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Legislative Assembly of Manitoba FourthSession - Thirty-Fifth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba STANDING COMMITTEE on ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 42 Elizabeth II Chairperson Mr. JackReimer Constituency of Niakwa VOL. XLII No. 22 - 7 p.m., TUESDAY, JULY 13, 1993 MG-8048 ISSN 0713·9969 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Fifth Legislature Members,Constituencies and Political Affiliation NAME CONSTITUENCY PARTY. ALCOCK, Reg Osborne Liberal ASHTON, Steve Thompson NDP BARRETT, Becky Wellington NDP CARSTAIRS, Sharon River Heights Liberal CERILLI, Marianne Radisson NDP CHOMIAK, Dave . Kildonan NDP CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose PC DACQUAY, Louise Seine River PC DERKACH, Leonard, Hon. Roblin-Russell PC DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk NDP DOER, Gary Concordia NDP DOWNEY, James, Hon. Arthur-Virden PC DRIEDGER, Albert, Hon. Steinbach PC DUCHARME, Gerry, Hon. Riel PC EDWARDS, Paul St. James Liberal ENNS, Harry, Hon. Lakeside PC ERNST, Jim, Hon. Charleswood PC EVANS, Clif Interlake NDP EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East NDP FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tuxedo PC FINDLAY, Glen, Hon. Springfield PC FRIESEN, Jean Wolseley NDP GAUDRY, Neil St. Boniface Liberal GILLESHAMMER, Harold, Hon. Minnedosa PC GRAY, Avis Crescentwood Liberal HELWER, Edward R. Gimli PC HICKES, George Point Douglas NDP LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Liberal LATHLIN, Oscar The Pas NDP LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norbert PC MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MANNESS, Clayton, Hon. Morris PC MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows NDP McALPINE, Gerry Sturgeon Creek PC McCRAE, James, Hon. Brandon West PC MciNTOSH, Linda, Hon. Assiniboia PC . MITCHELSON, Bonnie, Hon. River East PC ORCHARD, Donald, Hon. Pembina PC PALLISTER, Brian Portage Ia Prairie PC PENNER, Jack Emerson PC PLOHMAN, John Dauphin NDP PRAZNIK, Darren, Hon. Lac du Bonnet PC REID, Daryl Transcona NDP REIMER, Jack Niakwa PC RENDER, Shirley St. Vital PC ROCAN, Denis, Hon. Gladstone PC ROSE, Bob TurtleMoun tain PC SANTOS, Conrad Broadway NDP STEFANSON, Eric, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC STORIE, Jerry Flin Flon NDP SVEINSON, Ben La Verendrye PC VODREY, Rosemary, Hon. FortGarry PC WASYLYCIA -LEIS, Judy St. Johns NDP WOWCHUK, Rosann Swan River NDP Vacant Rossmere Vacant Rupertsland Vacant The Maples 706 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT Tuesday, July 13, 1993 TIME -7p.m. Amanda Le Rougetel - Coalition for LOCATION-Winnipeg, Manitoba Reproductive Choice CHAIRPERSON- Mr. Jack Reimer (Niakwa) Lori Johnson - Morgentaler Clinic ATTENDANCE - 11 -QUORUM - 6 Robbie Mahood - Private Citizen Members of the Committeepresent: Cynthia Byers - Private Citizen Hon. Messrs. Driedger,' Gilleshammer, MATTERS UNDER DISCUSSION: Orchard Bill 30-The Vulnerable Persons Living with a Ms. Barrett, Messrs. Edwards, Martindale, Mental Disability and Consequential Pallister, Penner, Reid, Reimer, Mrs. Render Amendments Act APPEARING: Bill 31-The Health Services Insurance Reg Alcock, MLA for Osborne Amendment Act Avis Gray, MLA for Crescentwood Bill 33-The Provincial Railways and WITNESSES: Consequential Amendments Act Bill 33-The Provincial Railways and *** Consequential Amendment Act Mr. Chairperson: Will the committee on Don Tennant, United Transportation Union Economic Development please come to order. Bill 30-The Vulnerable Persons Living with a The committee will proceed with public Mental Disability and Consequential presentations on Bill 30, The Vulnerable Persons Amendments Act Living with a Mental Disability and Consequential Bill Martin - Canadian Mental Health Amendments Act; Bill 31 , The Health Services Association Insurance Amendment Act; and Bill 33, The Allistar Gunson - Association for Community Provincial Railways and Consequential Living, Manitoba Amendment Act. Theresa Ducharme - People in Equal I have a list of persons wishing to appear before Participation Inc. (PEP) this committee. For the committee's benefit, copies of the presenters list have been distributed. Rod Lauder - Private Citizen Also for the public's benefit, a board outside the Zana Lutfiyya - Private Citizen committee room has been set up with a list of Barbara Bird - River East Advocacy Coalition presenters that have preregistered. I will not read for the Handicapped Inc. the list since members of the committee have Roger Kiendl and Carl Stephens - St. Amant copies. Society Should anyone present wish to appear before Jean Smith and Debbie Doherty - Transcona­ this committee who has not already preregistered, Springfield Association for Special Needs Inc. please advise the Chamber staff at the back of the room and your name will be added to the list. Ann Zebrowski - Private Citizen Bill 31-The Health Services Insurance At this time, I would like to ask if there is anyone Amendment Act in the audience who has a written text to accompany their presentation. If so, I would ask Anna Desilets - Alliancefor Life that you forward your copies to the Page and the Audrhea Lande - Private Citizen Clerk at the