Robbie Williams' UFO Sightings In His Own Words

May, 2008

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The FDIC Secret - 99 Years To Pay! An ATS MIX Investigation...... 8 9. Look around you. It’s happening!! (Beginning of UFO disclosure is now!)...... 9 10. Video: 'Spin' ---T.V. Footage you were never supposed to see...... 10 11. Your Sigil Results, this stuff works!...... 10 12. The Homeless Survival Guide...... 10 13. NASA about to announce something Big?...... 11 14. The antivirus software conspiracy ...... 12 15. Neocons ADMIT that the 'War On Terror' is a Hoax!...... 12 16. Jailed for Protesting Gitmo: 34 Convicted for Demonstrations Outside Supreme Court...... 12 17. George W Bush Authorized 9/11 Attacks Says Government Insider!...... 13 18. Crazy Grid of Earthquakes!! What??!!...... 13 19. London Olympics 2012 : Zion : Alien Agenda Exposed!!...... 14 20. The STS-48 UFOs incident revisited - discussion with Credulity Kills...... 14 21. Rupert Murdoch's "News Corp." resorts to Propaganda?...... 15 22. CGI UFOs | Some of the best ones...... 15 23. Blackwater : Right-Wing Conservative America, Whether You Like It Or Not...... 17 24. ATS Founder SIMON GRAY Interview - POST YOUR NEW QUESTIONS...... 18 25. NO ONE! will believe you about the No. 1 NWO bank conspiracy – 6% fixed rate mortgage is a 580% va...... 18 26. Ghost Crop Circles!...... 19 27. The Prosecution Of George W. Bush For Murder...... 20 28. Cold-fusion demonstration a success...... 20 29. Project Camelot's NEW 4hr long interview with John Lear...... 20 30. The ATSer~ Global Terror Information Fusion Center...... 20 31. MRO image of Phobos shows artifact!...... 21 32. The Secret Of Gravity Revealed - Scientific Experiment Included...... 21 33. Popstars and UFOs...... 22 34. Paul Stamets: 6 ways mushrooms can save the world...... 23 35. Chopper Catches Glimpse of Lost World...... 23 36. Tibetan Monks See Aliens Saving Earth From Humans In 2012!...... 23 37. Siegleman: 'This Will Make Watergate Look Like Child's Play'...... 24 38. UFO-Flashing Lights in CLEAR DAYLIGHT...... 24 39. Ron Paul publicly names neoconservatives...... 24 40. Homeland Security Update: Chertoff Says New Laws Needed...... 24 41. An Experiment in Alternative Methods of Earthquake Prediction...... 25 42. First-ever government review of fluoride/thyroid toxicology shows risk ...... 26 43. Pentagon Propaganda Documents Go Online! But Will The Media Ever Report Them?...... 27 44. Hard Numbers: The Economy Is Much Worse Than You Know!...... 27 45. Strange holes appearing out of nowhere...... 27 46. Shards of the Illuminati...... 27 47. War Profits Taint The Greedy Hands Of More Than 25% Of Members Of The U.S. House and Senate!...... 28 48. Nader calls U. S. "corporate fascism"...... 28 49. Earthquake of a magnitude 7.8 reported in China *UPDATE* 'to top 50,000' killed...... 29 50. (Video): Olberman Rant on Bush's 'Golf Sacrifice' to dead troops...... 29 51. (Video) Scientific Proof Of Alien Visitation...... 29 52. Becoming a Detective of Conspiracy Theories...... 29 53. Sites like ATS are monitored by an analyst and assigned a threat level...... 30 54. UFO over Germany...... 31 55. US residents in military brigs? Govt says it's war...... 31 56. Enormous Comet Hits SUN? (major coronal ejection) SOHO Video Links...... 31 57. Alien moon, 3 part video...... 32 58. Betrayal of Trust - cant come back from treason...... 32 59. Chem-trail Plane Photographed on the ground?...... 32 60. Get to close and you`ll get burned!!!!!!...... 32 61. UFO sighting Finland,12.5.2008 broke to news...... 33 62. Nikola Tesla : First Contact With Alien Intelligence...... 34 63. Clinton Just Made The Most Politically Detrimental Statement About R.F.K., Assassination, and Obama?...... 34 64. Kinross Ufo crash..could it still be there??...... 35 65. Predicting a huge earthquake in June 2008...... 37 66. Attention Artists and Musicians!! (The Orphan works Bill)...... 37 67. Britain releases batch of files on UFO sightings...... 37 68. Questions to an Occultist...... 38 69. Exclusive: McClellan whacks Bush, White House Bush relied on "propaganda" to sell the war...... 38 70. DC Madam commits suicide in Tarpon Springs [Madam List pg 2]...... 38 71. Iran rejects nuclear inspections unless Israel allows them...... 38 72. Why are we terrified of the Grays?...... 38 73. MAIN CORE: The Last Roundup...... 39 74. Does anyone feel like they are constantly waiting?...... 39 75. New Phoenix Lights Hoaxer Might Be Lying About Hoaxing...... 39

I spoke with Rob last night about posting this, he Robbie Williams' UFO warned me that we might get inundated with requests for strange and scary things, I want to make it clear Sightings - In HIS OWN WORDS that Robbie Williams is a member of ATS and he does Created by: Springer on May 15, flags: 457, replies: 868 read the site everyday. Because of that, we won’t be I’ve kept quiet about the fact that Rob and I have been tolerating any sniping, snide, rude or otherwise non communicating ever since he was kind enough to “ATS quality” comments. mention AboveTopSecret.com in his interview in the While I would not ordinarily post “for” someone, I have Guardian with Jon Ronson, because I didn’t want to agreed to do it for Rob because I think it’s beyond cool add to the flak he was taking in the British rags…er… that AboveTopSecret.com gets to be the only place I papers. know of that people who are interested or fans of While there were certainly some decent and fair Robbie’s can read why he’s into this stuff. articles written about Rob’s interest in things outside of So… here is what Rob wrote about his sightings… He the “mainstream” there was lots of noise drowning out and I both welcome all constructive comments and the signal. would love to know if anyone else saw these things The noise, IMHO, was there for the age old purpose of last year (I can get the date or close to it) in or around selling papers through sensationalistic name trashing. the San Fernando Valley in SoCal… We all know the drill, when anyone mentions Aliens " original email from Robbie Williams and/or UFOs in any meaningful or serious way the righteeho, provincial thinkers, the insecure and the “mainstream I was facing Sunset Strip lying on a sun lounger about media” all go into their eye rolling, giggling, “he’s gone 11.30 at night in the yard of a hotel I was staying at. mad” routine. The yard area was about 50ft square(maybe less) and Out of all the coverage “Robbie’s gone mad” at the end of it are palm trees and bushes, which generated, I didn’t see a single story that asked the obscures peoples' view from the other side in (and question, that in my mind should have been asked ours out). I was with a friend who was lying next to me first… Something along lines of… “Hey Robbie on another sun lounger and we were both staring Williams, what did you see or experience that caused upwards. From what I remember, an object flew over you to take an interest in these topics?” us at about 200 to 300 ft high...it may have been I know I am not a qualified investigative journalist, I am higher I don't know. a businessman in the media business, so I am sure It was definitely black with yellow stripes underneath. there is some blindingly obvious reason none of the Now, I'm not sure if it was square or triangle, but I do journalists who spent so much time with Robbie remember that it made absolutely no noise Williams on their minds asked that question. Heck, I whatsoever. My friend and I both saw it. I don't know imagine I broke some great rule of investigative why, but I had a hunch it was one of ours. journalism just by asking him about it in private emails In addition to this sightening, there was another very and in telephone conversations he and I have had but strange occurance I witnessed one Friday night about I really don’t care. 5 months ago. My friends and I were playing a song Okay I’ll stop being a sarcastic twit now and get on called Arizona (about ufo's) that we had written. It was with it… dusk and, suddenly, a big ball of light appeared over Rob is first and foremost a very nice person, he’s a the san fernando valley. We were standing on my “real” guy (whatever the heck that is) and I have to say balcony at the time. When the song finished it that I have truly enjoyed getting to know him. That, disappeared ...... when we played it again it came back however, doesn’t eliminate the possibility that Rob has on...once again, when the song finished it indeed gone barking mad and is just floundering disappeared...... this happened 4 times. around looking for something, anything, to distract him During this back and forth with the ball of light, an from his lunacy and selected the topics we all know electrical storm came in and the balcony on which we and love and our site, AbovetopSecret.com to serve were standing was hit by the lightening. One of my that purpose. friends said he saw it (the ball of light) fly straight up While the fact I think he’s a very cool cat and a and out of sight. I can't vouch for this cause I didn't see genuinely nice man doesn’t eliminate the “gone mad” it with my own eyes, but he was sure that's what he possibility, what he wrote below does eliminate it, saw happen...... we came in off the balcony after the IMHO... Had I seen what he describes in the following lightening had just missed us and were stood back in excerpt from an email he sent me, I would be my studio, when, out of nowwhere, (and everybody searching for answers on ATS too. that was there saw this) a black strip of light a few inches thick came in through the studio door and

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 1 of 40 stretched about 20 feet or so (the length of the studio) and went out through the opposing studio window. Egyptian statue on mars? Then 4 white large (spotlight) lights appeared in the Created by: iammonkey on May 17, flags: 129, replies: 718 clouds ...2 in front of the house and 2 a few miles Mods if you think this is on the wrong thread please behind it....Though the shape and look of the light did move it. resemble Hollywood search lights, but the patterns While looking at pictures of mars. There was they were making and the distance they were traveling something on the picture that grabbed my attention. was amazing. This happened for an hour and half from Here’s the link to the original. about 10 o'clock at night onwards and then again after The two black and white pictures on the left of the last 2 o'clock for half an hour...everything shuts down in set of pics are from mars the rest are in Egypt L.A. at 2 am, so I don't know if it would be legal for a (visit the thread to view linked images) club to put spot lights on at that time in the (visit the thread to view linked images)The reason it morning....maybe you could find out? stud out for me, is because it reminds me of the If you want to start a thread about this you can with my statues in Egypt. If you look above, below and on each permission.....What do you think? side of the statue looking figure. You will notice the I'm off to watch Iron Man.... rock has a ruff surface. While the figure is a lot cyar smoother. Any way here it is. " Link to thread: ...thread356078/pg1 Link to thread: ...thread355738/pg1

NASA exposed - Do NOT miss Video that purportedly shows these videos! a living, breathing space Created by: ziggystar60 on May 30, flags: 148, replies: 330 alien to be shown Friday in I have just discovered these great videos on YouTube, which have been added there the last couple of Denver... weeks. (I did a search for them, but couldn't find Created by: AllSeeingI on May 28, flags: 112, replies: 701 anything.) www.rockymountainnews.com They are made by a director called "LunaCognita", and "A video that purportedly shows a living, breathing the user profile tells that he/she is 33 years old and space alien will be shown to the news media Friday from Toronto, Canada. (May, 30) in Denver. "LunaCognita" says: Jeff Peckman, who is pushing a ballot initiative to "For several years, I have been conducting what has create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission in become the most comprehensive forensic Denver to prepare the city for close encounters of the investigation into the validity of the Apollo lunar landing alien kind, said the video is authentic and convinced program and the National Aeronautics and Space him that aliens exist."(visit the link for the full news Administration ever carried out before - and I am now article) ready to begin showing the world what they have been [edit on (5/28/08) by AllSeeingI] missing. " Link to thread: ...thread358788/pg1 Video 1, "Apollo Lunar Cover-up (trailer) - PYRAMIDS on the Moon": Video 2, "Apollo 10 - Music Behind The Moon - the STUNNING TRUTH": Could this cause the end in Video 3, "Apollo 11's TV Camera - THE FIBER OPTIC LIE": 2012? New pulsar found. Video 4, "The INVISIBLE ASTRO-NOT: More NASA Created by: Quantum_Squirrel on May 17, flags: 95, lies": replies: 86 [edit on 30-5-2008 by ziggystar60] "Astronomers baffled by weird, fast-spinning pulsar" [edit on 30-5-2008 by ziggystar60] Reuters News Link [edit on 30-5-2008 by ziggystar60] The rapidly spinning pulsar -- an extraordinarily dense Link to thread: ...thread359142/pg1 object created when a massive star exploded as a supernova -- is called J1903+0327 and is located about 21,000 light years from Earth, the astronomers said.

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(visit the thread to view linked images) Pakistan’s Nuclear Facilities When earth comes around its orbit it looks pretty close (visit the thread to view linked images) to me ... Could the magnetic forces from the pulsar Map courtesy: Carnegie Endowment For International effect Earth in any way? like earthquakes? Peace volcanoes... etc etc. Pakistan’s Strategic Imperative " Kashmir has been a bone of contention between India The scientists, writing in the journal Science, speculate and Pakistan since the last 60 years and four wars a third star -- perhaps a neutron star or white dwarf -- have been fought by Pakistan in its unsuccessful bid to might be orbiting with the other two. Scientists know of wrest it from India by force. Conventionally, they could about 100 pulsars in two-star, or binary, systems, and never hope to match the Indian war machine. The this might be the first in a triple-star system biggest force leveler would be a viable nuclear " deterrent against conventional force asymmetry. With Could the third star also have an eliptical orbit? could a nuclear deterrent, an incursion into Kashmir would this pass close to earth ? thus causing a catastrophic prevent an all out assault by India’s huge military event that has been recorded in the past , and cycles juggernaut against Pakistan which lacked strategic noticed but not heeded, or at worst hidden from the depth. masses by the elite? cycles noticed by sumeria , the Thus commenced a covert nuclear program and by the stories of planet X etc... and maybe by other early 1990s Pakistan had acquired the capability to civilizations. build nuclear weapons using highly enriched uranium I might be barking up the wrong tree here but 21,000 cores. But it lacked the delivery systems. American light years feels awfully close espcially if we maybe made F-16s were not a viable option and missiles are solar systems merging .. i mean many thins in the armed with nuclear warheads were a system of choice universe swirl and merge.. i lean more towards third as they are not as vulnerable to air defense systems star in an eliptical orbit that crosses ours every few as are aircraft, and are also more cost effective. thousand years .. We even now may be feeling the But Pakistan did not possess the wherewithal to build effects after 29 nautral disasters world wide so far this a delivery system consisting of long range missiles year .. which it was desperate to acquire, whatever the cost. Buckle up... Pakistan’s Quest For Missile Delivery Systems Link to thread: ...thread356188/pg1 Since the Chinese were reluctant to provide Pakistan with the ‘M’ series of longer range missiles due to American pressure, Pakistan turned to North Korea to The Great Nuclear view their Nodong prototype. In 1995, the missile deal was consummated and in April 1998, Pakistan test Conspiracy: Benazir Bhutto fired the Nodong which was re-christened as Ghauri. "Evidence for the missile-for-uranium enrichment Carried Nuke Secrets To technology trade probably emerged sometime in 1999. But when U.S. officials raised the subject with the North Korea. Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, he denied any knowledge of it." Created by: mikesingh on May 12, flags: 71, replies: 26 And there it rested. Nawaz Sharif’s word was taken as Benazir Bhutto, the then Prime Minister of Pakistan, confirmation that there was no such trade going on. Or had consistently denied any role of the Pakistani did it? government in Korea’s nuclear ambitions. But now, it Was Washington Privy to The Pak-N Korea Nuclear has come to light that a CD containing vital nuclear Deal? data was carried by her personally to be handed over Why did the U.S follow a policy of appeasement where to her Korean counterpart as part of a secret deal! Pakistan was concerned? The answer is simple: "As she was due to visit North Korea at the end of Pakistan is an ally in the so called war against terror. 1993, she was asked and readily agreed to carry With its contiguous borders with Afghanistan, Al Qaeda critical nuclear data on her person and hand it over on and the Taliban could use this ‘no man’s land’ as arrival in Pyongyang…..The gist of what she told me launch pads against NATO Forces under the U.S, and was that before leaving Islamabad she shopped for an thus it was imperative that nothing short of a policy of overcoat with the deepest possible pockets into which appeasement could assure the advancement of she transferred CDs containing the scientific data American strategy in Afghanistan and to a lesser about uranium which the North Korean wanted." extent Iraq, by keeping the command and control set ATS Premium article by member MikeSingh up of the militants in disarray. May 12th, 2008

