Griffin, Philip J
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The Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training Foreign Affairs Oral History Project PHILIP J. GRIFFIN Interviewed by: Raymond Ewing Initial interview date: October 20, 1998 Copyright 2014 ADST [Note: This interview was not completed prior to Mr. Griffin’s death.] Q: Good morning. It is good to be talking with you. GRIFFIN: Good morning Ray. It is nice to be here Q: You entered the Foreign Service a few months before I did in 1957. I see that you went to the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University. Is that what led you to the Foreign Service or was there something else that pushed you in that direction? GRIFFIN: Well phrased question. There was one indicator event that pushed me initially in that direction, or I should say pushed me in the direction to go to the Foreign Service school. And that was a son of a friend of the family, in the period immediately after the war. He had come out of the military. We knew this young man quite well. He chose Georgetown University School of Foreign Service. I was a teenager and this was something I had not heard of and most of the people in my family hadn’t heard of. I grew up here in Washington. We of course knew about Georgetown. He chose the School of Foreign Service. I saw him from time to time from 1945 to 1950 and he got me interested in that particular part of the university. I went to a Jesuit high school in DC and for academic, professional and financial reasons it was clear I was not going away to school but I wanted to go to a good school. I was able to get a half scholarship from Gonzaga High School here in town to go to Georgetown. I chose the Foreign Service school mainly because of what I had heard from this young man, who did not go on to enter the Foreign Service but ended going into business. Q: So you went Georgetown. You took the Foreign Service Exam while you were there or a little bit later? GRIFFIN: I finished in 1954. I was in ROTC and went into the military. While I was in the military, I served with a gentleman who I had gone to ROTC summer camp with in Kansas. We had become good buddies over this two/three month period. We met again when we were on active duty. He had told me back at summer training about the Foreign Service as a career. I had more or less decided initially to do something different than that and interviewed with a number of companies in my senior year. I was offered a couple of opportunities. Particularly one was offered by General Electric’s international division, connected to NY. I had more or less signed up with them. They said they would consider me after military service. 1 I had in mind to eventually do the Foreign Service. But I thought it would probably be necessary for me to go to graduate school. That isn’t necessary but in any case I thought that at the time. Anyway, I met up with this gentleman in Fort Bragg, North Carolina. They were giving exams every six months then. We were talking about it. He said, “I had taken this Foreign Service Exam. It is given nationally. You can take it while you are here. You can take it while you are assigned to this base.” I asked, “Where do you take that?” He said, “You fill out this ….to Washington to Department of State. They will decide for you to take it in Raleigh, NC. Which is what I did. In my last few months of active duty, I took the exam. Like most of us, I was certain I failed it. I was surprised that I didn’t fail it. I got a few points. Then they set up the oral examination. Which was not the type that was given now… The same time I had applied to take the exam, I applied to the CIA. Turns out, I passed the initial screening with them. When the Foreign Service…was set, the date, I took that date, their oral exam at the same time. That was within 6-8 weeks of leaving the military. Q: All of your army service was in the United States? At Fort Bragg, North Carolina? GRIFFIN: Georgia, Fort Benning and Bragg, North Carolina. I didn’t get overseas, unfortunately. Q: So you passed the oral exam. Then entered the Foreign Service shortly after you left the Army. GRIFFIN: Yes, I got out of the army at the end of January 1957. Entered the Foreign Service end of March or early April as I recall. Q: Same here. GRIFFIN: Yes, it was convenient. Once I had passed the oral examination...I was offered a job in what I thought I really wanted to do. I informed the General Electric Corporation that I would not be…It was nice to have two job opportunities coming out of the military. It was, of course, as you know, it was a time that the Department was recruiting. After the McCarthy era. Q: Yes, as a prospect of new embassies in Africa was on the horizon and the integration of the rest of the program Civil Foreign Service. So you came into the Department, you did your initial training at the Foreign Service Institute. What happened after that? GRIFFIN: At that time newly minted officers had the option to stay in Washington or go in the field for their first assignment. I had married just before I graduated and before I went into the military. We decided that we would like to stay here a couple years. So I was assigned to a function that I knew nothing about. I had never been outside the United States except for briefly Canada and Mexico. I felt totally unprepared for being a personnel placement officer. I guess they called it POD at that time. The assignments officer as opposed to the counseling function. I was assigned to do placement for the Benelux countries including the remaining Dutch dependencies in the Western hemisphere. Q: Suriname. 2 GRIFFIN: Suriname and Curacao. Q: Did you get some language training while you were here? GRIFFIN: Yes, I came in as a language probationer. I just missed the written German test by a few points. So I needed some time then before I went to the Washington assignment or afterwards. They did it afterwards. I needed to get off of language probation. I took sixteen weeks. It was intensive German training at Foreign Service Institute. Q: And that turned out to be followed by an assignment to Germany. GRIFFIN: I was able to get first assignment in the consular section in Frankfurt. Q: Then Frankfurt to do visas, the usual consular work. Was that pretty much it or did you do some other things too? GRIFFIN: Frankfurt, along with several other European posts such as Genoa, maybe Cologne and maybe Munich, were the guinea pig, so to speak, for rotational assignments for junior officers. There was a lot of flexibility. It was left basically to the Consulate General. These were all at large Consulates General. I was sort of told when I came in to vie for one of two substantive junior officer positions. It was a very large consulate general, I believe it still is. There were two-person, political and economic sections handling the three German provinces in that consular district. There was a senior economic officer, a junior economic officer and the same on the political side. I did non-immigrant visas for about a year. Then for another 4-6 months I did passports and citizenship, mainly registering children of American GIs. And then I was chosen to take the junior political position. I worked for Paul Kattenburg, a Far Eastern Specialist. In some of the Vietnam books, he certainly was involved, it was after that period. He had a European family background. He spoke every known language. Anyway, I went to work for him. Q: And in Frankfurt you and Paul Kattenburg basically were in touch with the political leadership in not only Frankfurt itself but neighboring lender….You were negotiating did you do much with the foreign ministry or with the government authority or were you involved with military issues? GRIFFIN: A little bit on military issues on behalf of the embassy, and otherwise doing the embassy bidding but also we had quite a bit of luck to develop important political programs. It was an enormously beneficial assignment. It was some years after that I had as much responsibility or as much flexibility in the reporting position or any other position for that matter. Helmut Kohl, later the German Chancellor, was a rising politician in Rhineland-Pfalz on the west side of the Rhine River, a conservative catholic area. He was a rising politician and we were trying to get to know him. Paul said, “Why don’t we have introductory social events? Host a male only group for Kohl and some of his associates. We did, rather I did. He was in my home 3 and I was a very junior officer. He wasn’t as stout as he is now. Shortly thereafter he started to shine very brightly. He wanted go on. He eventually became chancellor. Q: You were in Frankfurt from 1959-61. So he was probably in his 40s, 30s. GRIFFIN: He was in his late 30s, early 40’s.