City Research Online City, University of London Institutional Repository Citation: Littler, J. and Rustin, S. (2013). Green Shoots? Interview with Natalie Bennett. Soundings: A Journal of Politics and Culture, 53, pp. 33-43. doi: 10.3898/136266213806045692 This is the accepted version of the paper. This version of the publication may differ from the final published version. Permanent repository link: https://openaccess.city.ac.uk/id/eprint/6015/ Link to published version: http://dx.doi.org/10.3898/136266213806045692 Copyright: City Research Online aims to make research outputs of City, University of London available to a wider audience. Copyright and Moral Rights remain with the author(s) and/or copyright holders. URLs from City Research Online may be freely distributed and linked to. Reuse: Copies of full items can be used for personal research or study, educational, or not-for-profit purposes without prior permission or charge. Provided that the authors, title and full bibliographic details are credited, a hyperlink and/or URL is given for the original metadata page and the content is not changed in any way. City Research Online: http://openaccess.city.ac.uk/ [email protected] Green Shoots Jo Littler and Susanna Rustin interview Natalie Bennett Jo Green Party policies on the whole seem to be left-wing and anti-neoliberal: arguing for re- nationalising the railways, the social redistribution of wealth and a citizens’ living wage, and arguing against economic growth as the best indicator of social progress. How are you going to let more people know about this, and how do you see the Greens operating in relation to a traditional ‘left’ terrain? Natalie There’s a huge political space in Britain for a progressive left-wing party that plans, for example, to re-nationalise the railways, make the minimum wage a living wage, build more affordable council housing, rein in the banks and rebuild Britain’s manufacturing industries and food production. These are policies the Green Party has supported throughout its history. However there’s currently so much significant political space available to us because the Labour Party has moved so far to the right. The Green Party now has a huge responsibility to make sure we communicate those policies effectively, and that process is happening. I see more and more Labour Party voters joining the Green Party when they see us in their area, and when they see that we are serious political contenders. People seem to have been waiting for us and are delighted we’re here. So communication is essential: we have the policies, we’ve just got to get out there and make sure people know about them. To spread the word, we need growth, and the party is growing. We have core centres of influence and support in Brighton, Norwich, Lancaster and Oxford, and we need to expand from those centres and become a truly national party. Ultimately we want to be visible on all the national stages, and our next practical step in achieving this will be the county council elections in 2013, where we think we can significantly increase the number of Green Party councillors. Then in 2014 we think we can triple the number of Green Party MEPs, increasing the number to six (seven including Scotland). That will mean many more people voting Green at council and European level, so that by 2015 voting Green in a Westminster election will not look like a protest vote: it will just be taking advantage of the options available. It will be a case of voting Green and actually getting Green. Jo What are you going to do to help the Green Party move beyond its traditional, safe, white, middle-class constituencies? Natalie We are already demonstrating in certain areas - the West Midlands, for example - that we have moved beyond that demographic. In Solihull, we’ve gone up from zero to six councillors in two years - and Solihull is nothing like Brighton or Lancaster. We have also recently got our first councillor in Dudley, Will Duckworth, now deputy Green Party leader. We are focusing on issues like the living wage and speaking up for people with disabilities and their need for decent benefits. We want to insulate people’s homes and make sure they can afford to pay their fuel bills. We’re also aiming to secure Britain’s food supply, and reduce the huge price hikes from so much imported food. All these are policies that should appeal in poorer areas. And in the last by-election in Highgate in Camden, for the first time we won the council estate part of the ward. In the past, I think the Green Party has sounded a bit technocratic. That’s something we need to avoid now. I always try to talk in a way that is immediately comprehensible. And yes, the Green Party is relatively white, just like every other political party. That’s definitely a problem. We have a new ethnic minorities network in the party working to try to improve this situation. The Green Party does not produce career politicians in the same way other parties do - if you want to be a career politician, you don’t 1 come to the Green Party! Instead, it produces committed people who really want to make a difference. So when those people get elected, they really do try to institute change. Voters are recognising this. Once they have elected one Green they are realising the benefits and electing more. Jo How are you tackling the difficulties of making it onto the news agenda? Natalie Let’s pick one area: education. The Green Party has very distinctive policies here, and Labour tends to be quite conservative. For example we are the only party opposed to free schools, which are an outgrowth of Labour’s academies. The Green Party has the policies, but we have not always done the best job of selling them. It should be easy to get media attention because we have distinctive things to say, but the reality is that when we are approached it usually has something to do with ice floes! We also really want to be talking about the privatisation of the NHS, re-nationalising the railways, and this huge range of issues that we have distinctive policies on. Jo Is there enough mainstream media interest in environmental issues? Natalie It’s true that the media tends to be quite conservative on environmental issues, and doesn’t take enough interest. In general there’s an address book journalists have with a list of people they go to on education, on health or on other issues, and it’s essential to be on that list. I was speaking to a journalist recently who said Green Party policies are too radical for people to be interested in them. Lots of journalists think people are only interested in policies that the Daily Mail will entertain. But the fact is that the public is looking for alternative answers. It is very clear that neoliberalism and globalisation have been an absolute disaster for the British economy and the world economy; for the British environment and the world environment. The media is doing a very poor job of giving people a menu of options to choose from. The options are out there. It’s just very hard to get them any airtime. Jo What relationship do the Greens have to the austerity agenda? There’s been a lot of controversy in Brighton and Hove, for example, over the Green council implementing coalition cuts and sacking people. Natalie When the Greens in Brighton and Hove set their first budget, they tried to implement the maximum 3.5 per cent council tax rise. This would have meant substantially fewer cuts. Unfortunately, because the Greens were only a minority administration, they didn’t have the votes to carry the budget on their own. Labour sided with the Tories. Labour forced the cuts to happen because they prevented the council tax rise that would have raised enough money to make it possible to stop the cuts. So Green councillors in Brighton and Hove then had the options of either handing the budget over to the Tories, or of doing their utmost to produce the best possible budget. I’m confident that they did a good job of the latter. We tried very hard to not have a ‘cuts budget’ - cuts were minimal compared to what is happening in most places. The process itself was open and people were consulted and listened to, so that when cuts had to be made, Green councillors identified the best way to make them work. Jo What will you be aiming for in terms of an alternative to the austerity agenda? Natalie For the general election in 2010 we had our first fully-costed manifesto. That was a ‘no cuts’ manifesto, although there were some exceptions. We intended to cut Trident, nuclear weapons, road building, and to pull out of the war in Afghanistan. We had a 2 programme based on the wealthy and multinational companies paying their fair share of tax. We rebalanced the tax system and ensured that we maintained benefit levels and maintained government services. The mathematics in that budget showed that this is perfectly possible to achieve. The current system reveals a huge tax deficit. As we’ve found with Starbucks, Google, Ikea and everyone else on that list, many companies aren’t paying their taxes. That is why we have a budget problem. Susanna Who are the MPs and other British politicians you most admire? Natalie I admire Leanne Wood of Plaid Cymru, with whom I’ve shared platforms on several occasions.