back of the room at this time. 707 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA July 13, 1993 Before we proceed, is it the will of the committee employed by the U.S. carriers, including Amtrak. to apply time limits to the public presentations? Our affiliates also represent a fairly large bus Hon. Donald Orchard (Minister of Health): Mr. membership throughout United States. Our Chairperson, I wonder, my list shows two Canadian membership is approximately 14,000; presenters to Bill 33. If there were not other the U.S. membership is approximately 160,000; our presenters to BiiiS3, I wonder, as a convenience to Manitoba membership is approximately 1 ,200. those individuals, if committee might consider The Manitoba membership are employed on VIA, having them present first and then revert to the CN, CP, and Burlington Northern. numerical order of the bills, so that those Issues of concern to the UTU individuals would not wait for considerable lengths 1. Consequential amendments to The Manitoba of time. Labour Act, to section applicable by adding: Mr. Chairperson: I would just point out that there Federal to provincial sale, with response to the sale is one more, so there are actually three presenters of a business when for Bill 33, which has the lowest amount of (a) before the sale, collective bargaining relating presenters on it. to the business by the predecessor is governed Is is the will of the committee then to listen to by the laws of Canada; and presenters on Bill 33 first? (b) after the sale, collective bargaining relating to Mr. Daryl Reid (Transcona): Mr. Chairperson, the business by the successor employer is that we will be going through clause by clause on governed by the laws of the province of the bill immediately after the presenters as well? Manitoba. Mr. Chairperson: No, we will list through all Please find attached, from Ontario, a page from presenters on all bills first. the labour legislation marked apex #1 . 2. Consequential amendments to the Manitoba Bi ll 33-The Provincial Railways and Labour legislation or a special bill to provide Consequential Amendment Act protection; example, the New York dock labour protection conditions for mergers and takeovers. Mr. Chairperson: We will proceed then with Bill 33, and I will call on the three names who are Please find attached from Traffic World,June 14, presenters from Bill 33, Mr. Allan Ludkiewicz for 1993, marked apex #2 which states: The Interstate C.P. Rail, Barry Domino and Don Tennant. I will Commerce and Transport Commission approved then call on Allan Ludkiewicz, please. I will call one the KCS takeover subject to the New York dock other time for Mr. Allan Ludkiewicz with C.P. Rail labour protection conditions that provide up to six System. No? Well, then I will call on Mr. Barry years of wages and benefits for the employees Domino, United Transportation Union, Local 351 . I affected by the rail mergers. will call one other time for Mr. Barry Domino. 3. Regulations 48( 1)(c) despite anything in this I will then proceed then to call on Mr. Don act or any other act providing for transitional Tennant. We have your written presentation, Mr. arrangements in respect of a railway upon the first Tennant. You may proceed, Mr. Tennant. application of this act. The UTU concern is that there is no time frame formula in place. Mr. Don Tennant (United Transportation Union): Mr. Chairperson and members, it is 4. Regulation 48(1 )(n) governing the safe indeed a pleasure for me to appear before you operations of railways and their operation, and today to present our submission on behalf of the 48(1 )(o) governing the reporting of accidents. United Transportation Union, Canada. The UTU recommends 48( 1 )(n) use the Railway As you may be aware, UTU Canada represents Safety Act and for 48(1 )(o), the Canadian railway conductors, yard foremen, train and yard Transportation Accident Investigation and Safety service employees on all railways in Canada. In Board Act. addition, we represent locomotive engineers on 5.3. The handling of application where an some short-line railways and bus operators in opposition has been filed: (a) the review of several locations. We are also affiliated with UTU, statements; (b) the determination of economic U.S., which represents these same crafts viability. July 13, 1993 LEGISlATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 708 5.4. Public interest that the demand for the representation we 5.5. Time constraints on abandonment orders. represent, the locomotive engineers and train conductors and personnel like that, is still there. I do not have the bill in front of me, but there has been a heading left offthe top, and that was under A prime example would be here in Winnipeg. that section of the bill for there. For example, even though we have people who are employed on CN, they share the employees with 6. The UTU recommends that all federal VIA and Burlington Northern because simply it operating and training requirements be required. would be unfeasible for most people to provide the 7. A provincial transportation advisory and training required to operate under the legislation oversee committee be set up to focus on the and statutes under the federal regulation.
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