exchange are to a demand for an excess grant Hie quite different things matter has already been discussed so far as policy is concerned Some more Shri Warior: Hiat is true Foreign money has been spent or they want exchange is depleted when you spend permission for spending It is only with respect to whether an excess Shrimati Menon: No, no, grant is nght or wrong that hon in certain countries, the currency has Members can speak, they cannot go been devalued and hence the varia- into the matter of policy I thought tions in exchange four of these cut motions are not in order Anyhow, the hon Member Shn Warior: We are spending may make general observations Mr. Speaker: The hon Member only Shri Warior: I will make some wants to bring to the notice of the general observations with respect to Minister that the report of the enquiry Demand No 25 This refers to into the affairs of the High Commis- 'increased requirements for loss on sion in London regarding expenditure exchange resulting from unforeseen nf money may be expedited That '8 variations in exchange rates affecting all he wants 4099 Dtmanda AUGUST H 1989 fo r E x e tu ChnmU 410 9 > Sbri Warior: No, Sir. Figures are Rashtrapati Nilayam at Hyderabad. also given. It is a huge amount. Ibis It is said that the excess under is the most appropriate time to bring 'Repairs’ was due to the urgent repair thi( issue alto before the House. works carried out in Rashtrapati Nilayam, Hyderabad. If repairs cost Mr. Speaker: The hon. Minister has so much, 1 do not know how much said that it does not relate to that, but new construction would cost. We do only to variations in exchange. not know whether it is profitable or not to keep such a thing, a very old Shri Wanor: This has been going and dilapidated thing. If repairs cost on and this affects our foreign so much, I think Gaverment better exchange reserve. In this particular loave it out They should consider case, it might be due to variation in that, whether we can incur such the exchange value of some cur- excess expenditure for repair alone rencies—either inflation or deflation These are the only observations I Mr. Speaker: Therefore, he ought want to make. not to talk of any other matter. He must confine himself to the excess Shri Kodiyan (Quilon-Reserved- grants. Sch Castes): Sir, I have to make a Shri Warior: It is not clear from few general observations about the this that it is so Demands for Excess Grants. Excess over voted Grants and charged appro- Mr. Speaker: The hon Minister has priations have become a regular fea- said so. ture of the expenditure of the Gov- ernment of India for the last several Shri Warior: It is not clear here vears In the year 1953-54, the num- ber of excesses was 17 and the Mr. Speaker: There ib a limit to amount involved was Rs. 317* 12 lakhs this. The hon. Minister has said that In the following year, the number of it is due to variation in foreign excesses was a little lower; its num- exchange. ber was 12 and the amount was Rs 304 7 lakhs I do not have the Shri Wanor: The other observation figure for 1955-56 But in 1956-57. I have to make is in respect of the number has again gone up to 17 Demand No. 102. The excess was and the amount of excess expenditure mainly attributable to the omission to has also increased The total amount obtain additional funds for meeting involved in these Excess Demands the increased requirements of the including both charged and voted Director-General, IS D. items is Rs 8* 32 crores It is disturb- ing to note that in spite of the repeat- It is not clear from this whether ed warnings and recommendations of this is a new item or an excess item the Public Accounts Committee this because the explanation is given in irregularity is still continuing with such a way So, we want a clarifica- increased volume tion on that charged item for which the excess demand is necessary Excess Demand has become a regu- lar feature tor the last many years. IS hrs. The Public Accounts Committee had Warned the Government repeatedly to There is another Ltem along with take effective steps to have a better this, that is 103, Other Civil Works budgetary control over expenditure. It is pointed out that it is for Rashtra- Excess Demand is, in fact, a criterion pati Nilayam, Hyderabad and also for to assess the effectiveness of budget- Rashtrapati Bhawan, New Delhi. It ary control As I have already point- is a huge amount that is spent for the ed out, in spite of the Public Accounts Demand* BHADRA 3, 1881 OSAKA) for Kxeeu Grant* 410* Committee's recommendations this is have been aware of the fact that cer- still continuing. tain works that were on hand requir- ed additional expenditure and they Another point that I want to bnng should have made a precise estimate to the notice of the House is this of the additional expenditure to be The explanations given by the various incurred for the completion of such Ministries concerned with regard to works This argument that they can- these Excess Demands are rather not make a pircisc estimate is not at interesting Take, for instance, all convincing Demand No 89, item No (11) It n On the charged side, the expendi- said ture is Rs 11,47,326 They say ‘TBie unutilised balances in some of the Other Personal Ledger The excess under ‘Repairs’ was Accounts were not refunded due to the urgent repair works before 31st March, 1957, through carried out in Rashtrapati an oversight This led to an Nilayam, Hyderabad, and Rash- excess of about Rs 18 58 lakhs.” trapati Bhawan, New Delhi, and 4 unanticipated additional expendi- The explanation given is that these ture in connection with the visits unutilised balances had to be actually of V I P s ” refunded, but the Ministry concerned explained that they could not do so Foreign guests come to India and because 30th and 31st March happened our leaders go to foreign countries. to be bank holidays It seems from Every year we expect some foreign the explanation of Ministry that it puests to come here We provide was not their fault but it was because some amount for welcoming these of the fact that both these days hap- foreign guests But one cannot pened to be holidays This is rather understand why this unanticipated an interesting way of explaining additional expenditure was incurred things What was it due to’ Who were the foreign guests that came to India so With regard to Item No 103, Other as to incur this additional expendi- Civil Works, the excess over voted ture unanticipated by Government* grants is Rs 6,52,33,504 From the explanatory note, we find that the What are the urgent repairs to the excess in the voted portion’ occurred Rashtrapati Nilayam at Hyderabad mainly under the head ‘Suspense’ and Rashtrapati Bhawan at New which needs constant adjustment Delhi' The C P W D is in charge o f They say the buildings including the Rashtra- pati Bhawan and others Every year “It is, however difficult in pic they have to carry out the normal tice to estimate m advance the work of repairs That is a regular precise extent of purchases to be feature of the work done by the made, which depend upon several C P W D What was the special rea- factors such as progress of the son foi urgently repairing the Rash- works concerned, the availability trapati Bhavan m Delhi and the Rash- of the materials and stores the trapati Nilayam at Hyderabad*’ adjustment of debits, fluctuations m pnees etc” Regarding Demand No 102 Mr Speaker If there are anv now It cannot be explained away that points, he may speak on them The these come undo: the head ‘Suspense’ hon Minister will certainly explain Anyhow, it is a fact that this amount Instead of going into too minute was spent for purchasing stores, details of points already referred to equipment, etc So far as the Min- by the other hon Member if any new istry iff concerned, they prepared the item is discovered let him point that Budget estimates and they should out 4 I0 3 DemanSi AUGUST jgjg /or B&otm O naU t 4M4 Shri Kodiyan: I have to mAfce a few be rather high. We know the apodal observations with regard to Demand circumstances obtaining in Jwnwa N o. 89 which relate* to Atnbar and Kashmir. Taking them into con- Charkha. I have no objection to this sideration, I would like to know whe- programme But considerable amount ther the Central Government is spend- is being spent on this. I fHnk it was ing yearly on this police administra- in 1958 that a sum of Rs. 59 crores tion there a sum of Rs. 2*66 crores. -was sanctioned by the Government This, I think, is a very high figure for this purpose It was decided that even if we take the special conditions 40 million yards should be the target into consideration. The Minister "but sometime afterwards, it was should look into this. In addition to reduced to 20 million yards. I want the Central Government, the State to ask whether the results achieved Government will also be spending so far are commensurate with expen- enormous amount on the police. So, diture and also whether there is any We would like to have a sufficient suitable follow-up programme for explanation for this huge expenditure. those people who are trained under this programme for employment or for utilising their experience for fur- Shri Panigrahi (Pun): Sir, 1 refer ther expansion of production of khadi *.o Demand No 64 regarding the In- yam in other centres. formation and Broadcasting Ministry, tt has been said that community Shri T. B. Vittal Rao (Khammam) J-adio sets are supplied to the State In this booklet, it is stated under Governments for installation m vil-' Demand No. 54—Police—that a sum 'ages under the Central Government of Rs 35 lakhs and odd has been Subsidy scheme by which the Centre demanded due to double payment to *>ears 50 per cent of the expenditure the Jammu and Kashmir Government. Ihvolved m this scheme The purpose A sum of Rs. 2 crores and odd is *s that they should be supplied cheap supposed to have been spent by the lo the villages, libraries, schools and Central Government every year in < ith e r social organisations. I would Jammu and Kashmir and a sum of like to know from the hon Minister Rs. 35 lakhs has been overpaid ''Vhat is the actual expenditure incur- Usually, cases of overpayment in any commercial firm or even in a Gov- red for this and how much of it is Raid by the State Government The ernment department is taken serious notice and the officers responsible for %tate Governments are charging this overpayment are dealt with very Its 75 for each set plus the cost of drastically and disciplinary action is transporting the radio sets to their taken for making such overpayment destination. But I find that even the I do not understand how this had transport cost is to be borne by the happened Are there no audit or C e n t r a l Government I would like to other check* exercised7 This excess know from the hon Minister as to payment has been discovered after a hbw much a radio set costs here and year We should have been told m Whether the State Governments are this now as to how it came about; it "taking any profit out of the subsidy says simply that it happened inadver- K’.ven by the Central Government for tently It 15 not a thousand or even a Popularising radio sets lakh It amounts to Rs. 35 lakhs com- pared to a total expenditure of Rs. 2 crores Has any disciplinary action We were told by the Transport been taken agamst those officers res- artd Communications Minister that his ponsible for this payment9 I want a Ministry and the Ministry of Infor- clarification on this point mation and Broadcasting are engaged in discussions about giving c(^cessions Secondly, the amount put down in licence fees on sets used by these here as 'police expenditure seems to Ullage organisations and also otter 4*05 ' Demand* BHADRA I, 1881 (8AKA) /o r Jfeteess Grants 4106 godrt organisations such as libraries, currencies fluctuated very violently schools, etc., who are supplied with and a system of fixing accounting the community receiving sets Pre- rates compatible with the require- viously they were charged Rs 3 as ments had to be devised with a licence tee and now they are being view to iron out the differences charged Rs 10 It is difficult for Thus we find that it was done only in these organisations to pay this respect o t South American curren- This matter is under the considera- cies but all other currencies in tion of these Ministries and we must South-East Asia The result is that know exactly what they propose to we had to incur additional expendi- do m respect of such sets ture in our Indian Embassy at Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro and the Indo- The Ministry of Information and China Missions, the Indian Embassy Broadcasting are maintaining their at Pnompenh and the Indian Embassy Press Information offices m other m Vientiane places also I do not know whether all the fourteen States or all the Then, Sir, the Indian Missions fourteen languages are covered But abroad are also required to undertake I know that they have their offices transactions on behalf of other Minis- in Calcutta, in Orissa and in Assam, tries to the Government So we they have their offices in other places have incurred additional expenditure also Are not these officers sending on that account also, but the Accounts any information bulletins to the Officer has since informed us that Ministry? Why is it that every year they have no objection in carrying the charges of this Ministry to the out the requisite adjustments provid- newsagency are increasing9 What are ed the Missions intimate to him the the functions of these officers func- amounts to be adjusted against the tioning in the different States? different Ministries controlling different sections of the Missions As regards Onya news broadcasts, there is a complaint that they cover There have also been some unfore- very little of Oriya local news I do seen charges For instance, there not know what is the reason for it are the* e x gratia payments to the ex- Very 'important events are taking cmployees of the ex.Municipal Coun place in Orissa Why is it that the ell, Shanghai which comes to about All India Radio or the local P IB Rs 19,350 organised by the All India Radio do not cover the important local happen- The whole Treasury at Gyantse ings m Orissa’ I hope, Sir, these was washed away during the 1954 points would be taken into considera- floods and we had to write off an- tion by the hon Minister when he other Rs 49,517 on that account replies For these reasons, Sir, it is reques- Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: Sir, I >ed that tnc^e Demands for Exress would like to make a clarification Oui Grants may be passed total overall excess of expenditure is only Rs 145,121 and the reasons The Deputy Minister of Works, for these excesses are as follows Housing and Supply (Shri Anil K Chanda): Sir with regard to th» Firstly, the actual los*. could not question put about Demand No 102, be foreseen with exactitude as ren as to whether the excess demand dition of accounts by the Mission was was for new items, the an wcr 13 delayed The old method was that that these are all old items There we had fixed exchange rates, and has been increase in the salaries of this was introduced in 1952 Recent- the railway rell increase in travel- ly, in 1956*57, all South American ling, house rent and other allowances 4107 Demand* AUGUST 24, /o r Ssew c Grantt 4108 [Shri Anil K. Chanda] ernments agree to replace the seta and of officers, increased inspection 0i juicillary items at their coat whenever stores on account of accelerated acti- jiecessary; and (v) that the sets Wil be vities of the High Commission and installed only in areas where ade- increase in the miscellaneous expen- quate coverage by the local Radio otation is available. diture like passages of officers deput- ed to th& I SI', foreign service con- tributions, contingencies to the rail- Now, of the cost, according to our way cell etc. All these are old items understanding with the State Gov- and no new expenditure is involved; ernments, about 50 per cent is paid by it is only in an excess of the budget fis and 50 per cent is paid by the allotment. .State Governments or the villagers. 