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/2.6$%+$6(&5(7$5,$7 New Delhi Rs:1.00 CONTENTS COLUMNS No. 18-Thursday, March 7, 1968/Phalguna 17, 1889 (Saka) Oral Answers to Questions- ·Starred Questions Nos. 479 to 482 2085-2114 Written Answers to Questions- Starred QUestions Nos. 483 to 508 . 2114-30 Unstarred Questions Nos. 3107 to 3131,3133 to 3176, 3178 to 3230 and 3230-A 2131-2215 Short Notice Questions-4 2215 Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- Reported kidnapping of Police constable by Chinese Embassy Red Guards 2215-17, 2341-55 Papers Laid on the Table . 2217·18 Estimates Commiltec- Twentieth, Twenty-first, Twenty-second and Thirty-fifth Reports 2218 Business Advisory Committee- Fifteenth Report 2218-20 Motion Re. Reports on Industrial Planning and Licensing Policy 2220-2341 Shri Yogendra Sharma 2220-25 Shri Shantilal Shah 2226-30 Shri J. B. Kripalani 2230-33 Shri Thirumala Rao . 2233-39 Shri Chintamani Panigrahi 2240-45 Shri Sheo Narain 2245-49 Shri Umatiath . . 2249-56 Shrimati Sucheta Kripalani 2263-72 Shri Bal Raj Madhok 2272-80 Shri Randhir Singh 2280-86 Shri Amrit Nahata 2288-96 Shri P. Viswambharan . 2296-2302 Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha 2302-08 Shri Humayun Kabir 2308-15 Dr. Melkote . . 2315-18 Shri Ram Avtar Sharma 2318-23 Shri Himatsingka 2323-24 Shri Prakash Vir Shastri 2324-30 Shri F. A. Ahmed 2330-40 Statement reo Landslide and obstruction in the river Buri Gan- dak in Nepal 2355-56 Dr. K. L. Rao 2355-56 Discussion reo Reported Atrocities on Harijans in Bilaspur district of Madhya Pradesh 2357-82 Shri Madhu Limaye . . 2358-68 Shrimati Minimata Agam Dass Guru 2369-76 Shri Jagannath Rao Joshi 2376-79 Shri R. D. Bhandare 2379-82 *Thc ~ign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. MllLSS{68-1 DEBATES 2085 2086

LOK SABHA although it was branded by the Govern- ment as a limb of the Planning Commis- Thursday, March 7, 1968/ sion. Phalgl4na 17, 1889 (Saka) The Central Government alone paid over ~ 230 lakhs wi thout any supervision The Lok SaMa met at and examination of accounts. They clenrly Eleven of rile Clock violated the provisions of the GFR, rule 149(3). The Information and Broadcasting [MR. SPEAlUR ill the Chair] Ministry gave ~ 28,701 but what was publiCised did not serve the Government purpOse as stipulated; it served the pUrpo,e 'ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS of Bharat Sewak Samaj. In , where Shri Asoke Sen was the chief of the 'GRANTS TO BHARAT SEWAK SAMAJ ~ Sewak Samaj. he fully utilised the funds of Bharat Sewak Samaj to meet his ·479. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL- eleCtion exPenses. TURE be pleased to state: (a) the total amount given to the Bharat MR. SPEAKER You arc giving Sewak Samaj sinc<: its incePtion; and information to the Minister. You are giving the whole history of Dharat Sewak (b) the value of Government land and Samaj but are not asking the question. property Biven to the Samaj in Delhi; and ,other places ~ SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Under the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE circumstances may I ask the Minister whether MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, any tax exemption was allowed to Bharat COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND Sewak Samaj; if so, under what rules, what COOPERATION (SHRI M. S. GURUPA- is the amount and arc Ihere aay arrears? DASWAMy) : (a) and (b). A statement is laid on the Table of the House. [Placed in SHRI M. S. GURUPADASWAMY: Library. See No. LT-374/68). Comprehensive consolidated accouats arc not available Yet; so. I am not in a position SHRJ JYOTIRMOY DASU This to say whal concessions have been allowed Bharat Sewak Samaj, or you miabt call it 10 Dharat Sewak Samuj. Bharat Experiment Samaj. is an adventure of Shri Nanda, whose conscience may SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: But you rest in peace. who wanted a powerful have received the PAC Report. Do nol organisation of his own to be parallel 10 pretend that you do not know about it. the ~ng SHRI M. S. GURUPADASWAMY: I SHRI S. KANDAPPAN: Parallel to do aot pretend at all. I am aware of the the Planning Commi"ion. PAC Report. I only say lhis much that comprehcasivc information is not avail- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: In theory able yet. they said that it was a concern for the uplift of the PeOple but in practice the aim was to SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: My second have an industrial empire for furthering question is whether afterthe PublieACcounts political causes. It was repstered under Committee luggcstcd a ban, further grants ~ So<:ieties Registration Act of 1860 have been giveD in viOlation of the ban by 2087 Oral n~ MARCH 7, 1968 Oral Answers 2088 the Ministries and the Plannin8 Ccmmis- '3if if; ~ ~ ~ ~ fit; sion; if so, the details thereer and the reason t, t for doing the same. ~~~~~~~~ ~~~in~~ SHRI M. S. GURUPADASWAMY: After the Public Accounts Commitee made ~ ~ ~~ R

~ ~ I ~~ IItf n~ '(\'If : "4'it III ~ fit; ~ ...... ~~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ MR. SPEAKER: Can you lell the year, f.t;lrr if not Ihe date? if; "4' arnr {iTT I \R i ~ tRmrR!' ~ Ifilrr lJlIT ~ I ~ ~ fW ~ I IItf ~ '1lf : ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 3fm ~ ~ ~ ij«,,,,,,,.,lf; m'T ~ ~ ;i't 8f1ft lIN ~ ~ ~ am \fi \R i Ifilrr lJlIT ~~ ...... ~~~~~ ...... ""' ~ ~ : 3fiI' ~ W if; furl: ~ "Iltr am ~ ? mTR Wt at t .,. 3{1'1 ii~ ~ I MR. SPEAKER: Please answer the que,· tion; do nOI answer the interruptions. 'lfr ~ Ull' ~ ~ ~ ~~ IItt ~ Ull' : at ~ ~ i~ ~ f1 1iI1mf.t ~~~~~i i~~ 3fT1T am orR ~ ~ ~ I ~~ ~~~ 1ftT ~ ~ ~ mr-ft # ro "I"rof i'l'fi ~ ~ ~ MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. You <'111m ~i cannot get up like that. You must sit ?:1f"T am ;;it arro'fft arm- down. You must at least give one minute

~~ ~~ SHRI M. S. GURUPADASWAMY; ~~~ ~ There was a question already in the Lok Sabha on the 29th and there. we have replied ~~i that we arc coasidcring the qestion oiaetliDg 2091 Oral Allswers MARCH 7, 1968 Oral Answers 2092 up an inquiry to look into all the affairs of eastisatinll.tbe Bharat Sewak Samaj, to the the Bharat Sewak Samaj. It is there. We Third Lot Sabha .....• are considering it. ... SHRI MADHU LIMA YE: 31st March,. SHRI MADHU LIMAYE: Comminee 1965. or Commission? SHRI HEM BARUA: It was about three SHRI M. S. GURUPADASWAMY: As or four years back that the PubliC Accounts my senior colleague said, only on the 16th Committee submitted its report to the Lok of last month, the administrative responsi- Sabha. But the statement here now says bility of the Bbarat Sewak Samaj was trans- arter SO much of time: ferred from the Planning Commission to our Ministry. Therefore, we are looking "In pursuanCe of the recommendations into all the affairs of the Bharat Sewak of tbe Public Accounts Committee (3rd Samaj. I want to disabuse the mind of Lok Sabha), the Samaj has been asked to my bon. friend of this. We are not shelter- furnish its consolidated accounts for inll or hushing up anything at all. We every year since its inCePtion .... " are equally concerned with the state Then, This is also there: of atrairs in the Bharat Sewak Samaj. As my _ior colleague had put it, we are "The question of instituting an enquiry not very much satisfied with the statement into tbe affairs of the Samaj is under of accounts that they have submitted to us, consideration." but we are stilliookinil into it. As soon as There are serious charges of corrUPtion the picture is clear .... levelled against the Bharat Sewak Samaj by a body like the Public Accounts Com- MR. SPEAKER: What about income-tax? mittee some four Years back. Yet, they Is he able to say somethinll on that? have been sleeping over this issue: they have done nothing. Now they tell the SHU M. S. OURUPADASWAMY: House that they arc considering instituting That is also an aspect. All these matters an inquiry into the affairs of the Bharat are relevant. We are, as I said, looking Sewak Samaj. How long would they take into the various aspects; there are the cons- to wake up to check the corruption in this truction side, non-construction side, welfare country? Tbat is what I want to know. and amenities activities of the Bharat Scwak Samaj--all these things are there .... SHRI M. S. GURUPADASWAMY: (lnterruptiolu) It will not be very long. The matter has come to us just reCently. There may be SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Stealing lapses, there may be cascs of corruption, also ..•. we do not know. These will form the SHRI JAOnVAN RAM: He may be subject-matter of inquiry. I think, very aware of it. soon we will take a decision in this matter. SHRt HEM BARUA : This is a very .-§ : ~ \lR :;ft;:fT "" -litfftli" serious matter. The Minister says that he ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (t '11n docs not know about the corruptioD indulged "fT1 in by the Bharat Sewak Samaj. But the Public ACeounts Committee has catesori- SHU M. S. GURUPADASWAMY: I cally pointed that out. How 10Dg would am not conversant. they sleep over it like this? As rcprds the other question which he raised, may I say that whatever information MR. SPEAKER: The point is this. It we have collected has already been laid on has been traDSf'erred to them OD the 16th the Table of this House. The statement is of last month, but it is not a question of available for the members. his Ministry alone. What has the Oovern- ment dODe all these three Years? It is not a SHRI HEM BARUA : The Public question or Mr. Gurupadaswamy or any- Accounts Committee submitted its repoM, body. What has the GovernmeDt done? 2093 Oral An.swers PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Ol'tll Answers 2094

SHRI M. S.GURUPADASWAMY:Ac- SHRI JAGJiVAN RAM : No. it has cording to the information available to us, l been transferred to the Community Develop- various attempts have been made to bring 1 ment Department. about consolidation of accounts. The Planning Commission had sct up a Sub-Comntittee of the Co-ordination Com- "" ~ ~ ~ ~ mmr mittee on Public CooPeration and they ~~~ went into the matter. They had meetings in September-October, 1966. Subsequently ~ 111\'0 ;no mm : 3f\ft ~ 1fU thc Planning Commission also set up an accounts cell and they also went into the ~~~ ~~ ~~ whole matter. One of the observations ~ fit; ~ anm 1ft fip;rr ~ I which both the Committees have made is ~ (t ¢ ~ ~ q ifi{j('1.,)f.. ~ ~ that it is not possible to consolidate all the accounts because of the fact that the Bharat ~~ fw'IIT-q:rt, ~~ Scwak Samaj has maintained individual ~ itiT 1ft mr 'lIT -q:r t, ~ ~ accounts for various items. They have ~ IfOT fip;rr ~ come to this conclusion that it will be very 1ft anm ? difficult to consolidate all the accounts. ~ ~~ ~ But they have also said that they have got ¢-Il Iti11I\I tR consolidated accounts for three years, from IfIl ~ w # fQr ~ Ai 1962 to 1965. So these are matters which arc not final.. (lnterruptiolls) All that is "The Bharat Sewak Samaj received for required is being looked into. its welfare and other activities lIants and loans from different Ministries and other SHRI HEM BARUA: The defence that allencies of the Central Government and he is trying to give us is no defence at all. from the State Governments and also dona- We arc interested in knowing this. Since tions within and outside of the counlry. Government have failed to check corruPtion, why is it that Government have not tried to ~~~~ ~ wind up the Bharat Sewak Samaj? l!iT ~ if ~ ~ ft'I'IIT ~ fit; 1froI" SHRI JAGJIV AN RAM: As I have said, ~~i~~~~~ the winding up of the Bharat1Sewak Samaj ~~~ ~~ is not in our hands. But sO far as we are ~ 1froI" ~ concerned, our concern is not to give any- lIT lI.if""ifqll,, m thing to them. A. I have said already, all ~ W 'iT, 3f'f ~ ~ it; f\writ ~ am grants, loans or assistance to the Bharat ~i Scwak Samaj have been SlopPed. No grant has been released from Novem- "l"t ~ U'f : lIT en ~ 3!tf.t ;R ber, 1966. So, for OUr purposes .... «~ ~ ~ ~ ~ if(\' ~ mq ~ '11fT i{Tm I SHRI HEM BARUA : What about the tT past? MR SPEAKER: Shri Kanwar Lal Gupta.

SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM: As for the SHRI JYOTlRMOY BASU: That is past, We are looking into that malter. That an utter untruth. They have taken Rs. I is what I have said. lakhs subscription ..... SHRI TENNETI VISWANATHAM: I MR SPEAKER: Order, order. This was always thinking that this Bharat Sewak question shall not be answered. The hon. Samaj was an innOCent association and that Member cannol IICI up In Ihat manner. it was a Sarnaj that is 5ama + Ala, that is, I ha vc called Shei Kanwar Lal Gupta. as good as a lamb. What is the signifi- cance of transferrin I this Samaj to tbe Food SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: You cannot Department? allow him to mislead Ihe House. 2095 Oral A.nswe" MARCH 7, 1968 Oral Answers 2096

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~~~i~~ SHRI S. KANDAPPAN : On a point of order. The Prosperity Brigade has nothing ~ ~ ~ it m 1f>T Offwm: to do with this question. Why should he "Iff t ~ amlfit ~ OffU1rn aT ~ drag in a State Government here. I strong· fir. ~ ~ ~~ 3ff.t ~ Iy protest. Let him confine his question to the BSS. am am: "Iff amt t aT am \3'ifiIi ~ ~ ;r.rr ~ t, ~ efTo arr{o lfit ~ SHRI SEZHIY AN: It is not true that ~~~~~~~~ government funds have been given to the Prosperity Brigade. It is true that is sus· ~ ~ ~i ammo efTo tained by Government for which accounts arr{o ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ mT ;;rR ~ are there. Whereas in this case the Govern- ment have allotted Ilrants of Rs. 2 crores for am ~ ~ ~ ~ '1ft ~n the Bharat Sewak Samaj for which no ~~~~~i ? aceounts are maintained.

'lit ~~ ~ ~ llit ~ SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH : In the Madras budget, Rs. 10 lakhs have becn m ~ lIiT i~ ~ ~ am m provided for to help the work of the Pros- ~ ;;it '1ft' ~ ~ ~ ~ perity Brigade. ~ ~ I ~~~ 1f>T ~ SHRI HEM BARUA: On a point of ~ ...... order. Can a State matter be raised here 2097 Oral Answers PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Oral Answers 2098

MR. SPEAKER : No Comparison. any steps. It is true that the Public Aoeounts Tbat is all. The Minister cannot answer Committee in their 34th report said that for the DMK. He was only arguing whether since the Bharat Sewak Samaj has not conso- tbis is wrong. The Minister can say only lidated its ac:counts ac:cording to the finan- about the BSS. cial rules all the grants and loans should be forthwith stopped. We have stopped the SHRI K. K. NAIR: How wiJIyou verify? grants and loans to the Bharat Sewak Samaj since then. So we have already complied SHRI M. S. GURUPADASWAMY: with the recommendation of the Public The Bharat Sewak Samaj is a social service Accounts Committee. Regarding the other organisation. Also We have stopPed grants issue, we are examining it and as soon as and loans-we have made it very clear-since the issues are co-ordinated and we find that As regards the ot her aSPect the 1966-67. of an inquiry is necessary certainly we are going question, I take the informati{ln frem him. to do it. We do not know whether the GcveJnmcl1l of Madra. has set apart certain funds for SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Sir, J do not the Prosperity Brigade. usually interrupt the proceedings, but here I want your protection. They are repeating SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH: over and over again, after a certain lapse of am asking about the social work done by time, that they have acted in accordance with the BSS. the recommendations of the Public Aoeount SHRI S. KANDAPPAN: He is again and Committee. I want to pinpoint a parti- again harping on the Prosperity brigade. cular admission made by Shri Jagjiwan Ram I am sorry about it. that financial rules have been violated. I refer to what they have said in the answer, SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : It was your namely, that consolidated accounts which pinpointing the corporate resrC'nsibility the Samaj is said to have given were found of Government that led the Min".try at to be unsatisfactory and this has gone on long last not to take shelter under the plea for a period of time. My question was in that they had been holding the baby only relation to that and not in regard to whot for a few months. But may I know how it they have done in regard to the recommen· is, since the Minister of Food and Agricul- dations of.the PAC. Why do they not say, ture admits categorically in answer to Shri we are having an inquiry; why do they l1li)' Madhu Limaye's question that Certain we are considering having an inquiry about .financial rules had been definitely violated. this scandalous affairs? since this has gone on for a prelly long Period ·of time and since whatever accounts have already been given do not aPPear to give SHRI JAGJlVAN RAM: It has been satisfaction even to a Government which is already ClIplained that after the report of the o1>viously trying to shield this organisa- Public Accounts Committee a Committee tion .... of officials went into the details of the accounts submitted by the Bharat Scvak SHRT JAGJIVAN RAM: No, no. Samaj. The Samaj had submitted some sort of consolidated aoeoUis. As I have SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: How is it said, the ac:counts so far submitted are not that there is no definite idea about this and satisfactory in all respects. But the matter (lovernment only says that it is considering is being pursued. I have no doubt that furt- the question of having an inquiry, whether her inquiry will be necessary in the matter. it is feasible Or not or something of that sort? As I have already assured the House, as Why does not Government positively say soon as the picture is clear, (Interruption) as that an inquiry is being conducted either soon as I ha\'c Ilone into the case, appro· 'With CDI assistance or through whatever priate action whatever it may be of the two ·other agencies available? or three alternatives suggested -will be taken. SHRI M. S. GURUPADASWAMY: Pint of all, we must _ the state of SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: May I dain of the Bharat Scwak SamIij. Without ask the hon. Mini8ler, throuah you, Sir tnowIna the state of dain we annot take whether it is not a fact that the Jlharat 2099 Oral Allswers MARCH 7, 1968 Oral Allswers 2100

Sewak Samaj is doing extremely fine work the light of not one report but repeated in the rural areas in building roads, running reports from the Public Accounts Committee' schools and hospitals etc., and is it not expressing dissatisfaction with the way in- fact that 9S per cent of its employees and which funds have been used or misused office-bearers are non-Congress people 1 by the Bharat Sevak Samaj? What is it that stands in their way in agreeing to SHRI M. S. GURUPADASWAMY: appoint a Commission of Inquiry or Com- It is a fact that the Bharat Sewak Samaj mittee of Inquiry so that all the information is doing a lot of welfare and amenities would be placed before them? That is my work and has given employment to a large plea with them. May I also add that in number of people. view of the fact that Government has taken the right decision in stopping all grants since SOME HON. MEMBERS rose- 1966, would it be pleased now to advise all MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. All the State Governments also to take similar hon. Members may resume their seats. action in view of the fact that State Govern- We have already spent half an hour on this. ments also have been making grants to this The bon. Minister has given all the in- organisation? formation he has in his possession at present and perhaps he would not be able to give SHRI M. S. GURUPADASWAMY: more information now. We can have My information is that the State Govern- a half-an-hour discussion or a one-hour ments also have stopped all the grants dL.cussion at some other time. I have no and loans. We have already stopped it iJl' objection to call another half-a dozen the year. 1965 and 66. Members and take the full Question Hour for this, but I do not think the hon. Minis- SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Why do you ter will be in a position to give any further not declare it illegal ~ information at present. SHRI M. S. GURUPADASWAMY: i~ ~~ ~~ I About the other question as to what stands ~~i~ 11{ltmm- in the way of setting up an inquiry imme- diately. the only thing that is standing in our ~ $T, ~ 'fiT;:flWr ~ m-r ~ I way is that we are studying all the papers ~ !fiT{ aml ~ If>'T ~i~ ~ ~ I that have been transferred from the Planning Commission to our Ministry. Only on MR. SPEAKER: I do not mind spending the 16th of last month this responsibility was this whole hour on this question, but then thrown on us. Therefore, we are considering the one hour would be over and there cannot all the aspects and if the situation warrant be any further discussion on this. certainly we will have it. It is in our consi- deration whether we should set up an inquiry committee or not. IIf) 1!,o Of 0 wt : ~ 3RT1f\' an;;r If>'T ~~~~~~~ SOME HON. MEMBERS rose- ~ am: ~ 3IT'f it ~ ~ ~ MR, SPEAKER : Let us go to the next ,.;t ~ am: aniT ~ ;;rr ~ ~ 6T '"'" !fit question. iflIT {1m ? ~ 3IT'f ~ it ftor1!: 3I

ISSUE Of ~ ON WORLD TAMIL 'll to '1 0 lJ:iIfmIf: ~ ~ ~ ~ CONFERENCE tmT ~ ~ IflffliI; ~ ~ + ltiTt m ·480. SHRI YASHPAL SINGH ~n~~ ~~~ I ~ SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: ~ ~ ~ \37J 1f Iti'Ift" 'IT!f Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- ~~i I TIONS be pleased to state: (a) whether the special stamps issued on SHRI KANDAPPAN: Sir, the atti- the occasion of the World Tamil Conference s. tude of the Posts and Telegraphs Depart- have been sold out: ment is very regrettable in meetinl the- (b) if so, the money realised therefrom; demands of the various relional aspirations. (c) whether it is a fact that the sale of with regard to the langnage which the people these stamps was withdrawn from Post speak in a particular region. Offices in Tamilnad; and (d) if so, the reasons therefor? Even recently, it has been reported In the Press that they have refused the demand or THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE my State Gavemment to permit telearams DEPARTMENTS OF PARLIAMENTARY in Tamil. After Dr. Ram Subhag Sinah AFFAIRS AND COMMUNICATIONS assumed office, I learnt that he issued ins- (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) The sales still tructions to stop the printing of tc1caraph· continue. and other forms in English and Tamil; (b) Rs. ~ ·80 ha,c been i~ that has been the practice before. In the upto 4th February, 1968. issue of this stamp, there are many reasons and Dr. Ram Subhag Singh is maltinl the- (c) and (d). The stamp \las sold in the State Government appear as the culprit post offices in Tamilnad on the first day of saying that they have not sent the Tamil issue viz., 3rd J:!Duary, 1968. On the version or the leaend. I do not want to- advice of Ihe local authorities, the stamp enter into any controversy; it is between was withdrawn from sale from post offices the State Government and the Centre; in Madras State from 4th January, 1968. the State Government has already deDled it. Tamil is a language recognised in the- o.;rr ~ ff:ll" : ~~ ~ ~ ~ Eighth Schedule of the Constitution and it f

:script in that stamp which bas been published MR SPEAKER : Order, order. 1bcre by the P &. T Department. He talks of the has been enough trouble. Next Question. responsibility of the Government of India. The Secretary General of the Tamil Con- SHRI SEZHIYAN : Sir, just one point. ference bas himself signed it; Kindly see; The hon. Minister takes refuge behind the this is his original signature. This is from plea that just because it was sent in English tbe Chief Minister. Does Mr. Kandappan he has done that. Now, under article 120 want to throw his own mistake on the of the Constitution, a Member can speak in Government of India and more particularly English or in Hindi, he has no right to talk on the P &. T Department to hide his own in Tamil and that is why we speak in English. ,.;ins there? That should not be taken as a ground to mitigate our linguistic rights. I want to SHRI S. KANDAPPAN; My question assure the House that we have nothing was pointed and it was not at all answered. against Hindi. We arc pleading for our own Even taking for granted that they had not language. We only want to impress on the demanded, is the Centre not responsible for Minister;one thing. I want to know whether .all the fourteen languages enumerated in the facsimile sent by the Government con- the English Schedule or is the Centre res- tained any Hindi legend there, or whether the ponsible only for Hindi? Let him answer Hindi legend was introduccd by the Govern- this direct quesion.... (Intermpliolls). ment here. MR. SPEAKER: Next question. There is also another thing that I want to know from the Ministcr. In the past, so SHRI SEZHIYAN: He has made some many stamps have been issued in respect (If ~ of an aUegation and refers to the signa- the State of Madras. For example, Sub- ture of the Secretary General and the letter ramania Bharathi stamp was issued in 1960; ';n English. We talk in English because he Saint Tyagaraja stamp was issued in 1961 ; -can understand only English; he cannot I Thiruvalluvar stamp was issued in 1960; understand Tamil. I shall now put a Srinivasa Ramanujam stamp was issued in question in Tamil and let him understand 1962; High Court, Madras, stamp was .it and reply to it in his own language. issued in 1962. None of these stamps contained any Hindi legend. For the lifT '"! ~ : ~~ ~~ ~ first time, on the oceasion of this conference. i~i which was a world conference for Tamil studies, the stamp contained only a Hind i SHRI SEZHIYAN spoke in Tamil. legend. It was not recommended nor approved by the State of Madras. lIli,"! for'fq ~

SHRI S. KANDAPPAN: You did change (c) the steps taken by Government to it. lift the lock-out?

DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: No; how THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND can it be changed? REHABILITATION (SHRI HATHI): (a) to (c). A statement is laid on the table of the SHRI S. KANDAPPAN: You put the Sabha. Hindi version there. It was not there first. Why not the Tamil version be Statem"1II put? (a) Yes, from the 22nd September. 1967_ (b) About 8,500. DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: ~ it is the policy of the Government of India (c) The lockout was declared by the to bring stamps in English and Hindi. Management following a strike by the (Interruption) workers on the 21st September on a dispute resarding bonus. The dispute now relates SHRI S. KANDAPPAN: Why? to a number of other points also. including the maintenance of discipline and production DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH : It is the standards and lay-off and retrenchment on policy of the Government of India. We account of reduced orders. The Chier are not going to change it. and no amount Minister and the Labour Minister of West of pressure can make us change our policy. Bengal Government tried to conciliate in (Interruption) Because he talks about the the matter ;lnd to bring about a settlement regional languagc-· but without success. The Governor is now SHRI S . KANDAPPAN : Not regional trying to secure a basis on ~i the factory language; it is a national language. could be reopened and work resumed pen- ding final settlement of the issu

DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: We arc SHRI HATHI: This matter has been pen- not going to be cowed down by you. ding .ince September 22. The then Chief Minister, Deputy Chief Minister and Labour MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. Next Minister had a series of ~in with the Question, Shri Ganesh Ghosh. unions and the employers. The employers stated that as they have no orders, it is not possible for them to w,'rk the Industry Mis. BURN & Co., HOWRAH and that it will be necessary for thtm to t retrench about 3.000 cmp!t'yecs. They ·481. SHRI GANESH GHOSH: also wanted financial assistance to the tune SHRI P. RAMAMURTI : of Rs. 2 crorcs. That is what I find from SHRI BHAGABAN DAS: t he records. because I was not dealing with this matter in September. 1967. They said Will tbe Minister of LABOUR AND it will not be possible to employ all the REHABILITATION be pleased to stale: ~ bllt 3000 will have to be retrenched. (a) whether it is a fact that Mis. Burn to which naturally the workers did not & Co.. How\'llh have declared lock-out agree. Negotiations "ent on. hut that Oove- since October, 1967; rnment could not solve the is,slIe nor could , '2107 Oral Al/slVers MARCH 7, 1968 Oral An-was 2108 the successor Government solve it. We have SHRI HATHI: While replying to the now taken it up with some Members "f question I said that if they have no work, Parliament. Perhaps the hon. member that can be taken care of. But that is not also met me 3 or 4 days back. I am in touch the handicap. Even if they get orders, they with the Governor during the last 3 or 4 say they cannot immediately start the fac- days and he is trying to settle it. tory with the full number of workers and that 3000 workers will have to be retrenched SHRI D. C. SHARMA : May I know whether it was due to the policies of the SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH : A large num- UP Government which was in the ~ for ber of labour disputes took place in Calcutta sometime in West Bengal that some of these particularly and in West Bengal in general factories came to be closed in Calcutta and during thc United Front regime and most other parts of West Bengal and whether of them were definitely not out of any consi- this unemployment was due to the policies deration for workers but because of mis- whieh they pursued? guided politically motivated trade unionism. Out of nearly 7,000 trade unions in Cal- SHRI HATHI: I would only give the fact cutta, there arc people who are secretaries that this happened at the time when that in more than 100 trade unions. There arc ministry was in office in West Bengal. monopolist trade unionists who are Presi- dents of more than 50 trade unions. May SHRI S. S. KOTHARI : May I know I know from the Govemment how many whether it is a fact that the company con,i- trade unions arc there in this Burn & Com- ders that if it reopens the factory, perhaps pany which is under lock-out and how many it will incur more losses than it was incurring Presidents and Secretaries of the trade when it was closed and that is why it is unions of Burn & Company are officc- 1cecping 11 deliberately closed? Is it also a bearers of other trade unions either as fact that it requires about Rs. 1 crore to Presidents or as Secretaries? reopen? If so, what is the minister doing in TCprd to these two questions? SHRI HATH I : I have not got that information. There are think 5 SHRI HATHl : It is true that the com- trade unions in that oompany. pany wants financial assistance to the tune of Rs 2 crores. I t also feels it cannot SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: I hope the function unless some orders are placed. labour Minister would take the trouble of So far as the question of orders is concerned, understanding my question. Bum & we can look into it and give them work. Company enjoys allocation of quotas for The question of money also can be solved. many controlled ,;tcms and they are seeing But the question is they want that 3000 to it that quota does not go to any other employees will have to be retrenched. party which could fabricate it and thereby That is the main difficulty, not the other two increase the gross national product. Under points which can be solved. I have given the circumstances, may I ask the labour two or three formulae to the Governor and Minister whether he will consider the que>- three formulae to the Governor and he is tion of bringing pressure on Burn .& Com- trying to settle it. pany and make it surrender that quota for controlled items or, altem'ltively, open DR. RANEN SEN: Last year,in 1967, the factory and usc them? before the lock-out was declared by the company, both the Standard Waggon MR. SPEAKER: If the Minister has no Company and Burn Company, which arc answcr, it need not be answered. under the same management of Martin- Bum get an order of nearly 6000 waggons ~ iIf : iflIT ~ 'R' ~ ~ lit> from the Railway Board and in spite of that, m they decided to impose a lock-out and the ~~~~~~i~~ delivery of the orders is being delayed. ;;fA ~ ~ ;rff gaIT 'IT lit> "' .. '4lf(4-j May I know why the Government of India ~ if ~ ~ aiR IPfifT cannot make both these firms make delivcl y u.m of the orders as soon as possilbe ~ ~ ~ ~~ u.m of Ifi'Mt ? ~ 2109 Oral AIISwers PHALGUNA 17. 1889 (SAKA) Oral AII.m.",s 2110

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SHRI LOBO PRABHU: Since the Minis- ~~ ter has made it clenr that the whole issue now is in re.pect of 3,000 employees, I • 482. ,,) ~ f,"", : ~ M. ~ would like to ask this simple question ~ fiI; : whether for the protection of these 3,000 lit .m-1IiT rn workers the Government is holding up the ("') ~ ~i~~ working of this factory. Who will pay for it? WiIJ the country pay for these 3.000 if; anmT II>'T am: m.ro ~ t fiI; cmplolyees7 Under these circumstances. may ~ if ~ ~ ~ ~ if If.Tl1ftt ~ I know whether the Government would 'II;nn' ~ ~ IIiT ~ refer this matter for adjudication so that m Jmf.' Of(t both parties could present their case and mjam: 2111 Oral A n.\"Ivers MARCH 7, 1968 Oral Answtts 2112

(v) lIR ~ ~ ihrom: ~ lifT '"' ~ ;;it "ifo\'R ~ ~~ ;tt ~ t ~ ~ ~ i~~ ~ (mir 3TU<'ffl i~ ~ ~ 'IT , ~ THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE , aT if MINISTRY OF LAW (SHRI M. YUNUS ~i~~~ SALEEM) (a) No, Sir. i~~~~~~i (b) Does not arise. ~~~ i~ .n ~ f"",,, : ~ if iiIif ~ g~~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ omrm ~ R;rr f'\' ~ am: om ~ 3T1'f ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ if f<;m, ~~~ ~ ~ I" 3T'f.r q;: fiRR am: ~ ~ ~~ it fuvr i~ ~i .i.. q,! f"ll1'Q : 'R ?

lifT ,!o ~ m'f : ~i ~ 1If! '! 0 'lorn «<'f'r'f: ~ ltiT i~~ ~g ~ ~ ~ ~ ;f.T ~ 'I'i1: fw ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ iIlIR All the petitions which were pending f'RT ~ ~ fifi ~ crTffi if ~ hefore the Election Tribunal noW stand iii~n ~i transferred to the High Court and they are i~~~~ heing looked into. ~i ~ 'lmi<'l'

~i~~~ sm INDER J. MALHOTRA; May I 1cnow from the hon. Minister whether he ~ 'flii If(Y ~ ~ ~ # is in a position to clarif'y the misunder- i~~~~ standinS that durinS the last General Elcc- in~ the method and procedure adopted in Jammu and Kashmir State was, in any 0 ~~ ~ lilT q ll;n:t mftq: ;jfIqi way, different than the method and proce- ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ qfro:r 'I{f m-r dure adopted in other parts of the country: ;m lIlT fit; If ~~i

lilt q 0 tf;m m:f[q : ~ ~ ij''l': ~~ ~ 1f<: ~ WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS l!.f'fi'lf ~ q. I omr ~ m ~ ~ If\: ~ fil;if ~ ~ fif> ~ m1 it ait?l' 3ffifi Q,f<'lf"l4"*l ~ (li) ~ ffi ~ ~ f.t;aift ~ii~~~ I ~~ ~ arR ~ om 'm1IT ~ ~ 3ffifi ~ if ;;it ~ (q) 'I4T ~ cft;r ~ if ~ ~~ ~~i i~ni ~~ lti't ~ ~ li ~ fu«c fir.li m qe:rffif aft<: iJ'ifiI' 'Ii't ~ ~ sryt(f ~ 'i I ~ ;;it <'f\1r ;n;:r.r ~ ~ ~~ am arf.t ~ ~ ~ fif;lf ~ I ~ IfI1Im 0!U<'rn it. mqit ~ t ;;IT am<'I'1f (tr) ~ ffi ~ ~ ~ i~~ ~~~ ~ am :a'if 1f<: ~ rnr ~ ~ ~ ~~ ? MllLSS/68-2 2115 Written AII .• we,.. MARCH 7, 1968 Writtell Answer.. 2116

~ ~ "' ~ While there is no proposal to change the 100 ~ ~ ~ ~ functions of the present set up as an experi- ('1'r mental measure, inii~ have been ;;ft ~ I requested to circUlate minutes of the meet- ings of Informal Consultative Committees ( ~ ) 5IVo'r tT ~ \3Offi" I to Members: they have also been adviscd that if on a particular issue there is a general ~ ('f). ;;ft ~ I ~ ~ am: consensus of opinon, it should be nOlmally rnr :;m: ~ n~ fot;u: ;;if.t .iT ~ ~ ~ ~i~~in >.ir n~ ~ mri : ~ o..t"t ~~~ """" ~ : W ~ ~ i"'IT ~ INfORMAL CONSULTAllVI. COMMITlHS W:fr 'for f'li : ·484. SHRI C. K. CHAKRAPANI : SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : ( 'f.) W l:J1!: ~ ~ f'li ~ ~i SHRIMATI SUSEELA GOPALA N ~ +nITlI'iF!:f

(b) if so, the details thereof; and (d) the i~ thereof? (e) the steps Government propose to take to stop the wage cut offensive of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 111m ,-\wncrs? MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE COMMUNITY DEVEWPMENT AND THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB REHABILITATION (SHRI HATHl): (a) SHINDE): (a) Yes, Sir. A Bill to amend the No such proposal has been received by the Rice Milling Industry (Reauiation) Act, Go\,crnmcnt. 1958 in this connection has been passed (b) and (c). Do nC't i~ by the Rajya Sabha on 13th February, 1968 and is awaiting consideration in by the Lok Sabha.

