Students are good to the last drip Students have a clean record with the He said students seldom realize the "It just nourishes the attitude of ac­ Alcoholism Foundation. risk of early drinking. cepting alcohol which is so prevalent to­ "We've yet to have a university stu­ "If alcohol is important to a person day." dent referred to us," said B.C. Alcoholism at 18," he said, "it won't be less important (The Ubyssey's Miss 50-Megaton con­ Foundation director of education Harold to him at 25." test closed Monday. Winner will be an­ Huggins at UBC Monday. • • • nounced Thursday.) "It is wrong to think there is a lot of He criticized The Ubyssey for offering Huggins favored establishing a pub drinking on campus." on campus. two cases of beer as prize in its Miss 50- Huggins said, however, that drinking "It would be an ideal social setting," Megaton contest. by students is increasing as alcohol is he said. "But of course the law would more generally accepted by society. "It is presumptuous to offer liquor as have to be observed. He said the main reason for student a prize in any contest," he said. "This is "An under-age university student could drinking is group pressure. unthinking. not be given any special privileges."

city THE USYSSEYnewspape r Vol. XLV VANCOUVER, B.C., TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 1962 No. 29 Posh UBC city planned Border incident Realtors unveil rocks Kingston KINGSTON (CUP)—For the second time this year, the stu­ $150 million deal dent newspaper at Queen's By GREYDON MOORE University has recognized— A giant real estate firm wants to build a new city on UBC's however prematurely—t h e national sovereignty of the endowment lands. 'province of Quebec. The scheme of Webb and Knapp (Canada) Ltd. would include: In a story on a trip by Mc­ • a posh residential section Williston confirmed Monday the Gill students to Queen's The including six subdivisions of government is considering pro­ Journal says: "Apparently apartments and homes to house posals to develop the Endow­ their border crossing into 35,000 ment Lands. Canada was uneventful." • a civic centre At the moment, they have the . • areas for commercial firms Robert Turner report of 1957 on and light industry firms which land development, plus Webb are not noisy and which do not and Knapp's proposal, he said. Door opens emit smoke. A few other firms have shown MODEL COMMUNITY they are interested too, he said. Webb and Knapp submitted But nothing is laid down at franchise the proposal to Victoria last the moment as policy, he said. spring in the form of a nine-foot Development would have to square model. The self-contain­ be done as a long-range invest­ to students ed city is estimated to cost be­ ment at a rate favorable for profit, he said. Present money The door to the voting booth tween $150-300 million. E. R. Loftus, assistant vice- for this kind of investment is is open for UBC students. president of Webb and Knapp, not easily available. Chief Electoral officer Fred declined Monday to comment ON OWN Hurley said Monday students on public information which, he And any money used for en­ said, did not come from his of­ who sleep in Point Grey will be dowment land development fice. allowed to vote if they meet now, he continued, would draw "We have submitted a pro­ on the funds being used for Uni­ other Elections Act require­ posal to government," he said, versity expansion. ments. "but we are not willing to dis­ Williston pointed out that COURT RULING cuss it now. *»* GOV'T CONFIRMS Webb and Knapp went ahead The decision followed a —Don Hume photo entirely on their own initiative County Court ruling by Judge "They (the government) have in drawing up their proposed REGISTERING for vote in Point Grey byelection, student all seen our scheme, and any A. H. J. Swencisky allowing scheme whereby, they feel, de­ watches as election officer fills in eligibility card. Booth is prerogative or action taken to­ Union College student Timothy velopment could go ahead with open from 9:30 a.m. to 9 p.m. until Thursday. Court decision wards development is strictly Flegel to vote. Flegel's parents Thursday opened door to resident student vote in the Dec. 17 up to them." (Coniinued on Page Three) live in Blueberry Creek, B.C., election, after a month of haggling. Lands and Forest Minister Ray See: POSH PLAN but the judge ruled Flegel's residence is here. City registrar of voters Ken Morton said 2,000 students who registered to vote earlier this year at booths set up on campus need not re-apply. "They are now on the voter's list," Morton said. Students wishing to register for the Dec. 17 byelection can do so at a registration booth outside the AMS office in Brock Hall from 9:30 a.m. to 9 p.m. every day until Thursday. FEW REJECTED Morton also disclosed Monday that less than 100 students had been turned down at the Court of Revision held to determine the eligibility of persons who , registered for the vote. Candidates in the byelectioti are Liberal Dr. Pat McGeer, New Democrat Antony Holland, ? Conservative Reg Atherton, and Socred Mrs. Eve Burns-Miller. Proposed endowment lands scheme would cover area in dotted lines. Library is circled. Page 2 THE UBYSSEY Tuesday. November 20, 1962 Canadians Science will replace religion ack psych UBC philosophy prof decides facilities By PETER PENZ find in the sacred writings of tes, one co-ed from the audience Religion is an irrational fa­ a primitive tribal.people," Rem­ suggested that while Socrates By ANN BURGE cade for human ignorance that nant said. recognized his limitations, Canada is 10 to 15 years be­ is dying, a philosopher said "I don't see the hand of God Christ exhibited an egocentri- hind the U.S. in the training of Monday. in it." city which might have made psychologists, an assistant pro­ Dr. Peter Remnant said Regarding private revelations, him fit for a mental institution. fessor of psychology said Mon­ people turn to a supernatural Remnant said: In the long run, Remnant day. explanation because they cannot "If someone tells me that he predicted, man will ultimately "Top psychology students explain s0ientificaily the ori­ saw God in a dream, I'd like to move away from religion. should go to the U.S. for gradu­ gin of the universe and life. know what this is supposed to ate training, said Dr. Donald * • • prove. I