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For example, In late July last year, the Institute for Korea, and suggested that Pakistan had exchanged Science and International Security issued a report centrifuge enrichment technology for North Korean revealing that Pakistan was building a heavy-water help in developing long range missiles, by transfer of reactor capable of producing enough plutonium for 40 vital technology and assembling missiles from semi to 50 nuclear weapons a year. The Surprising knocked down kits surreptitiously transported from response from Frederick Jones, a spokesman for the Korea, ironically in American made C-130 Hercules National Security Council, was astonishingly mild: “The transport aircraft! reactor is expected to be substantially smaller and less "U.S. official statements leave little doubt that capable than reported.”! cooperation occurred, but there (visit the thread to view linked images) are significant details missing on the scope of Pakistan's plutonium production reactor at Khushab. cooperation and the role of Pakistan’s Image Source: DigitalGlobe government. Further, both North Korea and Pakistan Double standards and double speak is nothing new have denied that nuclear and are the hallmarks of the present dispensation in technology was provided to North Korea. " Washington. No one batted an eye lid when on Benazir Bhutto, the then Prime Minister, had September 6th last, Pakistan’s military dictatorship consistently denied any role of the Pakistani announced a peace treaty with militants in North government in Korea’s nuclear ambitions. But now, it Waziristan, al-Qaeda’s center of gravity. Vice has come to light that a CD containing vital nuclear President Cheney’s response was unabashed praise data was carried by her personally to be handed over of President Pervez Musharraf as “a man who has to her Korean counterpart as part of a secret deal! demonstrated great courage under very difficult "Benazir Bhutto once played an active role in political circumstances and has been a great ally for furthering Pakistan’s clandestine nuclear programme the United States.” by personally taking CDs to and from North Korea on Concerns about Pakistan’s nuclear links with North an official trip as Prime Minister, reveals a book by her Korea go back to 1999 when proliferation analysts Oxford college mate and journalist Shyam Bhatia who began to speculate about North Korea’s likely gains subsequently kept in regular touch with her. from the Nodong ballistic missile sales to Pakistan. It was in the 90’s that North Korea offered to provide Senior U.S. officials who were briefed on Pakistan’s long range missiles to Pakistan to offset the imbalance nuclear cooperation with North Korea raised the issue with India’s integrated guided missile development at the highest levels of the Pakistani government. In program then led by A. P. J. Abdul Kalam. Jun 2001, U.S. deputy secretary of state Richard By 1993, Pakistan was under the spotlight as never Armitage drew attention to the role of retired Pakistani before [on bartering enrichment technology for nuclear scientists in North Korea’s nuclear program. missiles], with Russia, India and western secret However, his public warnings weren’t paid heed to. services monitoring every nuance of Pakistan’s military Then came the bomb shell in the form of a U.S. research. government source leak to the New York Times in Oct As she was due to visit North Korea at the end of 2002 that Pakistan was the likely source of North 1993, she was asked and readily agreed to carry Korea’s gas centrifuge uranium enrichment program. critical nuclear data on her person and hand it over on "The nuclear-for-missile barter trade between arrival in Pyongyang…..The gist of what she told me Islamabad and Pyongyang probably began in 1997 was that before leaving Islamabad she shopped for an and continued at least until Jul 2002. During this overcoat with the deepest possible pockets into which period, Pakistan’s cooperation with North Korea she transferred CDs containing the scientific data involved the exchange of nuclear personnel, the about uranium which the North Korean wanted. sharing of technical knowledge, design information on Pakistani contacts later explained that Benazir gas centrifuges, machinery and possibly nuclear returned with more than just CDs. The delighted North material." Koreans who had already sold missile technology to This was confirmed tacitly by the then Secretary of Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen insisted she carry State, Collin Powell, when replying to a question back the disassembled parts of an entire missile so whether such cooperation had taken place in the past that Pakistani scientists could study it part by part." said, “ We didn’t talk about the past and I don’t want to Epilogue get into who might have done what, when and at what "Pakistan Gets A New Nuke Missile To Use On India! point in history.” The Associated Press. The conspiracy: The Smoking Gun April 2008. U.S. intelligence officials claim that Pakistan was a key ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: Pakistan said that a missile supplier of uranium enrichment technology to North capable of carrying a nuclear warhead anywhere in

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India is ready for wartime use after troops launched it related to any language outside of Australia. This on Monday during a field exercise. Scientists and indicates that they may have passed down knowledge engineers had prepared the Hatf VI missile, also from the distant past untouched and unaltered by known as Shaheen II, for the exercise with a test-firing outside influences. on Saturday. If we factor out what the aborigines were taught about Monday’s launch “validated the operational readiness history, life and reality by the British Settlers and what of a strategic missile group equipped with the Shaheen they believed prior to adapting to modern culture, II missile,” the Pakistani military said in a statement." ideals and belief-systems, we can learn a thing or two (visit the thread to view linked images) about our mysterious origins. According to their own Pakistani long range nuclear-capable ballistic missile, accounts they have passed down their knowledge for Shaheen II, or Hatf VI, (Nodong) missile being fired tens of thousands of years in oral traditions, values during a test at an undisclosed location in Pakistan. and ceremonies. "North Korea Could Make Nuclear Warhead For Aborigines refer to their ancient time and their present Missile Delivery day reality as “dreamtime”. Important ancestral beings (visit the thread to view linked images) include: The North Korean nuclear The rainbow serpent: This is an ancient being or deity tipped medium-range Nodong that "molded the barren and featureless earth". missile, seen here dressed in Contrary to the claims of mainstream science, the Pakistani Ghauri aborigines are not the only people to have a “rainbow missile colors. serpent” in their Mythology. The rainbow serpent is North Korea is capable of arming its medium-range also known to various african tribes or the african Nodong missile with a nuclear warhead, two US Bantu religion. In fact, maybe it is no coincidence that experts said. The report by the Washington-based Harvard scientist Wade Davis book on Haitan Voodoo Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) and Secret Societies of the West Indies (which also estimates that the communist state has separated originate in Africa) is called "The Serpent and The enough plutonium to build about five to 12 nuclear Rainbow". Neither would it be the only account that weapons. It is also suspected to have obtained somehow associates human origins with Serpents. We warhead designs from Pakistan's rogue nuclear are reminded of the ancient biblical tale of the serpent scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan. in the garden of Eden, ancient Chinese tails of flying Should war break out, "North Korea would be dragons, ancient germanic tales referring to the expected to use its nuclear weapons against military “Lindwurm” which, according to mythology was a flying targets and population centres in South Korea or dragon who shaped the earth, or even of the ancient Japan."" egyptian tale called “The Shipwrecked sailor” which Can one put the genie back in the bottle? By tacitly refers to a beautiful garden that sunk in a flood after allowing the interchange to take place to keep being inhabited by very colorful serpents. An excerpt Pakistan amused in its so called war against terror, the from this ancient egyptian text: U.S has helped make the world more insecure than it "Suddenly I heard a noise as of thunder, which I has ever been. So much for American policy of thought to be that of a wave of the sea. The trees protecting its vital interests. It has done just the shook, and the earth was moved. I uncovered my face, opposite. and I saw that a serpent drew near. He was thirty Refs: cubits long, and his beard greater than two cubits; his CRS Report for Congress body was as overlaid with gold, and his color as that of [edit on 12-5-2008 by mikesingh] true lazuli. He coiled himself before me. "Then he Link to thread: ...thread354783/pg1 opened his mouth, while that I lay on my face before him, and he said to me, "What has brought you, what has brought you, little one, what has brought you? If The Rainbow Serpents you say not speedily what has brought you to this isle, I will make you know yourself; as a flame you shall Created by: Skyfloating on May 16, flags: 71, replies: 784 vanish, if you tell me not something I have not heard, Aborigines and Extraterrestrials or which I knew not, before you.' The premise of this article is to ask our oldest fellow When describing the serpent the ancients always humans about some of the mysteries that elude us. referred to it with the most beautiful colours or mixes of There is sufficient evidence that the Aboriginal People colour. Do we have evidence of common, globally of Australia roamed the earth an amazing 50 000 to shared distant memories of ancient times here? 130 000 years ago.The indigenous languages of the Maybe. various aboriginal groups have been found not to be

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Baiame: According to aboriginal dreamtime accounts Dixon observed, from the evidence available, the deity baiame “came down from the sky to the land Aboriginal myths regarding the origin of the Crater and created rivers, mountains and forests. He then Lakes might be dated as accurate back to 10 000 gave the people their laws of life, their traditions, their years ago.. Further investigation of these observations songs and their culture. When he had finished he by the Australian Heritage Commission lead to the returned to the sky and people called him the Sky Crater Lakes myth being listed nationally on the Hero or the All Father. Baiame is said to be married to Register of the National Estate, and included within Birraghnooloo, “a godess who sends floods”. The idea Australia's World Heritage nomination of the wet of Gods sending floods is reflected in ancient greek, tropical forests, as an "unparalleled human record of ancient egyptian, ancient aztec and ancient sumerian events dating back to the Pleistocene era". mythology. Since then Dixon assembled a number of similar Bunjil: Of many aboriginal groups this is the supreme examples of Aboriginal myths performed or told around God. According to some tribes this is the rainbow Australia accurately describing the landscapes of an serpents father. Others claim he is a cultural hero that ancient past, particularly noting the large number of came down from the sky, taught people the arts and myths telling of previous sea levels, including then went back up to the sky. Yet other tribal groups * the Port Phillip Bay myth recorded as being told to Mr claim he created mankind. Robert Russell in 1850, describing Port Phillip Bay as Having read this far, is aboriginal mythology reminding dry land once, and the course of the Yarra River being you of anything at all? No matter if the mythology is once different (following the then Carrum Carrum south american or african or chinese or northern swamp) - an oral recollection that would have been european, the themes repeat, with flying serpents, accurate 10 000 years ago gods coming down from the sky and returning back, * the Great Barrier Reef coastline myth told to Dixon gods teaching culture and so forth. I actually did not himself in Yarrabah, just south of Cairns telling of a expect to find these very same elements in aboriginal past coastline (since flooded) which stood at the edge history considering that they seemed remote and of the current Great Barrier Reef, and naming places unrelated to other cultures of our planet. now completely submerged after the forest types and “But it's only mythology, isn't it?” the skeptic says. trees that once grew there - an oral record that would “Mythologies are works of fiction”. have been accurate 10 000 years ago But then why do they all feature a serpent? Why not a * the Lake Eyre myths recorded by J.W Gregory in cat? And what would you say if many of the aborigines 1906 telling of the deserts of Central Australia once “tall tales” have meanwhile been scientifically verified? being fertile, well watered plains and the deserts Would that lend more credence to their stories of gods around present Lake Eyre having been one continuous and godesses roaming the earth a long time ago? garden - an oral recollection which matches geologists' Fortunately the aborigines oral traditions seem to have understanding that there was a wet phase to the early survived unobstructed by book burnings and religious Holocene when the Lake would have had permanent or political zealots who sought to suppress any water. " knowledge of earlier grandness. In other words: What some of our more arrogant It is known that aborigines have a deep appreciation of "experts" decry as silly fiction and myth has been the earth and nature which they revere as to what we proven to be amazingly accurate. A group of people might term “sacred”. The Australian linguist R.M.W. who can recall precise events that happened 10 000 Dixon who spend some time recording their myths in years ago will likely be able to tell us more. the original languages, discovered coincidences An interesting aspect of aboriginal myth is that while between some of the landscape details being told in there are more than 400 different groups, tribes and the “myths” and some newer scientific evidence about languages of indigenous people, they all have those landscapes. I quote: common themes within their mythological history. Not " In the case of the Atherton Tableland myths telling of only do almost all of them feature a variation of the the origins of Lake Eacham, Lake Barine, and Lake “rainbow serpent” as a cultural hero...but also refer to Euramo, geological research had dated the same Captain Cook in their myths as a cultural hero. This formative volcanic explosions described by Aboriginal matches the accounts of some other global indigenous myth tellers, as having occurred more than 10 000 tribes who, in their so-called “cargo cults” viewed years ago. Pollen fossil sampling from the silt that'd invading Europeans as “returning gods”. settled to the bottom of those craters since their It´s not like any of these puzzle pieces are new or not formation confirmed Aboriginal myth-tellers advice that available to the general public but that the pieces at the time eucalypt forests dominated rather than the haven't been put together yet. And if they have, they've current wet tropical rain forests. been dismissed as “coincidence”.

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So this is yet another case for the “ancient astronaut This is what he has to say on a tribe called “the Bad” theory” according to which the “gods” were space- of Western Australia: travelers (human, human-like or alien) who's "The aboriginal tribe, the Bad, revered "a supreme technological and/or spiritual development made them being" called Djamar. According to tradition he appear as “culture bearers” or “Gods”. And just when manifested in a manner highly suggestive of we thought the whole idea had been debunked we "something" landing and leaving behind a physical found out that evidence for it can be collected from an record. Of course the reverse can argued. That is that almost forgotten source. the aborigines invested supernatural dimensions into Some readers will now interject that the aborigines are many prosaic features of the natural landscape. not referring to in-the-flesh, physical and touchable The young initiates of the tribe were led to the stony Gods but rather to “spirits” as we define them in bed of a creek and were shown the holes where religion. This has always been an issue within ancient- Djamar had planted his "bullroarer". In aboriginal lore astronaut-theory: Did they ancients refer to physical the sound of the "bullroarer" -- a roaring wind noise -- beings that flew up to the sky or to spiritual beings that symbolised the approach of the god. The original flew to “the heavens”? In the context of this question it accounts indicate that Djamar's bullroar or "galuguru" is interesting to note that aborigine thinking makes no are representations of the "being" itself. According to difference between the two. This is evidenced in the E.A. Worms: famous book “Mutant Messages Down Under” by "Earnestly the old men impress on the youths the Marlo Morgan. It would digress from the main topic terrible force of the original tjurunga, by pointing out here to describe the world-view, but similar to various the baldness of the surrounding hills and the damaged other spiritual traditions, the physical world and the bark of the trees struck by Djamar when he whirled the spiritual world are experienced as the same thing bull-roarer. It smashed the rocks of the foreshore." varying in “levels of density” from the subtle or etheric After the manifestation of Djamar, which left behind all to the unsubtle or physical. The “Gods” can therefore this damage, the supreme being himself ascended appear in both forms. This correspondence nicely to once again into the sky with his "tjurunga". Such ancient egyptian, ancient greek and even buddhist accounts lost in prehistory are full of emotive doctrine. similarities but beyond that they are only diverting tales Suffice it to say that the words for “sky” and “heaven” of the Australian aboriginal 'dreamtime'. " are the same in many other languages and that the Another interesting observation Chalker made, relates ancients did have separate terms for referring to the to the similarity of ancient aboriginal shamanic afterlife or to the sky (see for example the Ancient initiation rites and modern day “alien abduction Egyptian “Book of the Dead”. What our religiously experiences”. Throughout dreamtime history shamans biased translators of the medieval have interpreted to (called “wise men” or “men of higher degree” by the mean “ascending to the afterlife” actually refers to aborigines) have described “ascents” to the “sky gods” “ascending to the sky”. So we are left with thousands in which removal or rearrangement of body parts, ritual of ancient accounts of Gods and Serpents going and disembowelment, implanting of artifacts, journeys into coming from the sky. strange realms, alien guarianship, personal A side-note I want to address is that there are modern empowerment, and transformation occur to the aboriginal accounts of UFO-Encounters and Alien- abducted (or in a shamanic sense to the “initiated”). Abductions. The reason I am not discussing them here "At the turn of the last century, anthropologists is because there is the possibility that these tales are Spencer and Gillen, in their book The Northern Tribes colored by modern culture. Modern aborigines do have of Central Australia (1904), provided a classic account access to Televisions and endless reruns of the X- of the extraordinary shaman genre. Files. An aborigine, Kurkutji, was set upon by two spirits, What is of interest to our modern view of Mundadji and Munkaninji, in a cave: extraterrestrials, especially the so-called “greys” are "Mundadji cut him open, right down the middle line, the ancient accounts of the “sky” or “cloud” beings took out all of his insides and exchanged them for called Wondjina or Wandjina. Rock Art that depicts the those of himself, which he placed in the body of Wandjina show beings with huge eyes, small noses Kurkutji. At the same time he put a number of sacred and no or only very small mouths. Compare the stones in his body. After it was all over, the youngest pictures (I will post later) with what we know modern spirit, Munkaninji, came up and restored him to life, day “grey aliens” look like. told him that he was now a medicine-man and showed Another researcher on the Aborigines-Extraterrestrial him how to extract bones and other forms of evil magic Connection is Ufologist Bill Chalker who has made out of them. Then he took him away up into the sky some very interesting observations on the subject. and brought him down to earth close to his own camp,

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 7 of 40 where he heard the natives mourning for him, thinking example of aborigines inventing new myths after that he was dead. For a long time he remained in a having watched the x-files or being persuaded by non- more or less dazed condition, but gradually he aboriginal-UFO-Enthusiasts. I mention hoaxes like this recovered and the natives knew that he had been because this is where the serious researcher of the made into a medicine-man. When he operates the subject could be led astray. The difficulty of discerning spirit Mukaninji is supposed to be near at hand between mythological tradition and modern invention watching him, unseen of course by ordinary people." lies in the fact that aborigines transferred their Elkin pointed out one particularly evocative example of memories orally rather than in written form. A shamanic lore: researcher will do good to reference written "Amongst the powers of the Mara medicine-men is translations of such accounts that pre-date or modern that of climbing at night by means of a rope invisible to age UFO folklore. ordinary mortals up to the sky, where he can hold Still, the fact that very ancient myth has been verified converse with the star people." with hard scientific evidence, makes it difficult for the Eliade quotes A.W. Howitt's "The Native Tribes of skeptic to use the double-standard of “well, what they South-East Australia, when he recounts the initiation of said about landscapes is accurate, but what they said a Wiradjuri medicine man: about sky-gods is not”. When also factoring in the "We will go up to Baiames camp. He got astride of a congruence to myths of other countries it should at Muir (thread) and put me on another, and we held by least be clear that the ancients all remembered similar each other's arms. At the end of the thread was events that we have forgotten. Wombu, the bird of Baiame. We went through the To readers of this thread: Do share your knowledge of clouds, and on the other side was the sky. We went aborigenes, ancient serpents, ancient australia and its through the place where the Doctors go through, and it extraterrestrials. kept opening and shutting very quickly. My father said Sources that, if it touched a Doctor when he was going through Aborigenes it would hurt his spirit and when he returned home he Aboriginal Mythology would sicken and die. On the other side we saw Aborigines Age Baiame sitting in his camp." UFO-Abductions and Aborigines In modern parlance we have a lesser, but never the Link to thread: ...thread355829/pg1 less similar Australian account: "...a beam of white light dazzled my inner eye and I felt myself soar through the air, upwards into the sky and I The FDIC Secret - 99 Years To was spinning all the while ... I was drawn along this beam of light, but then the effort was too much and it Pay! An ATS MIX Investigation flickered away. Then in what seemed only minutes Created by: Dave Rabbit on May 5, flags: 69, replies: 66 later I burst back to full conscious awareness ... I was You can also participate in this investigation by going lying on a floor of a room which was dimly lit ... I to the ATS MIX area HERE! looked up ... and saw the figure of a man..." Okay.... here's the deal. I am in my bank today talking This description comes from an Australian UFO with my banker who also happens to be the bank contactee and "astral" abductee named Frank Lavery. manager and personal friend and has been with this His account appeared in Psychic Australian, July, major bank for over 20 years. We are shooting the 1977. breeze after I had been in to make a deposit. We are Even then in 1977 I was pointing out the common talking about the financial stability issues in light of the denominators between UFO contact and abduction Bear Stearns fiasco. After my mom's death this past accounts with shaman initiation accounts, for example Christmas, I set-up an estate account with my bank in the alien entity, the period of disorientation, the an FDIC insured account. Anyway, I was telling him travelling into the sky in some cases, and the that rather than taking her $125,000.00 and putting "experience of death and rising again." " $100K in one bank and the 25K in another bank so it Utilizing the Internet I have found several other would all be insured, I figured if the world ever got to a accounts and claims of ancient-astronaut-theory in point where my bank (a MAJOR bank) went under, we regards to aborigines but I will not include them here would be dodging missiles from Iran and it really because they are unverified. One of these unverified wouldn't matter much anyway. Then he tells me, "You stories refers to “Ayers Rock” and an ancient “red egg” know FDIC can take up to 99 YEARS to pay a claim landing at the site and humanoid beings getting out of don't you?" Of course, this blows me away and my DR their craft. As there is no mythological or scholary mentality kicks in and start pursuing this further with corroboration on this, this would seem to be a typical him. He then accesses the FDIC WEBSITE where the