RURENCHMENT IN I.C.A.R. (b) Precise figures arc not available. But il is estimated tlUlt about ninety percent of ·4R7. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN: the rice mills al present arc of the huUer SHRI GANESH GHOSH type. SHRI K. ANIRUDHAN: (c) alid (d). As a first ~ ~ SHRI UMANATH: modemization of rice mills in the country,. the Government have set up seven modern 'Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- rice mills in i~ intensive agricul- CULTURE be pleased to state: tural district programme area, for a pilot (a) "hether it is " fact that 30,000 em- study and programme of evaluation. A ployee... including scientists working in the tentative plan for setting up of new modem Ind",,: C"uncil of Agricultural Research ,icc mills and also for improving the existing will b: ~ from the I sl April, mills, by introducing modern techniques 1968: during the Fourth Plan has also been drawn (b) if "', the reasons therefor: and up. These proposals arc still under consi- (e) ~ ,tel's taken by Government to deration. Arrangements have also been provide' "Irernativc' j(lhs to them? made to get these modern equipments fabri- cated indigenously for facilitating a rapid THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE nlodcrnj7..ation I"rogramme, MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, The Rice Milling Industry (Regulation) COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND Act, 1958 is heing amended to take power. COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB to ine-orporate conditions in the pennits and SHIN DE) (a) No, Sir. licences to ensure that the rice mills both (b) and (c). Do not arise. neW and existing are equipped with modem machineries and usc modern technololY.

MOOERNISATION OF Rlef Mil L"i ELECTION Of PRESIDt:NT AND VICf-PIUSlf>I!NT ·48R. SHRI RABI RAY: Will the 01· INDIA Mini,ter of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE be rlca,ed to state: *489. SHRI JUGAL MONDAL: Will (a) whether Government have decided t he Minister of LAW be plen..,d to state: to prefer publi" scctM undertakings and (a) Whether Government ha"c decided rcgbt..:n:d co-operative societies exclusive!} ~ !ooccurilY ~i and uther '-.:llOditiona. of f,,"mers in granting permits for >etting for the election of President and Vice. up r;cc mills and further to declare defunct President; and any r (I.:\..' mm not operating for more than a yca"; (b) if so, the broad details thereof?

(b) if ~ how many rice mills which are THE MINISTER OF LAW (SHRI at present using outmoded machinery: GOVINDA MENON): (a) and (b) 1he (c) the steps which Government have matter is under consideration of taken to modernize them; and Government. 2119 Wrintn Answers MAIlCH 7, 1968 Wrlntll Answers 2120

OvEIISEAS CoNMVNlCAnoNS SERVICE propose to abolish or reduce the subsi dy on fertilisers and manures distributed to -490. SHRI PRBM CHAND VERMA: asriculturists; and will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS (b) if so, the reasons therefor? be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that on the 31st THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 'THE March, 1965, the book debts of the Depart- MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, ment of Overseas Communications Service COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND stood at Rs. 96'03 lakhs out of which debts COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHm Demore than Rs. 15 lakhs were more than SHINDE): (a) and (b). At present the two years old; subsidiCll allowed are the following:- (b) if so, how these large amounts had (i) Subsidy of ~~ of the C.I.F. become accumulated and the steps which cost subject to a maximum of lb. have been taken to realise the dues; and 78 per M.T. on Muriate of Potash. (c) the extent of Sundry debts as on the (it) A subsidy of Rs. 30 per M.T. on 31st March, 1967 and the amount which ground rock-phosphate. was due for more than two years 7 In the light of the recommendation of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Agricultural Prices Commission, to reduce DEPARTMENTS OF PARLIAMENTARY fertiliser subsidies in two stages and ~ AFFAIRS AND COMMUNICATIONS op)nion of the National ~~ (SHRI I. K. GUIRAL): (a) As on 31st Council in favour of elimination of subsi- March, 1965, the book debts of the Over· dies the question of witbdrawing these seas Communications Service were of the subsidies is under consideration. order of Rs. 96'03 lakhs, out of which an amount of Rs. 4·8 I lakbs only was more A subsidy of 20 % on nitrogenous ferti- than two years old. lisers and 40 % on phosphatic fertilisers is (b) The book debts represent mostly the available in backward areas of Manipur, amounts due to the Overseas Communi. Tripura and Andamans and Nicobar Is- cations Service from Foreign Administra- lands. In 1968-69, the subsidy will be tions in respect of telccommunications reduced to 15% on nitrogenous and 25% traffic balances. Normally, it takes about 7 on phosphatic fertilisers. The rate of to 8 months to settle traffic balances with subsidy for fertilisers used in Laceadive and Foreign Administrations. ~ amounts duc Minicoy Islands is 75 % for demonstration to Overseas Communications Service us on plots and SO % for general usc. 31st March, 1965 have since been settled, The Pool ~ prices of fertilisers from eXCept for a sum of Rs. 4·81 lakhs (post- the Central Fertiliser Pool were revised devaluation figure Rs. 7·59 lakhs) whieh is upward from 1st Apil, 1967 to reduce the due from the United Arab Republic. The losses suffered by the Pool. A loss of matter has been taken up with the Govern· Rs. 15 crores had been originally anticipated. ment of United Arab Rcpublic at diplo- Hoever, due to lower procurement prices matic level to expedite settlement of these of imports, the loss to the Pool is expected dues. to be considerably reduced. The Issue (e) The book debts as on 31st March 1967 Prices of fertilisers from the Central Fert.. were of the order of Rs. 244'97 lakhs. out Iiser Pool wiII continue to be fixed on a of which a sum of Rs. 7·59 lakhs due for 'No profit, no loss' basis. United Arab Republic has becn outstanding for more than two yeurs. RESTJUcnoN ON USE OF Cl'REAl.S IN HOTELS SUBSIDY ON FERTJUSERS *491. SHRI P. VISWAMBHARAN .492. SHRI M. L. SONDHI: Will the SHRI MANGALATHUMADAM: Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- be pleased to state: CULTURE be pleased to state: (a) whether Government propose to lift (a) whether it is a fact that Governmcnt the ban on the use of cereals in hotels OD. 212t Written Answ4!l'1 PHALGUNA 11, 1889 (SAKA) Written Answers 2122

Mondays in view of the lOod prospects of SHlNDE): (a) Accordina to All-India foods crops this )'eIII': and Second Estimate of Suprcane. 1967-68, (b) if so. when this ban is likely to be 2050 thousand hectarea (S066 thousand removed? acres) Is under sUlJIU'CBne crop_ On the hasis of yields per hoc:tare obtainina in the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE country it is not sufficient to meet the ~ MINISTRY OF FOOD. AGRICULTURE. quirements of sugar mills as well as khand- COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND sari manufacturers. COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB (b) In order to increase supply of supr- SRINDE): (a) and (b). The ban has already cane to the factories Government propose been lifted in Delhi. No infonnation to provide incentives to prevent further about the lifting of the ban nor any pro- diversion of areas from sugarcane 10 other posal., to that effect have yet been received crops, to secure the reversion of area recently from the other States. lost to sugarcane and generally to improve production per hectare.

FOOD SITUAnON IN WEST BENGAL (c) Yes, Sir. (d) Improved varieties with higber ·493. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY: sucrose content have been evolved, 1ViII the Minister of FOOD ANJi) AGRI- Several new techniques for sugarcane culti- CULTURE be pleased to state: vation and methods for the control of Ca) whether food situation in West Bengal insect pests and diseases have been perfected_ has further deteriorated; and (b) if so. whether any assistance is being ~ ~ 3ffeff'l' ~ armr given to the State? * 495. ~ ~i ~ wmfT: ~ mE MINISTER OF STATE IN TIlE Qf11r """ !iflll' ~ ~ ~ ~ PIT MINISTRY OF FOOD. AGRICULTURE. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND rn fit; : COOPERATION (SHRI ANNA SAHIB (IF) ~ ~ ~ affil"N ~ SHINDE) : (a) No, Sir. ~ ~ ll'V'f

(b) if so, the results thereof; and States, and having reprd to the fact tIud (c) the steps which Government propose local development admini!lll'ation baaed, to take to !rtrengthen these institutions? on democratic decentralisation is a growiog process, it would not be correct to say that THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Panchayati Raj has failed to achieve its MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, objective. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT' AND (b) Docs not arise. COOPERATION (SHRI M. S. GURU. PADASWAMY). (a) to (c). Review of the (c) Amongst the States where Paneha- working of Panchayati Raj institutions is yati Raj institutions, clothed by Ihe State a continuing process. A number of Study Governments with comparatively fuDer Teams set up by the Centre have from time authority and responsibility. ~ done to time. examined different aspects of the better in resource utilisation and g~ Paochayati Raj system, such as the Gram implementation. mention may be made of Sabha, Nyaya Panchayats. Budgeting and Maharashtra, Madras, GUJarat and Rajas- Accounting procedures, Audit of Accounts, than. Finances. Elections, Incentives and Safe· guards. The Annual Conferences on PRICE OF SUGAR Community Development and Panchayali ~ have regularly gone into these and ·498, SHRI S. C. SAMA NT... : Will allied issues 10 work out agreed approaches the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL- for future action. These arc duly followed TURE be pleased to State: up with the State Governments who arc responsible for implementation. Several (a) the reasons why food articles other Slate Governments have also appointed than sugar are available on slighlly higher Teams of lbeir own to study the working of rates, While sugar is selling at m,'rc than the Panchayati Raj set-up in the States. 200 per cent; The measures recommended have been (b) whether the manufacture of gur with a view, in the main, 10 make these and Khandsari is still more profitable institutions m

PANCIIAYATI RAJ PROGRAMMF THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGR1CCLTURE. *497. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA: COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI· COOPERATION (SHRI ANNA SAHIB CULTURE be pleased to stale: SHINDE): (a) The controlled prices of (a) whether it is a fact that the Paneha· sugar this year in different zones are higher yati Raj programme failed 10 achieve the only by 7 10 13 per cent as compared with desired objective; the average prices in those ?Ones last year. The increase is due to increa.e in Ihe mini- (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and mum price of sugarcane. The open mar- (e) if not. the States in which it has been ket prices, however, range from Rs. 350 suceessful and what are its achievements? to Rs. 380 per quintal of sugar, as compared with controlled zonal prices which raAae THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE between Rs. 145 and Rs. 169· 50 per quintal MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, and which are based on the minillllllR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND price of cane. The open market prices COOPERATION (SHRI M. S. GURU· are high because the factories have 10 com- PADASWAMY): (a) Considering the pensate themselves for prices higber fIIan relatively short periods over which the the minimum paid by them for 5UIBI'C&De system has been in operation in different on the entire production. '2125 W,;lten Answers PHALGUNA 17; 1-889 (SAKA) Wri411rn Anlwenr ~

(b) The supr mills are now able to com- (d) tlte measures beina 1akea.'\IW Go.rn- 'pete with the manufacturers of gur and ment to PRlWllt the recunence of such 'Khaodsari at dift'erent prices for SUllllrcane irreaularities ? in dift'erent areas. THE MINISTER OF LAW (SHRI (.:) Does nol arise. GOVINDA MENON): (a) to (c). Reports have not yet been received from the State Government of Jammu and Kashmir in DtSTlUBUTlON OF FrRTll.lzrRS respect of the complaints referred to them. However, no action CIIn be taken in respect ·499, SHRI D. N. PATODIA: (If t he complaints relatina to imprOper SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU: rejection of nomination papers until after I he disposal of the election petitions Bllesing Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- such improper rejection. '·CULTURE be pleased to ,tate: (a) whether it is a fact thaI the pro- (d) The measures to be taken to pre_t gramme Evaluation Organisation of the t he recurrence of irregularities in future Planning Commission ha, made some will be decided afler the judgements of suggestions in rell3rd to the Ibalion of Ihe High Court in the eleclion petitions largets and distribution or fertilisers in the ha ve been deli verell. -country: (b) if so, what are theil' rcc,'mmcnd:uions: and PENSIONS TO WIDOWS OF RUNNEaS IN (e) the reaction of Government thereto? PosTAL DEPARTMENT

THE MINISTER OF STATE 1]'0; THE ·501. SHRI A. DlPA: Will the Miniltcr MINISTRY OF FOOD. AGRICULTURE, of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND state: ,COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB (a) Whether it is a fact that the widows . SHINDE): (a) to (c). The Report of the of Runners in the Postal DepartDlC1lt arc Programme Evaluation Organisation of entitled to life pension and other allow- the Planning Commission on "Study .)ft ances in the event of the death of their the use of Fertilisers and Manures in Agri- husbands and; cultural Production" has been received recentl" and is being examined. (b) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE IRREGULARmrs IN REJF("Tlor< Of ~ DEPARTMENTS OF PARLIAMENTARY NATION PAPERS IN JAMMli "SO KASHMTR AFFAIRS AND COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL):

Reprdlnl CODJpaaiollllte lII'atuity, this (e) Delhi Administration have issued a' is paid UDder certain COIIditiOllS u-",.ID warnin& to ration shops that serious action: BIId is subject to a muimum of 12 months' would be taken if any such case of refusal-' pay or aUowanc:es of the dec:eased. to issue sugar came to their notice.

AMENDMENT OF BONUS Ac::r IMpORT OF FI!RTIUZERS ·502. SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK : Will the Minister of LABOUR AND RE- ·504. SHRI D. N. PATODIA : Will the HABILITATION be pleased to state: Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE Ca) whether any steps have been taken to be pleased to state: amend the payment of Bonus Act after the (a) whether it is a fact that during the Supreme Court's judgement declaring next financial year, over one milliC'n nn~ certain Provisions of the Act as ultra of fertiliser would be imported into India; we.; and (b) whether it is also a fact that due 10 (b) if so, the nature thereof? congestion in the ports, the ships carrying fertilizers have to be detained unnecessarily THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND fpr a long time and consequently heavy REHABILITATION (SHRI HATHI) : demurrage is paid: (a) and (b). The situation arising out (c) whether the demurrage paid gees in!o' of the decision of the Supreme Court was th" calculation of determining the price considered by the Standing Labour Commit- of tbe fcrtili7crs; and tcc and also by a bi-partite Committe.: constituted by it. No agreement could. (d) if so, the arrangements which have however, be reached between the parties on been made to unload the fertilizer vessels the several proposals and counter proposals early? put forward. Government prrposc to watch for sometime whether the practical oPera- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tion of ~ existing bonus formula imposes MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, any substantial hardship on workers before COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND con,idering any changes. COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHm SHINDE) : (a) The imports tentatively plan ned for 1968-69 are 1 . 4S million tonnes ~ OF SUG.R AND RICI' FROM of 'iitrogen. 0·230 million tonnes of P20 S RATION SHOPS IN DELHI "nJ 0·200 million tones of K20.

·S03. SHRI YASHPAL SINGH: Will I b) Generally . there had been no abnormal tbe Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- delay in berthing of fertiliser vessels at the CULTURE be pleased to state: POrlS. The incidence of demurrage charges

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·505. SHRI MADHU LIMAYE : Will 507. SHRI MAnHU UMAYE: WID tho Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL- the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL- TURE be pleased to state : TURE be pleased to state : (a) whether Government's attention bas (a) whether Govermnent's attention bas been drawn to the evidence given by the been drawn to the evidence Jiven by the former Director General of Food in the former Director General of Food In tile election Petition against Shri George Fer- election Petition against Shri George Fer- nandes before Justice Kantawala of Bombay nandes before Justice Kantawala of Bombay High C('urt in September, 1967; High Court in September, 1967; (b) whether the Food Department or (b) whether the Director General of any of its officers referred the matter cf the Food ever tried to determine whether Apccjay Shipping Lines' circular letter to the Apeejay Shipping Lines' Circular to its Ship Commanders received in the Food the Shipping Commanders represented an. Ministry in 1962, to the-Transport Minis- '11 tempt to cheat; and try for opinion and action; and (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (e) if not. the reasons therefor? THE ~ OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND COOPERAlION (SHRI ANNASAHIB COOPERATION (SHR! ANNASAHIB SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. SHINDE) : (a) Yes. Sir. (b) and (e). The record, of the case do (b) No, Sir. not show that the then Director General of (C) The record docs n,)1 show any specific Food tried to determine this issue per- re:Isons for not referring the matter to the "lOally. Since. however, the Circular did Tran>port Minislry, but eVidently all neces- disclose an attempt to cheat. immediate sary precautionary action to safeguard the actiun was ","-ell to foil any such attempt. Government's interests 1m" ing been taken in the Department of rood. no further PRins OF FOOOCoRAI"S action was perhaps deemed neCessary. ·sa8, SHRI n. N. PATODIA: Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE STATUTORY RAno:-;IM. I" Dam he pleased '" state: '506. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: (a) whether it is a fact that despite a Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- good crop and reported sati,factoryprogrcss CULTURE be pkased to state: of procurement of foodgeains. the price.' (a) whether it is a fact that Government of foodgeains have not come duwn ap- propose'" end statutory rntioning in Delhi: prc-ciably and in fact the price of rice has and been rising in some State>: and (b) if ~ the llccision laken in the (b) if so. the reasons therefor? mattl.!f'! THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. MINISTRY OF FOOD. AGRICULTURE. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND COOl'ERATION (SARI ANNASAHlB SHINDE) : la) No. Sir. Compared to the COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB SHINDE) : (a) and (b). The Government pre-harvest peak prices the prices of Cereals of India has aCCePted the suggeMion of the as a group have fallen by 10· 5 ~~ and pulses Delhi Administration that with effect from as a group by 15· I ~~ There arc variations in th.: degree of fall in I'rices of rice in 21st February, J9611. indigenous wheat and rice may be aUowed to be sold in the oPen various States. They have. however, not market in addition to Government grain registered a rise in any State. under the rationing system. (b) Docs not arise. 2131 Written A,/3wer., MARCH 7, 1968' W rilten Answers 2131

INDIAN Rf.PATRlATES I'ROM BURMA SHINDE) : (a) and (b)l Yes. A short term loan of Rs. 200·00 lakhs has been s;mc- 3107. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will tioned to the GO!lenunenl of Andhra lbe Minister of LABOUR AND REHA- Pradesh for the purchase and distribution BILITATION be pleased to state: of improved seeds during the year 1967-68. (a) the number of Burmese repatriates thut entered India so far during the last PROCURf.MI'.NT OF PADDl' AND RICE five years and the States where they have BY FOOD CORPORA1'ION OF INDIA been settled with their numhers in each State; 3109. SHRI .M. N. REDDY: Will the (b) whether it is a facl Ihal the Go\ern- !-.liniSler of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE ment of Assam ha'e protesled 10 Ihe Cenlral be pleased 10 state: Government that il was nOI in a position 10 (a) the quantity of paddy and rice Pro- accommodate un) more ~ ..: repatriates cured by the Food Corporal ion of India in that State: and in Nizamabad District (Andhra Pradesh) (c) the reason, as to why the,e Burmese Juring the last kharif season ul" to Ihe end repatriates came into India ': of Januar), I \l6R; (b) the priee of various "'rirti,,: of THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE paddy and rice, paid by the Food Corpora- MINISTRY OF LABOUR. EMPLOY- lion of India per quintal during the above MENT AND REHABILITATION (SHRI period; D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) 1,59.700 persons of Indian origin ha\'e arrived in India from (c) the price at which the Food Corpo- Burma from June. 1963 upto 1O-2-6B. A ration of India Nizamabad supplied various statement showing the statc-wise distri- varieties of rice to rationing authorities bution of the repatriates is laid on the and other allencies in Hydcrabad ,luring Table of the House. [Placed i" Library. last three months; and Set' No. LT-376/68). (d) the basis :on which this price was (b) Yes. The Government of Assam have, determined. however, been requested to accept repatria- tes who belonged to Assam or had roots THE MINISTLR OF STATE IN THE there. MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. (c) For lack of employment opportuni- COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ties and nationalisation of trade and COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB business in Burma. SHINDE) : (a) and (b). The Food Cor- poration of India procured a quantitY of 41·15 thousand lonnes of rice and 8·3 LoAN ASSISTANCE lOR PURCHASE OF thousand tonnes of paddy in Nizamabad IMPROVED SEll" District (Andhra Pradesh) during the last kharif season UP 10 end of January. 1968, at 3108. SHRI G. S. RI:DDI : Will Ihe the following pl'ices:- Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURF be pleased to state: (Rs, per quintal) (a) whether Government :Ire making available loan to the Andhra Pradesh . Government for the purchase of hybrid Rice: varieties of padd) and mille" during this Superfine 109·31 year: and Fine 86·42 Coarse 72·69 . (b) if so, the details thereof7 Paddy: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Superfine 70'00 MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, Fine 55,00 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND Coarse 46·811 .COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB 2133 Written A,/Swers PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (8AKA) Written Am'IVt'rs 2134

(c) Nizamaba.d branch of the Corpora- under broad Heads of De\'clopme!lt ~ tion did not supply ricc direct to the T'dtion- ·Minor Irrigation' etc., and not Scheme- ing IIllthorities but the stocks were moved to wise. AD outlay of Rs. 300·00 Iakhs has 'Hyderabad and alongwith the .tocks re- been approved by the Planning Commission ceived from other arc"s the rice was for Andhra Pradesh for 1968-69 for their rdeased in rationed arcas at the following . Minor rrrigation' programme, as a whole. iSsUe ,.,rices : It is for the State Government to utilise the allocation in accordan"e with their (Rs. per quintal) needs. Superfine rice ~ Fine " 101·65 Coarse " 83 ~ DlfSEL OIL FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES

(d) The issue pricc' is determined by the 3111. SHRI G. S. REDDI : Will the Stale Government taking into account ex- Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTl:RE milI price, handling and (ransport ,'harges, ~ pleased to state: godown rent, swrage

A80LmON O. LAND REVENUE IN DBLHI (d) if so, the details thereof?

3112. SHRI CHENGALRAY A NAlDU : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI DEIVEEKAN : MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. SHRI ANBUCHGZHIAN : COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND COOPERATION (SURI ANNASAHIB SHINDE) : (a) Yes. Will the Minister or FOOD AND AGRI- CULTURE be pleased to state: (b) The total resources available for development purposes are bound to suffer (a) whether it is a fact that the Delhi depIction as a result of the abolition of Aaministration has recommended for the land revenue unless the State Governments abolition of land revenue in Delhi; concerned tap alternative sources to malc.e (b) if so, the reaction of Government good the loss. thereto; (c) and (d). Land Revenue being a State (c) whether it is also a fact that GOvern- subject, the question of tbe Central Govern- m"'"t have asked the Administration to ment issuing any directions in this regard S\lUCSt 3n alternative to land revenue on docs not arise. n~ni holdings; and (d) if so, when a final deCision i, likcll to be taken in this regard? . CENTRAL SON. CONSERVATION BoARD THE MINISTER 01- STATE IN THE MINISTR Y OF FOOD. AGRICUL- TURE, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT 3114. SHRI ~ RAJ: Willthc Minis- AND COOPERATION (SHRI ANNA- tcr of FOOD AND j\GRICULTURE be SAHIB SHINDE) : (a) ~ Delhi Admi- pleased to stale: nistration has forwarded a proposal to the (a) Whether the Central Soil Conserva- G.:ntral Government recommending the tion Board ha, heen constituted: and abolition of land reVenue 011 uneconomic holdings. (b) if so, the ~iin ~n

(b) The matter is stillundcr consideration. THE MINISTFR OF STATE TN THE (.;) and(d). The Delhi Administration ha, MINISTR Y OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, ~n asked the manner in which they pro- COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND pJ.;C to make up the likely ddickncy in COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHlB feVcnuc. The matter will be further examin- SHINDE) : ~ and (b). The Central Soil ed on reCeipt of the information. Con_ervation Board, originally constituted by the Government of India in December, 1953, consisted or ollk:ials of the Ministry ABOLITION OF LAND REVENUE O!'. of Irrigation & Power and Department (If SMALL HOLDINGS Agriculture, under the Chairmanship of Union Minister or Deputy Minister (Agri- 3113. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Will culture) and was functioning in an advisory the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL- capacity. The Government of India haw: TURE be pleased to state: recently reviewed the working of this Board (a) whether it is a fact that some of and have come to the conclusion that in tbe State Governments have abolished land view of other high-level Committees already revenue on small holdings; functioning to advise on policy matters, no useful purpose will be served by CODti- (b) if so, its likely impact on the raising nuins a separate Soil Conservation Boiu'd. of resources by the States for develop- The Board has, therefore, been wound up, ment purposes; The technical matters relating to various (c) whether Government have issued any soil conservation prosrammcs are discussed directi Oti to the State Governments in between ollicials in Committee meetinp tbe matter: and whenever needed. ' 2137 Writ"" AlISWns PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Written AlISWer, 2138

EMPLOYMENT EXCIlANOI!6

311 S. lIf"t ~ .. Wtmf : ;m 3116. SHRI G. C. DIXIT : Will the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- "I'{ ~ ~ ~ lift 9JCIT m fiI; : TATION be pleased to state: ~ ~~i 1965-66 am: (a) whether it is a fact that most of 1966-67 if ~ ;it am; ~~ the employers in public sector and tbose ~ngg in non-agricultural activities in ~ lfiT f.rImr fif;lrr IT1lT 'IT; Madhya Pradesh are not submittinl to Employment Exhanges a quarterly return (v) ~~ ~i ~ ~ ~ in resPeCt of their staff strength, vacancIes ~~ aff;;rn- lift ;rt; and sbortages and a biennial return showing occupational distribution of tbeir (q-) eN 1968-69 if; 3RI' O

  • ('f) ~ ~ ~ ~ aff;;rn- THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND ~~~~ REHABILITATION (SHRI HATHI) : (a) No. (b) and (c). 00 not arise. ~~~ ifqT ~ ~ if ~ ~ (11ft to fO ~ : ~ MEMORANDUM FROM THE REPRr,sENTAm·[ S ;;ft, ~ I OF KERAlA ~ FRONT CooRDINAnoN COMMIl7FE (v) ~~~~ ~~ ii1r.m:, imT ~~i ~ ~ f.rImr 3117. SHRI E. K. NAYANAR : Will the ~ 1965-66 am: 1961;-(;7 ~ Mini,ter of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE m..r be "leased to state: aff;;rn- ~~ lfiT 0!Iiu ~ rn (a) whether the Prime Minister received cm:rr ~ fmvr ~i 'l'G<'f ~

