Queensland

Parliamentary Debates [Hansard]

Legislative Assembly

TUESDAY, 6 JULY 1909

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62 Question. [ASSEMBLY.] Joint Committees.

2. -n-hat quantity of land has been thrown open for selection under the perpetual leasing clauses, and the quantity selected? The SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC LANDS (Hon. D. F. I lenham, O.cley): I think the hon. member could uot have he:1rd what the Premier has j11st stated. Mr. BoWMAN: \Vhat is the object? HONOURABLE MEMBERS: \Ve did not hear him. The PREMIER: I stated that, until this motion of "want of c·mfidence" has been dis­ posed of, the Government do not intend to go on with any other business or answer any ques­ tions. Mr. MURPHY : This is the bminess of last week. Mr. MANN : They are afraid to answer ques­ tions. The SPEAKER: Order, order!

NOTICE OF MOTIOX. On the SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC IN­ STRUCTION (Hon. W. H. Barne•, Bulimua) giving notice that be would move to-morrow- That the House will, at it~ next sitting, resolve itself into a ()omrnittee of the Whole to cou.ider of the de­ sirableness of introducing a Bill to incorporate and endow the University of - Mr. HAl\'IlLTOX (Greg01·y): I rise to a point of order. Is the :Minister in order in giving notice of a motion when other hon. Inem­ bers are refused? The Chief Secretary distinct-ly stated that no other business would be gone on with. The SPEAKER: I did not quite catch the point of order. \Vill the hon. member pleaoe repeat it. 1\Ir. HAMILTON:. Is the Minister in order in giving notice of motion for the next sitting of the House when private memhers have been debarred from doing so? The Chief Secmtarr said he would not transact any busines3 and would nut answer any questions. LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY, The SPEAKER: I think th<> hori. membm· is under a, misapprehension. 1 understand the Chief Secretary to say-which is quite in >icr:ord­ TUESDAY, (i ,JcLY, lf!09. ance wlth parliarnentary lJractice--that uutil the motion now before the Chamter is disposed of he and his colleagues will decline to answer any Tb'' SPEAKB~R (Hon .•T. T. Bell, Dalb!!) took question!-', the chair at half-past 3 o'clock. Mr. \Voons: Or do any other bnsines:'. The PnB~i\l!El\: I do not intend to go on with any other bn~iness. :ELECTIOXS TRIBU~AL. The SPEAKER: That is stricUy in accord­ JcDGE FOH 1909. ance with parliamentary practice when a motion The 8PE '\.KER announced the receipt of a of the kind is before thA Chamber, but an letter fr<>m His Honour the Chief Justice. annonncernent of that kind dues not dB bar, nor intimating that His Honour Mr ..Tmtice Chubb can any act of the Chief Secretary himself would be tbe :Elections Judge for 1G09. debar, 'any member of the House, i)rivate or official, frotn giving notice uf motion for n. future date. 2\IINISTERUL STATEMENT. JOINT 001-L\IITTEES. CONDUCT OF BUSINESS. The PREMIER (Hon. \V. Kidston, Rock­ JI.IESSAGE FHOM THE COU:ICIL. hronpton) : I wish just to announce that, until The SPEAKER announced the receipt of a this vote of "no confidence" has been clisposed messa~;"e from the Council, intimating that the of, Ministers do not propoee to answer any President, Mr. l'\orton, and J\Ir. Smith had been questions or to go on with any other business. appointed members of the ,Joint Library Com­ mittee; the President, Mr. Oallan, and Mr. Murpby members of the Joint Committee for QUESTION. the Manogement of the Parliamentary Refresh­ ment-rooms; and the President, J\fr. An near, and J<'nEE HourESTEAD 0LAcsEs. Mr. Cowlishaw members of the Joint Committee Mr. SUl\INER (Nundah) asked the Secre· for the lVhnagement and Superintendence of the tary for Pubiic Lands- ParE>tmentary Buildings ; and requ8sting that 1. "\Vill he kindly give the area and location of lands the Assembly nominate a like number with a thrown open for selection under the free homestead view to give effect to the 8th Joint Standing clauses o! the Land Act of 1908 c Order. Address in Repl_y. [6 JULY.] Address in Repl_y. 63

ADDRESS IN REPLY. Parliament. \Vith the measures passed Juring \VA""T 0>' CO!\FIDENCE JliiOT!ON-RESUMPTION that session I shall deal later on, The Premier OF DEBATE. afterwarc1s called a caucus meeting of the party. He arrived late at that meeting, and phced Mr. REDWOOD (Drayton and Tomcoomuu), before it a certain statement. He told us that if who, on ru-;ing, was greeted with Opposition we did not like that statement we could get a "Hear, hears," said: I wish to make a few remarks new leader, but that if we approYed of it he on the amendment before the House. Before would place it before the Pbilp pa,rty for their doing so, I should like to say that I deeply regret acceptance or other wise. the death of the Hon. John Leahy. I knew Mr. Mr. AIREY: It had already been before them. Leahy for many year8, and cannot speak in too high praise of his integrity, and his straightfor­ Mr. REDWOOD: Here, let me say that I ward, manly character. I therefore desire to have been accused throughout the country of pay my tribute to the worth of that hon. gentle­ being at that meeting a very warm advocate for man, whom we shall miss very much from the the coalition. political life of Queenslanc'. I wish also to say GOVERX}!E!\1' lHE}llJERS : So you were. how exceedingly sorry I am at the death of l\lr. J. D. Campbell, who was esteemed in this Mr. REDWOOD: At that meeting I said House for his straightforward, manly character, that I believed in , that I and for his integrity and honour as a business believed in our leacler, that the last session had man and a pnlitician. Now, I intend first been a most productive one in good legislation of all to refer to a little political histc·ry for the country, and that I saw no reason to regarding myself. (Hear, hear!) I have desert our chief. I also said that if the Philp been accused and condemned pretty severely party were all behind the Kidston party as by the conservative Press throughout Queens­ Kid,tonites, accepting our policy, and accepting land for my action in lea,ving the Government. our leader, William Kidston, or rather the Pre­ I have been told that I have deviated from what mier, it would bP a good thing for the country. I professe-l twelve months ago. I wish clearly to \Vhat was the result? Mr. Kidston gave us no state, and in doing so I can defy contradiction alternative, remember. He simply said, "If that I have not deviated in any particular fro~ you do not accept this, you can get "' new the policy I advocated the first time I addressed leader." That was the alternative given to us. a political meeting in Qneensland. I have An HONOl;RAllLE J\IE>IBER : That was honest, fought four campaigns in Toowoomba, and on wasn't it? each occasion I have advucated the same policy. Mr. REDWOOD: Yes, I am not saying that I was defeatEd twice. On the third occasion I it was not honest. All I want h say about it is was victoriou•, and I am fighting for the same that it was practically a mild form of coercion principles to-day that I advocated at my election. applied to the party. 1\Iost of the men wh" :Mr. GRAN'r: Is that why you left the Govern­ h'd suported him did not care to desert him. ment for a portfolio? He had been their leader since they had entered the House, and they had a very keen regar·d for Mr. REDWOOD : I came into this House him, and I felt perfectly right in what I was ad':oca~ing a certain policy. I have strongly doinf( attha,t time. I acted comcientiously, and mamtamed and fought for th>tt policy, and yet I sn-id, providing thnse things \vhich I tnentioued a1n every day misrepre··-ented by V..trious journals were carried out I was perfectly satisfied. throughout the State, which .;tate that I have de­ parted from the principles which I had so long Mr. McLO,\HY: You did not know him as well advocated. then as you do now. (Laughter.) l\Ir. CmvAP: He who excuses accuses himself. Mr. REDWOOD: Regarding that meeting: afterwards we rnet the Philip P'rty, and after :\Jr. RED\VOOD: I do not want to make any th<~t we met the HouIOtrRted ngain~t the 'Trade-; J)ispUtP~ nil], The SPEAKER : Order ! Tr.ev said em ph >tically they would not b ,,ve the :;\Ir. \Yoons: Shake them up, Trad"s Di,pntes Bill, and yet at the caucus meeth1g the night htrore they en1phaticrdly Sclid Mr. REDWOOD: On .:,Ionday night, in Too­ that they would folluw the no~kharnpton pro­ w{.omba, I deliver~d .1 short addrt'SS to 1ny con­ g-ramH10. st.ituent,::.;, and endeavoured to place befor8 them :I\Ir .•TEXKI:\~OX: 1'\o, I 1:.eg- yr,nr pardon, I did thP F'Rition :tR I conceived it. In doinu t;O I not; I Rtond out. said what I believed to he true. There bas~heen a certain anwunt of tnii'representation regarding The SPE,\KER: Order, onler! my action at that meAting, and I think it is unlv l\Ir. RED\YOOD: There was one man v. bo fair to the House and the country that the truth said he would not, \Vhat. wa·; the re,·nlt after should come out. that? Tt '>'as patched up at r.nother cane IS of GovER""}IENT 1\IE:IIDEHS : Hear, hear ! the combined parties. :\!r. RED\VOOD : I know it is against the The TREASURER: You are getting away front etiquette of Pttrliamentarians-- the c)alition now. Do you mean to say you did lVIr. ,JE""KINHON: To speak the truth. (Laugh­ not advocate the cmlition? ter.) Mr. REDWOOD: He is too small ry to :)Jr. REDWOOD: To make any referrnce to noticP, what tnok place at a caucus meeting, but such a The SPEAKER : Order ! reference is necessary. JHr. Kidstor,, as you ore The TREASURER again interjected. aw•re, in 1!107 fought a, very great fight in the country, and came back to thi, House, and had The SPEAKER: Order! I must remind the a_ record session-a record of legislative work of Treasurer that when I call order he must respond which every man in this House who was resp~n­ to my call. sible for it may feel exceedingly proud. In fact, 0PPOSITIO~ MEillllEHS : Hear, hear ! and laugh­ think it was a record session for an Australian ter. Mr. Redwood.} Address in Repl,y. [A8SEMBLY.] Address in Reply.

:\Ir. REDWOOD: I would like to ]'oint out let the new party come into power or go to the that the next event which took place was that electors. That is the position to~day. "What :\Jr. Swayne, the junior 1uember for 1\lackay, was the result last session? stnod np in this Chamber, and said that he re­ An Ho:>OUIUBLE J\IE1IBER: Barren. tained his own individuality as regards the Trades Disputes Bill. ::\Ir. RED\VOOD: Barren. That is a very good word-the result is practically barren. Mr. GIUNT : And you continued to sit behind Very keen opposition came from the Govern menu the Government? side of the House regarding the \Yorkers' Dwell­ Mr. HEDWOOD: We have heard the Pre- ings Bill. "Where was the loyalty on the \Vorkers' 111ier going- thronghont the C'1Untry saying what Dwellings Bill last year? wonuerfulloyalty he is getting, praising the men The Hm!E SECRETARY: \Ye had to fetch you ;,vho twelve or fourteen nwnths ago he was back, hadn't we? running down to the 'ery lowest. I shall read a few quotations before I sit down which will J\-Ir. REDWOOD: There was loyalty there­ show the people what the Premier has said re­ the Bill had to be withdrawn. garding Robert l"hilp twelve months ago. (Go­ :'\fr. JENKINSON: And the Port Alma Railway. vernment laughter.) Mr. REDWOOD : The Port Alma Bill was :\Ir. GHANT: 'Why did you continue to support withdrawn. him? :\Ir. CowAP: Hedwood was withdrawn, too. 1\Ir. REDWOOD: I will tell my own tale in (Laughter.) my own way. :\Ir. RED\VOOD: Now I want to answer an ::Ylr. MunPHY : Y on are doing very well. interjection from the other side of the House­ ::\Ir. REDWOOD: The Premier makes out " \Vhy did I support the coalition in the first in­ that wh·1t I have done is a terrible crime, but stance?" the Premier has used the )'rerogative himMEXT 11E}JBERS: Oh, oh ! and laughter. straight. (Laughter.) :\Ir. HEDWOOD: He cl:tims the right to do Mr. REDWOOD : I oppose the Premier to­ juet as he likes, but he refu,es that right to any day because I do not believe in him. That is other individual. Well, let me tell the Premier, the plain truth. Do you think it is a very for one, that I intend to retain my individuality. pleasant thing for me to be accused every day in :\Ir. D. Hc;;TEl\: For a £1,000 a year. the Frees? Mr.• TE:>KI:\'SON: It is a splendid advertise­ ::\Ir. REDWOOD: I told you, 1\Ir. Speaker, ment. (Laughter.) th1t I believed implicitly in the Premier. There is no rienying the fact-I do not wish to go back Mr. JtEDWOOD: I think anybody would on one word I have uttered-that when on the prefer ,,ot to have that kind of ad vertisHDent­ public platform, as the Premier said the other to have practically a lot of people believing you nii!ht., I have given him most fulsome praise, are a dreadful character-absolutely false to your bBlieving absolutely in what he was doing, be­ principles. If the papers would <>nly adopt the lieving that he was absolutely sincere, believing honourable c»urse they should, and give a man a that he conic! he absolntely truo;ted. fair repnrt~give bitn n, fair, honfet criticism in ::\Ir. ::\IGLOAHY: He had a loo nf us that way. the leaders, but print in the papers what a man says-that is what I want. :\Ir. RED\YOOD: An'! when I found that the J\Ir. 'fHORX : Do you believe in the Labour Premier \VCIS not what I thought he was, I told party now? him :n. The SPEAKEH : Order! :'\Ir. :\IcRPHY: And left. ::\Ir. RED\VOOD: I think I can sum the :,Ir. HEDWOOD: And left. Iclid not take the matter np in one word. I do not intenn to stand he ((H>k reg crding the Hon. follow a man in whom I do not believe. I did in this House some years ago. I cl id not -stab not hesitate to tell the Premier so. I told him hhn in the bad{ wit:hout a n1ornen t'ci notice. I privately, and he thcmked me for tel!ing him gave him three months, with all the powers 0f straight out, and not stabbing him in the the Govm·nment. (G.wernment laughter.) He back. went throughout the L)nntry, prornising raihvays The HmiE SECRETARY : \Vhat reason did you to e\·ery elec'orate where he thought a man was give? (Laughter.) a little shaky. Mr. RED\VOOD : I have been accused of :\Ir. THOR:\' : That is what you are fighting making "statement which I cannot substantiate, for. namely, that the Premier had no understanding Several members interjected. with the Hon. Robert Philp. T~,e SPEAICEl-{,: Order, order! Mr. MuLCAHY: All cut and dried. :\[r. REDWOOD: I was remarking that the Mr. RED\VOOD : No one would make a more Pn•n1ier vvas promising thiR and promising that ample apology than myself if it were oo, bnt I throughout\ :trious electorate,;;, No"'', I say that maintain that the Premier deceived us, and when a Government that has to stoop to that, and has I found I was deceived I came to the conclusion no belief in its own indi,~idualily, has no right to that I could follow that man no longer. sit on the Treasury benches. Mr. D. HcNTEI\: Give proofs. OPPOSITIO>! J\IE1IBEI\S : Hear, hear ! ::\Ir. REDWOOD : I will give you these 'l'lw HmiE SEOHET.~RY: '\V hat did you pro­ proofs. mi~e? The SPEAKER: Order ! Will the hon. ::\[r, REDWOOD: If a Government is notable member address his remarks tn the Chair? to maintain its dignity and honour as it should tnaintain them, they l1ave no right to sit there; Mr. REDWOOD : The"e were the words­ they ought to do one thing or thE' other-resign, that they did not believe that the Trades Dis­ or let the IIonse choose its O\Vn Governrnent- putes Bill was going to be introduced. There [Jlfr. Redwood. Address in Reply. [6 JuLY.] Address in Rep1,y. 65

were fourteen or fifteen men at that caucus, and Mr. R]~DWOOD : Take the position of they said that they understood that the Trades Canudu with regard to immigration. LIENT JI.IEiiiBER : \Vhich ones ? Mr. GRANT: You advocated immigration over Mr. MANX : The ones the Courier ma,de about here. Philp in 1902. Mr. REDWOOD : Hold on 11 bit. I um not Mr. REDWOOD: In epeaking of the senior going back on what I said about immigration at member for Town.wille at Toowoombu on the all. I am just us keen on immigration as ever I 28th March, 1907, this is what the Premier wus, and I will stick to the policy of immigration, said- as I wunt them to come here. The Townsville speech was characterised by the old Mr. GRANT: Do you want farm labourers? Philp recklessness of promises. :U:r. Philp complained 1909-F Mr. Redwood.] 66 Address in Repl,y. [ASSEMBLY.] Address in Repl,y. that the Government immigration scheme did not go Mr. GRANT: Didn't you advocate the intro­ far enough. He '' ~mt.ed to have immigrants brought duction of farm labourers? in b~y the thou~<:tnd every week. I would like to know how the hon. member for Mr. REDIVOOD: I advocated labourers to More ton likes that? go on the land, but we do not want artisans to fill our cities. We have sufficient artisans in the Mr. FoRSYTH: What is that? dties. Mr. LESINA : Plenty in the bush, too. Mr. REDWOOD: The Premier's comments on the senior member for Townsville's remarks Mr. RED\VOOD: There is another quotation about immigration and bringing in a 1,000 a I wish to make-snmething that was said by the W8Pk. Premier a year later-17th January, 1908- Mr. FORSYTH: Yes, if they can be absorbed. And if there is any question on which ::\fr. Phllp and (Opposition laughter.) the Philp party blo\Y off steam, it is on the {1llCstion of immigration. I entirely agree with them in one con­ Mr. RED\VOOD: The hon. member for tention-that we want more people in this country. Moreton simply read that portion of my Too­ Apart altogether from any other qncstion, if it were merely the qm '3lion of defence, if it were merely woomba speech to ridicule me, that is all. the question of preserving a white Queensland, (Laughter.) The hon. member tried as it were it is ab~olutel~' necessHry that we shonld fill the to make the Labour party believe what an ass Northern portion of Queensland particularly with Redwocd was. (Government laughter.) a white race. (A Voice: "You won't do it." I thank that gentleman for mterjeeting. I Hear, hear!) Mr. GRANT: You are doing that yourself. Because there is no delusion that the Philp party try {Government laughter.) to disseminate more generally than this delusion about immigrat1tn. Xo\Y, "\Vill you let me tell you what :J.Ir. Philp did for immigration during his tenure of office. Mr. REDWOOD: That may be so. (A Yoice: "Nothing.") Yes, he dld something. Mr. D. Hu~TER: It is so. (J.Jaughter.) As far back as 1891, the then Government fixed the rate for nominated immigrants at £4 per man Mr. MuLCAHY (to Mr. D. Hunter): No, and £2 per woman. (A Voice: "Shamc,"anU langhter.) never. You will not trouble anyone after this I am g-lad my Philp friend there says "shame." ·win election. That will finish you. he just listen now? The only ~thing that Robcrt Philp did dnring his term of omce "\Vas to alter these figures in such a "\vay as to incre~Lse the rftte for a man from Mr. REDWOOD : This is a point to which I £4 to £ "; and every woman from £2 to £3. l\ow I will wish to draw particular attention. The Premier tell ;on what the prei',nt Government has done. \Ve put bnek the rate of nominated immigrants to £±,and remarked the other night that for ten years we made that£± include lus wil8 and children. (Loud there had been practically political stagnation applause.) ·why, a friend of 1:Ir. Redwood's got a in QuePosland-that there had been no reform, famil \T of ten p8rsons brought out here from home and he made these remarks at Toowoomba- becaUse the father was nominated at £4. (A Voice: ''I am the father of a family," and laughter.) Vfe All thr years from 1 ll90 to 1903 }!r. Philp had opposed made a new- provision in addition to that, tha~ farmers reform, and adopted every measure to block reform. and sugar-workers, or others wanting labourers, had The people might re;;t. assured that the only way to just to show us that they had work at decent wages to secure reforms was for all the I;iberals to combine aive the men when they came here. and the man and together and work together. \Vhat he had to say to t'rw famil~' would be brought out for £5_ (Loud ap­ the Labour men, with many of whom he had worked plause.) Inst~

