LOK SABHA DEBATES (English Version)

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No. 23, Friday, March 31, 1989/Chaitra 10, 1911 (Saka)

COUJMNS

Obituary References: 1-2

Oral Answers to Questions: 2-32

*Starred Questions Nos. 431, 432, 435 to 437, 441, 443 and 446

Written Answers to Questions: 32-387

Starred Questions Nos. 433, 434, 438 to 440, 442, 32-42 444, 445 and 447 to 450

Unstarred Questions Nos. 4149 to 4184, 4186 to 4187, 43-373 4189 to 4279, 4281 to 4333, 4335 to 4341, and 4343 to 4382

Papers taid on the Table 388-396 527-528 '

Messages from Rajya Sabha 396-397 527

Cons1itufion (Sixty-First Amendment) Bill 398 As passed and assented to-laid

Leave of absence of Members from the sittings of the House 398-399 Grant of leave to certaill Members as recommended in Fifteenth Report

Committee on absence of Members from the sittings of the House 399

Minutes - Laid

Business of the House 399-405

Motion Re: Report of Commission on Centre-State Relations ../405--472

Shri B.R. Shagat 405-415

Shri N.V.N. Somu 415-422 ·The sign t marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. (ii)

Dr. G.S. DhDIon 422--427

Shri Dinesh Goswami 427--437

Shri R L. Bhatia 437-441

Shri R Jeevarathinam 441-445

Shri P.R. Kumaramangalam

Prof. Saifuddin Soz 451-458

Dr. G.S. Rajhans 458-462

Shri P. Kolandaivelu 462--471

Committee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions 472--473 Sixty-second Report - Adopted

Resolution 1'9: measures to control population explosion 473-526

Dr. Krupasindhu Bhoi 473-486

Shri Virdhi Chander Jain 487--490

Dr. G. Vijaya Rama Rao 490-492

Dr. PhuJrenu Guha 493-496

Shri Syed Shahabuddin 496-502

Shri N. Tombi Singh 502-507

Kumar; Mamata Banerjee 507-511

Shri V. Sobhanadreeswara Rao 511-519

Shri Girdhari Lal Vyas 520-525

Shri Aziz Qureshi 525-526 LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOKSABHA Shn Benoy Krtshna Daschowdhul) passed away on 25 February, 1989 at Cal- cutta at the age of 59.

Friday, March 31, 1989lChaitra 10,1911 Dr. P. Srinivasan was a Member of the (Saka) Third Lok Sabha dUring 1962-67 represent- Ing Madras-North constituency.

A medical proctltloner by profeSSion, The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the Clock Dr. Srinivasan was a prominent SOCial worker and was assocIated with sever dl [MR. SPEAKER In the Chm~ InstitUtions In various capaCities He took particular Interest II) the protection and wel- [English] tare of orphaned children. He was member of the All India Institute of Medical Sciences OBITUARY REFERENCES In 1962

MR. SPEAKER: Honourable Mem- Dr. Snnlvasa" passed away at Madras bers, with profound sorrow I have to Inform on 12 March. 1989 at the age of 81 the House of the sad demise of two of our former oolleagues, namely. Shn Benoy We deeply mourn the los::, of these Krishna Daschowdhury and Dr P SW)I- It I>:!nds and I am sure the House Will lOin me vasan In conveYinG Ollr condolences to the be- r&clved families Shn Benoy Krishna Daschowdhury was a Member of the Fourth and Fifth Lek S.Jbha The t iouse may now stand In Silence for dUring 1967 77 representing Coach-Behar a short while as a m ark of re5pect to the constituency of West Bengal. deceased.

A lawyer by profeSSIOn, Shn Dascho- The Membels then stood in silence for a wdhury was a dedicated SOCial worker. He short while actively participated in soclO-phllanthropic activlties_ A widely travelled person, he was life member of the India Branch of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association ORAL ANSWERS TO 6UESTIONS and was the Indian delegate to the Com mon- wealth Parliamentary Conference heki at [English] Canberra, Australia in 1970. Import of Non-Ferrous Metals by MMTC

An able parliamentarian, Shn Dascho- "431. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES· wdhury took keen interest in the proceed- WARl: Will the M!nister of COMMERCE be ings of the House and made valuable contri- pleased to state: butions thereto. He s.rved as Chairman of the Committee on Government Assurances (a) whether the Minerals and Metals during 1974-76. Trading Corporation (MMTC) proposes in- 3 Oral Answers MARCH 31,1989 Oral Answers ..

aeased import of non-ferrous metals dunng a fad that there is a feeling among the the current financial year: varIOus manufacturers and other that there is inordinate delay in reaching the metals at (b) if so, whether Government contem- various ports of the country? Is it aJso a fad plate to provide additional allocation to the that some of the companies and associa- MMTC in this regard; tIons are importing copper under OGL and after the same is arrived in India it is sold as (c) if so,the details thereof; rods and billets? 11 so, what action does Government propose to take against such (d) the countries from where the MMTC people? proposes to import non-ferrous metals; and SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI: Copper is not (e) the financial benefits to the MMTC to allowed to be imported under OGL. Copper accrue therefrom? is canalised through MMTC. But copper scrap is allowed under OGL. H any specific THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE complaint is given to us, we will certainly MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. examine the matter cr~ically again. DAS MUNSI): (a) No, Sir. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESWARI: (b) to (e). Do not arise. What aoout the complaints that the metal is not reaching the ports in time? SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESWARI: am not happy with the reply given by the hon. SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI: Hany specific Minister. However, I would like to put my cases are reported to us, certainly we will supplementary. I would like to know the take care of that. amount of foreign exchange sanctioned to MMTC for import of copper and also zinc for Narmada Project 1988-89. I also want to know whether ~ is also a fact that the Indian engineering indus- *432. SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH try. the Confederation of Engineering Indus- MALlKt: try and Indian Electrical and Electronics SHRI PARKASH CHANDRA: Manufacturers' Association have requested the Government to increase the foreign Will the Minister of WATER RE- exchange allocation in order to see that the SOURCES be pleased to state: MUTC gives allotment as per the demand. (a) whether the construction work on SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI: The foreign the Narmada Sagar Project is going on as exchange allocations for the adual ap- per schedule; proved projected target for the import of non- ferrous metals could not be made because (b) if so, the present stage of the con- of the critical balance of payment position. struction work of this project; Therefore, we had to reduce import. MMTC, in spite of infrastructural arrangements, (c) the expenditure incurred so far; and could not import for lack of scarce foreign exchange allocation programme. We have (d) the steps being taken for the early received representations from the industry. completion of the project? But the fact remains that in this critical year, in view of the balance of payment situation, [ Translation]

we could not do it. But at the same time, it did .II \ not adversely affect the exports. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES SHRIMATf BASAVARAJESWARI: Is it (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) to (d). The 5 CHAITRA 10,1911 (SAKA) 8

.. on the project has started since No- (English) vember, 1987 and an expenditure of about As. 74 crores has been incurred up to De- SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: cember. 1988. Narmada Valley Develop- Sir. I wanted to know in my first supplemen- ment Authority has been set.up by the State tary wr~ v:as the initial budget estimate for Government for timely execution of the proj- the construction of this dam. That part of the ect. question has not been replied to.

(English] [ Translation)

SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: Mr. Part (b) and (d) of my question has not Speaker, Sir, its estimated cost is approxi- properly been repUed. Further I want to know mately Rs. 2000 crores. from the hon. Minister whether the execution of work on this project is going on according MR. SPEAKER: Will you ask even the to the original time schedule; if not, what was third question? the initial budget estimate and how much increase in the budget ;s required due to dely [English] in the execution and what is the actual state of construction work at this time? SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH MALIK: Sir, the Narmada Valley Project is facing a lot [ Translation] of oppositIOn from scientists and environment experts and it is reported that some changes are taking place in the Narmada SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: Mr. Valley which may affed the whole project in Speaker, Sir, hon. Member has thrown sev- the lon91un. It is assessed that once the dam eral questions at a time. He has stated that is cons1ructed, the large amounts of water part (b) and (c) of the question have not been stored will further weaken the geological replied properly. In reply to part (b), I have structure at the origin of the rivei. So. I want stated that an expenditure of about Rs. 74 to knowfrom the hon. Minister whether there crores has been incurred up to December, is any proposal to use remote sensing satel- 1988. Besides this, he has also desired to hte to study the entire area to be affected by know about the steps being taken for the the ambitious Narmada Valley Development early completion of construction work of the Project. project. In reply to the above I have stated that Narmada Valley Development Authonty [ Translation] has been set up. In thiS connection, I would like to inform the han. Member that only a SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: Mr. preliminary work has been started so far. Speaker, Sir, some news Item has appeared Pre-construdion works Le. constructIOn of in the newspaper today. Perhaps, on the building, for high-schools and hospital ana basis of it, the han. Member wants to know construdion work of office-building, ap- about it but I would like •..J tell him that proach roads and railway sidings are in Narmada Central Authority has constituted progress. Preparatory work regarding the two sub-commlttees for environmental safe- exavation and the main dam is still in prog- guards. One of them IS primarily for environ- ress. Besides this, he has also desired to mental safeguards. In this regard, Madhya know about the time by which it will be Pradesh Government has also prepared completed. In this connection, I would like to plan for compensatory afforestatIOn. Ar- tell him that the whole project is likely to to be chaeological Survey of India is also conduct- completed by 2006 or 2007. H some other ing survey and Madhya Pradesh Govern- question has been left uncovered, I am pre- ment also in cooperation with Bombay Natu- pared to reply to it. ral History Society has initiated action in 7 MARCH 31,1989 8 regard to the flora of that area GeoIogicaf pendability. This is very important in view (j lUlVey of India hal also started the study of the fact that al the areas are being affacIad foaiII. Thus, from aft aspects. it is leading by frequent droughts. Secondty. I want to towaRIs the provision of environmental s. know what are the guidefines to be followed curity and for equitable distribution of water of an inter- State river, aiming at the elimination of social (English) economic and regional imbalances among the States? Remote sensing technique is being increasingly adopted to mon~or the re- [ Translation1 sources position and the Ministry of Water Resources is also adopting this technique. SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: Mr. Speaker, Sir, about the question raised bye Review of National Water Policy the hon. Member here, I would like to inform him that provision for all these points has ·435. SHRI M. V. CHAN- been made under the National Water Policy. DRASEKHARA MUR- He has spoken of the 50 percent dependabil- THYt: ity planning but what I bave to say in this SHRI V. SREENIVASA connection is that reply for the same has PRASAD: already been given in para 3 of the national policy. H I start reading it, it will take a lot of Will the Minister of WATER RE- time of the House. H the hen. Member so SOURCES be pleased to state: desires, I can give a copy of it to him. Reply to his second question has been given under (a) whether al the meeting of the Na- para 4(4). Reply to his third question has tional Water Resources Council held in been given in para 10.1. If the hon. Member Seplember. 1987. Government of Karna- wants it that way, I can give this book to him. taka had made several suggestions about the National Water Policy; [Eng/ish]

(b) if so, the details thereof; and SHAt M. V. CHANDRASEKHARA MURTHY: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I sought a (c) Government's reaction thereto? specific information from the hon. Minister. She has not replied to both of my questions. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE I wanted to know about prescribing-guide- MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES lines for providing irrigation and also about (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) to (c). the 50% dependability. Several suggestions mace by the members incfudi:"l\j UIe k;). I. ;,Jr ~.li~i MiOlster of Karna- THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- taka were discussed at the meeting of the TICE AND MINISTER OF WATER RE- Nat10nal Water Resources Council, and the SOURCES (SHAI B. SHANKARANAND): National Water Policy was unanimously Sir, this suggestion was made by some adopted. Members of the Council when the National Water Policy was discussed. The Karnataka SHRt M.V. CHANDRASEKHARA Chief Minister of course raised this issue MURTHY: Mr. Speaker, Sir, at least we are about the dependability of 50%. But the glad that the National Water Policy was Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh did not unanimously adopted. I want to know spa- agree to it. As per the decision of the Tribu- cificaUy from the hon. Minister what has the nal, they have taken 75% dependability Government decided regarding providing while giving the vital decision regarding irrigation facilities at fifty percent dependa- Krishna Water basin. Thereafter. the Tnbu- biIity. instead of seventy-five percent de- nal had also indicated in its final report that CHAIlRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Oral AnSW81S 10

after ..review by 2000 A.D.1hat water can these points have been discussed 1ft .. be ascertained on 50% dependability. Tho National Water Resources CouneH and..., , dependabity question was discussed in had already replied to it. On these pointa. detail, I remember, by the Members of the deliberations have been made in the N. Council who are the Chief Ministers. So, this tional Water Institute Council and these had was discussed in detaa and ultimately a been adopted by them unanimously. But the unanimous decision was taken on the water question now asked by the hen. Member policy and 50% dependability was adopted. does not pertain to the main question.

SHRI M. V. CHANDRASEKHARA [English) MURTHY: What about the equitable distribution of water to eliminate social, economic SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA and regional imbalances? RAO: I would like to point out, Sir, that in spite of the fad that the National Water SHRI B. SHANKARANAND: The distri- Policy was presented to the Parliament bution of water is on the basis of so many nearly two years back, still many people feet factors, like cultivable command area, the that the clearance for the project proposals is surface water, ground water, utilisation of moving at a snail's pace. I would like to know water and the population. These were the from the hon. Minister whether the Govern- issues raised by the Karnataka Chief Minis- ment will present a White Paper to the Par- ter. Whenever there is a dispute between the liament in regard to the clearance of several States regarding the sharing of water. these irrigation works pending before the Govern- issues have been taken into consideration ment. Because as soon as the Government by the Tribunals and all the Tribunals have clears those projects, the States or the decided regarding the sharing of water and Centre can take up those projects and bene- their decisions have been taken into consid- fits will go to the people. eration. Secondly, as my friend Mr. Chan- SHRI M.V. ~HANDRASEKHARA drasekhara Murthy asked, this transfer of MURTHY: Sir, as rightly pointed out by the water from one basin to another basin will. to hon. Minister to resolve Inter-State river some extent, provide equitable justice and water disputes, the Government constituted late Dr. K. L. Rao suggested a scheme to link several tribunals on several occasions. For .up Ganga and Cauvery. Technically it was example, the Bachawat Tribunal was set up found to be feasible. I would like to know to resolve on the sharing of Krishna water through you whether the Government has between the States of Karnataka. Aodhra got any intention to take up that project in the Pradesh and Maharashtra and this Tribunal near future. had given its award long back. But it has not yet been-implemented. In view of this fact, I [Translation] would like to know from the hon. Minister what adion the Government proposes to SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: Mr. take to implement the decision of the Bacha- Speaker. Sir, the seco-nd question asked by wat Tribunal. him is in no way related to this question. Earlier, he has stated that the projeds re- [ Translation] ceived from the States do not get the clearance from the Government of India. This SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: Mr. also does not have any concern with it. Even Speaker, Sir. the Supplementary question then, I would like to tell the han. Member that asked by the hon. Member is not related to whenever technical advice is sought by a the main question. But the points raised by State Government from the Government of the Karnataka Chief Minister regarding this India, these projects are returned by them question have been discussed here. All with some observations. Hence, all this j1 ,MARCH 31, 1989 12

depends upon the extent of expediency (a) the totaIexcisa duty lois to GoY.. shown by the State Government in their ment because of prolonged Iodlout in reply. Then the Government of India takes Sewree fadoly of Hindustan Lever W. in action aocordingtt .... (/ntBtnJlMions) Bombay.

DR. PRABHAT KUMAR MISHRA: (b) whether Government have given Hon. Speaker. Sir, we prepare bit projects permission 10 this multinational 10 get the based on loans from the Wortd Bank and products manutactured by giving contracts theN projects alWays have a share of the to other (X)mpanies; and State Government. But in fact, what happens is that we construct colonies for irriga- (c) if So. the excise duty recovered by tion projects at the cost of erares of rupees Government? and open up our offices there. Then this money gets blocked and remains unproduc- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tive for years together and no action is laken DEPARTMENT OF EXPENDITURE IN THE on tho&e projects. Similarly. on one such MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRt B.K. project in Apra in BiiaspUf district of Madhya GADHVI): (a) Rs. 40 crores approximately Pradesh and several other projects, erores during the current financial year. . of rupees have already been spent but no action has been taken on them till today. Are (b) No such permission is required lOme direction issued to the State Govern- under Central excise law. ments by the Central Government for taking further action on them. Thousands and (c) Does not arise. a-ores of rupees are spent up on such fruit- less projects. What action is taken in such DR. DATTA SAMANT: Sir, this is the cases? concrete examP'e of how the multinationals in this country a[e ruling and the Govern- SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: I would ment is working under their thumb without like to point out that ~ has no relevance with making any inquiries. this question ... (Interruptions) The question of the han. Member may be read out. He has Sir, coming to the point. in respect of mentioned that the Chiei Minister of Kama- Hindustan Lever Factory in Bombay. the taka had sent several suggestions in regard iock-out is for 10 months and daily there is a to the National Water Policy. That is the main loss of Rs. 15 lakhs of excise duty to the . point of the question. He has also desired to Government. The turnover of the Hindustan know about the guidelines to be issued to the Lever Factory went up by Rs. 88 crores in State GOvernments and if these have been that particular time i.e., from 1987 to 1988, issued to them. As regards. guidelines, we fro,n As. 934 crores to As. 1022 crores. The ~lways issue them because programmes p' )! , went up 10 Rs. 94 crores. cannot be implemented without guidelines. Irrigation is the State subject but Govern- Sir, the Un;tE:ver 1actar 'vhich started ment of India always issues guidelines. with Rs. 28 lakhs capital about 20 yeats {English] back, now its :tssets are Rs. 334 crores and Rs. 58 crores were transferred to Br~in as Lockout In Hindustsn Lever Sewr" royalty there. Per life Buoy in the Sewree Factory factory which costs As. 3/-, As. 3,08 p. is' our wage and for Rexana Rs. 3.09p. is the wage *436. DR. DAnA SAMANTt: bill. Sjr, you can imagine how very minimal, SHRI VIJOY .KUMAR YADAV: not even 5 percent wage is paid to these workmen and the wage b~\ is 6.4 percent and Will the Minister of FINANCE be the profit is 32 percent. Sir. going through aU p&e.sed to state:· these details, I know what the han. Minister . 13 CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) 14 is~ to tell I am coming to that point SHRI B.K. GADHVI: I am not aware what are those terms and conditions. But I MIt SPEAKER: He knows everything. would only say that we are also not hapw because we are losing revenue because 01 ( Intsrruptions) the lockout. Therefore, I would like that you also adopt pragmatic stance as you are are DR. DATTA SAMANT: Sir, the very heading that union. important point is .... DR. DATTA SAMANT: They want to MR. SPEAKER: I have assured the link total wage with productivity and give 3 np han. Minister that you know everything. as wage bill. That is their policy. You cannot adopt policy. You cannot do that. They have DR. DATTASAMANT: Sir. this multina- put nine conditions before they will have tional is telling us-l am the leader of 4000 talks. Otherwise not. workmen like this. He is telling us that before the Government lay down anything, "I want SHRI B.K. GADHVI: I do not know what to link total wage, deafness allowance, and terms and conditions they would put but I house rent with agreement and the wage would urge upon you to extract the maximum structure must be linked with prod uctivrty .• beneftt for the workers tor which we are The labour Commission stated that this is there. Our moral support is there. (Interrup- abslJrd and that they do not want this to be tions) done. They want to redeploy the workers as per to choice of the management because of SHRI. B.K. GADHVI: There is no ne- rationalisation and new machinery. The cessity of having a licence to get the manu- workers and the Mathai Board must give in facturing done by the contractors. Theat is writing to Government that they must act as the law. You kindly also see that the lockout per the management and that is why they IS tifted. Don't be very much offended in your have put this lockout. They have put nine stance. conditions. Government is losing Rs. 50 crores. Are you going to advice the Hindus- DR. DA ITA SAMANT: I am not satis- tan lever that they must correct themselves fied with the reply. This shows how the rules and see that such type of things do not of the multi-nationals are. I am coming to occur? second questIon. No such permission is required under the Central Excise law. SHRI B.K. GADHVI: We have got all Rexana Company is getting sub-contract fro sympathy with the workers and we do not the foreign company. There are other com- like that there shoMd be lockouts. If there is panies like the Ultra Manne Pigments and a cordial agreement between the manage- Products Ltd, Madras and the Kerala State ment and the workers, it would be a very Detergents and Chemical ltd .• Kuttipuram, ideal situation. T~ get the lockout lifted is Prokage Industry ltd, Pimpan, the Cyborb within the purview of the State Government. ltd, Bangalore and the Bombay SOaps, I have informed the State Government Rexana. There are eight companies. My labour Minister and he is holding many point is they are getting the same products meetings but he management and the work- from the contract outside. Here the question ers did not come to terms. arises that in spite of it, their turn over went up by Rs. 88 crores. Your Excise comes because of the lockout of this factory. The DR. DATTA SAMANT: The manage- turn over IS down by Rs. 30 crores. These ment is putting conditions for talks like total managements or subsidiaries from where wage linked with productivity, redeployment they are taking, they are getting more pro- etc. and that the Government has 10 give an duction done by sub-contract. These are the undertaking. list of various companies. This management 15 MARCH 31,1989 Oral Answers 16

must be cheating, getting products done by benef~ed and their union also continued to - IUb-contrads outside and not paying you function (Interruptions) the exci ... Is the Government aware of such thlnga? Is it making enquiries and, if they are MR. SPEAKER: Would you give reply? doing it, then why not you prosecute them and make detailed enquiries? (Inter ruptions)

SHRI B.K. GADHVI: As per our infor- SHRI B. K. GADHVI: I do not have any mation, even if the products which are being reply to this question. manufactured either by the contractors or by other units, excise wherever it is payable it is [English) being paid. SHRI KAMAL NATH: Sir, I do not know DR. DAnA SAMANT: What about what is the diversion that is taking place to MATP Companies? other un~s. Maybe there is some diversion and the Hindustan Lever may be getting SHRI B.K. GAOHVI: Anyhow, we would manufactured all these things by diversion. not like that anybody should evade Excise Maybe, there is evasion of excise duty. I do and, therefore, this suggestion we would not know the position. Bu1 one thing is defi- bear in mind and made a tight scrutiny. nitely happening for which I am grateful to Dr. Datta Sam ant. Due to the locIt-out of the [ Translation] factory which they have declared, they have shifted some part of their production to my SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR: The han. District. I would like to pose a question to the Minister has stated in his reply that the loss han. Minister. (Interruptions) By their ingen- of revenue to the Government is about 40 ious devices and py his skill he has been able crores of rupees because of the 'closure of to raise the salary of the workmen. That is a factory in Sewree about w"'ich Shri Datta good thing and we can also demand it in our Samant has also made his points. Out of the District. There is no problem. My question total loss of Rs. 40 erores, the Government arises out of the diversion of the production. of Maharashtra has sustained a loss of Rs. Production has been diverted because of 10 erore, whereas remaining loss amounting the lock-out of the Bombay factory. I would to Rs. 30 erores has been sustained by the like to know as to what is the increase in Central Government. Neither Shri Datta revenue collection of that production in Sarnant nor Hindustan lever Ltd. has suf- Chhindwara District. Will the Minister reply fered any loss. It is labourers who have been to my question? (Interruptions) suffering due to the strike prolonging for the last ten months. SHRI B.K. GADHVI: I cannot answer this question at present because I do not SHAI INDRAJIT GUPTA: h is not behave the facts now. • cause of strike but because of lock-out. [ Translation) SHR~VILAS MUTTEMWAR: I know it is due to lock-out. The Hindustan lever ltd. MR. SPEAKER: I can get your tangle claims that they pay the most handsome resolve. You go on producing in your unit wages to their employees. This leads to and also get the lock-out withdrawn in this resentment among the workers in other units factory. of Bombay. I would like to urge upon Shri Datta Sarnant to initiate action to hold talk SHRI KAMAL NATH: There is no fac- with the Finance Ministry to find out ways tory in my area. a factory maybe set up there. and means for early withdrawls of lock out in the fadory, so that the labourers could be SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR: Shri Datta 17 OraIAnsMH$ CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) OraJAnSMHS 18

Samant is behind the loss of As. 40 crores. (d) Besides increasing the strength of He may therefore, be requested. (interrup- Judicial Officers, recommendations passed Ibns) by the Conference of Chief Justices, Chief Ministers and Law Ministers of States held in [English1 1985 and the recommendations of 77th Report of the law Commission in this regard Pending eases In Lower Courts In Oelhl have been sent to Delhi High Court and Delhi Administration for implementation. Ten *437. DR. CHANDRA SHEJWIf1 TRI- family courts have also been sanctioned for PATHI: Will the Minister of LA ~D JUS· the Union Territory of Delhi under the Family TICE be pleased to state: Courts Act, 1984.

(a) the number of divorce cases, the (e) 1980. cases of grant of maintenance allowance to the spouse and to children in divorce cases DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI: pending in Delhi lower courts to date; The answer to the basic aspect of the question has not been found in the statement (b) year-wise break up of such cases in made by the hon. Minister. The reason is the year 1987 and 1988; best known to him. he has stated that the information is being collected and it would be (c) the reasons therefor; laid on the Table of the House. The purpose of putting the question is, therefore, de- (d) the steps• Government propose to feated. Nevertheless, I would like to know take to have these pending cases cleared; one thing from the hon. Minister. While reply- and ing to the question regarding the number of divorce cases, he has stated that all the (e) the oldest cases relates to which cases are increasing enormously in our year? country. But that is not supposed to be a healthy sign to our custom, culture, conven- THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- tions and all that. I would like to know TICE AND MINISTER OF WATER RE- whether the Government has conducted any SOURCES (SHRI B. SHANKARANAND): survey to find out the chief factors and basic (a) to (e). A statement is given below. causes which are responsible for the increase in the number of divorce cases in our STATEMENT country and if so the details thereof.

(' .. 'i! R. SHANKARANAND: We have (a) and (b). As 1-3-1989, 2596 divorce not done any survey for the increase in the cases were pending; of which 494 and 1269 nUlnber of divorce cases and the mainte- related to the years '1987 and 1988, respec- nance cases pending in a court of law. But tively. the fact is that with the advent of the Western onslaught of consumerism on the Indian The information relating to the number culture, the very Life-style is changing with of cases of grant of maintenance aHowance the developmental activities both in resped to the spouse and to children in divorce of education and urbanisation. These are cases pending in lower courts :n Delhi is the factors which have changed the very me: r being colleded and will be laid on the Table style of the people and mode of living and the of the House. att~ude to life.

(c) The pendency is due to several DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI: complex factors like increase in the number The number of cases in which maintenance of cases instituted from year to year. has not been granted or rather inordinate 19 Oral Ana"" MARCH 31. 1989 Ora/Answers 20

delay is taking place. that aspect has not regard to all the cases that are pending in the been covered. Nevertheless, in the second coutts. For that, I should say t tor the mainte- part. the the han. Minister has stated that nance cases, laws have been amended so certain recommendations which were made that cases are heard from day-to-day basis in 1985 in consultation with Chief Minister, and there are not many more adjournments' Chief Justices, law Ministers and also the sought to the disadvantage of the clients. For recommendations of the Law Comrnission that purp _:;e, the Special Marriage Ad., 1954 have been sent to Delhi High ColJrt and Delhi has been amended and the Hindu Marriage Administration for its quick implementation Act has also been amended and it has been so that number of divorce cases particularly suggested that the cases may be heard and with regard to the maintenance could be decided within six months and appeals disposed of quickly. May I know what were thereon, if any, may be aecided in three those recommendations and whether they months. are being implemented actually or not? What has been the effed of those recom- SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY: In regard to mendations and after implementation of divorce cases, the jurisdiction to decide a those recommendations whether the num- divorce case is with the subordinate courts ber of cases have gone down actually or not. and the district courts. The district munsifs do not have the jurisdiction to entertain di- SHRI B. SHANKARANAND: The rec- vorce cases. That is one of the reasons why ommendations for reduction of cases are on the divOfce cases have been pending for a account of various fa'1ors. It depends upon long time. There was a proposal by the the nature of cases, thel>arty, the clients, the Government of Andhra Pradesh to amend counsel and their way of approaching courts the Act so that district munsifs get the juris- for getting justice, etc. Various suggestions diction to decide even the divorce cases, as have been made for reduction of the cases. most of these villagers who seek divorce are We have writt~n to all the High Courts to in the lower rung and they can easily ap- follow these and implement he recommen- proach the munsif courts. That suggestion dations. Till then, there has not been any was made by the Government of Andhra considerable reduction in the cases. Pradesh long ,ago. Will the Government think of amending the Act so that the jurisdic- SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: The tion is conferred on the munsif magistrates to Minister has agreed that the foreign culture decide divorce cases? has influenced our country by which the divorce cases have increased in the country SHRIRSHANKARANAND: Nodou~, and courts have become pregnant with a this is a suggestion for action. But, at the bundle of cases and disposal is almost nil. same time, I wish to inform the House that The Government has been assuring, time the question mainly pertains to Delhi Courts. and again, inside the House and outside the House, that matter would be looked into. May I inform the House- that the Family laws have also been changed very fre- Courts Act has been enacted only to settle quently. But the implementation is nil. May I disputes concerning family affairs in a con- know from the hon. Minister, since he has ciliatory manner and it is binding,.on the been also influenced by the foreign culture States that they should establish family so far as consumption and all these things courts where there is a population of ten are concerned, what stepsIS he going to million. I can only suggest that the Andhra takl in the matter to reduce the cases in the Pradesh Government can make use of the courts of law? Family Courts Act and try to help the people who are litigating in the courts. SHAI B. SHANKARANAND: Sir, as far as the main question is concerned, this is RAO BIRENDRA SINGH: In Delhi the with regard to the maintenance and not with original jurisdiction for divorce cases is with " 21 Oral AnSW61S CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Oral Answers 22

the High Court itself. discussions .

. SHRI B. SHANKARANAND: In Delhi [ Translation] there have been ten famify courts sanctioned and the Delhi Administration is work- SHRI SHANTI LAl PATEL: Mr. ing on it Speaker, Sir, through you, I would like to know from the hon. Minister the points which Visit of UK Delegation were discussed w~h the visiting delegations of Britain and what was our point of discus· ·441. SHRI SHANTILAL PATELt: sicn. I would also like to know whether any SHRI S.B. SIDNAl: agreement was reached on the points dis· cussed or whether any action is proposed to Will the Minister of COMMERCE be betaken? pleased to state: [English] (a) whether British Secretary of State visited India during February, 1989; SHRI P.R. DAS MUNSI: We have already stated in au .. statement that a delega- (b) whether a British bUSiness delegation from UK led by thtm Secretary of State tion also visited India to explore the possibili- for Trade and Industry including the repre- ties of joint collaboration; sentatives of some of their bUSiness organisations VISited India in February 1989 to (c) if so, the details and outcome attend a regular meetmg which we hold thereof; periodically of Indo-British Economic committee. Ir. that meeting we discuss al- (d) the details of the agreement; ~ any, ways the basic things concerning the trade, reached between the two countnes; and as to how we can over come the trade deficit, which are the new areas we can enter into (e) the time by which it would be imple- the market apart from the quota items. to mented? persuade them so that they can plead our case to Increase our quota in the EEC coun- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tries, to review the jOint collaboration per- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. formance and to discuss the trade promotion DAS MUNSI): (a)to (e). A statement isglven programmes which have been started be- below. tween India and UK fight from 1983. The first TPP was over between 1983-86 and the STATEMENT second TPP has been recently started. We diSCUSS these things between ourselves. In A delegation from UK led by their Sec- general we discuss all the areas covering the retary of State for Trade and Industry, which trade between India and UK. included representatives of some of their business organisations, visited India in MR. SPEAKER: Question 442. Shri February, 1989 to attend a meeting of the George Joseph Mundackal is absent. Indo-British Economic Committee. Agreed Minutes were signed at the conclusion of the PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Sir, I have a meeting which, inter alia, covered coopera- submission. Question 442 is very important tion in the area of trade and trade promotion, because It concerns lakhs of farmers. So will multilateral issues and industrial coopera- you ...,Iease direct the Minister to answer this tion. Discussions in the Joint Committee question? It is very very important and you were essentially in the nature of consu~atlon are also interested in this Sir, between the two Governments and there is no time frame for implementation on these SHRI SURESH KURUP: There is a 23 MARCH 31,1989 DIal Answers 24

precedent also, Sir. in which 750 gold biscuits worth As. 1.96 crores approximately were seized from a car MR. SPEAKER: You put another ques- at Coimbatore the involvement of the Man- tion; I will allow it. Question 443. aging Director of Shipping Agent was n0- ticed. This person has been arrested and Involvement of Shipping Clearing also detained under the provisions of the Agent. In Smuggling Activities and Conservation of Foreign Exchange anQ. Excise Duty Evasion In Madras Prevention of Smuggling Activities Act, 1974. Prosecution proceedings have also -443. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Minis- been launched in the Court of law and deter of FINANCE be pleased to state: partmental adjudication is pending before the Collector of Customs, Madras. (a) whether shipping clearing agents are involved in smuggling activities and Action is taken under the Customs Ad, excise evasion in Madras; 1962 as well as the Customs House Agents Licensing Regulation, 1984 against the (b) if so, whether investigations have Customs House Agent and their employee been made in this regard; and who are found to be involved in smuggling activities and evasion of Customs duty. This (c) the details of the steps taken to action includes imposition of penalty in prevent involvement of clearing agents in a departmental proceedings, arrests and smuggling activities and excise evasion? prosecl,ftions in suitable cases and detention under 'the provisions of Conservation of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Foreign Exchange and Prevention of Smug- DEPARTMENT OF EXPENDITURE IN THE gling Activities Act, 1974, if considered nec- MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI B.K. essary. GAOHVI): (a) to (c). A statement is given below. SHRI N. DENNIS: In the statement only two cases of tax evasion are noticed in STATEMENT Madras; but there are several unnoticed cases of tax evasion and also smuggling. (a) Only two cases of the involvement of We are widely hearing about them in the a Customs House AgentslShipping Agent of newspapers and through other means. The Madras Customs House or his employee in part authorities are the custodians of the Customs duty evasion and in smuggling goods and the shipping agents are under the activities have been noticed in the recent direct control of the port authorities; they are past. not under the direct control of customs officials. In case they connive together there is (b) and (c). Both the cases were a wide scope for tax evasion and smuggling. investigated. In one case booked in January, In such a circumstance, may I know what 1986, a penalty of Rs. 5,000 was imposed on effective steps the Revenue officials would the Customs House Agent in departmental take to prevent s-muggling and tax evasion? adjudication. The Agent has preferred an appeal before the Customs, Central Excise SHRI B.K. GADHVI: I have answered and Gold Control Appe"ate Tribunal. This that two cases have come to our notice and appeal is pending decision. The licence of action is taken. As the Member says, there the Customs House Agent was also sus- are other cases which are unnoticed ones. pended. However, the Hon'ble High Court of But we don't have any notice of the unno- Madras has stayed the operation of this ticed cases. But so far as shipping agents order of suspension. are concerned, if they indulge in any smuggling activity or any activity by which they In the other case booked in June, 1986 want d) evade duty and want to do some- 2S Oral AnSW91S CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Oral AnSW9IS 26 thing which is "legal from the customs side, involved in such activities have been corner- certainly. we have power to take action. ing huge amount of Government money. Due to the wrong gradation made by house The hon. Member would be pleased to agents. shipping agents etc. the Govern- know that in one case we have suspended ment have been suffering heavy loss of the licence against which they have 0b- reV9Rue. I would like to know whether the tained the stay order from the High Court. hon. Minister would take stringent meas- We have imposed a penahy of Rs. 5000/·. In ures against the persons who file wrong another case, a man was found with contra- declarations, so as to plug the loss of Gov- band gold and was detained under FERA ernment revenue. and pros8Clrtion has been launched and all actions have been taken. [English]

SHRI N. DENNIS: The shipping agents SHRI B.K. GADHVI: I very much appre- manipulate facts by wrong classification and ciate the supplementary put by the learned gradation. Taxable items are classified as Member. I appreciate his concern, In this non-taxable items and mis-representation is case, the duty evasIon was to the tune of Rs. also made. May I know from the han. Minis· 2.20 lakhs. Prima facie we found that some ter what appropriate steps Government forged documents were placed along with would take agents such wrong classification the bill of entry. and gradation? I also feel that the penalty of Rs. 50001 SHRI B.K. GADHVI: If there is filing of - is too inadequate. Therefore, today morn- wrong of false documents or mis~eclaration ing itself I asked the Department to find out action is being taken. In the first case the bill whether a prosecution could be launched of entry was based on wrong document and, and if it is launchable then they will launch therefore, action was taken. We scrutinise the prosecution. and find out whether mis-declaration is there or proper documents have been filed or not. Expenditure in Government Depart- Hwe find proper documents have not been ments filed, then certainly they are liable to action. *446. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGA- [ Translation] LAM: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: GIRDHARllAL VYAS: Mr. Speaker, Sir, the penalty of Rs. 5 thousand imposed (a) whether there is a rush of expendi- on the person who produced wrong docu- ture during the last three months of the ments and became an accomplice in tax financial year in Government Departments; evasion and cancelation of his licence are very light punishments for a crime of such a (b) whether Government are aware that severe nature. To my view, the most this malpractice leads to unnecessary pur- stringest punishment should be awarded to chases, supply of substandard items and the persons found abetting in smuggling corruption; and activities and tax evasion worth crores of rupees. The light punishment awarded to (c) whether Government propose to such persons would not deter others, it streamline the system so that a balanc.:,d would. rather. give impetus to them to do expenditure pattern is spread throughout the such crimes. In this way, the Government entire financial year? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE would not be able to check this menace. A DEPARTMENT OF EXPENDITURE IN THE large number of cases of wrong gradation or MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI B.K. classification are being reported in our coun- GADHVI) : (a) to (c). A statement is given try and it should be looked ioto the people bek)w. 27 Oral Answers MARCH 31,1989 28

STATEMENT PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Thef. ts a ruHng like that (a) to (c). Government have issued instructions from time to time to avoid rush of MR. SPEAKER: I take note of it. expenditure during the last quarter of the financial year. For this purpose, the Finan- PROF. MADHU DANOAVATE: The cial Advisers have been asked 10 review Minister should take note of it. expenditure on month to month basis so that the expenditure is spread throughout the MR. SPEAKER: I will try to fIX that up. year and no rush of expenditure takes place during the end of the financial year to utilise SHRf P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: the budget provisions. The pace of expendi- There is no use of having rulings; there is no ture is relatively speaking, faster in the later use of having anything if questions are not part of the year largely because of the posi- going to be answered. Then, why put the tion that public sector undertakings draw on question? Government funds after utilising their internal resources, release of final instalment of MR. SPEAKER: Don't worry. This assistance to State Governments and au- question shall be answered. Nobody can tonomous bodies has necessarily to be on evade it. It shall be answered. the basis of statements of expenditure to be submitted by them. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: The most important point in this question is that at SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: Mr. the end of the year, there is a rush for Speaker. Sir, ne~her has part (a) nor part (b) expenditure and malpractices take place. It of the question been answered. In fact, part is a well known fact that just somehow or (c) has been answered in the usual manner. other the Budget allocations are finished and The hon. Minister has evaded the question. people take this money out. This is a very May I seek your protection and ask him firstly beneficial method of making a little undue to answer the question? income, maybe above the table or under the table. We cannot classify it. What is the MR. SPEAKER: My protection is there. attitude of this Government, specially to- Nt only I can request but I can order him to do wards this malpractice? Maybe the system it. they have built IS wrong. They have to review it every month. But on the other hand. the SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: So, answer reveals til at the Government seems I request the han. Minister to answer parts to co-operate in totality to see that the exploi- (a) and (b) and then I will ask my supplemen- tation of the system takes place. I wonder as tary. to what is the Minister's stand, spec~ically on the malpractices. I would like to know SHRI B.K. GADHVI: We have said: "(a), whether any analysis has been done as to (b) & (c). A statement is laid on the Table of what is the percentage at expenditure spent the House." during the last three months vis-a-vis in the earlier 9 months today is the last day of the financial year and also whether they have PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, investigated as to what are the purchases there has been a special ruling by the that have been done and whether there are Speaker that as· far as possible Ministers any malpractices existent or they have just should gi'Je separate answers to parts (a), let it be as there is. (b). (e). etc. whenever they are asked like that by the hen. Members. SHRI B.K. GADHVI: The expenditure is being incurred by the various Ministers and MR. SPEAKER: And we stick to that. they choose in what fashion and manner 29 Oral AnswetS CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Oral AnswelS 30 they should spend the money allocated to an inquiry into this expenditure and see for them. But from time to time, we impress yourself that the expenditure is properly upon our Financial Advisors that as far as done? After all, the Ministry of Expenditure is possble the rush of expenditure in the last supposed to ensure that expenditure is part of the year should be avoided and properly done. You are not supposed to say unnecessary spending in that way should be that it is not your work and that it is the work avoided. With regard to malpractices, if of the concerned Ministries. Otherwise, I there is anybody indulging in them and if it is think, the need for Ministry of Expend~ure brought to notice, the concerned Ministry Will will not exist. I say that an inquiry must be take action. But to say generally that be- done. I want to know whether the Minister is cause an this expendi1ure ,n the last three willing to do it. 'S he going to again adopt the months is entailing the malpractices is not a technique of giving advice only? correct proposition. But at the same time, as I have already stated, we are issuing instruc- SHRI B.K. GADHVI: I maintain that all tions from time to time to avert rush of the Ministries are competent; they are vig- expenditure. The han. Member has asked ilant about their financial matters and from forthe percentage. I would say that in the last time to time, we also give them advice. I three months of the year in 1985-86, it was cannot set up an enquiry for all the Minis- 41.26 percent, in 1986-87, it was 45.21 tries. That is not within my competence also. percent and in 1987-88, it was 45.86 percent. I can give him the amounts also but I SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: Sir, don't because he has asked only for the can I ask for half-an-hour discussion? It is a percentage of expenditure. serious matter, because forty five per cent of the allocation is used in the last three KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: Sir, months. we need half-an-hour discussion on this. It IS very important. KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: Kindly allow half-an-our discussion. SHRI B.K. GADHVI: But I agree that as for as possible the Nodal and Administrative PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: As Ministries should try to see that there IS no mentioned by the hon. Member, Shri rush of expenditure only during the last three Kumaramangalam, during the last three months of the year because there will be so months there is a lot of extravagant expendi- many check points and other points which ture, there is rush of expenditure and as a will be hurriedly gone through as proper result of that, the deficit financing is likely to scrutiny may not be there. increase. Instead of reducing the extravagant expenditure and bring down the deficit SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: It is financing, is it not a fact that you are following unfortunate that we seem to get satisfied a new practice of transferring the amounts with platitudes. That is not the idea of putting from the public funds like the All Coordina- questions. tion Committee's funds to the Revenue Account so as to reduce the deficit financ- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Be- ing? Therefore, will you give up the practice cause he is giving them latitude. as directed to you by the Speaker yesterday and in future take up the suggestion made by SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: Shri Kumaramangalam to have more ration- Yes, to a great extent. I may submit that the alised monitorization of the expenditure so question which I have asked reveals that, that you are able to contrpl your accounts when he says that 41 to 45 percent of the better? expenditure has been in the last three months, there is definite probability of mis- SHRI B.K. GADHVJ: I appreciate the use and malpractice. Will the Minister set up ingenious way of putting irrelevant query on 31 Wnnen Answsrs MARCH 31,1989 Written Answers 32

this question. It is no doWi his talent. But differentiate; there is a very thin line between rush of expenditure in the last three months the advisory role and restrictive role. When- or during the whole year has hardly any ever a proposal comes to the Ministry of relevance with the deficit financing. Deficit Finance, it certainly sautinizes iI from all financing is altogether something different. angles including financial angles and wher- A total amount is allocated for the whole ever ~ is possible, it is cleared. year. If it is not spent within five-six months, and it is spent during the last months, it does not add to the deficit per ss. In some cases, it also happens that purchases might have WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS been made earlier, but the payments are made during the last months of t~ year. That also happens. To say that the expenditure during last few months is with some Import of Tin Plate Seconds motive would not be correct. *433. SHRI Y.S. MAHAJAN : Will the PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: What Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to about the operative part of my question? Will state: you follow the Speaker's direction given day before yesterday? (a) whether Government are aware that huge quantity of tin plate seconds and waste KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: Cer- have been imported under open general tain Government officials and Ministers licence (OGl); always misuse Government money or their own purposes. May I know whether he wou Id issue instructions to the Central Govern- (b) if so, the details thereof and the ment and State Government ministers not to effect of such large quantity of import of tin misuse public funds for their own purposes. plate seconds and waste on the production of quality goods: SHRI B.K. GADHVI: I refuge that the Central Government Ministers are misusing (c) whether import of tin plate seconds the funds. So far as State Governments are and waste is permissible under OGL: and concerned, I do not have any information that the Ministers are misusing the funds. (d) if not, the reasons for such import and the steps taken or proposed to check KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: I can this practice? tell you many specific instances. (Interrup- lions) THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR: (SHRI DINESH SINGH) (a) to (d). While The Hon. Minister said that theirs is an import of tin plate seconds can be made advisory role with regard to other nodal under import licence, only tin plate ~aste can Ministries. But my complaint is that the role be imported under OGl. Import of tin plate is rather restrictive and it does not allow waste during 1986-87 and 1987-88 has other Ministries to function properly, and been approximately as under:- achieve their targets w~hin the stipulated period. With regard to the Department of 1986-87 (ant. MT) 1987-88 Posts and Telegraphs, they have not cleared the proposal to set up 3000 post offices, even though today)! is 31st March. 47,500 60,300 Th!s is the performance. As regards import of tin plate seconds, SHRI B.K. GADHVI: It is very difficult to data on such imports are not being compiled 33 CHAJTRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Ans..ws 34 sepII'IIIaIf as the same comes under the doIaI, Thai Bhat, Deutsh Mark, Pound ster- bIoad caIegoIy d mild steel defectives. ling, Kuwait Dinars. Saudi Riyals, Swedish Kronas and Danish Krones. No adverse ailed on the production of quaIly goods rasuling from import of tin (d) Action is taken as warranted under plaia aeconds and tin pIaIe waste has come the law. to Gcwamment's notice. [English] [TransIatiM) cases Against excise Official. Dealings In Foreign ~chang. *438. SHRI P.M. SAYEED : Will the *434. SHRI MADAN PANDEY: Wdl the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Minister mFINANCE be pleased to state: (a) the number of cases which have (a) whether legal dealings in foreign come to notice against excise officiaJs re- exchange are on the increase in various garding intim idatian with a view to extract parts of the country; money from industrialists and air passengers during the last 6 months in Delhi; (b) if so. whether persons engaged in such dealings have been recently arrested (b) the action taken by Government in in Delhi; this regard;

(c) if so, the amount of foreign currency (c) whether It is a fact that 3 Excise seized from the persons arrested with cur- Inspectors were arrested by Delhi Police in rency-wise break-up; and the first week of March, 1989 for tresspass and criminal intimidation, and (d) further action being taken in the medler? (d) if so, the details thereof and action taken by the Ministry in this connection? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) No. Sir. Informa- MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. tion available with the Government does not PANJA): (a) No case of excise officials in- suggest any increase in illegal dealings in timidating Industrialists or air passengers foreign ex~e in various parts of the with a view to extracting money has come to country. notice during the last six months in Delhi.

(b) During the year 1989 (upto 15 (b) Does not arise. March). 10 persons were arrested in Delhi for violation of FERA provisions. (c) and (d). Three Inspectors of the Collectorate of Central Excise. Delhi, were Cc) The total value of foreign currencies asked by the Police Station Dabri, on 6th seized during the yeal 1989 (upto 15th march, 1989 to report for questioning in March) in Dethi is Rs 1.331akhs. The foreign connection wnh their visn to the factory of MI currencies seized include: U.S. Dollar. s Ajay Auto Industries, Dabri, on 26th Febru- Honkong doIIai, Singapore dolar. Canadian ary, 1989. On arrival at the Police Station, 35 Written AnSwelS MARCH 31,1989 Written Answell 36 the said officers were arrested on alleged THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE charge. of criminal intimidation and tres- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRt P.R. pass, and were subsequently, released on DASMUNSI): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. Three bail on the same day. The matter is still under schemes are currently under implementa- investigation by Police authorities. tion; one by MIs. National Insurance Co., ltd., second by MIs. United India Insurance [ Trans/ation] Co., ltd., and third by MIs. Kerala State Insurance Department. These schemes Change In time of Varanasl·Delhl Train provide insurance against perils covered by at Falzabad fire, cyclone, flood ~tc. but excluding drought. So far insure - e cover has been ·439. SHAINIAMALKHATIAI:Willthe provided for an area of 5564 hectares ap- Minister of RAil WA YS be pleased to state: proximately under all the three Insurance Schemes. (a) whether the Ministry has received a memorandum to change the starting time of Import Price of Rubber 949 Up Varanasi Delhi train from Faizabad from 11. 00 P.M. to 9.00 P.M. in the public *442. SHRI GEORGE JOSEPH MUN- interest; and DACKAL: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: (b) if so, the decision taken thereon? (a) the price at which rubber is being THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE imported by Government and the prevailing MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- selling price thereof in domestic market; HABIR PRASAD): (a) No, Sir. (b) the import duty levied on rubber; (b) Does not arise. (c) whether the domestic price of rubber [Eng/ish] has remained steady between 1982 and 1989;

Insurance Scheme for Rubber Planta· (d) if so, the reasons therefor; tlon (e) the measures being taken to safeguard the interests of small farmers; and *440. SHRI VAKKOM PURUSHOTHA- MAN: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be (f) whether Government are aware of pleased to state: acute shortage of rubber expected during 2000 AD and if so, the details of proposals (a) whether an insurance scheme has contemplated in this regard? been introduced for providing insurance cover to rubber plantations in Kerala; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (b) if so, the details thereof with main DASMUNSJ): (a) and (b). The cost of im- features of the scheme; and ported rubber per tonne is (as in December, 1988) at the level of US $ 1108 and 1030 (c) the hectares of rubber plantations PMT C & F for RSS-III and SMA 20 grades insured so far under the scheme? respectively. Rubber has been released to 37 CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 38 the manufacturers by STC between (vi) scheme for promoting irrigation 1.1.1988 and 25.11.1988 at rates ranging in rubber plantations ; an<.: between Rs. 17000 to As 20,000 PUT. (Ex· godown Madras). (vii) community marketing and processing. The level of import duty for this rubber was at the rate of 25%. Promotions In Class I Cadres of Banks

(c) and (d). The pr-ices of natural rubber 8444. SHRI BANWARI LAL BAIRWA: are not only dependent on the cost of pro- Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to duction of rubber. the total d~mand and state: supply position but also on other factors such as total availability of indigenous rub- (a) whether all the nationalised banks ber at specific periods vis a vis demandl have been advised by Government to follow lifting by the industry during the period. The the policy of promotion based on selection prices of natural rubber (RMA -IV grade) has method for promotings within class I cadres ranged between Rs. 1440 to Rs 1813 per of banks; quintal during 1982-83 to 1988-89 (upto February, 1989). (b) if so, whether all the nationalised banks have accordingly formulated their (e) The Government's endeavour is to promotion poliycies); import only as much quantities of rubber as would just suffice to meet the demand supply (c) whether reservations for Se/ST in gap. Furtherwith the buffer stocking scheme banks is not applicable in the above method which the Go"ernment is operating since of promotions; and June, 1986 the interests of the small growers are adequately protected. (d) if so, the details thereof?

(f) For encouraging natural rubber culti- vation/production/ productivity the meas- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ures implemented by the Rubber Board al- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS ready include:- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (d)., Guide- (i) Rubber plantation development lines issued by the Government in terms of scheme; Officers' Service Regulations provide, inter- alia, that promotions from one scale or grade (ii) scheme for acceleration of de- to another shall be made on the basis of velopment in non-traditional merit with weightages, if any for seniority, areas; educational/Professional qualifications etc., as may be prescribed by the Board of Direc- (iii) establishment of nurseries and tors of the bank concerned from time to lime. distribution of planting materials: In making promotion by merit, most banks have adopted the "selection" method. As per the general directions of Government on (iv) supply of estate inputs to small reservation in services for scheduled castes holders on subSIdIsed rates; and scheduled tribes, no reservations are to be provide if the promotions are made by the (v) Advisory and training services; selection method. 39 Written AnSWBIS MARCH 31,1989 40

Raid. on the Pr.mlM. of Indian (a) whether Government .econsider- Expr••• Group ing to appoint educated unemployed as lui- *445. SHRf H.N. NANJE GOWDA: time insurance agents; and SHRI BANWARI LAL PURO- HIT: (b) if so, the time by which a final deci- Will the Minister of FINANCE be sion will be taken in the matter pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the Income Tax Depart- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS ment conduded country wide raids at the IN TI-tE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI premises of thtrindian Express group during EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) and (b) While March 1989; there is no such proposal under the c0nsid- eration of Government, the Life Insurance (b) if so, the details of the incriminating Corporation of India has a scheme called documents seized during the raids; "Career Agents Scheme- for recruiting agents who want to make insurance as their (c) further steps contemplated by Gov- career. lIC grants agency to a person for the ernment against the Indian Express group? purpose of procuring life insurance business THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE for the Corporation if he has completed 18 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE years of age and has passed matriculation MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. examination or any equivalent examination PANJA): (a) During March 1989, the In- thereto for appointment in a town or a city eome-Tax Department conducted searches with a population of one lakh and above or at the office premises of two companies of who has passed at least 8th standard in case the Indian Express Group in Bombny. Also, of appointment to any other place. The searches were simultaneously carried out at Career agents have to pass test and after

Delhi and Calcutta at the premises of certain interv iew I they are selected for special train- persons, reportedly having business links Ing . Under the Career agents Scheme, with the Indian Express Group. agents are given monthly stipend so as to provide some support initially. After the sti- (b) Incriminating documents seized pendary period, the Career Agents get only during the searches, prima facie, Indicate commission in respect of life insurance substantial tax evasion. Disclosure of the business procured by them, like other details of these documents will not be in the agents. interest of the continuing investigations. [English] (c) Appropriate action as called for under the Direct Taxes enactments. is tuken Bank Credit Outstanding Against Sick in such cases. Units

( Translation} *448. SHRI H.A. DORA: Will the Minis- ter of FINANCE be pledsed to state: Appointment of Educated Unemployed as Full·Time Insurance Agents (a) the reasons for outstanding bank credit locked in sick units going up; and *447. SHRI KAr.~l A PRASAD RAWAT: W,ll the Minister ot ~ IN,\NCE bf'? pleased to (b) the corrective steps taken or con· state: temptated in this regard? 41 Writen AnSW9tS CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE garments, finished leather, engineering DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS goods, gold jewellery, marine products. tea. IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI spices, carpets, etc. Continuous efforts are EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). The being made to increase exports through Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has reported trade promotion measures, exchange of that the outstandings of banks in sick units trade delegations, buyers-seller meets, par- have in main gone up due to extension of ticipation in trade fairs, publicity, etc. assistance by way of holding on operation till the rehabilitation package is prepared. Fur- (c) and (d). In the Indo-British Economic ther under rehabilitation packages also, Committee meeting held in February, 1989 banks are expected to give additional workin New Delhi, possibilities of expanding and ing capital facilities. diversifying the trade between the two countries was discussed. It was agreed that both RBI has already enjoined on banks to sides will make efforts to expand trade levels undertake viability studies/nursing pro- so as to correct the imbalance in bilateral gramme of 551 Sick industrial units in a time trade. bound manner, Board for Industrial and Financial Reconstruction set up under the Meeting of Bankers and Small Scale Sick Industrial Companies (Special Provi- Units sions) Ad 1985 too, has been appreciably taking action in respect of Non-SSI units. '450. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: Exports to UK SHRI NARAIN CHOUBEY:

*449. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: Will the Minister of FINANCE be Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased pleased to state: to state: (a) whether the Reserve Bank of India (a) the items presently being exported has proposed to convene a meeting of bank- to the United Kingdom (UK). ers and small scale units in orderto ascertain the causes and extent of sickness and draw (b) whether steps are being taken by up remedial measures; and Government to increase the export of those items to the UK; (b) if so, the details thereof and the action taken in this direction? (c) whether the matter was discussed in the last Indo-British Economic Committee THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE meeting; and DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (d) if so, the response of the Govern- EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Reserve ment of the UK thereto? bank of India (RBI) had held a meeting on 28th January, 1989 in Bombay to discuss the problems connected With the credit needs of THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE small scale industrial units including sick (SHRI DINESH SINGH): (a) and (b). The units. Based on such discussions and other main items being exported to UK from India feed back received by RBI, sUitable guide- include textiles, garments, cashew nuts, oil lines are issued to the banks from time to cakes, jute products, leather products and time. Written Answers MARCH 31, 1989 Written AnSW81S

~_paanlnv.sbn8ntBank sites on rivers coming from Nepal to India was revirwed. 4149. SHRI P. PENCHALlIAH : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state the Earning from the Sale of Contraband gt:)neral features of European Investment Textiles Bank for financing Indian developmental project? 4151. SHRI A.M. SHOYE : Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS (a) the quantum of money earned IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI through the sales of contraband textiles EDUARDO FALEIRO): The European In- during the last three years; vestment Bank (EIB) was set up at the time of formation of the European Economic (b) the estimated percentage of seized Community (EEe) in 1958 under the Treaty contraband textiles per annum; of Rome for the purpose of granting long term loans and lor furnish guarantee to en- (c) the difference in price in the contra- terprises, public authorities and financial band textiles and local product; institutions for developmental projects of common interest to several member states (d) whether local textiles are costly or the EEC as a whole. Non member coun- because of high excise duty on raw materials tries are occasionally given access to the used in the manufacture of finished goods; funds on special authorisation by EIS's and Board of Governors. Authorisations are decided on a case by case basis for projects (e) the figures of excise component in of particular importance for the Community. the total cost of polyester saree worth Rs. No project in India has so been financed by 200? the EIS. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Indo -Nepal Talk on Water Management DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. 4150. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: Will PANJA): (a) The value of confiscated tex- the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be tiles disposed of during the last three years pleased to state: is given below:-

(a) whether talks were held with Nepal Year Value (Rs. in lakhs) to ensure better water management of the river waters emanating from Nepal to India; 1986 1536.33 and 1987 1273.90 (b) if so, the outcome of the talks held recently? 1988 1718.56 (Provisional) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES (b) Since smuggling is a clandestine (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) and (b). activity, it is not feasible to estimate the Talks were last held in December. 1988, quantity of textiles being smuggled into the when position regarding flood forecasting country and therefore it is also not possible 45 Written Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnSwelS 46

10 estimate the percentage of smuggled MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI textiles that have been seized per annum. MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) No, Sir.