    FRUIT CULTIVATION of the Director of the Institute has been temporarily set up at Banplorc and will be 3118. SARI BABURAO PATEL: Will ultimately shifted to Hessaraghat as soon Ihe Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL- as the buildings are constructed there. TURE be pleased to state : (b) The Institute has been sanctioned at present upto the end of Fourth Five (a) the total acreage under fruit cultiva- the Year Plan at an estimated cost of Rs. 42 ·27 tion, State-wise. in lQ67 and the typ<:s "I' fruit grown; and lakhs. (Rs. 23·44 lakhs as Recurring and Rs. 18 '83 lakhs as Non-Recurring). The (b) whether the acreage has increased as ~i annual cost of running the Insti- a result of the Five Year Plans and if so. tute is given below ;- b.ow mueh? (R,. in lakhs) ---.--.. -- 1.1967-68 2·19 THE MINISTER OF STATE THE IN 2. 1968-69 11·91 MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. 3. 1969·70 . 18·88 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND 4. 1970·71 9·2Q COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHT'B SHINDE): (3) The total acreage under (c) Thin)' fll"r. different fruits State-wise for the year 1966-67 is not available at prescnt. A Statement HINDI TEI.IPHo" DIRITrORY IN DlLHI showing State-wise area under important fruits for the year 1964-65 is laid on the 3120. SHRI. BAUURAO PATEL; Will Table of the HOllse. [Placed ill Library. Sec Ihe Minister or COMMUNICATIONS be No. LT·379/68j pleased to i~ (b) Yes. Sir. The area under fruits in· fa) lhl2" number (,I' c(lpic'i of the Hindi creased in the Second Five Year Plan ~ Tdcpillln('" Dirct.:\llry f(,r the Ddhi Zone O' 84 lakh hectares and I' 35 lakh hectares pl'Ill\cd hy the P(lq, and Telegraph, Depart· during the 3rd Five Year Plan. ment r.... ~n and it-- (,(1st;

    (h) whether it i .. a fact that n~n INSTITl'TE Of HORlICllLTURL Departments ~ particularly indifferent to the punlieation "r the Hindi Directory; and 3119. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will (C) whether Government are contemp lat- the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL· ing \(l print the Hindi Telephone Directories TURE be pleased to stalc : in ~ Stat,-'", also and if so, in which (a) the time by which the Institute of States? HOJliculture will start at Hessaragha\ta; THL MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the cost of establishing it and Ihe DEPARTMENTS OF PARLIAMENTARY annual cost of running it; and AFFAIRS AND COMMUNICATIONS (c) the number of scientists Ihat will he (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) No Hindi employed by the Institute? telephone directory has so fa.. been ['rinted. for the Delhi Tdephone District. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE but Ihe work is in hand. The Posts and MINISTRY OF FOOD. AGRICULTURE. Telegraphs Departllleni eXPects 10 bring COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND out I M.OOO copies initially. Information COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHl1I regarding cost cannot be given at prescnt SHIN DE) : (a' The setting up of the as the tenders regarding printing arc still Institute of Horticulture al Hessaraghalla to be tinali!oocd. was sanctioned with effect from the 30th (b) N". August. 1967. Its name was n~ changed to "Institute of Horticultural (c) Yes. In U.P., Bihar, Rajasthan and Research." The National Hortorium, Hes- M.P. States and also cities of Bombay and sarqbatta of the Govt. of Mysore, which HyderBbad, U.P. and Bihar CircletelePbotlc is to Corm a nucleus of the Institute. has been directories have already been published fcr over with effect from 1-2·1968. The Office the first time. 2141 Written AlI.!'wers PHALOUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Wrltlm Allswers 2142

    FRUIT DISEASES ~ ...."r" i",'(q;",

    3121. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will 312 2. 'll Uo ~ fCUNl : the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL- TURE be p1cased to slate : ~~~ {al the SlePS taken by GOVernment to 'll ~~ \lfm '!tl'r : combat citrus. die-back. mango malforma- tion and other virus fruit discases: and i~~~~i~ (h) the amount spcnt for Ihis purpose ~ during the yeU" 1967 and 1968, State-wise? (Ifi') ~ ~ Ii fm ~~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~ ~ i"!1T ~ 1l' ar.t1T-ar<'f1T be undertaken. ~~ i~~ (b) The following amounts have been t't ~~ ~~ ~ i~ spent in so rar as the Government of India lFIT ~ "NT 'iC"I 'i'>: ~ lFIT I is concerned : ron 'lfr t ~ ~ I\1n I tfri, ftIn Amount Spent Lt.-38ofI968) t Name of State 1966-67 1967-68 ( If ) f!fi:ft '11'1 3i'vr rw. ~ ~ R,. Rs. qm;rr ~ ~ ~ f.r. VI' ~ .r Citrus Die-Back ~ ~ ~ Mysore. 1.04,483 1,36.858 IR "I'r. iW:r '!fit; Maharashtra . 40,000 53,930 ~ af.rr. ffii ~ ~ ~ Punjab . 2.245 50.000 61fT ~ "lllfTif '" ~ I.A.R.I., New am Delhi . n.127 43.911 ~ 'i'>: f.N7: lfOW ~ I Mango Malformation. (q) ffi;:iT ~~ ~ if; IA.R.I., New fiIf'nr ~ if flmrr: it;"",: ~ Delhi . 1,458 ITf ql;;r;n t't ~ ~ '.' 1l' m .2143 Written Answers MARCH 7, 1968 Written Answers 2144

    ~ f'm:vr ~ eft tJt {I ;;ft «1IT I!'rn ~ ~ ...1i ~ lfRA;r w ;fR' ~~~~ I ~~~ ; ~ [Lt.-380/1968] I ifiIoi, (.") 1fi(T ~ ~ ~ fir. ~ ~ 'tPmf" ~~ ~ ~ " ~ ~ 1M p:f ~ ItfT ~ '!iT ~ n~ ~ ~ n~ ll''fiCiR ;r,r S!'W''f i' ~~ ~ ? !m .rot fit; : (lfi) ~~ ~ ~ im ~ ~ ; 1968 i!iT ~~ ~ WIilfmf ~ ~ ~ ~ 'l>i' ait<: ~ ~ fit; ~ mnm (.) ~ if; cmr w wm: ",1 ~ am: ~ m:Tlf ~ at fa.., IF<,ii ~ 1ft ~i ~ ; ';(U i!>f.! lfft if,Tfl/fW if'{ W ~ aft<: i' arTQTt i' ;;rtq 'l>i' ~ ; aft<: ~ iflfT ( iT ) ;;rtq 'lfuJrTlr f.rf;m ENGINEERING AND METAL WORK IRS' STRIKE am: m:'T ~ am: ~ lfTlAT ~ ~ press their demands; ~ .. i~ if; qm am: ;;ITq ~ i{; (b) if ''', what were their demands; ~ ~ f;ro lflfT ~ I <:11 ;fr'f .m (c) Whether Government have inter- vened to ,cltlc the differences he tween tl'e ;it ;fl

    3124. "" '{To ~~ ~i : 'fin (b) The main demands were :- ~ (t1{T ~ +riifT 9 3fl'mi, 1967 i{; (1) Closed or locked out faci",irs to be reopened without any ~ 'SIT.f ~n 84 1 5 it::re">: retrenchment. ~ ~ ~in ~i it iT fif,: (2) Reinstatement of all retrenched ~ iflfT ~ ~ \rom ~ or victimised workmen. 2145 .Written An.nvers PHALOUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Written AII.'wers 2146

    (3) Increase in c:xistinJ D.A. on the basis THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE or the Report of the one-Man MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, Committee appomted by the Go- COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND vernment oflnc!ia. GOOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB SHINDE) : (a) No, Sir. (4) Pinal recommendations of the Wage Board for Engineering Industries (b) and (c) •. Do not raise. to be expedited. (S) Implementation of the award of the TELEPRINTER MACHINES IN U.S.l.S. OFflCBS s.:venth Industrial Tribunal for small and medium scale engineering 3128. SHRI VISWANATHAMBNON; establishments. SHRI GANESH GHOSH: SHRI P. OOPALAN; (6) La.id-off workers to be given work. SHRf JYOTIRMOY BASU : (e) and (d). Attempts towards settkment SHRf B. K. MODAK : through conciliation wcre made by the' Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- State Labour Directorate but no settlemenl TIONS be pleased to slate: !.:ould be ccached. (a) the number or USIS Offices where teleprinter Il1

    (a) whether it is a fact that in Kllnpur, (b) ir :>\.l, thC' itcps taken ror the collec- ration from the ration shops is being giWll tion of increased rcquircml'nh of milk? only to those whose pay is less tllli,ll Rs. 400 p.m.; . THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MLNISTltlfPF FOOD, AGRICULTURE (b) whether this has been done at the COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND instaDce of the Centre; and COOPERATION (SHR I ANNASAHIB ee) if 110, the reason therefor? SHINDE)': (a) Yes, Sir. MlIlSS/68-3 2147 Written Answer.f MARCH 7, 1968 Written Answer" 2148

    (b) (i) Four sets of intensivc cattle deve- ~ ~ i~ 1lRat\<: lopment progr-.uruDes are being implemen- tcd during the Fourth Plan in Meerut Dis- i~ 31Tfu: it; ~ ifm lift lITif ;r iR;;r trict in U.P., Gurgaon and Kamal Districts ~ m ~ it; ft;rii ~ ';tTT ~ rim in Haryana and Bikaner District in Rajas- ~ ~ ~ t han to augment milk sllpply for Delhi ORr <:lmIT it. ft;rii 'lfT Milk Scheme. 'Rij"#T1 (ii) Ten additional road milk tankers ~ ~ have been purchased for collecting increased (tf) 'lf1!f it; quantity of milk. 'fiN ~ arT<: ~ lflIR it; m ~~ T 3!'!lWI" ~ I ~ tmei'T ~ ~ 'Rit qr.fi ~ (tr) ~ ~ ~~ ~ 'Ii't ;fi;ft l!iT f.r.o;n IfifCT fGm. mrr it; . ~~ it; 3fT1l;j'f it; aqm: at\<: ~ ~ if ;fi;ft lift flf;a;ft f.... qf.. tJI<'I'l 'Fr II'iTIf ~ out it; PRi 'ffifT lIl'T 1'It1T lIl'T wrT ; 2149 Written Anawers PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) WrUten Answers 2150

    (_) ~ ~ ~ 'm1I'11lfi'\' ~~ 2. 4'ft;;fo 7,42,695 1,70,065 ~~ ~ii~ am ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ qq'f if fcmm- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f'f.";:'f;r 3.mlf1"<'f ~ iii ii' ifll' ~ ·jhr ~ ? ' ~ 1,46,311 2,89,702 "TV, "fqo, ~i ~ olfT ~ii ti ~ii ("'if QT- ~ ~ (lfi) 3f1<: ~ 1 966 am 1 9 6 7 if fiW<'iT if 'NT oF; or.r ~ f,primaif 2fil 'ifr.rr

    (2) ~i~~~ ( iii) fiIori' qf'if '1f!I't ~ Ai;r.flt;;f 'if f.fim;:ff. l!>T ~ m ~ i~ ~ em ~ ~ !liT ~~ ammr flf.m 'flIT ; ( 3) ~ ~ 3fR amm:r it' ~ ~~~~ ammJ mT tn:"rwrff 31'P: m.n if.T flf.m lTliT ; aft; ~ ~ ~ if.<:'lT em (rr) '37:!"f.T 'f"" ~~ ~ ~ ~ 'f."lT I am: ~ ii: '37'l"f.f fqif ;;f;i'iii 'fiT "1m;; it' f;;il ~ ~ ('fo) am ~ : ~ ., ~ ~ i~ T'i' am: f'l'1f<1JT ~ qc;;r q'T ~ t I ~ ~ ~ ~~ I 'fiTlri1, tf.r it' II 'ftif "W"fm 3l"flJ- ('1) J %:;-(;:1 ~ 18-1. ~ ~i 'for ~ ;;n#.rr ~ ~ >:I1'flr ;ii- ~ oqror;rom: ~n Gfi'f I II 'fiT ;;nlfrrT f'f'llir;:; 'll'Tr.;;; ~ 3. ~ ~ 'fi"T arq-fCT i~~n &r J668 ~~ m- 'fiT m<:m ;:; 4 crri ~ 3TR lf6 3fT.ror 1%;:-(;4 ~~ ~ if, 3fTCTR : 3fTlflfmr ~ 1965-66 ~ ~ 5T ~ ~ 'Tffw ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ lTliTj t I ~ ~ tm I , ~ 1ft ~~ ~ I 'fliTf'fo ~ al'\1; ~ ~ LT-381!68] I ~ n~ it' on:M ~ ~~ ~ t I f.r!foT i:r 'll'T""f :: ~ ~ ~ ~ 4I'ii' ~ if

    MOVEMENT Of FOODGRAINS 'FROM PuNJAB, fit .as Rajasthan is coacemed were tully HAaYANA AND RAJASlHAN. achieved; and (d) if not. the shortfalls and the reasons 3137. SHRI D. N. PATODIA : t\tefefor? SHRI HIMATSINOKA : SHRI N. K. SANGHI : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- COMMUNITY DEVEWPMENT AND CULTURE be ~ to state: COOPERATION (SHRY ANNASAlDB (a) whether it is a fact that there is " SHINDE): (a) to (d), thOUgh the Desert

    PROCUR£ME.N.T OP CIIILU[S BY FOOD COR- 3138. SHRI D. 1'. PATODIA : Will the PORATiON or INDIA Minister of FOOD Al'D AGRICULTURE 3139. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : be p!eased to state : SHRI1O. K. NAYANAR : '(a) the activities of the Desert Develop- SHRI NAMBIAR : ment Board during 1967-6R; SHRI K. M. 'ABRAHAM: . (b) the wotks undertaken by the Board Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRla in Rajasthan during the above period; cutTURE be pleased to state : (c) ..... hether the targets for 1966-67 in SO (a) whether it is a fact that th'c Food. 21S5 Written AnaweTs MARCH 7, 1968 Written Aluwen 21S6

    Corporation of India propose to procure LABOVR WAGES chillies and supply it to the public at con- troUed price; and 3141. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : (b) if so. when the procurement is likely SHRI K. M. ABRAHAM: t.o start? SHRI K. RAMANI : SHRI UMANATH : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINlSTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, Will the Minister of LABOUR AND- COMMUNITY DEVELOPMHlT AND REHABILITATION be pleased to state : COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHlB (a) the labour g~ as on the lst July,. SHlNDE) : (a) and (b). The F.o.od Cor- 1967 industry-wise; and poration of India arc purchasing ehiUies in (b) whether it is a fact that in labour the .open market from 24th February, 1968 based industrial wa!.!l" have been kept at in pursuance of a request frpm Andhnl the lowest lewl Pradesh Government. The chillies thus pun:haoed will be made available t.o con- THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND sUDIers in Andhra Pradesh and in other REHABILITATION (SHRI HATHI) : (a) States at reasonable prices particularly in I nformaion on wages as on 1st July loan months. 1967 industry wis<' is not available in a con- solidated form for all ini~ Wages fixed for specific industires on the recom- PROCUREMENT OF PVLSES BY FOOD COR- mendations of Wage Board. are Published PORATI.oN OF INDIA in the Indian Labour Journal from time to time. The minimum rates of wdges fixed 3140. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN : and revi'ICd fmm time to time by the State SHRIE. K.NAYANAR: Governments '" wdl as the Central Govem- SHRI NAMBlAR : ment under the minimum Wages Act 1948 SHRI K. M. ABRAHAM: for various Schedule,l Employments arc Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- published through Notifications in the CULTURE be pleased to state: Gazettes by resl'ective Govemments. The latc.st informati.on as til the rates of minimum (a) whether there is any proposal to wages fixed Ol" rcvi,,'d under the Act by the procure pulses by the Food C.orporati.on Central and State Governments and Union .of India; and Territories for the l.owellt paid unskiUcd (b) if so, the details thereof'! male workers Ul' to 30-9·1966 is given in Table 4' 1 I of the Indian Labour Statistics THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1967, a published document, copies of which ~ Y OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, arc available in the Parliament Library. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB (b) No. Wages arc freely negotiable SHINDE) : (a) and (b). Tbe Food Cor- between employers amI workers and their poration of India has already been pur- organisations subject to minimum limits chasing pulses from the crop year 1965-66 fixed under the Minimum Wages Act. beginning from 1-11-1965 depending upon I n the case of industries which are covered the availability and

    OoYeraments have represented to Central In addition to the outlay approved by the Oovemment that liberal financial allotment Planning Commission, it is expected that ~ be made for minor irrigation an amount of Rs. 120 crores may be avail- scbeme; able to the State Governments from the Non-Plan Sector agencies like Land Mort- (b) if so, the states that have made the gage Banks, Agricultural Refinance Corpora- representation and the allotment requested tion, Cooperative R:nks, Agro-industries for; and Corporations etc, (c) the allotment made for 1968-69, state-wise ? ni~ mE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE mlil "Ii 1J.f1f 1tiT MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURF, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND 3143. 15(1 ~ ~ : ;prr ..,. COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB ('f1n i~ Jfiift l!f, ilf ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ t he existing procedure, the Annual Plan 'fi"T q{ ~ a1!JT ~ '!,f1f ~ mr.r ~ 1J.flr proposals of the ~ Governments, inclu- ~ ~ ~ ~ ding tllOse relating to minor irrigation arc m !fiTIJ "ITt ITt: mr.r di9CuSSt.'d with their representative by the ~ '!,f1f ~ ·.n1fij;T ii: m:1 ITt: Central Working Groups. The outlay pro- %; posed by the various States for their minor irrigation programme for 1968-69 and ('i) ~i 7J'i1r ~ ~ 'U>ilf ~ those approved by the Planning Commission ~ ~n 'fi"T ilf ~ ~ ~ ;t)" 4. Oujarat 677 545 t" em: 5. Haryana 193 104 .". ~ ~ I 6. lanunu &. Kash- )92 )00 mit PROJECT ALLOWANCE TO P&'T. JiMl'I..OYEES 260 7. K.eraIa 260 IN DANOAKARANYA PaOJECT 8. Madhya Pr.. dcsh 850 630 9. Madras 996 500 3144. SHRI RABI RAY: 10. Maharashtra 1,700 1,S66 SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI- 11. Mrsore 830 600 GRAHl: J2. Nagaland 8 I: 13. Pul\iab 410 145 Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- 14. RlVasthan 255 225 TIONS be pleased to State: IS_ Uetac Pradesh 3,000 2070 ~ whether any decision regarding ,the 16. West Bengal 616 621 payment of project Allowance for the ....ts 17. On.... 267 ISO and Telegraphs employee. workina in TOTAL 12,173 8,753 Dandakaranya project area of fC.onItIlIt district (Orissa) has been reached; and 21 S9 Writ/ell A IIswers MAR.CH 7,' 1968 Written A'!-"I'"n 2160

    (b) if not, the reasons therefor? (If) mR ~i ~ TIlE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~ am: ~ ~ at1ft ~ DEPARTMENTS OF PARLIAMENTARY i~ ~ I AFFAIRS AND COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI I. 1<.. GUJRAL) : (a) No. (;r) ~ 3Afu # m.ft ~ ~ (b) As the project area is spread over two ~ IfoTi ~ ~ for;m ~ districts in two States, considerable time was omtr fif;lrr ~ ~ ~ ~ ;;r.cr mI'f taken to collect the required data from aU am: the Units oPerating in this area. AU the ~~~~~ data has now been received and a decision t am: I is ellpected to be taken shortly. ('El') :;ft;ft, ~ ~ ~ ~ ..m- # ~

    3145. ~ ~ ~ ~ ;m ~ ~~ ~ii m;m' CPtT' ~~ ~ lW- o/!f.r 'ffr If.'lT rn f;r, : ~ ~ q ~ Qr (Ilft anlT- ~~ ~ 93 ~ ~ ~ if fq;;f.r ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ fq;;:r-fI"fT # ~ t off' (If) 34 ~ 'n: GN 1m SorT am: 59 ~ ~ ~ ~ ( If ) 'iff¥;f q' 'ifl{q1lt ~ if m:lt Fi1 ."mil", ~ I i~~~~~ (;r) 16,450 i~ ~ lTif 'f.T ~ ~ ~ fq;;:r f'f."f fBi if uP.r ~ ~ ~ 4,067 If.Ti ~ if.' ;ro: ~ IfA ~i ? mt arn: -m I 2,383 'f.Tit if ;;ft 3l'fiR; '11l1 ~~~ i'NI ~~ ~ q mv i~~~~i ~ qcn ~ to fO 1!om<=f): ~ 5; ( 'El' ) :;ft;ft 4 6 :l9 1 ~g If)trr:r, ~ lm

    ~ ~ ~ iii' ft;pf ~ q'Cf trative Refonns Commission has recom- mended for the merger of All India Soil 3rRJpnT' and Land Use Survey Oraganisation With ( ... ) WRf ~ !fiT ~ f.!;Irr 'T1IT the Indian Council of Agricultural Research; ~ fit; arffiA; ~ 1tl' ;ftftr it ~ and (b) if so, the deeision taken by Govern- 1.'Pr'II'1r 12 1 ~ ~ ;ft;fi ~ fu:<:ft-im; ~ "1m'

    COOPERATIVE FAIlMII'G (b) if so, the number of Parties which were permitted to seck foreign collaboraion 3151. SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPA· and the amount of foreign exchange sanc- KAR : Will the Minister of FOOD AND t ioned to each party? AGRICULTURE be pleased to slate the areas at present covered by cooperative THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE farming in the different States and Union MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, Territories of India? COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AI'iD COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHINDE) : (a) and (b). In pursuance of ttle MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, assurance given to the House on 27th June, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND 1967 in reply to n~ Question No. COOPERATION (SHRI M. S. GURU· 3663. attempts Werc made to compile the PADASWAMY): The total acreage of information asked for ~in from the land under cooperative farming is estimated State GOVernments. The Statc Govctn. to be approximately II lakh acreS as on ments have not been able to compile all the 30th June 1967. information as powers of licensing have been delegated by and large to district CENTRAL SUD FARM IN HIRAKUD ARIA authorities. Information will have to be collected from lall' the; districts of India. 3152. SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPA. Even after information is compilcd from all KAR : Will the Minister of FOOD AND th,' districts, the information will be very AGRICULTURE be pleased to stale : bulky and it is submitted that the time and (a) the estimated production of sceds labour spent maY not be commensurate from the Central Seed Farm in the Hirakud with the result sought to be achi

    (b) whether the secds arc sold in the TELEGRAPHIC MrSSAGrS BY POST State only or arc ,urplicd to other States as well? 3154. SHRI PREM CHAND VERMA: Will tbe Minister of COMMUNICATIONS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE be pleased to state : MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, (a) whether it is a fact that P. and T. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND Department is still not able to handle all COOPERATiON (SHRI ANNASAHIB the telegrahic messages received by it; SHINDE) : (a) Seed Production during the crop year 1967-68 is expected to be as (b) if so, how many messages were sent follows :- by post during the last tbree months and what percentage of total messages it consti- Paddy 1500 Quintals. tuted; and Wheat 500 Quintals. Peas 300 Quintals. (c) the steps taken to overcome this Hybrid Maize. J"war ami shortage and how long it will take for 'Bajra 1000 Quintals. Government to cover it up? (b) The Seeds arc sold to all SWtcs but THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE demand from Ori:.sa Government is given DEPARTMENTS OF PARUAMEN· priority over othcrs. TARY AFFAIRS AND COMMUNJCA· TIONS (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) : (a) teo. Nonnally all telegrams received are sent RICE MILlS by the Department over the wires. The 3153. SHRI JUGAL MONDAL : Will vagaries of nature, power failure and sudden the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL. absenteeism of staff etc., however, sometimes TURE be pleased to refer to the rcply given interfere with the nonnal schedule of wan· to Unstarred Question No. 3663 on the ing and recourse to disposal of telegrams 27th June, 1967 regarding rice mills and by post then becomes inevitable. state: (b) The information is beiDa coIlectecl (a) whether the information asked for and will be laid on the Table .of the I.cIk therein has since been collected; und Sabha. 2165 Wriurl! AnlfWers PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Wrillen Answers 2166

    <{c) A statoment showing S9me of the (c) the total profit or loss incurred by ._ recelltly taken to speed up the disposal these super bazars during the last year? fill telegrams is placed on the Table of the Loll: Sabha. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, STATEMENT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND n~ fo\lowing are some of the steps that COOPERATION (SHRI M. S. GURU- hove been taken recently or are being taken PADASWAMY) : (a) Fifty-one. to speed up disposal of telegrams :- (b) The Government of India does not (i) Extension of working hours of tele- directly invest any funds in the department graph o/liees. as far as possible, is being stores. However, the Government ·of effected. India extends financial alisistance to State Governments for assisting wholesale con- (ii) Replacement of Morse Working by sumers cooperative stores to set up depart- high speed working on teleprinters and pro- ment stores. The Gnvernment of India has vision of alternative circuits to clear traffic provided financial assistance of Rs. 331 '24 in case of interruptions on direct circuits lakhs for setting up these fiftyone depart- h being arranged. 2,711 Teleprinters are ment stores. in usc in the Telegraph O/lices. (c) A statement showing the profit and (hi) Main Trunk circuits hitherto working loss position of the 38 department stores on open wire lines which arc very much which were set up by the end of the Coope- su..qc.:ptiblc to the vagaries of nature are rative Year ending on 30th June 1967 is being routeo through coaxial cable and laid on the Table of the House. [Placed microlO.ave system. 4,674 kms of coaxial i/l Library, Set' No_ LT-382/68.] cablc and 2,1 SO kms of Microwave systems have been commi"ioned. SUGAR QUOTA OF LABOUR POPULAtiON IN (iv) In order to avoid prolonged interrup- D[LHI tioo> on circuits arising out of copper wire thc.fts, copper wire is proposed to be replac- 3156. SHRI M. L. SONDHI : Will the ed by copper-weld wire in theft affected Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE areas. Greater use of Aluminum conductors be pleased to state : is also envisaged_ (a) whether it is a fact that the most of (v) Better type of VFT systems (which the labour popUlation in Delhi who hold provide telegraph circuits using speech ration cards do not consume sugar: frequencies and Telephone channels) which (b) whether it is also a fact that they arc more stable have been designed and are surrender their sugar quota in lieu of being installed progressively. 4,300 channels atta/wheat: and of FM VFT system are working. (c) if so, whether Government propose to (vi) The operators arc being given better replace the sugar quota of such card holders training to cope with the increased ,"olume by alta/wheat? of traffic through modern system of trans- mission. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CooPlRATIVE SUPER BAZARS COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB SHINDE) : (a) No definite data is available 3155. SHRI P. VISWAMBHARAN : • in this respect. SHRI MANGALATHUMA- DAM: (b) In a very few cases supr quota was surrendered against which aua/wlaeat was WiU the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- issued. CULTURE be pleased to state: (c) Under a 5Cheme IaunI:bcd by the (Il) the number of co-operative Super Delhi Administration with efl'cct from 7th Duars in India: July 1967, 2! kp. of wbea(Jalta c:ouIdbe (b) the total amount invested by Govern- replaced .,.inst each kiloaram of &IIgac mellt in these Super bazan; and voluntarily sUt1'endercd. :2167 W,itten ~ MARCH,:';.1968 '. " W,itten A.nswe,.. 2168

    , : ~ ~ ~i THE MlNlSDR OF, LABOUR, AND 1mA' , REHABILtT411ON' (_I HATII!): ·(a) aDd (b). DurlDa-JtIIe:!leRod April, 1966' to March, 1967, 38,50,248 registrations IIIICI , 3157, ni~i~ :lflIT' 4,79,320 plac:e!ucnts were e/l'ected by tile Employment Exchanges in the country. ... "' i~ l1i!; ~ lIiT FIT rn ~ (c) No. (d) Does not arise. : '(iF) lflIT ~ ~ ~ fit; ~ ~ ~ ~ WIft ",4"4lf" ..1 ~ ~ COMPLAI"'TS AGAINST S.T.D, SYSTI M tN ] 968 'fiT ~ ~ lI'''nf;:rr iii ~ DELHI 3159. SHRI SlTARAM KESR(: Will ~~~~~ the MiniSter of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : (V) lflIT ~ '1ft ~ ~ for. ~ (a) whether it is a fact that a large n um- ~ if q;p mq"if ~ R>4'T ~ ~ ber of complaints have been received .. bout ~ 4 611iiT GT ~ ~ 1

    31S8, SHRI SITARAM KESRI : Will AGRICULTURAL CREDIT 10 FARMrRB • the Minister of LABOUR AND REHABI- LITATION be pleased 10 state: 3160. SHRI ESWARA REDDY: (a) the number of persons registered with DR. RANEN SEN : the Employment n~ during 196f>.67; Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- (b) '" the Dumber of persons who were CULTURE be pleased to stalc : provided with jobs during tile ~ period ; (a) the total number ,'f agrkulturul (c) whether it is a fact that many of the credit societies at present; i~ institutions have been (b) the total n~ set apart for ~i I1!IIltIIitiIIa persons directly without reference ding agricultural credit 10 lhe farmers to the Employment Exchanges; and for 1966-67 and 1967-611 ; , (d) Y,' whether Government propose Jt (c) whether these funds had been fully to 'malee-it obIiptory on all Govemmeut imtitUtilirns' including autonomous bodies utilised; and to recruit ~n througb Elliployment (d) if not. the extent of shortfall and the Exchanges? reasons therefor? ". ~in Answers' PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Written Allswer.f 217&

    THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE increased by about 29 .. 3 per cent despite !he MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, bringing of marginal lands with low pro- COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ductivity into cultivation. There was some CooPERATION (SHRI M. S. GURU- set-back during the last two years due to' PADASWAMY) : (a) 1·81 Jakh approxi- widespread drou&ht. Since thcD, however mately, a new strategy for agricultural development (b) Short term and medium tenn credit has been introduced aiming priDCipaUy at facilities are pro"id are set out for the cooperative and supplementary irrigation. ' socictlC' in this regard, The credit target for i ~ in respect of short term and med:r.m telm lo"ns "as set at Rs, 450 FOOD HABIlS crore, , "hile the credit disbursed ,is pro- ,isio""lIy estimated at Rs, 365 crores, Tar· ~ SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA : get ("T 1967·1>8 has been set at. Rs, 520 Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- crore'. ..\chkvcrncnt figures will be avail- CULTURE be plcascd to state: able ,'nl, after the cooperative ~ 1967·68 (,,) whcther it is a fact that Government nn~ on 30-6-1968) is oyer. propose to change the food habits of the people by its food policy: and (c) "n,1 (.1), The question of shortfall in (b) if so, in what manner? the utili,ation of funds set apart by Go,ern- ment docs not arbe. The reasons for THE MINISTER STATE IN THE shortfall in the achievement of targets arc: or MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, (j, Slow progrc" in enlisting new COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND members aPod increasing their co'er· COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB age by primary societies. SHlNDE) : (a) and (b), A suitable cbange (ii J Slow progress in implementation of in ,the food habits is being promoted through the Crop Loan System, systematic campaign, organised by mobile (iii, The recurring and widespread Food and Nutrition nii~ Sc:rviais. drought conditions during 1965-66 Institutes of catering, Tecbnol'lP, ,and and IY66-6i, Applied Nutrition, Food Polytecho'ics, establishment of a chain of Modem BaIceries and through the normal channels of publi- PrR ACRI Y![In OF CiRrAls city involving newspapers: films, publica- tion of leaflets and pamphlets containing 31('1. SHRI DHIRESWAR KALlTA recipe'S of non·cereal 'food "preparations Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- and participation in exhibitions etc. CULTURE be pka'ed to slate:

    (a) whether it j, a fact that there has , " been no substantial increase in the per acre WHEAT-EATING _ PWPlI. 'IN RICE-fATING yield pf cereal. in India during the last 'AltrAs fifteen ) cars; 3163. SHR,! SHIVA C""NDRA JHA-/: (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and Will the Miliistcr of FOOD. AND AGRI- (c) the steps taken to increase the yield CULTURE be pleased to, ~ tbe pen:Cn'- of cereals '1 tage of wheatoQting people in the rice- eating parts of India as compared to what :. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE it was ten years ago '! MINISTRY OF FOPD,.:).GRICYLTURE, COMMUNITY ~ AND THE MINISTEil OF STATE IN THE COOPERATION 6SQRI, ANNASAHIB MINIS:rRY OF FOOD, AGIYCULTURE, SHINDE): (a) to (c), ~ the fifteen years COMMUNITY • DEVELOPMENT' AND ending 1964-65, productivity -, of, Cereals CoOPERA'I'ION', (SHRI . ~ 2171 Written Answers MARCH 7, 1968 Written An.. wers 2172

    SHINDE) : No precise demarcation of areas THE MINISTRY OF STATE IN THE into rice-eating. wheat-eating and those MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, consuming other cereals is possible. Simi- COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND larly precise classification of persons into COOPERAnON (SHRI ANNASAHIB mutually exclusive groups of rice or wheat SHINDE) : The expenditure incurred em CODsumcrs is not possible. It may, however. the Salaries and Travelling Allowance and be stated that judging from the total net Dearness Allowance of the staff employed availability of wheat in the country as a in the Ministry of Food, Agriculture, whole, which has increased from 10'6 Community Development and Coopera- million tonnes in 1957 to about 16 ·9 tion at Delhi during the year 1966-67 i. million tonnes in 1967, the consumption of Rs. 1,30,93,356. wheat as a whole in the country has in- A ~n showing break-up of tbe creased. expenditure Deparlment-wise on Salaries. Travelling allowance and dearness allowanc- es is laid on th: T:lble of the Housc. [Placed in Library- See No. L T-1715/68). 3164. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA : SHRI RABI RAY: OFF-SHORE FISH ~ IN ~n Will tbe Minister of LAW be pleased \0 PRADESH state : 3166. SHRI G. C. DIXIT : Will the (a) wbether it is a fact that polygamy Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE and polyandry are still in vogue in certain be pleased to state : parts and communi tics in India; (a) whether Government have explored (b) if so, in what parts and communities the po,;sibility of off-shore fish catching in and the reasons therefor; and tbe coastal belt of the ri\ ers flowing in (c) the steps taken and success achieved Madbya Pradesh State; so far by Government to stop them? (b) if so, the result thereof; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (e) if not, whether Governmcnt pwposc MINISTRY OF LAW (SHRI M. YUNUS to make such a survey ? SALEEM) : (a) Yes. Sir, to a very limited THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE extent. MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. (b) Polygamy is not prohibited under COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ANn Muslim law and customary law applicable to COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHffi some Scheduled Tribes. Polyandry may SHINDE) : (a) and (b) : A scheme with an be prevalent amongst certain Hill Tribes estimated outlay of Rs. 4 ·80 lakhs has in tbe Himalayan Region in accordance with been taken up as a part of the Fisheries the customary law applicable to them. Very Plan g~ of Madhya Pradesh, for few persons, however, resort to polygamy (he development of riverine fisheries. The or polyandry at present and practice tberc- scheme envisages the e,tab1ishment of four ofts g~ dying out. units equipped for survey of fish and fish (c) In view of answer to (b), no action seed resources with the ohje<:tive of promo- is considered necessary in that behalf. ting intensive exploitation or riverine fishing including mid-river fishing. Two units have been established at Bilas- EXPl!NDlTUltE ON MINISTRY OF F CCD. ACRI- pur and Barwah, and work is in progress. CULTURI!, COMMONIn' DEVELOPMEI\T AI\D CooPERATION (c) The question does not arise.