(Renewed and continued laughter.) \Vel!, they Mr. REDWOOD : I am not saying that the say they cannot geo surveyors in the State. men are not doing their best. I believe they They say surveyors cannot be obtained. are, hut I do say that the I,ands Devartment A GOVERNMENT ME:\IBER : \Vho said so? must be altered. The SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC LANDS: In what Mr. RED\YOOD : I was told so. For over direction? four years that has been the cry. \Vhat I say is that four years ago, had the ex·Ministerstarted Mr. RED\VOOD: \Ye must be more c'nn­ to really go into the matter of getting surveyors, mercial in the working of it. It is not enough he would ha;·e had young men fit to cut up the that we find room for 3,000, you must blocks at the present time. That is what they do [4.30 p.m.] find room for more-you must run in Canada. lines of railway ahead of settle­ The HmrE SECRETARY : Is it not a fact that he ment. (Hear, hear!) You must run lines of did so? railwtey into unoccupied Crown lands, and cut it up into 160-acre blocks, under the provisions Mr. REDWOOD:· :1\o. That is what I of the Act passed in 1908, for perpetutel leases or object to. The present Minister, certainly, has free holds. not had much >how, and I belie' e he is doing his best. No dou ht they were both doing their Mr. LESINA: You have to apply the better­ best. The ex-Jl.J:inister, versonally, I know and I ment system in connection with all railways feel did his best to administer the department, constructed. but I do not like the system. I maintain that Mr. REDWOOD: Every railw 'Y line built the department should be cut up into smaller has to give a guarantee. The great success of branches. It shnuld be worked more like a huge the Canadian administration has been caused by business concern. For in~tancr"', if :you go into a the building of lines ahead of settlement. large business concern, either in this State or in any other part of the world, you there find the The HmrE SECRETAHY: By syndicates. Do departments under different heads. You find you advocate that? each department has it::; own manager, and he is 1\lr. RI<~DWOOD : No. respcmsible for the working of tbat particular An 0PPOSITIO~ J'>IEli!BER: You do. department. N O'N, my contention is, that there are very excellent men in the Lands liep

The free land policy that was introduced by the The Hmm SECRETARY: The department would House in 1908 is a principle I am very keen on. he very pleased if you hurried the settlement of I have watched its pronounced success in Canada. your transaction with them. Mr. ·wooDs: Passed by the late Govanment. Mr. REDWOOD: I don't want

Mr. REDWOOD: Exactly, and that is what and what will be the result? There is practically I want to see done by our farmers generally. no market arranged for that grain, and there are vVe hear in different parts of the State, through no proper shipping facilities for dealing with it. the Press anrl otherwise, that the An HoNOUHABLE ::\hmnER : Yes. will only produce butter. \V ell, I maintain that if that were true, which I do not admit, dairying Mr. REDWOOD : If tho market becomes would be a much greater success if the different glutted, the farmers will have no means of cereals necessarv to provide succulent and sure handling their grain. If this country is going to winter feed were cultivated properly. The only become a large cereal-producing country, as I stand by in the winter is a grain crop of some believe it will, we shall have to adopt the methods description. \Vhether you are breeding a first­ followed in other countries where grain is grown class dairy herd, or raising pigs, poultry, or in large quantities. I was in Sydney the other lambs, it makes no difference, for they are allied day and I met some squatters. They complained industries, and for their success the production very much of the laxity of the department in not of cerealt; is necessary. I am, therefore, pleased reeognising the importance of providing for the to see that the people on the Darling Downs disposal of the surplue stock there will be in have realised the fact that the production of Queensland. I am aware that the present cereals is necesoary for the success of dairying Minister for Agriculture is endeavouring to get and kindred pursuits, and that a reaction is a shipment of chilled meat sent home, cut it should setting in in regard to cereal production, and have been done before-the market should have that it is becoming much more popular. been opened. As I have previously remarked, I maintain that the Governments of the past Mr. D. HDNTER: A high market has that have not recognised how imperative it is to pro­ effect. vide an adequate market for the products of our Mr. REDWOOD: I quite admit that a State. high market has that effect, but we require to OPPOSITION MEMBEHS : Hear, hear ! have the industry carried on in a proper manner. vVhat we should do is to go on to a man's farm Mr. REDWOOD: The system at home is and s:ly to him that we want 5, 10, or 20 acres wrong. \Vhat is the gnod of an Agent-General cultivated in a cert>tin way. sitting in his office there? That is not what we The SECRETAHY FOR AGRICULTURE: We are require; better pay double the salary and have a doing that on the State farms. live active man, and a man who is a credit to our country in commercial life. Not that I am re­ Mr. RED\VOOD: Ye", but we have only a flecting nn the present occupant of the chair-I few State farms on the Downs-at \Vestbrook, know he is an excellent man-l>nt he is nut the the Hermitage, and another near Roma. \Vhat type of man we require for our country. we want is plots cultivated at different places to show what is the best way to cultivute crops. An HONOURABLE JYIEMBER : You want a trade \Ve want to show farmers that a particular way cornmiss:ioner. of cultivating a crop is practicable and profit­ Mr. REDWOOD: vVe require a trade com­ able, that they must cultivate their lands on missioner to open up markets for our surplus scientific principles. If that were done, we products, and the sooner we do it the better. sbonld see a new era in agriculture in this Sto"te. Mr. J. M. HDNTER: Let us get rid of thif< An HoNODRABLE ME:\lBER: \Vhy didn't you Government. criticise that department when you were behind Mr. REDWOOD : In connection with our the Gm-ernment? Agricultural Department, there is an important Mr. RED\VOOD : I remember that I criti­ matter which wants remedying, and that is the cised the Government on one occasion when I Agricultural Bank. The .-\gricultural Bank is was sitting behind them, and said they were liv­ practically dormant; it is a miserable depart­ ing on money borrowed by the Philp Govern­ ment. To get money ont of that bank is almost ment, and I was called a very strong name or as difficult as going from here to Cook town and worse for doing that. \Vhen I was supporting back on foot. the Government I was never away from a single Mr . •T. M. HDNTER: It is badly administered. division. Mr. KEHH: Too many fossils. lYir. D. HuN1'ER: Yes, you were away seven­ Mr. REDWOOD: I do not know whether it teen times last year. is the trustees' fault, or owing to defects in the Mr. RED\YOOD : It's a wonder you don't Act, but I think there should be some remedy choke. (Laughter.) provided, and the bank ehould be made more use­ The SPEAKER : Order! ful to our people. It should be much more in touch with the people. The fee charged, £3 3s., Mr. D. HDNTER: It's a fact. is iniquitous. Take the New Zealand system : The SPEAKER: Order! It is distinct dis­ It is not a half nor a third the amount, and I order, when I have given an audible call for sincerely trust that this rlefect will be remedied order, for an hon. member to follow that up by as soon as poseible. I am pleased to see the rail­ an interjection. I am here to carry out the way construction which is going on, as I have Standing Orders, and I ask hon. members to been a very keen advocate fnr that line of policy, respect my call for order. It is a most dis­ and I trnst that whatever Government may be agreeable thing to have to call "Order," and I in power they will continue a vigorous and pro­ never do it unless I believe the order of the House gressive railway policy, that they will build rail­ requires it. ways ahead of settlement, and utilise Crown HoNOUHABLE ME}IBERS: Hear, hear ! lands as they should be, and not wait to get districts populated. Some districts which are Mr. RED\VOOD: I may state that since I populated, such as that of the hon. member for havE' been a member of the House I have never Cambooya, should have had a railway twenty knowingly been away from this Chamber when an years ago. important division was taken. On every occasion I have voted, and I intend to do so in the future. Mr. MACKINTOSH : You voted against that The Agricultural Department is a department railway I brought forward last year. which is at present neglected to a great Mr. REDWOOD : I never did. I would not extent by the Government. It is not accorded vote against it, because I think it is a most desir­ that importance which it should receive. vVe able railway, and I think there will have to be are likely to have a good gr.tin season this year, more railways built in that area between Dalby [Mr. Redwood. Address in Repl.1J. [6 JULY.] Address in Repl;y. 71 and the Goondiwindi line. You want two more 1\Ir. REDWOOD: Well, we will have a good rail ways to make that land all useful for agricul­ try. I believe the Guvernment are desirous of ture. doing their best with regard to railway construc­ Mr. JENKINSON: Mr. Speaker, I rise to a tion, but I want them, if they do remain in point of order-to draw your attention to the power-- fact that th~re are strangers here. One of them Mr. ,J. M. HuNTER: \Yill you put them out? is abusing the privilege by taking sketches or Mr. RED\YOOD: I believe they won't; but notes in the gallery, and I ask if he is in order at the same time, if they do, I hope they will in doing s0. be sincere in building railways as readily as 'fhe SPEAKER: It is not ;n order or becm1- po"ible. I do not believe that this House will ing, in n1y opinion, for anyone to come here refuse them whatever money they require to be under privilege, and sketch either any individual voted for progressive and reproductive works. or the members, and if such a performance is Mr. \Yoons: Provided they pay reasonable taking place I shall ha\·e to give a direction. wages. Mr. JENKlNSON: Do you doubt my word 1 Mr. REDWOOD : Exactly; provided they (Laughter.) build railway" properly. As regards the Pre­ The SPEAKER : Order ! I 'hall have to mier, the other night he made a great many give a direction that it shall cease. remarks which I think were not sincere. I am Mr. JENKINSON: I assert that it has been sorry that the Premier is not in his done. (Laughter.) He ought to be chucked [ii p.m.] place now. \Yhen speaking the out. other night it appeared to me that Mr. RED\YOOD : I am very much surprised he was merely speaking witb his lips, but his tha,t the junior member for Toowoomba did not heart was not in his words. ad vacate the Cuoyar line. The Kingsthorpe GonmNMENT MEMBERS: Oh, oh! (Laughter.) line is a very excellent railway a'' far as it goes, Mr. REDWOOD: I believe that was so. I but I certainly say th1t the Premier deliberately wish someone would tell the Premier to come in, promised in this HousB that he would connect as I want to deal with him. the Cooyar timber country with the Darling A GovERNMENT MEMBER: Go on. Downs and \Yestern Queensland. \Vhat is the result at the present time? \Ye have no pros­ Another GOVERNME!'>T J\IEMBER : He does not pect as far as I know. think you are worth it. The SECRETARY FOR HAlLWAYS : Don't lose Mr. REDWOOD: I want to point out that if hope. anyone bad watched the Premier's face when that Mr. REDWOOD : The Minister say", "Don't last division was taken the other night, the one lose hope." which resulted in 36 votes to 35, they would have seen the forlorn look in his face. It was a look J\fr. J. M. Hu!'>TE!\: Oh, he will be out in a of misery, and I thought that he would collapse. day or two. Mr. Mur.oAHY: Guilty conscience. Mr. REDWOOD : I know the Minister for Railways has done his best for rail way construc­ J\Ir. HEDWOOD: I am quite satisfiNl that if tion, but I•am sorry to see the line not begun he had had a weak heartJ it would have settled already. The hon. junior member for Too­ him. (Laughter.) woomba never made one comment about the The 'l'REASURER : See your own face when timber. \Ye must have that timber. We have this vote is taken. no timber left on the Darling Downs, and a The SPEAKER: Order ! very high price is being paid for it, and that timber should be utilised for the Downs and Mr. REDWOOD : I will not be like the Western Queensland. It is no use the Gol'ern­ Premier. He looked miserable. He looked pale ment acting with a sort of sham, and saying and haggard ; and when. he _was making than there are fourteen or fifteen railways being built, speech his heart was not m hrs words. He got when they are only fooling, as it will take two or up and told this House what he had done. He three years to eomplete Home of the lines. told this House about some reforms that he bad passed. \Yhy, a, a matter of fact, who were The SECRETARY FOR HAlLWAYS : There are responsible for the passing of those ref_orms? 4,000 men at work on them. It was the three ex-11inisters who are s1ttmg on Mr. RED\YOOD : I am very glad to hear the Opposition side of the House who were re­ there are -1,000 men employed; I would like to sponsible for the passage of those reforms. The see more employed, M I would like the lines ex-Attorney-General, th~ e;<-Home Secretary ar:;d completed. But what is the result on the Darling 'l'reasurer and the ex-l\1rmster for Ra1lways drd Down, with regard to the timber? That beauti­ a great p~rtion-and the maj o; port~on in my ful forest, Blackbntt Range, is being tapped from opinion-of the work that \Yrlham K1dston had the Brisbane side, because, I presume, Brisbane the audacity-- influence is greater than the Downs influence. "Why are we not getting that timber tapped? The SPEAKER: Order! "\Yhy should we be persecuted as we are, in order Mr. REDWOOD: I beg pardon. That the that Brisbane people may have the benefit of all Premier had the audacity to claim as his own the timber reserves~ They can get timber from work. The Premier made the assertion that it Maryhorough and other place", yet the timber was his work, but I claim that these three ex­ from Maryborough is sometimes brought right on J\Iinisters did as much as he did. In fact, none tot he Downs. That is not right. I see the Minister of those measnres would have been placed on the for Rail ways smile, and I hope the Bill will soon statute-book at all if it had not been for the be brought in, and I hope that the junior mem­ loyal support which had been rendered by the ber for Toowoomba, from his speech on this present Opposition. (Hear, hear_!) I am pleased question, will back me up in this matter, became to see that the Premier has arrrved, as I have his Yote at the present time is very useful on got a few words to ,ay about him. (Laught~r.) that side of the House. I trust we will get that The Premier claimecl that he was responsrble line this session. It is most necessary for the foe this great amount of legislation-wonderful Darling Downs and the \Yestern country that we reforms be told us. He also told us that they must have timber. were p'assed, although no reforms had been Mr. LENNO!'>: ·would you not put the Govern­ passed for ten years previously-as there were no ment out first? reforms when the Philp party were in power. Mr. Redwood.] 72 Address ~n Reply. [ASSEMBLY.] Address in Reply.

