STANDING COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE BILLS

Hansard Verbatim Report

No. 6 — April 20, 2006

Legislative Assembly of

Twenty-fifth Legislature

STANDING COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE BILLS 2006

Ms. Judy Junor, Chair Saskatoon Eastview

Mr. Glen Hart, Deputy Chair Last Mountain-Touchwood

Ms. Doreen Hamilton

Mr. Warren McCall Regina Elphinstone-Centre

Mr. Don Morgan Saskatoon Southeast

Ms. Sandra Morin Regina Walsh Acres

Mr. Lyle Stewart Thunder Creek

Published under the authority of The Honourable P. Myron Kowalsky, Speaker STANDING COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE BILLS 23 April 20, 2006

[The committee met at 09:10.] I’ll first ask Mr. Ring to go through some of his remarks about the Bill, and then you can introduce yourself and if you have The Chair: — I’ll call the meeting to order, the Standing any opening remarks, make them at that point. Mr. Ring. Committee on Private Bills. And our agenda this morning is the consideration of Bill No. 302, The Orange Benevolent Society Mr. Ring: — Good morning, members. I have examined this Amendment Act; The Faith Alive Ministries World Outreach private Bill and am pleased to report that it is drawn in Centre Inc. Act; and Bill No. 303, The Saskatchewan Wheat accordance with the rules of the Legislative Assembly Pool Repeal Act. respecting private Bills.

We need a motion before we begin to have the proceedings I am also pleased to report that, in my opinion, it contains no broadcast. Mr. Hart. provisions that are at variance with the usual provisions of private Acts on similar subjects or that are deserving of special Mr. Hart: — I will make that motion. attention. Thank you.

The Chair: — Thank you. All in favour? Agreed. Now before The Chair: — Thank you. Good morning. we start broadcasting, we’re going to have an in camera session to discuss, among the committee, some issues that we would Ms. McBain: — Good morning. like to do in camera and then bring the presenters back. So if you’ll excuse us. The Chair: — Just introduce yourself and if you have any remarks to the Bill, you can make them at this point. [The committee continued in camera.] Ms. McBain: — Thank you. My name is Janice McBain, and The Chair: — I’ll call the committee back to order. Before we I’m the executive officer of the Orange Benevolent Society. I start, for the interest of the public — if we can ask all members have no further remarks regarding the Bill application. to take their seats please — for the interest of the public I’m just going to introduce the committee. The Chair: — So then, members, any questions? Mr. Morgan.

I’m Judy Junor, MLA [Member of the Legislative Assembly] Mr. Morgan: — Just a comment briefly. I think our committee from Saskatoon Eastview, chairing this committee. To my left is always prepared to support legislation from groups that want is Ken Ring, the Law Clerk. And I’ll let our members introduce an amendment to their legislation or legislation to enable them ourselves starting with Ms. Hamilton. to give away money for scholarships, bursaries, and grants, and I can’t imagine us not wanting to support such a Bill. Ms. Hamilton: — Doreen Hamilton, member for Regina Wascana Plains. The Chair: — Seeing no further questions, then to the Bill.

Ms. Morin: — Sandra Morin, member for Regina Walsh [Clause 1 agreed to.] Acres. [Clauses 2 and 3 agreed to.] Mr. McCall: — Warren McCall, MLA for Regina Elphinstone-Centre. The Chair: — Therefore Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan, The Chair: — Mr. McMorris. enacts as follows: An Act to amend An Act to incorporate The Orange Benevolent Society of Saskatchewan. Mr. McMorris: — Don McMorris, MLA for Indian Head-Milestone. We have a motion to move this then forward?

Mr. Toth: — Don Toth, MLA Moosomin. Ms. Hamilton: — I would so move.

Mr. Morgan: — Don Morgan, MLA for Saskatoon Southeast. The Chair: — Ms. Hamilton. All in favour? Agreed. Short and simple. Thank you very much. Mr. Hart: — Glen Hart, MLA Last Mountain-Touchwood and Deputy Chair of this committee. Ms. McBain: — Thank you.