(c) to (e). Through Indian manufactured (b) Does not arise synthetic textiles compare favourable in quality, print and texture with illlfJOrted ones. (c) No specific transportation require- the price is an adverse factor against the ment necessitating provision of the sug- Indian prodUd. The higher price of synthetic gested Railway line has come to notice. fabrics in India are due to various factors such as: lack of economies of scale, higher [English] energy cost etc. The excise duty levied on polyester fabrics depends on a veriety of Export and Import of Consumer Good. factors like: composition of the fabric. value of fabric per sq metre, weight of the fabric per 4153. SHRI PARAS RAM BHARD- sq. metre and the width of the fabric. It is. WAJ: therefore, not possible to give the exact SHRI DAL CHANDER JAIN: excise duty component in respect of a polyester saree worth Rs 200/- in the absence of Will the Minister of COMMERCE be information about the above parameters. pleased to state:

The Government has now permitted (a) the details of consumer goods, setting up of new factories and the expan- along with their value, exported to different sion of existing capacity for the manufacture countries during 19S6-87 and 1987-88; and of polyster fibre and polyester yarn to enable the manufacturers to achieve economies of (b) the details of the consumer goods scale. This would reduce the cost of the imported during the same period? indigenous synthetic textiles and thereby reduce the incentive to their smuggling. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. [ Trans/ation] DASMUNSI): (a) and (b). The category of consumer goods is not separately specified Railway Line from Sujangarh to Pilani under the Indian Trade Classification (based (Rajasthan) on Harmonized Commodity Description and Coding System) and as such. data on trade 4152. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: under this classification is not generated. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: Corporate Tax on Public Sector Under- takings (a) whether a proposal of laying a new rail line from Sujangarh to Pilani via Salasar, Laxmangar, Birlara. Mandaya and Chorala 4154. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA- is under consideration of the Ministry; CHANDRAN: Will the Ministerof FINANCE be pleased to state: (b) ~ so, the broad details thereof; and (a) whether representations have been (c) it not, the reasons therefor? received by Government regarding levy of corporate tax on Public Sector Undertak- THE M)NISTER OF STATE OF THE ings; 47 MARCH 31.1989 48

Cb) if 10. 1he details of the requesls RAILWAYS be pleased to state: made in this regard; and (a) the average quantity of diesel oil, (c) Goverrment's decision thereon? light diesel oiIIcrude oil and kerosene oil transported every day through Railways THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TIiE from KandJa to Delhi and from Baroda to flEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE Delhi; and MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K PANJA): (a) to (c). Corporate tax is already (b) the per day average of solid cargo being lwied on Public Sector corporations! movement on the following routes; (i) Companies. A large number of representa- Kandla to Delhi, (ii) Baroda to Delhi, (iii) Delhi tions were received for lowering of corporate to Kanda and (IV) Delhi to Baroda? tax in general but not specifically in rasped of Public Sector Undertakings. This suggestion was examined and not found to be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE acceptable. MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAOSCINDIA): (a) Average daily TrenaportaUon of Petroleum Products figures. for the three month period Decem- ber 1988 to February 1989. indicating the 4155. SHRIMATI PATEL RAMABEN quantity of the petroleum products moved by RAWIBHAI MAVANI: Will the Minister of rail are furnished below:-

(all figures in lonnes)

Diesel oil light diesel Crude oil Kerosene oil (HSD) (LDO) (SKO)

Kandla to Delhi 495 70 Nil 155

Baroda to Delhi 78 10 NIL 160

(b) The daily average number of goods ent broad Gauge sections of the four routes, trains. carrying solid cargo, run on the differ- taken for a month, are furnished below:

Routes: Kandla to Delhi and Delhi to Kandla

Sections Kandla to Delhi Delhi to KandJa

1 2 3

Kandla-Viramgam 2.3 1.2

Viramgam - Ahmedabad 5.6 3.2

Ahmedabad-Godhra 5.5 4.0

Godhra-Ratlam 7.1 17.5 • ..,." Ans.-s CtWTRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) WdfIwt Answ.s 50

1 2 3

RatIam-Kola 8.6 7.3

~~ 9.0 7.1

Gangapur City- TughIakabad (Delli) 7.0 7.0

Routes: 8aJOda to DeIti and DeIJi to 8atoda

Baroda to Delhi Delhi to Baroda

Baroda-Godhra 2.5 3.7

Godhra-Ratlarn 7.1 17.5

RatIam-Kota 8.6 7.3

Kota-Gangapur City 9.0 7.1

Gangapur City Tughlakabad (Delhi) 7.0 7.0

Opening 01 Bank Branch In Udhampur Kashmir; and and Doda Districts in Jammu and Kashmir (c) if so. the details thereof and the action proposed to be taken by Government 4156. SHRI UOHO. AYUB KHAN in this regard? (Udhampur ) WiD the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Ca) whether despite Government an- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI nouncement of extending branches and the EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Reserve Bank d oft.r of the united commercial bank to open India (RBI) has reported that the centres a branch in Uaqa Bamhag of district Udham- Patwar Halgas Sahri, Sujandhar, Sersun- pur, there is no ~ branch in large hilly duan (Block Riasi)) Lali, Ladda (Block area spread over three hundred square Udhampur) and Dhanour (b&ock GooI) in miles comprising Patwar halgas Sahri, District Udhampur have not been identified Sujandhar, Sersuttdhuan TehsillaJ~ ladda by the Lead Bank Group/State Government Tehsll Udhampur and Dhanour T ehsil Gool for opening branches under the current Gulabgarh in district Udhampur; Branch licensing Policy for 1985-90. The Block Gool is considered def~ block in (b) whether there is demand for open- banking average on population norms while ing bank branches at Bagdar (Sahri) T ehsaJ block Rlasi is considered surplUt ~ Riasi of distrid Udhampur and Chandarkote block. RBI has further reported that it hils not T ehsil Rambon district Doda in Jammu and received application from UCO Bank for 51 MARCH 31,1989 W,itt~n AnswSIS 52

opening branch at any of these centres. the basis of Rupee-SDR parity rate on that date. Additional rupees required to be paid to (b) RBI has reported that centres IMF for this purpose are kept with RBI in the 8agdar (Sahri) Tehsil Rias; and Chandra form of non-negotiable and non-interest Kate Tehsil Ramban have not been included bearing securities which does not involve in the list of identified centres received from any cash outgo. the Lead Bank Group !State Government for the District Dada in Jammu and Kashmir. The amount paid to the JMF account RBI has also not received any request from with Reserve Bank of India during 1987-88 banks for opening bank branches at these and 1988-89 on account of maintenance of centres. value are as follows:

(c) RBI has reported that with a view to Year (Rs. in crores) provide bank branches in deficient pocket and also tOf imp\amentation 01 SeNice ~fea 1987 -88 1029.33 "Ppfoach, \\ has dQc\ded \0 ob\a\1"\ combined list 01 additional centres from lead banks. 1!J88-89 774.74

Value of Rupee Vis-A-Vis SDR The exchange rate of the rupee is fixed with reference to the value of a basket of 4157. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN- currencies, mainly of countries which are DAL: India's major trading partners. The ex- SHRI SRIKANTHA DAnA change rates between rupee and other cur- NARASIMHARAJA rencies move upward or downward depend- WADIYAR: ing upon the fluctuations in the value of these currencies. In a regime of floating exchange Will the Minister of FINANCE be rates, such frequent variations in exchange pleased to state: are not unusual.

(a) the impact of the depreciation of the Export of Tobacco Indian Rupee with respect to the SpeCIal Drawing Rights (S.D.R) of the International 4158. SHRI ATISH CHANDRA SINHA: Monetary Fundduring 1987-88 and 1988-89 Will the Ministerof COMMERCE be pleased and how much did it cost the country to to state: maintain the value of its rupee holdings under the SDR provisions; and (a) whether Government have put up a ceiling on the export of tobacco from the (b) how do Government propose to country for next year; meet this depreciation? (b) if so, the details thereof; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (c) the countries importing Indian to- EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). In accor- bacco during the last three years; and dance with the Articles of Agreement of IMF the value of Indian Rupee held by IMF is required to be maintained in terms of SDRs (d) the foreign exchange earned there- and is revalued every year on 30th April on from during the last three years? 53 Wrinen Answers CHAITRA 10,1911 (SAKA) Writtsn AnsW81S 54

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE levy 01 tax on the sale or purchase of goods MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. in the course of export out of or import into DASMUNSI): (a) No, Sir. the territory of India. Section 5 (1) of the Central Sales Tax Act, 1956 provides for (b) Does not arise. non-liability to tax on the sales in the courso of export and SectionS (3) provides for non- (c) The countries to which India tobacco liability to tax in respect of sales or pur- is mainly exported are United Kingdom, chases at any goods preceding eXJX)rt oi USSR, German Democratic Republic Fed- these goods subject to the conditions laid eral Republic 01 Germany, France, Nether- down under Section 5 (3) ot the Act. Trans- lands, People's Democratic Republic of an actions falling under either of the above Yemen, Saudi Arabia, China, Egypt, Algeria provisions would not attract Central Sales and Somalia. Tax. Exports from Daman and Diu wou\d, thereiore, not attract Central Sales 'Tax. (d) The value of exports of unmanufac- tuered tobacco during the last three years is (b) and (c). Do not arise in view of (a) given below:- above.

Year As in Crores 4160. SHAI JAGANNATH PA TTNAI K: Will the Minister of FINANCE be 1985-86 139.98 pleased to state:

1986-87 144.87 (a) whether many banks are passing off damaged and torn currency notes to 1987-88 96.98 unwary public;

Sales tax on Drugs (b) whether most of the banks are refusing to accept such currency notes; and 4159. SHRI MANVENDRA SINGH: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (c) if so, whether Government propose state: to ensure that soiled and torn currency notes are withdrawn from circulation? (a) whether drugs and mediCines manufactured in other States and exported THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE from Daman and Diu do not attract any DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Central Sales Tax; IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Reserve Bank of (b) ~ so, the revenue loss to Union India (RBI) have reported that banks are not Government on this account; and passing off damaged & torn currency notes to public. In fact, RBI have issued instruc- (c) the reaction of Government tions to banks to sort out notes into reissu- thereon? abies and non-issuables and to issue only re-issuable notes to the members of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE public. DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY Of FINANCE (SHRI A.K. (b) All the branches of public sector PANJA): (a) Under the Constitution, no banks have been advised by RBI to accept State or Union territory can make any law for soiled and slightly mutilated notes. In addi- 55 MARCH 31.1989 58

1ion, .. 1he curancy dIest branches of (b) the exact exted oIlhe IiabiIty 01 public...... have lull powers to foreign companies to make rematanca to ___... caIagories 01 mutiated noI8S India to meet the expenses on the present underRSl (Nata Refund) Rules. Any specific and future liaison offices; and conlplainl about non-accaptanoe 01 soiIadI .... l1li a18 d noI8S. whenever received. is (c) the exact nature 01 the conditions taken up with the concerned bar* for reme- relating to the number of employees and dial action by RBI and Govemmenl their nallOllalily. if any?

(c) Soiled and tom notes 001. for fur- THE MINISTER OF STATE If ntE ther circulation accumulated aI the cwrency DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFMIS chests of public sedor banks are periodi- IN THE UINlSmV OF FINANCE (SHRI cally brought to the 15 issue Offices and 2 EDUARDO FAlEIAO): (a) The names 01 Sub-Offices of RBI tor examination. Alter foreign companies which have Iiaisonh'epre- observing the prooess of examination & sentativelprojed offICeS in India as on 31st veri"ecation. non-issuable notes are de- December. 1988 are give in the Statement stroyed. below

liaison Offtcea In India of foreign (b) The liaison representative offices Countries have to meet all their expenses in India out of inward remittances received from thei' 4161. SHRI SYEO SHAHABUOOIN: head offices. The establishment expenses Wit the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to depend upon the size of the office and v0l- rat. to the reply give on 3 March. 1989 10 ume of work. Therefore the exad foreign Unstarred Question No. 1348 regarding exchange liability of such offICeS in India setting up of branches in India by foreign cannot be estimated. companies and stale; (c) No condition is stipulated by RBI on (b) the names 01 foreign companies the number 01 employees in these offices which have iaison offices in India at present; and their nationality. 57 Wnfta, Answar.s CHAITRA 1~ 19tt (SAKA) Wrtten Answets 58

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Delinklng Associated Banks of State February, 1987 to Unstarred Question No. Bank of India 250 regarding licences for opening of bank branches in Himachal Pradesh and State; 4162. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (a) the nam9S of such centres among state: them, where the branches have since been opened alongwith the names of the banks (a) whether the State Bank of India has concerned and the dates of opening of the become rather unwieldy; branches:

(b) if so, whether there is a proposal to (b) the reasons for delay in opening delink the associated banks to form a sepa- the branches at the remaining centres and rate corporate entity; and whether ~ would be ensured that the branches would be opened before any fresh (c) if so, whether it will give a boost to identification is initiated; and. the development of associated banks as well ~s the areas of their operation? (c) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MIN ISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) The organisa- EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). As per the tional structure of State Bank of India has information available with Reserve Bank of been developed keeping in view its size and India (RBI) district-wise names of centres' operations. where branches have been opened alongwith names of banks and date of opening the (b) No, Sir. branches are set out in the statement below. RBI had earlier advised the banks to open (c) Does not arise. branches in a phased manner during the remaining period of branch expansion of Opening of Bank Branches in Himachal policy. However, in the context of Service Pradesh Area Approach to rural lending RBI has advised the banks to open the branches at 4163. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- the allotted centres by the end of March. ASHAR: Will the Minister of FINANCE be 1989, except in rare cases where minimum pleased to refer to the reply given on 25 infrastructure facilities are not available. STATEMENT Districtwise names of centres where branches have been opened a long with name of bank and date of opening the branch Name of District! Date of opening Name of Bank Name of centre the branch 1 2 3 BILASPUR DISTRICT

Behal 29.6.88 UCO Bank

Chhakoh 29.12.87 Punjab National Bank 133 WriU8(J AnsWEHS CHAITRA 10,1911 (SAKA) ~V';tten Answers 134

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Oagrahn (Jaket Khana) 12.12.87 State Bank of Patiala

Oalthula (Mehri Kallhala) 7.B.87 Punjab National Bank

Ghandi 29.9.88 UCO Bank

Auhar 2.4.88 State Bank of India

CHAMBA DISTRICT

Male 14.12.87 Parvatiya Gramin Bank

Saikolhi (Saikothi) 8.12.87

Gorala 7.9.87

Labal 7.9.87

Dieur 10.12.87

Jadera 2.7.87

Chaned 21.5.87

Dharbala 24.7.87

Durghatti 2.5.87

Sach 15.'12.87

Hatli 20.11.87

Hobar 19.11.87

Baghdhar 22.687

Talka 5.5.87

Sahoo 30.12.86

Rajnagar 30.12.87

Mangla 30.12.87

Khairi 10.1287 Stdle Bank of India 135 Written Answers MARCH 31, 1989 WrJ~t8n Answers 136

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HAMIRPUR DIS IT.

Tal 7.8.87 Punjab National Bank

Chakmoh 5.12.87 State Bank of India

Dhangota 18.12.87 UCO Bank

KANGRA DISTRICT

Sansarpur 30.12.87 Punjab National Bank

Majhin 28.5.87 Himachal Gramin Bank

Srimolog 13.8.87 Himachal Gramin Bank

Bankhandi 28.3.87 Punjab National Bank

Sunhi 26.3.87

Darini 28.4.87

Rajhoon 5.8.87

Chamund 20.6.87 Central Bank of India

Bharoli 8.5.87 Himachal Gramin Bank

KINNARU DISTRICT

Karcham 9.4.87 Punjab National Ban~

KULU DISTRICT

Sarsari 16.7.87 Himachal Gramin Bank

Dohranal 12.10.87

Luhri 12.11.88

Kalath 30.12.87 UCO Bank

MANDl DISTRICT

Jamni 18.7.87 Himachal Gramin Bank .137 WttIM AIaNwIs CHArTRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) WriUen AnswelS ,.

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Dalwan 25.5.87

Leda 17.7.87

Karhok 14.8.87

Ghatarani 19.9.88 State Bank of India

Maihwar 20.5.87 Punjab National Bank

JaroI 25.6.87

SHIMLA DIS TRIer

Koti 29.888 Punjab National Bank

BaIg 23.12.88

Mauhri 26.12.87

Ma,dhauni 23.12.87

Banoti 17.12.87

Nirth 22.12.87

Kutara 9.10.87 State Bank of India

Pujarli 28.12.87 State Bank of Patiala

Oayori Khanati 30.12.88 State Bank of Patiala

SIRMUR DISTRICT

Kehri 29.2.88 State Bank of India

Oidagkhanotyon 30.9.88 State Bank of India

Bhagani 1.12.87 State Bank of Patiala

Parara 20.12.88 Punjab National Bank

Benathi 21.11.88 Punjab National Bank ,. Wrnt.n Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written AnsweIs 140

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SOLAN DISTRICT

Nund 24.12.87 Punjab National Bank

Dabhots 24.3.87 Punjab National Bank

KoCbeja 6.11.88 Punjab National Bank.

DIvidend Remittance by Hlndustan chinery and equipment, being exported Lever Limited during the last three years and current financial year; and 4164. SHRI VLJOY KUMAR YADAV: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (d) tHe foreign exchange earned there- Itate the dividend remittance in foreign cur- from? rency to Unilever PLC during the years 1986, 1987 and 1988 by Hindustan Lever Limited? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI PRo THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DASMUNSJ): (a) and (b). The Piparwar inte- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS grated mine-cum-benefication project for IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI annual production of 5.52 million tonnes of eDUARDO FALEIRO): Information is being beneficated coal is proposed to be devel- collected and will be laid on the Table of the oped with turnkey implementation by MIs. House. White Industries Ltd., of Australia. Govern- ment of Australia has also offered to finance Trade with Australia import costs by a soft credit at Zero percent interest to be repaid in 10 years after a grace 4165. SHRI H.B.PATIL: Will the Minis- period of 4 years. tef of COMMERCE be pleased to state: (c) The major items of engineering (a) whether Government are aware that products being exported from India to Aus- Au~tralian expertise in mining can be critical tralia are hand/machine tools, household in expanding deep mining in India and rais- equipment of base metal, general, industrial ing the field of coking coal mining as per machinery and equipment (including study uhdertaken by the Federation of In- pumps) commercial vehicles, auto parts, dian Chambers of Commerce and Industry' hard-ware, chains, cutting tools, compres- titled "Export and Joint Venture with Austra- sors and par:s, 91ectric power machinery. lia;" diesel engines and parts, cranes and hoists, batteries, lamps, starters, transformers. (b) ~ so, the reaction of Government coils and chokes etc. thereto; (d) Exports of engineering goods to (c) the details items, particularly engi- Australia from 1985-86 onwards are as fol- neering products, general industries ma- lows:- 141 CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Wrhten AnswetS 142

(Value in As. provide refinance facilities to eligible banks! crores) institutions for housing loans upto As. 50,OOO/disbursed from 1st January, 1989 Year Value onwards for acquisition/construction of new housing units not exceeding 40 square 1985-86 8.75 meters of buift up area and upto Rs. 30,0001 - for upgradationlrepalrs of old housing 1986-87 16.00 units.

1987-88 15.00 [English]

1988-89 11.00 Regional Rural Banks (Apr~ Sept). 4167. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will (Source: Engineering Export Promotion the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Council) (a) the number of Regional rural Banks [Translation] set up during the last three years, 5tate- wise; National Housing Bank (b) whether the performance of these 4166. DR. A.K. PATEL: Will the Minister banks have benefited the poor and small of FINANCE be pleased to state: farmers;

(a) the number of branches of National (c) the extent to which these banks have Housing Bank set up to encourage housing benefited the poor and, small formers; in the country and the names of the States where Housing Finance Corporations have (d) whether any directions have been been set up ; and issued by Union Government about the functioning of these banks; and (b) the amount spent so far by the Na- tional Housing Bank and Housing Finance (e) if so, the details thereof? Corporations on housing.? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) NABARD has EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). The reported that dUring the three years period National Housing Bank (NHB) has been ending December, 1988, eight Regional established with its Head Office at New Delhi Rural Banks were established, two each in and has opened one branch office at Bom- the States of Andhra Pradesh and Punjab bay. The Reserve Bankof India has reported and one each in the State of Madhya that similar information in respect of housing Pradesh, Maharashtra, Uttar Pradesh & finance corporations of States is not col- Tamil Nadu. lected by them. (b) and (c). NABARD has reported that The National Housing Bank will not lend the Regional Rural Banks have been meet- directly to individual beneficiaries but would ing the credit requirements of weaker sec- 143 Written AnsW91S MARCH 31,1989

lions of society and have by and large'been Exchange Regulation Act; able to fuHiII the mandate given to them. (b) the number of cases in which legal (d) and (e). While no separate guide- action has been taken 'under 'FERA; lineslinstructions have been issued to the new RRBs, they have also to observe the (c) the number of cases in which punish- same guidelines as are applicable to all ment has been awarded to the persons other RRBs. found guilty under FERA; and

LTrsns/ation] (d) whether Government propose 10 amend fERA? FERA violation

4168. SHRI DAl CHANDER JAIN: Will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (a) the total number of cases registered EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) to (c). The requi- in the year 1988-89 for violation of Foreign site information is furnished below:-

1988-89 (Upto Feb.)

No. of Cases registered 4636

No. of complaints filed in courts of law 289

No. of cases in which punishment has been awarded. 92

(d) Proposal of amend FERA are under three years? consideration of the Government. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN mE [English] DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Deposits and Advances of Regional EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) NABARD has Rural Banks reported that the amount of deposits and overdue advances in the Regional Rural 4169. DR. SUDHIR ROY: Will the Min- Banks as on 31st December, 1987 was As ister of FINANCE be pleased to state: 2305.82 and Rs 569.72 crores respectively. The percentage of recovery 10 demand for (a) the amount of deposits, advances these banks for the year ending June, 1988 overdue, rate of recovery in the Regional was 48.89%. Rural banks and rural branches of the commercial banks as on 31 December, 1987; Reserve Bank of India has reported that and the deposits of rural branches of all scheduled commercial banks as at the end of 1987 (b) the rate of growth of deposits and were Rs. 17.527 crores. The Reserve Bank advances of Regional Rural Banks and na- of India has further reported that the present tionalised commercial banks for the last dala reporting system does not generate 145 Written AnsW8/'S CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written AnSW9/'S 146 separate information with regard to rural outstanding advances of regional rural branches on overdue advances and the banks and the public sector banks for the last recovery performance. three years as reported by NABARD and (b) The rate of growth of deposits and RBI respectively is as under:-

Year Regional Rural Banks Public Sector Banks

Deposits Advances Deposits Advances

1985 33.94% 30.24% 19.5% 12.5%

1986 33.37% 26.7g% 19.6% 13.7%

1987 34.4% 25.06% 15.6% 11.6%

Regional Rural Banks In Madhya Government employees of Madhya Pradesh Pradesh will also apply to the employees of RRBs in that State. 4170. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (b) The information is being collected and to the extent available will be laid on the (a) whether the Regional Rural Banks in Table of House. Madhya Pradesh have allowed quarantine leave as per Government orders, ff not the (c) NABARD have reported that all the reasons therefor; RRBs have been advised to cover their entire staff under the Group Insurance policy (b) whether the existing benefit of on the pattern of Central Government Em- foodgrains advance to employees of Re- ployees Group Insurance Scheme. No gional Rural Banks in Madhya Pradesh has specific instructions have, however, been been withdrawn; if so, the reasons therefor; issued by NABARD to RRBs to provide any and special insurance cover to their employees working in forest areas. (c) whether Government have advised the Regional Banks to cover the lives of their Reservations for SCs and STs In staff by insurance especially in the dacoity- Railways prone areas and area of Ambikapur and Jagdalpur districts of Madhya Pradesh 4171. SHRI JAGANNATH PRASAD: which are infested with wild animals and Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to snakes? state:

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) wl'lether High Courts of Allahabad, DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Punjab and Haryana and Rajasthan have IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI different Judgements in regard to the filling EDUARDO FALEIRO) (a) NABARD have up of reservation quota for the Scheduled reported that all RRBs have been instructed Castes and Scheduled Tribes in the Rail- to extend quarantine leave to their employ- ways. ees as per State Government rules. The rules applicable in this regard to the State (b) if so, whether Government have 147 MARCH 31, 19a9 Written AnSW91S 148

preferred an appeal in the Supreme Court Promotions to Branch Managers In against the Judgement of the Allahabad Regional Rural Banks Sponsored by High Court; if so, the present status of the Slate Bank of India appeaJ; 4172. SHRI ANll BASU: Will the Minis- ter of Flr~ANCE be pleased to state: (c) whether some of the Zones of Rail- ways have started acting pursuant to the (a) whether the State bank of India has judgement of the Allahabad High Court; and allowed its spon:3ored regional ruraJ banks to promote the required number of Officers! Br anch Managers to Area Senior Managers (d) if so, whether those zonal railways in terms of instructions issued by the NA- obtained prior approval of the Ministry and if BARD in 1984; not, the reasons therefor and the action taken against the officers concerned who (b) if nct, the reasons tharefor; prejudice the interests of SCs and 5Ts? (c) whether there have been cases of supersession in the above promotions dur- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ing the 'ast three years; MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir. (d) if so, the names of the regional rural banks in which such cases took place; and

(b) Yes, Sir. The appeal against the (e) the action taken; proposed to be judgement of the Allahabad High Court in taken in accordance with the NABARD J.e. Malik's case has appeared in the cause guidelines dated 1 December, 1987 and 10 Jist of the Supreme Court for the week com- February, 1988? mencing from 29.11.88 and will be heard by the Hon'ble Supreme Court in due course. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS (c) and (d). The Government have pre- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI terred an Appeal before Supreme Court EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). The against the fudgement of Allahabad High State Bank of India has reported that promo- Court. in 1978. The Supreme Court admitted tions to various grades including the posts of the appeal for hearing and also stayed the Area/senior Managers in all the Regional operation of the Allahabad High Court Rural Banks sponsored by it are made by Judgement. However. on 24.9.1984. the their Boards of Directors in accordance with Supreme Court vacated the stay and issued existing rules in this regard. interim order to the effect that the Allahabad High Court Judgement should be imple- (c) and (d). The information is being mented. On the precedent of the Supreme collected and the same, to the extent avail- Court interim order dated 24.9.1984 referred able will be laid on the Table of the House. to above, the Supreme Court itself and a few High Courts/Centra' Administrative Tribu- (e) The appointment and promotion of nals have passed interim orders on the lines Officers and other employees in Regional of the judgement of the Allahabad High Rural Banks are now being regulated in Court in J.C. Malik's case covering most of accordance with the notification issued in Railway fu"l partially. this regard in September, 1988 149 Writ9ll AnswetS CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnSwelS 150

Protection Work on the Right Bank of (a) whether any representations have Ganga at Farakka Barrage been received lor introduction of an express train between Varanasi and Trivandruml 4173. SHRI ZAINAl ABEDIN: Will the Kanyakumari; and Minister of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to state: (b) if so, whether any action has been taken thereon? (a) whether a scheme for the protection work on the right bank of the river Ganga in THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE the reach of 6 km. downstream of Farakka MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHAI Barrage was approved by the Farakka bar- MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir. rage Au,hority a few years ago; (b) A triweekly service between Var- (b) if so, the details of the Scheme; anasi-Tirupati/Madras is being introduced from Mar '89. People for Trivandrum Kan- (c) the progress so far achieved in yakumari can changeover at Madras. Intro- implementing the Scheme; duction of a train between Varanasi and TrivandrumlKanyakumari is presently not (d) whether the Scheme has later been operationally fe~ible. curtailed/given up;

(e) if so, the reasons therefor; and Coffee Stock at Coffee Board Depot

(f) if not, when the protection work of the said 6 km. length is expected to be com- 4175. SHRI SURESH KURUP: Will the pleted? Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES (a) whether the coffee stocks are being (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) to (c). A piled up in the pool depots of the Coffee scheme estimated to cost Rs. 7281akhs was Board at Idukkl in Kerala; and sanctioned in 1986. About 27% works have been completed by January J 1989. (b) if so, the reasons therefor and the measures taken to remedy this? (d) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (e) Does not arise. MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DASMUNSI): (a) and (b). The 1988-89 crop (f) The bank protection works are exe- of coffee is expected to be of a record level. cuted in the vicinity of the Farakka barrage The quantities of coffee being received in as reviewed and recommended by the Tech- vanous collecting Depots of the Board in- nical Advisory Committee from time to time. cluding the Depot at Idukki in Kerala is, therefore, quite large and more than the Express Train Between VARANASI and receipts in a normal crop year. The Board TrlvandrumlKanyakumarf has, however, made adequate arrangements for moving these coffees to the stor- 4174. SHRI P. A. ANTONY: Will the age centres of the Board as and when re- Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: quired from where these are sold. 151 Written Answers MARCH 31, 1989 Written Answers 152

SurplUS Workers Due to Closure of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Steam locomotive Sheds MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). Im- 4176. SHRI A. P. DAS: Will the Minister provement to stations including remodelling of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: of station buildings, is a continuous process and the same is done on a need-based (a) whether Government have pre- programme, in phases, subject to availability pared any strategy to absorb the staff ren- of funds. The facilities provided at Kovvur dered surplus on account of closure of Railway station are adequate for the level of Steam Locomotive Sheds; and traffic presently being handled and there is no proposal, at present, for further develop- (b) if so, the details thereof? ment of the station.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Railway Hospital at Tamluk Station MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). Regu- 4178. SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISHRA: lar staff rendered surplus due to progressive Will the Minister of RAILWAY be pleased to closure of Steam Traction are not dis- state: charged but are being redeployed in ether posts either in the existing vacancies or (a) the present position of setting up a against creations for new activities, after railway hospital including a blood bank at suitable training in alternative skills, as re- Tamluk railway station of the Panskura- quired. Ti" they are absorbed in alternative Haldia section of S.E. Railway; and posts, they are allowed to continue against 'special supernumerary' posts in the same (b) the details thereof? grade in which the incumbents were working. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI For the above purpose, certain broad MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). The guidelines have been laid down within the engineering work of extension to the existing broad framework thereof and depending health unit at Tamluk for converting it into a upon the local situations, Zonal Railway polyclinic is in progress. Facilities provided Administrations have powers to redeploy the would be consistent with workload and es- surplus staff suitably. sential requirements.

Assistance to Fishing Units Kovvur Railway Station (A.P.) 4179. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to refer to 41 n. SHRI SODE RAMAIAH: Will the the reply given on 10th March 1989 to Un- Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: starred question No. 2089 regarding SCICI assistance to fishing units and state: (a) the steps proposed to be taken to improve Kovvur (West Godavari) station in (a) the nature of rehabilitation given to Andhra Pradesh; and the two companies:

(b) the details of improvements to be (b) whether small enterpreneurs are undertaken? summoned to Bombay to meet the Shipping 153 CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 154

CradI and Investment Company d India THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (SCICI) officials and have 10 stay for days DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS beIont their problems are cleared; and IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FAIEIRO): (a) and (b). The infor- (c) I so. the action proposed to be taken mation is being collected and will be laid on by Government in this regard? the T abte of the House.

THE MlNlSlER OF STATE IN THE Manipulation of NRllnvestment DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Scheme by Banks. IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) On the basis of 4181. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: appraisal carried out by Shipping Credit and SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOZ ALI Investment Company of India Limited KHAN: (SCICI). it has been decided to allow re- DR. A.K. PATEL: schedulement of repayment of loan in- CH. KHURSHID AHMED: stalments by two companies. involving de- ferment of instalment of principal amount, Will the Minister of FINANCE be and overdue interest and recovery thereof in pleased to state: two or more instalments. (a) whether it has come to the notice of (b) and (c). SCICI has reported that Government that many leading international representatives of Deep Sea Fishing Com- banks and overseas branches of Indian panies are not required to visit SCICl's office banks in collusion with some Non-Resident at Bombay except when. because of incom- Indians are pocketing crores of rupees every pleteness of details furnished by fishing year by manipulating the NRI investment companies. it becomes necessary to call the scheme; and company representatives with a view to expediting processing of their proposals. (b) if so, the details thereof and the Professional Managers of SCICI also visit action taken in the matter? business places of such oompanies with a view to helping them in processing their THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE proposals. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). During Share Holding Rules for Joint Sector 1985. some irregularities in this regard were Company brought to the notice of the Reserve bank of India. Accordingly RBI have already issued instructions to all Indian banks having for- 4180. SHRI C. K. PUPPUSWAMY: Will eign branches and foreign banks operating the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: in India, in this regard.

(a) the pattern of share holding rules laid [ Translation] down tor a Joint Sector Company; and Ganga Action Plan (b) whether the Tamil Nadu Dadha PharmaceuticaJs limited is a Joint Sector 4182. SHRI JAGDISH AWASTH1: Will Company as per the share holding rules laid the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be down? pleased to state: 155 Written AnS"'BIS MARCH 31, 1989 Written AnsW91S 158

(a) whether Ganga Action Plan has pany for 9 years, if so, the reasons therefor, recommended to bring Ganga river upto and Ghats and to construct a Barrage to solve the water problem in Kanpur; (e) whether the number of Hindi boards in comparison to English at the book stalls d (b) if 90, whether estimated cost of the Mis A.H. Wheelel is negligible if so, the Barrage is also mentioned in the recommen- reasons therefor? dation; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) whether any offer for assistance has MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI been received from the World Bank for this MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). No, Barrage; and Sir.

(d) when the construction work of the (c) Does not arise. Barrage will start and the time by which is likely to be completed? (d). Yes, Sir. In 1967, it was decided to delete the clause of "Automatic renewar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE from the agreement but to extend the period MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES of agreement from 5 years to 9 years. (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) to (d). A committee constituted by the Ministry of (e) Bookstall contractors sell books and Environment & Forests in January, 1988 magazines which are generally required by recommended, among others, construction travelling public. The language-wise count of a gated barrage at Kanpur approximately of books is not maintained by the Railways. estimated to cost Rs. 130 crores. The detailed project report has not been received at Scheme to Minimise Sea-Erosion In the Centre. Lakshadweep

Standard of literature at railway book 4184. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: stalls Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to state: 4183. SHRI NARESH CHANDRA CHATURVEDI: Will the Minister of RAil- (a) whether there is any proposal under WAY be pleased to state: consideration of Government to minimise the sea-erosion in lakshadweep; (a) whether sub-standard and obscans literature is sold at the bookstalls of Mis a.H. (b) if so, the details of the schemes and Wheeler and Company at various Railway the action taken in this regard; and Stations; (c) the fund provided to the Government (b) whether Mis AH. Wheeler are not of lakshadweep during 1989-90? giving due place and publicity to Hindi books; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if so, the details thereof and reasons MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES therefor; (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) and (b). Anti sea erosion measures have been (d) whether the Railways have awarded planned to protect vulnerable reaches as the contract to Mis A.H. Wheeler and Com- recommended by the them of experts. 157 Written Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 158

(c) Recommended outlay for the year 1989-90 is Rs. 45 lakhs. (b) if so, the demands presented to the General manger, Western Railway; and Demands of passengers at Kutch (W.R.) (c) Government's reaction thereto?

4186. SHRI ANOOPCHAND SHAH: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pJeased to MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRr state: MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir.

(a) whether any 'Dharna"was arranged by Kutch passengers Association and Kutch (b) and (c). The main demands and the Yuvak mandai on 6 February, 1989 at Government's views thereon are given be- Western Railway Headquarters, Bombay; low:-

Demand Govenment's views

(i) Change in the timings of 31/32 (i) Presently not feasible due to Bombay Central-Gandhidham operational and resource Constraints Express and augmentation of its load.

(ii) Construction of a new B.G. line from (ii) A Techno-economic survey was carried Gandhidham 10 Bhuj Nalia. out but the project was found to be unremunerative and was not taken up.

(iii) Formation of Gandhidham Division. ( iii) There is no such proposal at pre'3ent.

(iv) Increasing the length and height of (IV) Extension of platform at Gandhidham platforms at Bachau, Samakhiyali and already completed. Extension of Gandhidham. platform at Bachau and Samakhiyali likely to be compleled in 1989. However, the existing height of the Platforms is considered adequate.

(v) Renaming of Gandhidham Express (v) Being renamed as Kutch Express from as Kutch Express or Kutch Mail. 1.5.1989.

Voters list (b) if so, the i1ames of the States from where such reports have come; 4187. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be (c) the action taken by Union Govern· pleased to state:.. ment; and (a) whether there has been a large scale (d) the details thereof? rigging in some States in the current enumeration of voters \ist 01 those having at- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tained 18 years of age: MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI 159 Wfltten Answers MARCH 31, 1939 Written Answers 160

H A BHARDWAJ) (a) to (d) No, Sir The various assocIations of cement unrts had ElectIOn Commission has Informed that been received requesting for concession In general complaints alieglOg Irregularities 10 excise duty on cement manufactured by enumeration of voters had been received mlnl-cement plants A concesslonal rate of from two states namely West Bengal and duly of Rs 115 per tonne has been pre- Trtpura In respect of four other States, sCribed with effect from the 1s1 march 1969, namely, Himachal Pradesh, Kerala, Orissa for cement manufactured by FactOries uSing and Uttar Pradesh a few complaints with vertical shaft kiln and with total licensed reference to particular areas or localities or capacity not exceeding 200 Ioanes per day cases had been received No complaints as against the general conce~Ional rate of have been received from the remaining 19 Rs 215 per tonne States and 7 Unton terrl10rles Election Commission has forwarded all these com- EvaSion of EXCise Duty in Art Silk plaints to the Chief Electoral Officers con FabriC Processing Industry cerned for necessary corrective action 4190 DR T KALPANADEVI Wilithe Exemption of Excise Duty to Cement Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state Plants (a) whether Government have received 4169 SHRt NARSING SURYAVANSI a representation from Maharashtra Pradesh Will the MInister of FINANCE be pleased to F abllc processing ASSOCiation, Bombay state concerning evasion of central excise duty to the order of Rs 1200-1400 crores annually (a) whether the Karnataka Vertical In Art Silk FabriC Processing Industry, Shaft Kiln (VSK) Mini-Cement plants Asso clatlon has urged the Central Government to (b) If so, the details thereof, Immediately exempt such plants from excise duty for five years to save them from collaps (c) whether thiS has led to Increase In 109, black money and resulted In Inflatton. and

(b) whether the Central Government's (d) If so the details thereof? pre-meture wIthdrawal of the excIse duty concesSion with State Governments Inabll- rty to release the promised mterest free loans THE MINISTER OF STATE INTHE to the extent of Sales Tax paid ( the highest DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE sales tax In the country at 18% along with a MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A K turnover tax of 1 5%) were the main reasons PANJA) (a) to (d) In Its representation, the for the Industry's woes, and Maharashtra Pradesh Fabnc Processing ASSOCiation, Bombay has stated that there IS (c) If so, the remedial measures pro- an evasion of central excise duty by the art posed to be taken by Union Government In Silk processing Industry of about Rs 1200- thiS regard? 1400 crores annually The ASSOCiation has suggested that the duty hve~le on synthetic fabriCS may be shifted to the yarn stage The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ASSOCiation has not given any baSIS for Its DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE estimate of evasion and It cannot be con- MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A K cluded that the present duty structure has PANJA) (a) to (c) Representations from led to black money and resulted In inflation 161 Written Answers CHAfTRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 162

Loans to Farmers interest rates prescribed for agricultural loans are as under: 4191. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to Category of Rate of state: Advances int8rsst (%p.a.) (a) the names of the institutions which give loans to farmer; Short Term AgricuhuraJ loans

(b) the amount of loans these institu- (a) Upto Rs. 7500/- 10.00 tions have taken from the Indian and foreign sources; and (b) Over Rs. 7500/- and upto As. 15000/- 11.50 (c) the amount of loan given by these institutions to farmers during the last three (c) Over Rs. 15000/- and years and at what rate of interest? upto Rs. 250001- 12.00

(d) Over Rs. 250001- 14.00 to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 15.50 DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Term Loans EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). The farmers can avail loan facilities from Public Sec- (i) Minor Irrigation and tor Banks, Regional Rural Banks, other Loan Development 10.00 Scheduled Commercial Banks, and Cooperative Banks including Land Develop- (ii) Other Purposes ment Banks. These institutions do not directly receive loans from the World Bank (a) Small farmers 10.00 which is generally channelised through National Bank for Agriculture and Rural (b) Other farmers 12.50 Development (NABARD). Details of outstanding agricultural advances of Commer- (iii) Advances by way of term cial Banks, Regional Rural Banks and Coop- loans for purchase of erative Banks as at the end of June, 1986, equipments based on new June 1987 and June 1988 are set out in the and renewable sources of Statement below. The Banks charge interest energy for agricultural as per RBI interest rate schedule and the purpose. 10.00 STATEMENT Outstanding advances of Scheduled Commercial Banks. Regional Rural Banks and Co- operative Bank (Rs. in crores) Years Scheduled Commercial Banks Regional Rural Banks Cooperative Banks June 1986 9482.88 871.1 6947.0 June 1987 10963.90 1061.2 7478.0 P June 1988 12285.00· 1060.5 P 8244.0 E P - provisional E - Estimated • Data provisional and relate to 50 Scheduled Com mercial banks which account for about 95 per cent of banks credit. 163 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written AnswelS 164

Setting up of Indo-Australian Joint (a) whether there is a proposal to intro- Economic commission duce an inter-city train from Gandhidham to Anand and Baroda for the students of Kutch;" 4192. SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state; (b) if so, the details thereof; and

(a) whether India and Australia have (c) if not, the reaSons therefor? decided on major expansion of the existing trade and economic links; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI (b) whether both the countries are plan- MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) No. Sir. ning to set up a joint economic commission at the ministerial level; (b) Does not arise.

(c) whether there is a "signijicant up- (c) Operational and resource con- grading" of development assistance for In- straints. dia; and [English] (d) the details thereof? Appointment of Chief Election Commis- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sioner DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 4194. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Recently SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- four Memoranda of Understanding have MOOWAlIA: been signed between India and Australia to SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHEPA- step up cooperation in Meteorology, Rail- TIL: way, Coal and Telecommunication Sectors. Both the countries have also agreed to set Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE up a joint commission at the Ministerial level be pleased to state: to review bilateral cooperation in the eco- (a) whether Government are consider- nomic and trade fields. A memorandum of ing to bring forward a legislation regarding Understanding has also been signed with the appointment of the Chief Election the Government of Australia on the 10th Commissioner; and February, 1989, for provision of conces- (b) if so, the details thereof and when? sionalloans to fi nance development projects in India. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI (c) and (d). These steps are expected, H.A. BHARDWAJ): (a) No, Sir. inter alia, to facilitate the flow of development (b) Does not arise. assistance for India. l Translation] [ Translation] Criticism of Functioning of Railways Inter·City Train From Gandhidham to 4195. SHRIMATI MANORAMA Anand and Baroda SINGH: 4193. SHRIMATI USHA THAKKAR: SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR: Willthe Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be state: pleased to state: 165 WriltBn AnsW91S CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 168

(a) whether the fundioning of Railways (a) the number of Constitutional I;a_ has been criticised by the Central Vigilance pending in the Supreme Court and for how Commission in his recent report; many years, in each case;

(b) if so, the points on which criticism (b) the number of such cases pending in has been made; each High Court; and

(c) the present number of cases recom- (c) the reasons for their pendency and mended by the Central Vigilance Commis- the remedial measures proposed to be sion for action but no decisive action could taken in this regard? be taken thereon so far; THE MINISTR OF LAW AND JUSTICE (d) the reasons therefor; and AND WATER RESOURCES (SHRI B. SHANKARANANO): (a) The information is (e) the steps being taken by Govern- contained in the Statement below. mentto remove this short coming and when? (b) The information is being collected THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE and will be laid on the Table of the House. MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVARO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). The (c) The pendency of cases including Central Vigilance Commission's Annual Report for the Calendar Year 1987 has been Constitutional cases, is due to several com- received only recently. Besides giving an plex factors. Various steps have been taken account of the performance (work done) in to reduce pendency in the courts, such as, the field of Vigilance. the Report gives sug- grouping of matters regarding common gestions for system/procedural improve- questions of law, and constitutional of spe- ment. The Central Vigilance Commission cial benches. The judge strength of Su- have not criticised the functioning of the preme Court has been raised from 18 to 26 Railways but have commented in a few and of High Courts from 351 to 451 in March, cases with the intention of assisting in the 1989. field of Vigilance matters.

STATEMENT (c) to (e). At present there is no case on which decisive action could not be taken by this Ministry in relation to the advice ten- Number of Constitutional Cases pending dered by Central Vigilance Commission. in the Supreme Court and their year-wiss The Commission's advice is given utmost pendency resped and attention and is acted upon. In case where it is proposed to deviate from the Year No. of Constitutional Commission's advice, the matter is referred cases pending back to them for reconsideration and appropriate action is taken in accordance with the 2 laid down procedure. 1968' 2 [English]

Constitutional Cases Pending in 1969 Supreme Court 1970 3 4196. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be 1971 pleased to state: 2 '. 167 Written An6wers MARCH 31,1989 Writum Answers 168

since then and the length of track renewed 1 2 tram January 1988 upto 31 December 1988 1972 27 in railway zones covering Gujarat against the total allocation as per Seventh Five year 1973 37 plan and the target fixed for physical progress; 1974 42 (b) the details of the railway tracks in 1975 37 Kilometer urgently required for renewal on Western Railway covering Gujarat area; and 1976 15 (c) when these railway tracks are likely 1977 207 to be renewed?

1978 125 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI 1979 384 MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) The details regarding allocation of funds for track renew- 1980 499 als, and the actual amount spent year-wise on Western Railway, which covers Gujarat 1981- 441 are as under:-

1982 1043 (Figs. in crores Rs.)

1083 1690 Year Allocation Actual amount spent 1984 905 1985-86 91.00 92.10 1985 992 1986-87 102.70 103.80 1986 170 1987-88 134.64 152.15 1987 522 1988-89 138.72 100.56 (upto 1988 234 Feb' 89)

1989 4 1989-90 139.55

Total 7381 About 46P km. of Complete track renewal was done on Western Railway from Track Renewal on Western Railway Apnl. 1988 to December 1988, against the target of 473 km for the financial year, 1988- 4197. SHRI RANJITSINGH 89. GAEKWAD: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS pleased to state: (b) and (c). About 108 km of complete track renewal is urgently required to be done (a) the allocation for renewal of railway on Western Railway and is likely to be tracks since 1985, actual amount spent completed by 31 .3.1990, subject to availa- 169 Written AnswelS CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 170 bility of funds. approval letter, necessary action wherever called for is taken. [ Translation) (Engli~"'~ Survey to FTZs. Flood Managements Works in Orissa '4198. SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- 4199. SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MO- MOO WALIA: HANTY: Will the Minister of WATER RE- SOURCE be pleased to state: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: (a) whether Government have received any proposal to construct, strengthen and (a) Whether Indo-USSR chamber of repair Salaine embankments in Puri district Commerce and Industries has made a sur- of Orissa to prevent the over flow of salaine vey during last year regarding "Free Trade water dUring floods; Zones" (FTZs); (b) if so, the details thereof; (b) if so, whether it has been observed in the survey report that many manufactur- (c) whether Government have provided ers are misusing facilities extended in "Free any funds; Trade Zones"; (d) if so, the details thereof; and (c) if so, whether Government have made an enquiry into these cases; (e) whether this being a Flood Control Programme, Government are considering (d) if so, the outcome of the enquiry; and thIS project on priority basis?

(e) the action proposed to be taken by THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Government in this regard? MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES (SHRI MATI KRISHNA SAHI): ((a) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (b) to (e). Do not arise. DASMUNSI): (a) and (b). Inoo-USSR Chamber of Commerce and Industry con- Word Bank Loan to Kerala ducted a study on the growth of Free Trade Zones in the country. It has stated in the 4200. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Will the report that it had also come to its notice that Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: a few units in the Free Trade Zones are misusing the facilities of the Zone. (a) the details of the loan !)rovided to Kerala by the World Bank during last three (c) to (e). Government specifies various years; conditions in the Letter of Approval in each case having regard to the details given by (b) the terms and conditions thereof; the applicant in connection with his pro- and posed manufacturing activities. In the event of any violation coming to its notice of the (c) whether Kerala State is timely pay- conditions by any unit with reference to the ing back the instalments of the loan taken 171 Writt9n AnSW9fS MARCH 31,1989 Written AnSW9t5 172 from the World Bank? (a) whether the western Kosi Canal will be completed by the end of 1990; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENTOF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS (b) if not, the reasons therefor; and IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). A Ioanl (c) the steps Government are taking for credit of $ 280 million has been negotiated the timely completion of this project? recently with the World Bank for the Indus- trial Training Institutes (ITls). ITls in Kerala THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE will also be covered under the project. The MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES terms and conditions have not yet been (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) to (c). Due finalised. to constraints of funds and problems of land acquisition the Western Kosi Canal is ex- Scheme for Coffee House and Coffee pected to be completed by 1994-95. Centres. Recommendations of Chakravarty 4201. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY: Will Committee on Monetary System the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: 4203. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state (a)whethertheCoffeeBoard has drawn up a scheme to encourage opening of Cof- (a) which of the recommendations of fee House and Coffee Centres by the edu- Chakravarty Committee on monetary sys- cated unemployed and those returning from tem (1982) have not yet been implemented; Gulf; and (b) the reasons for deiay in this non- (b) if so, the incentives and assistance implementation; and which the Coffee Board proposes to give in this regard? (c) the time by which these recommen- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE dations would be implemented? MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DASMUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir. Coffee Board has THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE drawn up a scheme for opening of Coffee DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Houses and Coffee Centres by educated IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI unemployed persons. EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). The Comm ittee to Review the Working of the (b) The Coffee Board proposes to give Monetary System set up by the -Reserve training on various accepts of coffee Bank of India under the Chairmanship of brewing, roasting, grinding and manage- Prof. S. Chakravarty, had made a compre- ment of Coffee Houses etc. to the selected hensive review of the working of the mone- personnel. With such incentives as stipend, tary system in India and made recommenda- cash subsidy, grant of agency ship for sale of tions covering a !'lumber of aspects of the raw roffee etc. to the eligible categories. monetary system and credit policy. By their very nature a number of these recommenda- Completior~ ~ Western Kosi Canal tions can be considered only over time as the 4202. DR. G. S. RAJHANS: Will the monetary and financial system develops. Minister of WATER RESOURCES be Some of the recommendations of tbe pleased to state: Committee are also in the nature of general . 173 Written AnswetS CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answ81S 174 observations on the shape of things and are. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE therefore. relevant only in the longer run DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS perspective. Some others are in the nature IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI of rationalisation and development of the r EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. financial system and have, therefore, to be implemented in phased manner. While a (d) The annual inflation rate in Whole- large number of recommendations have sale Price Index, on point to point basis, has already been acted upon, some are neces- come down to 6.3 per cent as on week sarily being implemented in stages, since ending 11 th March 1989 from 10.1 per cent they depend upon growth of monetary and in the corresponding period of last year. financial system. (e) Does not arise. In view of the above, it is not possible to indicate a definite time-frame for completing Opening of Office of Regional Manager the implementation of all the recom menda- of Slate Bank of India at Gangtok tions of the Committee. 4206. SHR IMATI D. K. BHANDARI: Track Renewal Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: 4204. SHRt DAULA TStNHJI JADEJA: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to (a) whether all the North-Eastern States state the targets of track renewal fixed for viz. Meghalaya, Nagaland, Tripura, 1989-90? Mizoram, Assam and Arunachal Pradesh are having offices of the Regional Managers THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE of the State Bank of India in their capitals; MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVARAO SCINDIA): The target of (b) whether Government propose to set track renewal for 1989-90 has been fixed as up one such office at Gangtok; 3550 Km. (c) if so, the details thereof; and

Rate of Inflation (d) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4205. SHRI HUSSAIN DALWAI: Will DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (d). Regional (a) whetherthere was a bumper harvest OfficeslZonal Offices, which are controlling this year; offices of banks, are set up by the banks keeping in view the number of branches to (b) what was its dent on the price levels; be controlled, their level of business, geographical contiguity, availability of infras- (c) whether the rate of inflation has gone tructural facilities, administrative conven- down as a result of bumper harvest; iences, cost-benefit analysis etc.

(d) if so, to what extent; and State Bank of India (SBI) has reported that the bank's branches located in the North (e) if not, the reasons thereof? Eastern States are controlled by its local 175 Writtsn Answers MARCH 31.1989 Written Answers 176

Head Office at Guwahati through two Re- mentary licensing Committee is not consid- gional Offices located at Guwahati and Shil- ered necessary. long. The bank has also set up Regional manager's Offices at ltanagar (Arunachal Writing Off of Loans to Farmers In Pradesh). Dimapur (Nagaland) and Agar- Maharashtra tala (Tripura). S81 has further reported that it has only 15 branches in the State of Sikkim 4208. SHRI SAMBHAJIRAO KAKADE: which are adequately controlled by the Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to bank's Regional office at Siliguri (West state. Bengal). The bank has no proposal to set up a Regional Manager's Office at Gangtok at (a) whether Government have taken present. note of the reported writing off of over Rs. 200 crores worth of farmers' loans by the Supplementary Import Licences Government of Maharashtra;

4207. SHRI RAMASHRA Y PRASAD (b) whether the Reserve Bank of India SINGH: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be has any proposal to increase reliefs to bor- pleased to refer to the reply given on 24 rowers to meet increasingly unfavourable February. 1989 to Unstarred Question No. climate for repayment of loans; 471 regarding supplementary import licences and state: (c) if so, the details thereof; and

(a) the cases where supplementary (d) if not, whether Government propose import licences have been issued on the to bring parity in the huge amounts spentll basis of the decisions taken by inter-Ministe- granted to sick industries and the amount rial meeting during 1988-89; and loanedlborrowed by small/marginal and self-employed farmers? (b) whether ex-post-facto approval was obtained from Supplementary Licensing THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Committee (Hq) ~ so, when and if not, the DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS reasons for the same? IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) The State Gov- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ernment of Maharashtra had reported that MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. certain decisions were taken by them with a DASMUNSI): (a) and (b). During 1988-89, view to lessen the burden of farmers. lan- Supplementary Import Licences have been dless labourers and Adivasis through a granted for imports of Rayon Grade Wood package of remission of Government dues, Pulp. Carbon Black, Integrated Circuits (IC) freezing of interest dues and reschedule- and Electronics Circuits Board (ECB) for ment of principal alongwith interest due to Watches/Clocks, Monomethyl Acetoacet- cooperative credit institutions. amide, penicillin GN, etc., on the basis of the decisions taken at the Inter-Ministerial (b) to (d). Reserve Bank of India have Meetings. Consideration of cases by Sup- stated that there are provisions in existing plementary licensing Committee is for the guidelines for providing relief by way of purpose of obtaining clearance from indige- converting short-term production loans into nous angle. Where such clearance from medium-term loans, rescheduling/post· indigenous angle is accorded at an Inter- panement of existing term-loan instalments Ministerial meeting, approval by the Supple- and provision of additional need based cropl 177 Written Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 178 investment loans to the farmer sin case of Target lor priority Sector lendlngs by natural calamities and other adverse exigen- Banks cies. Further, Government has also decided to set up a National Agricultural Credit Relief 4210. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will the Fundio, providing relief in the debt burden to Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: the farmers affected by successive natural calamities. (a) the lending target in priority sector by banks for the financial year 1988-89; Purchase of Rubber by STC in Kerala (b) whether there is any shortfall of the 4209. SHRI A. CHARLES: Will the relative target, if so, the persons responsible Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to therefor; and state: (c) the action proposed to be taken to (a) whether the State Trading Corpora- correct the situation? tion (STC) has started purchasing natural rubber directly from the market in Kerala; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS (b) if so, reasons therefor; IN THE MiNISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). All Sched- (c) the price at which rubber is being uled Commercial banks have been advised purchased by the Corporation; and that 40% of their total outstanding advances should be for Priority Sector. All Public (d) the quantity of rubber purchased so Sector Banks have already exceeded the far? target of 40% as at the end of December, 1988. Advances of Public Sector Banks taken together to Priority Sector constituted THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 45.1 % of their total advances as at the end of MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. December, 1988. However, in the cases of DASMUNSI): (a) to (d). Yes, Sir. A buffer private sector banks the percentage of their stocking scheme is being operated by Gov- priority sector advances to their total ad- ernment with the aim of providing remunera- vances as at the end of December 1987 tive returns to the growers while simultane- (latest available) was 38.4% which was little ously ensuring steady supply of rubber to the less than the prescribed target of 40%. RBI user industry at a reasonable price. Under has been advised to extort the defaulting this scheme the STC intervenes in the mar- banks for making up the shortfall inlending to ket when prices fall below the desired level. priority sector. Accordingly STC has been procuring rubber from the local market in Kerala and has so far Railway Lines in Punjab procured a quantity of 4135 MTs. at the following prices:- 4211. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: RMA - grade Rs.16800 PMT. (a) whether there is any proposal for RMA - IV grade Rs. 17300 PMT. laying new railway lines in Punjab particu- and ISNR-20 grade larly covering Hoshiarpur district during the Seventh Five Year plan; and 179 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written Answ91S 180

(b) if so, the details thereof and if not. the is being used for irrigation in each of the reasons therefor? major rivers viz. Ganga. Brahmaputra. Sindhu. Narmada, Godavari, Krishna and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Cauvery; MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). Con- (b) the quantity of water running away struction of a new BG line between Beas and into the sea in each of the major rivers; Goindwal (27 km), at an estimated cost of As. 21.13 crores, has been included in 1989- (c) whether any plan has been formu- 90 Budget. iated to utilise the water going waste into the sea from these rivers; and I Utilisation of River Water (d) if so, the details thereof? 4212. SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY: Will the Minister of WATER RE- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SOURCES be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) and (b). (a) the total quantum of river water that The requisite information is as under:

(inclubic km.)