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FDIC discounts this RUMOR and then he goes on to explain that this is something FDIC is doing to dispel Look around you. It’s any panic and to insure that the general public doesn’t get alarmed. happening!! (Beginning of (visit the thread to view linked images) I then say to him ”Okay, so do you have any proof?” UFO disclosure is now!) He tells me he has a document, as do all branch Created by: The Coward on May 20, flags: 66, replies: 366 managers of his bank as well as any FDIC bank or Take a good look around you... It is already happening. institution, that spells this out and what to do in the Just the other night on Larry King they were talking event of any event that caused a closure of a entire about UFOs again, and talking about how the Vatican, bank. I asked if I could see this but he refused as the yes the Vatican, gave the people the Ok to believe in bank has cameras and would capture him opening up ET. Why do you think this is? Why do you think the a secure EYES ONLY area. I told him that I had never U.S. Government is letting the mainstream media to heard of this before. He said that relatively few people start conditioning the peoples? Because finally the lid have as it is something that is kept close to the vest by is open, ET visitation is being accepted as a possibility FDIC other than their rumor spin. He gives me a scary these days. This ain't the 50's no more kids! UFO files scenario. A small bank goes under.... no problem. But on the History channel, Bill O' Reilly talking UFOs, what if some National Emergency took place and Larry king has a UFO show on every month practically, rocked the financial institutions of the US off their feet Paul Hellyer says they are real, Vatican gives ok you and, let’s say, Wells Fargo or Chase goes under. He believe in UFOs, Government agents "leaking UFO then says to me ”Do you really not think the FDIC info" by the ton, the UN talks about UFOs, Britain, would have something in place to allow them to stretch France, Brazil, and many other nations, including U.S. their liability in the event of a catastrophe?” The President Clinton’s UFO library, decide to almost at the bottom line, anyone who is under the false impression same time, to release their files on UFOs. The media that their money is going to be paid IMMEDIATELY if reporting almost every big UFO sighting that occurs their bank goes under, is not taking all the possible with a little bit higher than normal interest than before. circumstances that would prevent immediate payment. The average person’s interest is soaring, making So we finished up our conversation of family and websites like ATS the biggest names on the blogs friends and I left the bank. today. I went to the FDIC WEBSITE and spent several hours UFO sightings are covered more objectively now days, and could find nothing more than them dispelling the smear agents are portrayed as the enemy in the RUMOR. media, Debunkers are becoming the joke and target Johnny and I want to involve the AboveTopSecret.Com practice by the media, (Think Shermer, McGahee, how Membership in this investigation. We want your have they been put to look by today’s media) I comments, we want your input, we want to see if any remember when this used to be the other way around. of our members can land their hands on any official Hum... Now let me see... could this be a coincidence? document where we can secure it and make this NO!!!! document available to the public. We are also I believe that there has been some sort of release or interested in doing interviews of people who will go ON protocol which includes many countries to release and RECORD in this investigative report and then will be condition the people all around the world at around the broadcasted to our 23 Million Plus fan base when we same time. People, don't be blind, its happening!!! have gathered all the information written and audio. Apparently the time has come for the conditioning and You can send Johnny and I any copies of documents acceptance that we are not alone!!! or data via our E-Mail Addresses, which you can find Texas UFO Media Coverage on our Avatars (Photos) OR you can call our TOLL Politics of UFOs Fox News FREE number at 1-877-417-2204 in the US or Clinton’s UFO library on News CANADA. Fox Anchor admits he believes they are real! Thanks for your help. Possible Message sent to viewers, hey viewers you Dave & Johnny should believe too! (This is simply is my interpretation Please FLAG, STAR & DIGG This Mutha! of this message, I could be wrong). [edit on 5/6/2008 by Dave Rabbit] UFO Discussion on Cnn News. Link to thread: ...thread353348/pg1 Glen Beck on O’Hare UFO Keith Olbermann talks UFOs. More O’Hare Coverage Larry King on UFOs (Top Secret No More!)

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Larry King (UFOs are they Real?) Debunker McGahee made to look like a fool! Your Sigil Results, this stuff Portrayed as the enemy, finally!! FAA workers, Pilots, and other Countries Unite, works! Media Frenzy over UFO National Press Club in Created by: Kupios on May 13, flags: 63, replies: 438 November, 2007. Hey everyone! I am normally more of an observer on Paul Hellyer on UFOs ATS but I would really like some feed-back on people's Mars Alien experiences with Sigil Magick. Hope this isn't the Uk realeases UFO files. wrong place to post this. Vatican Says it's Ok to believe in UFOs There is another thread discussing whether or not it New Phoenix Lights on Cnn works but in my experience there is no doubt about it: Most of these are from 2007 to today’s date. IT DOES! Continuous months of UFO coverage in the News. A Hopefully people will be able to post their results and task many of us thought impossible has become a then perhaps discuss what everyone has found to be reality. What gives? Disclosure! the most effective techniques. [edit on 20-5-2008 by The Coward] This is my story: two months ago I saw a Grant Link to thread: ...thread356921/pg1 Morrison Disinfo.com lecture that mentioned sigils and how to do them. With a few friends we all tried and got surprising results. My girlfriend jokingly asked for a Video: 'Spin' ---T.V. Footage small wooden owl and a porcelain badger, just to make things difficult and they appeared within a week! Since you were never supposed to then I myself have had a 50% win rate on scratchcards, no biggies though, and have been very see generously and unexpectedly been given more than Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 24, flags: 66, 1000 GBP. Collectively as a small group we have replies: 61 cured a small skin condition, solicited impossible (visit the thread to view linked videos) emails from old friends. The list goes on and on. If Found another MUST-SEE of "behind the scenes" anyone wants more specifics just ask. media mind-control and brain-washing propaganda As anyone doing this kind of thing will know, its hard to standard practices that are being propegated against relate how amazingly strange this stuff is. We have the unsuspecting masses...It is unreal the mind been doing collective attempts to influence a lottery warfare that is being waged against us!!!:mad: win and although we have not won any big prizes (just Time for everyone to wake up! our money back), statistically our numbers are always "Artist Brian Springer spent a year scouring the SO tantilizingly close its painful! airwaves with a satellite dish grabbing back channel All accounts, no matter how insignificant are welcome! news feeds not intended for public consumption. The Link to thread: ...thread355040/pg1 result of his research is SPIN, one of the most insightful films ever made about the mechanics of how television is used as a tool of social control to distort The Homeless Survival Guide and limit the American public's perception of reality. Created by: LLoyd45 on May 5, flags: 62, replies: 162 Take the time to watch it from beginning to end and I know nobody likes to think of ever being in this you'll never look at TV reporting the same again. Tell situation, but for most people, it's entirely possible with your friends about it. This extraordinary film released the economy being what it is. This is not the be-all, in the early 1990s is almost completely unknown. end-all to street or urban survival, but more like a Hopefully, the Internet will change that." crash course. [edit on 24-5-2008 by DimensionalDetective] I was homeless myself for almost a year, and it was Link to thread: ...thread357834/pg1 hard, but I managed. I missed a lot of things from my previous life like TV, phones, running water, and flushable toilets, but when put in their proper perspective, I realized they were all very inconsequential to my needs for shelter, security, and the all-consuming desire to eat. Being homeless in a large city, is like living in an urban jungle full of predators (people). You practically need

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 10 of 40 eyes in the back of your head to get by. You'll develop Drainage pipes and sewers: Also bad choices.. You'll a sixth sense for danger after awhile, or you'll become stink to high heaven, can be bitten by rats, a victim of a random, or not so random act of violence. acquire a bad infection from all the germs and Street people have an uncanny ability to sense fear bacteria present, or at worst get drowned and vulnerability in others. If you act like a victim, you'll during a storm. be a victim. Homeless preople prey on each other as Vacant buildings or homes: A good choice if you check well as those foolish enough to put themselves in the places out both during the day and at night vulnerable situations. They're not the only predators for habitation. Other homeless people, drug out there stalking victims though. It's especially users, and gangs may frequent them. If dangerous for females who can easily become victims occupied by any of the above, look elsewhere. of sadists and sexual predators. If you find a suitable residence cover the Street Life windows at night if you use a light source, and Living on the streets comes with it's own set of rules. make your comings and goings as • unnoticeable as possible (early or late hours of • Mind your own business. Nothing will cause the day). If you wish to stash some of your you more problems than sticking your nose in belongings, make sure to conceal them well or where it doesn't belong. they may be gone when you return. • Blend in with your surroundings. Try to dress Vacant and wooded lots: Good ideas if they are out of like those around you. If you look like you the public view, show few signs of use like have more than they do, they'll try to take it. beaten down paths, collections of trash like • Don't look for trouble, but defend yourself if bottles, cigarette buts, etc. I lived in a hole I necessary. Street people have an uncanny dug in a secluded lot, that I lined with plastic. It ability to sense fear and vulnerability in others. wasn't the roomiest or most luxurious of Walk tall, but not too tall. If you act like a accomodations, but it was safe and livable. I victim, you'll be one. had a styrofoam chest filled with ice to keep • Never show your money or other valuables. my perishables like lunch meat and milk cool, Keep watches, rings, bracelets, etc. in your a small area to cook in with a pipe for pocket, and out of sight. Keep your cash in ventilation, and a shelf carved out for my bed. various locations so if you do get mugged, you At night I pull some old debris over the top to don't lose it all. Barter for needed items rather conceal the entrance. I cannot stress the need than use money. for stealth when entering an exitting whatever • Avoid the police. There are some nice cops shelter you find. out there, and then there are those who are Continued.. not so nice. If stopped, be polite and [edit on 5/5/08 by LLoyd45] courteous. Nothing will get you locked up, or Link to thread: ...thread353292/pg1 your butt kicked faster than being a smart-ss! To the latter category you're a non-person, and for all intents and purposes you are. NASA about to announce Nobody will care what happens to you. Shelter something Big? The options here are only limited by your imagination. Created by: phaistonian on May 8, flags: 61, replies: 591 Homeless Shelters: Shelters are probably more Any idea what this news release is about? dangerous than sleeping on the street. They're It for sure sounds promising and interesting. typically understaffed, overcrowded, and have Link to thread: ...thread353959/pg1 no security. Your stuff will get stolen while you sleep, you may be attacked by some deranged person, or you could contract any number of diseases from your fellow roomies. At best you'll probably get lice.. Alleys, park benches, doorways, drain pipes: All poor choices.. you will be harrassed by cops, street punks, other homeless people, and may wake up smelling like piss where someone relieved themselves on you whilst you slumbered.

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Three weeks after the September 11, 2001, terror The antivirus software attacks, former US defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld established an official military objective of conspiracy not only removing the Saddam Hussein regime by Created by: Skyfloating on May 6, flags: 59, replies: 183 force but overturning the regime in Iran, as well as in Who benefits the most from computer viruses? Syria and four other countries in the Middle East, Simple answer: The antivirus software companies. according to a document quoted extensively in then- Yet, when I type in the words antivirus and conspiracy under secretary of defense for policy Douglas Feith's into google all I get is articles like: recently published account of the Iraq war decisions. "Debunking the antivirus conspiracy theory" "(visit the link for the full news article) "Why there is no global antivirus conspiracy" Link to thread: ...thread353797/pg1 and similar. In fact, searching for 20 minutes, I did not find one single article on the subject of my interest. Only Debunk and statements such as "There is no Jailed for Protesting Gitmo: way that there is a conspiracy here", "Its impossible". Having the first google-search page plastered with 34 Convicted for categorically stating"its nonsense" makes me suspicious though. Demonstrations Outside The idea that antivirus software companies and virus writers collaborate or that antivirus companies create Supreme Court viruses themselves for the purpose of high demand of Created by: Leo Strauss on May 31, flags: 56, replies: 84 their product and the ensuing huge sales is not as far- www.alternet.org fetched and “crazy” as many claim. Afterall, they ""Article 6, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution states benefit hugely from malware. that any law or treaty that the US is party to is the What do the writers of viruses benefit from creating supreme law of the land and binding on all U.S. courts problems? What is their motivation for doing so and (including this one). As has been stated in our opening continuing to do so? Apparently we are to believe that statement and by defense witnesses, including Father they continue to spread viruses “just for fun”. Where Pickard, the Geneva Conventions, which the U.S. does this constant onslaught of daily viruses come signed, has been, and continues to be blatantly from? And for what reason? violated. The Nuremberg Principles, which the United The main argument of debunkers is "there is no States helped write, state that individuals have a duty evidence for a money trail between the companies and to prevent crimes against humanity from occurring and the virus writers"...as if this money trail would be that if people don't act to prevent such crimes, they are openly shown or easy to be tracked down. :duh: actually complicit in them. We, who are on trial today, Anybody know more and willing to share? along with many friends, refuse to Link to thread: ...thread353619/pg1 be complicit in these crimes. "We ask: Where are the judges and the legal professionals when it comes to confronting the criminal Neocons ADMIT that the 'War acts of our government? Will we be here five years from now? How many more people have to suffer On Terror' is a Hoax! before we end this horror? Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 7, flags: 57, "This is an historic moment. If justice is to come for the replies: 76 prisoners and Guantanamo, and all secret US torture www.opednews.com centers are to be closed, it will happen because judges "Key war on terror architect Douglas Feith has now like you spoke out and people from across the political confirmed Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and spectrum took nonviolent action to petition our Wesley Clark in admitting that the so-called War on government to make this a reality. Terror is a hoax. "(visit the link for the full news article) In fact, starting right after 9/11 -- at the latest -- the Link to thread: ...thread359600/pg1 goal has always been to create "regime change" and instability in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Somalia and Lebanon so as to protect Israel. And the goal was never really to destroy Al Qaeda. As reported in a new article in Asia Times:

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over. So this was a personally government-ordered George W Bush Authorized thing. " Hmmm, whether this turns out to be accurate or not, I 9/11 Attacks Says don't think anyone will argue that Bush's behavior was bizzarre while we were "under attack"...Sitting there Government Insider! very nonchalantly while the nation was under hostile Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 23, flags: 56, bombardment... replies: 118 "We are suing them under the Constitution for violating Hey guys. Not sure if anybody has posted this one yet, Americans' rights, as well as under the federal but I thought it was pretty crazy. Former Senior Advisor Fraudulent Claims Act, for presenting a fraudulent to Bob Dole--Stanley Hilton claims to have documents claim to Congress to justify the bogus Iraq boondoggle and witnesses that no other than the Decider himself war, for political gains. And also, under the RICO ORDERED the attacks! And he is SUING the gov on statute, under the Racketeering Corrupt Organization behalf of the families of victims! Act, for being a corrupt entity. And I've been harassed How deep does the Rabbit hole go? personally by the chief judge of the federal court who "AJ: All right my friends, second hour, the anniversary is instructing me personally to drop this suit, of the globalist attack coming up. It's an amazing threatened to kick me off the court, after 30 years on individual we have on the line. Bob Dole's former chief the court. I've been harassed by the FBI. My staff has of staff, political scientist, a lawyer, he went to school been harassed and threatened. My office has been with Rumsfeld and others, he wrote his thesis about broken into and this is the kind of government we are how to turn America into a dictatorship using a fake dealing with. " Pearl Harbor attack. He's suing the U.S. government Full Article for carrying out 9/11. He has hundreds of the victims' Mod Edit: Link correction - Jak families signing onto it - it's a $7 billion lawsuit. And he [edit on 23/5/08 by JAK] is Stanley Hilton. Link to thread: ...thread357529/pg1 SH: Yeah, we are suing Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Mueller, etc. for complicity in personally not only allowing 9/11 to happen but in Crazy Grid of Earthquakes!! ordering it. The hijackers we retained and we had a witness who is married to one of them. The hijackers What??!! were U.S. undercover agents. They were double Created by: downtown436 on May 3, flags: 55, replies: 195 agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA to spy on Arab Look at this people, and tell me what the heck is going groups in this country. They were controlled. Their on!! landlord was an FBI informant in San Diego and other I have never seen anything like this, and I have places. And this was a direct, covert operation studied earthquake activity for the last 10 years!! ordered, personally ordered by George W. Bush. Replaced 'All Caps' in title. Personally ordered. We have incriminating evidence, Please read The Use of ALL CAPs documents as well as witnesses, to this effect. It's not [edit on 3/5/08 by masqua] just incompetence - in spite of the fact that he is Link to thread: ...thread352873/pg1 incompetent. The fact is he personally ordered this, knew about it. He, at one point, there were rehearsals of this. The reason why he appeared to be uninterested and nonchalant on September 11th - when those videos showed that Andrew Card whispered in his ear the [garbled] words about this he listened to kids reading the pet goat story, is that he thought this was another rehearsal. These people had dress-rehearsed this many times. He had seen simulated videos of this. In fact, he even made a Freudian slip a few months later at a California press conference when he said he had, quote, "seen on television the first plane attack the first tower." And that could not be possible because there was no video. What it was was the simulated video that he had gone