dream of girls." But, he said, theologians are Sampson at a noon hour meet­ Dr. Remnant rejected pure Womens week ^finding that more and- more of ing. faith on the grounds that it can­ their religious explanations are He said Ph.D. students will not substitute reason. debate cancelled being replaced by scientific rea­ receive higher pay and better "The believer just goes on be­ It's a woman's prerogative HOWARD GREEN soning. training in American schools lieving what he believes, no mat­ to change her mind. "Questions about the origin of "Maybe I'm a traitor, I don't . . . blasted by young PCs ter what the evidence is," he The same goes for Womens' the universe will eventually dis­ want to belittle what we (Can­ Week. solve in the same way," he said. said. ada) have, but the U.S. pion­ The first event of the Week, Remnant said that in the face • • • eered in the field of psycholo­ YPCs attack a debate on "Does a woman's of scientific reasoning, theolo­ "I for myself proportion my gy," Sampson said. B.A. spell Mrs?" was can­ gians rely on faith and revela­ beliefs according to the evidence "I think a student would be celled at the last moment. It Cans&rvaifve tion for the existence of God. available." better off to learft" from! the might be held in the spring Revelation; he said; consists One student in the audience source, which is the-U.S:, and term. Cuban policy of sacred writings and private asked: "Are you an animal?" then bring back to Canada experiences. Associated Women Students what he has learned," he said. TORONTO (CUP)—External Dr. Remnant said man might president Joanne Atkinson Sampson said new staff at Affairs Minister Howard Green 'When I read the Bible, un- be regarded as an animal with said the Debating Union the University of Toronto and has again come under attack inflamed by a sense of super­ a high evolutionary status. failed to supply the AWS ; McGill are mostly trained' in from Young Progressive Con­ natural illumination, then I find When Remnant drew paral­ with debaters for the meeting. U.S. methods, and are gradually servatives for his alleged "dila­ in it just about as much as I lels between Christ and Socra­ leaving behind staff trained in tory and irresponsible action in older methods. failing to back President Ken­ "With the exception of Tor. nedy's stand on Cuba." onto and McGill, UBC's under-' The Chairman of the YPC graduate program is as good as editorial board, Gordon Ross, any in Canada." demanded Green's resignation President Macdonald has pub­ at a convention at the Univer­ licly stressed the need for more sity of Toronto. graduate facilities. If we get Ross, former president of U new staff, more facilities, and of T's YPCs told the conven­ money, we should be able In tion Green had been "irrespon­ have also an M.A. program as sible for failing to back the good as any, Sampson said. American stand on Cuba im­ Provincial Elections Act "As for our Ph.D. program— mediately and without reserva­ we've never given a Ph.D. on tion." psychology," he said. The convention passed a mo­ "But we now have one lady tion expressing confidence in Provincial By-Election in the final stages. Green after a defence of Green's "She will be our first Ph.D. policy by Veterans Affairs Pending and we hope to soon be turn ing Minister Gordon Churchhill. out more of them." •Sampson said that one reason for the lack of psychology stu­ HANS GMOSER VANCOUVER-POINT GREY ELECTORAL DISTRICT dents working for Ph.D.'s Presents in person in- Canadian universities, is that there is tremendous com­ "To The Forbidden petition for them. 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Uniforms AND TAKE NOTICE that applications will be accepted at the following centres from S$7nwt&e4ttfo^Alberta and Cal­ whether the fellow had kissing He could not speculate on liston, andr the endowment, fund ifornia, and a detailed study of Bryson conducts them only at rehearsals, not at the per­ sweet breath, but he did say when that would be. is in the hole by a million dol­ ;world-wide changes in the geo­ he assumed if following the An Endowment Land admin- lars. magnetic field. formance, as they are unable to schedule as a whole was a cri­ PROFIT. NEEPED The Institute also continued see motions used in leading the terion, Freshie's tube hasn't Development space is avail­ work in the field of isotope band. had its cover removed since able from Marine Drive at Span­ geophysics with special empha­ Admission is 25c. Money will September. VC campus ish Banks through to Forty-first sis on lead isotopes. Field work be used by the Dag Hammar­ Freshie was frantic, but sin­ Ave. and Marine Drive. on the Athabaska Glacier in skjold Fund of the UN club to cere though, apd complained . Williston said any schemes Alberta has been continuing for send CUSO students to aid un­ he had fallen too far behind grows old considered would have to show several years. derdeveloped countries. to use his schedule in the first that the University would get term. y a profit from the land. in jig time The University administrative • * • board would be consulted before VICTORIA (CUP)—Victoria "Come second term Show- any move was made, he added. College's new campus is grow­ ever," he said, "and . . ." University officials said they ing old fast. did not know the details of Another of Freshie's origi­ A broken water main flood­ Webb and Knapp's proposal. nals was the 25 minutes alloted ed one of the new buildings Real estate developers Webb to drop over to Izzy Mac to with four inches of water and and Knapp are currently build­ visit Hagnes (name changed, seriously damaged the cement ing Flemmingdon Park in Tor­ floor. not awfully though, to protect onto, a giant commercial-indus­ Following serious damage to me). No doubt he made up for trial-residential complex costing Glenayr the new gym on the campus, it more than $100 million. his schedule failings by more has been closed to further stu­ UNIQUE SCHEME than living up to this hard and dent dances. As far as they and University fast rule. Freshie, I fancy, During the dance, the basket­ officials know, their scheme for grew fat on this one. ball floor was ruined and will the endowment lands puts UBC You laugh at Freshie, but have to be refinished. in a unique position in Canada may hands are tied. I, too, am Washrooms were heavily dam­ in