Bill No. 302 — The Orange Benevolent Society Bill No. 301 — The Faith Alive Ministries Amendment Act World Outreach Centre Inc. Act

Clause 1 Clause 1

The Chair: — Thank you very much. I’m just going to . . . The Chair: — The second item up for business is consideration We’ll call . . . The first order of business is Bill No. 302, The of Bill No. 301, The Faith Alive Ministries World Outreach Orange Benevolent Society Amendment Act. If I could ask the Centre Inc. Act. We’ll again ask Mr. Ring to make some petitioners to come forward. opening remarks, and I’d invite the petitioners to come forward. 24 Private Bills Committee April 20, 2006

Mr. Ring: — I have examined this private Bill and am pleased Allison Boutin is a teacher. to report that it is drawn in accordance with the rules of the Legislative Assembly respecting private Bills. I am also pleased Jeannie Pewapisconias works at the place in Saskatoon, at the to report that, in my opinion, it contains no provisions that are FSIN [Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations] main office at variance with the usual provisions of private Acts on similar there. subjects. However I would note that Faith Alive Ministries World Outreach Centre Inc. is not incorporated pursuant to a Martin Atiemo, he’s an instructor in math mainly at the private Act. Thank you. University of Saskatchewan and also the First Nations University in Saskatoon. The Chair: — Thank you then. If you could just introduce yourself and if you have any comments to make. And Ryan Boutin works in a company for alarm systems. There’s 22 employees under him. Mr. Pierce: — I’m Dr. David Pierce from Faith Alive Ministries and also director of the . . . We have Faith Alive Marcel Head who we have today and I’ll let him make a few Bible College. We’ve been going for 25 years. Do you want us comments here as soon as we’ve finished. to say anything about the little brochure I’ve put together or . . . Ryan Boutin. And then there’s Lorna Martin. She’s one of our The Chair: — And could you introduce the other people with instructors. She teaches music. you? And Tara Cook. Her father was Harry Cook, chief from La Mr. Pierce: — Yes, thank you. Thank you for having us come Ronge who just retired here recently. here today. This is Dr. Dele Ogunremi; he’s one of our instructors. And this is Chief Marcel Head from Shoal Lake And I’ll let maybe Marcel make a few comments at this time First Nations. about the value of us getting this degree granting status.

The Chair: — Certainly if you have some comments to make, Mr. Head: — Good morning. You know most of our young go ahead. people that are graduating out of high school are looking forward to getting a degree and whether in practical theology, Mr. Pierce: — Part of our introduction there, we mention a and we’ve always looked for an institution to help us, I guess, little bit about who we are, that we’re . . . it’s a Pentecostal and looking into something like this. So I think there’s only one charismatic persuasion. And we are at the present location on Bible college close in the vicinity of Shoal Lake Cree Nation. University Drive; we’ve been there for 17 years. We have a There’s an outreach centre in Prince Albert; I forget the name of two-year program that we’ve offered for 25 years presently. it. But something like this I think we would support our students if they were to apply to Faith Alive Bible College And we have a number of testimonies that are included in the through our own post-secondary programming. brochure there of those that have graduated and indicates some of the success we’ve had with those that have graduated. And And also, personally I think it is a unique Bible college. I we were requesting that we have the privilege to grant degrees personally would recommend our people to, you know, take to students that will further enhance what we have to offer for their practical theology through Faith Alive Bible College. them. And personally I went through their two-year program, and I The first one we have there is Carrie Prokopishin. She’s a nurse graduated out of there, and it’s been an experience. I guess I’ve and is at the Calder Centre in Saskatoon and this mentions used, you know . . . Bible college, that’s really helped me out in about it. most of all my life. I’ve been a chief for the past eight years now, and I just finished my third term as a chief. And I got And Susan Harper, Constable Harper is a graduate and she’s in re-elected back in May, so I’m serving my third term as a chief. Lytton, BC [British Columbia] presently. And it’s helped me a lot. And I usually share a lot of things with Dr. Reverend David Pierce, you know, and I really relied on the Kim and Lynn Weiler are what we call missionaries. They are Faith Alive Ministries, you know, for all the years that I’ve in Guatemala. They have a tremendous outreach in Central been a leader. And certainly my testimony I guess speaks for it. America. And I’m glad to support it and endorse it. Thank you.