'The arrangement between the vil- lagers and the State Governments is With regard to Demand No. 103, $n internal arrangement—either it is Excess of Rs. 11,47,000 under the {he local Community Development Charged item, actually as much as £lock or the panchayat or whatever Rs. 10,59,000 refer to the suspense jt may be. We do not pay any accounts. Suspense accounts mean transport charges. We only hand purchases made for current work and uver ■‘ine whs "rft one p a c e "to 'toe also for work to be taken in hand State Government. After that it is in future. So, actually, of these* ihe entire responsibility of the State Rs. 11,47,327 which is the excess, as Government. much as Rs. 10,59,754 is due to sus- pense accounts for materials pur- chased for works in hand and works Regarding licence fee, which was to be taken in hand, and this ex- Referred to, I might inform my hon. penditure refer not merely to the friend that the licence fee for a com- repair work but also to original works, munity set is Rs. 10 and the fee for not merely to the Rashtrapati schools is only Rs. 3. No doubt, we Nilayam at Hyderabad but also to 0re having at present talks___ Rashtrapati Bhavan at Delhi and Rashtrapati Nivas at Simla. Shri Panigrahi: That is being modi fied. The Minister of Information and Broadcasting (Dr. Keskar): Sir, I Dr. Keskar: Not in this ease. There would like to reply to the two or is a misunderstanding. The modifi- three points raised by Shri Panigrahi. cation that we are proposing now is regarding the cheap radio sets. We Regarding the community sets, the propose to reduce the fee in respect Community sets scheme which was pt the cheap radio sets in order to started a few years back has been put encourage people to buy radio sets, into operation under the following •fhis question is under consideration conditions: (i) that the receiving sets jind we hope to take a decision soon. are in conformity with the Indian Standard specification; (ii) that no We impress upon the State Govern- less than 25 per cent of the cost of ments the desirability of having a the sets will be recovered from ihe good maintenance organisation because villages by the State Governments, otherwise the putting in of the the balance of 25 per cent, or less #ets will not be of much use. No being met by the State Governments ^oubt, in certain States there might themselves; (iii) that the sets will be pe something to be desired in this maintained in efficient working order fespect, but I think our insistence is by the State Governments and the paving effect and the maintenance entire expenditure thereof will be organisation is improving in the States borne by the State Governments themselves; (iv) that the State Gov- from day to day. 4109 ' Deimmd* BHADRA 2, 1881 (SA K A ) for Execat Grants 4x10 Then, he put forward the question have not got a detailed net-work of at the news services. He asked, if correspondents to get news quickly we are paying more and more to the regarding local happenings We Press Trust ol India and others what are examining at present as to how are our Press Information Bureaus to make our local news bulletins doing? The hon. Member knows effective. If we put the correspon- that it is not the duty of the Press dents it will become very costly, and Information Bureau to do the work we have got a 15-minute news bulle- of the news agency. The work of tin every day. So, we are trying to both the organisations is entirely see how we can do it cheaply and different and it is quite clear. The at the same time effectively. But the Press Information Bureau’s main job suggestion made will be borne in is to keep contact between the Press mind. and the Government departments and furnished the Press with relevant in~ The Deputy Minister of Hosae formation about Government’s activi- Affairs (Shrimati Alva): Regarding ties. The reason why we have open- Grant No. 54, Police, the duplicate ed offices at the regional centres is payment made to Jammu and Kash- in order to make available to the mir was Rs. 35,12,949. There was a local Press news and data and sta- duplicate payment made, and that tistics regarding Government’s acti- has been later rectified. However, it vities in the languages, whether in took time, as the accounts of 1956-57 Oriya, Bengali, Telugu or Tamil. were finally closed. The rectification Therefore, there should be no mis- involved monetary settlement bet- understanding about the matter. The ween the two Governments, namely, Press Information Bureau Office has Jammu and Kashmir and the Govern- nothing to do with getting of news, ment of India. The amount has been because then we will be competing recovered from the State Govern- with the news agencies. That is not ment, and has been credited to re- at all o u t object. ceipt head 23, Police, in the accounts for 1957-58. 1 would like to draw attention to the fact that the payments given The Minister of Revenae and Civil here are payments for 1955-56 Expenditure (Dr. B. Gopala Reddi): According to some negotiations that Complaints were just now made that rere being carried on with the P.T.I. the excess demands have become a he exact amount that we have to regular feature of our Parliamentary «y to them was revised and, there- work. It is not true. Every possi- ore, this excess demand came in. ble effort is being made to avoid, Hiis was something which came in these excess demands. But, as is Iterwords , and it was not included said in the introductory remarks, out n the Demands for Grants then, of 153 grants and appropriations, the ►ecause then we paid what was at excesses occurred under 17 grants. hat time the scheduled rate to be In spite of all possible efforts, it could »aid. But, later on, due to represen- not be avoided, because certain things ations made by the agency the whole could not be anticipated and we do »sis for payment was revised and not get certain tracts immediately m that basis we had to pay some- from the various centres. Therefore, hing for 1955-56 and 1956-57 also. certain of these excess expenditures %at is the reason for our coming have become unavoidable. >efore the House. But we are taking all possible steps Lastly, one word regarding the to see that these excess demands are local news bulletin to which refe- not a regular feature of our work rence was made. Though this does Wherever the excesses occur, the >ot figure here, the point is that we Public Accounts Committee also go 4III Demands AUGUST 24, 1959 for Excess Grants 4112 [Dr. B. Gopala Reddi] into the question, and they satisfy then inform the House particular themselves that, imder the circum- department concerned that it has ex- stances they could not be avoided. ceeded or is likely to exceed the sanc- Therefore, it is not true that they tioned amount. Whenever there is a become a regular feature or anything Likelihood of excess or a possible ex- of that sort. cess, then the Ministry must bring the matter to the House. We are meet- Mr. Speaker; Before I put these ing thrice in a year. But the object demands to the vote of the House, I in regard to these things does not should like to say a few words. So seem to be kept in view or followed. far as the complaint that excess Nobody seems to know it. When demands have become a regular there has been an excess, ultimately, feature year by year is concerned, I after the year is over, the Auditor- would like to make a few observa- General goes and says, “You have tions. This year, about Rs. 8 crores spent away more” . There seems to is the additional amount for which be a different procedure in Great the excess demand was made. Last Britain. time, when such excess demands were brought up before the House, Now that we have adopted tlie I suggested that detailed statements ‘banking’ system, I would urge upon have to be given regarding the neces- the hon. Finance Minister to find out sity for the excess grant and so on. from time to time whether he is Some statements have been append- going to exceed the amount and then ed here. get the sanction of Parliament. No- body knows about the spending in the I would like to urge upon hon. Ministry. We go on spending. The Ministers here and also on hon. Mem- spending department is one and the ber one thing. Whene./er these sanctioning department is another. I excess grants are placed before the wish that the hon. Minister tries to House, it is up to the hon. Ministers look into the matter and see that as to inform the House on what grounds far as possible. the Public Accounts Committee had taken exception and on what parti- Dr. B. Gopala Reddi: We are try- cular items they made their com- ing our best. We come in with ments. The Ministers must justify supplementary demands if the expen- the position. Merely saying that ul- diture is anticipated within the budget timately in the Public Accounts year and when we feel that an excess Committee they sanctioned it and so amount is going to be incurred. Where on may not be enough. ' it is not possible and where we find that the excess expenditure has been For instance, there is an item in incurred after the end of the year, respect of which they did not submit then only we come in with an excess any proposal for a supplementary demand for grants. grant though the Ministry were re- minded once in January and again in Mr. Speaker: My point is this. February, 1957, and though in the There is a budget that is prepared, Constitution, there is an article which and it allows so much money for the requires the submission of excess Ministries. Now, is there any agency grants to the vote of the House. But which goes on keeping a watch over then, it is not as a rule that excess the expenditure which is likely to be grants ought to be brought in only in excess or not? Nothing, I sup- after the money is spent. The objects pose. In anticipation, it could be of the Constitution is not that. The known whether an excess is going to Ministry must be having its fingers be incurred or not. It is not as if upon the items of expenditure and whatever you spend could bg spent I 4II3 Demands BHADRA 2, 1881 (SAKA) for Excess Grants 4 114 . and that afterwards you could get Shri T. B. Vittal Rao: There are the sanction from Parliament, and cases of overpayment and double pay- then, are we to recover the amounts ment. from the officers? Except in extra- ordinary cases, when some VIPs Mr, Speaker; They ought to be come and when the expenditure has avoided. The question is: to be incurred and when it could not be anticipated...... “That the respective exces.s sums not exceeding the amounts Dr. B. Gopala Reddi: There is no shown in the third column of the difficulty with regard to the expendi- order paper be granted to the ture in connection with the VIPs. President to make good the A supplementary demand is made amounts spent during the year because it is anticipated. We are of ended the 31st day of March, course watching various items. Some- 1957, in respect of the following times we cannot get information and demands entered in the second sometimes some debits are raised at column thereof : the end of the year. Demands Nos. 25, 47, 54, 56, 57A, 64, 89, 102, 103, 106, 135,” Mr. Speaker: Is there any pro- cedure whereby the Ministry could The motion was adopted. be constantly knowing from to time to time how much amoimt would be [The motions for Demands for needed in excess and in what items Excess Grants which were adopted and thus be careful? by the Lok Sabha are reproduced below—Ed,] Dr. B. Gopala Reddi; It is not D e m a n d No. 25— ^Miscellaneous ; possible at the end of the year just E x p e n d i t u r e u n d e r t h e M i n i s t r y o f to gauge the amounts and the expen- E x t e r n a l A f f a i r s diture and say, “No further” . That is the difficulty. But all possible efforts “That a sum of Rs. 1,45,121 be are being made. granted to the President to make good an excess on the grant in Mr. Speaker: All that I am trying respect of ‘Miscellaneous Expen- to say is that the Constitution makes diture under the Ministry of - a provision for excess grants. That External Affairs’ for the year means that in the first instance, as ended the 31st day of March, far as possible, before the money is 1957.” si>ent, the Government will take the sanction of the House, and if it is un- avoidable, they will spend and come D e m a n d N o . 47—M i n i s t r y o p H e a l t b in for regularisation of the expendi- “That a sum of Rs. 1,733 be ture. Before then, it must be known granted to the President to make whether they are likely to exceed good an excess on the grant in amount or not. A watch must be respect of ‘Ministry of Health’ for kept and the concerned people must the year ended the 31st day " o f be informed about the likely exces- March, 1957.” ses in expenditure and asked to be more careful. D e m a n d No. 51—P o l i c e I am only saying this in respect of “That a simi of Rs. 35,12,949 be the recommendations made in the re- granted to the President to make ports of the Public Accounts Com- good an excess on the grant in mittee and what is said on the floor respect of ‘Police’ for the year of this House. The Ministries will ended the 31st day of March,. keep a greater watch over this matter. 1957.” 4115 D em ands fo r Stem AUGUST 24, IMS Statement re: Pay 4 116 G ran ts Cornimssion Report D o m n b No. 56— P r i v y Proses u n in respect of *Other Civil V ftttk f A l l o w a n c e s or I n d i a n Rvurb for the year ended the Slst day of March, 1957.” "That a sum of Rs. 88,775 be granted to the President to make D e m a n d No. 106—D n u s n o a r r m good an excess on the grant in Atom ic Enerqy respect of “Privy Purses and "That a sum of Rs. 2,953 be allowances of Indian Rulers' for granted to the President to make the year ended the Slst day of good an excess on the grant In* Uarch, 1957.” respect of ‘Department of Atomic Energy’ for the year ended the D e m a n d N o . 5 7 -A — L a c c a d i v i , M i n i - Slst day of March, 1957.” c o y a n d A m i n d x v i Is l a n d s Demand No. 135—Other Capital Out- “That a sum of Rs. 55,398 be lay of the Ministry op Irrioatkbt granted to the President to make a n d P o w e r good an excess on the grant in respect of ‘Laccadivi, Minicoy and “That a sum of Rs. 28,90,218 be Amindivi Islands’ for the year granted to the President to make ended the Slst day of March, good an excess on the grant hi 1957." respect of ‘Other Capital Outlay of the Ministry of Irrigation and D e m a n d No. 64—B roadcasting Power* for the year ended the "That a sum of Rs. 23,94,460 be Slst day of March, 1957." granted to the President to make good an excess on the grant in respect of *Broadcasting’ for the 13*38 hrs. year aided the 31st day of March, 1957.” STATEMENT RE: PAY COMMIS- SION REPORT DnsAND No. 89—Other Organisations UNDER THE MINISTRY OF PRODUCTION The Minister of Revenne and Civil Expenditure (Dr. B. Gopala Reddi): I would like to make a statement “That a sum of Rs. 66,30,638 be about the Pay Commission’s report, granted to the President to make in view of the anxiety displayed by good an excess on the grant in several Members of the House on the respect of ‘Other Organisations subject Of the Pay Commission’s re- under the Ministry of Production’ port for the year ended the Slst day of March, 1957.” Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): It De ma n d No 102—Su ppl ie s appeared in the Statesman that when the adjournment motion was moved “That a stun of Rs. 4,28,827 be in regard to this matter, it was said granted to the President to make that a notice for ‘calling attention* good an excess on the grant in could be given. The Minister had no respect of ‘Supplies’ for the year time to reply to the Calling Attention aided the Slst day of March, Notice. He is prepared to make a 1957.” statement only on the 28th. It meant that our adjournment motion and the ’De ma n d No 103—Ot h e r Civi l Wo r ks Calling Attention Notice would not be taken up. "That a sum of Rs. 6,52,33,504 be granted to the President to Dr. B. Gopala Reddi: This is net • make good an excess on the grant statement. I am only reporting to the 4117 Statement Te: Pay BHADRA 2, 1881 kSAKA) Demands for Szipple- 4118 Commission Report raentary Grants House that the rfcjxjrt has been re- Cr. B. Gopala Reddi: Government ieived by the Government. Nothing will certainly consider it as soon es *»ore. possible. Various notes have be prepared, the Cabinet has to consider 1 would, with your permission, iiite it and all that. We may not be able to inform the House that the Pay to take the House into full confidence Commission’s report has been signed before the House adjourns. and forwarded to Government today. It will receive the most urgent consi- Siiri S. M. Banei-jee: What is the deration, and it is our intention to di.'finition of “as early as possible”? publish the report, with Govern- One month, two months or three ment’s decision on its major recom- months? mendations, as early as possible. Dr. B. Gopala Reddi; It depends on This is only a rep'ort to the Hoxise. the nature of the recommendations. They may bo very controversial 'or Sliri T. B. Vittai Kao (Khamvnam); they may be very simple recommen- Ob a clarification. Now that the re- dations. If they are simple, perhaps port has been received— we can decide in a fortnight. But if there are many aspects to be consi- Dr. B. Gopala Reddi: It is not even dered, perhaps it will take a longer 30 minutes perhaps. iinie. How can I say when? S:i'i T. B. Vittai Rao: But I am Sfari S. M. Banerjee: The recom- glad that the House has been taken mendations may be unanimous. into confidence so soon. A fter all, the Government will examine the re- Mr. Speaker: The hon. Minister port and come to certain decisi'ons. will try to expedite it; that is all. May I know from the Minister whe- There is no question of contrbvei-sy ther the report will be released, in this matter. Hon. Members can- pending exiamination by the Govern- not pin down the hon. Minister to a ment, or, will the report be published particular date. only after the Government takes decisions on the report? 13:41 hrs. Dr. B. Gopala Reddi: As I just now said, the Government’s decisi’ons on the major recommendations of the DEMANDS FOR SUPPLEMENTARY report and the report will be publish- GRANTS ed simultaneously. That means it Mr. Speaker; The House will now would not be very late also. take up discussing and voting on the Demands for Supplementary Grants Sbri S. M. Banerjee; May I know in respect of the Budget (General) whether the recommendations of the for 1959-60. Commission—the report—will be laid on the Table of the House and the D e m a n d No. 2—I n d u s i k i s s House taken into confidence so that we shall get an opportunity to discuss Mr. Speaker: Motion moved: it? It came out in the press th at the report will only be considered by the "That a supplementaiy sum not Government and that the Govern- exceeding Rs. 1,34,000 be grant- ment’s decision will be given only ed to the President to defray the after the return of the hon. Minister charges which will come in course in October. I want t’o know whether of payment during the year nothing will be done from August to ending the 31st day of March, October. 1960, in respect of ‘Industries”.’ 185 (Ai) LSD—6. JHmmndt AUOUST m , ISM far Supplementary 0rontt Mr. I m fca: Motion moved; Dncum N*. U tM S t fw i Ovtlav # nm Mzmsmr or Smx, M aim Bb i /u d No . 18—Kxx bh n al A m a a n d F u e l “That a supplementary mm not Mr. Bpeaker: Motion move& •needing Rs. 10,00,000 be grant- ed to the President to defray the “That a supplementary sum not charges which will come in course exceeding Rs. 2,25,000 be grant- of payment during the year ed to the President to defray the ending the 81st day of March, charges which will come in course 1860, in respect of 'External of payment during the year Affairs’." ending the 81st day of Miarch, I960, in respect of ‘Capital Outlay D e m a n d No . 73—Expenditure on of the Ministry of Steel, « Displaced Persons and Minorities and Fuel’.’’ Mr. Speaker: Motion moved: 13-45 hrs. *That a supplementary sum not [Mr. Deputy-Speaker tn th e C h a ir] exceeding Rs. 8,77,92,000 be grant- ed to the President to defray the Shri S. M. Ranerjee (Kanpur): I charges which will come in course want to confine myself to the Supple- of payment during the year mentary Grants under the Ministry at ending the 81st day of March, Rehabilitation. On page 7, it is said: I960, in respect of ‘Expenditure on Displaced persons and Minori- “According to a decision arrived ties'.” at in 1958 to close down the camps in West Bengal by 81st July, 195B, Dcmand No. 107—Capital Outlay or provision for relief expenditure li» t h b Ministry of Commerce and respect of displaced persons in I n d u s t r y camps in that State was made for four months only.” Mr. Speaker: Motion moved: That a supplementary sum not About this closing of camps, I pei - exceeding Rs. 18,50,000 be grant- sonally feel—and I hope that is the ed to the President to defray the feeling of the House and outside—that charges which will come in course this decision was taken without the of payment during the year least consideration to what was hap- ending the 81st day of March, pening in Dandakaranya. When this 1960, in respect of ‘Capital Outlay decision was taken, it was taken of the Ministry of Commerce objection to and resented, not for and Industry’.” opposition's sake, but as a matter of fact we knew that the Government D b m a n d N o . 121—O th e r C a p i t a l will not be able to adhere to this date. O u t l a y o f t h e Ministry or Food and Agriculture About the Dandakaranya scheme, the other day, in reply to a question, Mr. Speaker: Motion moved: the hon Deputy Minister has said that there are many reasons. One reason he That a supplementary sum not mentioned was about the non- exceeding Rs. 88,00,000 be grant- availability of earth-moving equip- ed to the President to defray the ment oc the late availability of earth- charges which will come in course moving equipment. The second of payment during the year reason given was lack of technical ending the 31st day of March, hands for the purpose. First of all, I960, in respect of ‘Other Capital when the Dandakaranya scheme's Outlay of the Ministry of Food outlines were given by the hon. Min- and Agriculture’.” ister to this House, it was difficult to ^ it t DMMMflt IB H D R A 2, 1881 (SAXA) for Avptemcntary Grants 4 12 2 get turQx a d now the problem is Ordnanee Factories and whether they how i o move the earth We were sure being complied with told that orders were placed with the Director-General of Ordnanee Fac- tories. My information is that some I now come to the Food and Agri- of the tractors were manufactured in culture Ministry demand for Rs 89 lakhs about sugar Fortunately or the ordnance factories and handed ovet to the Ministry of Rehabilitation unfortunately, the Food Minister has resigned and his Deputy is not here I do not know who will answer my After this decision that camps will p unts, perhaps somebody from the not be closed, we must also know Treasury Benches will answer Even whether any time-limit is being fixed after the discussion here, sugar price again for the closing bf the camps has not come down m the country In We also want to know the reality today’s Times of India, it id said that about Dandakaranya, because as in price* of foodgrains have come down the past, I feel that Dandakaranya with the resignation of the hon may be another white elephant eat- Minister I want to know whether ing only money and doing nothing the price of sugar also has come As far as we know, the Dandaka- down with this resignation and if not, ranya scheme was meant to rehabili- what is the ex-factory price of sugar tate all these displaced persons, the n Ihc various States and what is the hon Minister want to the extent of price of sugar prevailing m the mar- raying that not tonly the displaced ket Before wc vote this demard we persons, but even the surpuls popula- want to know what is happening as a tion of West Bengal may be rehabili- lfsuK of the debate in Parliament tated there md if food prices are not going down, what more steps Government The Minister of Rehabilitation propose to take about all this (Shri Mehr Chand Khanna): I never said that, I object to what has been With these words, whosoever may said by the hon Member ( Inter- icp1v, I request him to throw some ruption) You live in U P and you light on these points and enlighten us talk of West Bengal' and through us the country at large Shri S. M. Banerjee* You belong to the Frontier Province and you talk of Mr Deputy-Speaker. Why should the whole country ]>e be m doubt7 The Finance Minis- ter is there and he will give the reply Mr. Depnty-Speaker. Order, order Shri Narayanankatty Menon Shri Mehr Cha?d Khanna: I live m (Mukandapuram) I would likt to Bengal confine my remarks to Demands Nos 18 and 73 Though Demand Shri S. M. Banerjee This is too No 18 comes in the form of a sup- much of provocation, Sir I want to plementary demand, it is of such a know the specific reasons why Gov- nature that by passmg it the House ernment could not adhere to the date will be committed to a major ques- of Slst July, 1959 and also whether tion of policy This demand is re- any other time-limit is being fixed. garding the allocation of Rs 10 lakhs already spent out of the Contingency We are told that India is not short Fund for the reception and other ex- of technical hands So, I want to penses in connection with the Tibe- know the basic difficulties in getting tan refugees I am not going into the technical hands About the earth- question as to whether it was proper moving equipment, I want to know to giant asylum to these refugees, whether more fresh orders have been but another major question is invol- given to the Director-General of ved in that 4123 Demand* ■ AUGUST 24, for Supplementary Grant* 4124 [Shri Narayanankutty Menon] Jlrct of all, in the laat live or ten he has come for permanent residence yean, there ha* been the question of in India Apart from the question rehabilitation as far aj certain other of the Dalai Lama, what exactly types at refugees who are Indian na- are we going to do with those tionals are concerned. Especially 10,000 people9 I want to know from the States of Madras and Kerala, whether the Government of India a very large number of people had is going to keep those 10,000 gone to places like Malaya, Singa- people as permanent residents^ try- pore^ Ceylon and Burma. Of late, ing to rehabilitate them in a better ever since the post-war days nanner than the refugees who came borause of the policies pursued by in 1947 Sir, this is a serious situa- those Governments, a large number tion When the hand of chahty was ef tnese people who had left their na- not extended to those Indian nation- tive places, cutting their roots out of al0 who returned with their families those places and who had settled in w ‘ hout a copper penny m their those countries, have been complete- hands and who are really starving on ly driven away and compelled to re- the streets of Madras and Kerala, turn to their native States especial- when, the Government did not even ly Madras and Kerala When these try to give an> assistance to them people have come back after a long whv was this extraordinary charity Liose of 20 or 30 years, absolutely extended to the armed rebels from without any money at their disposal, Tibi t m contradistinction to tho^p tt was a huge problem for the Mad- Indian nationals who are coming ras and Kerala Governments Re- luck here’ When this charity is ex- peated attempts were made by those tended to nationals of other States Sv£ie Governments to draw the who are coming here on very dubious attention of the Central Government rfjid suspicious circumstances, why to this fact that these people, Indian not the same mentality be applied to nationals domiciled in those countries, Indian nationals in other States at were completely driven away by Ihe least7 When m C<*ylon the Indian Governments of those countries and rationals are suffering like anything, they were received t>y Madras and the Government is not able to do Kerala but not even a shadow of anything and the Government is not attempt was made for granting any pirpared to receive them back In assistance to those people or rehabili- many places the Indian are still tating them suffering and the Government is not But when the question of Tibet uoing anything at all, so far as they came up, when the whole question are concerned Even when they are was not at all discussed by Parlia- driven back nothing is being done ment, Government was very eager to The hon the Prime Minister replied extend their hands af charity to the the other day that the conditions of extent of Rs 10 lakhs to receive back the people repatriated from Ceylon, anred Tibetan rebels It is qu'fe un- Malaya, Indonesia and Burma, peo- known to the Parliament and to the ple who have been driven back fiom people of India as to what the Gov- tho«e States and who have come ernment of India is going to dc wilh fcack to India, their conditions are the 10,000 refugees, because this entirely different As far as Tibet is Re 10 lakhs was spent only for re- concerned, we find that immediately ceiving them and also in connection the Tibetan question came, apart with some other exoenses Nothing from the merits of the question, the has been said whether this is a t»m- Government of India rushed to give porary affair to receive these people Rs 10 lakhs to receive them and a an') maintain them for e temporary relief committee was formed, of penod But from the statements made which the hon leader of the Praja by the Dalai Lama, it is quite well- Socialist Party is the Chairman And known and an indication is given that the Prime Minister said a r e r y hug* 4<>5 Dtmandi BHADRA 2, 1881 (SAKA) for Supplementary Grants 4126 •mount has been received from the of the State Government and the foreign countries He had actually no number of resolutions passed by the account as to how much money has State Legislature in this respect May been received. Now, what was the I seek a clarification from the hon. difference between the refugees that Finance Minister why the same mag- have come from Ceylon, Burma, nanimous chanty, which you have Indonesia and Malaya and the refu- extended to the Tibetan refugees bp gees that are coming from Tibet? As spending Rs 10 lakhs with the pros- far as we are concerned, we could see pect of spending still larger sums of only one difference, and that is as far money, is not being extended to the as the Tibetan refugees are con- poor nationals of our own State who cerned, when the relief committee are now coming to Madras and Kerala, was formed under the chairmanship namely, the toddy-tappers who are of Acharya Knpalani, much publicity being sent away from Ceylon’ Other- w b s given, large amounts o f money wise, we could imagine only one thing were collected in co-operation with The Government is over-anxious the Government, and Rs 10 lakhs ,s that the Tibetan refugees should be going to be spent by the Government received well, of course, with State and the only difference is on the poll tical plane, namely the question of dignity, as Shn Dalai Lama and also anti-communism on the part of the his paraphernalia of 10,000 people Praja Socialist party and the party received So the first question that in power, as far as the Tibetan le I would raise is that a clarification fugees are concerned Otherwise if should be given to this aspect of the the humanitarian consideration had problem namely, what are the Gov- weighed with the Government in ernment’s plans so far as these giving relief to the people of Tibet 10,000 people are concerned the samp humanitarian consideration would have weighed with the Gov- It might be impossible for him to ernment, as far as Indian nationals give an answer The hon Minister are concerned But m that case it was absent Sir it is -well known of Rehabilitation has been dealing what chanty, if it is real chanty, will with the problem of rehabilitation have to begin at home and spending crores and crores at rupees to rehabilitate those refugees who have crossed our frontiers m 1947 and miserably he has failed Whether it is Dandakaranya or Bettia, everybody knows that it is a total In Kerala a large number of people failure When m respect of these engaged m the profession of toddy- people whom we were expected to re- tapping for a long time migrated to habilitate in 1947 we have failed and Ceylon