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September 12, 1991, 7:11:04 p.m. EDT. Launch London Olympics 2012 : Zion : delayed 14 minutes by a faulty communication link between KSC and Alien Agenda Exposed!! Mission Control in Houston. Launch Weight: 240,062 Created by: rik_c on May 18, flags: 55, replies: 193 lbs. thecosmicmind.blogspot.com Mission Highlights: "When the logo for the London Olympics was unveiled Primary payload, the Upper Atmosphere Research in June 2007 at the cost of £400,000 there was Satellite (UARS), deployed on the third day of the significant public uproar due to both the cost and how mission. During its planned 18-month mission, the terrible it looked. l4,500-pound observatory will make the most Despite public pressure, the Olympic commitee stood extensive study ever conducted of the Earth's fast on keeping the logo, with no flexibility. In other troposphere, the upper level of the planet's envelope words... the logo was very important. But why? of life- sustaining gases which also include the There have been many interpretations spread over the protective ozone layer. UARS has ten sensing and net, all to dissolve the true symbolic meaning behind measuring devices: Cryogenic Limb Array Etalon the logo. It has been claimed to look like a swastika, a Spectrometer runne"(visit the link for the full news article) (CLAES); Improved Stratospheric and Mesospheric [edit on 18-5-2008 by rik_c] Sounder (ISAMS); Microwave Limb Sounder (MLS); Mod Edit: Tag correction - Jak Halogen Occultation [edit on 19/5/08 by JAK] Experiment (HALOE); High Resolution Doppler Imager Link to thread: ...thread356226/pg1 (HRDI); Wind Imaging Interferometer (WlNDII); Solar Ultraviolet Spectral Irradiance Monitor (SUSIM); Solar/Stellar Irra- diance Comparison Experiment (SOLSTICE); Particle The STS-48 UFOs incident Environ- ment Monitor (PEM) and Active Cavity Radiometer revisited - discussion with Irradiance Monitor (ACRIM II). Secondary payloads were: Ascent Particle Monitor Credulity Kills (APM); Middeck 0-Gravity Dynamics Experiment Created by: internos on May 4, flags: 53, replies: 99 (MODE); Shuttle Let me introduce Credulity Kills: Activation Monitor (SAM); Cosmic Ray Effects and He worked for NASA for 9 years as a mission control Activation Monitor (CREAM); Physiological and specialist for the ISS (his specialty was the ISS Anatomical Rodent guidance, navigation & control system). Experiment (PARE); Protein Crystal Growth II-2 (PCG His experience could be very helpful in order to II-2); Investigations into Polymer Membrane understand the dynamic of one of the most Processing (IPMP); controversial and the Air Force Maui Optical Site (AMOS) NASA ufo footages ever. experiment. The STS-48 UFOs incident revisited " STS-48 Description of Events (visit the thread to view linked images) " " On September 15, 1991, between 20:30 and 20:45 STS-48 (43) Greenwich Mean Time, the TV camera located at the DISCOVERY (13) back of Space Shuttle Discovery's cargo bay was Pad 39-A (42) trained on the Earth's horizon while the astronauts 43rd Shuttle mission were occupied with other tasks. A glowing object 13th Flight OV-103 suddenly appeared just below the horizon and "slowly" 5th Night landing moved from right to left and slightly upward in the Crew: picture. Several other glowing objects had been visible John O. Creighton (3), Commander before this, and had been moving in various directions. Kenneth S. Reightler, Jr. (1), Pilot Then a flash of light occurred at what seemed to be James F. Buchli (4), Mission Specialist 1 the lower left of the screen; and the main object, Charles D. Gemar (2), Mission Specialist 2 along with the others, changed direction and Mark N. Brown (2), Mission Specialist 3 accelerated away sharply, as if in response to the Launch: flash. Shortly thereafter a streak of light moved

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 14 of 40 through the region vacated by the main object, and then another streak moved through the right of the Rupert Murdoch's "News screen, where two of the other objects had been. Roughly 65 seconds after the main flash, the TV Corp." resorts to camera rotated down, showing a fuzzy picture of the side of the cargo bay. It then refocused, turned toward Propaganda? the front of the cargo bay, and stopped broadcasting. Created by: IvanZana on May 29, flags: 53, replies: 48 NASA STS-48 U.F.O admin edit: adjusted title to more accurately reflect (isit the thread to view linked videos) content Subsequently, analysis of the video shows that: infowars.net • The distance from the Discovery to the Earth's " (visit the thread to view linked images)Is Al Qaeda horizon is 2,757 kilometres farming out their propaganda to Hollywood artisans? • The UFO's speed before accelerating into According to Rupert Murdoch's The Australian, the space is 87,000 kph (Mach 73) above image turned up on an Al Qaeda website. Or on • Three seconds after the light flash, the UFO a website populated by people who claim to be Al changes direction sharply and accelarates off Qaeda. Actually, the image was supplied to The into space at 340,000 kph (Mach 285) within Australian newspaper by an American agency that 2.2 seconds claims to monitor Al Qaeda websites, and then sells • Such an acceleration would produce 14,000 g what they find for big dollars to the American, and of force (1g is normal Earth gravity) world"(visit the link for the full news article) (visit the thread to view linked images) It has now been proven that the image in question is Links: really just a screen grab from FALLOUT 3. Space Shuttle Discovery Mission STS-48 - TinWiki Here is another screen grab fom the FALLOUT site. entry (visit the thread to view linked images)http://io9.com/ A New Look at the Evidence Supporting a Prosaic photogallery/fallout3concept/ Explanation of the STS-48 "UFO" Video Most likely this propaganda was lifted from the Chronology of Anomalous Events during STS-48 FALLOUT 3 home page Shuttle Mission Link to thread: ...thread358885/pg1 Commentary on the STS-48 Video: A Closer Look, and Second Thoughts Digital Video Analysis of Anomalous Space Objects - The STS-48 Video (PDF) CGI UFOs | Some of the best Examination of Object Trajectories in the STS-48 "UFO" Video ones Losing the Signal - Proof That Time Stamps on the Created by: internos on May 14, flags: 52, replies: 82 STS-48 Video Released by NASA Are Phony (visit the thread to view linked images) Proof of the Prosaic Nature of the STS-48 Zig-Zag Christopher Kenworthy Video (Skeptical) " Response to NASA's James Oberg's Analysis of (visit the thread to view linked images) STS-48 Video In April 2006, the Australian Film Commission funded Star Wars Over Australia? an experimental digital video project by director On ATS: Christopher Kenworthy. Between June and mid-August NASA STS-48 UFO Video 2006 thirty-one clips of UFOs were created. The UFO NASA Space Shuttle - STS footage & Strange videos were distributed over the internet via websites Objects and video podcasts. USA shots laser at UFO video The project was hugely successful, being viewed by Aurora video? many millions of people. Very few people suspected Firing at UFO's that the clips were manufactured. Gradually, the level STS-48 Mission on video. of plausibility was reduced, but only when the last two UFO?s Prominent in Space clips were uploaded did a large number of people get Looking for Some Footage suspicious. It's also worth noting that two of the UFO UFO Articles on AboveTopSecret.com clips we distributed were quite genuine - and no Space Shuttle Discovery Mission STS-48 Captures researcher was able to pick which two they were. Potential UFOs on Film Link to thread: ...thread353069/pg1

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I wanted to give people a taste of the drama and Title:Naughty grannies excitement of a UFO Close Encounter, creating a (visit the thread to view linked images) genuine sense of wonder. Watch it The project was covered extensively in Adobe Author:barzolff814 Photoshop Forensics by Cynthia Baron. AKA grosdada6 Christopher Kenworthy AKA ladave1969 " Released on:2007 Title:The australian UFO wave Discussed on ATS: (visit the thread to view linked images) [HOAX] Haiti UFO Video - YouTube - [HOAX] Watch it ______Author:Christopher Kenworthy Title:UFO by NIGHT (Former Ufo over Paris) Released on:2006 (visit the thread to view linked images) Discussed on ATS: Watch it Australian UFO videos hoaxed "immersive Author: grosdada6 artwork" AKA:barzolff814 ********************************** AKA ladave1969 (visit the thread to view linked images) Released on:2007 David Nicolas Discussed on ATS: Partizan lab | Numero 6 Ufo over Paris LA Times article ______Britannica entry Title:UFO OVER PARIS " (visit the thread to view linked images) A video was posted as genuine footage to Watch it Youtube.com by a "barzolff814". It depicts two large Author: grosdada6 UFOs flying over an observer on a tropical island, said AKA:barzolff814 to be Haiti in the title "Haiti Ufo". The video was quickly AKA ladave1969 debunked. The video was done entirely with CGI 3D Released on:2007 Animation programs, (using such techniques as Match Discussed on ATS: moving ), by French animator David Nicolas. It "C2C" Drone part 4, Big Basin, page 2 managed to fool many people; many still thoroughly ********************************** believe that the video is real. The hoax was discerned (visit the thread to view linked images) by the identical palm trees in the video, which were Chris Oakley originally in a 3D program called Vue Infinite. Title:Unbelievable UFO Footage! " UFO hovering at Cape of Good Hope, South Africa, Title:UFO Haiti 19th September 2003 (visit the thread to view linked images) (visit the thread to view linked images) Watch it Watch it Author:barzolff814 Author:Chris Oakley AKA grosdada6 Released on:2006 AKA ladave1969 Discussed on ATS: Released on:2007 Vivid Cape Of Good Hope UFO Discussed on ATS: ********************************** [HOAX] Haiti UFO Video - YouTube - [HOAX] (visit the thread to view linked images) ______Kris Avery Title:UFO HAITI 2 "Dominican Republic" ATS Member saladfingers123456 (visit the thread to view linked images) Title:UFO Big Basin CG recreation Watch it " Author: grosdada6 A mock up of the recent 'Big Basin' UFO. Not entirely AKA:barzolff814 correct, as I worked from the first batch of photos, AKA ladave1969 where some details weren't very clear or visable. Released on:2007 " Discussed on ATS: (visit the thread to view linked images) [HOAX] Haiti UFO Video - YouTube - [HOAX] Watch it ______Author:Kris Avery __ AKA: saladfingers123456

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Released on:2007 notoriety to a growing reputation as a mercenary outfit, ______willing to break the constraints on military systems Title:CG UFO Cross above house responsible to state authority. " Scahill describes Blackwater's expansion, from an Not real, but it really looks as if it is. I'm surprising early emphasis on administrative and training myself here. The background and houses aren't even functions to what amounts to a combat role as an video.. just a photo. The UFO is obviously a 3D model internal security force in Iraq. He cites company though. Just having fun here, don't make a big thing representatives who say Blackwater's capacities can out of it. readily be expanded to supplying brigade-sized forces Cheers. for humanitarian purposes, peacekeeping and low- " level conflict. While emphasizing the possibility of an (visit the thread to view linked images) "adventurous President" employing Blackwater's Watch it mercenaries covertly, Scahill underestimates the effect Author:Kris Avery of publicity on the deniability he sees as central to AKA: saladfingers123456 such scenarios. Arguably, he also dismisses too lightly Released on:2007 Blackwater's growing self-image as the respectable ______heir to a long and honorable tradition of contract Title:CG. Motion study cross UFO/Drone 2 soldiering. " Ultimately, Blackwater and its less familiar CG. Motion study of cross UFO/Drone 2. counterparts thrive not because of a neoconservative " conspiracy against democracy, as Scahill claims, but (visit the thread to view linked images) because they provide relatively low-cost alternatives in Watch it high-budget environments and flexibility at a time Author:Kris Avery when war is increasingly protean." AKA: saladfingers123456 Blackwater is run by a man who along with his family Released on:2007 are considered far right-wing conservative, Erik Prince. [edit on 14/5/2008 by internos] This book is very informative of the "who's who" that is Link to thread: ...thread355404/pg1 funding and backing the world's largest "private army" or in other words, mercenaries. " Blackwater : Right-Wing Product Description on Amazon : Meet Blackwater USA, the powerful private army that Conservative America, the U.S. government has quietly hired to operate in international war zones and on American soil. With its Whether You Like It Or Not... own military base, a fleet of twenty aircraft, and twenty-thousand troops at the ready, Blackwater is the Created by: SpartanKingLeonidas on May 3, flags: 50, elite Praetorian Guard for the "global war on terror"-- replies: 224 I'm reading a very interesting book right now about yet most people have never heard of it. It was the Blackwater. Yes, that Blackwater over in Iraq, the moment the war turned: On March 31, 2004, four Middle East, and on American soil as well. On Americans were ambushed and burned near their American soil you ask? Yup, according to this book jeeps by an angry mob in the Sunni stronghold of Blackwater is functioning on American soil as a Falluja. Their charred corpses were hung from a "private Army" which is funded by the Federal bridge over the Euphrates River. Government. The ensuing slaughter by U.S. troops would fuel the Here's a link to the book : fierce Iraqi resistance that haunts occupation forces to Blackwater : The Rise of the World's Most this day. But these men were neither American military Powerful Mercenary Army : Jeremy Scahill nor civilians. They were highly trained private soldiers " sent to Iraq by a secretive mercenary company based Editorial Review from Publisher's Weekly on Amazon : in the wilderness of North Carolina. Scahill, a regular contributor to the Nation, offers a Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful hard-left perspective on Blackwater USA, the self- Mercenary Army is the unauthorized story of the epic described private military contractor and security firm. rise of one of the most powerful and secretive forces to It owes its existence, he shows, to the post–Cold War emerge from the U.S. military-industrial complex, drawdown of U.S. armed forces, its prosperity to the hailed by the Bush administration as a revolution in post-9/11 overextension of those forces and its

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 17 of 40 military affairs, but considered by others as a dire threat to American democracy." ATS Founder SIMON GRAY I'm only on the second chapter so far but this is a great book which was written without permission of Interview - POST YOUR NEW Blackwater I should add. The author attempted to talk to people in Blackwater but they wouldn't budge. It QUESTIONS outlines how Erik Prince is aligned with the Republican Created by: JohnnyAnonymous on May 24, flags: 50, Party and how he has donated heavily to them replies: 97 throughout his life, which is not illegal but as we all Dave and Johnny track down Simon Gray, the owner know Republicans are all about giving money to and creator of this fine forum/board known as companies so the companies can pay them off later or AboveTopSecret.com. The next interview with him (we guarantee them a job as a CEO or some other position will probably have more) is slated for around the 1st within their walls after a Republican's political life has week in July. ended. Here's the perfect opportunity to ask him those burning A YouTube video I found with the author of this book : questions you been secretly wishing to ask.. I mean (isit the thread to view linked videos) seriously.. how often of a chance do you get to ask the A YouTube video I found with George W Bush mastermind of the "number one" conspiracy forum responding about questions about Blackwater : website in the world a question or two? Hmmmm...? (isit the thread to view linked videos) (visit the thread to view linked images) A YouTube video with an interview of Erik Prince by PLEASE REMEMBER ONLY QUESTIONS WILL BE Wolf Blitzer : ACCEPTED ON THIS THREAD. This is not a (isit the thread to view linked videos) discussion thread and will be monitored ...! Please What's interesting to Me about the book is that it talks only post your Questions to be asked of Mr. Simon about Erik Prince's religious views and him being a Gray .. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CREATE THREADS Roman Catholic. His views along with family, are OF YOUR OWN IN OTHER AREAS OF ATS (OTHER intertwined with the Bush Administration heavily along THAN ATSMIX). with the religious right-wing in anti-homosexual/ Link to thread: ...thread357675/pg1 lesbian, anti-abortion, and anti-non-family structures. While I don't necessarily agree with all of those Myself I still have the neutral belief that if it doesn't affect Me directly I really don't care. If you're forcing your views NO ONE! will believe you about down My throat about those things is then when I have a major problem with them. I am anti-abortion because the No. 1 NWO bank I see that as murder but that is My right to view things that way but I would never force My opinion on conspiracy – 6% fixed rate someone else. Here's a Wikipedia link to Blackwater Worldwide, mortgage is a 580% va formely Blackwater USA : Created by: counterterrorist on May 17, flags: 49, replies: Blackwater Worldwide 95 Feel free to read up on the company that is now one of NO ONE! will believe you about the No. 1 NWO bank the largest private armies in the world that is assisting conspiracy – 6% fixed rate mortgage is really a 580% the U.S. Federal Government in the War on Terror. variable mortgage. I posted this in "Military and Government Projects" There is no such thing as a fixed mortgage, it is totally because it is a military and government project, plain bs. A “30-year fixed mortgage” is actually a variable and simple. mortgage, and the rate you really pay is higher than Disagree with Me on that? you can imagine and eliminates financial freedom. Read the book. Nationally, homeowners keep their mortgages an [edit on 3-5-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas] average of 5 years before refinancing … that “30- Link to thread: ...thread352934/pg1 yr-6%” mortgage rate is a minimum of 107%. So, if you’re a banker, you continue predatory lending and set people up then want to foreclose to be able to resell and get 580%. In fact, the “6%” ‘fixed’ mortgage the first year is 580%. The following table shows you that since mortgages are “front-end loaded for interest” (which means you