that such development would ' a schedulist. Unlike Freshie aged. take place in respect to Univer­ I'm not a fanatic at it. I've left The incidents have forced the sity revenue and expansion. my toiletry to discretion and Victoria student council to is­ University of Washington gets FINE need. But ah, ah'h a schedulist. sue a directive stating further extraordinary revenue from a "unseemingly" behavior by stu­ solid square mile of endowment BOTANY WOOL • • • dents will result in the suspen­ land in the heart of Seattle's SWEATERS Take the first month when sion of all campus social business section, known as the things kept piling up and up, gatherings. ''Metropolitan Tract," UBC pub­ ARE MACHINE lic relations officer Jim Banham and fresh air seemed scarce as • * • A Victoria College student, told The Ubyssey. WASHABLE! eulogies on Scott. Mai Potts, has been suspended Did I settle down that fate­ from all Victoria student acti­ Yes, put them through the auto- ful October eve with missed vities for the remainder of the malic . . . appearance, beautiful; French? I did not, I made a academic year because he threw touch, warm and gentle! Kitten schedule. a lighted firecracker at Sons cf superfine Botany wool stveaters are EYEGLASSES easier than ever to care for! Freedom Doukhobour speaker Sure I shucked at four-hour UP THE SWEATER:—Chic roll Joe Podovinikoff. : effort the following night for collar 3/i sleeved dressmaker cardi­ a more elaborate and demand­ gan, raglan full-fashioned, in full ing one, but the latter was a \91 c|*95; rich shades for Fall. 34-12, at masterpiece. The pilings would I 9 ^8^ Complete $10.98. crumble. Air would be had. Bolero Party Lounge include s Frame of Your Choice. and Single Vision, Prescription.^ THE SKIRT:—Superbly tailored Scott would be eulogized. Lenses. 100%, wool worsted, dry- Available for Parties Bifocals Additional. End of joyous atmosphere. ALX EYE DOCTORS' cleanable. Colours perfectly match My masterpiece was followed, I OPTOMETRISTS & OCULISTSl all Kitten Botany sweaters. 8-20, Weddings—Banquets—etc. I EYEGLASS PRESCRIPTIONS! and then only in part, for one PILLED $14.98. At better shops every­ lousy day. Things had piled NIGHT CLUB ATMOSPHERE GRANVILLE where. beyond the reach of a schedule CATERING OPTIONAL OPTICAL LTD. and I was left alone. MU 3-8921 861 Granville, Vancouver I didn't want good marks Re 8-7910 "Repairs While You Wait" anyway. Who wants to be EYE EXAMINATIONS Gf2-4 Without this label t$t&L&\ it is not a genuine KITTEN. * known as a bookworm? Page 4 THE UBYSSEY Tuesday. November 20, 1962 Editorials THE UB YSSEY Winner of the Southam Trophy Authorized as second class mail by the Post Office Department, Decision to register is students Ottawa, and for payment of postage in cash. Published three times weekly throughout the University year in Vancouver say, a byelection be called in that area this sum­ by the Alma Mater Society, University of B.C. Editorial opinions expressed The case has been won, the decision has are those of the Editor-in-Chief of The Ubyssey and not necessarily those been made and. now the onus is on the students mer. If a general provincial election is called, of the Alma Mater Society or the University of B.C. Telephone CA 4-3242. to get out and register for the Point Grey by- the student will have to vote as an absentee Locals: Editor—25; News—23; Photography—24. election. from Point Grey—not in the area he is staying Member Canadian University Press in the summer. Edilor-in-chief: Keith Bradbury Test case Timothy Flegel has made it pos­ Managing Editor Denis Stanley sible for at least 5,000 students who live at or The answer to the problem is to institute Associate Editor Fred Fletcher near the university to vote. double residence privileges for students, as we News Editor Mike Hunter have suggested before, but since there seems City Editor M. G. Valpy The liberals, NDP and The Ubyssey each Picture Editor —- Don Hume little likelihood of this in the near future, stu­ supported the fight to get the vote. Further Layout: Bill Millerd action is up to the students. dents must choose a place to vote. REPORTERS: Ann Burge, Lorraine Shore, Peter Penz, Nicky For instance, students must decide just how Another point to consider is that many stu­ Phillips, Ron Riter, Ian Sandulak, Greydon Moore, Nonna Weaver, Heather Virtue, Janet Matheson, Tim Padmore. badly they want to vote here. dents will be finished their Christmas exams SPORTS: At least George Railton, Janet Currie, and Glenn Many students "whose parents live" in the by the time the election rolls around, Dec. 17. Schultz, plus Danny Stoffman, Donna Morris. interior or outside the metropolitan area might They may be enroute to their parents' homes TECHNICAL: Clint Pulley, Jo Britten and Gail Andersen. wish to remain registered in their parents' and not need the vote anyway. CUT-OUTS: Rayner. home riding. They may feel more loyal to the Each student who intends to register in this ;. ~" J area, or may feel they know the candidates and riding for the next election must consider all issues in that riding better. It is the student's these problems. choice now. Answer the questions posed above. Then Letters to the Editor The point for these students to remember get out and vote. The student vote could be a is that if they register in Point Grey, they can­ deciding factor for any candidate in this elec­ Disagreement of the outcome affect the "free tion. not register to vote in another riding. Should Editor, will" of the drivers? No! Of The Ubyssey , course not, for the fact that Dear Sir: ,you were watching had no ef­ Whose plug gets the plugs? We find it necessary to set fect on the accident. Mr. Buzan straight on his ill- In reference to your concept Every university has its status symbol. given out ahead of time by the administration founded logic regarding his of God's intervention in evil, on some mysterious basis. comments on "an all-good, all- may we point out that evil At this University, the big men on campus does not exist of itself; rather, are the ones who get a faculty parking sticker Might even be that they're giving the plugs wise God." to the students who (gasp) get good marks. Starting with the premise being a negation of good, it has so they can park behind Brock Hall. that God does not exist, you, been created