And Sheri Lozowchuk, she was a girl that came to us that was The Chair: — Thank you. Any further comments? from several drug programs. She had a lot of problems with alcohol, and today she’s the manager of one of the successful Mr. Head: — No thank you. jewellery stores in Saskatoon. The Chair: — Any questions by members? Mr. Morgan. Kevin Bundus, he lives in Yorkton. He’s the pastor there of a church there. Mr. Morgan: — I’m sort of wondering the purpose of the request to grant degrees. You know, that if you didn’t have that, Ananda Peters, she got a degree in journalism. She worked with you would continue on. And I’m wondering, is one of your the CBC [Canadian Broadcasting Corporation] as a reporter purposes so that the degree would be recognized by U of S before she moved to the United States. She’s living there now. [University of Saskatchewan] or by other academic institutions? April 20, 2006 Private Bills Committee 25

I’m sort of wondering what benefit the legislation would have? Mr. Hart: — Just you’re providing this for our information then. Mr. Pierce: — Well because so many have just come for two years and have requested that they could continue their studies, Mr. Pierce: — Right. and like some of the testimonies that are written in there state how it would help them enhance in their careers that they Mr. Hart: — Okay. choose to have that degree granted to them and to have further studies. Mr. Pierce: — That’s just those other veins of emphasis that we have on music and a school of healing is part of their total Mr. Morgan: — My other question is, what consultation and picture of their degree. And so it wouldn’t be anything offered discussions has there been with the U of S regarding separately in that area. recognition of what you’re doing now, and what will it be after this has passed? Mr. Hart: — You mentioned though that you are looking at offering a master’s level degree . . . Mr. Pierce: — I haven’t had any consultation with them presently. My understanding is that their main concern is that Mr. Pierce: — Right. we’re not going to be offering degrees in other areas of study outside of religious studies and Biblical studies. Mr. Hart: — In the areas of theology and Biblical studies.

The Chair: — All right. Ms. Hamilton. Mr. Pierce: — Yes, in time.

Ms. Hamilton: — I was just wondering, when you’re looking Mr. Hart: — But when would you . . . at degree-granting status through this Act, do you work with the Department of Education to have the accredited teachers in that Mr. Pierce: — It would at least take another two years before it area and follow the curriculum that would be transferable to would even come close to that. other institutions? Mr. Hart: — Okay good. Thank you. Mr. Pierce: — We do have students that have graduated and been accepted with all their credits that we have offered, to go The Chair: — Ms. Morin. to other colleges, like because being it’s a religious college, it’s other colleges that teach similar courses. And they want to get Ms. Morin: — Thank you. I’m wondering if I’d be correct in their degrees, so they’ve been able to transfer right to those assuming that since we’ve had a report that Faith Alive other courses and colleges. And that’s usually the main thing Ministries World Outreach Centre Inc. is not incorporated when we look at degree-granting status, is other colleges pursuant to a private Act, are you then incorporated through a recognize, will accept what you have offered and done for them non-profit corporations Act? to pursue their studies to other levels of study. Mr. Pierce: — Yes, we are. Ms. Hamilton: — Thank you. Ms. Morin: — Okay. Thank you. The Chair: — Mr. Hart. The Chair: — Thank you. Mr. McCall. Mr. Hart: — Thank you, Madam Chair. The degrees that you would grant on passage of this particular Bill, would they be the Mr. McCall: — Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you for three degrees that you have listed at the bottom of the page of coming here today. the credentials that you offer? It would be the Bachelor of Theology, Bachelor of Ministries, and the bachelor of Biblical Mr. Pierce: — Thank you. science. Those are three degrees that you you’re requesting degree granting status for at this time? Mr. McCall: — I guess I was interested to note that you’re a member of the Association of Canadian Bible Colleges. And Mr. Pierce: — That’s our plan at the present. That’s the three you’ll forgive my . . . I’m not certain which other Bible colleges main areas that we would emphasize. And then after another in Saskatchewan are members of that same association. Do you year, then we will be able to introduce . . . or two years, a have an idea of which other institutions in Saskatchewan are? master’s degree in, well, the level. But that’s the three main areas that we’re going to focus on for their studies. Mr. Pierce: — Most of the colleges belong to that, but presently that was dissolved. That brochure was made up a year Mr. Hart: — Because according to your information here, you ago. That was just dissolved last year after whatever it was — offer a school of healing certificate and a school of music 30 or 40 years — that it was in existence. It was more or less certificate. But those areas, well according to your request in the like an association. Most of the colleges that I’m aware of have Bill, you wouldn’t be able to offer any degree or any degrees in chosen to sign up with a college with a degree-granting status those areas. recognition in the United States, so that’s probably what we’d have to look at also to become part of that. So this other, which Mr. Pierce: — No, no. That would be just . . . is in there, was dissolved just last year after many years of being in existence, but we were part of that and were accepted. 26 Private Bills Committee April 20, 2006