Basin Average annual Estimaff.. ~ utilizable flow runoff in the river excluding ground water

2 3

Indues (upto border) 73.305 46.000

Brahmaputra (at Jogigupa) 537.067 24.000

Ganga 501.643 250.000

Godavari 118.982 76.300

Krishna 67.790 58.000

Cauvery 20.957 19.000

Narmada 40.950 34.500

After utilisation of available water for into the sea. irrigation and annual replenishable groundwater re-charge. the balance water, after (c) and (d). The details of major projects evaporation and vegetation losses, flows in these basins are as under: 181 Writt8IJ AnswelS CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 182

1. Projects completed during pre-plan period 47

2. projects wmpleted during Plan period 45

3. On--going projects of VII Plan 133

4. New Projects of VII Plan 13

A national perspective of water re- Bank for the upgradation of country's tech- sources development comprising two com- nology; and ponents viz. Himalayan Rivers Develop- ment; and Peninsular River Development (d) the details of the projects which are have been formulated. The National Water being implemented under Technical Devel- Development Agency has undertaken feasi- opment Fund Scheme? bility studies of Peninsular River Develop- ment Component of the National Perspec- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tive. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFARRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI World Bank Suggestion of Upgradation EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). The World of Technology Bank staff has brought out a report on "In- dia-Policies for Ind ustrial Technology 4213. DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI: Will Development" It is an internal document of the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: the World Bank. Its distribution is restricted and recipients are not authorised to disclose (a) whether the World Bank has sug- its contents. Discussions are being held with gested that Government should further liber- the World Bank Staff for possible assistance alise its policy for import of technology and for an Industrial Technology Development capital goods under the technical Develop- Project. ment Fund Scheme;

(b) if so, the steps taken by Government (d) TDF approvals issued for import of thereon; capital goods, technical know-how etc. for quality improvement, cost reduction, energy (c) the assistance given by the World saving etc. in the last 3 years in as under:-

Financial No. of Cases Value approved Year approved (Rs. crores)

1986-87 272 69.15

1987-88 211 62.90

1988 183 69.22 (April- Dec.) 183 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written AnswelS 184

Branch-Cum-lnvestment Office of LlC in the man plantation labourers. The rate for Vljayawada child labour is lower than the rate meant for adults irrespective of man or women. 4214. SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- WARA RAO: Will the Minister of FINANCE Besides the daily wages are fixed under be pleased to state: BipartrtefTripartite agreement, the incentive for plucking green leaves and other statutory (a) the latest stage of the proposal for or non-statutory fringe benefit like construction of Branch Office-cum-Invest- Foodgrains subsidy, Housing, Children ment Building of Life Insurance Corporation education, Medical Attendance/Sickness at Besant Road, Vijayawada in Andhra Benefit, Earned Leave, Provident Fund, Pradesh; and Maternity Benefit etc. are also available for tea plantation labourers in ASSAM. (b) the estimated cost and the number of floors of the proposed building? I Translation]

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Survey on Ground Water level In DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Madhya Pradesh IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Architectural 4216. SHRI K. N. PRADHAN: Will the drawings for Municipal approval are under Minister of WATER RESOURCES be preparation. pleased to state:

(b) The proposed building is estimated (a) whether ground water level in to cost Rs. 1 crore approximately and will Madhya Pradesh is constantly going down have ground floor plus five upper floors. due to less rain and the excessive exploitation of ground water; Application of Minimum Wages Act in Tea Industry (b) whether any survey has been conducted to assess the extent of ground water in the State; 4215. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased (c) if so, the results thereof; and to state: (d) whether any financial assistance (a) whether the payment under Mini- has been provided or proposed to be pro- mum Wages Act is in vogue in the Tea vided for conducting census of minor irriga- Industry in Assam particularly in respect of tion works under the centrally sponsored women workers; and scheme to the Government of Madhya Pradesh? (b) if so, the salient features thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) Decline in DASMUNSI): (a) and (b). From the rate of ground water levels has been observed in P.R. daily wages paid to the tea plantation some localised parts of Madhya Pradesh. labourers it is clear that women tea plantation labourers are not treated differently from (b) and (c). The annually replenish able 185 WrittSQ AnswelS CHAfTRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answ81S 186 ground water resource for the State has various constraints. been provisionally estimated at 5.9718 million hectare metres. (v) Designing of a comprehensive integrated rural development proj- (d) Central assistance of Rs. 42.80 ect. lakhs has been released to the Government of MadhVa Pradesh under the centrally Standard of catering service at Secun- sponsored scheme for conducting a Census derabad and Khazlpet of Minor Irrigatior Schemes. 4218. SHAI GOPAL KRISHNA Agricultural finance Corporation THOTA: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be Contract for Rural Development pleased to state: Projects in Nepal (a) whether the South Central Railway 4217. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT: Will have conducted any check/raids on the the Ministerof FINANCE be pleased to state: vendors at Secunderabad and Khazipet railway stations regara:'1q the quality of edibles; (a) whether the Agricultural Finance Corporation has entered into contracts for (b) If so, the details of the raids/checks preparing rural development projects in conducted during the last two years; and Nepal; and (c) the action taken against those ven- (b) if so, the details thereof? dors found selling sub-standard, impure or adulterated food stuffs and edibles? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). The MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes. Sir. Agricultural Finance Corporation (AFC) has entered into a contract with Asian Develop- (b) 121 checks at Kazipet and 38 at ment Bank, to provide consultancy services, Secunderabad were conducted during the for preparing an Integrated Rural Develop- last 2 years. ment Project in Nepal. The scope of the Study would broadly include: (c) No instance of sale of impure or adulterated food stuff and edibles came to (i) Development of indicators to notice. However, 3 commission vendors evaluate impact of Sagarmatha were removed, 19 commission beares were Integrated rural Development Proj- fined, 22 suspended and 26 warned for other ect (SIRDP). irregularities and misbehaviour.

(ii) Preparation of resource inventory [ Trans/ation] of the project area. Construction of STC Head Office (iii) Completion of reconnaissance survey. 4219. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the (iv) Determination of potential for de- Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to velopment and examination of state: 187 Written AnswelS MARCH 31,1989 Written Answers- 188 (a) whether State Trading Corporation construction STC office building are given in (5TC) has constructed a building for its h6ad the Statement below. office in Delhi and if so, the total amount incurred thereon; (c) and (d). There were no shortcomings in civil construction works. However, based on the review of the structural design (b) whether this construction work has of the building, Mis. Engineers India Limited been done by any state agency and if not, the and the Indian Institute of Technology, Delhi, name of the construction company; had indicated the following design defects:-

(c) whether some shortcomings have been found in this construction work and if (i) Some ribs of second and third so, the details thereof;and floors are inadequately rain- forced due to premature curtail- (d) whether the construction company ment of botton reinforcement; has been penalised for these shortcomings and if not, the reasons therefor? (ii) Some of the main ribs on lower floors (Upper Ground and First THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Floor) are inadequately rein- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. forced to carry shear around the DASMUNSI): (a) The State Trading Corpo- out-outs for ducts etc. ration (STC) is constructing a building for its head office in Delhi. The expenditure incurred on the construction of the building till These have been rectified and it has 28.2.1989 amounted to Rs. 26 crores. been provisionally decided to adjust the rectification expenses against the dues (b) Details of agencies engaged in civil payable to the Architect. STATEMENT

STC Offices Building Complex - List of Agencies Engaged in Construction

51. No. Name of the Company Na.ture of work

2 3

1. MIs. Simplex Concrete Piles (India) Piling Private Limited

2. Mis. Universal Consortium of Engineers Civil (P) Limited

3. Mis. Pest Control (India) Private Limited Anti-termite

4. MiS. India Water Proofing Co. Water Proofing

5. MIs. S. Sony & Co. Sanitary & Water Supply

6. Mis. Otis Elevator Co. (India) Ltd. lifts

7. MIS. Bharat Electricals Electricals 189 CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA)

1 2 3

8.. MIs. HydroweIs Pvlltd. Tubewen

9. aMs. S. Sony & Co. Fire F~hting

10. Ws. Voflas limited Central Air-conditioning

11. Mis. ConsofJdated fngg. Co. Aluminium Glazing

12. Mis. Parry & Co. Diesel Generating Set

13. MIs. Bondvellndia Pvt. Ltd. Epoxy Grouting

14. MIs. Watcon Water Specialists Water Softening Plant

15. MIs. Decon and

16. Mls.8ajaj Electrical Fixtures

17. MIs. Steel age Industries Fire Detection

18. MIs. Shu Shingar Land Scaping

19. Mis. Laxmi Sprinklers Addl. Fire Sprinklers System

20. New Delhi Municapl Committee Electrical Sub-Station and service connection

ARCHITECT: MIs. Rewaf & Kuldip Singh, New Delhi

SUPERVISORY CONSUlTANT ENGINEERS: MIs. Engineers India Ltd.,

[Engish} these letters of credit was deposited in tne foreign banks; and Opening of Letters of Credit by MIs. Reliance Industries (d) whether MIs. Reliance Industries limited had sought the permission of the 4220. SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH : Government under the Foreign Exchange Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to Regulation Act. state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) Whether Government permitted MIs. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Reia tee industries limited to open letters of IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRt credit in the nationalised banks during May. EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) to (d). In accor- 1985; dance with the provisions of the Import and Export policy relating to import of PTA under (b) if so, the details thereof; OGl, Mis. Reliance Industries ltd., (Rfl) registered contracts tor tmport of PTA with te) whether a Sl.Ibstarlta amount of the Ministry of Petroleum during 1984 and 191 Wliten Answ9l'S MARCH 31, 1989 Written AnsW9tS 192

1985. In May 1985 on receipt of requests (a) the total number of Judges/Addi- from RIL. 5 bank branches at Bombay, 2 of tional Judges working at present in each which belong to public sector banks and 3 to High Courts and the Suprement Court; and foreign banks in India, opened letters of credit for import of PTA, as required under (b) the number of those belonging to the Regulations and Instructions issued by Scheduled CasteslScheduled TribesIMi- RBI against the provisions of the Foreign nonty Communities respectively, among Exchange Regulation Act. them?

[ Translation] THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- TICE AND MINISTER OF WATER RE- 5TIST Judge. In High Court and SOURCES (SHRI B. SHANKARANAND): Supremen Court (a) A statement containing the ;il'ormation is given below; 4221. SHRI R.P. SUMAN : Will the (b) The information is being collected Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased and will be laid down on the Table of the to state: House. 193 MilenAnnws CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswetS 194

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Price Rise measured in terms of changes in Consumer Price Index for Industrial Workers (1960-100) between January 1988 and January 1989

Centre Price Rise (Per cent)

Hyderabad 7.9

Ahmedabad 4.6

Srinagar 9.4

6angalore 6.6

Bhopal 7.4

Bombay 7.3

Japur 10.0

Madras 5.8 ) Cakutta 12.0

Delhi 10.1

Note:Figures for January 1989 which are based on new series (1982-100) have been converted back to old series (1960= 100) by using the linking factors slJPplied by the Ministry of Labour.

[English] (a) India's position among the debtor countries; and External Borrowings 4223. SHAI MAHENDHRA SINGH: SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: (b) what is the percentage of the non- WiD the Minister of FINANCE be concessional borrowing to the total external pleased to state: borrowings? 191. Wnn.n AnSW91S MARCH 31.1989

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) 1521. Persons (fIgYr8S provisional) DEPARllAENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS have received monetary cash rewards dur- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ing the year 1988 for infonni'1J the CustOms eDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) According to the and Central Excise authorities about smug- statistica(jnformation contained in the World gli~ and evasion of Customs duties. Developfnent Report 1988. published by the World Bank, the debt-service on external public debt as a percentage of Gross Na- Export of Essential commodHes tional Product (GNP) for developing economies in 1986 was 4.4. percent. For the same 4225. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: year. the same course indicates India's Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased debt-service as a proportion of GNP was 1.2. to state: percent. (a) whether some of the essential (b) The debt outstanding in respect of commodities are being exported; external commercial borrowings as on 31.3.1988 was about 24 percent of the total (b) if so, the names of such commodi- external debt. ties; incentive. of CUrb Smuggling Activities (c) whether this has an adverse impad on availability and prices of such commodi- 4224. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: Will ties in the country; and the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (d) if so, whether Government propose (a) whether Government have an-. to review their policy in regard to the export nounced a package of incentives to curb of essential commodities such as rice sugar. smuggling activities; cement. fish. meat and other food producfs? (b) if so, the details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R (c) the number of person benefited so DASMUNSI): (a) to (d). Government's Pol- far during the current year who have in- icy has continued to be to give the utmost formed the authorities about the smuggling prior~y to meeting the internal demands for and other frauds? essential commodities with the aim of making them available to the population at THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE reasonable prices. Keeping in view, how- DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE ever, the need for earning foreign exchange. MINlSTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Government has been permitting the export A.K.PANJA): (a) and (b) Yes, Sir. As part of of limited quantities of selected commodities th.a intensification of the anti·smuggling in surplus situations. The production, availa- drive, the scheme of rewards and other bility, prices and similar other factors affect· incentives granted to informers and depart- ing the common man are constantly kept mental officials engaged in anti-smuggling under review by the Government in order to work was reviewed by the Government in ensure that exports of any commodity do not March, 1985. As a result of the review, apart have an adverse impact on availability and from further strengthening of the anti-smug- prices. gling infrastructure. it was considered necessary to rat~nalise the reward policy and [ Translation] accordingly the reward eligibility of informers and departmental officials was enhanced Import of Disposable Syringes from 10% to 20% of the value of contra- 4226. SHRI JITENDRA SINGH : Will bands seized with provision of grant of part the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to of the reward immediately after seizure. state: 201 CHAfTRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written AnsWBIS 102

(a) whether the import of disposable scheduled commercial banks in respect of syinges underO.aL. has an adverse impact their rural branches in the State of Orissa as on the Disposable Syringes and Needle on September. 1988 (latest available) were Industry; As 496 crores. The percentage of recovery in respect of direct agricultural advances of (b) if so, whether the interest of this All Scheduled Commercial Banks in the industry was kept in view while framing a State of Orissa was 52.8% for the year policy in this regard; and ending June 1987.

(c) if not, the remedial measures being Complaints Against Officials of State taken in this regard? Bank of Indore

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4228. RAJ KUMAR RAI: Will the Minis- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. ter of FINANCE be pleased to refer to the DUSUUNSI): (a) to (c). In the current import reply given on 4 November, 1988 to Unstar- policy, import of disposable syringes has red Question No. 375 regarding complaints been allowed under Open General Licence against officials of State Bank of Indore and after taking into consideration all factors State;' including indigenous production. Further, indigenous industry is also given protection (a) whether the requisite information by way of high rate of duties on imported has seine been collected? disposable syringes. (b) if so, the details thereof including [English] particular of the o1ficers against whom complaints were received; and Assistance by Nationalised Banks to Rural Poor In Orissa (c) if not, the reasons therefor?

4227. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minlster of FINANCE be pleased to state: DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (a) the total loan provided by national- EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). As per ised banks to rural poor in Orissa, bank-wise records available with State Bank of Indore, during the last three years; eight complaints were received during the year 1988 from Members of Parliament (b) the percentage of recovery made so against one General Manager. The Bank far from the said loan amount. has reported that the points raised in the complaints did not constitute any act of (c) whether three is demand to convert misfeasance or non-feasance on the part of the said long into loan term loans; and the official.

(d) if so, the details thereof and the [ Translation] action taken/proposed to be taken by Gov- emment in this regard? Fare of Mail/Express trains

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4229. SHRI SHANTI DHARIWAL: Will DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI state: EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (d). The present data reporting system of banks does not (a) whether railway passenger fare of yield information in the manner asked for. mail/express trains for same distances is However, outstanding advances of all uniform; 203 MARCH 3'. 198!1

(I)' if 10, wheIher Government have {b} and (c). Do not arise. receitted complaints» the effect thai there is diference in the tares for same distance in AppoIntmant of ... Judges In ..... Dehradun Express and .Avadh Express High Court trains; 4231. SHRI P. KOlANOAlVELU: WiI (c' if 90, the reasons therefor; and the Uinister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to stale: (d) the action taken by GoYemment to remove this diff8f8nC81 (a) the number of vacancies of Judges in Madras High cnurt; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRt (b) whether the Tamil Nadu G0vern- MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) Yes, Sir. ment has sent a memorandum recenIIJ to Union Government for appoin1m~of seven (b) Yes, Sir. more Judges to the High Court at Madras; and (c) White Avadh Express is an express train for its entire run, 19120 Dehradun (c) the steps proposed to be taken by Expt:ess runs as an ordinary trains for a part Government in trns regard? of its journey. Therefore, fares in some t;aS8S, by the two trains, are different. THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- TICE AND MINlSTER OF WATER RE- (d} Does not arise. SOURCES (SHRI B. SHANKARANAHO): (a) There are 4 vacancies in the Madras H"Jgh Court. [English] (b) and (c). Yes. Sir. A proposal was implementation of cadre Management received fOI increasing the sanctioned Plan strength of the Uadras High Court by seven Judges. It is proposed to cafltortha views of 4230. SHRI SOMJIBHAI OAMOR : Will the present Chief Minister. the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to refer to the reply given on 25 November, 1988 to India's Share in World Trade Unstarred question No. 1992 regarding implementation of cadre management plan 4232. OR. DtGVIJAY SINH: Will the and state: Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: (a) whether the Committee set up by the Central Board of Dired Taxes has submitted (a) whether the percentage of India's its report, share in the world trade has declined signifI- cantly in last 30 years. (b) if so, the details thereof; and (b) if so, the extent thereof and the (c) the action taken by Government reasons therefor; and thereon? (e) the steps being taken to improve the. situation? THE MINISTER Of STATE tN THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE tN THE THE UlNISTER OF STA1E IN THE UINISTPY OF FINANCE (St-4RJ WNSSffiV OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R A.K.PANJA) : (a) No, Sir. OASUUNSt): (a) and (b). India's share in the ~10.1911(~

Wortd Trade deciI.ad fIOrR 156 per cant (b) Does noI arise. during 1957 10 0.54 per cent during 1987. The main 181 5 IS for1ha decline are the vast Opening bank IIrancMs In ,North- , dam I stic rnaItuIt. lack ~ adequate sur- easIem Raglan pluses for export. high pro&abiIy in d0- mestic tnaIbt, 8k:. 4234. SHRI ABDUl HAMI>: WiI the Uinisler of FWANCE be pleasad to stale: tel The Gcwemmenl has iniiaIed a series of measures k) promote exports. (a) 1he details of aha nawbiMtkbraldles These are desiglted to generate surpluses opened ~ the naIipnaIised banks in North for export. to induce the production of goods EasSerR Region particularly in Assam during ariemporary in tedmoIogr and c0mpeti- 1981-88 and 1988-89; tive in prices and to make exports profitable. (b) the number of branches estaQIishad Conversion of Railways line Between in "Char. areas (islands of the riMrBraham- K.alpadi-Tirupati pulra) where one forth poputation of Assam lives; and

4233. SHRI R .EEVARATHINAM :WiR the Minister of RALWA YS be pleased to (e) the steps taken bv GovemmanI1o sIaIa: provide them more banking faeRies forthN el!onomic upliftment? (8) whether Government have any proposal to convert the metered-gauge railway track between Katpadi Junction and THE MINISTER OF STATE .. THE Trupati into broad-gauge track; and OEPARTMENT Of ECONOMIC AFFAm IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) if so, the details thereof? EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) Reserve Bank of India (RBI has reported that banks have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE opened branches at 112 centres in the MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI North-Eastern Region during the year 1987 MADHAVRAO SCINOIA): (a) No, Sir. and 1988 as per details given beIow:-

Name of State No. of bank branches opened

1987 - 1988

Assam 33 53

Arunachal Pradesh

Mizoram 11

Meghalaya 4

NagaIand

Tripura 3 4

Total 38 74 207 MARCH 31. 1989 Written AnsMHS 208

(b) RBI has reported that 6 bank year-wise since 1985; branches were opened in Dtwbri and Jorhat Districts of Assam. (c) passenger traffic in different zones! divisions with percentage of variation, year- (c) The aim of current Branch Licensing wise since 1985; and Policy for 1985-90 is to achieve a coverage of 17,000 population per bank office in the (d) estimates, if any, of goods traffic rural and semi-urban areas of each develop- carried by road transport year-wise since ment block and to make available at least 1985. one bank office within a distance of 10 Kms. from wary village. In the hiHytracts. sparsely THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE populated regions and tribat areas, lhe MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI population ooverage norm is relaxed from MADHAVRAO SCiNDIA) (a) Although Rail- 17.000 to 12. 000 10.000. On the basis of ways continue to be Principal mode of trans- lists of identified centres received from State port, yet there is shift of traffic in favour of Governments. RBI as per the norms laid road transport over the years. The details down in the branches expansion policy has are gwen in the statement below: allotted 421 rural and semi-urban centres to banks for opening branches in the States of (b) and (c). Details of revenue earning North-Eastern Region. goods traffic and number of passengers carried in different zones and percentage Frelgt Traffic variation over the previous year are given in the statement below: 4235. SHRI K.P. UNIKRISHNAN: Will the Minister of RAilWAYS be pleased to (d) The estimated goods traffic carried state: by road transport is as under:-

(a) whether there is a shift in the move- (Billion Tonne KM) ment of goods traffic form Railways to road transport over the years, during the last 1985-86 224.7 decade or more and whether this trend is persistent and if so. the details there of: 1986-87 240.4

(b) revenue-earning goods traffic car- 1987-88 257.3 ried by Indian Railways in different zones! divisions and its percentage of variation, 1988-89 27.3 209 ~AnsW8IS CHAJTRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Wrinen AnsMHS 210

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Quota 01 Berths at Visakhapatnam Mail and 45 East Coast express tor this station; and 4236. SHRI BHATTAM SRIRAMA MURTY: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (d) if so. u.s details thereof? pleased to stale: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) whether there is any proposal to MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI allow travelling from VlSakhapatnam to MADHAVRAO SCaNDIA): (a) No. Sir. Vtjayawada and va versa by Coramandal Super Fast Express and to issue tickets tOf (b) At present, there is no proposal 10 this purpose; increase the quota at Vishakapatnam by 314 Mail (there is no train as 34 UP Uaif). 1411 (b) whether there is also a proposal to 142 Coramandal Express and 7 Godavery increase quota of berths for Visakhapatnam Express. in 34 UP Mail. Coramandal Super Fast Express and Godavery Express trains; (c) and (d). The following reservation quotas are already being operated at (c) whether Government also propose Vishakapatnam by 314 train and 45 East to introduce reservation of berths for 34 UP Coast Express:

Train lAC A C2T 1sf Class lind Class

1 2 3 4 5

3 Up Howrah-Madras Mail 2 10 12 25

4 Dn Madras-Howrah Mail 8 3 6 7

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Assistance by Nationalised Banks to tions and their inability to repay the amount AgrlcuHural Labourers of loans.

4237. SHRt HET RAM: Will the Minister (d) if so. the steps taken by Government of FINANCE be pleased to state: in this dire(.tion; and (e) if answer to (c) above be in the (a) the average annual amount loaned negative, the reasons therefor? to the agricultural labourers by the nationalised banks during the last three years, year- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE wise; DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) the rate of interest charged on these EDUARDO FALEJRO): (a) The Reserve loans and the percentage of recovery of the Bank of India has reported that their present loans; data reporting system does not generate ~he information in respect of bank credit to agri- (e) whether ·Government propose to cuhural labourers. However. the data in waive the recovery of the balance amount of respect of out-standing advances-to agricul- the loans give to the agricultural labourers. ture by public sector banks for 3 year period considering the unheahhy economic condi- ended December 1988 is as under: 215 Wlitsn AnsWSIS UARCH 31,1989 Written AnsW91S 216

(Amt. in As. crores)

(Ales. in Iakh)

Year ended No. of Alcs. Balance outstanding

December 1986 168.58 1137.91

December 1987 188.07 11712.50

December 1988 203.87 13507.87

(b) The rates of interest for agricuhural advances at present are as under:

S.T. loan for Agricuhure Range of Advances Rate of Interest % P.A

a) Upto As 7500/- 10.00

b) Over As. 75001- and upto As 15000/- 11.50

c) Over As 15000/- and upto As 25000/- 12.00

d) over As. 25000/- 14.00 to 15.50

for loans for a period of not less than 3 (c) to (e). h has always been the consis- years the interest rate is as under: tent endeavour of the Banks that general- ised waivers of write-offs of loan obligations. For minor irrigation and land develop- without regard to the merits of each case ment 10% P.A. and for other purposes to harm the credit system and are not in the small farmers 10% P.A. and to other farmers best interests of the poor.However, neces- at 12.5% P.A. sary provisions already exist for providing relief to various categories of borrowers in The position regarding recovery in re- case of natural calamities and other adverse spect of direct agricultural advance for all exigencies and these are being invoked by Indian Scheduled Commercial Banks for the banks whenever deemed necessary. three year period ended June 1987 is as under: Railway Line Between Hassan and Tiptur Year ended June " of Recovery to Demand 4238. SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to 1985 54.2 slate:

1986 56.6 (a) whether any survey has been undertaken for laying a new broad gauge railway 1987 57.1 line between Hassan and Tlptur; 217 Written AnswetS CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 218

(b) if so, the estimated cost of the above (b) the reasons for which these are project; pending; and

(c) the steps taken by Government to (c) the time by which these schemes will lay this railway line; and be given approval?

(d) the amount earmatked for this work THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE during 1989-90? MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES (SHRIMATI KIRSHNA SAHI) : (a) to (c). THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Appraisal of Modernisation of Cauvery Delta MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI Phase-I has been completed and State MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) No, Sir. Engineers have been invited for clarifica- tions in respect of Anaimaduvu Reservoir (b) to (d). Do not arise. Scheme. As 75% work of Parambikulam Aliyar Ayacut extension and modernisation Concrete Sleeper Manufacture Unit of a periyar Viaigai Projects has been com- Rampurhat pleted the question of their appraisal does not arise. 4239. SHRI RAMSWAROOP RAM Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to Residential Building Inherited by UC state: Bombay

(a) whether any complaint has been 4241. SHRI SHARAD DIGHE : Will the received by the Railw.ay Board regarding the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Quality of sleepers and unfair practices used in manufacturing of concrete sleepers by the (a) the number of residential buildings firm MIs. Tankrete India (P) ltd., Rampurhat inherited by the Life Insurance Corporation on Eastern Railway ; and of India (L1C ) at Bombay on the day of nationalisation of life insurance; (b) if so, the action Government propose to take against this firm? (b) whether any of the tenements in these buildings are occupied by lIC employ- THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ees, past or present; MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) No, Sir. (c) it so, the details thereof;

(b) Does not arise. (d) whether there is demand by these lie employees to create tenancies in their Irrigation Projects pending for Approval names; and of Tamil Nadu (e) if so, the action takenlproposed to be 4240. SHRI P.R. S. VENKATESAN : taken by Government in this regard? Will the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STAtE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS (a) the details of the irrigation schemes IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI of Tamilnadu pending with Union govern- EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) There were ment, year-wise; about 110 residential buildings inherited by 219 MARCH 31,1989 Written AIlswets 220 the Corporation in the city of Bombay on the mana to remove anomaly in t1eating syn- day of nationaJisalion of life insurance busi- thetic pyrethroid intermediates carrying diI- ness. ferent rates of customs duty;

(b) and (c). Yes, Sir. There are about 50 (d) the different pesticides intermedi- employees who are occupying the premises ates on whK:h duty coocession was granted as tenants while 125 employees are occupy- within six months period preceding the ing as Iicencees on ~ave arKt licence basis budget through notifications; and as staif quarters. Out of these 50 employees who are occupying the premises as tenants, some were occupying the tenements in (e) how Government propose to give these buildings as tenants on or before na- relief to the similar types of intermediates of tionIlsaIion while some of them who were in pyrethroids still having higher rates of cus- the OCQapation of the premises in these toms duty? buildings belonging to erstwhile insurers prior to nalionaisation were given tenancy rights subsequently. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE ~ THE Cd) Yes, Sir. The life Insurance Corpo- MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. ration of kldia has been receiving requests PANJA): (a) to (e). Department of Chemicals from these employeesllicencees tor creat- and Petrochemicals have recommended ing tenancies in their names. from time to time customs duty changes in respect of specified pesticide intermediates. (e) The requAsts from the employees! Having regard to revenue and other ronsid- Iicencees to convert the premises in their erations, Government has issued during the oa:upation as quarters into tenancies were period 1.3.1988 to 28.2.1989, five notifica- considered by lie but it has not been found tions, namely, No. 16/88 Customs dated the justified 10 create such tenancies in their 1st March, 1988; No. 217/88 Customs, No. names. 218188 Customs and 219188-Customs all dated the 18th July, 1988 and No 287188- Customs Duty Concessions to Selected Customs dated the 6th October, 1988 giving Pesticides Intermediates customs duty concessions to specified pesticide intermediates. Copies of these notifi- 4242. SHAI KS. RAO: WiU the Minister cations had been duly laid on the table of the of FINANCE be pleased to slate: House.

(a) the Pesticides Intermediate recommended by the Department of Chemicals for During the last six months, one pesti- customs duty concession; cide intermediate, namely. L4etaphenoxy Benzaldehyde which is an intermediate for (b) the reasons for not giving customs the manufadure of synthetic pyrethroids, duty concession to selected pesticides inter- was exempted from additional duty of cus- mediate in order to give relief to the farmers; toms. There is no proposal at present to give duty to types interme- (c) the steps being taken by Govern- concession smilar of 221 WrittBn AnSwelS CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 222

Computerisatlon of Railway Reserva- enquiry has been conducted and necessary tions (Interlinklnp) action taken in this regard during 1987, 1988 and in the year 1989 so far and details of 4243. SHRI PRATAPRAO B. officers/employees against whom, action is BHOSALE: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS to be taken; and be pleased to state: (c) the details of the benami tr ansaction (a) whether it is a fact that Railways of properties in Delhi during 1987, 1988 and have booked the Calcutta computer termi- upto 15th March, 1989? nals with computerised system of Delhi; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, the details thereof; DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A7K. (c) whether the Railways propose to PANJA): (a) The Income-tax Department book other important cities computer termi- has been taking various measures for nals with computerised system of Delhi in checking evasion of direct taxes by under- the years ahead; statement of the real value of immovable properties. The steps taken inter-alia in- (d) if so, the details of cities selected clude: priority-wise; and (i) Reference to the Departmental (e) expenditure involved in the booking Valuation Cell to determine the of each city? fair market value of the immovable property. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINIS- TRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MADHAVRAO (ii) Searches and Surveys con- SCINDIA): (a) and (b). At present, four ducted by the department may terminals connected to the Calcutta reserva- also lead to the discovery of evi- tion system have been provided at New dence relating to the under- Statement of the value of im mov- Delhi and four terminals connected to the able properties. The searches Delhi computerised system have been in- conducted on 18.1.1989 in the stalled in Calcutta. cases of certain builders, devel- opers and real estate agents of (c) to (e). No decision has been taken. Delhi have resulted in the seizure of prima-facie ~nac [ Translation] counted assets of Rs. 3,37,03,591 and the assessees Unearthing of Black Money have surrendered unaccounted income of Rs. 1,03,93,600 dur- 4244. SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY: ing the course of the search. Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (iii) The provisions of Chapter XXC (introduced w.e.f. 1-10-86) em- (a) whether Government propose to power the Central Government unearth black money invested in properties with a pre-emptive right to pur- in Delhi and if so, the details of the action chase immovable properties in taken in this regard since January, 1986 to certain metropolitan cities in- date; cluding Delhi, where the disclosed apparent consideration (b) the number of police officers and exceeds Rs. 10 lakhs. During the Government employees against whom period January, 1988 upto Feb- 223 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written Answers 224

ruary, 1989, 31 properties were (a) the number of complaints received acquired in Delhi for an apparent regarding poor service and inferior quality of consideration of As. tood, tea and coffee during last six months; 10,10,33,820. Out of these, 21 and properties have been sold in public auction for Rs. (b) the dt1tails of action taken in this 7,86,94,000 as against the disregard? closed consideration of As. 5,48,06,495. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI (b) It is reported by the CBI that during MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b). Infor- the years 1987, 1988, 1989 (upto 15.3.89) mation is being collected and will be laid on searches were conducted by them at the the Table ot the Sabha. residential/office premises of 27 government officials posted in Delhi in connection Electrification of Jalarpettai-Erode with investigation of 27 cases registered Railway line against them. No police officer posted in Delhi was involved in the above cases. 4246. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (c) Instances regarding benami transaction of properties may come to notice (a) the funds allotted for the electrifica- during the course of assessment proceed- tion of Jalarpettai-Erode section during the ings. surveys, searches or proceedings u/s last three years, year-wise; 281 A of the Income-tax, 1961. Appropriate action under direct tax laws is taken in such (b) the amount spent on this project so cases. far, year-wise; and

[English] (c) the time by which the electrification work of the project is likely to be completed? Standard of Catering Service THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 4245. DR. PHULRENU GUHA: Will the MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: MADHAVRAO SCINDIA): (a) and (b).

(Amount in crores of Rs.)

Year Funds allotted Amount Spent

1967-68 3.37 2.60 (Year of approval)

1988-89 5.00 5.03 Upto Feb.'89

1989,90 14.00 (Proposed)

(c) During 8th plan. (a) whether the Commissioner for railways safety Secunderabad has submitted Enquiry Report on Derailment of his report on enquiry into the derailment of Brindavan Express Brindavan Express on 7 October, 1988 at Bangalore Cantonment; 4247. SHRI A. JAYAMOHAN: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the main findings thereof; 'and 225 CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) W,llten Answers 226

(c) the action taken thereon? ing to Central Bank of India, the last An India Service Test for promotion to OffICers' cadre THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (JMG Scale-I) selected have been released , MlNlSmy OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- and for the remaining it is being released HABIR PRASAD): (a) and (b). The Commis- shortly. sion of Railways Safety which is under the Ministry d Civil Aviation and Tourism is (c) and (e). The backlog in reservations currently conducting an inquiry into this for SC/ST under All India Service (Main accident. The FlIlal Report of the Commis- Stream) as reported by Central Bank of India sion has not been received as yet. has been as follows:

(c) Does not arise at this stage. Year Backlog SC ST Reservation for SCSISTS In Central Bank of India 1978 54 30

4248. DR P. VALLAL PERUMAN: 1981 61 50 SHRI SITARAM J. GAVALI: 1983 53 60 Will the Minister of FINANCE pleased to state: 1985 28 77

(a) when the Central Bank of India held 1987 52 the last All India Service Test for promotions to Officer Cadre; 1988 29 68

(b) whether all the candidates selected The bank has reported that most of the in All India Service. Test-1986 have been backlog in reservations are likely to be posted; if not, the reasons therefor and the cleared in the ensuing All India Service Test. expected date of their postings; (d) Yes, Sir. The next All India Test is (c) the year-wise and category-wise schepuled on 16.7.1"989. backlog of vacancies reserved for SCSfSTS under All India Service (Mainstream) and [ Translation] steps taken so far by the bank to complete the backlog; Assistance for Sone Canal System

(d) whether the Bank intends to hold the 4249. SHRI KUNWAR RAM: Will the next All India Service Test in 1989; if so, the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be details thereof; and pleased to state: (e) whether the backlog of SCIST vacancies under All India Service can be (a) the nature of assistance sought by completed without holding the exclusive test Bihar Government for the expansion/repairs for SCsJSTs; if so, the reasons why it could of Sone Canal System; and not be completed so far and the Bank's future strategy to fully complete the back- (b) the action taken by Government log? thereon?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) and (b). EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) and (b). Accord- The State Government has sought World 227 Writt9n Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written Answers 228

Bank assistance. They have to prepare (c) whether there is a proposal to c0n- identification report. vert the narrow and metre gauge lines into broad gauge in Maharashtra State, espe- [English] cially the Mantijapet-chalpur lines; and

Wat ... Supply at KeonJhar Tea Planta· (d) if so, the details thereof? tlon THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 4250. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN: Will MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to HABIR PRASAD): (a) Yes, Sir. state: (b) A survey for a new BG rail line (a) whether scarcity of water is posing between Amravati & Narkher is under con- a threat to tea plantation in Keonjhar district sideration. of Orissa; (c) and (d). In Maharashtra, the follow- (b) if so, the steps taken by Government ing two projects for conversion of existing to ensure water supply to those tea gardens; MG rail lines into BG have been approved. and (i) Manmad-Aurangabad- (c) the assistance given by his Ministry Parbhani-Parli Vaijnath: of the State Government to launch a water supply scheme to these areas? length - 345 km Anticipated cost - Rs 140 crore THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (ii) Parbhani-Purna-Mudkhed- DASMUNSI): (a) to (c). No such specific A dila bad problem with respect to existing tea plantations has been brought to the notice of either Length - 248 km this Ministry or Tea Board. A perennial Anticipated cost - Rs. 107.42 stream in the vicinity of Tea project area is crore the source of water supply. However, Tea Board has been operating two schemes viz. There is no proposal to convert Mur- Tea Machinery Hire Purchase Scheme and tajapur-Achalpur NG rail line into BG. Interest Subsidy on Bank Loans for purposes of meeting Irrigation needs. Expansion of Indo-US Trade

Railway Lines In Amravatl, Vidarbha 4252. SHRI SRIKANTHA DAIT A and Narkhed Region (Maharashtra) NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to 4251. SHRIMATI USHA CHAUDHRY: state: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (a) whether there is a great scope for the expansion of Indo-US trade; (a) whether Government have received representation from the State Government! people of Maharashtra to provide new rail- (b) whether Government have explored way lines in the State specialty Am ravati , the possibility to expand trade between the Vidarbha and Narkhed regions; two countries;

(b) if so, the details thereof and the (c) if so, the areas "identified therefor; steps taken in this regard; and 229 Written AnSW91S CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) ~rm9nAnsW9~ 230

(d) the details of the plan drawn up in (a) whether the number of rr,issing this regard? wagons destined for Bombay has been on the increase; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (b) if so, the details thereof for the last DASMUNSI): (a) to (d). The major trust three years; sectors identified in the Plan, prepared some time ago. for increasing exports to the USA (c) how long it takes to trace them and are: Engineering Products, Bactronic Prod- how many were finally declared lost; ucts including Computer Software, Chemi- cals, leather & Leather Products, Dia- (d) the loss incurred for each missed monds, Gems & Jewellery, Readymade wagons; and Garments, Carpets and Durries, Marine Products, Cashewnuts and Processed (e) the steps being taken to improve the Foods. Emphasis has been laid on upgrada- situation? tion of quality of products and product-adap- tation to meet the requirements of US consumers. The marketing and publicity pro- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE grammes envisaged include Buyer-seller MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MAHABI meets, participation in specialised and gen- PRASAD): (a) Yes, Sir. eral fairs and exhibitions, Departmental Store promotion programmes, and ex- (b) to (d). A statement is give below. changes of delegations.

Missing of Wagons on Western Railway (e) Efforts are made be ensure that wagons move with proper labels and seal 4253. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: Will cards. In case these are lost en-route, the the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to wagon is not allowed to move further until the st*: correct destination is found out. STATEMENT

Year No. of missing No. of wagons Time taken Average loss wagons declaredlost for tracing of the suffered for wagon lost wagon

1986-87 47 14 15 to 20 days Rs. 29,00

1987-88 60 5 Rs. 24,800

1988-89 95 10 Rs. 23,000 (upto 23rd March '89)

N.B. These pertain to wagons booked to good sheds in greater Bombay area on Western Railway.

Assistance by Banks to Women (a) whether some cases have come to Enterpreneurs the notice of Government where women entrepreneurs were refused bank loans or 4254. SHRI A.M. BHOVE: Will the where granting of loans to women entrepre- Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: neurs was delayed; 231 Written Answel5 MARCH 31, 1989 Written AnswetS 232

(b) if SO, the details thereof and the and duly registered under the Co-operative reasons therefor; and Societies Ad. and to State Civil Supplies CorporationlState Co-operatives FedeFa- (c) the steps Government propose to tions and 10 National Consumers C0- take to ensure easy availability of bank credit operative Federation for saJe to bonafide to women entrepreneurs? consumers though the Consumers C0- operative Societies, Super Bazars, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Sahakari Bhandars etc. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) Does not arise. EDUARDO FALEJRO): (a) and (b). Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has reported that it has Loan From Foreign Agencies by Private no information regarding any complaint Industrial Units having been made for non-sanction or causing delay in the matter of sanction of loans to 4256. SHRI PARASRAM BHARDWAJ: women entrepreneurs. However, women Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to borrowers like any other borrowers can state: approach the bank for financial assistance for any viable productive endeavour. There (a) whether private industrial units are are standing instructions which require that allowed to receive loans directly from foreign complaints relating to refusal of bank loans agencies; or delay in granting of bank loans to individuals including women entrepreneurs be (b) whether the sanction of Union looked into for remedial action. Government is needed for such purposes; and (c) RBI have instructed all convenor banks of State Level Bankers Committees (c) whether Government regulate such (SLBCs) that the performance of banks in transaction and also keep a check on the the maner of extension of credit to women loans received by the private industrial entrepreneurs should be reviewed in all the units? SLBC meetings and remedial action wherever necessary should be taken. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Disposal of COnfiscated Goods IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Yes, Sir. 4255. SHRI PARASRAM BHARDWAJ: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (b) Yes, Sir. s~ate: (c) Yes, Sir. The Government allows (a) whether Government also propose private sector companies to borrow from to dispose the confiscated goods through abroad on a selective basis according to a Super Bazars; and set of guidelines for the purpose. The Re- serve Bank of India also monitors the re- (b) if not, the difficulties being faced in ceipts and repayments. this regard? Loans Advanced by Financiallnstitu- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE lions for Projects in Backward Areas in· DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE Kerala MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. PANJA): (a) Confiscated consumer goods 4257. SHRI MULLAPPAlLY RAMA- are sold to all Co-operative Societies ap- CHNDRAN: Will the Minister of FINANCE proved by Central and State Governments be pleased to state: 233 Written AnSWBI5 CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written AnsW91S 234

(a) the total amount of loans extended DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS by financial institutions during 1987 and IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 1988 for projects in backward areas in Ker- EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Avail- ala; and able details of total assistance sanctioned and disbursed by All-India Financiallnstitu- tions (lOBI, IFCI, ICICI, IRBI. L1C, UTI & Gle) (b) the corresponding figures in the to projects located in backward areas in whole country? Kerala as also in all the States during the years 1986-87 and 1987-88 are set out be- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE low:

(Rs. in crores) 1986-87 1987-88

Sanctions 2700.00 75.21 3029.79 95.50

Disbursements 1890.70 47.93 2265.87 63.54

Rural Credit Delivery System IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Reserve 4258. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: Bank of India (RBI) has taken several steps Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to to strengthen the institutional credit delivery state: system in rural areas since the nationalisation of major banks in the year 1969. Some (a) whether the present rural cred~ of the impoltant measures taken by RBI are delivery system is faulty and there are snags increasing banking facilities in rural areas by in the flow of institutional credit to the rural opening of more branches, introduction of sector; and lead bank scheme for the planned growth of the rural sectors, setting up of regional rural (b) rt so, the steps Government propose banks for meeting the credit need of the to take to improve the delivery system and target group in rural areas, fixation of target tone up the rural economy? for priority sectors and wider sections in bank credit. As a result of these measures, the flow of credit 10 rural areas has increased THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE considerably as may be seen from the data DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS given below: (Rs. in crores)

June, 1969 Sept. 1988

Total Priority Sector advances of public sector banks (outstandings) 441 30194

% to total credit 14.6 46.3

Direct Advances to agriculture (PubliC Sector Banks) 116 11112

% to total credit 1.3 16.9 235 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written AnswBlS 236

A new apprOach in rural lending viz. policies including policies taken under Sal- Service Area Approach is being launched ary Savings Scheme to the Branch Offices with sffed from 1.4.1989, wherein every and also introduced micro-processors to village will be allocated to a specific rural or improve the services to the policyholders. semi-urban branch for the purposes of credit planning and credit deployment. Meeting with NRIS on Industrial Development lapsing of Ufelnaurance Corporation Policle. 4260. SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 4259. SHRI ATISH CHANDRA SINHA: state: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (a) whether any meeting has taken place between Government and the Non- (a) whether quite a good number of Resir:lent Indians on industrial development; insurance policies obtained by employees of and different organisations from Life Insurance Corporation of India (LlC) are getting lapsed (b) if so, the details thereof so far as the for w~nt of administrative action both on the question of facilities for Non-Resident Indi- part of employers concerned and the L1C; ans is concerned?

(b) whether the employees who are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE· transferred from one place to another after DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS obtaining policies under the LlC's salary IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI saving scheme are not provided proper EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) No, Sir. service by the L1C; (b) Does not arise. (c) if so, the facts thereof and the percentage of policies taken under the Standard of Catering Services above scheme of L1C which lapsed during last three years; and 4261. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the Min- ister of RAIL WA YS be pleased to state: (d) the steps proposed to be taken to allow continuation of such policies and/or (a) wether Government are aware that proper servicing of such policies? the passengers do not get fresh eatables at railways stations and canteens on Southern THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Railway; DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) whether any investigations have EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). No, Sir. been made into the catering services at The procedure in vogue in L1C for deducting railway stations on Southern Railway in premium from the salaries of the employees recent times; and concerned (before or after transfer) under its Salary Savings Scheme works very well and (c) if so, the details thereof? prevents lapsation to a great extent. No separate data are maintained by L1C about THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE lapses in respect of policies taken under MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- Salary Savings Scheme. HABIR PRASAD): (a) to (c). Only one such complaint came to notice recently. subse- (d) ihe existing system works sat~sfac quent surprise checks were made which torily. However, ~;,e Corporation has decen- revealed no such irregularity. Such checks tralised to a large extent the servicing of and inspections are made from time to time 237 Written AnSWBlS CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnSW91S 238 to ensure 5UPP'v of fresh eatables and better Service have been sought for on 23rd Janu- service. ary. 1989. Comments of the State Govern- ment have not been received. AppoIntment of Notary and Oath Commissioners Export of Granite

4262. SHRI N. DENNIS: WiU tbe Min- 4264. SHRJ N. DENNIS: Will the Min- ister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased 10 ister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: state: (a) whether granite stones are ex- (a) whether there is a retirement age tor ported; Notary and Oath Commissioners; (b) if so, the details thereof, State-wise: (b) whether retired Government ser- and vants are appointed as Notary and Oath Commissioners; and (c) the quantity exported during the last three years by these States? (c) whether any investigation has been conducted into their appointments in recent THE MlNlSTER OF STATE IN THE times? MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DASMUNSI): (a) to (c). State-wise export THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE statistics are nat compiled by DGCI&S. MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI Calcutta. However, granite is basically _- H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) No, SIr. ported from Madras and Mangalore Ports.. Exports of granite cut blocks and polished (b) There is no legal bar to appointment granite durmg the last 3 years were as under: of retired Government servants as Notary or Oath Commissioners. Year Quantity (in '000' Tonnes) (c) No investigation has been conducted by the Central Government in recent 1985·86 336.35 times. 1986·87 362.55 All India Judicial Service 1987 ·88 349.00 4263. SHRI N. DENNIS: WIll the MIn- (Provisional) ister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state:] Overdraft by States

(a) whether an All India Judicial service 4265. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: is to be constituted shortly; Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (b) the States which have agreed to this scheme; and (a) the amount of overdraft of each State GovernmentlUnion Territory with the (c) the States which have opposed? Reserve Bank of Ind ia as on 1 January 1987, 1 January 1988 and 1 January, 1989; THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- TICE AND MINISTER OF WATER RE· SOURCES (SHRI B. SHANKARANAND): (b) the interest payable on overdraft by (a) to (c). The views of the State Govern- Government on Administration concerned; ment on the creation of All India Judicial and 239 MARCH 31.1989 Written Answers 240

(c) the amounl coIeded by Reserve Reserve Bank of India on overdrafts of a Bank 01 IncIa in respect of such inl8f'esI Stale Government are 10% for the first during the financial year 1987-88 and the seven days and 13% from the eighth day. period AprI-December. 19881

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) The amount of interest oolleded by DEPARTMENT OF EXPENDITURE IN THE Reserve Bank of India on overdrafts of State MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI B.K Governments during 1987-88 was As. 1.86 GADHVI): (a) A statement is given below. cmres and during April to December, 1988, (b) The rates 01 interest charged by As. 2.29 crores. STATEMENT

fRs. in crores) Amount of overdraft

1st Januwy. 1987

Kamataka 5.43

1st January, 1988

Kamataka 30.52

Maharashtra 45.57

2nd January. 1989 (1 st January being Sunday)

Gujaral 26.35

Madhya Pradesh 11.61

Mizoram 2.21

Rajasthan 56.80

Tamil Nadu 29.65

Smuggling Along Indo-Nepal Border (c) the number of prosecutions launched by the Customs authorities, year- 4266. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN: wise; and Will the Minister of FINANCE be pJeased to slate: (d) the number of persons convicted upto 31 December. 1a~8? (a) the number of smugglers arrested in the border districts of U.P., Bihar, Bengal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and Sikkim along the Indo-Nepal border DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE during the last three years, year-wise; MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. PANJA): (a) to (d). The number of persons (b) the details of smuggled goods re- arrested, the value of contraband goods covered, year-wise; seized and the number of prosecutions 241 CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) launched by the Customs authorties and the bolder districts of Bihar. Uttar Pradesh, number of persons oonvicted during the last Bengal and Sikkim along the lndo-NepaI 1hree years of 1986. 1987 and 1988 in the border are given below:

1986 1987 1988 1986

Number of persons arrested 301 261 298

Goods seized (As. in crores) 8.95 12.88 16.60

Number of prosecutions launched 48 81 40

Number of persons convicted upto 31.12.1988 10 12 11

Export of Shrimp to Japan (iii) MIs. Kadalkanny Frozen Foods, Tuticorin. 4267. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: WiD the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to (iv) MIs. Bay Sea Food Explorers & state: Associates Pvt. Ud., Calcutta

(a) whether contaminated shrimps (v) MIs. G.F. Kenner & Co. Ltd .• were exported by certain Indian exporters to Calcutta. Japan; Action had been taken by the Govern- (b) if so, the names of the concerns ment against these five firms, debarring involved there in and the action (aken them from exporting marine products. These against them; firms, however, obtained stay orders from High Courts against the debarment. (c) wether it has made any affect on the export of marine products, if so, the details (c) No, Sir. thereof, and (d) Steps taken by the Government to (d) the steps being taken to ensure ensure export of only good quality marine export of only good quality marine products? products include stringent quality control inspection by the Export Inspection Agency THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to meet the standards stipulated by the MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. importing countries and upgrading and im- DASMUNSI): (a) Reports of cholera con- proving the quality of the products through tamination was received by the Government acquisition of latest machinery and equip- in fIVe cases of exports of marine products to ment. Japan in 1986. [ Translation] (b) the names of the concerns involved in the exports are: Investigation into Economic Offences

0) Ws.ITC Ltd., Calcutta. 4268. SHRIDALCHANDERJAIN: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (ii) Mis. G.A. Randerian Ltd., Calcutta (a) the nal!les of agencies other than 243 Wrlten AnSWBIS MARCH 31,1989 Wtiki,l AnswetS 244

Directorate of Revenue InteJligence and !krigation Potentia. of AlP. Enforcement Directorate which investigate into economic offences; and 4269. SHRI OAl CHANOERJAIN: WiD the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be pleas&d 10 state: (b) the details in this regard? (a) file irrigation potent iaJ ofthe country, State-wise; Bnd THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE (b) the steps being taken to hamass MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. irrigation potential in Madhya Pradesh? PANJA): (a) and (b). Apart from the Director- ate of Revenue Intelligence and Enforce- THE MlNISI11iR OF STATE IN THE ment Diredorate, economic offences are MINISTRY OF \WATER RESOURCES investigated by the following Agencies: (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) The information is given ,m:the ~~ment bebw~

,Central Economic Intelligence Bureau, (b) Againstfhe ~himate irrigation poten- Directorate of Ant~-Evasion, Directorate of tia1 of 10200 tn.ha. ,of Madhya Pradesh. ~, Custom ~uses, Customs about 4245 th.ha. hasbeeflcreated uptottle PNventWe Cojlectoratesand Central Excise end m1987-88. A number of major I medium Collectorates. All these ~ncies are em- and minor irrigation projects are under con- power. to inves1igate in:t0 .economic of- struction with a view to adlieve the balance fences under the relevant Acts. potential.

STATEMENT

('OOOha.)

S.No. 'Name of the State U/timaJ.e Irrigation Potential

2 3

1. Andhra Pradesh 9200

2. Arunachal Pradesh 26()

3. Assam 2670

4. Bihar 12400

5. Goa 20

6. Gujarat 4750

7. Haryana 4550

8. Himachal Pradesh 335

9. Jammu & Kashmir 800

10. Karnataka 4600 245 Wnlt8n AnSMH'S CHAITRA 1'0, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 246

1 2 3

11. Kerala 2100

12. Madhya Pradesh 10200 f3. Maharashtra 7300

14. Manipur 240

15. Meghalaya 120

16. Mizoram 70

17. Nagaland 90

18. Orissa 5900

19. Punjab 6550

20. Rajasthan 5150

21. Sikkim 42

22. Tamil Nadu 3900

23. Tripura 215

24. Uttar Pradesh 25700

25. West Bengal 6110

Total States 113272

U.Ts 250

Grand Total 113522

Manufacture 01 Coaches tion of passengers;

4270. SHRI DAL CHANDER JAIN: (c) the number thereof at present; Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (d) the class-wise number of coaches being manufactured by coach factories at (a) the number of coach factories pro- present; and posed in the Eighth Five Year Plan; (e) the number of passenger coaches (b) the estimated requirement at withdrawn from service during last three coaches during Eighth Plan for transporta- years? 247 MARCH 31.1989

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Passenger coadung B.G. D.GO MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI UA- vehicles HABR PRASAD): (a) and (b). The Eighth 17987 8246 Five Year Plan has not yet been finalised. Olher coaching yebijes 4520 2605 Total' 22507 10851 (c) The holding of coaches as on (d) following number of maches are 31.3.88 was as under. being manufactured during 1988-89: S.No. Type 01 Coaches No. 01 coaches

1. BGt£lectric Multiple Units 158

2. B.G.lA.C. coaches 76

3. BG,Ordinary II 385

4. BGtOrdinary II Sleeper 365

5. BGIII Class luggage & brake van 211

6. BGIMGIInspection carriages 15

7. MGlAC coaches 20

8. MGlIl Class ordinary coaches 132

9. MGIII Class 3-tier 205

10. MGlIl Class luggage & brake van 75

Total: 1642

(a) The following number of coaches had been condemned during the last three years:

Year BG MG Total

1985-86 899 442 1341

1986-87 1090 417 1507

1987-88 953 446 1399

Total: 2942 1305 4247

Facilities 10 Employees of Gramin the Himachal Gramin Bank and the Banks Injured in Accidents Singhbhum Gramin Bank who laced accident during office hours and/or while on 4271. DR. SUDHIR ROY: Will the office duty; Minister d FINANCE be pleased to state: (b) whether these regional rural banks (a) the particulars of the employees of have allowed special leave and reimburse- 249 Wnlten AnsMHS CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswtHS 2SO ment of medical expenses to them as per (a) whether Government are aware of rules;a~ the death of two branch managers and loss of both the eyes of one branch manager of (c) if not, the decision of Government in gramin banks during bank robberies; this regard? (b) the steps taken by Government for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE effective implementation of Govemment DEPARTMENT ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN Older on security or guidennes issued by THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI NamoaJ Bank for Agriculture and Rural EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). The infor- Development (NAnARD). Hyderabad in mation is being collected and to the extent case of gramin banks; available will be laid on the Table of the House. (c) whether in view of such incidents Government have advised Reserve Bank of establishment Expenses of Regional India/sponsoring banks to introduce risk Rural Banks insurance in gramin banks; and

4272. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Wdl (d) the other steps taken by govern- the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to stale: ment in this regat.:l?

(a) the ratio of the establishment ex- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE penses and other expenses of the regional DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS rural banks in relation to the total expendi- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ture from the year 1986; and EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) NABARD have reported that One Branch Manager of Gur- (b) the number of regional rural banks daspur-Amritsar Gramin Bank was killed which are not running in losses, even on zero while on field duty. Another Branch Manager based salary? of Magadh Gramin Bank survived the buRet injuries sustained by him and yet another THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Branch Manger of Faizabad Gramin Bank DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS lost his both eyes while resisting dacoits. IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) NABARD has (b) NABARD have asked the Regional reported that the ratio of establishment Rural Banks to instal security sirens in expenses to total expenses of Regional vulnerable branches. In addition RRBs have Rural Banks for the years 1986 and 1987 been advised to employ armed guards in was 42.04% and 41.23% respectively and risk areas. that of other expenses to total expenses was 57.96% and 58.n% respectively. (c) and (d). While no guidelines as such have been issued regarding the introduction (b) Of the 196 Regional Rural Banks, 45 of risk insurance in Gramin Banks, the RRBs made profits during 1987. Exclusion of ex- have been advised to implement group in- penditure on account of salaries of employ- surance scheme in resped of their staff on ees during the year would adcl another 138 the pattern of Central Government Employ- Regional Rural Banks to the list of profit ees' Group Insurance Scheme. making banks. Criteria for Creation of Posts In Re- Bank Robberies In Gramin Banks gional Rural Banks

4373. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Will 4274. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARlA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: 251 Written AnswelS MARCH 31,1989 Written Answ81S 252

(a) the aiteria fixed by sponsoring IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI banks (bank-wtse) for the creation of post of EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). The Second Clerk, Senior Clerk, Second Officer appointment and promotion of Officers and and other posts for branches of their spon- other employees in Regional Rural Banks sored regional rural banks; and are done in accordance with the rules issued in September, 1988. NABARD had reported (b) whether Government have any that complaints of supersession in the mat- consideration for uniform manpower plan- . ter of promotions when received are looked ning and gradation of Regional rural Banks into for necessary appropriate action. branches;' if so, the details thereof? Kutru an.d Barsoor Branches of Bastar THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Gramin Bank DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI 4276. SHRI ANIL BASU: Will the EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) NABARD has Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: reported that while guidelmes have been issued regarding minimum staff for a new (a) whether Kutru branch of the Bastar branch of RRB and also for the creation of Gramin Bank covers about ninety villages additional posts of various categories, the and Barsoor branch of the Bank covers four total assessment of manpower require- blocks under Service Area Approach; and ments is done by the RRB in consultation with its sponsor bank having regard to the (b) whether Government and the Re- business/regional requirements, adminis- serve Bank of India consider it in line with trative needs, area of operation and ~s finan- their policy? cial position. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) Since RRBs are functioning in differ- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS ent geographical and socia-economic con- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ditions, prescription of uniform staffing pat- EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Reserve Bank of tern for all RRBs has not been considered India (RBI) has reported that Kutru and feasible. Barsoor branches of Bastar Regional Rural Bank have been allotted 83 villages (1 block) Promotion Rules in Regional Rural and 88 villages (4 blocks) respectively in Banks Bastar District under Service Area Approach on the basis of contiguity, proximity, etc. 4275. SHRI ANIL BASU: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (b) RBI has reported that under Service Area Approach each rural and semi-urban (a) whether "Non-selection" Rule as branch of a bank has to be allocated on an suggested by Government to National Bank average from 15 to 25 villages fas its service for Agriculture and Rural Development area. In ases where the number of villages (NABARD) and guidelines of NABARD allocated has exceeded the above norm, dated 1 December, 1987 are being followed more centres will be identified for opening of in the Regional Rural Banks in case of pro- additional br~nches. motions; and Application of Pepsico for 100% EOU (b) if not, the action taken by NABARD 4277. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- on receipt of representations in this regard, WARI: Regional Rural Bank-wise. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU: SHRI S.B. SIDNAL: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will tne Minister of COMMERCE be DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS pleased to state: 253 CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 254

(8) whether MIs. Pepsico India Hold- ligations by officers of CBI during February ings Inc., New York has applied for manufac- 1989 indicate the possession of assets al- ture of proprietary compound used in prepa- legedly disproportionate to their known rations of non-alcoholic beverages under sources of income by the following four offi- 100 per cent export oriented unit scheme: cers of the Collectorate of Customs and Central Excise, Tiruchirapalli: (b) if so, the details thereof; 1. Shri M. C. Sharma, Collector of (c) the place where the unit will be put Customs and Central Excise, up; and . Tiruchirapalli.

(d) the export turnover expected 2. ShriA.R. Prasad, AssistantCollec- therefrom by MIs. Pepsico? tor of Customs and Central Excise, Tiruchirapalli. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. 3. Shri Angamuthu, Inspector, Cen- DASMUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir. tral Excise, Tiruchirapalli.