The Premier also told us that to join the senior Co~t?·ier. He used those words in the position member for Townsvil!e meant political stagna. which he held at the time when he was defeated tion. and we had to ~;o to the country, and the Pbilp The Hoi\IE SECRETARY: Did you know all this party were in power, and Kidston then told-- when you praised him? The SPEAKER: Order ! Mr. REDWOOD: The Premier said it would Mr. .li.EDWOOD: I beg your pardon; I mean political stagnation to join with the senior should have said the Premier. Then when he member for Townsville, and claimed that it came back and resumed office he forgot the men would be betraying the democratic principle> who were loyal to him, and wanted to ridicule that he believed in. In his speeches in Too­ them and take away their private name or their woomba these were the remarks he made, yet the honour. Anyone who did not know me must other n:ght he claimed that he received absolute have thought that I was some sinecure of an loyalty from the members who sat on the Go­ individual. (Government laughter.) Yes, it was vernment side. \Vhy, he knows perfectly well impressed on many people who did not know me, that they are only making use of him. and by the man who wonld not have been in An OPPOSITION ME>IBER interjected. power if I had been in any way disloyal to him. It Mr. l'tED\VOOD: No, I dn not tlnnk anyone is no use being a miser.,ble sham. It is better to would ""'' th:Jt, as they admire the Premier in be hone,;t and sincere and straightforward. other ways. 1\lr. Speaker, if the Premier's heart, I told the Hon. the Premier, when I believed figuratively speaking, could be laid on that in him, that I believed in him bec~use I be­ table-- (Loud laughter.) lieved he was houest, and I gave him absolute The SPEAKER: Order, order! support. Then when I believed he was not sinc;,re, I told him so. And I am certain if the Mr. REDWOOD: It might be there sooner Premier would only spnk his mind and be than you think. (Laughter.) If the Premier honest he would be sitting- over here on this side were to really spee,k the feeling:; of his heart, of the House to-night and thanking G<,d that he and write them and iay them on the table of the was with us. (Government laughter.) Yes, he HousP, they would be in direct opposition to would. The Premier, in his s;Jeech the other what he said in hi> speech last Tbnrsday. night, tried to make it appear in Hansm·d as if I 0PPOSITIOX ::\IEMBERS : Hear, hear ! 'va~ so1ne Wl·.akling. I do not profess to be a 1Ir. REDWOOD: I Jo not believe that the particularly strong individmtl. Premier meant what he p. dd the other night at Mr. illcLCAHY: Honesty of purpose. all. I know him well, ".nd while I was associated :Mr. REDWOOD : But I can say this, that I with him I wrttchecl him closely. am honest in whftt I am tryin5>; to do. Let Mr. J\ICLCAHY: The longer you knew him the people say what they like. Tney may trample less you thought of him. upon me for a time, but I will perseYere vnd I Mr. REDWOOD: ·when I knew him I will keep going, and I do believe thau the thought he was sincere and honest, and I never people of Qneensland, or the majority of them at thought he would change his views. any rate, will bPJi8Ve in the present action Which the "guerilla" party, as the Premier termed The TREASUHER : He thinks a lot of you now. them the other night, are taking. " Mr. REDWOOD : Whether the Premier An 0PPOSI'riON :\lE}IBER : \Vould you call him thinks a lot of me or not, there was tt time not so a gorilla? long ag-o when, if I bad proved false to him, he would not be sitting in the seat he occupies to­ 1\Ir. REDWOOD: No, I would call him an night. octopus. I was surprised to see when the present Speaker of the House was being elected OPPOSITION l'lfE1!BERS: Hear, hear ! that he hnd to go outside and put his arm around Mr. EED\VOOD: I have seen the Premier you, :\lr. Speaker, and drag you into the House, on his knees asking me to save him. (Loud The SPEAKER: Order ! The hon. member htughter.) cannot allude to a proceeding in a former debate The Ho1!E SECRETARY: Is that the time the of this session. (Hear, hear!) hon. member for Barcoo referred to? Mr. REDWOOD : I apologise. I am sorry Mr. RED\VOOD: You were not in the House to say it took plac-", and I am sorry it is ont of then. You were very small fry at that time. order to allude to it. The junior member for (Laughter.) I mean what I say. I have seen Toowoomba stated last \Vednesday that there the Premier come to me for assistance before to­ was a magnificent meeting in Toowoomba. At day, and I will see him again yet. (Government that meeting the junior member for Toowoomba laughter.) The other night be devoted a lot of could not be heo.rd by three-fifths of the audience, time to n1e, and said, "Fancy the senior member and I challenge him to deny it. Three-fifths of for Toowoomba being Premier." (Laughter.) the audience could not hear the Premier-and he The Hmm SECRETARY: Just fancy it! has a good voice. The only one that got any­ thing like a reception-and it could not be c~lled Mr. REDWOOD : But that remark fell very flat in this House. I may not hav£ had much a good reception-was the hon. member for parliamentary experience, but I think my record TownsvillP. They could not get a platform until will compare as bvourably as the Premier's. they got the Hon. ::\lr. Pbilip to go up there. OPPOSITION MEMBERS : Hear, hear ! The SPEAKER: Order! The hon member should say "senior member for Townsville." Mr. HE DWOOD: I would not be holding the position which I hold at the present time unless Mr. REDWOOD: I mean the senior member someone did think something of me, and that is for Townsville. They called a committee meet­ the controlling of one of the largest industries on ing, and they got only nine people of the com­ the Darling Down~. Then the Premier the bined committees to attend, and the meeting other night had the presumption to say that that was held was neither more nor less thJ.n a some people did not know me, but those who rabble from beginning to end. The men round did knew that I waR_an absnrdity. the platform could hear, but at the back o.f the The HoME SEORB;TARY: Hear, hear ! hall it was nothing but a constant fire of mter­ jections. And the Premier at that meeting so Mr. REDWOOD : He said I was absurdity, far lowered his d1gnity and manhood as to call and rerJeated it twice. He repeated it in the the ladiea and gentlemen who were present [Mr. Redwood. Address in Reply. 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"things," and he said they had a pain in their Mr. RED\VOOD: At our meeting on Mon­ stomach. (Laughter.) 'l'o use the correct word, day night the ball was packed, and there was he said they had a pain in their belly. (Renewed not a sound. I would have been glad of more laughter.) Do hon. members think those were interjections ; but the people went there to hear; nice expressions to fall from the Premier? I may they wanted to make an absolute contrast, to not be fit for a Premier, but I would not use those show the difference between the hearing they expressions in the presence of ladies and gentle­ gave to their enemies and the hearing they gave men. At that meeting the Premier must have to their friend". I ask the junior member for lost his head-as I have seen him lose it before. My Toowoomba is he game to addrhs a public meet­ colleague, the junior member for Toowoomba­ ing in Tuowoomba to-rnorrow? he is not my colleague now-(laughter)-got up Mr. RoBEHTR : Yes. and tried to make this House believe that there was an excellent meeting at Toowoomba ad­ Mr. HEDWOOD : Let the hon. member go dressed by the Premier. It is absolutely wrong and do it. He said here the other night that I -there were interjections from beginning to end. did not represem To<1woomba·. If I call my Hence the PremiPr losing his tem}Jer. After­ committee together, they will come in hunrlreds, wards it was advertised that they were going to not nine all told. If I call a public meeting at form a People's Progressive League, but they three clays' notice, they come in thouRands. The were not game. 1 t fell through-it fell fiat-and junior member for Toowoomba took three weeks yet they tell me that Toowoomba is not with to work up the Premier's meeting, and he could me. \Vhat was the result of the meeting in 1908 not have got a successful meeting at all bad it in Toowoomba when the Premier arri \ t1d there? not been for the hem. member f.•r Townsville It was one of the greatest political meetings ever coming to his '"·'istance. I claim that I was held in Queenoland. There were ii,OOO people elected by the democrats of Toowoombn to follow assembled in the Austral Hall. Three hundred a certain 'po!ie? and aclvoc .... te cPrtain pr~nciples. ladies with torches marched in frnnt of the ladies' I am advocating those principl< ,, ; I have not committee and a committee of about 300 men. deviated from them by one flaction frrJm the Mr. JENKI:->sox: Headed by a Syrian. first time I stood on the hustings to the present moment. \Vhcre is the jnninr member for Too­ Mr. REDIVOOD: The gentleman you refer woorn ba? He is with the party he promised he to is a French subject. would not tollow. He can justify himself if he The SPEAKER : Orrler! \Vill the hon. mem­ likes-he will have the opportnnity of replying to ber be good enough to address the Chair? nw. The Premier the other night marle use of sorne remarks against me. .!Ie said, H Fanc.Y the Mr. RED\VOOD: The hun. member for hon. member for Bowen and the hon. meml>er for Fassifern spoke of a Syrian. I wish to say Toowoomha, the senior member for Brisbane that gentleman is a French subject born in South, and the hrm. member for Barcoo being France. He was certainly dressed in Syrian together! Just fancy an alliance between them!" costume, with drawn sword. (Laughter.) The IV e were all together in the one party. I think Pren1ier on that occa:'l;ion was dra\vn in a car~ it was an extraordinary thing to say. He then riage by four white horses, and behind was a ridiculed the hon. member for Barcoo for his magnificent banner with the words "Gang remarks about me in South Brisbane. forrit!" And the banrl was playing "Three Cheers for the RBd, White, and Blue." All those GovERN1IENT l\IE}JBEHS : Hear, hear ! people went to the Austral Hall, where we had Mr. REDWOOD: Yes. Well, I wish to say a magnific~nt meeting. I think it was the that I S

The SPEAKER: The hon. member must Mr. RED\VOOD: I will oppose the Goyern­ endeavour to clothe his sentiments in a little ment, because I maintain it is only a farce. more parliamentary form. (Laughter.) I have The HOii!E SECI\ETARY : Oppose democratic· no doubt that if he only exercises his ingenuity legislation ? he will find himself quite capable of suggesting that the Treasurer on a certain occasion made Mr. REDWOOD: It was political stagnation observations that were not correct. (Laughter.) last session, and it is going to be the same this It will be out of order, howev.•Jr, to characterise session. them as being absolutely false. (Laughter.) 0PPOSTTIO~ 1\IE;l!BERS : Hear, hear ! Mr. RED\VOOD: I accept your ruling, Mr. Mr. REDWOOD : They may run down the Speakcr-(laughter)-and I shall say that the Labour party on the Conservative side, but I can hon. gentleman\, statement is not in accordance say that while the Labour party supported us with fact. they were absolutely loyal to us. The HOME SECRE1'ARY : You only lost your Mr. HABDACRE: Hear, hear! head, that's all. Mr. REDWOOD : And they followed us; The TREASURER: I was only quoting your own consistently, and I say emphatically that you words. could not get better or more loyal support than Mr. REDWOOD : That is all right. the Premier got from the Labour party. They The TREASUHER : You said in the House you stuck to their pledges, and they t•;uried out what were going to issue a writ against him. they said they would. They were absolutely loyal to the Government then in power until the· GovERN1fENT MEMBEHS : Hear, hear ! Premier brought in syndicate rail ways. Then, Mr. REDWOOD: \Veil, Mr. Speaker, Mr. and only then, did the Labour party oppose us. Kidston-(Laughter.) Mr. 1\IACKINTOSH: Are you in favour o The SPEAKER: The Chief Secretary. syndicate railways? Mr. R:I<;DWOOD: The Chief t:\ecretary-that Mr. REDWOOD: Never mind what I :1m in is better-the Chief Secretary remarked the favour of. (Laughter.) The hon. member will other night that I was not sincere in what I was not draw me on this occasion. I told the House doing-that it was practically a subterfuge, or previously that I am in favour of State-owned some excuse-that it was a matter of revenge. railways, and if the hon. member for Cambooya :Now, I wiRh to emphatically contradict that, had list,ned he would not be interjecting now. and I wish to say that, ifi have any dispute or any The Prermer rolls out the Rockhampton pro­ trouble with anybody, I generally have the fight gramme, and so do hon. members on that side. out forthwith, a" I have had with the Premier. Some of them are vc·ry uncomfortable, and do But I do not bear him any ill-will. I have not not like being where they are. They are one unkind thought about him privately, but nervous, and they will be suffering from nervous politically I am opposed to him. I assure every prostration in a week or two. (Laughter.) That hon. member in tbe House that I have not one is a complaint they will all have before they are unkind thought against any member of the many weeks older. House, rmd I have not an unkind thought per. The Hoii!E SECRETARY: You know all about sonally against the Premier. Politically I am it. dealing with him, and politically I have a·s much 1\Ir. RED\VOOD : They talk about the Rock­ right to my own opinion aq the hon. gentleman hampton programme as if that was the whole has to his opinion. \Ve were also accused of aim and the whole desire of the Kids ton party to" offering practically down Queen street a portfolio pass. \Vhere is the State InsnranGe Bill? to every member we met. Mr. J. M. HuNTER: Overboard. The Holi!E SECRETARY : Hear, hear ! Mr. REDWOOD: Yes, and that is where it Mr. RED\VOOD : Thrtt is wrong-entirely is going to stop. I will not bet, but I would wrong-and I wish to contradict it. I wish to like to bave a pretty high wager that there is not state absolutely that it is not so. much chance of passing State insurance as the The Hm!E SECRE'l'ARY : Ah ! Government are situated at the present time. Mr. REDWOOD: It in not true. I wonld \Vhy, there is no more desirable measure-there like to know what the Home Secretary knows i;;; no measure that we require, or that is more about it. 'The hon. gentleman knows very little desirable for the welfare of queensland-than a about the affairo that occur in this House-or proper sys\em of State insurance, both in hfe, out of it, for that matter. It would be· better fire, and accident. for him to rr:iud his own businesq. (Govern­ Mr. HuxHAc\I: There is money in it, too. ment laughter.) In speaking about the Trades Mr. REDWOOD: At e•·ery election at which Dioputes Bill the other night the Premier main· I have stood there was a cry howled round the· tained that the Government policy is undoubtedly country that there was going to be a democratic policy, and a policy to be carried [5.30 p.m.] a land tax. \Vherever I went that out. Now, I wish to state that I do not believe cry was howlPd by the Conservative it will be carried out. I have come to this con· Press, that a land tax was inevitable if the elusion myself because I believe that, no matter Kidston party went into power. \Vhere is that what legislation is passed in this House, if the to-day? I heard the Premier himself deliber­ administration goes into the hands of the con­ ately say-he was asked if he was in favour of a servative-dominated Government the measures land tax, and he said "Yes, I am in favour of a will be administered by them in a conservative land tax." That is so, but the Conservative manner. That is my firm conviction. I do not journals cannot remember this-they can only care what legislation we pass-and I know per­ remember what suits themselves. I like to be fectly well the Government are unable to pass fA.ir and just to every member of the House, no legishttion-they have not sufficient power to matter on what side he sits. pass legislation, and thev C!tnnot retain those benches with honour, as "they will not be able The HOME SECHETARY : Do you believe in a to carry the leiiislation that they desire, or any land tax? legislation. Mr. REDWOOD: I believe this--( Govern­ The Hoi\IE SECRE1'ARY : Are you going to ment laughter and interjections.) oppose it? The SPEAKER : Order, order ! [Mr. Redwood. Address in Reply. [6 JULY.] Addnss ~n Reply. 75

Mr. RED\VOOD : As regards a land tax, told two or three years ago that there was no there is no occasion for it at the present time occasion for it-that there were very good -(Government laughter)-and I do not think insurance companies in this country. I am any Treasurer, no matter whom he may be, quite aware that there are good insurance com­ would inflict further taxation when there is no panies. I am not going to _deny ~he fac:;t that necessity for it. \Vhen necessity arises, and there is, at the present t1me, m Brisbane not until then, would any Treasurer bring in some splendid institutions, and in various further taxation. parts there are other institutions. But what Mr. LESixA: It is to break up land monopoly, would be the result to a man who after not for the purpose of taxation. (Government paying twenty or thirty years to one of these laughter.) companies if it then ':'ent insolvent'? \Vhe~e is the man's money? \1 hat would happen to bs Mr. REDWOOD: As I was remarking regard· wife and children? He is an old man then. The ing State insurance, we had another great cry same thing applies to the fire insurance com­ when the \Vorkers' Compensation Act was panies. After a man pccying into a fire insurance passed. It was said to be fill iniquitous measure company for a number of years, he has a fi:e, and which was going to do fl great amount of harm, the company goes insolvent: \Vhere b he? while the result of that measure has been most Practically ruined. Now, there is another phase beneficial to the people of the State. It was of the question, and that is the sending away of stated the other night that a sum of £10,000 bad so much money out of the State when we can been paid by the Government under that Act. make better use of it. The majority of the In Toowoomba we started a mutual insurance shareholders, of fire insurance companies parti­ com,,any, on the co-operative principle, and cularly, are outside the State. They m·e in other what was the result ? \V e started it under the parts of the world, and those gentlemen draw \Vorkers' Compensation Act, and the first year very large sums of money out of this country. we tJaid a bonus of 33 per cent, to the share­ My contention is that if the l{cvernment would holders. The only death that occurred in Too­ take up the principle of State insurance earnestly woomha was that of a man who hroke his back on and honestly, it would be a great boon to the range while driving a cab, and we had to Queensland. In Germany they have a system pay £232 to his widow and children. Before the where the employer gives so much and t~e em­ Act was passed they would have got nothing. ployee gives so much, and the State g1ves so The second year we were in existence we had much and I say there is a fund under the 66!l: per cent. profit, and the third year we had Germ'an system at the present time of practically 66~ per cent. profit, showing whflt an e>weller.t £26,000,000 of money. That is a way of making profit is being made out of it by these big the people provident. insurance cotnpaniEs. The TREASUHER : That is the old-age pensions The HmrE SECRETARY: How much of that system. profit did you divide amongst the workers? Mr. RED\VOOD : The old-age pensions Mr. RED\VOOD: We divided amongst the system is a very good one, but we must go people 'Who insured-that was, the shareholders- further than that-we must strike at the root of 56* per cent. as bon uR. · it. I want the people when they are young to The Holi!E SECRETARY: It was not allowed to provide something for .their old age. I want to the workers. encourage the populat10n of the State, and the young mcm will not marry unless they feel some Mt·. REDWOOD : I am very much surprised security for the woman they take as a Wife. fit such an unintelligible remark coming from the (Laughter.) They will not. The Home Secre­ Home Secretary. (Laughter.) tary seems to be enjoying himself. Small things The HOME SECHETA!\Y : You don't like it. amuse small minds. (Laughter.) :\Ir. REDWOOD : Then there was another Hon. members being engaged in conversation, howl-a terrible howl-ahout the \V ages Boards Act. The W3ges board was going to kill every The SPEAKER : Order, order ! farmer on the Downs-it was one of the most The hon. junior member for Fortitude Vallry detestable things that ever happened to the continuing in conversation, State. \Vhere are those men who made this The SPEAKER : I must ask the hon. member great howl? They are behind the very party that passed that Act. Even take the pocition to resvect my call to order. of the State insurance at the present time. Mr. McLACHLAN : I did not hear it. \Vhat do we find? It is omitted from the pro­ The SPEAKER : I can only say I am very gramme, and yet it was in the Rockhampton surprieed to hear so. I hope the hon. member programtnP, nnd the Premier is not gfJing to bring that measure in. He knows perfectly well will refrain from conversing in the Chamber. he could not get it through. Neither is he game Mr. REDWOOD: I am pointing out that I to bring in a proper Trades Disputes Bill. He consider young fellows hc,;itate to get married is not going to bring in one or the other. when they feel there is no security as regards An HoNOURABLE MEillBER : Do you want a their wives, find I repeat it. I say a young man, Trades Disputes Bill? per baps drawing £2 or .£2 10,. a week, could get married and he would do very well. He would Mr. REDWOOD: Yes. I voted for a get his' home and go along steadily, but what Trades Disputes Bill, and I think it is only would be the result if anything happened to right and just that we should have one. him? \Ve want to encourage those young men. A GovERNMEXT MEMllER : Y on will get it. (Hear, hear!) \Ve want to encourage those young men to get m~rried, and we want an Mr. REDWOOD: I hope we will get it. I insurance system so that thos? young men:s want to know what chance ho,ve we of getting wives would be provided for m case of the1r State insurance, and it is one of the planks death. Any thinking young fellm'; would c~m­ of the platform I believe in, and have believed sider what would be the result If anytlnng in for many years. I think it is one of the happens to him, and his wife and children left most de,,irable find excellent measures that could helpless in the world. be passed by this Ohambet·, and so place the people in a position that they need not fear The SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC LANDS : \Vhat the insumnce companie.s going insolvent. I was about the Australian Mutual Provident Society? Mr. Redwood.] 76 Address in Reply. [ASSEMBLY.] Address in R1ply.

