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BEFORE THE IP TASK FORCE OF THE INDEPENDENT CITIZENS' OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE TO THE CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE FOR REGENERATIVE MEDICINE ORGANIZED PURSUANT TO THE CALIFORNIA STEM CELL RESEARCH AND CURES ACT REGULAR MEETING LOCATION: UCSD 9500 GILMAN DRIVE EUCALYPTUS POINT LA JOLLA, CALIFORNIA DATE: THURSDAY, APRIL 27, 2006 8:15 A.M. REPORTER: BETH C. DRAIN, CSR CSR. NO. 7152 BRS FILE NO.: 75296 1 2 I N D E X 3 4 ITEM DESCRIPTION PAGE NO. 5 CALL TO ORDER 3 6 ROLL CALL 3 7 PRESENTATIONS: 8 JOHN SIMPSON 5 JOHN GOLLAHER 32 9 ALLAN ROBINS 50 JULIE MEIER WRIGHT 68 10 JOYDEEP GOSWAMI 82 11 TASK FORCE DISCUSSION 108 12 PUBLIC COMMENT 118 13 ADJOURNMENT 124 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 2 1 THURSDAY, APRIL 27, 2006 2 3 MS. KING: WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER 4 THEN. 5 CHAIRMAN PENHOET: WE HAVE A TRANSCRIBER AT 6 WORK, SO WE CAN START THE MEETING. THIS MEETING IS 7 BEING CONDUCTED IN FIVE PLACES. WE'RE AT UC SAN DIEGO, 8 AND WE THANK OUR HOST FOR PROVIDING THIS SPACE, AT 9 NUVELO CORPORATION, IN LOS ANGELES, AND IN CHICO. 10 WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO FROM THE 11 CIRM IS PRESENT. 12 MS. KING: SUSAN BRYANT. 13 DR. BRYANT: HERE. 14 MS. KING: MICHAEL GOLDBERG. 15 MR. GOLDBERG: HERE. 16 MS. KING: SHERRY LANSING. TED LOVE. 17 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: HE STEPPED OUT. HE'LL 18 BE RIGHT BACK. 19 MS. KING: ED PENHOET. 20 CHAIRMAN PENHOET: HERE. 21 MS. KING: PILL PIZZO. JOHN REED. 22 DR. REED: HERE. 23 MS. KING: JEFF SHEEHY. OSWALD STEWARD. 24 DR. STEWARD: HERE. 25 MS. KING: JANET WRIGHT. 3 1 DR. WRIGHT: HERE. 2 CHAIRMAN PENHOET: GOOD. SO THANK YOU ALL. 3 SORRY WE'RE LATE IN GETTING STARTED, BUT WE WILL 4 PROCEED WITH TODAY'S SESSION. AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, I 5 THINK THIS IS OUR SECOND MEETING IN OUR ATTEMPTS TO 6 DEFINE AN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY FOR GRANTS, 7 CONTRACTS, LOANS, WHATEVER FORM OF PAYMENTS WE MIGHT 8 MAKE TO INDUSTRIAL ORGANIZATIONS. 9 AND WE HAD A SORT OF VERY, I THINK, 10 PRODUCTIVE FIRST MEETING AT STANFORD NOW SIX WEEKS AGO, 11 I GUESS IT WAS. AND THIS ROUND WITH THE SECOND MEETING 12 IN SAN DIEGO. WE PLAN TO HAVE A THIRD MEETING PROBABLY 13 IN SACRAMENTO SOMETIME LATER IN THE SUMMER. SO WE'RE 14 MOVING THIS PROCESS ALONG. WE'RE VERY INDEBTED TO THE 15 PEOPLE WHO HAVE AGREED TO COME AND SHARE THEIR 16 PERSPECTIVES ON THIS ISSUE WITH US TODAY. 17 WE HAVE A GROUP OF PRESENTERS, FIVE IN TOTAL, 18 AS YOU KNOW. AND THE FIRST OF THOSE IS JOHN SIMPSON. 19 JOHN IS THE STEM CELL PROJECT DIRECTOR FOR THE 20 FOUNDATION FOR TAXPAYER AND CONSUMER RIGHTS. SO WE'LL 21 JUST GET RIGHT INTO JOHN'S PRESENTATION. JOHN, THANK 22 YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY AND FOR PUTTING YOUR 23 PRESENTATION TOGETHER. 