(b) to (d) The proposed annual capac- 4. Shri K.P. Viswanathan, Inspector ity of the plant is 11 00 tennes and the project Central Excise, Tiruchirapalli Fur- is proposed to be located in Bhawanigarh ther investigations by CSI are in T ehsil of Sangrur District in the Stc:.te of progress. Punjab. As per the application, the anticipated export turnover during a five year (b) and (c). A complaint was received in period will be about Rs. 24 crores. 1986 by the Collectorate of Central Excise and Customs, Tiruchirapalli, against the Customs Officers Assistant Collector mentioned in reply to part (a) above, alleging demand of illegal 4278. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Will the gratification, which, on enquiry, was found Minister of FINANCE be pleased to siate: unsubstantiated. Further, a report regarding clearance' of baggage goods at the Trichy (a)" the number of Customs officers Airport by undercharging of Customs duty by working in Madras, Trichy and Hyderabad the two Inspectors mentioned in reply to part separately who have been found in posses- (a) above was enquired into, but no conclusion of assets both movable and immovable sive proof of undercharging of duty could be far beyond their known income in the month found. The two Inspectors, however, were of February 1989 giving details thereof; transferred out of the Trichy Airport.

(b) whetherlhe earlier record of these Corruption Charges Against STC officers was good; and Officials

.(c) if not, the action taken against 4279. SHRI SURESH KURUP: Willthe them? Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE (a) whether CSI has recommended MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. action against any of the STC officials for PANJA): (a) No Customs offICer working at corruption charges; Madras or Hyderabad has been found to possess movable or immovable assets in (b) if so, the particulars thereof; and excess of his kl10wn source of income during February 1989. However, preliminary inves- (c) the action taken by Government in 255 Written Answers MARCH 31.1989 256 this regard? (SlOB I) to cater 10 the financial needs of smaD scale and tiny industries. Details relat- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ing to this are being worked out MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DASMUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir. [ Translation)

(b) During the last five years, CBI rec- Grievances of Small Scale Units ommended action against 8 officials of STC as under: 4282. SHRI Y.S. MAHAJAN: Wi" the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: i) Prosecution -Two officials (a) whether the three national industry organisation, Federation of Small Industries ii) Prosecution as well as -Two officials of India (FASU). AU India Manufacturing regular Departmental Organisation (AlMa) and National Alliance action for imposition of of Young Enterpreneurs (NA YE) have repre- major penalty. sented to Government against withdrawal of the excise exemption facility tor many items iii} Regular Departmental -One officials produced in small units and effective reduc- Action for imposition of tion in the excise exemption limit of Rs. 30 Major penalty. lakhs apart from the impact of fresh levy on Iron and Steel and aluminium materials on iv) Regular Departmental-ThreeoHicials the cost of production of goods manufac- Action for imposition of tured in the smaU sedor; and Minor penalty. (b) it so, the steps taken or proposed to (c) In all the cases, recommendations be taken by Government to redress the 01 CBI have been accepted by the discipli- grievances of small scaie units? nary authority and action has been initiated accordi ngly. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN DE- PARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINIS- Setting up of Small Industries Develop- TRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K PANJA): (a) ment Bank Representations from various associations of small scale industries have been received 4281. SHRI Y.S. MAHAJAN: Will the regarding the cHanges made in the Budget Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: relating to the sman scale sector.

(a) the time by which the Small Indus- (b) The points made in the representa- tries Development Bank is likely to be set up; tions are being exam;ned by the Govern- ment. (b) the causes of delay in setting up the Bank; and [ Trans/ation]

(c) the steps taken or proposed to be Proposal to Unk Jaipur, Jodhpur, taken for setting up the Bank early? Jaisalmer, Banner and Kandla

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4283_ SHRI VlRDH' CHANDER JAIN: DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI state: EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). Govern- ment have decided to estabijsh a Small (a) whether the Ministry has sent any Industries Development Bank of India proposal of recommendation to the Planning 257 Written Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 258

Commission to link Jaipur, Jodhpur, Jais- DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE almer, Sarmer and Kandla with broad gauge MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. railway line; PANJA): (a) to (d). Yes, sir. Draft agreement on bilateral co-operation, covering all as- (b) if so, the salient features of the pects of drug tr~fficking and drug ::tbuse has above proposals or recommendation; and been exchanged between th~ Governments of U.S.A. and India. As soon as the agree- (c) the details of decision taken by the ment is finalised, the same will be signed. Planning Commission in this regard? The details of the agreement, which are in their nature secret, cannot be divulged at this THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE stage. MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- HABIR PRASAD): (a) to (c). Surveys were A number of aggressive counter-meas- carried out for various alternative routes ures have also been launched by the Gov- along the existing MG lines to link Jaisalmer ernment WhiCh, inter-ali(], include provision and Barmerwith BG. The Planning Commis- of deterrent punishments against drug traf- sion, after considering the proposals, di- fickers, strengthening of preventive and in- rected that a Final Location Survey for gauge telligence machinery (especially in and conversion of Sawaimadhopur-Jaipur-Phul- around borders and vulnerable areas), era-Merta Road-Jodhpur and Merta Road- adoption of a liberallsed reward scheme for Lalgarh (Bikaner), as the first phase for link- both officers and informers, strengthening of ing Jaisalmer-Barmer with broad gauge, be bilateral co-operation between neighbour- carr ied out. ing countries (including regional cooperation under the aegis of SAARC). The No proposals have been sent to the Prevention of Iliicit Traffic in Narcotic Drug Planning Commissionfor linking Kandla with and Psychotropic Substances Act, 1988 broad gauge, as it is already on bread provides for preventive detention upto a gauge. maximum period of 2 years for drug-related crimes. 250 persons have so far been de- [English] tained under the said Act.

Indo-US Agreement to Combat Narcot- The Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic ics Trafficking Substances Act, 1985 has also been amended to strengthen it further. The 4284. SHRI V. SREENIVASA amendments, inter-alia, included provisions PRASAD: Will the Minister of FINANCE be for forefeiture of illegally acquired property pleased to state: derived from or used in illicit drug trafficking; criminalising the activity of financing drug (a) whether India and United States trafficking and for death penalty on second have agreed to combat the trafficking in conviction for specified offences. narcotics jointly; Loan From International Fund for (b) if so, whether any agreement in this Agricultural Development regard has since been made; 4285. SHRI VAKKOM PU- (c) if so, the details of the agreement; RUSHOTHAMAN: Will the Minister of FI- and NANCE be pleased to state:

(d) the measures proposed to be (a) the amount to be contributed to- adopted to combat this menace? wards the third replenishment of the Interna- tional Fund for Agricu~ural Development THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (IFAD); 259 Writtsn AnSW91S MARCH 31, 1989 Written Answers 260

(b) whether the contribution is to be Union Territories. When it was noticed by paid in Indian currency or foreign exchange; RBI and NABARD that some cooperative banks were not fully complying with their (c) the amount of contributions made instructions relating to interest rates, conver- earlier; and sion of loans etc. then NABARD vide its circular dated 29th November, 1988 ad- (d) the total assistance so far received? dressed to the Managing Directors of all such State Cooperative Banks and State THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Land Development Banks, withheld refi- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS nance facilities till an undertaking is fur- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE: (a) and nished by the concerned institutions that (b). While India has agreed in principle to they would follow the instructions/guidelines contribute towards the Third Replenishmant issued by the RBI/NABARD. of the International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD), the amount of con~ri NABARD had reported that refinance but ion and the proportion of contribution in facilities were resumed in all States, except '1reely convertible" and "non convertible" in Maharashtra since undertaking from the currencies would depend on the size of apex bank of this State was still awa~ed. replenishment and the relative contribution 0' other individual member countries. Loan From IMF

(c) India has so far contributed $ 18 4287. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- million in equal proportion of '1reely convert- WARI: Will the Minister of FINANCE be ible" and "non convertible" currencies. pleased to state:

(d) India has so far secured a loan (a) whether the International Monetary commitment of $ 195.066 million from IFAD Fund has anticipated additional major de- for six projects. mands from India for loans in the nineties;

Nabard Guidelines on Agricultural (b) if so, the total demands made by Credit India from the IMF during 1989-90;

4286. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: (c) the amount of loan assured by the Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to IMF; and state: (d) the projects that will be undertaken (a) whether the agriculturists seeking by the scheme? cred~ face grave hardships due to new guidelines of NABARD regarding credit fa- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cilities; and DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) if so, whether the new guidelines will EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (d). There is be reviewed in the interest of agriculturists? no proposal under Government's considera- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tion for seeking a fresh loan from IMF. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Saudi Arabian Offer to Indian Entrepre- EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). The neurs Hon'ble Member is presumably referring to 4288. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES· the decision of National Bank for Agriculture WARI: and Rural Development (NABARD) regard- SHRI SHANTILAL PATEL: ing withholding of refinance facilities in re- Will the Minister of COMMERCE be spect of cooperative banks in some Statesl pleased to state: 261 Written Answers CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 262

(a) whether Saudi Arabia has invited (c) the likely effect of the assistance on Indian entrepreneurs to invest in that coun- the growtr Of tea industry? try; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so. the details of concessional DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS financial proposals made by Saudi Arabia; IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Re- (c) the number of Indian entrepreneurs serve Bank of India has reported that the who have applied in response thereto; quantum of production finance to tea industry as a whole is not fixed year-wise. Thetotal (d) whether Government also propose credit limits sanctioned to those tea units to have a joint venture in the Saudi Arabia; which are having more than one erore limit and each were Rs. 313.17 crores at the end of June. 1988. The balance outstanding in (e) if so, the details thereof? these acc~)Unts as on that date was Rs. 185.06 crores. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (c) As per the projections made by DASMUNSI): (a) to (e). A delegation of United Planters' Association of southern businessmen from Saudi Arabia visited In- India, tea production in 1989 is likely to be 15 dia from 26th February, 1989 to 5th March, million Kgs. more than the estimated figures 1989 at the invitation of the Federation of for 1988. Indian Chambers of Commerce and Indus- try. The delegation inter-alia discussed with Seizure of Gold in Bombay and Kerala the Indian businessmen possibilities of setting-up of joint ventures in Saudi Arabia and 4290. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: India. Bilateral matters concerning trade and SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH investment were also discussed. The Saudi MALIK: Arabian delegation mentioned about the incentives and financial support offered by Will the Minister of FINANCE be the Government of Saudi Arabia and finan- pleased to state: cial institutions for setting upof joint ventures in Saudi Arabia. No specific offer for conces- (a) whether the Directorate of Revenue sienal finance was however made by the Intelligence seized gold worth Rs. 7 crora at Saudi delegation. two places (Bombay and Kerala);

Possibilities of setting-up joint ventures (b) if so, the details thereof; in Saudi Arabia are explored on continuous basis. (c) whether any arrest has been made;

Financial Assistance to Tea Industry (d) whether any inquiry has since been made; and

4289. SHRIMATI BASAVARAJES- (e) if so, the outcome thereof? WARI: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTM ENT OF THE REVENUE IN THE (a) whether the amount of financial MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. assistance to the tea industry by commercial PANJA): (a) and (b). The Officers of the banks during 1989 has been finalised; Directorate of Revenue ,ntel\igence have in three separate cases seized approximately (b) ~ so, the details thereof; and 593 Kgs. of gold worth Rs. 19.45 crores ~ ~ 263 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Wflllen Answers 264

(Approximately) in Bombay and Kerala dur- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ing February, 1989. MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRJ MA- HABIR PRASAD): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) 19 persons have been arrested in these cases. (b) to (d). Train on New Delhi-Kanpur route has been introduced with effect from (d) and (e). Enquiries are conducted in 24.3.89. Besides deployment of additional such cases and section 124 of the Customs rolling stock. no other inputs on mainte- Act, 1962 stipulates that a Show cause no- nance of infrastructure were necessary for tice should be issued to the persons trom the New Delhi-Kanpur inter-city express. No whose possession the gold has been seized final decision has yet been taken in respect before it is confiscated. The persons found of other routes. The integrity expresses will involved are liable for penalty in departmen- reduce journey-time and provide more tal adjudication and prosecution in Courts of comfortable inter·city travel. law. Cracks in Dams

Introduction of Fast Trains 4292. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH 4291. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: MALIK: SHRI P.M. SAYEED: SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: SHRI KAMLA PRASAD RA- WAT: W,ll the MInister of WATER RE- SHRI BANWARI LAL PURO- SOURCES be pleased to state: HIT: SHRI DHARAM PAL SINGH (a) whether the reasons for the cracks MALIK: reported to have developed in the Tigra Dam SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: in Madhya Pradesh, Konar Dam of Damodar SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: Valley Corporation, Hirakud Dam in Orissa, PROF. RAMAKRISHNA Rlhand Dam 10 Uttar Pradesh and Parvathi MORE: Dam in Rajasthan have since been investi- SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: gated;

Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (b) If so, the outcome thereof; and pleased to state: (c) the remedial measures taken in this (a) whether Government's attention regard? has been drawn to the news-item appeared in the Hindustan Times dated 21 February THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1989 wherein it is stated that more fast trainS MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES like Shatabdi Express will be started in the (SH'RIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) Yes, Sir. near future; (b) and (c). The outcome, among oth- (b) if so, the names of railway routes on ers, indicated remedial measures like~ which these trains WIll run; chemical grouting. sealing the cracks, re- placement with sound concrets and monitor- (c) how far these will be beneficial to the ing and surveilance of the behaviour. public; and Setting up of Securities and Exchange (d) the time by which these are likely to Board of India be started and the estimated cost likely to be 4293. SHRI Y.S. MAHAJAN: Will the involved? Minister of Finance be pleased to state: QWTRA 10, lOU {EAKA, Writton Armwo" 268

(a) when the Securiies and Exchange (a) the progress made so far ir the BoaRS of India is IbIy to be set up as a completion of Mankhurd·Belapur railway statutory body; projed;

(b) whether there are any hurdles in (b) the time by which the project is likely setting up the proposed Board; and to be commissioned; and

Cc) the sleps Government have taken or (c) whether Government propose to propose to take kl set up the statutory Board recover the additional expenditure being expeditiously? incurred on the project from the commuters of Bombay? lHE MlNlSlER OF STATE IN ruE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE IN THE MINISTRY OF ANANCE (SHRI MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA~ EDUARDO FALERl): (a) 10 (c). The vari- HABIR PRASAD): (a) 27% upto 28-2-1989. ous steps required for setting up of the Securities and Exchange Board of India as a (b) In the latter half of , 990-91. statutory body are in the process of being taken. (c) No, Sir so far as Railway's share of the Project cost is concerned. As for the Import of Ferrous -and Nor.-Ferrous State Government's share of the Project Metals Under OGl cost, it is for them to decide.

4294. SHRt Y.S. MAHAlAH: Will the [ Translation] Minister of COPAMERCE be. pleased to state: World Bank Assistance for Develop- ment of Railways (a) whether Govemment are aware that because of the import 01 both ferrous and 4296. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR non-ferrous metals under open general li- TRIPATHI: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS cence COOl) the user industries are paying be pleased to state: a heavy premium on these items; and (a) whether Government have sought (b) if so, the steps taken or proposed to any assistance from the World Bank for be taken to insure that both ferrous and non- deve'opment of Railways; ferrous metals are available to the user industries at reasonable rates? (b) if so, whether the World Bank has agreed to provide such assistance; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (c) if so, the details thereof including the DASMUNSI): (a) and (b). Import of certain amount and the terms and conditions ferrous and non-ferrous metals has been thereof? allowed underOGl to ensure easy availability of these metals to the Actual Users and smaU importers. Due to the lberal import of THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE these items there should not be any pre- MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- mium on these items. HAB1R PRASAD): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. Indian Railways have received assistance from the llankhurd-Belapur Railway Project World Bank for development of Railways and have at present three on-going Credit! 4295. DR DATIASAMANT: WiDthe Loans, the broad details of which are as Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: under: 267 Written AnswetS MARCH 31, 1989

i) IBRD Loan No. 2210-INIIBA years; and Credit No. 1299-IN: For modernisation and mainte- (b) the number of branches out of them nancefacilities (for rolling stock). inaugurated by non-officials? Value Special Drawing Rights (SOR) 184.7 million (equivalent THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to IS 200 million approx. i11 De- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS cember, 1982) and US $ 200 IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI million. EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) Reserve Bankof India (RBI) has reported that during the last ii) IBRD Loan No. 2417·/N: thrH years scheduled oommercial banks For electrification- and workshop have opened 519 branches in Uttar Pradesh modernisation. Value US $ including 26 branches in District Basti. 280.7 million. (b) The present data reporting system iii) IBRD Loan No. 2935·IN: of RBI does not generate information relat- For rehabilitation aod moder- ing to inauguration ceremonies held. if arfI, nisation of track. Value US $ 390 while opening of new bank branches. million. Compulaory Retirement of Officers of The terms and conditions of CrediV Income-Tax Department Loans are as under: 4298. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR (a) The IDA Credit 1299-IN carries a TRIPA THI: WiD the Minister of FINANCE be service charge of 0.750/0 per pleased to state the number of officers of annum and a commitment Assistant Commissioner grade in Income- charge of 0.50% per annum. No tax Department who have been retired interest is payable on this. compulsorily during the last two years w~h reasons of their retirement? (b) The JBRD Loans carry commitment charge of 0.75% p.a. The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE interest rate is variable depend- DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE ing upon 'Cost of borrowings' of MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. the Bank. The current rate of PANJA): The term compulsory retirement is interest is 7.65%. a major penalty under Central Civil Services (Classification Control & Appeal) Rules.' (c) The IDA Credit is r&payable in 40 1965 & there has been no such case during years, while IBRD loans are the last two years. However, in common repayable in 14 years. pac1ance premature retirement under Fun- damental Rule 56 (j) IS also referred to as (Eng/im] compulsory retirement During 1987-89. three Officers of the rank of Assistant ISranche. 01 SchedVlId Banks In Uttar Commis~ioner of Income-tax (ra-desig- PradHh nated as Deputy Commissioner of Income- tax w.e.f. 1.4.88) were retired under FR 4297. OR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR 56{J). Besides one Income-tax Officer TRIPATHI: WiRth. Minister of FINANCE be Group 'A' (re-designated as Assistant pleased to state: Commissioner of Income-tax w.e.f. 1.4.88) has also been retired under FR 560). All (a) the number of branches of sched- these Officers were retired in public interest uled banks in Uttar Pradesh particularly in on grounds of ineffectiveness andlor doubt: Basti district opened during the last three ful integrity. 269 CHAITRA 10,1911 (SAKA) Written AnsW9IS 270

Demands of Emp"yees of Income-tax Government to curb such activity in the Department larger national interest?

4299. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minisler ~ ANANCE be pleased to state; DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHAI A.K. (a) whether Government have received PANJA): (a) to (c). Reports received in this a memorandum ~ demands from the em- regard indicate that certain unscruplous ployees ~ the Income-tax Department; importers are importing books declared as educational, but having,_ no commercial (b) if so. the details of their demands value at over-invoiced prices in the names of and reaction of Government thereto; and fictitious firms. The intention being to remit foreign exchange out of India through legal Cc) whether the employees had threat- channels. Reports indicate that earlier also, ened to stop working on 14 March, 1989 and certain unscrupulous importers had similarly if so, the steps taken by Government to imported books declared as medical and mitigate their grievances? technical literature at over-invoiced values in the names of fictitious firms. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE (d) The Customs authorities remain MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. alert against such offences. The persons PANJA): (a) The Govt. have from time to found involved are penalised in departmen- been receiving various memoranda of de- tal adjudication and are also prosecuted in mands f_rom the employees of Income Tax Courts of law in suitable cases. They are Department. It is not clear as to which of also detained under the Conservation ot these memoranda the Hon'bte Member is Foreign Exchange and Prevention of Smug- referring to. gling Activities Act, 1974, H considered necessary. (b) In view of the reply to Part (a) above, question does not arise. [ Translation] (c) A section of the employees of the Inoome Tax Department had proposed to Stoppage of Ganga-Yamuna Express at stop working on 14th March, 1989. How- Sohwal Station ever, after disaJSSion with the Department, they withdrew the strike call. 4301. SHRI NIRMAL KHATRI: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: Import of Books (a) whether his Ministry" has received 4300. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Will the any memorandum regarding halting of Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Ganga-Yamuna Express train which runs four times a week between Varanasi and (a) whether as per reports with Govern- Delhi via Faizabad, at Sohwal station. ment some books have been imported for some other purposes than commercial; (b) if so, the action taken thereon; and

(b) if so, the details thereof; (c) if no action has been taken, the reasons therefor? (c) whether foreign exchange is also paid for the purpose; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- Cd) the action taken or contemptated by HABIR PRASAD): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The 271 W,.itf6)n AnSWBIS MARCH 31, 1989 Written AnswelS 272

stoppage is being provided in the ensuing Shortage of Rs. 500/· Denomination Summer Time Table. Notes

(c) Dose not arise. 4303. SHRI VAKKOM PU- RUSHOTHAMAN: Will the Minister of FI- [English] NANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether there has been an acute Tax Exemptions to FTZ Units and EOUs shortage of currency notes of rupees five hundred denomination in the recent times;

4302. SHRI VAKKOM PU- (b) ij so, the reasons therefor; and RUSHOTHAMAN: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: (c) whether steps are being taken to make available more notes of this denomi- (a) the details of exemptions of tax nation for circulation? permitted to the units operating from Free Trade Zones (FTZs) and the 100 per cent THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Export Oriented units (EOUs); DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (b) whether there is a demand by the EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). The short- exporting firms to allow a five-year tax holi- age arose owing to 'problems of industrial day to all exporters in the country instead of relations. The problems have since been the present system; anr resolved and supplies to the Reserve Bank of India resumed. (c) if so. the response of Government thereto? Vacancies of Judges in High Court and Supreme Court THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE M1NISTRY OF COMMERCE (P.R. DAS- 4304. SHRI SHANTILAL PATEL: MUNSI): (a) Under Section 10A of the SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJU: Income-Tax Act, Industrial undertakings set up in free trade zones fare allowed a tax Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE holiday in respect of their income from such be pleased to state: units for a period of five years out of a block of eight assessment years, starting from the (a) whether a large number of posts of year in which the industrial undertaking judges are still lying vacant in supreme Court begins to manufacture or produce articles or and High Courts; things. Similarly, under Section lOB of the Income-Tax Act, a five years tax holiday out (b) whether Govern me ntfi lied up some of a block of eight assessment years starting vacancies in the Supreme Court and High from the year in which the production beings Courts during December, 1988. is allowed to 100 per cent export oriented undertakings. These units, besides, are (c) if so, the details thereof; and permitted duty-free import of capital goods and inputs. (d) the action being taken to fill up all the posts?

(b) no specific representations have THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- been received in this regard. TICE AND MINISTER OF WATER RE- SOURCES (SHRI B. SHANKARANAND): (c) Does not arise. (a) There are 6 vacancies of Judges in the 273 Written AnswelS' CHAITRA 10,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 274 supreme Court and 63 vacancies of Judgesl (b) Survey for conversion of Madurai- Additional Judges in various High Courts of Bodinayakkanur (89.74 km) Metre Gauge the Country. Line to Broad Gauge and its extension to Ernakulam (126.75 km) was carried ou1 in (b) and (c). Yes, Sir. Details of the 1986. The cost of the proposal was esti- number of appointments made during De- mated at Rs. 115.42 crore but the project cember, 1988 are as follows: was financially unremunerative. A: Supreme Court 5 Electrification of Madras-eochin B: High Courts: Railway Une

Himachal Pradesh High Court 4306. SHRI GEORGE JOSEPH MUN- DACKAL: WilltheMinisterofRAllWAYSbe Kerala High Court 3 pleased to slate:

Andhra Pradesh High Court 3 (a) whether it is proposed to undertake the electrification of Madras-Cochin line; A"ahabad High Court 4

Calcutta High Court 5 (b) if so, when; and

Guwahati High Court 2 (c)' if not, the reason therefor?

Total: 18 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- (d) Filling up vacancies of judges is a HAVIR PRASAD): (a) and (b). Madras- continuous process. Jolarpettai section is already electrified. Cochin-Madurai Railway Project Electrification beyond Jolarpettai to Erode is also in progress. 4305. SHRIGEORGEJOSEPH MUN- DACKAl: Will the Ministerof RAILWAYS be (c) As electrification is capital intensive, pleased to state: within the limited resources available, it is being planned on the high density freight (a) whether Government proposad to routes. In view of this, there is at present, no take up in the next Five Year Plan the con- proposal to electrify Erode-Cochin section. struction of inter-state railway link between Cochin and Madurai in view of various Im- [ Trans/[ltion] portant considerations such as inadequacy of transport services in the area, importance Raid on Advertising Agencies of Cochin airport and vast foreign exchange earning potential of hinterland; and 4307. SHRIKAMLAPRASADRAWAT: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (b) if so, the details thereof and if not, State: the reasons therefor? (a) whether with a view to unearth black money, Income-tax Departm ent have raided THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE advertising agencies in the country recently: MfNISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- HABIR PRASAD): (a) No, Sir. (b) if so, the detail thereof; 275 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Writen AnsW915 276

(c) whether the informers have since (a) whether the amount of term lend- received their rewards; ings by the public financial institution .or projects in backward area has sharply come (d) if not. the number of informers in down in 1987-88: Delhi and Bhubaneswar who have not been paid their rewards; and (b) if so, the details thereof and the reason th8refore;. and (e) the reason therefor? (c) the action proposed to be taken by THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Governmen' in this regard? DEPARTMENT Of REVENUE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DE- PANJA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The Income- PARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN tax Department have conducted searches at THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI the premises of two advertising agencies at EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). Sanction Ahmedabad and New Delhi in the current of assistance to units in backward areas by financial year. During the course of these All Financial Institution (lOBI, IFCI, ICICI. searches, prima facie unaccounted as~ets IRBI, UTI. L1C, IGC, SFCs and SIDCs) in- aggregating to Rs. 11.381akhs were seized. creased from As. 3044 crores in 1986-87 (April-March) to Rs. 3401 crores in 1987-88 (c) to (e). The Income-tax Department (April-March) recording a growth of 11.7%. carries out searches, on the basis of infor- Disbursements by these institution during mation obtained from external sources such the same period increased from Rs. 2155 as informers at also on the basis of ·informa- cror-es to Rs. 2644 crores, registering an tion gathered from sources w~hin the De- increase of 22.7%. partment. Maintenance of secrecy in respect of informers is of utmost importance. Disclo- sure of details regarding existence of inform- Damage to Railway Property ers and payment of rewards to them, in re~pect of given cases, will be violative of the trust reposed by the informers in the Income- 4309. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: tax Department, regarding maintenance of SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE secrecy. Therefore, it is not possible, in PATIL: public interest, to furnish the information sought. Will th~ Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: fEnglishJ (a) the details of the damages caused Asslstance'by Public Financiallnstitu- to the rai/way bridges and tracks zone-wise tlons for ProJects In Backward Areas by the anti-national dnd the -other elements during the past six months:

4308. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER- JEE: (b) the details of large, medium and SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: small damages zone-wise; and

Will the MINISTER OF FINANCE be , pleased to state: (c) the estimated expenditure incurred 2n WriIen Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 218 by Government in repairing the tracks and HABIR PRASAD): (a) to (c). During the past bridge etc., zone-wise? six months, ending on 28.2.89, such damages had occurred only on 4 zonal Railways. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Details thereof are furnished in the state- MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- ment below. 279 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written AnswelS 280

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Suspension of Train Services Si iRI SHARD DIGHE:

4310. SHRI V. TULSIRAM Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be SHRI BALASAHE3 VIKHE pleased to state: PATIL (a) whether the timings and routes of Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be some of the trains passing through Kdnpur pleased to state: had been changed recently;

(a) the details of the train services that (b) if so, the names of such trains and were suspended and routes changed during the date on which these were restored; tf'te past six months, zone-wise; (c) lhe steps taken by Government for (b) the estimated loss suffered by the the redrt3ssal of hardship of the passengers Railways as a resu~ thereof; and as a re~ult (hereof; and

(c) the steps being taken by Govern- (d) the action taken to maintain regular ment to make up the loss? running of trains on all the railways zones?

THE DEPUTY MINISTEl ~ IN THE THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- HABIR PRASAD): (a) The information is HAVIR PRASAD): (a) Yes, Sir. being collected and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha. (b) A statement is given below.

(b) The statistics of train-wise earnings/ losses are not maintained. (c) Consistent with tile availability and resources 10 run trains via alternative route, (c) Diversions and suspet,sion of serv- certain trains were run. Frequent announce- ices are done in unavoidable circumstances. ments at stationslby other media were also made. Refunds were also granted. Trains Running through Kanpur

4311. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: (d) Evary feasible effort is being made SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE to maintain regUlar running oftrains on all the PATIL: railway zones. STATEMENT

Mail/Express trains diverted due to agitation by Mill Workers at Kanpur and restored on their normal routes are as under:-

S. No. Trains Date of restoration on normal routes

1. 1 UP Howrah-Kalka Mail 27.2.1989

2. 2 UP Howrah-Kalka Mail 27.2.1989 291 ' Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written Answers 292

S.No. Trains Date of restoration on normal routes

3. 12 ON Howrah-Oelhi Express 27.2.1989

4. 17 UP Prayag Raj Express 27.2.1989

5. 18 ON Prayag Raj Express 28.2.1989

6. 81 UP A.C Express 28.2.1989

7. 103 UP A.C Express 28.2.1989

8. 104 ON A.C Express 28.2.1989

9. 101 UP Rajdhani Express 1.3.1989

10. 102 ON Rajdhani Express 28.2.1989

11. 83 UP Ganga-Yamuna Express 1.3.1989

12. 84 ON Ganga-Yamuna Express 1.3.1989

13. 63 UP Avadh Express 3.3.19a9

14. 64 ON Avadh Express 3.3.1989

15. 156 ON Tinsukia Mail 27.2.1989

16. 155 UP Tinsukia Mail 27.2.1989

17. 153 UP Vaishali Express 27.2.1989

18. 154 ON Vaishali Express 27.2.1989

19. 175 UP Neelachal Express 28.2.1989

20. 176 ON Neelachal Express 27.2.1989

21. 191 ON Magdh Express 28.2.1989

22. 192 ON Magadh Express 28.2.1989

23. 921 UP N.E.Express 1.3.1989

24. 922 ON N.E. Express 1.3.1989

25. 802 ON Muri Express 2.3.1989 293 WriNen Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 294

S.No. Trains Date of restoration on normal routes

26. 973 UP Shaheed Express 4.3.1989

27. 915 UP Puri Express 28.2.1989

28. 40 ON Oelhi-Howrah Janta Express 2.3.1989

29. 116 UP Bombay-Gorakhpur Express 28.2.1989

World Bank Aided Irrigation Projects of for this project., Out of this amount of SDR Orissa 59.276 million has been disbursed upto 31.1.1989 leavi ng a balance of SDR 4.024 4312. SHRI SOMNATH RATH: million which is expected to be drawn down SHRI SRIBALLAV PANI- by 31.3.1989 when the credit is scheduled to GRAHl: close.

Will the Minister of WATER RE- Export of Marine Projects from Gujarat SOURCES be pleased to state: Ports

(a) whether the World Bank had 4313. SHRI RANJITSINGH pleaded for appc:ntment of a large number GAEKWAD: Will the Minister of COM- of foreign experts to study the implementa- MERCE be pleased to state: tion of the irrigation projects funded by the bank; (a) the quantity and value of the marine products exported from the port of Gujarat (b) whether it is a fact that Government during 198G-87, 1987-88 and 1988-89; did not agree to the bank's plea as a result the bank has stopped giving credit for irriga- (b) whether the export of marine prod- tion projects in Orissa; and ucts from Gujarat coast has remained stag- nant for the last three yec:.trs; (c) the irrigation projects being funded by the World Bank in Orissa. the amount (c) if so, whether the stangnation of provided so far and the amount yet to be these exports is due to under-developed provided with likely time thereof? facilities on the ports;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) if not, the other reasons therefor; MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES and (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: (a) and (b). No, Sir. (e) the steps proposed to be taken to enhance export of marine products from (c) The Mahanadi Barrages Project in Gujarat coast? Orissa continues to be implemented with World Bank assistance. The world Bank has THE MH..JISTER OF STATE IN THE committed assistance of SDR 63.3 million MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. 295 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written Answ9fS 296

DASMUNSI): (a) The quantity and value of Gujarat during the last 3 years were: the marine products exports from the ports of

Year Quantity Value (Tonnes) (Rs. IaXhs)

1986-87 8132 32.19

1987-88 7040 31.74

1988-89 6289 27.89

(April '89 to Feb. 89)

(b) Yes, Sir. Export of Vegetables and Cut Flowers

(c) and (d). A major cause is poor 4315. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL: shrimplfish landings of exportable variety. Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased Infrastructure facilities are also inadequate to state: at the ports of Gujarat. (a) whether the cooperative venture for (e) Steps taken to enhance exports of export of vegetable and cut-Howera marine products from Gujarat coast include launched by All India Scheduled Castes promotion of shrimp farming for augmenting Development Cooperative Society has not production of cultured shrimps and encour- made any headway as yet: agement of productIon of value added items like IQF (IndiVIdually Quick Frozen) shrimps (b) if so, the reasons therefore; and etc. (c) the steps Government propose to take to provide assistance and expedite its Bank Loans to Fishermen execution?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4314. SHRI P. PENCHALLIAH: Will MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. r:.tt Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: DASMUNSI) (a) to (c). As reported by the Society, the project is facing difficulty in (a) whether the shot-term loans and obtaining guarantee forexternalcommerciClt advBr't088 are proposed to be given to fisher- borrowing. It is for the Society to convince men without charging any interest by the the concerned fmoncial institutions about nationaHsed ba'lks; and the viability of the proJect.

(b) if so, the details thereof; [ Trans/ation]

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Customs Duty on Pesticides DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS 4316. SHRI DfNESH COSWAMI: IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI SHRI 8AlWANT SINGH RA- EDUARDO FALEIRO)' (a) No, Sir. MOOWAlIA: Will the Minister of FINANCE pleased to (b) Does not arise. state: 297 Written AnswelS CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 298

(a) whether Government have recently (c) the likely time by which these will be increased Customs duty on some pesti- set up? cides; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so. the names of pesticides on DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS which duty has been increased and the IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI extent thereof; and EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). Govern- ment have decided to set up a Small Indus- (c) the additional amount likely to tries Development Bank of India (SIOBI) to accrue this as compared to last year due to cater to the financial needs to Small Scale increase in customs duty? and tinY Industries and are finalising modalities in thiS behalf. The National Scheduled THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Castes and Scheduled Tribes Finance and DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE Development Corporation has also since MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K. been set up. The National Agricuhural Credit PANJA) (a) to (c). W,th effect from the 24th Relief Fund has not yet been set up. January. 1989, the rates of import duty on three bulk pesticides, namely, Monocroto- Freight Concessions to Promote phos, Methyl Parathion and Butachlor as Exports also on one pesticide intermidlate, namely. Chiaro 2, 6 Diethyl-N (Chloromethyl) 4318. SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- Acetanilide were raised. The duty on Mono- MOOWALlA: Will the Minister of Commerce crotophos and Methul Parathion was in- be pleased to state: creased from 70% to 105%, on Butacnlor from 90% to 105% and on Chloro-2, 6 01- (a) whether Government propose to ethyl-N (Chloromethyl) Acetanilide from give some concession in air freight to pro- 60% to 147.25% ad valorem. The revenue mote export of Indian goods; and gain as a result of these changes in customs duty is expected to be about Rs. 6 crares per (b) If, so, the details thereof? annum. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Setting up of Financial Institutions MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DASMUNSI): (a) and (bl Besides the con- 4317. SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI cessions alre3dy available, there is at pres- SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- ent. no proposal under consideration for MOOWALlA: providing further concessions in air freight Will the MINISTER OF FINANCE be rates. pleased to state: [English] (a) whether Government have since set up Small Industr:es Development Bank, Sector-wise Export Performance National Agricultural Credit Relief Fund and National Scheduled Castes and Scheduled 4319. SHRI BRAJAMOHAN MO- Tribes Finance and Development Corpora- HANTY: Will the Minister of COMMERCE tion as mentIoned in the Budget Speech for be pleased to state: 1988-89. (a) the sectors In which exports have (b) if not, the reasons therefor; and fallen behind tne target WIth details; and 299 Written Answers MARCH 31, 1989 Written Answers 300

(b) the steps taken to improve export present. performances in those areas wIth details? (d) the anti·smuggling drive has been THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE intensified. Anti-smuggling measures have MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. been geared up through out the country and DASMUNSI): (a) The export targets are specially in vulnerable areas of land borders, fixed on financial year basIs and as such It is coastline and inter-national airports and difficu~ to identify sectors which have not seaports. fuHilied the target during the fiscal year 1988- 89 at this stage. (e) This would be governed by the transitional arrangement provided for in the (b) Does not arise. relevant Public Notice.

Import of Spices. (1) No Impcrt Licence is required for import Nutmeg and Mace, as the same is 4320. PROF. K. V. THOMAS: Will the allowed under Open General Licence. Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state: Coffee Export

(a) whether government propose to put 4321. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY: Will the import of nutmag and mace under re- the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to stricted items; state the total quantity of coffee exported during 1988 and the foreign exchange (b) if so, the time by which it will be done; earned therefrom?

(c) whether Government propose to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE increase the import duty on spices; MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DASMUNSI): The total exports of coffe~ (d) the steps taken to prevent the during calender year 1988 are provisionally smuggling of spices into India; placed at 81952 tonnes valued at Rs. 269.03 crores. (e) whether the Letter of Credit (L.C) opened just a few days prior to the change of Export of Mangoes from Bihar policy of import of spices from O.G.L. to restricted items, will be cancelled; and 4322. DR. G.S. RAJHANS: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to (f) whether the new licences for the state: import of spices will be issued after the season ending in June? (a) whether any effort has been made to export mangoes from North Bihar; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (b) if so, the details thereof? DASMUNSI): (a) There 'is no proposal for the present. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (b) Does not arise. DASMUNSI): (a) and (b). No specific effort has so far been made in regard to export of (c) There is no such proposal for the mangoes from North Bihar. However, the 301 Written Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) ~V,itlen Answers 302

Agricultural & Processed Food Products (a) whether Reserve Bank of India has Export Development Authority is trying to taken any action against nationalised banks collect information on the availability of like the UCO Bank which refused to open exportable quality mangoes from Bihar. branches in rural areas, after allotment of centres to them under Current Branch li- On-Going Railway Projects censing Policy during Seventh Five Year Plan; 4323. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- ASHAR: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (b) if so, the names of all such banks pleased to state: and number and names of branches, which they refused to open during the current plan, (a) whether any targets for partial or State-wise; final completion of the on-going projects in the form of new railway lines/conversion (c) whether such centres were allottf'::! projects taken in hand during the Sixth Plan to other nationalised banks, resulting in have been fixed for the leighth Plan; considerable dislocation and delay in opening of these branches for rural areas and if (b) if so, the names of such on-going so, the details thereof; and projects as are under execution since the 6th (d) whether such defaulting banks Plan, zone wise and the targets for their would be discouraged in opening their partiallfinal completion in each case apart branches/ extension counters in the urban from those for the completion for which the areas and the other nationalised banks targets have also been fixed during the 7th would be given licenses for such branches or Plan; and extension counters for which they have sent their applications giving them preference (c) if not, the reasons therefor and the over defaulting banks? likely date by which the targets for each of such projects would be fixed along with THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE details for each projects, zone wise? DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (d). Reserve MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- Bank of India (RBI) has reported that under HABIR PRASAD) (a)to (c). Eastern Railway the successive branch expansion pro- which has been targetted for opening by gramme banks have been permitted to sur- 31.3.1991, no other new line or gauge con- render the licences issued to them to a version project started In the Sixth five year IImlteu ~Xlent, II lrl\;;Y had any difficulties in Plan ha~ been targetted for partial or final opening the branches. Such centres were completion during the Eighth Five Year Plan. reallocatted to other banks so that banking Targets for completion of other new line or f aGilities cou Id be made available. During the gauge conversion projects would depend on current Branch Licensing Policy apart from availability of funds during the Eighth Plan. UCO Bank, six other banks excluding Re- gional Rural Banks have surrendered 21 licences which forms a very small percent- Opening of Bank Branches age of the total licences issued to them. The number of licences issued to these six banks 4324. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- during the current policy period for rural and ASHAR: Will the Minister of FINANCE be semi-urban centres and those surrendered ~eased to state: by them are indicated below:- 303 Written Ans wers MARCH 31, 1989 Written Answ9l'$ 304

Name of the Bank ~U.ZlbeC. aZ 1ike.Q!;.e,-: Issued Surrendered

State Bank of India 724 11

Syndica1e Bank 75 2

Canara Bank 125

United Bank of India 126 4

Catholic Syrian Bank Ltd. 2 2

Dhanalakshmi Bank Ltd.

Total 1053 21

These 21 centres were subsequently Since the surrenders of licences were reallocatted to other banks which expressed permitted by RBI on a selective basis taking their willingness to open the branches at the Into account all relevant factors and the centres. Statewlse and bank-wise names of number of centres surrendered were negli· centres surrendered and reallocatted are glbls, the question of taking any preventive given in the statement below. measure was not conSidered necessary.

STATEMENT

State-wise and bank-wise names of centres surrendered and re-allotted

Name of State/Name of bank Name of Cl?nlre N3me of bank re-allotted to surrendered the licence surrendered

2 3

Uttar Pradesh

State Bank of India Chandernagar Alaknanda Gramin Bank

-do- Maithan -do-

-do Bhandsore Bank of Baroda

Tamil Nadu

State Bank of India Boochatipattu

-do- Pandvakkam -do- 305 Written Answers CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answsrs 306

2 3

-do- Kamalmpoondi -.do

-do- Koda-nadu --do-

-do- Marappari --do-

-do- Namathodu --do-

-do- Anandvadi South Indian Bank ltd.

-do- Pillundvam Not alloted yet

Syndicate Bank Arangaldurgam Ban~ of India

-do- Tlruvandapuram -do-

Canara Bank Arepalayam -do-

Catholic Syrian Bank Ltd. Jambukulam South Indian Bank Ltd

-do T. Subbulapuram -do-

Dhanalakshmi Bank Ltd. Kamlaputhur Bank of Baroda

Manipuf

United Bank of India Kangchup State Bank of India

-do- Tamei -do-

-do- Leirangtham -do-

-do- Lairouching -do-

Employment on compassionate ten years five years and three years respec- grounds tively;

4325. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- (b) if so, the number of such cases ASHAA: Will the Minister of-RAllWA YS be zone-wise in each category along-with other pleased to state: relevant details and the reasons for delay; and (a) whether any cases for the employment on compassionate grounds for wards (c) the likely date by which such cases of the deceased railway employees are still would be settled in a time bound manner and pending for sanction/appointment for over whether any concerted efforts would be 307 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written Answers 308

made during the last year of the Seventh est rebate scheme by co-operative banks in Plan? the above States/Union Territory was considered by Reserve Bank of India (RBI) and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE NABARD as violation of their instructions MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- relating to interest rates, conversion of loans HABIR PRASAD): (a) to (c). Information as etc. In view of this NABARD vide its circular on 31.12.1988 is being collected and will be dated 29th November, 1988 addressed to laid on the Table of the Sabha. Managing Director of all State Cooperative Banks and State Land Development Bank, Rapayment of loans by farmers withheld refinance facilities till an undertaking is furnished by the concerned institutions 4326. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PAR- that they would follow the ir.structions/ ASHAR: Will the Minister of FINANCE be guidelines issued by the RBI/NABA'RD. pleased to state: NABARD has reported that refinance (a) whether any State Governments tacitities have been resumedin all States, had initiated an Interest Rebate Scheme except in Maharashtra, since undertakings with the intention of making fariners repay from t,he cooperative banks of Maharashtra their cooperative loans in time; State are still awaited.

(b) if so, the names of the States in [ Translation] which the scheme has been initiated; Conversion of Farrukhabad-Kanpur- (c) whether the National Bank for Agri- Lucknow metre Gauge into Broad culture and Rural Dev .ilopment has ob- Gauge jected to the practice with the observation that refinance can not be given against loans 4327. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: Will to farmers attracting interest subsidy by the the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to State through cooperative banks; and state:

(d) the steps taken or proposed to be (a) whether Government have decided taken by the Union Government to help the to convert only Kanpur-Lucknow section of farmers in the repayment of their loans? Farrukhabad-Lucknow metre gauge line broad gauge, and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AfFAIRS (b) if so, the reason Ior cuttinq off many IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI districts centres including Farrukhabad from EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). National the State capital by this partial conversion? Bank for Agriculture and Rural Development (NABARD) has reported that the interest THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE rebate scheme was in operation in 10 States MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- and one Union Territory namely Karnataka, HABIR PRASAD): (a) Yes, Sir Madhya Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, West Bengal, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Andhra (b) Rail connections between district Pradesh, Bihar, Orissa and Union Territory centres and Lucknow will not be affected of Pondicherry. after conversion of Kanpur-Lucknow MG section to BG. The passengers from Far- (c) and (d). The introduction of the inter- rukhabad side will only have to change over 309 Written Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) ~'\'r;tten Answers 310 at Kanpur from MG to BG, and vice versa. officers. s.ince salary cheques are sent to the Banks by the Pay and Accounts Officers [English) after verifying the entitlemp.nt of concerned officers, no standing instructions can be Payment of Salary to Government issued to banks for automatically crediting Employees the accounts without any instructions from the Pay ar,d Accounts Office In this behalf. 4328. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to Involvemellt of Central Exci~e Officials state: in Excise Duty Cases

(a) whether instructions have been 4329. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD SINGH: issued to the nationalised banks to the effect Wil! the Minister of FincJnce be pleased to that Government employees whose salary state: cheques are deposited in their banks are not to be refused payment of salary on the first of (a) how many Central Excise officials the month even in cases where there may have been booked for a,I8ged involvem8nt have occurred delaY' in the receipt of the In excise racketeering resulting is under sal~ry cheque; assessment of Central Excise during the last 12 months and how does thiS compare with (b) if so, whether there have been the figures of the preceding three years; cases of the banks dishonouring the cheques presented in the first week of the (b) whetller ihe Investigations/inquiries month; have been instituted into their cases and by when ara these iikely to be finaiised; (c) if so, the reasons therefor; and (c) whe~her wealth disproportionate to (d) the detaiis of the steps taken to their known scurces of income has been entorce tho instructions? revealed by raids conducted by Income-tax Departments; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF f:CONOMIC AFFAIRS (el) if so, the details therecf? IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (d). :n terms of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Civil Accounts Manual, salaries to Cen- DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE tral Government servants are disbursed at MINISTRY OF F!t~ANCE (SHRI A.K. tho option of the Government SElrvanl either PANJA): (a) to (d) Information is being ccl- in cash or through cheques. Where a gov- tecled and will the laid on the Table of the ernment servant opts to draw his/her salary House. through cheque, an account is opened in a bank where the cheque is depositad by him/ Introduction of Electric Trains her and payment obtained. In some Civil Ministries, system of Individua! Running 4330. SHRI BANWARt LAL PUROHIT: Ledger Account (IRLA) is fullowed where Will trd Ministerof RAILWAYS be plea~edto salary cheques of thEi Gazetted Off;cers are state: (a) wheth&r Government have a pro- sent direct to the nominated banks by the posal to take up electrification task on many respective Pay and Accounts Officers for other routes also, ott-,t;r than priority sec- credit 10 the bank account of the con.:emed tions; 311 Written Answers MARCH 31, 1989 Written Answers 312

(b) if so, the details of the trains and this line was sent 0 the Planning Commis- their routes which will be electrified during sion for consideration and clearance. The the next one year; and Planning CommiSSion has since cleared the Mangalore-Udupi section for construction (c) the estimated amount likely to be and the same has boen included in the incurred thereon? Budget 89-90. Further action will depend upon the clearance by the Planning THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Commission and availability of resources. MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- HABIR PRASAD); (a) No, Sir. Issue of Booklets on Deposits and Loans scheme of Bank in Nepal ' (b) and (c). Do not arise. 4332: SHRIMATI D.K. BHANDARI: Nagothane-Ratnagirl (Coastal) RaHway Will the Minister of FINANGE be pleased to Project state:

4331. SHRI HUSSAIN DALWAI: Will (a) wheth.;.r booklets on various depos- the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to its and loans schemes are published in state: Bengali and English languages as a result of which majority of the people in Sikkim and (a) thf lew railway routes under survey Darjeeling, who speak and understand aT y-asent; Nepali language only, are not able to make use of these booklets and are unable to (tJ, wrqther Nagothane-Ratnagiri route participate in vanous developmental activi- has been surveyqd so far; ties of government;

(c) if so, when is it likely to be approved (b) whether government propose to for construction; and bring out such booklets in Nepali language in the public interest; (d) if not, the reasons therefor? (c) If so, the datails th~reof; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF R.. LWAYS (SHRI MA- (d) if not. the reasons therefor? HABIR PRASAD): (a) The list of on-going surveys and those proposed in 80-90, Zone- wise are mentioned in the Annexure-A to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Demand No.2 - Railways in Part-II of the DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Demands for Grants 89-90. This booklet has IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI been supplied to all Members of Parliament EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a)to (d). The Public alongwith Budget documents. sector banks bring out their booklets on various deposits and loans schemes in English. Hindi and other regional languages (b) to (d). Nagothanc ·Roha is a part of according to their needs and requirements. Apta-Roha line which has since been com- the convenor banks for State Level Bankers pleted and opened to traffic. Based on a Committee for West Bengal and Sikkim fresh survey conducted for the balance por- have been advised to consider the necessity tion of the West Coast line, Roha-Ratnagiri- of bringing out the booklets in Nepali lan- Mangalore, a proposal for construction of guage. 313 Wrtten AnSWfH'S CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) W(itten Answers 314

Economists Meetings with Finance (a) the percentage of total bank depos- Minister Its In Bihar invested for the development of the State and the benefit of farmers; 4333. SHRI NARSING SURYAVANSI: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to (b) whethm nationali:;ed ban"'s have stata: not made adequ3te capital investment in (a) whether he held a pre-budget meet- accordance wit~l the national policy; ,ng with economists on 20th January, '989. (b) ~ so, the suggestions made by the (c) If S0, whetller Governmt:lnt propose economists; and to take other effective sleps for the balanced econom IC development of Bihar; and (c) which of these suggestions are acce~table and which of them are not ac- (d) the guidel.nes proposed !o be fol- ceptable with reason therefore? lowed in future for baiJnced economic development of Bihar? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS EDUARDO F/' '_EIRO): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. IN Tr:E MINISTl-\v OF FINANCE (SHRI At the meeting held with the Economists on EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). As per the 20th January, 1989 a number of sugges- information available from Reserve Bank of tions were made. These, among others, India, the percentage of outst

(c) if not. whether Government propose (a) the details and reasons, date-wise to attract more NRI investment so that where Chief Controller of Imports & Exports country's financial position be strengthened; (CCI & E) issued Supplementary import li- is so, the details thereof; and cences during April-January, 1988-89;

(d) nnot, the reasons therefore? (b) the dates on which Supplementary Licensing Committee (SLC) Headquarters THE MINISTER OF STATE IN DE- met in 1988-89; and PARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (c) the reaction of Government EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). It is thereon? diHicult to determine the intention of a large number of people of Indian origin residing in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE foreign countries regarding investment of MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. their money in India. DASMUNSI) : (a) Particulars of the Supple- mentary Licences are given in the statement (c) and (d). There is no specific pro- I below. posal presently under consideration. How- ever, the existing schemes and regulations (b) the dates on which the meetings of are kept under constant review and suitable Headquarters Supplementary Licensing changes are made, where ever necessary. Committee were held during 1988-89, are given in the statement II below. Supplementary Import Licences Issued by CCI & E (c) In these cases, issue of Supplemen- tary Licences or amendments in the e)r.isting 4337. SHRI RAMASHRA Y PRASAD Supplementary Licences, were approved by SINGH: Will the MinisterofCOMMERCEbe the Chief Controller of Imports and Exports, ~Ieased to refer to t"e reply given on 24 keeping in view the merits of the cases. 317 WriltBn AnsW9l'S CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnsW81S 318

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STATEMENT II

Dates on which the meetings of Headquarters supplementary licensing Committee were held during 1988-89

S.No. FOR NON-STEEL ITEMS S.NO. FOR STEEL ITEMS

1. 18.4.1988 1. 25.4.1988

2. 23.5.1988 2. 30.5.1988

3. 16.6.1988 3. 23.6.1988

4. 7.7.1988 4. 22.7.1988

5. 28.7.1988 5. 25.8.1988

6. 18.8.1988 6. 20.9.1988

7. 8.9.1988 7. 28.10.1988

8. 27.9.1988 8. 29.11.1988

9. 24.10.1988 9. 20.12.1988

10. 22.11.1988 10. 31.1.1989

11. 15.12.1988 11. 21.2.1989

12-. 12113.1.1989 12. 28.3.1989

13. 8.2.1989

14. 113.3.1989

Encouragement of Multinationa Is (c) if not, the reasons therefor? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4338. SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS SINGH: Will the Minister of FINANCE be IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI pfeased to state: EDUARDO FALEIRO); (a) There is no proposal to encourage multinational corpo- (a) whether Government are consider- rations to invest in India. All investment, ing to encourage multinational corporations however, are welcome if they fall within our in the country; policy.

(b) if so. the detatls thereof; (b) and (c). Do not arise. 327 Written Answers MARCH 31, 1989 Written AnswefS 328

AeNrv. Fund. of Natlonallaed Banks and in terms of Section 30(3) of the aforesaid Act, the auditor has inter-alia to state in his 4339. SHRI SAMBHAJIRAO KAKADE: report that the profit and loss account show Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to a true balance of profit or loss for the period state: covered by such account.

(a) whether the practice of holding reserve funds by nationalised banks has Financial assistance given by State been continued; Bank of India to Industrial Units in Kerala (b) whether Government have issued any guidelines for use of these reserve fu nds by the nationalised banks; 4340. SHRI A. CHARLES: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (c) whether for the purpose of audit of bank accounts these reserve funds are (a) the amount of money given as taken into account and their proper utilisa- financial assistance to the small scale indus- tion is ensured; trial units in Kerala by the State Bank of India during 1988-89; (d) if so, the details thereof? (b) the total number of persons bene- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fited by the assistance; and DEPARTMENT CF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHAI (c) how the assistance given during last EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). In year compares with those of the previous accordance with Section 17 of the Banking two years? Regulation Act, 1949, every Banking Com- pany incorporated in India is required to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE create a reserve fund and shall, out of the DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS balance of prof~ of each year, as disclosed In IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI the Profit and Loss Account prepared under EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) State Bank of Section 29 and before any dividend is de- India (S81) has reported that financial assis- clared, transfer to the reserve fund a sum tance of Rs. 15.28 crores has been given to equivalent to not less than twenty percent of 10, 944 small scale industrial units in Kerala such profit. Where a Banking Company during the year 1988-89. appropriates any sum from the reserve fund or the share premium account, the fact is (b) and (c). The Reserve Bank of India required to be reported to the Reserve 8ank (RBI) has reported that as at the end of June, of India explaining the circumstances relat- 1987, the total outstanding advances of ing to such appropriation. State Bank of India to small scale industrial units in Kerala were Rs. 70.55crores inthree (c) and (d). The Balance Sheets and thousand borrowal accounts. The perform- Prof~ &Loss Accounts of banks, prepared in ance at the end of June, 1987 compares accordance with Section 29 of the Banking favourably with the figures of previous two Regulation Act, 1949, are required to be years as may be seen from these data set audited by a person qualified to be an auditor out below: 329 Wliten Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 330

Year No. 01 accounts Amount outstandmg (in thousands) (Rs. in crares)

June, 1985 2 30.56

June, 1986 2 35.07

Agricultural FIeld Officers in Banks branches of public sector banks is provided 4341. SHRI K. RAMAMURTHY: Will in accordance with the norms laid down by the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: the management of each bank.

