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Meeting of the Parliament MEETING OF THE PARLIAMENT Thursday 14 November 2002 (Morning) Session 1 £5.00 Parliamentary copyright. Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body 2002. Applications for reproduction should be made in writing to the Copyright Unit, Her Majesty‘s Stationery Office, St Clements House, 2-16 Colegate, Norwich NR3 1BQ Fax 01603 723000, which is administering the copyright on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. Produced and published in Scotland on behalf of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body by The Stationery Office Ltd. Her Majesty‘s Stationery Office is independent of and separate from the company now trading as The Stationery Office Ltd, which is responsible for printing and publishing Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body publications. CONTENTS Thursday 14 November 2002 Debates Col. CRIME .......................................................................................................................................................... 12319 Motion moved—[Michael Matheson]. Amendment moved—[The Lord Advocate]. Amendment moved—[Lord James Douglas-Hamilton]. Michael Matheson (Central Scotland) (SNP) .......................................................................................... 12319 The Lord Advocate (Colin Boyd) ............................................................................................................. 12323 Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con) ..................................................................................... 12326 Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD) .................................................................................................... 12328 Richard Lochhead (North-East Scotland) (SNP) ..................................................................................... 12330 Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab) ................................................................................................. 12332 Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con) ...................................................................................................... 12333 Mr Keith Raffan (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) ......................................................................................... 12335 Mr Kenneth Gibson (Glasgow) (SNP) ..................................................................................................... 12337 Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab) .................................................................................................. 12339 Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) .............................................................................. 12341 Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab) ................................................................................................ 12343 George Lyon (Argyll and Bute) (LD) ........................................................................................................ 12344 Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con) ..................................................................................................................... 12346 The Deputy Minister for Justice (Dr Richard Simpson) ........................................................................... 12348 Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP) ........................................................................................ 12350 POINT OF ORDER .......................................................................................................................................... 12354 POVERTY ...................................................................................................................................................... 12355 Motion moved—[Mr Kenneth Gibson]. Amendment moved—[Ms Margaret Curran]. Amendment moved—[Mrs Lyndsay McIntosh]. Mr Kenneth Gibson (Glasgow) (SNP) ..................................................................................................... 12355 The Minister for Social Justice (Ms Margaret Curran) ............................................................................. 12359 Mrs Lyndsay McIntosh (Central Scotland) (Con) .................................................................................... 12363 Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) ................................................................................................................. 12365 Colin Campbell (West of Scotland) (SNP) ............................................................................................... 12368 Trish Godman (West Renfrewshire) (Lab) .............................................................................................. 12369 Mr David Davidson (North-East Scotland) (Con) .................................................................................... 12371 Mr Lloyd Quinan (West of Scotland) (SNP) ............................................................................................. 12372 Ms Wendy Alexander (Paisley North) (Lab) ............................................................................................ 12374 Mr Keith Raffan (Mid Scotland and Fife) (LD) ......................................................................................... 12375 Ms Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP) ......................................................................................................... 12377 Mr Tom McCabe (Hamilton South) (Lab) ................................................................................................ 12379 Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD) ............................................................... 12380 Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con) ..................................................................................................................... 12382 The Deputy Minister for Social Justice (Hugh Henry) ............................................................................. 12383 Linda Fabiani (Central Scotland) (SNP) .................................................................................................. 12385 BUSINESS MOTION ........................................................................................................................................ 12388 Motion moved—[Patricia Ferguson]—and agreed to. The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Patricia Ferguson) ................................................................. 12388 Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP) ................................................................................................................ 12389 PRIVATE SECURITY FIRMS (REGULATION) ...................................................................................................... 12391 Motion debated—[Johann Lamont]. Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) .................................................................................................. 12391 Mr Kenneth Gibson (Glasgow) (SNP) ..................................................................................................... 12393 Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con) ..................................................................................... 12394 Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab) ................................................................................................. 12395 Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD) .................................................................................................... 12395 Mr Tom McCabe (Hamilton South) (Lab) ................................................................................................ 12396 Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con) ..................................................................................................................... 12397 Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (SSP) ......................................................................................................... 12398 The Deputy Minister for Justice (Dr Richard Simpson) ........................................................................... 12399 QUESTION TIME ............................................................................................................................................ 12403 FIRST MINISTER’S QUESTION TIME ................................................................................................................ 12419 NATIONAL CULTURAL STRATEGY .................................................................................................................. 12427 Motion moved—[Mike Watson]. Amendment moved—[Michael Russell]. Amendment moved—[Murdo Fraser]. The Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport (Mike Watson) ................................................................... 12427 Michael Russell (South of Scotland) (SNP) ............................................................................................. 12432 Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) ........................................................................................... 12435 Ian Jenkins (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD) ........................................................................... 12437 Mr Kenneth Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) ................................................................................................ 12440 Linda Fabiani (Central Scotland) (SNP) .................................................................................................. 12442 Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) .......................................................................................... 12444 John Farquhar Munro (Ross, Skye and Inverness West) (LD) ..............................................................
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