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Vol. 791 Wednesday, No. 2 6 February 2013 DÍOSPÓIREACHTAÍ PARLAIMINTE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES DÁIL ÉIREANN TUAIRISC OIFIGIÚIL—Neamhcheartaithe (OFFICIAL REPORT—Unrevised) Insert Date Here 06/02/2013A00100Leaders’ Questions � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 495 06/02/2013E00300Death of Member: Expressions of Sympathy� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 504 06/02/2013L00100Order of Business � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 515 06/02/2013L02200Ministerial Rota for Parliamentary Questions: Motion � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 518 06/02/2013L02500Pre-European Council Meeting: Statements � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 518 06/02/2013S00950Message from Select Committee� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 535 06/02/2013S01050Topical Issue Matters � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 535 06/02/2013T00100Ceisteanna - Questions � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 536 06/02/2013T00200Priority Questions� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 536 06/02/2013T00250Cross-Border Co-operation� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 536 06/02/2013T00650Judicial Appointments � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 538 06/02/2013U00550Road Traffic Legislation � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 540 06/02/2013V01450Garda Strength� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 543 06/02/2013X00750Magdalen Laundries � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 546 06/02/2013Y00300Other Questions � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 550 06/02/2013Y00400Penalty Points System � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 550 06/02/2013AA01400Topical Issue Debate � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 556 06/02/2013AA01450Local Authority Charges � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 556 06/02/2013BB00400Asylum Process � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 559 06/02/2013DD00100Student Grant Scheme Reform � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 562 06/02/2013EE00300Hospital Services � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 565 06/02/2013FF00300National Lottery Bill 2012: Second Stage (Resumed) � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 567 06/02/2013QQ00400Message from Select Committee� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 588 06/02/2013QQ00600National Lottery Bill 2012: Second Stage (Resumed) � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 588 06/02/2013UU00500National Lottery Bill 2012: Referral to Select Committee � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 595 06/02/2013UU00800 Water Services Bill 2012 [Seanad]: Second Stage � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 595 06/02/2013YY01300Promissory Notes: Motion (Resumed) [Private Members] � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 605 06/02/2013HHH04675Business of Dáil � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 632 06/02/2013JJJ00025Promissory Notes: Motion (Resumed) [Private Members] � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 635 06/02/2013MMM00100Business of Dáil � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 640 06/02/2013NNN00100Business of Dáil � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 640 Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Bill 2013: Order for Second Stage � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 646 06/02/2013RRR00500Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Bill 2013: Second Stage � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 646 06/02/2013TTTT00100Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Bill 2013: Committee and Remaining Stages � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 682 DÁIL ÉIREANN Dé Céadaoin, 06 Feabhra 2013 Wednesday, 06 February 2013 Chuaigh an Ceann Comhairle i gceannas ar 10�30 a�m� Paidir. Prayer. 06/02/2013A00100Leaders’ Questions 06/02/2013A00200Deputy Micheál Martin: Everybody in this House would, in the first instance, have to commend and pay tribute to Senator Martin McAleese and his team for the comprehensive and substantive report which has revealed hitherto unknown facts about State involvement in the Magdalen laundries� It was the right decision to set up such a committee� It was a good decision� It is a compre- hensive and substantive report� However, for whatever reason - rightly or wrongly - expecta- tions were raised in advance of the publication of the report yesterday that a comprehensive response would be given to the issues raised in it� Those representing survivors of the Magda- len laundries had the impression that such a comprehensive response would emanate from the Taoiseach and the Government� Having read the executive summary of the report and other aspects of it, it is clear that an unequivocal apology should be given to the women of the Magdalen laundries by the officers of the State� An apology should be given by the Taoiseach on all our behalf in his capacity as Taoiseach and Head of Government� Such an apology would say to the women involved that what was done to them was wrong� It should be said that the apology is on behalf of the Gov- ernment, the State and all the citizens - no ifs and no buts� One can qualify reports and a range of aspects involved in this or any issue but the funda- mental point that comes out of the report is the denial of fundamental human rights� I accept the arguments about it being a different era and historically looking back but, fundamentally, what emerges from the report is a denial of the right to freedom, the loss of freedom and the denial of contact with the outside world� That was exacerbated whether by omission or commission on behalf of the State by its involvement, but also compounded by the absence, lack and undermin- ing of educational, health and welfare rights, which clearly were significant factors as well in the life experience of the women involved� Given the publication of the report and what has emerged from it, the moment is now when 495 Dáil Éireann such an apology should be issued on behalf of society� As an immediate response, in addition to an apology, Justice for Magdalenes has suggested – it is a good proposal – that a dedicated unit should be established within the Department of Justice and Equality which would be an interdepartmental hub to co-ordinate remaining aspects of the State’s response to the issue, in- cluding redress, which should also be provided� 06/02/2013A00300The Taoiseach: The report which was commissioned by the Government, which former Senator McAleese chaired, was one that was determined in consultation with the Minister for Justice and Equality, Deputy Shatter, and the Minister of State, Deputy Lynch, before the Unit- ed Nations committee made its recommendation� This, however, is about women and young girls who entered Magdalen laundries through a variety of routes� As the report points out, this is not a simple, single issue� The Government is genuinely concerned at bringing about recon- ciliation and closure to the women involved� I spent a considerable period late last night reading sections of the 1,000 page report� It makes for harrowing reading in many respects� It is important to say that the truth has been ex- posed by the McAleese report. In that regard, the first and major issue which was of concern to the girls and young women who were in the Magdalen laundries was the removal of the stigma attached to them. For the first time their stories have been told, recorded and published, and their stories are believed� I would not like us to engage in adversarial diplomacy in the House on an issue as sensitive and evocative of bad memories for so many� That is why I suggested yesterday that we should reflect deeply on the findings of the report and the facts as outlined and that we would come back in two weeks to discuss the