What you’re looking at is that you have a definite curriculum Bill No. 303 — The Saskatchewan Wheat Pool Repeal Act study, more structure to your courses than what you have, and that they’re Biblical in emphasis. That was how you belonged Clause 1 to that. The Deputy Chair: — Thank you for coming this morning. I Mr. McCall: — Is there any contemplation of building a new will ask Mr. Ring to make his comments. professional association in terms of, say, Saskatchewan so where you work together with Briercrest or Western Christian Mr. Ring: — I have examined this private Bill and am pleased College or . . . to report that it is drawn in accordance with the rules of the Legislative Assembly respecting private Bills. I am also pleased Mr. Pierce: — That association is for all of Canada. to report that, in my opinion, it contains no provisions that are at variance with the usual provisions of private Acts on similar Mr. McCall: — Okay. But is there anything parallel for subjects or that are deserving of special attention. Thank you. Saskatchewan? The Deputy Chair: — I’d ask our presenter to introduce Mr. Pierce: — Not that I’m aware of, no. himself and if he has any comments, certainly we’d welcome them at this time. Mr. McCall: — Okay. I guess in terms of, say, with the University of Regina, they belong to the Association of Mr. Dean: — Thank you and good morning. My name is Ray University and Colleges of Canada. Is there anything similar Dean, and I am the vice-president and general counsel/corporate that Faith Alive is member to? secretary of Saskatchewan Wheat Pool. I have no comments on our application. Mr. Pierce: — No. The Deputy Chair: — Okay, if there aren’t any . . . Are there Mr. McCall: — Okay. Just to be clear, right now you have the any questions from committee members? two-year diploma program? Ms. Hamilton: — I guess this Act . . . sorry. Mr. Pierce: — That’s correct. The Deputy Chair: — Ms. Hamilton. Mr. McCall: — And how long have you been offering the two-year diploma? Ms. Hamilton: — This Act has had its moments within our history in the Assembly. And with the passage of the repeal Mr. Pierce: — Twenty-five years. In fact it . . . [inaudible] . . . before us, this means that now you would no longer need to 26 years already. come forward, or are there other Acts that apply to your organization? Mr. McCall: — Okay. All right. I guess that’s it for me, Madam Chair. Mr. Dean: — Well it’s part of a large financial restructuring that occurred last March. The Saskatchewan Wheat Pool was The Chair: — Seeing no further questions then, short title — continued as a federal corporation under the Canada Business Faith Alive Ministries World Outreach Centre Inc. Act — is Corporations Act. And on that date, which is March 31, 2005, that agreed? The Saskatchewan Wheat Pool Act, 1995 ceased to have any application to the company. As a result of that, we wanted to Some Hon. Members: — Agreed. have this Act repealed just for ease of administration so there is no confusion in the future. [Clause 1 agreed to.] Ms. Hamilton: — Thank you. [Clauses 2 and 3 agreed to.] Mr. Dean: — You’re welcome. The Chair: — Therefore Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan, The Deputy Chair: — Any other questions? If not, we will enacts as follows: An Act to provide for certain degree granting move forward with this Bill. status for Faith Alive Ministries World Outreach Centre Inc. [Clause 1 agreed to.]