Now every year, because of we have found it is not possible t® the migration laws and othu laws deal with the problem, what are we of Ceylon, a section of the toddy- to do with these 10,000 people7 A tappers are being sent to Kerala As clarification is required to the ques- far as Kerala is concerned, it is 1m tion whether we are granting perma- possible to absorb these toddy-tapperc nent asylum and citizenship to these in the industry In view of the moun- people or, in the alternative how are ting unemployment problem there it is you going to send these people back impossible to give any employment to No indication is given whethei at these people also by the Keiala Gov any time Shn Dalai Lama and the erament and so repeated attempts other people who have chosen for an have been made by that Government armed revolt inside Tibet and who to get some assistance from the Cen have been received here, will at all tral Government^ but the Central be able to return and whether it will Government has not so far gone to be possible for the Government to their rescue, m spite of the attempts send them baek 4127 Demands AVGUST 24, 1869 for Svppltmtntory Grants 4*3^ [Shn Narayanankutty Menon] 1 am raising this question because Very recently, on the trd of August an the other day an indication was given answer was given m this House r e s id - that a sort of separation o t the cate- ing a particular house, house Now 1, gories of these people is being done Jan tar Man tar Hoad That house has IS the camps and according to certain been declared under the Act as an professions they held in Tibet an evacuee property and the Government, attempt is being made to give them that is to say, the Rehabilitation Mm- employment. And the most surpris- istry decided to auction that House. ing fact is that training facilities are The auction notice wag published.... given to these reiugeea, the Tibetan refugees, in order 10 train them in parti- Shri Mehr Chand Khaana: May I cular professions When these people know to which item on page I or T are given training in particular profes- he is referring’ sions what are you going to do with Shri Narayanaakntty Menon: I am them? When our own problem of referring to Demand No 73 of the unemployment is so acute, will it at Ministry of Rehabilitation all be possible to absorb these people also7 Will these people, after their Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question training by your spending Rs 10 lakhs which the hon Minister put is* to «n them, be absorbed in India or will which demand did this Jan tar they be sent back to Tibet after tram Road house relate7 ing so that in the future at least they could carry on peaceful occupation Shri Narayanankutty Menon: This there9 That is a question to which we docs not relate to any demand should certainly get an answer There- fore, m opposing Supplementary Mr. Deputy-Speaker: We ought to Demand No 18, I submit that unless confine ourselves to the Demands the Government is able to give a Specific sums have been asked for clarification whether they are prepar- specific items So, reference can be ed to extend the same type of relief made only to those items for which to the Indian nationals who are bemg a demand has been made We cannot driven away from Ceylon, Burma, go into the general question of dis- Indonesia and Malaya, we will have placed persons and the rehabilitation no other option except to oppose the of refugees demand Shri Narayanankutty Menon: 1 am only submitting that thr Ministry is Then I will say a word about asking for additional sums and sup- Demand No 73 relating to the Minis plementary grants and the money is try of Rehabilitation That also is a spent like this peculiar or curious demand because this Ministry spends large amounts of Mr Deputy-Speaker Particular money with very little results coming items and purposes have been speci- in In opposing the Demand 1 wish fied this much for this and this much to point a very recent instance where for that' Now, for whichever item the Ministry itself has high-lighted money is asked for reference can be how the whole administration of the made to that y»K»>»ilit«ttfin Ministry is being run The up—'^ng of the Ministry and also Shri Mehr Chand Khanna He has the way m which the Ministry behave* not tven read the items regarding certain affairs will give the impression to the people that after Mr Depnty-Speaker The hon all there is nobody to question them Member may refer to those items and the hon Minister of Rehabilitation which have been mentioned hen I is at liberty to spend the money and have no objection Bat Jentar Msntsr his own affairs unquestioned is much too near, we can deal wift It fey others I will quote the Instance some other time 4439 Demand* BHADRA 2, 1881 (SAJCA) for Supplementary Grant» 4130 COM Narayanaakatty M n ta : I 14 hn wanted to point out how waste u gOiag oa The hon Minuter is too I am told that when it was tmdei Jensitive to that the management of Hindustan Machine Tools some good syllabus was drawn Shri Mehr Chand Khanna. No, no and some training, both in theory and practical, wag given 1 hope the same Ike Depaty Minister of Kehabllita will be continued But at the same Men (Shri P S. Naskar). Certainlj time 1 would urge for the considera- not tion of the hon Minister that those workers who are in the various pro- Mr. Deputy-Speaker. He is not sensi fwiionb working in various factories tive, but I am Discussion on sup should be admitted to this training plementary demands should be res centre They should not insist on the tncted to the particular points in the minimum qualification for them It is estimates on which these grants art sufficient if they have put in in any sought The hon Minister may 01 factory as a skilled worker three to may not be sensitive to that, but I can- five or six years’ service They should j>ct allow )i he exempted from the minimum quali- fication This would be an incentive Shri Narayanankutty Menon. All to the workers to advance their sklD right, I am not proceeding on that <>nd undergo training But during this period of training some sort of a Shri Mehr Chand Khanna Thank "t Pend, scholarship or wages should you. he given to make up the loss of wages Shri T. B. Vittal Rao (Khammamj that the\ would undergo My hon fnend who has preceded me Then I come to the last item I has opposed the demands relating to welcome this Demand also, that is, for certain Ministries But I welcome the the formation of the Indian Oil Com- demand undei "Industries”, Demand pany Limited There is a dexnang of No 2, regarding the taking over of Rs 2 lakhs 1 suppose, it ib only a the training centre which has been token demand I hope, after this managed so far by the Hindustan Indian Oil Company takes up the dis- Machine Tools While I am on these tribution and sale of oil, we can expect demands, I have to make one or two that at least then cheap kerosene will observations be supplied which our country is in ne*d of They are paying a very In our country, there is a shortage * heavy price The foreign monopolists, -of skilled and supervisory personnel these oil kings of Burmah-Shell, though we have embarked upon a Stanvac and others are making a huge huge Second Five Year Plan of uidus profit Therefore, I welcome this tnalisation which requires a lot of But, at the same time, while forming skilled workers in addition to engi- the Board of Directors for this I neering graduates and diploma- w©uld like the hon Minister to con- hdders One fact which we felt was sider one point and that is that he about the training to be given to tht puts some really capable people in it intermediate categories in the various because it is a very new venture In factories For instance, we are told my experience, when these members that there will be a shortage donng of the boards of directors of various the Second Plan period itself of nearlv companies are nominated I find that 6.500 engineers and diploma-holders >t is something like throwing patron- other than civil engineers Therefore *g* 'niev select people from their steps dhould be taken to tram as own Party I do not grudge if they many people as possible in th? skilVrl select people from their own and supervisory categories A train provided thev are really tar centre like this would greatlr capable but some people who are put M p th«re as directors of the company Demands AUGUST 24, 1959 for Supplementary Grant* 413* [Shri T. B. Vittel Rao] know nothing about the subject which Central Ministers—I do not mean (be they have to deal with. Thu aort of hon. Minister of Minority Affairs, bol thing mould be put an end to. I do some other Central Ministers—in tttabr not mind whoever is nominated on the ' enthusiasm told their people that they board of directors but that person are going to create a new Bengal in should really be a capable person and Dandakaranya. Once these utterances must have a little knowledge at least were made, naturally they had thefcr of the industry to which he is posted. repercussions in the minds of th* With this suggestion I welcome this local people and also in the .minds at Demand. the State Governments. They thought, “Well, it is something strange. When Shri Panigrahi (Puri): Mr. Deputy- we are giving our territory such things Speaker, Sir, I refer to Demand No. 73 are being talked of.” So, naturally with regard to the expenditure on from the very beginning because of displaced persons and minorities. such irresponsible utterances, misgiv- Much has been said about the slow ings arose in the minds of the State progress of work in Dandakaranya. Governments though * they did not There is nothing unnatural about it. express it I can bring it to the notice As far back as September, 1958, when of the hon. Minister of Minority this question came up for discussion Affairs, though he has not made such in this House I had anticipated it. The observations, that the local press, nature of the task is so difficult and almost all the important papers of it is such a huge task and that part Orissa seriously condemned these of the country is such an inaccessible utterances and naturally apprehen- area that it is not so rasy as the sions were created in the public mind Rehabilitation Ministry had thought of that State. it to be. I am glad that they have accepted it now. They have had practical difficulties and they have Recently the hon. Minister went all come to admit it at last, that is, that the way to convene a high level con- the progress has been slow. But while ference. The State representatives, pointing out this difficulty, I would the Chief Ministers of the Govern- like to bring to the notice of the hon. ments of Orissa and Madhya Pradesh Minister some practical problems and the authorities of the Dandak- which this project will face if really aranya Development Authority were we want to expedite the same. ^ all asked to attend. There was a high level conference and our hon. Minister The first thing which the hon. Min- was present there. Now, what was ister might have come across during the difficulty? Why was this high these years is the various points of level conference called for? It was dispute that arise very often. It may because after a certain progress was be either due to a misunderstanding made in the project, difficulties of or due to some really practical reasons giving over land came. The Govern- that disputes have arisen between the ment of Orissa also found it difficult different State Governments, such as to part with a large chunk of territory Madhya Pradesh and Orissa, and the for this area. Similarly, that difficulty Dandakaranya Development Authority. was also posed by the Madhya Pradesh I hope the hon. Minister will make it Government. It is good that the high clear. level conference was held. In that high level conference at least some of From the very beginning there is a the differences have been discussed. I misapprehension, or rather some mis- hope it will ease the situation and givings in the minds of the two State may help in expediting the work. Governments. When this project was being made popular among the refu- But what wae the difficulty? The gees in Calcutta and in camps, some difficulty was with regard to the toM 4IJ3 Demands BHADRA 2, 1881 (SAKA) for Supplementary Grants 4134. amount of land which will be made The respective areas must be given available to the Dandakaranya autho- over for administration both to the rity. I do not know whether I am Orissa Government and the Madhya right, but 10 far as the newspaper Pradesh Government I think that reporta that have reported the findings misunderstanding should be cleared of this high level conference go it is from the beginning because it is re- Mid that an agreement has been reach- acting on the minds of these people ed between the Dandakaranya Deve- £ was coming to the point about land lopment Authority and the Govern- reclamation To many of the questions ments of Madhya Pradesh and Orissa put here, the hon Minister has stated over the area to be reclaimed for that the amount of land which has rehabilitation m that area The total been reclaimed so far, if I am correct, area which will be made available, so is only 2,000 acres I would like to far as the report goes, by Madhya know from the hon Minister, out of Pradesh Government and by Orissa these 2,000 acres how much land is Government comes to about 2,26,000 readily available for cultivation From acres or something like that I am that we can know how many families . subject to correction can be removed immediately to that area There was another point which Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: 2,16,000 was elso discussed I do not know acres whether the hon Minister will admit it When the Government of Orissa Shri Panigrahi: 2,16,000 acres I wai> agned to allot land in Omarkot in just trying to point out as to why this Koraput district, which formed part high level conference was called for of the project, they wanted an assur- The work in Dandakaranya area some- ance from the Ministry that when the times came to a standstill Many land i*> reclaimed, whether you are people do not go to that area I have going to give 50 per cent of the land visited that area once or twice I have reclaimed to the local Adivasi people seen, because of this difference bet- That was the assurance which was asked for by the State Government ween the Dandakaranya Development Authority and the local Governments, Thp hon Minister, I think, also went all the way to give the assurance, all sometimes, the progress of work comes right when the land is reclaimed, 50 to a standstill Really it came to a per cent of the land will be given to standstill when this high level con- the local Adivasis ference was called by the hon Min- ister What are these difficulties7 Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: May r Lack of co-operation between the correct’ It is 25 per cent D D A and the respective State Gov- ernments The apprehension which I Shri Panigrahi: I am coming to the was pointing out is that the Central dispute Recently in Orissa, all the Government will try to carve out this important daily newspapers, those who Dandakaranya area for rehabilitation belong to the Government Congress and may turn it into a Union territory party, the Samaj, have said that the or a Centrally administered area That hots Minister has gone back on his difficulty is working in the minds of promise That is, first, they asked and the local people of Orissa They have they were assured 50 per cent; now already lost a large amount of terri- they say that they will allot only 25 tory to Bihar in Saraikella and per cent of the land Naturally, in Kharaswan Now they feel that by the minds of the local Adivasis, in another way, they are going to lose Koraput, in the minds of the people of more than 10,000 square miles from Orissa, and also in the minds of the their own territory Naturally, this Congress people, this thing is agitat- point should be made clear by the ing That is, first they were assured hon Minister that it la not going to SO per cent when reclaimed, and now be a Centrally administered area they say that *8 per cent only will be 4 1 iS Demands AUGUST 24, 1988 fo r Supplementary Groat* 4i j 5 [Shri Panigrahi] given to the Adivasts It menu that 188 families are agriculturists. H mqt whatever assurances are given in the have given 7 acres of land to each beginning may be alio ignored or the agricultural family. If you work Jt Minister may go back on whatever he out, it come* to really not 187 but 84 lays That feeling u there I think families I would like to know front that should also be removed the hon Minister exactly how many agriculturist families have been Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: May I removed to that area Because, in intervene for a second at this stage7 answer to one of our questions, the At no tune we committed ourselves to hon Deputy Minuter stated that only anything beyond 25 per cent That 441 acres of paddy land have been has been our intention from the very available for cultivation, out of 2,000 beginning Commitments to that acres extent have been made and shall be honoured The Deputy Minister of BefcaMltte- tton (Shri P. S. Naakar): Paddy has Shri Panigrahi. I leave it to the been cultivated There are other cash Government of Orissa and the Union crops Ministry of Rehabilitation, because that controversy is going on Shri Panigrahi. 