by man himself! At the University of Manitoba, things are a Mr. Buzan, proceed with two By intervening, God would, in- • deed, destroy man's iree will. little different. If you don't have a parking illogical arguments and refute your own topic statement by May we add, too, that out of place with a plug, you're nobody. Muffled sound car asking for a definition of some­ evil God draws much good, If you can't park close to a plug, you better thing which you believe non­ perhaps even the conversion We keep hearing voices. Loud, booming of you, Mr. Buzan. bring a hot water bottle to keep your block voices. existent. Perhaps you would from cracking. Things are tough enough al­ accept God's own definition of Yours truly, They disrupt us in classrooms, they cut in himself: "I am Who am." KATHLEEN TOWNSEND ready. on enjoyable conversations, they drown out im­ It appears also that you can­ Education I. portant interviews, they interrupt peaceful It used to be that plugs were grabbed by not differentiate between free RAE FERRIS the best athletes, who could intimidate every­ study, they wake up sleeping Fort Campers. will and foreknowledge. An Arts I. body else and shove into the line at the end of Usually it is much noise about nothing. example perhaps might clarify which plugs were allotted on a first come first The voices come from mobile Badsoc—The these terms for you. If you Bad taste served basis. The boxing team was real big on Sound Car. It drives around campus daily ad­ were standing on the top floor Editor, campus. vertising events for people who can't read. of a building and in the street The Ubyssey, Now, things have changed. Plug day is gone Rules should be set down which would con­ below you saw two cars head­ Dear Sir: forever. trol the volume, and the areas where speaking ing for a certain collision, I am in full accord with the New regulations this year have the plugs is allowed. The sound car should be muffled. would your "foreknowledge" right of any man or group to declare himself as a believer or disbeliever, or what have you. However, upon seeing a poster stating "why I do not believe in God" in bold phos­ Oxford: town of colleges and crumpets phorescent letters placed By LORRENE GORDON proper kitchen facilities, closet though I'm sure that it must be smack in front of Brock, I was meadows, which goes right completely overtaken with a Commonwealth Scholar down to the river, and Magda­ space and telephones. I have wonderful to be an under­ Everything people say about to take my washing right to graduate here, part of a real strong urge to throw up right len Deer park which provides in the centre of this abortion Oxford, both good and bad, is the other end of town to do it community of scholars, not a thoroughly Constable land­ of bad taste. absolutely true. With regard scape. in a laundromat and even then subject to a lot of academic first to the town itself, it is the drier does not get things organization such as compul­ I realize one must tolerate The university buildings gimmick advertising but on old, charming, quaint—entire­ dry, with the result that wash­ sory attendance at lectures, on form the rather small centre the subject of religion, gim­ ly fascinating. Almost all build­ of town, most of the colleges ing and drying clothes takes the other hand, the business of ings are of stone or brick, most having to be in early and to micks have no place. facing on the town's four main up one full afternoon, and Yours truly, of the streets are lined with streets, or just off them. means having to drape a observe many other regula­ high stone walls, and the pave­ tions seems to me to be rather CHRIS WOOTHEN, Around this nucleus there are clothesline in front of my Commerce I. ment, both of roads and walk­ several other areas which are electric fireplace for another an incursion into one's privacy ing space, is flagstone. not quite so interesting. Ox­ day. • * • As far as graduate students Sign-happy Many of the colleges are ford is the home of Morris Nor do I have access to a are concerned there are most Editor, really beautiful, particularly motors as well as of learning telephone—there isn't a single certainly other places which The Ubyssey, the older ones such as Magda­ and hence the outskirts are one in the building, and I have have more to offer in the way Dear Sir: len, Balliol, Merton, and quite industrialized, with ra­ to go out to a pubic booth at of social life, and general abili­ On my nightly hike to C lot Christchurch. Some of the ther drab housing areas ad­ the end of the sreet. ty to enter into the student the other evening, I was dis­ others, such as Keble College, joining the factory area. These What I feel most about the tracted by stapling sounds. It built in the 19th century, suf­ houses tend to be small, life. Here, if you are not liv­ town, as you might expect, is ing in college, as almost no reminded me of the often neg­ fer from the usual defects of rather poorly kept up (the its sense of tradition. All the lected side of campus life: the Victorian architectural gro- floors in my place, for ex­ graduate students are, you are students have to wear gowns really quite cut off from the student sign makers. There tesquerie. All of the old col­ ample, are giving way in some are, besides the professional to lectures and to all more or substance of Oxford student leges have towers and spires, not too few areas, and to less official functions; students posters announcing forthcom­ bars on the windows, pikes on judge from the nocturnal life and could be very, very ing events (for example: "Pre- living in college must be in by lonely if you were at all shy the top of the walls, or some­ noises in the walls, the place 10:30 or have written permis­ Med Club Presents: Permanent times broken glass!, and heavy is a haven for mice), not more or retiring. However, it goes Poster, Do Not Remove"), sion from someone or other to without saying that the train­ arched doorways with gar­ than two stories high, narrow, stay out until 12! After that many fine illustrations of ama­ goyle knockers. draughty, all the same, all of ing, the eminent people giving teur art around this university. you are simply ultra vires and lectures, and the chance to There are also many old red brick with 2x4 gardens liable to fines, the amount of One is