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GIR 03 Redefining the Superhero G Willow Wilson: The tensions surrounding the issue of Muslims in America and the way that we've been speaking about the Muslim community in politics made people take a step back and think and say, okay is this really a character that we'd want to show in a skimpy outfit or do we need to take a step back and say there's another way to portray this character. I think unfortunately for other characters in that same age range, nobody's taking that step back. Jamie Broadnax: Welcome to Get It Right. You know us by now. We're the new podcast series from Rewire, analyzing pop culture through the lens of social justice. I am your host Jamie Broadnax, the managing editor of blackgirlnerds.com and the host of the Black Girl Nerds podcast. Today we are incredibly excited to speak with G. Willow Wilson, one of the most important and prolific writers in the world of comics. She's currently writing the Hugo Award winning series Ms. Marvel for Marvel Comics, and her debut novel, Alif the Unseen, won the World Fantasy Award for best novel. She's also a practicing Muslim, like her character Ms. Marvel. We thought Willow would be the perfect person to talk to us about redefining what superheroes look like, believe in, and wrestle with, as well as the comic book industry's mixed report card on race and gender representation on the page and behind it. Let's get into it. Thank you so much Willow for coming on this show. This is so amazing. G Willow Wilson: Thank you so much for having me. Happy to be here. Jamie Broadnax: If you had to guess how many times you've had to recount your life story about how you got into comics in an interview, how many times would you have to say that? G Willow Wilson: It's been a lot. If it helps other people pursue the comic book path and get excited about getting into the industry, then I don't mind talking about it. It's a great time to be in comics and I'm excited to see more voices in comics. If that helps people, then I'm happy to talk about it. Jamie Broadnax: Would you mind terribly recounting some of those life stories one more time for us? G Willow Wilson: Sure. Happy to. I've been a comic book person, reader, aficionado since I was 10 years old. In 5th grade health class they gave us this anti-smoking PSA starring the X-Men. You can find this thing online, I think it's called Smoke Screen. I'm not 100 percent positive about that. It features the X-Men rescuing this high school track star who's taken up smoking and it's going to destroy his athletic career. They swoop in and tell him to straighten out his life. It must've worked because I never took up smoking, but the thing that really stuck with me were these characters and their amazing costumes and abilities and their life mission of just making things slightly better and using their powers for good. I started reading the X-Men. I was super into the nineties X-Men cartoon, which was on Fox Kids. Jamie Broadnax: Yes. The animated series. Yes. G Willow Wilson: Yes. Oh my God I was so obsessed. It was like a religious experience every single Saturday to watch the new episode and those cheesy cliffhangers that they did. I would be on tenterhooks all week. It was just amazing. I've recently gone back and started rewatching it though and I don't recommend it. Keep it pristine in your memory. Jamie Broadnax: I know because it was a really campy, cheesy show when you go back and watch those episodes. G Willow Wilson: It was. Yeah. Jamie Broadnax: Yeah. Did you ever read, because I was so hooked on the animated series, did you ever read the comic book that was based on the animated series? G Willow Wilson: No. I read the comic books that the animated series was based on. Some of this since happened a few years earlier, but I went back and read the Chris Claremont X-Men, the Dark Phoenix Saga, all that stuff. Are you talking about X-Men 93? That one? The more recent one? Jamie Broadnax: Yeah. It's called X-Men Adventures was the name of the comic book. G Willow Wilson: Oh yeah. I heard about that one. Jamie Broadnax: Yeah. That's how I got a huge major crush for Gambit. Gambit was like my first cartoon crush. G Willow Wilson: Yes. Jamie Broadnax: I know he came out- G Willow Wilson: The accent. Jamie Broadnax: His character was developed in 1990, so yeah, the X-Men Adventures put me onto Gambit. G Willow Wilson: That's awesome. Yeah. Him and Wolverine, or specifically whoever that voice actor was for Wolverine, was definitely an awakening for me as a tween. Jamie Broadnax: When I read Wolverine, I have that guy's voice in my head when I'm reading his words. Page 2 of 8 G Willow Wilson: Right? Yes. Jamie Broadnax: It really stuck with me. G Willow Wilson: Absolutely. Jamie Broadnax: Let's talk about Ms. Marvel. Your comic Ms Marvel is headlined by Kamala Khan. She's an awkward teenage Muslim girl of Pakistani decent and it's broken so much ground. Can you tell listeners who might not have read it a little bit more about her? G Willow Wilson: Sure. Kamala Khan, as you've said, is a 16 year old Pakistani American Muslim girl from Jersey City who literally one night wakes up with super powers, which is the result of something called the Terragen Mist which causes people with inhuman genes to go into a cocoon and when they come out they change and they've got powers. You don't have to remember any of that, or know anything about it, to enjoy the series. She, having these powers, has to figure out what they are, how do they work, and what do they mean for her, what is she meant to do with them. It's very much a coming of age story. It's about a girl figuring out not only who she's going to be as an adult, who she's going to be as a person, but also who she's going to be as a superhero and figuring out her persona, her costume, who she tells, who she keeps it a secret from. We get to all go along with her as she does all that and also battles mutated clones of Thomas Edison with the head of a cockatiel and various other bad guys who plague her home town of Jersey City. It's fun, it's specifically meant to appeal to a broad age range and not to rely to too heavily on continuity so that people who might not be into the big superhero events can still get into it hopefully. Jamie Broadnax: You've added a lot of cultural details to Kamala's story. What were some of the ones that you felt strongest about including? G Willow Wilson: This was something that Sana Amanat, the editor, and Adrian Alphona, the original series artist, and I talked about a lot before the first issue even hit stands. We knew that this was something we had to get exactly right. There was a lot of attention on the book, there were a lot of varying expectations about what it was going to be. what we all decided that we wanted the series to be very early on was authentic. Part of that was building in Kamala's flaws, the things that make her imperfect, to try to make her experience reflect as closely as we could and as compassionately as we could the real lived experiences of non-superpowered, but still awesome, Pakistani American girls growing up in our modern era. That came with some choices. I wear the hijab, the head covering, but the majority Page 3 of 8 of young Muslim American women, and particularly young Pakistani American women, do not wear the hijab so that decision was made early on that she would wear it in situations where it was religiously and culturally appropriate. You see her wearing one in the mosque, but that she wouldn't wear one in her day to day life. Then there was the back story of her family and their relationships, which were also very important because we wanted her to be grounded, we wanted her day to day life to be a big part of the series. There's plenty of punching bad guys and whatnot, but there's also a big emphasis on her relationship with her friends and her family and how that changes over time. We needed her parents to be fully fleshed out, we needed her brother to be fully fleshed out. What was important to me and to Sana was to show that American Muslims are not monolithic, that there is no one stereotype that fits everybody, and that, like all families, not everybody in the same family believes the same thing or behaves in the same way and that you can get arguments about what's right, what's wrong, what's appropriate, what's not appropriate, but that it's done with the same kind of love and oftentimes hilarity that happen in all families.
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