24 A REMINDER, WE HAD TO WAIT FOR A TRANSCRIBER 25 BECAUSE ALL THESE MEETINGS ARE TRANSCRIBED, SO WE GET 4 1 ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND WE KEEP ALL OF THE POWERPOINT 2 PRESENTATIONS AS WELL. WE HAVE FIVE, SIX PEOPLE IN THE 3 AUDIENCE HERE THIS MORNING, ONE OF WHOM IS OUR NEWEST 4 ICOC MEMBER, DUANE ROTH, WHO MOST OF THE LOCAL PEOPLE 5 KNOW THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY. 6 MR. SIMPSON: THANK YOU, VERY MUCH, DR. 7 PENHOET. IS THIS MICROPHONE WORKING LOUD ENOUGH SO 8 THAT EVERYONE CAN HEAR IT OKAY? I'M WIRELESSLY HOOKED 9 UP HERE. I'M NOT QUITE SURE. WHAT ABOUT THE REMOTE 10 SITES? ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ON THE TELEPHONES? 11 (ALL SITES RESPOND AFFIRMATIVELY.) 12 MR. SIMPSON: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY 13 WANTED TO THANK THE CHAIRMAN AND THE FIRST DEPUTY FOR 14 GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR VIEWS. WE DID 15 ISSUE A REPORT BACK IN JANUARY WHICH WAS CALLED 16 "AFFORDABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY, AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR 17 CALIFORNIA STEM CELL RESEARCH." THAT WAS AIMED MORE 18 TOWARDS THE NONPROFITS. WE HAVE COPIES OF THAT HERE 19 AVAILABLE TO THE BOARD MEMBERS. WHAT I ALSO THEN 20 PREPARED IS A WHITE PAPER TODAY THAT IS ALSO AVAILABLE. 21 IT'S THE BASIS FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I THINK YOU'VE 22 GOT THAT AS WELL. 23 I JUST WOULD POINT OUT IF YOU HAVE STRONG 24 AGREEMENTS OR DISAGREEMENTS OR WHATEVER WITH WHAT I 25 MIGHT SAY, MY COORDINATES ARE THERE ON THE FIRST SLIDE. 5 1 I CAN BE REACHED AT [email protected]. OUR 2 WEBSITE IS WWW.CONSUMERWATCHDOG.ORG, AND WE HAVE OUR 3 OWN SPECIAL STEM CELL PAGES AT STEMCELLWATCH.ORG. 4 DR. WRIGHT: JOHN, THIS IS JANET WRIGHT. IS 5 THE WHITE PAPER THAT YOU HAVE THERE TODAY ACCESSIBLE 6 THROUGH THE WEBSITE, OR ARE YOU GOING TO MAIL THAT OUT 7 TO THOSE OF US WHO AREN'T THERE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? 8 MR. SIMPSON: THAT WAS E-MAILED, I THINK, WAS 9 IT? IN TERMS OF THE SLIDES. I CAN SEND IT. IT WILL 10 BE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE. I HAVE SENT A COPY OF IT 11 TO CIRM. 12 DR. MAXON: I CAN DISTRIBUTE IT AGAIN. 13 DR. WRIGHT: GREAT. THANKS. 14 CHAIRMAN PENHOET: -- HERE EVERYBODY SHOULD 15 HAVE A COPY. 16 MR. SIMPSON: THE THING I FIRST WANT TO TALK 17 ABOUT WHO WE ARE. WE'RE A NONPROFIT, NONPARTISAN 18 CONSUMER WATCHDOG ORGANIZATION. WE WERE KNOWN FOR THE 19 PROPOSITION 103. OUR FOUNDER, HARVEY ROSENFIELD, WROTE 20 THAT AND REFORMED THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. WE'VE BEEN 21 INVOLVED RECENTLY IN HEALTHCARE, INSURANCE, ACCESS, 22 FIGHTING EXCESSIVE OIL PROFITS, CAMPAIGN FINANCE 23 REFORM, THAT SORT OF THING. 24 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE 25 DID NOT HAVE A POSITION ON PROPOSITION 71 WHEN IT WAS 6 1 PASSED. WHEN IT WAS PASSED, WE FELT THAT OUR ROLE WAS 2 TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT PROMISES ARE KEPT 3 AND ENACTED. SO SOME ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BEEN AGAINST 4 IT FROM THE BEGINNING. WE STEPPED INTO IT ONCE 5 ESSENTIALLY IT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVED BY THE 6 PEOPLE. 