always stepping on such churches, some dating from as behind, and of course are work under a supervisor who beauties as "Cuba Si" or "Cu­ which varies with the college is probably a top scholar in his early as the 15th century, and wholly devoid of what we re and the infraction. You can of ba No," depending on which one old Saxon tower which gard as conveniences of mod­ field make up for a great deal. side of the street you are walk­ course, be sent down (expelled, For my own part, I am dates from about the 10th or ern living. that is!) for such things as ing. High up on the walls of 11th century. rather lucky in that being a many buildings, one can see • • - • staying out all night without B. Litt. student, I am required Some of the colleges are, of the mildly aggressive "Puff Central heating is, of course, permission. The walls around to take certain courses and this course, very old. Balliol is and Jane Strike Again," and unheard of, but contrary to all of the colleges were origin­ does provide the occasion for celebrating its 700th anniver­ so forth. what people say, rooms can be ally intended to keep the meeting other students; unfor­ sary this year, but it is reck­ In general, I say this to you very well heated with oil or townsfolk out, but are used tunately, it does not really oned that Merton is the oldest, anonymous artists: Elevate electric fireplaces and I cannot now for the sole purpose of leave the way open to meet predating Balliol by some 20 your works, maybe some day honestly say that I have found keeping the students in, a students who are in other years of so. Each college also they'll end up on the ceiling, this lack to be really aggra­ rather regrettable .perversion fields, one of the very best has lovely grassy quads, and out of sight forever. vating. What is aggravating, of tradition I feel. Thus, the facets of undergraduate Ox­ many of them., have special ALAN MARLATT7 however, is the lack of. things traditions have both their ford student life. features such as Christchurch like washing machines, driers, good and their bad side. Al­ Arts 3. Tuesday, November 20, 1962 THE UBYSSEY Page 5 College Comments What is Real for besides Real? From The Varsity, Univer­ moon was destined to be a Thompson calls, "my strong working man, and that the used to provide interest-free sity of Toronto, Toronto, short one for Caouette. right arm." debt system, which spawns credit to business and industry Ontario. Through the combined efforts ever-increasing tax burdens, in order to provide Canadians of the Liberals and the Union Final days was basically responsible for with jobs. "Let's employ our Only days before the last these difficulties. With the Canadian federal election, Na.tionale, in 1949, he lost his During the final days lead­ people," he pleaded, "not sub­ seat, polling more than 10 fury of a William Jennings sidize their unemployment." Langevin Cote reported in the ing to June 18 reached the Bryan, he denounced the Toronto Globe and Mail, "Pub­ times the tally of his Conserva­ tive opponent but losing to the high point of popularity in his "Divine Right" of capital. lic opinion polls have shown career, thus far. Wherever he Eve of triumph Liberal, Comparing taxation to serf­ rapidly rising support (for went he attracted capacity The results of his campaign The years following this de­ dom, and calling it "confisca­ Social Credit). Often Socred crowds, tripling the audiences in Quebec speak for them­ meetings have outpulled those feat were politically lean years tion," he declared, "between selves. When questioned on his for Real. However, in 1957, at attracted by Lester Pearson being a slave and a free man, of the other parties. The con­ and John Diefenbaker in Que­ eve of triumph Caouette de­ sensus is that Social Credit the annual congress of the I'll choose to be a free man." clared, "You haven't seen any­ bec City. His arms waving will elect at least wo mem­ Union des Electeurs, he be­ "I will fight to the bone if any thing yet—wait until the next bers." came the centre of a mild Que­ and perspiration flying from government tries to increase election and then watch us his face, this Social Credit dy­ the taxes. Increase the exemp­ The most liberal estimates bec revolution, which gave sweep the province and the namo would tell the people of tions, increase the family al­ conceded only a maximum of birth on June 4 of the follow­ country." There was a time lowance, but please not more five or six victories for Social ing year to the Ralliement des his province that interest rates when the old-line parties of taxes." Credit in Quebec. But when Creditistes. Using television are too high, that taxation has Quebec laughed scornfully at the ballots were counted the with the success equal to Wil­ tripled in Canada since 1953, Like his Socred colleagues, this fiery orator but today Creditistes claimed no less liam Aberhart's radio broad­ that the cost of living index is he insisted that the industrial they are not taking him so than 26 parliamentary seats casts in Alberta during the becoming unbearable for the development bank should be lightly. and all of Canada sat down to early thirties, Caouette then analyse the upset. The story of commenced the campaign this phenomenon is the story which was concluded on June of Real Caouette, deputy na­ 18, 1962. "Most of the people tional leader of the Social out there weren't friendly," he 'Lots of money, no freedom' Credit party. recalls. "They were the enemy. It was during the pre-war I had to go after them the days of 1939 when Real Caou­ hard way. I had to fight." US college press surveyed ette was first introduced to Social Credit. It was love at From The McGill Daily Autonomous student govern­ pers reserve for themselves first sight. From June 15, 1941, Fight begins McGill University ment on the Canadian pattern the right to take sides in stu­ Caouette became a frequent Caouette fought, and Social Montreal, Quebec is virtually unknown in the dent elections, which are gen­ speaker at pro-Social Credit Credit supporters across the The 38th annual conference U.S. and on many campuses erally fought in an atmosphere Union des Electeurs, meetings. province multiplied with every of the (American) Associated student government is held in reminiscent of the last days of This was the beginning