1 would like to Shri Mehr Chand Khanna No, no know how many acres are under cash crops That also should be made there is no controversy clear Shri Panigrahi. That is the point which the Government of Orissa want- With regard to closing down of ed to bring to the notice of the hon tamps in Bihar and Orissa, a few days Minister ago, the bon Minister stated that the work has progressed well Today, in Mr. Deputy -Speaker. Now, it hai the Supplementary demands, we find been made clear There ought to b*> that in Orissa there is one camp and no doubt about it in Bihar there is the Betiah camp And the progress is not satisfactory The Shri Mehr Chand Khanna. No com- Orissa camp was decided to be closed munication I have received from the in May Finally, it is not going to be Orissa Government on this matter closed What is happening there in the case of Bihar7 It has been said Shri Panigrahi: All the people and that land is not available What is papers in Orissa and the Orissa Gov- happening in Orissa9 I think the hon ernment are feeling like this Minister must be knowing that the Mr. Deputy - 8pemker. Hie misunder Government had also undertaken another reclamation scheme for re- standing has been removed settlement of refugees in the Chilka Shri Panlgralii: When the Govern area Nearly 4,000 acres were reclaim- ment of Orissa has one mind for the ed Out of 4,000 acres, 2,317 acres have hon Minister and one mind for the been allotted to the refugees Still, people, I cannot say anything land is there The hon. Minister went to that area in Busanpur The local Mr. Depaty-Speaker That could be landless people met him in deputatMtu said there I recently visited that area hen Minister assured them, 1 was told. U Ihri Panigrahi' With regard to land is available, he will consider the reclamation, I w n pointing out that case of the local landless people That *2,008 acres have been reclaimed So land is not given to the landless -tut, only 288 families have b en people It is not ghcn t* the landless -removed 1» that ptae* O'** them, people or the caeap people 4*37 Demand* BHADBA 2, 1881 '(SAJCA) for Supplementary Grants 4138 Mr. Deputy-8peek«r: Would that be Shri Pangnhi: I am correcting; an* * • job of the Rehabilitation Ministry? crore and seventy four lakhs. Shit P ia ip iU : Ttoey are wider- Shri Mehr Chand Not this taking that project for resettling the year. camp people in Charbatia. Shri Panigrahi: In 1958-59. I am 8feri Mehr Chand Khanna: is the coming to 1960. In 1958-59 you allot- ban. Member pleading the case of the ted Rs. 3 crores. You could spend local landless people or the refugees? only Rs. 174 lakhs. The hon. Minister may give me the correct figures, but Shri Panigrahi: Local landless peo- I think I am correct. ple. Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: I shall Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: I am check up the figures not responsible for that. Shri Panigrahi: The landless people Shri Panigrahi: For 1959-60, Rs. 6 met him in deputation when the hon. crores were allotted. I would like to Minister visited that area. I was know how much out of these six crores referring to that of rupees has been spent so far. 1 do not say that the hon. Minister may Mr. Depnty-Speaker: If these peo- spend anything he likes there. The ple for whom he is not responsible point that I am urging is that he must come in deputation and represent to take into consideration whether the him that they should be given land, way we are spending there is really how can he find land for them? economical Shri Panigrahi: This land belongs With regard to the slow progress of to the Rehabilitation Ministry, because the work, I have already said that it they have to spend money I am is a difficult task, and nobody who coming to that. They assured that has not seen that area can ever after the land is allotted to the re- imagine how difficult the task is. But fugees, if there is any surplus, where it is now admitted that the progress will it go It will go to the landless of the work is slow. The Ministry of people. With regard to this reclama- Rehabilitation may now justify it in tion scheme, I would also urge upon this way that slow and steady wins the hon Minister another point the race That is all the more better. It is no use pouring down money there After spending Rs 5 lakhs in the and spending to the tune of Rs. SO Chilka Reclamation scheme, they crores in Dandakaranya without reclaimed 4,000 acres 1 was just cal- achieving any result therefrom culating If you spend Rs. 5 lakhs, you can get 4,000 acres It comes to As regai ds tht* expenditure involved, Rs. 150 or 200 per acre How much I would urge upon the hon Minister are we going to spend in the reclama- to see that the utmost economy is tion of 1 acre of land m Dandak- effected in expenditure, because it is aranya? The hon Minister said that not really possible for us in that diffi- it was cheaper 1 would like to know cult area to undertake such a vast from the hon. Minister how much it project, if it is not economical, then costs. We had allotted to spend Rs. 3 a huge amount from the public ex- crores in the 1958-99 budget for carry- t lu-quer if going to be misutilised ing out the Dandakaranya scheme, there but we could only spend Rs 174,000. The Government of India (Ministry 8M Mefcr Chand Khanna: One of Rehabilitation) in consultation with aror» and seventy four latte. the Ministers of Orissa and Madhya 4<39 Demands AUGUST 24, 10® /or Supplementary Grant* 4140 - [Shri Panigrahi] Pradesh have now formed an informal done in this regard? Once I had b a a committee to look into this matter. 1 to that area, of course, not recently, would like to know what the powers but last year, and I found that the of this informal committee are. progress of the work was too slow. When so many people are going to be resettled there, I would like to know Die complaint against the Chief from the hon. Minister what positive Administrator there is that sometimes steps have been taken to see that the be is very much high-handed in his medium and minor irrigation projects behaviour. which were given top priority, deve- lop very fast. Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: Against whom? TUPfh: : t t t - Shri Panlgrahl: Against the Chief Administrator of the Dandakaranya i t ^ I Development Authority- The local officials sometimes complain that he is very much high handed in his behavi- 'STgl cfff finis OT our; and as it is situated in a most inaccessible area, there is very little $35 possibility of superior officials of Gov- swar 3f f t ernment of India officer going and visiting that area and checking up the % yPT "IPr S-j ii«i % '3^T3 =FX expenditure every now and then. 3 ^ ^ * T3TT* Then, I would submit that before V ^ 5ZTTST *T9T 3*JT VT reclaiming all this land, priority should fesror 1 ^ be given to developing the lines of t trsp 3ST communication. I would like to know the exact amount which has been 'SPHj STRT 3ft spent up till now in developing the f o r r t o t «tt o t o t c lines of communication and in making the area really accessible. ^•TT ^rrf^*T *TT ^ F T *TST * | 5ft ^ fa so % 3XTKT WTT OT3T ^ f^TTf *TiJT The other day, I had put a question «T3TW % regarding the construction of the rail- way line. It was because of the importance of that line, that it was Tsrnr ^rrrsr wqrar given top priority.- But we were told ^ ?nrPTT OT fjsr ^ t STOTT that even the survey of this work will take two years more. At that rate, perhaps, it may take even ten Vt f r mftH # *rf «r a t c ft w f % w t f *w ** fa * irwrt ^ ^r vn rfi wrfwrt i?t ^ r »rr :f«c farro 3 t i f t M to t* % fatf *tot w f a q m 1 1 * f t %r*r p P T T H *j*r * to t ft iir o % fsrcr ?rrV% % 3*wt f%^m *p t TOOT ? ?W ? t fl^ lT # i t z qifaytTW ^ 3ft ^ f«rt ^snr ^r f?r% v17 wrrf*rat Tt jpft *^tw % qm JT? ftnFm f% gft fJ|f ? ?tM ^ >rfNf f%cr# $ « n * ^ f ^srt JtT -STT^jft fspT^t ftf fTWTT rft»r"t «Pt T(nr?r *rcvrc ^ *r?r 5rr»r ^C^rarrar t. f®5 BIT^7rr ^ 5H<<1^ f t %?K ^ T 5 t f ^ T 1 ?»Trft W ? ^ f t 5W?T h 4149 D tm tn d t AUGUST W, 19B§ fo r S *p p t*n m ta ry GHtnu 4144 A i t Wunwhi (M X u n * J ^ o ftrf] NarnaUt 3 desk): Mr. Dcsmtjr-Speakor, I dedw to speak on two Demands, Nos. IS ami & «rc*ft them handicrafts and settling them, if they have not settled any principles pdaatble, ob land that we may have with regard to distribution yet I am That is a big task. The hon. Minister not talking of the detailed distribution mmy say that it is perhaps too early plan which will take quite a long time yet to do so. But I may tell him that to be ready. But they have not even unless we have some definite scheme decided on the principles on which in mind and even as the refu- we have to proceed. If any such prin- •geea come we start settling ciples are decided upon, the House tfMm up and training them up so that would like to be enlightened so that they become settled as part and parcel if the House has any opinions on of this land at least for a long time them, at least in the incipient stage, to come, the result will be what we it may convey them to Government. have seen in connection with refugees I am not against this Demand at all from Pakistan—that there will be a I think they are asking for too small laissez faire policy, of supporting them an amount even now. But this House as far as we can. Therefore, while I must be kept informed of the progress would welcome this Demand—and regarding distribution facilities and many more that may come—I would additional storage facilities that we are ask the Minister to have a definite going to provide, what is the general policy. I think from now on while outline of the scheme and what are the exodus is small, we might start the principles on which distribution having definite ideas about those will proceed No information about things these is being conveyed to us and it ic my request to the hon. Minister in Then I come to Demand No. 130— charge that such information should capital outlay of the Ministry of Steel, be supplied to the House at the earliest Mines and Power—where a sum *of moment Rs. 2,25,000 is required for a distri- bution programme m connection with Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi (Ludhiana): the petroleum products of the two Mr Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I will con- refineries. This is also a big question fine my submissions only to Demand which requires to be carefully consi- No 73 I congratulate the Ministry of dered. To my mind, the amount of Rehabilitation on having come to a Rs. 2,25,000 even as a starting nucleus decision to change the rehabilitation of an expenditure fund is far too loans, which had been given to desti- small. The point I am making is that tute persons who were shifted from in the oil industry, the question of the camps to the villages, into rehabi- distribution is a major problem I do litation grants This is as it should not know how far the amount of have bien I equally congratulate Rs. 12 crores, which is the capital them on changing the loans to widows, which would be subscribed wholly by and destitute unattached women, Government, would help m attaining which were given for the purpose of the objectives of this company Taking buying sewing machines and other over at refinery points the products things, also into reliefs. This is a step of the two refineries and selling them which has been rightly taken for in bulk to the existing marketing com- which, as I have already said, the Min- panies, building up additional distri- istry of Rehabilitation deserves all bution facilities (including retail out- congratulations. lets), building up storage to supply petroleum to government organisa- tions as well as building up storage for This is the second time that the Min- other purposes—these are not small istry of Rehabilitation is coming with objectives, and the expenditure on this relief If the House will recollect, them will run into a huge figure, far the Ministry once remitted a certain more than Rs. 12 crores. category of small loans up to Rs. 300* or Rs. 500 previously. That also gave But what I want to point out is that very great relief to a large number of though they have progressed so far, people. And now a second time they 4 M7 Demand* AUGUST 24, IBM for Supplementary Gnmts 4x48 (Shn Ajit Singh Sarhadi} have come But I must say that com- to allow them to give sureties tar ing in this way would not be very payment of the arrears, surety Id feelpful The Ministry should be the satisfaction of the Settlement Con*- generous enough to take into consi- miS8ioner and not to deprive them ot deration all the categories which are the houses Certainly, because at very hard hit in the present circum- certain circumstances and reasons stances beyond their control they are not able to pay the arrears and, as such, they 1 will take this opportunity to draw do not become entitled to the posses- the attention of the hon Minister to sion of the houses in their occupation. •certain other categories There is one •category of non-claimant allottees Shri Mehr Chand Khanna. May 1 against whom there are large amounts through you, Sir, seek one clarifica- -of arrears I quite see that the per- tion’ Is the hon Member referring sons who do not pay but who can to the class of non-claimants who are afford to pay should be proceeded tenants and who wish to remain 19 against But, you will appreciate that tenants or is he referring to the class in this category of non-claimant of non-claimants who are tenants and refugees who are m arrears there is who wish to become owners and are a certain class who are entitled to in arrears’ those houses on instalment basis But they cannot have these houses to themse'ves even on the payment of Shn Ajit Singh Sarhadi: I refer te 20 per cent instalment of the value that class of tenants who wish to below Rs 10 000 unless they clear off become owners of the houses below the arrears tht value of Rs 10,000 and to which they are entitled, to the ownership of 1 know of several cases, and I have which they are entitled on payment of brought one or two to the notice of 20 per cent initially and five instal- the hon Minister, where the non- ments subsequently In their cases, claimant allottees have not been able the rules lay down that the arrears to pay the arrears and their allotments must be e’eared first and then the 20 have been cancelled and they have pir cent instalment should be paid been evicted This is very hard It That is what I am told I know of is a matter to which the hon Minister cases where allotment has been can- should give his attention I have celled for the simple reason that the already submitted that in those cases individual is in arrears The order of no concession is called for and harsh- ejectment has been issued I think I ness is necessary where they are in have drawn the attention of the hon a position and can afford to pay But Minister to one or two cases when an individual cannot afford to pay and is m arrears for reasons My submission is that a non-claim- beyond