(a) the number of accounts of farmers (c) and (d). RBI has fixed the targets of Nhich have to be supervised by the Agricul- lending to priority sector and the perform- tural Field Officers as per the norms fixed by ance of banks is being monitored on the the National Bank for Agriculture and Rural basis of quarterly statements. All public Development (NABARD) and nationalised sector banks have exceeded the target fixed banks; for advances to priority sector which is 40% of total; outstanding advances. (b) what manpower support is provided by the Chief Executives of the nationalised Availability ot Water from Rainfall banks in rural branches; 4343. SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA (c) whether the Chief Executives are REDDY: will the Minister of WATER RE- made accountable for making the priority SOURCES be pleased to state: sector lendings; and (a) the quantum of water available in (d) if not, the reasons therefor? the country due to rainfall in a year; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the percentage of rain water that is DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS used for (a) irrigation (b) percolates under- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ground and (c) goes into the sea? EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) National Bank for Agriculture and Rural Development THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (NABARD) has reported that they have MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES advised all credit institutions in the selected (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) and (b). districts where the pilot project for strength- Out of annual precipitation including snow- ening the credit delivery system is being fall amounting to about 400 million hectare implemented to adopt a norm of 500 ac- metres about 12 per cent is used for irriga- counts per Agricultural Field Officer (AFO). tion, another about 12 per cent forms annual RBI has advised all Scheduled Commercial replenishable groundwater resource and Banks to make a realistic assessment of the the remaining atter evaporation and vegeta- number of AFOs required taking into action losses flows to the sea. count the various factors, such as topogra- phy of the area, the nature and type of Assistance by Banks to Riot victims in agricultural activity finance and the volume Andhra Pradesh of business. 4344. SHRI V. SOBHANADREES- WARA RAO: Will the Minister of FINANCE (b) the manpower support in rural be pleased to state: 331 Written Answel5 MARCH 31,1989 Written AnsW6IS 332

(a) whether Government have issued ing production, business and occupation any instrudions to oommerciaVnatlOnalised such as taxi, truck, auto-rickshaw and other banks with regard to loans extended to vic- small industrial units, retail trade and serv- tims of the riots of December, 1988 in ices. Andhra Pradesh; v) Consumption loans upto Rs. 500/- to (b) ~ so, the details thereof; and weaker sections in general and for other purposes in accordance with the terms of (c) the number of victims assisted and Reserve Bank of India's existing guidelines. the total amount given as loan? (c) Andhra Bank, the convenor, State THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE level Banker's Committee (SlBC) for DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Andhra Pradesh has reported that upto the IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI end of February, 1989 over eight hundred EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) and (b). Reserve persons were prOVIded an assistance of Rs. Bank of India has reported that consequent 2.35 crores in affected districts. to the occurrence of disturbances in Andhra Pradesh, it had issued instructions to the Pre-shipment and Post-Shipment Bank banks during January and February, 1989 Credit for providing assistance to the affected persons. The main features of these guidelines 4345. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: were as under; Will the MINISTER OF FINANe: be pleased to state: i) Sanction of term loans for repairs and renovation of factory buildings affected by (a) whether Government have decided riots. to slash pre-shipment and post-shipment bank credit interest rates; and ii) Suitable rescheduling/postponing of existing term loan instalments depending (b) If so, the broad features thereof? upon the damage suffered, time needed for rehabilitation as also income generating capacity of the unit. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS iii) Housing finance for repairs/recon- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI struction of damaged houses as per norms EDUARDO FALEIRO: (a) and (b). Reserve in force. Bank of India (RBI) has reported that the interest rates on export credit have been iv) Fresh Ioansforthepersons affected reducedw.e.f.1stMarch,1989,thedetailsof by disturbances for continuing/re-establish- which are given in the statement below. STATEMENT

(Percent per annum)

1. Pre-shipment Credit

(A) (I) Upto 180 days 7.50 333 Wtiten AM...,. CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written Answ91S 334

(Percent per annum) (II) Beyond 180 days, and in all upto 270 days (with the prior approval of the Reserve Bank of India) 9.50

(8) Against cash incentives. etc. covered by ECGC guarantee - upto 90 days 7.50

2. Post-Shipment credit

(I) Demand Bills - for transit period 8.65 (As specified by FEDAI)

(II) Usance Bills - upto 180 days comprising usance period of export bills, transit period as specified by FEOAI and grace period wherever applicable 8.65

(III) Cash incentives, Duty Draw-Back etc. receivable from Government covered by ECGC guarantee (upto . 90 days) 8.65

(IV) Undrawn Balances (Upto 90 days) 8.65

(V) Against retention money (for supplies portion only) payable within one year from the date of shipment (upto 90 days) 8.65

3. Deferred Credit

Deferred Credit for period beyond 180 days 8.65

4. Duty Draw Back Credit Scheme, 2976

Against Duty Draw Back as provisionally cretified by customer authorities (upto 90 days) Free of interest

5. Export Credit not otherwise specified 14.00 to 15.450

The reduction in the interest rates ratlges from 0.85 to 2.00 per cent per annum

KuwaH Loan for Kerala Fisheries (a) whether Kuwait has given any loan Development Project for the Kerala Fisheries Development Proj- ect for Prawn culture; 4346. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: Will the Minister of Finance be pleased to (b) "so, whether any agreement in this state: regard was signed recently in New Delhi; 335 Writtsn AnSW9fS MARCH 31,1989 Written AnswefS 336

and import under Open General Licence (~ pendix 1, Part B). (c) if SO, the salient features thereof? Subsequently, 14 items of machine tHE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tools and 19 items of textile machinery have DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS been added to this list and 3 items of ma- IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI chine tools delated. Copies of the Import and EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). Under an Export Policy. 1988-91 and relevant Public agreement signed on the 24th February, Notices are available in the Parliament li- 1989, the Kuwait Fund for Arab Economic brary. Development have extended a loan of KD 7 million (Rs. 35 crores approx.) for the Kerala Trade Agreement with Bulgaria Fisheries Development Project of Prawn cuhure (Phasel) which aims at developing 4348. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: farms/ponds in an area of about 1500 hec- Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased tares with hatcheries, feed mill and labora- to state: tory facilities. (a) whether India has signed any trade The loan carries an interest of 4.5% per agreement with Bulgaria recently; and annum and an administrative charge of 50% per annum and is repayable in 30 Semi- (b) if so, the salient features thereof? annual equal instalments commencing from 1.8.1994. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. Import of Certain Capital goods under DASMUNSI): (a) and (b). The Indo-Bulgar- Open general Licence ian trade is in the free foreign eX,change. Annual Trade Protocols of the type appli- 4347. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: cable to Rupee Payment countries are not SHRI H.A. DORA: drawn up. In the meeting of the Indo-Bulgar- ian Permanent Working Group of Trade held Will the Minister of COMMERCE in New Delhi from 27th February to 1st be pleased to state: March, 1989, agreed minutes were signed providing for indicative lists for a trade turn- (a) whether Government have placed over of about US $ 150 million Le. US $ 75 import of 18 capital goods relating to ma- million each way during 1989, The major chine tools and textile under Open General items included in the indicative lists of ex- Licence; and ports from India are: decoiled extractions, coffee, black pepper, iron are, KOitwear and (b) if so, the details thereof and reasons 9arments, finished leather and leather prod- therefor? ucts, machine, tools, electronic items, earth moving equipment, other machinery and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE equipment including vehicles. Major items MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. included in the indicative list of imports from DASMUNSI): (a) and (b). At the time of Bulgaria are newsprint, non-ferrous metals, announcement of the Import and Export metal scrap, moniethylene glycol, paraffin, Policy, 1988-91, 158 items of machine tools plastic chemicals, steel products, drugs & and 17 items of textile machinery were [pharmaceuticals, etc. and machinery items ~ placed in the list of capital goods allowed for like food processing machinery, electronic 337 Written Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 338 components, computers, etc. (c) if so, the amount proposed to be incurred on this work during the year 1989- Publicity to STC Scheme 90?

4349. SHRI GOPAl KRISHNA THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THOTA: Will the Minister of COMMERCE MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES be pJeased to state: (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) No, Sir.

(a) whether the State Trading Corpora- (b) and (c). Do not arise. tion (STC) has decided to make public details of various schemes formulated by it for Restructuring of Grades of Railway the benefit of small-scale and other export- Employees ers; 4351. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the (b) ~ so, the reasons therefor; Minister of Railways be pleased to state:

(c) whether this step has been taken to (a) whether restructuring of grades in obviate the malpractices; and different categories of Railway employees was completed prior to implementation of (d) ~ so, the details thereof? 4th Pay Commission's recommendations;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if so, whether the restructuring of MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. grades of employees work:ng in Commercial DASMUNSI): (a) and (b). STC has decided department (Commercial Clerks/TC's/ to publicise, from time to time, the details of TTE's et~.) in Dhanbad Division of Eastern selected schemes for the benefit of small RailwllY has been completed; and scale entrepreneurs and their business associates for wider dissemination. (c) if not, the reasons therefor?

(c) No, Sir. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- (d) Does not arise. HABIR PRASAD): (a) to (c). Information is being collected and will be laid on the Table [ Translation] of the Sabha.

Pancheshwar Dam Cooperation with Saudi Arabia

4352. SHRI P.M. SHOVE: 4350. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN- Minister of WATER RESOURCES be DAL: pleased to state: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be (a) whether Nepal has given necessary pleased to state: permission to start survey work in her area in regard to construction of Pancheswar Dam; (a) whether a high level delegation from Saudi Arabia visited India recently and held (b) if so, whether survey work is going discussions with Indian businessmen and on in the territory of Nepal in th is regard; and Government; 339 WrItsn AnSMH'S MARCH 31,1989 Written AnSW91S 340

(b) if so, the outcome thereof; poration has taken several steps to develop their exports, particularly of non-canalised (c) the areas identified for extension of items. These steps include: co-operation between the two countries; and - Provision of financial/marketing and (d) the details regarding concessional technical assistance to associate aid proposed to be extended by Saudi Ara- exporters. bia? - Setting up of an Export Trade Devel- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE opment Group to development new MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. items and new markets. DASMUNSI): (a) Jo (d). A delegation of businessmen from Saudi Arabia visited In- - Opening of a Customers Service dia from 26th February, 1989 to 5th March, Centre to provide better services to 1989 at the invitation of the Federation of Indian exporters. Indian Chambers of Commerce and Indus- try. The delegation inter-alia discussed with formulation of scheme for import of the Indian businessmen possibilities of set- raw material on OGl for providing ting-up of joint ventres in Saudi Arabia and raw material assistance to exporters. India. Bilateral matters concerning trade and investment were also discussed. No offer for - Developing and off -shore trading to concessional finance/aid was however increase foreign exchange earnings. made by the f.audi delegation. Supply of Benzene to exporters STC and MMTC Plans to Boost Export against their advance licences.

4353. SHRI S.B. SIDNAl: - Making available eX-bond Methanol to SHRI S.M. GURADDI: exporters at international prices.

Will the Minister of COMMERCE be - Formulation of a price support scheme pleased to slate: for bulk drugs for small manufacturers. (a) whether the State Trading Corpora- tion (STC) and the Minerals and Metals Keeping in view the above plans for Trading Corporation (MMTC) have drawn promotion of non-canalised exports, STC up plans to give a fresh impetus to non- has projects an increase of 50% in the level canalised exports; of their non-canalised exports in the coming year. (b) whether any concrete proposdls have been made in this regard; Minerals and Metals Trading Corpora- (e) if so, the details· thereof; and tion has also taken a number of steps to increase their non-canalised exports. These (d) the extent of improvement likely steps include:- therefrom in non-canalised exports? Selective identification of potential THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE markets on long-term basis. MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. DASMUNSI): (a) to (d). State Trading Cor- Selective development of domestic 341 CHAITRA 10,1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 342

sources of supply of items that (e) nso, the details thereof? would be promoted in selected markets. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. - Use of strategies like project exports, DASMUNSI): (a) and (b). All the tea gar- counter trade to gain access for dens in India were requested during the first Indian products to new export mar- quarter of 1988 to prepare their develop- kets. mental programmes for a period of seven years commencing from the year 1988. In - Creation of an organisational culture the event of implementation of the Develop- within the Corporation oriented to- mental programme drawn by the individual wards exports on non-canalised gardens it is expects that there would be items. substantial improvement in production over a period of next seven years. Extensive training of human resources in export marketing man- (c) Discussions have been held for a few agement and related areas. garden in Cachar district apart from Nilgiris district. Non~nalised exports of MMTC have increased fro.m Rs. 20.13 in 1984-85 to Rs. (d) and (e). Coorg district in Karnataka is 395 crores in 1987-88. With the continuation found to have potential for expansion of tea of the above steps for the growth of exports, area. So far an area of 1850 hectares has it is expected that the non-canalised exports been identified as suitable for growing tea. of MMTC would increase considerably in tha coming years. 'Rail Roko' Agitation In Bangalore

Micro-Level Plans to Boost Tea Produc- 4355. SHRIV. KRISHNARAO: Willthe tion Minister of Railways be pleased to state:

4354. SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: Will the (a) whether there as 'rail roko' agitation Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to in Bangalore recently for development of state: railways etc. in Karnataka;

(a) whether Government are formulating (b) ~ so, the details thereof; micro-level plans a achieve a substantial increase in tea production; (c) what were the main demands of the agitating public; and (b) n so, the time by which the increase in production would be achieved; (d) rhe action Government propose to take thereon?

(c) whether the Nilgiris is the first planta- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE tion district in the country identified to begin MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- this exercise; . HABIR PRASAD): (a) Yes, Sir.

(d) whether any districts of Karnataka (b) Dr. Rajkumar Fans Association have this potential as Nilgiris for expansion resorted to 'Rail Roko' agitation in Karnataka in the small tea grower sector; and State on 17.2.1989. 343 Writtsn AnSW81S MARCH 31,1989 Written Answ8fS 344

(c) The demands included a separate (a) whether Government participated in railway zone for Karnataka, circular railway the ministerial level GAIT negotiations at for 8angalore City, preference to Kannadi- Montreal in December, 1988; gas in Railway jobs in Karnataka. (b) if so, the composition of the Indian (d) Railways are not considering crea- delegation; tion of any new zone for the present in view of severe financial constraints. Cc) whether Indian delegation did not give the assent due to disagreement on Circular railway being a scheme to meet three major areas; and the needs of urban transport within a city, initiative in this regard, is to be taken by the (d) if so, the details thereof? local authorities/state government. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE As per the present policy, recruitment in MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. Railways is made on merit based on per- DASMUNSI): (a) India participated in the formance in the examinationlinterviews. Ministerial level meeting of the Trade Nego- There is no quota for any region or state. tiations Committee of the Uruguay Round of Multilateral Trade Negotiations held at Chltradurga-Rayadurga Railway Route Montreal from 5-9 December, 1988. (Karnataka) (b) The composition of the Indian dele- 4356. SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: Will the gation is given in th9 Statement below. Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (c) and (d). Whereas results were (a) the progress made so far in the achieved at the Montreal meeting in number construction of Chitradurga~Rayadurga rail- of areas covered by the negotiations, no way line in Karnataka; and agreement could be reached on four subjects (namely, textiles and clothing, safe- (b) the time by which it is likely to be guards, agriculture and trade related as- completed? pects of intellectual property rights). Owing to disagreement in these key areas, the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE results achieved on other items were put "on MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- hold" until the next meeting of the Trade HABIR PRASAD): (a) Earthwork and Negotiations Committee scheduled for the bridges are in progress on Chitradurga- first week of April. 1989. when the entire Challakere Section. Most of the earthwork package of subjects would be reviewed. The on Malakalmuru-Rayadurga Section has decision was taken by consensus and the also been completed. Overall progress is Indian delegation did not express any con- 14%. trary view. (b) Completion of work will depend upon the availability of resources in the STATEMENT coming years. 1. Shri Dinesh Singh, Minister of Gatt Negotiations at Montreal Commerce. 4357. SHRI RAM BAHADUR SINGH: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased 2. Shri A.N. Varma, Secretary, Minis- to state: try of Commerce. 345 WtiIen AnSW91S CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 346

3. Shri S.J.S. Chhatwal, High THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Commissioner, High Commission DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS of India, Ottawa. IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). An Agree- 4. Shri M. Dubey, Secretary (10), ment with the World Bank was signed on Ministry of External Affairs. 17th November, 1988 tor a loan of $ 250 million to finance a multi-state road project in 5. Shri S.P. Shukla. Ambassador, which Rajasthan is one of the participating Permanent Mission of India, Ge- States. The share of ACJjasthan in the loan is neva. $ 58 million.

6. Shri Montek Singh Ahluwalia, Another loan/credit of $ 280 million has Special Secretary, Prime been recently negotiated with the World Minister's Office Bank for the Industrial Training Institutes (ITls). ITls in Rajasthan will also be covered 7. Shri A. V. Ganesan, Additional under this project. Secretary, Ministry of Industry. Multi-purpose ~dentity cards In elec- 8. Shri A. Hoda, Joint Secretary, tions Ministry of Commerce. 4359. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER 9. Shri S.S. Rajan Counsellor, High JAIN: Commission of India, Ottawa. DR. DAnA SAMANT:

10. Shri P.S. Randhawa, First Secre- Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE tary, Permanent Mission of India, be pleased to state: Geneva. (a) the steps taken by Union Govern- 11. Shri Rakesh Mohan, Private Sec- ment so far for Issuing mUlti-purpose identity retary to Commerce Minister. cards for the ensuing Lok Sabha and State Assemblies elections;

World Bank Assistance (b) the time by which the cards would be made available; and 4358. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (c) the reason for delay in this regard?

(a) whether Rajasthan Government THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has submitted some s~hemes to Union MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHAI Government for World Ba(lk assistance; H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) to (c). The Election Commission has set up a Sub-Committee of (b) H so, the details thereof; and Chief Electoral Officers for working out the modalities and preparatory steps for intro- (c) the decision taken or likely to be ducing the scheme of mUlti-purpose identity taken by Union Government with regard to cards. such cards will be introduced as soon the above schemes? as possible. 347 Writt9n AnSWBIS MARCH 31,1989 Written Answers 348

[Eng6sh) ( Trans/ation]

DePosita of Nationalised Banks Cases pending against Officials of Bank of Baroda 4360. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to 4361. SHRI R.P. SUMAN: Will the state: Minister of FINANCE pleased to state:

(a) the deposit of the nationalised (a) the State-wise number of officeers/ banks for the last three years as on 31 employees in the Bank of Baroda against December and on 10 January; whom action has been taken, who have been dismissed, and whose cases are still (b) whether there is great difference in pending for last three years and the number deposits on the two date; and out of them belonging to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes; (c) if so, the reasons therefor? (b) whether charge-sheets have not THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE been issued to th~ officers and employees DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS even after one year of their suspension and IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI if so, the reasons therefor and the norms EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a)to (c). the aggre- deCided/accepted for issuing charge-sheets gate deposits of Public Sector Banks as on to suspended employees; and the last Friday of December, 1986, 1987 and 1988 and as on the last Friday of the imme- (c) the action proposed to be taken by diate following fortnight i.e. in January 1987, Government for the early execution/dis- 1988 and 1989 were as under: posal of the cases?

(Rs. in crores) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS Date Deposits IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (c). Informa- 26.12.1~ 92481.33 tion is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House to the extent possible. 16.01.1987 91054.99 Excise Duty Concession on Cement 25.12.1987 106921.34 4362. DR. A.K. PATEL: Will the 15.01.1988 105768.75 Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

30.12.1988 127372.28 (a) the date from which concession in excise-duty was made available on cement 13.01.1989 123748.92 and how much it was per tonne;

The variations are mainly due to Banking (b) whether this concession was only transactions such as credit of accrued inter- for those who started production after the est, acceptance of short term deposits, and above mentioned date or it was available on withdrawals of large funds in the accounts by the production of the older manufacturing Institutions in the month of January. concerns who simply enlarged their produc- 349 WnlIen AnSW81S CHAITRA 10,1911 (SAKA) Written AnswelS 350 lion capacity after the above data and months of 1988-99; and

(c) the licence-holder cement manufac- (b) if so, whether the export targets for .turitIg ooncems who have availed of this 1988-89 were revised upwards in view of 00IW»SSi0n starting the amount of conces- such performance, if so, what were the origi- sion 0 availed in each of the last three years nal and revised targets? and also the weight of cement on which concession was grarlted each year? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DASMUNSI): (a) During the first 9 months of DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE the Current year (1988-89) export of engi- MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHAI A.K. neering goods, excluding electronics and PANJA): (a) The general concessional rate computer software, provisionally amounted of excise duty leviable on grey portland to Rs. 1030 crores as against Rs. 792 crores, cement is As. 215 per tonne. The conces- during the corresponding period last year, sional rate of basic excise duty on cement registering a growth of 30.05 per cent. manufacturing by factories that have started production during the period 1st January, (b) The original export target of Rs. 1962 to 31 st March, 1966 is As. 195 per 1340 crores for 1988-89 was revised upward tonne in respect of factories that have to Rs. 1650 crores after a mid-term review of started production on or after 1st April, 198(" engineering exports in the month of Septem- there is a concessional rate of basic excise ber 1988. The revised target of Rs. 1650 duty of Rs. 165 per tonne. In the case of crores excludes electronics and computer cement manufactured by factories using software segments. vertical shaft kiln and with the total licenced capacity not exceeding 200 tonnes per day Priority Sector Landings by Commer- the concessional rate of excise duty appli- cial Banks cable is Rs. 115 per tonne. 4364. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will the (b) Where the concessional rate of duty Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: is related to the commencement of production. It is available to such factories that have (a) whether Government have pre- started production during the period in ques- scribed norms for commercial banks for tion. advances to the priority sector;

(c) Information in this regard is being (b) ~ so, the details thereof; collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (c) whether the foreign banks operating in India are covered by such norms, and Increase in Export of Engineering Goods (d) the Government' evaluation of -foreign bank's performance with regard to 4363. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH: Will socially oriented schemes? the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the exports of engineering DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS I goods, excluding electronics and software IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRf registered a 31 per cent rise in the first 9 EDUARDO FAlEIRO): (a) and (b). Aft 351 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written Answers 352

Scheduled Commercial Bank have been Member is presumably referring to the serv- advised by Reserve Bank of India that 40% ice Area Approach in which a group of 15-25 of their total outstanding credit should be for villages would be allotted to a rural and semi- Priority Sector which includes agriculture, urban bank branch with a view to bring about small scale industries, small business etc. an orderly and planned disbursement of Further, 10% total outstanding credit should credit. The work of allocation of villages to be for weaker sections which includes small bank branches commenced in April, 1988 and marginal farmers tenant farmers and and has been completed. Under this ap- share croppers, landless labourers, arti- proach, bank branches will have to first sans, Scheduled Castes and Scheduled conduct a survey of the villages allotted to it Tribes and beneficiaries under poverty alle- and prepare village profiles indicating the viation programme. Banks have also been types of activities carried on in their service advised that advances to direct agriculture area and having potential for lending. On the should reach a level of aUeast 18% of the basis of village profiles branches will pre- total credit by the end of March, 1990. pare Annual Credit Plan for lending for different identified activities, keeping in view the (c) and (d). The Reserve Bank of India infrastructural and other facilities available has recently advised the foreign banks and proposed to be created. Reserve Bank operating in the country that their priority of India (RBI) has issued gUidelines to sector advances should reach a level of 10% banks for commencing lending under Serv- oftheir netoutstandings by the end of March, ice Area Approach from 1.4.1989. Hence, 1989, to be progressively increased to 15% the question of providing details of loans by the end of March, 1992. According to provided by banks under thiS approach does Reserve Bank of India the total outstanding not anse. credit in priority sector of 17 out of 21 foreign banks operating in India as at the end of Request for provision of Additional June, 1987 constituted 5.9% of their lotal Assistance for On-Going Irrigation outstanding credit. Projects of Andhra Prodesh

Banking Programme to Speed up Rural 4366. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will the Development Minister of WATER RESOURCES be pleased to state: 4365. SHRI T. BALA GOUD: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: (a) whether the Andhra Prad8sh Gov- ernment has requested Union Government (a) whether Government had an- to provide additional financial assistance for nounced a package of banking programme the completion of on-going major and me- intended to speed up ruraf development; dium irrigation projects under construction at present; (b) if so, the details thereof; and (b) if so, since when the said request is (c) the details of the loans so far pro- pending with Union Government; -vided by the banks under this programme? (c) what action has been taken so far on THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the request; and DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI (d) by when the said request is likely to EDUARDO FALEIAO): (a) to (c). The Han. be acceded to? 353 Written Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 354

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Trade ZonelExport Processing Zone at MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES Santacruz Electronic Export Processing (SHRI MATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) to (d). No Zone (SEEPZ). Exports of jewellery during formal request for providing additional finan- 1987 -88 and 1988-89 are: cial assistance for completion of on-going major and medium irrigation projects has (Value in Rs. crores) been received from the State Government. However, in connection with the Special Year Exports Foodgrains Production Programme for at- tainment of foodgrain production target JhandewaJan, SEEPZ" envisaged in the Seventh plan, the Govern- New Delhi. Bombay ment of Andhra Pradesh had initially indicated a requirement of about Rs. 98 crores 1987-88 1.18 Nil for accelerating work on certain projects. It was clarified to the State representatives 1988-89 2.36 4.20 that such a large additional outlay would not be available under this programme. A sum of (upto 10.2.88) (upto 28.2.89) Rs. 932 lakhs as additional Plan outlay during 1988-89 has been allocated to Andhra (b) and (c). Requests have been re- Pradesh for accelerating work on three proj- ceived to set up such complexes at Ahme- ects in the State under the above pro- dabad, Jaipur. Snnagar and Calcutta. State gramme. Governments have been requested to Iden- tify sUitable sponsoring agencies as well as Jewellery Export Centres building premises for such complexes. Ef· forts are also being made to promote setting 4367. SHRI MOHANBHAI PATEL: Will up of jewellery exporting units in Export the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to Processing Zones in the country. Besides, in state: recent past, a number of policy initiatives have also been taken to promote exports of (a) the details of jewellary export jewellery which, inter-alia, include simplifi· centres functioning in the country at present cation, streamlining and relaxation of proce- and the value of jewellery exported from dures under Gold Control Act (1968) and each centre during 1987-88 and 1988-89 till relaxation in bank credit facilities, etc. date; [ Translation} (b) whether there is any proposal to establish more jewellery export centres in Illegal Import of Motor Vehicles the country to boost this trade; and

(c) if so, the details thereof and the 4368. SHRIJITENDRA SINGH: Will the action taken by Government in the respect? Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether officers and employees of MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. the D.R.1. have made some arrests in con- DASMUNSI): (a) One 100 per cent export nection with illegal import of motor vehicles; oriented gem and jewallery complex IS functioning at New Delhi. Jewellery Exporting (b) if so, the details thereof during the Units have also been set up under the Free last one year, till date; 355 Written AnsW91S MARCH 31.1989 Written AnswelS 356

(c) the details of the persons who have Import Duties and had suggested rationali- purchased such vehicles; and sation of these taxes of ckeck smuggling; and (d) the action taken or proposed to be taken against the culprits? (b) if so, whether Government have considered this recommendation and if so, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the details thereof and ~ not, the reasons DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE therefor? MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A. K. PANJA): (a) to (d). Yes, Sir, The Officers of THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Directorate of Revenue Intelligence have DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE during the last one year from 1st March, MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A. K. 1988 to 28th February, 1989, arrested one PANJA): (a) and (b). The National Institute of person named Shri Haren P. Choksey who Public Finance and Policy. in its report en- was involved in the unauthorised importa- titled 'Aspects of the Block Economy in India' tion of foreign cars and he has since been observed that one of the causes for large detained under the Conservation of Foreign scale smuggling of goods such as man- Exchange and Prevention of Smuggling made fibres, for which there is considerable Activities Act, 1974 on 3rd February, 1988. demand within the country, is said to be the The two cars that have been seized in thiS high excise and import duty structures. it was case have been purchased by one Shri stated that reduction in the rates of excise Shally Thapar, resident of E. 300, Greater and customs could, while improving tax Kailash Part-I, New Delhi and Shri Vijay Syal compliance, also be expected to bring down of Delhi. the volume of smuggling. The observations made in this report, as also the recommen- Section 124 of the Customs Act, 1962, dations made from time to time by some stipulates that a show cause notice be is- other committees and groups. have been sued to the person from whose possession kept in view while deciding the excise and the cars have been seized before they are import duty rates on mad-made fibres, yarns confiscated. The persons found involved in and fabrics. In the Budget for 1988-89, sub- the unauthorised importation of these cars stantial reduction was made in the rates of are liable for penalty in departmental adjudi- excise duty on man-made fibres and yarns. cation and prosecution in Courts of law. [English] Smuggling of Man made Yarn and Fabrics Appointment of Handicaps on Southern Railway 4369. SHRIJITENDRA SINGH: Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: 4370. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (a) whether the National Institute of Public Finance and Policy appointed by (a) whether in the year 1984, appoint- Board of Direct Taxes had submitted a de- ment orders in the cadre of L.D.C.s were tailed report in regard to 'Black Money' in issued against handicapped quota by the 1985 wherein apart from other recommen- Southern Railway especially under the Tri- dations, it was suggested that the reason for vandrum Division; smuggling of man made yarn and fabrics and other equipment was heavy Excise, and (b) if so, the details regarding order of 357 Written AnSW81S CHAITRA 10,1911 (SAKA) Written AnsW91S 358 merit list and how many have been allowed (e) if not, how many vacancies have 10 to join; be filled in handicapped quota? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (c) the details regarding candidates not MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- aflowed to join and the reasons therefor; HABIR PRASAD): (a) and (b). A list offifteen physicalry handicapped candidates se- (d) how many L.D.Cs have been ap- lected for appointment as ClerkslTracer pointed by the Southern Reilway from Gen- against the quota for the physically handi- eral Quota and from handicapped quota capped was prepared by the Southern Rail- during the year 1984 to 1988, whether the way in 1984. Eight of these candidates were quota for handicappedhas han been filled; allotted to Trivandrum Division, the details and being as under:- SI. No. Name Panel in which included S/Shri 1. V. Arvindakshan pilla; Office Clerks other than Accounts Department

2. Thomas Varghese -do-

3. P.S. Rita -do-

4. E.K. Nirmala -do-

5. P. T. Mohanan Accounts Clerks

6. Vijayakumariamma -do-

7. K.Kochusankoo(SC) -do-

9. P. Santhoshkumar Tracer

Four of these persons had been offered cies in the other three cases. Offers of ap- appointment; this includes one selected for pointment in Palghat Division to all these the post of tracer who was appointed as a four candidates have since been issued by Clerk on the Palghat Division pursuant to an the Southern Railway. order of a Court of Law. (d) and (e). The information regarding (c) Four candidates out of this panel number of candidates appointed as Lower were not earlier offered appointment; inad- Division Clerk on Southern Railway is as vertently in one case and for want of vacan- under: Year Total Number Number of physi- of clerks cally handicapped appointed candidates out of column (2J 1984-85 295 9 1985-86 263 40 * Selection in process. 1986-87 367 30 1987-88 189 1114 79 359 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written Answers 360

Information regarding fulfiUing the ters have been reviewed recently; and quota for physically handicapped in the cate- (b) if so, the details thereof and if not. the gory of Lower Division Clerks on the South- reasons therefor? ern Railway. in being conected and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI MA- Wag. Gr.evance. of Railway porters HABtR PRASAD): (a) and (b). The porterage charges. are rwiewed by Zonal Railway 4371. SHRI C. SAMBU: Will the Minis- from time to time. The details of the porter- ter of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: ilge charges fixed by the Zonal Railway after the last review are indicated in the Statement (8) whether the porterage rates of par- below 381 WrIten Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (&AKA) Written Answ8l'S ! CD .n ::l - 0; Q) en ,..: iQ) c:o ex) CD f Q) c:o cO E Q) Q) CD Q) cD Q) cD a: ,g co ..: CI) Q) ~ en Ii ~ ". o_~ It) as ~ ~ w; ~ .8 ~ as as as E g (Ii ... :::l ~ ~ ~ CI t:i N c .£l C C 0) C c ~ :::l CI to as ~ IV ~ :::J -, u. -, -, < -, c .,. '0 LU Ii ~ ~ Q :i;C Q. C as (1-0 ~ 0 ... ·- to (I) )(ta1U c: _<00(I~- ...CI :a- fI) eti ~c,; 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 '"CD (/)Q: ""I:t 0 0 III 0 0 ~ 0 0 ~ C\i N N N N N N ~ () ~:§. ~ ""I:t E "i .... U) en ~ 0 "> a. 'b ...CD ~ .a i I- 'bqs en Z :I Q) 8. W e .c e :E C5 ...Q) Q. UI (I) Q. CD l- .c .g. CI) C c: ", I- ... -c: (I) Q) ·B ta Q.

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Posting of High Court Judges from (b) if so, whether the programme for outside the State development of the targeted wasteland has not yet been taken up in many parts of the 4372. SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOZ ALI country as yet; KHAN: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUS- TICE be pleased to state: (c) if so, the problems being faced in the implementation of this programme, State- (a) whether the system of posting of wise; and Chief Justices and Judges of High Courts from Outside the State has been given up; (d) the steps taken by Government so far for removing these difficulties? (b) if so, the reasons thereof; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) if not, the steps taken to enforce the DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS system strictly; IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) to (d). National (c) the High Courts which have the Chief Bank for Agriculture and Rural Development Justices from within their own State; and (NABARD) has stated that it has not published any Report on wastelands develop- (e) the reasons therefor? ment. However, NABARD has taken various steps for wastelands development in the THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- country and important ones are indicated TICE AND WATER RESOURCES (SHRI B. below: SHANKARANAND): (a) No, Sir. (I) PrOVision of refinance to banks in (b) Does not arise. respect of projects by Forest De- velopment Corporations. (c) The system is being enforced. (ii) ProvIsion of refinance to banks in (d) and (e). The High Courts of Al- respect of Farm Forestry Scheme lahabad and ..Iammu & Kashmir have at undertaken by indiVidual farmers pl'8santChief Justices from within their own or groups of individuals for raising States. The Chief Justice of the former IS due tree plantations. tD retir.~, and of the latter is due for a transfer. (iii) PrOVISion of refinance to banks in respect of commercial nurseries r Tr ..!nslation] for ral.31ng of seedlings of fodder, t ...'eiwood, timber and fruit trees for NABARD Report on Wasteland planting In wastelands.

(IV) ProvIsion of refinance to banks in 4373. SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI Will respect of captive plantation the Minister of FINANCE bepteased to state: 5chemes on wastelands by user- Industries to meet their own raw (.) whether Government have I'Iaived material reqUirements. tt.l8lpMlof the Nationat 8d for AortcuI- _ ... Rural Development regarding de- (v) Preparation of model wastelands ~ of Wasteland; development projects. 36S Wnlren AnSMHS CHAITRA lOt 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswetS 366

(vi) Provision of refinance to banks in for a period of three years except in the case respect of schemes formulated of cotton textiles where the rates will be valid under Tree Patta Scheme. upto 31st December, 1991. The rates of CCS are fixed item-wise and not State-wise. [English) [ Translation] Committee on Cash Compensatory SUpport Scheme News-item Captioned, "RBI Study Favours Low Tax Rebates" 4374. SHAI V. TULSIAAM: SHAI BALASAHEB VIKHE 4375. SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: Will PATIL: the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

Will the Minister of COMMERCE be (a) whether the attention of Govern- pleased to state: ment has been drawn to the news item appearing In the "Hindustan Times' dated 6 (a) whether Government have ap- March, 1989 under caption "RBI study fa- pointed a high powered committee to fix the vours low tax rebates"; and new rates of cash compensatory support for d~ferent export items; (b) if so, the follow up action taken by Government on the various conclusions (b) if so, the composition of the commit- emerged from the said RBI study? tee and the time by which it IS expected to submit its report; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS (c) the period for which the committee IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI will fix the rates; and EDUARDO FALEIRO): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The Reserve Bank of India in its Occasional (d) the State-wise details of items cov- papers of September, 1988 brought outfind- ered under the new scheme particularly ings of a research study conducted by one of garments and hand-made items from its offICers on the subject of "Impact of Fiscal Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra? Policy on the Private Corporate Sector-1970 to 1987-88". The study inter-alia points out: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the general impreSSion that the Indian Cor- MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. porate Sector is over-taxed seems to be DASMUNSI): (a) to (d). There is a Standing unfounded; numerous fiscal incentives and Inter-Ministerial Committee to review and concessions had brought down the effedive determine the CCS rates on individual ex- tax rates on the corporate sector in India to port produds from time to time. Representa- levels which are comparable or lower than tives of Ministry of Commerce, Ministry of those even in some developed economies Finance (Department of Economic Affairs and tax reduction measures may be com- and Department of Revenue), Ministry of bined with a review and reduction of fiscal Industry (Directorate General of Technical concessions and incentives etc. Development) and Chief Controller of Im- ports & Exports are members of this Findings of all such studies, as and Co.{nmittee. The new rates of CCS on indi- when these become available, are taken into vidual export produds will come into force account while formulating Government p0l- with effect from 1.4.1989 and will be in force icy. 367 Written Answel5 MARCH 31,1989 Written AnsW9fS 368

[English} save Calcutta Port from the dander of siltage; Proposal to Enhance Amount of Loan Under Gramodaya Pathakamu Scheme (b) if so, how far the diversion of the Brahmaputra water has helped in solving the 4376. SHRI C. SAMBU: Will the Minis- problem of siltage in Calcutta Port; ter of FINANCE be pleased to state: (c) if it has failed to achieve the ex-

(b) wht:tlher the amount is sufficient to (d) if not, what best utilisation can be start business; and made of this huge quantum of water?

Cc) if not, whether there is any proposal THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to enhance the amount and if so, the details MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES in this regard? (SHRIMA TI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) to (d). The Water of Brahmaputra river is not diverted to THE M1NISTER OF STATE IN THE Calcutta Port. DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Export of Non-Traditional Items to UK. eDUARDO FALEIAO): (a) to (c). Presuma- bIy, the question relates to the Self Employ- 4378. SHRI S. B. SIDNAL: Will the ment Scheme for Educated Unemployed Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to Youth (SEEUY) intrC'duced during the year state: 1983-84. Under this scheme, a composite loan not exceeding As. 35,000/- for indus- (a) whether Britain Will help India export trial ventures, Rs. 25,000/- for service ven- non-traditional items like engineering goods tures and Rs. 15,0001- for small business etc. to bndge the deficit in bilateral trade; ventures is provided to the entrepreneurs. Under SEEUY the banks, subject to the (b) if so, whether any final d~cision in ceilings mentioned above, sanction an this regard has been taken; and amount which is considered adequato for undertaking the proposed venture and there (c) if so, the main features of the agree- is no proposal, forthe present, for enhancing m~nt arrived at between the two countries? tne eXIsting loan limits. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Water of Brahmaputra River Flowing to MINISTRY OF COMMERCE SHRI P.R. Farakka Area DASMUNSI): (a) to (c). In the meeting of the Indo-British Economic Committee held in 4377. SHRI HUSSAIN DALWAI: Will February. 1989 in New Delhi. possibilities of the Minister of WA TER RESOURCES be expansion as well as diversification of the pleased to state: trade between the two countries was discussed. It was agreed that both sides wiU (a) whether the water of Brahmaputra make efforts to increase trade levels so as to river, whicb was flowing to Farakka area, correct the imbalance in trade. Agreed Min- was diverted to Calcutta Port with a view to utes were signed at the conclusion of the 381 Written AnswetS CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 370 meeting which, inter-alia. covered coopera- project in Punjab till the end of the Seventh tion in the area of trade and trade promotion, Five Year Pian. However, the Government multilateral issues and industrial coopera- of Punjab have reported that by the end of tion in sectors like power, food processing, the Eighth Five Year Plan an area of 3.48 petro-chemicals and fertilizers, petroleum lakh ha. would be brought under irrigation by and natural gas, civH aviation, electronics, this Project. telecommunications, machine tools and automotive components etc. Purchase Policy For Drugs and MedI- cines River Valley Project In Punjab 4380. SHRI VIJAY N. PATIL: Will the 4379. SHRI KAMAl CHAUDHRY: Will Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to the Minister of WATER RESOURCES be state: pleased to state: (a) whether Government's preferential (a) whether the River Valley Projeds purchase policy for drugs and medicines have been started in Punjab; favouring the public and joint sector units goes against the interest of the small scale (b) • so, the details there of; sector;

(c) the amount of assistance provided (b) whether Government's purchases by Union Government to Punjab during the from the public and joint sectors are on last three years, year-wise and the area higher rates as compared to the rates quoted covered under the scheme; and by the small scale sector; and

(d) the area likely to be covered by the (c) if so, the reasons for notfollowing the River Valley Projects in Punjab by the end of policy of open tender to decide the matter on Seventh Five Year Pian? mer~s?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): (a) and (b). DASMUNSI): (a) The purchase policy of Yes, Sir. The mUltipurpose river valley proj- Government does not allow any purchase or ect nam&ly Ranjit Sagar Dam on river Ravi price preference to the public Sector units has been taken up by the Government of over the small Scale Units. A few items of Punjab for harnessinrt the irrigation and druC'ls ~nrl Phurmaceuticals, which are not hydro power potential of the river. The proj- manufactured In the small scale sedor, are ectcomprises a 160 m. high dam and power procured from public sector units only. plant with 600 MW installed capacity. (b) Does not arise. (c) The project is being construded by the Govemment of Punjab out of its own (b) Does not arise. ntsources. However, the Central Govern- ment made available additional resources of Export of Books Rs. ~~res in 1985-86 and Rs. 35 crores in 1986-87 for the project. 4381. SHRI R. M. SHOYE: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to (d) No area is likely to be covered by the state: 371 WrMtM An.... MARCH 31,1989 Written AnswetS 372

(a) Whether India is exporting books to ExcIu Duty Concession on Cement toreign countries; Production

(b) if so, the number of books exported 4382. DR. A. K. PATEL: Will the Minis- during the last two years, language-wise and ter of FINANCE be pleased to state: the names of countries to which these books we,e exported; and (a) whether the excise duty concession nas been allowed on cement produdion;

(c) whether there has been any in- (b) if so, the details thereof; crease or decrease in the export of such books during the last three years? (c) the names of the cement manufacturing companies availing this concession and the amount of concession availed by THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE each one of them in each of the last three MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHAI P.R. years and the current year; and DASMUNSI): (a) Yes, Sir. (d) whether this concession is available (b) and (c). The estimated value of to old manufactures also who were able to books and other publications, including enlarge their production capacity without newspapers and periodicals, exported from obtaining a fresh licence? India during the last three years is given below: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IN THE Year Export (Rs.lcrores) MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI A.K.PANJA): (a) and (b). The general 1985-86 24.00 concessional rate of excise duty liveable on grey portioned cement is As. 215 per tonne. 1986-97 26.00 The concessional rate of basic excise duty on cement manufactured by factories that 1987-88 27.00 have started production during the period 1st January, 1982 to 31st March, 1986 is Rs. 195 per tonne. In respect of faqtories that Export date for the total number of books and have started production on or after 1st April. books exported language-wise are not being 1986, there is a concessional rate of basic maintained. The major countries to which excise duty of Rs. 165 pertonne.ln the case books and publications have been exported of cement manufactured by factories using are UK, USA, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Sin- vertical shaft kiln and with the total licenced gapore, Bangladesh, Bahrain, Tanzania, Sri capacity not exceeding 200 tonnes per day, Lanka, Qatar Oman Malaysia, kuwait, Ja- the concessional rate of excise duty appli- pan, West Germany, USSR, Pakistan, cable is Rs. 115 per tonne. China, Kenya and Egypt. Exports have shown marginal increase during last three (c) Information in this regard is being years. collected and will be laid on the Table of the House.

(SoUlCS: Chemicals & Allied Products (d) where the concessional rate of duty Export Promotion Council, Calcutta). is related to tile commencement of produc- 373 Written Answers CHAlTRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) 374 lion. it is available to such factories that have them say that they have not consuhed the started produdion during the period in ques- Attorney General. tion. MR. SPEAKER: I don't know whether 12.00 hra. they have consulted or whether they are allowed to consult. As far as I am concerned, PROF. MADHU DANDAVA TE (Ra- I will consult on my own. japur): Sir, I want to make some enquiry about your announcement in the House. The PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: No other day you have announced that you are aspersions on you, Sir. We want to know seeking opinion from the Attorney General. from the Home Minister.

MR. SPEAKER: I will see when it MR. SPEAKER: You do it with him. comes. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: We PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Before cannot talk to th&:n directly. That is the rule you made that announcement that you are of the House. Throug~1 you I would like to ask going to consult the Attorney General, we the Home Minister whether they have con- learn that the Government had already sulted the Attorney General and what is his consulted the Attorney General. Hit is so, we opinion. would like to know what is his opinion. MR. SPEAKER: I shall have to look up MR. SPEAKER: I am concerned with the rules whether they are barred from con- myseH. sulting him. I don't know whether they have consulted him or not. As far as I am con- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: But we cerned, I am going to consult on my own are concerned with the Government. behalf. I am going to get it categorically. Not only verbally but I have written to him also to MR. SPEAKER: Might be, but so far as give his complete opinion. my ruling is\ concerned, I can only consult various persons on whom I can rely under PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: They the Constitution. don't want to answer?

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You MR. SPEAKER: I don't know. cannot rely on Government, Sir ... ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I will rely on my own judgement. MR. SPEAKER: Now, I have asked Geetaji. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: We are told that they have already consulted and (Interruptions) then they have suggested that you can consult. [ Translation] MR. S?EAKER: You can ask them. I am not concerned with that. MR.SPEAKER: I have asked Shrimati Geetaji. You, Should not insist. Why do you PROF. MANDHU DANDAVATE: Let disturb? 375 Writtsn Answers MARCH 31, 1989 Written AnswetS 378

( Int9rruptions) case. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Why can't you be quiet MR. SPEAKER: We shall discuss it and be cooperative all the time.? Please sit when the time comes. down. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY ( Interruptions) (Mahbubnagar): Sir, the extracts of suppressed volumes of Thakkar Commission MR. SPEAKER: She has had bad Report are appearing in instalments in the health for some time. I have called her. newspapers.

SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE MR. SPEAKER: I don't bother about it. (Panskura): I would like to draw the attention of the House to an important subject, Le. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Are we to attrocities on women. consult the Indian Express? Are we at the mercy of the newspapers? KUMAR I MAMATA BANERJEE (Jadavpur): What about Supriya? MR. SPEAKER: I am not concerned with it. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: If you open any newspaper, either regional SHRI JAIPAL REDDY: I WOUld, there- language or English, from all parts of India fore, like to know the time frame within which every day you will find that there are more your ruling will come. than one news about the attrocities on women. I want a special discussion here, not MR. SPEAKER: The minute I get the be hemmed in into the discussion of Home advice I will do it. I am not a machine. I have Ministry's demands. I have given a notice, explained on the floor of the House that I Sir. (Interruptions) have given it the highest priority. Not only that, I have written completely in detail what MR. SPEAKER: Geetaji I have already I want. I have asked him to categorically give allowed your submission. On that score I me the appropriate opinion. It is up to him have never disallowed anything like that. We now-today or tomorrow or whatever it is- but have always allowed it. I have to do it.

SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: SHRI H. A. DORA (Srikakulam): By the have given a notice under 193. time you get the opinion the entire Report will be out. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: You have already done it so, we can cut it down. You can take the MR. SPEAKER: Again you are doing time. You can give in writing and we shall the same thing I have already told you that I discuss it. am not concerned with any other thing. If he says it is not a complete Report then I will ask SHRI P. A. KUMARAMANGALAM the Government to put it on the Table of the (Salem): She should have supported when House. Ms Jayalalitha issue came up. (Interruptions) KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE: They have opposed the discussion on Supriya SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDV (NaI- 3n Written Answers CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written Answers 378 gonda): Are we to go to Indian Express to get I try to be strictly within the rules .... the complete Report? PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He was MR. SPEAKER: I don't know. suspended for that!

( Interruptions) SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN SINGH: While I am yet to get what I want. the MR. SPEAKER: I have told you when I professors will get the better of you. ask a certain person only then he is allowed. MR. SPEAKER: No ... Yes. Shri C.P.N. Singh. SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN ( Interruptions) SINGH: Please let me say what I want to.

MR. SPEAKER: Please, when I have MR. SPEAKER: But I also want to point allowed a person don't interrupt him. out one thing ..

( Interruptions) SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN SINGH: I want to say that within the rules I MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Tanti, you are have not managed to do or say what I want. always incorrigible. I have allowed that hon. Now, the Thakkar Commission has taken a gentleman. Why are you interrupting? lot of time. But much before that, I had very Please sit down. Do not interrupt and behave humbly, within the rules, asked for a half an properly like a gentleman, which I suppose hour discussion about the question concern- you are. ing leakages of various secrets, whether they are defence secrets or the Thakkar SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN Comm ission. But you have not given your SINGH (Padrauna): Sir, I am grateful that ruling. you think me to be an honourable gentleman. But being a gentleman, unfortunately, MR. SPEAKER: Mr. C.P. N. Singh, look does not seem to pay. here ...

MR. SPEAKER: What do you mean by SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN that? SHINGH: It IS pendlrlg for a long time .... (lnterruptlOns) SHRI CHANDRA PRAT AP NARAIN SINGH: I will be more explicit. It is a pleasure MR. SPEAKER: You are outshining to hear Shri Indrajit Gupta. Whether it be the your brilliance! It is absolutely out of rule. Opposition or the Ruling Benches or you, all will agree with me when I say that he is the one member who always gets his word said SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN within the rules. SINGH: There is something more I want to tell you. Before this, I have given something MR. SPEAKER: Yes, that is right. regarding what Prof. Madhu Dandavate said regarding Sanjay Gandhi while speaking on SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN the Bhopal Gas Tragedy. You said that it was SINGH: Fortunately or unfortunately. I have not within the rules and you did not permit me been trying to emulate and imitate him and to speak. 379 MARCH 31, 1989 Written Answers 380

MR. SPEAKER: Now also, you are SHRt CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN speaking out of rules only. SINGH: No Sir ..... • You have been. You show us the rules. But what do you do if we SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN threaten to walk out? SINGH: What I said was expunged. But what they say is not expunged. MR. SPEAKER: Walk out, if you like.

MR. SPEAKER: Now you say what you SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN want to say. You quoted Shri Indrajit Gupta. SINGH: I will not walk out now. Mr. Indrajit Gupta says within the bounds, but you do not. That is the problem. MR. SPEAKER: Then I will name you. What is this? You are casting reflections on SHAI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN the Chair all the time. SINGH: I cannot. Hi is a senior parliamentarian. Also, only lung power seems to work SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN with you. SINGH: You cast aspersions on me. Yester- day, just before I asked the question. what MR. SPEAKER: No. I do not agree with did you say? you. Sit down. MR. SPEAKER: No question at all. You SHAI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN cannot browbeat me like that. It is impossible SINGH: I had given you a notice for a haH an to understand. I will name you. I am not going hour discussion long back. Yesterday or day to take it like that. before, Shri Sharad Oighe's motion was admitted and there was discussion on his SHAI M. AAGHUMA REDDY (Nal- notice. I had given notice much before. What gonda): He did cast aspersions on you Sir. happened to it.? He said that "...... "

MR. SPEAKER: It takes time. It is not MR. SPEAKER: Yes. Absolutely right. binding .... He is casting aspersions.

( Interruptions) SHRI H. A. DORA (Srikakulam): He has said that "...... " MR. SPEAKER: Will. you may shout whatever you like. It takes time ... Those words should be expunged. He said that categorically. ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Absolutely correct. SHRJ CHANDRA PRATAP NATAIN That is what he has said. SINGH: People should be hanged for Sati, people should be hanged for drug abuse, but not for treason! That is why secrets are (interruptions) out. .. { Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: You are troubling the MR. SPEAKER: I am not bound by your House without any relevance. Yes, Mr. wishes. I am not bound by the wishes of the Kurien. han. member. Now you have taken the whole House for a ride. ( Interruptions) ·*Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 381 CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnSW'e1S 382

PROF. P.J. KURIEN (ldukki): You MR. SPEAKER: Whatever has hap- called me Sir. I want to say ... pened has happened before you.

( Interruptions) THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- SHRI P. K. THUNGAN (Arunachal FORMATION AND BR0f'0CASTING West): I would lik,e to submit .... (SHRI H. K.L. BHAGA D: NOl hon. Member, whoever he may be, is justified in casting any MR. SPEAKER: No, first I want to settle direct or indirect aspersions on the Chair. one account. Let him apologise. Mr. C.P.N. That should not be done by anybody. No- Singh has to apologise. body should do that. That is wrong. H such aspersions are cast it is bad. Nobody can SHRI P. K. THUNGAN: Of course,l do support that. Nobody would like that. In this not support what he has said .... case Sir, he has already expressed his regret. I also offer my regret. Such aspersions SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN should also be expunged from the records. SINGH: Sir, you said that ul have taken the House 10r a ride." I said, ...... MR. SPEAKER: Okay.

MR. SPEAKER: I said it. SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI (Guwahati): Sir, I was not here I find that the discussion SHRI CHAN DR/} PRATAP NARAIN on Thakkar Commission Report is to start SINGH: Then, I shQutd apologise? from Monday. If the ruling does not come, then I do not think that the discussion would MR. SPEAKER: Yes. You have to be possible on Monday. Therefore, I would apologise. It ;s my job to see that the House like to have your decision on that because is run according to rules. this will be subject to your ultimate ruling and your decision in the matter. ( Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: I will do it when I give MR. SPEAKER: If I am wrong, then my ruling. We have fixed it for Monday. By throw me out of this House. If I am wrong, that time let us see if something happens. move a No Confidence Motion against me and throw me out of this House. I don't like SHRI O!NESH GOSWAMI: But, then it. I am not going to take it lying down. we will not get the full Report, Sir. (Interrup- tions) ( Interruptions) MR.SPEAKER:lookhere.ltisasimple MR. SPEAKER: It is impossible to work question of technicality, whether the whole like that. No. Mr. Minister. It is too much. He Report has been laid. If it is the whole Report, is trying to browbeat me all the time. What then there is no question. If I give a ruling that does he think of himself? this is not the whole Report, then the whole Report has to come. Then naturally, we will (Interruptions) have to postpone it.

SHRI. S. JAIPAL REDDY SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI: That is all (Mahbubnagar): What happened Sir? right. (Interruptions)

"'Expunged as ordered by the Chair. .383 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Written!"nswelS 384

PROF. P.J. KURIEN (Idukki): I am only need it, if we think so. Yes Mr. Tanti. >\ making a humble submission, about four la~th Malayalees in Delhi. Summer vacation SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI (Kalia- has started and it is found that there are no bor): You sought the advice of the Attorney adequate facilities for them to go to Kerala. . General the other day and tilfdate you have Iwould only request you to direct the Railway not received., ... ~nister to run some summer specials for going to Kerala from Delhi. Will you give your MA. SPEAKER: There is nothing new. direction, Sir? This is what I have already said. Why are you repeating everything? MR. SPEAKER: You give it to me. Iwill see. I will consider that. SHRI BHADRESWAR TANTI: The Government has already withdrawn the . PROF. P. J. KURIEN: Thank you. notification ....

SHRI RANJIT .SINGH GAEKWAD MA. SPEAKER: There is nothing new. (Baroda): Sir, killing of people in Tibet.. SHRI-BHADRESWAR TANTI: We are MA. SPEAKER: This is something to be entitled to have the full Roport; Sir. discussed with me. You can come and see me. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ(Baramulla): It is a matter of principle, not that any Member SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS (Mav- of the Opposition has approached me. On elikara): I am on a point about Bachawat the eve of Holi, some Members of the Oppo- Commission. sition were suspended. They were sus- , pended from participating in the Debates but . MR. SPEAKER: You can give a Calling the DA could not be suspended. It has to be Attention or something, not Adjournment restored in a dignified manner. (Interrup- Motion. tions)

SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: From SHRI THAMPAN THOMAS: We do not 1978, the journalists have not got salary want any allowance for suspension period. revision. I have given a Motion. The suspension should be rescinded.

MA. SPEAKER: I will see to it. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: You do not want it. But I want a ruling on this. (Interrup- tions) SHRI V. KISHORE CHANDRA S. DEO (Parvathipuram): Sir, after the Report was placed on the Table of thl'>House- it became I want to raise it as a matter of principle, the property of the HOLJse.So, my submis- not that any Opposition Member has told me. sion is that propriety demands that the Attor-. I want your ruling. The DA cannot be sus- ney General should be summoned over here pended. That is my submission. to make a submission. [ Translation]

MR. SPEAKER: That can also be taken MA. SPEAKER: .Soz Saheb, please sit into account when the time comes, if we down. 385 Written Answers CHA\lRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Written AnswslS 386

(Cirgdstr( report ana' ((lere IS nOC(l(ng fun(ler w(l,cfl should or can be laid, and in the meantime This is not a matter to be discussed before you come to your conclusion, if the here. portions of the report alleged to be the withheld continue to appear in the newspapers ( Interruptions) without any contradiction from the Govern- ment-they are appearing every day, yes- [ Translation] terday, today. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: You will be given a You and the House should not be put in sympathetic hearing. an anomalous position. I do not want you to be put in that anomalous position. You will be SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI (Ghosi): Mr. in a very embarrassing position, if you are Speaker, Sir we do not want D.A. for those given advice which you accept. on the basis days. of which you will give a ruling that "What has been laid is the whole repo,", and nothing (Interruptions) further should be laid or can be laid ....

[English] MR. SPEAKER: I haveto see. I will have to consider what can be done. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: I want a ruling. (Interruptions) SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: In the meantime without any contradiction from the side SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Sir. my sub- of the Government large extracts are being mission is. D.A. may not be given. but sus- published every day in the Press purporting pension may be rescinded. (Interruptions) to be the withheld portions of the report. Then what will happen? The position will be SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE very akward and it will be highly anomalous. (Bolpur): We do not want suspension allowance. MR. SPEAKER: I do not know. I have to look into that. [ Translation] SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: The Govern- MR. SPEAKER: But if we want to give it. ment does not make its stand clear.

PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: I want a rul- PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: We are ing for the future. (interruptions) demanding that they should be laid here, but they are being laid on the table of the editors! PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Ra- japur): Add it to the Prime Minister's Fund. MR. SPEAKER: Might be, Might not be; I do not know.

SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat): (In terruptions) Sir, may I make a statement? You may find yourself and the whole House may find itself SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Extracts are in a highly anomalous position. Because. if appearing in the press. you are satisfied after taking advice and all that, that what has been laid is the whole MR. SPEAKER: I do not know what it is. 387 Written Answers MARCH 31,1989 Papers Laid 388

SHRI INORAJIT GUPTA: The Home 12.18 hr•• Minister is here. You can ask him. They are not bothered about finding out how the leak- PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE age is taking place. SHRI SOMNATH CHAITERJEE: The [English] Detailed Demands for Grants of the Government owes an explanation to you. to Ministry of Law and Justice for tefl you what is the position. 1989-90

MR. SPEAKER: Will, I will see as the THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS- situation develops. I do not know. I cannot TICE AND MINISTER OF WATER RE- presume things. I cannot answer hypotheti- SOURCES (SHRI B. SHANKARANAND): I cal questions. I have to see what is before beg to lay on the Table a copy of the Detailed me. Demands for Grants of the Ministry of Law and Justice for 1989-90. [Placed in library. 1# (Interruptions) See No. LT-7646/89]

Notifications under Finance Act, under MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Singh. Order, order Customs Act and under Central Excise and SalT Act. SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN SINGH: Mr. Speaker, if I have said that...... THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- ..... I apologise and I hope that portion is TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- expunged, including if the Chair said that I FORMATION AND BROADCASTING was taking the House for a ride. (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): On behalf of Shri A.K. Panja, I beg to lay on Table: MR. SPEAKER: There is no conditional apology in this House. I ask not only you, Mr. (1 ) A copy each of the following Notifi- cations (Hindi and English ver- Singh, I have asked so manyofmyfriendson sions) under section 41 of the Fi- the other side also. nance Act, 1979:-

SHRI CHANDRA PRATAP NARAIN (i) G.S.A. 129 (E) published in SINGH: I offer an apology to the Chair, Sir. Gazette of India dated the 27th February, 1989 together with an MR. SPEAKER: Thank you. I have got explanatory memorandum re- no malicious intentions or anything against garding exemption to His Excel- any hon. member, mind you. I treat all my lency Mr. Javier Perez de Cuel- members as my masters, my friends and my lar, Secretary General of the colleagues. At times there might be differ- United Nations and other members of delegation who visited ences of opinion but that doe~ not mean that India from 26th\February, 1989 there should be acrimony between us. I do to 3rd March, 1989 from the not believe in this. It is not my Chair. h is your payment of foreign travel tax. Chair. Sometimes somebody else might be sitting here. Today I am sitting. That does not (ii) G.S.A. 345(E) published in mean that it belongs to me personally. No. Gazette of India dated the 8th March, 1989 together with an Now we take up Papers to be laid. explanatory memorandum regarding exemption to His Excel- Shri B. Shankaranand lency Mr. J. Batmunkh, General Secretary of the Mongolian 389 PapMSLaid CHAffRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Papers Laid 390

People's Revolutionary Party (ii) G.S.R. 92(E) published in Ga- Central Committee, Chairman of zette of India dated the 9th Feb- the Presidium of the Great ruary. 1989 together with an People' Khural and other mem- explanatory memorandum mak- bers of the delegation who vis- ing certain amendments to Noti- ited India from 7th to 10th March, fication No, 31188-Cus. dated 1939 'rom the payment of for- the 1 st March. 1988 seeking to eign travel tax. revise the fuel-efficiency norms of motor vehicles and extending (ii) G .. S.R. 346 (E) published in the validity thereof upto 31st Gazette of India dated the 8th March, 1990. March, 1989 together with an explanatory memorandum re- (iii) G.S.A. 93(E) published in Ga- garding exemption to His Excel- zette of India dated the 9th Feb- lency Mr. V.M. Kamentsev, ruary. 1989 together with an Deputy Prime Minister of USSR explanatory memorandum mak- and other members of delega- ing certain amendments to Noti- tion who visited India from 6th to fication No. 30/a3-Cus. dated 12th March, 1989, from the pay- the 25th February, 1983 seeking ment of foreign travel tax. to revise the fuel-efficiency norms of two-wheelers and (iv) G.S.A. 347 (E) published in extending the validity thereof Gazette of India dated the 9th upto 31st March, 1990. March, 1989 together with an explanatory memorandum re- (iv) G.S.A. 94(E) published in Ga- garding exemption to His Excel- zette of India dated the 9th Feb- lency Mr. Yasser Arafat, Presi- ruary. 1989 together with an dent of the Executive Committee explanatory memorandum mak- of the Palestine liberation Or- ing certain amendments to Noti- ganisation and other members fication No. 210/84-Cus. dated of delegation who visited India the 1st August, 1984 seeking to from 9th to 10th March, 1989, revise the fuel-efficiency norms from the payment of foreign of two-wheelers and extending travel tax. [Placed in library. See the validity thereof upto 31 st No LT-7647/89] March, 1990.