of the broadcast of his TV filmc. Collegiate Press, which took extremely low esteem, being the Weimar Republic. campaign which culminated in While Quebec Conservatives place during September in regarded as either a farce ("all Detroit, was attended by 942 they do is pass resolutions") or Elections bitter placing 26 French-language were disguising the fact that In many cases indigenous Social Creditors in Ottawa. they belonged to the same delegates from 371 campus the puppet of the university. publications in 37 states, the Admittedly, this is only what campus political parties exist, Caouette fought his first party as John Diefenbaker, which seem to be often control­ • election in 1945, when the Social Credit candidates District of Columbia and Can­ I heard from the student edit­ ada. The editor of the McGill ors, many of whom may be led by rival coalitions of fra­ death of a Liberal member throughout Quebec proudly ternities. Needless to say this forced a byelection in the identified themselves with the Daily attended, and published biased. the following report. creates the chance of bitterness Quebec constituency of Pontiac. man on TV who had become as A few papers preserve their between the student govern­ "I've got 40 minutes to go," familiar to his viewers as their Yearbooks and magazines independence by charging a ment and the newspaper. The he began, "so let's just hold next door neighbours. were represented as well as price to students who pick up result is a continuous struggle on boys and see what the In 1961, riding a crest of newspapers; the newspapers, the paper, and in this manner for power which would stymie Liberals and Conservatives Quebec suport, and with the which dominated the confer­ cover all their expenses except most Washington correspond­ have been doing to this aid of British Columbia's Ben­ ence, ranged from the mighty those covered by advertising ents, and can hardly be con­ country." nett Caouette almost captured Minnesota Daily, with its revenues. ducive to effective student $200 thousand budget, to the The speech that followed was National leadership of Social . Several of the campus pa­ government. Credit, being defeated by R. N. weekly and bi-monthly emana- , a fiery denunciation of the tions of obscure "liberal arts" two old-line parties. This was Thompson in a close fight. Afterwards Caouette became colleges in deepest Dixie. his first campaign. He won the It is perhaps difficult to " seat by 1,033 votes. the deputy national leader of The vanishing Indian the party, forming what draw generalizations from This first legislative honey­ such a mass of dissimilar phen­ omena, but a few may be ven­ tured. Canada's Mississippi — As others see us Role different From The Ryersonian [ In the first place, the con­ Ryerson Institute of Technology, Toronto, Ontario From The Ryersonian cept of the role of a college While Canadians sit back and groan over the segregation- Ryerson Insitute of Technology, Toronto, Ontario newspaper in the United States al problems of the southern United States, integration of the When the next federal election rolls around, .don't be sur­ seems to differ from that held Canadian Indian into Canadian society is being thwarted. in Canada. In many and prob­ prised to see the Social Credit party making strong gains — The Indian population of Canada whiclli once numbered especially in the west. ably most of the schools whose delegates I spoke to, the news­ 220,000 presently stands at 185,000. These 185,000 live on 2,200 In both provinces, nrovincial Socred sunporters have tracts of land which are scattered across the Dominion. The voted Conservative in federal elections simply because Social paper is considered primarily as a training ground for pro­ tracts of land, called reservations, are neatly tucked away in Credit has never been a strong force on the national scene. fessional journalists rather the backwoods in order that the Indian red will not mix with Few of them, however, are die-hard party men. than as a means of expressing the Canadian white. As the Conservatives and their "conventional" economists student opinion. The minute the white man landed on Canadian soil he at Ottawa flounder in a morass of debt, what do westerners took advantage of the gullible and somewhat primitive Indian. see (hanpening under Canada's.two "funny money" govern­ The corollary to this is that the newspaper is conceived of The French and English received thousands of dollars worth ments? as a combination laboratory of pelts for a handful of mirrors and other trinkets. Is this a British Columbia showed a surplus of over $30,000,000 and publicity organ for the fair exchange? last year. The province's public debt is based on four crown school of journalism. The re­ Disease, caused by the white man, has left an ugly scar agencies which together made a total profit of $20,000,000. , sult of this is the all-out uni­ There is no provincially-originated austerity in B.C. as in the history of the Indian. As early as 1786 it began to be versal phenomenon of the felt. The Cree nation which numbered 15,000 was withered the government continues its vast expansionist program — faculty adviser. including new roads, bridges, coastal ferry boats and the down to 3,000 by small pox. This happened in two years. The faculty adviser is a per­ The white man's rifle enabled him to slaughter large Peace River power project. son, usually but not always a Alberta's economy has never been healthier than right professor, nominated by the numbers of buffalo and caribou. Soon the herds began to dis­ now. Social Credit has been strongly in power there since university to supervise the col­ appear. Eventually the squaws became thin and the tepees 1934 and there's no sign that the public support is dwindling. lege paper. In some cases his were without meat. Then, the Canadian government stepped "Sure, the oil discoveries have helped the Socreds keep function is filled by making in and protected the herds The Indian, dependent on the the province in good financial shape," one oil magnet said the paper responsible to a herds, had to be protected too. The Indian is still being pro­ recently. 