    316S. SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD: LICI!NCES FOR VANASPATI MANUFACTURE Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- CULTURE be pleased to state the expendi- 3167. SHRI G. C. DIXIT : Win the ture incurred on the salaries lind Travelling Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE Allowance and Dearness Allowance of the be pleased to state : staff employed in the Ministry at Delhi (a) the number of licences issued for the durilll the year 1966-671 setting up of factories for producinl van.... 2173 Written An..wel'$ PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Written An.rwers 2174

    pat; doriog the last five years in Madhya ~ (b) the number of applications for 3169. ,,) ~~ If.-m=r : ~ issue of licences to put up such factories pending disposal before Government and ~ ~ - i~i ~i ~~ ~ i~ ratlOD Ltd., Calcutta. ~ ('!ft ~ fO ~ ~ (e) The matter is under ni~in , n~~~~~ ~n~~~~

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    ~ ~ 1968 ij. ~ PUUIIC CALL OHIC! A'I PeRNA iii wif ~ 90 ~ iJ ~ 8S ~ (ORISSA) ~ 'fi7 ~ if; f.TaT'f ~ FeRra 317:', SIiRJ A. D1PA : Will the Mini,- smr tor (,I' COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to ~ if; fW1: ' : 1,6-2-6i (iii) ~~~~~~ 2177 Written A"swers PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Written Answers 2178

    f.:rI!1f ~ If f.If'l'il' ~ ~ 3IR\' (e) how many officers of gazetted ranks have been appointed for the work of publica- ~ 1fTtt 1ffifT If ;:ft;;nlft lfil: ~ ~ , tion of the Central A,c:ts including India Code and the volumes of Statutory Rules ( ..) ~ lfQ: \ft wq ~ fit; \lTV and Regulations and their qualifications f.:rI!1f ~ If ~ ~ ~~ (educational and technical, if any) and also t he salary they are drawing at present ? ~ 1fTtt 1ffifT If ~ am ~ ifi': ~~ am: THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW (SHRI M. YUNUS (tT) lift n, ;;fr ~ it. ~ ~ SALEEM) : (a) Replacement Series of the ~ I ndia Code are issued as soon as suflic:ient number of pages are affected by subsequent legislation and there is no fixed time limit ~~ ~ 1!I1V, f'fif,

    (d) whether any of these farms arc pro- Central Government towards taccavi loans posed to be set up in Andbra Pradesh; to farmers through the Co-operatives in and 1967-68; (e) if so, where ? (b) whether the Government of Andhra Pradesh has requested to provide more THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE funds to the tune of Rs. 100 lakhs during MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. 1967-68 in order to meet the demands COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND from the farmers to implement their agri- COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIR cultural development schemes: and SHINDE) : (a) The U.S.S.R. GoYUmment (e) if so, the action taken in the mattcr ? has agreed to supply machinery free of cost for fi¥e farms subject to a ceiling of Rs.31 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lakh for each farm. For the remaining 1() MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. farms, it is proposed to obtain machinery COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND from U.S.S.R. on deferred payment terms. COOPERATION (SHRI M. S. GURU- The normal size of these farms would be PADASWAMY) : (a) A sum of Rs. 6031'61 about 8,000 to 10,OOC acres depending lak hs was disbursed as long term loans dur- upon the availability of compact areas. ing the year 1966-67 by the Land Mortgage The broad objective of the farms is to Banks in the country. Information on Tac- produce good quality seeds. cavi Loans in 1967-68 is being collected and (b) Training of farmers at the farms is will be laid on the Table of the House. not envisaged at present but they will cer- (b) Yes, Sir. tainly be encouraged to visit them and sec (e) The matter is under consideration. for themselves the improved methods of CUltivation adopted by the farms. (c) to (e). One of these farms has already. ~ .,. ~ "rlf:l1 ITllfr q flf'filflq started functioning in the Hirakud area of ~ Orissa. Sites for setting up State farms ... have also been located in the Hissar district of Haryana, Sutlej Bed area of Punjab, 3178. 'l) '1'0 ","0 ~ : lflIT Raichur district of Mysore, Saharsa dis- ~~ ;id't ~ ;ref.t 'liT F'n' rn fit; : trict of Bihar and the Cannan ore district of Kerala. The Madhya Pradesh Govern- ("') 'T ;;rr W. ~ am: otherwise for a State Farm. The Andhra Pradesh Government were also &&ked to (.) ~~~i~ suucst a site for a Slate Farm ~ they ~ SI11fu ~~ t ? have not yet done so. The possibility of locating State farms in other pans of the country is also being investiaated. ~i "..-r ~ '"'" q UQ ~ ~ i~ ~~~i~ AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT ScH[MES ~i~~~~ ~ if ~ A'fmrfa-n:lRI' vrrm ~ 3176. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : ~~~~~ Will the Minister of FOOD ANJi) AGRI- CULTURE be pleased to state : (.) ~ ~ Ifi'T1iMTt (a) tbe loans given by the Land Mortgage CP

    ~~~ ~i~ ;;m;:I1 if; fii ljtlq ~ I ~ ( I.i ) .,frr-fi\' 'lit:rr arT<: ~ ~~ (I.i) m (tr). 1965-66i[ f,r1:;r- arf'1"l'f arT'llmf'" ifit' ~ tfl1T ~ PI •.,F",f

    ~ 1965-66 i~~ q;: ~i 35,85.461 ~ ." ro: ~ ar"h: MEDICAL EXAMINATION OF 27,38,266 ~ ~ amr rt ¥ft I WOMEN WORKFRS 3181. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: SHRI BASWANT: Will the Minister of LABOUR AND 3180. lit) 1(0 \'1(0 WAHPIr: 1f!l"T REHABILITATION be pleased 10 state? ~~ ~ ~ ~ lti't F'fT rn fifo : (a) whether it is a fact that in a larIC num- ber offactories medical cxaminalion of the (if.) !fliT ~~ fiI; ~ Ii women workers is being conducted by male ~ mr if; ~ ~ ~ .f'fT'1"fq- medical personnel; 2183 Wrillell Allswers MARCH 7, 1968 Writ/en Allswers 2184

    (b) if so, whether Government arc aware EXPORT OF RICE AND PADDY FROM of the resentment and opposition to this ANDHRA PRADESH practice by women workers; and (c) the steps which have been taken by 3183. SHRI G. S. REDDI : Will the- Government on all India basis to stop this Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE practice ? be pleased to state : (a) the quantity of rice and paddy export· THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND ed from Andhra Pradesh to Kera1a, Mysore- REHABILITATION SHI HATH I : (a) and Maharashtra during the period from Information is being collected from the State the 15th December, 1967 to 15th January. Governments and the Employees' State 1968; and 1nsurance Corporation, and will be laid on (b) the quantity of milo received from the- the Table of the Sabha when received. Central Government by the state during the (b) No complaint in the matter has been above period ? received. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) Does not arise. MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CO·OPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB SHINDE) : P. & T. BUILDINGS IN ~ (a) Kerala I R,449 tonnes inin~ paddy in terms of rice). 3182. SHRI R. BARUA : Will the Minis- Mysore 1.096 tonnes ter of COMMUNICATIONS be picascd Maharashtra Nil to state: TOTAL: 19.545 tonnes (a) the progress made so far in the cons- truction of P. & T. buildings in Assam; and (b) 9,596 tonnes. (b) whether any independent Civil wing is proposed to be set up in Assam so that SnORT'TERM loAN ASSISTANCE TO building requirements and their construction STATES lOR PESTICIDES may be ~ and expenditiously looked aftcr ? 3184. SHRI G. S. REDDI : Win the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF PARLIAMENTARY (a) whether Government propose to reo AFFAIRS AND COMMUNICATIONS vive the short·term loan assistance given to (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) : (a) A statement the States to meet their full requirements of showing the number of P & T buildings pesticides as was previously beinS done existing at the end of Third Plan and those in view of the enhanced drive for more agri· since constructed. under construction and cultural produce and the proportionate sanctioned for construction is laid on the necessity to supply more pesticides; and Table of the House. [Placed ill Library. (b) if so, the decision taken in the matter? See No. LT·383 168]. (b) A fully equipped sub-division of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Civil wing is already stationed at Gauhati MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. to deal with construction works in Assam COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND Circle. This is considered adequate for the CO.OPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB present work load. As soon as there is SHINDE) : (a) and (b). Prior to 1966-67, significant increase in the work load. case short.term loans for the purchase and dis· for creation of a Division would be consi· tribution of seeds, fertilisers and pesticides dered. were being sanctioned on an ad-hoc basis .2185 Writ/en AlISlI'ers PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Writ/en Answers 2186 cn requests made by the State Governmets. SHINDE) : (a) 776 'SO (Rup(es seven hun- From 1966-67 onwards, a definite procedure dred seventy six and fifty). has been laid down for sanctioning Short- (b) For disposal of immediate official term loans for seeds, fertilisers and pesticid- work. es. Short-term Iaons for pesticides are now -being given to State Governments to the ex- tent of SO ~~ of the expenditure incurred by OPEN MARKET SALE Of WHEAT AND 1 hem on the purchase of pesticides. There RICE IN DELHI ,is no proposal to change the existing proce- -dure. 3187. SHRI D. C. SHARMA: Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE be pleased to state : PRE-INVESTMENT SURVEY OF FORESTS (a) whether there has been any 5purt IN ANDAMAN AND NICOBAR ISLANDS in the prices of rice and wheat in Delhi after their sale in open market was per mitt- 3185. SHRI K. R. GANESH : Will the cd; and Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE (b) if so, the action taken or proposed to be pleased to state : be taken in the matter ~ (a) whether any re-investment survey of ·the forest wealth of the Andaman and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Nicobar Islands has been conducted; MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, (b) if not, whether there is a proposal to COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ·conduct this survey; and CO-OPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB (c) whether in the absence of the sur- SHiNDE) : (a) As compared to the level of vey, the full utilization of the Andaman prices when open market sale was permitted forest is not possible? there has been no spurt in the prices. (b) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. -COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND BU"ING AND SELLING PRICES OF Food CO-OPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIR GRAINS SHINDE) : (a) No, Sir. 3188. SHRI LOBO PRABHU : Will the (b) Not for the present. Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE (c) The forest resources of Andaman be pleased to state : hlands arc being utilised to the extent (a) The average difference between the possible. buying and selling prices of foodgr.tins procured by Government; and (b) the corresponding difference which OFnCE OF CONSERVATOR or FORESTS, Government allow to the trade '1 ANDAMAN THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3186. SHRI K. R. GANESH : Will the MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND be pleased to state : CO-OPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB (a) the overtime allowance paid to the SHINDE): (a) The issue price of rice -staff of the Conservator Forests in the Anda- supplied from Central stocks is based on the man Islands for the period from September, pooled economic cost and the issue prices 1967 to January, 1968; and arc the same throughout the country. The (b) the reasons for which the staff was difference between the average procurement employed for overtime work ? price and the issue price is about Rs. 17 per quintal inclusive of Rs. 7·00 approxi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE mately on aa:ount of incentive bonus and MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, administrative surcharge payable to Slate COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT Afl:D Governments, For other foodgrains, how- CO'()PERATION (SHRI ANNASAHlB ever, the cost varies from State to State 2187 Wrillcn AnslVers MARCH 7, 1968 Written An.vll'us 218g depending upon the sources of ~ (c) if so, whether it has been ensured that freight charges etc. So it is not possible to there is no infringment of the Fundamental give an average difference. Rights in the Essential Commodities Bill. Patents Bill, Social Control of Banks Bill. (b) It is not possible to compare the Monopolies Bill and all other Bills. which difference between the buying and selling a re restrictive in nature and will come up prices of the foodgrains procured by for legislation ? Government and the difference allowed to trade. Under the zonal pattern now prevail· THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ing all inter-State trade:s on Government MINISTRY OF LAW (SHRI M. YUNUS account and trade works only within 'I State SALEEM) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. for purposes of internal distribution. (c) The judgment of the Supreme Courtt referred to relates to legislation for amend- ment of the provisions in Part III of the PROCUREMENT OF LEVY Constitution taking away or abridging tile rights conferred by that Part. Every 3189. SHRI LOBO PRABHU : Will the proposal for legislation is duly examined by Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE the Law Ministry to ensure that the provi- be pleased to state : sions of the Constitution are not contraven- ed. (a) whether target of procurement by levy has been fixed accordins to recorded area IMPORT OF MILO under cultivation this year; and (b) if so, the extent by which procurement 3191. SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK : Will of kharif crop by levy is less than the fixed the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL- target ? TURE be pleased to state: (3) the quantity of milo and wheat. sepa- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE rately, imported in 1967 from ditTerent MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, countries and its total cost; COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND (b) the quantity in balance on the 31st CO-OPERATION (SHR IANNASHAHIB .December, 1967 and its cost; and SHINDE) : (a) In the States where procure- (c) the total quantity of wheat and mil.,. ment by producer levy has been adopted, sold and the amount of sale proceeds realis- the quilntum of levy due from each producer ed on this score, separately? is based on the size of the holding of that producer. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) Information is not readily available MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. as to how much of the procurement expect- COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ed in these States will be from pradueor levy. CO-OPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB: This information is being collected und will SHINDE) : (a) A statement i. laid on the be laid on the Table of the House as soon as Table of the House. [Pwced, ill Library .. it is received. See No. LT-384f168]. (b) Milo : Quantity : 69 thousand ton- nes. Cost: Rs. 3 ·7 crores, Wheat: Quan- SAFEGUARDING OF FUNI>AMENTAL RIGHTS tity : 341 thousand t"nnes. Cost : Rs. 21 IN VARIOUS LEGISLATURES crores. 3190. SHRI LOBO PRABHU : Will the (c) Wheal : Quantity : 6727 thousand. Minister of LAW be pleased to state : lonnes. Sale proceeds : Rs. 370 crores. MILO : Quantity : 1924 thousand tonnes. (a) whether his Ministry 'have dr-dwn the Sale proceeds : Rs. 77 crores. attention of other Ministeries proposing legislation to the restrictions imposed by the PvBLlC SECTOR BAKERIES Supramc ,Court judgement in the case of Golak Nuh Ys. the State of I'w\iab: 3192.SHRI K. M. KOUSJHiI{ : Will the (Il) Whether his Ministry IlIJO tukes into Minister of 'FOOD AND AGlUCUL1UIlE conSidetation this judgement while bringing be p1easecf to State : forward ariy legislation; and (il) Whaltle i~ sedor titikcrles to be 2189 Writ/en Answers PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Writ/en Allswers 2190 set up under the Colombo plan are likely to come up in Delhi and other places; (b) whether the modem bakery in Born· 3194. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: WiU bay inaugurated recently is producing its the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL- full quota; and TURE be pleased to state: (c) how the product of the modem bakery (a) whether the Pamba River Supr Fac- compares in quality and price with the pro· tory in Kerala State has paid the additiOilBI duct of the Britannia Company ? price of suprcane to cane growers for the seasons 1958·59 and 1959.60; THE MINISTER IOF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD. AGRICULTURE. (b) if DOt, the reason therefor; COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND (e) whether the Suprcane (Additional) CO-OPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB Price Fixation Authority had determined the SHINDE) : (a) The model'll bakeries at additional cane price for 1960-61 and 1961. Bombay and Madras have already gone 62; and into production. The bakeries at Delhi. (d) if so, whether the additional IIIDOU1Its Ahmedabad and Cochin are expected to have been paid by the Factory ? commence production in April, 1968. The remaining unit at Calcutta is in the preli· minary stages and is likely to go into produc· THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tion by the end of this year. M[NISTRY OF FOOD. AGRICULTURE, (b) The bakery has recently started pro· COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND dUcUon and the full capacity has not yet been COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB reached. SHINDE) : (a) The Pamba River 8 ... Factory was not required to pay any addi- (c) The bread produced by modem tional cane price for the season 19$s..$9. bakeries compares favourably with the pro· Its liability for the season 1959·60 was RI. duct of Britannia. 2.47,285 '[4 Paise. The amount was pay_ able in two equal instalments of Rs. 1.23,642 '57 PaUe each by 2-11·67 and LINKING WAGES WITH PRODUCTION 2·5·68. AIlcGrdiJlg to the reports nod¥ed from the factory PlU'ment of the first u..I- 3193. SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK : Will the ment was made in full by the dae ... Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI· In addition a sum of Rs. 95,890 '92 Paise TATION be pleased to state : has also been paid upto 15·2-1968 out of tho (a) whether Wage Boards and such other second instalment. Committees appointed for the fixation of (b) Docs DOt arise. wages of the factory and other workers are required to keep in view tile question (e) No, Sir. of co-relating the wages with the out·turn (d) Does not arise. of a worker; (b) if not, whether Government propose to issue any direction in this reprd; and SUGAR FACTORIES IN KF.RALA (e) if not, the reasons therefor ? 3195. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND Will the MInlIter of FOOD ANT> ACHtI- REHABILITATION (SHRI HATHI) : ~ pleased to state : (a) The task of evolving a wage slnx:ture (II) the installed capacity of tho IUIfIl on an aU·India basis in mllior orpnised factories in K.era1a State and tile quantity industries is usually entrusted to Wage of sugar produced by them ill 1967; Boards set up from time to time. The Wage Boards which are tripartite in character are (b) whether it is a fact that UIese fact«i. reqaind, by tbeir 1eons of ~ take are wockina far ouly a part oC tile _n ineo lICOO\IIIt the desirability of extcDdin& the due to ~i of SDprcanc; aad system of payment by resuhs. (el if !III, 1M sleps heinl taIleR .for c:aIli- (b) and (c). Do not arise. vat ion of IIIIIIIICIIIe for dwte fMlteriea ? 2191 Writ/ell Allswers MARCH 7, 1968 W,.iltt'll A.nswers 2292

    MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE fftliff iii) ~i~ ~~ ~ MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULtuRE, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND mlliTQ'nt;n COOPERATION : The instaJled capadty of tbe 3197. 'It) ~ ~ ~ : iflrr sup!' factories in Kerala State is 0·34 lakh tonacs and the sugar produced by them dur- .mr "'" ~.. ~ ~ ornf.t ~ 1i'IT ~ ing 1966-67 season was 10,244 tonnes. fit;: (b> Yes, Sir. (e) Efforts are being made by the State (!ti) iflrr ~ ~~ fifo" !ifi",it ~ Govt. and the factories to increase the pro- ~~i~~~~ duction of sugarcane. The State Govt. has allotted some forest land to the Mannam iAf.r 'lit ~ ~ ~ it ~

    CENTRAL W AREHOUSINO CORPORATION

    3196. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: '-Ia, f"f", ~~~~n (1"'" wm the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- ~ ~~ q ~ 1PWT ('itT ann- CULTURE be pleased to state : ~ ~ (ifo");;IT or@' I (a) the number of staff working on depu· tation in tbe Central Warehousing Corpora- ~ Wonft ~ I tion with their names, designation and dura- tion of deputation ; (b) the saving to the Central Warehousing Corporation if the staff on deputation is replaced by recruiting/promoting direct employees; and (e) the steps taken to replace the staff by 3198. 'It) ~ ""'" ~ : iflrr the Central Warehousing Corporation's ~ ~ ~ 1i'IT ~ fit; : oWDstaff ? ornf.t 'lit THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (!ti) iflrr ~ ~ ~ fit; ~ ~ MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, ~~~~i~ ott COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB ~ ~ ~ ~ n~ ..n OIFIt'Ii if SHINDE) : A statement is laid on the ~ Table of tbe House. [Placed in Library. am See No. LT-38S/68). (.-) ~~i~~~~ (b) Savings to the Central Warehousing 'f>;f iA' ~ 'lit ~ ~ Corporation worked on this basis alone would be both hypothetical and mislcading as it will not take into account the overall operational efficiency of the Corporation ~ (l"1f' ~ '"'" " m'Q' which can be achieved by employing experi- ".l ~ 10 ~~ (ifo");;ft, enced and mature personnel in certain fields ~ of its activities. (0) This question has been under constant (.-) ~ ~ ~ q ar;nit "" review and clecisions are taken from time to 'Ii11I" 196fr69 ~ ~ ~ arR time, in keeping with the interest of the mr..- Central Warehousing CorporaticD. ~~~ 2193 WrillCII Allswers PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Writtell Allswers 2194

    ~ ~ "..-n: f-'ti1f q ~ ~ ~~ ii~ '! .,liif<14i, 'JfUr4T Rr<'I'T ~ ~ ~ 3199. ~ """ \Ofl<'f ~ : W (;;flm;rrlft) it T

    Posts and Telegraphs Department during (b) To prevent smuggling, movement of 1967; foodgrains to and from the Union territory (b) ",hether it is also a fact that there are cannot take place without permits. lhe still a number of unlicensed radio sets; system of border check-posts is also in exis- tence. (c) if so, the action taken to detect them; and

    (d) the penalty, if any. imposed on the COAL MINES PROVIDENT FUND defaulters? 3204. SHRI DEVEN SEN : Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MInister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- DEPARTMENTS OF PARLIAMENTARY TATION be pleased 10 state: AFFAIRS AND COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) : (a) Yes. (a.) the total amount outstanding frcm defaulting employers in 1964-65 and 1965-M, (b) It is likely. in the Coal Mines Provident Fund; and (c) Extensive checks are carried out by (b) t he steps which have been take against the anti-cvasion staff of the Department the deraulting employers ~ inJividually ~ in squads to detect the existence of unlicensed radio sets. A spe- cial step taken this year is the declaration of THE MINISlER OF LABOUR AN!) an amnesty for a period of three months REHABILITATION (SHRI HAlHI) from 1st February. 1968 during which period (a) Thc amounts in default are- a licence may be obtained for unlicensed 1964-65 .. Rs. 67·1 lakhs. radio sets without payment of surcharge and 1965-66 .. Rs. 91' 5 lakhs. also without production of proof of the (b) The following steps have been taken: source and date of acquisition. (d) Those who arc detected having un- 1964-65 1965-66 licensed radio sets arc called upon to pay Show cause notices licence fee due and surcharge equal to one issued 595 570 year's licence fee. faili"g which the offencers Proseculions launched 134 130 are prosecutod under the Indian Telegrzph Certificate cases ins- Act, t 885 or the Indian Wireless Telegraphy tituted 184 149 Act, IQ33 as the case may be. -._... ------~~

    SMUGGLING OF FOODGRAI)O;S 1"10 DELHI COAL MINES PROVIDENT FUND

    ~ SHIU BENI SHANKER 3205. SHRI DEVEN SEN : Will the SHARMA: Minister of LABOUR AND REHABILI- SHRI D. C. SHARMA: TATION be pleased to state: Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- (a) the number of subscribers to the Coal- CULTURE be pleased to state: mines Provident Fund retrenched in 1965 and 1966; (a) whether Delhi has become a smug- glers' paradise ever since the removal of (b) whether it is a fact that the number of' restrictions on open sale of wheat and rice such retrenchment is increasing; and in Delhi; and (c) if so, the stops which are proposed to- (b) if so, the steps taken to check this combat it ? menace '! THE MINJSTER OF LABOUR AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE REHABiLITATION (SHRI HATHl) : ~ OF FOOD. AGRICULTURE. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND (a) 1965 8,154 COOPE1lAT10N (SHRI ANNASAHIB 1'966 .. 11.326 SHINDE) : (a) No. Sir. (b) Yes. 2197 Writ/t>If AII.rwers PHALGU,",A 17. 1889 (SAKA) Writ/ell AIMM'er.r 2198:

    (c) '!be Industrial Disputes Act. 1947 and the funds of Bharat Sewak Samaj. Nagpur the Rules made thereunder lay down proce- Branch; dures for retnmchment, payment ofretrenclt- (b) whether any inquiry has been held in ment compensation and re

    3206. ,,1 ~i 'U1I' n~ : ~ 3208. ~~ lI11f t'r'fr ttfq #m ~ iRI'R ,.;r !i'lT tfl .ctron : m m f.ti : "" "'" ~ ~ ~ amf.f IIf\' w;qr ~i : ( "') {II

    32117. SHR! K. M. KOUSHIK : Will the "" ~ """'" qr ~ ~ : Miniltar of FOOD AND AGRICULTURE (II\') ~ ~ 49- be pJcascd to state : ~ 104 (a) whether it is a fact that there was a deflllcaliOD of Rs. 1.27,000/- or shortare in ~~ 4,70& 1199 Wrillen Answers MARCH 7, 1968 Written Answers 2200

    (.:) ~ q'( ~~ ~ (c) On receipt of the strike notice the dis- pute was taken up in conciliation by the I';.Mt 3 . Assistant Labour Commissioner (Central), ~ ~ 6 2 Chhindwara. The conciliation proceeding >'{oIT cftif 0197 285 I have, however, ended in failure and the matter is under the active consideration of ~ ~~ lfn1Til" ;:fe1(f ~~ '1, f"l'IlJ'ffl' ij; f<'T1:I; "3"f- 3110. SHRI M. R. SHARMA: SHRI K. N. PANDEY: l!'ffl' ii~ olff'Ff ~ 'l'll:Tll:Ti't Will the Minisler of LABOUR AND ~~ ~i ~ fqq"ll' ~ crT *ilii «>:m TATION be pleased 10 slate: 8-1-68 to 23-1-6H. There was no lock- out. (a) whether it is a fact that a strike notice has been servcu by the Young India Khan- Ib) At the inlervention of the State dan Mazdoor Trade Union on NeWlon Labour Department, a settlement between Chikly Collieries on the 15th January, the parties was reached and siFned on 1968 demanding implementation of the Coal ~~~ and the strike was called off with Wage Board's award on categorization and effect from 14-"-68. TI,e main issue re- pay for Sundays' work etc.; garding payment of dearness allowance has been referred to adjudication. (b) whether it is also a fact that most of the old workers are being discharged on various pleas without 'LOy compensation and service conditions are being changed ~ ~~ii auf"" ~ illegally for all; and ~~ (c) if so, the steps \\ hich Government propose to take to protect the rights of work- ers? 3 211. ~i 1I'.r,'\' f(f'It;JfQ' ;o1f: W {I:ttl' ~ i ~ lRft ~ 'T ~ THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND REHABILITATION IfSHRI jHA1 HI) : I,) mfil; : Yes. The strike notice however is cated the ~ lflTT ~ m if rim if; 16th January, 1968. ~ if; ~ if <:$ ~ (b) The ficlcl officers of the Central ~ ~ ~ ~ Industtial Relations Machinery arc examin- II>'T lft i ng the matter. ftr:mfuiT ~ ~ if ~ ~ ~ 2201 Writtell Allswers PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Wrillell A'UlI'trs 2202

    ~ 1l ~ if; 3ITIl'1": q<: ~ q<: 19681l ~ m ~ fitid;rr ~ ~ i~~ 3fTlI'Rf rn;r.r ~ !fO( ~~ ~ am: ('I ) ~ ~ 1l ~ fitid;rr ~ mIif ('I) ~ (l't ~ *icr 1l ~ ~ mff if; ~ ~ am: fiI;Qorr ~ 'flIT ~ : ~ ~ am: l'fRi' if. ~ lfrn if; ~ i'f'l' ~ ~ 'W I 1%7 if!'f mr ;;r;{4I ~ ~ ~ ~ tt 1,000 3fTlI'Rf;r.r ~~ ~ q ~ '1l'!'fif ~ :rol ~ it ~ lfm t 'llf if; f,W (;r.) ~ 1967 ij'

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    ~ ~ 3l"if (tT) f.\1Tlr '1fT THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~i ~ ~ arm:cnmr ~ MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. ~ 'R 3l'rmf'm ~~ I COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CO OPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB SHIN- DE) : (a) The Trade Representation of the U.S.S.R. in India had alTered to supply, LoNG-TERM AGRICULTURAL CREDIT in addition to 4,000 DT-14B tractors thc t"QR FARMERS IN ORISSA import of which was arranged in 1967. 6,000-7,000 such tractors during 1967 and 3217. SHRJ CHJNTAMANI PANI- the first half of 1968.

    THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (i) As per the tests carried out under MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, our conditions, it developes 18·4 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND draw-bar h.p. as against 12· 2 by COOPERATION (SHRJ M. S. GURU- DT-14B. PADASWAMY) ': (a) The estimated pro- (ii) It has 10 forward speeds as aaainst -gramme of the Orissa Co-operative Land 4 in DT-14B. The wide ranae of Mortgage Bank in 1966-67 was Rs. 100 sp:cds available on this tractor and lakhs. The programme in 1967-68 is the $pacing of speeds in the different Rs. lOS lakhs. gears enables selection of the most (b) According to provisional figures, thc appropriate gear which improves disbursement of lona-term loans in 1966-67 its efficiency and economy for feIe! was Rs. 106 lakhs. The year 1967-68 is not operations. yet over, and it is expected that the estimat- (iii) It has a road speed of 21· 60 kmph ed programme will be fulfilled. as against 12·7 kmph in DT-14B tractor. (iv) It bas double stallC clutch and also IMPORT OF TRACTORS FROM U.S.S.R. ground power take off .t"',.... ~ ~ . DURING 1967-68 are necessary for operating Rome of the power take off driven aaricul- 3218. SHRJ MOHAN SWARUP: tural machines. Will the Minister of FOOD AND (v) It has hydraulic brakes wbich ure AGllICULTURE be pleated to state : effective. (a) whether it is a fact that the U.S.S.R. (vi) It has a hydra,ulic system which Government offered to supply 10,000 small incorporates both position and drat;, DT-I4B tractors in 1967-68; control which enable. easy and efficient operation of mounted Imple- (b) if so, the number of such tractors ments. aareed upon to be imported; and 2207 W,;/lCIl AIl.,was MARCH 7, 1968 Wr;lIen Allswers nos

    (vii) It has differential locking system IMPORT OF TRACTORS FROM U.S.S.R. which improves the tractive ability under difficult soil conditions. 3220. SHRI MOHAN SWARUP Will Ihe Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- (viii) It has foot-operated clutch which CULTURE be pleased to state : is more easy to operate and has a two cylinder engine which is smooth (a) the value, number and horse ~ of agricultural tractors proposed to i~ in operation. ed from U.S.S.R. during 1968-69; and (b) the time schedule for these imports?

    CzECH AND RUSSIAN TRACTORS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD. AGRICULTURE. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND 3219. SHRI MOHAN SWARUP : Will COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL- SHINDE) : (a) and (b). No decision has so TURE be pleased to state : far been taken on the number of agricultu- (a) whether it is a 'fact that Agro-Indus- ral tractors to be imported from the U.S.S.R. tries Corporations. have advertised that during 1968-69; however the (lnly model Czech 2011 tractors handled by them for which is being considered for import is distribution are of 25 H.P. whereas Ihese DT-14B which has a drawbar horse power tractors are only of 20 H.P. ; of 12·2. The question of scheduling the (b) if so, whether one of the reasons for imports wi 1 be taken up after the import doing so is to create an impression that the programme is finali,ell. tractors are compelitive in price with import- ed DT-14B tractors, which costs nearly SUGAR QlJ01 A FOR ORISSA half of the Czech 2011 tractors; and (e) the engine and draw-bar Horse 3221. SHRI K. P. SINGH OEO : Will , Powers of Czech 2011 tractor and Russian the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- DT-14B tractor. separately? CU LTURE be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that Orissa State THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE was receiving 6,000 tonnes of sugar per MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. m(lnth which has now been reduced to 2,400 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND tonnes per month; COOPERATION ( SHRI ANNASAHIB (b) if so, the reasons thereror; and SHINDE) : (a) and (b). No advertisement (e) whether there is any likelihood of the was issued by the Agro-Industries Corpora- original quola of sugar being restored '! tions, Mis. Motokov, manufacturers oj' Zetor tractors, have issued adevertisements of zctor-2011 tractors through Ihe Czecho- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE slovak Trade Representation in India MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, in whieh the tractor has been described as COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND having 25 horsepower. The horse power CO-OPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB indicated in the advertisement is the brake SHINDE) : (a) Yes. Sir. the State of Orissa horse power of the engine fitted to tractor was receiving a monthly sugar quota of bllt with/l.Qt ~i in metric units ~ 6,200 tonnes upto February, 1967 out of a per Gonnan En@ineTestl'rocedures(D.1.N.) total monthly release of 2· 52 lakh tonnes. and is not the draw-bur horse power of the The present monthly sugar quota of the traclor. State is 2,386 tonnes out of a total release of (c) The engine horsepower of the Zetor I lakh tonnes. 2011 is 20 at 2,000 r.p.m. while that of the (b) Fall in production of sugar. The DT 14B is 14 at 1,600 r.p,m.; the drawbar quotas of other States have been reduced horsepower of the former is 18,4 while Ihat similarly. of the latter is 12,2. The drawbar horse- (c) Restoration of quota will become power of both the models has been tested in possible as soon as yearly sugar production India. picks up sufficiently. 2209 Written ..4MWII'I PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (S..4K..4) ~n n~n ~

    DEMONSlllATION BoY P & T EMPLOYH5 (c) The CcDtraI Government is not aware IN TRlcHua DISTIUCT of any such display of tiace skins for salc. (d) No such proposal is under the consi- 3222. SHRI E. K. NAYANAR : Will the "Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be deration of the Government ofJndia at pre- sent. However, this matter would be pleased to state : examined. ea> whether it is a fact that the P & T emploYees in Trichur District (Kerala State) staged a demonstration before the Divisional MANUFACI'URE OF SU.GAR Engineer's Office on the 15th February, 1968; and 3224. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA : Will (b) if so, the action Government propose the Minister of FOOD AND AGRICUL- to take to meet their demands? TURE be pleased to state: (a) whether Government's attention bas THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been drawn to the news-item published in 'DEPARTMENTS OF PARLIAMENTAR Y the Indian Naticn. Patna of the 21st Feb- AFFAIRS AND COMMUNICATIONS fuary, 1968 that a new electrical process for (SHRI I.K.GUJRAU :(a) Yes. the manufacture of white sugar without the (b) The demonstration WIIS staged as a USe of sulphur and yielding more in quantity protest against the delay in construction of and beller in quality sugar and molasses, staft' quarters. has been evolVed by Prof. D. N. Ghosh of Patna University; and A site measuring S'2 acres for the ,P&T (b) ifso, whether Government Propose to . office buildins.' and staff qual·te" had heen apply this neW method in sugar industries? taken over in 1965. A Schemeforconstruc- tion of 52 quarters at an estimated cost of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Rs. 7'4Iakhs, has already been approved by MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, . Government and the work has been budget- COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND. ed for 1968-69. COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB SHINDE) : (a) The electrical pioCes' of manufacturing white sugar without the ~ SLAUGHTlR OF WILD LII'E of sulphur was invented by Prof. D. N. Ghosh of the Patna University in 1947. 3223. SHRI M. L. SONDHI : Will the This proccss was tried in the eXPerimental 'Minister of FOOD AND AGRICULTl!RE sugar factory "I' the National Sugar Institute, he ~ to state: Kanpur during 1951-52 and then allain after (a) whether Govcrnment life ~ of somc modifications during I'IS5-S6. The indiscriminate slaughter of wild life which is rcsults were not satisfactory. After some taking place in the country; further modifications Prof. Ghosh gave laboratory ,demonstrations of this proCess in (b) the main purpose behind this slaught- May-June, 1964 at the ni~ Tlk: er; Institute was of the i~ that the procc6s (c) whether it i, a fact thllt aboUl 1000 was costlier than the ellisting proce.s and skins of tiger were on sale in Delhi last would not be workable on a large scale. J month; and After consulting seme eminent scientists. III the Development Council for Sugar hldu..:.·y·, (d) if so. whether Government propo,c to decided in May. 1967 that no further trials place some limit on the sale of animal skins? were necessary. (b) Docs not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ~ Of PANTHERS IN CALCUtTA Zoo ,COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB SHINDE) : (a) No such case of indiscrimi- 3225. SHRI C. K. BHATTACHAR- nate slauahter has been brought to the notice YYA : Will the Minister of FOOD AND of the Government of India. AGRICULTURE be pkasc:d to state: (b) Docs not arise.

    3227. SHRI MADHU LIMAYE n~~~~ Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- CULTURE be pleased to state: ~~ ~ 3226. 'It (a) whether Government's atltntir n has IIltr ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ lift 'PIT been drawn to the evidence given by the ~ former Director General of Feed in the Election Petition against Shri George ('Ii) ;;p;rr ~ lIi! fcr;m:: ~ Fernandes before Justice Kanta\\ala (f the q;: ~ ~ ~ lIi! ~ lfR ~ 'Bombay High Court in September last; am: and ;:r) 'fiif; am: (b) if so, the action taken by the then (V) lfR ~ 3lffirlIi ~ ~ ~ Director General. Food when he came to '3I'RIT ~ eft ~ stftrncr ~ lIi! know that a Minister in the Food Ministry has directly asked for the file/files rdatir g to ~~i~ ~ the Apeejay Shipping Lines' rice import ~~~i~~i fraud? ~~ ? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND W11I', ~ 'R! ~ ,,1iIr, f... COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIR ~ ~ 1:mI' 'Aft (r,ft at'RT- SHIN DE) : (a) Yes, Sir. mf\_fuit) : (lIi) ~ (V). ~ (b) It has not been rccorded on the file ~ 1ft,;;ft ~~~ as to whether the Director General of Food came to know then that the DePuty Minis- ~ ~ m¥ am: ~ tcr had called for the file. In any case no ~ ~ il1lf'Ii ~ lIi! ~ action was called for as a Minister is per- fectlyentitled to call ror a file relating to his .' ~ ~

    nandes before Justice Kantawa1a of the suilicient quantity as a result of which many Bombay High Court in September last; of them are likely to be closed; and (b) if so, tbe action beina taken by (b) the circumstances under which the Government to keeP them runnill&; Director General did not bring the matter (c) whether arranlcmcnts are beinl made put up by the DePuty Secretary (Imports) to make paddy available to them from other to the attention of the Secretary, Food rice producina States: and Department or the Food Minister? (d) if not, the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTURE, COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND SHINDE) : (a) Yes, Sir. COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASAHIB (b) There is nothing on record to show SHINDE) : (a) No such complaint reprd- why the then Director General of Food ing the likely closures has so for been reo did not bring the maller to the attention ceived. of the Food Minister or the Food Secretary (b) to (d). Do not arise. when the file was put up to him. When a file is put up to an officer and he disposes of it at his own level, it is not customary for him to record as to why the file is not being AORO-INDUSTRIAL CORPeR ... ' 'ON marked by him to the next higher officer. 323()'A. SHRI ANBUCHEZHIAN : SHRI DEIVEEKAN : MEDICAL FAC'lLlTlES TO INDUSTRIAL SHRICHENGALRAYA WORKERS NAIDU: 3229. SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK Will the Minister of LABOUR AND Will the Minister cf FOOD AND AGRl- REHABILITATION be pleased to state: CULTURE be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a facl that medical facili- ties given to industrial workers covered by (a) whether it is a fact that the AI1o· the Employees' State Insurance Scheme ex- Industrial Corporation has docided to .lIp· tend to their dependents up to the age of ply agricultural machinery, equipment and 18; its accessories on hire·purchase basis 10 farmers; (b) whether Government have received any representation that these benefits should (b) the main features thereof: and be extended to the dePendents up to the age (c) how far this scheme will benefit the of 21, subject to the exception of daughters farmers ? who get married and sons who get em- ployed before that age; and \ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN nIE (c) if so, the reaction of Government MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRICULTUU, thereto? COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND COOPERATION (SHRI ANNASABUt REHABILITATION (SHRI HATH!) : SHINDE) : (a) and (b). There are .. allro-industries corporations and a fow_ (a) Yes. are likely to come into existence shortly; (b) Yes. .... however, it is a fact that some of these c:or- (c) Not considered feasible at present. poration. have already taken up hiro-pur·· RICE MILLS IN RAJASTHAN chase schemes in resPeCt of alricultwal machinery etc. The volume of the opera- 3230. SHRI MEETHA LAL MEENA: tions and the tyPe of equipment will dift'er Will the Minister of FOOD AND AGRI- from Corporation to COrPOration. Tbe CULTURE be pl..-:d to state: cultivators availinl of the benefits of this (a) Whether it is a faa tbatthe rice miUs alTJUllClllCnt will be required to deposit in Rajasthan are not IOItinl paddy in I ~ of the COlt as down payment and 2215 Kidnappin, of MARCH 7, 1968 ~ by Chi"." Em- 2216 buIy ~ GIItII'ds ~ would have to repay the balance over a period Attention Notiec.s about this reponed kid- of )'Cars together with interest whicb would napping of an Indian Police Constable by ,enerally be around 9% Per annum. On the the Red Guards of the Chinese Embassy realisation, by the Corperation, of the cost in New Delhi. As the matter raised is a of the equipment through hire charges ttc serious one, I have admitted the notiCe for cultivator would have the oplion of acquiT- today though I have received it only this iDI the equipment on payment of a nominal momingandI have admitted it immediately. amount. He would be required 10 main- Now, I would request Shri Surendranath tain, during the period of the hire, the equip- Dwivedy, who has secured first place in the ment in perfect working order. ballot, to call the attention of the Miniltcr (c) The scheme will benefil fanners wilh of Home Affairs on that. modest incomes considerably. They are SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY at present not in a posilion to acquire agri- (Kendrapara) : Sir, I call the attention of cultural machinery and equipment because the Minisler of Home Affairs to the follow- they are unable 10 pay Ihe cost at a time. i ng matter of urgent public importance and With the system of deferred pa)m1i. ~ « cit ~ rtt\' ~ I ~ f<:ro; ~ ~ ~ m(t lZ·:UIl'8. ~~ii~i CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF URGENT PUBLlC IMPORTANCE -n "'! ~ ~ : ~ II am: m-« ~ ifIlI' 3ITlf t ? REPORTED KIDNAPPII

    What will hapPen then? What is the pro- DELHI SPECIFIED FooD A1mcus (Mo\'!!- tection for him? I want protection for him. MENT CoNTROL) AMENDMENT ORDIIIt It is Ii question of the freedom of the press. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN MR. SPEAKER: Order. order. Your THE MINISTRY OF FOOD, AGRI- name is there. Will you kindly sit down? CULTURE. COMMUNITY DEVE- SHRI M. L. SONDtlJ : Why was LOPMENT AND CO-OPERATION not Parliament informed yesterday ? (SHRI ANNASAHIB SHINDE): (/flterruption<) I beg \0 lay on the Table a copy of the Delhi Specified Food Articles (Movemoot MR. SPEAKER : Order. order. Shri Control) AmenLiment Order. 1968, pub- Madhu Limaye wanted to know the fiVe lished in Notification No. G.S.R. 362 in names which have come in ballot. These Gazette of India dated the 21st February. are : Shri Surendranath Dwivedy. Sbri 1968, under sub-section (6) of section 3 of M.L. SonLlhi, Shri Vishwanath Pandey. the Essential Commodities Act, 1955. Shri K.N. Tiwary and Shri Kameshwar [Placed in library, See No. LT-373/68]. Singh. These are the names which I have gllt. It would be answered at 5·50 before We 12'06 hrs. take UP the other discussion. ESTIMATES COMMITTEE Now Mr. K. K. Shah. TWENTIETH, TWfNTYFIRST, TWENTYSI!COND AND THIRTYFIFTH REPORTS SHRI D. C. SHARMA (Gurdaspur) : SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH My name is also there .. (/llIerrupliolls) (Nandyal): I beg to present the following SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH Reports of the Estimates Committee:- (Nandyal) : May I make a submission? (I) Twentieth, Twenty-first and Twenty- second Reports on action taken by MR. SPEAKER: Now papers to be Government on the recommendations laid on the T"ble. contain,'d in the Hundred and fifth, Mr. K .K. Shah. Hundred and sixth and Hundred and seventh Reports of Estimates Commillcc tT f1r.ft- Nearly 40 or 50 motions are there ...... '1lId" ~ ~~ iffi;;ti ~ ~ MR. SPEAKER : No, no. He may ~ >tT fir<:it-'1lId" «'1ft ~ it; please sit down. ~ # ~ f1r.ft ~ I m ~ SHRI S. S. KOTHARI : I only Want 10 ~i~~~ I submit this point. If half an hour can be found for half-an-hour discussions. at ~~~~ least 45 minutes should be found for these ifi"Ifuit!fit f1f;;ft-'1lId", m-o-iJio ~ no-day-yet-named motions. These are more ~i~i~~~ imporlant than many of those issues. it; ~ ~ it; 'fTIf i'hr ~ MR. SPEAKER : He may sit down. ~~ I i~~i SHRI S. S. KOTHARI : I have suffered in all these thi n8s. ~ ~~ ~ lIT aNT;;it ~ ~~~~~ MR. SPEAKER: Maybe, it looks like that. All thase questions arc diocu!\SCd in t I ~ ~~ it; ~ 3fMifllf",fi 2221 Industrial and PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Licensing Policy 2222 Reports (M.) if am: ~ ~ '!Rf.t ~ ~ ~ ~~~~~~ roff ~ w ~ I!ft mmo it'ft mm tl ~~i~ ~~ii~~~ m11ff ItiT am: ~ ~ ItiT ~ ft;ro; ~ ? m ~ f1mrr ~ atfit- ~~~~~ ~ lIi'TroiT ifiT ;:mr 4' 1m ~ ~ ~ ~ 3IliU44idl W ~ I!ft ~ fit; ~i ~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~i~~ "B. N. Saxena, Chief Executive of the ~i~~~~~ Birla group of industries in Delhi. He is the brother-un-Iaw of K. B. Lall. Secretary m t I at'6Im ~ iro ~ to Ministry of Commerce. ~~i~~i Dharampal Singh, deputy to Saxena. ~~ ~~~~~ He retired as Deputy Chief Controller ~ ~ ~ m'l' ~ ~ ~ of Imports and Exports in November. am: If1ftw 1966. and in March this year joined i~~~~~i~ the Birlas. ~ it; ~ i~~ Iia-smm-m ~ Ananda Deva Tayal is the brother-in-law ~ ~ 4ft i~ 1ft t dl tm' ~ iii ·of the notorious Dharma Vira, now Gover- 4t ~ ~ ~ ~~~~~ A. C. Banncrjec, relative of L. K. Jha. formerly Secretary to the Prime Minister. ~~~~~~ now Governor of the Reserve Bank. ( 1) ~ 'R <'I'1l'\1IT ~ A. V. R. K. Shastari is related to a big lI'firiI'a- boss in the Board of Direct Taxes. fit; ~ ~ 00 "', ~ i!lT ~ I if4't ~ 3f1tj' ~ ~ ~ 3f1tj' ~ ~ A. S. Srivastauv. a relative of a Joint 'Secretary to the Government of India. ~~i~ am: an. ~ I 3f1tj' ~ ~ ri ~ 3f1tj' I!ft an. H. C. Jain was sackrd by the Birlas in ~ 3f1tj' ~ ~ ~ August last following the 'priority call' l!romft rn- scandal. He is a relative of L. C. Jain. ~ I am: m 3f1tj' ro ~ If>W Secretary to the Ministry of Transport and ~ ~ ~~~~ Communications. m!fliT H'" ~~~~~~i~~ He was sacked by Birlas after he was 'R ~ "I1lf.r 'tiT ? exposed in that scandal." aT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ (2) ~~~~~ ~ ~ ~ m~ ~ 3IM4iI f<4'j ~~~~~i 2223 indus/rial and MARCH 7, 1968 Licennng Po/icy Reports 222't, n~~ 'fi1 a(R ~i 3lf'il'" ~ ~~~ i~~ ~ ~ ~ i~ ~ ;;f,t ~ I aNT 'M ~ 3f'Olr I am 't ~ i:t

    H this is the way in which they had been If Mr. Birla or, say, m)·sclf. wanted to dealing. what is wrong? Is scmething wrong start an industry, which bank would with the industrial Act 01' the licensing give me that much credit which they can policy or with Birlas? Any private entre- command and which foreign eollaborater preneur will certainly do as much as he can would look at me and which technician will within that law. The implementation of the place his technical know-how at my disposal '! licensing policy has gone a,tray. Our' Therefore. there arc certain things at which duty, therefore. is to sec that the policy is set one may be good or one may not be capable. right rather than blame some individual Certain People are capable for something or industrial holtse. The licensing autho- and certain people are not. I am a good rities may have gone wrong or may be the lawyer but I am not certain if I am a good whole policy has gone astray. It would in~n or a good ini~ not, therefore. be fair to make a scapegoat . of some industrial house and say that they AN HON. MEMBER: You arc a good are wrong. The law Permits them to apply for liCences and this is still a free country. advocate. Anyone can apply for an industrial licenCe SHRI SHANTILAL SHAH : Yes. So. and he may get a licence or may not get Sir, if I think that the industry is in the a license. The only grievance that can be interests of my country, I will certainly say made against them was that they Were thu, so. That is not wrong, and in running any able to pre-empt a large number of licences. industry there is nothing wrong about it. If they were able to pre-empt what the Therefore. my main point is this. In 'licensing authorities doing? If one indu,- such matters, let us not look at it from an . trial house gets a number of i~n it is individual point of view. When the coun- not the fault of that house; it is not the fault try is developing, the first thing is to pro- of the applicants if they get a licence. If duce goods, and unless the country pro- there are too many people who apply. the duces goods, the question of distribution of 'Iicensing authority has to see whether the goods, the question of new wealth and there was any necessity, who has the capa- so on will not arise. I am afraid that , city and who will be able to do it? rather than encouraaing production and In the matter of starting neW industries. then thinking about distribution we arc it requires an active. imaginative policy and first thinking as to how the goods shall be "enterprise. In all these, what is wrong if distributed before they are produced. 2229 Industrial alld PHALGl)NA 17. 1889 (SAKA) Licensing PoIi,·,. 2230 Reports (M.) There are certain· defects which have given at paJIC 74. It is not necessary for been pointed out in the J'IlCommendation. us to go into it. One thillghas been They should he looked into, and Prof. mentioned that after making an application Hazari, both in the interim report and the and after a licence is given, they do Dot tinal report, has made a telling point which follow it up. I would certainly say that I am afraid we have heen overlooking. a person who applies for a licence ought That is with reference to the market me- to follow it up when it is given. But it is cbanism. Market mechanism is an element no use blaming them only. A man in the in economics of which notice is now being private sector will do what suits him. But taken all over the world. It is a theory if the licence was not followed up, could which is developing, and unless we look it not be cancelled and given to somebody into the market mechanism more and else? Why were not these remedial more and cease to rely on licensing less actions taken? Let us not 110 into indivi- and less, we will not succeed. duals findiDIL out who is at fault and so on. The Government has appointed two com- After all, what will licences do? It is a mittees-one under Prof. Thacker and an- negative policy. The licensing policy can other Cabinet sub-committee to deal with say, "this shall not be done," but it can it. Let us try a new experiment. Let us never say that this shall be done. What give up putting in too many curbs and ought not to he donc, onc can prevent. controls by way of Iicensinll. etc. Let us 'The necessity today is not to prevent things attend more to the market mechani'm. but to sec that things are done. For that both in the public and private sectors. purpose we ought to make better use of thc Before we come to distribution. if we ,cc market mechanism. That is referred to that the goods are produced and the country at page I S, para 12·3 of the interim report beeomes wealthy not in cuner.lY rules tutin of Prof. Hazari from which I may quote: the sense of possessing goods and services, then this discussion would be fruitful. "In a mixed economy, with a relatively Otherwise. it will be just a discllssion with small but fast growing public sector some people saying that the capitalists arc in industrial production. and a large good and some others saying that capitalists but not so fast growing private sector are bad. All capitalists are not bad and subject to various administrative all capitalists are not good. Good and controls, the allocation of resourees bad are equally distributed amongst all of is guided by a combination of market us· forces and administrative directions. Since the private sector generate, SHRI S. M. BANERJEE CKanpur) the bulk of resources. which The Government is bad. arc a common pool upon which both public and private sectors SHRI SHANTILAL SHAH : Some draw and since economic activity Governments are bad and some are good. takes place in a traditionally ~ Bad governments like those in West Bengul environment, it is obvious that lhe will go and good governmenls will conti- market mechanism is in fact of nue. greater import than administrative My suggestion is that this report .houlu fiat." be seriously considered. The mistskes in the licensing policy oUlht to be corrected What has heappcned is that wc arc and market mechani!m. which i. a new neglecting the market mechanism and we experiment suggested in the reporl. ou,ht te' have tried to 110 ahead with production with be developed. This is the way in which the licensing policies, and for all that, a licence discussion will be fruitful. is not a thinll which can produce; it can only curtail and curb. Therefore it is hillh time SHRI J. B. KRIPAlANI (Guna) : Sir. that rather than spendinll all our time on I have not much to say about this report. this, let us see bow we can have more pro- I do not believe that this professor had any duction and how by that production we enmity with anybody. But there is no can improve the country's wealth. A doubt that he seem. to "ave been taken Jong list of Birla applications bas been away by hi. own theories and he has lone 2231 Industrial and MARCH 7, 1968 Licensrng Policy Reports 2232 (M.) [Shri J. B. Kripalaoi] think today everybody would like to throw far beyond his allocaled tasks. He has a stone to prove that he is innocent. I think gone into the question, if I may say so, Ihis report should again be sent to the whether our planning is right or wrong and Planning Committee and there is no need into financial and monetary question,. He of appointing a separate committee for, has lone into a variety of subjccts and made examining it. a variety of recommendations. I do not understand why this report should Further, Sir. he has talked of certain' have come here. It should have gone to things. For instance, take the nationalisa- those who appointed him to do this job. tion ot' banks. Nationalisation of banks.. Wby appoint a committee ur.dcr Pro. under a Government that is corrupt? I Thacker or somebody else or have a sub- really \I onder at my communist friends and conunittee to consider this reporl? Did this at my socialist friends. They blow hot report go to Ihose who had appointed this ami cold in the same breath. They con- gentleman 10 do certain i,.vestigations? demn this Government as corrupt. The) condemn that this Government does not A lot has been said here about the HOllse know its job. Then they want to put a\l the of Birlas. Birla brothers. cousins or bro- economic life at the mercy of this Govern- thers-in-law. The reference to the Birlas ment. Let us be clear about that. Either was by way of an example. J cannot blame this Government is good and il must national the Birlas. The;' know that every politi- lise industries, nationalise all economic cian and administrator has" price. life and everything else with it or let us They seem to know the price that anybedy, frankly admit that this Government is whether in the administratif n or in the roLlen and the more things we put under political field, would think SI IIicier.t to it the more wi II be our loss. While the induce him to do something for them. lhey capitalist loses the money of those who are clever people and they know their busi- trust him with their mone}'. the Government ness. They have expanded their business lose' our money without OUf consent. They with the help of the Government, with Ihe may incur any amount of losses. I havc help of the administrators, with the help heard that ~ is in Bangakrc a public or the politicians. If that help were not undertaking which is called the Machine given to them they would not foreclose the Toob Factory. I am informed that Rs. licences and they would not have this big 3 erorcs worth of goods are lying there business. They also know that they must un,old. Even ifBirlas were to have Rs. 3· do something to placate public opinicn. erore' wort h of goods lying unsold they So they established many philanthropic might [1:0 into liquidation, though these institutions also. J really cannot ,ee hl W Peort, do not mind going into liquidation they can be blamed for doing all these thines. because they cun cerne up ugain and again. They are done in every society. Dr. Hazari was not an enemy to the Birla House, he 5{l let us first make up our mind whether has given only that as an example to hang we \I.ant to have a private sector or do We many of bis theories. want to have a public seCtor under this Go\crnment. As long as this Government Somebody here yesterday said that the lasts. ".hether it is private sector or it is relatives of Birlas are doing nothing and they public scctor, it will go wrong. It. is no usc are getting salaries and other advantages. blaming the capitalists. It is their busi- Let us look 10 ourselves. The relatives of ne" to amass wealth, and as loog as there politicians. their widows, their ,crs end is a private sector and the private sector is their children enjoy certain positions ~i in an economy which is arranged as the neither their education nor their ability nor economy is arranged on capitalist bases their experience justify. The Birlas at then big fortunes will be made. It is true least invest money and work. There are those that the publie create all wealth, but when io India who doing nothing had amassed wealth is in private hands some of tbe great wealth. If a commercial man docs public rely upon that 'wealth for their maio- tho same thing I think we cannot throw the tenance, for their wages, for their salaries. first stone. Let those who have not sinned Once you allow a capitalist order to exist in this mailer throw the first stone. But J where you rely upon those capitalists for 2233 Industrial and PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Ucensing Policy 2234· Reports (M.) many thilllS, many more things than you the Huari Report. I assume he was appoin- like they will be masters. ted by the Planning C)mmission, with the approval of the Government, for the ob- I take it that we have discussed enough jectives mentioned in the Report. about this report. The whole thing will have to be reviewed. We will have to think The areas of industrial planning and whether we have done well in our Plan- licensing policy in which he had to work ning. We will have to think whether we was left to his discretion. He was given two have done well in issuing licences to plivate main topics with regard to the licensing enterprise and not allowed the market system but With regard to the other detalis mechanism to function. We will have to he was given a certain amount of discretion see whether our administrators are honest. and freedom to roam into the other areas Above all, we have to sec whether our also. It seems that the Planning Commission politicians are honest, because as a Persian has selected a gentleman of its own choice proverb says, that when the political autho- to inquirc into the performance of the Com- rity takes without payment one grain of salt mission itself. I understand that he is a the administrators will loot the whole Professor and an academic economist and country. also a Director of the Times of India IIroup of concerns, owned by one of the bi8llest Let us find out whether We take grain of industrial houses. We know the history of salt without payment. I know \'ery well. these industrial houses. They are always those who are denouncing this firm ofBirla at loggerheads with one another. they pull Brothers-or cousins-have received help down each other, but titey combine allaiDst from that very source often enough, and if others when their own common selfish inte- they arc denouncing them today I think rest is affected. they have an idea that they may be paid more money to keep their mouth, shut. I understand that he is a professor and It is just as it usee! to be, gold. money this is a one-man commission. I do not was given by Britain to Danes and the know how far he was able to have his pre- Danes came again in order to get more j i~ and pre-conceived notions about the mone}. I am afraid there may be some economy of the country excluded from his people, some politicians who want more report, but after perusing the report one money from the Birlas and denounce gathers the impression that he is not able to them so that they may give more money. shed his shibboleths, ideas or ideals because I have no great love for the Birlas or the he has roamed far afidd froll1 the terms of whole tribe of them. reference and has suggested nationalisation of banking also. This is a topic wich haa lIot 'li ~ ~ ~~ : ~ ~ its ideological tones, it has aot its own ad- ministrative and political implications and ~~~i~ the ruling party and the Government have announced their policy decision about it SHRI J. B. KRIPALANI : ;;IT ~ and they have already introduced a Bill in ~ ~ they are 110t good people. ~ the other House with regard to bankina. When matters have gone so far with regord ~ ~~ i~~ ~~ to ~nn policy, this aentleman wants '1ft ~ iimp,iUt ~ I to shed light and his intelligence on the am: poliey of the Government and advise tbem We are cngaged in this hunt u'iClessly. to retrace their stePs. We ore all in the same boat; we are all sinners. Let us look to ourselves, and if It is well-known that his preliminary we behave properly, if all of us behave report or the interim report leaked out in properly, othcrs will also behave properly. the press. Within a month or two of his appointment he gave a third report and SHRI THIRUMALA RAO (Kakinada) : then another preliminory report. Before the Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I wish to offer a preliminary report has seen the li&ht of day, few remarks in an objective way on the sub- the letlers he has wtitlen to the Planninll ject whieh is under discussion today, namely Commission leaked out to the press and a 2235 Industrial and MARCH 7, 1968 Licensing Policy Reports 2236 (M.) (Shri Thirumala Rao] banking and e"trepreneur capacities and controversy rose about it. Since the pre- other matters connected with industrial liminary rePort was published, a storm was development. Therefore J say that this i~ raised about it and a discussion was also a wholly unwarranted discussion. held in the other House. Now comes the final report. SHRI AMRIT NAHATA (Barmer) Why are you participating in it then? After the final rePort, or even before the final report came. the Government of India SHRI THIRVMALA RAO : I want to appointed the Thacker Committee. This tell them not to waste the time of the House_ is not a one-man Commission but a Commi- I want to say one thing about the Planning lIee consisting of several members. It has Commission. 11 is really the Planning started working and we have seen in the Commission which is partly responsible. newspapers that Shri Thacker has complain- and for the rest of it the Government ofIndia ed that aU the leading industrial houses arc in the concerned departments, for the pre- not co-operating with him by giving the sent difficulty in industrial development_ imformation which has been wanted from When the Planning Commission was sel them. We have not heard anything more up by the late Prime Minister. Shri Jawahar- about It but we presume Ihat Ihe cummitte lal Nehru. he had great ideals and great is working smoothly and is gathering ma- plans and he largely succeeded in implemen- terial to submit its report. ting those plans about bringing up a public SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: They have no sector in industry in this country on a very offiCe. large scale. B"t. as everybody knows,. before the end of the third year of the SHRI THIRUMALA RAO : You can Third Five Year Plan the Planning Com- supply the office. mission's expectations had not been realis- Then. there is a Cabinet sub-commillcc cd. It started sagging. Its plans have consisting of ministers. How many cemm- gone away because it is a commission not ittees have gone inlo Ihis malter? One a of industrial experts, entrepreneurs and preliminary leiter which is confidential: people with any business exp:rience but then, an interim report which was published; only of people with academic qualifications then a final report and above all these or high civilians. Therefore there is always thinas there is the Thacker Committee and a snag. The Planning Commission has not the Cabinet sub-committee. That means. the capacity to implement its proposals. the Government must have come to the Still, it was considerd a super-Cabinet in conclusion that the material submitted by this Government in those days. It was a Shri Hazari is not suffiCient for them to go suppernumerary Cabinet before whom about and formulate a comprehensive every Cabinet Minister had to run wtth files policy of long standing about the industrial in his armpit to get the okey of the Plann- development of the country. ing Commission. My complaint is that they are only theoretical planners. If the When all these malters are before the constant complaints from the Chief Government where is the hurry and the ne- Ministers in the States to satisfy the cessity for Government to bring this report Planning Commission .... (Jlllerruption). before this House or that House which is a one-man report, which is a scrappy report THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- and which is also prejudiced. My sugges- TARY AFFAIRS AND COMMUNI- tion is that the discussion of this report CATlONS(DR.RAMSUBHAGSINGH) : need not have been held in this House It is totally wrong that the Cabinet Mini- or in the other House when Government ters run to anybody with files. is thinking of a more comprehensive and wide range of investigation before it comes SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH (Pali) : He is to a final decision on how industries must be wrong. Hill bearers run with the files. developed in this country and what were the shoncomings not only with regard to the DR. RAM SUlIHAG SINGH: That also licensing system but also with regard to is totally incorrect. 2237 IIrdllslriai alld PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Licellsillg Policy 2238 Reports (M.) SHRI THIRUMALA RAO : J may tell I would like to give a rew statistics here_ my hon. friend, Dr. Ram Subhag Singh. A sum of Rs. 8 crores was involved in the that his advent into the Cabinet did not misuse of licences; Rs. 6 crores durinl the coincide with the beginning' of the Planning last three years between 1962 and 1967. Commission. Dy the time Ihe Planning The survey of the Home Ministry-it is Dot Commission started fading out you have of the Industry Ministry or that of the Plann- risen as a minister. J know. several of my ing Commission-reveals that the number of friends in the Cabinet used to go and stand firms involved were 1100 and the number of before them. I was a member of the Esti- lioences covered 2200. In 1967, the C_D.l. mates Committee before whom Sir V.T. took up 2090 cases apinat public servants Krishnamachari appeared as a witness. and 246 cases against others. In the pre- I put a question to him, "You arc almost vious years, there were 2,208 and 258 cases an equal to the Prime Minister; that is the respectively. 68'4 per cent of the cases impression; is it corrlct?" He laughed it registered in 1967 arose from the information away and said, "No". gathered by the C.D.I. (lnlerruplion). It is an interesting story as revealed by the Home SHRI S. KANDAPPAN (Mettur) He Ministry. Of these, 489 cases were sent to was more than a Prime Minister. court for trial and 1,730 for departmental action. In 1967, 361 public servants, 42 SHRI THIRUMALA RAO : The Plann- gazetted officers and 319 non-gazetted and ing Commission was set up with certain 628 others were sent up for trial in courts. ideas, but it has not fulfilled those ideas. The number of public servants reported for Two senior Cabinet Ministers, one of Ihlm departmental action was 25,S3,401 gazetted an ex-Home Minister. were vice-chairmen officers and 252 non-gazetted slafl'. 452 of the Planning Ccmmission. The late cases against public servants were dropped and the present Prime Minister have seen for want of evidence. Of the cases that the futility of running the show a.. it was were sent to courts, 84·2 per cent resulted running before. The highest in the country in convictions and 86·8 per cent resulted has said that this Planning Commission has in departmental punishments. The C.D.l. developed into a great empire wtith a laid about 200 traps involving 24 aazetted building costing Rs. 2 .'I'ores which has got officers during 3 years period. About all the equipment and paraphernalia of a 400 cases of possession: of assets by public responsible Government. Dut the results servants disproportionate to their known are not commensurate with the importance sources of income were investigated. or given to it nor the money spent on it. these, 133 involved gazetted officers. Therefore, the present Prime Minister has seen to it and has, with the assistance of the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER The hon. Vice Chairman of the Planning Commis- Member may conclude now. sion and the Cabinet Minister, liquidated the Planning Commission and given a new SHRI THIRUMALA RAO : It is 8 ram- child wich is born now shorn of all its powers. pant thins. Can you fix the responsibility on any individual person or any individual If there is anything wrong with the licen- firm about this matter'! If you can prove it, sing system, if so many Iiecences have been by all means, treat with them and punish issued, what was the Department doing them. Dut until the Thackersay Committee about it? What were they doing about it'! and the Cabinet Sub-Committee 8ifts all Wherever there is a control, corruption i, the material that i. before them, there is no concomitant of it; it gives birth to corrup- point in having Ihis sort of half-hearted tion. Corruption is a child of controls_ discussion about this Report. I would like to give you a piece of news published in the National Herald in the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER The han. first issue of Sth March which gives the Member should conclude now. following information, as to how the Central SHRI THIRUMALA RAO : I want Investigation Bureau has tracked down so anotlwr S miDUtes. many officials as well as licence-holders. Misuse of licences is the heading of the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : We have 10 DeWS. adjourn for IUDCh. 2239 Industrial and MARCH 7, 1968 Ucensing Policy Reporta 2240 (M.) SHRI THIRUMALA RAO : Mter lunch, MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: That is aU. I will close. We have to adjourn . . SHRI THIRUMALA RAO : Thllllk you, MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : That is not SIr. possible. I can give you a couQle of minutes now. You conclude now. We are The Lok Sablla Adjourned fO/' lunch till short of time. Fourtcell of the clock.