(2) A copy each of the following Notifi- (v) G.S.R. 95(E) published in Ga- cations (Hindi and English versions) zette of India dated the 9th Feb- under section 159 of the Customs ruary, 1989 together with an Act, 1962: explanatory memorandum making certain amendments to Noti- (i) G.S.A. 91 (E) published in Ga- fication No. 254/88-Cus. dated zette of India dated the 9th Feb- the 8th October, 1984 seeking to ruary, 1989 together with an revise the fuel-efficiency norms explanatory memorandum mak- of motor cars and extending the ing certain amendments to Noti- validity thereof upto 31 st March, fication No. 32188-Cus. dated 1990. the 1 sl March, 1988 seeking to revise the fuel-efficiency norms (vi) G.S.A. 96(E) published in Ga- of motor vehicles and extending zette of India dated the 9th Feb- the validity thereof upto 31 st ruary, 1989 together with an March,1990. explanatory memorandum mak- 391 PapsrsLaid MARCH 31, 1989 Papers Laid 392

jng certain amendments to Noti- (iii) G.S.R. 370(E) published in fication No. 288I8S·Cus. dated Gazette of India dated the 20th the 12th December, 1988 March, 1989 together with an seeking to prescribe a conces- explanatory memorandum mak- sional rate of duty in respect of ing certain amendments to Noti- dies, tools, jigs and fixtures im- fication No. 5/88-C.E. dated the ported for the manufacture of 1st February, 1988 so as to auto components. substitute for the figures and words "1 st March, 1988" by the (vii) G.S.R. 359(E) published in figures and words "28th Febru- Gazette of India dated the 15th ary, 1986-. [Placed in Library. March, 1989 together with an See No. LT-7651/89] explanatory memorandum making certain amendments to Noti- Notifications under Banking Companies fication No. 132-Cus. dated the (AcqUisition and Transfer of Undertak- 2nd July, 1980 also as to add Ings Act, under Regional Rural Bank Act, four more products of Nepalese Report of the Godavari Grameena Bank Origin to the list of items which for Period ending 31.12.87, Report of qualify for preferential entry into Kanpur Kshetrlya Grameena Bank for India in terms of the Indo-Nepal period ending 31.12.87 and Consolidated Treaty of Trade, 1978. [Placed in Report of Regional Rural Banks for Library. See No. LT-7648189] period ending 31.12.87.

(3) A copy each of the following Noti- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE fications (Hindi and English ver- DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS sions) under sub-section (2) of IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI section 38 of the Central Excise EDUARDO FALEIRO): I beg to lay ofl the and Salt Act, 1944:- Table:-

(i) G.S.R. 90(E) published in Ga- (1 ) A copy each of the following zette of India dated the 9th Feb- Notifications (Hindi and English ruary, 1989 together with an versions) under sub-section (4) explanatory memorandum mak- of section 19 of the Banking ing certain amendments to Noti- Companies (Acquisition and fication No. 332/86-C.E. dated Transfer of Undertakings) Act, the 2nd June, 1986 seeking to 1980:- revise the fuel-efficiency norms of motor vehicles of engine ca- (i) The Oriental Bank of Commerce pacity not exceeding 1000 cubic Officer Employees' (Conduct) centimeters and extending the Amendment Regulations, 1982 validity thereof upto 31 st March, published in Notification No. 1990. [Placed in Library. See No. 3903 in Gazette of India dated LT-7649/89] 12th March, 1988.

(ii) The Central Excise (Seoond (ii) The New Bank of India Employ- Amendment) Rules, 1989 pub- ees' (Conduct) Amendment lished in Notification No. G.S.R. Regulations,1988 published in 119(E) in Gazette of India dated Notification No. 5005 in Gazette the 22nd February, 1989. of India dated the 4th June, [Placed in Library. See No. LT. 1988. [Placed in Library. See No. 765(1/891 LT-7652/89 393 Papers Laid. CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Papers Laid 394

(2) A copy of the Indian Overseas Report (Hindi and Eng' ,sh ver- Bank Officer Employees' (Con- sions) on the workin9 of the duct) Amendment Regulations, Regional Rural Banks for the 1988 "lHindi and English versions) year ended the 31 st December,. published in Notification Not REF1 1987. [Placed in Library. SesNo. HRDI88I7342 in Gazette of India LT. 7659/89] dated the 10th December. 1988. under sub-section (4) of section 19 Law Commission's Report on High of the Bank Companies (Acquisi- Court Arrears-A fresh Look tion and Transfer of Undertakings) Act, 1970. [Placed in Library. See THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE No. LT-7653-89] MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ): I beg to lay on the Table I (3) A copy each 01 the following Notifi- a copy of the Hundred Twenty-Fourth Re- cations (Hindi and English ver- port (Hindi and English versions) of the Law sions) under sub-section (2) of Commission of the High Court Arrears- A section 30 of the Regional Rural fresh Look. [Placed in Library. See No. LT· Bank Act, 1976:- 7660/89]

(i) The Hindon Gramin Bank. Annual Report etc of Central Board of (Staff) Service Regulations, Irrigation and Power, New Deihl for 1988. [Placed in library. See No. 1987-88 and a statement re delay In l T-7654/89] . laying these papers I ,

(ii) The Visveshvataya Grameena THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Bank, Sta~ Seryice Reg~tions, MINISTRY OF WATER RESOURCES 1985. [Plated in library. See No. (SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI): I beg to lay on LT -7655/89] the Table:-

(iii) The Adhiyaman Grama Bank. (1) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi Bank Staff Service Regulations. and English versions) of the Central Board of [Placed in Library. See No. LT- Irrigation and Power, New Delhi, fortheyear 7656/89] 1987-88 along with Audited Accounts.

(4) A copy each of the following (2) A statement (Hindi and English Reports (Hindi and English ver- versions) showing reasons for delay in lay- 5ion5):- ing the paper mentioned at (1) above. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-7661189] (i) Report of the Godavari Gra- meena Bank for the year ended Annual Report of and Review on Trade the 31st December, 1987 to- Development Authority, New Deihl for gether with the Accounts and the 1987-88 and a statement redelay In laying Auditor's Report thereon. these papers, Annual Administrative [Placed in Library. See No L T- Report and Review on Tobacco Board, 7658/89] Guntur, for 1987-88 and a statement r. (ii) Report of the Kanpur Kshetriya delay In laying these papers, Annual Gramin Bank fClr the year ended Report of and Review on Jewellery Ex- the 31 st December, 1987 port Promotion Council for 1987-88 etc. together with the Accounts and the Auditor's Report thereon. - THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI P.R. (5) A copy of the Consolidated DAS MUNSI): I beg to lay on the Table:- 395 P.,.rsLaid MARCH 31, 1989 Messages from R.S. 396

(1) ei) A copy of the Annual Report l T. 7664/89] (Hindi and engliSh versions) of the Trade Development Author- (7) (i) A copy of the Annual Report ity, New Delhi. for the year 1987- (Hindi and English versions) of 88 along with Audited Accounts. the Sports Goods Export Promo- tion Council, New Delhi, for the (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and year 1987-88 along with Audited English versions) by the Govern- Accounts. ment on the working of the Trade Development Authority, New (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and Delhi, for the year 1987-88. English versions) by the Govern- (2) A statement (Hindi and English ver- ment on the working of the siom~) showing reasons for delay in Sports Goods Export Promotion laying the papers mentioned at (I) Council, New Delhi, for the year above. rplaced in Library. See No. LT 1987-88. - 7662 89] (8) A statement (Hindi and English ver- (3) (i) A copy of the Annual Administra- sions) showing reasons for delay in live Report (Hindi and English laying the papers mentioned at (1) versions) of the Tobacco Board, above. [Placed in Library. SeeNo LT- Guntur, for lhe year 1987-88 7665/891 along with Audited Accounts. Report of the CAG of India for 1987-88 (ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and Union Government (Commercial) Part X English versions) by the Govern- - Fertilisers and Chemicals Travancore ment on the working of the To- ltd. under article 151 (1) of the bacco Board, Guntur, for the Constitution year 1987-88. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (4) A statement (Hindi and English ver- DEPARTMENT OF FERTILIZERS IN THE sions) showing reasons for delay in MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI R. laying the papers mentioned at (3) PRABHU): I beg to lay on the Table a copy above. [Placed in Library. See No. of the Report (Hindi and English versions) of LT -7663/89] the Comptroller and Auditor General of India for the year 1987-Union Government (5) (i) A copy of the Annual Report (Commercial) Part X-Fertilisers and Chemi- (Hindi and English versions) of cals Travancore Limited, under article 151 the Gem and Jewellery Export (1) of the Constitution. [Placed in Library. Promotion Council for the year See No. LT -7666/89] 1987-88 along with Audited Accounts 12.19 hrs.

(ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi and MESS,.\GES FROM RAJYA SABHA English versions) by the Govern- ment on the working of the Gem [Engll~hJ and Jewellery Export Promotion Council for the year 1987-88. SECRETARY-GENERAL: Sir, I have to report the following messages received (6) A statement (Hindi and English ver- from the Secretary-Gen&ral of Rajya sions) showing reasons for delay in Sabha:- laying the papers mentIOned at (5) above. [Placed in Library. See No. (i) "In accordance with the provi- 387 AIssssges from R.S. CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) LeaWl of AbsIJnce 398

sions of sutHuIe (6) of rule 1860f 12.193-4 hra. the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business in the CONSTITUTION (SIXTY FIRST AMEND- Rajya Sabha, I am directed to MENT) BilL return herewith the Punjab Ap- propriation (Vote on Account) [English1 BiO, 1989, which was passed by the l..Qk Sabha at its sitting held As passed and assented to on the 27th March, 1989, and transmitted to the RaJYa Sabha for its recommendations and to SECRETARY GENERAL: Sir, I lay on state that this House has no the Table a copy, duly authenticated by the recommendations to make to Secretary-General of Ralya Sabha, of the the Lok Sabha in regard to the Constitution (Sixty-first Amendment) Bill, said Bill-. 1988, passed by the House of Parliament during the last session and assented to since a report was last made to the House on the (ii) "In accordance with the provi- 27th March. 1989. sions of sub-rule (6) of Rule 186 of the Rules of Procedure and 12.20 hrs. Conduct of Business in the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to LEAVE OF ABSENCE OF MEMBERS return herewith the Delhi Munici- FROM THE SITIINGS OF THE HOUSE pal Laws (Amendment) Bill, [English] 1989, which was passed by the Grant of Leave to certain Members as Lok Sabha at its sitting held on recommended In Fifteenth Report the 29th March, 1989, and trans- m itted to the Rajya Sabha for it MR. SPEAKER: The Committee on recommendations and to state Absence of Members from the Isitting of the that this House has no recom- House in their Fifteenth Report presented to mendations to make to the Lok the House on 30th March, 1989, have rec· Sabha in regard to the said Bill." ommended that leave of absence be granted to the following Members for the period mentioned against each:-

1. Shrimati Premalabai Chavan 30.11.88 to 16.12.88 2. Shrimati D.K. Bhandari 3.11.88 and 4.11.88 & 15.11.88 to 16.12.88

3. Shri Srikantha Datta Narasimharaja Wadiyar - 21.2.89 to 15.3.89

4. Shri 5.5. Ramaswamy Padayachi 18.8.88 to 24.8.88, 29.8.88 to 5.9.88, 2.11.88 to 4.11.88, 15.11.88. to 16.12.88 & 21.2.89 to 24.2.89

5. Shri A.B.A. Ghani Khan Choudhury 23.8.88, 29.8.88 to 5.9.88, 2.11.88 to 4.11.88, 15.11.88 to 16.12.88 & 21.2.89 to 7.3.89

6. Shri Bhausaheb Thorat 21.2.89 to 10.3.89

Is it the pleasure of the House that leave was granted by the Committee be granted? 399 Abssncs of MsmbBrs &lARCH 31. 1989 B.O.H. 400 Committ98 Minutes

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes. (a) Energy

MR. SPEAKER: The leave is granted. (b) Human Resource The Members wiU be informed accordingly. Development

(c) External Affairs 12.20 3-4 hr•• (d) Labour COMMITTEE ON ABSENCE OF MEM- BERS FROM THE SITTINGS OF THE (4) Discussion under Rule 193 re- HOUSE garding situation arising out of the reported nexus between [English] Afghan rebels and terrorists in Punjab on Wednesday, the Minutes April, 1989, at 4 p.m.

SHAI ANOOPCHAND SHAH (Bombay SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN North): I beg to lay on the Table Minutes (Barmer): The follOWing subject may be (Hindi and English versions) of the Sitting of included in the next week's business:- the Committee on Absence of Members from the Sittings of the House held on the The following National Highways have 29th March, 1989. been proposed by Rajasthan Government as "National Expressway System" for the country:- 12.21 hrs. 1. Delhi - Jaipur - Ahmedabad - BUSINESS OF THE f-IQUSE Bombay (National Highway No.8) THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN- TARY AFFAIRS AND MINISTER OF IN- 2. Agra - Indore - Nasik - Bombay FORMATION AND BROADCASTING (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGA T): With your permis- (National Highway No. 20) sion, Sir, I rise to announce that Government Business in this House during the week These roads have a very high density of commencing 3rd April. 1989, will consist of:- traffic both commercial and tourists. This is an important corridor for the major part of Rajasthan as well as to link Madhya (1) Consideration of any item of Pradesh, Gujarat and Maharashtra and Government Business carried beyond. over from today's Order Paper. It is requested that they may be given (2) Discussion on the Interim and top most priority. the Final Reports of the Thakkar Commission on the assassina- 12.23 hrs. tion of Shrimati Indira Gandhi. the late Prime Minister and the [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Cha;1) Memorandum of Action taken thereon. [ Translation)

(3) Discussion and votklg on the SHRI AKHTAR HASAN (Kairana) : I Demands for Grants under the want to draw the attention of the Govern- control of the Ministry of: ment to the irrigation system for agricultural 401 B.O.H. CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) B.O.H. 402 ftelds. Irrigation is mainly done through tu- ment to resolve this dispute and it should not bewaJls, canals and their distributaries. But be left to Chief Ministers of both States. As tubewells remain unoperational most of the Marathi speaking people are forced to learn time due to faults in power lines and trans- Kannada language, it is causing dis-satis- formers. On the other hand, even the water faction. Hence the urgency to solve the to be supplied by the canals is stopped or problem. diverted at a short distance from the originat- ing point of the caral. So farmers are not able PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (Baramulla): to get the benefit of the canal water for We, must discuss the alarming price spiral irrigation and inspite of that, they are made to which has made the lives of common people pay the water charges. Thus in this misman- miserable. aged set-up, the farmers have to face two pronged attack. The prices of pulses, vegetables, mutton, fish and other articles of mass consump- Hence, I request the Government to tion have been rising continuously. The price emphasise the need of taking corrective of mutton has been rising by Rs. 2 per steps to improve the entire irrigation system kilogram every month forthe past six months in the country. with the result that its price rose to As. 40/- per kilogram in March. [English1 Government should take serious notice SHAI BAlWANT SINGH of this spiral and curb this trend. AAMOOWALIA (Sangrur): The following subject may please be included in the next [ Translation] week's agenda: SHRI MANKURAM SOOI (Bastar): Mr. The country is anxious to solve Punjab Deputy Speaker, Sir, the following subject problem. The Government claims to have may kindly be included in the next week's list released Jodhpur detenues but have reof Business. arrested S. Gurcharan Singh Tohra and seventy-eight others under other cases. Today only those areas of our country This has destroyed the climate of gesture. as are inhabited by poor, illiterate and back- The Government should immediately reward people are showing an extra-ordinary lease the Akali leaders and workers and take rate of increase in their population despite effective steps to punish the killers of No- the family planning programmes being vember, 1984 riots. The Government operated in those areas because these should ensure that no police repression sections of people are lacking in general takes place against innocent citizens. Only knowledge as compared to the educated this can create congenial atmosphere to class. Even health services are inadequate solve the Punjab problem. in these areas as there are very few doctors and para-medical staff and as a result, aU the activities in the hospitals have come to DR. DATTA SAMANT (Bombay South standstill in the absence of required staff. Central): The Border Dispute between After going in for famny planning if the chil- Maharashtra and Karnataka is pending for dren of a family are affected by any infec- the last thirty two years. Fifteen lakh Marathi tious disease, no modern medical facilities speaking people in 8elgaum. Karwar and are available for them for their proper and nearby villages are agitating for their merger timely treatment. Families living in such with Maharashtra Maharashtra Assembly areas should not be covered under the passed a unanimous resolution for merger family planning programmes until there is of this area in Maharashtra after opinion poll. provision of modem facilities for their medi- lt is the responsibility of the Central Govern- cal treatment in these areas_ B.O.H. MARCH 31, 1989 B.O.H. 404

[Sh. Mankuram Sodil form Haj. The Central Government has constituted Haj Committees at various levels He~. the Centre is requested to give for the convenience of Haj pilgrims. The this matter a serious though and issue direc> facilities being provided by these Commu- tives to the States &0 make a change in their nitees are praiseworthy. But recently the programmes. Saudi Arabian Government have expressed their inability to provide lodging facilities to SHRI KRISHNA PRATAP SINGH the ~aj pilgrims from India. This necessi~ (Maharaigann: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thE1 talSO the Haj Committee constituted by the following subject may kindly be included in Central Government to make its own ar- the list of Business for the next week. rangements for the lodging of these pilgrims. For this purpose 1500 Riyals which is The numberof educated unemployed in equivalent to Rs. 6000 approximately, are our country is increasing day by day. There behg charged from each of such Haj pil- are lakhs of young doctors. engineers and grims. Since this amount is an unbearable teachers who remain unpmployed after the bllrden, a majority of the prospective pil· completion of their education. The an- grims are deprived of performing the Haj nouncement for the Nehru Employment Pilgrimage. Persons desirous of going on Scheme has infused a new hope among the Haj have demanded that if this much of unemployed youth of our country. But this amount has to be paid compulsorily then it scheme will benefit only those young people should be made 'voluntary'. The Haj who are interested in seH-employl"le.nt. Committee may arrange lodging for those who are willing to bear this surcharge. Other I urge upon the Government to formu· pilgrims will have to make their own arrange- late a scheme that can provide employment ments for their lodging. opportunities to the highly educated youth of our county. Hence, I request the Government to give a serious thought to this problem and [Engfish] make the amount of lodging surcharge of 1500 Riyals to be cha,rsed alongwith the SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE ticket, 'Voluntary'. ). (Panskura): The first point I had already raised and the Speaker was kind enough to [EngJisfl] agree to that. So I leave the first point and raise my second point. SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER (Bangalore South): Sir, I beg to submit that the following It is most unfortunate that the discus- items may be included in the next week's sion on question of compensation to Bhopal .::agenda:- gas victims, an important matter, is hanging unfinished. In the meantime, new petitions Hike in prices of paper unilaterally by have been filed in the court about the out of paper mills has affected thousands of print- court settlement of the Government with ers in the country. The printing industry will Union Carbide and the former judgment with not be able to manage with the above hike. regard to that. rhis discussion must not The price of cream woven paper ur white remain pending as it is now. printing paper has shot up from Rs. 12,400 per metric tonne in September 1988 to Rs. 17,000 per tonne now. The prices of other SHAt MADAN PANDEY (Gorakhpur): qualities of paper like Maplitho and pump Mr. Deputy-SpealGovernor and Governors. I would like to say here that I do not agree with Further, they have gone or suggesting the Sarkari a Comm ission when they say that re-organisation of Zonal Councils and have no politician should be appointed. Where do made certain special recommendations for you find the men? the North-Eat Zonal Council. These are worth considering. Of course, they are not a SHRI SOMNATH CHATIERJEE: The revolutionary kind that can be heard from point is that no controversial po1itician this side or that side. H at all I have to say should be appointed. anything, I would say that it is a via-media. They have suggested this vi media. I think it SHRI B.A. BHAGAT: How will you de- is worth considering. termine that? How will you determine who is a controversial politician and who is not? Regarding devolution of financial pow- You will come to know only when you ap- ers, they have made use of Articles 269,270 point him .... (/nterruptions) I remember and 272. They have also made use of Ar- about the Report of the Nagaland Governor, ticles 275 and 282 regarding grants-in-aid presented last time. tie is a distinguished and Article 293 regarding loans. They have retired General. Hi wording of the Report made very useful suggestions. For example, was not like that of a politician's. His wording they have suggested that the Corporation was most straight forward. He speaks like Tax sh'ould be transferred to the states and that. He writes like that. the receipt and revenue should be given to them. Then they have made a suggestion SHAI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: That 413 Ataebn Re. Repott CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 414 d Commission Relations wasdraftedbyS. ButaSingh. (lntenvpfhns) Md fair play. Hthat is not the reputation of a judge, them the whole democracy will THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS crumble. One thing which we can prevail (S. BUTASINGH): Shri Somnath Chatterjee upon is to appoint judges only in exceptional himself is not acontroversiaJ Member. (/nter- circumstances. On the other hand, when tuptions) there is a demand to appoint the Supreme Court Judge or the High Court Judge on this SHRI B.R. BNAGAT: let us follow cer- commission or on that commission, the retain norms. I agree to one thing. H a person sult is that sometimes, the commission takes is appointed as Governor. he should not longer and longer time. And once he finishes seek poJiticaJ office. That is one thing. Last the term of a commission, he gets another time, it happer'ted in he sixties during commission. It has gone into the vicious Panditjrs time when $hri Ajit Jain was ap- circle. I think, these things can be sorted out pointed Governor. Ttlan he came back and if there is an agreement regarding common fought elections. And it was ... (Interruptions) values.

SHRI SQM.,Arn CHATTERJEE: I will Now in the 37 years of Indian parliamen- accept Shri B.A. Bhagat as Governor. tary system, Indian democracy has established such high norms. We have the norms SHRI B.A. BHAGAT: I do not want to be of the Father of the Nation; we have the a Governor. It is the greatest honour to be a norms of five thousand years of our culture. Member of Parliament. (/nte"uptior.s) Which country has contributed this much to the human civilization? And it we ourselves MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Do you go below that and if we disregard that, what want him for your State? will happen? Is it not possible that the leadership in the enti re cou nt ry can sit toget her to ( Interruptions) determine a special law? The real trouble comes from the system of political organisa- SHRI B.A. BHAGAT: What J am saying ~ion. Take for example, the elections. I do not is that the Governor's job is a very honour- want to say everything. But I can tell you that able job in the Constitution. He has not only I am the most experienced person in elec- to function independently, impartially and tions. I have fought all the elections and' objectively, but should be known to function have been here for the last forty years in this like that. The Governor must be above eve- House. I can tell you that there should be a rything so that he does not possess power. common conduct among the parties. If you He possesses the dignity, the honour and want to take ..J partisan advantage, if you the respect. Once a Governor loses the want to have a sectional advantage, the respect, he loses everything. As per the national advantage will suffer. To the extent norms, he is there at the wishes of the our political system and political parties President The President certainly can guide maintain the Gandhian standard of higher him. But it will not be in letter; it will not be put values, norms, integrity, dedication to the down in writing. The Governor must function service of the country, all the tl'lings will work. to earn the highest esteem of the people of The same thing applies in the functioning of the State where he serves. And even that the Indian States also. We have the institu- applies to the judges also. H a judge is tion and those who are manning the institu- appointed to the Supreme Court, he immedi- tion, particularly the great people, have set ately become something. The Supreme examples which can be followed by others. Court is the ultimate in our judiciary. Judici- The famous saying is " Mahajana Jay Na ary in our country is commonly accepted Gata Samanta: We have the example. Why above boarthhat what a judge says is the' not follow it? Why not combine all these workJ of God. He says truth and he will not be things? If we do this, I think, problems can be influenced by anything except by the truth solved. The Sarkaria Commission has pro- 415 Motion Re. Rspon MARCH 31,1989 on Centre-state 416 of Commission Relations (Sh. B.R. Bhagat] ments-Centre and State--must have power to raise financial resources neces- vided some of the answers. We can adopt sary to perform its executive functions. The them. He has said that it is the way in which power of the respective governments should the cooperative federalism works at a func- be independent of each other for, if the State tional and operational level, that will deter- Governments have to depend substantially mine the success of it. Let us follow that. upon the Central bounty, they might indi- rectly be deprived of their autonomy in other 13.00 hrs. matters. I want to lay emphasis on this particular sentence. SHRI N.V.N. SOMU (Madras North): Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am grateful to you for Such a good recommendation was not giving me this opportunity. I am proud to at all considered. The Rajamannar Commit- participate in the discussion as a Member tee report was sent to the them Prime Minis- belonging to the DMK Party which is the ter, Mrs. Indira Gandhi. Acknowledging the pioneer in advocating the reforms in the receipt of the Report the Prime Minister Mrs. Centre-State relations. Indira Gandhi in her letter dpted 22nd June 1971 wrote to the Chief Minister Shri Karun- In 1969, for the fist time in India, Dr, anidhi as follows. Karunanidhi as the Chief Minister of Tamilnadu constituted a Committee of ex- SHRI KADAMBUR JANARTHANAN perts with Dr. P. V. Rajamannar as the Chair- (Tirunelveli): Sir, this is a discussion about man, to inquire into the relations between the Sarkaria Commission report; but he is Centre and the States and to make recom- speaking about the Rajamannar Committee mendations thereto. In that Committee Dr. report. A. Lakshman Swamy Mudaliwar the Vice Chancellor of Madras University, Thiru P. SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: I will come to that Chandra Reddy, the former Chief Justice of Rajamannar Commission is the Pioneer of the High Court of Madras were the other the Sarkaria Commission. members. MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: If it is rele- The Rajamannar Committee, as it is vant and he is quoting it. I cannot prevent popularly called, presented its report in May him. 1971. Largely based on that report, Dr. M. Karunanidhi, the them Chief Minister who SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: I quote from the also happens to be the present Chief Minis- letter of Mrs. Indira Gandhi: ter moved a Resolution on State\ autonomy "Dear Thiru Karunanidhi in the Legislative Assembly of Tamilnadu. The Assembly discussecfthat Resolution for I have received your letter on the 15th five days and for the first time in the history June which you have sent a copy of of India a Resolution about the Centre-State the report of the Centre-State Rela- relatio:1s commending suitable changes and tions Inquiry Committee. You Gov- amendments to the Constitution was passed ernment will probably examine the on 20th April, 1974. recommendations on this report. As you know, the Administrative Re- The Resolution of a State Assembly forms Commission also went into this and similar such demands from other vet- question and has already submitted a eran statesman from various parts of the report which is under our considera- country were not at all considered by the tion. If the views of your Government Central Government for many long years. on this matter are made available to The Rajamannar Committee has categori- us, they will also be taken into ac- cally stated that each of the two Govern- count. These are important issues 417 Afofion As. Repott CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) on Cenlte-stale 418 of Commission ReIaIions and we intend to consutt aI the Chief attached ilseH neither to traditional frontiers Ministers.. nor to new geographical associations but almost exclusively to the mother-tongues. With regards, yours sincerely. etc.- Here I would also .e to quote Prof. KC. Wheav: As a matter of history • federalism But the Central Government did not has provided a device through which difer- take eftedive steps in the immediate years ing nationalities oould unite and while retain- to come. The reply of 1he Prime Minister Mrs. ing their own distinct national existence, Indira Gandhi was given in the year 1971. It attempt to aeate in addition a new sense of was only in the year 1983 that Mrs. Indira common nationality. Nationalism in a fed- Gandhi during her second speJl as the Prime eration can be expressed on at least two Minister appointed the present Sarkaria levels; it is not exclusive. honogenous pas- Commission. sion. But what is the position today after forty years of independence? Even Sarkaria Before considering the views of Justice himself admits and as Mr. Ayyapu Reddy Sarkaria. I want to bring it to the notice of this quoted I also would like to quote: august House the views of the State Reor- ganisation Commission Yesterday also "There is considerable truth in the some Hen. Members raised this problem. I saying that undue Centralisation quote • from the State Reorganisation leads to blood pressure al the Centre Commission report: and anaemia at periphery. The inev- itable result is morbidity and ineffi- -The national movement which ciency. Indeed Centralisation does achieved India's independence was not solve but aggravates the prob- built up by harnessing the forces of lems of the people-. regionalism. It is only when the Con- gress was reorganised on the basis This gives the crux of his point I want to ask of language units that it was able to this Government and particularly the Home develop into a national movement Minister who is here how long are they going The Congress under Mahatma to allow the blood pressure and how long are Gandhi reaJised that the same forces they going to aJlow the anaemia That is the which worked for our national unit question before this Government now. The had also helped to develop the re- question is very specific. gional languages, which led to the integration and national feeling that Former President. Shri N.Sanjeeva helped us to recover our freedom.· Reddy once said:

"There is no question of parting with Yesterday. some of the Members also spoke anything. The Constitution is there. about nationality. India, like USSR, Peoples TIle point is that the federal structure Republic of China. SWitzerland. etc. has as envisaged in the Constitution has many nationalities with distinct languages. been eroded somewhat I am not cultures. religions. traditions and history of saying the States should get new or their own. Another important factor is the extra powers.' do not think States are continental geographic dimensions, with thinking along these lines. There are different States at different stages of devel- some people who want Education, opment.n such a case the States are also to Health. forestry. everything to come be considered as the federating units as the to the Centre. as though atthe Centre contributing units to the development and we have divinely gifted officers who unit of Indian sub-continent. As Prof. can go and set things right in aD those Toynbee, a great historian observes: The spheres.... sorne have wrong no- growing consciousness of nationality had tions.- 419 Motion Re. Report MARCH 31,1989 on Centre-state 420 of Commission Rslations (Sh. N. V.N. Sornu] lilt should be built from the bottom and should taper right up to the top. What Mr. Reddy was a veteran Congress has been done is just the reverse. leader. He has been Chief Minister of The initiative from the provinces and Andhra Pradesh and also was a Central the States from the people has been Minister. He was also the President of India taken away and all power has been and adorned the office of the Speaker. Lok concentrated in the Centre. This is Sabha. I further quote: exactly the kind of Constitution Ma- hatma Gandhi did not want and did "President Trto (of Yugoslavia) told not envisage." me when I was Chief Minister about 20 years ago when he came to But the problem is that you are not at all Andhra. "Mr. Reddy, your State is two remembering Mahatma Gandhi. times bigger ..... than mine." But a State Chief Minister cannot under- Sir, the first and foremost action that take even small things, a health should be tak.en is to form the Inter-State scheme or a forest developmental Council. It is the desire of all the State Chief scheme or something like that. Offi- Ministers. That would give a participatory cials from the Centre think they have feeling among all the Indian people. to go from here to do even such things." The office of the Governor is a legacy of the British colonial system. The method of Now I want to ask a simple question, whether appointment of the Governors make it an you are going to allow it or continue with this. anachronism in a democratic setup. Mrs. For years together we have been debating Vijaya Lakshmi Pandlt once said that the Centre-State relations. What are the effec- Office of the Governor should be abolished. tive steps that the Central Government is But the problem is that the advice of the going to take in this respect? veteran leaders, administrative and former Presidents is not followed by this Govern- What did Mahatama Gandhi think of the ment. That is my worry. Centre-State setup? I want to bring that to the notice of this august House. I am quoting Now, I come to Article 356 if the what Shri K Hanumanthaiya said in the Constitution. There is no provision for Constituent Assembly: President's rule at the Centre. Similarly, there should not be any provision for "We were, during the days of freedom President's rule in the States. It is a word of struggle, wedded to certain principles Damocles hanging upon the State Govern- and ideologies as taught to us and as ments. The State Government are there at propounded to us by Mahatma the pleaure of the Central Government. If the Gandhi. The first and foremost advice Central Government wants to do away with which he gave in his picturesque the State Government, it can do that within languages was that the constitutional no time even on flimsy grounds. Therefore, structure of this country ought to be provisions like the much misused Articles broad-based and pyramid-like." 356, 357, 360. 365 etc. should be deleted from the Constitution of India. Yesterday, some of my friends here advo- cated for strong Centre, they did not want The Planning Commission should be strong States. But the first and foremost made a constitutional body with full demo- device that Mahatma Gandhi gave in his cratic principles. I want to emphasise this. picturesque language was that the constitutional structure of this country ought to be Not only that, all the financial institutions broad-based and pyramid-like". Further: like banking Institutions, IOB1. Unit Trust of 421 Motion Re. Report CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 422 of Commission Relations

India, NABARD and other financial institu- such an assembly should be reviewed and tio" are controlled by the Centre alone. All amended suitably. Only then, the Centre- these institutions should be brought under States relations will be maintained. the Inter-State Council. With these words, I conclude. The Central Government is having control over coffee, tea, cotton, sugar, to- DR. G.S DHILLON (Ferozepur): Mr. bacco, coa. and even TV and Deputy Speaker Sir, the Sarkaria Commis- radio. Therefore, from morning till night, the sion has indeed come out with a very com- Central Government is having control over mendable Report and as an academician all things. I want to say that these things and politician, I have studied it with utmost should be brought under the control of the care. Frankly speaking, I thought after read- Inter-State Council. The second channel of ing the Reportlthat I may be able to give you TV should be allotted absolutely to the State some sort of a solution which I could suggest Governments. Shri K. Santhanam who was to our friends who are crying for autonomy, atthe helm of affairs as Minister stated once. separatism and who are raising all sorts of 'Without a definite freedom and initiative on slogans. economic issues, the State Governments are bound to be frustrated and impotent.". In SHAI N.V.N. SOMU: Sir, I did not say the Objectives Resolution which was separatism. I said only autonomy. adopted in the Constituent Assembly on January 22, 1947, it was announced that the DR. G.S. DHILLON: I am not talking Union should have only those three powers about you. I am talking about Punjab. I have of Defence, Foreign Affairs and Communi- got nothing to do with DMK or AIADMK..... cations, which had been conceded to it by (Interruptions) ..... Now, let me know whether the Cabinet Mission and that the States at or not you have heard of separatism, Khalis- the Federation shall be 'autonomous units', tan and other things being uttered in Punjab. having all residuary powers left assigning to I am talking of Punjab. Members have talked the Union the three aforesaid subjects, to- about function and domin of Governors, the gether with those powers which flow,ed by Chief Ministers and various other subjects. implication from the powers assigned to the They have also given some suggestions. Union. I suggested there should be a permanent solution to the Central-State relations keeping in view the Objectives Resolution May I also invite your attention, Mr. adopted by the Constituent Assembly on Deputy Speaker, Sir, to the views expressed January 22, 1947. I quote Dr. Chandra Pal in this House on other occasions and also who categorically stated 'the demand for views expressed by various courts and state autonomy is not at all incompatible Supreme Court. Always, whenever a Gover- either with the process of nation-building or nor submits the proclamation orders, we with national integration. Rather it is essen- have been facing many other problems like tial. The need of the hour is 'Unit' and not the dissolution of the Ministry, wrong acts by 'uniformity'. Unity in diversity cannot be the Governors or wrongly ousting a certain maintained without permitting diversity in Ministry, then having a gap and then pro- unity. Any attempts to crush 'diversity' is claiming something else. when I was the fraught with dangerous consequences and Presiding Officer of this House and even may eventually lead to disintegration and later on several times the Speakers confer- balkanisation of the country." For all these ence have been coming out with various things, the only remedy is a suitable amend- resolutions that no Ministry can be dis- ment of the Constitution. Because according missed or no President's Rule can be to Lok Nayak Jayprakash Nararin, the con- brought in unless the test of the majority or stituent Assembly was a 'restricted Assem- the minority be gone through. They have b1y'. Therefore, the Constitution framed by come to one conclusion that when one tests MoIDn FIe. fIspott MARCH 31,1989 on CenInHtBI. 424 d Commission ReIaIions

(Dr. G.S. Dhilon) ful. The U. Governors. as they are cpIad. the majority 01 a certain party. then it must be have must more scope for functioning. They done on the floor of the House. You must are not controversial al aI because mthe bring it before the House. I have seen the election system. So is the case in the USA. maximum number 01 Presidenfs Rules in But it is not the case in Australia. Now we Punjab. I was 1here as Speaker and as have a mixture of so many things in our Minister also for quite a long tima. When I system. some from the UK. some from came hare I saw the other side also.• sorts Canada and some from Australia, aD based of proposals coma from various States, on the Westminster pattern. But at the same sometimes Governor qUtlStioning the major- time in the case of the President and the ity 01 a particular party and saying that they VICe-President. and the VICe-President have lost the majority and the other party being the Chairman of the Senate. we have saying. no. they have not loSt the majority imported it from the USA. So, we seldom find and aD that This thing happened many a any parallels whereby we can judge as 10 time. what type of a solution can be found it some problem arises. Hthere are parallels we can The basic problem of the Indian federal- study them and try to solve our problems on ism is that we have a unique system. I am a that basis~ But there is none. StiD. in spite of student 01 Political Science and Eoonomics. that, this system has functioned wei. It has Federalism is not of only one type. as we see lots of llexbility and elasticity in it. in our country. It has various shapes. It is also there in the Soviet Union. You have My friend Mr. Somu has said. perhaps various nationalities being accommodated more in anger that Articles 356, 357. 354 and within the same type of lederal system, the so many other articles are of no use and they republic. the autonomous regions and so should be scrapped. But they are the very on.. and they are functioning in a perfect essence of our federaJism because they are successful way. Some people ask me as to the articles on which the unity of this country what is the reason fa their success. The is based. They are the basic articles and if secret for their having unity in diversity is that you scrap them. what will you bring in their we follow the principle ~ one party one place? He did not mention anything about it. ideology. We have in our oountry a multi- In my view they are the basic articles and it party system and we have people having is very necessary to have them in a country different ideologies and different political ike ours to maintain our independence. in- thoughts. We have another type 01 federal- tegrity and unity. ism in Canada, U.SA and in Australia. Our Indian Parliamentary system is based on the Sir, the Governor is a vital link between Westminster system of Parliamentary de- the Centre and the State. Now the Commis- mocracy. Now. we copies a system from sion has laid down certain criteria as regards England which in itself is a unitary govern- the qualifications of the Governor. The ment Theirs is not a lederal system. Wilhout Commission is also of the view that there being a unitary country, we have imported must be consuhation between the Chief into this country a system which suited their Minister and the Central Government and he Parliament. their history and their tradition. must be acceptable to the State. At the same We tried to grasp it and fit it in to our federal time, the report has suggested that when- system. a unique federal system where we ever Governor sends any report to the say that ours is a federal system but basi- Centre, that must be shown to the Chief cally and in essence it is unitary. as men- Minister. The monthly reports must be tioned by my friend Mr. Somu from the other shown to the Chief Minister. When the side. Governor makes an assessment or an ana- lytical study of the situation that grows up I hc-ppened to be in Canada for two from month to month. it should be his duty to years and there the States are more power- take the Chief Minister into his confidence as Motion Re. Report CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state '428 01 Commission Relations 10 what his findings are, what his explanation rangement had to be gone into. That is not is and what his suggestions are, instead of bad, So far as the whole national demand is sending just one-way report every month concerned, there is not harm if such subjects without the knowledge of the State Govern- come to the Centre under the concurrent tist. ment The Sarkaria Commission has suggested a very valuable solution to the effect Here are my suggestions. My friends on that that report should be a mutually studied the Opposition must have seen so many report. " articles appearing even in the leading pa- As far as Punjab is concerned, it is so pers regarding Agricultural Income Tax. It is bad that we have only a memorandum from a very controversial subject. This Commis- Punjab but we did not have any representa- sion had stated that if this concept of tax on tive meeting the Commission on behalf of agriculture income is accepted. then the various groups of Ak.alis. The Akalis have States will have to forego some sharable been basing their demands on autonomy- part from excise and other taxes. If you gain on Anandpur Sahib Resolution. We have on one side and lose on the other, I do not been trying to find out what is this autonomy. see any reason why it should be accepted. At one stage the last Finance Minister-I Income Tax on agriculture is a very sensitive think he was the Finance Minister in the issue and the government of India should not earlier Ministry al~me out and said that accept it without seriously consulting all the they wanted a fiscal autonomy. I could not State Governments and the interests con- understand what this fiscal autonomy cerned. We tried to approach some leaders means. There is no instrument presented to in Punjab nd some Parties in Punjab in order Central Government at any stage. That was to know what really are their demands. They the best opportunity forthem to come to the said, "All right. We are all ready work within Commission and explain as to what sort of the constitution;" But them they started autonomy do they want. This world ''fiscal mentioning the British restoration of certain autnomy" is a meaningless word. I find it is concepts like sharing of the various portfo- missing in the whole Report of the Commis- lios. After the 1935 Act there was an exercise sion. for two years, on wh.at sort of federalism will suit India. All parties were concerned, a the If they want that nobody should be basic structure suggested was, as my friend accountable to anybody-whether it is the mentioned, that foreign affairs, defence, Planning Commission or the Finance Minis- communications, currency, etc. will be with try or the finance Minister-that all the fi- the Central Government, and all the other nances should be at the discretion of the with the States. Finance Minister that type of autonomy of course they exercise will be difficult to give. In the mean time the War came. The But anyway politically this word which I have subject was taken up when the Cripps Mis- heard for the first time should have been sion and Cabinet Committee came here. here. I can understand that certain Depart- They started from the same base, with the ments, certain portfolios which are with the Centre these four subjects with the centre Centre may be brought back to the State as and all others with the States. But strangely and when the situation demands. Take the enough, he quoted some other friend but I case of Agriculture. As an Agriculture Minis- quote Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru himseJff ter-though it is State Subject, what the what he said in December 1946. He men- Agricuhure Ministry was performing is re- tioned these 10ur departments and then he search, finances, imports, exports and im- did not mention about the residuary powers provement of seeds etc-I always thought, or the other subjects-he just said, "and all even when I appeared before the Commis- others, on the basis of autonomy." It was sion, that such a subject of agriculture being only. I think it was only due to Dr. Ambedkar's on the State List is meaningless. That was efforts that this concept was given up and the the reason why sometimes that sort of ar- concept of a strong Central Government 427 Motion Re. Report MARCH 31, 1989 on Centre.-state 428 of Commission R8Iations

[Dr. G.S. Dhillon] powers to the States will mean weakening of the Centre, or those who advocate re-struc- besides these four subjects-sharing many turing of the Centre-State relatiOrishipgiving other heads of income, many other subjects, more autonomy in the sphere of administra- the present federal system, was brought tion or in the sphere of financial matters, do about. it in order to weaken the Centre.

I am so happy that the Sarkaria The second fallacy seems to be that it is Commission have in their own way upheld almost taken for' granted, as if it is a fight the federal system that we adopted. Hyper- between the Congress and the Opposition tension or blood pressure or anaemia are on or between the party which is in governance one side, I quite agree with that. in the Centre and those parties which are in oppositionto the party in power in the States. AN HON. MEMBER: It is on the other I believe that is not correct. Those who side. advocate for greater power tothe States do not want a weak Centre. I would not like the DR. G.S. DHILLON: Unity in diversity Centre to be weak. Of course the word cannot be the same old concept as it was at 'Centre' is no more because the Constitution the time of framing of the Constitution. diver- has not used the word 'Centre' and used the sity has increased, unity is on the decreasing words 'Union of States', but as in common side. I think if you remove the anaemia from parlance the word 'Centre' is used, I will also one side and turn to the other side and say, use the same word. If the Centre becomes that we are suffering from blood pressure weak, necessarily the States also will be- then the blood pressure may be moved to come weak. But if the States become weak, the other side and anemia will come to this the Centre can never be strong. I feel that side. one can compare the relationship with that of a body. If the Centre is the heart, then the (Interruptions) States are the limbs. If the heart is very strong and if one has paralytic limbs, then We have reached such a stage. It needs a the body can not be strong. Equally the limbs serious effort now to examine it. It is not a cannot be strong if the heart is weak and question of amending the Constitution here therefore what is required is, a balance in the or moving some other amendment here. It is field of administration, in the field of legisla- 'a question of ser.iously thinking about this tion as well as in the field of financial relation- tendency of diversity, and it is not because ship. This problem of Centre-State relation- they are prompted by others. It is because it ship is not new. This problem did not come is the need of the hour, because we have up in the political agenda virtually till 1967 roached a stage when we must revive our though there was some ripple in 1959, when old culture. the first Communist Government, E.M.S. Namboodiripad Government was thrown out in exercise of the powers under Article SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI(Guwahati): 356 of the Constitution. The reason primarily Mr. Deputy-Speaker, the demand for the was that up to 1967, the same party ruled review or a re-structuring of the Centre-State both the States and the Centre and the other • relationship has been on the national reason was that the States had certain per- agenda for quite sometime, and we have the sonalities, who could talk in equal terms with report of the Sarkaria Cam mission before us the leadership at the Centre. We had for today. But I find that whenever a discussion example, men like Gopinath Bardoloi, B.P. \~ on Centre-State relationship crops up, it Chaliha, Bidan Ray who could call Jawahar- suffers from two great mistakes. One is that lal by his first name, Sampoornanand, G./3. when somebody asks for more power to the Pant, Kamara], Y.B. Chavan, who has tre- States, it is interpreted as jf granting of more mendous outstanding abilities as statesman 429 Motion Re. Report CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 430 of Commission Relations

and whose voices carried weight with the inces and the local Governments in the Centre. But unfortunately after 1967, be- various empires, from the Mauryas to cause of the aberrations of the political proc- the Mughals, enjoyed considerable ess, no outstanding person was ever al- degree of autonomy. As noted by the lowed to come up in the States, with the historian, Sri .Jadunath Sarkar, in an- result the people of the States have felt cient empires "each province led its humiliated. Why is it that a party like Telugu own life, continued its old familiar sys- Desam has really came into the political tem of Government (though under the scene in Andhra Pradesh? Why is it that a agents of the central power) and used party like Assam Gana Parishad has come in its local language". Assam? Certain things, one must consider in depth. Whenever an over-ambitious emperor attempted centralisation by steam- Let us not forget that even in 1977, rolling the local autonomy, it evoked when the Congress party was routed virtu- strong resentment and reaction. Such ally all over the country, it is in Andhra extreme centralisation proved not only Pradesh, out of 42 seats, 41 seats were won detrimental to administrative effi- by Congress. Let us not forget that even in ciency, but, in counter-effect, weak- 1977, the year of holocaust for Congress, in ened the capacity of the Central power Assam out of 14 seats, 1o seats were won by to maintain its hold over sub-national Congress. Why is that Telugu Desam sud- forces on a stable and enduring basis." denly cropped up like a batholite? It is because. the pride of the people was hurt, -If we look round the country today, it will be people felt that even for a small matter if the apparent that too much of over-centralisa- State Chief Minister should come to Delhi tion has really given rise to the forces of and be under its dictate, then he is not worth disintegration. Alsoone must rememberthat his salt, and the people wanted the Govern- in a country like India, if people are to pros- ment which can give certain amount of credi- per, if our planning process is to gain mo- bility and respect to its people. This pride is mentum, if the money spent for the planning an inherent trait of the Indian people and process is to reach the people, it is possible unless our political relationship is based in only through decentralisation of power and which this point is reflected in the day-to-day there I will say that when I advocate for governance of this country, the relationship Centre and State relationship, I do not mean will be strained and I do not think that the relationship merely between the Centre and country will progress or prosper. The second the State. If the relationship ends there, we reason is, history has amply proved that it is cannot get the best of the world. The rela- not that the country has disintegrated be- tionship must further percolate. There must cause of a liberal approach, the country has also be a relationship with healthy autonomy disintegrated whenever there has been to the local bodies. That is why probably over-centralisation. The most prosperous Gandhiji talked in terms of giving full auton- time of our history has been that of Asoka or omy to the villages and his emphasis was on Akbar when there was liberalism and the Gram panchayats. But one cannot go in a country disintegrated at the time of Auran- debate of this nature in depth and in detail of gazeb, not that Aurangazeb was a corrupt these aspects and, therefore, I will refer to ruler, but because there was too much of some of the particular provisions which need . over centralisation. In. fact, the Sarkaria today perhaps a scrutiny. Commission has taken note of it. One can point our that at page 5 of its report, when it Coming to the administrative relations, dealt with the perspective, it says: obviously one of the articles which has been mentioned by all the speakers has been "Another significant fact that stands article 356-the article under which the out in India's history is that the prov- President's rule is imposed on the States. 431 UoIion Re. Report MARCH 31,1989 on CBntTe-staIe d Commission Relalions

(SIt. Oinesh Goswamtl cases, in my respectful submission. the Staleshould have the fuB rig hi to continue its When in the Constituent Assembty this ar· full tenure and it should be left to the people tide was being debated, there were many to judge whether the action of the State has speakers who expressed the apprehension been correct or not. let us not forget that that this article wiD be misused and this will even on more occasions than once. the be used as a plan to throw overboard the people have rejected the Central constrtutionalty elected State Assemblies. Government's decision under article 356 Dr. Ambedkar, while replying to the debate, and the example of Andhra Pradesh stands pointed out and said that this has been kept as supreme. When the NTq Government there as a safety measure. He was of the was brought down. the people with over- view that this will not be brought Into whelming majority brought back NTR Who operation. I may quote again from Sarkaria really made a mockery of the Constitution. Commission when it quoted Dr. B.A. Am- who really acted unconstitutionally? It is the becI

Commission on the administrative, legisla· it is not a question. as some friends have live and financial relationship. But, some of raised it, of States Versus. Centre or Centre the recommendations of Sarkaria Commis· Versus States. I think. both need to be sion win definitely improve matters and I strengthened and the strength will lie in the think we will go a long way if these recom- cooperation between the States and the mendations are accepted but I have no illu- Centre. sion that this Government will accept the recommendations. There may be some 14.04 hrs. cosmetic changes but the cosmetic changes will not improve the atmosphere and if we [SHRIMATI BASAVARAJESWARI in the want the country to prosper, if we want that Chai1 the administration should go to the people, if we want participation of the people in the Mere provisions of the Constitution or administ"ation, then a total restructuring of amendment in the Constitution will not bring the financial, administrative and legislative that unity. The best thing is that there should relationship is necessary and when I advo- be consensus on national issues and they cate this, I do not advocate in order to should be discussed and solved amicably. weaken the Centre. I feel !hat if we do this, not only the States will be stronger but the Shrimati Indira Gandhi, keeping in view Centre will also be stronger and India will the aspirations of the people and the various prosper. points of view which were raised in this connection, for the development as well as MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri R. L. due to social changes, set up this Sarkaria Bhatia, today is Private Members day. Commission which has taken full five years Please be brief. to conclude and they have taken almost all the aspects of the problems facing the coun· SHRI R.L. BHATIA (Amritsar): I will only try. There are two points which have been raise two points as all the points have been raised by the Opposition by some of the covered. I congratulate the Sarkaria friends. The first is the financial power and Commission on the commendable role the other is the role of the Governor. which they have played. All the political parties and all the other factions have given With regard to the financial powers, I their representation and presented their think, the Centre must have those powers points of view. The Sarkaria Commission because the Centre has a responsibility to all have gone into very deeply into all the as- the States. They have to see to the needs of pects and has given a very good report. the States and go ahead accordingly. As we see in the case of floods, the amount lying The founding fathers made this with the Centre or the power the Centre has, Constitution a two-tier system, the Union as should be distributed according to the needs well as the States. In that Constitution, they of the people. I think, this is a very good had earmarked certain areas and functions system. This must continue. of the Union as well as the States. All these years, this Constitution has been functioning With regard to Governors, much discus- well and we have been able to achieve much sion has taken place. Mr. Sarkaria also dis- of the progress in this country because of the cussed from various angles. Governors are Constitution. The founding fathers had one appointed at the pleasure of the President. point in their mind, the unity and integrity of He has said that any Governor whose serv- the nation. Therefore, they emphasised on ices are dispensed with, in that ca~;e the the role of the Union or a strong Centre. The explanation should be taken. If it is the np- Centre is in a position to acquire all these pointment made at the pleasure> of the Presi- powers and then utilise them in the fashion dent then displeasure should also be with that it will be equitable to all the States. So, that of the President. So, it IS not necessary Motion Re. Rspott MARCH 31, 1989 on Centte-stals 440 d Commission Relations [Sh. RL 8ha1iaJ Council and aJI that. Similarly. the Planning Commission is there. The Planning that the Governor must be asked as to what Commission discusses with the Stales are the reasons and explanations should be about their plans and the Central Plans. taken. Why I am saying this is because the They are mutually discussed. Finally, they Governor has a very crucial role to play. mutually arrive at a certain decision and they Between the Centre and the State, he is the decide the areas in which they should play liaison. He carries out the wishes of the their role. Since it is based on consensus Centre and also the aspirations of the Gov- and discussion, the Planning Commission is ernment. He sends the report to the Centre also doing a good job. Therefore, we need based on his judgement. He is not interested not have any Inter-State Council in this rein anything. But all that he feels is that he gard. must report and on the basis of that, the Centre acts. Sir, India is a vast country. There are various problems. Some of the areas are not PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (Baramulla): that developed and some other areas are It an depends on the type of the Governor. more developed. So, in order to keep the development at the national level, the Plan- SHRI R. l. BHATIA: You have said ning Commission is playing a crucial role. about the type of the Governor. I see how Similarly, the Finance Commission has many good people have been the Gover- done a commendable job in meeting the nors. The han. Vice-President was a Gover- needs of the States. In a developing econ- nors Prof. Nurul Hasan has been a Gover- amy, a" these States want more money. nor. All the big dignitaries have been Gover- They want more powers, they want more nors. Prof. Nurul Hasan continues to the financial powers so that they may be able to Governor. I am just giving you some ex- develop their States. But the Centre, as a amples. Such dignitaries are there. There whole, has to see the common development should be no doubt about it. You should not of the whole nation. Of course, their demand doubt the intentionoftheGovernor. You may for more money is genuine. There is no be a Governor for a day also. denying the fad. Everybody would like to have more money for the development. But PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Who knows the basis should be not such legislations or it? You should have some good people in powers. The best thing is that they must your mind. (/nlerruptiol}S) come out with their demands, come out with their needs, discuss with the Centre and SHAI R. L BHATIA: It has been sug- amicably they can go ahead with those gested that there should be an Inter-State schemes. The Centre has always catered to Council. I don' agree with this. There are the needs of the States. It is because of the already the National Economic Council. the fact that if the States are developed, then the National Development Council and there is whole of India is developed. I would like to the Planning Commission. There is the Fi- quote another thing. My hon. friends men- nance Commission. All these bodies are tioned certain things that certain parties did there. They are working very nicely. So far as something, when they came to power. Shri the national Development Council is con- Dinesh Goswami has just referred to the cerned, it meets periodically in which the case of Andhra Pradesh that the Governor Chief Ministers are Members. They put forth dismissed that Government and all that. I wiD their point of views regarding their States, just refer to it. In 19n, how many Congress etc. Deliberations take place. Certain rec- Governments were dismissed by Janata ommendations are made on the basis of Party? What was the basis? Nine Govern- which the Centre takes the decision. I think, ments were dismissed S, it is not the ques- this is a good system. This should continue. tion as if the Congress Party has removed There is no need of having any Inter-State Mr. N.T.A. but that party also did the same MoDI RII. Rspott CHNfRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) d CommissiJn thing. ~ only view is that. these changes tions of the Sarkaria Commission on the will not bring development, will not satisfy the Centre State relations Our nation requires a States. The real thing is the mutual discus- strong Centre. There is unity in diversity in sion. The real thing is to build the consensus our country. In the midst of many diversities in this country because this Constitumn is there cannot be a weak Central Govern- based on consensus. There were different ment. AIongwith that, our Constitution also points of view. They were brought into the envisages independent status to the States statute book, in this Constitution. Similarly, if to function and the devebp their own re- this attitude continues, if the States do not sources. I therefore wish that the present look to the Centre in the shape of confronta- relations has envisaged in the Constitution tion. but if there is cooperation between the should continue. States and the Centre, there will be certainly development and there will be no problem. Only the States can effectively oversee My only request is that we should stress on and implement programmes in the field of cooperation ratherthan on these legal termi- agriculture. Food production and other re- nologies and others. lated functions are entirety carried out by the States. I therefore plead that in respect of lastly, I would say that Akali Party had agriculture exclusive powers should be put their case before the Sarkaria Commis- given to the States. Constitution also says Siofl. You have put your Anandpur Sahib powers in regard to education up to coHege Resolution. Frankly speaking, there are so level should be given to the States. How- many types of Anandpur Sahib Resolutions. ever, UniverSIty education should be There are various interpretations. You may h'mdJed by the Central Government. Univer- be having one interpretation. Other party sity education is vital for human resource may be having other interpretation. But now, development. That should therefore be since this has been put to the Sarkaria under the dispute Central Government Commission and Sarkaria Commission has States. The Cauveri river water dispute is an given their verdict, I think, now the Akali example. The surplus water in river Cauveri Party will not again repeat Anandpur Sahib is wasted in the ocean. But the Tamil Nadu Resolution because this has been dis- farmers do not have enough water for the cussed at the highest forum and they should crops. A separate Commission for appor- be satisfied with the Report of the Sarkaria tioning river waters between the States Commission. I am sure, Mr. Ramoowalia will should be appointed which should function appreciate the work done by the Sarkaria under the Central Government. All river Commission. It is commendable. water disputes should be settled within a time frame of 5 to 6 years. Whenever you ask Finally. again. I will repeat that the Sar- the Central Government to settle a river karia Commission Report should not be water dispute, the Government gives a rou- looked from a particular angle party angle, tine reply that the matter will be referred to a group angle or from a certain area angle. Tribunal. This is a delay tactics. This is not This should be looked as a Report which has going to help economic development. taken care of all the areas. all the aspirations Therefore the Central Government should of States. There should be cooperation in takeover the powers of resolving river water dealing with the problem rather than con- disputes. Central Government should have frontation. power to distribute surplus water to the State which are scarce in water supply. Recently [ Translation) the Karnataka Chief Minister has declared that he was not supplying water to the Tamil *SHRI R. JEEVARATHINAM (Ar- Nadu Government on the distates tactics of akkonam): Han. Madam Chairman, I would the Central Government but of his own after like to say a few words on the remmmenda- a requ~ had been received from the TamH

*Translation of the speech originally delivered in Tamil. Motion R.. Report MARCH 31. 1989 on CentnHtale 444 d Commission Relations