7 AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF. I'M A FORMER 8 NEWSPAPERMAN, A LONG TIME WITH THE GANETT COMPANY IN 9 PLACES IN UPSTATE NEW YORK, BINGHAMTON, ITHACA, GUAM, 10 AND THEN MOST OF MY CAREER AT U.S.A. TODAY WHERE I 11 ENDED UP BEING DEPUTY EDITOR, WHICH WAS A GLORIFIED WAY 12 OF SAYING I RAN THE INTERNATIONAL EDITION. I DID A 13 LITTLE BIT OF CONSULTING WITH THE IRISH TIMES, THE 14 GLEANER IN JAMAICA, TAUGHT JOURNALISM IN IRELAND, ENDED 15 UP AT A SYNDICATE COMPANY IN L.A., AND NOW I'M WORKING 16 FOR THE FOUNDATION. I SHOULD STRESS I'M NOT A LAWYER. 17 SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT HELPS MY VIEW OF IP OR 18 HINDERS IT, BUT THAT IS A DISCLAIMER. 19 AT THE LAST HEARING WE HEARD WHAT I THOUGHT 20 WAS SORT OF AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, DO IT OUR WAY OR 21 WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE PETRIE DISHES AND GO HOME. 22 GENENTECH, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NOT PROBABLY GOING TO BE 23 INVOLVED IN STEM CELL RESEARCH, TALKED ABOUT THE 24 BIOTECH INDUSTRY AND SAID, LOOK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO 25 ENGAGE IF THERE ARE APPROPRIATE PUBLIC BENEFIT 7 1 REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THESE GRANTS. 2 BRAD MARGUS FROM PERLEGEN SCIENCES BASICALLY 3 SAID COMPANIES AREN'T GOING TO COME TO YOU ON OUR 4 KNEES. YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE BEST CLASS OF PLAYERS 5 TO PARTICIPATE, NOT JUST THE FINANCIALLY DESPERATE. 6 WELL, I THINK THERE'S SOME FACTS THAT NEED TO BE 7 EXAMINED. LAST YEAR $5.9 BILLION WENT OUT TO THE 8 BIOTECH INDUSTRY. A 120 MILLION OF THAT WAS FOR STEM 9 CELL RESEARCH. THERE WAS $30 MILLION OF FEDERAL STEM 10 CELL MONEY. AND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS, I THINK, 11 THAT WHEN CIRM STARTS PUTTING OUT $300 MILLION A YEAR, 12 YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST FUNDER OF STEM CELL 13 RESEARCH IN THE WORLD PROBABLY. SO TO ME THAT MEANS, 14 YES, THE BIOTECH INDUSTRY REALLY IS KEENLY INTERESTED 15 IN THIS PUBLIC MONEY AND WANTS IT. 16 THE OTHER THING I THINK I JUST WANT TO ADD 17 ABOUT THE WHOLE VENTURE CAPITAL PICTURE, WHICH IS 18 IMPORTANT, IS THAT LOOMING OVER THE WHOLE INDUSTRY AND 19 CAUSING A GREAT AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY ON THE PART OF 20 VENTURE CAPITALISTS IN STEM CELLS ARE THE PATENTS ON 21 HUMAN EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS ON ALL OF THEM IN THE UNITED 22 STATES, THE PATENTS ONLY RECOGNIZED IN THE UNITED 23 STATES THAT ARE HELD BY THE WISCONSIN AREA 24 ALUMNI -- I'M SORRY -- WISCONSIN ALUMNI RESEARCH 25 FOUNDATION. THE WARF PATENTS REALLY ARE OUTRAGEOUS. I 8 1 MEAN THEY MEAN, FOR INSTANCE, THAT IF THE STEM CELL 2 RESEARCHER, LIKE JEANNE LORING, WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE, 3 COMES UP WITH 20 NEW STEM CELL LINES, SHE CAN'T PROVIDE 4 THEM TO ANYBODY ELSE UNLESS WARF SAYS SO. AT LEAST 5 THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT IT MEANS. 6 PROPOSITION 71, THE PROMISES OF THAT. WELL, 7 WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE PROMISES OF CURES AND HOPE AND 8 THAT, BUT THE OTHER THING WE'VE GOT TO REMEMBER WAS 9 THAT IN THE PROPOSITION ITSELF WERE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS 10 TO BENEFIT THE PEOPLE.