    13 brs. 13.0% Ms. The Lok Sobha rcassflllbl<'" afie/' ///I,ch at SHRI THIRUMALA RAO All right, fourteen of the clock. Sir. [MR. DEPUTy-SPEAKI:R ;" tlte Chair] The question of public sector is there. There was only private sector during the MOTION RE. REPORTS ON INDUS- British days. There were only public utility TRIAL PLANNING AND LICENSING services like the Railways, Posts ~n Tele- POLICY -Contd. graphs, etc. We have reoriented the industries MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, Shri sector only after the ~n of Independence. Chintamani Panigrahi. I would request Nearly 60 per cent of our ~ industries hon. Members from the Congress Benches an: in the public sector. A lot can be ~i to confinc their remarks to ten minutes about the public sector. I have no time each, because I have to accommodate a now to say about that. But the pri- large number of them. vate sector cannot be dispensed with in this country. It is serving ~ lIseful purpose SHRI SHEO NARAIN (Basti) : For the and it is no use of talking out one indivi- Opposition Members you give even 30 dual or one concern like the Birlas who urc minutes but for us you are giving only ten the second biggest in the country. minutcs. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : They all' They have brought an industrial regene- taking their party time. So, thut kind of ration in this country. There may be corrupt complaint cannot be made. indwiduals among them and they may be SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI cought hold of and punished. But you (Bhubaneswar) : 1 was listening to the cannot destroy the whole unit of the industry. speech or rather the short intervention I can tell you that, in Andhra, they have of Shri J. B. Krip,liani. I thought that it revived certain industries like usbestos would be very interesting to hear the Alwyn and Siripur Papers which were lan- confessions of an old man and an old woman guishing and were to be closed down; they also. I took it in that light because he intervened and now they are flourishing. had said that he had not read the Hazari They have done a lot in so many directions. report at all, and it is good thai he has not I am not holding a brief for any of them, read it. For all questions, whether economic. nor am I a Birla-baiter. But I want honest political or social or scientific, cynicism is the criticism in an objective way. There may be only answer, so ~ as some people of this wrongs and mistakes both in the public country arc concerned. sector and in the private sector but it is for the Government to rectify them it is for the I do not want to deal with any personal departments concerned to rectify them, it monopoly houses or names in particular but is for the Ministers concerned to rectify I want to confine myself to some basic issues them, and these should not be used for which this report has opened. During the political purposes. Where a man in some last 18 years, we have invested nearly corner of the country was defeated, they Rs. 30,000 crores in the planned develop- openly say that they are going to ~i ment of this country. Naturally, during an issue. I was also defeated when I was the early sixties when the members of the a Minister in 1952 by my own leader, Shri Planning Commission gave the idea to the Sri Prakasam, because I was following Late Prime Minister Nehru- then I was also Sbri JawaharlaJ Nehru. Then should I go Member of the second Lok Sabha-that the about abusing him? national income had gone up by 4 ~ per 2241 Industrial and PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) LicelUi/., Policy Reports (M.) c:eat and the per copita income by lO·per In this connection, I would like to ask cent, as Nehru was a man of the masses and the hon. Minister to see that all the rele- Idways moved with them, the question vant data and files should be made available naturally arose in his mind \II to where this to the Thaclccr Committee. But it has rise in the national and per capita income come to our notice that when it asked for has gone. Since then he was trying to find files relating to business houses. the Ministry an answer to this question, In pursuaru:c officials have replied-they are in collusion of that, committee after committee has with these houses-asking for the numbers been set up. Then the Monopolies InquirY of the files which the Committee wanted and Commi".ion was constituted. Now we then they would find out. There are thou- have the Hazari Report. sands of these files: even with regard to one concern, there may be SO to 70 files in respect of one party. I hope no impediments Some hon. friends were asking will be placed in the working of this Commi- why is it that one after another of ttee. all co-operation will be given to it, all these committees are being appointed and facilities and data supplied to it so that it reports p!lhlishcd,! It is because the roots of would be In a position to find the final these """"'poly houses have become so deep answer to all these questions which we are in the

    SHR,[ CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI Here is the report of the Vivian Bole Commission its findinas are clear. If it What i, the basic problem which the Mono- applies to one monopoly house. it applies poli"" Commission and the Hazari RePort have revealed before the country ? It has to other monopoly houses also. ~ that there is concentration of 27 per ccnt of the total assets and 28 per cent I am Inrry that some of the hon. Mem- of the tOlal paid-up capital of the 75 busi- bers spoke in this Hou'le in a way ness groups in these two top groups, Tatas which miabt have created an impression and Blrla,. They have thrown some 'iabt amona the galaxy of Birla executives dlat on this. they have a strona lobby here. Do not M I I LSS!68-6 2243 Industrial and MARCH 7, 1968 Licensing Policy lUporls 2244 (M.) (SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI) Government. Just like the Central have this mistaken idea as if Birla is supreme: Intelligence Agency of America, with these Parliament is supreme and it can go into 2528 crores of black money, this parallel the affairs of any of the monopoly houses Government topples the Governments in in this country. So that was not the true ~ng or non-Con gress-when a voice of the Congress of the voice of the Government goes against the principles people of this country. which are beneficial to the monopoly houses so they are in fact ruling this country for tlte It has been argued that with their huge last twenty years. It is a conspiracy of the incomes the big business houses will have bureaucracy and the big monopolists to enough surpluses for re-investment. I cal- deprive the common people the fruit of culated how far they have invested and their twenty years of loil. This is the sort what investments have been made. A of capital formation that we have. survey was made by the National Council of Applied Economic Research and they Therefore, what happens? pointed out that virtually all saving in India The burden on the people is growing is eflilcted by just fifteen per .oent of the every year. During the past 20 years, when household whose income is Rs. 3,000 and that I analyse all the plan expenditure, I find that corporate savings have not played a sub- the burden has been growing because these stantial role in the Indian economy; in fact monopoly houses have been escaping from they account for just two or three per oent tax-tax-evasion-and all kinds of laws. of the national savings. We find tbat the common man has paid by It is said that these monopoly houses way of taxation Rs. 19,173 crores and the re-invest their profits for the prosperity of non-tax revenue has been to the tune of the country. The figures that I quoted Rs. 4,014 crores. The income-tax during the belie those observations. On the other last 20 years has been Rs. 3,209 crores. hand they act as a stranglehold on capita This is how the monopoly houses, with so formation. What is the capital formation? much investment, have helped the national The investment in private sector is nearly economy to grow. Ro. 9,000 crores and I he 19 per cent return of Sir, I see you are rather very impatient. this investment which is claimed by the With only one or two instances, I shall con- Forum of Free enterprises gives them clude. I wish to quote from a statement annually about Rs. 1,000 crores. There- made by Mr. L.N. Birla. He said it not fore, within the last ten years the return on in India but in America. In welcoming investment in the private sector has given the joint ventures of Indian and foreign them Rs. 10,000 crores. Where is the re- businessmen, he said: investment 1 "The foreign business investments in There is then the question of capital India went up to nearly 1,333 fonnation. I agree that they are being million dollars in 1966 from 333 invested: Where 1 You can find this answer; million dollars in 1948 : a 300 per the Finance Minister has answered to one cenl increase in less than two decades. of our questions. The income-tax arrears American investment during this of these big monopoly houses come to Rs. period had gone up by 2,000 per oent 528 crores. You see how capital is formed. from the comparatively small order Tax evasion at the rate of about Rs. 200 of 13 million dollars in 1948. The crores a year during the last decade comes to total number of collaboration Rs 2,000 crores : (An Hon Member .• Where amounted to 2,560 in 1957-58 and did you get it 1) You check your accounts. it has increased by now." Thus the total comes to Rs 2,528 crores. That is the capital formation of the big Now the question comes as to how the monopoly houses and this forms part of the foreisn exchange is used, and how the colla- extremely effective, unorganised money boration of Indian big monopoly and market that operates from one end of India foreisn collaborator has worked. There to, the other end. A parallel Government is no time to 10 into that question. With is being run; it becomes not a question of one more instance, I shall concludo Illy a big business house but one of plralle speech. They say that !hoy are helping to 224S Industrial and PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Licensillg Policy 2246 Reports (M.) develop the technical knowhow. This is ~ ~i W ~ I!iT iI11lfu; 3PR: how the big business nonopoly houses do t, it. May I tell you that from 1956-57 to ~i~~~~ 1965-66, by way of royalty, we have paid ~~ ~~ ~i Rs. 17 ·47 crores to the foreigners? Techni- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ftiif cal and service fees come to Rs. 78 ·4 crores m it ft;rli other professional fees come to Rs. 133·4 i~i~ii~ crores. Altogether, Rs. 229·5 crores have ~~ been paid in this respect. What is the tech- ... nical know-how they have developed? ~i 'l'TififTlf ~ affi ~ ljf? I have no time to go into the question of the banking institutions. I would only point ~ fu. ~ 'iOW ljf 1ft' I out that almost all the credit during the ~ ~ am ~ it mit 1ft' ~ 1Ii"t last 1 5 to 20 years has been taken from the ~~i~~~ private banking institutions as well as from the UC. The UC has invested from ;;r.r ~ 0 ~ if f«<;rr ~ 1Ii"t f't;f- 1957 to 1967, Rs. 1,414 crorcs in the pri- ~~~ ~~i vate sector and this is the UC which is directing the investment policy of this coun- ~ ClfT't lIT ~ ~~ ~ IIW Ill: ~ ;mr ~ ~ lit.. fUll" 0fl"U!l'IT ('ffifT) : ~ ~~ ... $t<, ~ ~ !fit ;;IT fu1lt ~ AA ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SHRI S. KANDAPPAN : Shall we iU it't fcr;m hang them? (Interruptions). i~ ~ I it't f1Iiir sfl'f ~ ;;ft' ;;r.r ~ ~ tt, ~ ~ ~ if 40r lIlT, IItf fw. ifTUQ"If : ~~ \;(if ~ f1ro;rr ;;ft' 1Ii"t ¢ ~ ~ ~~~i~~~ n~~ ~ itff, tIT ~i m ~i ~ ~ fit; ~ ~ ~ it ~ if mcmr IJW ~ am \R Ill: iflIl ~ ~ ~ fit; ~ it't f1ra" 1Ii"t m mcmr ~ t I ~ n~~ I ~~ ~ ornAT ~ (fit; ~~ IIiT i~i~~~ ~~~i~~ ~ t, ~ t I IIiTt ~ ~~i~~~ 2247 Indus/rial alltl MARCH 7, 1968 Licellsing Policy Repor/s 2248 (M.) ~~ I51'T fmii"I'(fQG, : ~~ ~i~~~~~ ~ 1l ~ ~ lIit ~ ~ t\19; ~ on ~ ~ ~ mom lIit iffif ~ ~ ferqp; ~ t. m ~ ~ A> ~ ;tT ~~ ~~~~ ~ ... ~ .. A ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ em ~ ~~i it, ~ ~~~~ n~ ~ ~ 'tiT ;;IT if'/1I'fu; ~ ~ m ~ ~ ~ WT lIit mTt ~ qmr ~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~ f ~ tn:: ~i .... ;() m ~ ~ ~ f,W1' if:T ;m11 ~ if f.i;1:rr ~ ~ <'f'RU ~ :;;iT ~ tn:: 1Ff f.i;1:rr "IT ~ ~ mTt 'fit ~~ ~~ ~ afh: ~ ~ ~ f1rr.m;: ~ 3Trni ~ ~ ~ ~ 1(':T m'W ~ ~ m ~ ~ ~ 1i"iR ~ ~ mTt .. ~ ... SURI S. KANDAPPAN : Sir. I do not knowhow all these are relevant to the ni~~ ~ : :;;iT presentl.lmow di,eussion. o;fro ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 31'lit ~~ ~ mc-3{tJ 1IiU, MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : IJIlorc the interruptions and address the Chair. i~~i~~ 2249 Indus/rial and PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Licellsing Policy 2250 Reports (M.) m t I ~ f\;RR ~ am am:o ~ that was his contribution. 1be concen- tration of wealth and srowth of monoPoly ~ ~ ~ aT'Ift ~ ar\T, I and sod-fathers of the Congress Party. ~ ~ it ~ fif1IT ~ fif; 10 iffl"Rf That is what he has exposed. m:r 3lroft ~i ~ 'I>Pl' 'R: ~ ~ I If the Goverrunent were to dare teD us ~i~~~i~~ that these were developments behind their ~

    MR. DEPUTy-SPEAKER: No inter- The latc Prime Minister Nehru chaIlenged rUPtions please. He is quoting from a book: and said that he will build capitalism without .. (Interruptions) allowil1g concentration of wealth in this country and towards this end, the Industrial SHRIMATI SHARDA MUKERJEE Policy Resolution. the Tariff Act, the Indus- (Ratnaairi): On a pDint of order. Sir. tries (Development and Regulation) Act, This is what foreign writer has said .. the Capital Issues (Control) Act, the Com- (IlIIerruptlons) panies Act and a host of other Acts were enacted to preveDt the formation of mono- MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, poly. But the state of all'airs today shows order. This is not fair. He is quoting that IDdian economy under this so-caIlcd from a book. What is the objection 7 nationalistic rule of the Congress is no excePtion to the world law of development SHRIMATI SHARDA MUKERJEE: of capitalism and all these Acts to prevent My pDiN of order is this. Some fORip mO"lopDly Were only meant as window author has written something. Mr. Umaoath dreasinllS to cover the process of develop- says that this a fact. Anybody can .., ment of monopoly. any(hina. (Interruptions) 2255 Industrial and MARCH 7, 1968 Licensing Policy RPports 2156 (M.) SHRl UMANATH: I know the Con "Bapu, to whom I could refu,e nothillg arcss Party is receiving money from big and who was accustomed to turn to business. (Interruptions) The Congress me for help in all his plans .. " Party is the agent of the big business. While coming to the i~ of financial (/lIIerruptions help, this reference off and on ~ I am MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Kindly giving Quotation from Mr. Louis Pischel', resume your seats. I am also giving quotation from Mr. G. D. Birla, who has been financing. Tbis is the SHRl UMANATH : know you arc thing ... .(lnterruplions) tating money from Birlas. What arc you tallting? Pure nonsense. n~i SHRlMATI SKARDA MUKERJEE: You are the agents of Birlas .. It cannot be tolerated. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order, SHRI UMANATH: You have got ano- order. You are losing your own time. ther person to say that. You contradict it. 1 would like to point out to Shrimati Sharda You cannot deny. This is as clear as broad Muker.iee .. (Itllerruptions) daylight . .(Interml'tiolls) You cannot deny. Mrs. Sharda MUkherjee raised a point. It is as clear as broad daylight that all along The book is in circulation for sO long a the Congress Party has been :aking. I time. I have read it and most of the members will give you the latest instance This has have read it. He is quoting from it giving been stated in the other ~ by your a reference. It was neVer contradicted. own Minister, Shri Fakhruddin .A,lI Ahmed. There is no point of order. When cement decontrol was donr. the ex- cess money out of dccontro I '''" entrusted The han. Member may continue. to a Cement Manufact lIrcrs ~~ Owners SHRIMATl SHARDA MUKER.1E Committee. The Minister him,df has re- rose- vealed that CACO paid Rs. 10 bl:hs out of these to the Congress coffers f<'r :k clect;,'n MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: She will fund . . (Interruptiolls) Why arc ~ getting have to rcsume her scat. angry? You cannot hide this. The fact is SHRIMATl SHARD A MUKERJEE: there that as long as .. (lnte,.rupti,,,,,) Don't Let me explain. worry. When your things get exposed, naturally you get upset. ·Un:erruptions) MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No eX- Non-sense. Don't talk non-se.".e. You planation now. are getting money from Birla. You arc get- SHRIMATI SHARDA MUKERJEE: ting money from big business, I ndian and You must give me an opportunity .. foreign. You are getting all sorts of money. The Congress Party is getting money from MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: There is foreign capitalists and Indian capitalifit •. DO right of reply .1 have disPosed of the You arc getting angry because of that .. point of ordcr. I will not Permit her. I will point out another thing. On the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order, basis of the same book, or some other order .. book by the same author Mahatma Gandhi's film is being prepared and released. There- SHRIMATl TARKESHWARJ SINHA fore, there is no point of order. The hon. (Barh): He attacks me Personally. How Member may continue. can he say this? I challenge him .. SHRI UMANATH: If the han. mem- SHRI UMANATH: There "re charges bers had been patient, I would have given agaInst you. There arc charses against the quotation from the other side also con- you. The country knows that charges firming tbe position. The other side is a are against you. What is the usc of your book written by Mr. G. D. Birla entitled challenging it? "In the Shadow of Mahatma", Edition 1952, where there are frequent references SHRIMATI TARKESHWARJ SINHA: like this. 1 am giving the quotation. am cha1lenging Mr. Umanath .. 2257 Industrial alld PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Licellsilrg Policy 2258 Reports (M.) SHIU UMANATH: Already money SHRI SONAVANE: On a J'Oint of has been taken by the Consress Party .. order. I would like to know how.an hon. . (Interruptions) Your own Minister has said Member can quote from t he proceeding., this. Money has been taken . . (Interruptions) of the other House. That is not allowed. I am on my leas. I am not yielding. I ·am on my legs . . (bllcrruptions) MR. DEPUTY-Sl'EAKER: Do we not quote Minister's statements here? It is SURI S. KANDAPPAN : This is a not a question of the other House. It is the deliberate attempt to prevent Shri Umanath Minister's statement which has been quoted. from speaking. This is not fair. Has he no rightto quote it ? If it is wrong. the han. Member can contradici it later. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: would SHRI SONAVANE: He cannot quole like to point out to Shrimati Tarkcshwari from the proceedings of the other House. Sinha that she will be getting an opportuniy 10 speak later. and she can contradict the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hoo. Mem- hon. Member. From what I could hear. bers arc losing their time now. I shall nol Shri Umanath has quoted something .. be able 10 accommodate all of them. So. let I hem nOI interrupt unnecc"arily. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Lady Mem- .bers generally interrupt Shri UmanaLh. Now, Shri Umanath ,hould try to con- clude. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order. SHRI ~ In c,1ndusion, order. This is not fair. I shall have to La)"e I would like to submit Ihal all this kind ~i npte of l his. of legislation to curb monopolies ctc. is Dot If Shri Umanath ha, made any incorrect going to work. As mosquitoes and scor- statement. then Shrimati Tarkcsbwari Sinha pions arc produced out of garbage, if you will later have an of"'l,ortunity to contradict go on just gassing Ihem, leaving the gar- it when she speak,. H he has made an, bage, Ihe mosquiloes will go on multiplyin" personal allegation. certainly it is objec- in a conlinuous process. Similarly, capi- tionable. But when he is quoting from a lalism is Ihe garbage .. statement made on the floor of the other SHRI PILOO MODY : Whal n(lnscll9C I House. she cannol take any objection 10 i I. Now, Shri Umanalh ,Illmld try to conclude. SHRI UMANATH: Leaving capitalism (Jnt/!rruptions) in this counlry intact. if you 110 on with legislation then the legislation will bcjUlI t5it , 0 3l' 0 lit ('I'>rn*r) : ~ 3fNIr.T like gassing. Unless this line of develop- ment of capitalism is given up, and unless ~~~~ t he monopolies are broken up it is not ~ ... ~ possible to chcck their growth. SHRIMATI TARKESHWARI SINHA : These can be checked only jf this Govern- After Shri Umanath finishes, kindly call ment which consists of I he servitors of bia Ime so that I could reply. businessmen is thrown (lUt. Unless tbat happens, nothing can he done to check SHRI UMANATH: Guilty con.,cience monopolies. is shouting. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now, Shri- SHRIMATITARKESHWARI SINHA: mati Sucheta Kripalani. I have not taken any money . •(Interruptions) SHRJ RANDHIR SINGH: What SHR} SONAVANE (Pandharpur): On about my name 1 I was No.3 in the lilt. a point or order .. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I call1lOt MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Hon. be dictated to io this manner. Members are taking away their own time by these things. I shall not be able to SHRI RANDHIR SINGH (Rohtak): accommodate all those wh.o want to SPeak. Yesterday. I was No.3 in the list. How iI must tell them this very plainly. is it that I have not been called ? 2259 lndlwrial and MARCH 7, 1968 Licensing Policy ~ (M.) MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : I have called SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: You go Shrimati Sucheta Kripalani. She should try according to the list prepared by Bida .. to conclude in ten minutes. (Interruptions).