Mr. REDWOOD : A very good society. I Act, and I believe that originally the Govern­ am not going to say the Australian Mutual ment intended to bring forward a system of Provident Society is not a good society. State insurance after that Act was passed. But The SECHE'rARY FOl\ PuBLIC LANDS : Could that is a measure which I know perfectly well the State offer anything better? the present Government will not be able to pass. They will not even be able to bring· it forward. Mr. REDWOOD : But it is possible that the They keep on bowling about the Rockhampton Australian Mutual Provident Society may, manifesto, and saying what a wonderful success twenty or thirty years hence, go in the same it will be, when at the san1c time they know it direction as some of the largest insurance com­ will not be carried out in certain particulars. I panies in the United States have gone. Tlwy do not blame the members of the Philp party for may get speculative directors in power; those their influence on the Government. They are directors may make heavy investments, plague the dominant party on that side ; they number or son1e other epidemir:: rnay cmne along, causing about twenty-four, while the Kidston party the deaths of thousands ol their pnlicy-holders, number only fourteen. It must, therefore, be and they might have to suspend payment. The perfectly clear to everyone in this House and to Australian :Mutual Provident Society is not a everyone in the country that the Philp party third as big as the Equitable Company of 1'\ ew are the dominrmt party among those who support York, which was shaken to its foundations a few the Government. And they ought to he, seeing years ago. I an1 not going to say nne di:-paraging that they are the more numerous partv. word about the Australian :Mutual Provident Society nr theN ational :VIutual Life and Citizens A GovERXUEN'f l\IE}IBER: \Vh ich is the domi­ Association or any of the variou,; life insurance nant party on that side? companies doing busine'"' in these States. They Mr. REDWOOD: We are all progr8'oives are very good societic,s, and am run well, Lut over here. (Laughter.) \Ve are all actuated by still it would be much better to have State thu same desire for reform. \V e can give and life insuranc-3. Th,.n, consider the operations take, and we can accomplish much good ]Fgisla­ of fire insurance companies. The people of tion. But I question very much if there can be Toowoomba and the surrounding district pay ,mything accomplished on that side of thE House about £8,000 a year in fire insurance pre­ with the present constitution of the Government miums. About £4,000 has been the average following. Mr. Philp laid it down in this House annual payment for lo,ses by fire d':'ring the some years ago that he could not hold office with last ten or twelve years; so that dnnng every a majority of two, anrl he resigned. And I year of that period we have been £4,000 poorer. claim that it is not a fait· thing, that it is not a That £4,000 would be kept in our own hands if wise thing, for a Government that i~ unable to we had State fire insumnce. I cannr1t see the prs, as that they cannot pass any legislation. is the case at the present time. If we had State The SlWHE'l'AHY FOR PunLIC LAKDS : \Vbat is life and accident insurance and Eltatefi re insurance, the alternative? all the money paid in premiums would be kept in the State, and theGovermnent would have the use Mr. REDWOOD: You will find out the of that money, knowing that they couid pay it a! tern a ti ve later on. at any time it might be demam!ed. 'l'hey could The SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC LAKIJS ; A general use the money in the same way as the Govern­ election'? ment use the money in Germrtny. In Xew Zea­ Mr. REDWOOD: It is immaterial to mem­ land State insurance has been an unqualified bers on this side whether we have a general success. elPction or not. If we do have a general election, The SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC LAXDS ; They 1 think some members on the other side of the have just raised their rates. House will wear a very white look. Mr. HARD ACRE : \V e will say goodbye to some Mr. RED\VOOD: It is no use hon. members saying that the system has not been a success in of them. New Zealand. Representatives of companies Mr. REDvVOOD : The Premier says he does have w~itten reports trying to condemn it., but not worry at all ttbout our little party. But, as they have not succeeded in doing so, and they a matter of fact, the Government have been have had to come down to the Government rates. worrying about it for the last two or three months. They have been going all through An HoxoURABf,E J\IEi\IBER : There have been Southern Queensland telling the people what a a good many fires there. frightful catastrophe is going to happen to Mr. REDWOOD: There are always more Queensland if they allow this great Government fires in time;,; of devression than when things are to fall. Uan hon. members opposite, with the fiourbbing. I do not know why it should be so, exception of the Secretary for Public Lands and but such is the fact. But I was quoting statistics the Secretary for Public Instruction, claim that with regard to Toowoomba and district. I have they have ha! more business ex1wrience than the shown that we are about £4,000 poorer every majority of the members of the Independent year under the present system of fire inwrance. Opposition? Those two gentlemen have had a If we had State insurance, that money would be lot of business experience, but the others on that kept in the State, and we shonld have the use of side have· had no more experience than members it. I, for one, cert.·inly object to the principle on this side of the House have had, and perhaps of giving away thousands and tens of thous~nds not as much. The Premier got up in this House of poundt:'i to foreign inRurance companies when and tried to ridicule me as being incapable, and we might keep that money in the State. We said it was ridiculous that I should think for have been trying to start a little fire insnranc>o one moment of aspiring to the Premiership. company in Toowoomba in connection with the The hon. gentleman threw off a very slighting co-operative C•.>rnpany, and I believe it could be remark about the action of the party to which I made a huge success on the co-operative system, have the honour to belong, the Independent under which bonuses would be paid to the people Opposition. He threw off very insulting re­ who insured with the company. That is the marks about gentlemen on this side of the principle upon which we are working in seeking to Hr>nse, particularly about myself, anrl said I establish an insurance company in connection with had been kicked out of the party, that I had the \Vorkers' Cnmpensation Act. There should practic:tlly had my leg pulled-very becoming ,certainly be State insurance side by side with that language for the Premier to use-that I was [Mr. Redwood. Address in Reply. [6 JULY.] Address in Reply. 77 being made use of, and that the party treated Mr. REDWOOD: Now, I have endeavoured me with contempt, or words to that effect. I this afternoon in various ways to prove and to am not giving the exact words. I hav8 got try ancl explain the reason why I am where I am them marked here. These are the words that to.day. I gave absolute loyalty to Mr. Kidston the Premier used- -or to the Premier-I cannot get that out of my Bc-'Sidcs, the par·ty oYer there would not have the hon. mind. member-they fired him out. (Loud laughter.) Though J'.lr. D. Hu:\TE!l: You have got Kidston on the hon. member does not know it, they were onlJ' pulling his leg. If he bad haQ a little more sense he the brain. would have known that. Imagine, JUr. Speaker, sume Mr. REDWOOD: I think I have. I think of those gentlemen who sit behind him mal\:ing the he has got me too. He seemed to trouble about senior member for Toowoomba Premier and sitting back the senior member for Toowoomba the other them~olves. (Laughter.) night. I can assure you, Sir, that the senior The SECllETARY FOR PUBLIC LANDS : Y on were member sleeps quite peacefully-(langhter)-and aspiring to the Premiership, weren't you? is not at all worried with what the Premier says Mr. REDWOOD: I want to make this about that. I can assure you that for all the statement. I moved in cancus that the Hon. claptrap or the consenative tr2.sh that is hurled J ames Blair be leader of our party. I think it against me I care nothing-(langhter)-simply was Mr. Airey who seconded it; I am not quite because I am playing an honourable part. I sure. (Laughter.) I do say this, that the challenge any member on that side to say that I party were absolutely Joy:<] to me-every one of ever deviated in any particubr from the policy them. (Government laughter.) I said at the which I have advocated for the last four yeare. caucus, and I have no hesitation in "~ying it I have been ridiculed, and yet I w:ts not put off now, that the present leader of the Independent that policy; I have believed in it en this day, Opposition is the right man for the position ; he and l fought for it from the first day I ever took is undoubtedly one of the most brilliant intellects up politics seriously up to the present moment. in this House, haH proved himself so, and he I have fought for what I believe to be right in was the mainstay of the Premier while he was a the interests of ttre State, and I claim that I :Minister with him. However, I am very have in a certain deg-ree helped to bring about pleased ; it was my action and m:1 wish that the some reforms which will be of immense tenefit senior member for Ipswich should be le>tder to Queensland in the future, To hear the Pre­ of the party. I am proud that he is, and I mier talk the other night--to think a man could intend to give him absolute loyalty, bec1use I have the audacity to get up there-the thought have always believed in him, and I hope I always ran through my mind at the time, what a cun­ will. I say that the ex·Attorney-Generc•l was ning old hypocrite. (Ob, oh! and laughter.) I not tre:tted fairly by Mr. Kidston and his col­ beg your pardon, Sir, I intended to say a cunning leagues. old genth;man. The SPEAKER : Order, order ! The SPEAKER: Order! I must tell the hon. Mr. REDWOOD : The Premier and his member that a remark of that kind is out of colleagues did not treat the ex-Attorney-General place in a parliamentary ac.sernbly. honourably, and I told the Premiet' to his face Mr. REDWOOD: I meo,nt to say old gentle­ what I thought of him at that time as soon as I man. met him in the House, and I repeat those words. The SPEAKER : I must tell the hon. mem­ I say the ex-Attorney-General was treated very ber that even language of that kind is not the badly indeed-then' was no principle or honour parliamentary way in which one member should about what was done-and when the Premier refer to another. (Hear, hear !) was accused in this House he was unable to justify himself. He could not say no-he said Mr. REDWOOD : I will withdraw that, Mr. there wa,g an implied promise, or something to Speaker. The hon. gentleman last Thursday Lhat effect. practically claimed that he was the main cause of the whole of the progressive work being Mr. CowAP: The judgeship again! accomplished. You know perfectly well, Sir, Mr. RED\VOOD : There is one thing-you that the men on this side of the House are far will never get the judgeship. (Laughter.) The more responsible for that legislati'm than ever ex-Attorney-General has proved that he has a 'Nilliam Kidston was. lot of pluck in him since that time, and I think The SPEAKER: Order ! he will prove it more to the country as each day rolb by. The party to which I have the honour Mr. REDWOOD: Than the Premier was. I to belong are united, solid, o,nd progressive, and have no hesitation in saying that the Premier in determined to follow this bo,ttle through. his heart to-day never regretted anything so The SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC LA:(DS : Give us much as he does his action in not being candid a chance of a division. (Laughter.) with his party. If he had come to us and told us the abs<>lute truth, there would have been no Mr. RED\VOOD : I think there is a very more chance of tbe action being taken which nervous wrt of feeling- on the other side of the was taken than there is of me jumping up into House. I feel satisfied from the look of mem­ the Press gallery. bers that they are very anxious. (Government Tvir. CoT'rELL: \Vhat was the truth? laughter.) They know perfectly well that they have very little chance of getting a dissolutiqn, Mr. REDWOOD: You know perfectly well. but they knoi'V something more. Mr. COT'l'ELI,: No, I don't. Mr. Br, \IR: They don't want a dissolution. Mr. REDWOOD: The hon. member knows Mr. REDWOOD: They know there is only perfectly well, althongh I know his action waa one way to save a dis,olution, and they want to honourable at that particular period. I say we think that over very carefully. (Government are to blame for the cours3 we took. I am not laughter.) There is only one w:ty; they know afraid of any action I took; I make mistakes. it is dangerous for me to explain that particular Mr. GRANT: Oh, oh ! way, for I am perfectly satisfied in my mind Mr. RED\VOOD : I do not ask for any inter­ that hon. gentlemen on either side of the House jections from the junior member for Rockhamp­ are qnite as cJnversant with the facts as I am. ton. Mr. KlmR : Send \Villiam home. An OPPOSITION ME}!BER: He is like a phono­ The SPEAKER: Order! graph. Mr. Redwood.] 78 Address in Repl,y. [ASSEMBLY.] Address ·in Reply.

Mr. REDWOOD: YPs; he has been like a nation to exist as exists in the United Kingdom phonograph to-day. I do not wish to say that I at the present time with regard to immigration. do not make mistakes-if I do, I am prepared to He sent "'good exhibit, but the Government have admit them-but I do object to people having gone no further. Perhaps it is because he has the presumption to incessantly claim that they not had the neces."ary training. That may account are always right, that they have never deviated for it. (Laughter.) He may lack that necessity from a policy, when at the present time they are to be a progree,ive and satisfactory Premier. absolutely acting the part of the hypocrite, and However, the leader of the Government at the that is what I believe the Premier is doing to-day. present time is in a very weak state. I think he GovEHNMEN'r MEMBERS: Order, order ! is suffering from an attack of nerves. 'When I saw his face when that vote was taken the other Mr. RED\YOOD: I have endeavoured this day, I had a feeling of sorrow and regret. evening to show to this House, and through this (Laughter.) The Premier accused me of wanting House to the cnuntry, the position revenge. Let me assure him that I have not one [7 p.m.] which I intend to take up. T have atom of ill-will against him in my heart-not one endeavourc·d to explain to the House atom. "\Vhe,tever I have to say about him I will the reason why I am not following the present say to his face, but I have no revenge against him. Government. I have felt honestly that I did not I would have liked the Premier to have been believe in the present Government, and feeling absolutely candid with me, and I would have that, I have determined to take the step I have had the same confidence iu him as in the past if in entering the Opposition. I maintain that in he had been. In conclusion, I will say that I the firilt place the Premier was not honest with have endeavoured to show clearly the reason us, and did not tell us the true position of why I have taken an active opposition against affairs. I do not deny for one moment that I the Premier. I do not believe he was honest to followed him, believing in him implicitly. I me, and I told him so. I do not believe it is followed him because I thought he was telling honest to Queensland thttt he should stay iu us what he honestly believed would be an power, because he is unable to cury any legisla­ advantage to Queensland, ttnd when hf: refused tion. And even if any legislation is pa:;sed, it to go on I still had confidence in him. He will become a dead letter on the statute-book of told us emphatically that he would not go Queensland. It is our duty as meml.Jers to make on with the support of the Labour party. He this House progressive, and to make the country told ua that he intended to place this matter progress, and to do that it 1s our duty to have a before the Philp 11arty, and if we would not Government in power that will have the confi­ agree to it he would choose some other n1eans. dence of the pe0ple, and that will be a power in I am satisfied that with the statf• of parties this House, and make Queensland, as she ought at present we have arrived at a state of poli­ to be, the most progressive State in the Com­ tical stagnation, and I do not see what good monwealth. can come out of it or what remedy there can be OPPOSITION liiE1!BERf<: Hear, hear! and Go­ unless there is a change of Government, or unless vernment lau(ihter. an election takes place, or some event occurs and Mr. MACKIKTOSH (Cam~ooya): Mr. a new p;trty is formed that will have the confi­ Speaker,-I wish to congratulate you upon the dence of this House. It will be evident that this position which you have attained to in this House, House has arrived at a ' 11EsiBERS : Hear, hear ! mine, Sir ,Joshua Peter Bell, occupying the same Mr. REDWOOD: The Premier has not gvt position which l1is father held. (Hear, hear!) the confidence of the majority of members of I regret at the same time that therE' was anyuecc3· this House, nor do I believe he has got the confi­ sity for it. I am sure that you will till the position dence of his own party. I re(:(ret very much with credit to the House, with honour to your­ that I had to take the step which I did takP, but self, and with great benefit to the House. (Hear, it was necessary to myself and to the constit­ hear!) I rise this evening to say a few words on uency I represent, to whom I pledged myself the amendment moved on the Addre·'S iu Reply. that I should do so. I was loyal to the Premier I intend to vote against the want of confidence up to the time I told him, and now I come under amendment, and I wish to say a few things to my new leader. show why I do so. ·whatever I may say I do not The PREii!IER: Did you tell him? intend to be derogatory or personal to any person in this House. The members of the Mr. REDWOOD: Yes, I told the leader of Labour party and their honourable leader my party. The leadPr of the party to which I are all friends of mine, and so long as I have the honour to belong has not been treated have the honour to hold a place in this House I fairly by the Premier, in fact, he was treated trust I will uphold that friendship, and if I say very unfairly and very unjustly, as if ever a man anything hard to anybody it will be from a poli­ owed a debt of gratitude to another the present tical point of view. Of course, I understand Premier owed it to the ex-Attorney-General. I thoroughly the stand which the mover of the only want to give a small enmmary of my re­ amendment takes. The policy of the Govern­ marks to-night. I have endeavoured to show ment has bEen defined, and he cannot support that I want the administration of the depart­ that. He believes in the nationalising of every­ ments accelerated. I want some new ideas in­ thing that relate, to production, distribution and troduced as regards immigration. I want the exchange, and he also wants a land tax. Now, administration to become keener and more alive these are matters which I for one, and which the than it has been in the past. The eame applies constituency that returnedme, cannot support. to the Agricultural Department. I do not say They cannoo see that there is any sense in it, that those two departments have not done good or that it will be any credit to any party or work. But I want them to do better work, to the country at all. and I want them to be run as active and pro­ gressive concerns. Again, referring to the Mr. Mt:LLAX : They did on a former occasion. Chief Secretary's Department, I do not believe Mr. MACKINTOSH: As to the subsection in the principle of this immigration system. I of that party to which the l"st speaker belongs, think it can be greatly improved ou. I do not I can't define what policy they intend to follow. believe the Premier grasps the situation as he The hon. member for Toowoomba is an old ought to do, or he would not allow such a stag- friend of mine, and I hope he will continue so. [Mr. Redwood. Address in Reply. [6 JULY.] Address ~n Reply. 79