'But I don't know pf any man who can get us a "publications board" with stu­ tected. The government nurses him and wonders why he better price for our oil than Ernest Manning." dent and faculty representa­ cannot adapt himself to Canadian society. For many western voters, the choice next election will tives. In others there is just Now the Indian earns his living from two basic methods, simply be one based on results — efficiency at home versus one adviser. farming and trapping. The farms are located in the old re­ apparent chaos at Ottawa. serves. The soil is poor and so is the living. Trapping has be­ Now Social Credit is making itself known federally, the He who pays . . . come an existence living. r provincial voters could very well withdraw their support from Many papers are published The future of the Indian is far from optimistic. The re­ an apparently crumbling Conservative machine to give the with the financial support of serves have been exhausted. He sinks lower and lower into federal Socreds a chance. the university administration, deprivation. What will happen to that once proud and fearless which may or may not operate v And a strong western vote would give weight to Mr. race? It appears that the defeat of General Custer by Sitting Thompson's leadership of the party, perhaps putting a damper through the student govern­ Bull at the battle of Little Big Horn was the last victory for on the exuberant but somewhat irresponsible Mr. Caouette. ment. the North American Indian. . (Jpage 6 THE UBYSSEY Tuesday. November 20, 1962 Birds storm to puck win Storm warnings were flying in Chilliwack when the Thunder­ bird hockey team swept in for a 7-1 victory over the Chilliwack Wosks. set. Friday night games will be Assistant coach Bob Hind- played in Kerrisdale Arena at march, who took over" the 5:30 and Saturday games in the team while Father Bauer was North fchore Winter Club at in the East, gave all his players 8:30. equal ice-time, and the Birds The Canuck game has been still came up with an easy vic­ set for Jan. 22 but the Arena ' tory. hasn't been decided upem. Birds held the advantage all the way, scoring twice in the first period, three times in the second and picking up two more Birds, Braves in the third period. The lone Wosks goal came early in the third period on a win weekend bad bounce and a break-away. BIRD SCORERS rugby games Leading the Birds scoring spree were Terry O'Malley The UBC Thunderbirds rugby 'defence) and Micky McDowell team shut out the previously un- (forward) with two goals apiece. : efeated Rowing Club team 3-0 1 Ken Ronaldson, Boone Saturday in a hard-fought con­ Strothers, and Barry McKenzie test at Brockton Oval. each scored singles, i . The two teams were at each Birds had the best of the play others throats for the whole 60 throughout the game, but could minutes.. In all 17 penalties only manage to put one try on were handed out; 10 going to the scoresheet. the Birds and seven to the Chil­ "It was a very good game," liwack team. coach Albert Laithwaite said, The Birds fired 52 shots at the —Don Hume photo Chilliwack goalie, while Ken "although it was sloppy in a MOVING IN for d check,'UBC captain Keith Watson (back to camera) attempts to take the Broderick handled 31 in the few parts. That try by Bob May ball TFOITY St. Andrews' Robbie Chalmers (whi e jersey). Leg in centre belongs to unidentified UBC nets. was really a beautiful effort." UBC player. Birds'-.Ron Cross ts^ in backgrourvd. UBC won match 4-1 Saturday to move into A return match has been semi-finals of Imperial Cup soccer playoff. TIE FOR SECOND scheduled for the latter part of Rowing Club and UBC both January. This time the Valley have one loss on their record* team will be fortified by play­ now, and as a result are in a scores ers from the other teams in the tie with each other for second league. place behind undefeated Kats. STARS IN TORONTO The Birds will meet Kats this Father Bauer was joined in Saturday afternoon in XfBC in Imperial Cup play-offs Toronto yesterday by four of stadium in a game that will de­ By -DANNY STOFFMAN j his Thunderbirds. Two more left cide UBC's chances of winning UBC's soccer Thunderbirds, in an impressive warmup for this morning. The Birds ' com­ the Miller £up. bine forces with' the Toronto •this week's California jaunt, squashed St. Andrews 4-1 Saturday. In other first division play,^ Metro -Junior all-stars for a The game, at Mclnnes Field Hoop birds UBC Braves squeezed by Mera- vancing to the semi-finals. -November 23 game against the lomas 6-5. was the quarter final of the UBC's junior teams, Braves Russian all-star team. FROSH LOSE Imperial Cup series in which and Chiefs also spent a winning play Broders Included in the first trip Birds have won three straight. weekend. Chiefs came up with east were centre Pete Kelly, In second division play, Phy- _ Last week's contest with Italians their first victories of the sea­ forward Barry Mackenzie cje. | sical Ed shut out CYO 12-0, ended in a tie, but Birds were son, dropping Washington Uni­ Thurs. noon fenceman Dave Chambers and Frosh I dropped an 11-5 decision awarded the win after a protest versity 3-0 Saturday and Col- The UBC Thunderbirds bas­ Goalie Ken Broderick. j to Wanderers, and Frosh II over Italians' use of substitutes lingwood 4-1 Sunday. They were ketball team will meet the The two who left this morn-;were clobbered. 37-0 by Ex- was upheld. sparked by Danny Pavan who powerful Lethbridge Broders ing are Micky McDowell and Gladstone. Thursday at noon in War Mem­ GOOD START leads the Mainland League third Terry O'Malley. The Frosh II team played orial gymnasium. division in scoring. Braves Home .league games have been their game two players short. ' Birds started quickly Satur­ Broders are Canada's repre­ edged Henderson 4-3 Sunday. day with goals by Jim Jamieson sentatives in the upcoming and John Harr in the first five world basketball tournament; minutes. Jamieson and Harr the Birds are the defending each added another to complete Susan Elliott Western Intercollegiate cham­ the scoring. pions. "We outplayed them all the The Broders earned the right •way," said coach Joe Johnson. breaks records to represent Canada by win­ "It was a great all-round per­ Two Canadian collegiate ning last year's Senior "A" formance. Canadian title. During the sum­ swimming records were set in GOOD OMEN mer they carried out a strenu- UBC's section of the fifth annual "The game boded well for o u s recruiting program to the