    SHRIMATI SUCHETA KRIPALANI 81'0 "" : ~ ~ ~ (Gonda): I shall try my best, but I cannot .n '10 promise. fui ~ 'lit ~ ;ffif i~ i!11Ift 'lit ;r@' fi:r.\;rr? a:rr:r fui 'OR ~ SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: I was No. 3 in the list yesterday. How is it that you 'lit ~ t, ifTlf.T 'f>l ~ ~ t I are not calling me ? ~ 'liT{ ~ ~ ~ fit; a:rr:r fui ~ MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : The hon. lffi 'f>l ~ om ~ 'f>l ;ffif ;r@' Member may ask his Chief Whip and the ~~~~~~ Minister of Parliamentary Affairs. m ~ m 1m lI'1'f.t %fofif awl t ? DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: Mr ~~~~~~~~ Deputy SPeaker, Sir ...... ~~~~

    MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: I am not MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : Mr. Randhir blaming him. If four Members get up in Singh, if you arc casting any aspersion on tbis manner and start speaking simultane· the Chair, you will have to withdraw it. ouslY,howisit possible to accommodate ? I am not influenced by Birla or anyone for that matter. DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: As Shri Randhir Singh has stated, his name was SHRI ~ KUNTE third in the list yesterday. Today also, his (Kolaba): On a point of order. This is a name was there. If you ask me, thcn I very serious situation, An hon. Member would say that you should go by the list. of the Congress Party, and a very responsible member at that. has cast aspersions on the SHRI SONAVANE: My name was Chair. I should really think that he shOUld fiftb in the list. But you have called the withdraw it before We can prccc(d. Member whose n~ was seventh in the list. MR. DEPUTY-SprAKER: It is for MR. DEPliTY SPEAKER: He will Members to uphclJ the dignity of the Chair. get his time later. I have to see that all I entirely agree with the hon. Member. States are represented an all sections arc Shri Kunte. I have warned Shri Randhir represented. If I Were not to call senior Singh. Members, then it doeS not look proPer. SHRI RABI RAY (Puri): He must SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: I was apologise. tbe first to ha ,'C ~n called today. Why MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER If this ha vc I not been called ? method is followed, we cannot proceed I at all. It is not a question of A or B sitting SHRI SONAV ANE: Have we to catch in the Chair; it is a question of upholding your eYe 1 Or are you going by the list ? the dignity of the Chair. I suggest that you go by the list or call Members according to your discretion. SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: I have got the utmost respect rpr you. But I must MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: I am not express my sentiment. My name was third bound to go by the list. I have to see that on the list ,yesterday. I was the first today. eVery section of opinion and region is re· Still I have not been called (Interruptions). presented. There is also scme seniority to be taken into account. Shrimati Sucheta SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: (Calcutta Kripalani is a senior Member of this North East) : Can't you stop that nonsense?" House. what is that felloW doing tbere, the. Shrimati Such.ta Kripalani. Minister 1 2261 Industrial and PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Licensing Policy 2262 Reports (M.) Can he not regulate these things on their used certain expressions which were not at side? all unparliamentary but then I was hooted and heckled ... (An Han. Member: rightly) SHRI 'SEZPIYAN (Kumbakonam) : rightly or wrongly by the group and I These words that he has used that the withdrew them in all obedience to you and list is prepared by Birlas must be withdrawn to this House. 0, expunged. SHRI RANDHIR SINGH : I have SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK (South already withdrawn it. What is this ? Delhi): Here \\>e have the ruling Party. (Interruption" ) Here is a leader of that Party, the Minister SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: My point of of Parliamentary Affairs, sitting there. I order is whether the remarks of the HaryaDa expect that they should control their own acrobat or Dr. Ram Subhag Singh, Bhim Party. If they cannot control their party in club leader should remain on the record. the House, how can they control the He has said that my leader prof. Hire country? (Interruptions). This is not fair to Mukerjee should go to China. These the Congress Party, not fair to us, not words should be expunged. fair to the country. DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: There is MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Randhir no lack of control here in this Party. If the Singh had alrcady withdrawn his remarks; bon. Member, Shri Madhok, suggests that this need not be pursued further ....•. I should impose some control over this (Interrllptions). Party, he had better start with his own Party. (Interruptions). SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Dr. Ram Subhag Singh has accused my deputy SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: Is this leader Mr. Mukerjee who has never been kind of nonsense to pass muster in this accused of bud manners; Dr. Ram Subhal House? I want your ruling. Here the Singh, in his wisdom which is always mis- Ministcr of Parliamentary Affairs cannot sing, said that he should go to China to do something about it. He has not got learn better manners. Such remarks do Dot Ibe decency to apologise on behalf of his add to the dignity of the House and the Party to the House. So many times the Congressmen arc today very angry because Leader of the Jan Sangh has apologised on some members are attacking their leader behalf of members of his Party to the in this House .... (Interruptions.) Chair. But here they have not got the gwnption to do so, these egregious fools MR. DEPUTY -SPEAKER : request who know nothing about Parliament. all sections of the House to co-operate (Interruptions ). with the Chair in conducting the proceediDlS with dignity and decorum. No harsh ex- DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: Shri pressions need be used. Mukerjce wants to teach sense to the House. He should go to China and learn sense. SHRT TULSHIDAS JADHAV rose- (/"terrllptions). 15 Drs. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: have MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Order, .already indicated ... . (/nterruptions). order. Mr. Jadhav, it is all over. Do Dot DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: Mr. rake it up. If time permits, I am going to Mukcrjce had been reprimanded by the accommodate everyone, not otherwise. whole House for his non-sensical beha\iour. SHRI A. SREEDHARAN (8adagara): Sir, on a point of order. SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: You shoUld be sent out. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : What is the point of order? There is nothing before SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: On a point tbe House on which you can raise a point -of order ...... (lnterrupti01IS). Yesterday I of order. 2263 Illdus/rial alld MARCH 7, 1968 Licensing Pollc), 1«porlS (M.) SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: The point Tbis is what the rule says. Nobody catcbes of order is 'this. Under rule 4 of the Rules your eye. You simply go on:caIling theID. of Procedure and Conduct of Business in This is not the procedure to bo followed. Lok Sabha- This is after all your own direction. (In/emlll. lioll) One of these methods is to be fol· MR. DEPUTY·SprAKER What is lowed: by a Member catching tbe eye of the the number? Speaker or by rising in his seat. Only then you can call the Member. Or, you caD go SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: No. 4-- by your list. But what you follow i$ not F.O.U.R. It says : according to the rule.,. "The members shall sit in such order MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER: This is a -as the Speaker may determine." serious matter. You have not read the last portion. For the benefit of the House, Some Members on the Congress side arc I shall read the last portion. It j, clearly not silting in their 0" 11 ~ I submit, stated there. therefore, that they may be asked to go back to their scab. "The Speaker shall ncot be bound by the lists or order in which names have MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: I would been given by parties or groups, 'r mdi· request all t he Members t" occupy their viduals directly .... " seats. Shall I read the whole thing> ~ mom) ~ i;fTfllf ( f growth and our resources are very phasing of I iccn"c, with reference to capa- limi:cd. To achiele all these things within dty and targets:' Secondly. he was to a ~ time. it is necessary that we suggest any modifications in the policy or hav·: " detinile and clear industrial policy. execution. It i. 'II", necessary to regulate. control an\\Olks that Committee been treated by the GoWrn- the comments of Ihe hon. lady Member ment'? They have no dllee to work; on it caus\.'d in this honouwbk House. their budget was sanctioned on the 22nd One.: thing which hCCl1fl1CS clear inlmcdiatcly December; their staff is not yet in position once you go through the Rcp"1t IS that Dr. and they arc ~ to give the Report of a Haz;lri allo\\cu the political and iJel>logical comprehensi'e nature within six months consideration, to take the bcltLT of him which are nearly over. What about their as an academician. letters? For twO months. the Chairman of the Commission has not got a reply to If he had not gone beyond the terms of his letter addressed to thc Minister. The reference, it would have been alright. The Minister may have good intentions. But the terms of referenCe Were very clearly given Department may be out of his control. He by him in his own Report. They were : may be riding a horse which is SO powerful "(i) To Icview the OPeration of that though he has the reins in his hands, licensing under the Industries Act he does not know where the horse is going. broadly over the last twO Pian I would like to tell the Minister that this periods and more closely over the kind of laconic way of dealing with this last six-seven years, including the will not do. One has to be more serious orderly phasing of licensinl with with it. Now, we have invited the whole reference to targets of capacity. world, spending crores of rupees for the UNCTAD here. Instead of that, We would (ii) To consider and susgest in tbe have done better if we had seen to the proper light of the present staac of eco- implementation of the Industrial POlicy nomic development where and in Resolution, proper regulation of the con- what direction modifications may trols and better fulfilment of the objectives. be made in the lieellsing policy." What I want to S.lY is that there is no This was the task entrusted to him and point in blaming this mun or that man, this was, in itself, quite a big task, and if he in indulging in Witch-hunting, by the Private had applied his mind to it-he did apply sector against the public sector Or by the his mind to some extent and some of the public sector against the private sector, ~ggin t hat he has made are reaUy lbat will not do, It is time we thought thought-provoking and they should be 2273 Industrial .al/d PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Licel/sil/g Pullcy 2274 Reports (M.) 100ked into-it ,would have been useful, In this matter too, the thing which is But be has brought in so many extraneous really important is whether tbese private things in his Report which has made it a entrePreneurs and private industrialists and subject of controversy not only in the the public sector industries can work together country but in the Congress Party itself or not. Actually we have so much leeway because the .Congress Party, as everybody to make. tbat there is enough scope for both knows, is as much divided into camps as the public sector and the private seCtor and the Opposition is, and their division has they should co-operate to develop the coun- ·becomc very clear from how people have try. But instead of collaborating and co- reacted to this RePort. operating. they arc trying to pull each other's legs. Smce the public sector has 25,17Hn. the advantage of being the State sector, [SHRt C. K. BHAtTACHARYA in the Chair.] being the Pet-wife. the private sector is being victimised in every possible way and Now the wider question is how is the ing~ are being done or said which, I do industrial policy of this country to &fOW and not think, are fair to anybody. There are how we are going to increase production. defects and those defects should be removed. Before the British left, there was very little But one thing. we must remember. and industry in this country and that was in that is that these two have to go together. private hands; mainly in the hands of two Ours is a democracy and democracy or three ·business houses which had taken based on free thinking. Where there is no the initiative in those matters. When the free thinking, there can be no free expres- British left, we naturally wanted that We sion, there can be no free association. should develop our (conomy, develop our Therefore, we must have free thinking. industry, at a very fast pace. For that There can be no free thinking without free purpose, the Government of India passed living. If I am dependent for my living ,ome Resolutions, passed the Industries on ~ else, then I cannot have free Development Act also, in which it was thinking; if anyone is living in such a way <:learly laid down that We were going to that he is in the hands of the State or some- 'have a mixed economy, i.e., that the private body else, then he cannot think freely. enterprise will be allowed to proceed but Therefore, a free economy is a necessary ~ also will come in. In a developing concomitant of democracy. economy, that is quite natural and neces- sary too. There are certain fields in which Some people talk very glibly about de- private capital and private enterprise is not mocratic socialism. I wonder what they mean available and so, the state should come in. by Ihis term. If they mean social justicc That was in the beginning. But in course by this term, just as there is in Western of time, as the late Prime Minister, Pandit EurOPe, I have no quarrel with it, and Jawaharlal Nehru, began to get infatuated I stand for it. But if they think, as my hon. with the so-called socialism, then the balance friends from the Communist Party think, that had been properly struck began to be that socialism is what prevails in China given up and more and more stress began to or in Russia, then I would say that demo- be laid on the public sector, and for that cracy and socialism are incompatible; purpose, attempts were made to drive out they cannot go together. I can understand 1he private enterprise from the field for that their anxiety that private sector and private purpose, a number of administrative enterprise should be completely ruled out methods were adoPted and one of them and everytllinl should come under State was this licensing. As things have moved, control because they want that everYthinll the public sector is growing very fast, and should be under State control and the State of the total public investment available should be run by a party and that will be in this country, about 60 per cent is going the only party and no other party will be aI- . 10 the public sector, and out of the 40 towed to exist. Actually, when everybody i. per cent that is lefl, about 2010 2S per cent under State control, there will be no scope ,goes 10 aariculture and small industries and for any other party. That is why there is only IS to 20 per cenl is left for tbe medium no OPPosilion party in Russia or in ChiDa: scale industry wbich is run by the so-called or olher communist countries. There can be business houses and otber industrialists. only one party in such countries. I can MllLSS/68-7 2275 Indllstrilll and MARCH 7, 1968 Licensing Policy 2276. Reports (M.) [Shri Bal Raj Madhok) But for that the Government are more 10 understand their thinking that way. But I blame. It is the system that we hav" es· ask those who do believe in democracy how tablished and it is the bureaucracy th,)t we t hey reconcile democracy on the one side have established and it is the system cf Ii. with socialism on the other. The two are censing that we have established that have irreconcilable. I agree that in a developing helped such People with big purses (r as economy, you cannot rule out the State could afford to corru!'t the dlicials. There- coming inlaisse=·!aire is an outmoded thing; fore. if the blame has to be put anywhere •. it cannot come back. But the State must it has to b" put on Government. It Was come in only when itmustand where private t he Government which gave the licences enterprise is not available and when it comeS and which had the control over the system., it must come as a comPetitor and not as a Why had they not simplified the process ?' monopolist. Monopoly is bad. Tatas' Why did they not see that the process had monopoly is bad. Birlas' monopoly is bad. helped some and put a premium on cerrup- But State monopoly is worse. Wherever tion and put some People to a disadvantage '?" there is concentration of economic power Thererore. if anybody is to be charged. then it is bad. But when there is concentration it istheG ,vernment which has to be charged. of economic and political power in the same An attack has been made on cenain hands, then itbecomes the greatest monster. business-houses. I do not hold brief fol' We know what is happening in China and anybody. But one thing is clear that it is Russia. Therefore. we must pre"cnt poli- these business-houses which have put J ndia tical and economic power getting concen- on the industrial map of the world. Think trated in the hands of the State. I am of this country what it was when the British opposed to political and economic power left. It was the Tatas and it was the Birlas getting concentrated in the hands of some and it was some other industrialists who individuals. But if the nations \igilant. had done yeoman service. Even now they if we are really a dcmocracy then we can are doing it, with technological advance" check it. But if the State gets all the power. there is a need for bigger industries. and who is going to check the State because the there is a need for bigger concerns which State will finish everybody? can spend money on research and technical So, the basic question is whether we arc know-how and which can compete with the going to remain a democracy or whether latest technical developments in other pans we are going to deteriorate into a dictator- of the world. We arc not living in isola- tion. Therefore. we cannot completely ship of one party which controls all the do away with large concerns. When we means of production and distribution. admit the need of large concerns, then We are not going to allow the latter. 1 certainly some business-houses or some think the Congress Party also under- business concerns have to be large. But stands this thing barring a few fellow- they are not large compared to the business- travellers who arc there in that party. houses that are there in other parts of the If We have to reserve a big section or a world. The other day I had read in the big part of industry for the public sector. papers that the two big electrical concerns, then it means that a small part remains namely the GEC and AEI had combined with private industry or private enterprise. together even though each one of them This has been given effect to through the was a very big concern by itself, becausc> system of licensing. Naturally. some es- they felt that if they could come together. tablished houses. some who had technical their cost of production would become less, know-how and managerial skIll with them and their sales organisation would ~ and who hands money with them had a better and they could spend more on im- superiority over the others. I do agree with provement. my hon. friends that they might have abused their position also. In this country. as When you condemn these big houses. things arc, a man with a long purse and a I would ask you to remember one thing. man with a long pull has an advantage over You say they are corrupt. I agree they may others. and naturally. the big business- be corrupL You say agencies have been houses which have a long purse and a long given to relatives. May be correct. You pull have some advantages over others. say that they are making use of their money 2277 Industrial alld PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) LicCIISilig Policy 2278 Reports (M.) to get Iicence5. May be true. But after produce more, we have to do it in such a spending all this money, are they not show- way that more bands are needed and more ing some profits ? They are not becoming hands are put to produce it. This em- a burden on the public exchequer. On the ployment aspect is very very important. other hand, what is happening to our public sector concerns? We have invested Heooe we must reserve a section for them. so much money in these undertakinss. But For example, we did something in this their cost of production is not cheaper, direction by saying that tiJloties should be rather it is more costly. Every year we, produced only in the handloom acc:tor. the tax·payers, have to pay for their losses. But even there, the mills have como in. The Finance Minister in his budget speech Such production should be reserved for told us the other day that the public sector small sector, for which licensing is not need- plants have incurred a loss of Rs. 41 crores ed and foreign exchange also is not much in one year. needed. These industries should IIOW. in small towns and rural areas so that the Compare these two things. May be the employment potential may also IIOW there. private sector people are bad. Even though they are bad, they are developing the The second suggestion he has made- country. At the same time, they are not asain a good one-is that the big induatrial putting any unnecessary burden on the tax- houses should not be given licences for the payer while in the public sector, due to traditional type of industries ; they shoukl their corruption, inefficiency and high cost use their technical know-how and reaoUKCS of production, the whole burden has to be for developing new lines. There is a lot of borne by the people, the tax-payers. scope for them. Why should Taw and Birlas be aUowed to open soap or textile Therefore, in this matter, we have to take factories? Let the smaller people do it. a balanced view. What is that view? I Let the big houses usc their know-how and think in this respect, Dr. Hazari has some resources for tapping new lines for which good suggestions. He has suggested that we still depend on imports from abroad. we must reserve some sector for small in- dustries. He has suggested that small entrepreneurs who want to start a small Thirdly, Dr. Hazari has suggested that in industry in some town or provincial capital the matter of imports, we should be liberal, should not be forced to come to tbe Centre that those things which are most costly to and run from pillar to post for getting foreign produce here should be imported. For exchange. The foreign exchange needed by example, if we could get an item for one them should be given to them on the spot dollar from abroad whereas to produce it by the Director of Industries. This is a good here costs 2 dollars or more it is better we import that item, because we need not suggestion. make the common man suffer for our ineffi- Our experience, however, is that wherever ciency or failure to run industry in the you put authority in onc man, there is proper way at the right time. Therefore, for chance of corruption. So instead of giving items in which indigenous cost of production that power solely to the Director of In- is much more, we should be liberal in the dustries, there should be a committee which matter of imports. should include some industrialists, some economists and some officials. They should Fourthly, he has said that the Iitnit for disburse the foreign exchange, according to getting licence should be raised. Licences the needs of each individual case. may not be needed for industries requir- ing capital of a crore or less. Aaain, In this matter, we have to reserve a definite for industries which need no foroip ex- field of production for small industry. If change, there need be no licence. We may in the same field there is a small man and lay down priorities and capaatiea and a big industrialist, the latter will drive the within these priorities, if anybody wanta to former out of the field. It is not a question set up an industry, he should be allowed. of production alone. What we need is Instead of discouraginll them, we should more employment also. This aspect cannot encourage them. If foreign exehanse which be overlooked. Therefore, while we have to is scarce, is involved, if consideratioDS of 2279 Industrial alld MARCH 7, 1968 Licensing Policy 2280 Reports (M.) [Shri Bal Raj Madhok] derations should be kept in the background. national security are involved, these matters We ~ not find scapegoats nor go can be properly regulated. w,tch-huntmg. These industrial houses A suggestion has been made that banks have done a great service to the country. should be nationalised. Apart from the If there is any corruption or weakness, re- merits and demerits of that suggestion, you move them. They are mainly in the system say that you stand for mixed economy ; in your bureaucracy. Simplify the licensing so, some industries will be in the public system and improve the administration and sector and some in the private sector. How remove the defects. Finding scapegoats on earth can you take away the means of will serve nobody. I think this country investment from the hands of private sector ? and this House OWe it to Birlas and Tatas This cannot happen. Those who say that for putting this country on the industrial they want nationalisation of banks are those map of the world. Today, while we arc who want a totalitarian regime and com- begging everywhere, We can also be proud plete state control of all economic activity. that there are some cOllntries which come Most Congressmen do not want it because to us, to Birlas and Talas inviling Ihem to that cuts at the root of democracy. By come and open industries in their ni~ making this suggestion Dr. Hazari bas not That raises our prestige. Do not tar every- only transgressed his terms of reference ; body with one brush. If there are mistakes he bas shown his ideological predilections and shortcomings and failures, remOVe which make him suspect. He should not th:m with a strong hand but do not indulge have done so. Had he confined himself in Witch-hunting. That is my request. to the terms of reference, there would not be any grouse against him. i~n~ ~~ Then, what is our experience of nationali- ~ 11' ~ ~i i!iT ~ if; ~ sawn of other industries? Take insurance, ~ii~~ ~ for Instance. There is more corruption, more inefficiency-all at the cost of the ~ I ~ fufti" ~ ~ if; anfV1Irof ~ ~ ~ ~i~~~~~ iii~i~ I i~ ;;f\lft ~ ~i ~ ttit· ,,'flfT ~ ~ ;;() ~~~~i~i~ fit; aroff l>"'flfT ~ ~ am: iforo 'R ~ ~ ~ 1 !fiT WIIT ~ ~ ~ ~ aI'tt ~ ~~ii ~ ~ I ~ ~ ~ ~ anR ~ ~ ~ if; f<-w, i~~ ~ ~~~ ;pit ~ ~ f'W ~ fit; ~ CIIrto ~ 1 000 ~ ~ fif; 3f1R ~ 1000 ~ ~ ~ efT ~~~~~ii ~~~ 10-1Sl1T ~~ anmr 3fTfc:: tr ~ ~ 'W q;'t I ~~ ~ ~ WIIT ~ 3m: ~ ~i~~~~~ ~ ~ ~i ~~~~i 90 ~~ ~ ~ ij- tT !fiTlf ~ ~ arr-fT cifif ~ mr ftro aI'tt ar:r;ft ti'R ~~~~~~ r. ~ ~ ~ f>r. ~ ;f.t lJ')f;:m 'Ii't ~ f.f; m ~ if; om: II ffi ;;IT ~~ I ~~~~~~in orR '7T ~ ~ r.tifl1 f'F ~ qA- m om: ii 'fI.IT ~ ~ -:m ;tf;;r<;r ;tT ii':'fj 't9r >r.r ~ ~ '1<[1 i1 ~ '1Tif qA- 'fI.IT ~ ~ ~ ~ ffi ~ ~ 'tTfCr. i~ ~i ~ ~~ n:r. if'!m 1m ~ i~~~ii~~ ~ ~~~~i~~ 'flffi' I ~ ~ 'liT ifro ~ iffl if; ~ ~i~~~~ 5 0 ~ l'lir.r ~i 'liT ~ am: m am 't9r 1:% ~ ~ afI;:: fl1f.iQII"il ;;rr ~ ~ \f<: ~ if; ;;ft ~ 't9r;f.r I ~ am !fiT ~ ~ ~ f.f; arttf.r rm: ~~~~ ~ !fiT ~ I ,., ? orm RlIT .r.r 'fI.IT ~ ~ ~ . SHRJ J. B. KRJPALANI (Guna) : Mr. ii~ ~ Chairman, before you call the next Member ~ :;tWo m onr ffi ~ ~ arRT tn speak, I ~ to correct what was stated by a Communist Member. r.i1T if; ii am: that Gandhiji told him that he received 50 ~ ~ ;;rT l:IW on: ~ ~ m money from the capitalists. J myself staled ~ ii ~

    SHRI S. KUNDU: Your facts are all right. BUI that is only for the Period when MR. CHAIRMAN; That much o( you were the Secretary. discretion the Chair has with it. Since the time is allotted there will be no harm in SHRI J. B. KRIPALANI: I was Sec- that. Shri Nahata. retary of the Congress Party for 11 years before independence. The Congress has become worse: that may be a common ~ 3f'! .... ~ ~ : ~ point between you and me, but I am saying that in purely political work the AleC did ~~~i~~~~~ nOI receive any money from any capitalist. 'fOf,T lj1:fT f'l> ~ ~ mrr ~ ~-'IlfCf ~ ~ if ;:;fT f'l> talking of my national position. I am talk- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ mr SHRI I. B. KRIPALANI; What do you mean by "Your Congress ?oO I am f;reif mfiI" ~ ~ 1m ~ ~ ~ talking of the Congress before independence; ~~i~~~~~ I am not talking of the Congress after i~~ I ~i~ indePendence. ~ !!iT l!J"IIFf ~ ~ 3ffl: ~ ~ ~ MR. CHAIRMAN: Acharayaji has ~~ii~~~~~ finished his statement. That is cnough. Shri Arnrit Nahata. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ;;[t 2289 Industrial and PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Licellsillg Policy 2290' Reports (M.l ~~~i ~~ ~ ~ ~ lIT ~ lIT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ JJl'f ~ f,t "l't ~ ~~~n ~~ rnif;m" . ~ ~ flt;m, ~ ~ flt;m ~~~~~ SHRI J. B. KRIPALANI : Who granted those licences and why did they do it ? ~in ~~i~~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~ # 'R >;f( ~ : 'fliT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ f;mT ~~~ ~~ 11R if; ft;rir ?ft 3!h: 4.j:1 "'I i~ ift 'I'fTllT if; ~ ~ 3 0 ~ 1i'1IIT ~ If.'{ if;m..rr I ~~~~ ~ lim ~ afl<: ~ 'IlT1f 1pIT I ~~ ~ if; m 'Ilflf ~ ~ 375 I ~ li([ ~ f.r;m:rr <;fT ~ ~~~~~ii~ fir. f.m;rr iPl:1311 ~ f;;pf.; 1l'tit t 't !:fA fibre and yarn, heavy engineering, ali,)y steel. pig iron. tools, timber products. n~~~~ news-print and pipes and tube;. but mr ~ I ~ fu1i i:r ~ ;ffiT;;rr ~ traditional in~i like cotton, sugar. ~~~~~~~i vanaspati anu PJ.PI.TS arc by no means ignored." ~ ~ ~ ~ <'I'e-'t ~ flrnT ~ rr ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ qil: ~ ~ 'tiT ~~ "f>'t 'U'f.T ~ ~ rr ~i 3l1'fi ~ 'f>'t cfT ~ I 3f1r>: q;Ti 'fo'r{ ~ WIT 'U'f.T ~ ~ afR rr ~ ~~ am: ~ ;:iT ~ 11Te<: ~ fT ~ ~ ~ ~ I 1 5 ~ , ~ fir<;r ~ 1 ~~ ~ if; ~ if i~~~ ~~ '«IT 'fift ~ ~ 'fiTt;f ~ ~ fir<;r ~ ;;.rf.t ~ flr.r "ITI!T '3i'II IQf<1/il if; ~ if I ~ ~ W 'lirtrr n: .. ~ ~ ~ ~ (f'!'> ~ ~~~~~ ~ 1 otfu<:r i"flr. ~~ni~~ii 'fiTt;f ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ iii~ ... i~ ~ rn ~ii m "'T, ~ ~ '1ft : ;f f1f1'fl"<'f itcrr ~ 1 r;ifi' it 1 ~ 't'1<: flmr ~ ~ if ~~i~~i ~ 1 ;;if.t ~ '1ft ~ ~ 'fi<: ~i snrrffif ii ;;IT moft 1m ~ ~ ~i ~ '1ft ~ lift 1 ~ ifi"I"T'ift itT '1ft ;ffi ~ moft Jf1!rT ~ ~ ;;IT : ~ sn:m ~ 1 ~~i~i~~ , ~~~~~~ ~ ~ '1ft ifi"I"T'ift 'liT flr.r ~ I ~ ~ anffi:r 'P.: ~~~ 't% i~ ifT ~ ~ crw '1<: ~~~~~ -;;if.t fiAT ~ if; ~ iifTt i!"ffI;f ~~ i~~~~i ~ 'fi<: 1ft 1 ~ iIR ~ ~ A; it on% t 1 ~ 11ft ;;r;:r(fT if, ~ ~ Tf'trifiT"( ~ ~

    [MR. DEPUTy-SPEAKER in the Chair.] I do not have any illusions that this Government will appoint such a com- I would now refer to one such impor- mission or will implement the Hazari or 1ant action required. H! had recommended any other report of any such commission in his interim report that all unimplemented because all these recommendations go against ·licences issued before December 31, 1964 them. should be revoked. Fifteen months had passed, and I would ask the Much has been said about Birlas. ] do Minister what action has been taken not discriminate between Birlas and other on this recommendation. Similarly. he has business houses. r take all of them toaether. c"commended that steps should also be ] do not think Dr. Hazari has excluded taken to revoke the unimpkmented CGC any of the big business houses from his approvals and licences if the applicants report. ·had failed to make an adequate rate of progress. Should there be any new com- SHRI S. KANDAPPAN: He has given mittee to go into this question. These things an example. should have been inquired into. and these recommendations should have been imple- SHRI P. VISWAMBHARAN: Not mented by the Ministry itself without exactly example. From the information referring the matter to any other com- available, he found that Birlas were com- mittee. paratively more guilty than some other So my point is that appointment of a new houses. It is up to the Government to .committee or commission is only delaying prove whether the other business houses .tactics, nothing more. What wiD happen are also guilty. But I do not thinlc this to the Thacker Committee report is also Government will probe further into this 2299 Indllstrilll lind MARCH 7, 1968 Licensing Policy 2300 Reports (M.) [Shri P. ViswambharanJ If they did so, I charge that it is these same matter because the Congress Party's main Birlas who stand in the way of the deve- source of income is big business house dona- lopment of the car industry and who stand tions. There is no use hiding that fact. in the way reducing the price of cars in this country. As we all know, Mr. Some heat was generated a little while Nijalingappa has been trying for the last "go when Shri Umanath made some state- several years to get a small car factory ment. I should like to bring to the notice established in Mysore and this is what of the House some more recent figures. appears in a newspaper: 1 do not go to the Gandhian days. During 1961-64, the total declared donations to "Mr Nijalingappa said that he was. political parties by business concerns was trying his level best to get a licence from. Rs. Il S Iakhs, out of which Rs. 98. J3 lakhs the Centre for this small car project. went to the Congress Party and Rs. 15'69 Once clearance was received it would lakhs to the Swatantra Party. According to not take long to manufacture it. Asked the Minister in charge himself as disclosed if his project was being bogged down by in the account year 1966, the Congress got some capitalist at the Centre, he hesi- Rs. 15.89 lakhs from companies. The Swa- tated and then remarked: 'possible; tantra Party got Rs. 4 ·43 lakhs. These are it is for you to judge'." the figures given out by the Minister of This is the statement of the President of the Industrial Development. These figures are I ndian National Congress and still I am sorry collected from the accounts of the com- to point out that friends on that side are panies. There are other large donations coming forward with praises for the glo- which are not declared. I know that Rs. rious services rendered by Birlas. The indus- 10 lakhs which was mentioned by Mr. trial philosophy and the outlook of this Umanath is outside these figures because Government has to be changed. that was not given by a particular compuny but by a combination of manufacturers. Now, the industrial philosophy of this These figures show why this Government Government seems to be, strengthen mono- hesitates to take any action against defaulting polies. produce less. maintain high costs businessmen and why the Swatantra Party and retain the benefits of modern science also comes to their rescue. I do not waste my and technology for the privileged few. This time urging on this Government to usher in philosophy has go to be changed to in- the era of socialism and all that; we huve crease production. reduce costs, and bring no illusions about this Government. But I down the prices to the reach of the com- should point out that it is this Govern- mon man. This should be the objective ment that has appointed this Commission of any government. and it has submitted its report and it is I now come to another point which has their duty at least 10 take some decision not been touched by anybody here. that is. on that report. Even after fifteen months the regional imbalance in industrial deve- of the submission of Ihis report, when the lopment. Dr. Hazari was asked to go into House has been given an opportunity to that question also and he has made some discuss that report. it is an utter disrespect revealing observations. He says : shown to this HOllse to say that a "the bulk of approwd investments decision is still to be taken. Much has during 1959-1966 were in Maharashtra. been said about the ercdit-worthness and West Bengal, Madras. UP, Bihar, MP, technical know-how of the Birlas. My Andhra Pradesh and Gujarat in that friend who had spoken just before me order, with Maharashtra a way up on the has Quoted from Hazari's report about their top. Curiously enough, the share of credit-worthiness and all that. But I should Maharashtra, West Bengal and Gujarat like to bring to the attention of the House in the number of approvals was much a statement made by no less a person than larger than the amount of investment." Shri Nijalingappa, the President of the lndian National Congress and Chief Minis- Then he says : ter of Mysore, My learned friend here who "About 46 per cent of the approved spoke on behalf of the Swatantra Party investment in 1959-1966 was In the said that it was the Birlas who started three top States, Maharashtra, West the automobile industry in this country. Bengal and Madras." 2301 Indu,W,i(// alld PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Lice"sillg Policy 2302, Reports (M.) Again, he proceeds to state that "the And still you approach us 10 promote na- approved investment for new undenakings tional integrity and all that. Of course we in West Bengal during 1959-1966 was Rs. are doing that. But that is the position. 100 crores only against Rs. 171 crores in My point is that the monopoly should end. Maharashtra" and so on. The monopoly enjoyed by invdividuals and, business-houses should end and, at the same. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER You time, this regional monopoly should also, should conclude now. end.