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 18 of 40 pay interest heavily over principle), you start off at 580% and the mortgage never reaches a 6% rate until Ghost Crop Circles! the last year of the 30-year term. The last year, Created by: mikesingh on May 15, flags: 47, replies: 47 probably the last day. NO ONE WILL BELIEVE YOU, So it’s a divided house where crop circles are but it’s true. concerned. Made by aliens or are they man-made? Also, regarding the real interest rate of the loan, the Undoubtedly, many are known to be man-made, but 15-yr is much lower than the 30-year. The following there are some that defy explanation. table compares the effective rate on a 6%-30 vs. a Before you go any further, take a good look at this CC: 5%-15. (visit the thread to view linked images) Year------30yr mortgage ------15yr mortgage Yatesbury Crop Circle 1------580%------161% Courtesy: margheritacampaniolo 3------182%------51% "In 2002, Discovery Channel commissioned 5 5------102%------28% aeronautics and astronautics students from MIT to 7------68%------18% create crop circles of their own. Discovery's production 10------43%------11% team consulted with crop circle researcher Nancy 15------24%------5% Talbott, who provided them with three attributes which 20------15%------paid off she believed set "real" crop circles apart from known 25------9%------paid off man-made circles such as those created by Doug and 30------6%------paid off Dave. These criteria were: Here’s another way to look at it, using for example, a 1. Elongated apical plant stem nodes. $150,000 30-yr fixed-rated mortgage at 6%: 2. Expulsion cavities in the plant stems. Yr---interest pd------principal pd------balance owed 3. The presence of 10-50 micrometer diameter 1----$8,949.89------$1,842.02------$148,157.98 magnetized iron spheres in the soils, distributed 2----$8,836.28------$1,955.53------$146,202.35 linearly." 3----$8,715.66------$2,076.25------$144,126.11 Talbott noted that the team had only been able to 4----$8,587.60------$2,204.31------$141,921.80 recreate 2 of the 3 criteria. 5----$8,451.65------$2,340.46------$139,581.54 "Talbott also expressed concerns that the iron particles 6----$8,307.30------$2,484.61------$137,096.93 were not distributed laterally. Furthermore, she felt that 7----$8,154.06------$2,637.85------$134,459.08 the team's use of night vision headsets and other 8----$7,991.36------$2,800.55------$131,658.53 technologically advanced items ( Microwave emitters 9----$7,818.63------$2,973.28------$128,685.80 and the "Flammschmeisser" to spray iron particles 10---$7,635.24------$3,156.66------$125,528.59 through a heated ring), would be out of reach for the 11---$7,440.55------$3,351.36------$122,177.23 average hoaxer. " 12---$7,233.84------$3,558.07------$118,619.16 Be that as it may, there is a phenomenon with some of 13---$7,014.39------$3,777.52------$114,841.64 the CCs that has not been investigated to the extent 14---$6,781.40------$4,010.51------$110,831.13 they should have. 15---$6,534.04------$4,257.97------$106,573.27 The Ghost Circles 16---$6,271.43------$4,520.48------$102,052.78 Do magnetized iron spheres in the soil which are seen 17---$5,992.61------$4,799.30------$97,353.49 to be distributed linearly, have any affect on the 18---$5,696.60------$5,095.31------$92,158.18 phenomenon of ‘Ghost Circles’? Since these are 19---$5,382.33------$5,409.57------$86,748.60 unable to be produced either naturally, or by artificial 20---$5,048.68------$5,743.23------$81,005.38 means, could they have an ET connection? 21---$4,694.45------$6,097.45------$74,907.92 "For many years, flying over the traditional English 22---$4,318.38------$6,473.53------$68,434.39 places that have crop circles inside (Wiltshire, 23---$3,919.10------$6,872.81------$61,561.59 Hampshire, Sussex etc…) we have been aware that 24---$3,495.20------$7,296.71------$54,264.88 sometimes, where last year a crop existed, after one 25---$3,045.16------$7,746.75------$46,518.13 year, after a new crop has grown, we have been able 26---$2,567.36------$8,224.55------$38,293.58 to catch sight, from above, of "signs" that mark off 27---$2,060.08------$8,731.83------$29,561.75 those plant areas that had been impressed into the soil 28---$1,521.52------$9,270.39------$20,291.37 forming the patterned outline." 29---$949.75------$9,842.16------$10,449.21 These newly grown areas produce ‘ghosts’ of previous 30---$342.70------$10,449.21------$0.00 CCs though the area has been ploughed before planting the next crop! Link to thread: ...thread356038/pg1 Now take a look at Peter Sorensen’s images of ‘ghost’ CCs:

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(visit the thread to view linked images) (visit the thread to view linked images) Cold-fusion demonstration a Pics: Peter Sorensen That’s intriguing! Ghost images in newly laid crops of success previous crop circles! If the CCs were man made, how Created by: sn00daard on May 26, flags: 47, replies: 37 come their ghost images appeared one year later after physicsworld.com the field was planted with new crops after re-plowing? "Here's an email I received from Akito Takahashi, a That means there’s something in the soil that has colleague of Arata's, this morning: reproduced the ghost image. How can it reappear "Arata's demonstration...was successfully done. There again after a year? came about 60 people from universities and Can this happen if CCs are made with wooden planks companies in Japan and few foreign people. Six major and a few yards of rope? newspapers and two TV [stations] (Asahi, Nikkei, Cheers! :D Mainichi, NHK, et al.) were there...Demonstrated live [edit on 15-5-2008 by mikesingh] data looked just similar to the data they reported in Link to thread: ...thread355592/pg1 [the] papers...This showed the method highly reproducible. Arata's lecture and Q&A were also attractive"(visit the link for the full news article) The Prosecution Of George W. Related News Links: translate.google.com Bush For Murder translate.google.com Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 9, flags: 47, Link to thread: ...thread358168/pg1 replies: 78 www.commondreams.org "There is direct evidence that President George W. Project Camelot's NEW 4hr Bush did not honorably lead this nation, but deliberately misled it into a war he wanted. Bush and long interview with John Lear his administration knowingly lied to Congress and to Created by: Terrapop on May 4, flags: 46, replies: 264 the American public — lies that have cost the lives of Very interesting stuff... and at the beginning of the first more than 4,000 young American soldiers and close to video there is a discussion about how ATS is alledgly $1 trillion. controlling the public opinion on their message boards. A Monumental Lie Get your popcorn and watch it. In his first nationally televised address on the Iraqi Recommended :up: crisis on October 7, 2002, six days after receiving the Link to thread: ...thread353103/pg1 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), a classified CIA report, President Bush told millions of Americans the exact opposite of what the CIA was telling him -a monumental lie to the nation and the world. The ATSer~ Global Terror On the evening of October 7, 2002, the very latest CIA intelligence was that Hussein was not an imminent Information Fusion Center threat to the U.S. This same information was delivered Created by: ADVISOR on May 13, flags: 46, replies: 73 to the Bush administration as early as October 1, The intention of this thread is for an ATS collaborative 2002, in the NIE, including input from the CIA and 15 effort. other U.S. intelligence agencies. In addition, CIA Some thing simular to this, was started in RATS. How director George Tenet briefed Bush in the Oval Office ever, because of either lack of access or another on the morning of October 7th. reason it didn't get much notice. I hoped a more open "(visit the link for the full news article) forum would be more active. Link to thread: ...thread354283/pg1 Found some rather useful links (many I have in a fav folder), for people looking to track incidents and activity in the world. Since the government and federal plus state authorties are creating their own info "fusion centers", I though it would be beneficial for those of us interested in such things, to at least have a start. What follows are a some sites that can be used to reference or as a data system. Please feel free to add

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 20 of 40 further material of a related nature, along with any contributing comments and or opinions. The Secret Of Gravity Keeping an eye on these things can help develop patterns, or even potential trails. By no means is this a Revealed - Scientific complete resource and intentionally so, I left it open for others to add to it. What is offered below is my modest Experiment Included contribution for a start, in what I hope to be an on Created by: ALLis0NE on May 25, flags: 44, replies: 525 going, ATS Project. I am releasing information about gravity. It is all a lie. Reccomend Hybrid visual option Gravity is nothing more the magnetic force. Magnetic Global Display: Terror & Suspicious Events force is nothing more than electric particles. A vast "TrackingTheThreat.com is database of open source amount of particles are circulating around Earth. South information about the Al Qaeda terrorist network polarity particles leave the North Hemisphere, and GeoView North polarity particles leave the South Hemisphere. " Both particles bend around the entire Earth and are Click the "Worldwide Incidents Tracking System" attracted to their opposite. This means in the North National Counterterrorism Center's database of Hemisphere, North particles are raining down from the terrorist incidents sky to Earth. In the South Hemisphere, South polarity This site had a really detailed map of all terror events, magnets are raining down from the sky to Earth. including attacks in Mid East. They recently redid the You can test this with a simple experiment. Read the site, and i havn't found the map again. following web page: Want to post it how ever because it is a very useful ------resource. Materials Needed: Countering Terrorism With Knowledge 1: Long piece of thread, or string. UofM Docs- Terror 2: 12 inch long piece of hard steel fishing wire. More of a how to links 3: Strong magnet. "How do investigators know whether they are on to Take the long piece of thread, and tie it to the ceiling, something big? or something high above, and let it hang down. Then Once we have their direct links, the next step is to find tie the string to the exact center of the 12 inch long their indirect ties -- the 'connections of their piece of hard steel fishing wire, so that the weight of connections'. the steel wire is perfectly balanced. Just like image Network Analysis" below: Terrorist Activity (visit the thread to view linked images) GWoT Strategic Studies Now take your strong magnet, and magnetise the steel Dossier .uk wire by running the magnet from one side to the other (ex: left to right) multiple times. You can also use Link to thread: ...thread355230/pg1 "electricity" to magnetise the wire if you don't have a strong magnet. Once the steel wire is magnetised, you should see the wire become unbalanced. In the North MRO image of Phobos shows Hemisphere, the South pole of the magnet rises higher than the North pole as shown in the illustration below: artifact! (visit the thread to view linked images) Created by: darkbluesky on May 6, flags: 44, replies: 48 As you can see, the magnetic field has a direct effect Whats casting this very long shadow on the rim of the on the weight and balance of the steel wire. This is crater in this picture? scientific proof that a magnetic field effects the weight It's very bright and very tall. and balance of an object. Also it proves experimentally Some kind of tower or gantry? that with the right amount of magnetism, you can Ideas? levitate from Earth. "Anti-Gravity" is nothing more than wide view: magnetic repulsion from Earth. (visit the thread to view linked images) Link to thread: ...thread358046/pg1 closer: (visit the thread to view linked images) zoom: (visit the thread to view linked images) Link to thread: ...thread353583/pg1

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after verifying what they'd been doing that day, they'd Popstars and UFOs shoot off." Created by: Beamish on May 20, flags: 42, replies: 56 (links removed) With the recent advent of Mr Robbie Williams joining Bowie was well aware of the pitfalls of publicly ATS, I got to wondering about how deep the speaking of ET, yet knew how to disperse it with connection between popular music and the study of minimum damage: extraterrestrials and UFOs goes. I was pleasantly "…it's what you do with the information. We never surprised, and not to mention intrigued, by my findings. used to tell anybody. It was beautifully dissipated when It’s sad to see, but wasn’t entirely unexpected (this is it got to the media. Media control is still based in the ATS, after all), that there has been a small, but main on cultural manipulation. It's just so easy to do. unpleasant backlash against Mr Williams’ courageous, When you set up one set of objectives toward the and honest reporting of his sightings. I’m not starting public and you've given them a certain definition for this thread to attack or defend either “side”, but to each code word, you hit them with the various code show, hopefully persuasively, that music, and popular words and they're not going to believe anything if you music especially, is deeply ingrained with all things don't want them to." Alien. (Same source) Mr Williams, in declaring his interest, should be In the same vein, in this clip from the Dick Cavett’s pleased to know he is in extraordinarily illustrious “Wide World of Entertainment”, he makes what seems company. These are a few musicians who have openly an off-hand comment about UFOs: stated that they have either seen, and in some (links removed) controversial accounts, allegedly interacted with UFO There is an undeniable alien theme running through occupants (sorry if they’re a little obscure ;) ): his work, undoubtedly fuelled by his interest in all Reg Presley, things paranormal and conspiratorial and the excesses David Bowie, of his early professional life. One of his most John Lennon, successful acting roles was as Thomas Jerome Jimi Hendrix, Newton in the 1976 Nicholas Roeg movie “The Man Mick Jagger, Who Fell To Earth”. In it he plays a Ziggyesque Keith Richards, character, this time stranded on Earth. He gives a Michael Jackson, strangely relaxed performance, as if the role fits him as Cat Stevens, well as the main character’s “human suit” does. Elvis Presley, (links removed) Sammy Hagar. So it’s obvious that Bowie was comfortable, and And there are many more… willing, to promote his views candidly, as he knew just David Bowie famously incarnated during the 1970’s as how far he wanted it to go. Canny man. the distinctly “alien/glam rock” Ziggy Stardust. The On August 23rd, 1974, John Lennon and his assistant 1972 album, “The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and and mistress, May Pang, witnessed a UFO from his the Spiders from Mars”: apartment balcony in New York. She stated: " …presents the story, albeit vaguely, of "Ziggy " I remember I was just inside the bedroom getting Stardust", a Martian who comes to Earth to liberate dressed when John started shouting for me to come humanity from banality." out onto the terrace. I yelled back that I would be right (links removed) there, but he kept screaming for me to join him that Whilst the history and rationale behind the album is instant. As I walked out onto the terrace, my eye well documented and very much a product of the caught this large, circular object coming towards us. It times, we can take his interest in UFOs considerably was shaped like a flattened cone, and on top was a further. In a 1975 issue of Creem Magazine, Bowie large, brilliant red light, not pulsating as on any of the was interviewed by the journalist Bruno Stein, and aircraft we'd see heading for a landing at Newark made what is now his most famous quote with regard Airport. May says she and John stood there to UFOs: mesmerized, unable to believe what they were in the "I used to work for two guys who put out a UFO process of observing. " magazine in England…About six years ago. And I (links removed) made sightings six, seven times a night for about a The encounter moved Lennon immensely, and he year when I was in the observatory. We had regular spoke of it often. In fact, he was so inspired that he not cruises that came over. We knew the 6.15 was coming only included an account of it on the cover of his 1974 in and would meet up with another one. And they “Walls and Bridges” album: would be stationary for about half an hour, and then (links removed)

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But he also incorporated references in to two of his songs: Chopper Catches Glimpse of "Like a UFO you came to me, and blew away life's misery..." - Out of the Blue, from the album Mind Lost World Games." Created by: Beelzebubba on May 29, flags: 42, replies: 249 And www.news.com.au "There's UFO's over New York, and I aint too "(visit the thread to view linked images) surprised..." - Nobody Told Me, from the album Milk AMAZON Indians from one of the world's last and Honey" uncontacted tribes have been photographed from the The story deepened with the addition of “Night Aliens” air, with striking images showing them painted bright and Uri Geller. In an alleged conversation with the red and brandishing bows and arrows at a helicopter. famous psychic, Lennon apparently handed over a The photographs of the tribe near the border between “golden egg” given to him by aliens. In Geller’s words, Brazil and Peru are rare evidence that such groups Lennon told him: exist. "(visit the link for the full news article) "About six months ago, I was asleep in my bed, with Link to thread: ...thread359046/pg1 Yoko, at home, in the Dakota Building. And suddenly, I wasn’t asleep. Because there was this blazing light round the door. It was shining through the cracks and the keyhole, like someone was out there with Tibetan Monks See Aliens searchlights, or the apartment was on fire...I leapt out of bed, and Yoko wasn’t awake at all, she was lying Saving Earth From Humans In there like a stone, and I pulled open the door. There were these four people out there… Well they didn’t 2012! want my f---in’ autograph. They were, like, little. Bug- Created by: mikesingh on May 4, flags: 41, replies: 163 like. Big bug eyes and little bug mouths and they were Frankly, I really don’t know what to make of this. scuttling at me like roaches" Tibetan monks it is said are adept at ‘remote viewing’. (links removed) Tourists visiting Tibetan monasteries have allegedly (Continued...) brought back stories about ETs saving Earth from the Link to thread: ...thread356742/pg1 coming catastrophe in 2012. "According to these tourists remote viewers are seeing world powers in the course of self-destruction. They also see that the world will not be destroyed. Between Paul Stamets: 6 ways now and 2012 the world super powers will continue to engage in regional wars. Terrorism and covert war will mushrooms can save the be the main problem. In world politics something will happen in and around 2010. At that time the world world powers will threaten to destroy each other. Created by: whiteraven on May 24, flags: 42, replies: 48 Between 2010 and 2012, the whole world will get www.ted.com polarized and prepare for the ultimate dooms day. "Cleaning polluted soil, creating new insecticides, Heavy political maneuvers and negotiations will take treating smallpox and even the flu ... in 18 minutes, he place with little progress. doesn't get all the way through his list, but he has In 2012, the world will start plunging into a total plenty of time to blow your mind. destructive nuclear war. Scientific interpretation of the "(visit the link for the full news article) monks’ statements makes it evident that the Extra Related News Links: Terrestrial powers are watching us every step of the www.dailymail.co.uk way. They will intervene in 2012 and save the world www.fungi.com from self-destruction. Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion Threads: When asked if these extra-terrestrials will show up in And Now Mushrooms On Mars!!! reality in 2012, the answers remote viewers are giving Link to thread: ...thread357845/pg1 are: they will reveal themselves in such a way that none of us are scared. They will reveal themselves only if they have to. As our science and technology progresses, we are destined to see them and interact with them anyway. "

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Now connected with this ubiquitous date of 2012, is the astonishing connection between the Mayan UFO-Flashing Lights in CLEAR calendar and Hindu prophesy, though these two ancient cultures had absolutely NO contact! DAYLIGHT "It is amazing that both calendars began at about the Created by: Camilo1 on May 31, flags: 39, replies: 86 same time over 5,000 years ago and both calendars Dark UFO-OVNI Flashing Lights in CLEAR DAYLIGHT predict a totally new world and/or golden age after Very strange, it could of course be a balloon, but what about 5,000 years into their calendars! We are can explain all the light flashes? definitely on to something with these Mayan and Hindu See for yourself, posted by Luckymauro in Youtube 2012 predictions. Historically, this is an amazing fact (isit the thread to view linked videos) since these two ancient cultures did not have any Link to thread: ...thread359536/pg1 contact. " Whether there would be ET intervention or not, we may be heading into a new golden age commencing 2012! It’s not the end of the world as many have Ron Paul publicly names predicted. But a new beginning. And this has been confirmed by the statement of a top Indian astrologer, neoconservatives Kaalchakra who says that all the doomsday Created by: CaptGizmo on May 14, flags: 38, replies: 134 predictions for 2012 A.D. are wrong. Will the ETs be www.liveleak.com responsible for ushering in the ‘Golden Age’? Only "This is a speech given by Ron Paul on the House time will tell! floor in which he names the neocons and the views Cheers! :D they adhere to. Link to thread: ...thread353091/pg1 "Ron Paul 2008 - He will do as much as he can before he gets shot""(visit the link for the full news article) Siegleman: 'This Will Make Link to thread: ...thread355367/pg1 Watergate Look Like Child's Homeland Security Update: Play' Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 19, flags: 41, Chertoff Says New Laws replies: 41 thinkprogress.org Needed "Last week, House Judiciary Committee members Created by: mybigunit on May 6, flags: 37, replies: 103 rejected Rove’s offer to answer the committee’s www.blacklistednews.com questions in writing — rather than testifying under oath "At a speech before the Heritage Foundation this — stating that “we can see no justification for his week, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff refusal to speak on the record to the Committee.” said the U.S. needs to have a “nonpoliticized, serious In his interview, Siegelman also stressed that that his discussion” while writing new laws to define the best case is “not an isolated incident”: way to combat terrorism. Siegelman: I think this will make Watergate look like Chertoff said that once laws are written, the public child’s play when it is fully investigated, not so much should not second-guess government actions and this case because certainly it’s not about me. It’s about claim that federal officials are overstepping their restoring justice and protecting our democracy and, authority. He decried critics who make such because this case shows the lengths to which those accusations, despite the widespread pubic calls after who are obsessed with power will go in order to gain the September 11, 2001 attacks for the U.S. power or retain power, it has attracted the attention of government to do more to protect the country. Chertoff the national press. further said U.S. society needs to come to a This was a pernicious, political plan that was set in determination as to what are acceptable authorities for motion by Karl Rove to further his espoused dream of the U.S. government versus what violates people’s establishing a permanent Republican majority in this rights."(visit the link for the full news article) country, and what he left out was by any means Link to thread: ...thread353498/pg1 necessary. "(visit the link for the full news article) Link to thread: ...thread356547/pg1