A motion to move that forward? Ms. Morin. All agreed? Yes. [Clauses 2 and 3 agreed to.] Thank you very much and thank you for coming. The Deputy Chair: — Therefore Her Majesty, by and with the Mr. Pierce: — Thank you very much. advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan, enacts as follows: Bill No. 303, An Act to repeal The Chair: — The next item before the committee is The Saskatchewan Wheat Pool Act, 1995. consideration of Bill 303, The Saskatchewan Wheat Pool Repeal Act. I’ll now turn the Chair over to Mr. Hart. I believe that concludes this item of business. Sorry. I’d ask for a member to move this. Ms. Junor. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members: — Agreed. The Chair: — Go ahead.

The Deputy Chair: — Thank you. Thank you very much. Ms. Morin: —

Ms. Woods: — I just want to advise the committee that the next That the Standing Committee on Private Bills direct the step that we need to do is to consider whether the committee Law Clerk to review and report on the process whereby wishes to remit the balance of the fees. institutions may be granted the authority to grant degrees, and to propose a policy framework for future What normally happens with a private Bill is they’re required to considerations of private Bills requesting degree-granting put down a deposit which will cover the cost of printing. It’s status by the committee. customary with petitions that have come forward for private Bills for charitable or religious institutions to then reimburse the The Chair: — Any discussion? Seeing none then, the question. petitioner for the balance of the fees that were not used for the All in favour? printing. So that would be the next motions that the committee could consider with regard to each of those Bills that we’ve . . . Some Hon. Members: — Agreed.

The Chair: — Separately? The Chair: — That motion is carried. Now we have the consideration of the 6th report to the Assembly which will Ms. Woods: — Separately, yes. include that motion. Any questions?

The Chair: — Okay. So for Bill No. 302, The Orange Ms. Hamilton: — Would the motion be added to this before it Benevolent Society Amendment Act, would someone move to goes to the Assembly? waive those fees? Ms. Hamilton. All agreed? Ms. Woods: — It would not be necessary for the motion to be Some Hon. Members: — Agreed. included in our report because it’s more of an internal committee matter. If at the end of the process, once we’ve heard The Chair: — Second one, Bill 301, The Faith Alive Ministries back from the Law Clerk, if the committee then wanted to World Outreach Centre Inc. Act, would someone move to report that new policy that they may adopt to the Assembly, that waive those? Ms. Morin. All agreed? would be the appropriate time, whereas right now we’re just directing him to conduct some research. Some Hon. Members: — Agreed. Ms. Hamilton: — All right. Thank you. The Chair: — Bill 303, The Saskatchewan Wheat Pool Repeal Act, would someone move to waive those fees? Mr. Morgan, The Chair: — So it’ll just appear in the minutes. Any further thank you. And all agreed? questions? Then I need a member to move that we adopt that. Mr. Hart? Mr. Morgan: — No, I want to speak to it. Mr. Hart: — Madam Chair, I believe we . . . did we agree not The Chair: — Oh sorry. to collect the fees for Bill . . .

Mr. Morgan: — I think we had a discussion at the end of the The Chair: — Oh yes. Yes we did. last session that we were going to try to adopt a practice where it was a charitable or religious group that we would waive the Mr. Hart: — Or refund the bills for Bill 303? So we have to fees, but we would not on a commercial venture. And I think make that change. Wheat Pool . . . So I think on that one we would . . . if we were going to follow that practice . . . The Chair: — Very good catch, very good catch. So as amended then. Agreed? The report . . . The Chair: — Okay, so we won’t do that. Mr. Hart: — Agreed. Yes. An Hon. Member: — Agreed. The Chair: — Agreed. All right. A motion then? The Chair: — Agreed. All right. So then the last item for business is consideration of the 6th report to the Assembly . . . Mr. Hart: — I’ll move that. [inaudible interjection] . . . Oh do you want to do that now, Meta? The motion that we’ve written up, do you want to do that The Chair: — Mr. Hart. Thank you. There’s no further now? business before the committee? Meeting is adjourned.

Ms. Woods: — Sure. [The committee adjourned at 10:04.]

The Chair: — Before we do the 6th report. Ms. Morin.

Ms. Morin: — Yes, Madam Chair, I’d like to move a motion at this time if I may.