I give him credit for having any amount of sense. never had better men. I have known men who He is a good neighbour, aud generous to a fault, did not know bow to harness a horse or follow a but since he has taken to practical politics he plough become successful farmers after they had has become rather erratic. (Laughter.) It is got experience. If I came to this country with something new to me to hear that he is a farmer. only a shilling in my pocket I would be an em­ Of course anyone-even the hon. member for ployer in a couple of years. There are greater Clermont-can talk about farming. The senior facili tie~ here now for making a living than there member for Toowoomba has a right to hope the were forty-seven years ago ,;,·hen I came to the farming industry will go ahead, because it has country. \Vhen I came here I walked all the made him a very profitable living. (Laughter.) way to \Varwick-I always go forward. As to All the times I have heard him express himself, the construction of railways, the bon. member publicly and privately, he was in favour of for Toowoomba has clearly stated the case. The giving the Premier a free hand, and getting House is in a state I never knew it to be in before, the support of the Labour party, and it is a and I recollect all the Parliaments we have bad in mystery to me how the subsection of the Queensland. I think it is deplorable that there is Labour party could go away from their only one of a majority-but whose fault is that? allegiance t<> the Premier they are sworn It is the fault of those who departed fr"lll this to follow. Some members went on their side. 'fhey say they wanted to keep the Kids ton knees agitating to have a coalition with the pttrty from being conservatiseu. Then why did senior member for Townsville, s,nd there is they not sh1y here and kePp the other party no doubt that until about three months ago from being numerically stronger than onr party? the hon. member for Toow<>omba impressed To show the intention of the Government to the community as a whole with the belief that enable the people to develop the resources of the he was the cause of the fusion that took place. soil, I may mention that last year the number of I mnst say it iR giving· g

comprehended what he was doing, his action than I «m threatened with a dissolution. So would be contemptible, but. I thoroughly believe much so, that I am afraid that I will have to that he did not comprehend it-that he jmt got borrow money to see me through the next elec­ a slight touch of temporary political insanity. tion if we go on at this rate. I trust something (Laughter.) That is my belief. No sane man will be done so that the peovle who compel would give utterance to the speech I have just frequent and unnecessary elections will have to read, und then leave that party without rhyme pay for them. or reason. Mr. HAMILTO~: Get rid of the present Mr. MAX:>' : Whut did you say at Charters Premier. Towers? Mr. MACKIXTOSH: Make me Premier? Mr. MACKINTOSH: I CJuite believe that (Loud laughter.) There is no office in the this will be a sort of political crisis. I am ex­ Cabinet of Queensland but what I consider my­ pressing my own op1nion on matters that took self c 1p:1ble of filling-everything from the place in the Parliaments of this great State during Premier's seat trne matters of reason that I have nothing to reply to in the S)Jeech detail; but it appears to me that when they of my hon. friend who last spoke; but I trust compared notes and so forth, there was no that he and the others who have been lel astray difference whatever-that they were both pro­ by somebody-I do not know by whom-will gressive parties wishing to settle peorJe on the not allow themselv<•s to te influenced by im­ land and give them freeholds, and the other proper motives. Envy, hatred, and ill-will are party wished to nationalise everything and give bad traits in any individual or collection of freeholds to no one. That 18 the principle of the individuals, and are not calculated to advance party opposite-to nationalbe everything-all the interests of the country. I arn here to-night means of production, distribution, and exchange. to support this Government. I believe that Anyone who has been producing anything, he nt from the head to the tail-if there is any tail­ least will appreciate a freehold. If a man has a they are competent men. Of course, I m:>y be freehold he will improve it. It does not matter told that there is no representative of the Dar­ how long you lease it-if it is for 1,000 years­ ling Downs in the Ministry. But what signifies you ha,·e that lease conditional-you will have that to me? \Vhat does it matter to me whether to comply with certain conditions, and the there are any Darling Downs memb~rs !n the moment those conditions are not fulfilled or com­ Ministry if they do justice to the Darling plied with, you ceuse to have possession of that Downs? If I find that any department is lea•ehold, and therefore you have no intere"t to not doing justice to the Darling Dowm or make itH[Jrovem"nts. In the time of drought to the country I shall express my opinion about the cattle die, the ground does not produce a;ly­ it, whether I belong to the Government party .or thing-yon get tired, and you do not care to not. \V e are now getting land thrown open as make any irnproven1ents. But in the case of a fast as surveyors can get it ready for selection, freehold, ycu coneider that at some time or other and we are getting as many in1migrants as we can I shall produce sufficient from it in order to pay absorb until more rail ways are constructed to up and get my title deeds from the financial in­ open up the land. \Vhen more railways are con­ stitution or elsewhere. On a leasehold yon will structed more land will be available, and we can get ver:- little money advanced by a financial settle more people. \V hen the people come here institution, because it is only held under certain there will le better tillage and better breeds of conditione, and it is a very dangerous thing to cattle, because, as they will have small areas the ad\ance money on a secnrity of that dP,cription. settlers wrll breed a higher class of cattle. I do I trust that those Lon. members will see the not understand exactly how hon. members oppo­ error of their ways, a.nd repent, and come back site intend to go on wrth pl'Jgressive legislation and do penitence. I have a great regard and by obstructing this Government, and giving respect for the hon. members for Barcoo and them only a majority of one. If there is to be Brisbane South. I give them credit because an appeal to the country, then I shall be quite they did not believe in the combination of the prepared to go before my constituents, as I two parties, and they do not believe in it now; can honestly say that I enjoy electioneering but when they do believe in it, I am sure they tours better than any other part of my duties will stick to it loyally. I am under a great as a member of this House. I have frh·nds obligation to them both. Dnring the last twelve who drive me about the country with pleasure. months I had a trip with them in the North. Even if they do not support me, they show me :1dr. KEOGH: \Vho paid fur it? hospitality, and provide me with a free horse from one place to another, and make the work J\!Ir. MACKINTOSH : I suppose the bleeding quite a pleasure. I should have been glad if the taxpaper. (Laughter.) I trust it will not be hon. member for Drayton and Toowoomba had long before we have another one. I am an old something for me to refute or reply to, but he colonist that has gone through a great many practically advanced nothing that called for hardships. l'VIy career in Australia has been a reply, except, perhapr;, one thing in connection little bit chequered, but still I am here, and it is with the meeting recently held by the Premier not much difficulty I have in getting here. and the senior member for Townsville at Too­ Although I am pulled on many sides, the great woomba. That was the most magnificent elec­ difficulty will be in stopping in this House. tion meeting I have ever attended in Toowoomba. There is no security here. No sooner am I here There was something said about a special lot of 1909-G Mr. MackintoBh.] 82 Add1·ess in Repl_y. [ASSEMBLY.] Add1·ess in Repl;ij. policemen having been sent to that meeting to enjoyed with him last year. I remember that preserve order. There were half a dozen we paid a visit to Charters Towers, and the personG who were either sent there or bad ban. member for Cambooya made a very banded themselves together for the purpo"e of interesting and humorous speech at that place. annoying the meeting by keeping up a babble The hon. member told the people of Charters all the time, but as far as I saw there was Towers that he took on that trip with the no larger body o[ police present than is usual express intention of finding out how Ministers at ouch meetings. I asked Mr. Inspector ran things. He said he had already learnt all Gerraghty whether there was any truth in the about their trick~ down in Brisbane, and the report that policemen had be·en brought from way in which they carried on when they were other places to attend that meeting, and he said down here, but he was anxious to see how there was not a word of truth in it, that he had they carried on when they travelled, so that he not brought in a single policeman for that pur­ would know how to fill the position when the pose, and that there were onlv two members of opportunity came. I think we can say the the force present throughout the wh0le meeting. opportunity has come, but the hon. member There was fully that number at the mee'ing- held has not been able to grasp it. The hon. mem­ by the hon. member for Drayton and Toowoomba. ber on that occasion was rather prophetic. I Of course, it was thos; people who had represen­ remember he told the p8.)ple of Charters tation without taxation who caused the annoy­ Towers also this: He said. " The curse of ance at the Premier's meeting. r.rhe honest Queensland ha,s been Townsville, and the people who were paying taxes but were not re­ second curse has been Rockhampton," and presented had little or nothing to say. It is an he said, " If these two towns coaleccc, then it extraordinary thing that in th1s gr~at cuuntry IS "God help Queensland." (Laughter.) there are only some 2·13 per cent. of the popula­ \Yell, those towns have coakl}licy it shall ha\·e n1y sur·l)rwt, I Fferc is the statonwnt- warned the hon .. member fol' Drayt m and T o­ wonrnba that thB was a casP of the cat 8,Dd the glnve, but he. has not tn.ken 1ny warning. For 1ny part, I w11l R'~lJP')rt J~·rogret3si\'e, den1ncr.1tic, liberal mrclsnres. :\Iy matt·> will alway' be to gang iorward in the right direction. l shali not ~RY any rrwre to-nlgbt, lJut \Vill give other DJ8111- b:rs an opportunity of expressir~~ their views on this ma.tL:r, so that we n1av go to a di\'ision as quickly a' pos·oible. \Yha.t does tbat n1f:r of changes in :\Yr. ~UHEY: In connection with these l,Iini~trv, a.nd there baYe aJso b£ ~n a in the l\~inistry I alluded th.~ other day of ~hanc;es in the electorates. Two · looked pocket fact the lJ.,te }j o1ne Sec_,_·e~ary had to ... Ye the \_:inistrs on account [8 p.m.J of his democratic opinions. I clo not want to dwell on that p

day that the Ministry was becoming steadily capacity as a member or as a Minister in thi>!> conservatised. I do not think tbat tbe pre­ House ever displayed a large share of that sence of the hon. member for Kennedy in the charity that he now claims for himself? Jl.1inistry at the present time is any oontradic. Mr. KENNA: He is all self. tion of that. I know that the hon. member for Kennedy has many good qualities, but for Mr. AIREY: We all remember his denun­ all that, I recognise in him one of the greatest ciation of the hon. member for Townsville, conservativ,es in this House. and we all remember his denunciation of the hon. member for Oxley, Mr. Denham, when The SECRETARY FOR MINES: That is not so. he first proposed the coalition. And five Mr. AIREY: Mr. Jach{)ll is eminently well minutes after he spoke about charity being sutted for the position which he at present extended to himself, I heard him use such occupies. words as " spite " and " corruption " about his critics. And I also remember him saying, The SPEAKER: Order. order! some years ago, when he was criticising cer­ tain members, that he would like to kick them ~f~. AIREY: Evidently the Philp party are across to the other side of the House. gammg m the Cabmet. It is quite right, as Mr. BOWMAN: Hear, hear! I was one of the hon. member for Toowoomba said that them. they should do so. I hope they will co~tinue to do so, and I hope they will demand their Mr. AIREY: He does not say that now. pound of flesh to the full. They number He has a different feeling now for those who twenty-four against some thirteen or fourteen sit behind him, and whom he referred to the other night as the "dress circle." (Laughter.) of the other:c, and they have a perfect right to I turn to his speech in H ansard, and I see more represenbtion in the Cabinet. he says:- Mr. KENNA: They are too modest. The denunciation of the very sensible and public­ Sllirited action taken in October last springs from ~1r. AIREY: As the hon. member for chagrin here, spleen there, and disappointed hopes Bowen states, they are too modest-they are further over. altogether too modest. I draw the attention Mr. GRANT: A very fair definition. of the democrats over there to the fact that some dozen of their own comrades have left Mr. AIREY: When Mr. Denham said-­ them. To-morrow it ic. quite possible that The SPEAKER: Order! you may lose half a dozen more. (Government laughter.) No one knows' what will happen Mr. AIREY: When the hon. member for on the day after to-morrow. The papers arc Oxley took the sensible and public-spirited hinting that even the leader will be departing action, which he did some eighteen montlis ago very ehortly. (Opposition laughter.) What in advising that _a coalition should take place, then will happen? lt reminds me of the old before an electwn--(hear, hear !)-what did the denunciations of the Premier spring from? Jacobite song-- Was it from " spleen, malice, dicappointed Poor ,John wa.., a ca11tain bold, hopes," or what did it spring from? Tn battle fierce delighting; He fled full soon on the first of June, Mr. KENNA: £1,000 a year. But he bade hi-s men lmep fighting. Mr. AIREY: The proposal of the hon. \Yhen I heard the Premier ;aying on Thurs­ member for Oxley to bring about a coalition day night that they were going to keep fight­ before an election he denounced as treachery.. ing, the old song kept running through my . Mr. CoYNE: He said it "as demoralis-ing head, and I said, " f-Ie, bade his men keep m the extreme. fighting." Look at the attitud< or two corrections, in the statements Mr. AIREY: The other night we heard a made by the Premier. They are--one with great deal from the Premier about the per­ regard to the hon. member for Ipswich, and sonal abuse of himself, and he pleaded time another with regard to myself. He said that and again for charity. I must draw the atten. Mr. Blair was the most eloquent advocate of tion of the House to this: that of all the things that have been said I have yet to learn that the coalition and I was the most eloquent anything has been said from this side of the ?Pponent of it. He charged us with sitting House of a damaging- nature to the Premier's m confidential confab on the back seat. The private character. That kind of thing has fact that we were sitting in confab is quite taken place in this House, but I am pfeased true. I have sat in confab with quite a to say that it did not take place from this number of people. side of the House. Has the Premier, in his Mr. JENKINSON: Why not? [Mr. A.irey. .Address in Reply. [6 JuLY.] .Add1·ess in Reply. 85