his control, should he be dep- ant allottee of a house to which he rived—should he be proceeded against is entitled under the rules to owner- for arrears and should he be depriv- ship on payment of certain instal- ed of the house to which he would, ments should not be deprived of that /Otherwise, under the rules, be entitled ownership simply because he is in on payment of 20 per cent’ That is arrears of rent I would also say that hard indeed the local authorities, the men on (he spot, should be empowered to give con- I would say that m such cases the cessions where the individuals are policy of the Ministry should be to deserving The best thing would be ■empower the Regional Settlement that even m cases where the Ministry Commissioners to look into the deserv- comes to the conclusion that the ing cases and to give an extension of arrears should be paid, they may be tune for the payment of the arrears, given a chance and the allotment 4&V9 Dimmhii BKADRA 2, liil (SAKA) for Supplementary Grants 4150 ihouM aet be cancelled simply be- to which I would draw the attention cause they are in arrears of the hon Minister and they are the owners of non-substantial houses la 4fcrt Ittfcr Chand Kfeaaoa: Probab- Pakistan. In their case, I concede that ly, the hon Member is not conversant grants have been sanctioned But with Ihe decision fhat we took some they are very meagre In this cate- months ago Previously, in the case gory also I would say they are very at non-claimants we wanted that poor and hard hit and the rehabilita- before they became owners of thi tion loan should be turned into relief bouses, they should clear off the I would only submit that m their caw arrears and pay 20 per cent, instalment also some concession should be given and the balance over a period of 7 and the grants increased years Taking into consideration cases of the nature which the hon Member has referred to, we took a There is a third category to which I decision some months ago that he would draw the attention of the hoa should pay only 20 per cent of the Minister What I understand is ftfa arrears along with 20 per cent or the The village houses that are in the first instalment and the balance of occupation of Hanjans are being valu- the arrears should be paid cotermin- ed—priced and assessed I understand ous with the instalments—that is over also that a very short time is given a period of 7 years So, we have given to the occupant Hanjans to make pay- them a concession far beyond what ment failing which eviction orders are the hon Member himself has suggest- issued Of course, I am speaking sub- ed ject to correction But, what I am informed is this In some cases Shri Ajit Singh Sarhadi: I am glad notices of only 2 or 3 days have been and thankful to the hon Minister for given for payment I do not know the assurance he has given In fact, wnat the amount is I would draw the I was not aware of what happened attention of the hon Minister to this dunng the last few months Here that a procedure should be adopted again I would submit that this con- by which the occupants who are askeo cession should have retrospective to make payments should be given effect It should not be discriminatory sufficient time to make the payment) in nature This order which has Tnere should be no hardship in those recently been issued, probably within cases the last 3 months, should have retros- pective application and an individual I would submit again that we are should be given an opportunity to pay \ery grateful to the hon Minister for 20 per cent of the arrears along with Ihe concession he has given in the the 20 per cent instalment Possibly relief of Rs 80 lakhs in one case and the cases which I have m my view Rs 20 lakhs in another I hope and to which I was making a refer- will be followed by other concessions ence are cases where the allotments were cancelled before this order and Shri A. C Guha (B&rasat) Mr this concession had been given I Dcputy-Speaker, Sir, I would begin would submit that this concession with Demand No 73 I also congra- should have retrospective effect and all tulate the hon Minister on his having those who have already been in occu- taken the decision to write off some pation should be given a chance of loans given to West Pakistan refugees, getting the house which those refugees are not in a position to repay My second submission is this The hon. Minister is so kind to take into In this connection I would like to consideration the question of remis- draw attention also to similar cate- sions I certainly agree that he has gories in West Bengal and other areas spent nearly Rs 350 crores There is where East Pakistan refugees have however, another category of person* been settled For no fault of these m (Ai) L S.D —7 4*5* Demands AUGUST 24, 1059 Supplementary Grant* ^ 5* [Shri A. C. Gutaa] refugees some of the government htwntfse the cantp inhabitants u e schemes of rehabilitation in the earlier demoralised by iorcea idleness. Xbeur days were not properly planned and vigoitf and energy is bung corroded. bo rehabilitation has not been actually The parlier these camps are liquidated, effected. What may be called eco- the tetter for the Government and for nomic rehabilitation of the refugees the refugees themselves has not been done in most cases. It should also be remembered that they are not getting any compensation for It was not possible to keep to the their properties left in East Pakistan target date of 1st of July this year I would appeal to the hon. Minister to for t^e 1 quidation of these camps in consider their cases and see whether West Bengal. I do not blame much their loan also can be written off in the Government for that because a similar manner It is no use impos- instead of hurrying the liquidation ing on them a moral obligation which and ?end.ng the refugees to some kind they are not in a position to fulfil and of ^planned schemes, it is better to encumbering the accounts of the Gov- have well-planned out schemes and ernment of India with huge amounts then to take out the refugees. Now YfBil tfttafcsntang. T nt 'Yfariatwrr 'xn\ro» tJiR. daift. crotfd. inf. ha. that most of those people are not in adhered to, what is the next thing to a position to repay the loan given to be done* When dot's the Minister them and the fault, m most cases, lies expect that these camps will be %ith the Government, not with them liquidated and the refugees sent to because the schemes were not properly Dandakaranya or to some other place* frittaed and real economic rehabilita- I think th-s will not go beyond this tion was not effected financial year, 31st March, 1960 The target rate which was fixed, July, There are certain categories of camp 1959f was not f°r the PL camps Is population in West Bengal known as ,t tPe idea of Government to keep the permanent liability DP's—com- thesl camps for an indefinite period monly called PL camps. Instead of or to help the inmates to get them- keeping them there for all time to s e lv e s rehabilitated through some come, I wish the Government may han(Pcra*ts or some other profession also take up some scheme as has been whic^ may be taught to them* done in the case of Punjab where the widows were given some sewing machine and some handicraft was I vvould again ask the hon Minister taught They may be helped to reha- not t° waste hi3 time and energy and bilitate themselves with such handi- mon^y on som e dubious and doubtful crafts Instead of wasting money year schemes Several times I have after year on these PL camps, I think it requested him not to go m for the would be a more sensible scheme to bayananam a scheme and I would once train these unattached women in agait1 request him not to do so. It some handicrafts such as handloom, 1S a fraud perpetrated on the refugees sewing or tailoring or something like and the Government I think he that and help them to get settled in knoyrs it and the West Bengal State life. That would save the Government Min»ster knows it. Still, I cannot Quite a good amount of money every undcrstand> why that scheme tShri A. C. Guha] Khaima’s Ministry. I think after i qft faft «g*r t fr 4 ** sometime Government may come to a tfCTTT * aft fW jtj decision. qaiw % far t o r m Shri Mehr Chand Khaana: You ft*jT fa itof vt ftir want to take the Tibetans too? I art*, * anSf t o ? g f $ t f t t * £Nr thought you were a friend of mine ^ % jtt vrw £ i Shri A. C. Gnha: I am a fnend of $ fa WT JH5 £fa $ fa yours. Anyhow, Sir, that is not the it f * # amr ilk main point. Their number is also going to increase. The attitude of the 5IM faffTC Vt Chinese Government towards India ant I W ff and Tibet is not quite good for us g fa ITT «ft# ffTB *ft Wf and we apprehend that the number of Tibetan refugees will go on increas- fa* ar^r a * * «rfo r * t art wx ing. How long will it be possible $, ^ w $ra?r $ 1 for tor the Government to bear this res* pons.bility? Is it not possible for the Government even now to approach % «TT I *TS fafr % some international refugee organisa- m 1FTT-WTCT n tion? I know there are some non- official international refugee organisa- *Pt TOPIT »PTT «U, faFT H tions like the Nansen organisation % fcrf'FZT til^ % % Jjdifim which can help and which usually render help to political refugees in other countries I think the UNO lift *raT ^ 1 aft w ifrr should also bv< approached in this *ftn t «ft st >rf, % *mft ^ matter. In the meantime, Sir, we all gflTCT faefH 3BJT K flV W t support this Demand for the Tibetan refugees. We also extend our heart- to t t felt sympathy for the unfortunate Tibetan refugees who have been forc- W *T 3?T «FT JTfjf ift *TT ed to leave their country due to the f TOT 1 % | fa *T % FRT vm V T fa m ^nfsr £ 1 fq vt WIT fa^PTT Wlf^t I ^ qm ^ f a ^ R fh r H 7 VTT ITT $• 'fto flT^TT % m w n uprffortrawpr 13^ vt fV?PTT WiT Pmr gUT I I fcfa^ « r «r w t 9 , rit <*mnr im u ^ i t i ^ V^TT $ fa 3?T % H«FV t 3TPC ^ ^Hft ft? 'ft'R ft ?PTT % vnfhriw %fat*mfHTi *w*fq^r|fa* •ft vtw> sfw «rW A * * w ^ % q f *t *t wrprtf wft sFnn^r ’jqr f 1 *15 wrr TOTT fa *?!* | t^ R trtTHTVTT^WVt W ^ tftvr 4 & f t % fat fasten t, w *^r qnr % «ftr fqi7 flHWT w frair % fn*i# iftr qsr *?r fa**fcw ?n rocqw «t£tar : fW * gm ft v * |*rr^ tot $ W$ $, t i fti*5 * *hit fjt*iT i ^ 5Wnft ^ITf T O *Ft VPW (T «ftr, irf? t ^Tf, ft T ff ^ aft «ft ft*rf?r ft farcr f t *»r 3 5 fare fa*rr 5n«%, 3 «rw , % Jrfir ^ ^ >ft fifT [Shri D. C. Sharma] privileges of this House. All that we men for their own work and thajr «— do is to five them a welcome and were not in need of the training; we have given them a welcome. All scheme. So, last year the Ministry that we can do is that we should give appointed a committee, as mentioned them freedom of religious observances, in the hand book, to review the whole Which we have given. All that we scheme and to see whether the train- ean do is that we should make their ing centre can be profitably used for stay as comfortable as possible. At the wider orbit of technical training the same time, I think the External so much needed in our country. Affairs Ministry should certainly do something which will enable those 15.23 hrs. parsons to engage themselves in gain- ful employment. So far as I know, [S h r i B a r m a n m the Chair] they are arranging 3ome work centres and things of that kind which will It is in pursuance of this commitee’s enable them to fit in. recommendations that it is now decid- ed to buy the equipment from this So, while I do not say that they a n training centre and so rearrange and on a par with the refugees from East reinforce it by some new machinery Pakistan or West Pakistan, I still say as to provide training for three cate- that we should make their stay in gories of trainees very much in our country as comfortable as possi- demand in the country About 40 ble. We should make them feel at places will be given to trainees for re- home in our country and we should conditioning machine tools and pre- make them look upon this country as ventive maintenance About 120 a country which has, on account of places will be given to trainees for ixnmefcnorial traditions, welcomed tool-making including die-making and them with open arms. Beyond that, 80 places to trainees for highly skilled I fail to see what more we can do at machine operators. Shri Guha men- this juncture. I do not think all the tioned that the trainees for this questions raised by my hon. friends scheme should be drawn from all over over there have any relevance here. the country There can be nothing So, I welcome this demand and I hope more welcome to us than this valuable the External Affairs Ministry, which suggestion That committee itself had has appointed some special officer and recomended that the trainees should which has also done other things for be drawn from all parts of India; looking after them, will see to it that particularly those States where indus- those persons are made—they are trialisation has to move faster than in already comfortable—more comfort- other States should be given prefer- able in time to come ence The Minister off Industry (Shri Maanbhal Shah): I am glad that Demands Nos. 2 and 107, which are But I may mention here that the part of the same scheme have been trainees here are not going to be favourably commented upon by my freshers as m a polytechnic institute hon. friends, Shri Guha and Shri or diploma school They are going to Vittal Rao. As the House is aware, be those people who are already in this scheme for training in Hindustan the industry or m some institution, Machine Tools was originally meant either governmental or private and only for very high precision specialist who have to be given further speci- training—what is called “in-plant alised training—TWI—training within training” . As the scheme was m the industry, as it is called or in-plant operation for the last four or five training The total expenditure of years, the Hindustan Machine Tools the scheme will not be as high as it found that they had trained enough was before, v is, Rs. 200 or Rs. 250 A 4I6J DWMttb BHADRA 2, 1M1 (SAKA) for Supplementary Grant! 