[Sh. R. Jeevarathinam] Governments. I consultation of the Chief Ministers is required for their appointment Nadu Government. He has said thai the then that would very much undermine the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu requested him institution of Governors. A kind of notion will to supply water and he had agreed to supply. be created that a particular Governor has That is a very good thing. let both of them been appointed on the recommendation of a decide without disturbing the Central Gov- Chief Minister. This a incompatible with the ernment. That is a welcome thing. But now constitutional provisions. Therefore this the Karnataka Chief Minister is telling that he recommendation should not be accepted. has to check up whether water is available in the river for supply to Tamil Nadu. He also I would also like to refer to certain inci- says that the comIng talks between both the dents which happened in the Tamil Nadu Chief Ministers will be the final taJks on the Assembly. The Leader of the Opposition in matter. This is creating confusion. I therefore Tam" Nadu Assembly wrote certain letter to plead that powers to adjudicate river water the Speaker. That was an intra-party affair. disputes should vest in the Central Govern· let us not go into that. She gave that letter to ment. somebody and seems to have instructed to deliver it to the Speaker. Subsequently for I would also like to draw the attention of reasons best known she reversed her deci- the Government to certain works under- sion. Newspapers reports say that she has taken by the State Governments without subsequently instructed to destroy that let- proper approval of the Planning Commis- ter. But the letter was seized by the police sion. The TelguGangaProjectoftheAndhra before its destruction without any authority. Pradesh Government is an example. The It was a confidential letter addressed by the Andhra Pradesh Chief ~inister says that Leader of the Opposition to the Speaker. permission of the Planning Commission is The police exceeded their authority when not necessary. Whether the Planning they opened the envelop containing that Commission permits or not, he says he will confidential letter. H was delivered to the execute the scheme. This is a very serious Speaker.This House must decide whether a matter. Planning Commission is an impor- confidential letter addressed by the Leader tant body of the Central Government. The of the Opposition to the Speaker can be Planning Commission was first appointed by seized and its confidentiality violated by the the Congress during the days of Nehru. It is police? This has led to many problems in the an organisation of repute and taken; up it State Assembly. How the letter reached the cannot be allowed to be ignored in this hands of the Speaker is still a puzzle. This manner. A firm steps has to be taken up by definitely a breach of privilege of the leader the Central Government against such of the Opposition. This was raised by the moves. There are many non-Congress Congress Members in the Assembly. It was Governments with separatists" demand not allowed and on the other hand violence which are functioning In this country WIth an was unleashed on them. Bharathi, the great ulterior motive of weakening the Central poet sang as follows: Government Therefore in this context a strong centre is an imperative need. -Mother Bharat has 30 crores faces but her body is one About the appointment of the Gover- she speaks 18 languages nors the Commission has recommended but her philosphy is one that the Chief Ministers concerned should be Vedas reside in her tongue. consulted before making appointment. This She has sacred sword in her hand I think is a weak proposal. Governors should She blesses the good be independent and strong. They should be and destroys the wicked. appointed by the Central Goverrvnent. They are the administrative heads of the State Bharali personified this land as a women, but AfotJon RII. Repotf CHAI1HA 10, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-statfl 448 of Commission Relations in the Assembly. violence was comfTlitted on liberty of thought, expression. belief. a That is the greatest msult on woman. faith and worship; Equality of status womanhood and the whole wortd should and of opportunity; and to promote hang their head in shame. Hon. Shri Somu among them all Fraternity assuring ~e showed to while speaking a photograph dignity of the individual and the unity his statement the Chief Minister was support and integrity of the nation.· also injured. But whatever happened in the Assmebly happen~ under the very nose of Madam, the issue which comes up in my the Chief Minister. There were around 150 mind is what will be the s~uation in the members the ruli~ party members and 40 in delicate relationship between the Centre 10 60 Members were in the opposition. How and the States when the State Government an this 40 or 60 Members could have over- decides to flout the very fundamental prin- powered 160 Members? This is a questiofl. ciples which are laid down in our Preambl~of That was an assembly where illustrious the Constitution. What is the answer to thIS? leaders like Raja Ji. Kamraj, Prakasam, Normally, when such a flagrant violation of Satyamoorthy and others remained as the Constitution, the Fundamental Direc- Members. Therefore the excess rom mitted tives takes place, the immediate answer that by the police amount to breach of privi,ege. is very often resorted to is the emergency The Central Government should institute an provisions in the Constitution under the puni~~ enquiry into the whole matter and the President's Rule. But even the Sarkaria guilty. We do not desire t~at the Mlms~ry Commission in its Report has categorically headed by Shri Karunanidhl'should be dIS- stated that this would be unhealthy and if this missed. We are not interested in toppling the is to be resorted to every time, we would Government. The authorities and the advis- have a situation of embarrassment. If one ers around him have brought disgrace to looks at the number of times the emergency him. They have brought dishonour to the provisions have been resorted to, the maxi- State and the dishonour should be removed. mum number was during 1975-79. 9 cases With these words I conclude. out of the 21 cases were in 1977. The only ground put forth at that time was that the [Eng/ish] State Governments had lost the confidence of the people merely because in the Parlia- SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM (Sa- mentary elections, another Government, lem): Madam Chairman, to speak on the another party came as the Government at whole gamut of Centre-State relationship the Centre. There have been instances often and do justice to it would take a full day. of misuse of power by State Governments. Therefore, without addressing to all the Within the scope of the Constitution of India, major questions I would be addressing only reading both the State list and the Concur- a 1ew specific questions concerning Centre- rent List, if there is flagrant misuse of power State relationship. Undoubtedly the Pre- which does not really justify the imposition of amble to the Constitution of IndIa lays down President's rule, then what will happen and the basic guidelines and, in fact, the basic what is to be done? How does the Govern- descriptive nature of our Republic categori- ment at the Centre, the President and his cally. h has been stated very categorically in representative as Governor, come to an our Preamble that: independent conclusion as to whether at all . there is violation or not? We had seen in the 'We. the people of India, having sol- State of Punjab, sometime ago, when Mr. emnly resolved to constitute India into Kairon was the Chief Minister, an inquiry was a sovereign socialist secular demo- instituted to go into the misuse of power. cratic republic and to secure to all its When the then Chief Minister misused his citizens: power, to the extent of trying to influence the author~ies, well beyond what is called per- Justice. social, economic and political;. missible limits, we have seen the inquires, 447 Motion Re. Repott MARCH 31,1989 on CiJntr9-stala .us of Commission Relations [Sh. P.R. Kumaramangalam] privileged communication to the Speaker was seized. taken hold of by the police. an we have seen the dismissal of Chief Minis- executive arm of the State, which they had ter, we have seem the action taken and we no right to do. The complaint was one of have also seen the outoome. But today cheating which had no oonnection with the w"'enever the issue comes up of using the letter addressed by an M.LA. to the Speaker commissions of Inquiry Ad to decide of the House. Having taken hold of it. they whether or not there has been misuse of have opened it according to their own admis- power, there have been various views pro- sion tor which they had no jurisdiction. pounded. In fact, the Sarkaria Commission Thereafter, the report clearly reveals and the has, while dealing with this issue, said that subsequent e\lents prove that this letter misuse of power is possible at both levels. went from the police to the hands of the When it is at the central level, yes, it is Speaker via the Home Secretary and the possible to look into it through a Commisison Chief Minister. This shows that the police;s of Inquiry appointed by the Centre but when being used as an instrument to intimidate, it Is at the State level, then the question threaten the oppoSition leaders, U.LAs. as arises whether it is only the State Govern- weI! as destroy all forms of democratic func- ment which will appoint the Inquiry Commis- tioning. In fact, the Commissioner of Police sion or whether the Central Government can went further to deny that no, it was not do it? There are precedents where the original letter, but it was a photocopy. When Central Government had done so. It is not the 'mahazar' was produced as proof, he that there are no precedents. I have already said:·' do not know anything about it.'When quoted one example. But Madam Chairman, he was asked, how thiS letter reached unfortunately, the Sarkari a Commission has Speaker, he denied all knowledge, when it is tried to recommend restriction of this power a known fact and as reported in the which is already existing in the Commission Magazine, The Week, dated 2-9 A;>ril, of Inquiry Act. Then, it would be relevant for 1989 ... (lnteffuptions) me, at this stage, to point out a few instances how flagrant violations can be done. I am speaking what happens when there is a breakdown-of law and order. It is As I just now pointed out, both liberty not off the tangent. What happens when the and justice as well as democracy can be law and order machinery is totally misused flouted with impunity if a State Government for political partisan ends. That is the issue wishes to, specially because public order and it deals with the Centre-State relation- and law and order come within their jurisdic- ship. Does the Centre have anything to do or tion. Actually, what happened in the State of does the Centre watch helplessly? Tamil Nadu is that very recenUy on the 18th of this month, the police on a complaint of After this when the Assembly look up cheating raided the house of a very close the matter, another oppositon M.L.A., not family friend of the opposition leader in the the M.L.A. whose letter went, took up and State. When they raided, they seized some raised this issue as a privilege, what was the materials. The very 'mahazar' which has outcome? In the e\lening, the place where been published in the Daily newspaper his brother usually sits in the evening, meets known as Dinmanion the 29th March, cate- friends and comrades of the party, was gorically in item 7 states-if I am permitted to raided, looted with the assistance of the translate that a blue pad consisting of a police. The act was done by goondas. When sealed cover addressed to the Seeker the police were given the number of the sealed; when opened, a letter addressed by scooter and the taxi in which the assailants Ms Jayalalita to the Speaker dated 15th came, criminals came, the police took no March 1989 was found. It clearly establishes action at all. On the contrary, that member is that the privileged right of an elected mem- being intimidated. The situation that has ber of Legislative Assembly was infringed; a arisen jn this particular instance in Tamil Motion Re. Report CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 450 of Commission Relations

Nadu is that no member of the opposition Does it suffice for a Governor's Report alone dare speak his mind, or cast any allegations to be called for? Would that amount to an or aspersions even in the Assembly, let inquiry in the real sense of the term? I beg to alone outside. The very fundamentals of disagree. I would say that a Governor's democracy are being crushed ruthlessly and Report would be looked upon especially in we have a situation where one cannot say the light of the arguments that are being that is has reached a stage where placed by the Han. Members on the other President's Rute has to be imposed; at the side, that a Governor is a partisan or Gover- same time we Cannot say that the Central nors have become partisan, etc .• that such a Government should do nothing. report is not partisan or is neutral and in the light of this, it is necessary that an independ- Madam Chairman, the Sarkaria ent inquiry commission be appointed to Commission has addressed themselves to bring out the truth. At least, let the country this problem quite straightforwardly in its know that whatever be the politics, let us at recommendation in para 2.4304 where they least protect the fundamental guidelines laid have said that the potential exists but have down in the preamble of our Constitution.- gone on to say that certain safeguard must be built into the Commission of Inquiry Act Every individual has a fundamental itself. One safeguard already exists where it right to have his dignity upheld, whether it is is possible for a Commission to be appointed he or she, especially if a person happens to by the Parliament by means of a resolution. be an Opposition leader in the Assembly. Provision exists but what the Report seeks to Unfortunately that question is not being recommend is the restricting of the Central addressed. At least we can have a situation Government powers in the matter of ap- where we can have Opposition Members in pointment. the Assembly speaking as forthrightly as my Member do here. Not only do they get pats Madam Chairman, this will be the most on the backs, also they get good words of unfortunate thing if this happens because praise and congratulations when they there are times when situation gets so much launch oHensive against the Government. out of control, that it would be necessary, Most probably they get lots of things done by and it would be so critical that the Central the very fundamental right of speech which Government acts immediately. And, if the they use so effectively. Why cann't other procedure is such that a resolution of both Assemblies and other legislatures adopt this Houses of Parliament is required for an as a fundamental prinCiple? Why have we inquiry, many lives may be lost in the proc- lost the democratic norms? ess. I would like 10 end only be saying that it Madam Chairman, may I bring to the IS wrong on the part of Commission to pre- notice of the Home Minister the Minister of sume that a Governor would not be impartial State is here that Members of Parliament if he has had political experience or belongs have submitted a memorandum to the Gov- to the ruling party at the Centre. There are ernment as well as to the President of India many such persons. After all, Prof. Nurul asking for an inquiry to be held into this Hassan, for whom my leaned friend in'the matter, into these incidents, where democ- Opposition like Shri Somnath Chatterjee racy is in perid, in Tamil Nadu. I only hope very strongly pleaded for, was a Minister that the Government at the Centre would belonging to the ruling Congress Party at the react quickly as many lives are at stake. Centre. He was impartial to such an extent Thousands and lakhs of rupees worth of that they had taken up cudgels on his behalf! poverty has already been destroyed by What better example do we have to show sheer misues of power. that we have impartial people? Just because a person belongs to a particular party or Madam. another issue that arises is: group or just because he happens to occupy 451 Motion RB. Repott MARCH 31,1989 on Centre-stats 452 of Commission Relations (Sh. P.R. Kumaramangalam) of parts. It is one whole. Certainly, Ind~ consists of various States and all the State! a particular position, you cannot say that he together make a Union and we want thai is not impartial. Union to be strong. The regional aspiration! will also have to be met and States also haVE SHRI E. A YYAPU REDDY (Kurnool): to become strong within the provisions of ttMl Kumar; Mamata Banerjee must say that. Constitution of India. I feel strongly on one point. There is need for reviewing Centre- SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGALAM: State relations. After all, we are a dynamic Kumari Mamata Banerjee cannot say it society and we cannot remain static. It was because he has gone to Orissa now. very much necessary to institute this Commission. Now we have got ins recom- Whatever be the recommendations, mendations. I did try to read the report of the whether they are about the appointment of Sarkaria Commission. But it is very difficuh Governors, about Inquiry commissions or to go through:;o many memoranda received about the Commission of Inquiries Ad itself, from States and various individuals. But I or about the emergency provisions, we must have gone through the recommendations. look at them from the point of view that India There are some positive recommendations is one whole nation and it is not made up of on which the Government of India can or- parts. I would describe it as OIlS large gar- ganise action. There are legislative recom- den, where the nation is the land and the soil mendations. There are recommendations in and the States are the flowerbeds in it. Let the financial sphere also. But it is very diffi- both prosper. Unless the land is valuable cult to dwell deep into all those recommen- and prosperous, the flower beds cannot dations and discuss them. But so far as blossom. If there are no good flowerbeds the legislative recommendations are con- land would not be worth its salt. cerned, I would like to mention something. The Commission has recommended that Let us have a strong Centre and build before a law is passed by Parliament by strong States. That I think is fundamental to virtue of Clause 3 of Article 356, read with Centre-State relations. Entries 92A and 928 in List I, the National Development Council and the States should PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOl (Baramulla): be consulted and their comments should be Madam Chairperson, I must first of all thank placed before the Parliament. I welcome this the Government of India for instituting the recommendation. I felt very happy when the Sarkaria Commission. Now that the report of Commission rejected the BJP's memoran- the Commission is available, we can organ- dum seeking abrogation of Article 370 of the ise reforms on the basis of its recommenda- Constitution. It is not temporary but it is tions. Although the Sarkaria Commission transitory. At future point of time I will discuss has not fulfilled our expectations to a great it why it remained a transitory provision in the extent, yet certain recommendations are Constitution. No other Party except the really heart-warming. I am in full agreement Bharatiya Janata Party had come forward with the view expressed by the Sarkaria with this particular point. I will come to BJP Commission that the Centre has to be slightly later. strong. But I would simultaneously say that the States should not remain weak. As far as the people of Jammu and Kashmir State are concerned, we feel, it is Our han. colleague, Dr. Gurdial Singh an integral part of the Constitution of India. Dhillon was discussing the structure of our No power on earth can remove this Article Constitution. We have a unitary Constitution from the Constitution of India as long as the but it is a federal Constitution as welL Actu- people of Jammu and Kashmir State want it. ally we are a Federation. As pointed out by Shri Kumaramangalam, India is not made up Coming to financial matters-as'l said, Motion Re. Repott CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 454 d Commission Relations It is very difficult to go through all recommen- 2nd July, 1984, a duly elected Government dations--l wholeheartedly welcome the was dismissed not because of people who recommendations of the Commission in are in Co<"'-2~9SS now. I will raise this question respect of Article 268, that is duties levied by in this august House one day. Congress is the Union and collected and appropriated by the largest Party wedded to the principle of the States. The Commission wants the socialism and secularism. It has larger re- Government of lndia to make a reasonable sponsibilities to fuHil. So, it should not toler- application of the provisions of Articles 268 ate the politics of manipulation. I say it and 269. But on my part. I would say, rather here-b9\:.9.Use it is going on record-that I woukl have expected that the Commission the Prime Minister of India Shri Rajiv Gandhi, would have gone a little further and agreed as I know him personally, does not stand for with us, as we say now, that the residual politics of manipulation. He wants to play the powers should rest with the States. As of game of politics according to rules. But there now, the recommendations which were are a couple of people who are manipulators made by the Commission should be consid- and who have pressurized Thakkar ered by the Government of India. The rec- Commission to implicate people by leaking ommendations are like this. "Since basic out the whole Report to the Press. And they circumstances do not always remain con- are creating a drama of destabilisation within stant, the Union Government should in con- the Congress. So, these manipulators; it sultation with the State Government periodi- may be at that point of time Shri Arun Nehru cally consider and explore the revision or or i1 may be even Shri Makhan Lal Fotedar. imposition of these duties." So, States will They were the people who got a duly elected have to be consulted on this. Government, a constitutional government dismissed in the Jammu and Kashmir State. Then comes the role of the Governor. We cannot forget that. That is our history. The appointment of Governors is very important. My friends were praising a couple of Therefore, the Governors are to be Governors and they mentioned Dr. Shankar selected properly and the politics of manipu- Dayal Sharma's name. Yes, he was one of lation will have to be given up and if it is a the very good Governors. He rose to the Governor who is appointed after consulta- position of the Vice President. They praised tion, after informal consultation with the Prof. Nurul Hassan. But we have to be presiding officers and effective consultation watchful. We must not give more powers to With the Chief Minister, we shall make our the Governors. The Governors are not ac- Constitution more workable. countable before Parliament. You have in- sulated the Governor against accountability MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude. and sometimes they play havoc. PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOl: I will be very The Sarkaria Commission has not brief, madam. wholly come up to our expectations. But still Sarkaria Commission wants Article 155 to Then let us take Article 356 whereby the be amended suitably so that you can make President's Rule is imposed. The Sark(.,j 0 provisions for effective consultation of the Commission says that Article should be Chief Minister. Not only that. The Sarkaria used sparingly, unless there is fool-proof Commission also wants that informally and evidence that constitutional authority no confidentially the Presiding Officers-two longer obtainS in the State and that 1here i:, Presiding Officers (the Speaker of the Lok a breakdown of law and order, 1r,l:' Sabha and the Chairman of Rajya Sabha) President's Rule shOuld not tlt; '~'pt.)seJ should be consulted and also the State Chief And as far as we are concemec. we g~t thf.:/ Ministers should be consulted. This is nec- Governor's Rule. But the Governor canna essary. I say this because I have not forgot- decide the majority in his drawing room ten, that in Jammu and Kashmir State, on Now. we want that we must go by the advicE 455 Motion Re. Report MARCH 31,1989 on Centre-slats .4S6 of Commission Relations (Prof. Saifuddin Soz] Then, there is an Article in the Constitution, that is, Article 249. It is a very of the Sarkaria Commission and always this dangerous article. My State Government is majority will be decided on the floor of the already in touch with the han. Home Minister Assembly. And, as I said we must play the and here was Mr. Dinesh Goswami, who game of politics according to its rules and wanted this article to be scrapped. I say that therefore never allow the Governor to inter- this article should not be scrapped, but it fere with the Government after the President should be tailored to the needs of the States. has appointed him, according to the proce- It should be amended because as of now, it dure. Then he should not interfere with us is the power of Parliament to legislate with and whenever he goes against the respect to a matter in the State List in the Constitution he must be answerable. As of national interest. Now anybody can deter- now he is not answerable to Parliament and mine the national interests.ltcan be decided we may have to amend the Constitution for any time. But that State will not be consulted that. at all. So, this sweeping-Power to Parliament in so far as the State List is concerned is very The Sarkaria Commission has de- dangerous and we have reservations when scribed the All India Services as very essen- Article 249 was extended to the whole of the tial. I say that these services are very essen- country. We raised our voice. We are in tial. But I feel sorry that, Pandit Jawaharlal touch with the hon. Home Minister. Shri Nehru did not live with us for a decade more, Dinesh Goswami wants that it should be because he would have certainly made, scrapped. I say it may not be scrapped, bl. among other things, this bureaucracy an- a provision should be made that the State swerable and responsive to our aspirations. Governments should be consulted.

The Sarkaria Commission has made Now I will come to the three language some bald recommendations. I was trying to formula'. The Sarkaria Commission has not find out further recommendations in this dealt with this question at length. I feel the chapter. There are no recommendations. Commission had committed a mistake. It is Even this one, about the bureaucracy, yes, an important question. The Sarkaria we have very good people there. We are all Commission dealt with it cursorily. I rise here good and bad people, we belong to India, the and say that the three language formula as bureaucracy has come to stay, it is a very decided by the Parliament should be imple- good service, the lAS, and it will remain so mented properly. As of now, I must report to and certainly I agree with the Sarkaria you that it was not properly Implemented. Commission that it contributes to the unity ... (Interruptions) and integrity of India. But, how can we make the bureaucracy responsive to our aspira- SHRI P. KOLANDAIVElU (Gobichetti- tions which it is not, as a whole? It is time that palayam): How can it be? Only two lan- we do it. So many things we do not achieve guage formula ... (/nterruptions) because our bureaucracy is not abreast of what is happening at the grass-roots level. It PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOl: For you, it is is not responsive to our aspirations and the two-language formula. I have accepted the people's representatives. It is not directly three-language formula wholeheartedly. I responsive to the aspirations of the people. would like to say that if we make Hindi as a We srall have to do something in that; not by Rashtra Basha we must not fqrget Urdu, sending them abroad for training, but by Kashmin, and we must not forget all the having a dialogue wIth them and then the fourteen languages of India in the Eighth expectations will be fulfilled. I am sorry to say Schedule of the Constitution. I must report to that the Sarkaria Commission has given you that there is a conspiracy against Urdu. bald recommendatIOns so far as these all Even some officers are involved in the con- hdla ServICeS are concerne(f spiracy. Recently, the Vice Chancellor of JIaIIon Re.. Rspott CHAfTRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) on Csntrs.state 458 01 Commission Relations

AIIgarh MusHm University said, 'you can be abolished. I rise hare to say that the change the scrpt of Urdu'. t want to take the Minorities Commission should be mad. a House into confidence. We must giVe due statutory body. I would draw the attention of sympathy to those 'who sit in the chair. But the Government of India that BJP is playing they want to get glued to the chair. For their communal politics and I expect the hone personal interost. they can sell the whole Minister Shri Chidambaram or S.Buta nation. One of them is the VICe-Chancellor of Singhji, when he intervenes in the debate. to the Aligarh Muslim Ufliversity. He says 'even give an answer regarding the communal you can change the script and make it Deva- situation that is being created in the country nagri'. I raise an objection to this. We should by the BJP. not accept it. This language does not belong to the Muslims. It belongs to the whole of 15.00 hrs. India. I want to tell the Vice Chancellor of the Aligarh Mus6m University ,Shri Brji Narain [ Translation) Chekbast, Shri Acharya Data Thariya Kaifi, Shri Trilok Chand Mahroom, Sri Rathan DR. G.S. RAJHANS: Madam, Chair- Nath Sarshar Shri Jagannath Azad, and Shri man, I will make a brief submission I would Gopichand Charan that this language was like to make two or three points only. accepted by the Hindus and the Muslims alike. All those people accepted this scropt Firstly, I want to say that a country wide and it cannot be changed. Sir, the Urdu discussion should be held on Sarkaria language is not being treated properly. Commission Report and it should not be Wherever we hear these voices of disrup- confined to the discussion held in the House tion. we should reject them. only. As the New Education PoHcy was discussed in schools, colleges and in other lastly, I would like to point out that BJP associations, so this subject should also be is playing a Hindu card. I want the Congress discussed in the same manner. I would like Party, which is the largest party, to rise to the that a brief summary should be prepared of occasion and not to playa defensive game; this report and it should be circulated to they must launch an offensive through. it schools, colleges, universities, lawyers' ideologoy for the unity and integrity of India. associations and public institutions for dis- At Udaipur. BJP passed resolutions, which cussion because I think that after independ- are potentially common. I have already ence there has not been any other document condemned those resolutions. Among of such paramount importance as this one them. they praised Rushdie for writing tile which arose so much country-wise interest. book, blasphemy against Islam. Shankara- The Sarkaria Commission has rightly rec- charya of Puri had condemned Rrushdie ommended that the Centre should be strong because blasphemy is bad. Today it may be and states should get autonomy. The 3000 against the Prophet of Islam, next day it may years old history of our country stands testi- be against Rama or Krishna. We must not mony to the fact that whenever the Centre encourage these people. They criticised left became weak, the country broke up intQ parties for supporting the ban. I must compli- several independent units. Now on the face ment the Government that it banned thjs of numerous dangers looming large over the book. before many Islamic countries did it, country, It is even more essential for the only to save this country from a civil war, country to have a powerful Central Govern- bloodshed. The opposition is playing a game ment.1 want to submit that Centre should not for the sake of opposition. There will be be allowed to be weak under the any circum- occasions when Government of India takes stances. I am in favour of giving due powers good measures, they should come forward to the States. but the Centre and States are and support them. At Udaipur they pleaded like two brothers. It is only when both are for abrogation of Article 370. Further they strong that the country will become strong said that the Minorities Commission should and this cannot happen if they are at logger- 459 Motion Rs. RlIpOft MARCH 31, 1989 of Commission [Dr. G.S. Rajhans) cannot afford to take a hasty decision because it concems the interests of lite whole heads with sach other. country. Therefore, I do not agree to this recommendations of the Sarkaria Commis- One at the most controversial recom- sion. mendation of the Sarkaria Commission Report Is regarding the appointment of The Sarkaria Commission's recom- Governors. It has been recommended that mendation to create and Inter-State council Governors should be appointed with consul- is a good recommendation and such coun- tation of the concerned Chief Ministers. I cils should be constituted -and in which think that this has very dangerous implica- Cabinet Ministers, Chief Ministers of States tions because H State Chief Ministers are should be included. This will solve many consulted in the matter of appointment of problems and many controversies will be put Governors, they will naturally demand the to an end. Governor of their liking. The Governor is the representative of the Centre and many As regards the appointment of Gover- things happen in the states such as break- nors, this Commission has not favoured the down of the law and order, financial bank- appointment of politicians as Governors. his ruptcy and overdrafts beyond permissible very strange that the politicians have been limit$ etc. Therefore, there should be some treated as untouchables. Even a man of one who in the state who should inform the means may enter into politics by mistake and Centre about the affairs of the State. H at all, besides men of status can also become you want that the Governor should be ap- politicians.Today it is a fashion to join poli- pointed with consultation of the concerned tics. We can see cartoons of politicians in the Chief Minister, you may please amend the newspapers everyday and they are lam- constitution. In many countries Governors poored. Should not good and competent are appointed through the process of elec- people enter politics? Therefore, I strongly tion. This method can be adopted in this oppose this recommendations of the Sar- country as well. And if Governors are karia Commission that politicians should not elected, there is no need for the Chief Minis- be appointed as Governors. In fact, only ters. The same person can function as the politicians and politicians alone should be Governor as well as Chief Minister. I mean to appointed as Governors because they have say that Government should never agree to vast political experience and have wit- the point that Chief Ministers should be nessed all shades of politics. Some people consulted in the matter of appointment of think that politics is the resort of the incompe- Governors. It will be a very dangerous provi- tent, the rejects and the dregs of society. I sion if accepted and the country will have to would say that even good people enter poli- ~ ..."'i~' a very heavy price for it in the long run. tics. Now the situation has changed. Com- petent and good people have started enter- The Sarkari a Commission has also ing politics and in the years to come even stated that the State bifls reserved for Presi- better people wili take to politics. Therefore, dents assent are kept pending for a long politicians should be appointed as Gover- time. Before giving his assent to the Bills, the nors. and if not all. at least 80 percent of them President has to consider various aspects of should oe politicians. the matter and has also to consult the Cen- tral Government. The Centre cannot afford As regards regional imbalances, all out to watch the interests of one state only. Hhas efforts should be made to remove regional to look after the interests of all the state of the imbalances. I would like to humbly submit union. Therefore, it the Centre is not able to and I should not be misunderstood. Bihar take an immediate deCIsion on a certain bill, has all the minerals. labour and infrastruc- it cannot be accused of being partial. The ture but still it is backward. People laugh at Centre has to deliberate on it slowly and such agruement and dismiss it by saying that AI:JIion Re. Rspott CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) of Q,mmissbn tor a 8hiari and for that matter the people of do not want to repeat it. But I want to empha- 88IIem U.P •• they are destined for it. Hyou sise that power should not be concentrated think impartially you would realise Bihar and in the hands of the District Magistrates who Eastern Uttar Pradesh should' at least be are tAS. officers. Persons with rural back- given their due. TIS should not happen. I grounds are unable to compete in the civil regional imbalance is not removed the re- services examination and one destined to sentment among peopJe will incraese. The lead the life of slaves whereas the urban Naxalile movement in Central Bihar is youths who have the opportunity of receiving spreading all ov. Bihar. This is not a matter education in public schools and have ac- to be laughed at but is of serious concern. quired fluency in spoken English are able to Therefore I would like you to pay fun atten- compete in this examination even though tion to remove regional imbalance. All back- they may not have sound knowledge 01 ward states should be helped to develop and academic subjects. This system has to be come up. One of the recommendation of the put to an end if we want to bring real democ- Sarkari a Commission which I liked most is racy. with regard to reviewing of amounts of the royalty after every two years instead of two The States should be empowered to years. I would like to suggest that such formulate their own plans and I do not agree review should take place every year. Bihar is to the recommendation with regard to resid- suffering on this account. The minerals of uary powers. Residuary powers should be in Bihar are sent to various parts of the country the hands of the Centre and in the schemes and are also exported to foreign countries. of the Centre which are executed by the However the state is getting only a nominal State, M.Ps and M.L.As should also have a royalty. Therefore, I render full support to the say. They should be approved of the position recommendation made in the Sarkaria with regard to steps taken for the weHare of Commission Report for reviewing the royaHy the people. after every two years. The Sarkaria Commission has made the most outstand- The Sarkaria Commission has empha- ing recommendation about the three tier sised upon the supremary of the Parliament Government. In fact, Hen. Shri Rajiv Gandhi I do not want to go into further details but I is making efforts in this direction. Efforts are would like to repeat what I have alreac:tY being made to establish the Panchayat Raj mentioned. A country wide discussion System. If there is a devolution of power from should be held on the Sarkaria Commission Centre to States, there should be further Report because 48 or 49 years have gone by devolution of powers from state to the local since the constitutIOn came into force and bodies. Only then there will be real democ- therefore, it is necessary to have source racy. We shall hold detailed discussions on changes in the federal structure in consulta- the Panchayati Raj System when this sub- tion with the people of the country. ject will be taken for discussion in the House. [English] As the hen. Member who spoke pro- ceeding to me stated and I want to reiterate SHRI P. KOLANDAIVElU (Gobichetti- the same that there is a tendency of empow- palayam): Madam Chairman, the Sarkaria ering the District Magistrates vast powers. Commission was constituted in 1983 and it All powers are concentrated in the District submitted its Report in 1987. After four years Magistrate. All the development works are of hard work, they have submitted the Report undertaken by him. The public representa- and almost all the States have given their tives have no voice. This is a very dangerous opinion with regard to the Centre-State rela- trend for which democracy will have to pay tions. the price. The bureaucrats have little interest in development programmes. The issue of As tar as my State is concerned, when corruption is often raised in this House and I my lamented Chief Minister was there in Motion ~. RiIpotr MARCH 31,1989 on CentnJ-state 464 oI00mmlasion Relations rsh. P. KolandalwluJ place in the country. There are three Usta given in the Constitution the Concurrent List. Tamil Nadu, he had given the opinion with the Union List and the Central List. Now, I regard to the Centr8~tale relationship. He would like to point out that same of the . ad given the opinion that the relationship of powers are being taken away which are ;"18 States with the Centre must be cordial within the jurisdiction of the States, without 3nd the Centre should be strong because even informing them. If any power under the only a strong Centre can build strong States. State is taken away and vested with the If the foundation is not strong, if the base is Centre, the States should be kept informed not strong, the structure also wid not be of those powers which have been taken "ong. That is why the Centre must be away from them and vested them with the Itrong enough and more powers must be Centre. If the powers are taken away by the gNeft to the Centre. The States must have Centre from the States, it will be an un- Ihefr own powers. . heahhy practice and it will set a precedent.

The Chief Ministers of some of the non- As far as the Sarkaria Commission Congress(f)-ruled States are criticising the Report is concerned, they recommended Prime Minister and the Union Cabinet Minis- that the residued powers with regard to the ters. even in Tamil Nadu, when Karunanidhi taxation should be vested the Union Govern- was the Opposition leader,our Prime Minis- ment and the legislative powers must be in ter, when the went to Tamil Nadu, was criti- the Concurrent List. I accept this recommen- cised as 'chhota bhai' in politics. Is it correa dation and it is a correct recommendation. to say fike that? Karunanidhi may be having Sir, with regard to the State-Centre relation, enough experience .n politics and in age also the then Chief Ministe·- of Tamil Nadu, the he may more than sixty, but that does not late Mr. Annadurai said in 1962-he was mean that our Prime Minister is a chhota imprisoned for having taken part in a rally bhai. But he was criticised like that. Even our and he was in jail for more than six months in Union Minister of State for Home Affairs, Mr. Vellore-when the Press people asked Chidambaram. has been criticised that in when the Chinese invaded the country at politics he is a small boy. How can they say that time, about his demand for a separate like that? Not only the Tamil Nadu Chief 'Dravidanad', he said "I am giving it up. I want Minister, even the Chief Minister of Andhra a strong Centre and the nation can be great Pradesh criticised the Prime Minister like and when the nation is great I can be safe this. I think only a strong Centre can have and my State can be safe". So, he had given hold on both Congress (I) and non-Congress up the demand of separate 'Dravidanad' (I) - ruled States. The States must be given once for all in 1962. Mr. Somu. my colleague limited powers. If more powers are given to from the DMK party, was stating that Article them, they will come to the conclusion that 356 must be taken away from the they are separate from the Centre and then Constitution. How can it be? The very same they will become autocrats in their States. provisions under Article 356 were used in So, I will plead for a strong Centre and the 1980 with the active connivance of ... ** .. .in relationship between the Centre and the order to dismiss our Government in Tamil States must be cordial. When the Nadu. (Interruptions) Const~ution was framed in 1949, a different situation was prevailing at that time. At that time the social structure was totally different. SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: There were so Since then, far-reaching and sweeping many reasons for sending away M.G.R. changes have taken place in the country. So, fromtheGovernment in 1980. There were so n the prevailing present situation, the many reasons. (Interruptions) 'Anstitution should be amended. The Anstitution should be amended according MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Somu, he is not :) the sweeping changes that have taken yielding. Mr. Kolandaivelu, please continue.

I EXpunged as ordered ahy the chair. MoIion Re. Report CHAITRA ~O. 1911 (SAKA) of Commission

SHRI P. KOlANOAIVELU: Madam, he this? The Chi&f Ministers are misusing their was quoting the very words of Shri Sanjeeva powers for their political ends. Reddy, the then President of India, that Article 356 of the Constitution must be taken SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: How it is con- away. (Interruptions) nected? (/nterrupfi,ns)

SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: I have not said so. MR. CHAIRMAN: I am hera to watch the He is misquoting me. I have not stated that. proceedings. who do you come in the way? Kindly go through the records. Let me see what it is.

MR. CHAIRMAN: You have clarified SHRI P. KOLANOAJVEL~~.'.fdadam the position. That is over. Chairman, this is the very thing, that twp. pened on 18.3.1989 when Mr. Natara;an's SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Madam, house was raided by the Police Commis- what I was saying is that these peoRle who sioner of Madras. He has seized so many were in power were not saying anything with articles from his house. Even I have got the regard to Article 356 of the Consti1ution and photostat copy of the report seized by the they did not make any criticism about the police. It is true copy of it, which I have got. Article. Mr. Sanjeeva Reddy, after he had relinquished the Office of the President, had SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: Madam, are we stated that the Constitution should be discussing Home Ministry's Demands? amended. Why should Mr. Sanjeeva Reddy comment with regard to the Constitution? MR. CHAIRMAN: Let me see. Why do Wh~ did he not make com ment when he was you interrupt, Mr. Somu? Let him say what- in power? ever he wants to say. I am here,l am watching the proceedings carefully. Let ma see. MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Kolandaivelu, as far as possible, please do not mention the ( Interruptions) names because they are not here to defend themselves. Please speak on the subject. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVElU: Madam, the police has seized a blue sealed cover which SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Madam, as was addressed to the Speaker of the Tamil far as the Centre-State relation is con- Nadu Assembly. Actua"y the police raided cerned, the Chief Minister of every State, the House for a charge under Sections 420, particularly non-Congress ruled State, is 407, 409 and 307 also. Does the sealed taking powers in his own hands. The Chief cover which was addressed to the Speaker Ministers are misusing their own powers. relate to the crime actually? (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Kolandaivelu, Madam Chairman, on 18.3.89 one Mr. please try to come to the point. Natarajan's house was raided.

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVElU: Yes, SHRI N. V.N SOMU: Madam, how is it Madam, I am coming to the point. It is a very connected with this Resolution? shameful act.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Let me see. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY: Everybody is speaking what he wants to speak. but not ( Interruptions) on the subject.

MR. CHAIRMAN: But anyhow, they SHRI P. KOLANDAIVElU: What is should come to the point. Motion Re. Report MARCH 31. 1989 on Centlll-Stattl 468 d Commission Relations SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Actually I MR. CHAIRMAN: He is not dragging his am on the subject. I am teDing how the Chief name into this. Ministers are misusing the police powers. That is what I am telling. Madam Chairman. mE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE actually this cover is a sealed cover which MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC was addressed to the Speaker of the Tamil GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MIN- Nadu .Assembly. but it has also been written ISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF that the cover was broken open and the Jetter HOME AFFAIRS (SHRt P. CHIOAMBA- was taken away and it was sent to the Home RAM): He has not said anything against the Secretary of Tamil Nadu Government. Ever Speaker (Interruptions) it has been reported in the weekly magazine: ::HRI G.M. BANATWAlLA (Ponnani) -According to the sources in the State The Chair will rule. He has not said anything. Intelligence, as soon as the letter was The hon. Member must not be disturbed like found ...... this. The Chair will rule. (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: Don't read. Try to SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: How can he refer mention. to the Speaker of the Tamil Nadu Assembly?

SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELu: Very well. MR. CHAIRMAN: No, no. You have to I am mentioning. The Assistant Commis- take permission before you speak. Mr. sioner sent it to the Commissioner who, in Somu. turn. handed it to the Home Secretary at 10.30 P.M. What business the Home Secre- tary has got with regard to the cover which SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: What relevance it was addressed to the Speaker of the Tamil has got? Nadu Assembly? How this is being misused? Madam, actually this letter was sent to MR. CHAIRMAN: Why do you interrupt the Speaker. Even now press people ask, like this? Let him speak whatever he wants. even so many politicians ask with regard to I am watching the proceedings. this question. SHRI E. AYY APU REDDY: His point is SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: He is unnecessar- Article 356 should remain (Interruptions) ily trying to bring the name of the.Speaker of the Tamil Nadu Assembly (Interruptions) MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Kolandaivelu, try to be brief. Please continue. SHRt P. KOLANDAIVELU: I am not casting any aspersion. What business the SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: This is the Home Secretary has gal? (Interruptions) I highest forum whe:-e I can seek a remedy am not referring to the Tamil Nadu Speaker. and you are the custodian of democracy, Madam. SHAI N. V.N SOMU: What is the relevance of the Tamil Nadu Speaker here? When the democratic norms are being violated, I have to report to you then. MR. CHAIRMAN: I am watching to see whether it is relevant or not. 'The Commissioner in turn handed it to Home Secretary. By 10.30 p.m. copies SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: How can he refer of the resignation letter and the four- to the Tamil Nadu Assembly Speaker? page appeal to party men had reached all newspaper offices. It is said that SHRI P. KOLANDAIVElU: J have not policemen in plain clothes took them to mentioned his name. newspapers. " ~Re. Rspott CHAITRA 10,1911 (SAKA) on Centre-state 470 d Commission Relations

SHAI N.V.N. SOMU: Which paper he is SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: Let him confine quoting? himseH to the Resolution on the Centre- State relations. SHRI P. KOlANOAIVELU: I have stated already. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: It is very much connected with the Centre-State rela- MR CHAIRMAN: Mr. Kolandaivelu. I tions. have told you not to read the paper. As far as possible. try to avoid this. Try to mention the MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Kolandaivelu, try points if you have got anything to say within to come to the point. the scope of this discussion. SHRI P. KOLANOAIVELU: Yes. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Madam, the Madam. The policemen took the letter in very important point is, it is said that police- plain clothes to all the newspapers. This is men in plain clothes took them to newspa- bad .. ActualJy .... ** ..... is misusing the police pers. What business they have got to do so? for his political end. What is the political end ( Interruptions). here? After the recent by-elections. Madam, actually he is afmid that Miss Jayalalitha, the MA. CHAIRMAN: Why do you again Opposition leads:'. may come to power. interrupt? That is why. in order to dislodge her from the position of Opposition leadership, he has SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: No, Madam, we misused the police in ord.3r to serve his cannot discuss it here (Interruptions) political ends.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Somu, you Madam, actually she has alreadY,sant a should not interrupt like that. I am here to Memorandum to the Prime Minister and also watch the proceedings. to the President to appoint an Inquiry Commission to inquire into the matter and SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: When you immediate action to be taken to find out who were on your legs, I did not disturb you like are all the assailants in this matter. this. The next incident also happened in SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: When I spoke on Tamil Nadu Assembly on the 21st March. this Resolution, I academically struck to it. I have dealt with the main point only. But he is SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: How can he go unnecessarily dragging all the thin~s here. into the happenings of Tamil Nadu ( Interruptions) Assembly? (Inter(uptio(;~)

MR. CHAIRMAN: Without taking my MR. CHAIRMAN: let me see what he permission, don't try to get.up like that-It is says. I do not know what he is going to not good. You must take my permission. speak. What is this you are speaking? Is it a point of order or a point of information? What is that SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: He has mentioned you want? Tamil Nadu Assembly. There is no question of seeing at all (Interruptions) SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: I am on a point of order. SHRI P. KOLANDAIVElU: Do you mean to say that I have no right to mention MR. CHAIRMAN: Under what rule? Mr. Tamil Nadu Assembly? What is this? At the Somu. please resume your seat. Mr. Kolan- mere mention of the Tamil Nadu Assembly daivelu, please continue. he is agitated. (Interruptions)

··Expunged as ordered by the Chair. 471 At»Ibt R& RIJpotf on MARCH 31, 1989 PMBR CommiltH 472 tJI Commission c.ntr.,,. R8pOIt Relations MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Somu, let me MR. CHAIRMAN: What is your point of hear what he ;s going to say. order?

SHRJN.V.N. SOMU: How can you allow SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: The past relation it? of the Congress Party with DMK and ADMK may also be considered by Commission. MR. CHAIRMAN: Let me hear him first. MR. CHAIRMAN: What is your point of order? SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: He has mentioned the very name of the Tami! Nadu SHAI N.V.N. SOMU: The Tamil Nadu Assembly. Assembly is a separate forum. This House has not discussed so far anything about the SHRI P. KOLANDAIVELU: Is it illegal happenings of any Assembly or any other then? forum. Speaker has given his Ruling. In the light of that, I am asking how you can allow SHRI N. V.N. SOMU: How can he him to mention the happenings in the Tamil mention it? Nadu Assembly. That IS the point. (Interrup- tions) SHRt P. KOLANDAIVELU: Have I not got the right to mention the Tamil Nadu MR. CHAIRMAN: I will give my ruling. Assembly. (Interruptions) You are not the person to reply. I am here to give my ruling. My ruling is, there is not point SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: He has not nghtto of order. However, you were saying some- mention that. thing. I will see wha1 Mr. Kolandaivelu is going to say. Mr. Kolandaivelu, you can SHRI P. KOlANDAIVELU: Is it unpar- continue on Monday. liamentary then? It is a democratic forum. 15.31 hrs. MR. CHAIRMAN: If it is unparliamen- tary, I will rule it out. Let me first hear what he [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chaiij is going to say. How can I prevent him from saying that? It is not possible because I MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER. We are now cannot prevent him. Please resume your taking up private Members Business Shri seat. Ram Awadh Prasad.

SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: I am on apomtof order. [ Translation] MR. CHAIRMAN: What is your point of order? COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS' BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS ( Interruptions) [ Translation]

SHRI P. CHIDAMBARAM: I think you Sixty-Second Report should recommend that we should have Sarkari a Commission on DMK-ADMK rela- SHAI RAM AWADH PRASAD (Basti): tionship. Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, I beg to move:

SHRI N.V.N. SOMU: Not only that. "That this House do agree with the ( Interruptions) Sixty-Second Report of the Committee RtIsI. Re. UsasufBS CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Population 474 IDpxboI . Explosion

on Private Member's Bills and Resolu- per couple nbrm by the tions presented to the House on the people; 29th March 1989-. (iii) raise the level of education of [English1 women; MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The (iv) provide adequate health question is: care to women and children; "That this House do agree with the (v) lay down a uniforme civil Sixty-second Report of the Committee code for all citizens espe~ on Private Members' Bills and Resolu- cially ~ith regard to marriage tions presented to the House on the and family welfare; and 29th March, 1989: (vi) set up a National Population The motion was adopted. Commission to suggest measures to achieve the target of zero per cent population growth rate by the turn of 15.32 hrs. the century."

RESOLUTION RE: MEASURES TO Before I start my deliberation, I will CONTROL POPULATION start with a sloka: EXPLOSION Sarve Bhavantu Sukine [English) Sarve Santu Niremaya sarve Bhandrani Pashyantu MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Dr. Ma Kashchld Dukhbhagbhaveta Krupasindhu Bhoi, you can move your resolution. This is the Mahamantra and this was adopted by Shrimati Indira Gandhi and she DR. KRUPASINDHU BHOI (Sam- was not only the mother of India but she was balpur): I am grateful to you that you Sir, the mother of the globe. are in the Chair when I move my resolutions. Ayam Nija Para Veti Gunana Laguchetsam I beg to move: Udaar Charitanam Tu Vasudev Kutambakam "This House notes with grave concern the population explosion in the country This is the Path of Jagannath culture. which has thwarted all development Lord Jagannath is not only the God of efforts and urges upon the Government Orissa. He is the God of the whole universe to take inter alia the following measures and He is the God of not only Hindus but he for improving the quality of life of the is the God of Islam for which one Salabiga people: has written many poems and prayers.

(i) recognise the family welfare It is indeed a matter of great privilege, programme as a national besides being an eleded member of this imperative; august House, a member of the medical profession. that I am moving this resolution, (ii) evolve a national consensus in the larger interests of the nation's prosper- for acceptance of one child ity. The 'Tryst with destiny' which the late 475 RHI. RfI. MeasUI'H MARCH 31,1989 Population 476 ~ Control Explosion (Dr. l

[Dr. Krupasindhu Bhoi] primary school education. This is for girls only. For the upper class, it is different. that we are able to fulfil the aspirations of the' whole globe and the whole country will be A person in China adopting one-child happy about it. Ensure zero growth rate by family norm is getting a house site, free 2000 AD. Though I have written this, I am education and after Class 12 if his child is requesting the Government to have legisla- meritorious, reservation of a seat is there in tion phasewise. Let us have two-child norm the medical.colleqe and in different techno- now till we are successful to give the hope logical institutions. Why not we also do this? that if the first child is dead the recanalisation We can also impart tW$ incentive here. is made or the new method of Ayurvedic system of medicine is bio-medically proved Now, the female literacy ratio is 1:2. to be successful. 24% females as against 48% male Iiteracy. Though it has increased, from 1901 until now It has been largely found that through it is 2: 1 only. It should be rather reversed and education of women it is possible to keep a unless and until that is stressed upon I don't check on the population growth. In a country think we can achieve the cherished goal of where the rural women attribute the birth of Mrs. Indira Gandhi who has singed the Alma a child as a divine gift, it is necessary that At declaration in 1977. We have adopted a they should be given education. We should national health policy in 1983 declaring induce the women to join a school at the girl health for all by 2000 AD. stage. In China hundred per cent education is there. In India, if I tell that hundred percent Till today we have spent over Rs. 2600 education should be there by 2000 AD, it is crores or so only. It is just like pelting a stone not possible. So, I am stressing on the edu- over the mountain to check the population cation of women who actually should be the explosion. The minimum, according to my' decision maker for, particularly, sterilisation, . view and the Bhor Committee's recommen- contra-ceptive and spacing methods are dations, what the Health Department should now outdated. We have incorporated them get is 10% of the total Plan allocation and out from the British regime. of that, 50% should go to the population control programme. Our is not a country; it is a sub-continent having all. the seven types of geological In the vasectomy and tubectomy proc- formations like old, ancient, tertiary, ess of Allopathy and the Ayurvedic type of Gandwana and rock-feller. So,' for us in treatment where contraceptives come, this different places different types of devices country should adoptthe family planning in a have to be adopted for population control. stringent manner. Just for example you see the figures; in 1976-77, 86,63,000 people The Hon. Parliamentary Affairs Minister were sterilised. In 1977-78, it came down is sitting here. She is a woman; she must through the Raj Narain Formula to note my concrete suggestions. We would be 12,42,000 only. In 1978-79, it was 18lakhs. spending by 2000 AD a lot of money be- Now it has increased to 50,28,000.lf we cause of population explosion and the per cannot protect the eligible couple, it is a very capita expenditure will be more than one dangerous phenomenon. A serious thought thousand rupees. So, why not give some has to be given to it. cash incentives to girls below poverty line to study in a school? There should be a stipend When Mrs. Indira Gandhi was there, of Rs. 40 to Rs. 45 per month for primary she was always saying in all the world- school education. There should be Rs. 50 to forums that the fruits in nature should be Rs. 60 stipend for the higher secondary divided amongst the human beings. We school education. For the middle class always tell in all the world-forums that all people there can be Rs. 15 to Rs. 20 for human beings are the product of God. When 481 Resl. Re. Measures CHAITRA 10,1911 (SAKA) Population 482 to Control Explosion

, other European countries and developing with a minimum qualification, of say matricu- countries like China can achieve the goal, lation who knows something, should be why can't we achieve our goal? We should trained for 15 days and given that job. A ' achieve our goal by 2000 A.D., we must refresher course should be arranged for achieve the Zero per cent growth by 2010 them. A.D. For that a comprehensive legislation is required. The sons of the soil belong to Then, family planning sub-centres must everybody. I approached the Hon. Health be visited intermittently, by competent Minister through the Parliamentary Affairs people. The agent should motivate other Minister, to set up a Narasinganath Ayurve- people. The agent should be chosen by the dic Research Centre - bio-medical centre - panchayat -pradhan and other social ladies for arresting the population growth, so that of the village so that he can motivate and we can achieve this goal. explain to the people. In the upper stage, at the primary health centre level, the doctor Secondly, Sir, the family planning pro- must visit at least four times in a year to gramme is controlled by the bureaucrats. I supervise the work. The marriage age has am not averse to that. But experience sug- been increased to 18 and 21 but I want to gests that along with the bureaucrats; who marriage age should still be increased from will work in thefamily planning department, 18 to 21 for ladies and 21 to 24 for the gents. we should have doctors also, who will man That will help. those high posts. Why can't we utilise their services and keep them in that cadre? Par- Under the 20-point economic pro- ticularly, lady doctor and women volunteers gramme Government is distributing free should be recruited throughout the country doles in different parts of the country. I would to explain' various programmes to the like to say until and unless a person adopts people. I suggest, Sir, that community- two member family norm he should not be based approach will not work. So rny.suq- given any type of loan. Even the farmers who gestion will be that from every v.illage a do not adopt this norm should not be encour- person with 'a minimum qualification 'of ma- aged or rather there should be dis-incentive triculation should be taken as an agent and for them. As regards the persons working in that agent should be trained for 15 days on different public sector. and Government what are the pros and cons of the various undertakings and those who have already family planning techniques. This is because produced two children in their case we can- the media and otherthings are not giving due not do anything but those who are in the age attention to the rumours which are being group of 25-35 years should be motivated. If spread like due to vasactomy impotency will they adopt one member family norm then be there." About contraceptives, there are some increment should be given to them so so many adverse comments, coming in the that they can motivate other people. foreign journals. There is an Ayurvedic contraceptive. The Ayurvedic medicines Further I would like to say that the may not cure, but they do not do any harm budget provision should be increased. I am like creating side-effects. Therefore, my telling this because all our schemes are suggestion is that 'from each village, prefera- being monitored by the State Governments. bly, with a population of 2000 a minimum of There should be provision of dis-incentive to four agents should be appointed and they those State Governments who take more must motivate people. Out of four two at over-draft from the Reserve Bank but do not least should be women. fulfil the target fixed by the Family Welfare Department of Government of lndia.. Then, for doing family planning work, the village guides who were brought about As far as old age is concerned people unnecessarily by Shri Raj Narain should be want a son should be there for old-age done away with and in their place. persons security. So until and unless old age pension 483 Rllsi. Re. MsasUfBS MARCH 31, 1989 Population 484 to Control Explosion

[Dr. Krupasindhu Bhoij pressure could he or she use to change the attitude towards such decisions; he or ..... is given to all by adopting the formula which understands the taboos and customs of the have been adopted in China, etc. things will different communities in the village; what is not improve. the eoonomic situation of the people of the community. The rationale and objective 01 Another thing is that bachelors do not the Community-Based Approach is to in- produce children. In the present system crease the acceptance of family planning there is no incentive being given to the services; to eliminate the time gap in the bachelors. Some incentive should be given suppfy of contraceptives; to remove cultural to them in the form of ration, etc. In allopathic and social barriers; not to pressurise but to system of medicine the success rate for motivate the eligible couples for sterilisa- recanalisation of vas·deferens and fellopian tions like vasectomy and tubectomy. Both tubes here is 30 per cent and in western are very popular throughout the country but countries it is eighty percent. More doctors vasectomy to a less extent. I want to say that should be trained. In this context my other till now the status of women has not been suggestions are involvement of non-govern- increased. The last census says that out of mental and voluntary organisations. Some 50 lakhs cases, 40 lakhs were tubedomy voluntary organisations in the name of doing cases and 10 lakhs were vasectomy cases. so many things are taking lot of money from Women have been suppressed and ex- the Central Government. Some target ploited. This approach should be changed. should be fixed for the voluntary organisa- Motivation and other things should be done tions also. Now about 300 voluntary organ- in a phased manner. isations are engaged in this work. They are: Family Planning Foundation of India; Family Regarding the implementation of the Planning Association of India; Christian scheme, Government of India may not take Medical Association of India; Rotary and any legislative measures immediately, they Lions clubs; Trade Unions; Chambers of must at least try to take some steps through Commerce, etc. All these voluntary organ- the National Institute of Health and Family isations ask for help from the Government Welfare, New Delhi which is the technical but they must be asked to fulfil some target. research institute for the Ministry of Health Research work is aiso very low in India. I and Family Welfare inthecountry.ltcouldbe have prepared a separate note on this which pre-tested in anyone of the states of Bihar, I will give separately. We have got are· Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Uttar search institute which should be tried in U.P., Pradesh, called by Bose ·BIMARU Bihar and other States because there popu- STATES'. If the results are found to be lation explosion is more than any other encouraging, then implement in the whole place. Women education is better in Kerala country. and, as such, the results there are better. Regarding the infant and child survival, 16.00 hrs. we have not still improved in this. Our goal by 2000 A.D. should be 21 per thousand births About the Community-Based Approach and 9 per thousand deaths. But it is still less to family planning, the local person involved now. In other countries. the death rate has knows much more than the outside health come down. In India 76 per cent of the workers as to who is the most influential population live in the villages and 40 per cent member in the decision-making process in of the population are below the poverty line. the family; how are family and kinship rela- We have adopted increase of marriage age tionships sustained and their significances for men and women but 48 per cent of the and strengths according to the categories in population have not yet adopted this. Only a the familylkinlsocial groups; who is the legislation witt not help to solve the problem. decision-maker in the family and what social We have to think in that context. I would urge RtMI. Reo Jleasures CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Population 481 bConttol Explosion upon the Deputy Speaker and all Members tion growth rate by the tum of who are sitting here that irrespective of caste the century.- and religion. India can achieve much in this field. tn 1976-77. when we could shuilise 80 Mr. Shankar Lal, are you moving lakhs of people. now why can't we sterilise your amendment? one crore d aligble couples per year? This should be our determination so that we can SHRI SHANKAR LAL (Pali) I beg to reach our goal by 2000 A.D. by decreasing move: the population. Again. your benevolence and magnanimity has given me time and I That in the resolution. will end by saying a slogan. (i) omit" (ii) evolve a national Ganga shatudra Yamuna dinadhya consensus for acceptance of Yasyav Prashutip Pariyavayante one child per couple norm by Yuvram 5ita Charam Prasoota the people-. Samaypiyo Bharat Bhavya Desha omit "(vi) set up a National MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Motion Population Commis.sion to moved: suggest measures to achieve the target of zero per ..",is House notes with grave con- cent population growth rate cern the population explosion in by the turn of the century: the country which has thwarted all development efforts and urges (iii) add at the end- upon the Government to take inter alia the following measures for (vii) enact a uniform law for improving the quality of life of the all citizens, without any people: diSCrimination of caste, creed or religion. for (i) recognise the family welfare adoption of family plan- programme as a natiOnal imperative; ning programme prescribing a limit of two (ii) evolve a national consensus childrEtn per couple-. for acceptance of one child per couple norm by the MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : Shri V.C. people; Jain ...