Mr. AIREY : The assertion that the hon. fourteen months, the expenses of the House member for Ipswich was the most eloquent during that time being something like £40,000. advocate of the coalition is scarcely correct. And though that amount of money has been spent for the purpose of keeping Parliament, T'he TREASuRER: He never denied it. we have not been allowed to discuss the Esti­ i\lr. AIREY: The first advocate of the mates. The net result is that people outside =aliiiDn wa.s the hDn. member for Oxley. are asking what is the use of having a State Mr. KENNA: He has been consistent in it. Parliament at all. (Hear, hear!) It has been hurled at the Labour party and at myself that 1\Ir. AIREY: The Premier s11id I was the we are in favour of unification-which is not most eloquent opponent of the coalition. No. true; but is there any stronger justification That honour only belongs to the Premier him­ for unification than the fact that Parliament self. (Hear, hear!) Shall I get H ansard and has been in recess fourteen months and has read those charming diatribes which he made sat only five weeks? As I said before, there against any such coalition, and in which t.he have been one or two appointments made hon. member for Oxley was anathematised for dnring the recess which, in my estim'lir. Ewart is an admirable man. I think LABOUR ME~rBERS: Hear, hear! he wa.s the best man we ever had as head of Mr. AIREY: I can speak from personal ex­ the department. (Hea.r, hear!) I said the perience of those men's claims. Their claims Secretary for Pnblic Instruction wanted an have been overlooked. \Vhy? For some adviser, and it was urged that he must be mysterious reason-for some strange prejudice an J\1.L.A.~-(Iaughter)-I mean an 1\I.A. that existed in the mind of the late Secretary A GOVERNME]';T MEMBER : That is the for Public Instmction. trouble. Hon. R. PHILP: \Vere you not in the Mr. AIREY: The Minister alleged that the Cabinet when the position was advertisBd? Grammar Schools Act AmPndment Act of Mr. AIREY: No. 1900 required that the, gentleman who was to Mr. KEJm: They WE're not game to bring i; inspect those schools should be an 1\i.A. That up then. (Opposition laughter.) statement is quite incorrect. That Act does not specify any such thing. It simply says Mr. AIREY: There is another matter in that the inspector of grammar schools shall connection with this that I might mention. be a graduate. Another reason the Minister The late Director. Mr. Ewart, was retired be­ gave was that, if a University was established, cause he was well over the age of sixty-five­ the department would not be represented on r think he was seventy years of age. The the council. Now, does anyone me.an to tell Minister who retired him was not a young me that nobody but an j\l.A. could represent man himself. He was advanced in years. the department? The third reason was that That is no reproach. We all hope to be that the heads of the departments in the other way some day. But the singular thing is this States were also l\11\I.A. Well, even if that -that this gentleman who has been retired is were true. what magic is thBl'e in thB letters a man who, in spite of his years, was a capab!e " M.A. ''? vVhy, we have had two men at the man, and, instead of putting a young man m h<"acl of the Eduoation Department-and I his place, they put a man there who, I under­ do not wish to speak unkindly of Bither of stand, will ha.-e to retire in five or six years. them-:\lr. AndBrson and Mr. Ewart. Tl1e The SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC INSTRUCTION: formBr was an 1\I.A. and the latter had no I think you are wrong. degree, and as far as aclministrative qualifi­ Mr. AIREY: I can produce some proof of cations were concerned, l\lr. Ewart vvas im­ what I am saying. In the department there measurably superior to ::\Ir. Anderson. were mBn like Mr. Shirley and l\lr. Kennedy­ OPPOSITION ::\IE:UBERS: Hear, hear! both capable men-and somehow their claims have been ov.erlooked. Now, here is a pecu­ ::\Ir. .URE.Y: There is no virtue in thB liar thing: When i\Ir. Platt, tllB late seni?r thing. Take the degree of :\LA. at Oxford. inspect{>l', died, no appointment was made. m As you voursdf know, Sir, a man gets the his place; and I have no hesitation in saymg degrBe of M.A. at Oxford simply by passing that the reason was that a certain Minister the B.A. degree, and then paying certain fees did not want to give Mr. Shirley the position and attending cBrtain lecturBs. \Vhat virtue of senior inspector--- is there in the mere titlB of 1\I.A.? Why should a B.A. or a bachelor of •'ciencB be OPPOSITION l\IE)iBERS: Hear, hear! tabooed? This position has always bBen Mr. AIREY: Ber,ause, if he got that posi­ looked upon as the blue ribbon of the depart­ tion of sonioritv, he would then have been mBnt. TeaohBrs ha;e regarded it as thB mar­ next in the running for the position of Direc­ shal's baton that every tea.cher carried in his tor. A fortnight ago I took up the Brisbane knapsack. The first qualification should not Courier and found that since the directorship be an acquaintanoe with higher mathematics has bee'n filled by the appointment of Mr. Roe or the Odes of Horace, or anything of that the claims of Mr. Shirle-v to the senior inspec­ kind. It should be an intima.cy with the torship have been recog;Jised. It is one of ~he details of the department and a knowledge of most pitiful things I evE'r saw in my hfe. the teachBrs ovBr whom he was placed. Teachers have spoken to me in the streets OPPOSITION MEMBERS: Hear, hear! about this thing-not one, but dozens-and I can assure you, Sir, that the one feehng Mr. AIREY: I ask any unpr•cjudiced man throughout the department is that a piece of what knowledge of that kind has the gentle­ gross injustice has been perpetrated. man who has just been appointed? The SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC LANDS: A good Mr. ALLEX: Absolutely none. thing for the State, though. Mr. AIREY: He has absolutel.v none. He Mr. AIREY: If the hon. gentleman ran his must rely upon th<> men whom he has dis­ own business on those lines: it would not be placed to supply him with thB requisite infor­ the successful business it is to-day. He ap­ mation to enal>le him to run the department. points a specialist-a man who knows all the I would not mind if the department had had details of his business, and not a man who has no men qualifiBd for the position, but the passed all his life in a sphere which w':'s quite department has several mBn. different to the sphere in which he ~1shes to \ll:r. ALLEN: Dozens. place him. There is as much difference [M-r . .Airey. Address in Reply. [6 J ULY.J Address in Reply. 87 between the work of a teacher in a Grammar unfortunately, certain ddects, and until those school and th0 work of a State school teacher matters are put right it is a very hard matter as there is between chalk and cheese. There is for th€ police to carry out th€ir duty as they abs:Jlutely no comparison between them. I should do. It goes without saying that you now come to another question. I notice in ca.nnot have democratic rule and ha,·e public· the Opening Speech there is an allue.ion to a house rule at th€ same time. I was reading Licensing Act, and that reminds me that we the other day an articl€ by \Vinston haYe now two professed temperance men in Churchill, and h€· told how two Governm€nts the :Yiinistry. It is a singular thing that, were defeated by the influenoo of thH licensed when a temperance man or a teetotaller gets victuallers, and the third mHt very pearly into the Ministry, he is never put into the the same fate·. I hope we a.re not gomg to Home Department. €ncourage that kind of thing here. I hope, The Hmm SFCRETARY: You were there while we are able to do it, we will deal with yourself. thP matter, and not allow that influencH to get ~Ir. AIREY: I am not a teetotaller. I was '0 powerful that by and by WH shall want never eYen what you would call a temperance a r€volution to upset it. Let m€ say this: man. I m uo t sa v that I admire the tact of the A df'putation waited on th€· Premier the other Premier. He pleases the temperance people day with regard to this v€ry qU(l'stion, and by putting temperance men into the Ministry, there was one mait('r raised particularly by and then he pleases the licensed victuallers the deputation, which I think is worthy of by seeing that they never go near the Home the attention of everybody who is in ea.rn':''t Department. (Laughter.) Our Licensing Act on this question. 'l'he question was this: has a great many faults, and yet it is an Act That thel'f' should be no diff€rentiation in the under which a great deal of good work can value of the vote of the advocate of hotels b(• clone if it is properly administered. We or of the man who was an opponent of hotels. know that for some years the police were not L€t them both hav€ precisely th€ same valu€ encouraged to do their duty. and the result -no differentiation, &s there is in New Zea· was that hot€ls ran riot. For some time the land. No sa.Ying that forty votes on one side police "·er€ €ncouragcd to do th€ir duty, and are a.s good, as fifty-five vot<>s on th€ oth€r. th€re was a very great difference. It. is now \Vhile I am sp€aking on that matter, l€t a.lleged by the temperance peopl€ that laxity me say this: In respect to our Loca.l Option i.s again getting- in. Act, I am glad to say there is no differentia· Mr. MANN: Especially in Rockhampton. tion in (~ueensland, and I sinc€r€ly trust that this House will s€c that in th€ Bill, whm1 it ~Ir. AIREY: I know of on€ or two towns com€s along-if it does come along-that the where the law with r€gard to Sunday trading principle of differentiation is ne;er. rec.og­ is V€ry laxly and carelessly administered. That nised. This is a big qu€sti~n, and It IS _gomg is particula.rly so in Townsville, and there to be a much bigger qu€shon. I say It has are som€ of the smaller towns where the be€n shirked time and again, and it is going same holds tru0. It appPars to me as if there to be the higg€st question yet in this country. is a steady drift going on back to the old It i1s mockery placing it on the Government conditi<>n of things. I think a great deal programme y€ar aft€r year. wit~1 absolutely depends upon th€ €ncourag·em<>nt given by no intention of doing anythmg m that pr:r· the Minister in charge of the Home Depart­ ticular matter. \Ve all know where the 111· m€nt, and I regret to have to m€ntion that fiu€nC€ of the Licensed Victualkrs' A '·Socia· when that temperance deputation visited the tion is to-day. \Ve ·know whom that powerful Minister some months ago th€y mentioned body is supporting, and I know that wh€n the a pa.rbcular case. If they made any mis· m€asure comes b€fore this House-I know stat<>m€nts, I hope th€ pr€sent Home Seer€· pmfectly w€ll what will happen in the ranks tary will put the €xact facts bdore the House. of the Goyernment. They mentioned a particular caSB, in connec­ The 'l"REASURER : \V€ look to you for assist­ tion with the Hamilton Hotel, and that ca··.e was ance. qua.shed-not on the advic€ of the Department C\1r. AIREY: The hon. p:entleman will g€t of Justice--as we all know the J usbce De­ my assistanoo. He n€ed not bo afraid of that. partm.··nt has to pronounce on the chances of (Hear, h€ar !) I sa:y at once _there is no. prin­ getting a conviction, and all th€ Home De­ ciple so vital as th1s; there IS no question so partment has to do is to act on their advice­ heart·s€arching to members t;f this H~use; it was quashed on the responsibility of the and th€re is no question that w1ll so eff€cti V€ly hon. g€ntleman then in charge of the Home De. br€ak up certain parties in this Hous€. It partm€nt. I do not want to indulge in any will hav€ an effect on every party. str€nuous cond<:'mna.tion of that vet. because I want to know if the facts are a-;, stated. It The SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC LANDS' ltl is not may be there wa.s something in that particular a party question-it affects everybody. case that justified the Minister. :\Ir. AIREY: Y€s, it affects everybody; but [8.30 p.m.] It is very hard for me to b€lieve it aff€cts some parti€s a great deal more than it, b€cause I was for over three others; very much mor.e. years in that d€partm

vital question. I say the sooner that is done South Wales had just tried to float a £3,000,000 the beUer. One thing I think the Minister loan and had been successful in only 70 per and the Government deserves commendation cent: of it. This is what the London Financial for: that i,q, for prohibiting licenses within ...:.T eu:s says- 5 miles of railway construction works. Xew South \Vales has worn out its \Ydcome on the HONOURABLE l11EMBERS: Hear, hear! loan market. This fiasco should teach New South Mr. HAMILTON: But they do not stop the '\Vales an unforgettable lesson. sale of drink there? If that was true of a laan 70 per cent. af which Mr. AIRE,Y: I was just going to say, if the was taken up, it must be a sad loan af which Government stopped the sale of drink there, 84 per cent. was taken up by the underwnters. well and good; but I very much doullt There is another point I would like to refer whether they have. I have had experience on ta in cannection with this. Some three .or railway lines where there are not many hotels, faur years ago I heard the present Premwr and I know what it means. Sly-grog shanti<:·s talk about the near approach of the ye~r were rampant all over the place, and unless 1915, when same £14,000,0{)0 of loan money 1s the Government at the same time send round falling due, and we have to go slow an account an excise officer, then the regulations will not af the appraach af tha.t year. Thac polwy, I be worth a snap of the fingers. In the Go· think, i:" a sound one. \Vhat is the case now? vernor's Speech, I note there ic, an allusion It appears to me the closer we get to the year to the fact that there are some fifteen railwavs 1915 the more careless we get about these building-. and that some fifteen railways are promised, including amongst others, as men­ matters. It is one af those e:draordmary m­ versions of opinion which stagger th~ best tioned by the Premier the other day, a trans. friends af the Premier af late. I ;v1sh. to continental railwa.y to connect the ·western speak now concerning a ma;tter of v1tal 1m· lines. I should like to know how long the portance ta all of us-that lf·. the matter af £2,000,000 loa.n is going to last at this ra.te. our financial relations with the Fec!Na.l Par­ Mr. HARDACRJo: : It is all gone already. liament. This is o, mast vital questian, and ane which we cmmot afford to neglect. The Mr. AIREY: As was pointed out the othm· first axiarn we can lay clown in counechan day, this means going on the loan market with anv scheme propounded for acceptance next year in order to carry out this extra· bv the Federal Parliament is that it should ordinary development. Four or five years ago be one that bath parties can ac·cept-one that the Premier was content to spend £250,000 of has some elements of usefulness a.bout it. If laan money in one year. Either his policy at there is samething in it ·of such a nature that that time was very mnch mistaken, ar naw his one or the other party cannot accept 1t, t~cn policy is to be very much condemned. I sa v the framer af it is guilty of political foahsh· ane of those two policies is very mnch wrong. ness. The first thing '"e have to cons1der 1s, We know Ycrv well the hon. member far whethe1· the scheme possesses the. elements af Townsville has' always advocated a generous soundness, or, in the plain American phrase, expenditure of loan money--as much as "will it Pee"? '\Ye have had about eight con­ £1,500.000 in one year; the Premier was very ferences, and what da they mea'.'? To a. great careful in regard to this matter four or five extent they simply mea.n magmficent pwmc•,. years ago, and only spent £500,000 per annum There has been Yery little, serious business done for some four years---and this simnl:v indicates there. Of course·, while the States had plenty to me that the hon. m<>mber for Townsville is of mon·'Y that did not matter very much. In running the policy of this Government. the early days, if the Customs and Exmse Hon. R. PHILP: Y au spent £1,000,000 yaur­ revenue ran to £8,000,000 or £9,000,000, every­ solf. body said that was magnificent. \Vhen it came to £10,000,000 ar £11,000,{)00, some of the l\fr. AIREY: The hon. member again makes States cauld nat hale! themselves. But we are a mi·,take. There was £1,000,000 spent dur­ naw earning close to dang<'raus times. Though ing the last year I was 'rreasurer, although I one canference after another has been hold, was only Treasurer for a little over half a year. the Premiers could not agr.ee upon anything. There was £1',000,00(1 spent that year, but if They were magnificent as critics; they could the hon. member goes into the matter he will slate and criticise tho praposals of the Federal find that something like half of that amount Trea.surer in magnificent style, but somehaw was surplus pnt into loan-a very, v·ery they did not appear to be able to pr?pound different matter indeed. anv definite practicable scheme of th81r own. Hon. R. PHILP: Revenue paid into loan As" far as destructive criticism was cancerned, maney? they were simply magnificent. I remember that Sir Geono:e Turner made some proposals. j\1r. AIREY: That is so. The surpluses are HB was cau;teous and painstaking. Then paid into capital accounL The hon. member came Sir John Forrest. a man who, I believe, must know that. It was stated the othE'r clay was sincere in his dBsire to give the State> a in the Governor's Speech that onr loan af fair dea.!. Then came Sir \Villiam Lyne, and, £2,000,000 had been very successfully floated. whatever his faults may bB, therB was the I do not know what they mean by 'uccessful basis af a goml ,scheme in his proposals. But flotation. When a ship goes ont af a h'!rbonr since that time the aspect of Federal finance she is insured. If, nfter she goes out she is has cha.nged altogether. The Federal Pa;rlia­ wrecked, the people do not say when they go ment has now tak<>n aver old-age penswns, to the insurance company for the money, and, in additian to that, defence expenclih1re "\Vhat a successful va:;age it was." is to go ahead to the extent of somethmg hke An HoNOL:RABLE MEMBER: Perhaps some· £1,000,000 per annum. The surplus we used times it is. (Laughter.) to get wa., £800,000 ar £90(),00{) oyer and above the three-fourths, and that is now being re­ Mr. AIREY: Yes; but when a loan is taken tained bv the Commonwealth. It 1s qmte up to the extent of 84 per cent. by the under­ clear th-;,t the ane-fourth which hitherto writers, it makes one say, "If this is a success· sufficed for the needs of the Federal Parlia· ful loan, what is an unsuccessful one?" The ment will not suffice in the futnre. That was ather clay I took up the T,ondon Financial admitted bv onr own Premier at the last News, and I saw it stated there that New Hobart Conference. The Federal Parliament [Mr. Airey. Address in Repl,y. [6 JULY.] Address in Repl,y. 89

