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COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA Official Committee Hansard JOINT COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC WORKS Reference: Navy ammunitioning facility, Twofold Bay, NSW THURSDAY, 2 MARCH 2000 EDEN BY AUTHORITY OF THE PARLIAMENT INTERNET The Proof and Official Hansard transcripts of Senate committee hearings, some House of Representatives committee hearings and some joint committee hearings are available on the Internet. Some House of Representatives committees and some joint committees make available only Official Hansard transcripts. The Internet address is http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard To search the parliamentary database, go to: http://search.aph.gov.au JOINT COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC WORKS Thursday, 2 March 2000 Members: Mrs Moylan (Chair), Mrs Crosio (Vice-Chair), Senators Calvert, Ferguson and Murphy and Mr Forrest, Mr Hollis, Mr Lindsay and Mr Ripoll Senators and members in attendance: Senators Calvert, Ferguson and Murphy and Mr Hollis and Mr Lindsay Terms of reference for the inquiry: Navy Ammunitioning Facility, Twofold Bay, NSW. WITNESSES AVEYARD, Mr John Mark, Chairman, Eden Foundation ..................................................................................177 BARRY, Mr Garrett John, Director, Building and Planning Services, Bega Valley Shire Council.....................120 BEAUMONT, Ms Rosemary Jane, President, Environment Network Inc. ............................................................81 CHARTER, Mr Neil, Marketing Manager, Bombala Council..............................................................................171 COX, Commodore Timothy Harvey, Director General Maritime Development, Department of Defence ............17 ................................................................................................................................................................................185 ENGLAND, Mr Michael John, Principal Environment Planning, Consultant to Defence.....................................17 ................................................................................................................................................................................185 FERRARIS, Mr Diego Felice, Project Director, Department of Defence ...............................................................17 ................................................................................................................................................................................185 JOLLY, Captain Richard James (Private capacity)..............................................................................................153 KELLY, Brigadier Garry Ross, Director General Project Delivery, Department of Defence................................17 ................................................................................................................................................................................185 KENNY, Mr Andrew James, Economic Development Manager, Bega Valley Shire Council Council.................120 NAIRN, Mr Gary, MP ............................................................................................................................................. 2 NORMAN, Ms Susan Jean (Private capacity).......................................................................................................160 CONTENTS—continued PITTY, Mr Hugh Warwick McRae, Co-Founder and Spokesperson, Paddlers for Peace .................................. 139 WEBB, Mr Peter William, Member for Monaro, New South Wales Legislative Assembly.....................................8 YOUNG, Mr Steven Bruce, Project Manager, Department of Defence ................................................................. 17 ................................................................................................................................................................................ 185 Thursday, 2 March 2000 JOINT PW 1 Committee met at 8.59 a.m. TEMPORARY CHAIR—Ladies and gentlemen, good morning and welcome to the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works inquiry into the naval ammunitioning facility at Twofold Bay. Firstly, to the people of Eden, thank you for your terrific welcome. We appreciate the hospitality that has been shown to us. I would like to declare open this public hearing into the proposed Navy ammunitioning facility at Twofold Bay. The project’s estimated budget of $40 million was referred to the Public Works Committee for consideration and report to parliament by the House of Representatives on 11 October 1999. In accordance with subsection 17(3) of the Public Works Committee Act 1969: (3) In considering and reporting on a public work, the Committee shall have regard to— (a) the stated purpose of the work and its suitability for that purpose; (b) the necessity for, and the advisability of, carrying out the work; (c) the most effective use that can be made, in the carrying out of the work, of the moneys to be expended on the work; (d) where the work purports to be of a revenue-producing character, the amount of revenue that it may reasonably be expected to produce; and (e) the present and prospective public value of the work. Yesterday the committee received a briefing and inspected the site of the proposed work. Today the committee will hear evidence from Mr Gary Nairn MP, Mr Peter Webb MLA, the Department of Defence, Environment Network, Bega Valley Shire Council, Paddlers for Peace, the ‘K’ Salvage company, Ms Sue Norman, Bombala Council and the Eden Foundation. PUBLIC WORKS PW 2 JOINT Thursday, 2 March 2000 [9.01 a.m.] NAIRN, Mr Gary, MP TEMPORARY CHAIR—Welcome. The committee has received your submission dated 10 February 2000. Do you propose any amendment? Mr Nairn—No. TEMPORARY CHAIR—It is proposed that the submission dated 10 February 2000 and the accompanying Defence response be received, taken as read and incorporated in the transcript of evidence. Do members have any objections? There being no objection, it is so ordered. The documents read as follows— PUBLIC WORKS PW 6 JOINT Thursday, 2 March 2000 TEMPORARY CHAIR—Mr Nairn, I now invite you to make a short statement in support of your submission. 6 Mr Nairn—Thank you, Mr Lindsay. Could I first of all welcome the committee back to Eden. In about a month or so it will be two years since the Public Works Committee held its first hearing in this very room to investigate the possibility of recommending the location of the ammunition facility and wharf here in Eden. I am very pleased that you are back here at a later stage of the process. The project is something that I have taken a very keen interest in since I was first elected. At that stage, as the committee would know, it looked like this project was going to Point Wilson, but, subsequent to investigations by the committee, other recommendations have been made. I would like to emphasise a couple of things in making an opening statement. There have really been three considerations, as I see it, for this overall project: the first is the operational benefit for the Navy, the second is the best use of taxpayers’ money and the third is the actual impact on the region. Others more qualified will give evidence today in relation to the first two matters. But certainly, as I have followed this project right through, it has been very clear that Eden is ideally suited for the type of operation that the Navy will be carrying out, particularly with their exercise areas just off the east coast of Australia. That was one of the major reasons your committee recommended that Point Wilson was not appropriate—the very long distance from the east coast training area down to Point Wilson. I would just like to make a few comments, particularly with respect to the impact on the region. I have looked very closely at the draft environmental impact statement. I have not seen a copy of the supplementary to that as yet. It confirms that the project can be carried out to meet very strict environmental benchmarks. And I think others here today will be able to give further evidence in relation to that. It also confirms the very positive effect that this project will have on the town and the region. The region that can benefit from this project is far more than just Eden. In my work around my electorate, I have received very positive input from people well north along the coast, in the mountains and right up to the Canberra area. Industries and others are very interested in and may benefit from the likelihood of a multipurpose wharf in Eden. In previous evidence that I gave to the committee in submissions, I highlighted the sorts of job losses that this area has had to take over the last decade or so, where traditional industries such as timber, fishing and agriculture have all seen reductions in the work force. Since our last Public Works Committee hearing in Eden, we have also had the closure of the Heinz cannery, which put out of work 12 per cent of the town’s work force. This had a huge impact on the town. Therefore, I think this project became even more important as a result of that further major change in the fishing industry. There are quite a number of emerging industries in the region, things like tourism, aquaculture and horticulture. I believe they are very important and they will be growing. This particular project with a Navy presence here can act very much as an economic stabiliser in some respects, even though the project in the long term does not employ large numbers of people, and that is well accepted by people. It is understood. It is more that stabilising effect that that sort of