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CNN EDITION: U.S. INTERNATIONAL MÉXICO ARABIC TV: CNN CNNi CNN en Español HLN Sign up Log in Home TV & Video CNN Trends U.S. World Politics Justice Entertainment Tech Health Living Travel Opinion iReport Money Sports Transcript Providers Return to Transcripts main page THE LEAD WITH JAKE TAPPER National Guard Leaving Ferguson; Holder Assures Family Of Fairness; Controversy Over St. Louis Shooting; U.S. Refused To Pay Ransom For Foley Aired August 21, 2014 - 16:30 ET THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: Let's bring in Democratic Congressman Lacy Clay of Missouri. He'll be speaking at Michael Brown's funeral on Monday. We have a lot to talk to about -- talk with about him -- talk to about him. Sorry. Congressman Clay, good to see you, as always. I want to get your take on the events from the last few days, the protests calming down, the National Guard slowly leaving according to the governor. Is progress being made here? REP. WILLIAM LACY CLAY (D), MISSOURI: Well, Jake, after having the meeting yesterday with Attorney General Holder, Governor Nixon, Senators Blunt and McCaskill, as well as Congressman Cleaver, I think that the community feels better and knows that the federal government is now taking an expansive view of this case. They are investigating it. And from all reports, it's pretty good that the night was quiet last night along West Florissant Boulevard. And so, we hope things are settling down. But in the end, it's going to require that Michael Brown's family and the Ferguson community get justice from the judicial system. And that will have to happen. TAPPER: There are supporters of Officer Darren Wilson, the officer who shot and killed Michael Brown, who say that they feel like he is not getting due process. You had Governor Jay Nixon earlier this week say -- call for a, quote, "vigorous prosecution of Wilson." The grand jury hasn't reached any sort of conclusion. It may be they decide not to indict at all. Do you not have the concerns about this officer who is also a Missouri constituent and whether or not he also deserves justice? CLAY: Well, first of all, we have numerous eyewitnesses to the incident, to the shooting of Michael Brown. And I tend to believe those eyewitnesses, and what they are reporting. And I also have serious concerns about the local prosecutors, about their ability to fairly prosecute this case in the interests of justice -- to deliver justice to this community or to Michael Brown's family. And I say that because we have a track record. We have something to look at in previous incidents of police shootings, where there was no prosecution, where it was claimed to be a good shooting. If there's any such thing as a good police shooting, and then you showed footage of the shooting from yesterday in St. Louis City. I hope that the federal government takes a look at that shooting also and makes a determination whether it was a good police shooting or not. TAPPER: We'll be talking with the St. Louis City police chief about that shooting in a second. I know you have to go, Congressman, because you're meeting with the Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, you are concerned about how militarized the police have become. What are you going to tell Secretary Hagel? CLAY: Well, I'm going to share with Secretary Hagel some concerns that have been raised by my constituents and by me as far as what I saw several nights out there on West Florissant where you had heavily armed police tactical units pointing it these sophisticated weapons at innocent protesters, my constituents. I got a call yesterday from a Marine vet who is done two tours of duty in the Afghanistan and he says that if in Afghanistan, they pointed their weapons at unarmed civilians, they would be court-martialed. So apparently this policy has to change. TAPPER: Congressman Lacy Clay, thank you so much for your time. Good luck with your meeting with the secretary of defense. Coming up next, the U.S. attorney general meets Michael Brown's family. How confident are they now that here will be a full and fair investigation? We'll ask their attorney coming up. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) TAPPER: Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper live in sweltering Ferguson, Missouri. Attorney General Eric Holder says he came to Ferguson yesterday not only to ease tensions, but to try to restore faith in the justice system for the many skeptical citizens here. He also met with Michael Brown's parents to assure them personally that the investigation into their son's death would be fair and independent. But did his words have an impact? Joining me now live is Daryl Parks. He is an attorney for Brown's parents. Mr. Parks, thanks for joining us. What can you tell us about the meeting that the family had with the attorney general? DARYL PARKS, CO-COUNSEL FOR MICHAEL BROWN'S FAMILY: Well, first of all, the meeting on yesterday was really probably a culmination of the attorney general's involvement in this case. Certainly he had a one- on-one meeting with them, did not allow the counsel in the meeting with them. And it was a meeting just to express his condolences to the family, which we believe is certainly decent and in order, and a kind gesture on his part. I will stay the Department of Justice became involved in this case last week when we met with the U.S. attorney's office for the eastern district of Missouri and with representatives from the Civil Rights Section of the Department of Justice from Washington, D.C. as well as the FBI agents. So he's had a very robust effort on the part of the department as early as last week and certainly I think him coming just added credence to the fact that this is a very important matter for him, for the country, to give this community some confidence in the judicial system. So we really appreciate him coming. It was a very proper gesture on the part of the United States government and we're glad that Attorney General Holder decided to come. TAPPER: Mr. Parks, what does justice look like for the Brown family? What if the grand jury decides there is not enough evidence to indict Officer Wilson on any crime and he is able to continue being a police officer? There is -- in other words, there's a thorough hearing and evidence is brought before the grand jury, but it doesn't result in what I think you and the Brown family want. Is that not justice? PARKS: It's not justice, Jake. You know, when I sit there and I watch the video that happened that day and see that kid laying in the middle of the street, when I listen to the witnesses, all of them who tell a very similar story what happened in this case. When I looked at his body as we did this autopsy on this kid and to see how he was shot in his head in a manner that could only be an execution style and how the witnesses describe him trying to give in. It was very apparently that the officer hit him with the bullets and he continued to shoot this kid in the head. I believe that this guy should have been arrested a long time ago. I have every confidence in the world that he's going to be convicted for what he did to Michael Brown. TAPPER: Daryl Parks, thank you so much. Look forward to having you on the show again. And we should note that Anderson Cooper will have Michael Brown's parents on his show later this evening. Coming up, another fatal shooting by police this week in this area from just a few miles from where I'm standing in Ferguson, Missouri. As new video of the incident is released, does it match with the police department's version of events? Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) TAPPER: Welcome back to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper here in Ferguson, Missouri, just a few miles from here, a 25-year-old black man was shot and killed by two white St. Louis police officers outside a convenience store just earlier this week, Tuesday. Police released this cell phone footage of the shooting from Tuesday. It's prompted questions about the initial accounts from police. It's now clear from this video that the version that the police chief initially gave about the story that the man, quote, "pulled out a knife and came at the officers gripping and holding it high is not accurate." There are other questions, of course, about that shooting of a man that the neighborhood knew to be emotionally distressed including why the two officers shot him nine times and shooting of Michael Brown. Just what the exactly are cops taught to do if they feel their lives are threatened? (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) TAPPER (voice-over): Since the shooting death of Michael Brown 12 days ago as well as the police shooting of another African-American man in St. Louis on Tuesday, there has been a new focus on when police are supposed to use deadly force when they believe they are facing a threat. BILL JOHNSON, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF POLICE ORGANIZATIONS: The general rule of thumb everywhere in the country is keep firing until the threat is stopped.