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(links removed) An Experiment in Alternative Another "alternative" method of earthquake prediction is the study of animal behavior. As you may recall, Methods of Earthquake after the tsunami receded, it was noted that no dead animals were found. That was because, the locals Prediction explained, they sensed the impending wave and fled Created by: kattraxx on May 14, flags: 37, replies: 1505 to higher ground. When you live in the epicenter of an earthquake Extensive research on animal behavior preceding swarm, as damntheptb and I do, and all the "experts" geologic events has been done in China. and seismologists can tell you nothing except "Well, "WILD ANIMALS: Animals vacate areas, gather in these quakes could stop as suddenly as they began, groups, or enter into human habitated areas prior to or they might be precursors of a larger earthquake."-- incidents. Wild animals that normally avoid humans you start looking for answers on your own. Which is will come in close contact with them, sometimes what led us to co-author this thread laying out what entering into dwellings or barns; Fishing improves in we've discovered, and also to keep track of the Reno the local area. Zoo and oceanarium animals will try to earthquake swarm, as well as our own personal escape, refuse to be confined and more! Remember, observations as they pertain to the various earthquake behavioral changes can occur for a variety of other prediction methods we've been researching. Our reasons. CATS: Cats will be jumpy. You may see objective in exploring various methods of earthquake warning signs such as hiding, running prediction is simply to be more aware, and if lucky, around frantically trying to escape to the outside, forewarned. And by forewarned, we mean prepared-- hanging on screens and meowing, or behavior unusual not panicking and putting our homes on the market. for your pet. Many times they will be aggressive, or will As it turns out, there are many "alternative" techniques want to stick close to or be on top of you. Pacing, being used, usually in combination, to predict hissing, or growling can also be symptoms. Most cats earthquakes. will hide, so check their favorite hiding places and One intriguing method is geosensology: the study of behind cupboards, refrigerators, sofas, beds, in senses and biological systems as it relates to geologic closets, in the backs of washers and dryers, and on dynamics or events. What led damntheptb and I to top of cupboards, shelves and behind the water research this particular alternative method of heater. Check small spaces in the backs of any earthquake prediction is that while comparing notes in appliance since they will often seek out dark and small e-mail, we noticed similar physical precursors to the areas. larger EQ's here in the Reno area. It can be said that DOGS: Dogs will usually not hide. Behavior exhibited Charlotte King is the most well-known pioneer of this before quake activity method of earthquake prediction. Put simply, while includes howling, whining, barking, restlessness, living in the Pacific Northwest, Charlotte began to aggression, and increased devotion to owners. They notice specific physical affects, like headaches, would will usually run around, and can bolt through gates, precede earthquakes and volcanic events. In time, by windows, or doors, or stick to you like glue. Some keeping track of these biological precursors, she was dogs will become more protective or aggressive while able to fairly accurately predict these geologic events. others will be fearful or act dejected. Pay attention to She says that many people are earthquake sensitive, their personalities and individual needs and you will be some more than others, but many people simply don't able to avoid trouble. Drastic differences in the number make the connection. According to Charlotte, of advertised lost dogs and the animal shelter loads earthquake sensitives worldwide, will experience "the can precede quake activity in a specific area. Large same physical symptoms, at the same time, in the increases in these numbers could give you a clue to same part of their body". up coming earth activity. Please visit her website linked below to review the HORSES AND LIVESTOCK: Hoofed animals often extensive scientific and medical research Charlotte refuse to enter their barns or pens and often refuse to has submitted to in order to better understand this tie. They tend to group together in open areas, act process she experiences. On her Earthquake Alert nervous, or pace. Page, you can read how she describes her physical OTHER ANIMALS: Caged birds will often hang on symptoms and correlates them to various regions. their cage, sometimes they The Charlotte King Effect will flap frantically, or they can be abnormally quiet. Other links on biological earthquake prediction. Breeding birds will often Aches to Quakes - Sensitives Who Predict abandon their eggs or discard them from the nest. Earthquakes Suffer Pain and Ridicule Other animals will exhibit

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 25 of 40 abnormal behavior. Some of the unusual changes are Modern science of earthquake genesis, called 'brittle that; Hibernating animals will emerge early (snakes , fracture theory', is sudden fracture of a fault. Yet these bears, etc.); Spiders and ants will move indoors; clouds form days before earthquakes. How?" Rodents will invade the house or if they are in See this link for more information and photographs. residence will disappear; Wild birds become quiet or Unlocking the mystery of 'Earthquake Clouds' - are not visible; how they form & why - Are they accurate in WILD ANIMALS: Animals vacate areas, gather in prediction? groups, or enter into human habitated areas prior to I've taken a few photographs myself of strange cloud incidents. Wild animals that normally avoid humans formations in the skies above northwest Reno, and will will come in close contact with them, sometimes put them up on this thread in the near future. entering into dwellings or barns; Fishing improves in At the risk of including too much information, in closing the local area. Zoo and oceanarium animals will try to we'll include one last link that lists a number of escape, refuse to be confined and more! Remember, earthquake prediction methods. behavioral changes can occur for a variety of other earthquake prediction-meteoquake reasons." CLOUD FORMATION ON THE FAULT LINES Seismic Sentries Animal Disaster Predictions: Electromagnetic effects caused by earthquakes and Expert Comments explosions " It was in the early evening hours of February 4, 1975, Ground Water Levels when an earthquake of magnitude 7.3 struck the Chemical Changes in Ground Water densely populated town of Heicheng, in the Liaoning Radon Gas in Ground Water Wells Province, in northeast China. As expected, because Tilt Precusors the magnitude was great and the area highly VLF Background Noise populated, damage to Haicheng and to neighboring Thermal Anamoly towns was extensive. However, what was different It seems that many alternative methods of predicting about this earthquake is that very few lives were lost. earthquakes are used in combination, with some The reason for this was that the occurrence of this success. earthquake had been successfully predicted. The main point of our thread here, is not to vouch for The prediction was based on a number of geophysical the effectiveness of various methods of alternative observations of precursor events as well as abnormal earthquake prediction. animal behavior. In the town of Heicheng, before the Our objective here is to outline a few of these earthquake, wolves were seen running around in unconventional methods of earthquake prediction and packs, dogs were barking unusually, and sparrows log our own personal observations here as well, more were flying around wildly. The most unusual or less as an on-going experiment, since we both live circumstance of animal behavior was that of snakes practically on the epicenter of the Reno earthquake that came out of hibernation and froze on the surface swarm. As we noted, it's not like the scientists have in the snow." much to offer us in the way of answers, so what have See these links for more information on these events we got to lose? and the study of animal behavior. Link to thread: ...thread355403/pg1 Earthquake Prediction in China - Monitoring Animal Behavior - by Dr George Pararas Carayannis Earthquake Predictors on Yahoo! Pets First-ever government review Many people also study the behavior of ants as well. Personally, I noticed ants swarming in my back yard of fluoride/thyroid toxicology the day before our last 3.8 magnitude earthquake and we will be keeping an eye on their behavior. shows risk . Another method used is the study of cloud formations, Created by: kdial1 on May 19, flags: 37, replies: 64 commonly referred to as earthquake clouds. www.pr-inside.com "'Earthquake Clouds'- For years, considered a mystery "Over, 1,700 Physicians, Dentists, Scientists, to science with an unknown form of genesis, strange Academics and Environmentalists urge Congress to cloud formations have been thought to precede stop water fluoridation until Congressional hearings earthquakes. Even ancient Chinese and Italians were are conducted. They cite new scientific evidence that aware of unique clouds that gave sign preceding large fluoridation is ineffective and has serious health risks. earthquakes. Sudden formation of long 'snakes' in the (http://www.fluorideaction.org/statement.august. sky, where prior was clear and blue, where the deep 2007.html)"(visit the link for the full news article) earth warns in the sky above - how can this be? Link to thread: ...thread356667/pg1

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endanger the viability of the massive buildup of public Pentagon Propaganda and private debt (from less than $11-trillion in 1987 to $49-trillion last year) that props up the American Documents Go Online! But economy. "(visit the link for the full news article) Will The Media Ever Report [edit on 10-5-2008 by DimensionalDetective] Link to thread: ...thread354500/pg1 Them? Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 7, flags: 36, replies: 46 Strange holes appearing out counterpunch.org "Eight thousand pages of documents related to the of nowhere Pentagon's illegal propaganda campaign, known as Created by: SuperSlovak on May 31, flags: 35, replies: 152 the Pentagon military analyst program, are now online "A strange phenomena is happening in some Russian for the world to see, although in a format that makes it forests. People are finding strange, deep holes. impossible to easily search them and therefore difficult They appear in the dense forest, in the places you to read and dissect. This trove includes the documents can’t get on the car or truck to bring any device to drill pried out of the Pentagon by David Barstow and used the ground. There is no soil nearby that should be as the basis for his stunning investigation that taken from such deep hole. appeared in the New York Times on April 20, 2008. In these pictures people go down to one of such holes The Pentagon program, which clearly violated US law but it just finishes with nothing. There are no any against covert government propaganda, embedded reasonable ideas on how these holes appear and what more than 75 retired military officers -- most of them they are being used for..." with financial ties to war contractors -- into the TV Source networks as "message surrogates" for the Bush Who or what is digging these holes and why!? Administration. To date, every major commercial TV Link to thread: ...thread359412/pg1 network has failed to report this story, covering up their complicity and keeping the existence of this scandal from their audiences. "(visit the link for the full news article) Shards of the Illuminati Link to thread: ...thread353893/pg1 Created by: Maban on May 4, flags: 34, replies: 578 !!PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING!! The information that is about to be presented to you requires a great deal of relinquishment of Hard Numbers: The Economy assumptions. The information to follow is 95% accurate according to all I have seen and learned Is Much Worse Than You through my years as an Illuminon. Therefore, I ask that all who continue further, to set aside any assumptions Know! they may have. Or for that matter of fact the countless Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 10, flags: 36, slanderous remarks made about the organization; replies: 213 some are indeed true, many are not. So please www.tampabay.com proceed with as much open mindedness and "Numbers that crunch inquisitiveness that one can muster. As a forewarning The real numbers, to most economically minded which no doubt will be seen as a sort of chink in the Americans, would be a face full of cold water. Based armor; I cannot answer all questions asked. on the criteria in place a quarter century ago, today's Specifically about: our “true” origins, current/past U.S. unemployment rate is somewhere between 9 members, locations of several specific operational percent and 12 percent; the inflation rate is as high as locations, and a very small handful of which I will not 7 or even 10 percent; economic growth since the entertain. In entertaining these types of questions I not recession of 2001 has been mediocre, despite a huge only risk the successfulness of our cause, but the very surge in the wealth and incomes of the superrich, and survival of the organization’s members. Why? Please we are falling back into recession. read on. Undermeasurement of inflation, in particular, hangs BACKGROUND INFORMATION over our heads like a guillotine. To acknowledge it Note: To those who have read through my previous would send interest rates climbing, and thereby would posting it will be inherently familiar. I have taken

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 27 of 40 previous posts and done some splicing to make them into one long description of our organization. I have War Profits Taint The Greedy also taken the liberty to make a few corrections in terminology given the opportunity, a few where simply Hands Of More Than 25% Of outdated. Who are the Illuminati? Members Of The U.S. House Unfortunately this question has reverberated through and across time itself; with not only the question but and Senate! the answer itself being lost to the tides of time. The Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 8, flags: 34, Bavarian Illuminati were a group of intellectually gifted replies: 36 individuals seeking a better way of life in all. After www.globalresearch.ca gathering a great deal of members it suffered both "Conflict makes money for the military industrial external and internal threats, shredding it to pieces complex, and the cronies they place in Congress, the from within. It is fully known that several traitors fed Senate, and the White House. information to the authorities thus ushering in the An investigation by Ralph Forbes from American Free Bavarian Siege. And in turn ending the Bavarian press reported on May 05, 2008 that more than a Illuminati, but it would most certainly not be the last quarter of US senators and congressmen have time the name “Illuminati” met the lips of any man. invested at least $196 million of their own money in True Form companies doing business with the Department of The "Illuminati" as most people see it is an archaic and Defense (DoD) that profit from the death and in most cases dark, devious entity, whose ultimate destruction in Iraq [1]. goal is ubiquitous control of commerce and the The report also edifies that 151 members of congress populous in whole. This notion is derived from two invested close to a quarter-billion dollars in companies sources; "historical" evidence, and that of slanted/ that received defense contracts of at least $5 million in jaded testimonies. One must come to understand the 2006. These companies got more than 275.6 billion "true nature" of the "definition" of Illuminati before from the government in 2006, or $755 million per day, reasonable conclusions can be drawn, any according to Fedspending.org [2]. In 2004, the first full preconceived notions assumed about the entity in year after the current Iraq war began, Republican and whole would as a result, be in its most entirety; Democratic lawmakers-both hawks and doves inaccurate. The Illuminati does not exist as many think invested between $74.9 million and 161.3 million in it to, it is not one all powerful "secret society," and is in companies under contract with the DoD [1]. No wonder no way "unified." To aptly state the Illuminati exist in the Democratic congress kept approving the enormous many pieces, with many doctrines, many opinions, spending bills on the war, since a significant portion of many points of view, and many good and ill intentioned it happens to end up in their deep pockets. people. Once one identifies the great deal of diversity "(visit the link for the full news article) between these multiple “Illuminati” organizations, does mod edit: spelling in title :) the "whole picture" become more clear, and apparent. [edit on 8-5-2008 by DontTreadOnMe] The “Illuminati” exist today in two entities (this is at Link to thread: ...thread354019/pg1 least how we identify them) ‘Shards,” and “Remnants.” Shards Those whom have descended from the Icelandic Shard are considered “Illuminons” whom belong to a Nader calls U. S. "corporate particular global “Shard.” The eternal “duty” of the Shards is to maintain “global stability” at any personal fascism" cost. All in an effort to help usher in an era of global Created by: budski on May 14, flags: 34, replies: 53 peace and unity. We have come to learn that in due www.opednews.com time humanity will find enlightenment and in it, a new "Independent candidate for President Ralph Nader era will emerge. We are the stewards of this described the current government and economic movement, nothing more, nothing less. system of the United States as "corporate fascism" at Link to thread: ...thread353057/pg1 a campaign event held in Berkeley on May 12. "We're living in a country whose democracy is beyond the breaking point. The extent of corporate control has developed into corporate fascism," declared Nader. "We don't have a capitalist economic system - it's corporate fascism. Every major tenet of capitalism is

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 28 of 40 violated by corporate power," said Nader. Only small businesses still practice capitalism, according to (Video) Scientific Proof Of Nader. Nader explained that major corporations buy Alien Visitation politicians and write the laws through their lobbyists, Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 26, flags: 32, thus owning the Capitol. They receive billions in replies: 69 government subsidies and hand-outs, but 68 percent (isit the thread to view linked videos) of corporations pay no federal income tax, according I'm actually suprised that Dr. leir's removals of Alien to Nader. Implants don't get more coverage here. Now whether Corporate fascism not only rules U. S. politics and the one believes these are truly implants or tracking economy, but also other aspects of life including the devices or not, Dr. Leir does raise some questions that way people think, said Nader. "We grow up corporate should at least have people slightly scratching their with commercialized childhoods. We get a corporate head as to these mysterious object's commonalities: education.""(visit the link for the full news article) 1. No visible entry points or scars near the object. How Link to thread: ...thread355341/pg1 did it get into the subject? 2. No INFLAMMATORY response! This, by most medical standards is supposed to be an impossibility. Earthquake of a magnitude Any foreign body that is lodged in the dermal or soft tissue should invoke an inflammatory response in the 7.8 reported in China *UPDATE* surrounding tissue-Yet these foreign objects appear to create no such response and appear to be accepted 'to top 50,000' killed by the surrounding tissue. Created by: jhill76 on May 12, flags: 33, replies: 427 3. The objects are "sheathed" in a thick amount of " BEIJING (Reuters) - An earthquake with a magnitude "nerve propioreceptors" which are not anatomically of 7.8 struck China's Sichuan province on Monday, correct, according to the Dr. less than 100 km (60 miles) from the provincial capital 4. Metallurgic Testing by both Los Alamos and New of Chengdu, the U.S. Geological Survey said on its Mexico Tech Labs indicated that the extracted bodies Web site. contained a highly unusual configuration of elements, The tremor, centered 92 km northwest of Chengdu, similar to rare meteorite samples! Further electron was felt as far away as Beijing and Shanghai, where microscope scanning indicated that these objects were office buildings swayed with the impact."(visit the link manufactured, and not naturally occuring meteorite for the full news article) material. [edit on 12-5-2008 by jhill76] 5. Results indicated that the objects had been [edit on 13-5-2008 by asala] connected, or fused to the subjects nerve endings. [edit on 15/5/2008 by khunmoon] Link to thread: ...thread358217/pg1 Link to thread: ...thread354752/pg1 Becoming a Detective of (Video): Olberman Rant on Conspiracy Theories Bush's 'Golf Sacrifice' to dead Created by: SpartanKingLeonidas on May 22, flags: 31, replies: 28 troops To have knowledge of being a detective, first one must go to school for detectives, and it is much cheaper as Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 15, flags: 33, replies: 90 well easier than you would think. You can go to a six (isit the thread to view linked videos) week course for as little as $500 and gain a Worldwide [edit on 15-5-2008 by DimensionalDetective] Affiliation that you can use to study "skip tracing", [edit on 15-5-2008 by DimensionalDetective] tracking humans through various sources, presenting Link to thread: ...thread355669/pg1 material intelligence to a client along with many other fascinating avenues of study. One could link this as well to making a Government Watch Group, to make sure that things are going according to plan in Government and that we as citizens have full disclosure and transparency in