    SHRI P. VISWAMBHARAN: I shall MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shrimati conclude in a couple of minutes. My Tarkeshwari Sinha. Just 10 minutes. L point is that some State. do not find a place would like to appeal again that if you in the industrial map of India. Somebody confine your remarks to 10 minutes each, was boasting that this country finds a place I can accommooate some more Membeni. in the industrial map of the world. But in this country certain States and cenain areas SHRI K. N. T1WARY '(Helliah): But, do not find a place in the industrial map. you are giving 10 minutes to some, 15 Take the case of Assam, for example. minutes to some others and so on. I have got all the tables with me. Now- where does Assam find a place in the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: That is industrial map of India, party-time. I have explained it several, times. There is no use compiainiDg. SHRI HIMATSINGKA (Godda) : There arc a number of industries in Assam. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~~~~~ SHRI P. VISWAMBHARAN: Permit me to quote some figures according to Prof. ~ ~~~~~~ I, Hazari. ~~~~~ 'R ~~~~~~ SHRI H1MATSINGKA: Prof. Hazari may not have seen it. 'f.T ;;IT nro ~ ~ ~ ~ m1f.t .mr 'f.T 'ff; eft "VI' ~ ~ I ~ probably Prof. Hazari has not visited Assam. ~~~~~ 20 SHRI P. VlSWAMBHARAN: It is not ~~ ~~ we who appointed Prof. Hazari. It is this @3lT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ aitmfirif; ~ Government who have appointed him and it is this Government who have supplied q3lT ~ I ~ <'I'fi' HI' i~ ~ ~ information to him. Not we. If we take Rli1l1T t ~ ilfl'1G1'iJ ~ ~~ Assam is 0 '82, and the investment percent- 3{t!;ft ~i ::;r i~ l1Ilf<'fi # ~ ~ ;;IT I leave it to the Assam people. But I have i~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ii the authority to say about Kerala ; I come it. mr from the State of Kerala which has been ~ tllIT ~ ~ 'iiT1iU m pr ~ I completely neglected during the last 16 to 17 aR 3f'[q' ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ years of planned development. Out of the ft;r!r, total industrial investment of Rs. 2,500 ;;rnft ~ f.!i ~ ~ fiRmr ~ Corporate crores in the public sector, the total invest- Sector f,;rn# ~i~ rn:t ment in Kerala State is a meagre sum of ;nWf ~ ;;IT ~ ~ Rs. 25 crores, which is just one per cent. am: cr.t w.rr . 2303 . Indll.rt,ial alld MARCH 7, 1968 . t Licellsing PoIi,'y 2304 ReDo,t! (M.) [>.fI1Mt ~i ~ ~i~~~~~~ ~ f;r;r;m ~ ~ ~ iI'i ~ f;r. ~ or(\' ~ ~ lIlT I ttl ~ ~~~~~ f;w, ~ ,fu;<:r ~ ~ ~ fll> ~i ~ q-qf,t I:fl: f;r;r;m PI' ~ am: ~ ~ ~~ 1 ~i~~~ i~~~~~ I ~ %1 ~~~n iI'i ~ m:r if; ifI't .q' ~ ~ fiI; ~ ~ ~ ~ ;r.r amm: qrr, ~ am: ~~~~~~ am: $ ;r.r I ~ qn;rif rn t, qrr ~ ~ni i~ ~~ n~~n ~ ~ ~ <'P1'J1fT ~ I ~ ~ ~ ~ i~i~~ g~ I ~~ ~ ~ ~ it arq;ft fu1t .q' ~ -1fi ~ it i~ ~ ~ 'WIT 'f.T ~ ~ ~ fi;rlrr ~ I ~ fort; ~~ ~i ~ ~~ aiV;;fi ~ ~ ~ f;r. f,1J mom ~~ ..q'.q¢ ~ Wfir. ~ fu1t ~ ~ I ~~~~~ 'io/IT ~ fit; ~~ ~ 11'ti ~ fit; ~~,.. . t (a) "The recent general slack in invest- ~ R;ft if.T lI'''nAT it ilR, ~ ~ if; ment or pessimism in expectations ~~~~i~i ? has not affected Birlas." ~~~~~iii (b) When the other groups of industria- ? lists were shy in active during the ~ ~ ~ 'f'I'TlIT ~ tm f;r. period, the Birla group ventured into ~i~~~~ new lines of manufacture. J"c) "Among business groups, Birla ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~n appears to have reduced its import ~ ;omiT ~ fiI; ;;rnt ~ ~ ~ ~ component substantially". While ~~~ii~~~ii the average proportion of import component out of total investment ~~ n~~i~~~ of all private sector industries, in- ~~~~i~i cluding Birla comPanies, for the ~ ~ ~ ~ period 1964 June to 1966 was 63 %, 1ft 1 am-1IW ar;n: the average of Birla companies ftm ~ ~ a'r ~ 0fT'm ~ t fit; ~ only was 56 %. orrn' ifiif' gt ? ~ a;r. ~ *'" artf ~~ ~ ~ ~i ~ ~i ~ am ~ ~ i~~~~i~~ ~~~~ I ~~ ni~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ g~~ i~~~~~ 'EI'-mt :;ffl ~ ~ am: ~ 'I'tT ~ qN t I .''t 00 ~i m:r'lft ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Iffif ~ ~ amr ~ ~ ~ ---.fi, ~ ~ 'ff'lit ~ ~ !!Wi ~~~~~ ~ ~ arT'1 ~~ ~ .fI' m m om om- aTroft 'itt 'fo': ~ wg ~ ~ ~ ~ ift fllF.T ~ ~ . , : iT'V'1 ~ 'f.T ~ ~ ~ ~ am- : ~ ~~ fum orr W ~ I ~ 2323 Indus/rieli alld MARCH 7, 1968 Licensing Policy Reports 2324 (M.) ["" (tiltliittl( ~ come forward to industrialise thj: country did not take any interest. It has been ~ fiti ~ ~ arn+ft ~ ~ mr, '3'f ~ mentioned by Dr. Hazari himself that they n~~~~~ ? did not make any application. Therefore, if a firm makes an application and others do arr;j'r 'l': fwr ~~ 3fT!:TT ~i~~~~~ 3fT( ~ me ~ iff;r ~ ~ I IflIT ~ ~~ :'ili 11 fi1(ff ~ f/fi ~i~ ~~ 'iifi1Tit ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~ 1 ~~~ 11 'fi+J iJ 'fiq l!iIT Nil: m-m o1m i!'ffiT t ~ ~ it. ~ 'tiT 'Sfz£t'T ~ ~ 1 ~ ~~ 11 ;r@ arTar lffir if; fl'I"l1: Wi ~ ~ 1 'r"I'iT ~ tlm' ~ f/fi ~ 0 ~~ ~ ~~ 'liT ~i ~~~~~~i ~ "lj ~ lIT ~ T 'U"i?' iii' ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 1 fir.< r.rn 'Sflfin: ;.,. morn #, anm'li i~ # ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 'f'f ~ ~ ~ 1 ~ ~i 'liT m en: lff{ ~ "R!f W. - ~ a't am: 'tiT ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ m::7ll'ro ~~ ~ J 'Sf1ir'T 'liW it. ~ ~ ~ ~ /fiT ~ ~ ~ (flfi ~ fu"Ti 'fiT w.:r:a- ~ ma-- o::oR ffofT ~ 4' o.ft i~ modifications were needed in those policies. ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ am: 'ifTW!T I had mentioned that the di8('ussion of the fit; i~ ~ SflfiT<: 11ft f<:'1Tif Hazari Report in the context of the action 11ft ~ lfi"Uff ~ ~ ~ ..nm if; taken by Government will be helpful because the suggestions which hon. Members may ~n~~~~~ have occasion to offer will be helpful to us {'I'lf.t; ~ f.ruTli ~ ~ 'f."ffl in formulating our policy and, if necessary, 2331 indllstrial and MARCH 7, 1968 Licensing PoIiI;J! R,ports 2332 (M.) [Shri F. A. Ahmed) should also be taken into consideration, in changing the objective which we have If we look into these things, we find that adopted for the purpose of industrial deve- there arc inherent contradictions in the very lopment. From that point of view I am principles which we have adopted. There grateful to hon. Members that the debate fore, if in some direction or in any direction lasting over seven hours has served a very things have gone wrong, we cannot say thai useful purpose. it is only because of the licensing policy .but It IS also because of the very conflic:ting SHRI D. C. SHARMA (Gurdaspur) : principles which we have been puriIuing No purpose at all ! and which may also be responsible for that. So, the question before us is not to give a SHRI F. A. AHMED: Well, I am not so subjective consideration of what Dr. Hazari ungrateful to the hon. Members for the very has placed before us but to consider this valuable suggestions which some of them Report with certain objectives. have given in the course of this discussion. I do not know if my friend who has raised Here. I would like to point out that some this objection was present here when these of the hon. Members have suggested that observations were made. But I, certainly, Dr. Hazari was appointed by the Govern- think that some of the observations are,help- ment at the instance of some Congress ful and will be taken note of when we take Members. I would like to disabuse the a final decision with regard to our policy in minds of hon. Members who have this impres- this matter. sion because no Congress Member had taken I would like to remind the House that the par, or initiative in suggesting that Dr. objective of our industrial policy is the Hazari should be appointed for the purpose growth of industries in our country. It is of giving this Report and t he Government with that objective that certain guide-lines. had not appointed Dr. Hazari to give this certain principles. were laid before the Report, Dr. Hazari was appointed, as the country of which the House is aware. Under hon. Members arc aware. as the hony. that guide-line which was adopted as a po- Consultant in the Planning Commission to licy, a certain number of industries were review the operation of licensing and so fixed only for being developed in the public on. He was not appointed by the Govern- sector. Then, there were other industries ment. The Report which was submitted by for which both public sector and private him was not made to the Government but sector were permitted to come in the field to the Planning Commission. and help each other for the purpose of their development and the rest of the indus- Some of the hon. Members have also tries were left in the private sector 10 deve- criticised that he had gone beyond the terms lop, It is on this basis that we have been of reference. If I read the Report, I find this proceeding since 1952 and this licensing pro- is what Dr. Hazari himself has said: cedure was adopted after the Act was pass- ed by this House in order to regulate the "The precise areas of industrial planning development of industries having regard to and licensing policy on which I was to the principles we had laid down in the Indus- work left to my discretion in consulta- trial Policy Resolution. tion with the Industrial and Mineral Development Division of the Planning Now, Sir, if we look into those principles, Commission." \ we find that those principles themselves are conflicting and will not serve tbe very pur- Therefore, J submit that it is not proper that pose for which those principles were laid we should impute any motive either to Dr. down. On the one hand, in those principles, Hazari or to anyone who had appointed him it was said that we must have quick indus- for the purpose of surveying the entire licens- trial development in our country by having ing policy and submitting a Report before bigger units and, on the other hand, we said the Planning Commission. We may not that we should also not ne&1ect smaller agree. 1 myself do not alree with many of units, Now, in the same Industrial Policy the things which have been suggested in tbis Resolution, it was also said that the ques- Report, but because we disagree with some tion with reprd to the re&ional imbalance of the observations which have been made 2333 lndustl'ial and PHALGUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Licellsillg Policy 2334 Report3 (M.) by Dr. Hazari, we should not say this. One of the questiuns which ha ve been can see that he has spent a good deal oftime raised by the hoo. members is with regard io and also put in a hard labour in placing this canal ising the iovesimenl in'(. ilii,,>rit} midi. Report before the Planning Commission. That was also one of the objectives of our Therefore, it would not be proper that the Industrial P,)(jcy Rosolution which we had hard work put in by Dr. Hazari should adopted in 1956, and I can say that. by and be interpreted as if he had done this work at large. that objective has been fulfilled. thc instance of either the Government or During the past three Plan periods, I would any Congress member or t hat there was a like to r,emind the hon. members. we have bad motive on his part in submitting this mad, a substantiJI and noteworthy progress Report. I hope, the members will not have in the industrialisation of this country. The that point of view, will not accept that point basic industries. particulady, machine- "f view .... b"i:ding ini~ and. of late, the chemical indu>tries. as also a ~ variety of consum- ~ J. B KR1PALANI : Has the er industries, have been developed. It is Planning Commission reviewed this ~ not necessary for me to cite any detailed figures in support of this. The House is SHRI F. A. AHMED' This Report was aware of this. But the main point wllich I submitted to the Planning Commission and would like to stress is that our policies and I do not know how actually it ~ into the perspective have been generally in the right hands of wme ~ I wa.; "sked to direction. Then it has been pointed out. ..• place this ~ in R.ljya Sabha ...... (/lIIerl'lIpliom') , (Interruptions) SHRI SAMAR GUHA (Contai) : There SHRI PILOO MODY From this }OU was a lot of conflict between your policy and infer that the Planning Commission is t he actual practice. How do you say that looking at it ! they have been in the right direction? AN HON. MEMBER A deliberate SHRI F. A. AHMED : I have said that leakage! in the priority sector-one of the main prin- SHRI F. A. AHMED: I have no doubt ciples of the Industrial Policy Resolution is whatsoever that the' PI"nnilll: Commis.;ion. this-we have developed industries and I when t n~ ~ engaged in prepariog a plan have given a few instances where the deve- for the future. will ~~nin look into this lopment has already taken place. whether in valuable e under the private sector. I would like the future .... (llltermpl;O/l.\) hon. House to remember as to what has been AN liON. MEMBER : The only copy the nalure of investment, both in the private was spirited away. sector and in the public sector, in the last three Plan periods. SHRI F. A. AHMED : What are the important aspects which have been c"nsi. So far as the figures are concerned. in dered and observed by the hon. members 1950·51 the contribution of the public sec- in thi\ connection .... tor was less than 2 per cent; this contribution rose to about 8 per cent in 1960 aDd to about SHRI R. K. AMIN

    SHRI S. S. KOTHARI : There is a wide gap between profession and practice. SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS rose-

    SHRI F. A. AHMED : I am sorry Prof. MR, SPEAKER: At this rate, the whole Humayun Kabir is not here. I would just House wiu begin to ask for clarification. No please. Otherwise, we will have to go conclude by saying that certainly it is the Government's responsibility, and we arc on up to 8 o'clock. (lnterruptioll) Every- entirely responsible to sec that whatevcr body would like to have a clarification. No goes wrong is put in order, and I am sorry pleasc. Mr. S. M. Krishna's substitute that such an observation should have come motion is there : he is not present. from no less a person than Prof. Humayun SHRI S. KUNDU : I am here. It is a Kabir, because he was one of the important joint motion. members of the Cabinet when these policies were pursued and it is now being considered MR. SPEAKER: Yes; I know. Arc you on the Hazari Committee report. pressing it ?

    I submit that so far as the Government SHRJ S. KUNDU : Yes, Sir. It must are concerned, we are not interested in be read out. either A or B. We are only concerned MR. SPEAKER : Everybody has got it. with certain objectives and we arc only concerned, whether it is the licensing syst< m SHRI S. KUNDU : It is better to rcad it - or any other system, with what is intended to to refresh onc's memory. develop the industry and to see what has gone wr0ng or anything requires any modifi- It will take not more than a minute. It cation. It is only with that purpose in vicw is better you read it. . that this report will be considered by us and the report submitted by Prof. Thacker will MR. SPEAKER : No please. be considered by us and the Cabinet Com- SHRI S. KUNDU : I will read it. The mittee is a1l0 considering to what extent the substitute motion standing in the name of modification in' the policy is caUed for. Shri S. M. Krishna and in my name reads as follows: Before I conclude, I would like to point out that certain Members are under the That for the original motion, the follow- wrong impresslon that no assistance is given ing be substituted, namely :- to the Thacker Committee for the purpose of doing their work. As far as I know, every "This House, having considered the facility has been provided to them and the) Interim and Final Reports on Industrial have been given a big office 10 work aDd they Plannillll and Licensing Policy by Dr. have also been given a large pcrsonoel to R. K. Hazari, laid on the Toole of the 2341 Indlls/,Ial and PHAJ.GUNA 17, 1889 (s.uc.;) Lit;eruina Poliq 2342 RePOT/l (M.) House on the 7th April and 16th Novem- REPORTED JaDNAPPINO 011 POUCH ber, 1967 respeaively, is of the opinion CONSTABLE BY CHINESE EMBAssy that the Government has miserably RED GUARDS-Con/d. failed to implement the Iicensina policy in a manner so as to curb the concentra- MR. SPEAKER: Shri Dwivedy. tion of wealth in a few hands as directed by the Constitution and hili deliberately SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY pursued a policy influenced by big capi- (Kendrapara): I have already called the talist interests which has resulted ill the attention of the Minister of Home Aft'afi's; growth of big industrial houses to the detriment of progress of socialist econo- MR. SPEAKER: The Minister may now my in this country." (I) make his statement.

    MR. SPEAKER: I will now put the sub. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE stitute motion No. I which has been read MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI out just now by Mr. Kundu. VIDYA CRARAN SHUKLA) : We have The substitute mlllion No. I was put been informed by the Delhi Administration Qlulllcgalil·ed. that on March 6, 1968 constables Ghani- sham Parshad and Ram Richpal Singh of MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Bancrj.:c's motion 24th Btn. of the C.R.P. were returninaat also is there. about IS. IS hrs. from beat duty in Railway Colony at Sardar Patel Marg to Police SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: I will read;1. Station, Chanakyapuri. They were in It says : That for the original motion, the uniform. They took a short cut throuSh tbe following be substituted, namely: Chinese Embassy premises by enterins from "This House, having considered the one of the gates on Nyaya Matg and emera- Interim and Final Reports on Industrial ed on the main gate on Shanti Path. When Planning and Licensing Policy by Dr. the two constables had come out ofthe main R. K. Hazari, laid on the Table of the gate of the Embassy, they were called back House on the 7th April and 16th Novem- by the gate-keeper Bir Bahadur of the Chi- ber, 1967 respectively, holds the Govern- neSe Embassy. One of them, namely, ment responsible for showins favo. Ghanisham Parshad complied and entered uritism in the matter of granting the gate. Bir Bahadur caught hold of him licences and therefore recommends to and took him inside the room meant for the Government:- gate-keeper and forcibly detained him. Soon after this some Chinese and otbers (i) to amend the Companies Act ban- came from tbe main Embassy buildina and' ning donations to Political Parties; took Ghanisham Parshad inside the main and building.

    (ii) to appoint a Commission of 2. At about 17 ·15 hours the Station Inquil)' to investigate into the House Officer told another Chowkidar of Whole affair." (2) the Embassy, Suraj ~ to inform the MR. SPEAKER : I will now put Mr. Chinese inside the main buildina that ~ Banerjee's substitute motion No.2 to the Sub-Divisional Magistrate and the Sub-· House. Divisional Police Officer would like to talk to them about the detained eonstable.·After some time he returned and intimated that the The subs/illite mOl/on No. 2 was PUT Chinese would not talk to the local autho- ~ negatl.ed. rities but would deal only with the Ministry of External Affairs. After about 15 minutes' t he Sub-Divisional Masistrale spo\i:c on tele- phone to the Chinese authorities. in. the 1"06 ...... Embassy and requested. tb«

    SHRI VIDYA CHARAN SHUKLA >if ~ ~ : ~ ~ But, aeeording to the international practices or the diplomatic immunity, the case can be iiif ~ om if ~ "" f.rcr;ft qr proceeded with only against the Indian fT' ~ 'i"'F. ;f.r ~~ ~ itm 'Irnm is a serious matter. I have no opinions. The Chair has no opinions; the Chair can- '3'i'W iT ~ ~ "" ~ ~ aft<: not express an opinion whether il is i~ m:;:fnr lp.ffu 'f.T m ~ lllffi' factory or not. It is not prorer. Then, 2351 Kit/llop/};II!; vf MARCH 7, 1968 Policemall by Chillese Em- 2352 bossy Red G/Ulrd (C.A.) [Mr. Speaker] ~n~ i~ I will not be able to conduct the proceedings ~ IR1f ~ IRT ~ ~ \ft of the House at all. If I take sides and begin if saying thinas. tben I will not be able to con- ~ fit; ~ m m t afT'< duct the proceedinp of the House at all. ~~~~ Therefore, I would only make an appeal to the members. The names of five gentlemen ,,1 r.. a,,.

    ~~ii~ SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY : Before she replies, I would also like to know whether Government will take steps to _ ;u;;.rr ~ ~ fit; ~ ~ ~ li that no more Indians are employed in the ~~~~~~ in~ Embassy. op,ff. ~ m-r? ~ il'{I' ~ fit; SHRI SAMAR GUHA : On a point of :m 'mf ~ ~ 1\'91"1 il'{I' vfr? ami' order. Just now, the hon. Minister bas said that they had waited to lather full 4 rn- amjERGY, MINISTER OF the public to give went tu their feelings b} PLANNING AND MINISTER OF holding a demonstration there? Is that thc EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRIMATJ thins which the n~n want? If they INDIRA GANDHI) : I appreciate the feel- want it, then they will have it and let them be ings of hon. Members. I understand tlleir rcady for the protectIOn of tbe Embassy. feehng angry and upstet over this. Bu.t I am sure the people of Delhi will hold a when everybody gets up and all speak to- demonstration if Government behave in gether. it docs nut help the situation in any this manner. way. I have nothing to ad· has said about the facts of the case. As he ter j,; misleading the House. Government has mentioned, these mailers are dcall with have not brought the mattcr before the HOl"" according to ontcrnational law and the law thcniselve«. of the land. We cannot go beyond that SHRI M. L. SONDHI : 11118 is a seri"", As r"r Ihe quesl ion of brc"king off diplo- matter anJ we are getting no aJ1S\\('fs. malic relations.lhi, has hccn debaled in this Do the Go,ernmen! want a public demon,· HOllse before. I d" not think thaI this tration there? If they want it. I am sure the) incident changes anyl hing so far as tbat is will'get a public demonstration there. concerned. SHRI PILOO MODY : I want to make SHRI RANG A : You shOUld have one plea with you. I would require only brought it to the nOlice of the House yester- fifteen scconJs for it. day. 2355 LOJldslide ill MARCH 7, 1968 Burl Gundak River 23'56 in Nepal (St.) SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI : All and property in North Bihar. The Chief these matters have to be seen in a much Secretary to the Government of Bihar larger perspective. I know there is a group as also the Minister for Irrigation and po\\cr in this House who would like to .... were contacted and according to thc infer- mation available with the State Goverl1- SHRI M. L. SONDHI : No group, it is ment, the situation is as follows: the whole country. The land slide bas taken place not on tbe SHRI RANGA : Let us all be united now Buri Gandak river but on Buri Gandaki, a at least. tributary of the Narayani, i.e., Gandak SHRI SAMAR GUHA : It is a national river at a place called Labubese 12 miles up- qUCfition. stream of Aru Ghat Baza and about 50 miles north-west of Kathmandu in Nepal. The SHRI M. L. SONDHI : Even you arc pro- land slide is reported to have caused an obs- bably with us. truction of a height of about 50 feet across SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI: This this river. It is understood that the water is why I did not get up earli". is now overflowing.

    SHRI RANGA : Talk about the wholc The Gandak Barrage now under construc- lot of us. tion at Bhaisalotan (Valmikinagar), is 110 SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI : We miles from AruGhat Bazar, and a breacb of do take Il grave view of this. Even thOUgll tbe land slide and the resultant rush of water some mistake might have beer. made by the is likely to be largely absorbed as valley constable in entering the ~ compound storage between Aru Ghat Bazar and the Chir-ese should not have behaved in Valmikinagar. While heavy floods are 6ueh a higl,-h/lnded manner. This is accept- unlikely, the situation bas to be carefully ed. Nobocy need argue abc.vt it. But I watched and precautions taken. Govern- tbink the House might leave Government to ment of Bihar feel that there is no cause of deal with the matter, as the Minister has alarm. They have alerted all the concerned said, according to the law. It is not aood officers. As the floods in Gandak may alBo to take a snap decision in any of these affect areas in U.P., the U.P. Government matters. has been advised in the matter. All far as Shri M. L. Sondhi is concerned, I doubt if tho Chinese would make such a Steps are being taken to safeguard the ....ve mistake as to kidnlllM1im. But should coffer dam and other appurtenant worb on tIaIa happen, I must say it will be a areat loss the Gandak Barrage under construction at to the House and to India; and it will be Valmikinapr. ChIna', pin. OftiCcrs of the Bihar Government consist- SHRI SAMAR GUHA : The Prime ina of the Secretary. Irriplion Depanment, MinIster haa not answered the specific the Chiof Enli_r, Irrlplion and the Clief question about withdrawal of diplomatic . Engineer, Gandak Project left Patna this immunity from the Chinese officials. mornina for an aerial inspection of the IIIOt MR. SPEAKER: DR. K. L. Rao. by an aeroplane of the State GovernlllOllt. They were, however, unable to fly over the area and returned back to Palna. 11·31 hili. One of the senior ofllcers of the CeDtral Water and Power Commission Is at ~ STATEMENT RE. LANDSLIDE AND at Patna and is keeping in close touch with OBSTRUcnON IN THE RIVER BURl the Stale Government. The Chief Engine- GANDAK IN NEPAL er of the State GOVOl'lllllCllt is flyina k>- morrow to Kbatamandu and join tho Nepal THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION AND POWER (DR. K. L. RAO) : A _ Enginem's for further investigations. I have offered to the Minister for Irrigation and iCem appeared this moming about tho re- Power, BIhar to vlst the necessllY. ported land elido and obatruction caused in areas, if tile river Buri GBlldak and tho threat to ~ .:2357 A lrocities 011 PHALGUNA 17. 1889 (SAKA) M. P. HariJalls ill 2358 Bilaspllr (DISII.) 18'40 hrs. "'li "'t ~ ~ : ~ DISCUSSION REPORTEDATROCI- RE. ~~~iii~~ TIES ON SATNAMI HARIJANS IN BILASPUR DISTRICT ~ li ~ ~ ~ vft am ~ i~i~i ~~ ~~ ~ ~ om: li !f1'lfi'1'lm ~ lffiITCf i~ "4 f.lw:r 1 S S if; 3RI1T'f ~ ~ ~ 3fTIfT ~ 3ln: '3'ij' '1l: ~ rn ~ ~ Ifim, t .. ~i~~~ ~~i ~ ~ (t" M ~ flfq1if ~ 'Iffi rr(t (t ~ ~ li JfU ~ ~ f.!; "SIf m 'JiIRft t I ~ ~ if ~ IJ11ittr .1mR;f ~ ~ ~ 31, 'f)mr, ~~~~~n ~~ ~ 1968) ~~~~~~~ ~ ~ 20 ..• .. .,IIIiI<1IIi ~ ~ I ~ it; 1m '1fT ~ ~ firM em ~n~~~~ ~ ~ ~ IIfr ~i ~i ~ i~ ~ ...... ,'iil q ~i ttlfl"lk- m'If.r ~ ~ ~ at\' ~ ifrn ~ I ~ ~~~ ~ ~~~~~~~ ifrnT it ~ 'lfTilT "O(lT, ~i ~ ~~~~ ~ !fiT ~ IIfr ~ ~ o;rrfttt I ~~~i~~ 2361 Atrocities on PHALOUNA 17, 1889 (SAKA) M.P. Harijalls ill 2362 Blkupur (D/stt.) ni~i~ ~ ~ 'fiT;;iT ~ lfiT ~ ~ m.r it; rnr ~ it; amm: q'{ ;;iT ~~~~~ f'ifI!f'I' ~ t:!;fuq-rf ..om it; m'i ~ ~~ ~~i~ 'ilT ~ ~ ~ arft ~ ~ ..om i!r am; ~ ~ ~ q'{ ~ ~ it, ~ ~~ I ~~i ~ itl!i'mfitilfT, ~~i '4t ~~~~ ~ it. rnr ~ ~ ~ ~ ffiit 11ft 1!i'tImr 11ft ~ aror ~ ~ ~ ltfI' ~n am: ~ m+rrm- ~ A;Irr I ~~~~i~iii~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~i~~ ~ ~ ~ fttmq; 'lft ~ ancmr ~ ~in~ ~ ~ I ~ ~~~i~ ~ lift ~ 1fT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ am: m fit; ~ i~ it; ~ ~ ~~ garY ~ am: ~ ~ ~ aAfu;r it; arft ij iI1t iI1t orrn ~ ~ ~i~~~~i~~ ift;rr it; ~ ~ ~ ij "1' wft' f9 ~ '"lifT 1!i't mr 'I(f ~ m .. 2363 A trocifies all MARCH 7, 1968 M. P. Harijallx in 2364- Bilaspur (DiM'.) SHRI SONAVANE : Naubuddhas are ~~~~ not Harijans. They will object. ~~~~~~~ ~ ~ am: ~ ~ FilIi! iii 1>'1 0l'fil(1' aiR ~ ~~~~~~ 1 ~~ ~~ 1 ~i~ ~~ fiI; ~~ ~ 3f"ft-3T'Ift ;t\' ~ ~ fiI; ~ ii~~~ii~ii 'iIroI'11f ~ lIiT ~~ f1r<;IT mtT rnfuft ~~~n ~ ~ lU ~ ~i ij- ~ ~ ;m ~~ ~ !fiT ~ !fiT ~ 3!lf<'f fiI;1rr ;;rrI1 I ~ 1m ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ fIr.r ~ ~ ~ ~~~~~ ~~i ~ ~ it;mt. ~~~~~ ii ii~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ,ft ;;IT ~ m ~ ':i'fT ~ ~ ~ if ;rr;rr ~ ~ 'IR'ft.q;;;rt ': ~ ~ f'fi" ~ mT ~ mfT ~ if; f<;rit iI'fm ;;n;:rr m i1T ~ apr.f im ~ 'IT, ~ ~ ~ ~ rn ~ ~ ~ ift ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~ 'ti<: ~ ~ ffif.!; 3fIft '4't ~ ~ <'ftlff 'liT eft ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ qr;ft ~ ~ ~ t, ~ f<;rit '1ft 3'/"RlI' ~ ~ I 4' f.m;; 'I>':i'fT ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ 1l itm ~ ~ f.!; ~ ~ ~ ~ tfc.IT 'f>T ~ ~ 'lfi sf ~ f.I; I¥ ~ amn:1 ~ llln1T ~ ~ ~ I ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ G1IT ~ f'f. ~i fit;'it G"r ;r, ~ itrWr mfiRr rn ~ ~~~~ " ? ;if{ ~ : 'a'lt lI>'T ;iJ'lf ~ m 'f;T' ~ I ~~~ I ~ ~ ~ I III @' ~ atF' 'I11!iof ~ I lI>'T ;iJ'lf ~ ~ !tiT ;:nvr it I; ~ ~ ;;rq ~ ~ W'm: if ~~~~ m ~ (fr t:t'ti fiij,.. " ...ill4 ~ it ~ ,.r it ~~~~i~ ~ !if; q'pf;;;r ~ ~ ~ ,. fit; qj ~ 2371 AtrociJies or: MARCH 7, 1968 M. P. Harijans in 2372: Bilaspur (Dlstt.) ~ ~ ~~~~~~ • ~ Iffi:r ~ ~ lIT'ft mr.mft ~~ I ~i~n~~ am: ~~ mr.mft tT ~ ~ 11 ~ I ~ m- 11 20 ~ 1fT ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ R'UT!rn ~ ~ I ~ ~ m- m 1!'f ~ ififT ~ qr 3f1i\" ~ 3fo'll'TlI' ~ ~ ~ R; ;;IT mtt fit; ~ ~ emf ~ am: m an{ ~ ~ f'i1i ~ ~ am: f'i1i ~ I ~ ~ ~ if; fu1:1: ;!tim: ~ I m ~ 'fi<'W-1: ~~i ~ arrf.f ~ ~ if?: ~ m'fiT foro am: ~ ~ ~ tflfT fit; ~ ~ ~ ~~i I ~~i~ ~ I ~ fmr ~ it fu1:1: ~ Jtt mr ~ ~ ~ ~ 'ffim !flIT ~ m'It lft1fT ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ !flIT 'ffim mt ~ vfT? ~ ~ ~ I ~i~~~~ i~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ;;rr ~ ~ ~ ~ I ~~i~~~i ;;IT m'It ~ m ~ fl!nr If\T-IT ~ q. m- IIl"C( AI!: ~ '!fT 11 f'* ~ • 2373 Atrocities "" PHALGUNA 17. 1889 (SAKA) M.P. Harija1ls ;11 2374· BI/aspur (Dim.) ~~ ~~ ~ ,.;r ~ '\ f., ~ Iq I(I :ri: "3"'if.t fit; 3f1T<: ~ ~ if; ~ (\" Iff at ;ft;r ~ if>'\' I afmfT iii ~ ¥ ~ I ~ ~ ~ illIf4C11fMI If>T II1Iil tf<: ~ ~ ~ ~ f.t; ~ iii '17f.r am. ~ ~ ~ ~~~~~ mffff'f.T"R .mr t am: if lIlT ItiU If>lf ~~~~~i~ $'f-w-zr ¥ RtrT I ~ ~ q;: ~~~~~ ~~~i ~ It>'t ~ ~ ~ <'fttif I!iT ~ ~~i~~~ t am: ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~ ~ i'rtnr. ~ ar4T 1ft ~ <'fttif q;: ~ I lfi'tt ~~ ~~ ~ 1UlIW gtI: am: ~ ll";r ~ ~ ..... ~ ~~~~ 'tfiIi ~ it ~ ~ ~ t ¢.:ro; ~~~ ~~ ~~~ .2375 AlrociJies 011 MARCH 7. 1968 M. P. Hariians ill 2376 Bilaspur (DisiI.) ~ firiit-rnn attm m' ,.] ~~~~~i~ maJq;ft ~ ~~ 1 ~ ~ om ~ 3I1f.t rn en: ~ ;;rt.r ~ \fiT l:1'if ~ w:r l'JlfT ~ m lfiT ~ ~~~~ OJP l'JlfT ~ ~ fut:J: tf>"r<:;f 'ff.t I !fr.t ~ ~~~~~ I ~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~gn~ ~ ~~ ~ mo 'fTo anto irro;;ri"'q m I ~ ~~~~~~~ ~ ~ ~ aT'I1T "'" ;;rt.r ~ ~ ~ 1

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