(iii) raise the level of education of SHRI SHANKAR LAL : Sir, I am on a women; point of order. I would like to know whether I will be given a chance to speak. (iv) provide adequate health care to women and children; MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes, I witt call you later on but not now. (v) lay down a uniform civil code for aU citizens especially with SHRI SYED SHAHABUDDIN (Kishan- regard to marriage and fam- ganj): Sir, I beg to move: ily welfare; and That in the resolution, (vi) set up National Population Commission to suggest omit" (v) lay down a uniform civil code measures to achieve the tar- for all citizens especially with regard to get of zero per cent popula- marriage and family welfare;" 487 R9SI. Re. Measures MARCH 31,1989 Population 488 to Control Explosion

MR. DEPlJ1Y-SPEAKER: Shri V.C. [English] Jain to speak now. to achieve the target of zero per cent [ Translation] population growth rate by the turn of the century. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN (Sarmer): Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, the reso- [ Translation) lution moved by hon. Or. Shoi is in the interest of the country. The Government has also taken concrete steps in transforming The way we are making progress we the Family Planning Programme into a na- cannot achieve our target in this way. It is tional programme but this programme very essential to extend this educational should be implemented in the manner by programme. This programme has been Vrtry which the Cooperation of the people is re- successful in Kerala. It has not been suc- ceived. We have enacted several social cessful in my constituency and the entire legislations but as the people were not coop- Rajasthan. In my constituency 3 per cent erative they could not be implemented. If women are educated and in district Barmer such laws are prefared which arEt not posible the literacy percentage is 12. The percent- to be implemented, it will be our failure. age of literacy in Rajasthan as a whole is 24 Hitherto unanimity has not reached among and among women it is 12. Until and unless our political parties as to what policy should more and more women are covered under be adopted to check population growth. As the literacy programme, the family planning regards the programmes which are operat- programme cannot be successful. More ing in the rural areas and districts, the repre- emphasis should be laid on prima'ry educa- sentatives of the people such as the Sar- tion. The requirement of primary schools panch, the Pradhans the Pramukhs, the must be met in very nook and corner of the M.l.As, the M.Ps etc. take little interest in country. Every child keen to study must be their implementation. It is only the Govern- provided facilities therefore. The State ment officials which are taking considerable Governments as well as the Central Govern- interest in this matter. If the said representa- ment should take suitable steps in this re- tives of the people also take necessary inter- gard. It should be ensured that there is a est in it, the Family Planning Programme school for every child within a radius of not could have achieved much success, These more than one or two kilometres throughout programmes are presented before the Pan- the country. Last year as many as 3000 chayat Samiti and the Zila Parishad but the primary schools were opened in my state representatives of the people do not have Rajasthan also. But they were as good as the courage to carry the Family Planning not opened since no teachers were posted Programme forward. The need of the hour is thefe. When these people want to learn, that all political parties should sit together they must be provided the opportunity. If and evolve some agreed formula and legal they are not provided educational opportu- shape can be given to it. If a legislation is nity. how will you be able to make them made but could not be implemeated and it understand the implications of family plan- was opposed by others as ~ happened in ning. As per the norms fixed by the centre 19n. it will also fail to serve any plilrpose as there should a sub-centre at all places hav- it happened in 1977. Therefore no such ing a population of 3000. Sub-Centres, First steps should be taken, the results of which Aid 'posts, primary health centres, referal are dangerous. The people are not prepared hospitals and big hospitals should be for it as yet. In order to encourage the public opened in hilly and desert areas. Where to adopt more and more family planning, the dispensar;es have been opened. doctors do best coarse would be to persuade the repre- not go there. If two doctors are posted, only sentatives of the people to take interest in it. one doctor reports for duty or even one The q\Jestion is that our target is:- doctor is not there, ResI. Re. AfeasUNS CHAITRA 10.1911 (SAKA) Population 490 b Control Explosion

Posts of doctors. compounders and priced literature should be produced and A.N.Ms. should be fiHed at all the places. made available in rural areas also so that Doctors etc. are unwimng to accept postings there is change of mind and thinking in which in hilly, desert and trbat areas. Special al- we have failed so far. It is one of our weak lowances should be granted in such areas. points. We should make efforts in this direc- Arrangements should be made to provide tion. Fo,~ of law is not going to have desired residential accommodation to them. Then results. People have to be motivated only this programme can be successful. It is through pursuasion, logic and conviction. In also essential to post surgeons, well-versed the right earnest we should grant stipends to in laparascopy. in all primary health centres. girls, no matter even if the rate is Rs. 50 or They should have full knowledge of laparas- Rs. 100. but this facility must be extended. copy, tubectomy and vasectomy operations. Since people are not prepared to accept All these arrangements should be made at such a law, there is no need to enact it but the primary health centres otherwise huge democratic methods should be adopted to expenditure is incurred on organising spe- pursuade people to accept this programme. cial camps, first programme is drawn, the Every effort should be made to popularise collectors visits the place. Government and propagate this programme to every vehicles run from one place to another and individual through promotion of education then just 10 or 20 to 25 women turn up. This and extension of medical facilites. " we infructuous expenditure can be avoided if follow this policy. our programme will defi- arrangements for laparoscopy are made at nitely be successful. With these words I the primary health centres. Trained doctors support this resolution. should be posted to rural areas and they should be offered attractive salary in [English] comparison to their counterparts in the cities. They should also be paid special allow- DR. G. VIJAYA RAMA RAO (Siddipet): ances so that they have full involvement in Sir, my han. friend at the right point and right this programme. Now single child norm has time has come up with a resolution which been suggested. This philosophy cannot be includes sam e of the proposals to control the accepted in our country at present. We are population of our country. For the last about prepared to adopt two child norm. In our 50 years, the beginning of the post-inde- country person belonging to no religion will pendence era the population control has not be prepared to limit his family to just one been properly planned. Now India is the child, either a daughter or a son. It is, there- second most populous country in the world. fore, necessary to stick to the decision of India may be lacking in every aspect, lil limiting the size of a family to two children. every field, but only in the field of population The concept of small family is acceptable it has reached the second place in the whole and importance of family planning cannot be world. denied. In our country the population is growing in an alarming progression and The population problem cannot be there are religions which do not recognise solved or it just cannot be controlled from family planning. People think that children Delhi or the State capitals. I feel that by are the gift of God. It is , therefore, necessary making some legislation only you can not to make them understand and pursuade the control the population. The basic unit for fundamentalists to face the reality and see controlling population is the family which is in logic. We have made very little efforts in this the outlying rural areas. The rural people, the direction. We should promote and encour- families which are there, they are ignorant of age such literature which highlights the fact population control, of the problems coming that no religion, whether Christianity or Islam up due to a large population and how to prohibits adoption of family planning by its manage when more children are produced followers and therefore, they should take in a particular family. Unless the Govern- steps in this regard. For this purpose low ment takes corrective action at the basic 491 Rssl. Rs. Usasures MARCH 31. 1989 Population 492 to C' ltrot ExplosDn

[Or. G. Vijaya Rama RaoJ consciousness among the pubic. Uoreover. during the last forty years, the health facii- level. at the family level. unless we make ties in our country have improved. Because them concious about a limited family, popu- good health services. the life expectancy lation control cannot be achieVed. Like the has gone up in our country. Death Rate has national water policy you may make a legis- gone down. Mortality amongst the children lation and implement it • about the utilisation also has gone down. All these oontribute of water throughout the country, and thereby increase io population. According to 1981 you may utilise the water in a proper way . But Census, our population was only 68.Scrores a single individual cannot oontrol the water and in 1985. it crosseiJ 75 crores mark. Now policy, whereas population control is cer- it may be 90 acres or so. By 2000, the tainly dependant on individuals. It starts from population of our country will cross one the individuars controlling his family. There- hundred crores mark. If we do not go cortrol fore, each individual must become con- the population. there will be competition scious of it. Therefore, in order to reach that among the human beings for naturally avail- goal, the Government. the social organisa- able things in our country. Further, most of tions, the people, the public representatives the rural uneducated poople are being QX- all of them have to playa greater and greater ploited by the educated people. U we do not role. control the population, the educated people will exploit the uneducated people more. In rural areas particularly the people are Moreover. in rural areas. one particular mostly illiterate. They think that by undergo- section of the people do not want to P'l in for ing vasectomy they may get weakness or if family planning. They feel that getta.1g the a woman undergoes tubectomy she may children is God's gift. Because of this mis- become weak. or that if men go in for vasec- conception, they are going on increasing the tomy they may lose their potency, and so on. population. We must educate these people like that most of the people avoid family t: rough our media. In India and in other planning methods in the rural areas. So, the countries. there is a ceiling for everything. As people who get more burdened or who per the land ceiling, one cannot have more beoome little more conscious about popula- land. Similarly, we can have a legislation that tion they do so in spite of your incentives. But an individual cannot have more than two or the people are not voluntarily coming for- three children, Unless we make it compul- ward and they are not following the family sory, we may not be able to control the planning methods in our country. So, in order population. The present incentives are not to win over them you must make them fully attractive. We are giving just Rs. 150/- to a conscious of family planning. First of aU you man who undetgoes family planning must talk to the people. Most of the people, operation and As. 250/- to a woman who who are illiterates, they do not know what is undergoes family planning operation. After family planning. They ask why they should undergoing the operation, people have to go in for family planning. Unless a family is take rest tor the nearly thirty days or so. planned it cannot contribute to the national Because of this, they lose their income. development or participate in the economic Keeping that in view you must increase the development of the nation. Most of the incentives and attrad the viable people for people they do not know how to control their the family planning. At the same time, we families, how to maintain a family. Until they should educate people through our media reach the age of 60 or 70 or 50 they do not We should canvass more vigorously through realise the need for family planning, they our media for the family planning so that only think of their large famiJy. This is so atl~ast in future we can have a quality life a mostly in the rural areas. healthy India and a healthy economy.

We must educate people through the J thank you v~ry much for giving me this media. AIR, 1V and other media, and create opportunity. ResI. Re. Measures CHAITRA 10. 1911 {SAKA> Population .flU ~ConItoI Expbsion

[ TlanslMDnJ norm wiD never be accepted. If we inpose this one child norm then the father of the • DR. PHUlRENU GUHA (Contai) : Mr. female child wiD have to face many difficul- Deputy Speaker, Sir, at the very outset I wiD ties and miseries. Hence I suggest that we like to thank Dr. Krupa Sindhu Bhoi for bring- should think of 2 children per couple, notonly ing forth this important resolution before this one child. The third point he has raised about House and thereby providing us with an education of girls and women. Here I am opportunitY, to discuss they very important ashamed to admit that our women are lag- and serious subject. ging far behind in the field of education. The number of educated women is very very Sir. ours is the first country in the world small. Our government has of course allot- which adopted family planning as an official ted funds for women's education and adult programme. But it is a matter of regret that as education and is thinking of taking up yet we have not been able to achieve what women's educational programmes through we desired and aimed at. That is why we various organisations. Here I will suggest shall have to make our family planning pro- that in the text books for aduh education, the grammes more extensive and shall have to subject of family planning must be included think of means to implement them much in the form of interesting stories. Hwe advo- more effectively. I will not go into extensive cate family planning in the books in a cut and details as that will require a long time. I will dried manner, then they will not be aa:ept- only say that it is necessary to take up more able. Hence we should preach them through extensive and effedive programmes in this interesting stories. respect. In the second point of his resolution, Dr. BOOi has talked about evolving a national The fourth point of the resolution consciousness in this matter. Here I will say speaks about health care to women. Sir, I am with sorrow and shame that national con- ashamed to say that although the Govern- sciousness and oonsensus is not possible ment has done many things for the improve- because most of our people are illiterate. ment of health care. yet in many dispensa- There are schools in the villages but very few ries in the villages medicines are not avail- children go to those schools. The reason for able-, Doctors are not available and com- this is mainly economic. There is want of pounders are not available. Looking to the consciousness no doubt. but the main rea- primary heahh centres, we are reduced to son is poverty. We shall have to think about tears. Nothing is available there. When the this aspect also. In this connection I will say Prime Minister came to our State sometime that in our country 'creches' have been back, he visited some places, He saw for started for infants and children. Now these himself the disgraceful conditions. It was 'creches' must be opened extensively all published in the newspapers also. Such over the country. In thse 'creches' the grow- pitiable conditions do not exist in West ing children will be taught what they should Bengal alone. many other States are suffer- do when they grow up and the parents will ing from,simiJar misfortune. The benefit of also learn the ben~its of education for their the dispensaries and health centres are not children. The immediate economic reasons reaching all the people in the rural areas. will not appear so important to them com- Here I will like to point out to the Government pared to the future benefits of proper educa- that in our country there are many medicinal tion for their children. herbs. roots. leaves etc. Many ordinary diseases can be cured by their use. Sir. from my Ourfriend has mentioned about accep- experience I am sa~ing that if vocational lance of the norm of one child per couple. Sir. training in Ayurvedictreatment is imparted to our country consists mainly of villages. I do the vmage women. then lhf'" can treat many not believe that the villagers will accept this diseases in the primary stages. I do not like 'one child per ooupJe' norm. ~;aJIy if that to take a long time on this. I will submit to our one child happens to be a female, than this Health Ministry thc.. if they want to learn more -Translation of the speech originally c:4elivered in Bengali. 495 Rssi. lUI. Measures MARCH 31.1989 Population 496 to Control Explosion [Or. Phulrenu Guha] chitdren are limited. Whereas in an uneducated and poor family the number of children or want to do something on this aspect. then is much larger. They suffer from various I can make their contact with various volun- prejudices and superstit;cms. Many of them tary organisations who are engaged in this think that the use of various family planning noble task. I can also personally help them methods are sinful. Hthey indulge in family with whatever little experience I have in this planning, their work will be adversely af- matter. fected. They are of the view that a larger number of children will assist them in t~,eir In the fifth point. mention has been work and Ii\lelihood. Many of them refuse to made of a uniform civil code. Sir, even before urder-fand that a smaller number of healthy independence when we carried out Wari children are more useful for the betterment Andolons' (Women's' Ag~ations), we t'lad of the famIly. ! have discussed this matter been demanding a civil code. with many village women. They say 'how can we carry on with less than 4 or 5 children. Sir, here I recall those days with pride What Will happen if 2 or 3 of them die? Death when I participated in the agi1at1ons and among them is quite common. Therefore movements launched in this connectIOn by spread of educatIOn among the village the great and illustrious daughters of India women is very necessary. We shall have to like Sarojini Naidu, Vijayalaxmi Pandit, go allout to generate consciousness among Kamaladevi Chottopadhay, AMrit Kaur, them about this problem. Family planning Hansa Mehta and many others. I had the programmes should be chalked out accord- good fortune of working with them as a ingly. We should all work together jointly to humble workers. We still believe in that and implement these programmes effectively even today we launch such agitations. twill and to make them a success. urge upon the Government to pay special attention to this and to lay down a uniform [English] civil code at the earliest possible. SHRI SYED SHAHABUDIN (Kishan- The sixth and last point is about setting ganj) Mr. Deputy-Speaker. Sir, when I look up a National Population Commission. Here at the contemporary world scene and par- I have to say that the terms of r6~erence of ticularly when I focus my attention on our this Commission should be laId down in own region, our own country, I find there is a greater detail. It is r,ecessary to set up such race between natural resources and human a Commic;sion. This is because we are population and the human race is losing this constantly falling behind our family planning race, despite the progress that we have targets. We are spending a lot of money on made in man's control over his environment, family planning bl.1 if we visit a slum area man's conquest of productive forces. man's what do we see? We see that innumerable adoption of science and technology. And children are moving about. H we visit a vil- there, Sir, the need for a control on popula- lage. we find countless number 01 children. tion in order ,0 secure for all human beings, Specially if we go to a little interior in a jeep, a minimum measure of progress and devel- numberless kids run behind the jeep. We are opment, a minimum standard of living, a fife afraid of driving the jeep Jest somebody gets of dignity, cannot be over-emphasised. But runover. H we cannot put a check on this while we are so clear about the end, I think, population explosion then all our develop- we lack clarity about the means to achieve ment efforts will go in vain. Nobody will this end. If our objective is to control popula- derive any benefit from them. We shall have tion rise in order to secure a better life for to educate the families about the desirability man, we cannot possibly adopt means and benefits of (amily planning. h is our which go against his basic dignity. If our common experience that in an educated and objective is to meet the essential needs of economiCally well otf family, the number of man to fulfil minimum requirement which 497 Rest. Re. Measures CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) Population 498 10 Control Expbsion would enab18 himto lead a life of dignity, then relationship between a sexual intercource we cannot adopt methods such as wars, and the conception of a chikJ. This informa- epidemic, famine, etc. which were some tion has to be brought home and therefore, time in the past adopted as measures of here also the State can play a meaningful State policy in order perhaps to mntral the role in extending the area of information and growth of population. We reject those meas- making the basic information available to all ures. Now. we are in an era where we think the couples of a particular age. that a State can do everything and therefore our emphasis has been on what the State Sir, it has also been established that to can do in this regard. I submit Mr. Deputy- the extent that we raise the level of education Speaker that even the State cannot make an we are able to bring down the rate of popu- absolute or limitless intervention in this par- lation growth. But what ;s still more important ticular phenomenon. Whatever the State is that there is a direct co-relationship be- dscides to do, whatever the State proposes tween the standard of living and the level of to do must be subject to the voluntary will of socia-economic development and the num- the people. Therefore, to my mind, the ques- ber of children per family. Sir, it is not auto- tion of population control or population limi- matic that responsible parents want to give tation is primarily a moral question which has as good a life, if not a better life, to their to be handled with the human dignity as- progeny than what they have themselves pects in view. been able to have, and therefore, we find that in the upper strata of society where there Sir, in India or in any under-developed is a greater certainty that the children shall society or any developing country, the es- live also, shall mature, shall'i'eceive the right sential need to is build up a measure of education, there is also a desire that in order confidence among the people. We have to to give them the best that they are entitled to, give them the hope that infants shall not die we have to limit the number of people. Sir, prematurely. The other day we had a discus- there is of course a question of lifestyle sion in this House and we found that the which goes on changing from society to infant mortality rate was extremely high. society. It has been said that perhaps in the Well, we have had a number of statistical rural areas without electricity the rate of analyses in various parts of the country and population growth is higher and it can be it has been established that in regions or in brought down ~ we simply introduce electric- areas and in localities where we have been ity because once we introduce electricity, we able to upgrade the quality of child welfare change the entire hfe pattern of society. You upgrade the quality of family welfare of give people many more things to live for. maternity welf are, in order to give the people Therefore, Sir, all these questions you have the hope that the children who are born shall got to take. into account when you think of not die prematurely, we have been able to measures which will help us to attain the bring down the desirE: of the people to have objective. more children and therefore, the popula~ion growth rate. So, to some extent it is a ques- The primary question, therefore, in our tion of building up the right psychology country is the question of economic develop- through the right intervention by the Govern- ment and included in that question is also the ment in the field of welfare through both question of disparity in the level of develop- officially sponsored and ~oluntary program- ment. If we are able to bring the minimum mes. level of development for every human being and if we are able to reduce the disparities Secondly, it is the question of informa- that still persist in our society between section. There are still large groups of people in tion and section, between region and region, our country who. because of illiteracy, do not between class and class, I am sure that the quite understand the relationship, many' of rate of population growth can be brought them. Jcan assure you, do not even know the down to a uniform low. 481 Real.Re.~ MARCH 31.1989 Popdatign 500 ., ConttoI &pIasion

(Sh. Syed Shahabucf.... ] fertilisation." a human females if you reduce the possibility, you reduce the rate of popu- In any case we have got to understand lation growth. From a scientifIC point of view. that in a democr.:y there is no place for that is the question of reducing the effective coercion and therefore. coercive methods period of fertilisation of a couple during a _out of mUlt. Even if they are sanctiflaid by period when they are capable of producing a laws, Yes, you can have incentives in the child. Now, they have been. of rourse. trying overal interest of society. but incentives are this in many scientific ways- whether you one thing, penalties are quite another. Can raise the age of marriage or whether you we ever conceive of a society in which we adopt chemical methods or mechanical can say that the third child should be put to methods or surgical methods. Whateveryou death, or in the case of therd pregnancy, the do, essentially what you are doing is to mother shaH be subject to a compulsory reduce the effective period of fertilisation. abortion. Are we in favour of foeticide? Can we bring our moral fbre to accept that level Now, I would like to point out to you the of coercion? No. we cannot. Therefore, reasons for my amendment and I am not whatever we do, we should keep in view that here to talk about why uniform civil code is the coercion should not be the name of the necessary or why uniform civil code is not game. Whatever we decide, whatever in- necessary. because at a different place and centives we give. we must take into account, in a different situation, we can argue that our deep sense of moral values. our tradi- point. My basic point is, that unifoWl civil tional value system, our cultural ethos and. if code is totally irrelevant to this question of I may say so, our religions convictions. In population growth. Evan if my hon. col- any case, laws cannot change the society. league who moved the Resolution had the W. have sa., that in the case of a number question of polygamy in his mind, my sub- 01 Pf-ces of social legislation that we have mission to him, Mr. Deputy-Speaker, is that enacted in our country, some-times those polygamy as an institution, is irrelevant, sci- legislations are being reduced to merely entifically irrelevant to the rate of popUlation pieces of paper. They are not implemented. growth. nis because, the effective numbers For .xam~e, one effective way of controlling of females in a given society are decided on the growth of population would have been a the basis of natural prinCiples. That is not in limitation or. upgrading of the age of mar- the hands of human beings. Then, given the riage. We passed a law on child marriage. stock of females, it does not matter who the We know that the law has proved to be a fertilising agent is. Male's role in this process dead letter. Millions and millions of children of fertilisation is extremely limited. It is the today in India are stin being married in vari- female who conceives a child. It is the female ous places. Therefore. I am only giving an who carries the child. It is the female who example, if you enact a law which goes gives birth to a child and irrespective of who against the basic moral and traditional fibre the fertilising agent is, irrespective of of society, without upgrading the level of whether the fertilising agent is one man the consciousness, without upgrading the level others different, irrespective of whether the of education, the level of development, then same fertilising agent fertilises more than these laws only adom Statute Books by one fertilisation objects, the population themselves. Whatever be the police power growth will be exactly the same. Theretore, of state in the hands of my friends, Mr. to my mind this part of the Resolution is Sontosh Mohan Dev, he cannot change the totally irrelevant to the qu~stion of popula- living pattern of the society. tion growth, hom the purely scientific point of view. If my hon. friend has only this question I have also given an amendment here to of pofigamy in mind. My basic submission to \his resolution. What are we essentiaUv you is whether one male marries four fe- aiming at? From ~ purely scientific point of males or ten females or hundred females. VleW, it you can reduce the period of effective that will only deprive the other males at tneir 501 RssL Re. Measures CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Population 502 ~Conttol Explosbn due share of females.• does not change the point out that the inclusion d this particular possDlily of fertilisatiof\ and. therefore, the Clause in this resolution takes away and in a effective level of fertilisation or the rate of sense produces a negative reaction. as far gtOWlh of population in any sense. That is as the basic objedive of having a uniform why, I have objected to this part and I have rate of development and winning this race of submitted this amendment quite apart from resources against numbers in India goes. other philosophical and other questions in- We must have an effective programme of volved. family planning and of population limitation so that our resources are not oLl1stripped and SHRI G.M. BANATWAllA: Polygamy we can easily ensure a life of dignity and reduces the growth rate. meet the minimum basic needs of all our citizens and all our people. With these SHRI SYEO SHAHABUOOIN : That words, I present my amendment to the also is a scientific fact. In a given family • House for acceptance and I request the hone which circumscribes more than one female. Mover to accept the amendment in the spirh then the natural impulse is to r&duce the that I have presented it. average number of children per female because of the burden of bearing them 17_00 hrs. which lies upon the same unit. Therefore, psychologically it has been established that SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH (Inner Ma· in fad polygamy might affect in a nagative nipur): I would like to make a few observa· direction the rate of population growth. But I tions in support of this resolution moved by am not here to propound or plead or propa- the hone Member. Dr. Krupasindhu Bhoi. gate for polygamy. My basic point is that This is not a new subject. We have dis- uniform civil code is totally irrelevant In this cussed this subject often. Last year, in the resolution. h does not affect the question of month of May, if my memory serves me right. population growth. In any case, the inclusion this has been discussed under Rule 193 and of this particular Clause in this resolution, to we had raised more or less Similar points. my mind, becomes counter-productive But thiS Resolution moved by Dr. Bhoi today because it creates a suspicion that it has got has made a few suggestions particularly on certain political motivation, that it is directed the norm for every family to be adopted that against a particular group which has been one family, a couple, should have one child. resisting the idea of uniform civil code for one reason or the other. Whatever the reason, I Many sahent points have been made. am not going into validity of the reasons. The first point that I would like to make in support of the measures that have been 16.59 hrs. suggested is that I dQ not know with what courage of conViction, we are carrying out [SHRI N. VENKATA RATNAM in the this programme. It includes those of us who Chait} are taking part in such a debate. including those who sit an Ministers, as officers imple- But the fact is that there is a section of people menting different programm&s relating to the in this country who are unlike Dr. Ambedkar weHare of the people. Laws have been made who was the drafter of the Constitution and in connecHon with the control at popu\a\K>n. who had pleaded at the time the Constitu\\on the growth 0\ popu\a\\on. ~td,ng \0 an was written that a State shou\d endeavour in estimate based on some reading at the 'n- that direction but the State shall be mad if dian situation by a foreign expert. the wond they tried to enforce it against the will of the will be having, after some years, a sub- people. A State may have the power but a human community which will not be able to State must be prudent in exercising that stand on its own legs in any sense. People power. He said that specifically in relation to will not be able to buy their cloth. purchase this idea of a uniform civil code. 'would only their own food and just it would not be 503 Rest R4t. Measures MARCH 31.1989 Population 504 10 Control Explosion

(Sh. N. Tombi Singh] matter. We have been ridiculing countries tike China. We were thinking that that being possble for them to earn their own liveli- a vast country with vast population, a certain hood. According to that reading. 37 per cent massacre of population in the event of a war, of our population in the country today is in endless 24 hour war, porennial war wit! wipe that level. That means, this 37 per cent of the out this population. According to the present population is not in a position to purchase its rate, China has just been able to control itself own food, to make its own food and earn its this population problem. After some time the own livelihood. Hthis is a hint. then the expert population of China itself will be less than must be hinting that after some years this that of India. So this shows the amount of sub-hum~n community in India will not able will-power, the amount of national determi- to exist by itseH. This is unfortunate. But we nation that has been prevalent in a county are not going to accept that with so much of like China It is appreciable. This is very pessimism. Wedo not like to accept that kind appreciable and this is very admirable. but of a reading. But we would like to make a can we think of that? I think, we cannot reasoned reading of that pessimism in our imitate China because we have so many country. If we look back to our past, soon small small oommunities, different prov- after the framing of the Constitution, adop- inces in their social and traditional inhibition. tion of the Constitution in 1951. we had Today, we talk or family planing and the adopted a policy of our Family Planning population explosion. My hon. friend Shri when some other developed countries have Shahabuddin has just given a brilliant not even dreamt of adopting Family Plan- speech. But then we through he would make ning policy. But we did that. In spite of that, his speech mentioning about the targets. But the growth in the population decade by what has been the target? What has been decade is not at all stopping. It spite of that, the objective? I was trying to listen to him as the growth in the population decade by he makes very good speeches. I was just decade is not at all stopping. It is not being trying to get the target on which he was stopped. This only indicates that we have not talking. But the target was missing. He was been able to drive home the matter. But hovering around somewhere else. I do not where is the home? This concerns us. know what was the objective of that speech itself. This indicates that there are communi- Sir, India is a country with ancient tradi- ties, there are religious groups who still feel tion. It is not a new human race or new that they are in minority, they are still in a civilization. It is an old civilization With so weaker positions so far as manpower is many inhabitants with so many inhibitions. In concerned. Whatever happens at the legal this connection I would like to say that the level, whatever happens at the intellectual programme for the population education level about family planning or population should be given priority. In 1980, about nine growth, they, still in their sub-conscience, years back from today, a Working Group are of the opinion that they should have more recommended that this family welfare pro- children. We cannot stop them. gramme should be an integral part of the general developmental programme. I think SHRI G. M. BANATWALA: Mere hallu- theoretically we have accepted that proposi- cination . . tion. We do not say that we have not done anything. Even the hon. Prime Minister in his SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH: I am speaking new 20 Point Programme and the former from my experience. I would like to invite Prime Minister Smt. Indira Gandhi in her your attention to your own mention that po- Programme have given due priority for this. lygamy reduces population. I do not know The taste at tne pudding is in the eating. We whether you have been suffering from any do not know how much theories, how much hallUCination, because facts do not prove taws will be required. We do now know how that contention. Polygamy naturally has much discussions we shalt continue in this increased population. But you and your 505 Res/. Re. AfedsUleS CHAITRA 10,1911 (SAKA) Population S06 *,ContmI Explosion friend Shri Shahabuddin have said in very population education. The working group wei words about this. I should say that it was itself has mentioned that it is going very slow. only the jugglary of words. We have also I should say that the reading they have made seen the life and society as you have seen. is only theoretical so far. In order to increase it to the practical level, we have to take up Now I come to my part of the country some other means. where there are 'sman tribal communities. I do not know what is actually our social and For instance we should like to introduce national objective. For instance, some com- contraceptive methods or termination of munities just want to hear their language in pregnancy, etc. Those who are not legally the Aif India Radio. You just ask about their married, we are not concerned. But we are population. There is a tendency particularly concerned with those who are legally mar- among the Nan Nagas, they are know as a ried. Those who are not legally married. we Koki group, they just have the habit of raising can stop them producing illegitimate chil- the small village, small communities. Still, t dren. There are nursing homes, hospitals. do not support them nor can I 5lop them private clinics, etc. practising termination of because it is a fact. How can we have any pregnancies. ThE:~' are giving the benefit to solution for such a situation? It is for us to mostly those who are not married. My infor- suggest solution and for us to make laws and mation is unconfirmed; this may be true also. implement them properly. I am giving this This is good in a way because we are not example forthe consideration of the Go"dr~· increasing the illegitimate children. But then, ment. There are communities who always those who are married do not care because like to increase their manpower. They be- they are married and their children will be lieve that by raising their manpower from legitimate children. So now Ihe attack should 5 000 to 6,000 and so on, they will be able to be on the population explosion by married get their rights. This has to be removed. It is couples. This attack, as my friend sug- for the Government to remove this kind of gested, should not be by penalties or by fear and apprehension that just because you punishment; but by educational methods, by are below one million mark you will miss that convincing them and by bringing them opportunity. We have to attack this problem round. In order to do this, the State Govern- through so many channels of our education ments can be taken into confidence; but the and media and so many programmes. So far State Govt'rnments are also helpless. They as Government of India is concerned, they have their own Situations and these are have used their media through Doordarshan beyond the normal control. and All India RadiO and others. After the report received from the working group on SOlin I inhibitions and religious inhibi- population growth, what action has the tions die t ':';! ,lnd we cannot discuss them Government taken? Now everybody is for openly. III o:Jer to remove them and make belling the cat. But who is to bell the cat? We an entry into this difficult area, the only way are all in the likeness of rates-each one is to find people to work with a courage of individually and collectively interested in conviction. beIJing the cat; but who is going to bell the cat? Because everybody is afraid. In lhe beginning, I said, what is the conviction of those of us who are public Somebody was suggesting that this is a representatives like Assembly Members very sensitive issue and should we discuss and Members of Parliament. The problem is it in the election year. Election means wel- the courage of conviction with which the fare for the people and the control of popu la- officers work in this field. We leave this to the tion is also for the welfare of the people. Why doctors to explain and propagate as if they should we be apologetic and fight say about are t?e only agents of social will. They are it? Wtt should be more practical about it. The technicians and they are experts in their only point I would like to make is about the fields; but we cannot ensure political will with ·507 ResL Re. Masur_ MARCH 31.1989 Population 508 10 ContfDI Explosion

[Sh. N. Tombi Singh] question of West Bengal. Keraia or Gujarat. ~ concerns the whole country. I would 1M to them. As for the expert opinion and technical inform the House that Rajasthan, Uttar opinion we can depend on them. But leaving Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh are the this totham alone is not sufficient. We should states where the population is growing very iJVOlve more of other professions and other rapidly. But Kerala. Karnataka. Punjab, social workers who can work with conviction Mizoram, Nagaland. Tripura and West 'Ben- to go into this problem deeper through many gal are the states where the State Govern- channels of opinion. Then only can we ex- ments have performed very win in imple- pect some good results. I do not like to take menting the family planning programme and more time of the House and in the end I they took effective steps to check population would say that the national policy should growth. All these States have made a posi- stop insisting on strength of popul~ion of tive contribution in achieving the family plan- communities and States for fixing certain ning targets. On the other hand Rajasthan. privileges and rights. Then the communities Bihar, Madhya Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh will be encouraged in their sub-conscious have taken no effective measures. I would mind to produce more and more of man- like to cite the example of countries like power. China, Japan, who successfully exercised population control after the second world With these few words I thank you for the war.lfeel that this problem cannot be solved time you have given to me and I support the by merely passing laws. There are already measure which has been suggested in this good number of laws in our country, but Resolution. these are not being implemented properly. As such mere law is not enough. This growth KUMARI MAMATA BANERJEE sends the prices spiralling in our oountry. (Jadavpur): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I would like to The State Governments are not satisfied congratulate Dr. Krupasindhu Bhoi who by with the quota of various commodities removing this resolution has focussed the at- leased by the centre because the population tention of the House on thiS vital issue and registers increase beyond their expectation provided us an opportunity to participate in and thus they are unable to provide food to the debate on it. Hthe growth of population in all the people. With the rise in population a country is checked, it can advance and many un-employed youths in our country do make economic progress in a far better way. not get employment. I feel that until and So first of all we have to see as how to check unless effective steps are taken to contain the pace at which the population is growing. population, our problems will go on multiply- It has led to an alarming situation. The fig- ing. To-day a situation has come where the ures indicate that population of this country human population is growing like the popu- is increasing by 17 million every year, which lation of goats and dogs. This is creating an is more than the total populatIOn of Australia. alarming situation. Two years back diar- It was India, where famity planning was rohorea spread in Delhi and claimed 600 introduced first but still we have not been lives. It is not a happy situation for us. It is a able to solve this problem. No effective matter of regret, a matter of shame. Popula- measures have been tal

MR. CHAIRMAN: So. it is Ihe COI_ .. sus of the House to extend the time tor'" mora conInW8rSy on • now and I would disalssion by two hours. request him t) giva incentives for this. I would not ..110 talc of any map incentives SEVERAL HON. MEUBERS: Yes, Sir. which rnigfj craala a serious oonfusion. Sa aides. ourhon. friends. Shri Shahabuddin MR. CHAIRMAN: So. the time is ex- Md Shri BanalwaIa wiI also be confused i I tended bv another two hours. Shri V. Sobha- ask for big incentives. I would not Ike to nadreeswara Rao. contuse them. But , would Ic. to say that people who accepI the Government policy SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA on famly pIanrWlg should be encouraged by RAO (Vijayawada): Mr. Chairman. Sir. first way of pmmotion and incentives. But the 01 an Ithank you forgiVing me the opportunity people. whether he is a Minister, an M.P .• an to speak. I congratulate Dr. Bho~ my leaRled M.LA. a leader of opposition or an Govern- friend for having moved this very important ment official. who do not accept the Govern- Private Member Resolution. which is very ment policy should not be given any incen- vital for the development of the country. tive. II you do not take a proper stand, you CCWlnot control the population. Hthe popula- Sir, in his opening remarb he talked tion is not controIed. the future generation of about the urgency and importance of family the oountry cannot be healthy. There should planning in the population control so as to be stability in the country's economY. the provide better socio-economic conditions to country should develop. our un-.employed the vast millions of people of our countty. people should get employment., they should Some of the Hon. Members who have pre- not starve on the roads and our factory ceded me have already given very valuable workers should not starve. All these things suggestions. I will not repeat what they have are in the interest of our future generation. said but I would certainly like to add a few This is possble only if the population in the more suggestions. Wrth its present rate of country is controHed. population growth, our country is going to be the most populous country in the entire I request you to aa:ept aU the good world. Already, we are nearly 83 crores and Sllgg8StDas. no matter whether they come by the end of 2001, our country is going to from the opposition party. the rufing party or have a population of 98.6crores. BV the year ..yoneelse • would not be proper to believe 2050, our country's population is estimated 1hat only the political leaders possess a to aoss a figure of 159 crores, whereas that healthy mind. There' are a large number of of China which is the most populous country people in the country who do not belong to may have a population of around 155 crores .. political party and are very britliant only. Most probably, bV 2040 itself. our people. Thair number is much more in our country is going to become the most p0pu- country. You ask for their suggestions and lous country in the entire world. This is racommendation. but somehow control the mainly because of the population growth in growth of population. our country. though some fall in the death rate also contributed to this increase in 1Engfsh) population. The death rate which was 27.4 per thousand between 1941-51 has come MFl CHAIRMAN: The time allotted for down to 12.5 per thousand by 1981. No this is over but there are more speakers who doubt, birth rate also came down from 41 per want to speak. thousand in 1966 to 33 per thousand in the Eighties. SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO(V"pyawada): Sir, you extend the time Sir. the main concern of the G0vern- alleast by two hours. ment as weH as the well-thinking persons is 513 AlII. He. Measures CHAITRA 10, 1911 (SAKA) I'opu&;tIi)n 514 A:JClnIoI ExpbsDn thai while India has 15 par cenlof theworld's the reigious leaders. In Russia aIso.1here is pape~. allhese people have to be ac- considerable number of Ul$Iim population c:ommodated in ~ 2..4 per cent of the and religious minorities population. In China. worId"s land area This is OUr country's gao- there is a considerable number of religious graphical limitation as far as area is oon- minorities popuIaOOn. In these countries cemed. In spite of the best eftorts of the also. 1hey have succeeded in wiming the Central and State Governments as afso of support of the refigious leaders. Unfortu- 1ha Union TerriIories, India's birth rate is sliD nately. in our CX)untry it is not so. The oIher . 32 perthousand, while China's is only 20 per day in reply to one of my suppler --tary thousand. Our population is growing at the questions, the hon. Minister f\M r.eallh and rate of 2.1 per cent.,hiIa in China the growth Family Welare, Shri Ram Niwas Mintha rate is 1.3. per cent only. simply said, we are doing it TiD...,. I have not come across a single occasion wherathe What should the Government do in Government has taken into confidence lhasa circumstances? No doubt, several these religious leaders. What is wrong in efforts are being made and those efforts taking into confidence these leaders? let have also brought results partly. But much the Government invite them for a dialogue. more is to be accomplished. When we view The Muslim countries have adopted famity our neighbouring countries or other coun- planning operation and no religious leader tries in the world, we find that several coun- belonging to that faith can say that it is tries have succeeded in arresting the popu- against the Ouran or Islamic faith. So, they lation growth to a great extent. I would spe- have to accept it. Fortunately or unfortu- claRy Ike to mention the example of our nately, the people have some faith or soma neighbour ,Indonesia Indonesia is a country confidence on the Gurus or the religious which has a lot d centuries-old cultural rela- leaders. tions with our country. There is Buddhist culture as well as Hindu culture in this coun- Similarly. in Hinduism also. a large try. Even though, 95 per cent of its popula- number of people may be having a lot of faith tion comprises Muslims, yet Indonesia has on their Gurus. succeeded in arresting its population growth. The Government of Indonesia have My concrete suggestion is that already amlacled the Ulemas who are their religious severa! decades have passed: let the Gov- leaders and impressed upon them that the ernment now invite the religious leaders population should be controlled if the people belonging to Hinduism, Christianism or are to be given a more meaningful life. They whatever reDgion it may be and have a have concurred with the opinion of the dialogue across the table and ronvlncethem Government Those UJemas and religious and have their cooperation. I hope, defi- leaders have themselves taken up the task nitely. it will help in your efforts for bringing of propagating among the people that the) down the population growth. At present As. must undertake the family planning process 500/- is given to the people wtm go in for and programmes. This has helped the gov- Vasectomy operation and Rs. 2501- to the ernmental efforts to a great extent and as a people who go in tor tubectomy operation. I result of it, they could bring down the growth a Government employee undergoes a family rate of population. There the family planning planning operation. he is being given two programme is given a very top priority .In fact increments. H we calculate the monetary the National family Planning Coordination benefi! which he derives by way of these two Board was set up. It is directly responsible to increments during his entire service. ;r will the President 01 Indonesia. It is a very su· come to around some few thousand r~ees. pmme powered body. It coordinates all is- He is already educated. He is having a job. sues relating to family planning. Even Com- He is socially forward. He himself is c0n- munist countries like Russia and China ha;(e scious of the advantages that he will get if he also succeeded in taking the cooperation of has a sman family. He can have a pleasure 515 Res/. Re. Measures MARCH 31, 1989 Population 516 to Control Explosion

[Sh. V. Sobhanadreeswara Rao] MR. CHAIRMAN: " is only As. 501-.

of having a few children. By doing so, he can SHRI V. SOBHANADAEESWARA provide education and all other facilities. He RAO: Yes, it is As. 50/-. We give for on day himseH knows about it. We are giving such Rs. 30/- to a male worker or As. 25/- to a incentives to a person who is already con- female worker is working in the agricultural scious. The people who are living in remote land for four or five hours, and how can you areas, in the villages, in the far·flung areas expect any work form those basic: health because of their poverty or illiteracy think workers, if for one month you give only As. that having more children is a gift of God. As 50 to them? why do you not enhance it? After my friend Shri Vijaya Rama Aao and some an, even the lowest paid employee in our ~ther friends have said, children are God's Government service is getting As. 1200 or gift. He is a poor fellow. He has no land. He Rs. 1500. Then, what Heavens will fall if you has no house to share with and so on. He give As. 500 to those basic health workers, may n01 be having large income for a small per month? That will give them some en- family. So, the Government should think couragement, and a satisfaction also to more seriously as to how to convince that them, and they will in turn more vigorously illiterate man in the rural area to have this work among the people, in their habitations family planning operation accepted. So, my and they will themselves propagate and they suggestion is that this amount which is pres- will take all such people who are eligible orfit ently being given as an incentive tor accep- to undergo family planning operations. that tance of family planning programme should means those who have two or three children be enhanced at least to not less than As. 500 already. They know who those people are. for Vasectomy and As. 750/- for Tubectomy They can take all such persons to the hospi- operation. Now, apart from these employees tals. I request the Government to consider who are working in the family planning or and accept this suggestion. family welfare programme of the Govern- ment, there are good number of basic health In some countries some incentives are workers who are spread in every village. given. My friend Mr. Shahabuddin said that During 1977, whentheJanatapartyGovern- there should be no compulsion. that there ment was in power and Mr. Raj Narain was should be no coercion and that there cannot the Minister of Health, he had introduced a be any law. But at the same time, my sugges- new health scheme wherein for over one tion is that the Government has certainly a thousand population, there will be one basic right to give incentives, to see that the people health worker. He works among the people accept this programme as a national pr0- in that one thousand population, he supplies gramme. as a people's which will encourage the medicines, whatever is being given by them to take up these programmes. the Government to the needy people,and then he gives then some advice about the I want to make a few suggestions in this diseases, to go to some hospital or he will regard. Suppose a person has undergone take them there. They are the people who an operation after one child and he is satis- are living in those locations and they have 1ied with that one child, if he himseH or his got a better advantage to communicate, to wife undergoes the family planning convince and to propagate about the bene- operation, then my suggestion is that the fits which those poor and illiterate people get Government may give two pairs of dresses if they undergo family planning operations or to that child when he enters elementary participate in the family planning pro- school, and up to the higher secondary level gramme. Now, what is it you are giving to you give two pairs of dresses to that child them? A pittance! Only As. 150 in some every year. Suppo5e a family adopts family C8IeS and in others more or less the same. planning after having two children, in such For As. 150 how can you expect any work cases you give one pair of dress to the from them? children. 517 RBsL Re. Measures CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Population 518 to ConI1oI Expbsion Now, our Government in Andhra operation with one child and you can give Pradesh is giving so many things, making second priority to those who undergoes available dhotis and saris to poor people operation with two children. Uke this, you who are having green cards, by spending can certainty give incentives and encourage nearly As. 30 acres at the State leveL In the the people. You need not undertake coer- recent Budget it has been announced that it cive methods just like my friend from the will give saris to destitute women. other side Kumari Mamata Banerjee was telling Cl~ut how things have gone when what is wrong if the Government an- San jay Gandhi was there. I do not want to nounces some incentives to the poor people criticise or find fault with it .. ( Intemlptions) in this way. giving two pairs of dresses to a sma" child when he goes to the elementary SHRI AJA Y MUSHRAN (Jabalpur): school if the parents undergo the operation? There was no coercion. You are under This will not only give encouragement to the wrong impression. Commissions were ap- parents to undergo the operation but this will pointed in aU the States and it has come to also have an additional advantage, because light that not a single death was due to family our Government thinks that the human re- planning ... ( Interruptions) sources, will be utilised and the people of this country will be of more use for the develop- SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA ment of this country. And we will succeed in RAO: Sri Ajay Mushranji, with due respect to reducing the drop-outs at the secondary you, peoples verdict was level. Though at the elementary level many there ... (/nt8"Uptions) I am not trying to find children are joining the school, by the time fault with it. .. (lnterruptions) they come to the secondary level many children are dropping out. This may bring SHRI AJAY MUSHRAN: Naturally you down the drop-out rate and encourage the damage the revolution which would have children to continue their studies. I request come into this country by family planning the Government to consider this point also. programme initiated during 1975-77. The opposition took political Similarly we are construding houses. advantage... (Jntenuptions) Our Government in Andhra Pradesh is constructing houses. We have constructed 85 SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA lakh houses. Now, the Government is, under RAO: I am not trying to find fault. I only want the RLEGP programme, giving houses to to say how things went on. What I want to say the poor people belonging to Scheduled is. withoutgiving scope for such a situation to Castes and Scheduled Tribes. Now we have develop, you can give incentives in this way Home Loan Account and some other so that people themselves come forward schemes recognising the need to provide and undertake family planning. help to the poor and needy people. In this programme. you can give top priority to the Another point I would like to make. Even poor person, who is elegible under ec0- though we have enshrined in our nomic norms a house. when he undergoes constitution adirective principle that after ten operation with one child. In China, almost all years. there will not be any illiteracy or there the people have accepted one child norm. In will be universal adult education. unfortu- our country, we could not succeed till now. nately the literacy among women is still very The Government should try to give incen- low. One glad feature is that in Kerala, which tives in this way to a poor person who under- is having a very high literacy among women. goes operation with one child. In the matter population control has come to a higher of allocation of housesite or house, you can revel. That means. in Kerala, women have give top priority to a person who undergoes accepted family planning as a must and as a operation with one chikj and you can give top result 01 that. the population growth is only priority 10 a person who undergoes 1.2 per cent. My submission is, let the Gov- 519 IWL lie.. .,..,... MARCH 31. tJ ConItoI 1. (Sh. V. Sobhanadr_ara Rao) (TI'8fISIafion)

emrnent make aI efforts to increase the SHRI GIRDHARI. 1AL VY AS (BhiI- IiIeracy among the women. which will ~ in wara): Mr. Chainnan. s.. when we were .,esting the population grCMth. married and we produced children, we cId not have so much awareness and this Another suggestion is, the Government caused huge loss. But the present genera- can bring a proposal that no person with tion should remail'\rvery cautious about it more than two children will be eligible to get the Govemment job or the job in publIC k Dr. Bhoi has said rizthere should be undertakings .•• (/nterrul1ions) not more than one child in a family. H this norm is followed in ow country. we can do a SHRI AZIZ OUERSHI (Satna) : To be lot of welfare for the country. China, being a come Member!. of Parl.ament vast country and having a population of 100 aIso .... (Interruptions) crores has adopted this norm. They have set an examp&e before us by following this norm. SHRI v. SOBHANADAEES~VARA When a country like China could adopt this RAO : There IS nothing wrong in it. The policy, why can .. we adopt it We should also Members of Parliament need not be ex- adopt it The hone Member has aid emphasis empted. When it is a good thing, it can be on the point of having a uniform civil code for made applicable to everybody Unless you the whole country. think of some such measure, we cannot arrest the population growth. I only urge An han. Member. who was speaking upon the Government to think on this line. just now, was opposing the idea of uniform civ~ code. Thereafter. Kumari Mamata Ban- Lastly I say that for decades we have erjee also spoke but she did not make the been seeing that family planning methods point clear. These hone Members were of the ..mndomes are used by menfok only and view that population does not increase by 1ha same thing is continuing for decades and the people who keep 4 to 5 wives. They decades together while new methods have understand that polygamy leads to a fall in been adopted in other countries. Why population. But it is definitely a wrong notion. should the Government not take certain Any effort to adopt such a notion will also measures to bring such changes in oontra- definitely prove to be wrong. captives that are supplied in our country? There is nothing wrong in that. Shri Bhoi has submitted that there should be a uniform civil code in the country. It should definitely be done in the right ear· Rnally, I agree with Dr. Bhai that a nest. This has been the case with other National Population Commission should be countries having multi-racial population. set up. I suggest, let the Prime Minister head Muslims and Christians and the people be- his Commission and let the Chief Ministers longing to an castes. live there. They have be the members of this Commission. This adopted a uniform law. They have enforced Commission should evolve new methods uniform civil code in all civil rites, whether it because we have already tried certain other is the case of marriage or any other rites. If avenues. Let us give new shape to family this system is followed in our country. it will planning and let family planning become do a lot of good to our country. Otherwise, people's programme. Then only we can the population of our country which was 33 achieve our target, limit our population crores before independence and is now 80 growth and thus help the poor and common crores, will reach the alarming flQure of 100 people of this country and as per Mahatma crores by the tum of 2000 AD. When the Gandhi's wishes. everybody will get equal population is only 80 crftes. our plans are status and facilties in this society. being dislocated. Now 38 per cent people 521 ResL Re. Maasans CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKAl Population 522 IoComol Explosion liVe below Ihe poverty ina. They have no gramme, whereas in our country we drag shelter, no toad to eat. no dothes to wear. religion into the question of implementation They do not receive education and get of this Programme and issue religious ver- medical fcdiies. How can it be possble for dicts against it. Due to this the population us Ie provide aI facilities to such a vast increase. This sort of things must be population. It is, therefore. very essential to stopped. check this population growth. 18.00 hrs. During the last 40 years a lot of progress has been made. No other country has made How is it possible to implement this this much progress. But it seems as if noth- programme by enforcement of taw. There ing has been done. let us take the case of can be no comparison between China and educalic n. I would like to make a reference our country in this regard, Because. in China to Rajasthan in this amnection. Only 36 per a law, once enacted, becomes applicable to cent men and 12 per cent women are edu- all. But this proposition cannot be made cated in the State. How can we think of applicable in a democratic country like thai of launching this programme in a State where ours. Just now an hone Member was speak- a vast majority of people is uneducatoo. ing and Colonel SQ~ib opposed his views. That is why education is most needed in our But it is a fact that much emphasis was laid country. We Can set things right if all our onthe population control in 19n.ln 19nthe children are educated. Primary education opposition parties tried to instigate the should be made compulsory for both boys people of this country against us. During the and gir1s. The hone Member laid much Janata rule late Shri Raj Narain was himseH emphasis on women's education, but I feel the hone Minister of Health, about whos, that special attention should be paid to both programme Shri Rao was just mentioning men and women's education. Just like the that Health workers were appointed for this primary education, more and more children purpose. Today no Health worker is looking should be given middle and secondary after the work of family planning programme. education. Thereafter. instead of giving pri- Shri Rae was teJling that people accept the ority to B.A. and M.A. standard of education, programme only when they are given vari- more attention should be paid towards tech- ous incentives like house at some places, nical education so that we could produce digging of wells or supplying power or State more and more technicians who will contrib- Government should give incentives. As ute their might to the progress of the country. people have no education, they are attracted If necessary, these people can go for their towards this due to avarice or for some self-employment also. But employment incentives. We went through the family plan- cannot be ensured by simply doing gradu- ning programme that was undertaken last ation of MA It is very essential to pay year. It has been stated in the figures that attention to it. We can be successful in this one doctor had conducted 4 vasectomy or 4 programme if we pay attention towards the tubectomy operation in a day. It is not at all education of both boys and gir1s. Otherwise possible for a doctor to conduct so many we wm confine ourselves in our religious operations in a day. In this way efforts are activities making claims that this religion made to give fictitIOUS figures. There are should have more population and that relig- cases where one person is shown to have ion should have less population. The whole undergone vasectomy operation twice such system wiD be dislocated in religious fanati- type of fictitious figures are being shown. cism. ThaI is why education is quite essential This state of affair must be checked. This to run the whole system in a systematic work will be successful OPlty when Govern- manner. Just now Shri Rao was telling that ment officials, some selected persons and efforts are being made in other countries like social workers are deployed in this task. It China. the U.S.S.R and even in our neigh- cannot become successful until and unless bouring muntry Pakistan to adopt this pr~ people are involved in this work and who 523 ResI. Re. Measures MARCH 31, 1989 Population 52 .. to Control Explosion ISh. Girdhari L.aI Vyas] the common people and they win feel that their Government takes care of their inter- discharge their duties honestly. I would like ests. Ha person with one of two children dies to make yet another submission. Our I.A.S. as a result "f undergoing sterilization I.P.S. Officers and State Government Offi- operation and the Government takes care of cers or those working in public sector under- his children and makes necessary arrange- takings bring cases,but the Patwaris. ments for their upbringing then the morale of Tehsildars, B.O.Os, S.D.Os and Collectors the people will be boosted and they will feel show these cases against 1heir names. assured in every way. They will also grow to When the time of awarding prizes comes, expect that Government will provide old age those studious workers who contributed pension and they will never have to face their might to do maximum propaganda of extreme poverty. It is only after all such the programme remain in the back ground. arrangements are made that this pro- All the prize shave been received by Govern- gramme can be successful. Along with it, it is ment officials. Thereafter it discourage the imperative to provide facilities for strength- genuine workers w~o contributed their might ening the financial position of the people. to make this programme a success. The UJ1less the Common man is able to stand on system has got to be changed. Incentives his legs, he cannot think of such matters. must be given whether he is a collector or Hence, all these aspects here to be looked any other officer or somebody working in a into. public undertaking. The higher the authority, the more he wields his influence. Today A National Population Commission there was a question on family planning and should be appointed to control the growth of I had put my supplementary. population In the whole country. Its recommendations should be implenlented appro- As regards the Family Planning Pro- priately. All the religions should participate in gramme about which you have stated that it and all the recommendations should be health facilities will be made available to all implemented properly as only then there can by the year 2000. I would like to know as to be an effective check on population explo- how will the Government achieve this tar- sion. More funds will be required for this get? The Government should enlighten us purpose. Government provides Rs. 2000 about the number of the people likely to be crores for the Family Planning Programme covered under each health centre and each but most of the amount is spent in giving sub-centre? Further, whether Family Plan- T.A.ID.A. to th~ officers and the money given ning workers to be appointed ana whether to provide incentives in misused. necessary medicines have been made Therefore,this programl"'le should be imple- available? How can medical facilities be mented honestly and each incentive should available to all without making these ar- honestly be given for its effective implemen- rangements? Thousands of such operations tation. The 20 Point programme seeks to take place and some cases may go unsuc- provide all kinds of facilities like these of cessful and may get complicated and post housing, irrigation, drinking water supply, operation treatment becomes necessary. education of children. health facilities and What are your proposals regarding post digging of wells etc. to the people living operation treatment? Even if the poor man is below the poverty line. This type of arrange- in a dying condition after such an operation, ment will encourage people and they will no medical help is available. Everyone is have more confidence in the Government ready to get appreciation but no one is willing an1 will make all out efforts in making this to make necessary arrangements for post programme a success. Hthe Government is operational treatment in case of complica- sincerely interested In making this pro- tions arising out of such operations. There- gramme successful, it should take it very fore, it is absolutely essential to pay attention seriously and with open heart. H we merely in this direction. This will boost the morale of table the Budget here and make our submis- 525 RssI. Re. Aleasures CHAITRA 10. 1911 (SAKA) Population 521 to Control Explosion sions and walk aWfJtt it will not do. We shall win testify that no revolution in this world has have to exert full pressure and make all been brought by law. So far as religion ad possI)Ie efforts in this direction. An an infra- Family Planning Programme are con- structure is needed for the development of cerned, efforts are made to show them at the country. The same wayan infrastructure variance. To say that any religion is against has to be created for the control of popula- Family Planning, in my opinion, is not based tion. Therefore, necessary infrastructure on facts. There is no truth in it. Dr. Sho; has has to be created by which this programme just submitted something about the Shariat. can be implemented effectively. I hope that While speaking on Islam he referred to the 4 Government will pay special attention in this Imams and to their followers and to their direction and will make all out efforts to teachings. Firstly I would like to clarify that implement this programme and make it a there are only 3 basic principles underlying success. Only then can true welfare of the Islam and these are: country can take prace. Our development programmes will also be successful only (a) faith in the Almighty; when population is under control. We want to uplift the people living below the poverty line (b) Full faith in Ouran as aspirituaJtext. and we have prepared several programmes for this purpose. However, they will be suc- (c) To accept Prophet Mohammad as cessful only when we are able to control our the last Prophet and have com- population effectively. Only when we are plete faith in his teachings able to control our population effectively. Only then can the country become prosperous and self sufficient. This is our most The person who has faith in all these important target for the achievement of three things is a true Muslim and a true which the Government, the people and all follower of Islam. It is not necessary to follow the the political parties will have to make any other principle for a Muslim. Whatever concerted efforts. h is only then that real the Imams say are merely interpretation aconomicgrowth will take place. We shall be these are individual interpretations of variable to check population growth through the ous people. So far as the question of Mus- Family Planning Programme and it is only lims and Family Planning is concerned, it is then that we shall achieve our aim and incorrect to say that Muslim are against development of the country can take place. Family Planning and I want this matter to be clarified to the people by the House. There is not a single word in Ouran, Hadis, or in the SHRI AZIZ OURESHI (Satna): Mr. teachings of the Prophet which condemns Speaker. Sir, I support the proposal of Dr. Family Planning. Wherever there has been a Shoi but I do not agree with the suggestion of difference of opinion and the people have bringing a legislation in this regard. Gurudev protested, they have done so against abor- Rabindra Nath Tagore had said that the birth tions. This is so because one section feels of every child in this world signifies that God that man does not have any right t~ kill a has not lost faith in the future of mankind so human foetus since life has already entered far. I think that if Gurudev lagore had been into it. still alive when the population of this country has exceeded 80 crores, he would have hesitated in making such a statement. He [English] would not have made such a statement at tn&t--about India. MR. CHAIRMAN: You continue next time. Now papers to be lad on the Table. Mr. Chairman. Sir, so far as framing a law .. this connection is concerned, history 527 Messages from R.S. MARCH 31. 1989 PBpIHS Laid 528

11.18 hra. (1) A copy of Notifacation No. 1121891 C.E. (Hindi and English versions) MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA- published in Gazette of India dated Contd. the 31st March, 1989 exempting [English] solar photovoltaic cells from the whole of excise duty when used in SECRETARY-GENERAL:Sir,1 have to the manufacture of specified report the following message received from goods even outside the factory of the Secretary-General of Rajya Sabha:- production of solar cells, under sub-sedion (2) of sadion 38 of the

It In accordance with the provisions ot Central Excise and Salt Act. 1944. sub-rule (6) of rule 186 of the Rules 01 Procedure and Conduct of Business in {2) A copy each of Notification Nos. the Rajya Sabha, I am directed to return 134189-Customs and 135/89-Cus- herewith the Income-tax (Amendment) toms (Hindi and English versions) Bill, 1989 which was passed by th9 lok published in Gazette of India dated Sabha at Its SlttlOg held on the 29th the 31 st March. 1989 restoring nil March, 1989 and transmItted to the rate of customs duty on specified Rajya Sabha for its recommendations goods imported for offshore oil and to state that this House has no exploration/exploitation under sec- recommendations to make to the Lok tion 159 of the Customs Act, 1962. Sabha in regard to the said Bill." [Placed in library SeeNo. LT-76671 89] 18.17 hrs. MR. CHAIRMAN: The House now PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE-Contd. stands adjourned to meet again on 3rd April 1989 at 11.00 AM. [ENGLlSHj

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 18.18 hrs. MINISTRY OF SURFACE TRANSPORT AND DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINIS- TRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven (SHRI P. NAMGYAL): Sir, I beg to layonthe of the Clock on Monday, Aprir3 1989/ Table. Chaitra 13, 1911 (Saka).

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