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Government like we are Constitutionally provided with the back-up against Government corruption as well as Sites like ATS are monitored the accountability level we as citizens demand of the White House, Senate, and the U.S. House of by an analyst and assigned a Representatives as well as Law Enforcement. This would in essence become like “Tracking Carlos threat level the Jackal” before he was to strike in that before Created by: jhill76 on May 25, flags: 31, replies: 312 Government can elude the average citizen through the As you may know, there are guys that sit in a room all many loopholes of corruption that they often do we as day and monitor news networks, blogs, websites, etc. the United States citizens, being John Q Public must looking for any kind of trace of a terriost attack. know everything the people who serve our interests Also, there are guys on the domestic side that lurk are doing at all times. To utilize the ability of all things around the internet monitoring sites like ATS just control-mechanism to hold accountability to the looking for any kind of uprising, threats, etc. A lot of highest standards so that even those writing the laws people on ATS believe that if you write something, that govern society have no other choice but to obey black suits are going to immediately knock on your the laws both open and disclosed to the public at all door. No, this does not happen. First and foremost times their actions as well as their intentions at all your name and all the information surrounding your times. post, blog, etc are put into a database and is tagged I am talking to you here on ATS today about keeping with a threat level. If your threat level is high enough the Government in check like it was originally then your files moves up the chain and a senior supposed to be when the Founding Fathers wrote the analyst takes over. Constitution after deciding to take “The Colonies” from Actually people who monitor these sites are not even a the tyrant King George of England being that the special agents, just analysts. If your threat is severe colonists were sick and tired of a tyrant and enough then you are looked at a little more. But again, demagogue sitting on his thrown demanding unfair agents are not just going to come kicking down your treatment through “Taxation Without Representation” door. These guys are good. They are going to look at where the freedom loving people America, the new your previous posts, read a little about you on your bio. world, desired only to make taxes regulated to some So in essence, if you are always talking about how you extent so that all people were created equal when it love Bush and love his administration and then rant comes to taxes where one man was taxed no more one of his policies, you are not going to be looked at. than another as well as the rich not being able to keep But, if all of your posts deal with anti-Bush then you more money than was fair when often destitute people best believe you are tagged. were starving and had to resort to begging as well as Then there is more to it than that. Then of course you other menial tasks just to struggle to survive. This of have your analysts that are going to post like a normal course eventually led to the Boston Tea Party where person and ask you certain questions. Not directly colonists dressed as Native Americans and tossed all though, but indirectly. They will agree with you and of the tea into Boston Harbor to get their point across gain your confidence and they might ask: Man, to the tyrant King George during the Revolutionary wouldn't it be nice if Bush was taken out. If you agree, War. you have answered his question. But, the whole time If you're interested in this thread keep tracking it and you are thinking this person is just Joe Blow off the save it on your subscribed threads area, as I will walk street, but, this person is actually an analysts that is you through the entire process over the next week inputting all of this information into a database. after I see the kind of responses and or other I will use ATS as an example. An analyst spends years information other people ask questions about. No, I am on ATS gaining its trust and becoming a contributing not recruiting anyone to do this with Me, I am however member. This person will post like he disagrees with serious about doing this for Myself and am planning on the government and all the good stuff, but, this is just a doing it, so I felt the offer of research information to front, to gain confidence and not be seen as working pass on the ATS was well worth the effort of this for the other side. This person will have a lot of points thread. and maybe a few credentials, like a moderator. Most Do not forget to flag, star, and thread-tag it as well, people, would believe that the site owners are in on please if you like it. this, but no, this person will just start like a regular [edit on 22-5-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas] member and no one else knows the real intent of this Link to thread: ...thread357325/pg1 person, but the analyst. People worry about people who sign up the day before and start disagreeing with them and they say they are

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 30 of 40 a disinfo agent. But, I would more worry about seasoned members, than someone who signed up Enormous Comet Hits SUN? yesterday; these guys are trained by the best. Just trying to shed some light on the intelligence (major coronal ejection) community. [edit on 25-5-2008 by jhill76] SOHO Video Links Link to thread: ...thread358013/pg1 Created by: JohnnyAnonymous on May 26, flags: 29, replies: 70 Please keep in mind that every 34 hours the UFO over Germany "current_c" series of mpegs are updated to include Created by: blueray on May 11, flags: 29, replies: 198 that (or the following) days visual data.. So obviously Hello Guys, anyone clicking on these links a week after this post I was having an evening meal with friends (Cologne, will look different.. So if you want the small mpegs, you Germany) at the 10th of May this year. Suddenly my better get them now.. I've already archived mine. And sister noticed an object flying over us at a huge speed with that said... (to fast for a balloon) and emiting no sound. The object I've been a big SOHO fan. Being able to view flew in a straight line past us. After that object had moments of almost current time snapshots of our SUN passed, another object followed it. This happened until has been extremely interesting to me for many years. about 7 objects had passed us. Then, all of the objects But starting on the 21st I observed an object not met together and therefore decreased speed. following the same trajectory as the stars. But by the Suddenly, all of them flew out of sight due to a sudden end of the 22nd and the beginning of the 23rd of May, burst of high acceleration. it became evident that this was a comet of great size Luckily, a friend was able to shoot some pictures. and mass. Here is the link for the original raw files (36 pics): It turns out that this huge comet was a part of the and here is a link for a few sample jpeg's (about 5): Kreutz sungrazer family. Named after a 19th century I hope this is helpfull. astronomer from Germany who studied them with Regards, great interest, these fragments are from the breakup of Peter Klein a giant comet from almost 2000 years ago. Link to thread: ...thread354592/pg1 Your also going to see a huge enormous mass coronal ejection. Which is curious as the comet was at least a million kilometers above the surface of the sun at the time and there is no known mechanism for a comet to US residents in military trigger such a magnetic explosion. Maybe some of you have an idea why the Sun reacted as it did without the brigs? Govt says it's war Comet actually hitting it. Created by: jasonjnelson on May 24, flags: 29, replies: 101 I could go on and on, (like why didn't we hear about news.yahoo.com this on even the smaller-market MSM), but I know you "To justify holding him, the government claimed a guys just want the links so you can view it for yourself.. broad interpretation of the president's wartime powers, Enjoy, it's very intriguing and may not be duplicated one that goes beyond warrantless wiretapping or again for us to see for many, many years! monitoring banking transactions. Government lawyers "First watch this video" told federal judges that the president can send the "Now watch this one" military into any U.S. neighborhood, capture a citizen I'm purposely only showing the very beginning frame and hold him in prison without charge, indefinitely. of the comet being captured so you'll know where to There is little middle ground between the two sides in look. To be really amazed at the size of this comet, al-Marri's case, which is before a federal appeals court you'll need to get the small mpegs for full effect. Don't in Virginia. "(visit the link for the full news article) judge the videos by this very first frame I posted from Link to thread: ...thread357753/pg1 when I first saw it... As soon as I get mine uploaded, then those of you that didn't catch it from the NASA site will still have an opportunity to.. But be patient with me.. I have a lot on my table (so I might need a U2U to remind me..lol). Link to thread: ...thread358092/pg1

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o’clock. He was on the hunt for silver; several other Alien moon, 3 part video geologists had discovered veins of quartz which Created by: Daniem on May 30, flags: 29, replies: 70 promised a good haul of the precious metal. Michalak Found a 3 part documentary called: Alien moon. It found a vein of quartz in a marshy area near a stream, claims that the moon is crawling with aliens. ate lunch, and had gone back to inspecting the 1) Why NASA Never Returned To The Moon minerals when he was startled by the sound of geese 2) The UFOs Seen On The Moon flying overhead. Looking up to watch them fly, he was 3) Spherical UFOs and Flying Serpents even more startled to see two large, “red, cigar- Link to thread: ...thread359292/pg1 shaped” spacecraft with “bumps on them” descending out of the clear blue sky at a roughly 45 degree angle. As he watched, one of the objects stopped and hovered, while the other one descended and landed Betrayal of Trust - cant come on a large, flat rock about 160 feet away from him. After a few moments the object still in the air departed, back from treason changing from red to orange to grey as it flew into the Created by: 888LetsRoll on May 8, flags: 28, replies: 50 west and disappeared behind the clouds. This is from Black Box Voting: (visit the thread to view linked images) You say the system is broke... It is - it has never "The object on the ground also turned from red to grey worked, but it was a good feeling to be an American. and finally to the color of "hot stainless steel" Now we have to turn the dream into reality - its surrounded by a golden-hued glow. He had been impossible... wearing welding goggles while chipping at the quartz 2 hours of pure blood boiling treason.... to protect his eyes from flying rock fragments, and now Link to thread: ...thread354002/pg1 they served the additional purpose of protecting his eyes from a brilliant purple light that was shining through openings in the object's exterior. The object Chem-trail Plane was making a hissing sound and a whirring noise, and it gave off a sulphurous smell. " Photographed on the For several minutes, Michalak stayed where he was and sketched the object. After about half an hour, a ground? door opened in the side of the object, revealing a Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 11, flags: 28, lighted interior. Michalak decided to move closer, and replies: 225 when he was approximately sixty feet away from the Found this one this morning. Photos were taken by a object, he began to hear two voices over the other pilot in Quebec, Canada. Ted Tweitmeyer does an sounds coming from the object. analysis on the set-up. Pretty bizarre looking IMO... (visit the thread to view linked images) Thoughts? Believing that the object was a secret experimental Link to thread: ...thread354676/pg1 American craft of some sort, Michalak called out in English. There was no response, so he tried Russian, German, Italian, French, Ukrainian, and then English again. There was still no response. Get to close and you`ll get " Summoning his nerve, Michalak approached the open door and stuck his head inside. There he saw a burned!!!!!! maze of lights on what appeared to be a panel, and Created by: GUNSINWAR on May 15, flags: 28, replies: 72 beams of light in horizontal and diagonal patterns. Very interesting ufo encounter by Stefan Michalak: There was also a cluster of lights flashing in a random (visit the thread to view linked images) sequence "like on a computer." Not seeing anyone, he Canadian Stephen Michalak of Winnipeg, a mechanic pulled back and waited. by trade, decided to do some prospecting in the Suddenly, three panels slid together, closing the Whiteshell Provincial Park .Michalak was an amateur opening completely. Michalak then examined the outer geologist and had been prospecting in the area many surface of the object, noting that it was like highly times. Others had found several quartz veins near polished colored glass with no breaks or seams in its Falcon Lake that were associated with silver deposits, surface. He touched it, and it melted his glove. " and Michalak had himself found a few promising sites. The door, much to his surprise, suddenly snapped That morning The date was 20 May, 1967, Michalak shut. Three pieces folded down “like a camera shutter” had left his motel and arrived at the park around 9 to seal it, and the flying saucer took a sort of funny

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 32 of 40 little hop. Instead of the door, Michalak was now looking at some sort of rectangular grate, with evenly UFO sighting Finland, spaced round holes. A blast of hot gas came out of the vent, setting his shirt and hat on fire and burning him 12.5.2008 broke to news badly, and so he stamped it out. Created by: Forell on May 22, flags: 28, replies: 234 (visit the thread to view linked images) my UFO sighting in FINLAND 12.5.2008 just broke to "The spot where the object had landed looked as if it the local newspaper. had been swept clean, but piled up in a 15 foot circle Nespaperlink: was a collection of pine needles, dirt and leaves. As he I have a fresh unbeliveable sighting just last week and looked around, he developed a severe headache, i managed to video tape some of it with my cellphone. became nauseous, and broke out in a cold sweat. The footage is a bit crappy but the sighting was His nausea became worse, and he soon vomited. He amazing and it maybe the only videotaped one in my decided to head back to the motel, and on the way country. Theres a lot of conversation and investigation back he had to stop several times because of going on right now about this. vomiting.Finally, after asking for help from a passing Heres my story. RCMP officer and being refused, he reached the I was at my home when i noticed something coming motel. At 4:00 p.m., he entered the coffee shop and down from the sky above a lake thats nearby my asked where he could find a doctor. He was told that house. This pulsating disklike "thing" came slowly the nearest doctor was in Kenora, Ontario, 45 miles down to the treeline and started moving around slowly. east of Falcon Lake. Somethimes it was completely stationary and shining Michalak decided to return to Winnipeg rather than go through the trees. The light and the brightness was into Ontario. The next bus to Winnipeg didn't come unbeliveable. it messed up my cellphones zoom through until around 8:45 p.m., so he went to his room completely. It was kind of twinkling and pulsating like a and called his wife. He told her not to worry, but that star as it moved around, but it was big, and it was he had had an accident and to send their son to meet above this lake behind the treeline. The sighting lasted him at the bus terminal. for about 5 to 10 minutes. As i ran to the lake there He got to Winnipeg at around 10:15 p.m., and his son was nothing. But while going there, it was still flashing immediately took him to the Misericordia Hospital, through the trees. where his headache and nausea were treated and the Meteor/star scientists investigated 3 of my videos and curious burn marks on his chest in the shape of a grid they concluded there were no meteors/firexxxxx at the were noted." place and time. They didnt have any other explanation (visit the thread to view linked images)(isit the thread to than a reflection of something natural etc... So the view linked videos) videos went to the ufo investigators and the (isit the thread to view linked videos) investigation is still going on and developping right A report completed by the Royal Canadian mounted now. I never seen anything like this before and maybe police. never will. I was in complete shock for the first few (visit the thread to view linked images) days. Just amazing sight. Now here is a very interesting pictures i recieved: Heres one of the videos as the object moved around (visit the thread to view linked images)"Tavernes, behind the trees: France, 1974. A classic French UFO picture. Heres some still pics so you can see how the thing Photographed by a French medical doctor that was pulsating: remained anonymous on March 23, 1974 in Tavernes The area of my sighting: in the department in Var, during a major UFO flap over Thanks for listening, France" Forell. (visit the thread to view linked images) [edit on 22-5-2008 by Forell] Any comments or other info please, you are welcome! Link to thread: ...thread357265/pg1 REFERENCES: Link to thread: ...thread355608/pg1

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Nikola Tesla : First Contact Clinton Just Made The Most With Alien Intelligence Politically Detrimental Created by: Buck Division on May 14, flags: 27, replies: 103 Statement About R.F.K., I was watching the History Channel a few minutes ago. They were featuring the work of Nikola Tesla. I think Assassination, and Obama? they framed the discussion correctly when they stated Created by: SpartanKingLeonidas on May 24, flags: 27, no single human has had a more profound influence replies: 73 on human existence. Clinton's Comment, Commented On By Keith (Among his more obvious contributions: Tesla invented Olbermann AC power. Anyone who has studied electrical (isit the thread to view linked videos) engineering will understand how profound, and Okay, so for those of you who follow conspiracy unobvious, an idea like Alternating Current really is.) theories, and want to know the next one before it I just did some research, and found a site with happens, I've got a wild one for you. I was discussing selected works of Tesla, written at the turn of the 20th that state of the world last night with someone locally, century. Quite a bit of amazing work! I was astounded sitting with our cars side by side, and we were by this article he wrote in 1901, in a paper "Talking shooting the breeze. We talked for over an hour, but With Planets". he made a comment about something that just hit Me " like a ton of bricks. As I was improving my machines for the production of ""I just had the idea hit me the other day, that intense electrical actions, I was also perfecting the something really big will happen within the next six means for observing feeble effects. It was in carrying months, and I don't know why."" on this work that for the first time I discovered those For his protection, I'm not naming him. The thing is mysterious effects which have elicited such unusual after him making that statement to Me, I began asking interest. him a serious of "conspiracy theory detective" The changes I noted were taking place periodically, questions because I wanted to get to the bottom of it and with such a clear suggestion of number and order and help him figure it out. That's just the kind of guy I that they were not traceable to any cause then known am, protect those who would rather be anonymous. If to me. I was familiar, of course, with such electrical you follow the link there about the conspiracy theory disturbances as are produced by the sun, Aurora detective, it will lead you to a project/thread I began a Borealis and earth currents, and I was as sure as I few days ago, and I will be adding other links within could be of any fact that these variations were due to this thread, you will need to follow to get the whole none of these causes. story. It was some time afterward when the thought flashed So, after a serious of questions, the guy mentions upon my mind that the disturbances I had observed having shown a few YouTube videos to someone, might be due to an intelligent control. Although I could specifically the September 11th event that all not decipher their meaning, it was impossible for me to conspiracy theorists are tearing up ATS about, as well think of them as having been entirely accidental. The as the assassination of J.F.K., and then he asked Me if feeling is constantly growing on me that I had been the I had heard about the Clinton comment. I was first to hear the greeting of one planet to another. scratching My head on that but asked him a few " questions, and he mentioned about Clinton making a This was in 1901, when Tesla was at the height of huge cultural and political no-no in mentioning the intellectual power. As far as I can tell, he didn't R.F.K. assassination along with talking about it in document the device he said was the "means for conjunction with her political rival Senator Barak observing feeble effects". What could he have been Hussein Obama. I had not heard about the story as I referring to, and was was this device? had been working all day yesterday, as well as being # too busy posting on ATS elsewhere about Verichip So -- not exactly breaking news. But I thought this was Corporation - Biochip Stock - E*Trade and thinking so interesting I wanted to share it. about this thread The Current MK-ULTRA, Link to thread: ...thread355527/pg1 Blackwater, and the Complicit Assistance of All- Seeing Government Agencies... as well as remembering this thread Blackwater : Right-Wing Conservative America, Whether You Like It Or