Frisco trip," he said, in Canadian inter-collegiate tele­ strengthen their team for inter­ anticipation of Birds' forthcom­ graphic swim meet Saturday. national competition. ing invasion of northern Cali­ Thunderette Susan Elliott set DAVE WAY TO PLAY SPECIAL STUDENT RATES One of the players they came fornia. They leave Wednesday a new mark in the 50 yard free­ for a series of three games with up with was Dave Way, UBC's style with a time of 27.9 sec­ all-star centre last season. COMPLETE OPTICAL SERVICE Stanford, University of Cali­ Way, an outstanding shooter Glasses'Fitted fornia, and University of San onds, taking .1 seconds off the and rebounder, was one of the Francisco. old record. Contact Lenses top collegiate players in Can­ Miss Elliott also set the new After the trip, Birds will con- ada last year. Until the Broders 24-Hour Service OPTiCAL Repairs 50 yard butterfly record with tinue Imperial Cup play, ad- contacted him, he had planned a time of 29 seconds. She set the All Prescriptions Filled to continue studying—and play­ old record, 29.4 seconds, earlier ing basketball — at UBC this this year in Edmonton. Judo Club loses year. VANCOUVER BLOCK The UBC judo club was a Results of the meet won't be The Broders this year have a MU 5-0928 - MU 3-2948 disappointment in its first an­ known until early in December 4-1 won-lost record, with two nual Northwest Judo tourney when the rest of the field have narrow victories over the Uni­ Main Floor at the War Memorial gym Sat­ completed the race and all times versity of Alberta at Edmonton 734 GRANVILLE ST. urday. can be cumparea. and Calgary. They lost every event. Twenty-one universities across The Broders starting lineup Immediate Appointment UBC's two hopefuls, Bill Canada are competing in the will have Bill MacDonald and McGregor and Bob Fedoruk, meet this.year. Last, year UBC Logan Tait at guard, Dave Way NEW WESTMINSTER - 675 COLUMBIA STREET didn't place in the black belt placed second to the University and Lance Stephens at forward LA 6-8665 division. of Toronto. and Neil Desom at centre. Tuesday, November 20, 1962 THE UBYSSEY Page 7 UBC sailing team Thunderette goalie Wickland chosen beats Americans UBC's men's and women's inspirational player sailing team scored an easy has light touch' victory over their American The Varsity Women's grass-hockey team is thinking of UBC football players passed counterparts Saturday in a regatta held on Coal Harbor. leaving their goalie at home for the next Pacific Northwest Field- judgment on themselves last Hockey Conference. UBC had 104 points, Uni­ they trounced Western Washing­ •week, and Ray Wickland came versity of Washington was The meet, held in Eugene, ton 9-0, Victoria College 5-0,. out the winner. I second with 69, and Western Oregon last weekend, provided Wickland was awarded the I Washington placed third with little competition for UBC and University of Oregon 3-0 and 61 points. "Doctor Burke Memorial trophy goalie Linda Williams touched University of Washington 6-0. as the most inspirational piayer Their opponents were the University of Washington, the ball only once in the 3V2- Next Sunday the team will on the team. University of Puget Sound, day tournament: play Queen Margaret's School at "The p.ayers did the voting," I Seattle University and West­ -coach Frank Gnup said, "and, ern Washington State College. STRONG DEFENCE Duncan. they made a good choice." ! UBC's defence — Madeline CAPTAINS CHOSEN j Gemmill, Val Comas, Pat Nich­ Braves beat Kerries Wickland, in his third year JV's to meet YMCA ols, Judy Sewell, and Pam Gage * with the Varsity crew, played The UBC Jayvees basketball —rarely, let the ball get within The UBC Braves defeated? corner linebacker and fullback. team will meet YMCA at 8:30 the 25 yard line. Kerrisdale 58-51 in Junior The team also chose next I Thursday evening in King Ed­ The forward line of Cathy Men's Basketball League action year's captains, Roy Shatzko ward gym. Swan, Liz Philppt, Diane- Mc­ Saturday, at King. Ed gym. and Fred Sturrock. | In their last outing the Jay­ Kay, Meredith Alshead" and" Jen­ Pat- McKonkey with 14 points The Doctor Burke Memorial I vees bounced Braves 64-42. Bob trophy was named for UBC's RAY WICKLAND Barazzuol scored 18 points for nifer : Chapman- also proved too and- Bruce Jordan, with 13 were first football coach. , . all-star prospect the winners. strong; for their- opponents as high scorers for the Braves. Last year the award was won by Roy Bianco. ALL-STARS TO BE NAMED Bus Phillips, UBC's athletic director and secretary-treasurer NICKEL IN WORLD MARKETS...JOBS FOR CANADIANS of the Western Intercollegiate Conference, announced yester­ day that all-star line-ups for, the WCIAA will be released later this week. "Wickland should make the all-star team easily," Gnup said. "Last year the UBC team placed 11 players on the two all-con­ ference teams.

DARYL STURDY . . . stroke Daryl Sturdy, pace - setter This is the seventh in a series of sketches to in­ troduce the UBC Rowers, who are in Australia pre­ paring for the British Em­ How Canadian Nickel* helps make seawater drinkable in Kuwait pire Games. Daryl Sturdy, the stroke oar for the eight-oared It wasn't so long ago that Kuwait's drinking water had to be imported in goatskin bag$; shell, is one of the most the natural sources of water being particularly foul and brackish. Today, however, the respected members of the crew world's largest seawater evaporation plant supplies six million gallons of fresh water He is also the quietest. daily. Nickel alloys helped make this plant possible, just as they help in similar Daryl stands six feet five and one half inches, ways in other countries. Why nickel? Because nickel alloys can best withstand the and weighs 181 pounds. His home town is Port punishing effects of corrosive salt water. The growth of nickel markets at home and Alice abroad helps strengthen Canada's economy and helps provide-more jobs for Canadians. Daryl has. had-only two years of rowing experience, but his position-as stroke THE INTERNATIONAL WCKE1 COMPANY OF CANADA, LIMITED carries a lot of responsi­ • 55 YONGE STREET, TORONTO bility It is he who sets the fpace for the rest of the erew to follow. Page 8 THE UBYSSEY Tuesday. November 20, 1962 'tween classes CLASSIFIED

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