'has received certain powers with regard to to note that the hon. member for l\loreton the finance under the Constitution after 1910. other night, in dealing with this question, 'Then they can alter the pnesent arrangement. took only one year, the year 1908, when we Whether we like it or dislike it, whether received nearly £9,000,000. I do not take one we approve of it or disapprove of it, whether year. I take four years. In those four years we think it is wise or unwise, there is the we received at the rate of about £8,004,000 per fact that the Commonwealth has the power annum. In the year just concluded we re· to dispose of that revenue just as it chooses. ceived about £7,939,000. Now, what i'l the And yet, owing to the foolishness of the State Premier of Queensland and the other Pre· l:'remicrs and Treasurers, no arrangement has miers asking for? They v.ant. £6,750,000 been arrived at; no practical proposition has down, and then they want the Comm

we had only realised 84 per cent. of onr loan. The Commonwealth do not make themselves This is what the Premier said-- arbiters at all; the thing has been a.!ready llroad;y speaking, the proposal of the Cf)nference was done for them by the Constitution. This is to give the Commonwealth about 50 per cent. more of the kind of stuff that the Premier ladles out the. Customs and ~xci~e revenue than formerly . . . in the daily Pr,css for the edification of th& wlnle the t-~tates, mstead of receiving £~.000,000 as esti­ mated for this year, or £~.750,000 as actually received last people who do not study the question. Then :rear, \Vould get as their share in 1911 only £6,i50,0C,O. he winds up by telling everybody that he The most prejudiced anti-:::..tate man could hardlY look regards the proposals as extremely satisfactory at these figures and honestly say that the Coutf.rcnce -proposal,, that there i-s not the r, twelve months, the chances are the other way. " The ~tates will get as their share in 1911 T'hore is an enormous deyeloprnent going- on only £6, 750,000" -saying absolutely nothing in Australian manufactures, and the chances of the fact that the Federal Pa.rliament is are that, instead of our Federal revenue in­ taking over £1,750,000 of our liabilities, which crea.sing for a y-ear or two, it is rroing to put them into the position of virtually re­ decre_ase. Supposing we had £11,000,000 at turning to us £8,500,0()0. Why, last year, the time the hon. member speaks about, and 1908-9, we did not get £8,000,000-we got we deduct the cost of collection, we £7,930,000--and all the indications a.re that, shall find that even this three-fourths under in place of a big rise in our Customs revenue, the Braddon blot will only be· about £8,000,()00. there will be a decrease. La.st y0ar I said that and this scheme demands between 8~ and Si on the Financial Statement, and the Premier millions. challe.nged me. I find this year the States The TREASURER : Those fio:ur.es were ac­ have received £929,000 less than they received cepted as correct by everybody in the con­ last year. I want the House to notice also ference. this: that in making this statement I have :\Ir. AIREY: The le,ss you say about the made no allowance for this year. Und-er the conference the beU,er. The statement that scheme of the Treaourers at Hobart, the whole the Federal Parliament will gain by this is cost of collection is now thrown on the Fede­ absolutely incorrect. I want to draw parti­ ral Government. The statement made that cular attention to it for this reason: The other the Stat.es would actually get only £6 750.000 day the Premier wrote a letter to Premier under this scheme is quite incorrect. The Wade, in New South Wales, in which he statement that the Commonwealth would be stated, " \Ve have signally failed to do our £1,500,000' better off, also made by the Pre­ duty in matters of defence." The statement mier, is incorrect. 'l'he real truth ·is that the is absolutely true; we have failed to do our Commonwealth will probably be a.t ]ea,t duty. Why? Simply because the service·s of £500,000 worse nff than it is at the present the Commonwealth have been starved-not time. I ca.n quite respect the desire of the only defence, but post and telegraphs, a.nd State Premiers to get as much money as they other services, but defence worst of all; and can from the Federal Treasure.r. \Ve can if this scheme formulated at. Bobart bv the quite understand that, even if we had not Prcmierg be adopted, I can only say that 'there the proof of it; but I think is a fair thing will be no improvement in defence-practically it there will be no defence at a:!!, because there when a proposal is made that the gentleman will not. be money for it. The Queensland who proposed it should come before the Press condemned the Federal members for not public and state honestly what it really means. providing for sufficient defence, and the There was another 1statement made, which Que,ensland Premier condemned them for the I found in the same issue of the Daily Jfail same reason. As soon as the Federal Parlia­ and the Cou1·ier, namely- ment attempted to prnvide an <:>fficient svstem Apart from that altogether, it was manifestly unfair of defence by putting on a land tax they" were for the 'Federal Parliament to appoint thPm~elves sole condemned for doing- that. ~rbiters in a matter in which they were so vitally 1ntere~ted. The TRK\SURER: \Yhy should not they take \-Vas ever a more astounding statement tnade? some of the responsibility 1 The Federal Parliament do not appoint them­ Mr. AIREY: I am glad my friend is coming se! ves to be sole arbiters. up to it. He wants the Federal Parlia.ment to The .TREASURER: They will be sole arbiters put on a land tax-to go in for direct taxation after 1910. -so that he will not have to go in for it him­ self. Mr. AIREY: The statement w>ts that the Federal Parliament appointed themselves sole OPPOSITION MEMBERS: Hear, hear ! arbiters. Mr. AIREY: Then there is another The THEASURER: Until Parliament otherl'lise ph.vse of this qu<:stion, and a. much more im­ provide<. portant phase. The most serious difficulty, and the most serious absurdity, Mr. A1REY: That is the Constitution--the [9 p.m.] in the whole thing is this: It is hon. gentleman does not seem to know the Con­ gen~'rally admitted that the most stitution. Here it is-clause 87- important 'Federal function is the regulation During a period of ten .rears after the establiE.hment of the tariff, yet the State Premiers want to oft he Commonwealth, and thereafter until the Parlia­ assume thi• function for themselves. The ment mherwise provides- Federal Parliament can do exactly what they The TREASUI\ER : Parliament provides. like with the tariff. They can raise it 100 per Mr. AIREY: Certainly; but it is not Parlia­ cent., or they can lower it down to zero if ment who make themselves arl iters-it is in the they wish. But if this proposal of thP State Constitution which was fixed by ourselves when Premiers to give £8,500,000 to the States be we accepted feileration- accepted, then they are bound down to the of the net revenue of the Commonwealth from duties of present tariff as a minimum. Suppose :\Ir. Customs and of Excis.e, not more than one-fourth shall be Cook or 1\Ir. Reid were tn come along and applied annually by the Commonwealth towards its say, "\Ve want freetrade.'' \Veil, they could expenditure. not have fr.eetrade; because under a free trade [Mr . .A.irey. Address in Repl_y [6 JuLY.] AddTess in Reply. 91 tariff they could not possibly provide Premier is making proposals which will drive £8,500,000 per annum to LB rrs, with the Queens­ the hon, gentleman fighting· the Federal land Premier leading them, demand that Labour party or any other party, but when he they be allowed to regulate the Federal do<>s S•) he should give the real reason for it. tariff for the Commonwealth. The other day This crv of State rights wa•, about the most I took up the Sydney .1Iorniug Herald, which ridiculous thing that was ever put before a as everybody knows has been a great advo­ guileless public, and I will show the House cate of the Dreadnought scheme, and I find why. His contention was that unde~· Mr. a passage which states that if the, British Fisher's proposals the States were gomg to navy were defeated in war there would be lose £3,000,000, through old-age pensions, a cessation of imports into the Common­ defence and. post and telegraph expenditure. wealth; it would mean a stoppage of Cmtoms T'herel~re, he said, ~\lr. Fisher is going ~o revenue, so that the Commonwealth would tal- able to pay its way. It is admitted Queensland will lose £300,000 or £~00,000 and that the Commonwealth Government would we will havt> to put ls. on to the mcome tax have no revenue owing to a naYal disa,ter, to make it up. Admitting that i' true, why and yet they would have to pay over does he fight the Labour party. oyer th1s? £8,500,000 to the States. In case of defeat Deakin is coming along and he will spend ~& they would not have one brass farthing in much as Fisher and. perhaps more. He IS the Treasury of Australia, and yet they would committed to tha.t £3,000,000 just _as clear)y have to fork out that £8,500,000 to the Stat€s. as Fisher was, and into the Largam Deakm Under a freetrad€ Government the tariff might has promised to send to the old country a. be reduced, yet, at the same time, the Federal Dreadnought which will cost £2,000,000 more. Government would be pledged to provide this The TREASURER: \V e would be paying the money for the State,s. That proposition of interest. the State Premiers is condemned on every Mr. AIRE Y : We would not only be paying principle of sound finance, and condemned on the interest, but we have a uew rival in the every principle of common sense. There is borrowing market----the Commc~mwealth, . an.d not the remotest chance of the Federal Par­ this is not good for our credit.. Deakm IS liament being able, to accept it, and no one going to put Queensland worse m the _soup knows that better than the State Premiers by far-some £2,000,000 wars!? than ;Fisher­ themselves. ever did. So, how the Premier IS gomg. to Mr. HARDACRE: 'l'hey tried eight times and show how he can save Queensland by fightmg failed every time. the Labour party I do not know. Deakin has J\Ir. AIREY: If we are going- to get back got to go on the' defence linc:;s of expenditure £7,0{)0,000, £6,750,000, or £8,500,000, with the iust as rapidly or more rapidly than Fisher add1t10n of the old-age pension, then the did, so that when the Premier says ~hat the States are saying to the Federal Parliament, Labour party is a danger to State rights he "You must keep up a high tariff." The State is either saying something contrary to fact, or Premiers complain that the defence is ineffi­ else he is betraying a considerable amount of cient, and yet when the Federal Parliament nogativo knowledge. The real fact of. the propounds a scheme, the scheme asked for by matter is this: We all know that there IS a the Stat\l Premiers will leave them with abso­ great scheme to get the vested interes~s party lutely no funds for defence. In the last finan­ back into power in the Federal Parhamen~, cial statement the Government were clamour­ and the Queensland Premier is going to do his ing for financial independence, and under this best to help. Now I come to tl_Jat part of the scheme they are asking for financial depen­ Premier's speech the otlwr mght where he quoted my rema~·ks of last_ year as to the esti­ ence-in swcula sccculorum-right to the end mated increase m the railway estimates not of time. What is the use of opposing the being justified. It is true I said there was Federal Parliament'., advocacy of unification unjustifiable inflation; but there wa_s no err~r when we have suggestions made in our midst on my part with regard to the railway esti­ which will bring about unification very mates. I took the opinion of the experts of rapidly. Our Premier himself went down the department; I thought the safe and honest South and approved of the Commonwealth thing to do was to take their opinion. And' I taking over old-age pensions. That is one had 'another reason--an excellent reason-for­ function they haYe taken over. Now he comes taking their estimate. I knew, on the best along with a proposal which implies that the authority, that the railway estimates pre­ Federal Parliament must put on a land tax, viously had to be boomed up over and above if those proposals are accepted, and that means !he estimates of the dt>partment, and the that we cannot put on a land tax ourselves. rpsult was that the revenue for that year was ~Ir. LESINA: Oh, yes, we can. The Federal £77.000 below the estimat<>. Parliament has an exemption of £5,000, but The SECRE'rARY FOR PuBLIC LANDS: Whcr we can tax with an exemption of £300. wa.s responsible for that? J\Ir, AIREY: That FPderal land tax of Mr. AIREY: The Treasurer of that day wai'> £5,000 will not last long. It will be found responsible. That is a striking commentar-y on that after the first year or two nothing will be the booming-up business. My point is _that I obtained from it, and the exemption will be did the honest thing in taking the Estimates reducsd. I an1 pointing out that our own of the department--the estimates of experts. Mr . .Airey.] 92 Add1·ess in Rep(y. [ASSEMBLY.] Address in Repl:!J·

The TREASum:R: So did I~I took Mr. ~but I am pointing out the fact that there is Thallon 's estimate. a steady growth of expenditure out of all proportion to revenue. It would be well for Mr. AIREY : But the Premier throws it up gentlemen on the Treasury benches not to di>­ at me as if it was a hasty and ill-considered claim their responsibilities. Expenditure is estimate on my part, whe;r I simplv took. the continually increasing and there is no hand estimates of the officers of the department. at the Treasury strong enough to stop the The SECRETARY FOR PrBLIC LANDS: Were drift. In spite of the booming revenue caused you his colleague at the time? by the fifteen railways, we are steadily lapsing, Mr. AIREY: I knew nothing about it. I will and I am afraid a deficit is not far ahead. tell the hon. member privately, and I feel sure The TREASL:RER: You said we were certain I shall be able to satisfy him. I said the to have one this year. estimates :were unreliable, especially in regard to expenchture. Is not that true? Is it not J\Ir. AIREY: I hope the hon. member will £170,000 over the e:timate? Another predic­ be a little more orderlv. \Vhatever I said last tion I made was th1s: " The truth is that if year was based on figures given by experts, by any chance there is a surplus this year, the and not on my own figure'S, and therefore I Treasurer w1ll have to thank the Common­ was backing the hon. gentleman's own ex­ wealth collections." That is the absolute fact. perts. The hon. gentleman may thank the The hon. gentleman has a surplus of £9,940. Federal Treasurer for the position in which hR finds himself to-day~he cannot thank any­ The TREASURER: You predicted a deficit of thing he himself has done for that position. £75,000. Two years ago we had a surplus of £396,000. lllr. AIREY: To-day the Commonwealth In 1907-8 we had a surplus nominally of revenue is £81,000 over the estimate, so if it £115,000, but really of £240,000. This year had not been for the rise in the Common­ \\ e ar<> down to a surplus of £9,900. Before the w.ealth revenue the hon. gentleman would expiration of the Braddon Blot. and after five have been £70,000 to the bad. If anyone most prosperous years~under the regime of turns to the Financial Statement he will find a Premier who made his financial reputation that it anticipated a drop of £95 000 in the by describing the hon. member for Townsville Federal collections. I believe th~re was a as fhmncially incompetent~we are drifting page devoted to lamentations concerning the stead1ly towards disaster, and the revenue is cond1hon of the Federal reY€nue · but instead not a normal revenue. It has been boomed of a drop of £S5_.000 we have act{Jally £54.000 by fifteen railways. The statement that those more than the year befOTe. I wonder \vhat railway' are being pushed ahead for the sake the hon. member for TownsYille would haye of developing the country is not correct. said in his distressful years if the Common­ There is another object~that it is to swell the wealth Government had r.eturned him £5•1,000 revenue, to escape a deficit, and to dodge taxation. The Premier told us at several n:ore than he expected. The most serious meetings there would be a shortage of some s1de of the question is that in 1906-7 our £300,000 if Mr. Fisher's proposals were carried revenue 111e1·eased two a.nd a-half times as out. There will be the same deficiency fast i>S our _expenditure; the next year, 1901-8. whether Mr. Fisher, Mr. Cook. or Mr. Deakin the expend1ture 111Crtased twice as fast as the 1s in power. And what preparations are being revenue; and this year the expenditure has made to ~void that deficiency? T'he only pre­ gone ~P tw10e as fast as the revenue. This is paratwn 1s to steadily boom expenditure. a senous que•stion. Looking at the annual 1ns1do of two years this House will ha;-e the returns of last year we find £383,000 increased choice, on the one hand, of putting on land expenditure But that does not represent the and income taxation; or, on "the other hand, :ea! pos1hon. As the Treasurer pointed out of cuthng down the public service and of m thf' Press, the actual expenditure for 1907- wholf•sale sales of land. \Yithin two' or three 8 was £125,0()0 le's than stated in the Treasury years one of those two choices will be in­ :figur~s. r\nnual returns show increase in ex­ evitable, and with the present pa.rty in power penditure, @383,207; actual bond fide expendi­ I know. which alternative will be adopted. I ture for 190t-8 was £125,000 less than shown in spoke JUst now about the floating of these the Trea•,ury _figure.s, as £125,000 which should loans, and _the increa.sing difficulty year after h~v? gone mto . .surplus was paid towards year that IS apparent not only in Queens­ w1pmg out certam old accounts~which were land, but also in New South Wales an.d I a standing debit against the Trcasurv~ believe in Victoria~certainly in Ne.,; South £!2,).000; actual increas-e in expenditure, \Vales~and there is no husbanding of our £;,08,000; :surpluses, 1906-7, £396,000: 1007- loan money, such as the Premier himself aavo­ 8 (really),. £240,000_; 1908-9, £9,940. There­ Cdted three or four years ago. Instead of foro, thD 111creaoo 111 the exponditur<> is not gettmg ready for the year 1915, when we shall ~he _£383,000 shown in the annual returns; have to meet renewals to the extent of 1t 1s £38~.000 plus £125,000; in other £14,0p0,000, we are pursuing what I can only words, the mcr.oase in the expenditure over cl8scnbe as a boom policy; and, when that the precedin'( year is £508.000. There has pohcy slumps, there will be thousands of men been. a good increase. in revenue, but the fact thrown on the labour market; and of course remams that. rtecl the indepencl<>nt the acsistance of the thrice-condemned Labour democratic party he was elected to support." party. Last session the hon. gentleman told Is not that as just as the other stat0mcnt, and us that he had to get down to the two-party possibly a little mere so. If there is one system. \V ell he got down to two parties,_ and thing that strikes me as being humorous in what was the result? Absolutely notlung was the extreme, it has been the attitude of the done. And this session political annihilation Premier going all m·cr the State shrieking· and chaos are sLaring the hon. gentleman in out from forty platforms, "Bribery, bribery, the face. He talks about licensing reform. bribery!" and then talking all night in his \Ve know perfectly well there is no intention sleep probably of " DiS'olution, dissolution, of any such reform. Licensing reforms would dissolution!" (Laughter.) He told us the split up his party like a ho_use of cards. He other night-he ha·· told the country far and talks about a Trades Disputes Bill. and the wide-that certain men were betraying him hon, member for Ro"ewood goes abroad and for bribes. It is infinitely amusing to says, "It is all right, he is going to drop those who know the hon. gentleman's that.". (Opposition laughter.) Where is the history. In 1903 he helped to form a coali· hon. gentleman financially? Anybody can soe tion, and he hooked certain gentlemen-so it he is on the high road to dimster. It may bt­ was ·,aiel by those who ,,·ere at lea.st as chari. staved off for another year, but disaster is table as himself-by the offer of portfolios­ ahead, unless action is taken to avert it. The I do not say bribes. It was a legitimate thing, hon. gentleman has only got one card left, and I supp0s-e, in parliamenta.ry v. arfare to do. that is the huge expenditure of loan money. But where ''as it different from what he says Here is an extract that I cut out is being done now? In 1908 a coalition was L9.30 p.m.] of the Daily Mail or the Courier formed by the same incluc-ements-I do one day with regard to some not get into a righteous indignation about opinions expressed by the Premier on the it-I merely mention tho fact-and because question of Australian defence, and it is such certain members did not approve of it a conspicuous example of the want of genuine· the hon. gentleman has gone all over the ness in putting- his views before the public country shrieking- out ahout bribes. During that I propose eta read it. In a letter to Mr. the reocs,, the hon. gentleman ha.s been clancling Speakershipsc ancl portfolios in Wade, the Queensland Premier said this- va.rious directions, and now he fills the skies ! hold the opinion that the right of self-government entailb the duty of self-defence, r-..nd that Australia with denunciations of other people. The should face that duty in a way she has failed to do other nig-ht he told an audience at Charters hitherto, not in a spasmodical, then.trical manner. but by Towers, in justification of the coalition, "\Ye deliberately undertaking the burdeu of her own delence. must ~-et oyer our prejudices." That was by way o£ apologising for the coalition. But, Notice this now- w?en the present SecretaTy for Public Lands Knowillg how greatly Australia has hitherto failed in this first duty to herself and the Empire. t':1ed ~ g-et over the hon. gentleman's preju­ dices m the same way early in the cear 19{)7, '\Vith these sentirnc·nts I, fur one, cordially he branded the hon. gentleman a's a traitor. agree. But these sentiments were uttered by the Tho SECRETARY FOR PUBLIC LANDS: No. Pr0mier, who, in company with the other Premiers, has put down a proposition that will Mr. AIREY: The Premier has been tttlking absolutely prevent the Commonwealth Govern­ all over the place about the unselfishness and ment spending one adclitional farthing on the patriotism of the Philp partv. It is quite clefence. '\Vhat hypocrisy to cant abuut Aus­ possible that they may be ~mselfish and tralia having failed in ber dnty to the Empire patriotic; but we all know that men clo not and at the some time by clown a propositinn that grow unselfish and patriotic all in a night. will abwlutely pr~vent any expenditure in this If they aro unselfish and patriotic to-clay, direction. The Premier goes on- posSibly they were unselfish and patriotic four I have little sympath~" with those who. under the or fi':e yr·ctrs ago, when the hon. gentleman was stress of a Eudden scnrc, wjsL to make it appear as if abusmg them all over the country and calling they were generously 1 ushing to help the mother them corrupt, incompetent. reckless, and a country in her honr of need. \fe might rnake some dozen other things. \Vhat a sweet morsel i' efL.rt to be just before we claim to be ge11erous. must be for the senior mcl1.lJ;Jer for Townsville I am not one of those wbo believe that the to go round to these meetings with the Australian Government has failed in its dntv in Premier, parade him before democratic audi­ the hour of need, and then to see the Anstn1lian ences, get. conservative platforms for him, and Government loadecl with such conditions that then to hear the Premier trll the people, the Comrnonwertlth will have practically no "This gentleman, whom I used to call a black defence at all. In the face of this utterance­ bogey, and say he was the ruin of the country, an utterance that is absolutely condemnatory of why he is not a bad fellow at all. He is an the Dreadnought proposal, became the Premier unselfish and patriotic citizen." All I c&n say speaks of being "just before we are generous," is that it is no wonder audiences laugh: a.nd which means we should defend cur own coast if the hon. member for Townsville did not before we attempt to defend the Empire in the laugh, he must have had very good control of North Sea-I say that statement is absolutely his countenance. We heard the other night condemnatory of the Dreadnought proposal. Mr. Airey.] 94 Address in Irepl_y. [ASSEMBLY.] Address in Repl,y.