4x6ft Month per trainee The total expendi- Ministry is going into those various, ture now will be about Rs ISO per schemes which have either been par- boy per month of which the institu- tially fulfilled or wholly fulfilled or tion sending the boys after proper as Shri Guha said, a few schemes here selection will bear Rs 80 per month, and there which have not been imple- which will be the fees to be charged mented (Interruption) I do not bjr this training centre for the boys think it is as bad as mentioned by my coming either from the public sector hon friend, but it is certainly right or the private sector or other organi- and proper that when public monejr sations and institutions The remain- is spent on the rehabilitation of ing Rs 70 per month per boy will be refugees, particularly in the industrial borne by Government My friend, field, we should see that the schemes Shri Vittal Rao, wanted to know whe- are properly implemented and as ther there will be a stipend There much number of refugees as possible will be a stipend given to the extent are employed in those schemes In of Rs 70 a month In all, the scheme the past, I am sorry that for one- will cost an additional amount of reason or other m some schemes, the Rs 5 lakhs to Rs 7 lakhs on the number of refugees has not been as capital side and about Rs 2,50,000 a much as promised originally There- year on the recurring side, of which were many practical difficulties com- about Rs 1,70,000 are expected to be ing in the way, but 30 far as the received by way of fees The rest future is concerned, we are trying to will be borne by the committee or see that these schemes really become the organisation which will handle the schemes for resettlement and rehabili- scheme tation of the refugees rather than purely for industrial development^ This is going to All a very widely which could not be taken up under felt need in the country’s develop- the orbit of rehabilitation ment, particularly for floor managers and foremen for the shops, m which With these words, I thank the hon we are greatly deficient I welcome Members for welcoming the schemes the observations made by the hon and I can assure them that all the Members and I am grateful to them observations made by them will be for welcoming this scheme, which is properly dealt with intended to fill a very vital gap This The Deputy Minister of External* is going to be the policy of Govern Affairs (Shrimati lakuhml Menon)* ment with respect to the other train- I thank all the Members of the House- ing centres which are in the public who have given their unstinted sup- sector We do not want to close down port to Demand No 18 dealing with as far as possible, any training pro the demand for Rs 10 lakhs for the gramme which we have once initiat- External Affairs Ministry But I am ed either in Bhopal, Srndri or in the rather surprised at the very unusual other several public sector projects remarks made by some Members of which are running under the auspices the opposition regarding our policy m of our Ministry We would like to regard to Tibetan refugees There is reconvert them for imparting general nothing new, because one section o f training, as we have done m this case the opposition does not see eye to eye with the Government of India Not Shri K N Pandey referred to the only that Their loyalties are not to Industrie'; which are being run for the the policies and plans of our own resettlement of the refugees My hon Government colleague will deal with the matter but since we have taken over that As far as the Tibetan policy is con- work very recently, I can assure the cerned, it was policy which was taken House that m close co-operation with after considerable thought and deli- the Ministry of Rehabilitation, our beration and with the consent of this -4167 Demand* AUGUST 24, 1959 fo r Supplementary Grants 4149 [Shrimati Lakshmi Menon] House From time to time the matter It is true that the conditions In v h reported to the House. And I am Tibet are not such that any at these Very happy to remind members that refugees would go back and the this policy has the full support of all Opposition members would do well to patriotic Indians who have seen the use their influence and good offloea to need to offer asylum to people who see that conditions in Tibet are rea* have been forced out of their hearths tored to rormalcy so that these people and homes, because the conditions do not have to stay here and do work were made so intolerable Sir, it is which they are not accustomed to do. well known that nobody would like to leave their traditional home for Shri Narayanankutty Menon: Why something which is uncertain, which not you first look after those Indian is full of hazards Yet these people nationals who have been driven from have left their homes, their temples other countries to India’ and all those associations which make for their culture in order to seek •asylum here And, as was pointed Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: Your out by Professor Sharma, it is in loyalty is to some other country accordance with the traditions of -our country that we should extend hospitality and help to these refugees Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: Why are they so touchy about it? Whenever we mention about communist coun- It is the policy of the Opposition tries the communist party members always to confuse the issues by bring- get portuibed After all, they are ing in wrong comparisons It was Indians first This is something -asked why is it that we extend wh ch I cannot understand It is true charity so liberally to the Tibetan that condit ons in Tibet are deteriorat- refugees when we allow people who ing and it is most likely that most of have returned from Burma, Malaya tin refugees will not be able to go and Ceylon to wander Shri Vajpayee: Why “Opposition”? T oq-^r^I # 5iT I I 4 ^'FT^r Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: I will =q‘TW^T f f^T fq®^T say “a certain section of the Opposi- ^'TT ?tCT | tion” or “Communists”. Whether they like it or not, it will be done. There- ^ Q f f t fcT®W#l ^'T*T fore, I hope that the very generous support extended by all the sections, JT^fl ^ ^«rr ^T?ff except the Communist party, will en- f , m : able 116 to carry on our programme. ^r|f 3TT T|T I ? Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: There are various categories of refugees. As I ^•,5 I ^ ^T have pointed out. there are people who are devoted to a religious life and TTf'T '< ?i I ^I, who are not able to work. Then there 4 I ?TJTr m are very old people who are physi- ^r | ^rk cally unfit to work. Then there are able-bodied people who are willing to ^f5T ^ Tf-f fi' -T ft’.q'r earn their own living. They are being I f+- ifK ifr 5TT iTlfiT Tf % iTW ?Tf5Tr drafted to do physical work like road I I q Tf Wf JTrwq- construction in Sikkim and other States. Then there are children below m 5rr?Ti I % the age of 18 or even below the age ■'!!W fT 3rr#*TT ^rr ?fp: of 12, quite a number of them. They fvf'fr ? have to be educated and so they are being sent to various schools. Then there are people who are dedicated to Shrimati Lakshmi Menon; That is a religious life. They have to be sent only for the emergency. As you know, to the religious institutions for train- there are many other relief agencies ing. Therefore, it is incumbent on also contributing towards this—volun- us to distribute them according to the tary organisations—both in India and various categories. outside India. As Mussorie is «»> ?T>T ST?iT ^g5?rf Shri D. C. Sharma: his constituency, he wants to send 1 them there. But Dalhousie is my constituency. Shrimati Lakshmi Menon: I know what it is; those who are likely to Shri Mehr Chand Khana: A large come in the future, what are we going number of questions have been posed to do with them and whether Rs. 10 and I shall try to answer them as lakhs will be (sufficient. Certainly, fully as I can. I would like to start it will not be enough and at the ap- with the beginning of July last year propriate time the Government will when We took a decision in Calcutta, make a request to the House to grant some Ministers of the Central Govern- more sums. ment and Ministers of the State Gov- ernment of West Bengal, regarding the closure of camps within a year : if 5T55T from that date, namely, by the 31st =^r?.TT f I ?Tjfi f a5 I # irfr July, 1959 and the basis which promp- ted the Government to take that deci- ^f^s^cT % 5Rjrri%!ff % sion, and the extent to which TT^ f5[tTr «rr «rT we have been able to fulfil our obliga- ftp ^ ?T7JT f , tions and discharge our commitment. Demania AUGUST 24, 1059 for Bvppleibentary OtcmU 417a [Shn Mehr Chand Khanna] When we took that decision, we had During this period there were tw» camps not only in West Bengal but or three courses open to me to reha- also in Tnpura, Bihar and Orissa bilitate them One was to rehabili- Then number ot displaced persons in tate them withm the resources avail- camps on the 1st July, 1958 was able in the States concerned The about 2,30,000, and the distribution second was to create resources outside was sb under the State ot West Bengal The third was Dandakaranya As far as West Bengal 1,97,000 Bengal itself is concerned, we have Bihar 16,154 achieved very substantial results We Tnpura 15,049 have brought down the camp popula- Orissa 2,SM tion in West Bengal during this period of one year, the gross figures is This will approximately come to 43.000 but the net figure is roundabout 2.90.000 persons During the last one 35.000 or 36,000 These persons have year there have been about 8,000 to been dispersed from camps and have 10.000 additions in the camps on ac- been rehabilitated count of births So, my population wait up to round about 2,40,000 Though it is not very relevant to the As far as Tripura is concerned, a issue, sometimes my friends opposite little while ago I remarked that the whether here or outside, have referred population there was a little over to the miserable conditions in the 15,000 Every DP in the camps in camps in West Bengal and they tried Tripura has been rehabilitated during to give the impression that these un that period and all the camps in Tri- fortunate brethren of mine are not pura have been closed being treated with sympathy and con sideration Now I come to Bihar and Onssa It might interest you and the House No doubt, I have come forward with to know that while the birth rate in a request for a small demand for West Bengal is 21 per thousand and Bihar but it must not be forgotten the death rate is ten per thousand— that there at the beginning of the year that has been more or less the average the population m Bettiah camp was a for a number of years in West Bengal little over 16,000 On the 30th June, and was fully reflected in the birth 1959, the population was only 5,487— and death rates in my camps—since a dispersal of over 10,000 persons I we took this important decision, the am sure Shn Panigrahi would back birth rate in camps in West Bengal me up when I say that m the Char- has shot up by about 50 per cent batia camp in Orissa today the num- Where it used to be 21 per thousand ber is hardly a few hundred families today it is 34 per thousand and where The total figure is roundabout 708 the death rate was ten per thousand persons So, during this period we it has come down to nine per thou, have reduced the camp population by sand 70 000 persons So, 1 was telling you that the birth rate having gone up very rapidly, the May I humbly inform the House population swelled to 2,40,000 persons that there has been no coercion Not a single person has been forced out Shri Panigrahi: Why only in West of any camp in any one of these Bengal camps’ States Everyone of them has been taken out cheerfully They have been Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: Because either rehabilitated within the States there were hardly any births, worth concerned or they have been taken to the name in other camps the States outside 4*73 Demands BHADRA. 2, 1881 ( SAJCA) for Supplementary Grant* 4174 X admit that wc are pending huge we have spent over Rs. 380 crores, I aums of money on camps, but then do not want to go into that old way aoBm ue the hon. Deputy Minister of mine that we axe poor, we ate of External Affairs said—-and I was borrowing, we are taking loans. As very happy when I heard her say far as the refugee cause is concerned, that—nobody leaves his hearth or this Government has newer spared home for reasons which are not be. any money or any efforts. But even yond his control. It may be all right in that field, I am able to say that we for people to remark and sometimes have been very watchful of our relief I feel very hurt when I hear Shn expenditure. I have seen and taken Panigrahi on the one hand supporting good care to see that thete who are me in my difficulties in Dandakaranya needy should be helped but those and at the same time running with the who do not deserve any help hare and hunting with the hound He shall not draw upon the national re- shows deep sympathy for the dis- sources I have taken very strict placed persons from East Pakistan but measures. I do not want to go into at the same time he wants that the that matter today But taking the tribal quota should be increased, land refugee population as my basis It should be given in the Chilka fore- might interest the House to know that shore area to the landless people and in the peak year 1956-57, my expendi- al] that I can fully understand his ture on relief camps was Rs feelings If he has to be returned he 8.68.00.000. In 1957-58 it came down to will be returned by the local popula- Rs. 751 lakhs that is, Rs. 7.51 crores tion there So, as such he has to cater And in 1958.59 it came down still for their further, namely Rs 6,68,00,000. When we took this decision last year we only budgeted for a relief expendi- Shri Panigrahi: That is not my con- ture for the first four months of the stituency year, that is, April, May, June and Shri Mehr Chand Khana* That July because the camps were to have may not be his constituency, but I been closed by the 31st July, 1959. We am certainly prepared to tell him that budgeted for a total sum of Rs. if he wants the landless to be rehabi- 2.44.00.000 litated, I am with him; if he wants the people of Orissa to advance no- Now I have come forward before body would be happier than myself, ihe House for a supplementary grant but then he would have to knock at of Rs 2,75,00,000 making a total of somebody else’s door and not at the Rs 5,19,00,000 With the supplemen- door of the Minister of Rehabilita- tary grant that I am taking today the tion My sphere is a very restricted total expenditure that I would have one 1 can only work within that incurred by the end of this year would sphere be Rs 5,19,00,000 against the expendi- ture of Rs. 6,68,00,000 last year and So, I was trying to tell the House the expenditure of Rs. 8,68,00,000 two that I do feel that this expenditure is years earlier There has been a sav- a waste But at the same time I also ing in the relief expenditure to the have a heart Being a refugee myself extent of about 42 5 per cent During I feel that if I am not in a position to the last three years—and three yean provide gainful employment to a sick are not over today—we have saved mother or to an ailing child 01 to an to the extent of about 42.5 per cent old man, if I am not in a position to and that has been simply achieved settle him or rehabilitate him or put through the process of rehabilitation. the family on its feet, I will be doing There was a time when my hon grave injustice to myself as a Minister friend Shn Panigrahi sent people back and grave injustice to the Government from Orissa to West Bengal. I am who have spared no funds, uptill now not accusing him personally. Tbere 4175 Demands AUGUST 24, ]959 JOT Supplementary Grants 4176 [Shri Mehr Chand Khanna] was a time when some of my friends tel lin ; me yesterday or two days ago, were sent back from Bihar or r come from West Bengal, I have may say some of my friends from experience of East Bengal, I have Bengal came back to Bengal. But, I never seen a monsoon like that in any make bold to say that during the last other part of the country where :yOU 3 years, there has hardly been any have incessant rain for 4 or 5 months. desertion. So, we have succeeded as Tractors: I can take them. But there far as OUi' rehabilitation programme is are no bridges, if the bridges are not concerned, whether within the States safe, I cannot take tractors. There are or in our reclamation schemes outside no roads. the States, to a very substa nt i.il ..-x- ...• tent. If I had not been the Minister. An Hon. Member: You should have perhaps, I would have been tempted foreseen...... "> to congratulate the Minister on this Shri Mehr Chand Khanna: Yes; I good performance. Being the Minister should have foreseen all that. That myself, I take the congratulations is quite correct. There, I feel guilty from Shri Aj it Singh Sarhadi and to an extent that I had no apprecia- some of my other friends. I do not tion of the conditions prevailing then feel bashful about it for the obvious in Dandakaranya. If I had any idea reason that we have achieved results. of the conditions prevailing then in While during the years 1955 and 1956, Dandakaranya, I do not think a deci- 2 lakh persons went into camps, dur- sion of that nature could have ever ing the last 2~·years, we have reduc- been encouraged by me. because. I ed the camp population by 140,000 have now been dealing with this pro- persons. That is not a small achieve- blem for 11 years and I should be in ment. Whereas within the State of a position to say, if I have to rehabili- West Bengal, Tripura, Bihar and tate a family, what necessities, what Orissa we have achieved very good requirements are needed for thc reha- results. I must say that in the field of bilitation of a family. Dandakaranya, our progress has been very slow. I am prepared to concede To reclaim lands, We wanted re- that. You call it tardy, you call it clamation machinery. We had the slow, you may even say that we have whole matter examined. The ques- not corne up to expectations: that is tion was not so much of finance, be- correct. cause, as I told you, the Ministry of I am very grateful to Shri Panigrahi Finance have always been very kind for one thing. Coming as he does and sympathetic. I hope Dr. B. .