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Not... where I have literally been tearing up ATS with a President of the United States of America through the lot of flags, stars, and thread tags. contorversy of a female stepping into power since So, in asking him questions we both were talking Clinton essentially invoked the "assassination plot" about the state of the world and I explained to him the with her critically insensitve words. mindset of how a conspiracy theory works and what If you've read My Blackwater thread, the detective the conspiracy makers, being the people who pull the one, or the potential MK-Ultra one, you will see that I strings to make them happen. In the conspiracy theory mention the word and name of an organization called world, most of you ATS'ers know that for the slave "Greystone" which is Blackwater sliding off to the side masters plans to work, they need to induce a world and opening a new company in Barbados. This is cataclysmic event like 9/11, Oklahoma City Bombing, where the black and white become grey for society, in or J.F.K. assassination, so that everything after the that the potential assassination of Obama and the event will both be cast into the four corners of the wind stepping up of Clinton will draw the clear vision of the to change the whole system at once. Essentially said, world into a grey fog similar to the fog of war, and it "entertraining" the mind's eye of society all at once. could happen in reverse where Clinton gets the I use the word "entertrain" there, a word I have made nomination and Obama is her running mate, who up unknowing whether it's a real word or not, but I'll knows, I'm doing a wild speculative thread here, so define it here. I wrote the following on paper when I anything goes. found the time and was away from internet availibility. Right here where I began typing this sentence, I had " 2012 characters left to go in this 8000 character post Enter - To Walk Through on this thread. Spooky, huh? :lol: Train - To Teach Through Varying Sources, Okay, so for the conspiring idiots in Washigton DC as Experiences, and Methods well as whoever the seven men who control the world It follows that the use of the word here of banking system to ultimately retain the ultimate control "entertrainment" is what I am referring to as a different they have to solidify the black and white lines of way to see and understand the use of marketing society into the grey so as to make it so that through the use of brainwashing through the use of the everything in the world will drive into a state of media as a medium to utilize the people's mind as madness where everyone turns on everyone, their own staging ground by the "powers that be" to essentially said turning the world on it's collective make free thinkers the target through a similar tactic behind and driving the world psychically mad and into that Senator Joseph McCarthy used called the "Red a state where everything you all know and love and Scare." hold dear into mass confusion. I will teach you here a few ways to see through the [edit on 24-5-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas] hype into the "Man Behind The Curtain" in this sad Link to thread: ...thread357697/pg1 "Wizard of Oz" effect that in constantly used to subjugate people in society to willingly give up their freedoms and control of their lives." Kinross Ufo crash..could it That's a part of what I wrote not to long back with pen and paper. What I began this thread about though is still be there?? the upcoming events that I have come to understand Created by: GUNSINWAR on May 26, flags: 27, replies: 38 are a distinct possibility of happening because of (visit the thread to view linked images)On November Senator Hillary Clinton's insensitive remarks two 23, 1953, a US Air Force F-89C jet fighter interceptor weeks before the 40 year anniversary of R.F.K.'s was dispatched from Kinross Air Force Base near assassination. Here's where the lines are going to get Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, to identify an intruder that fuzzy with what I am saying as well as the lines for had appeared on radar. For thirty minutes, the jet humanity through this upcoming conspiracy where I raced out over Lake Superior under guidance from feel because of Hillary's idiotic comment will cause the radar operators at a remote station on the Keweenaw entire Summer to have all kinds of debating and may Peninsula. end up with the Democratic nomination be passed to Suddenly, the return from the jet merged with that of Senator Barak Hussein Obama, and the Democratic the bogie it was chasing. The IFF (Identification Friend Party to make Senator Hillary Clinton become or Foe) signal from the jet was lost. The radar blip from Obama's running mate as a Vice President. This would the F-89 never reappeared.Radar blips of the aircraft be the "black and white" of it where the mix of both the and the UFO "merged" on the screen and the F-89 interacial as well as issue of a "Black President" and a and its two-man crew were never found. "White Female Vice President" might lead to an The F-89 assassination and a power struggle for the office of the (visit the thread to view linked images)

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General characteristics "The Air Force later stated that the "UFO" turned out to Crew: 2 be a Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) C-47 "On a Length: 53 ft 10 in (16.4 m) night flight from Winnipeg, Manitoba, to Sudbury, Wingspan: 60 ft 5 in (18.4 m) Ontario Canada." The F-89 apparently had crashed for Height: 17 ft 6 in (5.3 m) unknown reasons after breaking off the intercept. In Wing area: 606 ft² (56.3 m²) answer to queries from the NATIONAL Empty weight: 24,200 lb (11,000 kg) INVESTIGATIONS COMMITTEE ON AERIAL Loaded weight: 42,250 lb (19,200 kg) PHENOMENA (NICAP) in 1961 and again in 1963, Max takeoff weight: 46,800 lb (21,200 kg) RCAF spokesmen denied that one of their planes was Powerplant: 2× Allison J35-A-35A afterburning involved. Squadron Leader W. B. Totman, noting that turbojets the C-47 was said to be on a flight plan over Canadian Dry thrust: 5,600 lbf (24.9 kN) each territory, said "... this alone would seem to make such Thrust with afterburner: 7,400 lbf (32.9 kN) an intercept unlikely." " (visit the thread to view linked images) Till this day the F-89, has never been found! but wait! Performance Amazing new photos have been released by The Maximum speed: 636 mph (553 knots, 1,020 km/h) Great Lakes Dive Company concerning their discovery Range: 1,367 mi (1,188 nm, 2,200 km) of the famous Kinross F-89 Scorpion jet fighter that Service ceiling 49,200 ft (15,000 m) disappeared over Lake Superior on November 23, Rate of climb: 8,360 ft/min (42.5 m/s) 1953. Wing loading: 69.7 lb/ft² (340.4 kg/m²) (visit the thread to view linked images) Thrust/weight: 0.35 (3.4 N/kg) "Radar information and the original search grid were Last position of impact! available as to where the F-89 was believed to have (visit the thread to view linked images) gone down, so the company had area to investigate. (visit the thread to view linked images) They had just begun searching the area, using the Start Position and Time new wide trajectory side scan sonar, and on their first The start position for the flight was Kinross Air Base at pass located an object on the bottom. It was a plane 18:22 EST. and the scans proved it was a F-89. The port (left) End Position and Time wing was missing, probably sheared off as well as a The end position for the F-89 when its return "merged" piece of the rear tail wing. The starboard (right) wing with its intercept target was 4800 N and 8649 W. The was partially buried, due to the crash or the gradual time the F-89 return merged with the target on radar is build up of silt over the years." 18:55 EST. Further evidence was uncovered using Hi Res scans Initial Bearing which show that the canopy and the fuselage of the The initial bearing for the F-89 was 300 degrees aircraft were intact. The groups took a total of 28 magnetic. Given magnetic declination of 1 degree 30 passes over the area, but were unsuccessful in finding seconds west, the actual initial bearing would be the missing wing and tail section. "We have not been 298.30T. able to confirm that the bodies of the two pilots are Final Turn and Bearing inside the aircraft", explained Adam Jimenez, The final bearing provided by GCI to the F-89 was a spokesman for the company ,"but with the canopy starboard turn to 20 degrees magnetic (18.30T) at intact, one would assume that would be the case. 18:51 EST. However, the ROV survey would tell the tale." Previous to Final Turn and Bearing "< Jimenez stated, "We have confirmed the identity of The previous to final turn was a port turn to 270 the F-89 using several techniques. First, the general degrees magnetic (268.30T) at 18:47 EST. design of the aircraft is a complete match. Our scan Pigeons to Home Plate shows an upswept tail section which is a design "Pigeons to Home Plate" was requested by the pilot characteristic of only the F-89 (hence the model name about 18:50 EST. This was a request for a return "Scorpion"). Second, this aircraft has a wing pod. Also bearing and distance to home base and was provided a design match to the F-89. Also the canopy location is by GCI as "150 - 125 miles". a match. There are also other exact matches that I "A large scale search was immediately launched. Its can't go into at this time. There were no other F-89s or important to note that the aircraft was lost in late similar aircraft lost over the middle of Lake Superior."" November and although the weather was stable, it was Initially, the object appeared to be large and almost winter, snow covered the ground and the water of Lake tear-drop in shape. It was only 212.5 feet from the Superior was freezing." F89! Jimenez added, "But the scan showed something (visit the thread to view linked images) very interesting...a plow mark trailing behind the object

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(as if it had crashed). This plow mark caused us to focus our immediate attention on the object, we Attention Artists and lowered our ROV (remotely operated vehicle) to it and confirmed that the mystery object was metallic, and Musicians!! (The Orphan also had a strike mark that matched the missing wing hole on the F-89c Scorpion. It is possible that the works Bill) missing wing may be underneath the mystery object. Created by: zysin5 on May 26, flags: 26, replies: 53 (visit the thread to view linked images)Low resoluton How You May Lose All the Rights to Every Piece of Art photo. You Have Ever made and created! This is a must (visit the thread to view linked images)Blue - Trail from watch! object as it crashed CORPORATE THEFT - THE ORPHAN WORKS BILL Red - Object view from front (isit the thread to view linked videos) Yellow - Pushed lake bottom from impact YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS because you are Black Box - Protects GPS and depth data about to lose your copyright protection. Every one of (visit the thread to view linked images)High resoluton you needs to stand up and be heard in order to protect photo. what we have all created. (visit the thread to view linked images)Blue - Trial that As an artist and musician this is something we must object left when crashing keep an eye upon! Red - Object partially buried This is within congress right now! And could serve to Yellow - Pushed up bottom sand from plowing of steal all of our lives work in a single stroke of a pen! object Im hoping to bring awareness to ATS here with this Black Box - Protects GPS and depth data most imporant video. REFERENCES: I know we have plenty of artists on here, and many Let me know waht you think~!! writters.. Everything we post online would be up for Link to thread: ...thread358078/pg1 grabs unless you want to pay to keep what you create. The 2008 Orphan Works Act has been released to Congress, S 2913 The Shawn Bentley Orphan Works Predicting a huge earthquake Act of 2008. Link to thread: ...thread358200/pg1 in June 2008 Created by: nexusmagazine on May 6, flags: 26, replies: 318 Britain releases batch of files I am passing this on - I wanted to put it on the record, in case the sources were correct. on UFO sightings A huge earthquake (over 9.5 Richter scale) is Created by: jasonjnelson on May 13, flags: 25, replies: 42 predicted for around mid-June this year (2008) - news.yahoo.com centred off the coast of China. It is predicted that a " tsunami of 50m (I think) will race inland causing "Everyone became aware that the object was unimaginable damage. It will result in the Olympic unidentified," their report said. "SATCO (code name for Games being cancelled. The margin of error for the a controller with 14 years experience) reports that the time is +/- 2 weeks, meaning it could be anytime in object came in 'at speed,' made a touch and go on June. runway 27, then departed at 'terrific speed' in a 'near Link to thread: ...thread353645/pg1 vertical' climb." The incident is one of the more credible in the newly public files because it was reported by air traffic controllers, said David Clarke, a UFO expert who worked with the National Archives on the document release. "They were absolutely astonished," he said. "It was a bright, circular object, flashing different colors, and after it touched down it disappeared at fantastic speed. The report comes from very qualified people, and it's one of the few that remained unexplained."The incident is one of hundreds of reported sightings

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 37 of 40 contained in more than 1,000 pages of formerly secret UFO documents being released Wednesday by DC Madam commits suicide Britain's National Archives. It is one of the few that was never explained."(visit the link for the full news article) in Tarpon Springs [Madam [edit on 13-5-2008 by jasonjnelson] Link to thread: ...thread355235/pg1 List pg 2] Created by: BluByWho on May 1, flags: 24, replies: 131 www.myfoxtampabay.com Questions to an Occultist "TARPON SPRINGS - Police were called to the home Created by: The Soldier Of Darkness on May 24, flags: 25, of DC Madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey's mother on replies: 338 Thursday to investigate her apparent suicide."(visit the Hi, link for the full news article) Some of you have requested I start a thread on [edit: fixed link] Occultism, as some have questions, I am glad to do [edit on 1-5-2008 by 12m8keall2c] this, and hopefully help some of you with any [edit to add on subject] questions you might have. [edit on 1-5-2008 by ADVISOR] I am a High Magi 3rd Degree Occultist, I belong to a Link to thread: ...thread352556/pg1 group here in Melbourne, and as some have speculated, no, I do not belong to the Temple of Set, however we share similar beliefs. Iran rejects nuclear My main studies include the use of High, and Low Magick, and have recently started with Chaos Magick. inspections unless Israel I also work with Spirits, and Entities, and also have a Spiritual Guide I communicate with. allows them Please feel free to ask any questions you might Created by: Karlhungis on May 6, flags: 24, replies: 105 have.... news.yahoo.com Link to thread: ...thread357774/pg1 "GENEVA - An Iranian envoy said Monday his government will not submit to extensive nuclear inspections while Israel stays outside the global treaty Exclusive: McClellan whacks to curb the spread of atomic weapons. ADVERTISEMENT Bush, White House Bush "The existing double standard shall not be tolerated anymore by non-nuclear-weapon states," Ambassador relied on "propaganda" to Ali Asghar Soltanieh told a meeting of the 190 countries that have signed the Nuclear sell the war. Nonproliferation Treaty. Created by: mybigunit on May 27, flags: 25, replies: 143 "(visit the link for the full news article) www.politico.com Link to thread: ...thread353440/pg1 "Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan writes in a surprisingly scathing memoir to be published next week that President Bush “veered Why are we terrified of the terribly off course,” was not “open and forthright on Iraq,” and took a “permanent campaign approach” to Grays? governing at the expense of candor and competence. Created by: Mr Green on May 17, flags: 24, replies: 1084 Among the most explosive revelations in the 341-page Why are we terrified of the Grays? Why am I terrified book, titled “What Happened: Inside the Bush White of them? House and Washington’s Culture of Deception” (Public I have never knowingly seen a Gray or looked into its Affairs, $27.95): eyes yet they scare the hell out of me. I have an inbuilt • McClellan charges that Bush relied on “propaganda” fear of one abducting me or appearing before me in to sell the war. the middle of the night. • He says the White House press corps was too easy Why should this be? I cant remember ever seeing one, on the administration during the run-up to the yet if I look at a classic Gray picture it sends shivers war."(visit the link for the full news article) down my spine. Their eyes are freaky, controlling and Link to thread: ...thread358511/pg1

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 38 of 40 totally uncaring. They do not look friendly in the slightest they just look frightening. Does anyone feel like they I can take many fears head on, but this is one fear I just cant get over. I dread the night I wake up looking are constantly waiting? into those horrible dark wrap around eyes. Is it their Created by: fiftyfifty on May 27, flags: 24, replies: 221 strange white skeleton appearance? Their overly large I have had this feeling for about a year now. I am not a heads? I do not know for sure. Their eyes for me are believer in the NWO, end of the world theories, coming my main fear. alien invasions or anything like that. If I was I would I was abducted over 5 years ago but I have no understand this feeling. memory of the beings. All I remember is being dragged I am an average happy person with a full time job, up through the roof by some energy force. Then I have girlfriend, family, friends, my own flat and nothing to a vauge memory of an entity next to me doing some really worry about apart from a few financial issues. So procedure then being thrown back onto my bed with Why do I feel like I am waiting for something on a daily much force in a very uncaring way. basis? At no point do I have any memory of a Gray in all this Is it a psychological thing that needs to be addressed yet I am terrified of them. Why should we be so scared or is something big really about to happen? It is of something we dont even have proof exists? Ive no making me feel as though I am working in vain and proof say werewolfs exist either, yet Ive seen pictures that I shouldn't be wasting my time.. is this natural? of them but do not fear one waking me up one night. Is life just a big waiting room? Its as if I "know" a werewolf is probably not real but Just wondered if anyone else had this same feeling something deep down in me "knows" the Grays are and whether they had any opinions on what it may be? very real indeed. [edit on 27-5-2008 by fiftyfifty] So why as a species are we so frightened of Link to thread: ...thread358361/pg1 something we have no proof even exists? Link to thread: ...thread356075/pg1 New Phoenix Lights Hoaxer MAIN CORE: The Last Roundup Might Be Lying About Hoaxing Created by: DimensionalDetective on May 18, flags: 24, Created by: LateApexer313 on May 1, flags: 23, replies: replies: 47 193 cryptogon.com Hi All... "The U.S. Government has, almost certainly, I found this interesting little tidbit concerning the new established a database and tracking system for Phoenix lights hoax...and perhaps the hoaxer was something like eight million Americans who have been lying that he hoaxed? Read it and see what you designated as threats to national security. The system think...here's an excerpt from the source... is called MAIN CORE and it is being run under the " After hearing the hoax story, I contacted a friend who auspices of highly classified Continuity of Government lives in Phoenix. He agreed to try and reach Mailo or (COG) operations. MAIN CORE uses a variety of his neighbor. Since the article came out on Tuesday, intelligence sources as inputs, including your email, attempts to contact Lino Mailo have failed. He does web activity, telephone and private financial not answer his door and his neighbor wasn't home information. In the event of a major national security when my friend stopped by on two occasions. In fact, crisis, it is alleged that Americans listed in the MAIN people living two houses down from Mailo say that CORE database, “Could be subject to everything from they know Lino's next store neighbor and he was not heightened surveillance and tracking to direct home on Monday night. They claim they were out in questioning and possibly even detention.” their own backyard that evening and would have seen "(visit the link for the full news article) balloons with flares being launched. They also agreed Link to thread: ...thread356429/pg1 to ask him about the flare story when they next see or speak with him. " Also in this piece are some interesting views opposing the idea that the lights were indeed a string of balloons with flares attached. Also interesting is this little tidbit as well... " The FFA says that the lights did not appear on radar and weren't a threat to any air traffic, so no action was

AboveTopSecret. com Book of Threads for May, 2008 • page 39 of 40 taken. However, the FAA has issued a statement saying that they will not allow the Air Traffic Controllers to talk about what they saw. " I searched to see if anyone had posted this particular source and didn't find anything but the original thread about how the lights were an admitted hoax perpetrated by this Lino Mailo, if it indeed it was already posted, I apologize. Taken from: [edit on 1-5-2008 by LateApexer313] I found a video of the lights sighted over Phoenix...Does this video look like balloons with flares on them being moved with fishing line? You be the judge, maybe Internos will give an opinion? (isit the thread to view linked videos) [edit on 2-5-2008 by LateApexer313] Link to thread: ...thread352641/pg1

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