\Vhat do we find takes phce? Alfred Deakin hampton-they are following the hon. member comes into power, and the ~2ueendand Premier for Oxley in the Cabinet, and they are following tells him to "gang forward." A day or so after­ the hon. member for Townsville outside the wards ::Yir. DJakin takeR the advice and "gangs Cabinet, and the institutions they represent. for~ard" to the tune of £2,000,000, as a present 'fhnse hon. members are not the real leaders. to the old country. Let me repeat this-it is \Vhy, the Rockbampton programme-this much a matter so all-import:tnt that it is worth re· talked about Rockbampton prog-ramme-is only peating. \Vhen the Premier was in Cnarters a stalking-horse. Tower", he wanted to justify his pDsition, and he OPPO~ITION ME:IIBERS : Hear, hear ! bases his posit.ion on these grounds: That Mr. Mr. AIHEY: I have heard the Premier him· Fisher's proposal meant taking away from the self tell time after time how the liberali«m was States a sum of £3,000,000. If those were good broken, and grunnd, and crushed, under the grounds for opposing Mr. Fisher, they are Griffith-}[cllwraith coalition, and now the same admirable grounds for opposing .Mr. Deakin. If thing is g-oing on here. The other clay I picked it is right to oppose .Mr. FishPr because he wants up the J1Ielbow·ne Aye and I found an account £3,000,000, then JYh. Deakin, who wants that there of the speech made by 1Ir. McKinnon who £3,000,000 and another £2,000,000 for Dread­ was leader of the Liberals. It said- noughts-that is all the more reason for more strenuously opposing him than 1Ir. Fisher who There was a Slnrdy note in 3Ir. }lcKinnon's .Ara.rat speech. A~ one who has just had some years of life in does not bel:eve in a Dreadnought at all. a coalition Government he says he deeply di~likes coali­ The hon. gentloman in speaking the other night tions.. When J1r . .:\IcKinnon 1n~s a member oi the Bent talked about the conditions of the coalition, and he Coalition Government he ·\Yas always hoping that the talked about the same thing at Charter. Towers. libentl c!en1ent might as-sert itself. But the time uever But there was one thing he did not mention, came.. Tb -\ Premier of that day used to amuse himself anJ his colleagues by talking from the platform about and that w..ts, his own party was absolutely a day when a liberal land policy '''ould Oe initiated. assured before they combined with the other But the liberal land policy never came. Mr. 11cKinnon party that there was to be absolutely no coali­ used to urge, in Cabinet and out or it, that there must tion-that puty-a section of it at all e\·ents­ be some departure in the direction of a graduated land were absolutely opposed to a coalition. The tax, of honest valuation. and of compulsory pnrcha~c. BnL neither the graduated lanll tax nor the honest vulua­ Premier gives as a justification for the coalition tion nor the compubory purchase ever came. The nf the parties tlmt they are pledged to the Bent coalition never frnctitied in a liberal direction. Rockhamp~on programme. I am sick of bearing And now :\lr. :neK1nnonlets us sec how disgusted he was about the Rockhampton programme. I will 'vitll the part lw was made to play. He s:aw hmv the give the answer he made tu the Philp party in conservative seetion of the Cabil1et always got its own 1008. They biked about their programme, way, in spite of all the l'Lheral promiseE<, and he pre­ which wa' as good as his. They are much the dicts it will be the same with tile ).Jn ray coalition. same. The Premier replied- The SECRETAI\Y FOR PuBLIC LA;,vs: That I am not c0ncernfl abont your programme. 1Ve does not apply to this Government at all. have a bigger question to settle. \Vhat right have you Mr. AIREY: Of cou"'e not. (Opposition there at all P laughter.) I say the experience of Mr. 1\IcKin­ Mr. HARDACRE: Hear, hear! That is the non will be the experience of this Government. question. It is eminently applicable. The other day I 1\fr. AIREY: That is the question we have to read the speech the Premier made at Charters settle. It was the clear intention of the people Tower,, and I wa"· highly amused at the '"tate­ to 1mt in a Governrnent that should at least ment he made there th 1t his Referendum Act fortifv the democratic sections of this House. had completely destr.,yed the power of the That" intention-a perfectly c))e""r and di,tinct Upper H,u,e for all time. In lllY opinion the intention-\:'" n•rllified by the PrEmier. He is 1Jpper House i:-c pretty p(lwerful to-day, althnugh in power to-clay by the g-race of the conservative that Biil was pas.· I remember prophe"ying the pre­ all Rupr~·or t.er.' {lf the Prtnlit>r. Some of tbem, I dotnin::mce of the Oonservativef.l in a very short believe, l1ave joined the flanple's Pn1gres,,ive tiine. I_Jeague, and are ,g-oiug forwa1·.l RO fa:-~t th.A.t U1ey The 8ECHET,\l:Y FOR PCBLIO LA;,fJR : A will scoa be ahe".d of the Prernier himself. fals' prophe•" Then, thP hon. gfmtlerr1au ftuther sv.id at 1\:Ir. A.lHEY: Then=' is no 1nistuke about Chartcr'3 To,ver.-:, in just;fic.tti -)n of the coali~ being a false prophet.. That pr1Jphec.: i..: being tion~ Jt "'\Yas clE:ll' tl1at fnrther \YOlk \Yith tho Ija.bour fttlfilled t•;-Oay. TIH-~ ye-,r Le fore l~~t-, under that bad lJecomc impos:sil:-lo at the en cl of tllc session wick:. cl thrPe-1- trty ~y-;tetn, tber,-· was a cr)nsider- anwunt of dem,;CTRtic 1~gi~Jatinn lJrt~serl. He , a feel lint he h \rl yt-ar there >.v:-;s noue. Thu Prrmier pa.;;,-,ed frmn theu1 in regard to time in threatening ~1 dissolut.iun~in chc~g- and hi': rail'--uypniicy, :.·1ng in the Rnd in his spare tirne he .F'edentl finance. C~ uld <-~ny lllOre was talking a dis~olntion. _,_\_nyone c:~n incorrect s<-:1t· ment than , n lll!J..tter of see tlw.t th~:re are ahJGt two C•lnReryu..tive8 fur fact, the Premier himr~!~Jf trit-:d to fortn a ~ d::'mo~ e\ ery dPmocr.:.. nt the pre:··:mt tirne. The Cr)::l.lifiqn bef\1re ho h~Hl :-t :-:in~1e tlifferenc-, ,., :th crats are s~eadi!y drifting off, but the conserv:l­ the L[l.bonr hnmigrati\lD, raihva.ys, tive::; rern~iu solid. The hr>n. rnerubrr for or l<'ecler~l is tlmt bm I ToO'.long, the hon. rn1Jn1ber for \VouJloongabba, find on readin~..,. a along this and the h!)n, n1eJnh-- r for ~Fitzr~)y~they \V ill soon lovely . r ech that be-8hall I c:·q buffeted by the wild waves of ll(hl' clone mntlling 11etter for Queensland toryi:cm. (L:ht that if he were pulled down is any amount of money available now for that -and this was the finest thing I heard purpose. (Government laug-hter.) ·where is the throughout the speech - he said that if he Press of Brisbane now? \V here are the com­ were pulled down, political chaos would result in bined force' of all that oppose democracy and the House. I remember that hE' used to tell the progr<·•·S? \Vhy, they are fig-hting- like tigers to people four or five years ago that there was keep the hem. member in power. They are something like cbans, especially in finance, before fighting to keep in power the hon. member who he came into the :\1inistry. So you see, there at that p \rt.icular time was denouncing them. was chaos before hnn, and there is to he chaos after him. The creation of order out of chaos is The hon. member complained that W8 will not trust the pre•-ent Government, and that we on9 of the functions of Omnipotence. If I Dppose reform legislation. If the House will not remember rightly, there is a vt>ry erninent man trust him o.nd the people will not trust him, in Europe, named Kaiser \Vilhelm, who has who educated the people into that condition of it;st the sa1!'e weakne.ss of attributi'lg to mistrust? Did not the hon. g-entleman go from lumself ommpotence that another \Villiam one end of the country to the other saying- to in another country has; and Punch on one th_e people, "Never trust those fellows; they occasion published an amusing set of satirical w1ll never pass reform legislation''? Of course verses, entitled ·• God and Me." (Laughter.) he did. And what right has he to complain It Ius remaine-d fnr the Premier of Q:1eensland now if the pAwoomba aspnm:r to the Premiership. the hon. gentlem m made the other night, ~nd a Bnt who has educated them into that? The number of other excited speeches we shall hew hon. gentleman has taught us that it does not very shortly, because the situation is very matter what sort of a Government we have difficult. I remember once reading some advice -Liberal with L·cbour, or Liberal without to Philad~lphia readers whose clothes caught Labour, or Liberal with Conservative--so long fire-esp c:":llY to ladles whose g-arments mig-ht as thAy pledge themsdves to the Rockhampton he cau,;ht m the fbmes-and the fir,;t pic~e of programme. The Hockhampton prog-ramme is ad vice was this: "LadiF<, keep cool." I note the essential thing- ; it does not matter who that now the Premier's political garments are in carries it out. If the Premier iR so broad minded fl1mes it is redly difficult for him to kc,,p cool, in that matter, why should he object to the hon. but he must try to do hi-; best. Now, turning to memhcr for Ipswich or the hem. member for 1ny olJ democtatic friends over there-I see sorne Dray ton and Toowoomha carrying out the Rock­ of them looking at me. h"mpton programme? The ~EORBTARY FOR PUBLIC LANDS: They are wondermg what has happened to you. 0PPO',ITION :'v1E1IDERS: Heu, hear! Mr. AIREY: I am honnd to sa,· that there is Mr. _'\.IREY : I will giv~ them a little warn­ a much better chancre of those g-en'tlemen c;crry­ ing. Bit h,;- bit their political principles will be ing ont thP Rnckhampton programme than there ground a v-ay; hit by bit their own comrades is of the programrue being C'arried out; by the ~vill cros~ the fii)or. _AJrea.dy fonr J\linibters party who are now snpporting the G-overnment. have ]eft that Cabinet, awl even the Prernier (Grn·ernment laughter.) The Pren•ier sws the him~el£ nHt.y g\) f\)I' :tnything \Ye hnuvv. (Go~ platfnrm is the essential thing, c.nd that it ver~1ment laughter.) At all evcn''l, that is the doef' not 1natter ,-._·hethcr a rnemb ,r Rit_, on the 1ndH-_,,twn contend d in the Bri~bane PresR Gryvernrnent bencb or on the Oppm itinn bencheF, wiohin the l·.st few clays. Of c-ml"se tb Premier tells then1 thnt it js all right: •' so long n,-; h~ c .rries out 1he Rockhampton pro~ St;~nJ grarrn11e. I-Iow rn·:,ud the hm1. gentltnwn ought we :v~ll_. pnl,~ thr~ngh ; we'll l~e a1l. ri,;l:_t to l;: to see the hem. membr·r for Ipswich or the on figot1ng-. But the Premier h1rr1se1f hon. n1t>n1ber fnr J)rayton and T\w\vonn1ba tl:e fee1ing cf the country-a~ vignrou:.;;1y aj.. work carrying out the Rockhamp· ll~ cJnct::~tls it. H' dpnbttwn-wel1, not \~·ant to be nnkind Gu; rn1ncn~ ...:, ~~at !--Onle are g-ood and ~Hm1e bad, hut hi< demo,;rllticr: putotion et present is only_:_ ano ··•me mrhlierent, but that the very worst The shade of a shado'\Y ra1d the shadow of a shalle. GovErnuJent is the Govcrnrnent \V hi eh· cannot (Laught.er.) All thie talk about di, .olution, f"J.rr:v~ out it.~ (HVn po1icy. \Vhat did this Go­ what 1.~ ~--nng to hapt-Jen \ery shortly1 hovv we verr:ment do? They su hrnitt~d a programn1e last are b.nng to the countcy-it \V1nt3 to be ertre­ sesswn, p .. ssed none of it, got into receos with the fully weighed b:i nll parties. (Hear, hectr !} The greatest celerity on record, stayed there as long Premit:r talk:-; about diFsolntion, and sn do us they c ful.d, and novv they are bending their :;ome of hie ::\Iinisters. Th. y want to appeal, so poor, decrepit necks to the stroke of necessity. they say, to the god of battles. Mr. Airey.] 96 Address tn Reply. [ASSEMBLY.] Address in Reply.

The SECRETARY FOR PCBLIC LANDS : Hear, hear! An OPPOSITION MEil!BER : They are shivering in their shoee. Mr. AIREY: I, for one, will accept that issue without hesitation. Let me say that the Gamaliel at wh, se feet the Premier has sat-Sir Thoma8 Bent, who did the same thing-be was for ever appealing to the god of battles, and the g-od of battles went against him. It is perfectly true that his party survived; but as for Thomas himself, he perished in a political bog of his own creation. 0PPOSI1'ION MEliiBERS : Hear, hear ! and laughter. Mr. AIREY: A day or two afterwards he received a letter of congratulation from the Queensland Premier. (Laughter.) As to the dissolution the Minister for Lands has just alluded to, let me remind the House that the dissolution of 1904 was forced by the Conservative party, and the Conservative party came back eighteen strong. In the dissolution of 1908, the experiment was repeated by the Conservative party, and they came back sadly reduced in numbers, and seYerely chastened, if I remember rightly; and if the present Government like to repeat the experiment, I venture to think that a similar disaster will overtake them. The TRnSVRER: They will risk all that. The SECRETARY FOR PVBLIC LANDS : You won't give us the chance. Mr. AIREY: When I heard the Premier talking the other night about what he WRti going to do-to get a dissolution and get Supply-if he could, mind-a singular commentary on his own party-I thought of what he said in 1908 when the member fnr Townsville went to the country. What did he say? That it was the last desperate throw of a gambler, and those words summarise the position now. The Premier said the other night, "If you will give us Supply, I will get a dissolution." I wottld like to know what right any man has to say that here. Mr. JENKINSON: Very derogatory to the Go· vernor. OPPOSITION MEMBERS: Hear, hear ! Mr. AIREY: Luckily for m, however, the power to get a discolution does not reside in the hands of the Premier. It resides in the hands of somebody outside this House ; in the hands of a power in which we have some little confidence that we shall get justice. It is not kept up the sleeve of the Premier. As to a, dissolution, J, for one, have no objection to take up the gage if the gage is thrown down. OPPOSITION JYIE11BERS : Hear, hear ! Mr. AIREY : \Vith regard to the resolution moved by the leader of the Opposition, I support it strongly for several reasom. In the first place, because this Government is in power in opposi· tion to the directly expreseed will of the people. I support it on account of their defective ad­ ministratic·n. Their administration cannot be good, becaw;e their financial administration is unsound. I support it because their financial administration is aboolutely unsound, and also on account of their inability to deal with Federal questions, and I think I have proved it up to the hilt this evening. OPPOSITION JYIE1IBERS : Hear, he"'r ! Mr. MITCHELL (Ma1·ybm·ough) : I beg to move the adjournment of the debate. Question put and passed. The resumption of the debate was made an Order of the Day for to-morrow. The House adjourned at three minutes to 10 o'clock. [Mr. Airey.