- from Orissa, he has made my task Gopala Reddi will not change his ". much easier. I went to Dandakaranya mind. But, my main t.rouble was that for the first time in February, this machinery was to come from abroad. year. We took the decision in July For that, We wanted foreign exchange. last year. It might interest the House Certain formalities had to be gone to know that the Dandakaranya Deve- through. We reached the stage of in- lopment Authority itself was not born viting global tenders. When Wp in- till the end of July 1958. We took a vited global tenders, we learnt that decision in the beginning of July 1958 although We might call it gl()bal ten- that every possible effort should be ders, we hav., to go to a particular made to close down the camps of firm, vr« have to go to a particular Bengal by 31st July next year. But, country, and We have to pay them the body which 'was to implement the certain rates. Even that will IF" :)(> scheme was not created till the end objectionable in the long run. But, of the month. The body which was difficulties may arise when I start to function took birth a month later. transporting the machinery from tha t ..•. It is thick jungle there: primaeval country into India. You want ship- forest. An officer of mine was on ly ping space. You might land yourself •• ~ 3^7? BHADRA 2, 1861 (SAKA) for Supplementary Grants 417*. into very serious waters or hot waters, had them What happened was, along, be&ute the rates win certainly go up with these tractors, also came the staff Similarly, if I wanted certain attach- These tractors have to be recondition- ments—you may invite tenders lor ed They have to be put in position, the machinery—'tomorrow when you to far oil places I have to move them want some accessories or attachments, to Raipur, Mana, Koraput and other prices may go up to a great extent, places The staff remains, whether I because you will not be able to draw use the tractors or not, whether lands upon any other market, and for the are available or not, whether the trac- particular make, coming from a parti- tors are reconditioned or not You cular country, you may have to pay might rightly ask me, why did you a certain price which, possibly, later buy these old tractors, why are you cm, you may find to be very very ex- paying for the staff On the one hand, orbitant My hon friend the Defence I have to take into consideration the Minister came to my rescue I am heavy relief expenditure that I am ▼ery grateful to him and if he were m incurring m the camps in West Bengal the House, I would have liked to pay and the demoralising effect it is hav- a tribute to him Similarly, the Prime ing on the population there I do not Minister was exceedingly kind In want to go into that question that my January this year a decision was taken hon friend Ch Ranbir Singh referred m the room of the Prime Minister of to about money being taken and ex- India, with the Defence Minister, the ploited by political parties for politi- Minister of Finance and everybody cal ends I am not concerned with concerned, that the Ministry of that today I had to take the factory Defence will come to my rescue and because, on the one hand, if I am sav- they will manufacture tractors for ing Rs 50 lakhs per month on relief, me m their own factories m collabora on the other, even though I have to- tion with a foreign firm We got the incur a little wasteful expenditure, I first consignment in May We placed will ultimately create capital assets, an order for 56 tractors, costing about which will help me in speedy reha- Rs 1 crores—I may be wrong m mv bilitation programme or reclamation figure—and the first consignment of projects I had to take them through six tractors I got m the beginning of tomorrow, I do not know whether I May 1959 will be there, my successor or some- body else may have to offer very ser- Mr Chairman: From the Defence’ ious explanations to the Public Ac- counts Committee and the Estimates Siui Mehr Chand Khanna: Yes In Committee Because, they will only tact, they have been ahead of sche- judge my waste, they will not judge dule Where they promised to give me from the savings effected and the tile tractors sometime during the mon- speedy action that 1 have taken, as the soon so that I can assemble them, take Minister who had to deal with human them to Dandakaranya, the Ministry life, we took the decision and it was- of Defence had been ahead of their only later on I felt that this decision schedule and they gave me the first could not be implemented because the consignment in the month of May reasons were beyond my control I got some tractors from the CTO For the last two or three months, we It is a very old organisation, the have been looking into this problem, Central Tractor Organisation I need the problem of Dandakaranya, wish not say much about it I would never to assure the House, and through have gone to the C TO if I had them the refugee population in West known that I can get new tractors, Bengal or in any other State, that We because they are old tractors Like have sanctioned the scheme, and w e Be, they have seen their life They mean to implement it, as long as I axe mostly old and unserviceable I am occupying this post, it shall be 4*79 D ttn m * AUGUST 24, 1MM for Snppitmentary Chmft 4 f f c [Shri Mehr Chand Khanna] my endeavour to see that this scheme it is a fact that there have been t* is implemented, because this tain difficulties in a big protect « f scheme, when implemented, will not this nature. only help m the rehabilitation of the duqtlaced persons but will advance the The tribals can very rightly demand interests of the tribals and also of the that ‘When you come and operate into States concerned, and might also our areas, you should give us a fair help the country, whether m the ex- share.’. I agree. Then, there are cer- ploitation of its mineral resources or tain other vested interests in that area. in the solution of its food problem When I gently hinted about running and many other problems as well with the hares and hunting with the Money has been sanctioned for this hounds, some at my friends—I do not scheme, it is all right to get the want to name anybody—have been money, but then I want men to imple- pretty active in both Orissa and ment that scheme Madhya Pradesh saying “You are go- 16 hrs ing to have a new Bengal; Bengalis will come here, and you will have a If I talk a lot about the conditions Centrally administered area,’ and so in Dandakaranya, then I might scare on Let me allay the fears of any- away people; as it is, we have scared body and everybody that I am not a away a large number of people from Minister for the creation of either it; therefore, I do not want to talk hew Bengal or old Bengal T am a about it. I do not want to paint a Minister for rehabilitation of displaced very dismal picture of the conditions persons, whether they come from West in Dandakaranya, because the moment Pakistan or they come from East I do so, I feel that a man whom I Pakistan I look at a displaced per- have been able to get through the son purely as a displaced person; whe- food offices of the Ministry of Works, ther he is a Sindhi or a Bengali or a Housing and Supply, and good offices Hanjan or a non-Hanjan is not mate- of others, and who can live in Delhi, rial to me Secondly, I am having Bombay or Calcutta, and go to the the full co-operation of the State Gov- cinemas and have a look at the cul- ernments concerned There can be no tural programmes and many other question of carving out of any parti- shows etc may begin to think ‘Why cular area either from Onssa or from should I go to Dandakaranya and live Madhya Pradesh, and its conversion under those conditions’ ’ TTie result into a Centrally administered tem - has been that we have not been able tory That is not the point at all We to implement the Dandakaranya are working in these regions Hi* scheme to the extent that I had ex- lands are being given to me by the pected, m the sense that I have not State Governments concerned They been able to move a substantial num- will be subject to all the ber of displaced persons from camps normal laws of any State in West Bengal to Dandakaranya As far as the scheme is concerned, I Then, to allay this fear, when 1 held have no apologies to offer We have this conference in Calcutta only on done a tremendous amount of spade- the 18th of this month, I invited the work. We have had surveys made I Chief Ministers of both the States have got the reclamation machinery and also the Chief Minister of Wait I have got the staff also to a reason- Bengal. The main idea was that the able extent. As for the difficulties Chief Ministers of MJP. and Orissa regarding which indications were would give me the lands, and the given or hints were thrown by Shn Chief Minister of Bengal would give Panigrahi, I would not like to exag- me the people. My highest pth ijfr, g e r a t e them to that extent But then as you know, is the rehabilitation Of 4 *0 f ftM M ft* B B A O S A 1, 1881 (SiMCA) for Supplementary 418a O rantt displaced persons from campa in West my friends in Alwar and Bharatpur, Bengal about a year or two ago We haw remitted the food loans that were It came out in the newspapers not given to the people in Punjab in the long ago that the Governor of a State early stages of partition and settle- approached me and asked whether I ment When this request came to me could take some of his surplus popu- and I was examining it, I took it up lation of agriculturists to Dandaka- with the Ministry of Finance myself ranya Requests have come to me and said that if I do something for from other sources too (An Hon the DPs in the western region, I shall Member Punjab) I have put them never accept the position if that can- down, and I mean to do so even m not be done for the DPs in the eastern . future, because the two States have region So one decision has already co-operated with the Government of been taken, and it has been made India simply with a view to solve one public That is, that in future any problem, the problem being the re- food grant that is given to a DP for habilitation of displaced persons from settlement on land either within the camps in West Bengal and, at the State of West Bengal or in the eastern same time, not only to protect but to region or m Dandakaranya, wherever safeguard and advance the interests he is taken, whether the harvesting of the tribal population there It is period is 3 months or 9 months, shall for that reason that this integrated only be as a grant and it shall not be scheme has been formulated and a loan That decision has already shall be implemented been taken for the future Now, my hon friend Shn A C Guha drew my attention to the con- Now for the past we have looked cessions given to the displaced per- mto the matter The financial implica- sons from West Pakistan tions of a retrospective decision would be to the extent of Rs 5 crores I Shri A C Guha- I welcome that have taken up that matter with the Shri Mehr Chand Khanna I am Ministry of Finance We are looking sorry While Shn Ajit Singh Sarhadi mto that matter and I hope that a thanked me and congratulated the decision shall be taken very soon Government he went a step further But I cannot make a positive announ- and used that as an argument cement today because till the whole •What you have done for the DPs from matter has been examined and that West Pakistan, why cannot you do financial implication considered, I am the same for refugees from East not m a position to make a categori- Pakistan9’ He is quite justified in cal announcement making that remark and asking from me a pointed reply to a pointed ques- But one thing more I have also tion As I said a little while ago, I done lately and that is this That is am Minister for both the regions, I the rationalisation of loans Previous- am Minister for displaced persons, ly the loans were given for a period and if towards the fag-end of my life ranging between 6 to 10 years When I have got an opportunity to serve my we started our realisations we found unfortunate brethren m the eastern that these unfortunate people who are region, if I cannot do anything for living in certain areas have not been them to the extent that I have done able to take their roots and to call for the displaced persons from West upon them to pay back the money Pakistan, I shall never do anything that is due from them on account of where I can be accused of any dis- equated instalments after a short criminatory treatment towards them period of 6 years would be rather hard Very recently, not more than Now, we remitted these food loans 10 or IS days ago, we have taken • in the western region, in the case of decision that all the loans shall be StB LSD-8 41*3 ttmmmdt AUGUST 2 4 .199a for SMpp^nm Uary 4x8* Gfant> [Shri Mehr Chand Khanna] rationalised and the period of 6 to 10 fchri Paaignhl: live hon Deputy yean be extended to from 10 to 20 Minister stated the day before yester- yean, this will be a very substantial day that no target date has been concession fixed but now the hon Minister says that the target date has been One or two more things we ive fixed also done for the displaced pe: 3ns Shri Mehr Chand Kbsnna: I have from East Pakistan In the 11 aal said that the target date for the stages, for their educational advi ce- dehabilitation of my Ministry which ment, to the disrupted institutioi or the institutions that were set up, is called the Rehabilitation Ministry »s 31st March 1961 loans were given Although loans were given, in certain cases recurr- Mr Chairman: The question is* ing expenditure was also treated as loan We have taken a decision that That the respective supplemen- in the case of these private institu tary sums not exceeding the tions it is for the State Government Amounts shown in the third to examine the financial positiop of Column of the order paper be eacA disrupted1 institution or tfte insti- granted to the President to defray tution that has come to our rescue *he charges which will come in If they are not m a position to repay bourse of payment during the year the loan that loan should be remitt- Ending the 31st day of March ~ ed And, if any recuinng expendi i960, in respect of the following ture has been treated as loan, that bemands entered m the second recurring expenditure should also be Column thereof— treated as a grant bemands Nos 2, 18, 73, 107, 121, So, I want to assure Shn Guha that 130 the plight of these unfortunate people or their conditions are always upper The motion was adopted most in my mind I stay there, I have been there nearly 5 years, I live amongst them and work among [The motions for Demands for Sup- st them and I am taking every possi plementary Grants which were adopt- ble care to see that the rehabilita- ed by the Lok Sabha are reproduced tion is done on a scientific and rational beiow—Ed ] basis so that I am in a position to D e m a n d No 2—I n d u s t r i e s wind up this Ministry—and the target that I have laid before myself for the “That a supplementary sum not eastern region is the 31st March 1961 Exceeding Rs 1,34 000 be granted 1 want the good wishes of the House 1o the President to defray the and their support especially of some tharges which will come in course of my friends who are absent today <3f payment during the year end- in helping me in achieving the target ing the 31st day of March, 1960, in because m the achievement of that tespect of ‘Industries' ” target lies not only the solution of the rehabilitation problem, but we as De ma n d No 18—Ext e r n al Af f air s a government, we as a people, should be able to say that all these 42 lakhs “That a supplementary sum not of persons who have come from East Exceeding Rs 10,00,000 be granted Pakistan have been rehabilitated and to the President to defray the the Ministry which was created for a charges which will come m course specific purpose, to meet a specific bf payment dunng the year end* situation has done its job and finished tag the 31st day of March, I960, in with it respect of ‘External Affairs' ” BHADRA 2, 1W 1 <& U U > for Supplementary 4186 Gnmtt D e m a n d No. 73—Expenditure or Dih- 1 4 .1 5 b n . 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